FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF
Colleagues, A client is seeing the following problem: - FrameMaker 12, fully patched, Windows 7, full Acrobat. - Document uses Helvetica font. Font pane shows all document fonts are available and in use (i.e., FrameMaker is not substituting any fonts). - FileSave as PDF -- FrameMaker document reflows on-screen, with Helvetica replaced by Times New Roman. Generated PDF uses Times New Roman instead of Helvetica. (FrameMaker screen display refreshes and reverts back to Helvetica). I'm baffled. I have yet to investigate: - Missing legal to embed flag in client's Helvetica font? - Corrupted Acrobat Distiller settings? I would be grateful for any other ideas. -Alan -- Alan Houser Group Wellesley, Inc. Consultant and Trainer, Technical Publishing arh on Twitter 412-450-0532 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF
Sounds like you need get a license for Helvetica that allows you to embed it in PDFs. Perhaps the font was purchased so long ago that it didn't have that option. Craig Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 11:13:19 -0400 From: a...@groupwellesley.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF Colleagues, A client is seeing the following problem: - FrameMaker 12, fully patched, Windows 7, full Acrobat. - Document uses Helvetica font. Font pane shows all document fonts are available and in use (i.e., FrameMaker is not substituting any fonts). - FileSave as PDF -- FrameMaker document reflows on-screen, with Helvetica replaced by Times New Roman. Generated PDF uses Times New Roman instead of Helvetica. (FrameMaker screen display refreshes and reverts back to Helvetica). I'm baffled. I have yet to investigate: - Missing legal to embed flag in client's Helvetica font? - Corrupted Acrobat Distiller settings? I would be grateful for any other ideas. -Alan -- Alan Houser Group Wellesley, Inc. Consultant and Trainer, Technical Publishing arh on Twitter 412-450-0532 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as craig...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF
On 2014-Oct-24 11:13 AM, Alan Houser wrote: Colleagues, A client is seeing the following problem: - FrameMaker 12, fully patched, Windows 7, full Acrobat. - Document uses Helvetica font. Font pane shows all document fonts are available and in use (i.e., FrameMaker is not substituting any fonts). - FileSave as PDF -- FrameMaker document reflows on-screen, with Helvetica replaced by Times New Roman. Generated PDF uses Times New Roman instead of Helvetica. (FrameMaker screen display refreshes and reverts back to Helvetica). I'm baffled. I have yet to investigate: - Missing legal to embed flag in client's Helvetica font? - Corrupted Acrobat Distiller settings? I would be grateful for any other ideas. -Alan In your distiller job options, make sure to select If Embedding Fails, Cancel Job. Then at least you will know if that's the problem. (And it should be your default setting anyway, to ensure an embed failure doesn't get past you.) Are you sure the client actually has Helvetica on their system, and that Adobe PDF is their default printer (at least when using FM -- see Sundorne Setprint plugin)? It's possible their hardware printer is reporting the presence of Helvetica to the operating system, so that it appears to be present, but a printer-resident font can't be embedded in PDF. HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF
Yeah, check the font folder and see that Helvetica is actually installed, and installed properly. Windows hides information, list the files at the command line or use a third-party file browser. I had a problem a couple of years ago where one of the two files (.pfb and .pfm) required for an old PostScript font was missing. - Document uses Helvetica font. Font pane shows all document fonts are available and in use (i.e., FrameMaker is not substituting any fonts). On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Stuart Rogers srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote: Are you sure the client actually has Helvetica on their system, and that Adobe PDF is their default printer (at least when using FM -- see Sundorne Setprint plugin)? It's possible their hardware printer is reporting the presence of Helvetica to the operating system, so that it appears to be present, but a printer-resident font can't be embedded in PDF. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF
Adding to Stuart's answer, if this is a situation where Windows is reading a printer-resident version of Helvetica from a Postscript printer-- rather than using a font that is actually installed on the computer--, the situation is usually easily fixable. The printer installation disk should contain a folder that holds all the printer-resident fonts. You canmanually install any that you want on the computer and they will then be embeddable in a PDF. There is a warning related to Helvetica, though. There is a Windows or Internet Explorer bug (I forget which), which causes Web pages to display blank if they contain Helvetica as the first listed font in CSS and the Postscript version of Helvetica is installed on the computer. So if you start seeing blank Web pages in your browser, try uninstalling Helvetica from your computer-- or replace it with the OpenType version. Mike Wickham Are you sure the client actually has Helvetica on their system, and that Adobe PDF is their default printer (at least when using FM -- see Sundorne Setprint plugin)? It's possible their hardware printer is reporting the presence of Helvetica to the operating system, so that it appears to be present, but a printer-resident font can't be embedded in PDF. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF
When mysterious problems with fonts occur, it can also be considered to delete the Windows Font Cache file, so that all font informations are (correctly) rebuilt with the next system start. == http://www.ehow.com/how_7197467_rebuild-font-cache.html It is very strange that the FM display is changing, even if the main font has no embedding option. I have never seen this before. But in fact, some very old postscript fonts that worked well in Win XP might fail in Win 7. Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin Alan Houser: Colleagues, A client is seeing the following problem: - FrameMaker 12, fully patched, Windows 7, full Acrobat. - Document uses Helvetica font. Font pane shows all document fonts are available and in use (i.e., FrameMaker is not substituting any fonts). - FileSave as PDF -- FrameMaker document reflows on-screen, with Helvetica replaced by Times New Roman. Generated PDF uses Times New Roman instead of Helvetica. (FrameMaker screen display refreshes and reverts back to Helvetica). I'm baffled. I have yet to investigate: - Missing legal to embed flag in client's Helvetica font? - Corrupted Acrobat Distiller settings? I would be grateful for any other ideas. -Alan -- Alan Houser Group Wellesley, Inc. Consultant and Trainer, Technical Publishing arh on Twitter 412-450-0532 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF
I'm glad someone else had a clearer recollection than I did of the PostScript Helvetica problem. I remember having to follow our corporate help desk's recommendation to uninstall the PostScript version of Helvetica to fix some issue that I don't remember the details of, but that I seem to recall was related to PDF generation. I do believe that it was a Windows 7 issue (I think it was the result of a system patch) because I almost never use Internet Explorer -- like most of our engineers and developers, I use Firefox. It's easy to test this fix. Just move all files named HV*.pfm or HV*.pfb (there are normally four of each) to a different folder and restart your computer. If this doesn't fix the problem, just move the files back to their original location. -Fred Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 11:13:47 -0500 From: i...@mikewickham.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF Adding to Stuart's answer, if this is a situation where Windows is reading a printer-resident version of Helvetica from a Postscript printer-- rather than using a font that is actually installed on the computer--, the situation is usually easily fixable. The printer installation disk should contain a folder that holds all the printer-resident fonts. You canmanually install any that you want on the computer and they will then be embeddable in a PDF. There is a warning related to Helvetica, though. There is a Windows or Internet Explorer bug (I forget which), which causes Web pages to display blank if they contain Helvetica as the first listed font in CSS and the Postscript version of Helvetica is installed on the computer. So if you start seeing blank Web pages in your browser, try uninstalling Helvetica from your computer-- or replace it with the OpenType version. Mike Wickham Are you sure the client actually has Helvetica on their system, and that Adobe PDF is their default printer (at least when using FM -- see Sundorne Setprint plugin)? It's possible their hardware printer is reporting the presence of Helvetica to the operating system, so that it appears to be present, but a printer-resident font can't be embedded in PDF. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF
Mike Wickham said: ... Helvetica from your computer-- or replace it with the OpenType version. I am curious as to how to get hold of [newer] OTF versions of Helvetica (and some other old Adobe fonts that I use - like Caslon Expert) without having to pay an arm and a leg for it. As I recall, these fonts (with all variants) are darn expensive. My current Helvetica font files are ancient Type 1 ones - I received the standard 35 PostScript Adobe fonts as part of two Adobe PostScript Cartridge purchases I made for my equally ancient and long-dead HP LaserJet II laser printer and other font purchases way back when. For example, The date on these Helvetica files are from around 1990 and 1994, etc. So, they don't have all glyphs for today's needs for some people. Luckily, this has not hurt me too much, primarily because I have not had a need for Unicode (yet) and have a substitution in another font for the Euro glyph, but ... I don't know if Helvetica has changed since that time, but I assume - perhaps incorrectly - that new glyphs have been added and/or any imperfections have been fixed, etc. (?) Because I do see newer releases of some Adobe other fonts included in their software ... with different files sizes, internal font versions, etc. Some recent Acrobat Pro versions in particular. Anyway, some time back, I commented/asked here about Adobe providing font upgrades (with reasonable prices), and somebody from Adobe mentioned that they don't do that. Unfortunate! :( I think that it is good for Adobe to (a) consider doing font upgrades for people who have these fonts - particular the ancient Type 1 files and/or (b) for the FrameMaker or Acrobat team to consider adding in the traditional 35 fonts (in updated OTF form, of course!) from the Apple LaserWriter days, as part of a standard font set for FrameMaker/Acrobat. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF
I said: ? As I recall, these fonts (with all variants) are darn expensive. For example, the current price of the Adobe Helvetic Neue Std Full Family is $961 in a package! ... eek! http://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?event=displayFontPackagecode=1766 Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF
Helvetica Standard Full Family is $360 for five computers. Single fonts are $29. adobe.com has PDFs showing which glyphs each font includes. http://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?store=OLS-USevent=displayFontPackagecode=1767 On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Mike Wickham said: … Helvetica from your computer-- or replace it with the OpenType version. I am curious as to how to get hold of [newer] OTF versions of Helvetica (and some other old Adobe fonts that I use – like Caslon Expert) without having to pay an arm and a leg for it. As I recall, these fonts (with all variants) are darn expensive. My current Helvetica font files are ancient Type 1 ones – I received the standard “35 PostScript” Adobe fonts as part of two Adobe PostScript Cartridge purchases I made for my equally ancient and long-dead HP LaserJet II laser printer and other font purchases way back when. For example, The date on these Helvetica files are from around 1990 and 1994, etc. So, they don’t have all glyphs for today’s needs for some people. Luckily, this has not hurt me too much, primarily because I have not had a need for Unicode (yet) and have a substitution in another font for the Euro glyph, but … I don’t know if Helvetica has changed since that time, but I assume – perhaps incorrectly – that new glyphs have been added and/or any imperfections have been fixed, etc. (?) Because I do see newer releases of some Adobe other fonts included in their software … with different files sizes, internal font versions, etc. Some recent Acrobat Pro versions in particular. Anyway, some time back, I commented/asked here about Adobe providing font upgrades (with reasonable prices), and somebody from Adobe mentioned that they don’t do that. Unfortunate! L I think that it is good for Adobe to (a) consider doing font upgrades for people who have these fonts – particular the ancient Type 1 files and/or (b) for the FrameMaker or Acrobat team to consider adding in the “traditional” 35 fonts (in updated OTF form, of course!) from the Apple LaserWriter days, as part of a standard font set for FrameMaker/Acrobat. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rob...@lauriston.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/robert%40lauriston.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF
Robert Lauriston wrote: Helvetica Standard Full Family is $360 for five computers. Single fonts are $29. adobe.com has PDFs showing which glyphs each font includes. http://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?store=OLS-USevent=displayFontPackagecode=1767 Yeah. I saw that ... as well as the Adobe Helvetica Neue package at over $900 in the link I sent in my other post. And, Helvetica is even more expensive at the Linotype web site. Depending on whether you want PS or TT internals, the prices go from $9 to $35 per font ... adding up in a hurry! That is just too expensive for just one font (well ... one font family is more accurate) for my desire to update the font. That is why I asked about not having to pay an arm and a leg. :) Z On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Mike Wickham said: … Helvetica from your computer-- or replace it with the OpenType version. I am curious as to how to get hold of [newer] OTF versions of Helvetica (and some other old Adobe fonts that I use – like Caslon Expert) without having to pay an arm and a leg for it. As I recall, these fonts (with all variants) are darn expensive. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF
If you don't want to pay for Helvetica and can't stand Arial, there are some other free alternatives that come closer. http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/602/visually-similar-alternatives-to-helvetica On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Robert Lauriston wrote: Helvetica Standard Full Family is $360 for five computers. Single fonts are $29. adobe.com has PDFs showing which glyphs each font includes. http://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?store=OLS-USevent=displayFontPackagecode=1767 Yeah. I saw that ... as well as the Adobe Helvetica Neue package at over $900 in the link I sent in my other post. And, Helvetica is even more expensive at the Linotype web site. Depending on whether you want PS or TT internals, the prices go from $9 to $35 per font ... adding up in a hurry! That is just too expensive for just one font (well ... one font family is more accurate) for my desire to update the font. That is why I asked about not having to pay an arm and a leg. :) Z On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Mike Wickham said: … Helvetica from your computer-- or replace it with the OpenType version. I am curious as to how to get hold of [newer] OTF versions of Helvetica (and some other old Adobe fonts that I use – like Caslon Expert) without having to pay an arm and a leg for it. As I recall, these fonts (with all variants) are darn expensive. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF
Thanks! I will take a look at those ... Z Robert Lauriston wrote: If you don't want to pay for Helvetica and can't stand Arial, there are some other free alternatives that come closer. http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/602/visually-similar-alternatives-to-helvetica ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF
Adobe offers the Helvetica Std OpenType package (roman, oblique, bold, and bold oblique) for 5 users for $99.00, which might be a hand and a foot, but hardly an arm and a leg. See http://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?store=OLS-USevent=displayFontPackagecode=1424 Of course, if you want the compressed, condensed, light, and black variants, it starts adding up at $29 each, and the Full Family package Robert mentioned starts looking better at its $360 price rather than $522 for 18 individual fonts. If you can live without the semibold weight of Caslon, you might want to look at the Type Basics OpenType package, which includes the four basic variants of the Caslon face, along with 61 other fonts for $99.00 (5 user license). See http://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?store=OLS-USevent=displayFontPackagecode=1902 . The Caslon Pro package with all six variants of the face is $135.00 without the 61 other fonts, which are actually pretty intelligently chosen. But it seems to me that one advantage of the Adobe type store is that you can buy and download just the variants that you actually need to use, since the discount for most of the family bundles ranges between 14% for small bundles to 31% for the Helvetica Full Family bundle. And then there are the loss-leader bundles like the Type Basics package, which would cost over $2000 at the full individual prices. -Fred Ridder From: syed.hos...@aeris.net To: rob...@lauriston.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:34:11 -0700 Subject: RE: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF Robert Lauriston wrote: Helvetica Standard Full Family is $360 for five computers. Single fonts are $29. adobe.com has PDFs showing which glyphs each font includes. http://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?store=OLS-USevent=displayFontPackagecode=1767 Yeah. I saw that ... as well as the Adobe Helvetica Neue package at over $900 in the link I sent in my other post. And, Helvetica is even more expensive at the Linotype web site. Depending on whether you want PS or TT internals, the prices go from $9 to $35 per font ... adding up in a hurry! That is just too expensive for just one font (well ... one font family is more accurate) for my desire to update the font. That is why I asked about not having to pay an arm and a leg. :) Z On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Mike Wickham said: … Helvetica from your computer-- or replace it with the OpenType version. I am curious as to how to get hold of [newer] OTF versions of Helvetica (and some other old Adobe fonts that I use – like Caslon Expert) without having to pay an arm and a leg for it. As I recall, these fonts (with all variants) are darn expensive. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
OT: Adobe Fonts (and some comments/rants on the new Adobe web-site) .... Was RE: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF
Fred, thanks for the links (see at the end of this post). Separately to all: please pardon the long-winded OT stuff here! So, feel free to skip reading this ... Also, please pardon (or enjoy?), some comments/rants (below) from this old grouch. I was exploring the Adobe web site for fonts and documents and stuff today ... and got a bit frustrated. With the exception of the rant, I hope the comments are taken as constructive, rather than severe, criticism. RANDOM ... FONT BOOKS Although I am not a font geek per se (at least, I'd like to think so!), I don't know too many bookshelves that have these in it ... mine does! :) http://www.amazon.com/Just-My-Type-About-Fonts/dp/1592407463/ref=la_B000APTXA8_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1414200196sr=1-1 http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Type-Library-Reference-Book/dp/0321821254/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1414200228sr=1-1keywords=Adobe+Type The first one above, by the way, is an amusing read on fonts ... it is not a reference like the second one. And I plan to get the following when I have a bit of time to read ... during a vacation break perhaps: http://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Type-2nd-revised-expanded/dp/1568989695/ref=la_B001JRZFK8_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1414209050sr=1-1 http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Typographic-Style-Version-Anniversary/dp/0881792128/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1414208813sr=1-1 MY ADOBE FONTS In the past, I have received Adobe fonts through Acrobat and FrameMaker upgrades, and also bought a few packages and fonts (Carta, Caslon Expert, Eurostile, Type Basics, Value Pack, and others). Also, some fonts were included in Adobe Type Manager for Windows 95 (I'm showing my age ... eek!) and its upgrades. However, all of them were purchased in a Type 1 era ... before True Type and Open Type formats came along. And, some fonts don't work anymore - like the dynamic ones (Minion?) introduced in the last incarnation of ATM for Windows NT. Over the years, I have settled on a much smaller set that I use most of the time for the few documents I work on ... the others were novelties that wore off in the face of getting real work done. Not surprisingly, this small set are the ones that are well designed and/or classics that work well. Some of my fonts are in Open Type now, since they came with Adobe software upgrades. So, I have new versions of Adobe Garamond Pro, Tekton Pro, Adobe Caslon Pro and a few others. Good! However, sometimes, upgrades include different font files ... the file dates change, the file sizes change, sometimes the font version number inside the font file changes ... but not consistently. Indeed, I have seen later upgrades of FrameMaker or Acrobat include older versions of a font than an earlier upgrade of the other product (hope that made sense). Probably, what I should do is go through the fonts I still use and see what the price tag would be for updates. I suspect it may still be much higher than I would like and since I don't do much in FrameMaker anymore (am mostly using Word - for short new documents - and LaTeX with its default fonts - for longer new documents), it is not clear it would be too justifiable ... for me. YMMV, of course. BTW, please don't misunderstand me here - I am not upset about Adobe's font pricing. Other folks charge too ... look at www.linotype.comhttp://www.linotype.com for examples. It is just a cost issue for me - YMMV. OTOH, I don't think that font sales are a big part of Adobe revenue. So, I'd love to see Adobe do version upgrades for fonts (or even for older packages ... like the Type Basics set) - that might be innovative vs. other font sellers. With web pages for font updates. Maybe it would help the font team at Adobe get a small revenue bump for their work. That way, for me, I could make it more of an impulse buy to get my fonts updated - or perhaps justify it more easily anyway - than at the moment. Wishful thinking on my part perhaps ... since many fonts are included in the Creative Cloud stuff (as Adobe Typekit) now. Z RANTS (to Adobe) Non-Adobe folks, please ignore and skip if you want. major rant #1 Adobe has a brand-new web site. Very clean and shiny and new and lots of Good Stuff(tm) there, yes ... if you are Creative Cloud centric! BUT, IT IS TOUGH TO FIND INFORMATION ON FRAMEMAKER NOW! And, yes, I am SHOUTING here. WTF, Adobe? Many of the product listing pages simply do not even mention FrameMaker (or TCS too, I suppose - I don't have that). And only one link to fonts ... that only goes to the Adobe Typekit ... and that is part of Creative Cloud. Links on the main Adobe page (like the link to Desktop http://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/catalog/desktop.html) all go to Creative Cloud tools pages ... where there is NO mention of FrameMaker, of course. The Menu button in the upper right shows a pop-up where the All Products button goes to a page without any reference to FrameMaker (or TCS). But this new page has a link under a tiny word
