from:"Dennis Brunnenmeyer"

Now that you mention it, in my previous encounters with FrameMaker 7.2, I
was using a 32-bit Windows XP/SP3 PC. It would be relatively easy to move
this project to a PC that I have sitting around here. Is that likely to
solve the problem and make life a whole lot easier?

I don't recall encountering this issue is my previous applications.

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On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> If you're not running it in Windows XP Mode, try that. It worked for
> me. Download it here:
>
> https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh859554.aspx
>
> Installation instructions (with an outdated download link) here:
>
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx%3Fid=8002
>
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Dennis Brunnenmeyer
> <dennis.brunnenme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit.
> >
> > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Which version of Windows are you running?
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Crashes

It's not an evil suggestion, but I am under considerable pressure to meet a
critical deadline. I don't have the funds to upgrade nor the time to climb
yet another steep learning curve.

Dennis...

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On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter) <
bern...@publishingsmarter.com> wrote:

> At the risk of sounding evil, have you considered an upgrade? Legit
> question. Even if you use the trial version for 2017, see if it works. The
> time saved may well be worth the cost. Add in reduced therapy costs... :)
>
> Bernard
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
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> ]
> On Behalf Of Dennis Brunnenmeyer
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:06 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Crashes
>
> I've been struggling with this issue for some time. It's costing me untold
> hours of lost time, forcing me to restart the application, re-open the
> document and start over from the point where I last saved the file.
> Unfortunately, I can't be expected to save tge file after every keystroke.
>
> Attempting to delete a block of text by dragging over it with the cursor,
> no
> matter how few characters or lines are highlighted, causes the program to
> freeze, forcing a restart. The only way I can delete more than a few
> characters at a time is to hold down the Delete key until the desired block
> of text is, well, deleted.
>
> Is there a fix for this?
>
> Dennis...
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Crashes

Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit.

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On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> Which version of Windows are you running?
>
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Dennis Brunnenmeyer
> <dennis.brunnenme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've been struggling with this issue for some time. It's costing me
> untold
> > hours of lost time, forcing me to restart the application, re-open the
> > document and start over from the point where I last saved the file.
> > Unfortunately, I can't be expected to save tge file after every
> keystroke.
> >
> > Attempting to delete a block of text by dragging over it with the cursor,
> > no matter how few characters or lines are highlighted, causes the program
> > to freeze, forcing a restart. The only way I can delete more than a few
> > characters at a time is to hold down the Delete key until the desired
> block
> > of text is, well, deleted.
> >
> > Is there a fix for this?
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[Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Crashes

I've been struggling with this issue for some time. It's costing me untold
hours of lost time, forcing me to restart the application, re-open the
document and start over from the point where I last saved the file.
Unfortunately, I can't be expected to save tge file after every keystroke.

Attempting to delete a block of text by dragging over it with the cursor,
no matter how few characters or lines are highlighted, causes the program
to freeze, forcing a restart. The only way I can delete more than a few
characters at a time is to hold down the Delete key until the desired block
of text is, well, deleted.

Is there a fix for this?

Dennis...
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Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer


Hello Z...

Thanks for your warning about the Control-key functions. I assume though 
that it is still OK to access the paragraph and character designers with 
the Ctrl+D and the Ctrl+M keystrokes. Is that true or should I rely on 
the menus to open those designers?


Dennis...


On 11/30/2016 10:28 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote:

Robert Lauriston said:

First rule of FrameMaker: use only paragraph and character tags to format your 
text.
Second rule of FrameMaker: use only paragraph and character tags to format your 
text.

Heartily, HEARTILY agreed!

In particular, the use of Control-key functions to add character formats (for 
italics and bolding, etc.) is a dangerous thing to do - whether in FrameMaker 
or Microsoft Word or elsewhere.

_Any_ later change to the paragraph format will remove all these "override 
uses" and result in a different emphasis to the text.

Z
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Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer


Hi everyone...

I must admit that I'm overwhelmed by the number of kind and helpful  
responses I've received, especially considering my expertise at the time 
of my first posting. I'm relearning the application, having once 
produced a very nice User's Manual in or around 2007. It's been an 
arduous climb back up the learning curve after 9 years, but thanks to 
all of you, I'm feeling pretty good about it.


I don't have the means, unfortunately, to upgrade to FrameMaker 8, 9 or 
beyond.  That said, I have no need to backsave anything from FM 7.2, so 
that isn't an issue. I am curious, though, about the statement below 
that UTF-8 can cause some problems in 7.2 other than with backsaving.  
Are there issues with this within a FM 7.2-only  environment?


Also, since everyone has unanimously suggested that one should avoid 
using the Formatting Bar and even the shortcuts via key strokes, I 
assume that means that paragraph tabs should only be configured in the 
Paragraph Designer.


Thanks again for your valuable suggestions.

Dennis


On 11/30/2016 11:25 AM, Craig Ede wrote:

I believe 7.2 went to UTF 8 encoding which can cause some problems, especially 
with backsaving.

A translation company I worked for ran into problems trying to save later files 
back to 7.0 mif because certain characters (like bullets used in list, I see to 
remember) would be messed up by that.

Craig


From: Framers <framers-bounces+craigede=hotmail@lists.frameusers.com> on behalf 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

The differences between unstructured FrameMaker 6 and 7.2 were fairly
minor. The main thing I recall was the addition of multi-level undo.

The big changes were in FM8, which switched from proprietary character
sets to Unicode, and FM9, which layered on the nonstandard UI (though
as you drill down some of the dialog boxes are unchanged from FM5 or
even earlier).

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:15 AM, Caroline Tabach <carol...@radcom.com> wrote:

... http://www.peachpit.com/articles/index.aspx?st=60562

Adobe FrameMaker Articles | 
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ability to create structured documents. Lisa Jahred tells you what's new ...




These cover paragraph, table and character formats and more,
Even though they say Frame 6, the principle is the same

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[Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-29 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer


FrameMaker 7.2, Unstructured
Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit
Target output: PDF only

As a relatively new beginner, I hate to bother experts with this 
question, but where can I find concise information about the topics 
below. I have the original Adobe 7.0 book as well as their Classroom In 
A Book. Neither of them, as far as I can tell, address the overall 
concept of how these tools described below interact with each other. 
Instead, those books seem to be just a list of step-by-step procedures 
on how to accomplish tasks.


Oh, and I also have The Complete Reference / FrameMaker 7 book by Sarah 
O'Keefe and Sheila Loring. It's size alone is intimidating, but maybe 
the information I need is somewhere in there.


It seems to me that there are three ways to affect paragraph styles:  1) 
Paragraph designer while in Body view mode, 2) Paragraph designer while 
viewing Master and Reference Pages, and 3) the Formatting Bar.


Compounding my confusion is the fact that there are character and 
paragraph styles on the Reference pages that aren't in the Character 
catalog and Paragraph catalogs.


When working on a paragraph on the body pages, it seems like the 
Formatting bar and the Paragraph designer sometimes "disagree" with each 
other. Trying to change the  Default font style for a paragraph 
sometimes doesn't "take hold," meaning no visible changes are made when 
applying the desired change.


If I want to change the color of the text in a paragraph designer, do I 
need to create a new character format or a new paragraph format?


Again, all I'm looking for, as far as I can tell, is a proper reference 
document that explains the interaction between these tools,  a general 
discussion of when and how they interact, and which one to use.


Thanks.

Dennis...
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Re: [Framers] A FrameMaker bug or is something wrong with my files?


Hi Rick...

Yes, that was indeed the problem. What is strange, though, is that I 
noticed this before I gave up and posted my query. I made the correction 
to the file name but perhaps I forgot to save the file and/or the book 
first before trying again to correct the problem.


At any rate, it's solved now. Thanks for pointing out the cause.

Dennis


On 11/22/2016 6:37 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

Check to see if the original file had 2 or more consecutive spaces in the file 
name or path. The hypertext marker will replace 2 or more consecutive spaces 
with a single space and that will cause a mismatch between the link and the 
file name.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-366-4017



-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] 
On Behalf Of Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 8:28 PM
To: Craig, Alison; FramMaker Postings
Subject: Re: [Framers] A FrameMaker bug or is something wrong with my files?

