Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Robert Lauriston]

MadCap Flare can open FrameMaker files. The PDF output might require
some tweaking. Get a 30-day free trial and see.

Same story for RoboHelp.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 6:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
>
> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> installed on their network.
>
> Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
> 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> paradigm?
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[john . x . posada]

No no No no No no

INSTANT termination.   

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:54 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

I expect that'd be a very bad idea. He works for a bank.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:49 PM Jeff Coatsworth < 
jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com> wrote:

> I'm presuming taking a copy of the FM docs off site, installing FM & 
> creating MIF or PDFs or HTML (or XML for that matter) is out of the 
> question too?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of 
> john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:34 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> Lin...I'd be fine with that if you want to take the time.
>
> Right now, cost of the application is not a factor (well...you know, 
> within reason...no 250k enterprise application, but within a couple $k)...
> All I would need is a pointer to the application...I'll take it from there.
> You can use my name, but you cannot use my bank's name.
>
> Thanks
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:22 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> If you're not active on the Adobe Forums, I can ask there if anyone is 
> aware of a program that will import Frame binary and convert to a new 
> format. Do you want me to? And if so, how would you like the 
> information conveyed?
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM  wrote:
>
> > I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that 
> > kicks FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.
> >
> > What do I know. Thanks everyone
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
> > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but 
> > typically when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have 
> > FrameMaker available to export to a neutral format.
> >
> > FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate 
> > application for migration.
> >
> > ...scott
> >
> >
> > On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> > > This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that 
> > > nobody has come along and offered an application for people who 
> > > are FM users but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi, John:
> > >>
> > >> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would 
> > >> have to be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone 
> > >> home to Adobe. I use ID
> > >> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are 
> > >> acceptable on the corporate network, and which of them do folks 
> > >> on the list think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid 
> > >> having to slog through this effort going forward?
> > >>
> > >> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of 
> > >> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the 
> > >> computing environments where it's used have become serious 
> > >> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's 
> > >>> the
> > >> issue.
> > >>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to 
> > >>> make their edits.
> > >>>
> > >>> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD 
> > >>> be installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate 
> > >>> by
> > >> connecting
> > >>> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> > >>>
> > >>> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation 
> > >>> does nothing.
> > >>>
> > >>> -Original Message-
> > >>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > >>> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > >>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> > >>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
> > >>> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured 
> > >>> files
> > >>>
> > >>> Looks like my earlier respon

Re: [Framers] Fwd: Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Ragnar Hanås]

Trados S-Tagger can convert FM files to rtf with formatting tags to be used for 
translation purposes. You then import back the translated text into FM and get 
back all the formatting. I don't know if you can export it from S-Tagger into 
another program but at least you would get the text out. I'm still with FM 7.2 
doing a good job for me.
Ragnar Hanas
Sweden 

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+ragnar.hanas=betamed...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Lin Sims
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 22:57
To: Frame Users 
Subject: [Framers] Fwd: Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Forwarding this to the list, since for all I know the message I sent directly 
may have gotten caught in a spam filter.

-- Forwarded message -
From: Lin Sims 
Date: Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
To: 


How does this sound to you?

One of the participants on the Frameusers list is asking if there are any 
applications that can import a FrameMaker binary file for the purpose of 
editing it. The company is an anti-money-laundering company (AML) and doesn't 
want to have programs on its network that have to "call home" for 
authentication.


For whatever reason, they've been unable to get either his previous version of 
Frame (11) to work or to get the most recent version (2019) to work, but I am 
unclear as to why they haven't been able to.


They are no longer using Frame at his place of business, so all new work is in 
a different application. However, he still needs to be able to update old files 
and convert them into the new format.


I am unaware of any application that can import .fm files, but that doesn't 
mean they don't exist. I'm hoping someone here either knows of one or can help 
provide him with a way to get either his old or new version of Frame working 
without the need of an internet connection to authenticate it.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:34 PM  wrote:

> Lin...I'd be fine with that if you want to take the time.
>
> Right now, cost of the application is not a factor (well...you know, 
> within reason...no 250k enterprise application, but within a couple $k)...
> All I would need is a pointer to the application...I'll take it from there.
> You can use my name, but you cannot use my bank's name.
>
> Thanks
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:22 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> If you're not active on the Adobe Forums, I can ask there if anyone is 
> aware of a program that will import Frame binary and convert to a new 
> format. Do you want me to? And if so, how would you like the 
> information conveyed?
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM  wrote:
>
> > I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that 
> > kicks FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.
> >
> > What do I know. Thanks everyone
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
> > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but 
> > typically when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have 
> > FrameMaker available to export to a neutral format.
> >
> > FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate 
> > application for migration.
> >
> > ...scott
> >
> >
> > On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> > > This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that 
> > > nobody has come along and offered an application for people who 
> > > are FM users but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi, John:
> > >>
> > >> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would 
> > >> have to be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone 
> > >> home to Adobe. I use ID
> > >> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are 
> > >> acceptable on the corporate network, and which of them do folks 
> > >> on the list think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid 
> > >> having to slog through this effort going forward?
> > >>
> > >> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of 
> > >> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the 
> > >> computing environments where it's used have become serious 
> > >> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:

[Framers] Fwd: Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Lin Sims]

Forwarding this to the list, since for all I know the message I sent
directly may have gotten caught in a spam filter.

-- Forwarded message -
From: Lin Sims 
Date: Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
To: 


How does this sound to you?

One of the participants on the Frameusers list is asking if there are any
applications that can import a FrameMaker binary file for the purpose of
editing it. The company is an anti-money-laundering company (AML) and
doesn't want to have programs on its network that have to "call home" for
authentication.


For whatever reason, they've been unable to get either his previous version
of Frame (11) to work or to get the most recent version (2019) to work, but
I am unclear as to why they haven't been able to.


They are no longer using Frame at his place of business, so all new work is
in a different application. However, he still needs to be able to update
old files and convert them into the new format.


