Re: [Framers] Book and Doc Templates.

[Richard Melanson]

Thank you All for getting back to me. As always MANY good recommendations. I 
have decided to go with PureText. After some experimentation, I really like it. 
Now to start digging through the 193 pages of Word.  

Stay Safe and Healthy Everyone. 

Rick


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Subject: Re: [Framers] Book and Doc Templates.

Hi,

I also use PureText. Very handy, not only for FrameMaker (e.g. Outlook, Excel, 
etc.)!
http://stevemiller.net/puretext/

When I reformat Word imports, I copy my heading format into the clipboard and 
then search for the numbering of the equivalent Word format with regular 
expressions or wildcards. 
Then paste the clipboard content.
Or you can search for the Word paragraph format in FrameMaker and then paste 
your format.
The same with list formats.

Yes, tables and graphics must be handled separately.

Best regards

Winfried

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I use PureText for copying and pasting as plain text. It works with everything 
I use. 

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Re: [Framers] Book and Doc Templates.

[Richard Melanson]

I thought about this way but I didn't trust the copy/paste function to only 
bring over text. You ever have any problems after with garbage left over from 
Word?


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For a faster experience of copy/pasting text, I would use the tip to adjust 
your maker.ini to stick TEXT at the beginning of the ClipboardPriorityFormats= 
line (ahead of the default UNICODE bit). That way you can copy in Word & paste 
in FM as if you had gone through the Paste Special > Text route.



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Subject: Re: [Framers] Book and Doc Templates.

And that is exactly why I go the text route. If I didn't create that Word file, 
I don't know whether the person who did set it up right or not.
Usually the answer is "not".

(On a side note, if you set up a Word template, create your own numbering list 
styles and assign your own number styles to the list style, and restrict style 
usage to the ones you created. You will prevent so many headaches by forcing 
users to actually use styles instead of the bloody ribbon bar!)

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 1:18 PM Richard Melanson 
wrote:

> The Word file I inherited does not use any formatting standard, it's 
> just a 193 pages of mish mash of whatever any given editor felt like 
> doing at the time. I'm probably going to have to go to text then into 
> Frame and manually assign the formatting.  YUCK  :-)
>
>
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Re: [Framers] Book and Doc Templates.

[Richard Melanson]

The Word file I inherited does not use any formatting standard, it's just a 193 
pages of mish mash of whatever any given editor felt like doing at the time. 
I'm probably going to have to go to text then into Frame and manually assign 
the formatting.  YUCK  :-)


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Subject: Re: [Framers] Book and Doc Tplates.

That's exactly the approach I took when I converted nearly 10k pages of docs 
from Word (Word 95 in those days) to Frame for a former, former employer. We 
had pretty good compliance to the old Word template because we had been using a 
complex, scripted conversion to Windows Help, so the conversion actually went 
pretty well except for cases of missing graphics source files. (I still curse 
the memory of writers who pasted graphics directly into Word.)

The Frame templates I imported into were set up to be semi-structured (tags to 
reflect structural function rather than appearance) to facilitate further 
migration to XML. But that migration never happened because the parent company 
sold off our division and shipped the products and docs off to teams in India.

-FR


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Subject: Re: [Framers] Book and Doc Templates.

Hi Rick,

I haven't used any templates, but what I have done is renamed the para tags and 
any character tags in the word doc to match what I have in frame (i.e., Heading 
1 to Heading One) and then imported the doc file into frame.  It seems to work 
pretty well.  The only thing is, you'll have to go back make separate 
files/chapters, and you'll have some minor para/character clean up.  And you'll 
need to re-import the graphics.

Hope that helps.

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From: Framers  On 
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Subject: [Framers] FW: Book and Doc Templates.

Hi Everyone,

I didn't get any responses to my email. If I have done something wrong or 
offended anyone, I humbly apologize. I have been on and off this list since 
1991 and Everyone I have ever dealt with has been great. So again Everyone, if 
I did something wrong, my bad.

Thank you.

Rick


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Subject: Book and Doc Templates.

Hello Everyone,

I am converting a 193 page Word doc to FrameMaker 2017. Does anyone have 
recommended templates for doing this. I am trying to do this in as little time 
as possible. If you can share what you have great, if you are selling what you 
have great also, just let me know what you need.

Thank you all for your help.

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Re: [Framers] FW: Book and Doc Templates.

[Richard Melanson]

Thank you Carol, 

Good point on the virus, I hadn't thought of that. I was just concerned I had 
stepped out of line.  

And thank you again, I will dig through the archives and see what I can come up 
with. 

Stay healthy. 

Rick


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Subject: Re: [Framers] FW: Book and Doc Templates.

Hi Rick,

No, you did absolutely nothing wrong. Remember that many, many of this list's 
subscribers have been affected by coronavirus-related work disruptions. They 
may not be reading list messages as regularly as they had been. Of the ones 
that are, they perhaps have no solution to offer.

One of the things you can do is search this group's archives at 
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You might be able to unearth some helpful information in previous posts.

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[Framers] FW: Book and Doc Templates.

[Richard Melanson]

Hi Everyone,

I didn't get any responses to my email. If I have done something wrong or 
offended anyone, I humbly apologize. I have been on and off this list since 
1991 and Everyone I have ever dealt with has been great. So again Everyone, if 
I did something wrong, my bad. 

Thank you. 

Rick


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Subject: Book and Doc Templates.

Hello Everyone, 

I am converting a 193 page Word doc to FrameMaker 2017. Does anyone have 
recommended templates for doing this. I am trying to do this in as little time 
as possible. If you can share what you have great, if you are selling what you 
have great also, just let me know what you need. 

Thank you all for your help. 

Rick

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[Framers] Book and Doc Templates.

[Richard Melanson]

Hello Everyone, 

I am converting a 193 page Word doc to FrameMaker 2017. Does anyone have 
recommended templates for doing this. I am trying to do this in as little time 
as possible. If you can share what you have great, if you are selling what you 
have great also, just let me know what you need. 

Thank you all for your help. 

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015

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You would think I knew that after all these years  :-)


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> I too was on a Sun 3/50. Then moved to Windows, see the attached picture.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
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> Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015
> 
> For me, it was 1988 (FM version 3, I think?) on a Sun 3/50 (the one where the 
> B/W monitor was physically attached to the top of the computer chassis pizza 
> box).
> 
> Peter, the first Windows version was FM 4, I think ... I beta tested it for 
> Frame Technology then. Came on floppy disks (I think I still have them around 
> here somewhere)!
> 
> Side-bar for those who remember the competition: when you ran 
> spell-check in FM 3, it would correct the word "Interleaf" to 
> "FrameMaker". :)
> 
> Z
> 
> Robert Lauriston said:
> I believe the first time I used FrameMaker it was version 2.0 on a Next cube.
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 2:53 PM Peter Gold  
>> wrote:
>> Some of us are old enough to remember using Escape-key sequences with 
>> FM 3 on Unix, Mac, and Windows. Do we win anything other than being 
>> grateful that our memories are still functioning? BOOM! ;)
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015

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Where did my picture go??


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I too was on a Sun 3/50. Then moved to Windows, see the attached picture. 

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For me, it was 1988 (FM version 3, I think?) on a Sun 3/50 (the one where the 
B/W monitor was physically attached to the top of the computer chassis pizza 
box).

Peter, the first Windows version was FM 4, I think ... I beta tested it for 
Frame Technology then. Came on floppy disks (I think I still have them around 
here somewhere)!

Side-bar for those who remember the competition: when you ran spell-check in FM 
3, it would correct the word "Interleaf" to "FrameMaker". :)

Z

Robert Lauriston said:
I believe the first time I used FrameMaker it was version 2.0 on a Next cube.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 2:53 PM Peter Gold  wrote:
> Some of us are old enough to remember using Escape-key sequences with 
> FM 3 on Unix, Mac, and Windows. Do we win anything other than being 
> grateful that our memories are still functioning? BOOM! ;)
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015

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Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015

For me, it was 1988 (FM version 3, I think?) on a Sun 3/50 (the one where the 
B/W monitor was physically attached to the top of the computer chassis pizza 
box).

Peter, the first Windows version was FM 4, I think ... I beta tested it for 
Frame Technology then. Came on floppy disks (I think I still have them around 
here somewhere)!

Side-bar for those who remember the competition: when you ran spell-check in FM 
3, it would correct the word "Interleaf" to "FrameMaker". :)

Z

Robert Lauriston said:
I believe the first time I used FrameMaker it was version 2.0 on a Next cube.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 2:53 PM Peter Gold  wrote:
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> FM 3 on Unix, Mac, and Windows. Do we win anything other than being 
> grateful that our memories are still functioning? BOOM! ;)
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[Framers] Framemaker 2019 and Tech Comm Suite 2017 and 2019.

[Richard Melanson]

Hi Everyone, 

I have Tech Comm Suite 2017 with FrameMaker 2017, I then separately upgraded 
JUST FrameMaker to 2019. I would now like to upgrade the rest of the products 
in my 2017 Suite to 2019 but Adobe says they cannot do this unless I pay for 
upgrading FrameMaker again. 

I have no hard feelings with Adobe that is their business practice. I am 
looking for suggestions on how to get to a complete 2019 suite. Can I sell my 
current 2019 FrameMaker license, I am stumped. 

And is it even worth upgrading, anyone have 2019 that they can share an opinion 
with me. 

Thanks a million Everyone. 

Rick


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From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+rmelanson=highresbio@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Klaus Daube
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 11:28 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Getting an old version of FM

Dear all,

Fortunately i have put aside FM-installation files since I install FM (version 
4). 
Hence I do not need to search for these in the net. But any other person will 
have to. 
It's easy to find Adobe's site with the updates of previous versions:
https://supportdownloads.adobe.com/product.jsp?product=22=Windows

But wherefrom do you get the base version? Only from illegal sources such as 
https://rahim-soft.com in Kandahar, Afghanistan? 
For curiosity I did so and discovered that in the download package there is a 
tool included to create a registration key... A help video describes how to use 
this illegal method. And the FM installation files turn out to be few days 
younger than those in my archive (which had been distributed by Adobe).

It seems that Adobe has now opened a channel to older versions:
https://helpx.adobe.com/download-install/kb/downloaded-older-app.html offers to 
chat via https://helpx.adobe.com/contact.html - because in many cases (at least 
in my case) not all older versions are listed in Adobe's order history on the 
users account. Or the user (consultant) needs an older version to support a 
customer who has that version.

Has anyone of you used this official channel to get an older version of FM, for 
example, version 10?

Klaus
~~
Klaus Daube Phone:  +41-44-381 37 77
Schäracher 11   Mail:   kl...@daube.ch
CH-8053 Zürich  Web:www.daube.ch


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[Framers] Installing FrameMaker 19.

[Richard Melanson]

Hi Everyone, 

I have been working on this issue off and on for 5 days if you include today. I 
have installed Adobe Tech Comm Suite 2017 including  FrameMaker. I upgraded 
JUST FrameMaker from 2017 to 2019. Every time I try and install 2019, I get an 
error that 2017 cannot be found. I even enter the correct serial number for 
20129, the Adobe installer acknowledges I am using the correct serial number 
but again says it cannot find 2017. I feel very stupid having to ask the list 
about an installation issue, so please don't be too hard on me.  :-)

Thank you for any and all help you can give me Everyone. 

Rick

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Re: [Framers] FM19 Publish PDF Problem

[Richard Melanson]

I have Tech Comm Suite 2017 which includes Acrobat 2017, I updated only Frame 
to 2019 and I have not had any problems. Hope this helps John. 


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From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+rmelanson=highresbio@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of John Posada
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 4:39 PM
To: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp 
Cc: Framers 
Subject: Re: [Framers] FM19 Publish PDF Problem

I just got offline with Adobe Tech Support. It seems I need to upgrade to 
Acrobat Pro DC. I'm going to bring down a trial to verify that the issue gets 
resolved.


On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 4:27 PM Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp  wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> we had a similar issue lately - it turned out to be a Windows10 problem:
> running windows update solved it.
>
>
> Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
>
> Wim Hooghwinkel
>
> -
>
>
>
>

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[Framers] Question About Revision History.

[Richard Melanson]

Somewhat off topic, what does everyone think about not having a revision 
history in user manuals. My company has decided they do not want this in any 
customer facing docs. 

Thank you for your replies. 

Rick

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Re: [Framers] Fwd: Adobe Tech Comm Tools License Keys for Partners

[Richard Melanson]

"The more you tighten your grip, Adobe, the more Users you will lose or will 
slip through your fingers."


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From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+rmelanson=highresbio@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of tammyvb
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 11:17 AM
To: Framers 
Subject: [Framers] Fwd: Adobe Tech Comm Tools License Keys for Partners

So, did anybody else receive this email below from Adobe? WTF? It is just not 
limited to 2017 and greater products. There is a section for 2015 and older. I 
have FM12 and Acrobat Pro XI. I thought these were perpetual licenses. Once 
purchased, that was it. Just how wrong this can go with Adobe is anyone's 
guess. Does anybody have any insight into this?Sent from Samsung Galaxy 
smartphone.
 Original message From: Sirsendu Sarkar  
Date: 11/21/19  8:22 AM  (GMT-07:00) To: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com 
Subject: Adobe Tech Comm Tools License Keys for Partners 

Hi Tammy,

Hope you are doing well!

This is to notify you that the serial keys of Adobe Tech Comm products which 
were previously shared with you, will get expired on 29th November 2019. 
If you require fresh license keys with extended expiry date, please raise a 
request by submitting the following form:
Adobe
 Tech Comm Partner License Agreement form Once the same is duly filled and 
signed, I will share the fresh serial keys with you.

On a different note, hope you had a chance to glance through our revamped Adobe 
Tech Comm Partner Portal.
 Please update your company profile by adding rich texts, additional 
information about your company and services around Adobe Tech Comm products.
Please reach out to me or
techc...@adobe.com for any further
 clarifications. 

Best regards,

Sirsendu Sarkar

Product Marketing Manager, Adobe Technical Communication Products

  

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Re: [Framers] Authoring and distributing a manual for US and non-US customers

[Richard Melanson]

Tammy, 

I would recommend Googling FIGS and the word translation together.   FIGS = 
French Italian German Spanish. 

You will get so many answers to your questions below you won't know where to 
start  :-)

Rick


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[mailto:framers-bounces+rmelanson=highresbio@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 4:52 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; 'TECHWR-L' 
Subject: [Framers] Authoring and distributing a manual for US and non-US 
customers

A longtime client who initially distributed their product only in the US was 
acquired by a large international firm and now will be required to have their 
manuals available to customers in Europe, Asia, and A-Pac. Currently, I am 
developing in FM V12 and producing a PDF that is available online. 

