Re: HP Deskjet 9800 with hpijs driver

[Predrag Punosevac]

Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:

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Erin McNew wrote:
  

I've been trying to get my photo printer working recently, and seem to have
run into a bit of a snag.  I just tried to print out a picture as a test,
and instead of a picture, I got: PCL commands across the top of one page of
photo paper, and the printer spewed the rest of my paper out empty (taught
me an important lesson about testing without having large quantities of
photo paper in the printer...)
Anyway, I was looking on google, and I don't seem to see other people


having
  

this problem, but I'm not sure what I could've done wrong.  I'm using the
hpijs driver, which is supposed to work perfectly under linux, and works
perfectly for my other hp printer.  Is this printer just not supported by
FreeBSD?  I couldn't find anything that stated directly either way in my
quick googling, so I was hoping somebody here might have some ideas for
things to check, etc.



My 6980 has the same problem with hpijs and hplip... try cups (it
should autodetect)


  
Printing under Linux and FreeBSD are for all practical purposes 
identical. If it works under Linux is should work under FreeBSD.

Which printer spooler are you using LPD, LPRng, CUPS, HPLIP/CUPS or PDQ?

I personally like to use native LPD spooler. Since your printer is 
supported by hpijs the driver is included in apsfilter (or apsfilter 
will install hpijs port by default) which  you compile form ports 
/usr/ports/print/apsfilter


lpd_enable="YES" in  /etc/rc.conf file 


Alter the permission so that the daemon can access the printer as

/etc/devfs.conf

perm lpt0 0666 #for parallel port printer
perm ulpt0 0666 #for USB printer

Then cd /usr/local/share/apsfilter and run the script ./SETUP

The rest is self-explanatory. If you get a message about your version of 
ghostscript just ignore. You probably have much newer version of 
Ghostscript than apsfilter expect to find.
The apsfilter is more than a filter. It will help you edit your printcup 
file, it will convert files to ps and finally it will let you choose the 
drivers .
The only drivers which from the apsfilter list are gutenprint drivers. 
If you need them make sure your compile gutenprint with the tag

without CUPS.

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If you need more complicated printer policies you probably want to use 
LPRng or CUPS.


This is the link to beautiful HPLIP  how to 
http://dsteinbrook.googlepages.com/hpliponfreebsd

Make sure you read the thing about the kernel.

Bare in mind couple of thins. HPLIP does not support parallel port 
printers! Whatever they say on HPLIP forum is lie. They do not despite
the fact that hpijs did. They support parallel port printers which are 
free standing printer servers via the web not by attaching them directly.


The proper way to enable HPLIP is to start HPLIP daemons first and than 
CUPS daemon by let say editing /etc/rc.conf file and rebooting.
The proper way to add the printer to HPLIP is to use CUPS 
http://localhost:631 and add the printer and then use HPLIP-toolbox and 
other

goodies.

HPLIP will just unlock full functionality of your printer. (Toner 
status, all in one devices etc)


Do not forget to put lpd_enable="NO" in /etc/rc.conf and hide native 
lp,lps,lpr,lpq commands so that you can use the same CUPS commands.


If you need PPD file for your printer you can download from 
http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting

but you can also generate your own using foomantic-rip.

I gave you sort of general how to. If you have more specific questions 
and can generate some log files that would help a lot.


Cheers,
Predrag





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FW: Open Hardware for Wireless AccessPoints, Invitation to participate in Workshop

[v.hayes]

Hello all,

 

The message below bounced. I am now forwarding it to this e-mail address in
the hope to reach people interested in the topic.

 

Kind regards,

 

Vic

 

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Sent: woensdag 17 oktober 2007 16:37
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Open Hardware for Wireless AccessPoints, Invitation to participate
in Workshop

 

Dear Robert,

 

On behalf of Jürgen Neumann, Xavier Carcelle, Marek Linder and Florian
Fainelli, I have the pleasure to invite you to participate in a one day
Workshop on Open Hardware for Wireless AccessPoints (and Wi-Fi phones) to be
held on Thursday, December 13, 2007, near Paris, France.

 

This Workshop is a follow-up of a brainstorm held in July 2007
 . 

 

The organizers do not charge a registration fee, but would appreciate to be
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For more information like the agenda, a list of hotels, a map and
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Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken)

[Aryeh M. Friedman]

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BTW I a redirected this to -questions
>
>
> You should be able to set up a local mailer/MTA (sendmail, postfix,
> etc.) and tell it to use your ISP's mail server on TCP port 25, and it
> all should just "magically work" unless they require SMTP AUTH (not many
> do from what I've seen; they base authentication on the source IP of
> customers).
>
> sendmail refers to this feature as SMART_HOST, while postfix refers to
> it as a transport destination (see transport(5)).

I have not set the MTA up yet for it but I did test it with
thunderbird... an other question how can I set it up that I can
receive mail (dynamic IP and 25 inbound is blocked)?


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Re: Personalised patches in ports

[Matthew Seaman]

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Roland Smith wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 11:52:31AM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
 How can I incorporate my patch into the portupgrade system, so that an
 upgrade of Xpdf will apply my patch? If I download the bzip file,
 apply the patch, re-bzip the sources, and then try to force an
 upgrade, the checksum fails (as expected).

 How does one do thes properly?
>>> It's actually much easier than in Linux, since the ports system already
>>> has to do this. Each port has a files directory into which you can put
>>> patches, which will get applied automatically each time you build. See
>>> the porter's handbook for details:
>> But wouldn't that personnal patch file be erased by next cvsup of the
>> ports?
> 
> Not if you 'chflags schg,sunlnk' it. 

If you add another file into a ports' files directory that cvsup knows
nothing about, then cvsup will refuse to touch it.  No need for chflags
in that case.  If you need to make local modifications to a file already
in that directory, then yes, cvsup will replace it with the canonical
version next time you update.

'portsnap extract' or 'portsnap update' will however blow away local
additions in the part of the ports tree it is operating on -- there are
clear warnings to that effect in the man page.  chflags will preserve
your changes in this case, but my guess is that portsnap might well 
abort in the middle of what it's doing if it runs into an immutable file.

