Re: [Framers] TOC issue

[Lise Bible]

Tammy,
I have no Frame advice to offer (I am sure you've tried everything I would
have tried, and I'd be equally frustrated in your situation), but as a
workaround, can you manually create these links in Acrobat after the fact?
To be clear, you shouldn't HAVE to do this, but in a pinch...

Good luck!
-Lise

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 9:36 AM tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com <
tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:

> Hi Craig,
>
> No there is no difference in the character formatting between these five
> entries and any of the other same type of entries in the TOC.
>
> All the EquationCaption  paragraph tags are formatted identically without
> any overrides or additional character settings.
>
> But if you have any other ideas or thoughts I would definitely welcome
> them.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.
>
> > On Dec 17, 2021, at 8:23 AM, Craig Ede  wrote:
> >
> > Is there any kind of character formatting at the beginning of these 5
> lines being used for the TOC?
> >
> > Craig Ed
> >
> > 
> > From: Framers 
> on behalf of tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com <
> tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 8:48 AM
> > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com 
> > Subject: [Framers] TOC issue
> >
> > OK,
> >
> >
> >
> > Me again, but I have done everything that I can think of doing to solve
> this
> > issue BEFORE I posted and I am at a loss.  I have a book for which I am
> > generating a TOC. I have selected the necessary paragraph tags for the
> TOC
> > and generated. All the entries in the TOC are functioning as hyperlinks
> as
> > they should with the exception of 5 specific entries. They are deader
> than a
> > door nail. The first TOC entry above this set of five entries is an
> active
> > hyperlink and the first TOC entry below this group of 5 is also an active
> > hyperlink.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have done the following:
> >
> >
> >
> > 1.  Deleted this specific text in the book and re-entered it.
> > 2.  Confirmed that there is no override to any of these tags - the
> text
> > is EquationCaption w/out any overrides (No asterisk is showing for them.)
> > 3.  Turned on all conditional text settings and generated the book to
> > check and see if there was something buried in the hidden text that was
> > causing the issue, but even w/ all the conditions turned on, I still have
> > the issue.
> > 4.  Added the same kind of tag (an Equation Caption) directly above
> and
> > directly below the section of five that are giving me fits and
> regenerated
> > and the tag above and below are indeed hyperlinks but these 5 remain
> > stubbornly dead.
> > 5.  All the equations are PDFs in this book, so I assumed that maybe
> > there was a graphic issue, so I deleted the five relevant graphics and
> > regenerated and again, the links are still dead.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am at a loss at this point. It is just this one small section in an
> > otherwise large and graphic-laden manual, so there's nothing common about
> > this issue that I can compare to other sections in this book as no other
> > sections are giving me this problem.
> >
> >
> >
> > I would welcome any and all suggestions, insight, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > TVB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Tammy Van Boening
> >
> > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> >
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

[Lise Bible]

Tammy, that sounds hair-tearingly-out frustrating!
I don't have any brilliant technical clues to help you, but would it be
just as fast (e.g., slow) to use Snag-It to capture the equation in Word
when it's on-screen, and save that?
If you're already opening the exported images from Word in Snag-it, would
that save a step?
Or does that not result in any great advantage or better resolution? I
don't have Snag-it on this computer so I don't know what the image
resolution options are when capturing.

Good luck!
Lise

On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 5:32 PM  wrote:

> I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations are
> being
> created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation editor. The
> .docx
> file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the equations in the
> document are automatically saved as .pngs in a separate folder named as
> image.(n), where n is the image number.  I double-click an equation in this
> folder to automatically open the equation in my image editor (SnagIT - I
> don't need anything as heavy as Photoshop as I am not doing any
> modifications to the equations) and save the equation without any changes
> to
> it whatsoever with a new name. I then import the image into Framemaker by
> reference.   I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I select it for
> import - any image in the folder that was created during the saving of the
> Word file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog box when
> I select it for import and although this seems nutty to me (because none of
> the images are over-sized). . . they look clear and crisp in the source FM
> file (The Advanced Properties of any image in SnagIT is also showing a
> resolution of 96 dpi);  however, upon generation of the PDF, it goes to
> h*ll
> in a handbasket. The equation looks almost as if the font is almost bold
> and
> therefore much darker than the text in the FM source file, and it's not
> nearly as crisp and clear as in the source FM document - it actually looks
> blurry/pixelated.
>
>
>
> Initially, the font that was  being used in the equations is Cambria Math,
> Size 14 with a default color of black without any lightening of the color.
> (The font that is being used in the book is also set to a default color of
> black without any lightening of the color.) I tried lightening the font
> color by different percentages in the Word document and then regenerated
> the
> equations as graphics, and that helps a bit, but overall, these graphics
> are
> just not nearly as crisp as they need to be in the final PDF.  Any other
> graphics that were taken as a capture and then imported by reference as
> PNG
> are as crisp as I am used to in FM.
>
>
>
>
>
> I am just at a loss for how to get this cleared up, but it's absolutely
> mandatory that I get this problem resolved because the whole focus of the
> book is the equations.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts are sincerely appreciated.
>
>
>
> TVB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Framers] version numbering and document control

[Lise Bible]

Hello, Framers,
Historically (I inherited this system) the manuals for my company have
listed the month and year as the revision. And that has worked ok, except
when more than one update needed to happen within a month. And my boss
wants me to switch to a numbered revision system.

But what has me stymied is, what number do I start with? It doesn't really
make sense to me to start at 1 because some of these manuals are now 10
years old and have had multiple revisions/updates.

Any advice?

(My boss also wants me to implement some kind of document control system, a
la what we do with engineering drawings in Autodesk Vault but that's a
secondary step and one I have not figured out yet. He has said he wants to
put manuals in Vault like the drawings are, and I'm still not sure how well
that would work. I could see maybe uploading pdfs, but I'm thinking doing
this with the frame files would get messy.)

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[Framers] Frame 2019 Version: 15.0.4.751...current?

[Lise Bible]

Framers,
This feels like a dumb question, but I haven't been able to find an answer
elsewhere. I have installed Frame 2019 on a new hard drive. If I choose
Help>Updates from my menu, it runs the updater and says my app is up to
date. And if I choose Help>About, I see it listed as Version: 15.0.4.751.

And yet, there is a product updates button on the welcome screen, and it
looks like there are 4 updates for Frame 2019.
https://supportdownloads.adobe.com/product.jsp?product=22=Windows

Do I trust the updater? Is 15.0.4.751 the latest version?

(I had previously used Frame 8, and those updates were a more manual
process, hence my confusion.)

Thanks,
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[Framers] Frame 2019 & Creative Cloud (Acrobat DC) order of install?

[Lise Bible]

Framers,
I am getting a hard drive Monday, so all software will need to be
reinstalled. I'm on Frame 2019 and Creative Cloud on Windows 10.

Last time I got a new hard drive I was on Frame 8 and Acrobat 9 and if I
recall correctly, the recommendation was to install Frame before Acrobat;
is this still the case with Frame 2019? Should I have Frame 2019
installed before
Creative Cloud (including Acrobat DC), or does it matter?

My chat with Adobe was not super-helpful to me in this regard as the person
with whom I was chatting thought that Frame 2019 was part of Creative Cloud
and could be installed through the Creative Cloud app. Would be nice if
that was the case, but alas, no.

My initial question to them was about needing to deactivate my current install
of Frame before installing on a different hard drive, and they did inform
me that I should sign out of my account on Frame before installing it on a
new hard drive, so that part of the answer was helpful to me. My inquiry
about order of install (in regards to Acrobat) was a follow-up question.

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Re: [Framers] How do you identify an advanced Framemaker user?

[Lise Bible]

I don't think I've got any "advanced Frame" ideas to add, but Bernard, your
Word list example made me chuckle.
-Lise


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Bernard Aschwanden <
bern...@publishingsmarter.com> wrote:

> Lin: Consider making a list of why Word annoys you and share it with others
> internally or on the list here.
>
> For example:
>
> 1. Numbering
>a. Restarting and continuing lists
>b. Subordinate lists
> 4. Resetting numbering
>c. within lists
>d. between lists
> 5. Just get me FM
>
>
>
>
> As for Advanced Users: First off, is it an advanced user who creates
> content
> as an author or one who builds templates? Or even one who has to work with
> structure and build/maintain the EDD?
>
> In all cases, a few things to think about or ask them about:
>
> Do they know about this discussion list?
> How long have they used FM?
> Can they define what a reference page, master page, and body page is and
> does?
> Do they know what text frames and text lines are?
> Do they import images by reference?
> Can they troubleshoot numbering (see the above sample)?
> How do they manage paragraph or character tags?
> Can they import formats between documents?
> How do they propose to deal with a document that has manual overrides in
> it?
> Can they generate a book, TOC, and IX file from templates without guidance?
> Is there something that YOU learn from them about the tool?
> How did they learn FM?
>
> That's a short list from me. Oh, and add in this one: Have them teach you a
> feature (even if you know it) and see what their workflow is.
>
> Bernard
>
> PS. I also used to ask for a cover letter and resume in FM format. Serious
> users provided me with a way to gauge how they use the tool for a document
> that may have unique challenges. I got to see their approach to tags, empty
> paragraphs, watermarks, variables, or whatever else they felt like putting
> into it. A great insight.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> [mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com
> ]
> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 9:27 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> Subject: Re: [Framers] How do you identify an advanced Framemaker user?
>
> That's WORD users who do that!
>
> (Finally back in the workforce, currently using Word because until
> yesterday I was a contractor, not an employee. Hoping they get me Frame
> soon, because Word is driving me right up a tree.)
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:29 AM, Art Campbell 
> wrote:
>
> > Advanced FM users usually have kind of a 1000 yard stare...
> > And may have little square marks on their faces from banging their heads
> on
> > the keyboard.
> >
> >
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> > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Robert Lauriston  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > If I had a badly maintained FrameMaker book with a lot of cruft on the
> > > reference pages, inconsistent styles, and so on, I'd ask them to
> > > identify problems and say how they'd clean them up.
> > >
> > > I'd ask to see one or more templates they'd created and have them
> > > detail the process of creating a new book from them.
> > >
> > > Actually, the first thing I'd suggest would be to consider whether
> > > it's time to move on from FrameMaker.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Carol J. Elkins
> > >  wrote:
> > > > Over the next couple of years, I need to help my major client find
> and
> > > train
> > > > an in-house replacement for me as I wind down my freelance practice.
> > They
> > > > will not consider an independent contractor next time, so it may be
> > > harder
> > > > to recruit and identify someone with the required skills. I've built
> 20
> > > > years of documentation for this client in unstructured Framemaker,
> and
> > > > managing these thousands of documents and books depends less on
> someone
> > > > being a good technical writer than being an excellent Framemaker
> user.
> > > >
> > > > For those of you who are corporate employers, I'd like to know how
> you
> > > > screen candidates to identify those who truly are advanced Framemaker
> > > users.
> > > > Is there a test you employ? Do you ask them to build a template from
> > > > scratch? Are there certifications that you require? Do you use a
> > > recruiting
> > > > service? How would you locate qualified candidates (in addition to
> > > posting
> > > > to Frameusers)?
> > > >
> > > > Note that I am NOT recruiting; that is still a few years down the
> road
> > > 8-).
> > > > I just need to start thinking about the best way to replace myself.
> My
> > > > 