It was something to do with the file itself.  The problem followed the chapter 
in question when I reversed their order, swapping chapter 1 for chapter 2 in 
the book.

Since the two chapters were otherwise very similar, I deleted the troublesome 
Chapter 1 and saved a copy of Chapter 2 with a new name, and then added it to 
the book. The problem has gone away.

If I had the time and a good reason to do it, I'd run some kind of comparison 
between the old chapter 1 and its replacement chapter to find
the difference. Maybe on another   rainy day, but I've spent enough time
on this problem as it is.

Dennis...


On 11/22/2016 3:36 PM, Craig, Alison wrote:

If you find out what causes this, let me know.

I have that issue in some of my books and it carries over into the PDF
as well (FM 9 and 12)

I’ve tried creating a new chapter file but the problem doesn’t go away.

*Alison Craig*

Technical Documentation Specialist

BK Ultrasound |**acr...@bkultrasound.com
<mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com> | bkultrasound.com


*From:*Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com]
*On Behalf Of *Dennis Brunnenmeyer
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:32 PM
*To:* FramMaker Postings
*Subject:* [Framers] A FrameMaker bug or is something wrong with my files?

OS: Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit
FrameMaker 7.2
Semi-knowledgeable, infrequent user

I've managed to generate an otherwise proper and well-behaved TOC for
my 48-chapter book. It looks good and everything seems normal so far,
except for thise: the Alt-Control while clicking on the first chapter
heading in the TOC results in an error window that says the file
doesn't exist. Doing this on any of the following headings,
subheadings and page headings works perfectly. Only the first entry in
the TOC exhibits this problem.

A harmless bug or a sign of a hidden problem?

TIA for any advice.

Dennis...

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Re: [Framers] A FrameMaker bug or is something wrong with my files?

It was something to do with the file itself.  The problem followed the 
chapter in question when I reversed their order, swapping chapter 1 for 
chapter 2 in the book.


Since the two chapters were otherwise very similar, I deleted the 
troublesome Chapter 1 and saved a copy of Chapter 2 with a new name, and 
then added it to the book. The problem has gone away.


If I had the time and a good reason to do it, I'd run some kind of 
comparison between the old chapter 1 and its replacement chapter to find 
the difference. Maybe on another   rainy day, but I've spent enough time 
on this problem as it is.


Dennis...


On 11/22/2016 3:36 PM, Craig, Alison wrote:


If you find out what causes this, let me know.

I have that issue in some of my books and it carries over into the PDF 
as well (FM 9 and 12)


I’ve tried creating a new chapter file but the problem doesn’t go away.

*Alison Craig*

Technical Documentation Specialist

BK Ultrasound |**acr...@bkultrasound.com 
<mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com> | bkultrasound.com 


*From:*Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] 
*On Behalf Of *Dennis Brunnenmeyer

*Sent:* Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:32 PM
*To:* FramMaker Postings
*Subject:* [Framers] A FrameMaker bug or is something wrong with my files?

OS: Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit
FrameMaker 7.2
Semi-knowledgeable, infrequent user

I've managed to generate an otherwise proper and well-behaved TOC for my
48-chapter book. It looks good and everything seems normal so far,
except for thise: the Alt-Control while clicking on the first chapter
heading in the TOC results in an error window that says the file doesn't
exist. Doing this on any of the following headings, subheadings and page
headings works perfectly. Only the first entry in the TOC exhibits this
problem.

A harmless bug or a sign of a hidden problem?

TIA for any advice.

Dennis...

--

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Director of Marketing

*Fullfidelity Music^®*

15019 Rattlesnake Road

Grass Valley, CA 95945**

dennisb/at/ fullfidelitymusic /dot/ com

+1 (530) 477-9015

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OS:  Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit
FrameMaker 7.2
Semi-knowledgeable, infrequent user

I've managed to generate an otherwise proper and well-behaved TOC for my 
48-chapter book. It looks good and everything seems normal so far, 
except for thise:  the Alt-Control while clicking on the first chapter 
heading in the TOC results in an error window that says the file doesn't 
exist. Doing this on any of the following headings, subheadings and page 
headings works perfectly. Only the first entry in the TOC exhibits this 
problem.


A harmless bug or a sign of a hidden problem?

TIA for any advice.

Dennis...

--

Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Director of Marketing

*Fullfidelity Music^®*

15019 Rattlesnake Road

Grass Valley, CA 95945**

dennisb/at/ fullfidelitymusic /dot/ com

+1 (530) 477-9015

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Re: [Framers] Unable to generate a TOC


You are correct. I forgot to "Add" it first.

Thank you.

Dennis...


On 11/22/2016 12:07 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote:

Hi,

Is your TOC file really a live TOC?
How did you add this file to the book file?
A live TOC must be added via "Add | Create Standalone TOC".
Then you get the dialog to set up the table of contents.
You can access this dialog also when you select the TOC file in the book
and click "Edit | Set Up Table of Contents".

Best regards

Winfried

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:17 AM
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Subject: [Framers] Unable to generate a TOC

OS:  Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit
Program:  FrameMaker 7.2
User:  Struggling newbie, relatively speaking. Frankly almost ready to
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I'm at the end of a very long rope. I have a 48-chapter book. Each
chapter, on their own, appears to be well-formatted with consistent
paragraph and character formats. Yet when I go to update the book to
hopefully generate a TOC, there are no entries in the Generate and Don't
Generate windows.

Does anyone have any idea why this might be the case?

TIA for any suggestions.

Dennis
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[Framers] Unable to generate a TOC

2016-11-21 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer


OS:  Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit
Program:  FrameMaker 7.2
User:  Struggling newbie, relatively speaking. Frankly almost ready to 
dump this project and try MS Word instead.


I'm at the end of a very long rope. I have a 48-chapter book. Each 
chapter, on their own, appears to be well-formatted with consistent 
paragraph and character formats. Yet when I go to update the book to 
hopefully generate a TOC, there are no entries in the Generate and Don't 
Generate windows.


Does anyone have any idea why this might be the case?

TIA for any suggestions.

Dennis
--

Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Director of Marketing

*Fullfidelity Music^®*

15019 Rattlesnake Road

Grass Valley, CA 95945**

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Re: dual monitor serup ? - Frame-10

2013-01-11 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Assuming you have a desktop PC that accepts option cards, what you should
get is a compatible dual-head graphics card such as the NVIDIA Quadro FX
3450, which has DVI (digital video interface) outputs. As I recall, your
workstation needs PCI-e slot for this card. A matched pair of intermediate
resolution LCD displays with a DVI connector is a good bet for text
editing. Note that all LCD flat panel displays perform best if driven at
their native resolution. (The higher the resolution, the smaller the text
will appear. High resolution is good for editing graphics but then text is
likely to be sub-optimal both in size and readability. (In a nutshell, the
pixel information array generated by the graphics card should match the
pixel array on the display, giving a one-to-one mapping of generated
pixels to the pixels on the screen.)

It's also advantageous to have LCD displays that can be physically rotated
90° for a portrait view as an option in addition ton landscape when you're
working on pages in a document. Wide-screen displays are common and about
all you can find in stores, but I've never seen one that can be rotated.
My favorite displays are out-of-production Samsung SyncMaster 204B models.
They have a 4:3 aspect ratio and can be put in either landscape or
portrait orientation. Their native resolution is 1600 x 1200, too high for
my liking but they display text reasonably well at 1280 x 960 settings on
the graphics card.

Use matched monitors, regardless, if you want the best results.

Dual displays are really the only way to go if you have the desk space to
put two of them side-by-side. Once you start using them, you'll wonder why
you didn't do it sooner.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Cedar Ridge Systems
Grass Valley, CA


  all,

 have been doing structured catalog pages since ver. 4 when the 3.5-in.
 floppy was in a hard-envelope and have accomplished this with a variety
 of
 Dell WorkStations, all using dual monitors.

 the dual monitors allow full-size facing pages on screen-1 and
 char.-para.-table.-designer with struct,-access, tool-bar, and two other
 (mod-pods) located on screen-2. This set-up allows ALL the functionality
 to
 be in view all-the-time and is quick-access.