I am unaware of any application that can import .fm files, but that doesn't
mean they don't exist. I'm hoping someone here either knows of one or can
help provide him with a way to get either his old or new version of Frame
working without the need of an internet connection to authenticate it.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:34 PM  wrote:

> Lin...I'd be fine with that if you want to take the time.
>
> Right now, cost of the application is not a factor (well...you know,
> within reason...no 250k enterprise application, but within a couple $k)...
> All I would need is a pointer to the application...I'll take it from there.
> You can use my name, but you cannot use my bank's name.
>
> Thanks
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:22 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> If you're not active on the Adobe Forums, I can ask there if anyone is
> aware of a program that will import Frame binary and convert to a new
> format. Do you want me to? And if so, how would you like the information
> conveyed?
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM  wrote:
>
> > I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that
> > kicks FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.
> >
> > What do I know. Thanks everyone
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
> > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but
> > typically when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have
> > FrameMaker available to export to a neutral format.
> >
> > FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate
> > application for migration.
> >
> > ...scott
> >
> >
> > On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> > > This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that
> > > nobody has come along and offered an application for people who are
> > > FM users but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi, John:
> > >>
> > >> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have
> > >> to be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to
> > >> Adobe. I use ID
> > >> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are
> > >> acceptable on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on
> > >> the list think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having
> > >> to slog through this effort going forward?
> > >>
> > >> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of
> > >> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the
> > >> computing environments where it's used have become serious
> > >> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's
> > >>> the
> > >> issue.
> > >>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to
> > >>> make their edits.
> > >>>
> > >>> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> > >>> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> > >> connecting
> > >>> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> > >>>
> > >>> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation
> > >>> does nothing.
> > >>>
> > >>> -Original Message-
> > >>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > >>> us.hsbc@list

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Lin Sims]

I expect that'd be a very bad idea. He works for a bank.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:49 PM Jeff Coatsworth <
jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com> wrote:

> I'm presuming taking a copy of the FM docs off site, installing FM &
> creating MIF or PDFs or HTML (or XML for that matter) is out of the
> question too?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:34 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> Lin...I'd be fine with that if you want to take the time.
>
> Right now, cost of the application is not a factor (well...you know,
> within reason...no 250k enterprise application, but within a couple $k)...
> All I would need is a pointer to the application...I'll take it from there.
> You can use my name, but you cannot use my bank's name.
>
> Thanks
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:22 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> If you're not active on the Adobe Forums, I can ask there if anyone is
> aware of a program that will import Frame binary and convert to a new
> format. Do you want me to? And if so, how would you like the information
> conveyed?
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM  wrote:
>
> > I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that
> > kicks FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.
> >
> > What do I know. Thanks everyone
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
> > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but
> > typically when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have
> > FrameMaker available to export to a neutral format.
> >
> > FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate
> > application for migration.
> >
> > ...scott
> >
> >
> > On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> > > This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that
> > > nobody has come along and offered an application for people who are
> > > FM users but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi, John:
> > >>
> > >> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have
> > >> to be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to
> > >> Adobe. I use ID
> > >> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are
> > >> acceptable on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on
> > >> the list think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having
> > >> to slog through this effort going forward?
> > >>
> > >> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of
> > >> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the
> > >> computing environments where it's used have become serious
> > >> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's
> > >>> the
> > >> issue.
> > >>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to
> > >>> make their edits.
> > >>>
> > >>> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> > >>> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> > >> connecting
> > >>> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> > >>>
> > >>> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation
> > >>> does nothing.
> > >>>
> > >>> -Original Message-
> > >>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > >>> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > >>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> > >>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> > >>> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured
> > >>> files
> > >>>
> > >>> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
> > >> confusion.
> > >>> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine,
> > >>> save as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate
> > >>> network
> > >> supports,
> > >>> then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by
> > >>> a service?
> > >>>
> > >>> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on th

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Jeff Coatsworth]

I'm presuming taking a copy of the FM docs off site, installing FM & creating 
MIF or PDFs or HTML (or XML for that matter) is out of the question too?

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
 On Behalf 
Of john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:34 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Lin...I'd be fine with that if you want to take the time.

Right now, cost of the application is not a factor (well...you know, within 
reason...no 250k enterprise application, but within a couple $k)... All I would 
need is a pointer to the application...I'll take it from there. You can use my 
name, but you cannot use my bank's name.

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:22 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

If you're not active on the Adobe Forums, I can ask there if anyone is aware of 
a program that will import Frame binary and convert to a new format. Do you 
want me to? And if so, how would you like the information conveyed?

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM  wrote:

> I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that 
> kicks FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.
>
> What do I know. Thanks everyone
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but 
> typically when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have 
> FrameMaker available to export to a neutral format.
>
> FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate 
> application for migration.
>
> ...scott
>
>
> On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> > This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that 
> > nobody has come along and offered an application for people who are 
> > FM users but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi, John:
> >>
> >> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have 
> >> to be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to 
> >> Adobe. I use ID
> >> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> >>
> >> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are 
> >> acceptable on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on 
> >> the list think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having 
> >> to slog through this effort going forward?
> >>
> >> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of 
> >> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the 
> >> computing environments where it's used have become serious 
> >> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's 
> >>> the
> >> issue.
> >>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to 
> >>> make their edits.
> >>>
> >>> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be 
> >>> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> >> connecting
> >>> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> >>>
> >>> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation 
> >>> does nothing.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> >>> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> >>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> >>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
> >>> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured 
> >>> files
> >>>
> >>> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
> >> confusion.
> >>> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, 
> >>> save as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate 
> >>> network
> >> supports,
> >>> then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by 
> >>> a service?
> >>>
> >>> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate 
> >>> network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - 
> >>> MIF
> >> Filter
> >>> for Adobe InDesign 
> >>> to convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and 
> >>> abilities,
> >> the
> >>> conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and 
> >>> specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
> >>>
> >>> HTH
> >>>
> >>

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[john . x . posada]

Lin...I'd be fine with that if you want to take the time.