Re: [Framers] DWG in FrameMaker

[Lise Bible]

Stefan,
No, we're using pdf or wmf, not dwg.
-Lise

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Stefan Gentz  wrote:

> Hi Framers,
>
> a quick poll:
>
> Are you using AutoCAD DWG files in your FrameMaker documents? I'm not
> talking about DXF files, but AutoCAD native AutoCAD DWG files. Or are you
> all using DXF files or PDF to reference drawings coming from AutoCAD?
>
> It would be great, if a lot of you would reply with a quick "Yes, we're
> actively using DWG files in our documents" or "No, we don't use DWG files,
> but DXF/PDF/"
>
>
> I'm looking forward to a lot of replies J
>
> Regards,
> Stefan Gentz
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Re: [Framers] [Loners] How do you guys abbreviate foot pounds and Newton meters when writing about torque settings?

[Lise Bible]

ft-lb and N·m

-Lise

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> Or write them out?
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Re: [Framers] Frame/Distiller Question

[Lise Bible]

Fred,
I'm going to be in the same boat (new computer) soon, so just to clarify
your recommendation:
Frame first
then Acrobat DC
(so that the newer Acrobat can replace whatever "headless" version of
distiller that Frame installs)
?

Thanks,
Lise

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:21 AM, Fred Ridder  wrote:

> I think you have it backward. What you want to avoid is letting FrameMaker
> replace the newer, full-featured version oif Distiller that comes with the
> Acrobat distribution with its older, headless Distiller.
>
> -FR
>
> 
> From: Framers 
> on behalf of Craig, Alison 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:24 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: [Framers] Frame/Distiller Question
>
> - Frame 12
> - unstructured
> - Windows 7 64 bit
>
>
> I am currently setting up my new computer and I'm trying to remember if
> you're supposed to install Frame or Acrobat (DC) first in order to ensure
> that the "headless" (correct term?) version of Distiller is not crushed by
> Acrobat.
>
> Can anyone enlighten me?
>
> Alison
>
>
>
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Re: [Framers] Question about differentiating heading levels

[Lise Bible]

Tammy,

We have decreasing font size for headers.

Heading 1: 16 pt bold, across all columns and side head
Heading 2: 14 pt bold, side head
Heading 3: 12 pt bold, in column
We sometimes go down to Heading 4, which is 10 pt bold italic, in column
Body text is 10 pt

May the Font Be With You.

Lise

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Stamm, David  wrote:

> 2017-01-23-01T21:25Z
>
> Tammy -
>
> In our "commercial" template, all headings are bold.
>
> We start Heading_1 at 24 pt.  Heading_2 is 16 pt.  Heading_3, 14 pt;
> Heading_4, 12 pt.
>
> We go down to Heading_4 but not further although we are sometimes asked to
> have headings five.
>
> Good luck
> Dave Stamm
> Information Engineer
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms.com@lists.
> frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
> Sent: 2017-01-23-Monday 16:11
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: [Framers] Question about differentiating heading levels
>
> Hi All,
>
> Working on a new template for a new client and my head is spinning. It's
> been sooo long since I have designed anything w/ all these required
> bells and whistles. (I am more of plain Jane template kinda' gal, and want
> to focus more on the technical content of big honking manual, but that's a
> whole 'nuther story.)
>
> That said, I have the following paragraph tags:
>
> Chapter Title and Appendix Title, both 28 pt and the tags have a Reference
> Graphic called TitleLine underneath them that is a single line done in a
> corporate color and font for my client and of a preferred width. These tags
> are used only on the first page of a chapter or appendix.
>
> HeadLev1, which is used at the Top of the Page. It is 24 pt. and in the
> same corporate font in Regular weight and in good old black w/out any other
> adornments and is In Column.
>
> HeadLev2, which can start anywhere, is obviously used after a HeadingLev1,
> is 16 pt and the same corporate font Regular weight in good old black
> w/out any other adornments and is In Column.
>
> I will need at times to have a HeadLev3. . . not frequent, but needed. It
> needs to be delineated somehow from HeadLev2. I am not really crazy about
> going down a font size, unless  maybe making it bold instead? Or do I keep
> it the same font size as HeadLevel 2 and maybe put like a thin double-line
> underneath it?
>
> I am just curious how y'all have made a distinct difference between
> Heading2s and Heading3s w/out overdoing a Heading3.
>
> Because I cannot have any sideheads in this template (a single text
> frame), everything is In Column, so I can't make everything other than a
> Heading3 go across columns/sideheads and keep the Heading3s just like
> Heading2s but make them  In Column instead (which is my usual approach).
>
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Re: [Framers] Windows XP versus Windows Explorer (Ding!)

[Lise Bible]

I'm on Win 7 64 bit, but if I'm trying to rename a folder and get that
message I will try changing the view in Windows Explorer first (before
resorting to a reboot). I like list or detail view as a default, but when I
change it to icons and try again, it often lets me rename the folder. Worth
a shot?
-Lise

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Martinek, Carla 
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> For the record, it happens from time to time on Win 7 64bit as well.
>
> -Carla
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+cmartinek=zebra.com@lists.
> frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ken Poshedly
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 1:27 PM
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> Subject: [Framers] Windows XP versus Windows Explorer (Ding!)
>
> Here's an annoyance where two "things" on my computer simply can't get
> along and I wonder if anyone here has any suggestions on how to stop this
> from happening.
>
> While my two coworkers use Windows 7, my own office platform is still
> chugging along nicely with Windows XP. This is because in the past, we had
> problematic FrameMaker files that crashed while being opened in Windows 7,
> but they opened smoothly on my platform. We all use FrameMaker 11 and all
> of our files are on a network drive. (We have never been able to figure out
> why they opened on my platform but not the others. And my company refuses
> to spend the few bucks on upgrading my operating system, a la "If it ain't
> broke, don't fix it.")
>
> Anyway, when we create a new FM book based on a previous one, we copy the
> pertinent old FM folder (along with its subordinate Insets folder of the
> various images) to a new location on our network drive.
>
> Because the default name of the graphics folder is "Insets", and I don't
> want the new FM file to reference the old Insets folder, I try to rename
> that old one something else ("Insets - Temp" or whatever) until I have
> successfully opened the new FM file to correctly reference the new Insets
> folder at the new location.
>
> Confused yet? I hope not. Anyway . . .
>
> More often than not, when I try to rename the old Insets folder, I get a
> pop-up box stating that no renaming can be done because another program is
> using this folder -- but it really ain't.
>
> I will close out every open program, re-open Windows Explorer and then
> once more try to rename the old Insets folder, but keep getting that
> nagging pop-up about another program using this folder.
>
> The final action is close out everything and do a system restart. That
> always works but it's a pain in the ass.
>
> Isn't there a keyboard shortcut or something else I can do to prevent this
> waste of my time (which obviously slows my productivity)?
>
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Re: Is there a way to get around the issue of a book not allowing the same file more than once?

[Lise Bible]

Instead of including it in the book, can you use it as as a text inset in
two different places, instead?
-Lise

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 Hi, guys...

 This probably isn't advisable, but it would make my life easier if FM11
 allowed the inclusion of the same file in more than one place in a book.

 Anyone accomplish something like this?

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Frame 8-compatible file format?

[Lise Bible]

Framers,
A little googling did not clarify anything for me, so I thought I'd ask
here.
I'm on Frame 8; none of the added features in subsequent releases seemed
relevant enough to me to justify upgrading (and it works fine for me on
Windows 7).
The issue I have is that I need to send some manuals out for quote to be
translated, and I want to make sure that the files they send back to me,
can be opened in Frame 8. (I figured it's better to clarify upfront, rather
than chance running into issues later. I have no idea what the translation
companies are able to provide, but Murphy dictates that if I don't clarify,
I'll run into issues.)

Now, I know you can't save a file opened in Frame 12 directly as a Frame
8-compatible file, but it looks like you can save as .mif--can that be
opened in Frame 8?
According to this thread, https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1379901, there
are two different MIF versions?
What format do I need to request they return, so that I can open the
translated files, once translated?

Thanks,
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Re: Frame 8-compatible file format?

[Lise Bible]

Thanks, Barbara!
And yes, I got to that link from a google search of framemaker 12 save as
framemaker 8 so I just copied and pasted that address, but when I click on
the link from my e-mail below, I can't get to it either. Weird.
Here it is the long way, via google:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=1cad=rjauact=8ved=0CC4QFjAAurl=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.adobe.com%2Fthread%2F1379901ei=YAusVK73O5b7apbNgYgLusg=AFQjCNEmBz8_NOBAwUe6aEJml4HRTut4Bwsig2=1lld3EvqIObHaVS4tVPRUg

Thanks,
Lise

On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Barbara Ash barb...@urgoal.com wrote:

 Lise,

 You need to request .mif 7, and they need to make sure to change the file
 extension to .mif when they save.

 By the way, the link you provided to the Adobe forum didn't work for me.

 Barbara Ash



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 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Lise Bible
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2015 08:05 AM
 *To:* Post Framers
 *Subject:* Frame 8-compatible file format?



 Framers,

 A little googling did not clarify anything for me, so I thought I'd ask
 here.

 I'm on Frame 8; none of the added features in subsequent releases seemed
 relevant enough to me to justify upgrading (and it works fine for me on
 Windows 7).

 The issue I have is that I need to send some manuals out for quote to be
 translated, and I want to make sure that the files they send back to me,
 can be opened in Frame 8. (I figured it's better to clarify upfront, rather
 than chance running into issues later. I have no idea what the translation
 companies are able to provide, but Murphy dictates that if I don't clarify,
 I'll run into issues.)