 

The only information that I can gather right now is that this new customer base 
will also require PDFs.

 

1.  I need to consider that I might be the one handling the logistics of
the translation process to an outside vendor versus any in-house staff.
(They do have folks that deal w/ this issue but they are overworked and 
understaffed and right now, can't guarantee that they can take on another 
division's translation requirements.)
2.  The current source is manual is classic US-approved layout - 8.5 x
11 w/ crop marks for printing specified but my client briefly rattled off their 
concern about the A4 requirement for Europe.

 

So, my questions:

 

1.  How does A4 and any other non-US requirements impact/affect my
template in FM? What do I need to do/plan for/change the layout of so that I 
have one single source guide that serves all customers - US and on-US?
2.  I know I can learn the logistics of the translation process but
first, any one company/person that you would recommend and what do I have to be 
aware of in my FM template knowing that the source will be translated?
Any insight into the translation process/logistics of (what files I have to 
provide, what I get back, etc.) would be sincerely appreciated.

 

Regards and TGIF,

 

TVB

 

 

Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

 

 

 

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Re: [Framers] What is going on with Adobe Licensing for FrameMaker?

[Richard Melanson]

Either or both of these happening "stinks" shame on Adobe. 

Adobe is discontinuing support for any type of upgrade for perpetual licenses.
Adobe will be switching OFF perpetual licenses [both for new & renewal] 
WORLDWIDE.



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From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+rmelanson=highresbio@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 3:34 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] What is going on with Adobe Licensing for FrameMaker?

All that means is that you won't get a break on the cheaper upgrade to the 
latest version. You still will be able to get a perpetual license for FM2019 - 
you'll just pay more for it.



From: Framers 
 on behalf 
of Richard Melanson 
Sent: October 22, 2019 3:30 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] What is going on with Adobe Licensing for FrameMaker?

Below is an email received from Adobe in May.
-----

Richard Melanson
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www.highresbio.com???<http://www.highresbio.com???>

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Biosolutions immediately by reply email.  Then delete this message from your 
system.  Thank you.From: Anuj Alok [mailto:aa...@adobe.com]
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: 2019 Adobe Technical Communication Suite

Richard

Just to give you a heads up, within few months Adobe is discontinuing support 
for any type of upgrade for perpetual licenses. The Adobe Software assurance is 
getting eliminated.

I would recommend if you want to upgrade your Adobe Technical communication 
Suite to the latest version then now is the right time.

The cost would around 600 USD. That's the best which we can offer. Do speak to 
your internal team and let me know as I would be able to upgrade the suite from 
2017 to 2019 now. This option of upgrade won't be there after some time.

Regards,
Anuj
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From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+rmelanson=highresbio@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:49 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] What is going on with Adobe Licensing for FrameMaker?

I haven't heard this, and I'd be suspicious of someone calling you, too.
Sounds too much like the "your Windows license is about to expire" scam calls.

If I were you (or your boss), I would contact Adobe support directly and ask 
about this.

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:22 AM Simon BUCH  wrote:

> Hello FrameUsers,
>
> My boss just received a telephone call from an Adobe licensing 
> specialist this afternoon indicating that Adobe will be switching OFF 
> perpetual licenses [both for new & renewal] WORLDWIDE for
> * Adobe Technical Communication Suite
> * Adobe FrameMaker
> * Adobe FrameMaker Publishing Server
> * Adobe RoboHelp
> * Adobe RoboHelp Server
>
>
> According to an "Adobe Community" posting by Amitoj SINGH [Product 
> Manager, Adobe Technical Communication Tools]:
>  "Customers will still be able to purchase perpetual licenses of 
> all the above-mentioned products through Channel (Adobe authorized
> resellers) under Transactional Licensing Program (TLP) and Cumulative 
> Licensing Program (CLP) even after 1 July 2019.
>  Customers who are currently enrolled for Adobe Software Assurance
> (ASA) or Maintenance and Support (M) plans for any of the 
> above-mentioned products will continue to avail of all the benefits 
> for these programs till the expiry date of the current contract."
>
>
> As the call centre licensing specialist gave the impression that the 
> TLP and CLP programmes require the products to have access to Adobe servers.
> This has caused a PANIC in my office as most of my customers are 
> located in a number of different countries, inside tightly controlled 
> cor

Re: [Framers] What is going on with Adobe Licensing for FrameMaker?

[Richard Melanson]

Below is an email received from Adobe in May. 
-

Richard Melanson
Technical Writer|HighRes Biosolutions
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system.  Thank you.From: Anuj Alok [mailto:aa...@adobe.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: 2019 Adobe Technical Communication Suite

Richard

Just to give you a heads up, within few months Adobe is discontinuing support 
for any type of upgrade for perpetual licenses. The Adobe Software assurance is 
getting eliminated. 

I would recommend if you want to upgrade your Adobe Technical communication 
Suite to the latest version then now is the right time. 

The cost would around 600 USD. That's the best which we can offer. Do speak to 
your internal team and let me know as I would be able to upgrade the suite from 
2017 to 2019 now. This option of upgrade won't be there after some time. 

Regards, 
Anuj
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From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+rmelanson=highresbio@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:49 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] What is going on with Adobe Licensing for FrameMaker?

I haven't heard this, and I'd be suspicious of someone calling you, too.
Sounds too much like the "your Windows license is about to expire" scam calls.

If I were you (or your boss), I would contact Adobe support directly and ask 
about this.

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:22 AM Simon BUCH  wrote:

> Hello FrameUsers,
>
> My boss just received a telephone call from an Adobe licensing 
> specialist this afternoon indicating that Adobe will be switching OFF 
> perpetual licenses [both for new & renewal] WORLDWIDE for
> * Adobe Technical Communication Suite
> * Adobe FrameMaker
> * Adobe FrameMaker Publishing Server
> * Adobe RoboHelp
> * Adobe RoboHelp Server
>
>
> According to an "Adobe Community" posting by Amitoj SINGH [Product 
> Manager, Adobe Technical Communication Tools]:
>  "Customers will still be able to purchase perpetual licenses of 
> all the above-mentioned products through Channel (Adobe authorized
> resellers) under Transactional Licensing Program (TLP) and Cumulative 
> Licensing Program (CLP) even after 1 July 2019.
>  Customers who are currently enrolled for Adobe Software Assurance
> (ASA) or Maintenance and Support (M) plans for any of the 
> above-mentioned products will continue to avail of all the benefits 
> for these programs till the expiry date of the current contract."
>
>
> As the call centre licensing specialist gave the impression that the 
> TLP and CLP programmes require the products to have access to Adobe servers.
> This has caused a PANIC in my office as most of my customers are 
> located in a number of different countries, inside tightly controlled 
> corporate and/or military grade networks that have NO access to Adobe 
> online services.
>
> My customers require a stable, reliable publishing environment where 
> workstation configuration is tightly controlled, safely protected from 
> access of update servers.
>
> Does this mean that Adobe is switching to requiring ALL FrameMaker and 
> TCS users to have access to the internet 100% of the time?
> Or was the Adobe licensing specialist inaccurate with the information?
>
> Regards
> // Simon BUCH -- M-AIS
>
>
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Re: [Framers] OT: (Kinda') Spam to Adobe Partners

[Richard Melanson]

I have to admit I am "baffled" as to how Carol got that impression from 
Stephan's email. 

I am offended that Carol has called out Stephan publicly.  This whole request 
should have happened privately. 

But I am staying on this list because it is too valuable to be to ask to be 
removed because I feet offended. 

Rick


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From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+rmelanson=highresbio@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Stefan Gentz
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 1:57 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: (Kinda') Spam to Adobe Partners

Hi Carol,

I did not, in any way, want to rap on Tammy's knuckles, and I'm ashamed that 
one could read this out my mail.

Also, I'm very sad to hear that you have decided to be no longer an Adobe 
Partner. However, we fully respect your decision, and I have initiated the 
process to remove your profile and all associated data with it (I don't have 
the "rights" to do that). Once this process is through, I will update you 
off-list.

Regards,
Stefan Gentz
Senior Worldwide Evangelist, Technical Communication
   

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From: Framers  On Behalf 
Of Carol J. Elkins
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 19:20
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: (Kinda') Spam to Adobe Partners

Stephan, I would like to ask you to remove my entry entirely. 
Although this list isn't the appropriate place to ask this, for some reason, 
I've taken offense at your replies to this thread. I know you didn't mean them 
as such, but when I read your reply to Tammy, I felt like you were rapping her 
knuckles. I have never gained a client from my listing on Adobe's site. I 
always want to minimize spam (which I always filter out before downloading), 
and because I get over 300 spam emails a day, every one I can eliminate will 
help).

So thank you for your help.

Carol Elkins
A Written Word LLC

At 11:09 AM 8/22/2019, Stefan Gentz wrote:
>I have removed your address from your profile for now, and it only 
>shows "United Kingdom" now.
>Let me know if you would like to get anything else changed.

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Re: [Framers] Installable FrameMaker

[Richard Melanson]

Everyone, 

I heard that Adobe is discontinuing support for any type of upgrade for 
perpetual licenses. The Adobe Software assurance is getting eliminated. Can 
anyone confirm??

Rick


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Subject: Re: [Framers] Installable FrameMaker

Whichever license you buy, you always have to download and install it.
You can buy a one-year license for $360 (which you can pay up front or in 
monthly installments of $30) or a permanent license for $1000.

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> I've been away for a very long time. Is it possible to download FM 
> with a licence and install it on your own computer? Or is only 
> available by
> (crippling) monthly subscription?
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Re: [Framers] FM 2019 - Graphic frame NOT autosizing

[Richard Melanson]

Don't mean to be nit-picky, shouldn't it be 15.0.3.603. Hope this helps.

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Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 2019 - Graphic frame NOT autosizing



Note: I am not a structure expert. I have used structured FrameMaker a little 
but I have not tried to create either EDDs or DTDs and wouldn't have the first 
idea of how to. ;-)



With that caveat out of the way, the way you worded your message makes it sound 
to me like your EDD is set up to use a single cell table to contain your figure 
title and the actual figure. There is a known bug in FrameMaker with respect to 
inserting a graphic into a table cell and having the graphic import in 
miniature. It should have been fixed in Update 3.



If your FrameMaker 2019 is fully updated (should show the version as 
15.0.0.603), then drop a line to Amitoj Singh 
(amisi...@adobe.com<mailto:amisi...@adobe.com>)



This is a link to the discussion on the FrameMaker forums. It might be of help. 
https://forums.adobe.com/message/10984702#10984702



On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 3:26 PM Stephanie Hutchison < 
shutchi...@mraservices.net<mailto:shutchi...@mraservices.net>> wrote:



> We've got something new happening with our upgrade to FrameMaker 2019.

> We're using Structured FM with an EDD.

>

> When we insert a Figure element into the structure, it automatically

> adds a Figure Title and a Figure Frame (which consists of a Figure Row

> and Figure Cell). Into that "cell" we've always just imported (by

> reference) our graphic and the graphic cell/window (for lack of better

> term) has always resized to fit the graphic. With FM 2019, when we

> perform the same steps, the graphic imports at between 2% and 4% of

> the actual size. Is there a setting I'm missing somewhere. Most of our

> graphics are half to full page graphics.

>

> Thanks in advance for any help.

>

> Stephanie Hutchison

> Manager of Data Operations

> MRA Services, Inc.

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Re: [Framers] Best Method, Word 2013 to Frame 2019.

[Richard Melanson]

First, let me belatedly thank Everyone for the great responses to my question 
below. I had almost forgotten just how good this list is. 

As I am the only Tech Writer where I work, I am swamped and have not been able 
to get to this conversion. I would like to give my boss an idea of what it 
would cost to get this outsourced. Anyone want to give me a dollar figure they 
would want to do this. 

Thanks again Everyone. 

Rick


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Subject: [Framers] Best Method, Word 2013 to Frame 2019.

Hi Everyone, 

I have read over the years numerous ways to get Word docs into FrameMaker. Is 
there one "best method" out there that everyone agrees is the way to go. 

I have a 413 page Word 2013 doc with embedded graphics, tables, and anything 
else you can through into Word. I have been away from Frame for about 6 or 7 
years so I have some catching up to do. My company just purchased the Adobe 
Tech Comm Suite for me, my recommendation, and want me to move ALL the Word 
stuff, starting with one of the biggest docs. 

I really appreciate any input you guys through at me as I ramp back up to using 
Frame again. 

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Re: [Framers] Entering codes for special characters/symbols

[Richard Melanson]

Wow these are great. Thank you for posting this to the list. 

Rick


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Subject: Re: [Framers] Entering codes for special characters/symbols

On 2 Apr 2019 at 13:32, Doug wrote:

> Can someone point me to a chart of the character codes and how they 
> need to be entered?

Doug, you may have a look at:
https://www.daube.ch/docu/files/compendium.pdf#page=52  - 56
https://www.daube.ch/docu/files/compendium.pdf#page=366 - 371

Although this file is «work in progress» the mentioned sections are settled 
since a while.

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[Framers] Best Method, Word 2013 to Frame 2019.

[Richard Melanson]

Hi Everyone, 

I have read over the years numerous ways to get Word docs into FrameMaker. Is 
there one "best method" out there that everyone agrees is the way to go. 

I have a 413 page Word 2013 doc with embedded graphics, tables, and anything 
else you can through into Word. I have been away from Frame for about 6 or 7 
years so I have some catching up to do. My company just purchased the Adobe 
Tech Comm Suite for me, my recommendation, and want me to move ALL the Word 
stuff, starting with one of the biggest docs. 

I really appreciate any input you guys through at me as I ramp back up to using 
Frame again. 

Thank you. 

Rick

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Re: [Framers] ANN: Where is my PDF?

[Richard Melanson]

You are the Man Rick. I have been using Frame since before it was ported from 
Unix to Windows, a long time ago. I make sure I read all your emails, they are 
always valuable. 

Keep up the good work Rick and thank you. 


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Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 10:09 PM
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Subject: [Framers] ANN: Where is my PDF?

To celebrate my 60th birthday on October 24, I have a gift for my FrameMaker 
friends using FM 2019!

 

http://frameautomation.com/framemaker-2019-where-is-my-pdf/

 

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585-729-6746

 

PS: I still feel like I am 30 :-).

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: [Framers] Advice on slimming down a guide; customized guides per customer??

[Richard Melanson]

That is a very good point. I withdraw my "opinion".  :-)


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Subject: Re: [Framers] Advice on slimming down a guide; customized guides per 
customer??

