Re: Using 2M/4M pages
Looking at the kernel sources, I see some definitions for large page sizes in the sun/sparc64 files, but not for any other architectures. Richard On Fri, 9 Nov 2007, Richard Andrades wrote: Hello, Does anyone know if there is support for using the large page sizes with the x86 CPUs? Thanks, Richard ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Beastie 3D-rendered
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:50:40 + Tino Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tilolit.de/images/tb/wallpapers/teufel.jpg [snip] Nevertheless I can check out the author (he is german, too) and ask him about the license issues... It would be *really* great if the author not only agreed to put the rendering under a permissive license, but also considered releasing and licensing the (graphics/povray?) source code too. I'd love to experiment a little bit with that! ;) Anyway, whatever comes out of it, kudos for the great find! :-))) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Beastie 3D-rendered
cpghost wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:50:40 + Tino Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tilolit.de/images/tb/wallpapers/teufel.jpg [snip] Nevertheless I can check out the author (he is german, too) and ask him about the license issues... It would be *really* great if the author not only agreed to put the rendering under a permissive license, but also considered releasing and licensing the (graphics/povray?) source code too. I'd love to experiment a little bit with that! ;) Anyway, whatever comes out of it, kudos for the great find! :-))) Amen to that! I just would like to put it on my desktop/use it legally! Seriously, if someone here can gain the free rights to it and pass it along, then we all can say 'yay beastie!'. /* will keep hidden on desktop * until told not to. * Would be nice if someone says * that we can use it!!! */ Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
On Sunday 11 November 2007, Olivier Nicole said: I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ That is a difficult issue, while this is an opportunity, I doubt this is the most needed thing to provide education. We are talking giving laptop to people who do not even have electricity in some cases... Olivier From what I've been reading they are addressing this issue. One way was providing solar power recharging stations. The other was hooking up carousel type playground equipment to a small generator to recharge the laptops. The third was good old WWII vintage hand crank power. I also read that these laptops are optimized for low power usage. I live in Alaska and they have been using the internet for education in rural villiages for many years with much success. I personally think this is a great idea. Too bad they won't all be running FreeBSD :-) -- --- Beech Rintoul - FreeBSD Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | FreeBSD Since 4.x \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | http://www.freebsd.org X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Latest Release: / \ - http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/6.2R/announce.html --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problems with building a patch
El día Sunday, November 11, 2007 a las 07:17:55PM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas escribió: Hmm... Looks like a unified diff to me... The text leading up to this was: -- |diff -N -r -u -X exclude nn-6.7.3/PATCH.RFC1522 nn-6.7.3.patched/PATCH.RFC1522 |--- nn-6.7.3/PATCH.RFC1522 Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970 |+++ nn-6.7.3.patched/PATCH.RFC1522 Sat Nov 10 11:04:58 2007 -- Here's the problem. The patch files for ports should *not* include the `nn-6.7.3' part, like this one. They should be relative to the toplevel directory of the unzipped/untarred port, i.e.: diff -N -u PATCH.RFC1522.orig PATCH.RFC1522 --- PATCH.RFC1522.orig Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970 +++ PATCH.RFC1522 Sat Nov 10 11:04:58 2007 In this case what would be the best way to produce a recursive patch file for this set of patched sources: $ find . -name '*.orig' -print ./conf/s-linux.h.orig ./man/nn.1.nov.orig ./chset.c.orig ./aux.sh.orig ./answer.c.orig ./chset.h.orig ./news.c.orig ./xmakefile.orig ./db.c.orig ./global.c.orig ./global.h.orig ./more.c.orig ./news.h.orig ./pack_name.c.orig ./save.c.orig ./tables/applemacxiso.tab.orig ./tables/atarixiso.tab.orig ./tables/cp437xiso.tab.orig ./tables/cp850xiso.tab.orig ./tables/decxiso.tab.orig ./tables/isoxapplemac.tab.orig ./tables/isoxatari.tab.orig ./tables/isoxcp437.tab.orig ./tables/isoxcp850.tab.orig ./tables/isoxdec.tab.orig ./tables/isoxnext.tab.orig ./tables/nextxiso.tab.orig ./variable.c.orig ./nn.c.orig ./term.c.orig ./folder.c.orig where the directory 'tables' and the files below this dir are new files, i.e. their original files are just empty. Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Claws+spamd: No spam is detected
On 2007-11-11 Martin Hepworth wrote: HI you need to tell the MTA to pass email through spamassassin/clamav somehow. Depending on what you're MTA is (sendmail/exim/postfix etc) its different. try sendmail spamassassin for example in google.. -- martin On Nov 11, 2007 4:13 PM, Bahman M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have Claws-Mail and spamd installed (from ports) and although I have been using this combination -I've been been manually marking all spams as 'spam'- for more than 2 months, still _no_ spam message is detected. I've followed the instructions on Claws/spamd wiki. I've got the followings in /etc/rc.conf: spamd_enable=YES spamd_flags=-C /usr/local/etc/spamd -i 127.0.0.1 -p 783 -u spamd -d -l Also Claws configuration parameters exactly match the spamd_flags above. System information: % uname -a FreeBSD attila 6.2-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p7 #2: Fri Sep 7 14:23:40 IRST 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/HELIUM i386 % spamd -V SpamAssassin Server version 3.2.3 running on Perl 5.8.8 with SSL support (IO::Socket::SSL 1.08) with zlib support (Compress::Zlib 2.006) % claws-mail --version Claws Mail version 3.0.0 What am I doing wrong? What should I do to enable Claws/spamd detect spam? I'd appreciate any hint/help. You mean spam doesn't get detected unless I run a MTA -configured to pass emails to spamd? I thought Claws could communicate with spamd on its own without any need to a MTA (corrections?). -- Bahman Movaqar Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -Benjamin Franklin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: disk drive serial number
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# atacontrol cap ad0 Protocol ATA/ATAPI revision 6 device model ST9120822A serial number 5LZ2F879 firmware revision 3.ALD cylinders 16383 heads 16 sectors/track 63 lba supported 234441648 sectors lba48 supported 234441648 sectors dma supported overlap not supported Feature Support EnableValue Vendor write cacheyes yes read ahead yes yes Tagged Command Queuing (TCQ) no no 0/0x00 SMART yes yes microcode download yes yes security yes no power management yes yes advanced power management yes yes 32896/0x8080 automatic acoustic management no no 0/0x00 254/0xFE ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
On Sun, Nov 11, 2007 at 07:55:01PM -1000, Robert Marella wrote: Aloha FreeBSD Users I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ Have a very good day Robert This project is among the best and most selfless, not to mention innovative and techy, since we-geeks began hacking code. I'm going to buy at least two of these computers. Two for my household, and two for poor children *everywhere*. (had i not lucked into education, i dread to think of where i'd have wound up.) gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quick question about PF and ALTQ
On Mon, November 12, 2007 08:04, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: Hope the above explanation suffices. Yu, it does. Very nice explanation, thanx. Can you clarify your needs a bit more? Well, it's actually quite simple: our internet access line, which is used by several people (directly, without a proxy server, but with a FreeBSD firewall). Our management wants to block unwanted traffic (so not: wants to block unwanted sited - which would be very easy), like p2p and online radio, since this traffic is: - non business related - bandwidth consuming Peter -- http://www.boosten.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quick question about PF and ALTQ
Peter Boosten wrote: On Mon, November 12, 2007 08:04, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: Hope the above explanation suffices. Yu, it does. Very nice explanation, thanx. Can you clarify your needs a bit more? Well, it's actually quite simple: our internet access line, which is used by several people (directly, without a proxy server, but with a FreeBSD firewall). Our management wants to block unwanted traffic (so not: wants to block unwanted sited - which would be very easy), like p2p and online radio, since this traffic is: - non business related - bandwidth consuming Peter You just drop all traffic except for that over wanted ports, such as for http, https, ftp, smtp, pop3, maybe some instant messengers... That won't help against tunneling, though. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD's and fonts....
On Monday 12 November 2007 03:37:46 Gary Kline wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 12:58:13AM +0100, Michael Rudolph wrote: On Sunday 11 November 2007 23:55:50 Gary Kline wrote: After many tries , my secoond burner finally opopened a CD full of hundreds of TTF fonts. I don't know how to use the graphics widget to move the contents of /media/cdrom/1 to whereever so that all these fonts are usable by both AbiWord and OOo-2.3. (On my Ubuntu platform I used the command line to copy from /cdrom/*.ttf to /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/. ) I am using the OOo font wizard to install the few M$ free fonts, but sem to be missing BASIC. [[???]]. At any rate, any tips or insights would be very much appreciated here. tia, gary Hi Gary, as far as I know, you are using KDE, which makes things pretty easy. You can just use Konqueror to browse to your fonts and use the appropriate option in the context menu to install the selected fonts. If you want to do the font installation by hand, as you described, you have to make sure that X is aware of the directory where your font files reside and that the directory is properly prepared. This is best described in the handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-fonts.h tml I hope that helps. michael Well, your handbook URL helped, :-) ... I have in bookmarked in konq. I pointed the browser at the CDROM but there were too many files--hundred--and the browser choked. I'm not sure if I can do a CLI cp -rp from the disk, so I'm **trying** to figure out how to use these GUI tools. If you , or anyone else, would be so kind as too explain how to copy one file or multiple files or a directory and its subdirectories from (say) /media/cdrom/1 to /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType, I would be much obliged. Typing a single string in an xterm seems lots easier than doing it by file-manager. ... thanks, gary Hi Gary, I assume konqueror is chocking because you have font previews enabled. If you deselect Font Files in konquerors View Preview submenu, prior to entering your font directory, you should be able to use konqueror. As I said before, it's a piece of cake to do it this way. If you want to do it as per the handbook, you'd have to copy your font files to an appropriate directory, which could look something like this: # cp /media/cdrom/1/*.ttf /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType I'm not sure if I understood you question correctly, but either the man page for cp(1) might help or you ask again here. Have a nice time. michael ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quick question about PF and ALTQ
On 10:17:52 Nov 12, Peter Boosten wrote: Yu, it does. Very nice explanation, thanx. NP. Thanks. Well, it's actually quite simple: our internet access line, which is used by several people (directly, without a proxy server, but with a FreeBSD firewall). Our management wants to block unwanted traffic (so not: wants to block unwanted sited - which would be very easy), like p2p and online radio, since this traffic is: - non business related - bandwidth consuming In that case you don't need QoS at all. Just use pf for it. Refer to the first mail I sent in this thread. All the info you need is right there. Don't worry about altq. Best, Girish ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quick question about PF and ALTQ
On 14:03:29 Nov 11, Peter Boosten wrote:
Hi all,
One quick question: is it possible to filter specific kinds of traffic
with altq, traffic that is not bound to specific IP addresses, like online
radio?
Looks like I finally understood what you want.
You want to block the protocol from/to *any* IP address.
This is easily done.
block all
pass out all to { http smtp ftp }
This is a very cruel ruleset. :)
Instead you actually want this one.
nonbusiess= { 522 bittorrent ... }
block quick drop out all to port $nonbusiness
As you can see using pf, you can leave out anything.
That is the power of this marvelous creation.
It gives tremendous power to firewalls.
In fact I would venture to say it is the best software available for
firewalling functionality.
Best,
Girish
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Re: disk drive serial number
Am Montag, 12. November 2007 01:54:33 schrieb Josh Carroll: That's the _model_ number, not the _serial_ number, yes? Oops. Indeed. I misread the question. :/ I'm still missing the hint for 'diskinfo -v ad0' ! Isn't it well known? Best regards, -Harry signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: FreeBSD questions
Si Thu wrote: Hi Andy, Thanks for your answer. No problem, but please remember to include the list in any replies unless the person you're talking with spefically asks to take the conversation off-list. This will ensure that you get the widest possible audience for your questions, and generally, the best possible answers as well. Also, please remember to bottom-post your replies, since it makes the conversation easier to read for people joining in the middle. Again let me have one more question, I cannot encode the .wmv to .flv. It seems ffmpeg of port is outdated, but I downladed the port from the http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/multimedia/ffmpeg/?only_with_tag =RELEASE_6_2_0 If you want the newer versions of software from the ports tree, don't limit your results by the tag. Basically, you're saying (IIRC) I want the version of the port that was included with this release instead of I want the most recent version of this port. the release versions of the ports will only be updated for bug fixes, etc. Not new features. I'd suggest that you just use portsnap to update your local ports tree and go from there. If you've never used portsnap before, do the following portsnap fetch extract If you have already done the extract step above, then use this portsnap fetch update from now on. Every time you run this command, your ports tree is updated with the latest software. As long as you aren't on a really ancient release, software from the ports tree will ALMOST always compile and install fine. After your ports tree is updated, just cd /usr/ports/multimedia/ffmpeg make deinstall- to remove the older version make install clean -to install the new version Now you should have the latest version and all it's capabilities. I don't know specifically if this will solve your wmv - flv problem, but if not, you will be at a better place to ask questions. You would probably want to ask your questions about specific software at the developer's forums or mailing lists though, since this list is supposed to be mainly for questions about freebsd itself. Good Luck! Does it not update? Sithu -Original Message- From: Andy Greenwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:44 PM To: Si Thu Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD questions Si Thu wrote: Dear freeBSD, I am running FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE on my staging server and having one problem about FFmpeg. I have read a lot of documentation and google on the web to get the solution for how to customize installation for ffmpeg utility. Normally, freeBSD provides s lot of packages and ports that can be covered the average requirements. On my server, I have installed ffmpeg from the provided port with the command make install clean. After installation, I am able to encode the input files from some location of server such usr/local/bin and cannot implement with PHP(I used exec() command). FFmpeg-php is a object oriented API for PHP and ffmpeg implementation. I was not able to install that API on freeBSD. And there are some other configuration such --enable-shared --enable-gpl and other libraries they can use in ffmpeg by configuration with ./configure command. But I was not able to find how to configure before install ffmpeg. If you would be able to give me a solution that would be great. I will really appreciate. Don't know about ffmpeg-php or anything, as I've never used them. However, you could do a few different things to change the configure arguments. You could just edit the Makefile in the port's directory, or you could define some make variables either through /etc/make.conf or by defining them on the command line like make -DWITH_SWSCALER which will do the same thing as configure --enable-swscaler. Look through the Makefile for the defaults (both switches you mentioned are on by default in my ports tree) and all availible switches. Make syntax is simple enough, so you should be able to figure it out without much trouble. Also, you might want to run make configure instead of make install or even just make, since that will run the configure script and then stop, so you can look over the output and adjust as necessary before continuing the build. Looking forward to get an answer kind regards, Sithu [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
question about floating point calcuation with shell script / bc
Hi I have a file with numbers in each line. Each number is a decimal number. My task is to add them up and get the final answer. I have searched with the search engine. I found bash cannot handle floating point calculation. I tried to use 'bc' and found if the final answer is 1 (eg. 0.2) It display .2 instead of 0.2 (no leading zero). Any suggestion or other methods? I know ksh could do floating point calculation but I am now familiar with ksh. Regards Patrick __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: question about floating point calcuation with shell script / bc
On Mon, November 12, 2007 14:01, Patrick Dung wrote:
Hi
I have a file with numbers in each line.