Right now, cost of the application is not a factor (well...you know, within 
reason...no 250k enterprise application, but within a couple $k)... All I would 
need is a pointer to the application...I'll take it from there. You can use my 
name, but you cannot use my bank's name.

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:22 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

If you're not active on the Adobe Forums, I can ask there if anyone is aware of 
a program that will import Frame binary and convert to a new format. Do you 
want me to? And if so, how would you like the information conveyed?

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM  wrote:

> I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that 
> kicks FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.
>
> What do I know. Thanks everyone
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but 
> typically when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have 
> FrameMaker available to export to a neutral format.
>
> FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate 
> application for migration.
>
> ...scott
>
>
> On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> > This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that 
> > nobody has come along and offered an application for people who are 
> > FM users but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi, John:
> >>
> >> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have 
> >> to be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to 
> >> Adobe. I use ID
> >> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> >>
> >> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are 
> >> acceptable on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on 
> >> the list think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having 
> >> to slog through this effort going forward?
> >>
> >> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of 
> >> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the 
> >> computing environments where it's used have become serious 
> >> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's 
> >>> the
> >> issue.
> >>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to 
> >>> make their edits.
> >>>
> >>> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be 
> >>> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> >> connecting
> >>> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> >>>
> >>> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation 
> >>> does nothing.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> >>> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> >>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> >>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
> >>> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured 
> >>> files
> >>>
> >>> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
> >> confusion.
> >>> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, 
> >>> save as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate 
> >>> network
> >> supports,
> >>> then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by 
> >>> a service?
> >>>
> >>> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate 
> >>> network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - 
> >>> MIF
> >> Filter
> >>> for Adobe InDesign  
> >>> to convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and 
> >>> abilities,
> >> the
> >>> conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and 
> >>> specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
> >>>
> >>> HTH
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada 
> wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like 
>  FM installed on their network.
> 
>  Are there any other applications that can be installed and open 
>  native FM
>  11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the 
>  book paradigm?
> 
>  Thanks
> 
>  --

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Lin Sims]

If you're not active on the Adobe Forums, I can ask there if anyone is
aware of a program that will import Frame binary and convert to a new
format. Do you want me to? And if so, how would you like the information
conveyed?

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM  wrote:

> I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that kicks
> FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.
>
> What do I know. Thanks everyone
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but
> typically when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have
> FrameMaker available to export to a neutral format.
>
> FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate application
> for migration.
>
> ...scott
>
>
> On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> > This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody
> > has come along and offered an application for people who are FM users
> > but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi, John:
> >>
> >> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to
> >> be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to
> >> Adobe. I use ID
> >> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> >>
> >> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable
> >> on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list
> >> think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog
> >> through this effort going forward?
> >>
> >> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of
> >> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the
> >> computing environments where it's used have become serious
> >> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the
> >> issue.
> >>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make
> >>> their edits.
> >>>
> >>> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> >>> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> >> connecting
> >>> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> >>>
> >>> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does
> >>> nothing.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> >>> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> >>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> >>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> >>> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >>>
> >>> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
> >> confusion.
> >>> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save
> >>> as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network
> >> supports,
> >>> then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a
> >>> service?
> >>>
> >>> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
> >>> network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF
> >> Filter
> >>> for Adobe InDesign  to
> >>> convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and
> >>> abilities,
> >> the
> >>> conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and
> >>> specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
> >>>
> >>> HTH
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada 
> wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like
>  FM installed on their network.
> 
>  Are there any other applications that can be installed and open
>  native FM
>  11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the
>  book paradigm?
> 
>  Thanks
> 
>  --
>  John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Lin Sims]

Excellent points, Scott and Rick. Someday I hope to be able to migrate to
XML, but that day isn't going to be soon, I think. Small company, training
time, you know the drill.

It's too bad for John that it sounds as if he's stuck between a rock and a
hard place. I wish I knew of a way to get him out of it, but if his files
are unstructured binary Frame, he's stuck. I am unaware of any program that
imports Frame that wouldn't cause him the same issues he's having now. 🙁

(Mind you, that doesn't mean there isn't one, just that I've yet to come
across it.)

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:07 PM Scott Prentice  wrote:

> Excellent point, Rick! But one clarification. Migrating from
> unstructured to structured FM does not necessarily give you XML files.
> You may just have structured FM binary files which results in the same
> problem that John is running into. However, if you do convert all the
> way to XML, and maintain your source as XML, you are free to switch
> tools at a moment's notice.
>
> Another option (someone may have mentioned this, I haven't read the
> entire thread) .. would be to export to MIF at specific points along
> your workflow. There are tools to convert from MIF to other formats.
>
> Cheers,
> ...scott
>
>
> On 2/11/19 12:50 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
> > For anyone else that may find themselves in a similar situation: this is
> an
> > advantage of migrating your unstructured FrameMaker files to structured
> > FrameMaker. Then you will have vendor-neutral XML files in case you
> decide
> > to move away from FrameMaker in the future.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers 
> On
> > Behalf Of john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:15 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that
> kicks
> > FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.
> >
> > What do I know. Thanks everyone
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers
> > [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
> > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but
> typically
> > when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have FrameMaker
> > available to export to a neutral format.
> >
> > FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate application
> > for migration.
> >
> > ...scott
> >
> >
> > On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> >> This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody
> >> has come along and offered an application for people who are FM users
> >> but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi, John:
> >>>
> >>> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to
> >>> be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to
> >>> Adobe. I use ID
> >>> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable
> >>> on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list
> >>> think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog
> >>> through this effort going forward?
> >>>
> >>> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of
> >>> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the
> >>> computing environments where it's used have become serious
> >>> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the
> >>> issue.
>  I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make
>  their edits.
> 
>  The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
>  installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> >>> connecting
>  to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> 
>  BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does
>  nothing.
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
>  us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
>  Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
>  To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
>  framers@lists.frameusers.com>
>  Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> 
>  Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
> >>> confusion.
>  Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save
>  as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network
> >>> supports,
> >>>

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Scott Prentice]

Excellent point, Rick! But one clarification. Migrating from 
unstructured to structured FM does not necessarily give you XML files. 
You may just have structured FM binary files which results in the same 
problem that John is running into. However, if you do convert all the 
way to XML, and maintain your source as XML, you are free to switch 
tools at a moment's notice.