Where but on a FrameMaker list would you find an expert opinion about when it's 
the wrong tool for a particular job?

Doing complicated topic reuse using FrameMaker's conditional text is possible, 
but it's a painful and time-consuming kludge compared with tools that make it 
easy to assemble multiple books from a pool of topics.

The tradeoff is that FrameMaker is better at PDFs than any of those tools.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 1:38 PM Richard Melanson  
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>
> Why am I reading on a FrameMaker list that other products do things better 
> ???  Even if in your opinion they do, we don't need to hear it.
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Re: [Framers] Advice on slimming down a guide; customized guides per customer??

[Richard Melanson]

Why am I reading on a FrameMaker list that other products do things better ???  
Even if in your opinion they do, we don't need to hear it. 


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Subject: Re: [Framers] Advice on slimming down a guide; customized guides per 
customer??

As a thought, you could use put all the "boxes" into a chapter (family) and 
control its appearance with conditions by marking the text for that "box"
with a condition named for the customer. Then all you have to do when you 
create a book for a customer is set the Show Conditions to that customer's name 
and regenerate. That's actually probably the simplest solution, and FrameMaker 
is capable of handling dozens of conditions.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:33 AM Lin Sims  wrote:

> My apologies if this response is late; I've been on vacation.
>
> Assuming I understand the situation you are describing, I think your 
> best choice is number 2. There are a number of good guides that 
> describe how to use FrameMaker's numbering blocks to set up some 
> pretty complicated numbering schemes without too much difficulty (I'd 
> recommend the ones by Lester Smalley and Dan Emory and I can probably 
> dig those up for you if you can't find them on the web), and once 
> those are set up all you have to do is regenerate the book when you go 
> to publish, which you'd have to do anyway for the Table of Contents.
>
> You might also want to look into using Groups, which I believe will 
> let you use individual files (your boxes) as sections of a chapter 
> (your
> families) without having to mess too much with the numbering scheme. I 
> haven't used Groups, though, so I can't provide too much advice on that.
> The only caveat here is that each box will start on a new page, 
> because that's how FrameMaker handles files collected into a book.
>
> I do not think text insets is a good choice here, since you would have 
> to relink the text insets every time you create a book depending on 
> what's used for a particular customer and that could get both tedious 
> and error prone depending on how many customers you have.
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 8:24 AM Caroline Tabach 
> 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have converted the very large Word user guide to FrameMaker.  I am 
>> using Unstructured Frame 2017
>>
>> This is a guide for a product which has general information about how 
>> to use the product at the beginning, and a few chapters with general 
>> information at the end.
>>
>>
>>
>> The product is made up of  100 "boxes" which belong to 5 families  (I 
>> am just calling them boxes for the sake of the example)
>>
>> The FrameMaker book I made uses only chapters, not volumes, there is 
>> a chapter for each box family, with information about each of the 
>> boxes in that family.
>>
>> Each customer only needs to user 4 or 5 "boxes", so we want to make 
>> user guides that are smaller and more focused
>>
>> I have made a book with everything in it, and now I want to show the 
>> SME how we can use Frame to make smaller guides. I am wondering about 
>> the best way to do this.
>>
>> 1. Make 5 books each with one box family in it, which will contain 
>> info about all the boxes in that family as well as the general 
>> information. end users will receive the guide with info about the box 
>> family, they will have info about 15 boxes even if they only bought 
>> one
>>
>> 2. Redo the guide that I did and make the box families to be volumes, 
>> and then each box is a chapter. .
>>
>> This means it will be easy to add or remove boxes from the guide, 
>> this also means it is possible to customize the guides per customers 
>> The company are using heading numbering, so this means redoing all of 
>> the heading of all the paragraph styles, which might get complicated
>>
>> 3. Another idea I had was to set the book up as described above, with 
>> a chapter for each box family, but to have each box as a text inset, 
>> and be able to create user guides per box. Highly customizing this, 
>> but means I don't have to mess with the numbering, but maybe this 
>> will make life complicated
>>
>> What would you recommend?
>>
>> Are there advantages and disadvantages of each method?
>>
>> Thanks for your ideas
>>
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Re: [Framers] OFF TOPIC: Adobe CS6.

[Richard Melanson]

Nobody ??


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Subject: [Framers] OFF TOPIC: Adobe CS6.

Everyone,
I am currently using adobe CS4, which has Bridge, Device Central, Dreamweaver, 
Drive, Extend Script, Extension Manager, FireWorks, Flash Pro, Illustrator, 
InDesign, Media Encoder, and Photoshop.

My company will not spring for the subscription for these or even some of 
these, so I am left with trying to find someone or someplace to buy a legit CS6 
license. 

Can anyone here point me in the direction that will help me get a legitimate 
license for CS6. 

I really appreciate any help you can give me. 

Thank you. 

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[Framers] OFF TOPIC: Adobe CS6.

[Richard Melanson]

Everyone, 
I am currently using adobe CS4, which has Bridge, Device Central, Dreamweaver, 
Drive, Extend Script, Extension Manager, FireWorks, Flash Pro, Illustrator, 
InDesign, Media Encoder, and Photoshop.

My company will not spring for the subscription for these or even some of 
these, so I am left with trying to find someone or someplace to buy a legit CS6 
license. 

Can anyone here point me in the direction that will help me get a legitimate 
license for CS6. 

I really appreciate any help you can give me. 

Thank you. 

Rick
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Re: [Framers] FM-15 aka 2019: autosave broken

[Richard Melanson]

I had gotten approval from my supervisor to purchase this. I am NOT going to 
allow the PO to go any further until Adobe fixes all the problems I am hearing 
about. 


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Subject: [Framers] FM-15 aka 2019: autosave broken

Dear friends,
This kills my enthusiasm about FM-15: 
https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-5241

This seems to be new in the last build, because I never encountered this 
situation during the beta test period.

Klaus Daube
~~
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Re: [Framers] ANN: FrameMaker 2019

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My company purchase TC 2017 a little over a year ago, and 44 days after the 
purchase, I remember the number because Adobe fussed a little, an upgrade came 
out. After pushing Adobe, they gave it to me no charge. 

I would guess you will have no problem getting the latest version. 


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In the past, they have provided free updates to customers who purchased the 
older version within some time frame (30 to 90 days) of the new release. But 
like a lot of things, you only got it if you asked for it.


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My company bought me 2017 last week.

Couldn't Adobe tell them to wait a week?

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Re: [Framers] OFF TOPIC, Translation Need.

[Richard Melanson]

THANK YOU Everyone. All the translation responses have been outstanding. 

Rick

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Hello Framers, 

Anyone want to recommend a good translation company. Going to start with 
German. 

Thank you All. 

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Hello Framers, 

Anyone want to recommend a good translation company. Going to start with 
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[Framers] U3D Question.

[Richard Melanson]

Hello Everyone, 

My company just upgraded from SolidWorks 2014 to 2017 and they no longer can 
give me .u3d files. I bet some of you have run into this, what are you doing, 
is there some wort of workaround. This really stinks. 

Thank you for any help you can give me. 

Rick

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RE: Extracting art from Word docs

[Richard Melanson]

I use Microsoft Photo Editor. You can simply select the graphic you
want, copy it and paste it into Photo Editor with no loss of quality and
you also have multiple formats to save it as out of Photo Editor. I use
this for Word XP, 2003, and 2007. Hope this helps.
Rick



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I seem to remember something like renaming it as a zip file  using the
extractor to unpack the files?



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Esteemed colleagues,

 

A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for saving a Word
(docx) document such that the art was automatically extracted into a
separate folder from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique?
We are converting a number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame
templates and would very much like to have this technique in hand.
Thanks in advance.

 

 

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you also have multiple formats to save it as out of Photo Editor. I use
this for Word XP, 2003, and 2007. Hope this helps.
Rick



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I seem to remember something like renaming it as a zip file & using the
extractor to unpack the files?



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Esteemed colleagues,



A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for saving a Word
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separate folder from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique?
We are converting a number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame
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Job Posting Question.

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Hi Everyone, Am I allowed to post a job if my company is looking for a
Contract Technical Writer. Thank you. 

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JOB: Contract Technical Writer, MA

[Richard Melanson]

Looking for a Sr. Technical Writer who creates, edits, formats, and
project-manages technical documentation including User Guides,
Maintenance Manuals, and Troubleshooting Guides for capital equipment.
The Sr. Technical Writer will take the lead in technical writing,
editing, and proofreading all documents. This person may also play a
supporting role in print production, product photography, and image
production. This role will interact with a large number of internal
customers (Engineering, Marketing, Training, Regulatory, and Legal).

Minimum 5 years as a Sr. Technical Writer. Expertise using mainstream
publishing and graphics tools such as Adobe FrameMaker, Adobe Creative
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3 month contract. Location is near Boston, MA on Route 128/95. Please
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Hi Everyone, Am I allowed to post a job if my company is looking for a
Contract Technical Writer. Thank you. 

Rick

JOB: Contract Technical Writer, MA

[Richard Melanson]

Looking for a Sr. Technical Writer who creates, edits, formats, and
project-manages technical documentation including User Guides,
Maintenance Manuals, and Troubleshooting Guides for capital equipment.
The Sr. Technical Writer will take the lead in technical writing,
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Minimum 5 years as a Sr. Technical Writer. Expertise using mainstream
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3 month contract. Location is near Boston, MA on Route 128/95. Please
email me directly if you have any questions, thank you. 
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RE: Landscape 11 x 17

[Richard Melanson]

I could have sworn you could do it, well at least I feel better about
myself  lol  :-)  Thank you for your help Mr. Quatro. 
Rick 

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Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:24 PM
To: Richard Melanson; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Landscape 11 x 17

Hi Rick,

Your brain is probably OK. You can't remember how to do it because it
can't be done. You can mix portrait and landscape pages in the same
document as long as they are the same size. The only way to do what you
want is to use a book and insert the 11 x 17 document at the appropriate
location in the book.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
r...@frameexpert.com

*** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com

OK Framers,
 
I now officially consider myself brain dead. I, for the life of me,
cannot remember how to put a page that is 11 x 17 landscape into a
document that is all portrait 8.5 x 11 . I have searched through both
the Frame Help manuals I have and I am still dead in the water, sorry
brain dead. May I please ask that someone point me in the correct
direction so I can get this done. I am very embarrassed to have to ask
this  :-(

Rick
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I could have sworn you could do it, well at least I feel better about
myself  lol  :-)  Thank you for your help Mr. Quatro. 
Rick 

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Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:24 PM
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Subject: RE: Landscape 11 x 17

Hi Rick,

Your brain is probably OK. You can't remember how to do it because it
can't be done. You can mix portrait and landscape pages in the same
document as long as they are the same size. The only way to do what you
want is to use a book and insert the 11 x 17 document at the appropriate
location in the book.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
rick at frameexpert.com

*** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com

OK Framers,

I now officially consider myself brain dead. I, for the life of me,
cannot remember how to put a page that is 11 x 17 landscape into a
document that is all portrait 8.5 x 11 . I have searched through both
the Frame Help manuals I have and I am still dead in the water, sorry
brain dead. May I please ask that someone point me in the correct
direction so I can get this done. I am very embarrassed to have to ask
this  :-(

Rick
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Landscape 11 x 17

[Richard Melanson]

OK Framers,
 
I now officially consider myself brain dead. I, for the life of me,
cannot remember how to put a page that is 11 x 17 landscape into a
document that is all portrait 8.5 x 11 . I have searched through both
the Frame Help manuals I have and I am still dead in the water, sorry
brain dead. May I please ask that someone point me in the correct
direction so I can get this done. I am very embarrassed to have to ask
this  :-(

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OK Framers,

I now officially consider myself brain dead. I, for the life of me,
cannot remember how to put a page that is 11 x 17 landscape into a
document that is all portrait 8.5 x 11 . I have searched through both
the Frame Help manuals I have and I am still dead in the water, sorry
brain dead. May I please ask that someone point me in the correct
direction so I can get this done. I am very embarrassed to have to ask
this  :-(

Rick

RE: Extracting embedded graphics from Word

[Richard Melanson]

Does anyone remember Microsoft Photo Editor. Trying to get photos,
screen captures, any graphic out of Word using everything I have learned
over 16 years being a technical writer never worked. One day I happened
to be on one of the old computers at my home and Microsoft Photo Editor
was installed, so I put the Word file on the old computer, opened it,
copied a graphic from it into Photo Editor by selecting Edit then Past
as New Image in Photo Editor and VOILA, I could save as .BMP, .JPG, etc
with NO QUALITY LOSS. I use the method to this day. Hope everyone finds
this helpful.
Rick

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Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:36 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: Extracting embedded graphics from Word

Hi all -

I just found out that client is going to make the writers recapture all
the screens so I'm off the hook. Thanks for all the helpful info!

Pat

On Jun 30, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Pinkham, Jim wrote:

 It's always a last-ditch optioin, but it risks a sometimes harsh cost 
 in compromised image quality.

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 Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 3:22 PM
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 Pat,

 The best way I have found to do this is to print the Word document to 
 PDF, then use Acrobat to extract the applicable pages and crop away 
 everything except the graphics you need. Then the PDF becomes your 
 source file for the graphics. This works no matter what the original 
 graphic format was or how they got into Word.

 Clint


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 Hi -

 I have approximately 2000 pages to convert from Word to Frame. The 
 graphics are embedded but the client wants them imported by reference 
 in Frame. I tried extracting them from Word by saving a file as HTML

 but the graphics became blurry and unusable. They look fine when I 
 open the Word file in Frame.

 Is there a way to extract graphics from Word without losing quality?
 Or a utility that converts embedded graphics in Frame into imported- 
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RE: Extracting embedded graphics from Word

[Richard Melanson]

Nice stuff, thanks a million for sharing !!!
Rick 

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Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 5:37 PM
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Subject: Re: Extracting embedded graphics from Word

Daid,

You're a gem :)

That is going to save me s much time in future.

Oh, and I opened an old document (pre-2003 in Word 97 format), saved it
in docx and the images were preserved in accordance with your process
below. :D

Alan

On 2/07/2010, at 8:53 AM, David Creamer wrote:

 If the file is Word 2007 (and presumably 2010), you can make a copy of

 the file, change the extension from .docx to .zip.

 Uncompress the zip and the graphics (Word optimized and originals) 
 will all be in a media folder. (This works for PowerPoint 2007 too.)

 I have not tried taking a Word 2003 file and saving it as 2007 to 
 process this way, so I don't know if it will work or not.


