Re: gbde blackening feature - how can on disk keys be destroyed thoroughly?

2004-09-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Kreil writes:

Hi,

From what I can see so far, they are simply overwritten with zeros - is that 
right? If so, the blackening feature would be much weakend, as once can read 
up to 20 layers of data even under random data (and more under zeros). I would 
be most grateful for comments, or suggestions of where/how one could extend 
the code to do a secure wip of the key areas. Also, I know practically nothing 
of how I could to best get FreeBSD to physically write to disk 
(configurability of hardware cache etc permitting).

On a modern disk there is no sequence of writes that will guarantee
you that your data is iretriveable lost.

Even if you rewrite a thousand times, you cannot guard yourself against
the sector being replaced by a bad block spare after the first write.

If your threat-analysis indicates this is a serious threat for you,
you should arrange for simple physical destruction of your disk to
be available.

Most modern disks have one or more holes in the metal only covered
by a metalic sticker.  Pouring sulfuric acid through those openings
is a good start.

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Re: is there an 'open-source' RealPlayer?

2004-09-04 Thread Miguel Mendez
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 01:25:38 -0700
Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi,

   Is there any open source version of the Real Audio player?
   or a translator that takes the input or ra[m] and creates 
   a wav|mp3 stream?  Also,is anything is the works to create
   a (*ick*) Windoze version of their player for the Unix user?

IIRC mencoder (which is part of mplayer) can do that. There's also this
new project from Real called Helix ( https://helixcommunity.org/ ). I
know somebody is already working on a port. You can still use the closed
source linux version of Real Player as well, but only for replay, no
transcode AFAIK. I'd give mencoder a try, I've used it in the past to
convert between video formats and it works very well.

   Anybody out there:-) ?

Definitely :)

Cheers,
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Re: portindex/portindexdb

2004-09-04 Thread Steve Hodgson

 FWIW, portindexdb will generate INDEX-5.db just fine on 5-current. It
 doesn't have the problem with ruby bus erroring like portsdb -u does.

 Kent

This also works for me on 5.2.1-p9. Am I missing something in asking why 
couldn't portsdb -u be replaced by portindex? Obviously this couldn't 
happen now with the code-freeze for 5.3, but for 5.4?

Steve
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Workaround: KDE 3.3 startup problem

2004-09-04 Thread Alex de Kruijff
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 12:32:52AM +0200, Alex de Kruijff wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I've updated my system to kde 3.3. This all when well. Then I had some
 problem with startin it and deceded to start with a new desktop. I.e.
 new home directory, and removing every other kde file related to my
 user. This worked and I was able to login a couple times. Now i'm in the
 middle of reconfiguring my system and I can't login anymore. The last
 thing I did was enabling KDE socks (client) for kopete (which seems to
 be broken since kopete isn't able to load). I don't have a clue what to 
 do next. (I'm used configuring kde from within kde.) I was kinda hoping 
 any of you whould.
 
 
 This is the output from 'startx':
 
 XFree86 Version 4.4.0
 Release Date: 29 February 2004
 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.6
 Build Operating System: FreeBSD 5.2.1 i386 [ELF]
 Current Operating System: FreeBSD alex.lan 5.2.1-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD
 5.2.1-RELEAS
 E-p4 #0: Sat Apr  3 00:59:35 CEST 2004
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/temp/obj/disk/worl
 d/src/sys/I686 i386
 Build Date: 02 September 2004
 Changelog Date: 29 February 2004
 Before reporting problems, check http://www.XFree86.Org/
 to make sure that you have the latest version.
 Module Loader present
 Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
 (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
 (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
 (==) Log file: /var/log/XFree86.0.log, Time: Sat Sep  4 00:17:34 2004
 (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/XF86Config
 Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/, removing
 from li
 st!
 Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/, removing
 from li
 st!
 startkde: Starting up...
 QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used
 QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used
 kdeinit: Communication error with launcher. Exiting!
 Warning: connect() failed: : Connection refused
 KWrited - Listening on Device /dev/ttyp3
 ^C
 waiting for X server to shut down ksmserver: Fatal IO error: client
 killed
 kded: Fatal IO error: client killed
 GOT SIGHUP
 startkde: Shutting down...
 Warning: connect() failed: : Connection refused
 Error: Can't contact kdeinit!
 startkde: Running shutdown scripts...
 startkde: Done.
 

I found a workaround. Edit the file ~/.kde/config/kdeglobals and set
SOCKS_enable to false.


-- 
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Articles based on solutions that I use:
http://www.kruijff.org/alex/FreeBSD/
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Re: sendmail setup

2004-09-04 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2004-09-03 20:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Giorgos,
 That's a lot of info. Is all of that really necessary to allow just one
 machine to send mail thru the bsd box to the net?
 [snip]

Probably not.  The details posted in my message were the changes that I
made on my workstation at work to enable mail sending.  I'm using
several different features of Sendmail that a vanilla setup probably
doesn't need though, i.e.

- the custom mailertable entry for accessing my company's
  internal mail server through our VPN connection

- the ability to alter the envelope-from address

- masquerading as @company.com (actually, this can be more
  useful than it looks at first)

All these are features that I don't *HAVE* to enable just to be able to
send outgoing mail.  They're just convenient tricks that I thought you
might find useful :)

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Crossover Office 3.0.0

2004-09-04 Thread Lance Morely
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone had any luck getting this to work under
FreeBSD? I can install it with no problems, but when I try to run the
configure utility I get a pop-up with the message:

Unable to convert 'c:/' to a Unix path:

and I can get no further. I have tried playing with the [Drive C]
section of the config, but it seems to make no difference.

TIA
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Re: Enabling Serial Console

2004-09-04 Thread Mike Tancsa
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:18:20 -0300 (ADT), in
sentex.lists.freebsd.questions you wrote:


Wish to enable the serial console on my servers so that I can remotely 
view a reboot when it crashes ... 

Add -Dh to /boot.config
And to /etc/ttys
- ttyd0 /usr/libexec/getty std.9600   dialup  off secure
+ ttyd0 /usr/libexec/getty std.9600   vt100   on secure


want to set it so that even if the keyboard is plugged in, the serial 
console works, what do I need to add?  I always thought -P, but reading 
the man page, I'm not so sure :(

At boot up time if you want output to go to the console, hit F1 as
normal, and then at the booting prompt hit the space bar, and then
enter in -h and enter.  It will then go to the console as normal.

---Mike
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SSL-programming: no client certificate

2004-09-04 Thread Richard Kaestner
Hope, this is not too far OT:

I am playing around with a SSL Server / Client 
(from /usr/src/crypto/openssl/demos/ssl/ )

but I am unable to get the client certificate.
The original example works well - without Client Cert.


What I did:

- I copied the code from server.c into the cli.c:
  SSL_CTX_use_certificate_file(ctx, ...,
  SSL_CTX_use_PrivateKey_file(ctx, ...
  SSL_CTX_check_private_key(ctx, ...
  before creating the socket (sd = socket (AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, 0);)

  I also tried with 
  SSL_use_certificate_file(ssl, ...,
  SSL_use_PrivateKey_file(ssl, ...
  SSL_check_private_key(ssl, ...
  aftre ssl = SSL_new (ctx);
  ... also no client cert.

- added  to server.c:
  SSL_set_verify(ssl, SSL_VERIFY_PEER, 0);
  SSL_set_verify_depth(ssl, 0);

  client_cert = SSL_get_peer_certificate(ssl);

whatever I played around, I do not receive the client certificate!

what do I wrong, what am I missing ?

(using FreeBSD 4.10)

-- 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Richard Kästner
EDV-Beratung
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Re: jdk14 not building?

2004-09-04 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 04:43:00AM -0500, Mike Meyer wrote:
 I'm getting the attached when trying to build jdk14, using the
 linux-sun-jdk as the pre-installed jdk.
 
 /datmp/ports/usr/ports/java/jdk14/work/control/build/bsd-i586/gensrc/java/util/CurrencyData.java:1:
  'class' or 'interface' expected
 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM warning: Can't detect initial thread stack location
 ^
 /datmp/ports/usr/ports/java/jdk14/work/control/build/bsd-i586/gensrc/java/util/CurrencyData.java:1:
  unclosed character literal
 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM warning: Can't detect initial thread stack location
^
 2 errors
 gmake[4]: *** [.compile.classlist] Error 1
 gmake[4]: Leaving directory 
 `/datmp/ports/usr/ports/java/jdk14/work/j2se/make/java/java'
 gmake[3]: *** [optimized] Error 2
 gmake[3]: Leaving directory 
 `/datmp/ports/usr/ports/java/jdk14/work/j2se/make/java/java'
 gmake[2]: *** [all] Error 1
 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/datmp/ports/usr/ports/java/jdk14/work/j2se/make/java'
 gmake[1]: *** [all] Error 1
 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/datmp/ports/usr/ports/java/jdk14/work/j2se/make'
 gmake: *** [j2se-build] Error 2
 *** Error code 2
 
 Stop in /usr/ports/java/jdk14.
 
 Any hints on how to get it to finish greatly appreciated.

Remove the corrupted file -- the build process should regenerate it
automatically.

Make sure that the linux proc filesystem is mounted:

# mount -t linprocfs linprocfs /compat/linux/proc

Restart the build.

Failing that, do a 'make clean' and try building from scratch with
linprocfs mounted.

This bug has bitten quite a few people: that's why the port Makefile
does explicitly print out instructions to mount linprocfs nowadays.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: error compiling kernel

2004-09-04 Thread messmate
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:03:26 +0400
Sergey Zaharchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 09:40:35PM +0200,
 messmate probably wrote:
 Hello,
 to setup the pf firewall had to compile 
 a new kernel.
 So added the options, compile and get this error :
 gensetdefs:  kern_synch.o: not an ELF file
 gensetdefs:  sys.pipe.o:  not an ELF ile

Try doing a make clean before the make buildkernel.

Ok, it's done and runnung :)

Erm, has pf been backported to 4.x yet?

I CVS pf from 4_10 but it's only for ver.5 or above ???
What does this mean ?
Thanks
mess-mate
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Re: portindex/portindexdb

2004-09-04 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 11:08:49AM +0100, Steve Hodgson wrote:

  FWIW, portindexdb will generate INDEX-5.db just fine on 5-current. It
  doesn't have the problem with ruby bus erroring like portsdb -u does.

 This also works for me on 5.2.1-p9. Am I missing something in asking why 
 couldn't portsdb -u be replaced by portindex? Obviously this couldn't 
 happen now with the code-freeze for 5.3, but for 5.4?

The question would seem to be moot now.  As of this morning portsdb is
able to build an INDEX.db once again.  Although I cannot see exactly
what was committed in order to make that work.

Since both portindex and protupgrade are 3rd party tools, and neither
are likely to be committed either to the base system or to become part
of the official ports infrastructure[1], it's entirely up to you which
one you choose.

Cheers,

Matthew

[1] In the grand tradition of cvsup(1), it seems that any insanely
useful tools for managing ports will be written in languages other
than those provided as standard.

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pf_freebsd_2.03

2004-09-04 Thread messmate
Hi,
is there somewhat wrong with package pf_freebsd from 
ports ( release_4_10_0) ??
I cvs't but wont compile; is only 
for 5.0 or above ??
When looking the tag, release 4_10_0 is 
there.