Another option (someone may have mentioned this, I haven't read the 
entire thread) .. would be to export to MIF at specific points along 
your workflow. There are tools to convert from MIF to other formats.


Cheers,
...scott


On 2/11/19 12:50 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

For anyone else that may find themselves in a similar situation: this is an
advantage of migrating your unstructured FrameMaker files to structured
FrameMaker. Then you will have vendor-neutral XML files in case you decide
to move away from FrameMaker in the future.

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
Behalf Of john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:15 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that kicks
FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.

What do I know. Thanks everyone

-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but typically
when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have FrameMaker
available to export to a neutral format.

FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate application
for migration.

...scott


On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:

This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody
has come along and offered an application for people who are FM users
but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold

wrote:


Hi, John:

My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to
be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to
Adobe. I use ID
CS6 standalone/non-subscription.

Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable
on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list
think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog
through this effort going forward?

Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of
technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the
computing environments where it's used have become serious
considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:


Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the

issue.

I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make
their edits.

The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by

connecting

to Adobe, and that's a problem.

BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does
nothing.

-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any

confusion.

Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save
as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network

supports,

then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a
service?

If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF

Filter

for Adobe InDesign  to
convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and
abilities,

the

conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and
specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.

HTH


On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:


Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like
FM installed on their network.

Are there any other applications that can be installed and open
native FM
11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the
book paradigm?

Thanks

--
John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Rick Quatro]

For anyone else that may find themselves in a similar situation: this is an
advantage of migrating your unstructured FrameMaker files to structured
FrameMaker. Then you will have vendor-neutral XML files in case you decide
to move away from FrameMaker in the future.

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
Behalf Of john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:15 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that kicks
FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.

What do I know. Thanks everyone

-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but typically
when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have FrameMaker
available to export to a neutral format.

FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate application
for migration.

...scott


On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody 
> has come along and offered an application for people who are FM users 
> but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
> 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, John:
>>
>> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to 
>> be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to 
>> Adobe. I use ID
>> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
>>
>> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable 
>> on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list 
>> think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog 
>> through this effort going forward?
>>
>> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of 
>> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the 
>> computing environments where it's used have become serious 
>> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the
>> issue.
>>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make 
>>> their edits.
>>>
>>> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be 
>>> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
>> connecting
>>> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
>>>
>>> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does 
>>> nothing.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
>>> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
>>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
>>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
>>> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>>>
>>> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
>> confusion.
>>> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save 
>>> as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network
>> supports,
>>> then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a 
>>> service?
>>>
>>> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate 
>>> network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF
>> Filter
>>> for Adobe InDesign  to 
>>> convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and 
>>> abilities,
>> the
>>> conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and 
>>> specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
>>>
 Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like 
 FM installed on their network.

 Are there any other applications that can be installed and open 
 native FM
 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the 
 book paradigm?

 Thanks

 --
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Caroline Tabach]

In recent exports from Adobe, styles were kept, but maybe you need the
whole program, not just Acrobat reader

Caroline Tabach

בתאריך יום ב׳, 11 בפבר׳ 2019, 19:50, מאת ‏:

> Thanks Lin.
>
> I need to retain the style definitions...Having everything Normal would be
> a liability.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 12:37 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> I think you'll have to talk to Adobe, and probably you'll need your IT
> people to talk to Adobe. To my knowledge, there is no way to edit a
> FrameMaker file without using the FrameMaker application. They're a binary
> format, and there's no method of extracting even the text from them. Used
> to be you could use FrameViewer to at least read them, but I believe that
> product was discontinued around the time Adobe bought Frame Technology.
>
> If you already have PDFs of the files and the Adobe Acrobat application
> (not the Adobe Reader), you can export the documents to Word. You lose the
> formatting information (everything is variations of 'Normal') but not the
> appearance that you created.
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Fred Ridder]

The application to use for exporting FrameMaker files to a format that is 
compatible with some other tool is FrameMaker. Absent that, there may be no 
solution.

-FR


From: Framers  on 
behalf of John Posada 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:57 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody has
come along and offered an application for people who are FM users but want
to migrate to another vendor for some reason.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Hi, John:
>
> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to be an
> early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to Adobe. I use ID
> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
>
> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable on the
> corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list think is the best
> one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog through this effort going
> forward?
>
> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of technical
> writing and publishing. However, security issues in the computing
> environments where it's used have become serious considerations, so, to
> wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
>
> > Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the
> issue.
> > I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make their
> > edits.
> >
> > The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> > installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> connecting
> > to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> >
> > BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does
> > nothing.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> > framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
> confusion.
> >
> > Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as
> > MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network
> supports,
> > then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a
> > service?
> >
> > If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
> > network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF
> Filter
> > for Adobe InDesign 
> > 
> >  to
> > convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities,
> the
> > conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and
> > specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> > > installed on their network.
> > >
> > > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native
> > > FM
> > > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> > > paradigm?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > --
> > > John Posada
> > > ___
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Lin Sims]

Adobe provides the ability to use FrameMaker to export to a number of
different formats that are useable by other applications, including export
into Word. It's hardly their responsibility to get other companies to
create import filters for Adobe proprietary formats.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:12 PM  wrote:

> How many people, based on company policy, have not embraced FM because
> there wasn't a migration path to another vendor so as not to be locked into
> a proprietary platform
>
> When I went the FM way, if I'd known, I would have gone a different way. I
> just assumed.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:05 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> One thing that might inform the long view is "If it ain't broke...," so
> there may be lots of individuals and small and large companies still
> chugging along with perfectly-operating back versions of FrameMaker on
> well-enough operating Windows-compatible machines or virtual-machine
> emulators, even, can-you-even-think-it...UNIX.
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:57 PM John Posada  wrote:
>
> > This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody
> > has come along and offered an application for people who are FM users
> > but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, John:
> > >
> > > My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have
> > > to be
> > an
> > > early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to Adobe. I
> > > use
> > ID
> > > CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> > >
> > > Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable
> > > on
> > the
> > > corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list think is
> > > the
> > best
> > > one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog through this effort
> > going
> > > forward?
> > >
> > > Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of
> > technical
> > > writing and publishing. However, security issues in the computing
> > > environments where it's used have become serious considerations, so,
> > > to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's
> > > > the
> > > issue.
> > > > I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to
> > > > make
> > their
> > > > edits.
> > > >
> > > > The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> > > > installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> > > connecting
> > > > to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> > > >
> > > > BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation
> > > > does nothing.
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > > > us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> > > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> > > > framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured
> > > > files
> > > >
> > > > Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
> > > confusion.
> > > >
> > > > Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine,
> > > > save as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate
> > > > network
> > > supports,
> > > > then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by
> > > > a service?
> > > >
> > > > If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
> > > > network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools -
> > > > MIF
> > > Filter
> > > > for Adobe InDesign 
> > > > to convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and
> > > > abilities,
> > > the
> > > > conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and
> > > > specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
> > > >
> > > > HTH
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't
> > > > > like FM installed on their network.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open
> > native
> > > > > FM
> > > > > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the
> > > > > book paradigm?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[john . x . posada]

I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that kicks FM's 
butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.

What do I know. Thanks everyone

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but typically 
when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have FrameMaker available 
to export to a neutral format.

FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate application for 
migration.

...scott


On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody 
> has come along and offered an application for people who are FM users 
> but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
> 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, John:
>>
>> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to 
>> be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to 
>> Adobe. I use ID
>> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
>>
>> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable 
>> on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list 
>> think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog 
>> through this effort going forward?
>>
>> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of 
>> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the 
>> computing environments where it's used have become serious 
>> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the
>> issue.
>>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make 
>>> their edits.
>>>
>>> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be 
>>> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
>> connecting
>>> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
>>>
>>> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does 
>>> nothing.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
>>> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
>>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
>>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
>>> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>>>
>>> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
>> confusion.
>>> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save 
>>> as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network
>> supports,
>>> then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a 
>>> service?
>>>
>>> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate 
>>> network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF
>> Filter
>>> for Adobe InDesign  to 
>>> convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and 
>>> abilities,
>> the
>>> conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and 
>>> specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
>>>
 Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like 
 FM installed on their network.

 Are there any other applications that can be installed and open 
 native FM
 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the 
 book paradigm?

 Thanks

 --
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[john . x . posada]

How many people, based on company policy, have not embraced FM because there 
wasn't a migration path to another vendor so as not to be locked into a 
proprietary platform 

When I went the FM way, if I'd known, I would have gone a different way. I just 
assumed.

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:05 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

One thing that might inform the long view is "If it ain't broke...," so there 
may be lots of individuals and small and large companies still chugging along 
with perfectly-operating back versions of FrameMaker on well-enough operating 
Windows-compatible machines or virtual-machine emulators, even, 
can-you-even-think-it...UNIX.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:57 PM John Posada  wrote:

> This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody 
> has come along and offered an application for people who are FM users 
> but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
> 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi, John:
> >
> > My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have 
> > to be
> an
> > early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to Adobe. I 
> > use
> ID
> > CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> >
> > Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable 
> > on
> the
> > corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list think is 
> > the
> best
> > one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog through this effort
> going
> > forward?
> >
> > Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of
> technical
> > writing and publishing. However, security issues in the computing 
> > environments where it's used have become serious considerations, so, 
> > to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's 
> > > the
> > issue.
> > > I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to 
> > > make
> their
> > > edits.
> > >
> > > The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be 
> > > installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> > connecting
> > > to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> > >
> > > BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation 
> > > does nothing.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > > us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
> > > framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured 
> > > files
> > >
> > > Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
> > confusion.
> > >
> > > Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, 
> > > save as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate 
> > > network
> > supports,
> > > then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by 
> > > a service?
> > >
> > > If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate 
> > > network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - 
> > > MIF
> > Filter
> > > for Adobe InDesign  
> > > to convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and 
> > > abilities,
> > the
> > > conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and 
> > > specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't 
> > > > like FM installed on their network.
> > > >
> > > > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open
> native
> > > > FM
> > > > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the 
> > > > book paradigm?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Scott Prentice]

This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but 
typically when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have 
FrameMaker available to export to a neutral format.


FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate 
application for migration.


...scott


On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:

This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody has
come along and offered an application for people who are FM users but want
to migrate to another vendor for some reason.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
wrote:


Hi, John:

My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to be an
early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to Adobe. I use ID
CS6 standalone/non-subscription.

Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable on the
corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list think is the best
one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog through this effort going
forward?

Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of technical
writing and publishing. However, security issues in the computing
environments where it's used have become serious considerations, so, to
wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:


Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the

issue.

I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make their
edits.

The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by

connecting

to Adobe, and that's a problem.

BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does
nothing.

-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any

confusion.

Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as
MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network

supports,

then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a
service?

If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF

Filter

for Adobe InDesign  to
convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities,

the

conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and
specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.

HTH


On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:


Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
installed on their network.

Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native
FM
11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
paradigm?