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Extracting embedded graphics from Word

[Richard Melanson]

Does anyone remember Microsoft Photo Editor. Trying to get photos,
screen captures, any graphic out of Word using everything I have learned
over 16 years being a technical writer never worked. One day I happened
to be on one of the old computers at my home and Microsoft Photo Editor
was installed, so I put the Word file on the old computer, opened it,
copied a graphic from it into Photo Editor by selecting Edit then Past
as New Image in Photo Editor and VOILA, I could save as .BMP, .JPG, etc
with NO QUALITY LOSS. I use the method to this day. Hope everyone finds
this helpful.
Rick

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Subject: Re: Extracting embedded graphics from Word

Hi all -

I just found out that client is going to make the writers recapture all
the screens so I'm off the hook. Thanks for all the helpful info!

Pat

On Jun 30, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Pinkham, Jim wrote:

> It's always a last-ditch optioin, but it risks a sometimes harsh cost 
> in compromised image quality.
>
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>
> Pat,
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> The best way I have found to do this is to print the Word document to 
> PDF, then use Acrobat to extract the applicable pages and crop away 
> everything except the graphics you need. Then the PDF becomes your 
> source file for the graphics. This works no matter what the original 
> graphic format was or how they got into Word.
>
> Clint
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> Hi -
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> I have approximately 2000 pages to convert from Word to Frame. The 
> graphics are embedded but the client wants them imported by reference 
> in Frame. I tried "extracting" them from Word by saving a file as HTML

> but the graphics became blurry and unusable. They look fine when I 
> open the Word file in Frame.
>
> Is there a way to extract graphics from Word without losing quality?
> Or a utility that converts embedded graphics in Frame into imported- 
> by-reference?
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Extracting embedded graphics from Word

[Richard Melanson]

Nice stuff, thanks a million for sharing !!!
Rick 

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan T
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Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 5:37 PM
To: David Creamer
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Subject: Re: Extracting embedded graphics from Word

Daid,

You're a gem :)

That is going to save me s much time in future.

Oh, and I opened an old document (pre-2003 in Word 97 format), saved it
in docx and the images were preserved in accordance with your process
below. :D

Alan

On 2/07/2010, at 8:53 AM, David Creamer wrote:

> If the file is Word 2007 (and presumably 2010), you can make a copy of

> the file, change the extension from .docx to .zip.
>
> Uncompress the zip and the graphics (Word optimized and originals) 
> will all be in a media folder. (This works for PowerPoint 2007 too.)
>
> I have not tried taking a Word 2003 file and saving it as 2007 to 
> process this way, so I don't know if it will work or not.
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FW: Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2, Is It Worth It ?

[Richard Melanson]

I am running Frame 8 with all patches and Acrobat Pro 8 with all
patches. In the future, we want to do all the things that the Tech Comm
Suite addresses. BUT I get the impression that Tech Comm Suite 2 is not
stable, quirky, maybe buggy. Is it worth it really to get the suite now
or wait a little longer until it matures, thank you everyone for your
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I am running Frame 8 with all patches and Acrobat Pro 8 with all
patches. In the future, we want to do all the things that the Tech Comm
Suite addresses. BUT I get the impression that Tech Comm Suite 2 is not
stable, quirky, maybe buggy. Is it worth it really to get the suite now
or wait a little longer until it matures, thank you everyone for your
input. 

Rick

RE: Technical Communication Suite

[Richard Melanson]

I, too, am in the process of reviewing if it is worth it to upgrade to
the TCS. I have Framemaker 8. My initial impression is the TCS is not
stable. Thank you everyone for your input. 
Rick 

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Hi all,

I am interested in buying the Adobe Technical Communication Suite (TCS),
and was wondering if anyone had experience of upgrading to the TCS from
a previous version of FrameMaker.

I currently use FM 7.2 and WebWorks ePublisher 9.2. Does anyone know if
FM 9.0 will work with ePublisher 9.2?

If I buy an upgrade to TCS from Fm 7.2, can I continue to use FM 7.2 and
install the other components of the TCS? If I continue to use FM7.2, can
I use it with the Acrobat 9.0 Pro Extended in the TCS?

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Technical Communication Suite

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I, too, am in the process of reviewing if it is worth it to upgrade to
the TCS. I have Framemaker 8. My initial impression is the TCS is not
stable. Thank you everyone for your input. 
Rick 

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Hi all,

I am interested in buying the Adobe Technical Communication Suite (TCS),
and was wondering if anyone had experience of upgrading to the TCS from
a previous version of FrameMaker.

I currently use FM 7.2 and WebWorks ePublisher 9.2. Does anyone know if
FM 9.0 will work with ePublisher 9.2?

If I buy an upgrade to TCS from Fm 7.2, can I continue to use FM 7.2 and
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RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

[Richard Melanson]

I am not sure who posted the suggestion on using Heroic Open, but it
worked. When I open via this method, the Ignore and Skip work fine and I
am able to do whatever I need with the file. Thank you Everyone for all
your assistance. 
Rick
 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Melanson
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:31 PM
To: Combs, Richard
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

Thank you for your input Richard, unfortunately, I am completely
dependent on them and their system, when they are changing a file, it is
moved to a pending directory. I have no say in this matter. I am just
doing the best I can with what I have. Any idea why I still have the
problem?  Thank you. 
Rick 

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From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:01 PM
To: Richard Melanson
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

Richard Melanson wrote:
 
 I use the import by reference function as a kind of alerting system.
My
 Engineering group has a bunch of directories filled with schematic and

 mechanical drawings they convert to jpg or png or pdf. I then import
by
 reference from these directories into my Frame file to create a
drawing
 book. If Engineering is changing a drawing, it is taken out of its 
 original directory and placed into a pending directory waiting for the

 DCO and the new drawing to become available. When Engineering moves
the
 file, this breaks the import by reference link thus alerting me that
my
 drawing book needs to be updated.
 
 Its at this point I run into my problem of not being able to get by
the
 Missing File window. I have also run into the scenario you state below

 where multiple files have been moved for updating. I get an  updated 
 drawing placed back into its original directory, Frame recognizes the 
 new drawing and moves on to the next missing file and sticks, its as
if
 the Ignore and Skip functions just don't work.

OK, I see now. 

If multiple missing files are all in the same new location, say
../pending_graphics, then in the FM Missing Files dialog, you only need
to identify the new path once for the first missing file. FM will look
in that same location for the other missing ones, rather than bothering
you again. 

Of course, with your workflow, you'll have to point FM back to the
original location once the changed files are DCOed. A PITA, for sure... 

Personally, I think the workflow leaves a lot to be desired. If a
graphics directory is the repository for files imported into FM by
reference, then those files should never be removed, only replaced by
newer versions with the same name. 

A different alerting system can surely be devised. For instance, if
there is a file xyz_123.png in the ../graphics directory, the appearance
of a file with the same name in the ../pending_graphics directory should
be enough of an alert without the former being removed. If the engineers
can't/won't leave the former where it is pending DCO of the latter, then
perhaps you should use a different directory as the source for the
graphics. Copy all the files in ../graphics to your /docsource_graphics
directory. A script could do that. A script could also look at
../pending_graphics periodically to alert you to upcoming changes. 

Richard


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Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

[Richard Melanson]

I am not sure who posted the suggestion on using Heroic Open, but it
worked. When I open via this method, the Ignore and Skip work fine and I
am able to do whatever I need with the file. Thank you Everyone for all
your assistance. 
Rick


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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Melanson
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:31 PM
To: Combs, Richard
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

Thank you for your input Richard, unfortunately, I am completely
dependent on them and their system, when they are changing a file, it is
moved to a pending directory. I have no say in this matter. I am just
doing the best I can with what I have. Any idea why I still have the
problem?  Thank you. 
Rick 

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From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:01 PM
To: Richard Melanson
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

Richard Melanson wrote:

> I use the import by reference function as a kind of alerting system.
My
> Engineering group has a bunch of directories filled with schematic and

> mechanical drawings they convert to jpg or png or pdf. I then import
by
> reference from these directories into my Frame file to create a
drawing
> book. If Engineering is changing a drawing, it is taken out of its 
> original directory and placed into a pending directory waiting for the

> DCO and the new drawing to become available. When Engineering moves
the
> file, this breaks the import by reference link thus alerting me that
my
> drawing book needs to be updated.
> 
> Its at this point I run into my problem of not being able to get by
the
> Missing File window. I have also run into the scenario you state below

> where multiple files have been moved for updating. I get an  updated 
> drawing placed back into its original directory, Frame recognizes the 
> new drawing and moves on to the next missing file and sticks, its as
if
> the Ignore and Skip functions just don't work.

OK, I see now. 

If multiple missing files are all in the same new location, say
../pending_graphics, then in the FM Missing Files dialog, you only need
to identify the new path once for the first missing file. FM will look
in that same location for the other missing ones, rather than bothering
you again. 

Of course, with your workflow, you'll have to point FM back to the
original location once the changed files are DCOed. A PITA, for sure... 

Personally, I think the workflow leaves a lot to be desired. If a
graphics directory is the repository for files imported into FM by
reference, then those files should never be removed, only replaced by
newer versions with the same name. 

A different alerting system can surely be devised. For instance, if
there is a file xyz_123.png in the ../graphics directory, the appearance
of a file with the same name in the ../pending_graphics directory should
be enough of an alert without the former being removed. If the engineers
can't/won't leave the former where it is pending DCO of the latter, then
perhaps you should use a different directory as the source for the
graphics. Copy all the files in ../graphics to your /docsource_graphics
directory. A script could do that. A script could also look at
../pending_graphics periodically to alert you to upcoming changes. 

Richard


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Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

[Richard Melanson]

Hi Framers, 

I have Frame 8 with all the updates/patches running on a WinXp system
with 3gig RAM, 500gig HD, and a 2GHz Core 2 CPU. I have about 55
drawings imported by reference in a single Frame file. When one or more
of the imported by reference drawings changes, Frame gives the option to
update the path to the drawing or to skip the file or ignore all missing
files. When I try to select skip this file or ignore all missing files,
frame just redisplays the Missing File window. I have made sure Frame is
not looking for a different drawing, I cannot get Frame to skip or
ignore. Anyone ever had this problem, thank you all in advance for your
help. 

Rick
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RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

[Richard Melanson]

Thank you for your quick response David. I cant get by the Missing File
window. I can click on ignore or skip 100 times and Frame just keeps
redisplaying the Missing File window. Frame will not allow me to skip or
ignore, I cannot get access to the Frame file unless I update to the new
drawing. 

Rick

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From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM
To: Richard Melanson; 'Combs, Richard'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

Rick,
The only way that I can see is that something in the path or filename of
the graphics must be different or you aren't saving the Frame file once
you have redirected the file to point to the proper graphic file
location.

When you open a Frame file, that can't locate a referenced graphic, and
you select to skip this file, the next time you open that particular
Frame file, it will again ask for the correct graphic file location,
even if you have saved the file.

Check the path and filename of the referenced graphic files. The
complete path and filename MUST remain identical.

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From: Richard Melanson [mailto:rmelan...@spirecorp.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:34 AM
To: David Spreadbury; Combs, Richard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

Hi Framers, 

I have Frame 8 with all the updates/patches running on a WinXp system
with 3gig RAM, 500gig HD, and a 2GHz Core 2 CPU. I have about 55
drawings imported by reference in a single Frame file. When one or more
of the imported by reference drawings changes, Frame gives the option to
update the path to the drawing or to skip the file or ignore all missing
files. When I try to select skip this file or ignore all missing files,
frame just redisplays the Missing File window. I have made sure Frame is
not looking for a different drawing, I cannot get Frame to skip or
ignore. Anyone ever had this problem, thank you all in advance for your
help. 

Rick


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RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

[Richard Melanson]

 In the Missing File dialog, you're selecting Ignore All Missing Files
and clicking Continue, and FM just keeps displaying the dialog? That's
decidedly odd... 

YES, exactly !  Or skip.

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From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:36 PM
To: Richard Melanson; David Spreadbury; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

Richard Melanson wrote:
 
 Thank you for your quick response David. I cant get by the Missing
File
 window. I can click on ignore or skip 100 times and Frame just keeps 
 redisplaying the Missing File window. Frame will not allow me to skip
or
 ignore, I cannot get access to the Frame file unless I update to the
new
 drawing.

In the Misssing File dialog, you're selecting Ignore All Missing Files
and clicking Continue, and FM just keeps displaying the dialog? That's
decidedly odd... 

OTOH, I have to wonder why the file path or name of your
imported-by-reference drawings keeps changing. What is it about your
workflow that causes this problem to keep coming up? Maybe you can fix
that part so this just doesn't happen anymore. 

Richard


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RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

[Richard Melanson]

I was unemployed for a while a few years ago and through the generosity
of Omni Systems, I received a copy of MIF2Go. After the response below,
wash as MIF caught my attention I Googled it. This appears to be a
function of MIF2Go, I am probably stating what everyone already knows
:-)  Anyway, I do NOT have the wash as MIF option in the file menu of
Frame. How do I get it?
Rick



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Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:32 PM
To: dspre...@yahoo.com; Richard Melanson; richard.co...@polycom.com;
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?


Before resorting to what Dov Isaacs calls reinstallsheimer's disease,
I'd try a quick wash as MIF operation on the offending file. It seems
much more likely to me that something has become corrupt in the one
document file that Rick is having problems with rather than FrameMaker
itself having become corrupted. 

-Fred Ridder


 
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 To: rmelan...@spirecorp.com; richard.co...@polycom.com;
framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:22:38 -0500
 
 Rick,
 On your first email, I opened a graphic and made some edits. I did not
 change the graphic filename. Then open the corresponding Frame file
without
 any problems.
 
 I renamed the graphic file and reopened the Frame book. When it ran
into the
 missing graphic, I selected Ignore and it just ignored that graphic
and
 opened the file. I closed the Frame file and tried it again and
selected
 Skip and got the same response.
 
 This tends to tell me that something in Frame has gotten corrupted.
You
 might try reinstalling, at least the latest patch (p277) and then try
 opening the file. If this doesn't fix it, then I would re0install
Frame8 and
 then, of course, all updates.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Richard Melanson [mailto:rmelan...@spirecorp.com] 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:04 AM
 To: David Spreadbury; Combs, Richard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
 
 Thank you for your quick response David. I cant get by the Missing
File
 window. I can click on ignore or skip 100 times and Frame just keeps
 redisplaying the Missing File window. Frame will not allow me to skip
or
 ignore, I cannot get access to the Frame file unless I update to the
new
 drawing. 
 