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Questions about FreeBSD hardware support

2004-09-04 Thread KTzone
I've just install a new server, use Adaptec 29320ALP,2 x 73GB SCSI HDD
IN RAID 0, but it seems that can't co-operate with FreeBSD, it can't
install.
When I install FreeBSD 4.10 and try to enter the sysinstall, it
keeps showing resetting device, can't enter sysinstall
then i try FreeBSD 5.2.1, and can enter sysinstall but can't detect
the harddisk, and FDISK shows DISK NOT FOUND.
After that, I found the information of supporting this card from :
FreeBSD/i386 4.10-RELEASE Hardware
Notes(http://hk.freebsd.org/releases/4.10R/hardware-i386.html)
it shows that SCSI RAID CARD  SCSI HDD are workable with no problem,
becasue i've tried to install REDHAT 9, it's ok. (p.s. but it should
need driver disk to detect SCSI RAID CARD).

Would you please help me to solve this problem.
Your latest reply is highly appreciate
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[Re: Unable to write to CD-R]

2004-09-04 Thread Norm Vilmer
 Original Message 
Subject: Unable to write to CD-R
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 15:56:45 -0500
From: Norm Vilmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am having trouble burning an iso image to a CD-R using FreeBSD 4.10.
I have tried using burncd , cdrecord, and  growifofs, all appear to have 
basically the same problem (see details below) Operation not 
permitted. One thing that bugs me is that dmesg reports my drive as a 
DVD-R.

I am not sure if this is the problem or how to addressing correcting it. 
Note: the BIOS reports the drive to be TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R6112 1031, 
not a DVD-RW.

Can anyone give me some direction as to what I should try next, or
better yet, how I can get the burner working?
Details:
FYI: I read the CD-Writing Howto and several other articles and followed
the instructions therein to the best of my ability (you be the judge). 
This included:

- logging in as root;
- adding device atapicam  to the kernel configuration and rebuilding
the kernel;
- creating /etc/devfs.conf as follows:
linkacd0cdrom
linkacd0dvd
permacd00660
permcd0 0660
permpass0   0660
permpass1   0660
permpass2   0660
permpass3   0660
permxpt00666
- installing cdrecord, dvd+rw-tools
- ensure that the drive can read CD's and DVDs
- running ./MAKEDEV pass10 in the /dev directory
also added these
hw.ata.ata_dma=1
hw.ata.atapi_dma=1
to /boot/loader.conf
mount -t cd9660 /dev/cd0 /cdrom # works fine CD's and DVD's
Here's some things I tried:
burncd -f /dev/acd0c -s 12 data 5.2.1-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso fixate
burncd: open(/dev/acd0c): Operation not permitted
cdrecord -scanbus
Cdrecord 2.00.3 (I386 .
cdrecord: Operation not permitted. Error opening /dev/pass0 Cam error 
'camreal_
opendevice: coundn't open passthr. Cannot open SCSI driver.

growisofs -dvd-compat -speed=4 -Z /dev/cd0c=5.2.1-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso
:-( unable to cam_open_pass(/dev/pass0, O_RDWR): Operation not permitted.
dmesg |grep DVD
acd0: DVD-R TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R6112 at ata1-master UDMA33
cd0: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R6112 1031 Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device
atacontrol list
ATA channel 0:
Master: ad0 TOSHIBA MK8026GAX/PA001G ATA/ATAPI rev 6
Slave:  no device present
ATA channel 1:
Master: acd0 TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R6112/1031 ATA/ATAPI rev 5
Slave:  no device present
camcontrol devlist
TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R6112 1031   at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (pass0, cd0)
Hardware:
MB:   VIA EPIA-CL1, 512MB RAM, Award BIOS 6.00pw
Burner:   Toshiba SD-R6112 DVD-RW
Andrew L. Gould wrote:
Were you logged in as root?
Andrew Gould
Norm Vilmer wrote:
Sorry about the last response, I think I have my mail client setup 
better for text and continuing the message at the botton rather than the 
top.

Yes. I was logged in as root. I also played with the permissions
in /dev giving the u=rw,o=rw,u=rw, but it did not do anything so I put
the permissions back.
Is it possible the OS thinks the device is a read-only device? How Do I 
go about debugging this problem, i.e., can I find out where the problem 
is in the code? Can I get a more verbosity show why the operation is not 
permitted?

Norm Vilmer

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RE: minor gcc 3.4 issue

2004-09-04 Thread LiQuiD
Please forgive me if there was an easy way to find this out and I'm
retarded, but uhm... how can I know if the issue brought forward in the
post last month by the person below applies to the 4.x or 5.x branch?

I have a FreeBSD system that was cvsup'd to -STABLE on jul. 24th and I'd
like to do so again in the next few weeks.  However, I'm reluctant to do
so if this new compiler is an issue as this machine is a mail server and
dns server for my network.

Thank you,
Sandro

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Huff
 Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 7:04 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: minor gcc 3.4 issue
 
 
   According to UPDATING:
 
 20040728:
 System compiler has been upgraded to GCC 3.4.2-pre. As with
 any major compiler upgrade, there are several issues to be
 aware of. GCC 3.4.x has broken C++ ABI compatibility with
 previous releases yet again and users will have to rebuild
 all their C++ programs with the new compiler.
 
   Is there any way to determine which programs those would be,
 short of running them and watching them break?  (I'm thinking
 something which looks at the source code or makefiles )
 
 
 
   Robert Huff
 
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Re: Unable to write to CD-R

2004-09-04 Thread Andrew L. Gould
On Friday 03 September 2004 03:56 pm, Norm Vilmer wrote:
 I am having trouble burning an iso image to a CD-R using FreeBSD
 4.10. I have tried using
 burncd , cdrecord, and  growifofs, all appear to have basically the
 same problem (see details below)
 Operation not permitted. The only thing bugs me is dmesg reports my
 drive as a DVD-R.
 I am not sure if this is the problem or how to addressing correcting
 it if it is. Note: the BIOS
 report the drive to be TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R6112 1031.

 Can anyone give me some direction as to what I should try next, or
 better, I can the burner working?

 Details:

 FYI: I read the CD-Writing Howto and several other articles and
 followed the instructions therein to the best of my ability (you be
 the judge). This included:

 - logging in as root;
 - adding device atapicam  to the kernel configuration and
 rebuilding the kernel;
 - creating /etc/devfs.conf as follows:

 linkacd0cdrom
 linkacd0dvd
 permacd00660
 permcd0 0660
 permpass0   0660
 permpass1   0660
 permpass2   0660
 permpass3   0660
 permxpt00666

Once atapicam is installed, the CDROM device should have changed 
from /dev/acd0c to /dev/cd0c.  From my pc:
ls -alh /dev/cd0c
crw-r-  2 root  operator   15,   2 May 27 12:17 /dev/cd0c


 - installing cdrecord, dvd+rw-tools
 - ensure that the drive can read CD's and DVDs
 - running ./MAKEDEV pass10 in the /dev directory

 also added these

 hw.ata.ata_dma=1
 hw.ata.atapi_dma=1

 to /boot/loader.conf

 mount -t cd9660 /dev/cd0 /cdrom   # works fine CD's and DVD's

 Here's some things I tried:

 burncd -f /dev/acd0c -s 12 data 5.2.1-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso fixate
 burncd: open(/dev/acd0c): Operation not permitted

Once you have atapicam working, burncd should not work.  Also, as per 
above, /dev/acd0c should no longer represent the CDROM.


 cdrecord -scanbus
 Cdrecord 2.00.3 (I386 .
 cdrecord: Operation not permitted. Error opening /dev/pass0 Cam error
 'camreal_ opendevice: coundn't open passthr. Cannot open SCSI driver.

 growisofs -dvd-compat -speed=4 -Z
 /dev/cd0c=5.2.1-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso

 :-( unable to cam_open_pass(/dev/pass0, O_RDWR): Operation not
 : permitted.

 dmesg |grep DVD
 acd0: DVD-R TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R6112 at ata1-master UDMA33
 cd0: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R6112 1031 Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device

 atacontrol list
 ATA channel 0:
   Master: ad0 TOSHIBA MK8026GAX/PA001G ATA/ATAPI rev 6
   Slave:  no device present
 ATA channel 1:
   Master: acd0 TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R6112/1031 ATA/ATAPI rev 5
   Slave:  no device present

 camcontrol devlist
 TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R6112 1031   at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (pass0, cd0)

 Hardware:

 MB:   VIA EPIA-CL1, 512MB RAM, Award BIOS 6.00pw
 Burner:   Toshiba SD-R6112 DVD-RW


I think the fact that the DVD-ROM is in the camcontrol devlist indicates 
that atapicam is working.  The question remains as to why 'cdrecord 
-scanbus' didn't work.

1. Are you sure the DVD-RW also burns CD's?
2. Do you know if anyone has gotten this Toshiba model to burn DVD-RW's 
using FreeBSD?

Good luck,

Andrew Gould
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Better way to get interface assigned to default route?

2004-09-04 Thread Markie
Hi all,

I just now replaced my 350MHz PII home server back to the old 133MHz PI to
see if my crashing problems went away. I have noticed that dhclient-script
does a `netstat -rn | grep ^default | awk {'print $6'}` to get the
interface that the default route is on, in my case my dsl modem is on fxp1.
Since this is a slow machine however, this takes a very long time for it to
do that command as I seem to have quite alot of...routing entries I guess
they are?

So, simple question really... does anyone else know a better way this can
be done, or is this the only way? If it's the only way i'll just change
dhclient-script so it's fixed as fxp1 and doesn't do the whole netstat -rn
thing to try and get that...

Thanks.

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Problems using USB Storage devices...

2004-09-04 Thread Keatis
Hi,

I've encountered a problem using USB Flash drives and USB HDD.
I have 2 PCs, first - Intel Pentium PII 233MHz on LX chipset with Intel USB 
controller, USB1.0 (let's call this pc1), and second - Intel Pentium Xeon 2.4GHz with 
SCSI, LSILogic MegaRAID controllers and Intel 82801DB USB controller, USB1.0. There is 
also 4 SCSI HDDs in two RAID 1 - amrd0 and amrd1 respectively (let's call this pc2).

FreeBSD-5.2.1-RELEASE is installed on both pc1 and pc2 (using GENERIC kernel).
Thus,
device scbus
device da
device pass
device uhci
device ohci
device ehci
device usb
device umass
are present in kernel config. And usbd_enabled=yes in rc.conf.
Systems are fresh-installed and no configs were changed on both PCs.

USB-Drives using on pc1 is problemless. usbd is reporting on 1st console attach/detach 
actions, umassX and daX devices are created properly, then, mount - is no question, it 
works fine.

But, the problem is pc2.
When i attach either Flash-drive, or USB HDD, usbd keeps silence and doesn't report 
anything. So umass and da devices are NOT created. And so, i can't use any usb-drives 
at all. Usb mouse is working fine and usbd tells its words on 1st console when i 
detach mouse.

Can't figure out what's the problem, so i want ask you to help.
Can you explain, what is wrong?