Thanks

--
John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Peter Gold]

One thing that might inform the long view is "If it ain't broke...," so
there may be lots of individuals and small and large companies still
chugging along with perfectly-operating back versions of FrameMaker on
well-enough operating Windows-compatible machines or virtual-machine
emulators, even, can-you-even-think-it...UNIX.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:57 PM John Posada  wrote:

> This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody has
> come along and offered an application for people who are FM users but want
> to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi, John:
> >
> > My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to be
> an
> > early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to Adobe. I use
> ID
> > CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> >
> > Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable on
> the
> > corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list think is the
> best
> > one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog through this effort
> going
> > forward?
> >
> > Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of
> technical
> > writing and publishing. However, security issues in the computing
> > environments where it's used have become serious considerations, so, to
> > wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the
> > issue.
> > > I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make
> their
> > > edits.
> > >
> > > The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> > > installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> > connecting
> > > to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> > >
> > > BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does
> > > nothing.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > > us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> > > framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> > >
> > > Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
> > confusion.
> > >
> > > Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as
> > > MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network
> > supports,
> > > then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a
> > > service?
> > >
> > > If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
> > > network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF
> > Filter
> > > for Adobe InDesign  to
> > > convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities,
> > the
> > > conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and
> > > specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> > > > installed on their network.
> > > >
> > > > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open
> native
> > > > FM
> > > > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> > > > paradigm?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[John Posada]

This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody has
come along and offered an application for people who are FM users but want
to migrate to another vendor for some reason.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Hi, John:
>
> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to be an
> early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to Adobe. I use ID
> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
>
> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable on the
> corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list think is the best
> one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog through this effort going
> forward?
>
> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of technical
> writing and publishing. However, security issues in the computing
> environments where it's used have become serious considerations, so, to
> wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
>
> > Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the
> issue.
> > I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make their
> > edits.
> >
> > The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> > installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> connecting
> > to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> >
> > BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does
> > nothing.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> > framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
> confusion.
> >
> > Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as
> > MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network
> supports,
> > then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a
> > service?
> >
> > If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
> > network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF
> Filter
> > for Adobe InDesign  to
> > convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities,
> the
> > conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and
> > specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> > > installed on their network.
> > >
> > > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native
> > > FM
> > > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> > > paradigm?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > --
> > > John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Peter Gold]

Hi, John:

My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to be an
early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to Adobe. I use ID
CS6 standalone/non-subscription.

Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable on the
corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list think is the best
one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog through this effort going
forward?

Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of technical
writing and publishing. However, security issues in the computing
environments where it's used have become serious considerations, so, to
wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:

> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the issue.
> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make their
> edits.
>
> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by connecting
> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
>
> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does
> nothing.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any confusion.
>
> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as
> MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network supports,
> then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a
> service?
>
> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
> network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF Filter
> for Adobe InDesign  to
> convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities, the
> conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and
> specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
>
> HTH
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
>
> > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> > installed on their network.
> >
> > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native
> > FM
> > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> > paradigm?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Lin Sims]

It may be necessary for IT and Adobe to work together to enable FrameMaker,
since Adobe requires the "phone home" and IT controls that capability. If
that isn't possible, then no, there is no way to open or edit the
FrameMaker documents you already have.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:26 PM  wrote:

> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the issue.
> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make their
> edits.
>
> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by connecting
> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
>
> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does
> nothing.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any confusion.
>
> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as
> MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network supports,
> then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a
> service?
>
> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
> network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF Filter
> for Adobe InDesign  to
> convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities, the
> conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and
> specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
>
> HTH
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
>
> > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> > installed on their network.
> >
> > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native
> > FM
> > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> > paradigm?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[john . x . posada]

If I could install FM11, I wouldn't be going through this.

Guys...the focus seems to keep coming back to the export process. I got that. 
Without a working application installed, everything else is moot.

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

He's got Frame 11, sort of. If he could get that working again, he could use 
Mif2Go to export the MIF files to a number of formats, including Word, with all 
the styles intact.

Given the IT and AML compliance, though, I don't know if that'd be possible for 
him.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:20 PM Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any confusion.
>
> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as 
> MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network 
> supports, then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by 
> a service?
>
> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate 
> network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF 
> Filter for Adobe InDesign 
>  to convert MIF files 
> InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities, the conversion 
> retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and specifications, 
> and does its best to emulate page layouts.
>
> HTH
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
>
> > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM 
> > installed on their network.
> >
> > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open 
> > native FM
> > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the 
> > book paradigm?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[john . x . posada]

Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the issue. I 
got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make their edits. 

The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be installed on 
a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by connecting to Adobe, and 
that's a problem.

BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does nothing.

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any confusion.

Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as MIF, and 
export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network supports, then copy 
these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a service?

If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate network, a 
round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF Filter for Adobe 
InDesign  to convert MIF files 
InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities, the conversion retains 
most, FrameMaker text formatting features and specifications, and does its best 
to emulate page layouts.

HTH


On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:

> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM 
> installed on their network.
>
> Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native 
> FM
> 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book 
> paradigm?
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Lin Sims]

He's got Frame 11, sort of. If he could get that working again, he could
use Mif2Go to export the MIF files to a number of formats, including Word,
with all the styles intact.

Given the IT and AML compliance, though, I don't know if that'd be possible
for him.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:20 PM Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any confusion.
>
> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as MIF,
> and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network supports, then
> copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a service?
>
> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate network,
> a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF Filter for
> Adobe InDesign  to convert
> MIF
> files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities, the
> conversion retains
> most, FrameMaker text formatting features and specifications, and does its
> best to emulate page layouts.
>
> HTH
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
>
> > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> > installed on their network.
> >
> > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
> > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> > paradigm?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Peter Gold]

Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any confusion.

Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as MIF,
and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network supports, then
copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a service?

If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate network,
a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF Filter for
Adobe InDesign  to convert MIF
files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities, the
conversion retains
most, FrameMaker text formatting features and specifications, and does its
best to emulate page layouts.

HTH


On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:

> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> installed on their network.
>
> Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
> 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> paradigm?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[john . x . posada]

Thanks Lin.

I need to retain the style definitions...Having everything Normal would be a 
liability.

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Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 12:37 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

I think you'll have to talk to Adobe, and probably you'll need your IT people 
to talk to Adobe. To my knowledge, there is no way to edit a FrameMaker file 
without using the FrameMaker application. They're a binary format, and there's 
no method of extracting even the text from them. Used to be you could use 
FrameViewer to at least read them, but I believe that product was discontinued 
around the time Adobe bought Frame Technology.