Each number is a decimal number.
My task is to add them up and get the final answer.
I have searched with the search engine.
I found bash cannot handle floating point calculation.
I tried to use 'bc' and found if the final answer is 1 (eg. 0.2)
It display .2 instead of 0.2 (no leading zero).
Any suggestion or other methods?
I know ksh could do floating point calculation
but I am now familiar with ksh.
Try awk
awk '{sum += $1} END {printf %.2f\n, sum}' file
assuming the file consists only of numbers in the first column.
Peter
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Re: pkgdb failure
Yes, seems you need to rebuild ruby, for safety I also rebuilt ruby-bdb and portupgrade. I then moved /var/db/pkg/pkgdb.db and ran pkgdb -fu. Then it was safe to run portupgrade. This is probably overkill, but it worked for me. Jim -- In Response to your message - Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:24:14 +1100 To: J. W. Ballantine [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: matti k [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: pkgdb failure On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:06:54 -0500 J. W. Ballantine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After upgrading from 6-STABLE to 7-RELEASE, I tried to rebuild all the packages from portupgrade -af I started getting the following error messages. The first once, the second multiple times, even after I moved the pkgdb.db and did a pkgdb -fu. [/usr/ports/INDEX-7.db: unexpected file type or format -- Invalid argument] [Updating the portsdb format:bdb_btree in /usr/ports . .. - 17746 port entries found /usr/ports/INDEX-7.db: unexpected file type or format -- Invalid argument: Cannot update the portsdb! (/usr/ports/INDEX-7.db)] /var/db/pkg/pkgdb.db: unexpected file type or format -- Invalid argument Any ideas on what is causing this? I got this as well, after portupgrade tried to register installation of new ruby version. A pkgdb -F seemed to correct it and i continued on with portupgrade with no more errors. Regards, Matti ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IPFW or ProFTPD
Hi all, I am getting lots of brute force attacks on my proftpd server and was wondering if anyone knows of a way for IPFW to check incomming connections and automagicaly block an IP for a period of time when too many connections are made on a port, or if any Proftpd gurus out there know if there is a mod that does the same thing. I have mod_Delay installed, but it does not seem to help much. TIA, -Grant ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD questions
Andy Greenwood wrote: If you want the newer versions of software from the ports tree, don't limit your results by the tag. Basically, you're saying (IIRC) I want the version of the port that was included with this release instead of I want the most recent version of this port. the release versions of the ports will only be updated for bug fixes, etc. Unless something has changed recently, this is not correct. The release versions of the ports are *never* updated for anything; not security fixes, not features, nothing. The ports tree is not like, say, Fedora Linux rpms. What you say is true of the *base* system, but not true for ports. Technically, the ports tree is not branched, because it's a) too much of a maintenance burden and b) apparently CVS is likely to struggle, which I can believe. The ports tree is *tagged* (not branched) when the release ISOs are made, and those tags are never moved. For cv(s)uping ports there are only two reasonable tags, as far as I know: . which means the latest ports tree or a date: when you desperately need to get back to the ports tree you had say a week ago because it worked and your current one doesn't and you are desperate. --Alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flash: linux firefox vs linuxpluginwrapper
On Friday 09 November 2007 4:20 pm, John wrote: I've been struggling to get a handle on the FreeBSD system. Making good progress, but then I ran into the fact that Firefox on FreeBSD can't do flash. Definite showstopper, for me. Ok, then I tried to use the linuxpluginwrapper approach, and it didn't work. It made me recall, in reading up on FreeBSD, I did see where somebody installed both Firefox and Linx-firefox. So before I do battle with this Linux wrapper approach, I wondered if I would be better off simply installing the Linux-firefox? Is that easier? More likely to work? Does it perform almost as well as the native FreeBSD version? Any input would be appreciated. John John, I posed a similar question on this list a short time ago. Right now, the only 'Flash' working on either Linux or native is Flash 7, which does not work on many sites. To get Flash 9, you need to use wine under freebsd and install the windows version of Firefox. I have been told that this solution works fine out of the box on FreeBSD 6.2 but I have not yet confirmed. Mark Moellering [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flash: linux firefox vs linuxpluginwrapper
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I posed a similar question on this list a short time ago. Right now, the only 'Flash' working on either Linux or native is Flash 7, which does not work on many sites. To get Flash 9, you need to use wine under freebsd and install the windows version of Firefox. I have been told that this solution works fine out of the box on FreeBSD 6.2 but I have not yet confirmed. Works right out of the box for all versions of FreeBSD 6 I just did it on a 8-Current machine doing the following port installs in this order: firefox linux-flashplugin7 acroread7 after you install acroread run nspluginwrapper -v -a -i. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHOGdhJ9+1V27SttsRAlYhAJwLmRfkU5eT9ugh3P1gfH0ImZO4RwCeI1xF IrALlh7qkHerjj5BwNa3Qq4= =P1uM -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apache13-modperl problem: mod_dir, mod_mime
I've solved it for now; forget to add the Listen directive! (And I reinstalled Apache for good measure after backing up conf). ~Doug On Nov 11, 2007, at 11:40 AM, futuristick wrote: Thank you! I have located modules in /usr/local/libexec/apache and have added them in the correct order to my httpd.conf. However, apache does not want to start. sudo /usr/local/etc/rc.d/apache start yields Starting apache with no errors, yet sockstat -4 reveals that httpd is not running. My httpd.pid file is in a directory which is owned by the user and group apache should run under (www/ www). ServerType standalone ServerRoot /usr/local PidFile /var/run/apache/httpd.pid ScoreBoardFile /var/run/apache/httpd.scoreboard ResourceConfig /dev/null AccessConfig /dev/null snip Port 3000 User www Group www ServerAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] UseCanonicalName Off ServerSignature Off HostnameLookups Off ServerTokens Prod My firewall script allows binding to port 3000, so I'm at a loss here. On Nov 11, 2007, at 1:10 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 futuristick wrote: I have installed apache13-modperl from ports because I want to run a simple photoblog. However, there was no 'make config' option for modules, and here is the output of httpd -l: Compiled-in modules: http_core.c mod_so.c mod_perl.c suexec: disabled; invalid wrapper /usr/local/sbin/suexec I don't understand why mod_dir and mod_mime aren't installed by default. How can I serve pages without these? How can I get these modules installed? (I don't know where, if any, the .so files might be). Not having an OPTIONS dialog is just a symptom of the age of the port and that the possibility of implementing such a thing has not yet risen to the top of the maintainer's TODO list. OPTIONS are not mandatory in the ports system -- you can still use the original and in some circumstances superior method of defining compilation flags on the command line or (more usefully) in /etc/make.conf However, the only way to find out what flags are available is by looking at what the Makefile provides. In the case of apache13- modssl the Makefile is really rather complex, but the maintainer has provided some handy documentation of what can be tweaked: % cd /usr/ports/www/apache13-modssl % make pre-fetch As it transpires, the apache13-modssl port doesn't give you a huge amount of flexibility as to how the module load is configured. There are about 4 -- 5 optional modules you can enable or disable completely, most of which I doubt you'll have any need for, although suexec is possibly an exception that you may want. Otherwise you get the default setup from the Apache configuration system as invoked with the following flags: --enable-module=most \ --enable-module=auth_db \ --enable-module=mmap_static \ --disable-module=auth_dbm \ --enable-shared=max \ --enable-module=ssl \ --enable-module=define \ That is, everything standard except experimental modules and auth_dbm is enabled, plus auth_db, mmap_static and ssl. Modules are configured as loadable modules rather than compiled in. That gives you maximum flexibility and maximum control over how large your apache processes will grow but adds a layer of indirection to various pointer lookups which will add a few percent to the time it takes to serve a page. Unless you're trying to run your server at the absolute max, that is almost definitely the correct choice. mod_dir and mod_mime are certainly installed and available as part of the default package. Look in /usr/local/etc/libexec/apache to find the loadable modules themselves. Look at the 'LoadModule' lines in /usr/local/etc/apache/httpd.conf to see what is being loaded at runtime - -- the default is to load everything available. Cheers, Matthew - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHNsbx8Mjk52CukIwRCEzAAKCU8GVX/gj1eoqi4VAnJtZlj+Pp4wCfccLi sch16WtyVVoq0bmrcQRBoJA= =eX9t -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ports with GUI configs
Hi I was just wondering, what is the motivation behind the GUI configuration for some ports? Simply put, they drive me up the wall. I've lost count of the number of times I've come back to a big install to find it hanging on a config screen. Possibly I'm missing something. The apache22 port is the latest one to join this crowd, although there is an option to skip the GUI. I'm much happier using WITH_PROXY_MODULES or whatever, and managing everything in pkgtools.conf. What is the best way to pre-configure GUI-configured ports? For example, if I want to script an installation of several ports. I've seen this: http://www.freshports.org/misc/dotfile/, is it what I'm after? Thanks for any advice Ashley -- blog @ http://aviewfromafar.net/ linked-in @ http://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleymoran currently @ work ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problems with building a patch
El día Sunday, November 11, 2007 a las 07:17:55PM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas escribió: On 2007-11-11 16:02, Matthias Apitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've build a patch for 'nn-6.7.3' to add support for RFC1522 to my beloved news-reader. Before giving it away I was trying it on a fresh workspace of the /usr/ports/news/nn and run into the problem that new files which brings the patch to the tree are always created in the current working dir, even if I create them before with touch(1), existing files, like 'answer.c' in the example below, get patched correctly: $ /usr/ports/news/nn/work $ touch nn-6.7.3/PATCH.RFC1522 $ patch ../myRFC1522.patch Hmm... Looks like a unified diff to me... The text leading up to this was: -- |diff -N -r -u -X exclude nn-6.7.3/PATCH.RFC1522 nn-6.7.3.patched/PATCH.RFC1522 |--- nn-6.7.3/PATCH.RFC1522 Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970 |+++ nn-6.7.3.patched/PATCH.RFC1522 Sat Nov 10 11:04:58 2007 -- Here's the problem. The patch files for ports should *not* include the `nn-6.7.3' part, like this one. They should be relative to the toplevel directory of the unzipped/untarred port, i.e.: diff -N -u PATCH.RFC1522.orig PATCH.RFC1522 --- PATCH.RFC1522.orig Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970 +++ PATCH.RFC1522 Sat Nov 10 11:04:58 2007 After a lot of tests I've found the solution: I'm creating the patch with: $ diff -Naur -X exclude nn-6.7.3 nn-6.7.3.patched diff while having in 'nn-6.7.3' a 'make clean' version of the original tree and in 'nn-6.7.3.patched' a 'make clean' version of my modified source tree; the exclude file just says: $ cat exclude *.orig i.e. excludes the files *.orig which I also have in 'nn-6.7.3'; the trick is applying the patch as: $ cd /usr/ports/news/nn/work $ patch -p0 ../.mywork/diff i.e. using the -p0; without -p0 the new files end up in the current directory, while with -p0 they get created in the right place. I've read the man page of patch again and again; it explains the function of -pN but not this effect :-( matthias -- Matthias Apitz ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ports with GUI configs