You could be exceedingly sneaky though and use a union mount -- keep a
pristine copy of the ports tree as the base layer, maintained by portsnap
or cvsup or how you will -- and keep all your modifications in an overlay.
See mount_unionfs(8) -- although this page still contains the 'BEWARE OF
THE DOG' warning on RELENG_6, I believe that the outstanding bugs with
unionfs have been fixed, and that it is now recognised as safe to use.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3?

[Ivan Voras]

Tore Lund wrote:
> Ivan Voras wrote:
>> Dave wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their any
>>> outstanding issues?
>> Probably no major bugs will be fixed between now and 7.0 so you might as
>> well start using it now.
>>
>> It's "stable enough" like all .0 releases, meaning you should throughly
>> test it for your own workload before using it in production.
> 
> Just curious, what is the "official" forum for pre-release discussions?
> I notice there are some threads on the "current" list, but it seems to
> me that this is really "questions" stuff, since it is an upcoming release.

It depends. As I see it, current and stable lists are used more by
knowledgeable people who can more accurately pinpoint a problem and
possibly provide a solution, while questions is for "everyone else".
Between current and stable it's a more complex choice. There's no
"7-STABLE" yet but there is RELENG_7 so people tend to post on both in
this intermediate period.

> In any case, I tried the boot-only CD, and I was not able to install any
> packages during the install process.  Sysinstall aborted with Signal 11
> when trying to read INDEX from the ftp site.  Pkg_add from the command
> line seems to work, however, so it looks like I may get online from
> 7.0-BETA3 tomorrow.

I don't know if 7.0-BETA3 has packages on the CD - I think in the past
only release CDs had proper support for on-CD packages.

> Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program?  I have
> read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of
> 7.0-BETA3.  Personally, I would much rather type a long list of commands
> than use the old, rickety sysinstall.

Yes there was, and I'm working on it. Unfortunately, late in the
development cycle of 7 (BETA2) there was a bug introduced in the kernel
which collides with my work so far so the development of the installer
is essentially paused until the bug is fixed. More unfortunately, it
looks like the bug will not be fixed for 7.0-RELEASE so there will not
be a new installer for 7.0-RELEASE.

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Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3?

[Kris Kennaway]

Tore Lund wrote:

Ivan Voras wrote:

Dave wrote:

Hello,
   How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their any
outstanding issues?

Probably no major bugs will be fixed between now and 7.0 so you might as
well start using it now.

It's "stable enough" like all .0 releases, meaning you should throughly
test it for your own workload before using it in production.


Just curious, what is the "official" forum for pre-release discussions?
I notice there are some threads on the "current" list, but it seems to
me that this is really "questions" stuff, since it is an upcoming release.


freebsd-stable is probably best.


In any case, I tried the boot-only CD, and I was not able to install any
packages during the install process.  Sysinstall aborted with Signal 11
when trying to read INDEX from the ftp site.  Pkg_add from the command
line seems to work, however, so it looks like I may get online from
7.0-BETA3 tomorrow.


That is expected, packages are not available until later in the release 
cycle.



Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program?  I have
read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of
7.0-BETA3.  Personally, I would much rather type a long list of commands
than use the old, rickety sysinstall.


One is in early development, but not even complete let alone ready to 
replace sysinstall.


Kris
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Strange kernel log message

[Ceri Davies]

So I have this in my security run output:

kernel log messages:
+++ /tmp/security.hLYJI0kF  Sun Nov 25 03:01:02 2007
+222>2>>>NNNMNMMIII M  III SIISAS SAAA  3 303,020,0 ,,  EE IEIIESSSAIAA S A 
f ff
+
+
+f

WTF now?

I'm not sure if that's a real kernel message that got garbled or whether
I should be worried about naughtiness.

Ceri
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Re: portaudit in periodic

[Cristian KLEIN]

Andrea Venturoli wrote:
> Hello.
> I'm running a dozen boxes (most being 6.2) with portaudit installed and
> I usually get a port vulnerability report in the daily security run.
> 
> On one box, however, portaudit's db won't update automatically. The
> security reports will mention no vulnerability, even when I know they
> are there.
> Running "periodic daily" from a shell does it all for good, so that for
> a few days I'll see the correct warnings.

I used to have problem with cron scripts, because cron uses another PATH then
what the script gets if it's run from the shell. Could you try the following
(assuming sh):

export SHELL=/bin/sh
export PATH=/etc:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin
export HOME=/var/log
periodic daily

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Re: top posting (off-topic)

[Gerard Seibert]

> On November 25, 2007 at 09:49PM Giorgos Keramidas wrote:

[ snip ]

> The footnote was easy to understand after a quick Wikipedia search:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting#Top-posting
> 
> Quoting the text (so list members don't have to actually repeat the
> search):
> 
> Some maintain that top-posting is _never_ appropriate, and refer to
> it jokingly as the "TOFU" method (from the German "text oben,
> fullquote unten", sometimes translated "text over, fullquote
> under") [...]
> 
> Nice one.  I had not heard of "TOFU posting" before :)

There are some more interesting meaning here:


http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=tofu&Find=find&string=exact


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Re: short Q

[Gerard Seibert]

> On November 25, 2007 at 09:51PM jekillen wrote:

[ snip ]

> Thank you all for responses.
> I did get this straightened out:
> It is mysql_enable="YES"
> and putting a script named mysql
> in the /etc/rc.d directory with the
> lines;
> #! /bin/sh
> /usr/local/bin/mysqld_safe --user=mysql &
> did the trick. This is what the mysql docs
> prescribe for starting the server. Perhaps
> that is not the best way to go about it at
> system start, but it works.
> Thanks again;
> Jeff K

Did you install this from ports? If so. the script would have been placed
there all ready. 


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Re: SV: RAID1 synchronisation - howto OR not necessary?