 Now, I know you can't save a file opened in Frame 12 directly as a Frame
 8-compatible file, but it looks like you can save as .mif--can that be
 opened in Frame 8?

 According to this thread, https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1379901, there
 are two different MIF versions?

 What format do I need to request they return, so that I can open the
 translated files, once translated?



 Thanks,

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Re: cross reference crash postscript

[Lise Bible]

Fred,
I am also running Frame 8 on Win 7 (but unstructured). I have not had your
cross-reference crashing problem, but I did have issues when I first moved
to my new computer--I did have crashing issues, but I don't know that there
was any consistent cause.
Once I got myself fully patched, though, it's been (mostly) fine.
So that would be my only suggestion. (I was re-installing Frame 8 from CD
(DVD? don't remember) so there had been a few patches after that initial
release.)
I'm at Version 8.0p277
-Lise


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 Xrefs work OK in regular FrameMaker. The problem is in Structured Frame,
 which of course, is what I am using. Uninstalling Framescript doesn't seem
 to make a difference. Saving a file as MIF and then opening it still
 crashes.

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Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems

[Lise Bible]

Fei Min,
I'm on Frame 8, so I have no solutions for Frame 10, but have you tried
using Windows Character Map (under ProgramsAccessoriesSystem Tools) as a
workaround? I was able to find and copy the ∞ symbol from there.
Not a terribly elegant solution, but an alternative to copy/paste from
Word...
-Lise


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Fei Min Lorente
feimin.lore...@onsemi.comwrote:

  I’m working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the
 infinity symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation,
 it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In
 any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was
 the Edit menu. I can’t find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to
 getting the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but
 seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation
 and insert the symbol?



 My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can’t
 use the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She
 gets other characters instead. She’s resorted to copying and pasting from
 Word, and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the
 information I’ve found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older.
 Can anyone tell me what to do for FrameMaker 10?



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Re: Compatibility of old(ish) Software with Windows 7

[Lise Bible]

I'm on Frame 8, which is only slightly newer than Carrie (who originally
asked the question, and is on Frame 7), and am using it with no problems*
on Windows 7, 64-bit.
*once I got it fully patched, as the re-install was from the original Frame
8 disk (I went from an XP machine to new Win 7 machine).
Note: if you are moving to a new machine, and re-installing the same
software, on your old machine, open Frame, and deactivate it before
installing it on your new machine (HelpDeactivate).

Sorry, I have no tips or tricks about what other software runs on Win 7 vs
XP, just figured I'd chime in about using an older version of Frame on Win
7.

Thanks,
Lise



On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:52 AM, Davis, David david.da...@invensys.comwrote:

 Personally I wouldn't do it that way - as you then don't get the
 advantages 64 bit windows offers with being able to address more RAM - in
 32 bit Windows you can only use a couple of GB. With a busy PC, big
 documents, big graphics, video etc you can easily use more than 2GB of
 memory.

 The pro editions of Windows 7 offer an XP Mode for running old
 applications (Basically it runs them inside a virtual machine of Windows XP
 - but transparently, once you've set it up, you just click the program's
 icon to launch it like any other, and it appears to be running in Windows
 7, and can access your Win7 filesystem seamlessly).  I've never yet
 encountered an application that couldn't work in XP mode like this, even 16
 bit (!) ones designed to run on Windows 3.1.

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 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 09:57:44 -0800
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Re: FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive: nightmare alley

[Lise Bible]

I recall that when I've had Frame files (that had been moved) looking for
graphics in a certain directory and couldn't find them, if I pointed the
first one to the correct directory, it found the rest in that same
directory.
Now, caveats being that in my case, the frame files and the graphics files
are both on sub-directories of the same network drive name, and all the
graphics files are in one folder, so I don't know if this works if it has
to navigate to the root of a different drive, as Fred references below.
-Lise

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I don't think this will work because Rob already has an H: drive, which is
 where his FM files are. You can't assign two drives (or two partitions) to
 the same letter.

 I think his only option is moving the directories to the drive letter that
 FrameMaker is expecting to use. But I'm not sure because I have *never*
 kept files for any FrameMaker project in more than one partition because I
 know that this practice forces FrameMaker to use absolute paths to the
 referenced files rather than relative paths. As much as possible (and it's
 not always possible when using any files that are shared among multiple
 documents) I have always kept all files for any given document in
 subdirectories within the same branch of my directory structure.

 -Fred Ridder

  Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 15:21:36 -0400
  From: jow...@magma.ca
  To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: Re: FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong
 drive: nightmare alley

 
  You may be able to change the letters assigned to your drives. See
 
 http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows7/ht/change-drive-letters-windows-7.htm
 
 
  On 2013-05-14 14:38, Rob Shell wrote:
   Dear Framers:
   I wonder if anyone out there has experienced this.
   I upgraded windows 7 32 bit to 64 bit.
   To do this I had to do a clean reinstall on the C: drive which meant
   reinstalling every single bit of software including TC4. No drives were
   reassigned or re-named.
   Everything went well -- and three days later -- I had my new 64 bit
 machine
   with 8 gigs of Ram. All this was done to facilitate one big 10,000 page
   annual pdf project.
   Finally I opened the book of books.
   Everything opened well but every single graphic (all referenced, all
 under
   250kb) was now referenced to the H: where the FM texts reside.
   However, all the graphics files really reside on the G: drive.
   So now I have 1,000 graphics files which are mis-referenced.
  
   My questions are
   How can I restore the proper drive letter in object properties?
   How did this happen?
   Has anybody experienced this?
   Is there anything else I can do
   Perhaps if I copy the G: directories to H: the problems will go away.
   Any ideas?
  
  
   Rob
  
   Rob Shell
   Windows Seven 64 bit
   TCS 4
   CS4
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   3 TB hd
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[Lise Bible]

I recall that when I've had Frame files (that had been moved) looking for
graphics in a certain directory and couldn't find them, if I pointed the
first one to the correct directory, it found the rest in that same
directory.
Now, caveats being that in my case, the frame files and the graphics files
are both on sub-directories of the same network drive name, and all the
graphics files are in one folder, so I don't know if this works if it has
to navigate to the "root" of a different drive, as Fred references below.
-Lise

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:

> I don't think this will work because Rob already has an H: drive, which is
> where his FM files are. You can't assign two drives (or two partitions) to
> the same letter.
>
> I think his only option is moving the directories to the drive letter that
> FrameMaker is expecting to use. But I'm not sure because I have *never*
> kept files for any FrameMaker project in more than one partition because I
> know that this practice forces FrameMaker to use absolute paths to the
> referenced files rather than relative paths. As much as possible (and it's
> not always possible when using any files that are shared among multiple
> documents) I have always kept all files for any given document in
> subdirectories within the same branch of my directory structure.
>
> -Fred Ridder
>
> > Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 15:21:36 -0400
> > From: jowens at magma.ca
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong
> drive: nightmare alley
>
> >
> > You may be able to change the letters assigned to your drives. See
> >
> http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows7/ht/change-drive-letters-windows-7.htm
> >
> >
> > On 2013-05-14 14:38, Rob Shell wrote:
> > > Dear Framers:
> > > I wonder if anyone out there has experienced this.
> > > I upgraded windows 7 32 bit to 64 bit.
> > > To do this I had to do a clean reinstall on the C: drive which meant
> > > reinstalling every single bit of software including TC4. No drives were
> > > reassigned or re-named.
> > > Everything went well -- and three days later -- I had my new 64 bit
> machine
> > > with 8 gigs of Ram. All this was done to facilitate one big 10,000 page
> > > annual pdf project.
> > > Finally I opened the book of books.
> > > Everything opened well but every single graphic (all referenced, all
> under
> > > 250kb) was now referenced to the H: where the FM texts reside.
> > > However, all the graphics files really reside on the G: drive.
> > > So now I have 1,000 graphics files which are mis-referenced.
> > >
> > > My questions are
> > > How can I restore the proper drive letter in object properties?
> > > How did this happen?
> > > Has anybody experienced this?
> > > Is there anything else I can do
> > > Perhaps if I copy the G: directories to H: the problems will go away.
> > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >
> > > Rob Shell
> > > Windows Seven 64 bit
> > > TCS 4
> > > CS4
> > > 4 GB RAM
> > > 3 TB hd
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: Paragraph Formats Alternate Reality

[Lise Bible]

Nancy,
I'm on Frame 8, and I'm not sure this is the solution to your problem, but
my company decided to standardize on Arial instead of the existing TNR, so
I've had to change fonts in my manuals.
I found that if I changed the font in the paragraph style, nothing changed,
but if I changed the default font in the character style, it would change.
(I opened Character Designer, clicked somewhere in the margin (to make sure
no text was selected), then changed the Family to Arial, making sure
everything else was set to As Is, then pressed Update All)

Now, this is because ALL text in my documents needed to change to Arial. If
you only need one paragraph style to change, this might not work for you.

Thanks,
Lise

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote:

 I'm using FM 10 on a Windows 7 system.

 I am trying to change the body text of a document from TimesNewRoman to
 Arial.

 I have tried two methods:

 1. Selected another file with the correct formats and used Import. I have
 done this at least 10,000 times in the past 20 years. It does not work.
 Nothing changes.

 2. Saved the file to .mif, opened it in Notepad, replaced TimesNewRoman
 with Arial, reopened in FrameMaker. Have done this not as many times, but
 many. Nothing changes.

 I've doublechecked directories and timestamps. All the files are coming
 from the correct locations.

 What the heck is going on? What am I missing???

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[Lise Bible]

Nancy,
I'm on Frame 8, and I'm not sure this is the solution to your problem, but
my company decided to standardize on Arial instead of the existing TNR, so
I've had to change fonts in my manuals.
I found that if I changed the font in the paragraph style, nothing changed,
but if I changed the default font in the character style, it would change.
(I opened Character Designer, clicked somewhere in the margin (to make sure
no text was selected), then changed the "Family" to Arial, making sure
everything else was set to As Is, then pressed "Update All")

Now, this is because ALL text in my documents needed to change to Arial. If
you only need one paragraph style to change, this might not work for you.