On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 03:26:00PM +, Ashley Moran wrote: Hi I was just wondering, what is the motivation behind the GUI configuration for some ports? Many people prefer to not have to read every single Makefile in the ports tree just to find out which options are available. It can also be nice having the chosen options automatically saved. Simply put, they drive me up the wall. I've lost count of the number of times I've come back to a big install to find it hanging on a config screen. Possibly I'm missing something. The apache22 port is the latest one to join this crowd, although there is an option to skip the GUI. I'm much happier using WITH_PROXY_MODULES or whatever, and managing everything in pkgtools.conf. What is the best way to pre-configure GUI-configured ports? For example, if I want to script an installation of several ports. 'make config-recursive' to pop up all the config-dialogs before you start building, or 'make BATCH=yes' to skip all the config-dialogs and just use the standard options. Reading the ports(7) manpage can be helpful to find out this kind of things. I've seen this: http://www.freshports.org/misc/dotfile/, is it what I'm after? Doesn't look like it. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DAG 4.5G4 card on FreeBSD 6.1
Hi, I am trying to install a DAG card (it's a traffic capture card from Endace Inc.) on a FreeBSD 6.1 system. I know this is a long shot, b/c there may not be too many folks using this hardware. I am also working with the Endace support folks who are not as responsive as I would like, hence my request for help here. Has anyone succesfully installed and used this card or any other DAG card on a FreeBSD 6.1 machine? If so, I would appreciate a note from you so I can send you more details of what my problem is, and can hopefully get it resolved. Thanks! --Jay. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ports with GUI configs
Ashley Moran wrote: Hi I was just wondering, what is the motivation behind the GUI configuration for some ports? Simply put, they drive me up the wall. I've lost count of the number of times I've come back to a big install to find it hanging on a config screen. Possibly I'm missing something. The apache22 port is the latest one to join this crowd, although there is an option to skip the GUI. I'm much happier using WITH_PROXY_MODULES or whatever, and managing everything in pkgtools.conf. What is the best way to pre-configure GUI-configured ports? For example, if I want to script an installation of several ports. I've seen this: http://www.freshports.org/misc/dotfile/, is it what I'm after? I think what you want is the make config-recursive target which should go through the dependencies and do the gui config for them all, (after the first run the gui config saves the configs in /var/db/ports/$portname/options and shouldn't prompt a second time.) For apache22 it looks like setting WITHOUT_APACHE_OPTIONS=YES should disable the menu and let you go back to using pkgtools.conf although I haven't tested it. Its possible that setting BATCH=YES and using pkgtools.conf will work too but my understanding of the BATCH and INTERACTIVE makefile options are a little unclear. I agree though, I often suffer the same problem, coming back after a few hours to a build that should have finished to find its sitting on the first dependency. Vince Thanks for any advice Ashley -- blog @ http://aviewfromafar.net/ linked-in @ http://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleymoran currently @ work ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer
Hi all. I'm sure some of you have seen this, and I'm looking for some advice. I've got 2 servers now that will completely lockup (one is 6.1-p4, the other 6.2-p7), and just display this on the console: swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 33, size: 4096 It repeats and continues to be frozen until I reboot the machine. The machine responds to ping, but that's about it. On one of my boxes, it appears to happen under heavy use (though this is not always the case...it's done it on me before when it's been completely idle). There should be no reason for either of these machines to swap...one of them has 4GB of RAM, the other has 2GB, and they never come close to using it all (based on our statistics). I've seen the various comments that it's probably bad hardware, but I haven't been able to find anything. I also saw there was a reference in the todo for 6.1 (http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.1R/todo.html) about this. Anyone know if there has been any updates to this? Anyone have any info that could help me out? Thanks, --Brian -- _-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_ Brian McCann I don't have to take this abuse from you -- I've got hundreds of people waiting to abuse me. -- Bill Murray, Ghostbusters ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:04:04 +0700 (ICT) Olivier Nicole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ That is a difficult issue, while this is an opportunity, I doubt this is the most needed thing to provide education. We are talking giving laptop to people who do not even have electricity in some cases... Olivier http://www.newsweek.com/id/41724 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dealing with a failing drive
On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 05:22:06PM -0800, David Newman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'd welcome suggestions on how (or whether) to try to revive a SCSI drive that's failing. to answer 'whether': don't. Get your stuff off from it as soon as possible and nuke it if it has anything sensitive at all. If it is a mirror or raid5 then you should be able to just replace it, but otherwise, back it up immediately and quit using it. Generally, if you start seeing a regular hard error, the drive is on its last legs. The errors only increase.You may be able to do things to get past this one error, but more will be coming. So, is answer to 'how': also don't. jerry This is on FreeBSD 6.2-RELENG on a Compaq Proliant DL320, onboard RAID and two SCSI drives in a RAID1 array. Today this system rebooted and hung on Compaq's what do you want the RAID controller to do? message. I told it to fix any errors. When I brought the system back up (after running fsck in single-user mode), the log had lots of errors like this: Nov 10 09:00:40 mail kernel: ida0: hard write error Nov 10 09:00:40 mail kernel: ida0: invalid request Nov 10 09:01:48 mail last message repeated 35 times Nov 10 09:03:49 mail last message repeated 571 times Nov 10 09:12:27 mail last message repeated 796 times I vaguely remember trying about a year ago to load a SMART utility from the ports collection but it wouldn't work on drives in a RAID array. Is there some other way to: a) diagnose/fix the errant disk here? b) monitor the health of disks on a Compaq controller so it doesn't get to this point to begin with? thanks in advance dn -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHNlk+yPxGVjntI4IRAntlAJ9FWA2ez+BdnViq7mrIpkLBTLm/CgCfRyEA czDvMn6+8KjlI3V0iBG4U3I= =36+k -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dealing with a failing drive
On Sun, Nov 11, 2007 at 07:56:52AM -0800, David Newman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/10/07 9:09 PM, Modulok wrote: I'd welcome suggestions on how (or whether) to try to revive a SCSI drive that's failing. It depends on how valuable the data on the array is, and more importantly, how much funding you have at your disposal to fix the problem. If it were me, I would set aside the bad disk, connect a new disk to the card and re-synchronize the array. (Assuming one of the members still retains a good copy of the data.) Afterwards I would destroy, or toss the existing disk in the trash can (depending on the sensitivity of the data stored on it.) Thanks for your reply. An update: After doing what you suggest (leaving in the good disk, adding a new disk, RAID rebuilding) I still got soft write errors -- with *either one* of the disks I tried. Then I tried putting both disks in an identical server and they came up fine, no read or write errors. Ergo, the bad RAID controller is bad and the disks may be OK. Probably not. Generally, if the RAID controller is bad, you will see errors all over and not it just one place, tho I suppose it is possible. Check and see what it reports as error locations and see if they move around any. A soft error is usually one that can be corrected within the limits of rereads and any error correction that the system is using. It may be that the error was introduced when the problems with the old disk was occuring so that there was an error written on to the other supposedly good disk and then mirrored to the new disk - errors can be preserved by mirroring too. Having said that, I don't know where this error is from. Try reading up and rewriting the data that is in the spot getting the error and then reading it from the new location. It is pretty hard to figure out and specifically rewrite one certain block on modern systems because the physical locations are virtual. Although you would expect the same sector number to be in the same place from one write to the next, if it happens that that sector gets remapped due to an error, then it will actually be a different physical location the next time and you don't really prove anything. But, it is worth experimenting with if you want. You can dd from and to any sector on the partition by carefully using skip counts and block counts. But, you have to figure out the location (sector number) first. Good luck, jerry Is there some other way to: b)monitor the health of disks on a Compaq controller so it doesn't get to this point to begin with? There are various tools out there that attempt to 'monitor' the condition of disk drives to try and predict when failure is eminent. For valuable data, it is safer to setup a mirror and simply toss out bad disks as they fail. For extremely valuable data use a 3 disk array. With a 3 disk setup you will still be covered in the event that an additional disk craps out during the re-sync. To quote google's article on disk failure, regarding SMART: Right, I've heard it said that SMART isn't. Nonetheless, I'd appreciate any suggestions to monitor the health of disks -- and RAID controllers too -- on HP Proliant servers running FreeBSD. thanks again. dn -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHNyZDyPxGVjntI4IRAqk1AKCUwByNOAJZwvtD9V21TZfyaMWaxgCdFSCZ dZjf3ynK+4OffBzsDOawF9A= =DUqc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ports with GUI configs
Vince wrote: Ashley Moran wrote: Hi I was just wondering, what is the motivation behind the GUI configuration for some ports? Simply put, they drive me up the wall. I've lost count of the number of times I've come back to a big install to find it hanging on a config screen. Possibly I'm missing something. I agree though, I often suffer the same problem, coming back after a few hours to a build that should have finished to find its sitting on the first dependency. Maybe it's been suggested before (in which case I add my vote) but a timeout mechanism would solve this... give the user 10s to provide a keypress else bailout and use the default options. -- Said one park ranger, 'There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.' Mark D. Foster, CISSP [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mark.foster.cc/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Beastie 3D-rendered
On Sun, Nov 11, 2007 at 08:55:18PM +, Tino Engel wrote: Look what happened to Beastie: http://www.tilolit.de/images/tb/wallpapers/teufel.jpg Cute, but the eyes seem a little out of sync with the rest of the attention/address of the figure. Also legs are missing. Or, am I not viewing it with the right thing? Anyway, Check with the BSDie copyright holders to see if this is OK. I believe it is Kirk Mckusick. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: disk drive serial number
On Sun, Nov 11, 2007 at 06:38:08PM -0500, Josh Carroll wrote: is there a way to get the serial number from a drive from within the OS? im trying to audit the drives in my file server, but without pulling the thing from the rack and cracking it open. they are just standard sata drives, not on any sort of raid controller (ie, i know 3ware cards are capable of pulling the drive info). Check dmesg (or /var/run/dmesg.boot). The serial number should show, e.g.: ad8: 381553MB Seagate ST3400633AS 3.AAH at ata4-master SATA150 Which is the serial? I see the extended model id. jerry Thanks, Josh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: question about floating point calcuation with shell script / bc
Hello Peter
Thanks, it work.
Regards
Patrick
--- Peter Boosten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, November 12, 2007 14:01, Patrick Dung wrote:
Hi
I have a file with numbers in each line.
Each number is a decimal number.
My task is to add them up and get the final answer.
I have searched with the search engine.
I found bash cannot handle floating point calculation.
I tried to use 'bc' and found if the final answer is 1 (eg. 0.2)
It display .2 instead of 0.2 (no leading zero).
Any suggestion or other methods?
I know ksh could do floating point calculation
but I am now familiar with ksh.
Try awk
awk '{sum += $1} END {printf %.2f\n, sum}' file
assuming the file consists only of numbers in the first column.