 ¿¿¿ can/HOW can this be set-up on a new Dell-WS win7/64-bit sys for
 Frame-10???

 the dual-screen card does allow for an application window to be
 drug-across both screens, if necessary.

 anyway . . . who might you recommend calling to instruct me in set-up of
 this environment, or where is this kind of set-up defined. ???

 thanks very much for your response!!!

 best to all,

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dual monitor serup ? - Frame-10

2013-01-11 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Assuming you have a desktop PC that accepts option cards, what you should
get is a compatible "dual-head" graphics card such as the NVIDIA Quadro FX
3450, which has DVI (digital video interface) outputs. As I recall, your
workstation needs PCI-e slot for this card. A matched pair of intermediate
resolution LCD displays with a DVI connector is a good bet for text
editing. Note that all LCD flat panel displays perform best if driven at
their native resolution. (The higher the resolution, the smaller the text
will appear. High resolution is good for editing graphics but then text is
likely to be sub-optimal both in size and readability. (In a nutshell, the
pixel information array generated by the graphics card should match the
pixel array on the display, giving a one-to-one mapping of generated
pixels to the pixels on the screen.)

It's also advantageous to have LCD displays that can be physically rotated
90? for a portrait view as an option in addition ton landscape when you're
working on pages in a document. Wide-screen displays are common and about
all you can find in stores, but I've never seen one that can be rotated.
My favorite displays are out-of-production Samsung SyncMaster 204B models.
They have a 4:3 aspect ratio and can be put in either landscape or
portrait orientation. Their native resolution is 1600 x 1200, too high for
my liking but they display text reasonably well at 1280 x 960 settings on
the graphics card.

Use matched monitors, regardless, if you want the best results.

Dual displays are really the only way to go if you have the desk space to
put two of them side-by-side. Once you start using them, you'll wonder why
you didn't do it sooner.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Cedar Ridge Systems
Grass Valley, CA


 > all,
>
> have been doing structured catalog pages since ver. 4 when the 3.5-in.
> floppy was in a "hard"-envelope and have accomplished this with a variety
> of
> Dell WorkStations, all using dual monitors.
>
> the dual monitors allow full-size facing pages on screen-1 and
> char.-para.-table.-designer with struct,-access, tool-bar, and two other
> (mod-pods) located on screen-2. This set-up allows ALL the functionality
> to
> be in view all-the-time and is quick-access.
>
> ??? can/HOW can this be set-up on a new Dell-WS win7/64-bit sys for
> Frame-10???
>
> the dual-screen "card" does allow for an application window to be
> drug-across both screens, if necessary.
>
> anyway . . . who might you recommend calling to instruct me in set-up of
> this environment, or where is this kind of set-up defined. ???
>
> thanks very much for your response!!!
>
> best to all,
>
> dick doll
> 317.539.4857
> sgmlindy at tds.net
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RE: PDF drawings into FrameMaker

2009-01-13 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Adrianne

What application you were using to create your PDF files from the DWG 
files in the first place? I've never had a problem with PDFs created 
from CAD packages using the Adobe PDF virtual printer installed with Frame.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer

At 05:44 AM 1/13/2009, Adrianne Mora wrote:
I want to thank everyone for their responses about my issue with
importing PDF drawings into FrameMaker. Some suggested using different
formats, but with our software setup, PDF is my only way. The PDF prints
perfectly fine -- until I import it into FM! It's rather frustrating.



That said, I used PDF-Fly http://www.pdf-fly.com/ to convert the files
into MIF. This works beautifully! Thanks for the suggestion, Jan.



Now I have to figure out how I'm going to convince my company to buy the
program when FM should do this, without a hitch, on its own



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PDF drawings into FrameMaker

2009-01-13 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Adrianne

What application you were using to create your PDF files from the DWG 
files in the first place? I've never had a problem with PDFs created 
from CAD packages using the Adobe PDF virtual printer installed with Frame.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer

At 05:44 AM 1/13/2009, Adrianne Mora wrote:
>I want to thank everyone for their responses about my issue with
>importing PDF drawings into FrameMaker. Some suggested using different
>formats, but with our software setup, PDF is my only way. The PDF prints
>perfectly fine -- until I import it into FM! It's rather frustrating.
>
>
>
>That said, I used PDF-Fly http://www.pdf-fly.com/ to convert the files
>into MIF. This works beautifully! Thanks for the suggestion, Jan.
>
>
>
>Now I have to figure out how I'm going to convince my company to buy the
>program when FM should do this, without a hitch, on its own
>
>
>
>Adrianne
>
>Please take care of the environment, print only if necessary.
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Re: Placing icons in side heads

2009-01-06 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Use RefIcons by Cudspan.

At 03:18 AM 1/4/2009, Leah wrote:
FM 7.0 ; Windows XP

In one of our products, users can choose between 2 programming syntaxes.
Until now we have produced 2 different versions of the Reference Guide
(using conditional text).

We now want to produce 1 book that includes both syntaxes. The files use
side heads. I want to construct soemthing like this:

Syntax A icon (in sidehead)To tie shoelaces
 1.
 2.
 To untie  shoelaces
1.
2.

Syntax B icon (in sidehead)To tie shoelaces
 1.
 2.
 To untie  shoelaces
1.
2.

Questions:
1. How do I get those icons into the sideheads?
2. How do I make sure that they automatically line up with the procedure
title pgf?

TIA,

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Technical Writer
Certified Feldenkrais Method practitioner
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Placing icons in side heads

2009-01-06 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Use RefIcons by Cudspan.

At 03:18 AM 1/4/2009, Leah wrote:
>FM 7.0 ; Windows XP
>
>In one of our products, users can choose between 2 programming syntaxes.
>Until now we have produced 2 different versions of the Reference Guide
>(using conditional text).
>
>We now want to produce 1 book that includes both syntaxes. The files use
>side heads. I want to construct soemthing like this:
>
>Syntax A icon (in sidehead)To tie shoelaces
> 1.
> 2.
> To untie  shoelaces
>1.
>2.
>
>Syntax B icon (in sidehead)To tie shoelaces
> 1.
> 2.
> To untie  shoelaces
>1.
>2.
>
>Questions:
>1. How do I get those icons into the sideheads?
>2. How do I make sure that they automatically line up with the procedure
>title pgf?
>
>TIA,
>
>Leah Smaller
>Technical Writer
>Certified Feldenkrais Method practitioner
>leah at compulite.com
>
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Re: OT: matching dual LCD monitors

2008-09-05 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Dave,,,

There are numerous dual-head video cards with two DVI (digital) 
outputs. By all means, insist that your IT folks provide you with 
one. If you can't get them to provide you with what you need, I'd buy 
it out of my own pocket if I were you. Life is too short to deal with 
the problems of mixed format video formats and drivers. The right 
card can be had dirt cheap.

You can get what you need for under $50 on eBay or at any good 
discount outlet. For an example of the video card I use, go to 
eBay.com and search on this item number: 320295526356. Of course, you 
are own your own (with your IT department's help) to ensure that a 
card like this is compatible with your computer.

LCD monitors will always look and perform better when driven by the 
DVI digital interface, especially if the graphics card resolution is 
set to match the native resolution of the LCD display. In your case, 
that's 1280 x 1024. For a 19 monitor, that should be just about right.

I can't speak for any other graphics cards other than my own, but my 
NVIDIA graphics card drivers support both landscape and portrait-mode 
displays. Hopefully you can get a graphics card like that. Just as 
important, I hope your LCD display(s) can be rotated physically on 
their stands to allow you to display pages in portrait mode, as 
opposed to the normal landscape mode. It's much better when working 
on documents typically formatted on letter-size pages in portrait 
orientation, and it's simple to switch back and forth.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer

At 06:51 PM 9/4/2008, Dave Reynolds wrote:
Hi

Not exactly Frame related, but I'm after some advice about LCD
monitors.  After being the only tech writer in our team with a single
monitor, I finally got given another monitor a couple of weeks ago.
Hurray!!  It's been a long wait.  So now I have matching Viewsonic VA912
19 monitors.  The second one is not new, but reassigned to me from
someone else.  Judging from the numbers, it is about the same age as my
first monitor.

Apparently my PC has an on-board video card, so they connected the
second monitor via an adaptor card (budget constraints!).  This meant I
had the first monitor on an analog feed, and the second monitor on a
digital feed.