[Cristian KLEIN]

Gert Lynge wrote:
>> The disks themselves handle the checksumming to detect bad blocks.
>> With modern disks it is *very* rare that a block on the disk goes bad
>> without the disk being able to report it it as such.  
>> This means that if you have a functioning RAID1 setup and one of the
>> disks report a bad block, then the controller can simply read the
>> corresponding block from the other disk, and rewrite it to the disk
>> with the bad block.  If a disk has problems writing a block it will
>> transparently re-map the block to another.
>> The problems can occur when one disk in a RAID-array has failed and you
>> try to rebuild it from the other disk(s). If you then encounter a bad block
>> on that disk you have a problem since you don't have a good copy of that
>> block.
>> This is what verification (which, btw, is not the same as synchronization)
>> tries to prevent by reading every block on each disk on a regular basis. 
>> Then the RAID controller can recover the data on any bad blocks from the
>> other disk(s) in the array.
> 
> I've been wondering how to do this with a BIOS assisted soft raid for some
> time.
> I have a server with ad4 ad6 in a mirror detected as ar0:
> 
> ws# atacontrol status ar0
> ar0: ATA RAID1 subdisks: ad4 ad6 status: READY
> 
> ws# cat /var/run/dmesg.boot
> [...]
> ar0: 76316MB  status: READY
> ar0: disk0 READY (master) using ad4 at ata2-master
> ar0: disk1 READY (mirror) using ad6 at ata3-master
> [...]
> 
> 
> ...and was wondering if dd could not do the job for me?
> 
> ws# man dd
> [...]
> EXAMPLES
>  Check that a disk drive contains no bad blocks:
>dd if=/dev/ad0 of=/dev/null bs=1m
> [...]
> 
> 
> What if I run:
> dd if=/dev/ad4 /of=/dev/null bs=1m
> dd if=/dev/ad6 /of=/dev/null bs=1m
> 
> ...once a week - will that not verify that the two drives can read all
> blocks?
> 
> It would be nice to limit the load (the throughput of dd) though - anyone
> know if that is possible? Maybe by pipeing through a second command (I guess
> a throughput limiter could easily be programmed?).

Hi,

For achieving this, I use smartmontools and program smartd to regularly issue an
„offline test” to the drive. I receive a mail if any bad sector is found.

The good thing is that this verification happens in the drive itself and reading
/ writing from the drive will automatically suspend the test. This gives the
feeling that the test is done without any performance penality.

The bad thing is that this verification happens in the drive itself. If the
drive has a faulty firmware[1], or if other errors (such as problems with IDE
cables occur), these won't be detected.

All in all, smartd + geom_mirror gives me more confidence that I won't lose 
data.

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Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3?

[Tore Lund]

Ivan Voras wrote:
> Tore Lund wrote:
>> Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program?  I have
>> read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of
>> 7.0-BETA3.  Personally, I would much rather type a long list of commands
>> than use the old, rickety sysinstall.
> 
> Yes there was, and I'm working on it. Unfortunately, late in the
> development cycle of 7 (BETA2) there was a bug introduced in the kernel
> which collides with my work so far so the development of the installer
> is essentially paused until the bug is fixed. More unfortunately, it
> looks like the bug will not be fixed for 7.0-RELEASE so there will not
> be a new installer for 7.0-RELEASE.

Thank you for the effort on the install system.  And thanks to you and
Kris for some answers.
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Re: HP Deskjet 9800 with hpijs driver

[Gerard Seibert]

> On November 26, 2007 at 01:23AM Erin McNew wrote:

> I've been trying to get my photo printer working recently, and seem to have
> run into a bit of a snag.  I just tried to print out a picture as a test,
> and instead of a picture, I got: PCL commands across the top of one page of
> photo paper, and the printer spewed the rest of my paper out empty (taught
> me an important lesson about testing without having large quantities of
> photo paper in the printer...)
> Anyway, I was looking on google, and I don't seem to see other people having
> this problem, but I'm not sure what I could've done wrong.  I'm using the
> hpijs driver, which is supposed to work perfectly under linux, and works
> perfectly for my other hp printer.  Is this printer just not supported by
> FreeBSD?  I couldn't find anything that stated directly either way in my
> quick googling, so I was hoping somebody here might have some ideas for
> things to check, etc.

Do you have the 'hplip' port installed (/print/hplip)? You can find
information regarding it here: http://hplip.sourceforge.net/.

I am presently using it with a C6180 and it works fine. It was the first time
I got that machine to work right under anything but Windows.

According to the web site, your printer is supported. You will need cups
installed to make it all work correctly however, or at least I did.


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Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken)

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2007-11-26 04:00, "Aryeh M. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>BTW I a redirected this to -questions
>> You should be able to set up a local mailer/MTA (sendmail, postfix,
>> etc.) and tell it to use your ISP's mail server on TCP port 25, and
>> it all should just "magically work" unless they require SMTP AUTH
>> (not many do from what I've seen; they base authentication on the
>> source IP of customers).
>>
>> sendmail refers to this feature as SMART_HOST, while postfix refers
>> to it as a transport destination (see transport(5)).
>
> I have not set the MTA up yet for it but I did test it with
> thunderbird... an other question how can I set it up that I can
> receive mail (dynamic IP and 25 inbound is blocked)?

Thunderbird doesn't necessarily go through an SMTP connection to the
local host, so it may work with or without a local MTA installation &
setup (depending on which host you forward outgoing email).

If you set up Thunderbird to use `localhost' for outgoing email, then
you have to also configure a local MTA (Sendmail, Postfix, or qmail are
popular choices).

I don't think there's an easy way to set up the local Sendmail
installation to *receive* email from the world without some sort of
`static address' though.  To do that, you would have to work with your
ISP, so that:

* Your address does not change semi-randomly or ramdonly.

* Your fully qualified domain resolves correctly and its MX records
  point to your static IP address.

* Your incoming port 25 traffic is not filtered.

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Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken)

[Gerard Seibert]

> On November 26, 2007 at 04:00AM Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:

> > You should be able to set up a local mailer/MTA (sendmail, postfix,
> > etc.) and tell it to use your ISP's mail server on TCP port 25, and it
> > all should just "magically work" unless they require SMTP AUTH (not many
> > do from what I've seen; they base authentication on the source IP of
> > customers).
> >
> > sendmail refers to this feature as SMART_HOST, while postfix refers to
> > it as a transport destination (see transport(5)).
> 
> I have not set the MTA up yet for it but I did test it with
> thunderbird... an other question how can I set it up that I can
> receive mail (dynamic IP and 25 inbound is blocked)?