Peter
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Re: FreeBSD questions
On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 02:37:06PM +, Alex Zbyslaw wrote: Andy Greenwood wrote: If you want the newer versions of software from the ports tree, don't limit your results by the tag. Basically, you're saying (IIRC) I want the version of the port that was included with this release instead of I want the most recent version of this port. the release versions of the ports will only be updated for bug fixes, etc. Unless something has changed recently, this is not correct. The release versions of the ports are *never* updated for anything; not security fixes, not features, nothing. The ports tree is not like, say, Fedora Linux rpms. I think what you want to say may be correct, but this is confusing. Ports are updated all along as port maintainers get to it. In general the ports system does not have release identifiers. It is also not specifically tied to any release. It just happens that a particilar 'snapshot' of the condition of the ports tree is put on an ISO and for good measure, gets frozen a while to give time to check it out. But, as soon as that freeze is over (which pretty much corresponds to the timing of a base system RELEASE), updates begin again as the port maintainers get around to making improvements.So, a certain condition of the ports tree and the individual ports conceptually gets tied to a certain RELEASE, but in reality is not, since changes continue to be made and you will get the most recent condidition of the ports if you do an install over the net. You will get the 'RELEASE' condition only if you install only from the ISO-s. Now, when changes are made to ports, they should be tested against something and I don't know just what they get tested against between freezes.So, whether you csup your ports tree and install over the net or install from the ISO you have burned to a CD may depend on whether an updated version of a port will work with the stuff you are trying to install it over. You may have to test. Generally the latest version is the best, but sometimes the updates may have moved the port beyond where your base system is at the moment. Of course, you could also upgrade your base system - if you need that latest instantiation of the port. The point being that ports are almost continuously being updated except for that freeze period. But, there is no general-systemwide versioning system for the ports. So, in in the base system RELEASE sense, ports is not updated - there are no numbers to update. But it is updated, in the sense that improvement are continuously made - depending on the maintainer. jerry What you say is true of the *base* system, but not true for ports. Technically, the ports tree is not branched, because it's a) too much of a maintenance burden and b) apparently CVS is likely to struggle, which I can believe. The ports tree is *tagged* (not branched) when the release ISOs are made, and those tags are never moved. For cv(s)uping ports there are only two reasonable tags, as far as I know: . which means the latest ports tree or a date: when you desperately need to get back to the ports tree you had say a week ago because it worked and your current one doesn't and you are desperate. --Alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Botched X.org upgrade, need help
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 03:26:15AM +, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] flavor, containing: On Thursday 08 November 2007, Andrew Falanga said: On Nov 8, 2007 12:37 PM, Warren Block [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 8 Nov 2007, Andrew Falanga wrote: Well, at last I think it's botched. I really was following the directions [...] (WW) Warning, couldn't open module pcidata (II) UnloadModule: pcidata (EE) Failed to load module pcidata (module does not exist, 0) Fatal server error: Unable to load required base modules, Exiting... I had a very similar experience, with the X server reporting missing modules immediately after I thought I'd followed the upgrade instructions to the letter (including the portupgrade -a, migrating all the /usr/X11R6 stuff with mergebase, and various nvidia-driver caveats). Turns out that in my case the xorg-drivers and xorg-fonts ports had not been added by the upgrade process, probably because I had a missing metaport in my previous install. That was the one block of caveats I apparently missed. In the end, I was able to just do a make install of the xorg metaport and it picked up the missing two, then I was back in business. Perhaps that's what's going on with you? Or perhaps not --- I see you also mentioned you hadn't updated ModulePath, and perhaps that was the only reason you are having problems? I didn't see a follow-up saying that was it. -- Tom RussoKM5VY SAR502 DM64ux http://www.swcp.com/~russo/ Tijeras, NM QRPL#1592 K2#398 SOC#236 AHTB#1 http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit! --- The Tick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dealing with a failing drive
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/12/07 8:14 AM, Jerry McAllister wrote: An update: After doing what you suggest (leaving in the good disk, adding a new disk, RAID rebuilding) I still got soft write errors -- with *either one* of the disks I tried. Then I tried putting both disks in an identical server and they came up fine, no read or write errors. Ergo, the bad RAID controller is bad and the disks may be OK. Probably not. Generally, if the RAID controller is bad, you will see errors all over and not it just one place, tho I suppose it is possible. Check and see what it reports as error locations and see if they move around any. Jerry, thanks for your response. After 36 hours of running the same disks in a different, identical machine there hasn't been a single read or write error. I'm hardly a storage expert but from the evidence I have I'm inclined to believe the root cause was a bad RAID controller and not failed disks. I'm aware of CLI tools to monitor 3Ware SATA RAID controllers. Anyone know if there are similar tools for HP/Compaq SCSI RAID controllers? thanks dn -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHOIzOyPxGVjntI4IRAmMWAJ4grMR6mcL/j9qbcGY/fJfDEqv3KgCg8BVW wcHVDkZPykFcQzVYnp8mx+g= =8rws -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dealing with a failing drive
On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 09:26:38AM -0800, David Newman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/12/07 8:14 AM, Jerry McAllister wrote: An update: After doing what you suggest (leaving in the good disk, adding a new disk, RAID rebuilding) I still got soft write errors -- with *either one* of the disks I tried. Then I tried putting both disks in an identical server and they came up fine, no read or write errors. Ergo, the bad RAID controller is bad and the disks may be OK. Probably not. Generally, if the RAID controller is bad, you will see errors all over and not it just one place, tho I suppose it is possible. Check and see what it reports as error locations and see if they move around any. Jerry, thanks for your response. After 36 hours of running the same disks in a different, identical machine there hasn't been a single read or write error. I'm hardly a storage expert but from the evidence I have I'm inclined to believe the root cause was a bad RAID controller and not failed disks. That is not much proof. The different machine would probably be accessing the disks in a different way, either slightly different positioning or using different space. Also, 36 hours is not really much time. It could be you are right, but disks have a way of starting small in errors and then avalanching on you with accelerating volume of errors just when you begin to feel safe. You could be right, but is the price of a disk worth it - the price of a new RAID controller, for that matter? Replace them both. jerry I'm aware of CLI tools to monitor 3Ware SATA RAID controllers. Anyone know if there are similar tools for HP/Compaq SCSI RAID controllers? thanks dn -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHOIzOyPxGVjntI4IRAmMWAJ4grMR6mcL/j9qbcGY/fJfDEqv3KgCg8BVW wcHVDkZPykFcQzVYnp8mx+g= =8rws -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
7.0 install
I have downloaded the 7.0 beta 2 ISO file for i386. I am trying to install it on an ASUS G1S laptop. 6.2 works very nicely all except support for the WIFI card (Intel 4965AGN). When I insert the Install CD and start going through the steps, it seems as if every key I press sends a ctrl key with it. When I choose to create a partition it just pops up and aks if I would like to abort or restart the install. Has anybody else seen this? I don't see a report of it anywhere, but I thought I would ask here before submitting a pr. TIA -- Chad Albert, MCSE, MCP+I ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 7.0 install
On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 11:04:52AM -0600, Chad Albert wrote: I have downloaded the 7.0 beta 2 ISO file for i386. I am trying to install it on an ASUS G1S laptop. 6.2 works very nicely all except support for the WIFI card (Intel 4965AGN). When I insert the Install CD and start going through the steps, it seems as if every key I press sends a ctrl key with it. If you have trouble with the installer, and you already have 6.2 on it, why don't you do a source upgrade as covered in the handbook? Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgp7Cq6qv2nJR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Ports with GUI configs
On Monday 12 November 2007 17:48, Erik Trulsson wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 03:26:00PM +, Ashley Moran wrote: I've lost count of the number of times I've come back to a big install to find it hanging on a config screen. Possibly I'm missing something. [snip] What is the best way to pre-configure GUI-configured ports? For example, if I want to script an installation of several ports. 'make config-recursive' to pop up all the config-dialogs before you start building[...] I discovered this recently. My big irritation, having decent bandwidth at work and a dialup at home, was fetching ``all'' the required sources for an overnight build on my laptop, finding in the morning that a dialog had popped up during the night and stopped the build, selecting a non-standard option and restarting only to find that it brought in a bunch more dependencies - over my phone line. I now run make config-recursive repeatedly until dialogs stop appearing, then fetch, then build. This recently cut down a build of X.org and KDE from a week (wall time) to less than 24 hours - from memory I ran make config-recursive three or four times on x11/kde3 alone. (Oh, I also got ADSL which helped with the downloads). Jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ports with GUI configs
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:14:02 -0800 Mark D. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vince wrote: Ashley Moran wrote: Hi I was just wondering, what is the motivation behind the GUI configuration for some ports? Simply put, they drive me up the wall. I've lost count of the number of times I've come back to a big install to find it hanging on a config screen. Possibly I'm missing something. I agree though, I often suffer the same problem, coming back after a few hours to a build that should have finished to find its sitting on the first dependency. Maybe it's been suggested before (in which case I add my vote) but a timeout mechanism would solve this... give the user 10s to provide a keypress else bailout and use the default options. That would involve standing-over the build for hours or days in case you miss a 10-second window - it's just not practical IMO. Setting the menus is pretty easy to script, and you can also set BATCH to take the default options ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ports with GUI configs
RW wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:14:02 -0800 Mark D. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vince wrote: Ashley Moran wrote: Hi I was just wondering, what is the motivation behind the GUI configuration for some ports? Simply put, they drive me up the wall. I've lost count of the number of times I've come back to a big install to find it hanging on a config screen. Possibly I'm missing something. I agree though, I often suffer the same problem, coming back after a few hours to a build that should have finished to find its sitting on the first dependency. Maybe it's been suggested before (in which case I add my vote) but a timeout mechanism would solve this... give the user 10s to provide a keypress else bailout and use the default options. That would involve standing-over the build for hours or days in case you miss a 10-second window - it's just not practical IMO. Setting the menus is pretty easy to script, and you can also set BATCH to take the default options ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] And in fact you can make all these screens appear before actually compiling: make config-recursive (select all wanted options) make install clean (no more questions asked) it is all in the manual: man ports ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
Olivier Nicole wrote: I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ That is a difficult issue, while this is an opportunity, I doubt this is the most needed thing to provide education. We are talking giving laptop to people who do not even have electricity in some cases... You ought to actually _visit_ one or more of the schools that have practical computers for the kids. At least in my own experience, well, it's very disillusioning. The teachers have only a vague notion about what a compuiter is, so basically the students are given some games to waste their time with, and graded on how quiet they are while playing. The teachers themselves are usually actually frightened of the machines, so they react negatively to anyone who volunteers to teach computers. I wish it wasn't this way. Maybe it's just in the schools I visited? If so, anyone have a better experience? Until I hear of some, I won't contribute to any computers for kids deal, because it only benefits big computer companies, who sell the machines, not the kids. Olivier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ports with GUI configs
RW wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:14:02 -0800 Mark D. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vince wrote: Ashley Moran wrote: Hi I was just wondering, what is the motivation behind the GUI configuration for some ports? Simply put, they drive me up the wall. I've lost count of the number of times I've come back to a big install to find it hanging on a config screen. Possibly I'm missing something. I agree though, I often suffer the same problem, coming back after a few hours to a build that should have finished to find its sitting on the first dependency. Maybe it's been suggested before (in which case I add my vote) but a timeout mechanism would solve this... give the user 10s to provide a keypress else bailout and use the default options. That would involve standing-over the build for hours or days in case you miss a 10-second window - it's just not practical IMO. Setting the menus is pretty easy to script, and you can also set BATCH to take the default options A suggestion I recently made on the ports list would, as a side effect, make a better solution. You see, allowing a default timer does get things built, but then it allows no user input to let users avoid installing software that they either have no ise for, or do not want for other reasons. I have enough input now, so I'm going ahead and coding up the Makefile mods to allow my system, but it looks somewhat like the Gentoo Portage USE flags system. Not identical, and I am only proposing to use their USE flags, not the rest (I very much like using Makefiles as FreeBSD ports does, and wouldn't change that.) If you want to see what it is, go look at recent postings on ports list. It'll probably get changed, as I get something for folks to look at and discuss. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OFFTOPIC] Re: One Laptop Per Child
On Monday 12 November 2007 19:06:28 Chuck Robey wrote: I wish it wasn't this way. Maybe it's just in the schools I visited? If so, anyone have a better experience? Until I hear of some, I won't contribute to any computers for kids deal, because it only benefits big computer companies, who sell the machines, not the kids. It is true that the companies that sell computers and software benefit, but the same could be said of companies that sell state-approved textbooks to schools (if you have seen those textbooks you know what I mean), the companies that sell shoes for sports, etc. There is one large software company that gives some software to schools and then gets a tax cut even though it benefits down the line when those kids grow up to buy that company's software because that is the software they know. I still think it is better for kids to know how to use computers, even if a few business people also benefit. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
Chuck Robey wrote: I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ That is a difficult issue, while this is an opportunity, I doubt this is the most needed thing to provide education. We are talking giving laptop to people who do not even have electricity in some cases... You ought to actually _visit_ one or more of the schools that have practical computers for the kids. At least in my own experience, well, it's very disillusioning. The teachers have only a vague notion about what a compuiter is, so basically the students are given some games to waste their time with, and graded on how quiet they are while playing. The teachers themselves are usually actually frightened of the machines, so they react negatively to anyone who volunteers to teach computers. I wish it wasn't this way. Maybe it's just in the schools I visited? If so, anyone have a better experience? Until I hear of some, I won't contribute to any computers for kids deal, because it only benefits big computer companies, who sell the machines, not the kids. I'd say that it is possible your observations have clued you in on a large problem. Of course, it's likely not that way everywhere, but one result of a lack of teacher education re: computers is that people tend to think that they are computer literate if they can handle an office suite and use a pointy-clicky interface to build web pages --- which explains a few things about the culture at large. Another problem is that use of the Internet for research in writing papers, etc. often misses the crucial old school step of actually writing notes based on the books your read before you begin the paper. Recently I read a report by a 9th grader that was composed mostly of direct quotes from Wikipedia, et al, with no attribution whatsoever. Copy n Paste may work in elementary art classes, but it's no good in academic research unless great pains are taken to ensure understanding and proper attribution. And, this may be near the real heart of the issue. I don't think that many school administrators feel that games, educational or not, are the reason that schools should have computers. I think that, in large extent, computers were added when some of them discovered that the Internet could give you more volumes of information than the school library, without leaving your seat or requiring a hall pass. And that is why teachers should be a little more geeky, perhaps. Plugging a child's computer into the network without knowledgeable and *personal* guidance will pretty much guarantee that most kids end up on the baser end of the 'Net, rather than the best. And, for the most part, teachers are no less busy than they were 10, 20, or 30 years ago. My $.02, Kevin Kinsey -- There has been a little distress selling on the stock exchange. -- Thomas W. Lamont, October 29, 1929 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