Thanks,
Lise

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Nancy Allison  wrote:

> I'm using FM 10 on a Windows 7 system.
>
> I am trying to change the body text of a document from TimesNewRoman to
> Arial.
>
> I have tried two methods:
>
> 1. Selected another file with the correct formats and used Import. I have
> done this at least 10,000 times in the past 20 years. It does not work.
> Nothing changes.
>
> 2. Saved the file to .mif, opened it in Notepad, replaced TimesNewRoman
> with Arial, reopened in FrameMaker. Have done this not as many times, but
> many. Nothing changes.
>
> I've doublechecked directories and timestamps. All the files are coming
> from the correct locations.
>
> What the heck is going on? What am I missing???
>
> Thanks!
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switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

[Lise Bible]

Fellow Framers,
I'm mostly a lurker, but have found the wealth of knowledge shared by this
list's members to be quite helpful!

I have a manual (I'm on Frame 8) in which I've used conditional text to
show/hide tables, text, parts lists depending on if it's for the American
market or European.
This manual originated for a US-made product so it started life with 8.5x11
(US-letter size) pages. And it didn't even occur to me that it might need
to be A4-sized for the European market.

Is there a good way to switch back and forth between A4 and 8.5x11 page
sizes, depending on which version of a book you want to print?

I have the sneaking suspicion that I will have to break this into two
separate books, but I figured I'd ask to see if anyone had recommendations.

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switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

[Lise Bible]

Fellow Framers,
I'm mostly a lurker, but have found the wealth of knowledge shared by this
list's members to be quite helpful!

I have a manual (I'm on Frame 8) in which I've used conditional text to
show/hide tables, text, parts lists depending on if it's for the American
market or European.
This manual originated for a US-made product so it started life with 8.5x11
(US-letter size) pages. And it didn't even occur to me that it might need
to be A4-sized for the European market.

Is there a good way to switch back and forth between A4 and 8.5x11 page
sizes, depending on which version of a book you want to print?

I have the sneaking suspicion that I will have to break this into two
separate books, but I figured I'd ask to see if anyone had recommendations.

Thanks,
Lise
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Framemaker 8 freezing with Win7, do Frame 8 patches apply to Win7?

[Lise Bible]

Fellow Framers, I am a longtime lurker, occasional poster. I've found this
list to be quite informative, so maybe you can help me out.

I'm using Frame 8.0p266 on a Windows 7 machine, 64-bit, 2.4GHz processor,
12GB of RAM.
I was running Frame 8 on my previous WinXP computer, with no issues, though
I do not recall if that one was patched; that computer has since been wiped
and given to a colleague, so there's no way to check.

But my Frame 8.0p266 has been doing the occasional freezing, i.e., it will
stop responding, and my only choice is to kill it, thereby losing work. I
think it happens when I'm selecting text, but I'm not entirely sure.

In doing some googling, I have discovered that there are existing patches
that are as-yet unapplied to my machine, per

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?platform=Windowsproduct=22

But when I choose HelpUpdates, Adobe Updater informs me that There are no
updates available at this time. Please note that some updates for the
following products cannot be determined at this time: Adobe Updater
And this seems odd to me because obviously there are newer patches. Is this
because I'm on Windows 7?

The system requirements for the updates I do not have (8p273 and 8p277),
list: Microsoft® Windows 2000, Windows XP, or Windows Vista® (trial
version not supported on Windows 2000), which specifically leaves out
Windows 7.

Now, is that because Win7 was not available when this patch was released,
or is it not compatible with Win7?

In general I understand being fully patched is a good idea, but I am
hesitant to try this if it's not happy with Win7.

Other potential fixes for my freezing include running as compatible with
WinXP SP3; but with the current security settings mandated by my corporate
overlords, I am unable to run Frame 8 as compatible with WinXP SP3 without
an administrator password, and that's not an option for me.
My helpful IT person did grant me full access to the FrameMaker8 sub-folder
on my hard drive, in case that was what was causing any issues (but I just
froze again, so evidently not).

So is patching my best hope? (Help me, Obi-Wan...)

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Re: Framemaker 8 freezing with Win7, do Frame 8 patches apply to Win7?

[Lise Bible]

Yes, but it says This download is for Adobe® FrameMaker® 8 customers who
are having problems upgrading to Microsoft® Windows® XP with Service Pack
3. so I assumed that would not apply to Windows 7...?

Thanks,
Lise


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 The most recent (7/15/2009) FM8 update is a ~650MB from-scratch
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[Lise Bible]

Fellow Framers, I am a longtime lurker, occasional poster. I've found this
list to be quite informative, so maybe you can help me out.

I'm using Frame 8.0p266 on a Windows 7 machine, 64-bit, 2.4GHz processor,
12GB of RAM.
I was running Frame 8 on my previous WinXP computer, with no issues, though
I do not recall if that one was patched; that computer has since been wiped
and given to a colleague, so there's no way to check.

But my Frame 8.0p266 has been doing the occasional freezing, i.e., it will
stop responding, and my only choice is to kill it, thereby losing work. I
think it happens when I'm selecting text, but I'm not entirely sure.

In doing some googling, I have discovered that there are existing patches
that are as-yet unapplied to my machine, per

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?platform=Windows=22

But when I choose Help>Updates, Adobe Updater informs me that "There are no
updates available at this time. Please note that some updates for the
following products cannot be determined at this time: Adobe Updater"
And this seems odd to me because obviously there are newer patches. Is this
because I'm on Windows 7?

The system requirements for the updates I do not have (8p273 and 8p277),
list: "Microsoft? Windows 2000, Windows XP, or Windows Vista? (trial
version not supported on Windows 2000)," which specifically leaves out
Windows 7.

Now, is that because Win7 was not available when this patch was released,
or is it not compatible with Win7?

In general I understand being fully patched is a good idea, but I am
hesitant to try this if it's not happy with Win7.

Other potential fixes for my freezing include running as compatible with
WinXP SP3; but with the current security settings mandated by my corporate
overlords, I am unable to run Frame 8 as compatible with WinXP SP3 without
an administrator password, and that's not an option for me.
My helpful IT person did grant me full access to the FrameMaker8 sub-folder
on my hard drive, in case that was what was causing any issues (but I just
froze again, so evidently not).

So is patching my best hope? (Help me, Obi-Wan...)

Thanks,
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Framemaker 8 freezing with Win7, do Frame 8 patches apply to Win7?

[Lise Bible]

Yes, but it says "This download is for Adobe? FrameMaker? 8 customers who
are having problems upgrading to Microsoft? Windows? XP with Service Pack
3." so I assumed that would not apply to Windows 7...?

Thanks,
Lise


On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

> The most recent (7/15/2009) FM8 update is a ~650MB from-scratch
> installer, not a patch update:
>
> http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=4549
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Re: Helping FM find graphics files

[Lise Bible]

Stab in the dark, as I'm not a Frame expert, but when I've encountered
this, when Frame tells me the graphic is missing and opens a dialog box
asking for me to indicate where the graphic is, if I find the first one, if
the rest of them are in the same folder, it'll re-link the rest of them.
I'm on Frame 8, don't know if it matters...

Thanks,
Lise

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Menahem Rosen menahem.ro...@objet.comwrote:

 **

 Framers,

 ** **

 I received translated .fm files (book file + several chapters) from my
 translation company. When I plunk them into my FM folder and try opening
 them, FM flags every referenced graphic file as “missing, because the path
 got messed up at the translation company. (It’s “almost” but not “just”
 right—my graphics folder is subordinate to the FM folder, while the
 translation company put the graphics folder on the same level as the FM
 folder.) Is there an easy way to re-map the references throughout the
 files. I just can’t do each one manually!

 ** **

 TIA

 ** **

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Ok, so here's a thought--can you make a copy of your whole original set of
files and graphic folders (untranslated), then delete the  fm files in
there, and copy and paste in the translated fm files? Would they then be
looking for the graphics in the right place?

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 They got the whole file structure to begin with. What I need to get back
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[Lise Bible]

Stab in the dark, as I'm not a Frame expert, but when I've encountered
this, when Frame tells me the graphic is missing and opens a dialog box
asking for me to indicate where the graphic is, if I find the first one, if
the rest of them are in the same folder, it'll re-link the rest of them.
I'm on Frame 8, don't know if it matters...

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> **
>
> Framers,
>
> ** **
>
> I received translated .fm files (book file + several chapters) from my
> translation company. When I plunk them into my FM folder and try opening
> them, FM flags every referenced graphic file as ?missing, because the path
> got messed up at the translation company. (It?s ?almost? but not ?just?
> right?my graphics folder is subordinate to the FM folder, while the
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Helping FM find graphics files

[Lise Bible]

Ok, so here's a thought--can you make a copy of your whole original set of
files and graphic folders (untranslated), then delete the  fm files in
there, and copy and paste in the translated fm files? Would they then be
looking for the graphics in the right place?

-Lise

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Re: Vertical line at right edge of graphics frame

[Lise Bible]

I'm on Frame 8.0p277, and I occasionally get that. I select the anchored
frame, set the pen to none (even though, yes, it's already set to none),
save, and re-save the book as pdf, and that usually resolves it.

Not that helpful, maybe, but that's my workaround. It only happens
occasionally to me...I just figured it was a pdf hiccup--guessed it might
have something to do with memory--seems to happen more when I have a lot of
other stuff open.
-Lise

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Writer generic...@yahoo.ca wrote:

 Another user had a very similar problem (
 http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2010-April/019885.html), but
 she resolved it by applying the (then) latest patch.

 According to your post, you are all patched up. Maybe it's worth checking
 to see if all of your patches were properly applied? *shrug*

 Nadine

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 *To:* Post Framers framers@lists.frameusers.com
 *Sent:* Friday, September 9, 2011 3:04:37 PM
 *Subject:* Vertical line at right edge of graphics frame

 Environment:
   TCS 2 (FrameMaker 9p255)
   Windows 7 (also seen in XP SP3)
   .png images created from CorelDraw X5 (also seen in screen captures done
 with Snagit 7—I know, it’s old)
   Images imported by reference to graphics frames anchored to a Body
 paragraph
   Image resolution typically 300 dpi (screen captures at 150 dpi)
   Image size varies, never larger than half a page

 Problem: A tin black or grey line appears along the right edge of some—not
 all—anchored frames. The line is not visible in FrameMaker, only when
 printed or saved as PDF using Adobe PDF printer.

 Does anyone have a solution to this problem?

 Thanks for your help,
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Vertical line at right edge of graphics frame

[Lise Bible]

I'm on Frame 8.0p277, and I occasionally get that. I select the anchored
frame, set the pen to "none" (even though, yes, it's already set to "none"),
save, and re-save the book as pdf, and that usually resolves it.