The display on the second monitor is quite different from the first
monitor in terms of colour, brightness and contrast.  I have tried to
adjust the second monitor to match the display of the first monitor, but
I've been unsuccessful.  I've tried the adjustments on the monitor and
in the driver, but the display on the second monitor is still inferior
to that on the first monitor.  After complaining to our IST people, they
fitted a new video card that they happened to have in stock (still
budget constraints), but I notice that the first monitor is still on
analog, and the second is still on digital, and I still can't get the
displays to match.

For many applications this is only a nuisance.  However, for editing
photographs it is a major problem.  I take quite a few photos for my
manuals and it is important that the edited versions of the photos I
take are consistent for colour, brightness and contrast.  This means
that I cannot currently use the second monitor for editing photos, as
the same photo looks so different on each monitor.

Is there a way to get the second monitor to match the first one, or am I
fighting a losing battle trying to get the digital input display to
match the analog input display?

Any help appreciated.

Thanks

Dave

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OT: matching dual LCD monitors

2008-09-05 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Dave,,,

There are numerous "dual-head" video cards with two DVI (digital) 
outputs. By all means, insist that your IT folks provide you with 
one. If you can't get them to provide you with what you need, I'd buy 
it out of my own pocket if I were you. Life is too short to deal with 
the problems of mixed format video formats and drivers. The right 
card can be had dirt cheap.

You can get what you need for under $50 on eBay or at any good 
discount outlet. For an example of the video card I use, go to 
eBay.com and search on this item number: 320295526356. Of course, you 
are own your own (with your IT department's help) to ensure that a 
card like this is compatible with your computer.

LCD monitors will always look and perform better when driven by the 
DVI digital interface, especially if the graphics card resolution is 
set to match the native resolution of the LCD display. In your case, 
that's 1280 x 1024. For a 19" monitor, that should be just about right.

I can't speak for any other graphics cards other than my own, but my 
NVIDIA graphics card drivers support both landscape and portrait-mode 
displays. Hopefully you can get a graphics card like that. Just as 
important, I hope your LCD display(s) can be rotated physically on 
their stands to allow you to display pages in portrait mode, as 
opposed to the normal landscape mode. It's much better when working 
on documents typically formatted on letter-size pages in portrait 
orientation, and it's simple to switch back and forth.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer

At 06:51 PM 9/4/2008, Dave Reynolds wrote:
>Hi
>
>Not exactly Frame related, but I'm after some advice about LCD
>monitors.  After being the only tech writer in our team with a single
>monitor, I finally got given another monitor a couple of weeks ago.
>Hurray!!  It's been a long wait.  So now I have matching Viewsonic VA912
>19" monitors.  The second one is not new, but reassigned to me from
>someone else.  Judging from the numbers, it is about the same age as my
>first monitor.
>
>Apparently my PC has an on-board video card, so they connected the
>second monitor via an adaptor card (budget constraints!).  This meant I
>had the first monitor on an analog feed, and the second monitor on a
>digital feed.
>
>The display on the second monitor is quite different from the first
>monitor in terms of colour, brightness and contrast.  I have tried to
>adjust the second monitor to match the display of the first monitor, but
>I've been unsuccessful.  I've tried the adjustments on the monitor and
>in the driver, but the display on the second monitor is still inferior
>to that on the first monitor.  After complaining to our IST people, they
>fitted a new video card that they happened to have in stock (still
>budget constraints), but I notice that the first monitor is still on
>analog, and the second is still on digital, and I still can't get the
>displays to match.
>
>For many applications this is only a nuisance.  However, for editing
>photographs it is a major problem.  I take quite a few photos for my
>manuals and it is important that the edited versions of the photos I
>take are consistent for colour, brightness and contrast.  This means
>that I cannot currently use the second monitor for editing photos, as
>the same photo looks so different on each monitor.
>
>Is there a way to get the second monitor to match the first one, or am I
>fighting a losing battle trying to get the digital input display to
>match the analog input display?
>
>Any help appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>
>Dave
>
>--
>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
>
>Dave Reynolds Phone: (64) (3) 358 1029
>Senior Technical Author   Fax: (64) (3) 359 4632
>Tait Electronics Ltd  Email: dave.reynolds at tait.co.nz
>PO Box 1645
>Christchurch
>New Zealand
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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

As of tonight (June 19th), the HP Compaq web site still lists their 
top-end notebooks with Vista downgrade to Windows XP  as an optional OS.

My HP/Compaq nw8000 has given excellent service. The HP Compaq 8710w 
available now is a relatively costly computer but inexpensive when 
you consider its value with respect to salaries and time.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
***
At 01:06 PM 6/19/2008, Rene Stephenson wrote:
You're right, Dennis. I checked with an IT guru buddy who has done a 
lot of reworks of Vista machines when his clients got bitten by one 
of its bugs and wanted to roll back to XP, and he said it was a 
complete nightmare, every single time, and a couple of times was 
such a colossal headache that he just told the client to return the 
computer for a refund and buy an XP machine. He said if I go to a 
Vista box, I'd better be prepared to do it come what may without looking back.


Rene L. Stephenson


- Original Message 
From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Rene

Whatever you do, don't fall into the trap of buying a Windows-based 
laptop with VISTA installed on it, hoping to *upgrade* to Windows 
XP. In some cases, this is possible, but look into it first. With 
brand new hardware designed for VISTA, you may not be able to find 
XP-suitable drivers. Your best best (in the Windows arena) is to get 
one originally designed for XP, assuming of course that you choose 
to avoid VISTA.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
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How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

As of tonight (June 19th), the HP Compaq web site still lists their 
top-end notebooks with "Vista downgrade to Windows XP"  as an optional OS.

My HP/Compaq nw8000 has given excellent service. The HP Compaq 8710w 
available now is a relatively costly computer but inexpensive when 
you consider its value with respect to salaries and time.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
***
At 01:06 PM 6/19/2008, Rene Stephenson wrote:
>You're right, Dennis. I checked with an IT guru buddy who has done a 
>lot of reworks of Vista machines when his clients got bitten by one 
>of its bugs and wanted to roll back to XP, and he said it was a 
>complete nightmare, every single time, and a couple of times was 
>such a colossal headache that he just told the client to return the 
>computer for a refund and buy an XP machine. He said if I go to a 
>Vista box, I'd better be prepared to do it come what may without looking back.
>
>
>Rene L. Stephenson
>
>
>- Original Message 
>From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer 
>
>Rene
>
>Whatever you do, don't fall into the trap of buying a Windows-based 
>laptop with VISTA installed on it, hoping to *upgrade* to Windows 
>XP. In some cases, this is possible, but look into it first. With 
>brand new hardware designed for VISTA, you may not be able to find 
>XP-suitable drivers. Your best best (in the Windows arena) is to get 
>one originally designed for XP, assuming of course that you choose 
>to avoid VISTA.
>
>Dennis Brunnenmeyer
>***

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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Rene

Whatever you do, don't fall into the trap of buying a Windows-based 
laptop with VISTA installed on it, hoping to *upgrade* to Windows XP. 
In some cases, this is possible, but look into it first. With brand 
new hardware designed for VISTA, you may not be able to find 
XP-suitable drivers. Your best best (in the Windows arena) is to get 
one originally designed for XP, assuming of course that you choose to 
avoid VISTA.

At one point earlier this Spring, Microsoft was considering extending 
their cutoff date for XP beyond June 30th because of the uproar from 
the business community. I guess that must not have happened, but 
before you sink money into a VISTA-only machine, I'd double-check the 
validity of that rumor.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
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At 06:51 AM 6/19/2008, Rene Stephenson wrote:
Hi All,

My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so 
it's getting time to start the process of identifying the next 
workhorse for me. (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very 
heavily. Any testimonials of your laptop successes are more than welcome!)

I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out, 
and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping 
with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that 
will entail. Frankly, I don't have time to spend 30 minutes per 
product just to load the software and get it functional by jumping 
through all the hoops required now. I get that it's piracy 
protection, and I get the concept and am not trying to circumvent 
any copyright laws, but it really just feels like my time and purse 
are being taxed because of other people's lack of ethics.