If you attempt to send mail using a dynamic IP, it is going to be blocked by
most MTAs since it fails reverse DNS checking. I am assuming that you are
attempting to bypass your ISP. You have to get a static IP from your provider.
With port 25 presently blocked, you might consider using something like mail
relaying/forwarding from a service like DYNDNS: http://www.dyndns.com/.


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RELENG_6_1 to RELENG_6_2 upgrade question

[Bob Richards]

I am currently running:
FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p20 #2

After reading the docs, it appears the procedure to upgrade from 6.1 to
6.2 is the following:

1) Change:  default release=cvs tag=RELENG_6_1  to tag=RELENG_6_2
in /usr/local/etc/cvsup/cvsupfile

2) run cvsup /usr/local/etc/cvsup/cvsupfile to get the new base and
kernel sources

3) run portsnap fetch update to update the ports tree

4) go through the procedure outlined in:
file:///usr/share/doc/handbook/makeworld.html

This will leave me with  FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE at the latest patch
level for that release yes? 

I do NOT need to portupgrade -a since this is a minor version upgrade
right?
 
TIA
Bob
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Re: Strange kernel log message

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2007-11-26 09:58, Ceri Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So I have this in my security run output:
> kernel log messages:
> +++ /tmp/security.hLYJI0kFSun Nov 25 03:01:02 2007
> +222>2>>>NNNMNMMIII M  III SIISAS SAAA  3 303,020,0 ,,  EE IEIIESSSAIAA S 
> A f ff
> +
> +
> +f
>
> WTF now?
>
> I'm not sure if that's a real kernel message that got garbled or whether
> I should be worried about naughtiness.

It looks like multiple messages overlapping each other.  Removing 3
characters every 4 bytes in the output produces things which seem
vaguely recognizable:

<22NNI II A ,,,EISA  fff
<<2>NMI  SS 300  ISAAfff

There's a sysctl option which you can tweak to make this less likely to
happen, but I am not sure about its name.  Our console gurus can help
you track it down and tune its value :)

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Re: RELENG_6_1 to RELENG_6_2 upgrade question

[Daniel Bye]

On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 11:20:39AM +, Bob Richards wrote:
> 
> I am currently running:
> FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p20 #2
> 
> After reading the docs, it appears the procedure to upgrade from 6.1 to
> 6.2 is the following:
> 
> 1) Change:  default release=cvs tag=RELENG_6_1  to tag=RELENG_6_2
> in /usr/local/etc/cvsup/cvsupfile
> 
> 2) run cvsup /usr/local/etc/cvsup/cvsupfile to get the new base and
> kernel sources
> 
> 3) run portsnap fetch update to update the ports tree
> 
> 4) go through the procedure outlined in:
> file:///usr/share/doc/handbook/makeworld.html
> 
> This will leave me with  FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE at the latest patch
> level for that release yes? 

Yes. You might prefer to wait a little while longer, and go straight
to 6.3, which is on its way soon.

> 
> I do NOT need to portupgrade -a since this is a minor version upgrade
> right?

Take a look at both /usr/src/UPDATING and /usr/ports/UPDATING before
you start - if there are any special cases, they will be noted here.

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Help for very bad perf for MySQL

[Albert Shih]

Hi all

I've already send a message. But I don't receive any answer :-(. I try again
and hope there more solution 

I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, I'm running Mysql
5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL is very bad. For some
complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on some basic Linux it's take 0.6
sec). And I think this is nothing about thead (that's mean I don't think
FreeBSD 7.0 can solve my problem) because it's just for one select.

The server have two SAS 10 000 tr/m disks.

Anyone have some advise to tunning FreeBSD or MySQL for increase the perf ?

Regards
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Observatoire de Paris Meudon
SIO batiment 15
Heure local/Local time:
Lun 26 nov 2007 12:46:06 CET
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RE: Help for very bad perf for MySQL

[Jan Catrysse]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Albert Shih
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:50 PM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Help for very bad perf for MySQL
> 
> Hi all
> 
> I've already send a message. But I don't receive any answer 
> :-(. I try again and hope there more solution 
> 
> I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, I'm 
> running Mysql 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL 
> is very bad. For some complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on 
> some basic Linux it's take 0.6 sec). And I think this is 
> nothing about thead (that's mean I don't think FreeBSD 7.0 
> can solve my problem) because it's just for one select.
> 
> The server have two SAS 10 000 tr/m disks.
> 
> Anyone have some advise to tunning FreeBSD or MySQL for 
> increase the perf ?
> 
> Regards
> --
> Albert SHIH
> Observatoire de Paris Meudon
> SIO batiment 15
> Heure local/Local time:
> Lun 26 nov 2007 12:46:06 CET

6 seconds seem to be an awful lot. What kind of query are you running on
what kind of database / contents?

Regs,
Jan

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Re: RELENG_6_1 to RELENG_6_2 upgrade question

[Bob Richards]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:28:44 +
Daniel Bye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes. You might prefer to wait a little while longer, and go straight
> to 6.3, which is on its way soon.
> 

Indeed. Thanks for the heads up. Guess I better subscribe to
freebsd-announce!

What sort of kick-started this was the fact that there is no longer a
6.1-release packages directory on the ftp servers. Most everything here
is ports, so I didn't notice till I tried to test install something via
packages and couldn't.

I'll wait for 6.3

Thanks again

Bob

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Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken)

[Bob Richards]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:15:59 +0200
Giorgos Keramidas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I don't think there's an easy way to set up the local Sendmail
> installation to *receive* email from the world without some sort of
> `static address' though. 

Actually there is an easy way, I do it here at my work station which is
on a boat, and uses many different modes of connectivity. All of which
are floating IPs.

Get a domain name at dyndns. ANYTHING.servebbs.com/net/org. (it's free) 

You can also DNS any domain you own for about $29.00/Year, and simply
MX your mail to your dynamic domain machine on a variety of alternative
ports.

Install ddclient on your machine; it will keep your IP updated at
dyndns.