Not that helpful, maybe, but that's my workaround. It only happens
occasionally to me...I just figured it was a pdf hiccup--guessed it might
have something to do with memory--seems to happen more when I have a lot of
other stuff open.
-Lise

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Writer  wrote:

> Another user had a very similar problem (
> http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2010-April/019885.html), but
> she resolved it by applying the (then) latest patch.
>
> According to your post, you are all patched up. Maybe it's worth checking
> to see if all of your patches were properly applied? *shrug*
>
> Nadine
>
> --
> *From:* Beverly Robinson 
> *To:* Post Framers 
> *Sent:* Friday, September 9, 2011 3:04:37 PM
> *Subject:* Vertical line at right edge of graphics frame
>
> Environment:
>   TCS 2 (FrameMaker 9p255)
>   Windows 7 (also seen in XP SP3)
>   .png images created from CorelDraw X5 (also seen in screen captures done
> with Snagit 7?I know, it?s old)
>   Images imported by reference to graphics frames anchored to a Body
> paragraph
>   Image resolution typically 300 dpi (screen captures at 150 dpi)
>   Image size varies, never larger than half a page
>
> Problem: A tin black or grey line appears along the right edge of some?not
> all?anchored frames. The line is not visible in FrameMaker, only when
> printed or saved as PDF using Adobe PDF printer.
>
> Does anyone have a solution to this problem?
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> Thanks for your help,
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Re: Creating right tab with leader consisting of unbroken (mid) line [resend]

[Lise Bible]

Just off the top of my head...I''m not a Frame expert by any means, but
would a table work? 2 columns, 2 rows, put your text in the top right-most
cell, then straddle the two cells in that column. Make sure the paragraph
style for your text includes Cell Vertical Alignment= Middle, and make it
right-aligned. Then re-size the columns to the size of your text (you may
have to modify the default cell margins in Table Designer to get the
placement you need.)
Then for the left column, make the border between the two cells, whatever
weight of line you need, setting the rest of the ruling for the table to
none?

-Lise

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.comwrote:

 On FM 8, I can set an m-dash as the leading character for a right tab
 by inserting it in text and copy-and-pasting it into the Leading
 character field (or use Lester's character string). If the m-dashes
 don't connect, it'll be more complicated, but not bad. On the Font tab
 for the paragraph, set the spread to -20% to eliminate the gaps.

 This creates a problem though -- it'll also squish the text characters.

 To fix this, create a new character tag that has all properties set to
 As Is except the Spread -- which you leave at 0. Apply it to the text
 in your leading tag, and it should revert the text to normal
 appearance. You may be able to automate this using the Autonumbering
 tab to set the character tag -- I didn't test that part of it.

 Art

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 On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Michael Kerrisk
 michael.kerr...@googlemail.com wrote:
  Hello,
 
  I have a simple question (I think). I Would like to create a visual
  effect (that will be repeatedly used) where a some text on a line is
  tabbed to the right margin, and preceded by an unbroken line that sits
  at the mid-level of the characters in the text. Roughly it would look
  like this:
 
   -- mytext
 
  where the final t falls at the right margin. The idea is that the
  line should be unbroken (unlike my ASCII line above), as one might get
  by splicing together a series of en- or em-dashes.
 
  I can get something close to this effect using a Right Tab, and
  specifying the leader character as underscore (_):
 
    mytext
 
  But the problem is that the line falls at the bottom on the
  characters, when I want it in the middle.
 
  I don't seem to be able to specify an en- or em-dash as the leader
  character for the tab. But perhaps I missed something. Is this
  possible (and will it produce the result I want)? Failing that, is
  there another way of achieving the kind of effect I'm describing?
 
  I am using FrameMaker 7.2. (If what I'm wanting to do is possible only
  in a later version of FrameMaker, that would be interesting to know.)
 
  Thanks,
 
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Frame 9 save as to open in Frame 8?

[Lise Bible]

Quick question: A translation company from whom we're getting a quote is
asking if I can accept FM 9 files. I have FM 8, so I don't know what save as
options FM 9 has for compatibility...
I did a search on adobe's website, but didn't find a clear answer.

Should I ask them to save the files as .mif from FM9? Is that the best way
to go?

Thanks,
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Frame 9 save as to open in Frame 8?

[Lise Bible]

Quick question: A translation company from whom we're getting a quote is
asking if I can accept FM 9 files. I have FM 8, so I don't know what save as
options FM 9 has for compatibility...
I did a search on adobe's website, but didn't find a clear answer.

Should I ask them to save the files as .mif from FM9? Is that the best way
to go?

Thanks,
Lise

Re: OT: Cannot extract text from PDF

[Lise Bible]

I'm not an Acrobat expert by any means, but have you tried OCR Text
Recognition? I'm on Acrobat 8, and for me, that's Document  OCR Text
Recognition  Recognize Text Using OCR...
I think it's available in Acrobat 7, but I'm not sure.
Have used it occasionally to varying degrees of success.

Figured it might be worth a shot.

-Lise

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.comwrote:

 Well, at least you've got it down to a font problem.

 If you don't have access to a Mac that may have the missing fonts, you
 may want to try a third-party tool, such as:
 http://www.pdftodocconverterpro.com/ which at least gives you a free
 trial.

 But if you can't find a Mac and the converters don't work, you
 probably need to start typing.

 Art

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  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



 On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Shuttleworth, Roger
 roger_shuttlewo...@tvworks.com wrote:
  Wow, that was worth a try! However...
 
  I reprinted the PDF to the Adobe PDF printer. No problems. The file
 displays OK.
 
  I tried Save As RTF from the redistilled version and got an informative
 message:
 
  Acrobat was able to make this document accessible but found the
 following oddities:
 
  Some font(s) missing information needed to determine the characters that
 correspond to the symbols (glyphs) in the font. [90 of 90 glyphs (Apple
  Chancery)]
 
  [I wonder what accessible means in this context? I'm none too familiar
 with Accessibility settings, but when I tried a Full Check it said, All of
  the text in this document lacks a language specification. But perhaps
 I'm barking up the wrong tree here.]
 
  Apple Chancery is indeed an embedded subset in the original PDF.
  The resultant RTF is rather interesting but of no use to me. It consists
 of all caps, and a sample appears below:
 
 ___'YYUIOGZK_SKSHKXY_YNGRR_HK_SKSHKXY_UL_ZNK_V[HROI_UX_;=5_LGI[RZ___]NU_NG\K_
 GT_OTZKXKYZ_OT_GZZKTJOTM_')+_SKKZOTMY_GTJ_VXUMXGSY_
 
  Saving as text produces similar all-cap text.
 
  It's beginning to look as though I'll have to retype the doc...the
 original source doc is lost (not by me, I might add!).
 
  Roger
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: knowhow...@gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
 Peter Gold
  Sent: March 10, 2009 1:08 PM
  To: Shuttleworth, Roger
  Cc: Art Campbell; framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: Re: OT: Cannot extract text from PDF
 
  Have you tried:
 
  * Copy/Paste
  * Printing to PDF from Acrobat Pro, then trying to extract text by Save
 As?
 
  HTH
 
  Regards,
 
  Peter Gold
  KnowHow ProServices
 
  On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Shuttleworth, Roger
  roger_shuttlewo...@tvworks.com wrote:
  Thanks for your help.
 
  I can save other PDFs without a problem.
  My Acrobat version is Acrobat Pro 7.1.0.
  The Application was AppleWorks. The PDF Producer is Mac OSX 10.3.9
 Quartz PdfContext according to the Document Properties window. There seems
 to be
  nothing else interesting in the metadata, and no security applied.
 
  Roger
 
  -Original Message-
  From: knowhow...@gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
 Peter Gold
  Sent: March 10, 2009 12:47 PM
  To: Art Campbell
  Cc: Shuttleworth, Roger; framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: Re: OT: Cannot extract text from PDF
 
  I have  a PDF that was created using Mac OSX 10.3.9. It displays fine
 on my Windows XP SP3 machine, but I cannot extract the text and create a
  Word
  doc. When I try Save As, I get nothing produced except an error:
 
 
 
  Bad PDF; could not read page structure. Bad PDF; error in processing
 fonts: cannot find CMAP resource file [33]
 
  If the PDF was made using Mac's Preview application, this could be the
 problem;
  check document info for Creator.
 
  If you get the same error when trying to Save As with all documents,
  the Acrobat installation may be corrupted.
 
 
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OT: Cannot extract text from PDF

[Lise Bible]

I'm not an Acrobat expert by any means, but have you tried OCR Text
Recognition? I'm on Acrobat 8, and for me, that's Document > OCR Text
Recognition > Recognize Text Using OCR...
I think it's available in Acrobat 7, but I'm not sure.
Have used it occasionally to varying degrees of success.

Figured it might be worth a shot.

-Lise

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Art Campbell wrote:

> Well, at least you've got it down to a font problem.
>
> If you don't have access to a Mac that may have the missing fonts, you
> may want to try a third-party tool, such as:
> http://www.pdftodocconverterpro.com/ which at least gives you a free
> trial.
>
> But if you can't find a Mac and the converters don't work, you
> probably need to start typing.
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
>   art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>   DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Shuttleworth, Roger
>  wrote:
> > Wow, that was worth a try! However...
> >
> > I reprinted the PDF to the Adobe PDF printer. No problems. The file
> displays OK.
> >
> > I tried Save As RTF from the redistilled version and got an informative
> message:
> >
> > "Acrobat was able to make this document accessible but found the
> following oddities:
> >
> > Some font(s) missing information needed to determine the characters that
> correspond to the symbols (glyphs) in the font. [90 of 90 glyphs (Apple
> > Chancery)]"
> >
> > [I wonder what "accessible" means in this context? I'm none too familiar
> with Accessibility settings, but when I tried a Full Check it said, "All of
> > the text in this document lacks a language specification." But perhaps
> I'm barking up the wrong tree here.]
> >
> > Apple Chancery is indeed an embedded subset in the original PDF.
> > The resultant RTF is rather interesting but of no use to me. It consists
> of all caps, and a sample appears below:
> >
> ___'YYUIOGZK_SKSHKXY_YNGRR_HK_SKSHKXY_UL_ZNK_V[HROI_UX_;=5_LGI[RZ___]NU_NG\K_
> GT_OTZKXKYZ_OT_GZZKTJOTM_')+_SKKZOTMY_GTJ_VXUMXGSY_
> >
> > Saving as text produces similar all-cap text.
> >
> > It's beginning to look as though I'll have to retype the doc...the
> original source doc is lost (not by me, I might add!).
> >
> > Roger
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: knowhowpro at gmail.com [mailto:knowhowpro at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Peter Gold
> > Sent: March 10, 2009 1:08 PM
> > To: Shuttleworth, Roger
> > Cc: Art Campbell; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: OT: Cannot extract text from PDF
> >
> > Have you tried:
> >
> > * Copy/Paste
> > * Printing to PDF from Acrobat Pro, then trying to extract text by Save
> As?
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Peter Gold
> > KnowHow ProServices
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Shuttleworth, Roger
> >  wrote:
> >> Thanks for your help.
> >>
> >> I can save other PDFs without a problem.
> >> My Acrobat version is Acrobat Pro 7.1.0.
> >> The Application was AppleWorks. The PDF Producer is Mac OSX 10.3.9
> Quartz PdfContext according to the Document Properties window. There seems
> to be
> >> nothing else interesting in the metadata, and no security applied.
> >>
> >> Roger
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: knowhowpro at gmail.com [mailto:knowhowpro at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Peter Gold
> >> Sent: March 10, 2009 12:47 PM
> >> To: Art Campbell
> >> Cc: Shuttleworth, Roger; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> >> Subject: Re: OT: Cannot extract text from PDF
> >>
>  I have  a PDF that was created using Mac OSX 10.3.9. It displays fine
> on my Windows XP SP3 machine, but I cannot extract the text and create a
> > Word
>  doc. When I try Save As, I get nothing produced except an error:
> 
> 
> 
>  Bad PDF; could not read page structure.  fonts: cannot find CMAP resource file> [33]
> >>
> >> If the PDF was made using Mac's Preview application, this could be the
> problem;
> >> check document info for Creator.
> >>
> >> If you get the same error when trying to Save As with all documents,
> >> the Acrobat installation may be corrupted.
> >>
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Re: FrameMaker Internal Error -- Visio and ...lost image data

[Lise Bible]

I had similar error messages with Frame files with OLE links to Excel
spreadsheets, but mostly randomly--sometimes I had the Excel file open by
mistake, and that might have triggered it, I'm not sure. I could never find
the exact cause. Was running Frame 7.1 on XP, SP2.

A colleague told me she got those errors all the time (same OLE links to
Excel files). She's going to be upgrading to Frame 8, but she's getting a
new computer as well, so there are too many variables there to narrow down
one cause if it ends up fixing her problem.

Have upgraded to Frame 8, still XP, SP2. Haven't had it that long, but I
haven't had any error messages so far. Doesn't mean that the upgrade fixed
the problem, though.

Using PDF's or graphics isn't a good fix for me, because we're linking to
parts lists that appear in the product manual and a separate parts book for
the entire product line. The advantage of OLE links to the Excel files is
that it's always linked to the latest and greatest version.

So thanks for the heads-up about SP3. I don't know if our IS dept. will be
rolling that out soon or not. Fortunately, I don't believe there are any
imminent plans to upgrade us to Vista.

-Lise

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 If you search back through the archives and/or visit the Frame user's
 forum on Adobe.com, you'll see that this has been a pretty common
 topic since Microsoft released SP3 for XP. They included some security
 fixes to OLE that have effectively broken it, at least as far as
 managing objects in Frame go.

 Only reported fix is backing out of SP3.

 Or you can convert the Visio objects to PDF, PNG, or other graphic
 files and import them by reference.

 May want to nag Microsoft some, if you think that would have an effect. ;-
 )

 Of course, if you're not using XP and haven't installed SP3, something
 else is at work, but I didn't see any system or FM version details in
 your post. Which would be important in solving the problem if it is
 something else.

 Art

 On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Brian Weis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Yesterday, I encountered this error in FM:  An internal error occurred
  while writing imported graphics in this document. The file has been
 saved,
  but has lost some image data. Please report this error to Adobe Technical
  Support.
 
 
  I close the error dialog, and then try to close the file ... but I am
  prompted once again to save it before closing. I am now in a loop until I
  break the cycle by clicking No in the save prompt. Contrary to the
 error
  message's statement that the file has been saved, I find that none of my
  changes, text or otherwise, are in the file. With a little more work, I
 am
  able to determine that a Visio object must be the culprit.
 

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FrameMaker Internal Error -- Visio and "...lost image data"

[Lise Bible]

I had similar error messages with Frame files with OLE links to Excel
spreadsheets, but mostly randomly--sometimes I had the Excel file open by
mistake, and that might have triggered it, I'm not sure. I could never find
the exact cause. Was running Frame 7.1 on XP, SP2.

A colleague told me she got those errors all the time (same OLE links to
Excel files). She's going to be upgrading to Frame 8, but she's getting a
new computer as well, so there are too many variables there to narrow down
one cause if it ends up fixing her problem.

Have upgraded to Frame 8, still XP, SP2. Haven't had it that long, but I
haven't had any error messages so far. Doesn't mean that the upgrade fixed
the problem, though.

Using PDF's or graphics isn't a good fix for me, because we're linking to
parts lists that appear in the product manual and a separate parts book for
the entire product line. The advantage of OLE links to the Excel files is
that it's always linked to the latest and greatest version.

So thanks for the heads-up about SP3. I don't know if our IS dept. will be
rolling that out soon or not. Fortunately, I don't believe there are any
imminent plans to upgrade us to Vista.

-Lise

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Art Campbell 
wrote:

> If you search back through the archives and/or visit the Frame user's
> forum on Adobe.com, you'll see that this has been a pretty common
> topic since Microsoft released SP3 for XP. They included some security
> fixes to OLE that have effectively broken it, at least as far as
> managing objects in Frame go.
>
> Only reported fix is backing out of SP3.
>
> Or you can convert the Visio objects to PDF, PNG, or other graphic
> files and import them by reference.
>
> May want to nag Microsoft some, if you think that would have an effect. ;-
> )
>
> Of course, if you're not using XP and haven't installed SP3, something
> else is at work, but I didn't see any system or FM version details in
> your post. Which would be important in solving the problem if it is
> something else.
>
> Art
>
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Brian Weis 
> wrote:
> > Yesterday, I encountered this error in FM:  "An internal error occurred
> > while writing imported graphics in this document. The file has been
> saved,
> > but has lost some image data. Please report this error to Adobe Technical
> > Support."
> >
> >
> > I close the error dialog, and then try to close the file ... but I am
> > prompted once again to save it before closing. I am now in a loop until I
> > break the cycle by clicking "No" in the save prompt. Contrary to the
> error
> > message's statement that the file has been saved, I find that none of my
> > changes, text or otherwise, are in the file. With a little more work, I
> am
> > able to determine that a Visio object must be the culprit.
> 
>
> --
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> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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FrameMaker vs. InDesign CS3

[Lise Bible]

I currently create manuals in FrameMaker for the products that are
manufactured at this location. Deliverable is pdf and printed matter.

I've been using unstructured FrameMaker 7.1 on Win XP and the marketing
department has been using InDesign CS2 on Win XP. They're planning to
upgrade to CS3.

I've been asked by the Marketing Manager to investigate whether InDesign CS3
would meet my needs as a replacement for FrameMaker for product manuals so
we could all be on the same platform. I think if I made the case that there
would be serious functionality lost, he wouldn't have a big problem with me
staying with Frame, but I think he's leaning toward standardizing on ID
unless I can make the case otherwise.

Things of concern to me that I can do in Frame but not sure about ID:
cross-references, conditional text, auto-numbering.
Conditional text isn't a deal-killer for me; I've used it in a few manuals,
but it's not something I couldn't do without if it wasn't available.
Cross-references (see figure x on page x, see heading on page x) are
currently used extensively. Wouldn't want to do without those.
Auto numbering (esp. of figures (x+1): currently used extensively. Wouldn't
want to do without that either.

I've done some google searching and the closest I've come to a comparison is
this, but it's a little dated (and refers to OSX)
http://www.fm4osx.org/comp.html

There was a discussion of this a while back (last Feb, I think) here on the
frameusers forum, but I don't think it covered any new features that may
have been included in ID CS3 as opposed to CS2.

The version comparison chart on the Adobe site
(there's a link to a pdf here:
http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/upgrade/)
lists automated bullets and numbering, but I don't know if that will
accommodate what I currently accomplish in Frame with a Figure paragraph
format for the figure label which inserts the next consecutive figure number
automatically.

Has anyone used InDesign CS3 and can give me any insights?
If not available in ID, are there 3rd-party plug-ins for ID that would
accomplish any of these with some kind of elegance and ease?

Thanks,
Lise Bible
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FrameMaker vs. InDesign CS3

[Lise Bible]

I currently create manuals in FrameMaker for the products that are
manufactured at this location. Deliverable is pdf and printed matter.

I've been using unstructured FrameMaker 7.1 on Win XP and the marketing
department has been using InDesign CS2 on Win XP. They're planning to
upgrade to CS3.

I've been asked by the Marketing Manager to investigate whether InDesign CS3
would meet my needs as a replacement for FrameMaker for product manuals so
we could all be on the same platform. I think if I made the case that there
would be serious functionality lost, he wouldn't have a big problem with me
staying with Frame, but I think he's leaning toward standardizing on ID
unless I can make the case otherwise.

Things of concern to me that I can do in Frame but not sure about ID:
cross-references, conditional text, auto-numbering.
Conditional text isn't a deal-killer for me; I've used it in a few manuals,
but it's not something I couldn't do without if it wasn't available.
Cross-references (see figure x on page x, see heading on page x) are
currently used extensively. Wouldn't want to do without those.
Auto numbering (esp. of figures (x+1): currently used extensively. Wouldn't
want to do without that either.

I've done some google searching and the closest I've come to a comparison is
this, but it's a little dated (and refers to OSX)
http://www.fm4osx.org/comp.html

There was a discussion of this a while back (last Feb, I think) here on the
frameusers forum, but I don't think it covered any new features that may
have been included in ID CS3 as opposed to CS2.

The version comparison chart on the Adobe site
(there's a link to a pdf here:
http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/upgrade/)
lists automated bullets and numbering, but I don't know if that will
accommodate what I currently accomplish in Frame with a "Figure" paragraph
format for the figure label which inserts the next consecutive figure number
automatically.

Has anyone used InDesign CS3 and can give me any insights?
If not available in ID, are there 3rd-party plug-ins for ID that would
accomplish any of these with some kind of elegance and ease?