I have some friends who have moved to the Mac platform for their 
laptops, and they swear by them. All the IT gurus I know swear by 
Unix/Linux and open source development. But, then I get the cold 
water splashing in the face: the majority of my computer use is work 
related, and the majority of that work is done in FrameMaker, and FM 
seems viable only in PC world.

Am I missing something, or is this really the trap it seems to be? 
If I'm going to continue working with clients whose environment, 
architecture, workflow, and staffing all revolve around FrameMaker, 
am I forced to concede to all the baggage that comes with the PC 
world? Or is there a viable way to use FrameMaker on a new Apple 
laptop/notebook/etc., or on a Linux laptop, seamlessly with FM files 
saved by and shared with FM PC users? I can't risk hosing anything 
in these single-sourced shared-file environments...!

Thanks in advance,


Rene L. Stephenson
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How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Rene

Whatever you do, don't fall into the trap of buying a Windows-based 
laptop with VISTA installed on it, hoping to *upgrade* to Windows XP. 
In some cases, this is possible, but look into it first. With brand 
new hardware designed for VISTA, you may not be able to find 
XP-suitable drivers. Your best best (in the Windows arena) is to get 
one originally designed for XP, assuming of course that you choose to 
avoid VISTA.

At one point earlier this Spring, Microsoft was considering extending 
their cutoff date for XP beyond June 30th because of the uproar from 
the business community. I guess that must not have happened, but 
before you sink money into a VISTA-only machine, I'd double-check the 
validity of that rumor.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
***
At 06:51 AM 6/19/2008, Rene Stephenson wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so 
>it's getting time to start the process of identifying the next 
>workhorse for me. (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very 
>heavily. Any testimonials of your laptop successes are more than welcome!)
>
>I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out, 
>and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping 
>with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that 
>will entail. Frankly, I don't have time to spend 30 minutes per 
>product just to load the software and get it functional by jumping 
>through all the hoops required now. I "get" that it's piracy 
>protection, and I "get" the concept and am not trying to circumvent 
>any copyright laws, but it really just feels like my time and purse 
>are being taxed because of other people's lack of ethics.
>
>I have some friends who have moved to the Mac platform for their 
>laptops, and they swear by them. All the IT gurus I know swear by 
>Unix/Linux and open source development. But, then I get the cold 
>water splashing in the face: the majority of my computer use is work 
>related, and the majority of that work is done in FrameMaker, and FM 
>seems viable only in PC world.
>
>Am I missing something, or is this really the trap it seems to be? 
>If I'm going to continue working with clients whose environment, 
>architecture, workflow, and staffing all revolve around FrameMaker, 
>am I forced to concede to all the baggage that comes with the PC 
>world? Or is there a viable way to use FrameMaker on a new Apple 
>laptop/notebook/etc., or on a Linux laptop, seamlessly with FM files 
>saved by and shared with FM PC users? I can't risk hosing anything 
>in these single-sourced shared-file environments...!
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>
>Rene L. Stephenson
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Re: best graphic type to use for WINhelp4

2008-06-08 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

At 12:34 PM 6/7/2008, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
For screenshots,
use the same resolution at which they were taken, 96DPI; more or
less will result in unreadable text.

Where does the 96DPI figure come from?

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best graphic type to use for WINhelp4

2008-06-08 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

At 12:34 PM 6/7/2008, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
>For screenshots,
>use the same resolution at which they were taken, 96DPI; more or
>less will result in unreadable text.

Where does the "96DPI" figure come from?

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Re: anchored frame alignment with insertion point

2008-05-31 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Aravind...

Consider using the free plug-in called refIcons for this sort of 
thing. It's available here. Be sure to get the CudSpanDocs.pdf file 
as well. Once installed and set up, it should do exactly what you 
want every time.

http://www.freeframers.org/freeware/cud/

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At 11:52 AM 5/31/2008, Aravindhan T S wrote:
Sorry guys for the delay.

Here is the link.
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1892/anchoredframeas7.png

Thanks for all the help.

Aravind

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Stuart Rogers 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Aravindhan T S wrote:
 
  Hi All,
 
  i'm trying to find out a method to have the anchored frame which is
  inserted
  at insertion point to come aligned over the text.
 
  please see the attached image.
 
  As of now, i'm manually resizing the anchored frame to acheive this.
 
  As the anchored frame uses the paragraph tag, which is being used, can we
  set this so that it comes out properly at the first place?
 
  Thanks,
  Aravind
 
 
  Aravind,
 
  The list server strips out attachments, and your description of the problem
  is unclear.
 
  Please either re-post your message with a better description of what you
  are trying to do, or if you like, send me your image off-list and 
 I will try
  to help.
 
  best regards,
 
  --
  Stuart Rogers
  Technical Communicator
  Phoenix Geophysics Limited
  Toronto, ON, Canada
  +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
 
  srogers phoenix-geophysics com
 
  A man's screech should exceed his rasp, or what's a violin for?
 
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anchored frame alignment with insertion point

2008-05-31 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Aravind...

Consider using the free plug-in called refIcons for this sort of 
thing. It's available here. Be sure to get the CudSpanDocs.pdf file 
as well. Once installed and set up, it should do exactly what you 
want every time.

http://www.freeframers.org/freeware/cud/

Dennis Brunnenmeyer...
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At 11:52 AM 5/31/2008, Aravindhan T S wrote:
>Sorry guys for the delay.
>
>Here is the link.
>http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1892/anchoredframeas7.png
>
>Thanks for all the help.
>
>Aravind
>
>On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Stuart Rogers <
>srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com> wrote:
>
> >  Aravindhan T S wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> i'm trying to find out a method to have the anchored frame which is
> >> inserted
> >> at insertion point to come aligned over the text.
> >>
> >> please see the attached image.
> >>
> >> As of now, i'm manually resizing the anchored frame to acheive this.
> >>
> >> As the anchored frame uses the paragraph tag, which is being used, can we
> >> set this so that it comes out properly at the first place?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Aravind
> >>
> >
> > Aravind,
> >
> > The list server strips out attachments, and your description of the problem
> > is unclear.
> >
> > Please either re-post your message with a better description of what you
> > are trying to do, or if you like, send me your image off-list and 
> I will try
> > to help.
> >
> > best regards,
> >
> > --
> > Stuart Rogers
> > Technical Communicator
> > Phoenix Geophysics Limited
> > Toronto, ON, Canada
> > +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
> >
> > srogers phoenix-geophysics com
> >
> > "A man's screech should exceed his rasp, or what's a violin for?"
> >
> > --another Rogers Original
> >
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Re: Basic question- Visio to Frame

2008-05-29 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Milan, et al ...

 When I had to do this (a couple of years ago), I was advised to 
save the Visio diagram as a .wmf file, and then import that.

I've had all kinds of text/font related problems trying to use *.wmf 
files created by Visio in the past. Perhaps things have improved 
since, but I often found text from diagrams had shifted or was 
missing altogether. *.emf files were better but not better enough.

I use Illustrator instead.

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At 11:50 AM 5/29/2008, Milan Davidovic wrote:
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If I were you, I'd print to a PDF from Visio or SaveAs a graphic
  format from Visio and import the resulting file as a referenced file.

When I had to do this (a couple of years ago), I was advised to save
the Visio diagram as a .wmf file, and then import that.

--
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Basic question- Visio to Frame

2008-05-29 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Milan, et al ...

 >>When I had to do this (a couple of years ago), I was advised to 
save the Visio diagram as a .wmf file, and then import that.<<

I've had all kinds of text/font related problems trying to use *.wmf 
files created by Visio in the past. Perhaps things have improved 
since, but I often found text from diagrams had shifted or was 
missing altogether. *.emf files were better but not better enough.

I use Illustrator instead.

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>On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Art Campbell  
>wrote:
> > If I were you, I'd print to a PDF from Visio or SaveAs a graphic
> > format from Visio and import the resulting file as a referenced file.
>
>When I had to do this (a couple of years ago), I was advised to save
>the Visio diagram as a .wmf file, and then import that.
>
>--
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RE: Haven't we learnt anything about usability?