On 2007-11-12 Olivier Nicole wrote: I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ That is a difficult issue, while this is an opportunity, I doubt this is the most needed thing to provide education. We are talking giving laptop to people who do not even have electricity in some cases... I second the idea. No doubt that OLPC is a great effort but I wonder how such ideas will be useful in 3rd world countries where the IT infrastructures are so poor that even dial-up Internet is not available in some towns, let alone villages and rural regions. I try to be not cynic but there are so many problems in education system that learning how to use a computer has a low priority. Anyway, let's hope OLPC will do what it's supposed to do. -- Bahman Movaqar Whenever there are great virtues, it's a sure sign something's wrong. -Bertolt Brecht ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ports with GUI configs
Chuck Robey wrote: RW wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:14:02 -0800 Mark D. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vince wrote: Ashley Moran wrote: Hi I was just wondering, what is the motivation behind the GUI configuration for some ports? Simply put, they drive me up the wall. I've lost count of the number of times I've come back to a big install to find it hanging on a config screen. Possibly I'm missing something. I agree though, I often suffer the same problem, coming back after a few hours to a build that should have finished to find its sitting on the first dependency. Maybe it's been suggested before (in which case I add my vote) but a timeout mechanism would solve this... give the user 10s to provide a keypress else bailout and use the default options. That would involve standing-over the build for hours or days in case you miss a 10-second window - it's just not practical IMO. Setting the menus is pretty easy to script, and you can also set BATCH to take the default options A suggestion I recently made on the ports list would, as a side effect, make a better solution. You see, allowing a default timer does get things built, but then it allows no user input to let users avoid installing software that they either have no ise for, or do not want for other reasons. I have enough input now, so I'm going ahead and coding up the Makefile mods to allow my system, but it looks somewhat like the Gentoo Portage USE flags system. Not identical, and I am only proposing to use their USE flags, not the rest (I very much like using Makefiles as FreeBSD ports does, and wouldn't change that.) If you want to see what it is, go look at recent postings on ports list. It'll probably get changed, as I get something for folks to look at and discuss. USE flags are a pain in the ass (former Gentoo user of 3 years). Introducing that type of complexity into a ports system isn't necessary and does unexpected things at times for end-users when developers change variable names or behavior, which happened quite often with Gentoo. make config-all or something similar to have people fill in their desired config info in all of the ncurses config sections would however be a much better idea I think.. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ports with GUI configs
Garrett Cooper wrote: Chuck Robey wrote: RW wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:14:02 -0800 Mark D. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vince wrote: Ashley Moran wrote: Hi I was just wondering, what is the motivation behind the GUI configuration for some ports? Simply put, they drive me up the wall. I've lost count of the number of times I've come back to a big install to find it hanging on a config screen. Possibly I'm missing something. I agree though, I often suffer the same problem, coming back after a few hours to a build that should have finished to find its sitting on the first dependency. Maybe it's been suggested before (in which case I add my vote) but a timeout mechanism would solve this... give the user 10s to provide a keypress else bailout and use the default options. That would involve standing-over the build for hours or days in case you miss a 10-second window - it's just not practical IMO. Setting the menus is pretty easy to script, and you can also set BATCH to take the default options A suggestion I recently made on the ports list would, as a side effect, make a better solution. You see, allowing a default timer does get things built, but then it allows no user input to let users avoid installing software that they either have no ise for, or do not want for other reasons. I have enough input now, so I'm going ahead and coding up the Makefile mods to allow my system, but it looks somewhat like the Gentoo Portage USE flags system. Not identical, and I am only proposing to use their USE flags, not the rest (I very much like using Makefiles as FreeBSD ports does, and wouldn't change that.) If you want to see what it is, go look at recent postings on ports list. It'll probably get changed, as I get something for folks to look at and discuss. USE flags are a pain in the ass (former Gentoo user of 3 years). Introducing that type of complexity into a ports system isn't necessary and does unexpected things at times for end-users when developers change variable names or behavior, which happened quite often with Gentoo. make config-all or something similar to have people fill in their desired config info in all of the ncurses config sections would however be a much better idea I think.. -Garrett Are you talking about make config-recursive? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 7.0 install
Chad Albert wrote: I have downloaded the 7.0 beta 2 ISO file for i386. I am trying to install it on an ASUS G1S laptop. 6.2 works very nicely all except support for the WIFI card (Intel 4965AGN). When I insert the Install CD and start going through the steps, it seems as if every key I press sends a ctrl key with it. When I choose to create a partition it just pops up and aks if I would like to abort or restart the install. Has anybody else seen this? I don't see a report of it anywhere, but I thought I would ask here before submitting a pr. TIA -- Chad Albert, MCSE, MCP+I I'd follow the suggestion made by RW and be sure to report this issue after looking at the following directions: http://www.freebsd.org/support/bugreports.html. Cheers, -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer
On Nov 12, 2007, at 7:38 AM, Brian McCann wrote: Hi all. I'm sure some of you have seen this, and I'm looking for some advice. I've got 2 servers now that will completely lockup (one is 6.1-p4, the other 6.2-p7), and just display this on the console: swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 33, size: 4096 It repeats and continues to be frozen until I reboot the machine. It means that the swap system was unable to retrieve info from the disk in a reasonable period of time, and generally is a strong sign that the disk drive is in the final stages of failing. Running smartmonutils or a manufacturer's test utility is recommended -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cups-base upgrade and samba
According to my portaudit, cups-base has security problems, and I can't get samba going because of it. http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/portaudit/8dd9722c-8e97-11dc-b8f6-001c2514716c.html According to the above URL, this problem affects v1.3.4, and 1.3.3_1 is the latest port, from the CVSUP I did today, and it errors out when doing a 'portupgrad -aRr' Seems I can't get there from here. Any suggestions on how to move forward with this? Kurt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ports with GUI configs
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:04:12 +0200 Manolis Kiagias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RW wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:14:02 -0800 Setting the menus is pretty easy to script, and you can also set BATCH to take the default options And in fact you can make all these screens appear before actually compiling: make config-recursive (select all wanted options) make install clean (no more questions asked) Yes, but that doesn't work if you are doing a portupgrade -a, you then need to wrap the makes in a simple script, which is what I was referring to. Portmaster has something like this built-in. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Claws+spamd: No spam is detected
ah - must read better, thought you said clam ;-) try the claws users email list.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Martin On Nov 12, 2007 8:15 AM, Bahman M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-11-11 Martin Hepworth wrote: HI you need to tell the MTA to pass email through spamassassin/clamav somehow. Depending on what you're MTA is (sendmail/exim/postfix etc) its different. try sendmail spamassassin for example in google.. -- martin On Nov 11, 2007 4:13 PM, Bahman M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have Claws-Mail and spamd installed (from ports) and although I have been using this combination -I've been been manually marking all spams as 'spam'- for more than 2 months, still _no_ spam message is detected. I've followed the instructions on Claws/spamd wiki. I've got the followings in /etc/rc.conf: spamd_enable=YES spamd_flags=-C /usr/local/etc/spamd -i 127.0.0.1 -p 783 -u spamd -d -l Also Claws configuration parameters exactly match the spamd_flags above. System information: % uname -a FreeBSD attila 6.2-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p7 #2: Fri Sep 7 14:23:40 IRST 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/HELIUM i386 % spamd -V SpamAssassin Server version 3.2.3 running on Perl 5.8.8 with SSL support (IO::Socket::SSL 1.08) with zlib support (Compress::Zlib 2.006) % claws-mail --version Claws Mail version 3.0.0 What am I doing wrong? What should I do to enable Claws/spamd detect spam? I'd appreciate any hint/help. You mean spam doesn't get detected unless I run a MTA -configured to pass emails to spamd? I thought Claws could communicate with spamd on its own without any need to a MTA (corrections?). -- Bahman Movaqar Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -Benjamin Franklin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: One Laptop Per Child
On Mon, Nov 12, 2007, Pollywog wrote: On Monday 12 November 2007 19:06:28 Chuck Robey wrote: I wish it wasn't this way. Maybe it's just in the schools I visited? If so, anyone have a better experience? Until I hear of some, I won't contribute to any computers for kids deal, because it only benefits big computer companies, who sell the machines, not the kids. It is true that the companies that sell computers and software benefit, but the same could be said of companies that sell state-approved textbooks to schools (if you have seen those textbooks you know what I mean), the companies that sell shoes for sports, etc. There is one large software company that gives some software to schools and then gets a tax cut even though it benefits down the line when those kids grow up to buy that company's software because that is the software they know. The biggest problem I see with computers in classrooms is that they distract the student's attention from the teacher. I know that I have to back away from my computer completely when talking on the phone, unless I'm doing direct support at the time, because I find myself distracted from the conversation. I'll leave it at that as I don't want to take this in the direction of government schools as indoctrination centers. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 We shouldn't elect a President; we should elect a magician. Will Rogers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PF, bridge, states and window scaling problem
Hello all, I seem to have quite a problem with PF. I have set up a bridge to shape my upstream traffic. I use ALTQ with hfsc discipline; but that's not really important. My problem comes with the filter rules. I have to use keep state because of the speed benefits (really I don't have a choice), but PF has a problem when the clients passing traffic through the bridge use TCP window scaling. Here is an example of four filter rules that I thought should work to pass the traffic from one client through the bridge and create a state: pass in quick on vlan0 from any to anIP/32 pass out quick on vlan0 from anIP/32 to any keep state queue ul_client pass in quick on vlan1 from anIP/32 to any pass out quick on vlan1 from any to anIP/32 keep state queue dl_client The above rules generate state-mismatches. I thought that would be because pf doesn't see the SYN packet, although it does (one of the out rules) and should create the state then... I tried writing all the rules with keep state (even the inbound ones) but then nothing would work at all. My intention was to create if-bound states, but I switched back to floating states in the hope that pf would associate the state created by an outbound rule with the traffic returning on another interface of the bridge; still didn't work. I have read the man page for if_bridge and set the following sysctl variables: net.link.bridge.pfil_onlyip: 1 net.link.bridge.pfil_bridge: 0 net.link.bridge.pfil_member: 1 I have also read some posts on the web that said that pf simply doesn't have all the hooks necesary to do the filtering inbound and outbound, but reading the pfil man page I seem to disaggree with that. Has anyone encountered the same problem? And, more important: if i give up the bridge setup and switch to routing, would that have any effect? I.E: will I then be able to use keep state with the inbound rules? Any help at all would be hugely appreciated as I am trying for about a week to sort out this problem and can't seem to get any closer. The only solution was to kindly ask my clients using TCP window scaling (Vista mostly) to turn off this feature... Now I am seriously considering bumping my bridge to a router but I am not sure that the problem will be solved then. Oh, here is the setup of the bridge from rc.conf, although there shouldn't be any problems there (the bridge works fine without pf, or with pf stateless): # # Core: em2 - vlan1 # Border: em1 - vlan0 # Bridge0 vlan0 -- vlan1 # cloned_interfaces=bridge0 vlan0 vlan1 ifconfig_em0=up ifconfig_em1=up ifconfig_em2=up ifconfig_vlan0=vlan 132 vlandev em1 up ifconfig_vlan1=vlan 132 vlandev em2 up ifconfig_bridge0=addm vlan0 addm vlan1 up # Admin iface ifconfig_em0=inet adminIP netmask 255.255.255.0 Regards, Costin Alupului ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ports with GUI configs
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:18:50 -0500 Chuck Robey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Setting the menus is pretty easy to script, and you can also set BATCH to take the default options A suggestion I recently made on the ports list would, as a side effect, make a better solution. I don't see why it would. It wouldn't eliminate the config screens - many, if not most, of the existing options couldn't be handled like that. I find the config screens to be a useful way of keeping on top of new functionality, and it's pretty trivial to get them out of the way at the start of an upgrade. All that's really needed is to add this feature (that portmaster already has) to portupgrade. What I've found to be a more awkward problem is ports with interactive deinstall scripts. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
freebsd-update fetching files failed
How can I troubleshoot these errors below? * The tool does report anything useful other than failed. * There does not appear to be a logfile for failures. * There does not appear to be any debug options. Also, /var/db/freebsd-update # freebsd-update fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 1 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. Preparing to download files... done. Fetching 18 patches. done. Applying patches... done. Fetching 17 files... failed. # freebsd-update fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 1 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. Preparing to download files... done. Fetching 16 patches. done. Applying patches... done. Fetching 15 files... failed. Copyright (c) 1992-2007 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 11:05:30 UTC 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz (2790.72-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0xf29 Stepping = 9 Features = 0xbfebfbff FPU ,VME ,DE ,PSE ,TSC ,MSR ,PAE ,MCE ,CX8 ,APIC ,SEP ,MTRR ,PGE ,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE Yes, I patched freebsd-update according to: http://security.freebsd.org/advisories/FreeBSD-EN-07:05.freebsd-update.asc ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Claws+spamd: No spam is detected
On 2007-11-12 Martin Hepworth wrote: ah - must read better, thought you said clam ;-) try the claws users email list.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Martin On Nov 12, 2007 8:15 AM, Bahman M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-11-11 Martin Hepworth wrote: HI you need to tell the MTA to pass email through spamassassin/clamav somehow. Depending on what you're MTA is (sendmail/exim/postfix etc) its different. try sendmail spamassassin for example in google.. -- martin On Nov 11, 2007 4:13 PM, Bahman M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have Claws-Mail and spamd installed (from ports) and although I have been using this combination -I've been been manually marking all spams as 'spam'- for more than 2 months, still _no_ spam message is detected. I've followed the instructions on Claws/spamd wiki. I've got the followings in /etc/rc.conf: spamd_enable=YES spamd_flags=-C /usr/local/etc/spamd -i 127.0.0.1 -p 783 -u spamd -d -l Also Claws configuration parameters exactly match the spamd_flags above. System information: % uname -a FreeBSD attila 6.2-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p7 #2: Fri Sep 7 14:23:40 IRST 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/HELIUM i386 % spamd -V SpamAssassin Server version 3.2.3 running on Perl 5.8.8 with SSL support (IO::Socket::SSL 1.08) with zlib support (Compress::Zlib 2.006) % claws-mail --version Claws Mail version 3.0.0 What am I doing wrong? What should I do to enable Claws/spamd detect spam? I'd appreciate any hint/help. You mean spam doesn't get detected unless I run a MTA -configured to pass emails to spamd? I thought Claws could communicate with spamd on its own without any need to a MTA (corrections?). Will do. Thanks, -- Bahman Movaqar One who is allowed to sin, sins less. -Ovid ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: One Laptop Per Child