Install an mta, like sendmail, and smart-host it to your ISP; or
smart-host it to dyndns if your ISP can't/won't do it.

I have been doing this for about 2 years now, and have had no problems
at all.

Bob

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Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL

[Albert Shih]

 Le 26/11/2007 à 13:01:47+0100, Jan Catrysse a écrit
> > -Original Message-
> > 
> > I've already send a message. But I don't receive any answer 
> > :-(. I try again and hope there more solution 
> > 
> > I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, I'm 
> > running Mysql 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL 
> > is very bad. For some complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on 
> > some basic Linux it's take 0.6 sec). And I think this is 
> > nothing about thead (that's mean I don't think FreeBSD 7.0 
> > can solve my problem) because it's just for one select.
> > 
> > The server have two SAS 10 000 tr/m disks.
> > 
> > Anyone have some advise to tunning FreeBSD or MySQL for 
> > increase the perf ?
> > 
> > Regards
> > --
> > Albert SHIH
> > Observatoire de Paris Meudon
> > SIO batiment 15
> > Heure local/Local time:
> > Lun 26 nov 2007 12:46:06 CET
> 
> 6 seconds seem to be an awful lot. What kind of query are you running on
> what kind of database / contents?
> 
I don't really known it's some scientifical data. But the problem is on a
basic linux pc (with SATA disk) the time is 0.6 sec with same request and
same data. And it's for web applications. At 6 sec for one request it's
become very long for the visitor because the application make many
requests.

Regards
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Observatoire de Paris Meudon
SIO batiment 15
Heure local/Local time:
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Re: RELENG_6_1 to RELENG_6_2 upgrade question

[Gerard Seibert]

> On November 26, 2007 at 06:20AM Bob Richards wrote:

[ snip ]

> I do NOT need to portupgrade -a since this is a minor version upgrade
> right?

I think you are confusing '-a' with '-f'. The former updates all out of date
files. The latter forces the rebuilding of a port. I have never tried it;
however, I believe that 'portupgrade -af' would force the updating and
rebuilding of all installed ports.


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Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL

[Philip M. Gollucci]

Albert Shih wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I've already send a message. But I don't receive any answer :-(. I try again
> and hope there more solution
> 
> I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, I'm running Mysql
> 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL is very bad. For some
> complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on some basic Linux it's take 0.6
> sec). And I think this is nothing about thead (that's mean I don't think
> FreeBSD 7.0 can solve my problem) because it's just for one select.
Well -- we'll need more information, but as your say, if its not
threading related what makes you think its FreeBSD.  You'd probably have
better luck over on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

A good start would be the query itself, and the output of EXPLAIN for
that query.

Also, your my.cnf is the next step.

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Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL

[Ivan Voras]

Albert Shih wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I've already send a message. But I don't receive any answer :-(. I try again
> and hope there more solution 
> 
> I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, I'm running Mysql
> 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL is very bad. For some
> complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on some basic Linux it's take 0.6
> sec). And I think this is nothing about thead (that's mean I don't think
> FreeBSD 7.0 can solve my problem) because it's just for one select.
>

For starts, if you didn't do it already, copy
/usr/local/share/mysql/my-huge.cnf to /etc/my.cnf and try again. These
are just some general settings, they might or might not help you.

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Re: Confusion about Ports and options framework

[Philip M. Gollucci]

Zachary Kline wrote:
> Hi,
> I've read through the sections of the handbook quite carefully, and
> haven't quite found what I'm looking for.
> To be specific, I've no plans to install X11 or anything like it on this
> machine yet.  I may do so in the future merely to see how accessible Gnome
> and such are, but not now.
> I note that /usr/ports/editors/emacs has several environment variables
> which can be set, such as WITHOUT_X11.  I can set these just fine, and don't
In /etc/make.conf --
.if ${.CURDIR:M*/usr/ports/*}
  NOPORTSDOC=   yes

  WITHOUT_DBUS= yes
  WITHOUT_DEBUG=yes
  WITHOUT_EXAMPLES= yes
  WITHOUT_GUI=  yes
  WITHOUT_HAL=  yes
  WITHOUT_IPV6= yes
  WITHOUT_NLS=  yes
  WITHOUT_X11=  yes

  APACHE_PORT=  www/apache22
  OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT= f7
.endif

 - Per Port
.if ${.CURDIR:M*/usr/ports/databases/mysql50*}
  WITH_ARCHIVE= yes
  WITH_CSV= yes
  WITH_FEDERATED=   yes
  WITH_NDB= yes
  BUILD_OPTIMIZED=  yes
.endif

> However, if I were to use something like Portmanager, Portupgrade, etc,
> is there any way I can keep it from downloading these as well?  On the
Should work here too.

> subject of port managers, is manual port installation the prefered method of
> doing this anyway?
The "managers" as you call them are more for upgrading and maintenance
rather then original installation.

Most people would use pkg_add -r, or compile from source in /usr/ports.
Once you get familiar with things, I'd recommend setting up a local ftp
package repository based on own source compiles so you only have to do
them once.

see make package
et al.


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RE: Help for very bad perf for MySQL

[Jan Catrysse]

> > > I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, 
> I'm running 
> > > Mysql 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL is 
> very bad. 
> > > For some complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on some basic Linux 
> > > it's take 0.6 sec).

> > 6 seconds seem to be an awful lot. What kind of query are 
> you running 
> > on what kind of database / contents?

> I don't really known it's some scientifical data. But the 
> problem is on a basic linux pc (with SATA disk) the time is 
> 0.6 sec with same request and same data. And it's for web 
> applications. At 6 sec for one request it's become very long 
> for the visitor because the application make many requests.
> 
> Regards
> --
> Albert SHIH

Did you try pinpointing down the problem to make sure their is not another
bottleneck? Is the system running in production environment for the moment
or are you the sole user?

How did you install MySQL? I my experience (but I can be wrong) the default
settings give the best performance on 5.x MySQL FreeBSD 6.2. So no Linux
threads and stuff...