2008-05-19 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Just so everyone on this list has an idea of what 
one alternative method of posting to a list looks 
like, I've included the principle headers from 
another list to which I subscribe. Mind you, my 
subscription is set up to receive digests 
several times daily rather than individual 
postings as they are sent to the list server. A 
digest contains a collection of postings, 
concatenated down the page. A typical digest will 
contain from 2 to 12 postings, each basically an 
email message sent by the posting member. I do 
not recommend using digests; I just include the 
header information to show what the Reply-To: and From: lines look like.

One possibly major disadvantage of this method of 
posting is the latency involved. That is, a 
posting may not appear for several hours, whereas 
direct email may be quickerperhaps near 
instantaneous. I don't recall how quickly 
individual postings appeared prior to when I 
changed over to a digest format. Timeliness may 
be a good reason for leaving things the way they are.

The FOLKDJ-L subscriber list comprises folk music 
artists, radio DJs that play folk music, 
publicity agents, record label staffers and so 
on. It is used to share radio program playlists 
and occasionally to make announcements of one kind or another.

This list is a LISTSERV list. I suppose MAILMAN could do something similar:

Date:  Mon, 19 May 2008 11:57:29 -0400
Reply-To: Folk and Bluegrass DJs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sender: Folk and Bluegrass DJs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: FOLKDJ-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FOLKDJ-L - 19 May 2008 - Special issue (#2008-427)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Note that a Reply to any message in the digest is a Reply to the list.

Dennis...

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Haven't we learnt anything about usability?

2008-05-19 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer

Just so everyone on this list has an idea of what 
one alternative method of posting to a list looks 
like, I've included the principle headers from 
another list to which I subscribe. Mind you, my 
subscription is set up to receive "digests" 
several times daily rather than individual 
postings as they are sent to the list server. A 
digest contains a collection of postings, 
concatenated down the page. A typical digest will 
contain from 2 to 12 postings, each basically an 
email message sent by the posting member. I do 
not recommend using digests; I just include the 
header information to show what the Reply-To: and From: lines look like.

One possibly major disadvantage of this method of 
posting is the latency involved. That is, a 
posting may not appear for several hours, whereas 
direct email may be quicker?perhaps near 
instantaneous. I don't recall how quickly 
individual postings appeared prior to when I 
changed over to a digest format. Timeliness may 
be a good reason for leaving things the way they are.

The FOLKDJ-L subscriber list comprises folk music 
artists, radio DJs that play folk music, 
publicity agents, record label staffers and so 
on. It is used to share radio program playlists 
and occasionally to make announcements of one kind or another.

This list is a LISTSERV list. I suppose MAILMAN could do something similar:

Date:  Mon, 19 May 2008 11:57:29 -0400
Reply-To: Folk and Bluegrass DJs 
Sender: Folk and Bluegrass DJs 
From: FOLKDJ-L <lists...@lists.psu.edu>
Subject: FOLKDJ-L - 19 May 2008 - Special issue (#2008-427)
To: FOLKDJ-L at LISTS.PSU.EDU

Note that a Reply to any message in the digest is a Reply to the list.

Dennis...

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Re: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))

At least one major email list that I subscribe to uses LISTSERV email 
list management software. In this scheme, one posts messages to a 
LISTSERV-powered server which in turn redistributes the posting to 
all of the subscribers, either as individual email messages or in 
digest format, comprising from 2 to 10 messages, give or take a few.

The paradigm is different with LISTSERV than it is with FrameUsers, 
at least the way it is applied to the other lists to which I 
subscribe. The sender is a server (a machine) and not one of the list 
members (an individual.)

As Z correctly points out, your email client is responsible for 
applying the Reply and Reply to All functions, not the list server or 
the person that sent the email in the first place. One only need look 
at who the email message is from to understand what your Reply and 
Reply to All buttons will do. Is it from a List Server or an individual?

With LISTSERV the way I've seen it used, a Reply sends a reply to the 
entire list. Mind you, I've seen numerous message intended for 
personal consumption posted this way. Both paradigms have common 
drawbacks if misused. If you wish a different paradigm, such as that 
offered by LISTSERV, you can learn more about it here:

http://lists.psu.edu/

By the way, Penn State University (USA) apparently hosts numerous 
public-use lists like the one I subscribe to for folk music DJs and 
artists. I'm not certain, but someone may need to be a student or 
employee at PSU to initiate and use their services to support a 
LISTSERV email list.

I should probably also point out that LISTSERV list management 
software is now a product of L-Soft. You can learn a lot more about 
LISTSERV email list management software 
here;  http://www.lsoft.com/products/listserv-powered.asp

I have no financial or personal ties to either PSU or L-Soft. These 
comments are mere observations.

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At 09:44 AM 5/16/2008, Art Campbell wrote:
I believe this is the default Mailman set up, usually used to reduce
the risk of the email loops that Jeremy already mentioned.

Art

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Paul Findon wrote (in part):
 
  Hedley is not asking for a reply-to-all. What he, I and, no doubt,
  others want is reply-to-list. In other words, when you click your
  Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list.
 
  I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and
  Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way.
  Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the
  addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped
  many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will
  naturally be more careful and double-check the To address.
 
  FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them
  basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers.
  Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the
  poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little
  crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists.
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Re: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update NowAvailable (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))

Paul

Although I subscribe to both types of mail lists, I never noticed 
the difference regarding the presence or absence of the Reply To: 
field and the way that my email client responds to its absence or 
presence. Thanks for pointing this out.

Dennis...
*
At 12:34 PM 5/16/2008, Paul Findon wrote:
Mailman (the mailing list manager used for Framers), LISTSERV, Yahoo
Groups, and other mailing list programs allow the list owner to
specify whether or not message replies are sent to the list (normal,
IMHO) or sender only. If it's list, the mailing list program
automatically adds a Reply-To field to the headers of messages sent
out to subscribers that contains the list address, and when they
click Reply in their e-mail client, the Reply-To address is used. If
there's no Reply-To field, as is the case with Framers, the e-mail
client uses the address in the From field.

If you take a look at the headers of messages from other groups that
you subscribe to, it's likely that you'll see a Reply-To field. Look
at the headers of Framers messages, on the hand, and you won't.

I'm currently on eight lists. Seven of them add a Reply-To field so
that replies go the list. Framers is the odd one out.

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Director of Engineering
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Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710
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default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))

At least one major email list that I subscribe to uses LISTSERV email 
list management software. In this scheme, one posts messages to a 
LISTSERV-powered server which in turn redistributes the posting to 
all of the subscribers, either as individual email messages or in 
digest format, comprising from 2 to 10 messages, give or take a few.

The paradigm is different with LISTSERV than it is with FrameUsers, 
at least the way it is applied to the other lists to which I 
subscribe. The sender is a server (a machine) and not one of the list 
members (an individual.)

As "Z" correctly points out, your email client is responsible for 
applying the Reply and Reply to All functions, not the list server or 
the person that sent the email in the first place. One only need look 
at who the email message is from to understand what your Reply and 
Reply to All buttons will do. Is it from a List Server or an individual?

With LISTSERV the way I've seen it used, a Reply sends a reply to the 
entire list. Mind you, I've seen numerous message intended for 
personal consumption posted this way. Both paradigms have common 
drawbacks if misused. If you wish a different paradigm, such as that 
offered by LISTSERV, you can learn more about it here:

http://lists.psu.edu/

By the way, Penn State University (USA) apparently hosts numerous 
public-use lists like the one I subscribe to for folk music DJs and 
artists. I'm not certain, but someone may need to be a student or 
employee at PSU to initiate and use their services to support a 
LISTSERV email list.

I should probably also point out that LISTSERV list management 
software is now a product of L-Soft. You can learn a lot more about 
LISTSERV email list management software 
here;  http://www.lsoft.com/products/listserv-powered.asp

I have no financial or personal ties to either PSU or L-Soft. These 
comments are mere observations.

Dennis...
**
At 09:44 AM 5/16/2008, Art Campbell wrote:
>I believe this is the default Mailman set up, usually used to reduce
>the risk of the email loops that Jeremy already mentioned.
>
>Art
>
>On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Fred Ridder  wrote:
> >
> > Paul Findon wrote (in part):
> >
> >> Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt,
> >> others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your
> >> Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list.
> >>
> >> I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and
> >> Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way.
> >> Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the
> >> addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped
> >> many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will
> >> naturally be more careful and double-check the To address.
> >
> > FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them
> > basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers.
> > Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the
> > poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little
> > crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists.
> > _
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> > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount
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default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update NowAvailable (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))

Paul

Although I subscribe to "both types" of mail lists, I never noticed 
the difference regarding the presence or absence of the "Reply To:" 
field and the way that my email client responds to its absence or 
presence. Thanks for pointing this out.