Pollywog wrote: On Monday 12 November 2007 19:06:28 Chuck Robey wrote: I wish it wasn't this way. Maybe it's just in the schools I visited? If so, anyone have a better experience? Until I hear of some, I won't contribute to any computers for kids deal, because it only benefits big computer companies, who sell the machines, not the kids. It is true that the companies that sell computers and software benefit, but the same could be said of companies that sell state-approved textbooks to schools (if you have seen those textbooks you know what I mean), the companies that sell shoes for sports, etc. There is one large software company that gives some software to schools and then gets a tax cut even though it benefits down the line when those kids grow up to buy that company's software because that is the software they know. Yeah, but in this case, I know more: a lady friend of mine was an editor for a large educational publishing house. Those places (and more specifically the folks that work in them) are rather embarrassed at having to put all that garbage into state textbooks, but the state boards of education require it. They don't want to do it, but they have to, to be able to sell their product. The local state officials are at fault here, not the companies nor those who work for them. I used to listen by the hour to complaints about the stupidity and cupidity of those state officials, from that lady. I still think it is better for kids to know how to use computers, even if a few business people also benefit. Hmm. Several of the classes I walked into were disappointing to me, where the kids were made to feel good at being able to play computer games well. If you think that's good for kids, it's your money, I suppose. The teachers were given no training whatever in computers, so they had no ability to do better. I would not contribute to such an item. A program that produces better educational software, that I could see, but not giving computers to schools, that is very counter-productive. Let them eat Doom! I think we should move this to FreeBSD-chat. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ports with GUI configs
[LoN]Kamikaze wrote: Garrett Cooper wrote: Chuck Robey wrote: RW wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:14:02 -0800 Mark D. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vince wrote: Ashley Moran wrote: Hi I was just wondering, what is the motivation behind the GUI configuration for some ports? Simply put, they drive me up the wall. I've lost count of the number of times I've come back to a big install to find it hanging on a config screen. Possibly I'm missing something. I agree though, I often suffer the same problem, coming back after a few hours to a build that should have finished to find its sitting on the first dependency. Maybe it's been suggested before (in which case I add my vote) but a timeout mechanism would solve this... give the user 10s to provide a keypress else bailout and use the default options. That would involve standing-over the build for hours or days in case you miss a 10-second window - it's just not practical IMO. Setting the menus is pretty easy to script, and you can also set BATCH to take the default options A suggestion I recently made on the ports list would, as a side effect, make a better solution. You see, allowing a default timer does get things built, but then it allows no user input to let users avoid installing software that they either have no ise for, or do not want for other reasons. I have enough input now, so I'm going ahead and coding up the Makefile mods to allow my system, but it looks somewhat like the Gentoo Portage USE flags system. Not identical, and I am only proposing to use their USE flags, not the rest (I very much like using Makefiles as FreeBSD ports does, and wouldn't change that.) If you want to see what it is, go look at recent postings on ports list. It'll probably get changed, as I get something for folks to look at and discuss. USE flags are a pain in the ass (former Gentoo user of 3 years). Introducing that type of complexity into a ports system isn't necessary and does unexpected things at times for end-users when developers change variable names or behavior, which happened quite often with Gentoo. make config-all or something similar to have people fill in their desired config info in all of the ncurses config sections would however be a much better idea I think.. -Garrett Are you talking about make config-recursive? Yes =\. Lemme guess.. that's already an option :)? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd-update fetching files failed
My apologies to the list. Mail.app and Gmail IMAP don't play well together. Apparently every time Mail.app auto saves a draft copy, gmail sends the email. That's bad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
Bahman M. writes: On 2007-11-12 Olivier Nicole wrote: That is a difficult issue, while this is an opportunity, I doubt this is the most needed thing to provide education. We are talking giving laptop to people who do not even have electricity in some cases... I second the idea. No doubt that OLPC is a great effort but I wonder how such ideas will be useful in 3rd world countries where the IT infrastructures are so poor that even dial-up Internet is not available in some towns, let alone villages and rural regions. I try to be not cynic but there are so many problems in education system that learning how to use a computer has a low priority. The problem I have always had with this is computer use does not exist in a vacuum; it changes, and is changed by, the society in which it happens. If I look at the countries of the first world, I see places that have walked the path from the written word to the telegraph to the telephone to the computer. At each step they've tested the new technology, learning what it can and cannot do, discovering stuff the inventors never even imagined, discarding ideas that are techically problematic or culturally unpalatable, and adapting to it as it adapted to them. Now consider dropping 100,000 OLPC on a country where the (median and mode) hardware layer is paper and ink, the government - often autocratic and kleptocratic - cannot manage to install and run a 1950's era phone system, and religious leaders fulminate against imunization as a foreign plot. Even under the best of circumstaces exactly what do people reasoaly expect to happen? Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
watchdog timeout (missed Tx interrupts) on 7-BETA2(i386)
Hi all, $ uname -a FreeBSD torus.slightlystrange.org 7.0-BETA2 FreeBSD 7.0-BETA2 #0: Sun Nov 11 00:34:39 GMT 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/TORUS i386 nfe0: NVIDIA nForce4 CK804 MCP9 Networking Adapter port 0xe400-0xe407 mem 0xf0105000-0xf0105fff irq 10 at device 10.0 on pci0 I'm seeing a lot of these: nfe0: watchdog timeout (missed Tx interrupts) -- recovering when the system is under heavy network load (my ports distfiles are NFS mounted from another box, so trying to extract, e.g., the OpenOffice source, is enough to cripple the box). When the demand for network resources has calmed down again, it usually comes back up without any further intervention. My kernel is simply a pared-down version of GENERIC (that is, I have only removed drivers that I don't need, and have added nothing to it). The same device worked adequately under 6.2-RELEASE with the nve driver. It is only since moving to 7-BETA2 and its default nfe driver that the problem has manifested. Google shows that other people have had similar problems with the nfe driver, but under 6.2-RELEASE on i386 and amd64, and no real solutions are offered up in the archives (none that I found, anyway). I saw a couple of suggestions that it might be down to the device sharing and interrupt channel, but that's not the case here: vmstat -i interrupt total rate irq0: clk2709144 1000 irq1: atkbd0 10079 3 irq5: nvidia0+192988 71 irq6: fdc011 0 irq8: rtc 346692128 irq10: nfe0+3300 1 irq11: pcm0 ohci0+ 93174 34 irq15: ata1 22 0 Total3355410 1239 If they're of any use or interest: dmesg - http://catflap.slightlystrange.org/dmesg.txt pciconf -vl- http://catflap.slightlystrange.org/pciconf-l-v.txt kernel config - http://catflap.slightlystrange.org/kernel.txt sysctl -a - http://catflap.slightlystrange.org/sysctl-a.txt I would appreciate any insights or hints as to what I might do to fix this. Many thanks for your time, Dan -- Daniel Bye _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ pgpvQY4Lfxq55.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Ports with GUI configs
Garrett Cooper wrote: If you want to see what it is, go look at recent postings on ports list. It'll probably get changed, as I get something for folks to look at and discuss. USE flags are a pain in the ass (former Gentoo user of 3 years). Introducing that type of complexity into a ports system isn't necessary and does unexpected things at times for end-users when developers change variable names or behavior, which happened quite often with Gentoo. make config-all or something similar to have people fill in their desired config info in all of the ncurses config sections would however be a much better idea I think.. -Garrett Good point. My main drive is to stop asking users to OK dependencies to specific pieces of software (which most users haven't the least idea about), and also to move the gathering of data out of ports-compile-time and into system-install-time (perhaps with an update feature as hardware changes). The way that Gentoo did it, if followed slavishly, yes, I agree it would just leaad to more confusion. I got the feeling that you are asking for a ncurses sort of app, that would gather data, and tjhen be used to control the setting of dependencies? Is that right? I would think that the linkage between the program amd the ports could be a list like the Gentoo USE lists, but without any direct interface to it, so building and maintaining the list becomes the responsibility of the program and not clueless users. That more what you see? I could live with that quiurte easily. But, such a system is more than could be written directly either in Make or using sh ... I mean, you _could_ use sh, but the software would be too complicated to maintain. Could I use some tool? I would not exactly love doing it in C, but I guess I could do that (I'd rather use something like Python, but it's not available in the base, and I think I would want this available at system install time. Please, comment more, I think I like the way you're driving this, so let me see if I have really gotten your idea. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ports with GUI configs
Garrett Cooper wrote: [LoN]Kamikaze wrote: Garrett Cooper wrote: USE flags are a pain in the ass (former Gentoo user of 3 years). Introducing that type of complexity into a ports system isn't necessary and does unexpected things at times for end-users when developers change variable names or behavior, which happened quite often with Gentoo. make config-all or something similar to have people fill in their desired config info in all of the ncurses config sections would however be a much better idea I think.. -Garrett Are you talking about make config-recursive? Yes =\. Lemme guess.. that's already an option :)? I hope not. We really need to move this out of being a ports buildtime thing. Currently, to build ports in batch either requires someone to be chained to the computer, so as to intercept all those screens, or to simply agree to install everything, with no inpput whatever. These are both bad options. Also, asking users to pick if a particular piece of software, one that they most liely have never heard of, can be used, is not a particularly good way to get the info either. Gentoo's idea of a USE list has some good points, and some bad points. The worst part is that keeping that USE list corect is too damn difficult. BUT if we made that list private, so be manipulated solely by a more intelligent program, one that could ask better quetions, and let that maintain the list, that would stop the ports-build-time interruptions, and also make things much much easier for users, even technical users, to administer. Just don't let folks need to maintain that list themselves. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Error installing plone
Hi all, I'm trying to install on Freebsd 6.3 plone from ports. I keep geting the error message libtool: link: `gscanner.lo' is not a valid libtool object gmake[4]: *** [libglib.la] Error 1 gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/devel/pkg-config/work/pkg-config-0.22/glib-1.2.8' gmake[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/devel/pkg-config/work/pkg-config-0.22/glib-1.2.8' gmake[2]: *** [all] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/devel/pkg-config/work/pkg-config-0.22/glib-1.2.8' gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/devel/pkg-config/work/pkg-config-0.22' gmake: *** [all] Error 2 *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/pkg-config. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/xproto. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/libXau. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/libX11. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/tk84. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-tkinter. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/py-imaging. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/py-imaging. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/plone. Thanks BSD Networking, Microsoft Notworking ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ports with GUI configs
On November 12, 2007 at 03:14PM RW wrote: [ ... ] Yes, but that doesn't work if you are doing a portupgrade -a, you then need to wrap the makes in a simple script, which is what I was referring to. Portmaster has something like this built-in. From man PORTUPGRADE(1): -- batchRun an upgrading process in a batch mode (with BATCH=yes) -- Gerard It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But the half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor. Neil Gaiman ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cups-base upgrade and samba
On November 12, 2007 at 02:42PM Kurt Buff wrote: According to my portaudit, cups-base has security problems, and I can't get samba going because of it. http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/portaudit/8dd9722c-8e97-11dc-b8f6-001c2514716c.html According to the above URL, this problem affects v1.3.4, and 1.3.3_1 is the latest port, from the CVSUP I did today, and it errors out when doing a 'portupgrad -aRr' Seems I can't get there from here. Any suggestions on how to move forward with this? Have you tried adding the following to your /etc/make.conf file? DISABLE_VULNERABILITIES=yes -- Gerard No matter how rich you become, how famous or powerful, when you die the size of your funeral will still pretty much depend on the weather. Michael Pritchard ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:56:34 -0500 Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem I have always had with this is computer use does not exist in a vacuum; it changes, and is changed by, the society in which it happens. If I look at the countries of the first world, I see places that have walked the path from the written word to the telegraph to the telephone to the computer. At each step they've tested the new technology, learning what it can and cannot do, discovering stuff the inventors never even imagined, discarding ideas that are techically problematic or culturally unpalatable, and adapting to it as it adapted to them. Now consider dropping 100,000 OLPC on a country where the (median and mode) hardware layer is paper and ink, the government - often autocratic and kleptocratic - cannot manage to install and run a 1950's era phone system, and religious leaders fulminate against imunization as a foreign plot. Even under the best of circumstaces exactly what do people reasoaly expect to happen? In my opinion you underestimate the abilities of people. There is no need for the people of the third world countries to evolve as we did. One only needs to look at the progress made in China over the last few decades. People who never had a telephone, facsimile, radio or in some cases even books are now using cell phones, computers and televisions. China is becoming more capitalistic, if not democratic, not because the government wants it to but because it has to. The people are more knowledgeable about the rest of the world because of the new ways of communication. If only one percent of the 100,000 laptops in your above example were to fall into hands of some child who is awakened to a new world then that is 1,000 children who will grow up and help change that country. As someone else stated, It's my money. I have completed the give one, get one order form. I hope my laptop is sent to a worthy child but if not so be it. I have not decided what to do with the one that I receive. My grand daughter is only 3 and I think that is a little to young. I will probably give the laptop to one of my great nieces. Robert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ports with GUI configs
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:10:29 -0500 Chuck Robey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope not. We really need to move this out of being a ports buildtime thing. Currently, to build ports in batch either requires someone to be chained to the computer, so as to intercept all those screens, or to simply agree to install everything, with no inpput whatever. That's not correct, you can run make config-conditional or make config-recursive anytime you like. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cups-base upgrade and samba
On Nov 12, 2007 1:36 PM, Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On November 12, 2007 at 02:42PM Kurt Buff wrote: According to my portaudit, cups-base has security problems, and I can't get samba going because of it. http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/portaudit/8dd9722c-8e97-11dc-b8f6-001c2514716c.html According to the above URL, this problem affects v1.3.4, and 1.3.3_1 is the latest port, from the CVSUP I did today, and it errors out when doing a 'portupgrad -aRr' Seems I can't get there from here. Any suggestions on how to move forward with this? Have you tried adding the following to your /etc/make.conf file? DISABLE_VULNERABILITIES=yes -- Gerard Well, that certainly seems to work, but... I'm out of luck on security until someone updates the port, correct? Kurt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Error installing plone
Monah Baki wrote: Hi all, I'm trying to install on Freebsd 6.3 plone from ports. I keep geting the error message libtool: link: `gscanner.lo' is not a valid libtool object gmake[4]: *** [libglib.la] Error 1 gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/devel/pkg-config/work/pkg-config-0.22/glib-1.2.8' gmake[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/devel/pkg-config/work/pkg-config-0.22/glib-1.2.8' gmake[2]: *** [all] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/devel/pkg-config/work/pkg-config-0.22/glib-1.2.8' gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/devel/pkg-config/work/pkg-config-0.22' gmake: *** [all] Error 2 *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/pkg-config. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/xproto. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/libXau. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/libX11. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/tk84. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-tkinter. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/py-imaging. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/py-imaging. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/plone. This is more a workaround than a solution, but you don't need the X11 libraries to run plone. Try putting WITHOUT_X11=yes in your make.conf. Erik ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cups-base upgrade and samba