Regs,
Jan

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Re: [OT] who wrote this

[Ian Smith]

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:03:30 -0600 "eBoundHost: Artur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

 > >Lets also remember that history is written by the victors, 
 > >which means they LIE!
 > >neal.
 > 
 > 
 > Wow neal, that's very nice of you.  are you saying that hitler didn't
 > do any of these things?  I'm not even going to respond to you here,
 > just going to re-post your words to show that there are still people
 > like you out there... 

Researching the fascinating set of OT discussions in recent -questions
digests has provided three new entries for my favourite quotes file: 

I shall give a propagandist reason for starting the war, no matter whether
it is plausible or not.  The victor will not be asked afterwards whether
he told the truth or not.  When starting and waging war it is not right
that matters, but victory.
-- Adolf Hitler

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error.
-- John Kenneth Galbraith

For all my early exposure, I didn't get laid until I was 17.
-- Ted Mittelstaedt

Cheers, Ian

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Re: who wrote this

[Frank Shute]

On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 08:12:36PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
>
> >PS. What should be abolished on the grounds of decency is top posting
> >& rehashing topics that have been gone on about ad nauseum, & on the
> >wrong mailing list.
> 
> My apologies for top posting, will never happen again.  I've never posted 
> to a list before.

That's OK but what isn't OK is to take somebody elses post &
selectively edit it when quoting from it, like you have done to my
post.

You also failed to address most of my points.

> 
> >>Learn to
> >>moderate yourselves, this is what "freedom" is all based on, being good 
> >>to
> >>others.
> >
> >Nonsense. Freedom is about the right to voice disagreement with
> >others amongst other things.
> 
> Do you even notice the irony in what you said?

Artur, it was meant to be ironic :) I haven't got the right to stop
top posting no more than you have.

And you haven't got the right to excise Hitler's name from FreeBSD
material. Don't you see the irony in that? When he banned certain
artists on the grounds of "decency" just like you're proposing to do.

Just because he was "evil" doesn't mean he and the rest of his
henchmen didn't have something interesting to say about the human
condition. If you don't believe me, read "Brave New World: Revisited"
by A.Huxley.

Follow-ups to chat&freebsd.org please.

Regards,

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Re: Personalised patches in ports

[RW]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:06:45 +
Matthew Seaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> 'portsnap extract' or 'portsnap update' will however blow away local
> additions in the part of the ports tree it is operating on -- there
> are clear warnings to that effect in the man page.  

There are clear warnings that 'portsnap extract' will delete extra
files, but not for 'portsnap update'. And my recollection, from when I
briefly tried portsnap, is that it leaves derived files, like
README.html, untouched. So I guess that after the initial extract is
done  portsnap behaves like csup in this respect.

I think the main difference between csup and 'portsnap update' is in
the way they handle files that are under CVS, such as port makefiles.
csup always removes changes, which I like because I know where I stand.
I think with portsnap it depends on the CVS history.
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Re: who wrote this

[Boris Samorodov]

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:23:56 -0600 eBoundHost: Artur wrote:

> All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page.
> http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html
> ==
> >> Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive':
> >> * Hitler quotes.
> ==
> Ok I understand that some moron wrote it, but why has nobody removed
> this garbage?

Hm, I'm astonished. I've never seen that page before...

English is not my native language and I may not understand all nuances
though. Does that phrase mean "Hitler quotes are not usually be
declared 'offensive'"? For me that means that there some (and very
little) his quotes that should be treated as 'offensive'.


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Re: who wrote this

[DAve]

Boris Samorodov wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:23:56 -0600 eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
> 
>> All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page.
>> http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html
>> ==
 Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive':
 * Hitler quotes.
>> ==
>> Ok I understand that some moron wrote it, but why has nobody removed
>> this garbage?
> 
> Hm, I'm astonished. I've never seen that page before...
> 
> English is not my native language and I may not understand all nuances
> though. Does that phrase mean "Hitler quotes are not usually be
> declared 'offensive'"? For me that means that there some (and very
> little) his quotes that should be treated as 'offensive'.
> 
> 
> WBR

I read the page as instruction to be attentive to content *and* context.
The who matters little in comparison to the what. Fascinating to me that
things like the logo and that page can generate so much list mail.

DAve


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maybe 1999. I was told they finally did a Veteran's Day logo,
but none of the links I was given return anything but a
normal Google logo.

Sad, very sad. Maybe the Chinese Government didn't like it?

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Desktop printing, a request for your experiences

[Dominic Marks]

List,

Can anyone give me their experiences of desktop printing
(OpenOffice/KDE/Gnome/Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird, etc) recently?
I haven't tried for a while but it was a pain to setup and maintain the last
time I looked at it.

If you are using this for "real-work" and you are getting good results 
please

let me know what you are using (software and hardware ideally).

The environment I would like to put this into is a family house, very small
setup with 2 PCs and 2 printers. Currently both are Windows PCs but
one is experiencing all of the classic issues with a multi-year Windows
installation and since they are used exclusively for E-Mail and word
processing I am interested in migrating one PC over to FreeBSD.

.. If the solution was a Linux distro (box package, or otherwise) I would
also be interested.
... I am not a subscriber so please keep me CC'ed in the discussion.

Cheers
Dominic
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Re: who wrote this

[Boris Samorodov]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:30:16 -0500 DAve wrote:
> Boris Samorodov wrote:

> > English is not my native language and I may not understand all nuances
> > though. Does that phrase mean "Hitler quotes are not usually be
> > declared 'offensive'"? For me that means that there some (and very
> > little) his quotes that should be treated as 'offensive'.

> I read the page as instruction to be attentive to content *and* context.

So you agreed that the page about Fortune File Commit Policy is not
complete. Good.

> The who matters little in comparison to the what. Fascinating to me that
> things like the logo and that page can generate so much list mail.


WBR
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Re: Open Source softwares in FreeBSD for web hosting platform

[Tek Bahadur Limbu]

Hi Ovi,

Ovi wrote:

Tek Bahadur Limbu wrote:


Hi All,

I know that this question has been asked on this list in the past. So 
I am sorry for repeating it.


However, I would like to know the current answers and views on this 
question.


Basically, I want to know which software you might be using as a Site 
configuration and management application for web hosting services.


It will be used primarily to control about 500-1000 virtual domains.