 Rick
 
 -Original Message-
 From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com] 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM
 To: Richard Melanson; 'Combs, Richard'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
 
 Rick,
 The only way that I can see is that something in the path or filename
of
 the graphics must be different or you aren't saving the Frame file
once
 you have redirected the file to point to the proper graphic file
 location.
 
 When you open a Frame file, that can't locate a referenced graphic,
and
 you select to skip this file, the next time you open that particular
 Frame file, it will again ask for the correct graphic file location,
 even if you have saved the file.
 
 Check the path and filename of the referenced graphic files. The
 complete path and filename MUST remain identical.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Richard Melanson [mailto:rmelan...@spirecorp.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:34 AM
 To: David Spreadbury; Combs, Richard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
 
 Hi Framers, 
 
 I have Frame 8 with all the updates/patches running on a WinXp system
 with 3gig RAM, 500gig HD, and a 2GHz Core 2 CPU. I have about 55
 drawings imported by reference in a single Frame file. When one or
more
 of the imported by reference drawings changes, Frame gives the option
to
 update the path to the drawing or to skip the file or ignore all
missing
 files. When I try to select skip this file or ignore all missing
files,
 frame just redisplays the Missing File window. I have made sure Frame
is
 not looking for a different drawing, I cannot get Frame to skip or
 ignore. Anyone ever had this problem, thank you all in advance for
your
 help. 
 
 Rick
 
 
 
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RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

[Richard Melanson]

I still have my copy of MIF2Go, I just don't know if there were any changes 
over the years, and the menu option is not there. But I will do the Save as Mif 
from Framemaker and see if that addresses the problem.
Rick 

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 3:27 PM
To: Kelly McDaniel
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Fei Min Lorente
Subject: Re: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

No, SaveAs MIF and the Omsys Wash As MIF menu entry do the same thing.
Only difference is that SaveAs takes a couple manual steps and the menu is a 
single click.

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a 
redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Kelly McDanielkmcdan...@pavtech.com wrote:
 I always thought that Wash as MIF could also mean, Save an FM file as 
 a MIF file within FM, then open it in FM. It's a habit from the 
 previous century. Am I misinformed?...Kelly.

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min 
 Lorente
 Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:56 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

 Hi Rick:

 As far as I know, you have to install Mif2Go to get the Wash via MIF
 option on the File menu. If you don't still have your copy, you could 
 download the trial version and see if that feature works for you.

 Fei Min

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
 Melanson
 Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:45 PM
 To: Fred Ridder; dspre...@yahoo.com; richard.co...@polycom.com; 
 framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

 I was unemployed for a while a few years ago and through the 
 generosity of Omni Systems, I received a copy of MIF2Go. After the 
 response below, wash as MIF caught my attention I Googled it. This 
 appears to be a function of MIF2Go, I am probably stating what 
 everyone already knows
 :-)  Anyway, I do NOT have the wash as MIF option in the file menu 
 of Frame. How do I get it?
 Rick

 

 From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:32 PM
 To: dspre...@yahoo.com; Richard Melanson; richard.co...@polycom.com; 
 framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?


 Before resorting to what Dov Isaacs calls reinstallsheimer's 
 disease, I'd try a quick wash as MIF operation on the offending 
 file. It seems much more likely to me that something has become 
 corrupt in the one document file that Rick is having problems with 
 rather than FrameMaker itself having become corrupted.

 -Fred Ridder



 From: dspre...@yahoo.com
 To: rmelan...@spirecorp.com; richard.co...@polycom.com;
 framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:22:38 -0500

 Rick,
 On your first email, I opened a graphic and made some edits. I did 
 not change the graphic filename. Then open the corresponding Frame 
 file
 without
 any problems.

 I renamed the graphic file and reopened the Frame book. When it ran
 into the
 missing graphic, I selected Ignore and it just ignored that graphic
 and
 opened the file. I closed the Frame file and tried it again and
 selected
 Skip and got the same response.

 This tends to tell me that something in Frame has gotten corrupted.
 You
 might try reinstalling, at least the latest patch (p277) and then try 
 opening the file. If this doesn't fix it, then I would re0install
 Frame8 and
 then, of course, all updates.

 -Original Message-
 From: Richard Melanson [mailto:rmelan...@spirecorp.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:04 AM
 To: David Spreadbury; Combs, Richard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

 Thank you for your quick response David. I cant get by the Missing
 File
 window. I can click on ignore or skip 100 times and Frame just keeps 
 redisplaying the Missing File window. Frame will not allow me to skip
 or
 ignore, I cannot get access to the Frame file unless I update to the
 new
 drawing.

 Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM
 To: Richard Melanson; 'Combs, Richard'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

 Rick,
 The only way that I can see is that something in the path or filename
 of
 the graphics must be different or you aren't saving the Frame file
 once
 you have redirected the file

RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

[Richard Melanson]

 Boy do I feel stupid  :-)

I am trying to open a file to save it as a MIF file to clean out any 
impurities that I am unable to open because of the impurities. I cannot get by 
the Missing File box!   HELP  :-)

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Richard Melanson
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 3:34 PM
To: Art Campbell; Kelly McDaniel
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Fei Min Lorente
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

I still have my copy of MIF2Go, I just don't know if there were any changes 
over the years, and the menu option is not there. But I will do the Save as Mif 
from Framemaker and see if that addresses the problem.
Rick 

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 3:27 PM
To: Kelly McDaniel
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Fei Min Lorente
Subject: Re: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

No, SaveAs MIF and the Omsys Wash As MIF menu entry do the same thing.
Only difference is that SaveAs takes a couple manual steps and the menu is a 
single click.

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a 
redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Kelly McDanielkmcdan...@pavtech.com wrote:
 I always thought that Wash as MIF could also mean, Save an FM file as 
 a MIF file within FM, then open it in FM. It's a habit from the 
 previous century. Am I misinformed?...Kelly.

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min 
 Lorente
 Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:56 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

 Hi Rick:

 As far as I know, you have to install Mif2Go to get the Wash via MIF
 option on the File menu. If you don't still have your copy, you could 
 download the trial version and see if that feature works for you.

 Fei Min

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
 Melanson
 Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:45 PM
 To: Fred Ridder; dspre...@yahoo.com; richard.co...@polycom.com; 
 framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

 I was unemployed for a while a few years ago and through the 
 generosity of Omni Systems, I received a copy of MIF2Go. After the 
 response below, wash as MIF caught my attention I Googled it. This 
 appears to be a function of MIF2Go, I am probably stating what 
 everyone already knows
 :-)  Anyway, I do NOT have the wash as MIF option in the file menu 
 of Frame. How do I get it?
 Rick

 

 From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:32 PM
 To: dspre...@yahoo.com; Richard Melanson; richard.co...@polycom.com; 
 framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?


 Before resorting to what Dov Isaacs calls reinstallsheimer's 
 disease, I'd try a quick wash as MIF operation on the offending 
 file. It seems much more likely to me that something has become 
 corrupt in the one document file that Rick is having problems with 
 rather than FrameMaker itself having become corrupted.

 -Fred Ridder



 From: dspre...@yahoo.com
 To: rmelan...@spirecorp.com; richard.co...@polycom.com;
 framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:22:38 -0500

 Rick,
 On your first email, I opened a graphic and made some edits. I did 
 not change the graphic filename. Then open the corresponding Frame 
 file
 without
 any problems.

 I renamed the graphic file and reopened the Frame book. When it ran
 into the
 missing graphic, I selected Ignore and it just ignored that graphic
 and
 opened the file. I closed the Frame file and tried it again and
 selected
 Skip and got the same response.

 This tends to tell me that something in Frame has gotten corrupted.
 You
 might try reinstalling, at least the latest patch (p277) and then try 
 opening the file. If this doesn't fix it, then I would re0install
 Frame8 and
 then, of course, all updates.

 -Original Message-
 From: Richard Melanson [mailto:rmelan...@spirecorp.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:04 AM
 To: David Spreadbury; Combs, Richard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

 Thank you for your quick response David. I cant get by the Missing
 File
 window. I can click on ignore or skip 100 times and Frame just keeps 
 redisplaying the Missing File window. Frame will not allow me

RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

[Richard Melanson]

My apologies Richard, you did state this in an earlier response. 

I use the import by reference function as a kind of alerting system. My
Engineering group has a bunch of directories filled with schematic and
mechanical drawings they convert to jpg or png or pdf. I then import by
reference from these directories into my Frame file to create a drawing
book. If Engineering is changing a drawing, it is taken out of its
original directory and placed into a pending directory waiting for the
DCO and the new drawing to become available. When Engineering moves the
file, this breaks the import by reference link thus alerting me that my
drawing book needs to be updated. 

Its at this point I run into my problem of not being able to get by the
Missing File window. I have also run into the scenario you state below
where multiple files have been moved for updating. I get an  updated
drawing placed back into its original directory, Frame recognizes the
new drawing and moves on to the next missing file and sticks, its as if
the Ignore and Skip functions just don't work. 

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 4:13 PM
To: Richard Melanson
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

Richard Melanson wrote:
 
  Boy do I feel stupid  :-)
 
 I am trying to open a file to save it as a MIF file to clean out any 
 impurities that I am unable to open because of the impurities. I
cannot
 get by the Missing File box!   HELP  :-)

Um, you can't open it because it can't find one or more graphics
imported by reference, right? 

Well, I hate to repeat myself, but: I have to wonder why the file path
or name of your imported-by-reference drawings keeps changing. What is
it about your workflow that causes this problem to keep coming up? Maybe
you can fix that part so this just doesn't happen anymore. 

Or to deal specifically with the immediate problem: 

1) In the Missing File dialog, FM tells you the path and name of the
file that's missing. Make a note of it, and then cancel. 

2) Put a file of the correct name in the correct location -- preferably
the actual file that should be used, but any file of that type will do. 

3) Try opening the FM file again. If the Missing File dialog reports
another missing file, try the Ignore option, and if that doesn't work,
repeat step 2. 

4) Repeat step 3 until the FM file opens. 

Once it's open, you can try the MIF wash business, but I strongly
suggest you instead focus on finding out why you keep having these
missing file problems and fixing that. 

HTH!
Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
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RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

[Richard Melanson]

Thank you for your input Richard, unfortunately, I am completely
dependent on them and their system, when they are changing a file, it is
moved to a pending directory. I have no say in this matter. I am just
doing the best I can with what I have. Any idea why I still have the
problem?  Thank you. 
Rick 

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:01 PM
To: Richard Melanson
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

Richard Melanson wrote:
 
 I use the import by reference function as a kind of alerting system.
My
 Engineering group has a bunch of directories filled with schematic and

 mechanical drawings they convert to jpg or png or pdf. I then import
by
 reference from these directories into my Frame file to create a
drawing
 book. If Engineering is changing a drawing, it is taken out of its 
 original directory and placed into a pending directory waiting for the

 DCO and the new drawing to become available. When Engineering moves
the
 file, this breaks the import by reference link thus alerting me that
my
 drawing book needs to be updated.
 
 Its at this point I run into my problem of not being able to get by
the
 Missing File window. I have also run into the scenario you state below

 where multiple files have been moved for updating. I get an  updated 
 drawing placed back into its original directory, Frame recognizes the 
 new drawing and moves on to the next missing file and sticks, its as
if
 the Ignore and Skip functions just don't work.

OK, I see now. 

If multiple missing files are all in the same new location, say
../pending_graphics, then in the FM Missing Files dialog, you only need
to identify the new path once for the first missing file. FM will look
in that same location for the other missing ones, rather than bothering
you again. 

Of course, with your workflow, you'll have to point FM back to the
original location once the changed files are DCOed. A PITA, for sure... 

Personally, I think the workflow leaves a lot to be desired. If a
graphics directory is the repository for files imported into FM by
reference, then those files should never be removed, only replaced by
newer versions with the same name. 

A different alerting system can surely be devised. For instance, if
there is a file xyz_123.png in the ../graphics directory, the appearance
of a file with the same name in the ../pending_graphics directory should
be enough of an alert without the former being removed. If the engineers
can't/won't leave the former where it is pending DCO of the latter, then
perhaps you should use a different directory as the source for the
graphics. Copy all the files in ../graphics to your /docsource_graphics
directory. A script could do that. A script could also look at
../pending_graphics periodically to alert you to upcoming changes. 

Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
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Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

[Richard Melanson]

Hi Framers, 

I have Frame 8 with all the updates/patches running on a WinXp system
with 3gig RAM, 500gig HD, and a 2GHz Core 2 CPU. I have about 55
drawings imported by reference in a single Frame file. When one or more
of the imported by reference drawings changes, Frame gives the option to
update the path to the drawing or to skip the file or ignore all missing
files. When I try to select skip this file or ignore all missing files,
frame just redisplays the Missing File window. I have made sure Frame is
not looking for a different drawing, I cannot get Frame to skip or
ignore. Anyone ever had this problem, thank you all in advance for your
help. 

Rick

Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

[Richard Melanson]

Thank you for your quick response David. I cant get by the Missing File
window. I can click on ignore or skip 100 times and Frame just keeps
redisplaying the Missing File window. Frame will not allow me to skip or
ignore, I cannot get access to the Frame file unless I update to the new
drawing. 

Rick

-Original Message-
From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM
To: Richard Melanson; 'Combs, Richard'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

Rick,
The only way that I can see is that something in the path or filename of
the graphics must be different or you aren't saving the Frame file once
you have redirected the file to point to the proper graphic file
location.

When you open a Frame file, that can't locate a referenced graphic, and
you select to skip this file, the next time you open that particular
Frame file, it will again ask for the correct graphic file location,
even if you have saved the file.

Check the path and filename of the referenced graphic files. The
complete path and filename MUST remain identical.

-Original Message-
From: Richard Melanson [mailto:rmelan...@spirecorp.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:34 AM
To: David Spreadbury; Combs, Richard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

Hi Framers, 

I have Frame 8 with all the updates/patches running on a WinXp system
with 3gig RAM, 500gig HD, and a 2GHz Core 2 CPU. I have about 55
drawings imported by reference in a single Frame file. When one or more
of the imported by reference drawings changes, Frame gives the option to
update the path to the drawing or to skip the file or ignore all missing
files. When I try to select skip this file or ignore all missing files,
frame just redisplays the Missing File window. I have made sure Frame is
not looking for a different drawing, I cannot get Frame to skip or
ignore. Anyone ever had this problem, thank you all in advance for your
help. 

Rick

Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

[Richard Melanson]

 "In the Missing File dialog, you're selecting Ignore All Missing Files
and clicking Continue, and FM just keeps displaying the dialog? That's
decidedly odd... "

YES, exactly !  Or skip.