If you already have PDFs of the files and the Adobe Acrobat application (not 
the Adobe Reader), you can export the documents to Word. You lose the 
formatting information (everything is variations of 'Normal') but not the 
appearance that you created.
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Lin Sims]

I think you'll have to talk to Adobe, and probably you'll need your IT
people to talk to Adobe. To my knowledge, there is no way to edit a
FrameMaker file without using the FrameMaker application. They're a binary
format, and there's no method of extracting even the text from them. Used
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product was discontinued around the time Adobe bought Frame Technology.

If you already have PDFs of the files and the Adobe Acrobat application
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[John Posada]

I cannot install or download anything.


On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 11:45 AM Lea Rush  wrote:

> How about installing a trial version, exporting, and uninstalling?
>
> Lea
>
>
> Lea Rush
> Senior Software and Documentation Specialist
> Astoria-Pacific
> www.astoria-pacific.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+lea=
> astoria-pacific@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Posada
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 7:43 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> Here's the deal.
>
> I've been using FM11 for over 5 years. I have multiple books...maybe 50,
> with some books 500-600 pages each.
>
> Last October I suffered a laptop crash and all my applications needed to be
> reloaded. However, due to network and security changes, they were
> unsuccessful in getting FM11 to install, so they tried upgrading to the
> latest version...and this has been going on since October.
>
> I no long need FM to do my current deliverable, but there are instances
> where I need to make update changes to existing books.
>
> SO...I need access to the FM files to make changes...once I have access, I
> would probably export to Word, but to do anything with them, I need to be
> able to open them.
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:35 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:
>
> > You may want to consider PDF for a visual representation of the files and
> > MIF (Maker Interchange Format) for a text-based representation of the
> > content. MIF is would mainly be useful for recovering the content in
> > FrameMaker in the future if you needed to. Convert the files to MIF,
> > archive
> > them, and uninstall FrameMaker.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers 
> > On
> > Behalf Of John Posada
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:12 AM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > How about just ingesting the files and converting to another
> formatting...I
> > won't need to go back to FM on these
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:02 AM Rick Quatro 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi John,
> > >
> > > Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your
> > > company, but the people that don't like FM installed on their network
> > > are idiots. If FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content
> > > for them, why wouldn't they want it installed on their network?
> > >
> > > No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with
> > > unstructured FrameMaker documents.
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > > Rick Quatro
> > > Carmen Publishing Inc.
> > > r...@frameexpert.com
> > > 585-729-6746
> > > www.frameexpert.com/store/
> > >
> > > Save on energy at quatro.mystream.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Framers
> > > 
> > > On
> > > Behalf Of John Posada
> > > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:28 AM
> > > To: FrameUsers List 
> > > Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> > >
> > > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> > > installed on their network.
> > >
> > > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native
> > > FM
> > > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> > > paradigm?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Lea Rush]

How about installing a trial version, exporting, and uninstalling?

Lea


Lea Rush
Senior Software and Documentation Specialist 
Astoria-Pacific 
www.astoria-pacific.com

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+lea=astoria-pacific@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of John Posada
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 7:43 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Here's the deal.

I've been using FM11 for over 5 years. I have multiple books...maybe 50,
with some books 500-600 pages each.

Last October I suffered a laptop crash and all my applications needed to be
reloaded. However, due to network and security changes, they were
unsuccessful in getting FM11 to install, so they tried upgrading to the
latest version...and this has been going on since October.

I no long need FM to do my current deliverable, but there are instances
where I need to make update changes to existing books.

SO...I need access to the FM files to make changes...once I have access, I
would probably export to Word, but to do anything with them, I need to be
able to open them.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:35 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:

> You may want to consider PDF for a visual representation of the files and
> MIF (Maker Interchange Format) for a text-based representation of the
> content. MIF is would mainly be useful for recovering the content in
> FrameMaker in the future if you needed to. Convert the files to MIF,
> archive
> them, and uninstall FrameMaker.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> On
> Behalf Of John Posada
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:12 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> How about just ingesting the files and converting to another formatting...I
> won't need to go back to FM on these
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:02 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:
>
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your
> > company, but the people that don't like FM installed on their network
> > are idiots. If FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content
> > for them, why wouldn't they want it installed on their network?
> >
> > No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with
> > unstructured FrameMaker documents.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > Rick Quatro
> > Carmen Publishing Inc.
> > r...@frameexpert.com
> > 585-729-6746
> > www.frameexpert.com/store/
> >
> > Save on energy at quatro.mystream.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers
> > 
> > On
> > Behalf Of John Posada
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:28 AM
> > To: FrameUsers List 
> > Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> > installed on their network.
> >
> > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native
> > FM
> > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> > paradigm?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > John Posada
> > ___
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[John Posada]

Here's the deal.

I've been using FM11 for over 5 years. I have multiple books...maybe 50,
with some books 500-600 pages each.

Last October I suffered a laptop crash and all my applications needed to be
reloaded. However, due to network and security changes, they were
unsuccessful in getting FM11 to install, so they tried upgrading to the
latest version...and this has been going on since October.

I no long need FM to do my current deliverable, but there are instances
where I need to make update changes to existing books.