I know that there are Cpanel and Plesk which are very good commercial 
softwares catering the needs for a good web based management tool.


So far, I have only tried out RAQdevil http://www.raqdevil.com/

It seems good but is quite limited in it's features.

So I would like to know more open source softwares used for this type 
of services.



Thanking you...


We are using syscp and it works well. (you will need to modify it to 
suit your needs, the source code is clean and easy to modify).
Any open source software you try, it is not 100% complete (as far as I 
know, from my experience with open source web panels), so you will have 
to modify the code. The bad thing with syscp is that dns server is not 
configurable from web interface (there is a patch, but it allows you to 
modify DNS only from admin account, which is not good, I think you will 
need regular users to be able to configure their own dns servers), so 
this is one thing you must add. I asume you need 3 types of accounts, 
admin account, reseller account and user account.

http://www.syscp.org/


I have heard about syscp and will definitely try it once. But I am not 
very familiar with coding. Apart of the DNS configurations, do we need 
to hack the code?


By the way, how many virtual domains are you currently managing with syscp?


Thanking you...




best regards,
ovi







--

With best regards and good wishes,

Yours sincerely,

Tek Bahadur Limbu

System Administrator

(TAG/TDG Group)
Jwl Systems Department

Worldlink Communications Pvt. Ltd.

Jawalakhel, Nepal

http://www.wlink.com.np

http://teklimbu.wordpress.com
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FreeBSD 7/OpenLDAP: Howto change passwords

[O. Hartmann]

Hello,

trying to change passwords on a client machine for a LDAP authenticated 
user always fails due to the original passwd() command is not capable of 
changing passwords remotely.

Their is a suggested patch, but is there an "official" way to do?

Regards,
Oliver
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Re: Open Source softwares in FreeBSD for web hosting platform

[Grant Peel]

We, and many hundreds of other hosts use Webmin/Usermin/Virtualmin.

It is free,
It is robust,
There are tons of third party mods to use, 
Learning how to create your own mods is easy,
It is secure.

www.webmin.com

-Grant
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tek Bahadur Limbu 
  To: Ovi 
  Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org 
  Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:09 AM
  Subject: Re: Open Source softwares in FreeBSD for web hosting platform


  Hi Ovi,

  Ovi wrote:
  > Tek Bahadur Limbu wrote:
  > 
  >> Hi All,
  >>
  >> I know that this question has been asked on this list in the past. So 
  >> I am sorry for repeating it.
  >>
  >> However, I would like to know the current answers and views on this 
  >> question.
  >>
  >> Basically, I want to know which software you might be using as a Site 
  >> configuration and management application for web hosting services.
  >>
  >> It will be used primarily to control about 500-1000 virtual domains.
  >>
  >> I know that there are Cpanel and Plesk which are very good commercial 
  >> softwares catering the needs for a good web based management tool.
  >>
  >> So far, I have only tried out RAQdevil http://www.raqdevil.com/
  >>
  >> It seems good but is quite limited in it's features.
  >>
  >> So I would like to know more open source softwares used for this type 
  >> of services.
  >>
  >>
  >> Thanking you...
  >>
  >>
  > We are using syscp and it works well. (you will need to modify it to 
  > suit your needs, the source code is clean and easy to modify).
  > Any open source software you try, it is not 100% complete (as far as I 
  > know, from my experience with open source web panels), so you will have 
  > to modify the code. The bad thing with syscp is that dns server is not 
  > configurable from web interface (there is a patch, but it allows you to 
  > modify DNS only from admin account, which is not good, I think you will 
  > need regular users to be able to configure their own dns servers), so 
  > this is one thing you must add. I asume you need 3 types of accounts, 
  > admin account, reseller account and user account.
  > http://www.syscp.org/

  I have heard about syscp and will definitely try it once. But I am not 
  very familiar with coding. Apart of the DNS configurations, do we need 
  to hack the code?

  By the way, how many virtual domains are you currently managing with syscp?


  Thanking you...


  > 
  > best regards,
  > ovi
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 


  -- 

  With best regards and good wishes,

  Yours sincerely,

  Tek Bahadur Limbu

  System Administrator

  (TAG/TDG Group)
  Jwl Systems Department

  Worldlink Communications Pvt. Ltd.

  Jawalakhel, Nepal

  http://www.wlink.com.np

  http://teklimbu.wordpress.com
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Re: Desktop printing, a request for your experiences

[cpghost]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:19:49 +
Dominic Marks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Can anyone give me their experiences of desktop printing
> (OpenOffice/KDE/Gnome/Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird, etc) recently?
> I haven't tried for a while but it was a pain to setup and maintain
> the last time I looked at it.

I'm using an HP 1320 (PostScript printer) + cups to do printing.
It works like a charm when it is attached with a parallel cable;
OTOH I was never able to print via USB to that beast (no joy with
print/hplip etc...) from FreeBSD (even though it works under XP
and on most Linux distros).

Here, OpenOffice generates the best printing; but all Qt3-based
printing shows bad kerning artifacts, the letters being not evenly
spaced -- I don't know if it is fixed in Qt4. Printing from Firefox
is okay for some sites that took corrective measures in their
printing stylesheets to counteract FF css/printing bugs, on other
sites it is often quite ugly (compared to MSIE, which does a much
better job at printing whatever you throw at it).

All in all, YMMV. It depends on your requirements.

> .. If the solution was a Linux distro (box package, or otherwise) I
> would also be interested.

Well, disregarding the problem of not being able to talk to my
HP-1320 via USB (instead of parallel), all other problems are not
FreeBSD-specific; they show up in Linux distros as well.

Regards,
-cpghost.

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Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3?