I just upgraded my cups-base install to 1.3.3_1, and ran into similar issues at first. Try: portaudit -F to upgrade your audit database. I believe portaudit originally thought 1.3.3_1 fell into the affected versions, but looks to be the fixed version in the latest database. http://www.freshports.org/print/cups-base/ Good Luck. --_Dave ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ports with GUI configs
RW schrieb: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:10:29 -0500 Chuck Robey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope not. We really need to move this out of being a ports buildtime thing. Currently, to build ports in batch either requires someone to be chained to the computer, so as to intercept all those screens, or to simply agree to install everything, with no inpput whatever. That's not correct, you can run make config-conditional or make config-recursive anytime you like. But not on a portupgrade... I don't want to run config-recursive on the whole ports tree though ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ports with GUI configs
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:25:47 -0500 Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On November 12, 2007 at 03:14PM RW wrote: [ ... ] Yes, but that doesn't work if you are doing a portupgrade -a, you then need to wrap the makes in a simple script, which is what I was referring to. Portmaster has something like this built-in. From man PORTUPGRADE(1): -- batchRun an upgrading process in a batch mode (with BATCH=yes) Yes, I already wrote: .. and you can also set BATCH to take the default options but BATCH is a kludge if you actually want the options screens, but don't want builds interrupted. Much better to do the make configs separately in one go. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cups-base upgrade and samba
On Tuesday 13 November 2007 00:53:22 Kurt Buff wrote: On Nov 12, 2007 1:36 PM, Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On November 12, 2007 at 02:42PM Kurt Buff wrote: According to my portaudit, cups-base has security problems, and I can't get samba going because of it. http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/portaudit/8dd9722c-8e97-11dc-b8f6-001c2514 716c.html According to the above URL, this problem affects v1.3.4, and 1.3.3_1 is the latest port, from the CVSUP I did today, and it errors out when doing a 'portupgrad -aRr' Seems I can't get there from here. Any suggestions on how to move forward with this? Have you tried adding the following to your /etc/make.conf file? DISABLE_VULNERABILITIES=yes -- Gerard Well, that certainly seems to work, but... I'm out of luck on security until someone updates the port, correct? Kurt It is already patched, please see http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/cvs-ports/2007-November/137633.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/cvs-ports/2007-November/137639.html Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
Kevin Kinsey wrote: Chuck Robey wrote: I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ That is a difficult issue, while this is an opportunity, I doubt this is the most needed thing to provide education. We are talking giving laptop to people who do not even have electricity in some cases... You ought to actually _visit_ one or more of the schools that have practical computers for the kids. At least in my own experience, well, it's very disillusioning. The teachers have only a vague notion about what a compuiter is, so basically the students are given some games to waste their time with, and graded on how quiet they are while playing. The teachers themselves are usually actually frightened of the machines, so they react negatively to anyone who volunteers to teach computers. I wish it wasn't this way. Maybe it's just in the schools I visited? If so, anyone have a better experience? Until I hear of some, I won't contribute to any computers for kids deal, because it only benefits big computer companies, who sell the machines, not the kids. I'd say that it is possible your observations have clued you in on a large problem. Of course, it's likely not that way everywhere, but one result of a lack of teacher education re: computers is that people tend to think that they are computer literate if they can handle an office suite and use a pointy-clicky interface to build web pages --- which explains a few things about the culture at large. Another problem is that use of the Internet for research in writing papers, etc. often misses the crucial old school step of actually writing notes based on the books your read before you begin the paper. Recently I read a report by a 9th grader that was composed mostly of direct quotes from Wikipedia, et al, with no attribution whatsoever. Copy n Paste may work in elementary art classes, but it's no good in academic research unless great pains are taken to ensure understanding and proper attribution. And, this may be near the real heart of the issue. I don't think that many school administrators feel that games, educational or not, are the reason that schools should have computers. I think that, in large extent, computers were added when some of them discovered that the Internet could give you more volumes of information than the school library, without leaving your seat or requiring a hall pass. And that is why teachers should be a little more geeky, perhaps. Plugging a child's computer into the network without knowledgeable and *personal* guidance will pretty much guarantee that most kids end up on the baser end of the 'Net, rather than the best. And, for the most part, teachers are no less busy than they were 10, 20, or 30 years ago. My $.02, Kevin Kinsey Could you guys please redirect this discussion to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks... -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Beastie 3D-rendered
Steve Bertrand schrieb: cpghost wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:50:40 + Tino Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tilolit.de/images/tb/wallpapers/teufel.jpg [snip] Nevertheless I can check out the author (he is german, too) and ask him about the license issues... It would be *really* great if the author not only agreed to put the rendering under a permissive license, but also considered releasing and licensing the (graphics/povray?) source code too. I'd love to experiment a little bit with that! ;) Anyway, whatever comes out of it, kudos for the great find! :-))) Amen to that! I just would like to put it on my desktop/use it legally! Seriously, if someone here can gain the free rights to it and pass it along, then we all can say 'yay beastie!'. /* will keep hidden on desktop * until told not to. * Would be nice if someone says * that we can use it!!! */ Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I wrote the owner of the webpage, he told from where he copied the file. I wrote the owner of the other webpage, but he does not know, where it is from. It has just been send in by mail, that's how he gets his wallpapers... So the more original source of the picture is http://www.bilderpilot.de/pages/desktopbild.php?id=1555 but there the trace has to stop. What a pity, but I do not think that any more could be done. Greez, Tino ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flash: linux firefox vs linuxpluginwrapper
Aryeh M. Friedman schrieb:
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I posed a similar question on this list a short time ago. Right
now, the only 'Flash' working on either Linux or native is Flash 7,
which does not work on many sites. To get Flash 9, you need to use
wine under freebsd and install the windows version of Firefox. I
have been told that this solution works fine out of the box on
FreeBSD 6.2 but I have not yet confirmed.
Works right out of the box for all versions of FreeBSD 6 I just
did it on a 8-Current machine doing the following port installs in
this order:
firefox
linux-flashplugin7
acroread7
after you install acroread run nspluginwrapper -v -a -i.
So did I. When I run firefox then, I get an error message as follows:
freebsdangel# firefox
LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library
/usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/libflashplayer.so [Shared object
libdl.so.2 not found, required by libflashplayer.so]
But the library is existing:
freebsdangel# find / -name libdl.so.2
/usr/compat/linux/lib/libdl.so.2
freebsdangel#
And even adjusting the path does not help:
freebsdangel# setenv PATH ${PATH}:/usr/compat/linux/lib
The result is the same:
So basically the question is:
How can I tell FreeBSD where to find the requested lib??
Regards, Tino
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Re: flash: linux firefox vs linuxpluginwrapper
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Aryeh M. Friedman schrieb:
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I posed a similar question on this list a short time ago. Right
now, the only 'Flash' working on either Linux or native is Flash 7,
which does not work on many sites. To get Flash 9, you need to use
wine under freebsd and install the windows version of Firefox. I
have been told that this solution works fine out of the box on
FreeBSD 6.2 but I have not yet confirmed.
Works right out of the box for all versions of FreeBSD 6 I just
did it on a 8-Current machine doing the following port installs in
this order:
firefox
linux-flashplugin7
acroread7
after you install acroread run nspluginwrapper -v -a -i.
So did I. When I run firefox then, I get an error message as follows:
freebsdangel# firefox
LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library
/usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/libflashplayer.so [Shared object
libdl.so.2 not found, required by libflashplayer.so]
But the library is existing:
freebsdangel# find / -name libdl.so.2
/usr/compat/linux/lib/libdl.so.2
freebsdangel#
And even adjusting the path does not help:
freebsdangel# setenv PATH ${PATH}:/usr/compat/linux/lib
The result is the same:
So basically the question is:
How can I tell FreeBSD where to find the requested lib??
Did you do it from packages or ports?
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Re: flash: linux firefox vs linuxpluginwrapper
Tino Engel wrote:
freebsdangel# setenv PATH ${PATH}:/usr/compat/linux/lib
you are looking for LD_LIBRARY_PATH
You should do this with ldconfig so its there all the time; but use the
linux compat one, not the freebsd base system one.
The port should have done this for you.
cat /compat/linux/etc/ld.so.conf
include ld.so.conf.d/*.conf
/lib
/usr/lib
/usr/local/lib
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Re: flash: linux firefox vs linuxpluginwrapper
Aryeh M. Friedman schrieb:
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Tino Engel wrote:
Aryeh M. Friedman schrieb:
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I posed a similar question on this list a short time ago. Right
now, the only 'Flash' working on either Linux or native is Flash 7,
which does not work on many sites. To get Flash 9, you need to use
wine under freebsd and install the windows version of Firefox. I
have been told that this solution works fine out of the box on
FreeBSD 6.2 but I have not yet confirmed.
Works right out of the box for all versions of FreeBSD 6 I just
did it on a 8-Current machine doing the following port installs in
this order:
firefox
linux-flashplugin7
acroread7
after you install acroread run nspluginwrapper -v -a -i.
So did I. When I run firefox then, I get an error message as follows:
freebsdangel# firefox
LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library
/usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/libflashplayer.so [Shared object
libdl.so.2 not found, required by libflashplayer.so]
But the library is existing:
freebsdangel# find / -name libdl.so.2
/usr/compat/linux/lib/libdl.so.2
freebsdangel#
And even adjusting the path does not help:
freebsdangel# setenv PATH ${PATH}:/usr/compat/linux/lib
The result is the same:
So basically the question is:
How can I tell FreeBSD where to find the requested lib??
Did you do it from packages or ports?
From ports
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Re: cups-base upgrade and samba
-- Forwarded message -- From: Kurt Buff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Nov 12, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: Re: cups-base upgrade and samba To: David Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 12, 2007 1:30 PM, David Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just upgraded my cups-base install to 1.3.3_1, and ran into similar issues at first. Try: portaudit -F to upgrade your audit database. I believe portaudit originally thought 1.3.3_1 fell into the affected versions, but looks to be the fixed version in the latest database. http://www.freshports.org/print/cups-base/ Good Luck. --_Dave This worked, thanks. zrouter# portaudit -aF auditfile.tbz 100% of 45 kB 130 kBps New database installed. 0 problem(s) in your installed packages found. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cups-base upgrade and samba
On Nov 12, 2007 2:02 PM, Yuri Pankov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 13 November 2007 00:53:22 Kurt Buff wrote: On Nov 12, 2007 1:36 PM, Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On November 12, 2007 at 02:42PM Kurt Buff wrote: According to my portaudit, cups-base has security problems, and I can't get samba going because of it. http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/portaudit/8dd9722c-8e97-11dc-b8f6-001c2514 716c.html According to the above URL, this problem affects v1.3.4, and 1.3.3_1 is the latest port, from the CVSUP I did today, and it errors out when doing a 'portupgrad -aRr' Seems I can't get there from here. Any suggestions on how to move forward with this? Have you tried adding the following to your /etc/make.conf file? DISABLE_VULNERABILITIES=yes -- Gerard Well, that certainly seems to work, but... I'm out of luck on security until someone updates the port, correct? Kurt It is already patched, please see http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/cvs-ports/2007-November/137633.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/cvs-ports/2007-November/137639.html Yuri Excellent - Thanks so much. Kurt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
The door open and in walked trouble - disguised as our our old nemesis [EMAIL PROTECTED], who uttered, at Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 21:37 : Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:30:46 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: One Laptop Per Child To: Chuck Robey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [edited to only portions I comment upon - wjv] Chuck Robey wrote: I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ That is a difficult issue, while this is an opportunity, I doubt this is the most needed thing to provide education. We are talking giving laptop to people who do not even have electricity in some cases... You ought to actually _visit_ one or more of the schools that have practical computers for the kids. At least in my own experience, well, it's very disillusioning. The teachers have only a vague notion about what a compuiter is, so basically the students are given some games to waste their time with, and graded on how quiet they are while playing. The teachers themselves are usually actually frightened of the machines, so they react negatively to anyone who volunteers to teach computers. I wish it wasn't this way. Maybe it's just in the schools I visited? If so, anyone have a better experience? Until I hear of some, I won't contribute to any computers for kids deal, because it only benefits big computer companies, who sell the machines, not the kids. I'd say that it is possible your observations have clued you in on a large problem. Of course, it's likely not that way everywhere, but one result of a lack of teacher education re: computers is that people tend to think that they are computer literate if they can handle an office suite and use a pointy-clicky interface to build web pages --- which explains a few things about the culture at large. Education - over the time when technology started rearing it's head shortly after the turn of the second past century [eg 1900 and forward] often has looked to this technolog as the saviour of the educational environment. When radio came about it was looked upon as the way to educate million of children as radio could bring in information and perhaps experts in the field to cover what was needed. Then movies with sound came along - and the same arguments were made. Then television. Ah - now we can experts teaching children everywhere. The ulitmate talking heads experience IMO. And then color-television. That was to solve all the problems that b/w had - so you could see the colors in chemistry experiments for example. Then came the computer - with text screend. It was though that they needed graphics enviormennts. So those came about. Then it was color computers, then color computers with 3D graphics and of course sound. So for 70+ years people have seen the 'new technology' as ways to solve the problems seen or perhaps mis-seen in education. And what has it got us? Has we gotten children with better education. It seems today's studens have one of the prime goals is how to pass the FCATs and SATs. IOW they have been taught how to pass tests. They have not been educated but taught. And if when they go into the world the come across problems for which they have not been taught - they are lost because they have not been educated [a distinction I make but others may not] to understand that with which they are working and being able to figure out on their own how to solve the problem. Learning to pass tests doesn't prepare them for that. Another problem is that use of the Internet for research in writing papers, etc. often misses the crucial old school step of actually writing notes based on the books your read before you begin the paper. Recently I read a report by a 9th grader that was composed mostly of direct quotes from Wikipedia, et al, with no attribution whatsoever. Copy n Paste may work in elementary art classes, but it's no good in academic research unless great pains are taken to ensure understanding and proper attribution. And the problem with using the 'net for research is that so much of what has been printed in the past - pre-mid-90s - has not [yet] been made available for searching. Sometimes you have to go into the stacks at a decent library and pull down a book that hasn't been opening in 30 to 50 [or more] years to find the real answers to your problem. And, this may be near the real heart of the issue. I don't think that many school administrators feel that games, educational or not, are the reason that schools should have computers. I think that, in large extent, computers were added when some of them discovered that the Internet could give you more volumes of information than the school library, without leaving your seat or requiring a hall pass. And I see problems with the
Re: Ports with GUI configs
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:54:33 +0100
Tino Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
RW schrieb:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:10:29 -0500
Chuck Robey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I hope not. We really need to move this out of being a ports
buildtime thing. Currently, to build ports in batch either
requires someone to be chained to the computer, so as to intercept
all those screens, or to simply agree to install everything, with
no inpput whatever.