SO...I need access to the FM files to make changes...once I have access, I
would probably export to Word, but to do anything with them, I need to be
able to open them.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:35 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:

> You may want to consider PDF for a visual representation of the files and
> MIF (Maker Interchange Format) for a text-based representation of the
> content. MIF is would mainly be useful for recovering the content in
> FrameMaker in the future if you needed to. Convert the files to MIF,
> archive
> them, and uninstall FrameMaker.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> On
> Behalf Of John Posada
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:12 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> How about just ingesting the files and converting to another formatting...I
> won't need to go back to FM on these
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:02 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:
>
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your
> > company, but the people that don't like FM installed on their network
> > are idiots. If FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content
> > for them, why wouldn't they want it installed on their network?
> >
> > No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with
> > unstructured FrameMaker documents.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > Rick Quatro
> > Carmen Publishing Inc.
> > r...@frameexpert.com
> > 585-729-6746
> > www.frameexpert.com/store/
> >
> > Save on energy at quatro.mystream.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers
> > 
> > On
> > Behalf Of John Posada
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:28 AM
> > To: FrameUsers List 
> > Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> > installed on their network.
> >
> > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native
> > FM
> > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> > paradigm?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Johan Anglemark]

Have you talked to Adobe? Your situation is far from unique, maybe they 
have a solution for you?


-j

On 2019-02-11 16:08, john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com wrote:

As we are in AML compliance (anti-money laundering) and very locked down, among other 
reasons, they have issues with any application where the workstation needs to connect to 
the "mothership" over the internet, even if it is for an authorization.

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:02 AM
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi John,

Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your company, but 
the people that don't like FM installed on their network are *. If 
FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content for them, why wouldn't 
they want it installed on their network?

No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with unstructured 
FrameMaker documents.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-729-6746
www.frameexpert.com/store/

Save on energy at quatro.mystream.com



-Original Message-
From: Framers  On 
Behalf Of John Posada
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:28 AM
To: FrameUsers List 
Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM installed 
on their network.

Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book paradigm?

Thanks

--
John Posada



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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Rick Quatro]

You may want to consider PDF for a visual representation of the files and
MIF (Maker Interchange Format) for a text-based representation of the
content. MIF is would mainly be useful for recovering the content in
FrameMaker in the future if you needed to. Convert the files to MIF, archive
them, and uninstall FrameMaker.

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From: Framers  On
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:12 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

How about just ingesting the files and converting to another formatting...I
won't need to go back to FM on these

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:02 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your 
> company, but the people that don't like FM installed on their network 
> are idiots. If FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content 
> for them, why wouldn't they want it installed on their network?
>
> No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with 
> unstructured FrameMaker documents.
>
> Rick
>
> Rick Quatro
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> r...@frameexpert.com
> 585-729-6746
> www.frameexpert.com/store/
>
> Save on energy at quatro.mystream.com
>
>
>
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> 
> On
> Behalf Of John Posada
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> To: FrameUsers List 
> Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM 
> installed on their network.
>
> Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native 
> FM
> 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book 
> paradigm?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[john . x . posada]

No worries, man...all good.

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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

I am sorry for using that derogatory term. It was unprofessional and uncalled 
for. Please forgive me, John.

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

As we are in AML compliance (anti-money laundering) and very locked down, among 
other reasons, they have issues with any application where the workstation 
needs to connect to the "mothership" over the internet, even if it is for an 
authorization.

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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi John,

Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your company, but 
the people that don't like FM installed on their network are idiots. If 
FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content for them, why wouldn't 
they want it installed on their network?

No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with unstructured 
FrameMaker documents.

Rick

Rick Quatro
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r...@frameexpert.com
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:28 AM
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Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM installed 
on their network.

Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book paradigm?

Thanks

--
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Rick Quatro]

I am sorry for using that derogatory term. It was unprofessional and
uncalled for. Please forgive me, John.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:09 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

As we are in AML compliance (anti-money laundering) and very locked down,
among other reasons, they have issues with any application where the
workstation needs to connect to the "mothership" over the internet, even if
it is for an authorization.

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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi John,

Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your company,
but the people that don't like FM installed on their network are idiots. If
FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content for them, why
wouldn't they want it installed on their network?

No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with unstructured
FrameMaker documents.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-729-6746
www.frameexpert.com/store/

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-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:28 AM
To: FrameUsers List 
Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
installed on their network.

Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
paradigm?

Thanks

--
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Harding, Dan]

Dumb question, not being integrally familiar with FM's version history, but 
with what version did the "phone home for activation" requirement start? I 
didn't think it was until the last few versions. Is there a perpetually 
licensed FM version that doesn't phone home that you could get by with using?

-Dan

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

As we are in AML compliance (anti-money laundering) and very locked down, among 
other reasons, they have issues with any application where the workstation 
needs to connect to the "mothership" over the internet, even if it is for an 
authorization.

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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi John,

Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your company, but 
the people that don't like FM installed on their network are idiots. If 
FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content for them, why wouldn't 
they want it installed on their network?

No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with unstructured 
FrameMaker documents.

Rick

Rick Quatro
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r...@frameexpert.com
585-729-6746
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Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM installed 
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Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book paradigm?

Thanks

--
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[John Posada]

How about just ingesting the files and converting to another formatting...I
won't need to go back to FM on these

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:02 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your company,
> but the people that don't like FM installed on their network are idiots. If
> FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content for them, why
> wouldn't they want it installed on their network?
>
> No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with unstructured
> FrameMaker documents.
>
> Rick
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 585-729-6746
> www.frameexpert.com/store/
>
> Save on energy at quatro.mystream.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> On
> Behalf Of John Posada
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:28 AM
> To: FrameUsers List 
> Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> installed on their network.
>
> Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
> 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> paradigm?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[john . x . posada]

As we are in AML compliance (anti-money laundering) and very locked down, among 
other reasons, they have issues with any application where the workstation 
needs to connect to the "mothership" over the internet, even if it is for an 
authorization.

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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi John,

Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your company, but 
the people that don't like FM installed on their network are idiots. If 
FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content for them, why wouldn't 
they want it installed on their network?

No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with unstructured 
FrameMaker documents.

Rick

Rick Quatro
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Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM installed 
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Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book paradigm?

Thanks

--
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Rick Quatro]

Hi John,

Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your company,
but the people that don't like FM installed on their network are idiots. If
FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content for them, why
wouldn't they want it installed on their network?

No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with unstructured
FrameMaker documents.

Rick

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Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
installed on their network.

Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
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Thanks

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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Lol - nope!

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Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM installed 
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Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
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Thanks

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[Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[John Posada]

Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
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Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
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paradigm?

Thanks

-- 
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