Thanks in advance!!

uname -a is FreeBSD xxx.xxx.xxx 5.2.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Feb 23 
20:45:55 GMT 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386
Flash-drives are SanDisk 128Mb and JetFlash 256Mb,
USB HDD is Maxtor EXT 200Mb USB2.0
USB hubs on pc2 are not broken. They worked fine on previous MS Windows 2003 Server.
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Re: Unable to write to CD-R

2004-09-04 Thread Norm Vilmer
Andrew L. Gould wrote:
On Friday 03 September 2004 03:56 pm, Norm Vilmer wrote:
I am having trouble burning an iso image to a CD-R using FreeBSD
4.10. I have tried using
burncd , cdrecord, and  growifofs, all appear to have basically the
same problem (see details below)
Operation not permitted. The only thing bugs me is dmesg reports my
drive as a DVD-R.
I am not sure if this is the problem or how to addressing correcting
it if it is. Note: the BIOS
report the drive to be TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R6112 1031.
Can anyone give me some direction as to what I should try next, or
better, I can the burner working?
Details:
FYI: I read the CD-Writing Howto and several other articles and
followed the instructions therein to the best of my ability (you be
the judge). This included:
- logging in as root;
- adding device atapicam  to the kernel configuration and
rebuilding the kernel;
- creating /etc/devfs.conf as follows:
linkacd0cdrom
linkacd0dvd
permacd00660
permcd0 0660
permpass0   0660
permpass1   0660
permpass2   0660
permpass3   0660
permxpt00666

Once atapicam is installed, the CDROM device should have changed 
from /dev/acd0c to /dev/cd0c.  From my pc:
	ls -alh /dev/cd0c
	crw-r-  2 root  operator   15,   2 May 27 12:17 /dev/cd0c


- installing cdrecord, dvd+rw-tools
- ensure that the drive can read CD's and DVDs
- running ./MAKEDEV pass10 in the /dev directory
also added these
hw.ata.ata_dma=1
hw.ata.atapi_dma=1
to /boot/loader.conf
mount -t cd9660 /dev/cd0 /cdrom # works fine CD's and DVD's
Here's some things I tried:
burncd -f /dev/acd0c -s 12 data 5.2.1-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso fixate
burncd: open(/dev/acd0c): Operation not permitted

Once you have atapicam working, burncd should not work.  Also, as per 
above, /dev/acd0c should no longer represent the CDROM.


cdrecord -scanbus
Cdrecord 2.00.3 (I386 .
cdrecord: Operation not permitted. Error opening /dev/pass0 Cam error
'camreal_ opendevice: coundn't open passthr. Cannot open SCSI driver.
growisofs -dvd-compat -speed=4 -Z
/dev/cd0c=5.2.1-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso
:-( unable to cam_open_pass(/dev/pass0, O_RDWR): Operation not
: permitted.
dmesg |grep DVD
acd0: DVD-R TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R6112 at ata1-master UDMA33
cd0: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R6112 1031 Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device
atacontrol list
ATA channel 0:
Master: ad0 TOSHIBA MK8026GAX/PA001G ATA/ATAPI rev 6
Slave:  no device present
ATA channel 1:
Master: acd0 TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R6112/1031 ATA/ATAPI rev 5
Slave:  no device present
camcontrol devlist
TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R6112 1031   at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (pass0, cd0)
Hardware:
MB:   VIA EPIA-CL1, 512MB RAM, Award BIOS 6.00pw
Burner:   Toshiba SD-R6112 DVD-RW

I think the fact that the DVD-ROM is in the camcontrol devlist indicates 
that atapicam is working.  The question remains as to why 'cdrecord 
-scanbus' didn't work.

1. Are you sure the DVD-RW also burns CD's?
2. Do you know if anyone has gotten this Toshiba model to burn DVD-RW's 
using FreeBSD?

Good luck,
Andrew Gould
I reviewed the drives specs, and it does burn CD-R's and CD-RW's in 
addition to DVD's. I will do another post asking if anyone else has 
gotten this burner to work with FreeBSD.

Do you know if there is a way to bet a more verbose message (why the 
operation is not permitted) or to debug this problem (I am confortable 
working with C/C++ but have never looked any FreeBSD source)?




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Toshiba SD-R6112 DVD-RW

2004-09-04 Thread Norm Vilmer
Has anyone successfully burned a CD or DVD
using a Toshiba SD-R6112 DVD-RW drive with
FreeBSD version 4.10?
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Re: minor gcc 3.4 issue

2004-09-04 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 11:36:30AM -0400, LiQuiD wrote:
 I have a FreeBSD system that was cvsup'd to -STABLE on jul. 24th and I'd
 like to do so again in the next few weeks.  However, I'm reluctant to do
 so if this new compiler is an issue as this machine is a mail server and
 dns server for my network.

Umm... the compiler update to gcc-3.4.2 went into CURRENT and will be
in 5.3-RELEASE.  STABLE is still 4.10-STABLE (for a few more weeks at
least), and it's still using gcc 2.95.4.

As a matter of policy 4.10-STABLE isn't going to have any disruptive
upgrades of major software systems, unless that's the only way to
solve a security problem.  You can update to the latest 4-STABLE
without worrying too much about stuff suddenly stopping working.
There will be a sendmail 8.12.x to 8.13.x upgrade involved if you
update from July 24th sources, but that's relatively minor, and
sendmail should happily carry on working with no corrective action
necessary.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Better way to get interface assigned to default route?

2004-09-04 Thread Remko Lodder
Hi Markie,
Markie wrote:
Hi all,
I just now replaced my 350MHz PII home server back to the old 133MHz PI to
see if my crashing problems went away. I have noticed that dhclient-script
does a `netstat -rn | grep ^default | awk {'print $6'}` to get the
interface that the default route is on, in my case my dsl modem is on fxp1.
Since this is a slow machine however, this takes a very long time for it to
do that command as I seem to have quite alot of...routing entries I guess
they are?
Okay it seems to me that you want to use DHCP in order to get your ass 
(machine) in the internet. That seems rather logically, only i use the 
dhclient interface command (dhclient rl0 for example). To me it sounds 
rather silly to do a netstat -rn command, checkup the default route 
interface and then add dhcp stuff into it.. since dhcp sets these 
default route for me..

Perhaps you can try and see if that works quicker :)
Cheers
--
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Re: Sendmail weirdness with 5.3 Beta2

2004-09-04 Thread epf1
 On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 14:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am having an odd problem with sendmail on a FreeBSD 5.3 Beta2 box that
 has been updated from 5.2.1.

 Here is the problem. I have a .forward set up for root that sends
 the mail from the periodic scripts on to a real account.

 Right now it doesn't work. It errors out with the following message from
 mailq:

 Deferred: Name server: mail.mailserver.com.: host name lookup failure

 What is odd is this .forward worked before I updated the box to 5.3, and
 the same account and setup still works for the other 3 unix boxes in the
 basement. If I change the .forward on the broken box to point to my
 gmail
 account the mail goes right through.

 Any ideas out there on what might have changed with sendmail between
 5.2.1
 and 5.3 Beta2?

 seems like an odd way to do it. I've moved to postfix from sendmail, but
 i would set up an alias, unless there is a specific reason you are using
 a .forward. Since that 'mail.mailserver.com' seems like a placeholder, I
 would do a grep for that in your configs. I would imagine that would
 give some light.

 if you are unfamiliar w/ aliases, here's an example:

 root: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 where all mail for the user root wll be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Indeed, the .forward that might seem like an odd way to do it, but it has
worked for me for years...it's real simple to do to and what's really nice
is there is no config needed to make it work!

What strikes me as really odd about this are 2 things. First this setup
was working 2 days ago before I went from FreeBSD 5.2.1 to 5.3 Beta2. The
other thing is that the 3 other boxes in the basement (2 OpenBSD  1 Free)
are still functioning just fine with the .forward in place. If I change
the address in the .forward to my gmail account things work just fine on
the Free 5.3 box.

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Re: Better way to get interface assigned to default route?

2004-09-04 Thread Markie
Stupid me forgot to forward it back to the list, hit the wrong button.
Sorry :-D

- Original Message -
From: Markie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Remko Lodder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: Better way to get interface assigned to default route?


| - Original Message -
| From: Remko Lodder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| To: Markie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 5:23 PM
| Subject: Re: Better way to get interface assigned to default route?
|
|
| | Hi Markie,
| |
| | Markie wrote:
| |
| |  Hi all,
| | 
| |  I just now replaced my 350MHz PII home server back to the old 133MHz
PI
| to
| |  see if my crashing problems went away. I have noticed that
| dhclient-script
| |  does a `netstat -rn | grep ^default | awk {'print $6'}` to get the
| |  interface that the default route is on, in my case my dsl modem is on
| fxp1.
| |  Since this is a slow machine however, this takes a very long time for
| it to
| |  do that command as I seem to have quite alot of...routing entries I
| guess
| |  they are?
| |
| | Okay it seems to me that you want to use DHCP in order to get your ass
| | (machine) in the internet. That seems rather logically, only i use the
| | dhclient interface command (dhclient rl0 for example). To me it
sounds
|
| Suggesting I do `dhclient fxp1`? That's exactly my problem though :-)
That
| uses /sbin/dhclient-script to do all of it's work, right? dhclient-script
| tries to figure out the interface... or something to do with a default
| route by doing that netstat -rn command.
|
| dhclient-script snippet...
| 
| if [ x$alias_subnet_mask != x ]; then
|   alias_subnet_arg=netmask $alias_subnet_mask
| fi
|
| # Get the interface to which our default route is bound to.
| if [ -x /usr/bin/netstat ]; then
|if_defaultroute=`/usr/bin/netstat -rn \
|| /usr/bin/grep ^default \
|| /usr/bin/awk '{print $6}'`
| else
| if_defaultroute=x
| fi
|
| if [ x$reason = xMEDIUM ]; then
|   eval ifconfig $interface $medium
|   eval ifconfig $interface inet -alias 0.0.0.0 $medium /dev/null 21
|   sleep 1
|   exit_with_hooks 0
| fi
| ---
|
| See it? Basically I am after some sort of command that might be able to
get
| the interface with the default route assigned but quicker than
netstat -rn
| since I have alot of routing table entries. Like I said, if there's no
| other way I will just have to fix it so it's if_defaultroute = fxp1.
|
| I've already had to make some changes to the script to get it to work
with
| my modem anyway so it won't hurt me :-) I was just wondering if there was
| any other nice way of doing it so that say if I changed the internet
| interface to a vx card I wouldn't have to try and remember to change that
| to vx0 (I _will_ forget I made the change :-)
|
| | rather silly to do a netstat -rn command, checkup the default route
| | interface and then add dhcp stuff into it.. since dhcp sets these
| | default route for me..
| |
| | Perhaps you can try and see if that works quicker :)
| |
| | Cheers
| |
| |
|
| Thanks
|
| | --
| | Kind regards,
| |
| | Remko Lodder   |[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| | Reporter DSINet|[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| | Projectleader Mostly-Harmless  |[EMAIL PROTECTED]
|

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ftp-master.FreeBSD.org

2004-09-04 Thread Chris Ryan
Hi All

I am a keen freeBSD user.

I love rebuilding the kernel / upgrading looking at
where its going next...

The concepts being released in 5.3 are great including
the windows drivers hooks...


I am keen to help out where I can.

How can I get access to ftp-master.FreeBSD.org to help
with testing?