Dennis...
*
At 12:34 PM 5/16/2008, Paul Findon wrote:
>Mailman (the mailing list manager used for Framers), LISTSERV, Yahoo
>Groups, and other mailing list programs allow the list owner to
>specify whether or not message replies are sent to the list (normal,
>IMHO) or sender only. If it's list, the mailing list program
>automatically adds a "Reply-To" field to the headers of messages sent
>out to subscribers that contains the list address, and when they
>click Reply in their e-mail client, the Reply-To address is used. If
>there's no Reply-To field, as is the case with Framers, the e-mail
>client uses the address in the From field.
>
>If you take a look at the headers of messages from other groups that
>you subscribe to, it's likely that you'll see a Reply-To field. Look
>at the headers of Framers messages, on the hand, and you won't.
>
>I'm currently on eight lists. Seven of them add a Reply-To field so
>that replies go the list. Framers is the odd one out.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Director of Engineering
CEDAR RIDGE SYSTEMS
15019 Rattlesnake Road
Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710
Office: (530) 477-9015
Fax:  (530) 477-9085
Mobile: (530) 320-9025
eMail:  dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com

RE: Questions about look and feel

May I suggest that the native resolution of the reader's display 
device, the graphic card resolution setting, the display brightness 
and other user settings or choices regarding their CRT or LCD display 
has at least as much to do with the legibility, reader comfort and 
reader retention when reading on-screen text as does the use of serif 
or sans-serif fonts.

Unfortunately, the wide range of display variables cannot be 
controlled by the document publisher.

Another factor detracting from the usability of documents (the feel 
part of look and feel) is the overuse of cross-references that 
require a reader to jump back and forth too many times in order to 
assimilate a train of thought that ought to be presented in a linear 
fashion. Just because you can do it doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Cedar Ridge Systems
**
  At 11:33 AM 5/12/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems that the resolution on paper (no pixels) would be crisper than on
screen. So to me the serif fonts would be too cluttery on screen.
Cheers,
Dan--Ft. Lauderdale



Kelly, this is the best description I've seen so far on why serif fonts
might be easier to read on the printed page.

It doesn't seem to address, though, why serif fonts might NOT be ideal
on the screen.  I suspect that the simpler forms are easier to read in
the constant light emitted from an electronic display, but that isn't
stated precisely...

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RE: Questions about look and feel

Kelly...

The second sentence below is more or less true only for LCD displays. 
It is not true for CRT displays. The electron beam in a CRT cannot 
illuminate individual pictures on the CRT face. It merely brushes 
across them, through what is known as a shadow mask, with a 
not-perfectly-defined beam size. That's why even good CRT displays 
seem soft after having used a good LCD display for a while.

The last sentence is definitely not true, although the chance of it 
being valid are better if the native resolution of an LCD display 
matches the display resolution of the graphics adapter. If the 
graphics card setting does not match the native resolution of the 
monitor, aliasing artifacts in the viewed image can cause greater 
legibility issues with fonts, especially small ones.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Cedar Ridge Systems.
*
At 12:27 PM 5/12/2008, Kelly McDaniel wrote:
On the computer display, the characters and background are formed from
pixels. Pixels have smooth, parallel edges that enclose their color.
Sans serif fonts appear crispier on the display because the character
edge is more likely to mate with a pixel edge.

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Director of Engineering
CEDAR RIDGE SYSTEMS
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Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710
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RE: Questions about look and feel

In a very recent post, I included an unfortunate typographical error. 
The sentence below has been corrected.

Dennis...
***
At 12:41 PM 5/12/2008, Dennis Brunnenmeyer wrote:

The electron beam in a CRT cannot illuminate individual pictures 
pixels on the CRT face. It merely brushes
across them, through what is known as a shadow mask, with a 
not-perfectly-defined beam size.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Cedar Ridge Systems.
*
At 12:27 PM 5/12/2008, Kelly McDaniel wrote:
 On the computer display, the characters and background are formed from
 pixels. Pixels have smooth, parallel edges that enclose their color.
 Sans serif fonts appear crispier on the display because the character
 edge is more likely to mate with a pixel edge.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Director of Engineering
CEDAR RIDGE SYSTEMS
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Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710
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RE: Questions about look and feel

Well, I did make the correction to the typo, but it seems as though 
this list server doesn't support features such as text strikeout, 
colored or bold text. What a shame. At any rate, THIS TIME the 
sentence reads correctly. I'll repeat it here for clarity;

The electron beam in a CRT cannot illuminate individual pixels on the 
CRT face. It merely brushes
across them, through what is known as a shadow mask, with a 
not-perfectly-defined beam size.

Comment:  Pixels as discussed in this manner, as you probably know, 
are actually made of three adjacent picture elements, each generating 
a different color: red, green and blue. This grouping of three 
elements comprises a triad, one pixel. When I say that a CRT cannot 
illuminate individual pixels, what I am saying is that with a CRT 
display, the illumination of individual pixels is not a perfect 
process. The dynamics of an analog interface/electron beam deflection 
system/shadow mask/phosphor CRT can only closely approximate what the 
video card wants it to display.

Enough of this off-topic stuff. The whole point I was trying to make 
earlier is that the viewer's monitor type and display settings 
affects the readability of text just as much (I think) as the choice 
of fonts. We can only choose the latter. Any studies on screen 
readability need to take this into account. I suspect that if the 
display system is a good, high resolution display properly 
configured, serif fonts would continue to be preferable. With lesser 
quality displays, I suspect the opposite.

Amazon's Kindle apparently uses both serif and sans serif fonts.

Dennis...

At 03:30 PM 5/12/2008, Dennis Brunnenmeyer wrote:
In a very recent post, I included an unfortunate typographical error.
The sentence below has been corrected.

Dennis...
***
At 12:41 PM 5/12/2008, Dennis Brunnenmeyer wrote:

The electron beam in a CRT cannot illuminate individual pixels on 
the CRT face. It merely brushes
across them, through what is known as a shadow mask, with a 
not-perfectly-defined beam size.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Cedar Ridge Systems.
 *
 At 12:27 PM 5/12/2008, Kelly McDaniel wrote:
  On the computer display, the characters and background are formed from
  pixels. Pixels have smooth, parallel edges that enclose their color.
  Sans serif fonts appear crispier on the display because the character
  edge is more likely to mate with a pixel edge.
 
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 Director of Engineering
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 Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710
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 Fax:  (530) 477-9085
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Questions about look and feel

May I suggest that the native resolution of the reader's display 
device, the graphic card resolution setting, the display brightness 
and other user settings or choices regarding their CRT or LCD display 
has at least as much to do with the legibility, reader comfort and 
reader retention when reading on-screen text as does the use of serif 
or sans-serif fonts.

Unfortunately, the wide range of display variables cannot be 
controlled by the document publisher.

Another factor detracting from the usability of documents (the "feel" 
part of look and feel) is the overuse of cross-references that 
require a reader to jump back and forth too many times in order to 
assimilate a train of thought that ought to be presented in a linear 
fashion. Just because you can do it doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Cedar Ridge Systems
**
  At 11:33 AM 5/12/2008, Dan.Gallagher at ametek.com wrote:
>It seems that the resolution on paper (no pixels) would be crisper than on
>screen. So to me the serif fonts would be too cluttery on screen.
>Cheers,
>Dan--Ft. Lauderdale
>
>
>
>Kelly, this is the best description I've seen so far on why serif fonts
>might be easier to read on the printed page.
>
>It doesn't seem to address, though, why serif fonts might NOT be ideal
>on the screen.  I suspect that the simpler forms are easier to read in
>the constant light emitted from an electronic display, but that isn't
>stated precisely...
>
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Questions about look and feel

Kelly...