That's not correct, you can run make config-conditional or make
config-recursive anytime you like.
But not on a portupgrade... I don't want to run config-recursive on
the whole ports tree though
It's not hard to script it though, something like the following would do
#!/bin/sh
for p in `pkg_version -ol'' |awk '{ print $1 }'`; do
cd /usr/ports/${p} make config-recursive
done
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Re: Ports with GUI configs
Gerard wrote: On November 12, 2007 at 03:14PM RW wrote: [ ... ] Yes, but that doesn't work if you are doing a portupgrade -a, you then need to wrap the makes in a simple script, which is what I was referring to. Portmaster has something like this built-in. From man PORTUPGRADE(1): and my (twofold) point is that (1) this removes all real choices from the user, and (2) there is a perfectly good method that allows one to keep their own options, and still get all the good points of batch processing. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
6.3-PRERELEASE
Hey All, I recently CVSUPPED to what I thought would be 6.2-STABLE but instead got 6.3-PRERELEASE. However, I look at www.freebsd.org/releng and I see no reference to the release cycle of 6.3. Was this a mistake of some sort? -Dan -- Man, this is such a trip -Dan Mahoney, October 25, 1997 Dan Mahoney Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ports with GUI configs
RW wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:10:29 -0500 Chuck Robey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope not. We really need to move this out of being a ports buildtime thing. Currently, to build ports in batch either requires someone to be chained to the computer, so as to intercept all those screens, or to simply agree to install everything, with no inpput whatever. This discussion has unfortunately jumped out or ports (wjhere I believe it should have been) to questions, so I have to re-state stuff I've already said. Darn. Well. I want to explain one of the most important features. First thing, I have to stress I m talking about my writing a character-based tool that carefully guides the user into making the best choice of a limited set of words, to describe their chosen machine environment. I'm NOT going to ask (as Gentoo does) the user to select their own set of words. Gentoo expends damn little help on installation in general, and more specifically, on the maintenance of their USE lists. Their concept of the USE lists is what's important, not their implementation. Let me give a real-life example. In doing a database of users, you would normally include a file (or lookup table) of state names abbreviations. This isn't because you're confused about the spelling of Ohio, it's so that, in sorting, you don't jhave to deal with 14 different ways to abbreviate Missouri. You want to be able to sort on one spelling, and not lose half of your Missourian users because they can't agree on a spelling, you want to limit what they use to define their state. OK, you (as programmers) must understand that concept, and the machine environment keyword descriptions (I need a good name for them, and I don't want to use USE because Gentoo uses it, and I don't want to be misunderstood as being the same thing as Gentoo). If I make a nice database-like program that helps out a user in choosing the best way to describe their system goals, using a limited set of standard words, and set it up so this is done as part of installation. This makes a little file of descriptor words, but it's not set so a regular editor can manipulate it; the special ports program is needed to set or reset this list. All ports query this list in making the decision as to whether or whether not to include a particular port as a dependency. OK, the good things that accrue from this: 1) list items are always presented right alongside the verbal definitions of what each word semantically means in context. People could still get it screwed up, but that would certainly happen less often. 2) because the number of choices is limited to those on the list, and new items must be filtered thru the ports-management, getting the names wrong or confused is under far better control. There will no longer be 6 ways to define Music program with mp3's only.Adding a particular option to that music program, say, adding ability to play back AAC songs, would just mean adding the correct keyword. This would allow, some time in the future (not something I'm immediately considering) to do a global scan, with adding some new keyword, to bring one's entire system back up to date. This is not possible today. 2) Since choices are made one per each machine particular, the number of choices is less that a tenth the size of a list of the peer-port dependency choices, setting this up in advance becomes a task that is quite reasonable todo in advance of building all ports. Currently, the sheer idea of setting all options in advance is ridiculous. 3) Choices are made of items that can easily be performed by users without extensive documentation. Trying to inform users of the actual meaning of each and every one of the currently used dependency options would be too complicated a task to expect all users to be able to do this. Informing them of the setup for their particular machine is a far smaller task, one that is small enough to contemplate performing. Describing this in another way, the options will be defined by function, and no longer by the name of the software. 4) Since dependencies are listed by machine environment, and not by port, adding a new port with a correct optioned set of dependencies becomes far more reasonable: merely grep out all ports with a particular set of keywords, and then a ports-writer knows perfectly well what ports they would need to consider as dependency choices. Doing it now, is largely a matter of luck. I left out one last point there will be a reject list: a list of port names or regular expression patters, of ports that can't be installed under any circumstances. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ports with GUI configs
RW wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:54:33 +0100
Tino Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
RW schrieb:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:10:29 -0500
Chuck Robey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I hope not. We really need to move this out of being a ports
buildtime thing. Currently, to build ports in batch either
requires someone to be chained to the computer, so as to intercept
all those screens, or to simply agree to install everything, with
no inpput whatever.
That's not correct, you can run make config-conditional or make
config-recursive anytime you like.
But not on a portupgrade... I don't want to run config-recursive on
the whole ports tree though
It's not hard to script it though, something like the following would do
#!/bin/sh
for p in `pkg_version -ol'' |awk '{ print $1 }'`; do
cd /usr/ports/${p} make config-recursive
done
I can't believe you actually suggested this. First thing, it would take
you HOURS to complete, and you better not make even one mistake, 'cause
you couldn't even go back far enough to figure out what the name was of
the port you muffed. Beyond that, since most ports ask questions formed
with the name of the target dependency, aznd not asking things like do
you want such-and-such capability, so you have to be conversant with
the names and capabilities of nearly 10,000 ports, to be able to do that
job.
Were you really seriously suggesting this. It's so unworkable, its
laughable.
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apache: you don't have acess to /
I just rsync'd a bunch of directories from an old backup on top of my web root, which was functional a minute ago. Ok, so I admit that was stupid. Suddenly, 'no acess to / on this server'. No problem, I just chmod -R 775, right? Only that didn't work, now I'm pretty much stuck Best, Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PF, bridge, states and window scaling problem
On 22:08:03 Nov 12, Alupului Costin wrote: I seem to have quite a problem with PF. I have set up a bridge to shape my upstream traffic. I use ALTQ with hfsc discipline; but that's not really important. My problem comes with the filter rules. I have to use keep state because of the speed benefits (really I don't have a choice), One should always keep state. but PF has a problem when the clients passing traffic through the bridge use TCP window scaling. Here is an example of four filter rules that I thought should work to pass the traffic from one client through the bridge and create a state: pass in quick on vlan0 from any to anIP/32 pass out quick on vlan0 from anIP/32 to any keep state queue ul_client pass in quick on vlan1 from anIP/32 to any pass out quick on vlan1 from any to anIP/32 keep state queue dl_client The above rules generate state-mismatches. Didn't get you. What sort of mismatch? I thought that would be because pf doesn't see the SYN packet, although it does (one of the out rules) and should create the state then... I tried writing all the rules with keep state (even the inbound ones) but then nothing would work at all. My intention was to create if-bound states, but I switched back to floating states in the hope that pf would associate the state created by an outbound rule with the traffic returning on another interface of the bridge; still didn't work. Have you tried adding flags S/SAFR to the filter rules? Try it and let me know. I have read the man page for if_bridge and set the following sysctl variables: net.link.bridge.pfil_onlyip: 1 net.link.bridge.pfil_bridge: 0 net.link.bridge.pfil_member: 1 I have also read some posts on the web that said that pf simply doesn't have all the hooks necesary to do the filtering inbound and outbound, but reading the pfil man page I seem to disaggree with that. What do you mean? ? Has anyone encountered the same problem? And, more important: if i give up the bridge setup and switch to routing, would that have any effect? I.E: will I then be able to use keep state with the inbound rules? Try it. Routing changes the topology a good deal. But I doubt if that is the issue here. No harm in testing though. Any help at all would be hugely appreciated as I am trying for about a week to sort out this problem and can't seem to get any closer. The only solution was to kindly ask my clients using TCP window scaling (Vista mostly) to turn off this feature... Now I am seriously considering bumping my bridge to a router but I am not sure that the problem will be solved then. Try adding the flags switch as mentioned above. That way the states get established only from a TCP Syn packet. You should also try flushing the old states using pfctl(8). Oh, here is the setup of the bridge from rc.conf, although there shouldn't be any problems there (the bridge works fine without pf, or with pf stateless): Stateful filtering is always recommended. Performance is not the only reason why you should use it. It also adds to security. Have you tried disabling normalization/scrub? Best, Girish ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ports with GUI configs
Not to mention, as a novice, I've discovered that for 20-60% of all ports, messing with the defaults makes the port fail to build Steve On Nov 12, 2007 8:26 AM, Ashley Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I was just wondering, what is the motivation behind the GUI configuration for some ports? Simply put, they drive me up the wall. I've lost count of the number of times I've come back to a big install to find it hanging on a config screen. Possibly I'm missing something. The apache22 port is the latest one to join this crowd, although there is an option to skip the GUI. I'm much happier using WITH_PROXY_MODULES or whatever, and managing everything in pkgtools.conf. What is the best way to pre-configure GUI-configured ports? For example, if I want to script an installation of several ports. I've seen this: http://www.freshports.org/misc/dotfile/, is it what I'm after? Thanks for any advice Ashley -- blog @ http://aviewfromafar.net/ linked-in @ http://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleymoran currently @ work ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Steve Franks, KE7BTE Staff Engineer La Palma Devices, LLC http://www.lapalmadevices.com (520) 312-0089 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Samba 3.0.26a (from Ports) won't compile if 'WITH_EXP_MODULES=true' is set
Hello, Using FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE, I'm trying to configure FreeBSD/Samba/Winbind to talk to Active Directory, following these instructions: http://joseph.randomnetworks.com/archives/2005/11/08/freebsd-users-and-groups-with-samba-winbind-and-active-directory/ As per subject, using Samba 3.0.26a (from the ports collection), it will not compile if 'WITH_EXP_MODULES=true' is set (apparently 'WITH_EXP_MODULES' is needed for 'imap_rid'). The nature of the error is: The following command failed: cc -I ... I've pasted the few error lines here (also including `uname -a` and `cat /var/db/ports/samba3/options`) http://pastebin.com/m4892a0d0 Can anyone help explain my problem (and solution?) please? Kind regards, Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Claws+spamd: No spam is detected
Hi, I have Claws-Mail and spamd installed (from ports) and although I have been using this combination -I've been been manually marking all spams as 'spam'- for more than 2 months, still _no_ spam message is detected. I've followed the instructions on Claws/spamd wiki. I've got the followings in /etc/rc.conf: spamd_enable=YES spamd_flags=-C /usr/local/etc/spamd -i 127.0.0.1 -p 783 -u spamd -d -l Also Claws configuration parameters exactly match the spamd_flags above. 1) are you sure spamd is working fine? Did you try to send a message to spamd to check the marking? (clue use spamc to send a message to spamd) 2) I know nothing about claws, but running a spam detector at the mail client is very in efficient: every messages need to be downloaded anyway to be tested, it woul dbe much better to run spam detector at the MTA/MDA level, so your mailbox contains only ham and your mail client (claws) only sees ham. 3) in claws did you try to look at the full message headers (some time called the source of the message): some clever (so they thought) mail client hide most of the headers, so you woul dnot see SpamAssassin markup. Bests, Olivier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
making packages from ports
Hello, I've got a box i'd like to build packages from ports on, and deploy those packages to other machines. I'll use postfix as an example. I did make package from postfix's directory and selected pcre and mysql support. I got the postfix tarball package, but when i tried to install it on another box it needed pcre and mysql-client packages. I had to run make package in each of their directories. I was wondering if there was a recursive way of package making? Thanks. Dave. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