Regards

Chris

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Re: ftp-master.FreeBSD.org

2004-09-04 Thread Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P.
Chris Ryan wrote:
Hi All
I am a keen freeBSD user.
I love rebuilding the kernel / upgrading looking at
where its going next...
The concepts being released in 5.3 are great including
the windows drivers hooks...
I am keen to help out where I can.
How can I get access to ftp-master.FreeBSD.org to help
with testing?
Regards
Chris
 

I think the canonical answer is:
1.  Master C programming, or at least get Real Good[tm].
2.  Submit lots of PR's via send-pr(1) that start with the
   string (PATCH).
3.  Make sure the above fix extant problems or add cool new
   features, and that they do it the Right Way[tm], instead of
   the this seems to work for me approach used by Penguin
   afficiandos at times...
4.  Wait a while, folks notice, then you will be eternally punished with
   a commit bit.
I don't think master is open to non-committers.  But I could
be wrong about that ...
Kevin Kinsey
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Re: ftp-master.FreeBSD.org

2004-09-04 Thread Lewis Thompson
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 03:53:48AM +1000, Chris Ryan wrote:
 How can I get access to ftp-master.FreeBSD.org to help
 with testing?

I think you might be getting confused.  If you want to help with testing
you want to be tracking -STABLE (or maybe even -HEAD).  Reading the
Handbook is a good idea here;
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/current-stable.html
might be a good place to start.

  Good luck,

-lewiz.

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Re: is there an 'open-source' RealPlayer?

2004-09-04 Thread Vulpes Velox
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:52:55 +0200
Miguel Mendez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 01:25:38 -0700
 Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 Hi,
 
  Is there any open source version of the Real Audio player?
  or a translator that takes the input or ra[m] and creates 
  a wav|mp3 stream?  Also,is anything is the works to create
  a (*ick*) Windoze version of their player for the Unix user?
 
 IIRC mencoder (which is part of mplayer) can do that. There's also
 this new project from Real called Helix (
 https://helixcommunity.org/ ). I know somebody is already working on
 a port. You can still use the closed source linux version of Real
 Player as well, but only for replay, no transcode AFAIK. I'd give
 mencoder a try, I've used it in the past to convert between video
 formats and it works very well.

AFAIK the closed source one from real is no longer fetchable...

But mplayer handles nearly all real files properly, so I don't see a
problem with using it. The only problem I have ran into is using
mplayer with some old episodes of Daria I have on disk in which the
audio gets horridly out of sync. But other than those few, it has all
ways worked nicely.

BTW for doing audio dumps of streams, mplayer works nicely. You can
just dump to pcm using  -ao pcm. Not really sure how to directly get
it to dump to a mp3 file... AFAIK it will dump to a avi with no video
and just a audio stream for doing audio only?
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Do I need every .iso file?

2004-09-04 Thread Doug
Ja, for FreeBSD, do I also need in addition to the disc1 and disc2 isos, for I386, do 
I need to use the i386minilist.iso file, or can I do without? Thanks.
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Re: Do I need every .iso file?

2004-09-04 Thread Olaf Hoyer
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, Doug wrote:

 Ja, for FreeBSD, do I also need in addition to the disc1 and disc2 isos, for I386, 
 do I need to use the i386minilist.iso file, or can I do without? Thanks.


Hi!

The miniinst.iso is a disc1 minus several pre-compiled packages, such as
X etc.

So if you already have the full disc1, you do not need the miniinst.

Also on disc3/4 are only precompiled packages, when you have a good
internet connection, use of the ports tree is way simpler IMHO.

HTH
Olaf
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Re: is there an 'open-source' RealPlayer?

2004-09-04 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 10:52:55AM +0200, Miguel Mendez wrote:
 On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 01:25:38 -0700
 Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 Hi,
 
  Is there any open source version of the Real Audio player?
  or a translator that takes the input or ra[m] and creates 
  a wav|mp3 stream?  Also,is anything is the works to create
  a (*ick*) Windoze version of their player for the Unix user?
 
 IIRC mencoder (which is part of mplayer) can do that. 

Can anyone clue me in further re mplayer?  (I tried it
N months ago, got stuck, went back to other players.
...maybe i got something working, i forget.   )


 There's also this
 new project from Real called Helix ( https://helixcommunity.org/ ). I
 know somebody is already working on a port. 

Do you mean a port of Real? or Helix?  I saw the Helix
stuff on the realaudio.com site; never got back to it.

 You can still use the closed
 source linux version of Real Player as well, but only for replay, no
 transcode AFAIK. I'd give mencoder a try, I've used it in the past to
 convert between video formats and it works very well.
 
  Anybody out there:-) ?
 
 Definitely :)
 
Great!  have a good one,

gary


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Re: [Re: Unable to write to CD-R]

2004-09-04 Thread Richard Lynch
 cdrecord -scanbus
 Cdrecord 2.00.3 (I386 .
 cdrecord: Operation not permitted. Error opening /dev/pass0 Cam error
 'camreal_
 opendevice: coundn't open passthr. Cannot open SCSI driver.

I dunno about all this other stuff, but to me, *THIS* looks like you don't
have the IDE-SCSI module installed.

The IDE-SCSI module fools the OS into believing your IDE CDRW device is
really a SCSI device.

Without that, cdrecord can't work, since it works through the SCSI interface.

Under RedHat, you would find/download/install the ide-scsi software, and
then do insmod ide-scsi

You might also need to make some devices /dev/pg0 etc -- It's all in an
FAQ somewheres for cdrecord.

I gather from my minimal experience with FreeBSD that you'd be doing
something more like pkgload (?) but the principle remains the same:  You
need a module to fool the OS into believing your CD/DVD burner is SCSI
when it's not, or cdrecord simply won't talk to it.

 cd0: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R6112 1031 Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device

This, however, indicates that it *IS* a SCSI device...

And its number is 0

In which case, I would start with:

cdrecord dev=0,0,0 -data whatever.iso

 TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R6112 1031   at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (pass0, cd0)

Whoops!

Also try:

cdrecord dev=1,0,0 -data whatever.iso

as it seems to be on bus 1.

Do all of this as 'root'  If you can get it to work as root, then evaluate
how badly you need it to work for other users, and what holes you open
up to do so.

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Re: ftp-master.FreeBSD.org

2004-09-04 Thread Chris Ryan

 I think you might be getting confused.  If you want
 to help with testing
 you want to be tracking -STABLE (or maybe even
 -HEAD).

ok thanks


  Reading the
 Handbook is a good idea here;

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/current-stable.html
 might be a good place to start.


i love the handbook - that is one of the best things
about freeBSD - there is either the very complete MAN
pages and great detail in the book.

Especially compared to other systems around


 
   Good luck,
 


thanks Lewis

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Re: ftp-master.FreeBSD.org

2004-09-04 Thread Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P.
Lewis Thompson wrote:
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 03:53:48AM +1000, Chris Ryan wrote:
 

How can I get access to ftp-master.FreeBSD.org to help
with testing?
   

I think you might be getting confused.  If you want to help with testing
you want to be tracking -STABLE (or maybe even -HEAD).  Reading the
Handbook is a good idea here;
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/current-stable.html
might be a good place to start.
 Good luck,
-lewiz.
 

Quite possibly I was confused, too.  I was apparently
addressing the access issue and not the testing one.
Anyone who has guts to stay cvsup'ed to -STABLE or
the potentially dangerous?? -CURRENT/HEAD is
actually testing if they actually install and use the
systems and report any problems.
So, if Christ learns to track the code, he'll be able
to help ... w/o any need to actually access master...
Good call, Lewiz.
KDK
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USERS CAN'T GMAKE

2004-09-04 Thread Cihan Çulha
Environment
FreeBSD server.deneyim.net 5.2.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Feb 
23 20:45:55 GMT 2004 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386

Description
In my server my users can't gmake in their accounts the irc services ex: 
ircservices,anope,epona... When a user wrote gmake.The system send to
bash$ gmake
gmake -C lang index
gmake: getcwd: : Permission denied
gmake[1]: getcwd: : Permission denied
gmake[1]: Entering an unknown directorygmake[1]: `index' is up to date.
gmake[1]: Leaving an unknown directorygmake: getcwd: : Permission denied
gmake[1]: getcwd: : Permission denied
gmake[1]: Entering an unknown directorygmake: getcwd: : Permission denied
gmake[2]: getcwd: : Permission denied
gmake[2]: Entering an unknown directorygmake: getcwd: : Permission denied
gmake: getcwd: : Permission denied
vsvs.
 How can i fix it? When i enter the user's account by root(su) I can 
gmake.But the users can't.Please help me.Thank you.

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Re: portindex/portindexdb

2004-09-04 Thread Donald J. O'Neill
Hello Mattthew,

This is not a moot point. I've been struggling with this problem 
since this morning. The problem would just not go away.

After I cvsup the ports, I use make index and then portversion 
-rRvc. I also run script whenever I cvsup, portupgrade, or install 
a new port. On 090104 I cvsup'd ports and successfully portupgraded 
the ports (except a couple of php5 extentions and qcad, no big 
deal, I'll wait a while). On 090204 I again cvsup'd ports and 
successfully portupgraded the ports (exceptions previously noted). 
Today, I cvsup'd the ports, ran make index, and when I ran 
portupgrade -rRcv, it went into a loop, on ttyv0 I was getting a 
message that ruby18 uid 0: exited on signal 6 (coredumped). That 
ruby18.core file is over 10mb, would it be of use to anyone?

After several different cvsup's, and other ways to generate INDEX-5, 
all of which worked by the way, but all the ways of checking for 
ports needing updating caused ruby18 to fail. 

The one I found was, on 090104 I did a portupgrade of portmanager. I 
also had portsman installed (probablu inconsequential). I did a 
make deinstall of portmanager and portsman. After that 
portversion -rRvc worked, ruby18 was no longer seg faulting. I 
suspect the problem had something to do with the upgrade of 
portmanger.

It solved my problem anyway.

I am not investigating any further. I have other things that I'm 
trying to accomplish. However, I someone wants the ruby18.core 
file, I e-mail it. It is over 10mb and a lot of e-mail programs 
won't take an atachment that big.

Don

Donald J. O'Neill
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On Saturday 04 September 2004 09:10 am, Matthew Seaman wrote:
 On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 11:08:49AM +0100, Steve Hodgson wrote:
   FWIW, portindexdb will generate INDEX-5.db just fine on
   5-current. It doesn't have the problem with ruby bus erroring
   like portsdb -u does.
 
  This also works for me on 5.2.1-p9. Am I missing something in
  asking why couldn't portsdb -u be replaced by portindex?
  Obviously this couldn't happen now with the code-freeze for
  5.3, but for 5.4?

 The question would seem to be moot now.  As of this morning
 portsdb is able to build an INDEX.db once again.  Although I
 cannot see exactly what was committed in order to make that work.

 Since both portindex and protupgrade are 3rd party tools, and
 neither are likely to be committed either to the base system or
 to become part of the official ports infrastructure[1], it's
 entirely up to you which one you choose.

  Cheers,

  Matthew

 [1] In the grand tradition of cvsup(1), it seems that any
 insanely useful tools for managing ports will be written in
 languages other than those provided as standard.

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Re: is there an 'open-source' RealPlayer?

2004-09-04 Thread Vulpes Velox
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:17:02 -0700
Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Sounding more hopeful.  Can you please post your mplayer
   configuration?  Or give me some hints on howto replace
   realplay with mplayer with mozilla?  It would be nice to
   have FBSD versions of every tool, plug-in or otherwise.
   (Be nice to have Java plugins for mozilla, but Sun has 
   its corporate head up where the sun don' shine... *sigh*)

I have nothing special in my config for it.