Thanks,
Lise Bible

Re: Unavailable fonts issue

[Lise Bible]

If Paste Special  (as) Text doesn't work, what I do for text with
formatting I don't want to keep is to paste it into Notepad. I copy the
text, paste into Notepad, select all the text in Notepad, copy, then paste
into your desired document.
Notepad strips all the formatting.

Not as easy as it seems PureText would be, but fairly painless if you're
used to the standard Windows keyboard shortcuts (Ctrl-C, Ctrl-A, Ctrl-V).

-Lise

On Jan 3, 2008 2:49 AM, Diane Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Isabelle,

 I recently made an amazing discovery regarding elusive, unavailable
 fonts:

 If you copy and paste non-Frame, non-HTML information into your
 (unstructured, 7.2) Frame document, the information is copied into a
 text frame. In my documents, and perhaps in yours, the font specified is
 Times New Roman, which isn't in my font repertoire. Hence the
 unavailable fonts.

 Of course we are supposed to import text from Word and the like, but
 sometimes I want to take a shortcut and paste in Word snippets to
 rewrite. More heinous, now that my Outlook has been updated to 2007, I
 find that text snippets from HTML (or even RTF) emails, which I often
 would copy and use verbatim, can no longer be pasted directly into
 Frame, but cause the same problem.

 The work around for the text snippets, to avoid those awful unavailable
 font popups, is to open an HTML editor such as Dreamweaver, paste to an
 HTML file, deselect and reselect the text, copy and paste into Frame. (I
 used to used Outlook 2003 to do this sometimes, but even this pleasure
 is now denied me.)

 The only work-around I've found to get rid of these unavailable fonts is
 to use the Remember Missing Font Names option under
 FilePreferencesGeneral. You may have to save, close, reselect or
 deselect, then perform the procedure again a few times before the
 problem is solved.

 HTH,
 Diane

 Diane Schaefer
 Senior Technical Writer
 Sandvine Technologies Ltd.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 tel. 972-2-540-090, ext. 125

 
 -
 Hi Framers,

 I'm sure this is a very novice question, but I need some help.

 I'm running Windows XP (SP2), using unstructured FrameMaker 7.2.

 Even though I've checked all the paragraph and character tags for stray
 fonts and have generated a list of fonts for each file, I get a
 Document named xxx uses unavailable fonts... message. The console
 displays a font that I know is nowhere in my documents, so how do I get
 rid of this pop-up? The more important issue is that because the
 documents are reformated on opening because of substitution of fonts, I
 get unresolved cross-references alerts on good refs every time I reopen
 saved files.

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Unavailable fonts issue

[Lise Bible]

If Paste Special > (as) Text doesn't work, what I do for text with
formatting I don't want to keep is to paste it into Notepad. I copy the
text, paste into Notepad, select all the text in Notepad, copy, then paste
into your desired document.
Notepad strips all the formatting.

Not as easy as it seems PureText would be, but fairly painless if you're
used to the standard Windows keyboard shortcuts (Ctrl-C, Ctrl-A, Ctrl-V).

-Lise

On Jan 3, 2008 2:49 AM, Diane Schaefer  wrote:

> Hi Isabelle,
>
> I recently made an amazing discovery regarding elusive, unavailable
> fonts:
>
> If you copy and paste non-Frame, non-HTML information into your
> (unstructured, 7.2) Frame document, the information is copied into a
> text frame. In my documents, and perhaps in yours, the font specified is
> Times New Roman, which isn't in my font repertoire. Hence the
> unavailable fonts.
>
> Of course we are supposed to import text from Word and the like, but
> sometimes I want to take a shortcut and paste in Word snippets to
> rewrite. More heinous, now that my Outlook has been updated to 2007, I
> find that text snippets from HTML (or even RTF) emails, which I often
> would copy and use verbatim, can no longer be pasted directly into
> Frame, but cause the same problem.
>
> The work around for the text snippets, to avoid those awful unavailable
> font popups, is to open an HTML editor such as Dreamweaver, paste to an
> HTML file, deselect and reselect the text, copy and paste into Frame. (I
> used to used Outlook 2003 to do this sometimes, but even this pleasure
> is now denied me.)
>
> The only work-around I've found to get rid of these unavailable fonts is
> to use the Remember Missing Font Names option under
> File>Preferences>General. You may have to save, close, reselect or
> deselect, then perform the procedure again a few times before the
> problem is solved.
>
> HTH,
> Diane
>
> Diane Schaefer
> Senior Technical Writer
> Sandvine Technologies Ltd.
> dschaefer at sandvine.com
> tel. 972-2-540-090, ext. 125
>
> 
> -
> Hi Framers,
>
> I'm sure this is a very novice question, but I need some help.
>
> I'm running Windows XP (SP2), using unstructured FrameMaker 7.2.
>
> Even though I've checked all the paragraph and character tags for stray
> fonts and have generated a list of fonts for each file, I get a
> "Document named xxx uses unavailable fonts..." message. The console
> displays a font that I know is nowhere in my documents, so how do I get
> rid of this pop-up? The more important issue is that because the
> documents are reformated on opening because of substitution of fonts, I
> get unresolved cross-references alerts on good refs every time I reopen
> saved files.
>
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text inset + cross-references to different files?

[Lise Bible]

Hi,
I'm pretty comfortable with Frame to the extent that I know it, but don't
consider myself expert yet.
Using: Win XP Pro, Frame 7.1p116 (Unstructured)

What I'm trying to do:
Re-use text for a group of related product manuals. Each manual is its own
separate book, each chapter is its own separate Frame file.

Currently in each book, the respective maintenance chapter has
cross-references to both figures (in the current file) and headings in the
respective Parts List file (chapter) of the same book. (i.e ., for book
95-03022.book, 22-Maintenance.fm has cross references to Fig. 18, 19,
etc. (in the current file), and cross-references to Optional Tools on page
72 (where Optional Tools is one of the headings on page 72 in
22-Parts.fm(also part of
95-03022.book).

A lot of the text in the maintenance chapters is identical (or, ideally,
should be), except for the figure #'s in the same file or the page # of
the heading in a separate file (See Optional Tools on page XX).

I want to use this same text in 3 or 4 manuals (one of the manuals is less
like the other 3, but does use some of the same text). I'm thinking I will
probably need to create multiple source files for each individual section of
text I want to inset.

I was able to find information in FrameMaker Help about To insert a
cross-reference to a paragraph in a text inset but it seems like that's
talking about inserting a cross-reference *elsewhere in the file* to a
paragraph contained *within the text inset*, and what I think I want to do
is the opposite: insert a cross reference *in the text inset* to a header or
figure *elsewhere in the book*, depending on which book/file this text inset
is inserted.
For example, in book 95-03022, the valve seat diagram is Figure 18, while in
95-03055, the valve seat diagram is Figure 19. And the Optional Tools
header is on page 72 in book 95-03022, but on page 74 in 95-03055.

So I want a cross reference in the text inset to See Figure X where it
will show up as Figure 18 when the text is in 95-03022 and Figure 19 when
the same text is in 95-03055. But I want the text to be a reference, so it
only needs to be edited (or translated) once.

Right now, these manuals exist as 4 separate books, and it seems like this
should be something Frame can handle, but I can't figure out exactly how to
go about doing it.

Suggestions?

Thanks,
Lise Bible
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text inset + cross-references to different files?

[Lise Bible]

Hi,
I'm pretty comfortable with Frame to the extent that I know it, but don't
consider myself expert yet.
Using: Win XP Pro, Frame 7.1p116 (Unstructured)

What I'm trying to do:
Re-use text for a group of related product manuals. Each manual is its own
separate book, each chapter is its own separate Frame file.

Currently in each book, the respective "maintenance" chapter has
cross-references to both figures (in the current file) and headings in the
respective "Parts List" file (chapter) of the same book. (i.e ., for book
95-03022.book, 22-Maintenance.fm has cross references to Fig. 18, 19,
etc. (in the current file), and cross-references to "Optional Tools" on page
72 (where "Optional Tools" is one of the headings on page 72 in
22-Parts.fm(also part of
95-03022.book).

A lot of the text in the "maintenance" chapters is identical (or, ideally,
should be), except for the figure #'s in the same file or the page # of
the heading in a separate file ("See "Optional Tools" on page XX").

I want to use this same text in 3 or 4 manuals (one of the manuals is less
like the other 3, but does use some of the same text). I'm thinking I will
probably need to create multiple source files for each individual section of
text I want to inset.

I was able to find information in FrameMaker Help about "To insert a
cross-reference to a paragraph in a text inset" but it seems like that's
talking about inserting a cross-reference *elsewhere in the file* to a
paragraph contained *within the text inset*, and what I think I want to do
is the opposite: insert a cross reference *in the text inset* to a header or
figure *elsewhere in the book*, depending on which book/file this text inset
is inserted.
For example, in book 95-03022, the valve seat diagram is Figure 18, while in
95-03055, the valve seat diagram is Figure 19. And the "Optional Tools"
header is on page 72 in book 95-03022, but on page 74 in 95-03055.

So I want a cross reference in the text inset to "See Figure X" where it
will show up as Figure 18 when the text is in 95-03022 and Figure 19 when
the same text is in 95-03055. But I want the text to be a reference, so it
only needs to be edited (or translated) once.

Right now, these manuals exist as 4 separate books, and it seems like this
should be something Frame can handle, but I can't figure out exactly how to
go about doing it.

Suggestions?

Thanks,
Lise Bible

RE: How to import Autocad2000 into FM?

[Lise Bible]

I use a similar amount of work--don't have Illustrator, but have CorelDraw
12. We actually use AutoCAD 2006, but Corel won't open anything newer than
2000, so I save the CAD drawing down to 2000 (actually, I have AutoCAD set
to save as 2000 by default for this reason), then open in CorelDraw, clean
up any extraneous lines and export to wmf, choosing text when prompted to
export text as text or curves. 
Have also tried exporting to .tif and .png but the lines seem clearest with
wmf's.

I'm not sure if this is any less work than your current method, and if
someone has a better suggestion, by all means...

-Lise Bible

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chuck Heinrichs
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 4:52 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: How to import Autocad2000 into FM?