The second sentence below is more or less true only for LCD displays. 
It is not true for CRT displays. The electron beam in a CRT cannot 
illuminate individual pictures on the CRT face. It merely "brushes" 
across them, through what is known as a shadow mask, with a 
not-perfectly-defined beam size. That's why even good CRT displays 
seem "soft" after having used a good LCD display for a while.

The last sentence is definitely not true, although the chance of it 
being valid are better if the native resolution of an LCD display 
matches the display resolution of the graphics adapter. If the 
graphics card setting does not match the native resolution of the 
monitor, aliasing artifacts in the viewed image can cause greater 
legibility issues with fonts, especially small ones.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Cedar Ridge Systems.
*
At 12:27 PM 5/12/2008, Kelly McDaniel wrote:
>On the computer display, the characters and background are formed from
>pixels. Pixels have smooth, parallel edges that enclose their color.
>Sans serif fonts appear crispier on the display because the character
>edge is more likely to mate with a pixel edge.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Director of Engineering
CEDAR RIDGE SYSTEMS
15019 Rattlesnake Road
Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710
Office: (530) 477-9015
Fax:  (530) 477-9085
Mobile: (530) 320-9025
eMail:  dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com

Questions about look and feel

In a very recent post, I included an unfortunate typographical error. 
The sentence below has been corrected.

Dennis...
***
At 12:41 PM 5/12/2008, Dennis Brunnenmeyer wrote:

>The electron beam in a CRT cannot illuminate individual pictures 
>pixels on the CRT face. It merely "brushes"
>across them, through what is known as a shadow mask, with a 
>not-perfectly-defined beam size.
>
>Dennis Brunnenmeyer
>Cedar Ridge Systems.
>*
>At 12:27 PM 5/12/2008, Kelly McDaniel wrote:
> >On the computer display, the characters and background are formed from
> >pixels. Pixels have smooth, parallel edges that enclose their color.
> >Sans serif fonts appear crispier on the display because the character
> >edge is more likely to mate with a pixel edge.
>
>Dennis Brunnenmeyer
>Director of Engineering
>CEDAR RIDGE SYSTEMS
>15019 Rattlesnake Road
>Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710
>Office: (530) 477-9015
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RE: What is a text inset?

Fred...

I have used FrameMaker on and off for several years. However, I've
never taken advantage of text insets. So I too have several questions:

Must the source text be located only in another FrameMaker file?

Does it require a special text frame in the target document, or can
it be placed in-line in the main flow, say Flow A, in the target document?

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
**
At 12:31 PM 5/2/2008, Fred Ridder wrote:

N. Jain asked:

I am learning FrameMaker 7.1. I have many times coming across
posts mentioning text insets. I am confused. What is a text inset
and how to insert it? Is a text insert different from a text frame?
Please pardon me if my question sounds foolish.

A text inset is a text flow that is contained in some external
FrameMaker file and that is inserted by reference rather than
by copying. It is exactly parallel to inserting the contents of
an external graphic file by reference rather than by copying
and pasting.

Text insets offer an advantage when you have chunks of text
that appear in multiple places, either in the same book or in
different books, but need to have the same content in all
instances. You maintain one master copy of the content and
insert it by reference in any file that needs it. This can be
particularly useful for things like legal boilerplate (disclaimer
paragraphs, trademark acknowledgements, etc.), common
notices or warnings, or any piece of description that is used
in multiple places. Another advantage is that the appearance
of the inset is determined by the style definitions in each
different file that references the inset; you may have the same
text from the same source file with markedy different appearance
in different books.

Note that I referred to an inset as a text _flow_ that is inserted
by reference. In many cases may be convenient to have each
inset in its own FrameMaker file, but there may be cases where
it's more convenient to use multi-flow files to contain multiple
separate inset chunks. For example, you may have one file that
contains a half-dozen named flows, each of which contains a
different warning paragraph.

-Fred Ridder

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Re: Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

As far as I know, the previous suggestion of simply saving the Word 
file as in HTML format is as simple and as *accurate* as you can get. 
I can't imagine why one would need a third-party utility or a screen 
shot application to do this, but then my imagination is limited to 
personal experiences. Try it.

At 01:05 PM 5/2/2008, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
 BTW: does anyone know of a similar utility that can pull graphics out of MS
 Word documents?

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Re: Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

Jeremy...

You may very well be correct, especially with vector-based images. 
The document I was working with only had JPEG images of rather 
complex equipment. When I saved the document as HTML, the original, 
uncropped high-resolution JPEGs were there for the taking.

Since the client did not have the originals, this seemed like manna 
from heaven.

Dennis...

At 05:24 PM 5/2/2008, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
On Fri, 02 May 2008 13:45:07 -0700, Dennis Brunnenmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As far as I know, the previous suggestion of simply saving the Word
 file as in HTML format is as simple and as *accurate* as you can get.
 I can't imagine why one would need a third-party utility or a screen
 shot application to do this, but then my imagination is limited to
 personal experiences. Try it.

LOL!  For many purposes, the save-as-HTML method may be adequate.
But it *is* more-or-less lossy, compared to the internal WMF Word
retains, depending on the original format of the image.

For vector images imported into Word, the loss is major, as the
vector elements (such as equations, for example) are converted
to bitmaps (GIF or JPEG) as part of the save-as-HTML process.
Text becomes fuzzy, thin lines break up, sharp edges lose some
definition.

For images that were originally bitmaps, the loss comes from the
resampling Word does when creating the output bitmaps at screen
resolution.  If the original was also at screen resolution, the
resampling errors may have only minor consequences (text harder
to read), but if it was at print resolution, the loss is worse
(from 300dpi down to 96dpi), resulting in ugly printed images.

All that can be avoided by extracting the internal WMF images
(which can include both bitmap and vector components) from
the Word RTF file directly.  That's what exwmf.exe does.  And
since it is fully functional in the demo version of Mif2Go, at:
   http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm
it is *free*, with our blessings.  What's not to like?  ;-)

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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What is a text inset?

Fred...

I have used FrameMaker on and off for several years. However, I've 
never taken advantage of text insets. So I too have several questions:

Must the source text be located only in another FrameMaker file?

Does it require a special text frame in the target document, or can 
it be placed in-line in the main flow, say Flow A, in the target document?

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
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At 12:31 PM 5/2/2008, Fred Ridder wrote:

>N. Jain asked:
>
> > I am learning FrameMaker 7.1. I have many times coming across 
> posts mentioning text insets. I am confused. What is a text inset 
> and how to insert it? Is a text insert different from a text frame? 
> Please pardon me if my question sounds foolish.
>
>A text inset is a text flow that is contained in some external
>FrameMaker file and that is inserted by reference rather than
>by copying. It is exactly parallel to inserting the contents of
>an external graphic file by reference rather than by copying
>and pasting.
>
>Text insets offer an advantage when you have chunks of text
>that appear in multiple places, either in the same book or in
>different books, but need to have the same content in all
>instances. You maintain one master copy of the content and
>insert it by reference in any file that needs it. This can be
>particularly useful for things like legal "boilerplate" (disclaimer
>paragraphs, trademark acknowledgements, etc.), common
>notices or warnings, or any piece of description that is used
>in multiple places. Another advantage is that the appearance
>of the inset is determined by the style definitions in each
>different file that references the inset; you may have the same
>text from the same source file with markedy different appearance
>in different books.
>
>Note that I referred to an inset as a text _flow_ that is inserted
>by reference. In many cases may be convenient to have each
>inset in its own FrameMaker file, but there may be cases where
>it's more convenient to use multi-flow files to contain multiple
>separate inset chunks. For example, you may have one file that
>contains a half-dozen named flows, each of which contains a
>different warning paragraph.
>
>-Fred Ridder
>
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Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

As far as I know, the previous suggestion of simply saving the Word 
file as in HTML format is as simple and as *accurate* as you can get. 
I can't imagine why one would need a third-party utility or a screen 
shot application to do this, but then my imagination is limited to 
personal experiences. Try it.

At 01:05 PM 5/2/2008, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
> >BTW: does anyone know of a similar utility that can pull graphics out of MS
> >Word documents?

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Director of Engineering
CEDAR RIDGE SYSTEMS
15019 Rattlesnake Road
Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710
Office: (530) 477-9015
Fax:  (530) 477-9085
Mobile: (530) 320-9025
eMail:  dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com

Extracting copied-in graphics from documents