There is a mplayer plugin for mozilla in the ports.

AFAIK the plugin for java comes with the java ports.

  BTW for doing audio dumps of streams, mplayer works nicely. You
  can just dump to pcm using  -ao pcm. Not really sure how to
  directly get it to dump to a mp3 file... AFAIK it will dump to a
  avi with no video and just a audio stream for doing audio only?
 
   What I would like to do it create either a CLI script or
   tk/tcl GUI app to record some_stream at Begintime until
   Endtime. Output to /usr/local/tmp.  Most online streams
   like from NPR and BBC are archived, but not all.

Cool, yeah, just dump it to disk as pcm and convert it to what ever or
just dump it to avi.
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RE: ftp-master.FreeBSD.org

2004-09-04 Thread JJB
ftp-master.FreeBSD.org is the master FTP server where all the other
mirror FreeBSD FTP servers get their content to update with. This
master site is only accusable by ftp mirror sites. 5.3 beta3 which
is week 3 of the 5.3 beta weekly testing releases is available at
most of the normal FreeBSD mirror sites.

I get my 5.3 weekly beta version .iso files from  ftp2.FreeBSD.org


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Hi All

I am a keen freeBSD user.

I love rebuilding the kernel / upgrading looking at
where its going next...

The concepts being released in 5.3 are great including
the windows drivers hooks...


I am keen to help out where I can.

How can I get access to ftp-master.FreeBSD.org to help
with testing?

Regards

Chris

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Re: is there an 'open-source' RealPlayer?

2004-09-04 Thread kstewart
On Saturday 04 September 2004 12:17 pm, Gary Kline wrote:
 On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 01:27:45PM -0500, Vulpes Velox wrote:
  On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:52:55 +0200
 
  Miguel Mendez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 01:25:38 -0700
   Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
   Hi,
  
 Is there any open source version of the Real Audio player?
 or a translator that takes the input or ra[m] and creates
 a wav|mp3 stream?  Also,is anything is the works to create
 a (*ick*) Windoze version of their player for the Unix user?
  
   IIRC mencoder (which is part of mplayer) can do that. There's also
   this new project from Real called Helix (
   https://helixcommunity.org/ ). I know somebody is already working on
   a port. You can still use the closed source linux version of Real
   Player as well, but only for replay, no transcode AFAIK. I'd give
   mencoder a try, I've used it in the past to convert between video
   formats and it works very well.
 
  AFAIK the closed source one from real is no longer fetchable...
 
  But mplayer handles nearly all real files properly, so I don't see a
  problem with using it. The only problem I have ran into is using
  mplayer with some old episodes of Daria I have on disk in which the
  audio gets horridly out of sync. But other than those few, it has all
  ways worked nicely.

  Sounding more hopeful.  Can you please post your mplayer
  configuration?  Or give me some hints on howto replace
  realplay with mplayer with mozilla?  It would be nice to
  have FBSD versions of every tool, plug-in or otherwise.
  (Be nice to have Java plugins for mozilla, but Sun has
  its corporate head up where the sun don' shine... *sigh*)

What java plugin are you talking about?

I have a volcano in México called Popocatépetl that I follow and I need a 
javavm plugin setup for mozilla.The page used to work with mozilla and not 
konqueror but now it works with konqueror and not mozilla.

 RealPlayer8 work with both of them but works much better with mozilla. I got 
irritated with my setup while I was typing this and fixed konqueror so that 
it would default to realplay on *.ram files.

Kent



  BTW for doing audio dumps of streams, mplayer works nicely. You can
  just dump to pcm using  -ao pcm. Not really sure how to directly get
  it to dump to a mp3 file... AFAIK it will dump to a avi with no video
  and just a audio stream for doing audio only?

  What I would like to do it create either a CLI script or
  tk/tcl GUI app to record some_stream at Begintime until
  Endtime. Output to /usr/local/tmp.  Most online streams
  like from NPR and BBC are archived, but not all.

  gary

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Unable to write to CD-R

2004-09-04 Thread Mike Hauber
Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but I'm going 
cross-eyed re-reading this...  :) Just to make sure...

You are unable to burn the CD _as root_?

If you are able to burn the CD (as root), then you might 
want to take a look at sysutils/k3b/pkg-message in the 
ports tree.  It's an ATD (attention to detail) type of 
document and it has to be read carefully, but it works 
(hint...  When it makes references to other pieces of 
documentation, then be sure to read them because they are 
very much applicable).

Here's my /dev list for components involved:

$ ls -la /dev/cd* /dev/pass* /dev/xpt*
crw-rw-rw-  2 root  operator   ... /dev/cd0a
crw-rw-rw-  2 root  operator   ... /dev/cd0c
crw-rw-rw-  2 root  operator   ... /dev/cd1a
crw-rw-rw-  2 root  operator   ... /dev/cd1c
crw-rw-rw-  2 root  operator   ... /dev/cd2a
crw-rw-rw-  2 root  operator   ... /dev/cd2c
crwsrwxrwx  1 root  operator   ... /dev/pass0
crwsrwxrwx  1 root  operator   ... /dev/pass1
crwsrwxrwx  1 root  operator   ... /dev/pass2
crw-rw-rw-  1 root  operator  ... /dev/xpt0

Hope that helps...


Mike
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Mouse pointer invisible in Gnome2

2004-09-04 Thread Paul Smith
I installed 4.10 with XF86 4.3 and Gnome2 on my IBM Thinkpad 600X laptop,
which has a Neomagic video card.  I used ncurses to configure
/etc/X11/XF86Config.  Everything went fine except when I brought up Gnome
the mouse pointer was nowhere to be seen.  The mouse was working because
when I moved it icons it evidently passed across would light up.  The mouse
pointer was invisible.

On the same machine 5.2.1 freezes up when I xinit.  Control-Alt-Backspace,
Alt-F2 and all other commands known to me do nothing.  To close it I had to
unplug the power cable and remove the battery, not a preferred method to
shut down.

Red Hat 9 installs and runs perfectly (apart from the Lucent modem), and
Gnome has a mouse pointer!  An OS from Redmond which will remain Gnomeless
installs and runs perfectly. 

I really like 4.10.  How can I make the mouse pointer visible like in Red
Hat?

Paul Smith
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Re: Mouse pointer invisible in Gnome2

2004-09-04 Thread Shantanoo
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:01:09 -0700, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I installed 4.10 with XF86 4.3 and Gnome2 on my IBM Thinkpad 600X laptop,
 which has a Neomagic video card.  I used ncurses to configure
 /etc/X11/XF86Config.  Everything went fine except when I brought up Gnome
 the mouse pointer was nowhere to be seen.  The mouse was working because
 when I moved it icons it evidently passed across would light up.  The mouse
 pointer was invisible.
 
 On the same machine 5.2.1 freezes up when I xinit.  Control-Alt-Backspace,
 Alt-F2 and all other commands known to me do nothing.  To close it I had to
 unplug the power cable and remove the battery, not a preferred method to
 shut down.
 
 Red Hat 9 installs and runs perfectly (apart from the Lucent modem), and
 Gnome has a mouse pointer!  An OS from Redmond which will remain Gnomeless
 installs and runs perfectly.
 
 I really like 4.10.  How can I make the mouse pointer visible like in Red
 Hat?
 
 Paul Smith
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

run
# XFree86 -configure

Check whether you mouse is working properly or not. Then change the
corresponding section in your current working file.

Regards,
Shantanoo
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Re: is there an 'open-source' RealPlayer?

2004-09-04 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 02:56:35PM -0500, Vulpes Velox wrote:
 On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:17:02 -0700
 Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Sounding more hopeful.  Can you please post your mplayer
  configuration?  Or give me some hints on howto replace
  realplay with mplayer with mozilla?  It would be nice to
  have FBSD versions of every tool, plug-in or otherwise.
  (Be nice to have Java plugins for mozilla, but Sun has 
  its corporate head up where the sun don' shine... *sigh*)
 
 I have nothing special in my config for it.
 
 There is a mplayer plugin for mozilla in the ports.
 
 AFAIK the plugin for java comes with the java ports.


Do you mean for linux-mozilla (1.5, yes?), or the
FBSD mozilla?  Be great if I could work with the 
native ports; last time I checked, only linux-*
had the goodies.

 
   BTW for doing audio dumps of streams, mplayer works nicely. You
   can just dump to pcm using  -ao pcm. Not really sure how to
   directly get it to dump to a mp3 file... AFAIK it will dump to a
   avi with no video and just a audio stream for doing audio only?
  
  What I would like to do it create either a CLI script or
  tk/tcl GUI app to record some_stream at Begintime until
  Endtime. Output to /usr/local/tmp.  Most online streams
  like from NPR and BBC are archived, but not all.
 
 Cool, yeah, just dump it to disk as pcm and convert it to what ever or
 just dump it to avi.

I'll check it out, thanks much.

gary



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Re: is there an 'open-source' RealPlayer?

2004-09-04 Thread Vulpes Velox
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:30:29 -0700
kstewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 What java plugin are you talking about?

Should come with the java sdk.
 
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ISDN Jack Installation

2004-09-04 Thread Evan Sayer
Hello-
My new house is currently being built, and I am wondering if I should 
install an ISDN jack now so that the SBC people don't have to do it 
once the walls are up and I actually want an ISDN connection.  What do 
the people who install it have to do to get is upstairs when they 
install it, is it difficult?  How is an ISDN line added, and can I do 
it myself?  Thanks.

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questions about gcc options

2004-09-04 Thread stheg olloydson
Hello,

I decided to repost this with a less ambiguous subject.



I have  a few questions concerning optimization. I
just setup 5.2.1p9 on an athlon-xp box. I used -fmemoize-lookups and
-fsave-memoized options but I got this when doing a make buildworld:

cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option -fmemoize-lookups
cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option -fsave-memoized
*** Error code 1

I checked the gcc 3.3.3 manual for info (because they worked under
3.2.2) and couldn't find any mention of them. Googling took me to
numerous sites that had the same gcc manpage (unknown version) that
said:

-fmemoize-lookups 
-fsave-memoized 
Use heuristics to compile faster. These heuristics are not enabled by
default, since they are only effective for certain input files. Other
input files compile more slowly.

The gcc-1750 support site goes even further and adds:

The code that implements these flags has rotted; you should probably
avoid using them.

OK, that's fine. Does that mean beginning with versions of gcc 3.2.2
(at least) these options are deprecated? I don't find anything about
this in UPDATING, and they still appear in
/usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf

Also, concerning the -mmmx, -m3dnow, and -msse options, I read
somewhere
(bsdforum.org?) that cputype?=athlon-xp implies those three options,
but I couldn't find a mention of it in the gcc 3.3.3 manual (doesn't
mean it's not there). Is this true, or should they be explicit?
Finally, what optimizations are people using on their production 5.2.1
boxen? -mfpmath=sse looks interesting, but is it safe? The manual says:

The resulting code should be considerably faster in the majority of
cases and avoid the numerical instability problems of 387 code, but
may break some existing code that expects temporaries to be 80bit. 
This is the default choice for the x86-64 compiler. 

Not being a c/c++ person, I appreciate any help in the matter.