What is the best way to import Autocad2000 into FrameMaker. Current
procedure used involves unusual amount of work, i.e., convert cad file to
pdf, open in Illustrator and cleanup lines so that they aren't fuzzy in
destination FM pdf file. Any suggestions are appreciated.
Chuck Heinrichs

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5. Re: Updating and saving an entire book (Art Campbell)
6. Re: Updating and saving an entire book (Rick Quatro)
7. Cross-reference break after sorting Table - Frame 7.2
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8. RE: Cross-reference break after sorting Table - Frame 7.2
   (Combs, Richard)
9. Re: FM crashes on print book to file (surprise! No?)
   (Art Campbell)
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   (Bodvar Bjorgvinsson)
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   (Combs, Richard)
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   (Art Campbell)
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   (Kwiatkowski Richard (ST-VS/DOC-La))
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   (cross posting) (Gyanesh Talwar)
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   (Jeremy H. Griffith)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:25:02 +0100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: List of imported graphics
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],framers@lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID:
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Does Add  List of  References  Imported Graphics not do it?

Otherwise, theres a tool called Archive Book by Bruce Foster. Compiles 
the contents of a book into a separate location and pulls in any 
referenced graphics and text insets into Graphics and Text sub 
directories.

-Original Message-
From: Van Boening, Tammy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 June 2007 15:38
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: List of imported graphics

My apologies in advance - I know that this has been discussed before on 
the list, but I can't find it in the archives. I have a graphics folder 
for a Frame book that contains not only all of the graphics that are 
imported by reference into the various book files, but also, a bunch of 
graphic that I don't need to use anymore, that are outdated and/or 
incorrect graphics and so on. Before I check all of my folders into 
ClearCase, I want to delete these junk graphics that are just taking 
up space. How do I go about generating a list of what graphics are 
actually used where in the book.  (I obviously want to compare this 
list to the actual directory contents and nuke those from the directory 
that don't appear on the list.) If I had only a small amount of 
graphics, I could do this manually, but I have over several hundred 
graphics (it's a BIG book), so . . .


TIA,

TVB

Tammy L. Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Fiserv Insurance Solutions
Property and Casualty Division
303-729-7733
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Proofread your EMails

[Lise Bible]

or maybe it "tinkled" his fancy?

;-) Lise


On 6/6/07, Combs, Richard  wrote:
>
> Gillian Flato wrote:
>
> > At my company on Monday, the AC broke. An email was sent
> > explaining what happened. The writer obviously didn't pay
> > attention to the spelling autocorrect, or maybe he's dyslexic
> > or something, I don't know. But the point is, this should
> > teach everyone to proofread before sending an email and pay
> > attention to the spell checker suggestions...
> >
> > "It's really no joke. We got lucky and didn't burn up any
> > tools or anyone have heat-stroke. We/I sincerely apologize
> > for the incontinence."
>
> Maybe the writer thought employees were pi**ed.
>
> ;-)
>
> Richard
>
>
> --
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> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
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Re: CorelDraw Embedded Graphics

[Lise Bible]

I've not had the greatest luck using CorelDraw graphics directly in
Frame--most of the manuals I've been editing recently were created by
my predecessor and the graphics were linked tif's which were
originally AutoCAD drawings opened in CorelDraw, edited, then exported
as tif's. However, regarding trying other output formats, recently I
tried exporting graphics from CorelDraw as wmf's, choosing text in the
export text as dialog box (as opposed to curves). Seems to work well
for me.

HTH,
Lise Bible

On 5/29/07, Steve Rickaby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At 10:51 +0300 29/5/07, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

I have a Frame document with several embedded CorelDraw graphics. In some of 
the graphics, the text is very choppy. That is, each letter is a series of short 
lines. This text looks very bad. In other CorelDraw graphics in the same document, 
the text is fine. Does anyone have any ideas when or why this happens, or how to 
avoid it. Thanks

Shmuel... I have a vague memory of seeing this in Corel documents long ago. I 
would guess [emphasize: guess] that the most likely cause is that the text in 
question has been converted into outlines, and then the graphics files have 
been created from Corel Draw in a form that FrameMaker can use by a sub-optimal 
output filter. There is a parallel issue with, for example, Visio, in which 
some versions [all?] of Visio produce poor Postscript.

If this is the case, your only recourses are:

. Revisit the original artwork, if it is available, to try other output formats

. Edit the relevant diagrams in, say, Illustrator, to replace the bad text.

--
Steve
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CorelDraw Embedded Graphics

[Lise Bible]

I've not had the greatest luck using CorelDraw graphics directly in
Frame--most of the manuals I've been editing recently were created by
my predecessor and the graphics were linked tif's which were
originally AutoCAD drawings opened in CorelDraw, edited, then exported
as tif's. However, regarding trying other output formats, recently I
tried exporting graphics from CorelDraw as wmf's, choosing text in the
"export text as" dialog box (as opposed to curves). Seems to work well
for me.

HTH,
Lise Bible

On 5/29/07, Steve Rickaby  wrote:
> At 10:51 +0300 29/5/07, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
>
> >I have a Frame document with several embedded CorelDraw graphics. In some of 
> >the graphics, the text is very choppy. That is, each letter is a series of 
> >short lines. This text looks very bad. In other CorelDraw graphics in the 
> >same document, the text is fine. Does anyone have any ideas when or why this 
> >happens, or how to avoid it. Thanks
>
> Shmuel... I have a vague memory of seeing this in Corel documents long ago. I 
> would guess [emphasize: guess] that the most likely cause is that the text in 
> question has been converted into outlines, and then the graphics files have 
> been created from Corel Draw in a form that FrameMaker can use by a 
> sub-optimal output filter. There is a parallel issue with, for example, 
> Visio, in which some versions [all?] of Visio produce poor Postscript.
>
> If this is the case, your only recourses are:
>
> . Revisit the original artwork, if it is available, to try other output 
> formats
>
> . Edit the relevant diagrams in, say, Illustrator, to replace the bad text.
>
> --
> Steve
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Re: Entry Level Technical Writer - Contract - Moorpark, CA

[Lise Bible]

Well, I guess I can kind of see both sides. I've been a tech writer at
my company for a year and a half, and it is frustrating when others
assume that if you can type and spell
(or *not* spell...hey, that's what spell-check is for, right?) then
you're fully qualified to be a tech writer.

But it is hard to break out of the admin mold. I don't have a degree
in English, but I have a BA in Psychology. I majored in Psych because
I thought the classes were really quite interesting, not having a
specific career goal in mind. After college, I started temping, and
ended up in an admin/customer service role at a manufacturing company.
Among other things, I wrote work instructions and the like for my
department, learned PageMaker and became an expert at Word. Two
acquisitions, two office moves and 2 years later, the tech writer
position here opened up, and I applied.

I think my former boss went to bat for me, as they moved the position
out of the marketing department and into the Engineering Services
department (where I was already), and here I am. I've since taken
classes in Frame and a Tech Writing course through University of IL at
Chicago, and I find I have an affinity for the job.

Moral of my story, I guess, is that it's not a bad thing to think
outside the box, hiring-wise, but yes, it is hard to effectively weed
out the unqualified while finding the right person for the job.

-Lise

On 5/15/07, Rene Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have had secretaries apply for tech writer openings in my group. Internal candidates always get phone screening, so 
I'd have to call them. I always asked what they felt were their qualifications, and they all responded that they had 
good English and were experts with MS Word. They wrote lots of corresondence and updated their draft 
letters with the edits from their bosses, so they knew how to handle document review. We had to 
start posting BA or higher in English or directly relevant field as a minimal requirement with no 
equivalency allowed.

 Rene


Keith Smyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As in So easy a Caveman could do it?

I am sure all of us have had the experience of someone totally clueless
thinking all we do is type. Had a gal at one of our square dances from
our church in 1983 tell me that while she is a store clerk, she is going to
become a tech writer, because if you can do it, anyone can do it.

And she went to an interview. Never heard from her again.


You think that's insulting? When we had a req open for another tech
writer in January, we had people from our shipping department and the
warehouse coming to us and asking us if they could apply for the job. As
if Tech Writing was so easy, someone with shipping or warehouse
experience could do it.


Thank you,

 -Gillian

--
Keith L. Smyth
President
Smyth Consulting
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Religion was in charge during the dark ages.
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Technical Documentation Consultant

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Entry Level Technical Writer - Contract - Moorpark, CA

[Lise Bible]

Well, I guess I can kind of see both sides. I've been a tech writer at
my company for a year and a half, and it is frustrating when others
assume that if you can type and spell
(or *not* spell..."hey, that's what spell-check is for, right?") then
you're fully qualified to be a tech writer.

But it is hard to break out of the "admin" mold. I don't have a degree
in English, but I have a BA in Psychology. I majored in Psych because
I thought the classes were really quite interesting, not having a
specific career goal in mind. After college, I started temping, and
ended up in an admin/customer service role at a manufacturing company.
Among other things, I wrote work instructions and the like for my
department, learned PageMaker and became an expert at Word. Two
acquisitions, two office moves and 2 years later, the tech writer
position here opened up, and I applied.

I think my former boss went to bat for me, as they moved the position
out of the marketing department and into the Engineering Services
department (where I was already), and here I am. I've since taken
classes in Frame and a Tech Writing course through University of IL at
Chicago, and I find I have an affinity for the job.

Moral of my story, I guess, is that it's not a bad thing to think
outside the box, hiring-wise, but yes, it is hard to effectively weed
out the unqualified while finding the right person for the job.

-Lise

On 5/15/07, Rene Stephenson  wrote:
> I have had secretaries apply for tech writer openings in my group. Internal 
> candidates always get phone screening, so I'd have to call them. I always 
> asked what they felt were their qualifications, and they all responded that 
> they had "good English" and were experts with MS Word. They wrote lots of 
> corresondence and updated their draft letters with the "edits" from their 
> bosses, so they "knew" how to handle document review. We had to start posting 
> BA or higher in English or directly relevant field as a minimal requirement 
> with no "equivalency" allowed.
>
>  Rene
>
>
> Keith Smyth  wrote:
>  As in "So easy a Caveman could do it"?
>
> I am sure all of us have had the experience of someone totally clueless
> thinking all we do is type. Had a gal at one of our square dances from
> our church in 1983 tell me that while she is a store clerk, she is going to
> become a tech writer, "because if you can do it, anyone can do it".
>
> And she went to an interview. Never heard from her again.
>
>
> >You think that's insulting? When we had a req open for another tech
> >writer in January, we had people from our shipping department and the
> >warehouse coming to us and asking us if they could apply for the job. As
> >if Tech Writing was so easy, someone with shipping or warehouse
> >experience could do it.
> >
> >
> >Thank you,
> >
> > -Gillian
>
> --
> Keith L. Smyth
> President
> Smyth Consulting
> -
> Religion was in charge during the dark ages.
> -
> Technical Documentation Consultant
>
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