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:36 PM
To: Richard Melanson; David Spreadbury; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

Richard Melanson wrote:

> Thank you for your quick response David. I cant get by the Missing
File
> window. I can click on ignore or skip 100 times and Frame just keeps 
> redisplaying the Missing File window. Frame will not allow me to skip
or
> ignore, I cannot get access to the Frame file unless I update to the
new
> drawing.

In the Misssing File dialog, you're selecting Ignore All Missing Files
and clicking Continue, and FM just keeps displaying the dialog? That's
decidedly odd... 

OTOH, I have to wonder why the file path or name of your
imported-by-reference drawings keeps changing. What is it about your
workflow that causes this problem to keep coming up? Maybe you can fix
that part so this just doesn't happen anymore. 

Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--

Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

[Richard Melanson]

I was unemployed for a while a few years ago and through the generosity
of Omni Systems, I received a copy of MIF2Go. After the response below,
"wash as MIF" caught my attention I Googled it. This appears to be a
function of MIF2Go, I am probably stating what everyone already knows
:-)  Anyway, I do NOT have the "wash as MIF" option in the file menu of
Frame. How do I get it?
Rick



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:32 PM
To: dspreadb at yahoo.com; Richard Melanson; richard.combs at polycom.com;
framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?


Before resorting to what Dov Isaacs calls "reinstallsheimer's disease",
I'd try a quick "wash as MIF" operation on the offending file. It seems
much more likely to me that something has become corrupt in the one
document file that Rick is having problems with rather than FrameMaker
itself having become corrupted. 

-Fred Ridder



> From: dspreadb at yahoo.com
> To: rmelanson at spirecorp.com; richard.combs at Polycom.com;
framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:22:38 -0500
> 
> Rick,
> On your first email, I opened a graphic and made some edits. I did not
> change the graphic filename. Then open the corresponding Frame file
without
> any problems.
> 
> I renamed the graphic file and reopened the Frame book. When it ran
into the
> missing graphic, I selected Ignore and it just ignored that graphic
and
> opened the file. I closed the Frame file and tried it again and
selected
> Skip and got the same response.
> 
> This tends to tell me that something in Frame has gotten corrupted.
You
> might try reinstalling, at least the latest patch (p277) and then try
> opening the file. If this doesn't fix it, then I would re0install
Frame8 and
> then, of course, all updates.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Melanson [mailto:rmelanson at spirecorp.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:04 AM
> To: David Spreadbury; Combs, Richard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
> 
> Thank you for your quick response David. I cant get by the Missing
File
> window. I can click on ignore or skip 100 times and Frame just keeps
> redisplaying the Missing File window. Frame will not allow me to skip
or
> ignore, I cannot get access to the Frame file unless I update to the
new
> drawing. 
> 
> Rick
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspreadb at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM
> To: Richard Melanson; 'Combs, Richard'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
> 
> Rick,
> The only way that I can see is that something in the path or filename
of
> the graphics must be different or you aren't saving the Frame file
once
> you have redirected the file to point to the proper graphic file
> location.
> 
> When you open a Frame file, that can't locate a referenced graphic,
and
> you select to skip this file, the next time you open that particular
> Frame file, it will again ask for the correct graphic file location,
> even if you have saved the file.
> 
> Check the path and filename of the referenced graphic files. The
> complete path and filename MUST remain identical.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Melanson [mailto:rmelanson at spirecorp.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:34 AM
> To: David Spreadbury; Combs, Richard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
> 
> Hi Framers, 
> 
> I have Frame 8 with all the updates/patches running on a WinXp system
> with 3gig RAM, 500gig HD, and a 2GHz Core 2 CPU. I have about 55
> drawings imported by reference in a single Frame file. When one or
more
> of the imported by reference drawings changes, Frame gives the option
to
> update the path to the drawing or to skip the file or ignore all
missing
> files. When I try to select skip this file or ignore all missing
files,
> frame just redisplays the Missing File window. I have made sure Frame
is
> not looking for a different drawing, I cannot get Frame to skip or
> ignore. Anyone ever had this problem, thank you all in advance for
your
> help. 
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
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Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

[Richard Melanson]

I still have my copy of MIF2Go, I just don't know if there were any changes 
over the years, and the menu option is not there. But I will do the Save as Mif 
from Framemaker and see if that addresses the problem.
Rick 

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 3:27 PM
To: Kelly McDaniel
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Fei Min Lorente
Subject: Re: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

No, SaveAs MIF and the Omsys Wash As MIF menu entry do the same thing.
Only difference is that SaveAs takes a couple manual steps and the menu is a 
single click.

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a 
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Kelly McDaniel wrote:
> I always thought that Wash as MIF could also mean, Save an FM file as 
> a MIF file within FM, then open it in FM. It's a habit from the 
> previous century. Am I misinformed?...Kelly.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min 
> Lorente
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:56 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
>
> Hi Rick:
>
> As far as I know, you have to install Mif2Go to get the "Wash via MIF"
> option on the File menu. If you don't still have your copy, you could 
> download the trial version and see if that feature works for you.
>
> Fei Min
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
> Melanson
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:45 PM
> To: Fred Ridder; dspreadb at yahoo.com; richard.combs at polycom.com; 
> framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
>
> I was unemployed for a while a few years ago and through the 
> generosity of Omni Systems, I received a copy of MIF2Go. After the 
> response below, "wash as MIF" caught my attention I Googled it. This 
> appears to be a function of MIF2Go, I am probably stating what 
> everyone already knows
> :-) ?Anyway, I do NOT have the "wash as MIF" option in the file menu 
> of Frame. How do I get it?
> Rick
>
> ____
>
> From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:32 PM
> To: dspreadb at yahoo.com; Richard Melanson; richard.combs at polycom.com; 
> framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
>
>
> Before resorting to what Dov Isaacs calls "reinstallsheimer's 
> disease", I'd try a quick "wash as MIF" operation on the offending 
> file. It seems much more likely to me that something has become 
> corrupt in the one document file that Rick is having problems with 
> rather than FrameMaker itself having become corrupted.
>
> -Fred Ridder
>
>
>
>> From: dspreadb at yahoo.com
>> To: rmelanson at spirecorp.com; richard.combs at Polycom.com;
> framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
>> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:22:38 -0500
>>
>> Rick,
>> On your first email, I opened a graphic and made some edits. I did 
>> not change the graphic filename. Then open the corresponding Frame 
>> file
> without
>> any problems.
>>
>> I renamed the graphic file and reopened the Frame book. When it ran
> into the
>> missing graphic, I selected Ignore and it just ignored that graphic
> and
>> opened the file. I closed the Frame file and tried it again and
> selected
>> Skip and got the same response.
>>
>> This tends to tell me that something in Frame has gotten corrupted.
> You
>> might try reinstalling, at least the latest patch (p277) and then try 
>> opening the file. If this doesn't fix it, then I would re0install
> Frame8 and
>> then, of course, all updates.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Richard Melanson [mailto:rmelanson at spirecorp.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:04 AM
>> To: David Spreadbury; Combs, Richard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
>>
>> Thank you for your quick response David. I cant get by the Missing
> File
>> window. I can click on ignore or skip 100 times an

Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

[Richard Melanson]

 Boy do I feel stupid  :-)

I am trying to open a file to save it as a MIF file to "clean out any 
impurities" that I am unable to open because of the impurities. I cannot get by 
the Missing File box!   HELP  :-)

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Richard Melanson
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 3:34 PM
To: Art Campbell; Kelly McDaniel
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Fei Min Lorente
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

I still have my copy of MIF2Go, I just don't know if there were any changes 
over the years, and the menu option is not there. But I will do the Save as Mif 
from Framemaker and see if that addresses the problem.
Rick 

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 3:27 PM
To: Kelly McDaniel
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Fei Min Lorente
Subject: Re: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

No, SaveAs MIF and the Omsys Wash As MIF menu entry do the same thing.
Only difference is that SaveAs takes a couple manual steps and the menu is a 
single click.

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a 
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Kelly McDaniel wrote:
> I always thought that Wash as MIF could also mean, Save an FM file as 
> a MIF file within FM, then open it in FM. It's a habit from the 
> previous century. Am I misinformed?...Kelly.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min 
> Lorente
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:56 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
>
> Hi Rick:
>
> As far as I know, you have to install Mif2Go to get the "Wash via MIF"
> option on the File menu. If you don't still have your copy, you could 
> download the trial version and see if that feature works for you.
>
> Fei Min
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
> Melanson
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:45 PM
> To: Fred Ridder; dspreadb at yahoo.com; richard.combs at polycom.com; 
> framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
>
> I was unemployed for a while a few years ago and through the 
> generosity of Omni Systems, I received a copy of MIF2Go. After the 
> response below, "wash as MIF" caught my attention I Googled it. This 
> appears to be a function of MIF2Go, I am probably stating what 
> everyone already knows
> :-) ?Anyway, I do NOT have the "wash as MIF" option in the file menu 
> of Frame. How do I get it?
> Rick
>
> ____
>
> From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:32 PM
> To: dspreadb at yahoo.com; Richard Melanson; richard.combs at polycom.com; 
> framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
>
>
> Before resorting to what Dov Isaacs calls "reinstallsheimer's 
> disease", I'd try a quick "wash as MIF" operation on the offending 
> file. It seems much more likely to me that something has become 
> corrupt in the one document file that Rick is having problems with 
> rather than FrameMaker itself having become corrupted.
>
> -Fred Ridder
>
>
>
>> From: dspreadb at yahoo.com
>> To: rmelanson at spirecorp.com; richard.combs at Polycom.com;
> framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?
>> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:22:38 -0500
>>
>> Rick,
>> On your first email, I opened a graphic and made some edits. I did 
>> not change the graphic filename. Then open the corresponding Frame 
>> file
> without
>> any problems.
>>
>> I renamed the graphic file and reopened the Frame book. When it ran
> into the
>> missing graphic, I selected Ignore and it just ignored that graphic
> and
>> opened the file. I closed the Frame file and tried it again and
> selected
>> Skip and got the same response.
>>
>> This tends to tell me that something in Frame has gotten corrupted.
> You
>> might try reinstalling, at least the latest patch (p277) and then try 
>> opening the file. If this doesn

Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

[Richard Melanson]

My apologies Richard, you did state this in an earlier response. 

I use the import by reference function as a kind of alerting system. My
Engineering group has a bunch of directories filled with schematic and
mechanical drawings they convert to jpg or png or pdf. I then import by
reference from these directories into my Frame file to create a drawing
book. If Engineering is changing a drawing, it is taken out of its
original directory and placed into a pending directory waiting for the
DCO and the new drawing to become available. When Engineering moves the
file, this breaks the import by reference link thus alerting me that my
drawing book needs to be updated. 

Its at this point I run into my problem of not being able to get by the
Missing File window. I have also run into the scenario you state below
where multiple files have been moved for updating. I get an  updated
drawing placed back into its original directory, Frame recognizes the
new drawing and moves on to the next missing file and sticks, its as if
the Ignore and Skip functions just don't work. 

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 4:13 PM
To: Richard Melanson
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

Richard Melanson wrote:

>  Boy do I feel stupid  :-)
> 
> I am trying to open a file to save it as a MIF file to "clean out any 
> impurities" that I am unable to open because of the impurities. I
cannot
> get by the Missing File box!   HELP  :-)

Um, you can't open it because it can't find one or more graphics
imported by reference, right? 

Well, I hate to repeat myself, but: "I have to wonder why the file path
or name of your imported-by-reference drawings keeps changing. What is
it about your workflow that causes this problem to keep coming up? Maybe
you can fix that part so this just doesn't happen anymore." 

Or to deal specifically with the immediate problem: 

1) In the Missing File dialog, FM tells you the path and name of the
file that's missing. Make a note of it, and then cancel. 

2) Put a file of the correct name in the correct location -- preferably
the actual file that should be used, but any file of that type will do. 

3) Try opening the FM file again. If the Missing File dialog reports
another missing file, try the Ignore option, and if that doesn't work,
repeat step 2. 

4) Repeat step 3 until the FM file opens. 

Once it's open, you can try the MIF wash business, but I strongly
suggest you instead focus on finding out why you keep having these
missing file problems and fixing that. 

HTH!
Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--

Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

[Richard Melanson]

Thank you for your input Richard, unfortunately, I am completely
dependent on them and their system, when they are changing a file, it is
moved to a pending directory. I have no say in this matter. I am just
doing the best I can with what I have. Any idea why I still have the
problem?  Thank you. 
Rick 

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:01 PM
To: Richard Melanson
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Import by Reference Question/Bug ?

Richard Melanson wrote:

> I use the import by reference function as a kind of alerting system.
My
> Engineering group has a bunch of directories filled with schematic and

> mechanical drawings they convert to jpg or png or pdf. I then import
by
> reference from these directories into my Frame file to create a
drawing
> book. If Engineering is changing a drawing, it is taken out of its 
> original directory and placed into a pending directory waiting for the

> DCO and the new drawing to become available. When Engineering moves
the
> file, this breaks the import by reference link thus alerting me that
my
> drawing book needs to be updated.
> 
> Its at this point I run into my problem of not being able to get by
the
> Missing File window. I have also run into the scenario you state below

> where multiple files have been moved for updating. I get an  updated 
> drawing placed back into its original directory, Frame recognizes the 
> new drawing and moves on to the next missing file and sticks, its as
if
> the Ignore and Skip functions just don't work.

OK, I see now. 

If multiple missing files are all in the same new location, say
../pending_graphics, then in the FM Missing Files dialog, you only need
to identify the new path once for the first missing file. FM will look
in that same location for the other missing ones, rather than bothering
you again. 

Of course, with your workflow, you'll have to point FM back to the
original location once the changed files are DCOed. A PITA, for sure... 

Personally, I think the workflow leaves a lot to be desired. If a
graphics directory is the repository for files imported into FM by
reference, then those files should never be removed, only replaced by
newer versions with the same name. 

A different alerting system can surely be devised. For instance, if
there is a file xyz_123.png in the ../graphics directory, the appearance
of a file with the same name in the ../pending_graphics directory should
be enough of an alert without the former being removed. If the engineers
can't/won't leave the former where it is pending DCO of the latter, then
perhaps you should use a different directory as the source for the
graphics. Copy all the files in ../graphics to your /docsource_graphics
directory. A script could do that. A script could also look at
../pending_graphics periodically to alert you to upcoming changes. 

Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--

RE: FM9 and two monitors

[Richard Melanson]

I too have multiple monitors and use Frame and the monitors as Mike has
described below. Best thing since the invention of sliced bread ;-)
Rick
 

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:10 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM9 and two monitors

 Finally, does anyone with FM use two screens? I am unhappy with all 
 these boxes and pods in FM9 and would like them all on a second screen

I've got FM 9 running with three monitors. Multiple monitors are great!
I tend to keep a file manager and web browser up on the left and my main
work in the center. The righthand monitor is a high-end color correction
monitor. 
I usually only fire it up when I'm also working on graphics, but it also
comes in so handy for those times that I really need a lot of windows
open. 
With FM, you can put the various panels/pods on one (or more) of the
peripheral monitors, and keep your central screen free to display only
the document you are working on. You can even have multiple FM documents
open on multiple monitors.

Mike Wickham


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[Richard Melanson]

I too have multiple monitors and use Frame and the monitors as Mike has
described below. Best thing since the invention of sliced bread ;-)
Rick


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:10 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM9 and two monitors

> Finally, does anyone with FM use two screens? I am unhappy with all 
> these boxes and pods in FM9 and would like them all on a second screen

I've got FM 9 running with three monitors. Multiple monitors are great!
I tend to keep a file manager and web browser up on the left and my main
work in the center. The righthand monitor is a high-end color correction
monitor. 
I usually only fire it up when I'm also working on graphics, but it also
comes in so handy for those times that I really need a lot of windows
open. 
With FM, you can put the various panels/pods on one (or more) of the
peripheral monitors, and keep your central screen free to display only
the document you are working on. You can even have multiple FM documents
open on multiple monitors.

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RE: Customer Support in Adobe is non-existent

[Richard Melanson]

You make many very good points, thank you for the perspective Klaus.
Rick 

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Daube
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:48 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Customer Support in Adobe is non-existent

Friends of FremeMaker,

Before blaming the bad customer support of Adobe for some situation, please 
consider the following (my personal opinion/experience):

- Will You get manufacturer support for a 15 year old car? You may find a garage
  somewhere out there which still has some spare parts in their backyarad or 
have
  found out that some parts of the new cars also fit in the old ones. 
But You need
  to thind this yourself (with the help of Your friends).

- Once we have an FM-realease 9 available, and related software
(Acrobat) has also
  reached level 9 one can not assume that all combinations of old-new versions 
are
  working. There is no such thing as guaranteed backwards compatibility. Have 
You
  tried to run Word-6 macros in Word-2007? Even upwards compatibility is rare.

- FrameMaker is one of the most tolerant programs I know concerning age of 
documents.
  You can still open version 3 documents in FM-9 and always save at least 1 
level
  lower than the current version is. In FM-9 you even can save in MIF- 7. This 
is to
  serve the 'before Unicode' environments. Of course the development leaves 
certain
  functions behind (FM-9 does not support the virtual fonts needed until FM-7 
for
  non-western languages). At which date cars lost their hand crank or the 
windows
  hand lever? If a thunderstorm arrives you need to have the key for the car to 
close
  the windows!

- If it works, don't fix it. There are so many automatic processes out there 
using
  the good old FM-5.5 on Unix (e.g. Statistisches Amt des Kantons Luzern, 
Schweizerische
  Nationalbank) generating statistical brochures and books month after month. 
They will
  use this mechanism even after Adobe may have ceased to exist.

- Like any company also Adobe wants to make money with their work. In recent 
time
  Adobe has increased interaction with their customers significantly and fixing
  problems in FrameMaker really has a new pace. Do You get fixes for Windows 2K 
any
  more? Of course support always concentrates on the new products and 
deminishes for
  the old ones. Even companies have only a limited 'brain' to keep knowledge.

Klaus Daube 

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consultancy; On-line and paper
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Customer Support in Adobe is non-existent

[Richard Melanson]

You make many very good points, thank you for the perspective Klaus.
Rick 

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Daube
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:48 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Customer Support in Adobe is non-existent

Friends of FremeMaker,

Before blaming the bad customer support of Adobe for some situation, please 
consider the following (my personal opinion/experience):

- Will You get manufacturer support for a 15 year old car? You may find a garage
  somewhere out there which still has some spare parts in their backyarad or 
have
  found out that some parts of the new cars also fit in the old ones. 
But You need
  to thind this yourself (with the help of Your friends).

- Once we have an FM-realease 9 available, and related software
(Acrobat) has also
  reached level 9 one can not assume that all combinations of old-new versions 
are
  working. There is no such thing as guaranteed backwards compatibility. Have 
You
  tried to run Word-6 macros in Word-2007? Even upwards compatibility is rare.

- FrameMaker is one of the most tolerant programs I know concerning age of 
documents.
  You can still open version 3 documents in FM-9 and always save at least 1 
level
  lower than the current version is. In FM-9 you even can save in MIF- 7. This 
is to
  serve the 'before Unicode' environments. Of course the development leaves 
certain
  functions behind (FM-9 does not support the virtual fonts needed until FM-7 
for
  "non-western" languages). At which date cars lost their hand crank or the 
windows
  hand lever? If a thunderstorm arrives you need to have the key for the car to 
close
  the windows!

- If it works, don't fix it. There are so many automatic processes out there 
using
  the good old FM-5.5 on Unix (e.g. Statistisches Amt des Kantons Luzern, 
Schweizerische
  Nationalbank) generating statistical brochures and books month after month. 
They will
  use this mechanism even after Adobe may have ceased to exist.

- Like any company also Adobe wants to make money with their work. In recent 
time
  Adobe has increased interaction with their customers significantly and fixing
  problems in FrameMaker really has a new pace. Do You get fixes for Windows 2K 
any
  more? Of course support always concentrates on the new products and 
deminishes for
  the old ones. Even companies have only a limited 'brain' to keep knowledge.

Klaus Daube 

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RE: Procedure How to Write a Manual!

[Richard Melanson]

I also have enjoyed reading the thread I started and appreciate
everyone's input, it has helped me to keep a clear head regarding this
issue. 
Rick
PS: I am an Electrical Engineer who worked in Engineering, then in a
Product Support and Field Service position before becoming a Technical
Writer, so I guess I have been on both sides of this fence.  

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Andy Kass
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:25 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Procedure How to Write a Manual!

I've enjoyed reading all the input on this thread, and I had a few more
thoughts.

Unfortunately, the way Reid writes it below, it looks like anyone can
have the writer role. I would've written:

4. Technical Writer who knows enough to understand the SME, learns about
the audience and its lingo, distills all the essentials out of these to
make an easy to absorb document, and knows the tools and formats well
enough to do it all quickly.

In any job, I think people need their core skills but also an
understanding and certain competency in the skills of those around them.
To that extent, I'm sure engineers can and do write decent docs
sometimes, but they're probably more efficient at their engineering
tasks.

I'm pretty sure we all know this, but it is exactly this that is
important to communicate in the case of this pointy-haired boss. Nor
does the boss seem to understand how a good writer can save money and
improve customer satisfaction. To be a good writer, you also have to
understand where management is coming from...

BTW, I actually don't think it's productive for writers to use big words
for the sake of using big words. Writers must use whatever words speak
to their audience.

  Andy

ak...@jaspersoft.com

 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:51:39 -0400
 From: Reid Gray rg...@interactivesupercomputing.com
 Subject: RE: Procedure How to Write a Manual!
 
 I think the list agrees that not just anybody can write a good manual.

 And No, writers cannot be just anybody.
 They must be committed, they need to love language, and as Annie 
 Dillard says ...you really need to like words...
 words such as 'transmogrify'  
 
 Or, if you will extend the metaphor to IT, endianess.
 
 The best writing happens as a collective effort with the writer at the

 center. So, for example, take manuals. To write a good manual, one 
 needs:
 1. Subject matter experts for authoritative content 2. Enthusiastic 
 reviewers who know the audience and have  exposure to the subject 
 matter 3. Editors who know the language 4. The technical writer
 
 Trying as a single individual to serve in roles 1 through
 4 is possible, but the more 'eyes' you have scanning the pages the 
 better the expected outcome.  This is especially true if you are 
 writing complete books, manuals, and periodicals, from scratch.
 
 There is also an equally beneficial flip side to this postulate.
 If you find either transmogrify or endianess to be ugly, and if 
 you think anybody in particular can plant a garden, repair an 
 automobile, or write a technical manual, you might be management 
 material.
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Procedure How to Write a Manual!

[Richard Melanson]

I also have enjoyed reading the thread I started and appreciate
everyone's input, it has helped me to keep a "clear head" regarding this
issue. 
Rick
PS: I am an Electrical Engineer who worked in Engineering, then in a
Product Support and Field Service position before becoming a Technical
Writer, so I guess I have been on both sides of this fence.  

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Andy Kass
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:25 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Procedure How to Write a Manual!

I've enjoyed reading all the input on this thread, and I had a few more
thoughts.

Unfortunately, the way Reid writes it below, it looks like anyone can
have the writer role. I would've written:

4. Technical Writer who knows enough to understand the SME, learns about
the audience and its lingo, distills all the essentials out of these to
make an easy to absorb document, and knows the tools and formats well
enough to do it all quickly.

In any job, I think people need their core skills but also an
understanding and certain competency in the skills of those around them.
To that extent, I'm sure engineers can and do write decent docs
sometimes, but they're probably more efficient at their engineering
tasks.

I'm pretty sure we all know this, but it is exactly this that is
important to communicate in the case of this pointy-haired boss. Nor
does the boss seem to understand how a good writer can save money and
improve customer satisfaction. To be a good writer, you also have to
understand where management is coming from...

BTW, I actually don't think it's productive for writers to use big words
for the sake of using big words. Writers must use whatever words speak
to their audience.

  Andy

akass at jaspersoft.com

> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:51:39 -0400
> From: "Reid Gray" 
> Subject: RE: Procedure How to Write a Manual!
> 
> I think the list agrees that not just anybody can write a good manual.

> And "No," writers cannot be just "anybody."
> They must be committed, they need to love language, and as Annie 
> Dillard says "...you really need to like words...
> words such as 'transmogrify'"  
> 
> Or, if you will extend the metaphor to IT, "endianess."
> 
> The best writing happens as a collective effort with the writer at the

> center. So, for example, take manuals. To write a good manual, one 
> needs:
> 1. Subject matter experts for authoritative content 2. Enthusiastic 
> reviewers who know the audience and have  exposure to the subject 
> matter 3. Editors who know the language 4. The technical writer
> 
> Trying as a single individual to serve in roles 1 through
> 4 is possible, but the more 'eyes' you have scanning the pages the 
> better the expected outcome.  This is especially true if you are 
> writing complete books, manuals, and periodicals, from scratch.
> 
> There is also an equally beneficial flip side to this postulate.
> If you find either "transmogrify" or "endianess" to be ugly, and if 
> you think anybody in particular can plant a garden, repair an 
> automobile, or write a technical manual, you might be management 
> material.
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I agree !!  Great info.
Rick 

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Thank you all. You are the greatest!

--Nancy


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Esc-m-p to wrap anchored frame

[Richard Melanson]

I agree !!  Great info.
Rick 

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Thank you all. You are the greatest!

--Nancy


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Procedure How to Write a Manual!

[Richard Melanson]

 OUCH !  ;-) 

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Shelton
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 2:32 PM
To: Avraham Makeler; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Procedure How to Write a Manual!

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sharon 
> Burton
> 
> This is easy. 14 steps: 
> 
> 1. Identify the audience
> 2. Identify the information needs of that audience (job aids, user 
> guides, and so on) 3. Identify the tasks the audience needs to do 4. 
> Identify the supporting info the audience needs to do those tasks 5. 
> Identify the best way to deliver the information (PDF, help, others) 
> 6. Create a plan that layout all this information 7. Assign time 
> estimates to the plan 8. Decide what can be cut due to time 
> limitations 9.
> Start creating the information, adapting to the changing product 10. 
> Review by others 11. Make the review changes 12.
> Build "gold" candidates 13. Deliver the finals 14. Archive the finals,

> including all planning information
> 
> Of course, these steps include a lot of embedded steps and domain 
> knowledge in our field. But these are the steps.

I think you skipped something important:

1. Hire a tech writer.

Bob
"Let what comes, come,
Let what goes, go,
Find out what remains."
Sri Ramana Maharshi


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Procedure How to Write a Manual!

[Richard Melanson]

First, thank you Everyone, you guys always have the answers to
questions, even when I don't post questions :-) 

I just want to share this with the list and absorb the response. My boss
today told me to write a procedure on how to write a manual and he
also stated to me that anyone could be a writer, he did not understand
what all the fuss was about tech writing, anyone could do it. Needless
to say, I am still sitting at my desk trying to sort through the myriad
of reactions I am having! I cant wait to hear everyone's thoughts. 

Rick

PS: Does anyone have a procedure how to write a manual ;-)
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Procedure How to Write a Manual!

[Richard Melanson]

First, thank you Everyone, you guys always have the answers to
questions, even when I don't post questions :-) 

I just want to share this with the list and absorb the response. My boss
today told me to "write a procedure on how to write a manual" and he
also stated to me that anyone could be a writer, he did not understand
what all the fuss was about tech writing, anyone could do it. Needless
to say, I am still sitting at my desk trying to sort through the myriad
of reactions I am having! I cant wait to hear everyone's thoughts. 

Rick

PS: Does anyone have a procedure how to write a manual ;-)

RE: Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

[Richard Melanson]

 If the client is merely trying to save money by using a free tool,
we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go.  Nobody should have to go through
that process to keep a job...

This is what makes America great! Bravo!

Rick

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McDaniel
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 5:54 AM
To: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

If the client is merely trying to save money by using a free tool,
we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go.  Nobody should have to go through
that process to keep a job...

(Standing ovation)...Kelly.


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Jeremy H.
Griffith
Sent: Thu 4/16/2009 6:46 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)
 
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:13:06 -0400, Jim Owens jow...@magma.ca wrote:

Nancy mentioned that her client insists on Webworks 7, so all other 
options are moot.

Without knowing anything about the situation, I'd still venture that 
it's not in her client's interest to use something that's been 
discontinued. Can they be talked into a more sensible decision?

I just checked in the FM7 book Sarah O'Keefe wrote, and it appears
Webworks *Standard*, the one Nancy was required
to use, does not even support HTML Help at all.  You'd have to use the
regular HTML output, then create the index, toc, project file, alias and
map files by hand, or at best do it with HTML Help Workshop, which is
almost as bad.

If the client is merely trying to save money by using a free tool,
we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go.  Nobody should have to go through
that process to keep a job...

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  jer...@omsys.com  http://www.omsys.com/
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Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

[Richard Melanson]

 "If the client is merely trying to save money by using a "free" tool,
we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go.  Nobody should have to go through
that process to keep a job..."