Regards,

Stheg


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Re: ISDN Jack Installation

2004-09-04 Thread Jerry McAllister
 
 Hello-
 My new house is currently being built, and I am wondering if I should 
 install an ISDN jack now so that the SBC people don't have to do it 
 once the walls are up and I actually want an ISDN connection.  What do 
 the people who install it have to do to get is upstairs when they 
 install it, is it difficult?  How is an ISDN line added, and can I do 
 it myself?  Thanks.

Will DSL be available where your house is?
That might be better.  It is faster.

Of course you might want ISDN for phone line purposes.

jerry

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Re: is there an 'open-source' RealPlayer?

2004-09-04 Thread Vulpes Velox
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:27:19 -0700
Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 02:56:35PM -0500, Vulpes Velox wrote:
  On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:17:02 -0700
  Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 Sounding more hopeful.  Can you please post your mplayer
 configuration?  Or give me some hints on howto replace
 realplay with mplayer with mozilla?  It would be nice to
 have FBSD versions of every tool, plug-in or otherwise.
 (Be nice to have Java plugins for mozilla, but Sun has 
 its corporate head up where the sun don' shine... *sigh*)
  
  I have nothing special in my config for it.
  
  There is a mplayer plugin for mozilla in the ports.
  
  AFAIK the plugin for java comes with the java ports.
 
 
   Do you mean for linux-mozilla (1.5, yes?), or the
   FBSD mozilla?  Be great if I could work with the 
   native ports; last time I checked, only linux-*
   had the goodies.

Not really messed with it, but what about the native JDK, btw there is
also a plugin wrapper.
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Re: ISDN Jack Installation

2004-09-04 Thread stheg olloydson
it was said:

My new house is currently being built, and I am wondering if I should 
install an ISDN jack now so that the SBC people don't have to do it 
once the walls are up and I actually want an ISDN connection.  What do

the people who install it have to do to get is upstairs when they 
install it, is it difficult?  How is an ISDN line added, and can I do 
it myself?  Thanks.

Hello,

ISDN isn't DSL. You can't run it on the same wire your phone service
and use filters to allow their simultaneous use. But installing it
yourself is very easy. All you need is a Cat3 (standard telco) cable
run from the NID (network interface device - where the phone lines come
in the house) to where ever you want the ISDN service. The telco hooks
the wires (single pair) together at the NID, tells you which colors to
use at the receptacle, and you just saved yourself US$100-$300.

HTH,

Stheg




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Re: ISDN Jack Installation

2004-09-04 Thread Donald J. O'Neill
You don't want ISDN. A single ISDN line is only 64K and if you don't 
use a separate line for the ISDN, you interrupt your normal phone 
service. To get faster ISDN, you have to put in two lines at X$ per 
month. If you later switch to DSL and want to use your ISDN line(s) 
for that, you're still paying for an extra line (in my case I was 
paying for two ISDN lines). If you use DSL, you can use your 
regular phone line, have a full time connection and not disrupt 
your regular telephone, requires filters to be plugged in on all 
the regular phone jacks in use. Skip the ISDN and go straight for 
DSL. The other option is cable. Do not use satelite, you still have 
to use the phone line (read that as install another line or 
interrupt what you have) for uploading.

Don't do it.

Donald J. O'Neill
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On Saturday 04 September 2004 04:53 pm, Evan Sayer wrote:
 Hello-
 My new house is currently being built, and I am wondering if I
 should install an ISDN jack now so that the SBC people don't have
 to do it once the walls are up and I actually want an ISDN
 connection.  What do the people who install it have to do to get
 is upstairs when they install it, is it difficult?  How is an
 ISDN line added, and can I do it myself?  Thanks.


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Re: Better way to get interface assigned to default route?

2004-09-04 Thread Remko Lodder
Hi,
Markie forgot, and forwared this to the list, i forgot and didn't notice 
 it until now that it also had been sent to the list by Markie. So, i 
will 'reply' this message to the Questions list as well just to keep you 
guys and the archive updated.

Cheers!

Remko Lodder wrote:
Markie wrote:
Suggesting I do `dhclient fxp1`? That's exactly my problem though :-) 
That
uses /sbin/dhclient-script to do all of it's work, right? dhclient-script
tries to figure out the interface... or something to do with a default
route by doing that netstat -rn command.

dhclient-script snippet...

if [ x$alias_subnet_mask != x ]; then
  alias_subnet_arg=netmask $alias_subnet_mask
fi
# Get the interface to which our default route is bound to.
if [ -x /usr/bin/netstat ]; then
   if_defaultroute=`/usr/bin/netstat -rn \
   | /usr/bin/grep ^default \
   | /usr/bin/awk '{print $6}'`
else
if_defaultroute=x
fi
if [ x$reason = xMEDIUM ]; then
  eval ifconfig $interface $medium
  eval ifconfig $interface inet -alias 0.0.0.0 $medium /dev/null 21
  sleep 1
  exit_with_hooks 0
fi
---
See it? Basically I am after some sort of command that might be able 
to get
the interface with the default route assigned but quicker than netstat 
-rn
since I have alot of routing table entries. Like I said, if there's no
other way I will just have to fix it so it's if_defaultroute = fxp1.

I've already had to make some changes to the script to get it to work 
with
my modem anyway so it won't hurt me :-) I was just wondering if there was
any other nice way of doing it so that say if I changed the internet
interface to a vx card I wouldn't have to try and remember to change that
to vx0 (I _will_ forget I made the change :-)

Well, how come there is a default route if you use dhcp afterwards? my 
default route is delivered through dhcp.. so i cannot reside on a 
default entry because i dont have any... That's why i think that the 
default grep is a little bit weird actually, since most hosts dont have 
any routes at all at that point in time and then start dhclient iface

And to be  more exact:
in /etc/rc.conf i have
ifconfig_em0=DHCP which starts ``dhclient em0'' for me... i never used 
dhclient-script, and didn't read it carefully yet to understand it.

Perhaps this explains a bit...
or i just dont get the question yet { have a long weekend, tired etc ;) }
Cheers dude!

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Re: gbde blackening feature - how can on disk keys be destroyed thoroughly?

2004-09-04 Thread David Kreil

Dear Poul-Henning,

Thank you very much for your comments!

 From what I can see so far, they are simply overwritten with zeros - is
 that 
 right? If so, the blackening feature would be much weakend, as one can read 
 up to 20 layers of data even under random data (and more under zeros).
 I would 
 be most grateful for comments, or suggestions of where/how one could extend 
 the code to do a secure wipe of the key areas. Also, I know practically
 nothing 
 of how I could to best get FreeBSD to physically write to disk 
 (configurability of hardware cache etc permitting).
 
 On a modern disk there is no sequence of writes that will guarantee
 you that your data is iretriveable lost.
 Even if you rewrite a thousand times, you cannot guard yourself against
 the sector being replaced by a bad block spare after the first write.

Good point. In the rare chance event that this happens, it would indeed be bad 
news as an attacker would then only have to scan the bad blocks for possible 
copies of the key.

 If your threat-analysis indicates this is a serious threat for you,
 you should arrange for simple physical destruction of your disk to
 be available.
 
 Most modern disks have one or more holes in the metal only covered
 by a metalic sticker.  Pouring sulfuric acid through those openings
 is a good start.

Hmm... to me, the main benefit of the blackening feature would seem to be the 
possibility of compliance with a court directive without disclosing confidential data. 
With multiple key holders, any particular person can maintain that they have done all 
they could to comply. Not only is the optics of having your disks are found in vats of 
sulfuric acid rather bad, it's also more unlikely that a moment of opportunity 
arises.

A simple improvement on the present situation would already be if the keys were not 
overwritten with zeros but with random bits. I don't know how difficult it would be to 
attempt to physically write random bits multiple times but it would much strengthen 
the feature apart from the rare cases when the sectors of the masterkey have been 
remapped into bad blocks.

As rightly pointed out in the manpages, the better the encryption gets, the more 
likely are attacks via other routes. Reading a few layers of the current masterkey 
location + all bad blocks with an MFM should cost no more than a few thousand $.

What do you think? Is the required effort disproportional to the intended value of the 
blackening feature?

With many thanks again for your help

and best regards,

David.



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Re: CDRW trouble

2004-09-04 Thread BSDjunkie
I know that  you are using burncd...but I've always
had more luck with cdrecord myselfeven though I
don't have a scsi driver adding atapicam to the kernel
works nicely.

Maybe you're trying to burn too fast?

I always have better luck at slower speedsnever
burn (or try to burn) at 52x when you have a 52x cdrw
drive...some older cdroms can't read cd's that are
burnt at fast speeds.

I usually use the slowest speed, but that's just me.

Sorry I'm not much help with burncd.

Mark

--- Matt Juszczak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello everyone,
 
 Having some trouble with my cdrw ...
 
 deputy# burncd -f /dev/acd0c -s 1 data
 /home/matt/devel/monodevel/cd.iso fixate
 next writeable LBA 0
 writing from file /home/matt/devel/monodevel/cd.iso
 size 12064 KB
 
 only wrote -1 of 32768 bytes err=5
 
 fixating CD, please wait..
 burncd: ioctl(CDRIOCFIXATE): Input/output error
 deputy# 
 
 Might also want to see http://paste.atopia.net/58
 
 Console displays WRITE_BIG and CLOSE_TRAC/SESSION
 errors using burncd.
 
 I've tried changing:
 
   -CD RW drive
   -CD RW Media
   -Hardware (got an entirely new machine in here)
   -cables
 
 The only thing I havben't changed is the hard drive
 (haven't tried a new install of
 bsd or a different OS).
 
 Running 4.10-RELEASE.  Any ideas?  Thanks!
 
 -Matt
 
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Re: FreeBSD on external Hard Disk

2004-09-04 Thread BSDjunkie
In my humble opinion:

I'd try FreeBSD anyday over Fedora...

Though I do love GNU/Linux and will always have a good
opinion of it.

Redhat distros are not my favorite. I'd much prefer
Slackware or Debian.

But that's just me...

Mark


--- Subhro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The installation to external hard disk is exactly
 the same as if you
 had another internal drive. Only the external Hard
 disk will show up
 as da0 and you need to keep an eye on which drive
 you are
 partitioning. Select to install the Boot Manager in
 the MBR when
 sysinstall asks for it. alternative you can use a
 third party boot
 manager like grub but it is not at all recommended.
 Refer to the
 handbook for the nitty gritty details about how to
 go on with the
 installation.
 
 Regards
 S.
 
 On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:42:19 +0100, Olivier Renard
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello,
  
  I am new to FreeBSD, hence this question regarding
 the installation of
  FreeBSD 5.2.1 on an
  external hard disk. I was considering buying a
 Maxtor One-Touch (USB and
  FireWire, 80GB) to install FreeBSD 5.2.1 on it. I
 already have Windows XP
  Pro and
  Fedora Core 2 installed on an Acer TravelMate 803
 CLi (with Intel Centrino
  chip) laptop, but to make things cleaner, I think
 it is better to install
  FreeBSD on an external hard disk and to update the
 MBR on the TravelMate so
  as to be able
  to boot FreeBSD on the external drive.
  
  I have searched the mailing lists on FreeBSD and
 searched Google, but there
  does not seem to be any information on such a
 set-up. If anyone has any
  exprerience installing FreeBSD 5.2.1 on an
 external hard disk (particulary
  the
  Maxtor HD mentioned above), your help and advice
 would be immensely
  appreciated.
  
  Thank you very much
  
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Re: Better way to get interface assigned to default route?

2004-09-04 Thread Markie

- Original Message -
From: Remko Lodder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Markie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: Better way to get interface assigned to default route?


| Markie wrote:
|
|  Suggesting I do `dhclient fxp1`? That's exactly my problem though :-)
That
|  uses /sbin/dhclient-script to do all of it's work, right?
dhclient-script
|  tries to figure out the interface... or something to do with a default
|  route by doing that netstat -rn command.
| 
|  dhclient-script snippet...
|  
|  if [ x$alias_subnet_mask != x ]; then
|alias_subnet_arg=netmask $alias_subnet_mask
|  fi
| 
|  # Get the interface to which our default route is bound to.
|  if [ -x /usr/bin/netstat ]; then
| if_defaultroute=`/usr/bin/netstat -rn \
| | /usr/bin/grep ^default \
| | /usr/bin/awk '{print $6}'`
|  else
|  if_defaultroute=x
|  fi
| 
|  if [ x$reason = xMEDIUM ]; then
|eval ifconfig $interface $medium
|eval ifconfig $interface inet -alias 0.0.0.0 $medium /dev/null
21
|sleep 1
|exit_with_hooks 0
|  fi
|  ---
| 
|  See it? Basically I am after some sort of command that might be able to
get
|  the interface with the default route assigned but quicker than
netstat -rn
|  since I have alot of routing table entries. Like I said, if there's no
|  other way I will just have to fix it so it's if_defaultroute = fxp1.
| 
|  I've already had to make some changes to the script to get it to work
with
|  my modem anyway so it won't hurt me :-) I was just wondering if there
was
|  any other nice way of doing it so that say if I changed the internet
|  interface to a vx card I wouldn't have to try and remember to change
that
|  to vx0 (I _will_ forget I made the change :-)
| 
|

Hi Remko :-)

| Well, how come there is a default route if you use dhcp afterwards? my
| default route is delivered through dhcp.. so i cannot reside on a
| default entry because i dont have any... That's why i think that the
| default grep is a little bit weird actually, since most hosts dont have
| any routes at all at that point in time and then start dhclient iface
|

I'm no expert on it all, but... the command is in the code and it's
certainly executing that command :-) I see it in top taking up alot of CPU
time every few minutes! I imagine it's doing it every few minutes because
my modem likes to send dhcp updates frequently, so if my connection drops
or ip changes I don't have to wait an hour... day...however long for the
interface to be updated.

| And to be  more exact:
|
| in /etc/rc.conf i have
| ifconfig_em0=DHCP which starts ``dhclient em0'' for me... i never used
| dhclient-script, and didn't read it carefully yet to understand it.
|

Yeah, I have ifconfig_fxp1=DHCP :-) dhclient uses dhclient-script to do
all of it's work, I guess you could call dhclient a wrapper of sorts?

Like I said, I had to make some changes to this script, although I have
never execute it directly, to stop FreeBSD from locking up on an IP address
change and to actually even get it to be able to communicate with my modem
(ADSLNation X-Modem CE), something along the lines of deleting the default
route straight after it had added it, and then readding it; don't ask me
why this solved the problem but it did! If anyone is interested in that I
can mail the changes I made and describe my setup or something. Infact, to
back that up further here's a snippet from the dhclient-script man page :-D

-
dhclient-script(8)
dhclient-script(8)

NAME
   dhclient-script - DHCP client network configuration script

DESCRIPTION
   The  DHCP  client  network configuration script is invoked from time
to
   time by dhclient(8).
-

I guess you probably just don't notice because you have a fast machine and
not many routing table entries?

| Perhaps this explains a bit...
|
| or i just dont get the question yet { have a long weekend, tired etc ;) }

:-) No worries, I am very grateful for your reply!

|
| Cheers dude!
|
| --
| Kind regards,
|
| Remko Lodder   |[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: USERS CAN'T GMAKE

2004-09-04 Thread Subhro
Looks to me as if its a gofed up directory permission.

Regards
S.


On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 19:40:36 +, Cihan Çulha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Environment
 FreeBSD server.deneyim.net 5.2.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Feb
 23 20:45:55 GMT 2004
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386
 
 Description
 In my server my users can't gmake in their accounts the irc services ex:
 ircservices,anope,epona... When a user wrote gmake.The system send to
 bash$ gmake
 gmake -C lang index
 gmake: getcwd: : Permission denied
 gmake[1]: getcwd: : Permission denied
 gmake[1]: Entering an unknown directorygmake[1]: `index' is up to date.
 gmake[1]: Leaving an unknown directorygmake: getcwd: : Permission denied
 gmake[1]: getcwd: : Permission denied
 gmake[1]: Entering an unknown directorygmake: getcwd: : Permission denied
 gmake[2]: getcwd: : Permission denied
 gmake[2]: Entering an unknown directorygmake: getcwd: : Permission denied
 gmake: getcwd: : Permission denied
 vsvs.
  How can i fix it? When i enter the user's account by root(su) I can
 gmake.But the users can't.Please help me.Thank you.
 
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File system replication between servers

2004-09-04 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Does anyone know of any software that will run on FreeBSD that would allow 
you to keep two servers in sync?  All writes to /dir1 on server1 would go 
to /dir1 on server2, and all writes to /dir2 on server2 would go to /dir2 
on server1?

I've thought about rsync, but am trying to get it as close to real time as 
I can, and on large file systems, rsync would just get too far behind, too 
quickly ...

I've started to look at Coda6, but so far what I'm reading through the 
docs makes it sound like it may not be suitable ...

What I'm looking for is a hot failover solution using FreeBSD ... if 
server1 goes down, server2 can start up and continue working ... when 
server1 comes back up again, changes to server2 could be re-sync'd back to 
server1, and server1 could once more resume its duties ...

Thanks ...

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Re: File system replication between servers

2004-09-04 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Sep 04), Marc G. Fournier said:
 Does anyone know of any software that will run on FreeBSD that would
 allow you to keep two servers in sync?  All writes to /dir1 on
 server1 would go to /dir1 on server2, and all writes to /dir2 on
 server2 would go to /dir2 on server1?
 
 I've thought about rsync, but am trying to get it as close to real
 time as I can, and on large file systems, rsync would just get too
 far behind, too quickly ...
 
 I've started to look at Coda6, but so far what I'm reading through
 the docs makes it sound like it may not be suitable ...
 
 What I'm looking for is a hot failover solution using FreeBSD ... if
 server1 goes down, server2 can start up and continue working ... when
 server1 comes back up again, changes to server2 could be re-sync'd
 back to server1, and server1 could once more resume its duties ...

How about a shared SCSI drive, filesystems only mounted on the master. 
When the master fails, the slave fscks the filesystems, mounts them,
and becomes the master.  Tried and true.  You could even use background
fsck and get immediate failover.

You could even do it without shared storage if you use geom_gate and
geom_{mirror,vinum,ccd} to keep two identical disks on each machine in
sync. When the master crashes and comes back up as a slave, the mirror
code will update its disks.

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Re: ntpd as broadcastclient - not working?

2004-09-04 Thread Danny Mayer
At 04:59 AM 9/3/2004, W. D. wrote:
Well folks,
I got it working--sorta.
You message shows that you are not running broadcast.
This page has to have the date stuff on
the left side edited out: http://tinyurl.com/72c69
The result is then substituted for /libisc/ifiter_ioctl.c, and
then the whole thing is rebuilt.
More properly you could just have used the latest version of the tarball
that you had.

The time only seems to be set if I use in /etc/ntp.conf:
broadcastclient
  rather than:
broadcastclient 192.168.2.255
This is illegal. There are no additional parameters to broadcastclient.
except for novolley. If you didn't get an error message about that then
that's a bug.

Also, Tardis must be set to send NTP broadcasts
to the FreeBSD box's IP address:
192.168.2.177
Again that's not a broadcast address. That's the IP address of that one
machine.  The address you put in broadcastclient is what should have
been put into the tardis configuration.

Here is the output from ifconfig -a:
dc0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
inet6 fe80::2a0:ccff:fe50:e7c7%dc0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1
inet 192.168.2.177 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.2.255
ether 00:a0:cc:50:e7:c7
media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex)
status: active
lp0: flags=8810POINTOPOINT,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 16384
inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128
inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3
inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00
ppp0: flags=8010POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST mtu 1500
sl0: flags=c010POINTOPOINT,LINK2,MULTICAST mtu 552
faith0: flags=8002BROADCAST,MULTICAST mtu 1500
Here is what is logged in ntpd.log:
 3 Sep 03:29:32 ntpd[88]: logging to file /var/log/ntpd.log
 3 Sep 03:29:32 ntpd[88]: ntpd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Sep  2 21:37:09 GMT
2004 (1)
 3 Sep 03:29:32 ntpd[88]: precision = 4.191 usec
 3 Sep 03:29:32 ntpd[88]: Listening on interface dc0,
fe80:1::2a0:ccff:fe50:e7c7#123
 3 Sep 03:29:32 ntpd[88]: Listening on interface dc0, 192.168.2.177#123
 3 Sep 03:29:32 ntpd[88]: Listening on interface lo0, ::1#123
 3 Sep 03:29:32 ntpd[88]: Listening on interface lo0, fe80:3::1#123
 3 Sep 03:29:32 ntpd[88]: Listening on interface lo0, 127.0.0.1#123
 3 Sep 03:29:32 ntpd[88]: kernel time sync status 2040
 3 Sep 03:29:32 ntpd[88]: frequency initialized -0.094 PPM from
/etc/ntp.drift
 3 Sep 03:29:32 ntpd[88]: Unable to listen for broadcasts, no broadcast
interfaces available
This shows that you are not getting any broadcasts since it can't configure
a socket for broadcast. So you don't have the fix in place.
 3 Sep 03:29:41 ntpd[88]: synchronized to 192.168.2.119, stratum 2
 3 Sep 03:29:34 ntpd[88]: time reset -6.102537 s
 3 Sep 03:29:34 ntpd[88]: kernel time sync disabled 2041
 3 Sep 03:29:42 ntpd[88]: synchronized to 192.168.2.119, stratum 2
 3 Sep 03:29:52 ntpd[88]: kernel time sync enabled 2001
 3 Sep 03:30:15 ntpd[88]: no servers reachable
This tells you that it's not getting any packets from any server you listed
in ntp.conf.

Here is the output from ntpdc monlist:
remote address  port local address  count m ver code avgint
lstint
===
localhost   1041 ::15 7 2  0
34   0
192.168.2.119123 192.168.2.177132 5 3  0
3   3
Which is not broadcast.

How can I get the FreeBSD box to listen on 192.168.2.255?
I told you repeatedly.
How would I know when it hears an NTP broadcast?
You would see it in the log that it's enabled for broadcast.
ntpq -p should show it.
Does ntpd adjust for drift against the realtime clock, and
then use this if the broadcasts stop for some reason?
If nothing is available it just leaves things where they are.