This is what makes America great! Bravo!

Rick

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McDaniel
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 5:54 AM
To: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

"If the client is merely trying to save money by using a "free" tool,
we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go.  Nobody should have to go through
that process to keep a job..."

(Standing ovation)...Kelly.


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Jeremy H.
Griffith
Sent: Thu 4/16/2009 6:46 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:13:06 -0400, Jim Owens  wrote:

>Nancy mentioned that her client insists on Webworks 7, so all other 
>options are moot.
>
>Without knowing anything about the situation, I'd still venture that 
>it's not in her client's interest to use something that's been 
>discontinued. Can they be talked into a more sensible decision?

I just checked in the FM7 book Sarah O'Keefe wrote, and it appears
Webworks *Standard*, the one Nancy was "required"
to use, does not even support HTML Help at all.  You'd have to use the
regular HTML output, then create the index, toc, project file, alias and
map files by hand, or at best do it with HTML Help Workshop, which is
almost as bad.

If the client is merely trying to save money by using a "free" tool,
we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go.  Nobody should have to go through
that process to keep a job...

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/
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RE: Technical Writing Certificate

[Richard Melanson]

I would like to politely disagree. I have a Certificate from
Northeastern U. in Boston and it has served me very well. I am fortunate
enough to have a strong technical background so maybe that is why the
Certificate has been more than enough for me when job hunting. I have
included some links below, I hope you find these useful. 
Rick

http://www.cps.neu.edu/bs_techcomm/

http://www.cps.neu.edu/techcom/

http://www.cps.neu.edu/areas-of-study/technical-communications

http://www.cps.neu.edu/areas-of-study/communications
 

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Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 2:13 PM
To: seawi...@aol.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Technical Writing Certificate


Sheesh! I feel so parochial. Thanks for the good info.

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Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Technical Writing Certificate

None of the technical writing certificates that I know about are worth
the investment. To evaluate a certificate, investigate how widely it is
used by those in the field, and by those hiring in the field.

IMHO, the better approach is a technical writing degree, even an
associate's degree has more value than a testing certificate. The
problem with a tech writing degree is finding an accredited educational
institution with a well-developed curriculum. I have been associated
with the tech trade over 30 years and I cannot think of any...Kelly.

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Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 11:41 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Technical Writing Certificate

Hello Framers:

Would someone please recommend a couple of online certificate programs
that I can take to become a technical writer?

What is the best online writing course available?? 

Thanks from a Newbie!
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Technical Writing Certificate

[Richard Melanson]

I would like to politely disagree. I have a Certificate from
Northeastern U. in Boston and it has served me very well. I am fortunate
enough to have a strong technical background so maybe that is why the
Certificate has been more than enough for me when job hunting. I have
included some links below, I hope you find these useful. 
Rick

http://www.cps.neu.edu/bs_techcomm/

http://www.cps.neu.edu/techcom/

http://www.cps.neu.edu/areas-of-study/technical-communications

http://www.cps.neu.edu/areas-of-study/communications


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Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 2:13 PM
To: seawin22 at aol.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Technical Writing Certificate


Sheesh! I feel so parochial. Thanks for the good info.

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McDaniel
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:16 PM
To: seawin22 at aol.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Technical Writing Certificate

None of the technical writing certificates that I know about are worth
the investment. To evaluate a certificate, investigate how widely it is
used by those in the field, and by those hiring in the field.

IMHO, the better approach is a technical writing degree, even an
associate's degree has more value than a testing certificate. The
problem with a tech writing degree is finding an accredited educational
institution with a well-developed curriculum. I have been associated
with the tech trade over 30 years and I cannot think of any...Kelly.

-Original Message-
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seawin22 at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 11:41 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Technical Writing Certificate

Hello Framers:

Would someone please recommend a couple of online certificate programs
that I can take to become a technical writer?

What is the best online writing course available?? 

Thanks from a Newbie!
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RE: FrameMaker 9

[Richard Melanson]

Great info Jim, thank you. I am looking at 9 and your post has helped me
out. 
Rick

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Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:43 PM
To: Art Campbell; Pat Christenson
Cc: FrameUsers List
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9

Hmm...might I detect a note of teasing here? Or perhaps it's mild
aggravation at an imprecise question. Either way, yes, it's a vague
question, so I'll defer an exhaustive answer for the moment.

I've been using FM 9, as part of TCS 2, for about two weeks. I've run
into a few ultimately minor bugs and annoyances; good, prompt help from
Adobe; plug-ins carrying over quite well; good FM integration with the
rest of the suite; and an interface that I find more efficient and
productive than FM 7p1. We haven't made any corporate decisions yet, but
at this point, I like the new version a lot and don't want to go back. 

If you're looking for a general, bottom-line assessment, that's it for
me. If you have specific questions, spell them out and those of us on
the list will try to help.

Jim

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To: Pat Christenson
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Subject: Re: FrameMaker 9

Yes.
You're welcome.

Cheers,
Art


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FrameMaker 9

[Richard Melanson]

Great info Jim, thank you. I am looking at 9 and your post has helped me
out. 
Rick

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:43 PM
To: Art Campbell; Pat Christenson
Cc: FrameUsers List
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9

Hmm...might I detect a note of teasing here? Or perhaps it's mild
aggravation at an imprecise question. Either way, yes, it's a vague
question, so I'll defer an exhaustive answer for the moment.

I've been using FM 9, as part of TCS 2, for about two weeks. I've run
into a few ultimately minor bugs and annoyances; good, prompt help from
Adobe; plug-ins carrying over quite well; good FM integration with the
rest of the suite; and an interface that I find more efficient and
productive than FM 7p1. We haven't made any corporate decisions yet, but
at this point, I like the new version a lot and don't want to go back. 

If you're looking for a general, bottom-line assessment, that's it for
me. If you have specific questions, spell them out and those of us on
the list will try to help.

Jim

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Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:34 PM
To: Pat Christenson
Cc: FrameUsers List
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 9

Yes.
You're welcome.

Cheers,
Art


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Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Richard Melanson]

I posted this yesterday and was just wondering if anyone received it,
thank you. 

Hello Framers,
 
I have spent the last couples of hours trying to find an answer to this
question. I am importing by reference TIFFs into a Framemaker 8 file.
The TIFFs are a single file with multiple pages, but Frame is only
importing the first page. What am I missing here, I sure hope this is
not embarrassingly easy answer. Thank you for any help you can give me.
 
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RE: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Richard Melanson]

Thank you all very much for responding to my question. 

One important fact I may have left out, I am importing the TIFF by
reference and I do NOT have any control over the Master I am importing.
I cannot convert it, dissect it, etc  :-)  My hands are tied, I have to
use the tiff as it exists on my network. 

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Alan Litchfield [mailto:a...@alphabyte.co.nz] 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 4:04 PM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: Richard Melanson; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

Multi-page tiffs are pretty common really.

I remember replying to this, so I am not certain why it has come up
again. But anyway I suggested opening the tiff in an application that
supports multi-page tiffs (probably *not* Photoshop) and print the file
to PDF (press-quality settings if you want to print it). This produces a
multi-page PDf which can be easily imported into FM.

Alan

Art Campbell wrote:
 Richard,
 I think you may have uncovered a rare bug. I hadn't ever seen a 
 multi-page TIF before... and I bet the coders hadn't either. I'd 
 expect Frame to treat it as a multi-page PDF and prompt you to select
which page to display.

 May be worth opening a bug on it.

 The only work-around I can suggest is to either cut the TIF into 
 single pages with something like Photoshop or create a PDF from it, so

 you can select which page to display.

 Art

 Art Campbell
  art.campb...@gmail.com
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 and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers
apply.
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 On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Richard Melanson
 rmelan...@spirecorp.comwrote:

 I posted this yesterday and was just wondering if anyone received it,

 thank you.

 Hello Framers,

 I have spent the last couples of hours trying to find an answer to 
 this question. I am importing by reference TIFFs into a Framemaker 8
file.
 The TIFFs are a single file with multiple pages, but Frame is only 
 importing the first page. What am I missing here, I sure hope this is

 not embarrassingly easy answer. Thank you for any help you can give
me.

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RE: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Richard Melanson]

An update or maybe a summation :-)
The TIFF files I have been referring to are controlled by our
Engineering Department. I reach out to a network drive and import by
reference the TIFFs Engineering makes available. I cannot do anything to
the TIFFs but import them! So unless I can find a way for Framemaker to
see all the pages in the TIFF files, I am dead in the water. 

Thank you all for the great suggestions, lets hope someone can pull the
rabbit out of the TIFF, aahhh, I mean hat!!  :-)
Rick

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 5:53 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

Some of our older scanned documents are multi-page TIFFs. I keep a copy
of Paperport Deluxe (version 7.0, that came with a long gone scanner) on
my computer solely because it can split these files into individual
graphics.

Clint


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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Litchfield
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:04 PM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Richard Melanson
Subject: Re: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

Multi-page tiffs are pretty common really.

I remember replying to this, so I am not certain why it has come up
again. But anyway I suggested opening the tiff in an application that
supports multi-page tiffs (probably *not* Photoshop) and print the file
to PDF (press-quality settings if you want to print it). This produces a
multi-page PDf which can be easily imported into FM.

Alan

Art Campbell wrote:
 Richard,
 I think you may have uncovered a rare bug. I hadn't ever seen a 
 multi-page TIF before... and I bet the coders hadn't either. I'd 
 expect Frame to treat it as a multi-page PDF and prompt you to select
which page to display.

 May be worth opening a bug on it.

 The only work-around I can suggest is to either cut the TIF into 
 single pages with something like Photoshop or create a PDF from it, so

 you can select which page to display.

 Art

 Art Campbell
  art.campb...@gmail.com
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 and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers
apply.
   DoD 358


 On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Richard Melanson
 rmelan...@spirecorp.comwrote:

 I posted this yesterday and was just wondering if anyone received it,

 thank you.

 Hello Framers,

 I have spent the last couples of hours trying to find an answer to 
 this question. I am importing by reference TIFFs into a Framemaker 8
file.
 The TIFFs are a single file with multiple pages, but Frame is only 
 importing the first page. What am I missing here, I sure hope this is

 not embarrassingly easy answer. Thank you for any help you can give
me.

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Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Richard Melanson]

Thank you all very much for responding to my question. 

One important fact I may have left out, I am importing the TIFF by
reference and I do NOT have any control over the Master I am importing.
I cannot convert it, dissect it, etc  :-)  My hands are tied, I have to
use the tiff as it exists on my network. 

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Alan Litchfield [mailto:a...@alphabyte.co.nz] 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 4:04 PM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: Richard Melanson; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

Multi-page tiffs are pretty common really.

I remember replying to this, so I am not certain why it has come up
again. But anyway I suggested opening the tiff in an application that
supports multi-page tiffs (probably *not* Photoshop) and print the file
to PDF (press-quality settings if you want to print it). This produces a
multi-page PDf which can be easily imported into FM.

Alan

Art Campbell wrote:
> Richard,
> I think you may have uncovered a rare bug. I hadn't ever seen a 
> multi-page TIF before... and I bet the coders hadn't either. I'd 
> expect Frame to treat it as a multi-page PDF and prompt you to select
which page to display.
>
> May be worth opening a bug on it.
>
> The only work-around I can suggest is to either cut the TIF into 
> single pages with something like Photoshop or create a PDF from it, so

> you can select which page to display.
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
>  art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent

> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers
apply.
>       DoD 358
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Richard Melanson
> wrote:
>
>> I posted this yesterday and was just wondering if anyone received it,

>> thank you.
>>
>> Hello Framers,
>>
>> I have spent the last couples of hours trying to find an answer to 
>> this question. I am importing by reference TIFFs into a Framemaker 8
file.
>> The TIFFs are a single file with multiple pages, but Frame is only 
>> importing the first page. What am I missing here, I sure hope this is

>> not embarrassingly easy answer. Thank you for any help you can give
me.
>>
>> Rick
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Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Richard Melanson]

An update or maybe a summation :-)
The TIFF files I have been referring to are controlled by our
Engineering Department. I reach out to a network drive and import by
reference the TIFFs Engineering makes available. I cannot do anything to
the TIFFs but import them! So unless I can find a way for Framemaker to
see all the pages in the TIFF files, I am dead in the water. 

Thank you all for the great suggestions, lets hope someone can pull the
rabbit out of the TIFF, aahhh, I mean hat!!  :-)
Rick

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 5:53 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

Some of our older scanned documents are multi-page TIFFs. I keep a copy
of Paperport Deluxe (version 7.0, that came with a long gone scanner) on
my computer solely because it can split these files into individual
graphics.

Clint


Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics |
Telephone: +1 425-743-8674 | Fax: +1 425-743-8113


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Litchfield
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:04 PM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Richard Melanson
Subject: Re: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

Multi-page tiffs are pretty common really.

I remember replying to this, so I am not certain why it has come up
again. But anyway I suggested opening the tiff in an application that
supports multi-page tiffs (probably *not* Photoshop) and print the file
to PDF (press-quality settings if you want to print it). This produces a
multi-page PDf which can be easily imported into FM.

Alan

Art Campbell wrote:
> Richard,
> I think you may have uncovered a rare bug. I hadn't ever seen a 
> multi-page TIF before... and I bet the coders hadn't either. I'd 
> expect Frame to treat it as a multi-page PDF and prompt you to select
which page to display.
>
> May be worth opening a bug on it.
>
> The only work-around I can suggest is to either cut the TIF into 
> single pages with something like Photoshop or create a PDF from it, so

> you can select which page to display.
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
>  art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent

> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers
apply.
>       DoD 358
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Richard Melanson
> wrote:
>
>> I posted this yesterday and was just wondering if anyone received it,

>> thank you.
>>
>> Hello Framers,
>>
>> I have spent the last couples of hours trying to find an answer to 
>> this question. I am importing by reference TIFFs into a Framemaker 8
file.
>> The TIFFs are a single file with multiple pages, but Frame is only 
>> importing the first page. What am I missing here, I sure hope this is

>> not embarrassingly easy answer. Thank you for any help you can give
me.
>>
>> Rick
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Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Richard Melanson]

I posted this yesterday and was just wondering if anyone received it,
thank you. 

Hello Framers,

I have spent the last couples of hours trying to find an answer to this
question. I am importing by reference TIFFs into a Framemaker 8 file.
The TIFFs are a single file with multiple pages, but Frame is only
importing the first page. What am I missing here, I sure hope this is
not embarrassingly easy answer. Thank you for any help you can give me.

Rick