Any other glaring errors here?
Too many. See above.
Danny
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Re: File system replication between servers

2004-09-04 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, Dan Nelson wrote:
In the last episode (Sep 04), Marc G. Fournier said:
Does anyone know of any software that will run on FreeBSD that would
allow you to keep two servers in sync?  All writes to /dir1 on
server1 would go to /dir1 on server2, and all writes to /dir2 on
server2 would go to /dir2 on server1?
I've thought about rsync, but am trying to get it as close to real
time as I can, and on large file systems, rsync would just get too
far behind, too quickly ...
I've started to look at Coda6, but so far what I'm reading through
the docs makes it sound like it may not be suitable ...
What I'm looking for is a hot failover solution using FreeBSD ... if
server1 goes down, server2 can start up and continue working ... when
server1 comes back up again, changes to server2 could be re-sync'd
back to server1, and server1 could once more resume its duties ...
How about a shared SCSI drive, filesystems only mounted on the master.
When the master fails, the slave fscks the filesystems, mounts them,
and becomes the master.  Tried and true.  You could even use background
fsck and get immediate failover.
need to do this above the hardware layer ... am looking at 50% of services 
running on each of 2 servers, with failover to 100% running on one of the 
servers if the other goes down ...

reading through coda's docs, I think I can do it using that, just curious 
if there is a simpler setup that could be used ...

You could even do it without shared storage if you use geom_gate and
geom_{mirror,vinum,ccd} to keep two identical disks on each machine in
sync. When the master crashes and comes back up as a slave, the mirror
code will update its disks.
what is geom_gate?  checked 'man geom_gate' on my 5.x machine, and nothing 
shows up ...


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Re: is there an 'open-source' RealPlayer?

2004-09-04 Thread kstewart
On Saturday 04 September 2004 02:43 pm, Gary Kline wrote:
 On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 01:30:29PM -0700, kstewart wrote:
  On Saturday 04 September 2004 12:17 pm, Gary Kline wrote:
   On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 01:27:45PM -0500, Vulpes Velox wrote:
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:52:55 +0200
  
Sounding more hopeful.  Can you please post your mplayer
configuration?  Or give me some hints on howto replace
realplay with mplayer with mozilla?  It would be nice to
have FBSD versions of every tool, plug-in or otherwise.
(Be nice to have Java plugins for mozilla, but Sun has
its corporate head up where the sun don' shine... *sigh*)
 
  What java plugin are you talking about?

  Not a plugin but whatever jdk-* supports java in its
  many uses.  javascript and whatever else.  On my laptop
  I have netscape7 which appears to come with everything
  pre-built and -installed.  Given my druthers, I rather
  use mozilla.

I have java running in mozilla. Did you also install 
linuxpluginwrapper-20040831 and follow the instructions?


  I have a volcano in México called Popocatépetl that I follow and I need a
  javavm plugin setup for mozilla.The page used to work with mozilla and
  not konqueror but now it works with konqueror and not mozilla.
 
   RealPlayer8 work with both of them but works much better with mozilla. I
  got irritated with my setup while I was typing this and fixed konqueror
  so that it would default to realplay on *.ram files.

  Have you used links -g?  I finally figured out howto get both
  realplay and xmms|zink to work with this browser.  Happened to
  discover that Real does play mp3's.  Works with Shoutcast.

Will have to look into this.


  Next step is to see if I can get mplayer going.




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Re: File system replication between servers

2004-09-04 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Sep 04), Marc G. Fournier said:
 On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, Dan Nelson wrote:
  You could even do it without shared storage if you use geom_gate
  and geom_{mirror,vinum,ccd} to keep two identical disks on each
  machine in sync. When the master crashes and comes back up as a
  slave, the mirror code will update its disks.
 
 what is geom_gate?  checked 'man geom_gate' on my 5.x machine, and
 nothing shows up ...

The geom layer is not very well-documented, but geom_gate's manpages
are at ggatec, ggated, and ggatel.

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Re: File system replication between servers

2004-09-04 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Sep 04), Marc G. Fournier said:
 On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, Dan Nelson wrote:
  How about a shared SCSI drive, filesystems only mounted on the
  master. When the master fails, the slave fscks the filesystems,
  mounts them, and becomes the master.  Tried and true.  You could
  even use background fsck and get immediate failover.
 
 need to do this above the hardware layer ... am looking at 50% of
 services running on each of 2 servers, with failover to 100% running
 on one of the servers if the other goes down ...

Since FreeBSD doesn't lock SCSI devices afaik, you should be able to
mount separate filesystems on different machines with no problems.

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Re: is there an 'open-source' RealPlayer?

2004-09-04 Thread kstewart
On Saturday 04 September 2004 07:43 pm, kstewart wrote:

   What java plugin are you talking about?
 
   Not a plugin but whatever jdk-* supports java in its
   many uses.  javascript and whatever else.  On my laptop
   I have netscape7 which appears to come with everything
   pre-built and -installed.  Given my druthers, I rather
   use mozilla.

 I have java running in mozilla. Did you also install
 linuxpluginwrapper-20040831 and follow the instructions?

Never mind. I went back to a place that always worked with mozilla and it 
doesn't now. If you choose help and about plugins, the java stuff shows up 
but it isn't working

Kent


   I have a volcano in México called Popocatépetl that I follow and I need
   a javavm plugin setup for mozilla.The page used to work with mozilla
   and not konqueror but now it works with konqueror and not mozilla.
  
RealPlayer8 work with both of them but works much better with mozilla.
   I got irritated with my setup while I was typing this and fixed
   konqueror so that it would default to realplay on *.ram files.
 
   Have you used links -g?  I finally figured out howto get both
   realplay and xmms|zink to work with this browser.  Happened to
   discover that Real does play mp3's.  Works with Shoutcast.

 Will have to look into this.

   Next step is to see if I can get mplayer going.

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Re: [Re: Unable to write to CD-R]

2004-09-04 Thread Norm Vilmer
Richard Lynch wrote:
cdrecord -scanbus
Cdrecord 2.00.3 (I386 .
cdrecord: Operation not permitted. Error opening /dev/pass0 Cam error
'camreal_
opendevice: coundn't open passthr. Cannot open SCSI driver.

I dunno about all this other stuff, but to me, *THIS* looks like you don't
have the IDE-SCSI module installed.
The IDE-SCSI module fools the OS into believing your IDE CDRW device is
really a SCSI device.
Without that, cdrecord can't work, since it works through the SCSI interface.
Under RedHat, you would find/download/install the ide-scsi software, and
then do insmod ide-scsi
You might also need to make some devices /dev/pg0 etc -- It's all in an
FAQ somewheres for cdrecord.
I gather from my minimal experience with FreeBSD that you'd be doing
something more like pkgload (?) but the principle remains the same:  You
need a module to fool the OS into believing your CD/DVD burner is SCSI
when it's not, or cdrecord simply won't talk to it.

cd0: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R6112 1031 Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device

This, however, indicates that it *IS* a SCSI device...
And its number is 0
In which case, I would start with:
cdrecord dev=0,0,0 -data whatever.iso

TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R6112 1031	at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (pass0, cd0)

Whoops!
Also try:
cdrecord dev=1,0,0 -data whatever.iso
as it seems to be on bus 1.
Do all of this as 'root'  If you can get it to work as root, then evaluate
how badly you need it to work for other users, and what holes you open
up to do so.
I am logged in as root. Tried cdrecord dev=1,0,0 -data (it is on bus 1)
but I get the same error message. Also, tried setting the permissions
on acd* cd* xpt* pass* devices in /dev. No change. I really get this
feeling the OS thinks it is a read-only drive.
When FreeBSD is installed, it gets some information from the BIOS.
Lots of important stuff like the geometry of your hard drive, etc.
If the BIOS is reporting this wrong or not the same way FreeBSD
see a device, things can break. Is there a flag somewhere I can
flip so that the OS know it can write to this device (the DVD-RW)?
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RE: ISDN Jack Installation

2004-09-04 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 4:39 PM
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 Subject: Re: ISDN Jack Installation


 Donald J. O'Neill wrote:
  month. If you later switch to DSL and want to use your ISDN line(s)
  for that, you're still paying for an extra line (in my case I was
  paying for two ISDN lines). If you use DSL, you can use your

 As a guy who has not one, not two, but THREE (3) defunct (or never worked)
 DSL lines to his apartment, I gotta say go cable modem

 Cable TV companies have a broad customer base, with a stable steady income
 to weather them through

weather them through what?  You mean, weather them through the times that
all their Internet subscribers get sick of their crap and pull their
Internet
service?

Cable companies have little interest in Internet because they make the bulk
of their
money off selling tv content, payperview, and porno channels.  The Internet
connectivity is just a way they can get a cable line into your house and get
your name so they can pitch their higher margin tv programming to you.

Cable companies are monopolists who have the tv content regulated by local
governments, as it should be.  But the Internet content, although it's a
monopoly too, they have managed to wiggle out of getting regulated.

As a regulated monopoly a cable company can never lose money.  But, just
because they cannot lose money doesen't mean they are rolling their profits
back into infrastructure investment in their networks.  There is no
guarentee
that any part of this stable steady income is ever going to fund any
Internet
infrastructure investment in a cable company.  There might be if Internet
under cable was regulated, but it's not.

 -- The odds on cable TV suddenly not being
 available at your location in anything but truly rural or even remote
 areas is nil.


Same is true of DSL.

 DSL?  Fah.  You're lucky if the company you call today for a price quote
 is still around in 12 months.


Of course, there are some drawbacks to Cable such as you don't generally
get a static IP number.  DSL providers by contrast usually have them
available,
save the garbage grade ilec isp's.

Also, look at the acceptable use for cable, servers of any kind are
prohibited.

Just because you were burned several years ago doesen't mean the DSL market
is still the same.  Northpoint and Rhythms both went bankrupt, but Covad is
still running, and ILEC dsl is perking along fine.

Sure there are some smaller ISP's who were provisioning over ilec DSL who
gave it up after they couldn't make money on it.  But they are all out of
the market now, and the people left in the DSL market are there for the
long haul.

And sure, there's some areas that DSL cannot reach, and that cable can.
I also know of areas that cable cannot reach that DSL can.

In most major markets you can count on at least two regional ISP's who
are provisioning over ILEC dsl, you can count on MSN and maybe one other
national ISP also provisioning over ILEC dsl, and the ilecs of course
themselves have their own ISPs that provision over ilec dsl, and to top it
off you can also count on att/earthlink/mindspring provisioning over
covad DSL.  And today, covad is radsl over voice, they don't require a
separate phone line anymore.

By contrast with the cable companies you can count on 1 monopoly ISP and
if you don't like the way they run their network, you can go to hell.

Ted

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RE: ftp-master.FreeBSD.org

2004-09-04 Thread Chris Ryan
 --- JJB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 ftp-master.FreeBSD.org is the master FTP server
 where all the other
 mirror FreeBSD FTP servers get their content to
 update with.


oh ok - not what i meant...

 This
 master site is only accusable by ftp mirror sites.
 5.3 beta3 which
 is week 3 of the 5.3 beta weekly testing releases is
 available at
 most of the normal FreeBSD mirror sites.


ok cool

that is what I am talking about :)

 
 I get my 5.3 weekly beta version .iso files from 
 ftp2.FreeBSD.org
 


Thanks again

Chris



 
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 Behalf Of Chris Ryan
 Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:54 PM
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 Subject: ftp-master.FreeBSD.org
 
 
 Hi All
 
 I am a keen freeBSD user.
 
 I love rebuilding the kernel / upgrading looking at
 where its going next...
 
 The concepts being released in 5.3 are great
 including
 the windows drivers hooks...
 
 
 I am keen to help out where I can.
 
 How can I get access to ftp-master.FreeBSD.org to
 help
 with testing?
 
 Regards
 
 Chris
 
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