[Chris]

On 26/11/2007, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tore Lund wrote:
> > Ivan Voras wrote:
> >> Dave wrote:
> >>> Hello,
> >>>How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their any
> >>> outstanding issues?
> >> Probably no major bugs will be fixed between now and 7.0 so you might as
> >> well start using it now.
> >>
> >> It's "stable enough" like all .0 releases, meaning you should throughly
> >> test it for your own workload before using it in production.
> >
> > Just curious, what is the "official" forum for pre-release discussions?
> > I notice there are some threads on the "current" list, but it seems to
> > me that this is really "questions" stuff, since it is an upcoming release.
>
> freebsd-stable is probably best.
>
> > In any case, I tried the boot-only CD, and I was not able to install any
> > packages during the install process.  Sysinstall aborted with Signal 11
> > when trying to read INDEX from the ftp site.  Pkg_add from the command
> > line seems to work, however, so it looks like I may get online from
> > 7.0-BETA3 tomorrow.
>
> That is expected, packages are not available until later in the release
> cycle.
>
> > Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program?  I have
> > read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of
> > 7.0-BETA3.  Personally, I would much rather type a long list of commands
> > than use the old, rickety sysinstall.
>
> One is in early development, but not even complete let alone ready to
> replace sysinstall.
>
> Kris
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Kris can I ask what sort of importance bugs that cause crashes (page
faults) are?
I reported 2 bugs before BETA1 both these bugs involved 7.0 getting a
page fault and of course then stop responding requiring a reboot yet
both PRs have had no response and both bugs are still present in BETA3
I see minor issues been worked on such as responsiveness in desktop
use whilst issues that cause system crashes are left unattended.  Is
FreeBSD primarily a desktop os now and thats the new path?

Try this.

Login to twice on ssh.
If not root su both to root.
using the 2nd tty do a watch -W on the first tty.
on the first tty type 'killall watch'
you have now crashed freebsd 7 and most probably a auto reboot timer
is counting down.

Even typing reboot to reboot the server causes page faults.

This is nothing to do with hardware very repeatable behaviour happens
for me on at least 4 different freebsd 7 servers, if I compile world
with -O not -O2 the default it stops reboot causing page faults on
some of the servers.

Chris

Chris
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Re: Desktop printing, a request for your experiences

[John Nielsen]

Quoting Dominic Marks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Can anyone give me their experiences of desktop printing
(OpenOffice/KDE/Gnome/Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird, etc) recently?
I haven't tried for a while but it was a pain to setup and maintain the last
time I looked at it.

If you are using this for "real-work" and you are getting good results please
let me know what you are using (software and hardware ideally).

The environment I would like to put this into is a family house, very small
setup with 2 PCs and 2 printers. Currently both are Windows PCs but
one is experiencing all of the classic issues with a multi-year Windows
installation and since they are used exclusively for E-Mail and word
processing I am interested in migrating one PC over to FreeBSD.

.. If the solution was a Linux distro (box package, or otherwise) I would
also be interested.
... I am not a subscriber so please keep me CC'ed in the discussion.


At home I have one headless FreeBSD server, one FreeBSD desktop, one 
Windows desktop, and one or more laptops running either OS at various 
times. I also have an old cheap (non-PS) laser printer and a new-ish 
multifunction photo printer. The laser printer is connected to the 
FreeBSD server, which runs CUPS and Samba, among other things. The 
inkjet is connected to the Windows Desktop.


Printing from FreeBSD (all stations also use CUPS) to the laser printer 
always works fine. Printing from Windows to the laster printer (talking 
to Samba with a CUPS backend) works fine most of the time. Occasionally 
graphics-intensive jobs will come out screwy, and Acrobat Reader 
doesn't always behave well for some reason (even though I'm using the 
Adobe Windows PS driver..).


Printing from Windows to the inkjet always works well, and the vendor 
driver obviously supports all of the printer's features. Printing from 
FreeBSD to the inkjet (using an SMB backend to CUPS on the FreeBSD 
server) works well for standard documents and resolutions. If I need to 
print high-res or borderless photos I do it from Windows. (I also use 
the Windows station for scanning.)


Much of the above could be different for different people using 
different printers. In my case attaching the dumb laser printer to a 
FreeBSD server makes it more usable, whereas attaching the inkjet 
printer to the FreeBSD server made it less so (vs Windows). The 
gutenprint drivers are catching up to the vendor ones but for this 
printer they aren't there yet.


On the whole I'm quite happy with my CUPS server on FreeBSD, especially 
when printing from other CUPS-capable workstations (i.e. anything BUT 
Windows). Printers show up automatically and work the same from all 
stations with no need to distribute drivers, etc.


JN

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Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3?

[James Harrison]

On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 15:34 +, Chris wrote:
> On 26/11/2007, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Tore Lund wrote:
> > > Ivan Voras wrote:
> > >> Dave wrote:
> > >>> Hello,
> > >>>How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their any
> > >>> outstanding issues?
> > >> Probably no major bugs will be fixed between now and 7.0 so you might as
> > >> well start using it now.
> > >>
> > >> It's "stable enough" like all .0 releases, meaning you should throughly
> > >> test it for your own workload before using it in production.
> > >
> > > Just curious, what is the "official" forum for pre-release discussions?
> > > I notice there are some threads on the "current" list, but it seems to
> > > me that this is really "questions" stuff, since it is an upcoming release.
> >
> > freebsd-stable is probably best.
> >
> > > In any case, I tried the boot-only CD, and I was not able to install any
> > > packages during the install process.  Sysinstall aborted with Signal 11
> > > when trying to read INDEX from the ftp site.  Pkg_add from the command
> > > line seems to work, however, so it looks like I may get online from
> > > 7.0-BETA3 tomorrow.
> >
> > That is expected, packages are not available until later in the release
> > cycle.
> >
> > > Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program?  I have
> > > read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of
> > > 7.0-BETA3.  Personally, I would much rather type a long list of commands
> > > than use the old, rickety sysinstall.
> >
> > One is in early development, but not even complete let alone ready to
> > replace sysinstall.
> >
> > Kris
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> 
> Kris can I ask what sort of importance bugs that cause crashes (page
> faults) are?
> I reported 2 bugs before BETA1 both these bugs involved 7.0 getting a
> page fault and of course then stop responding requiring a reboot yet
> both PRs have had no response and both bugs are still present in BETA3
> I see minor issues been worked on such as responsiveness in desktop
> use whilst issues that cause system crashes are left unattended.  Is
> FreeBSD primarily a desktop os now and thats the new path?
> 
> Try this.
> 
> Login to twice on ssh.
> If not root su both to root.
> using the 2nd tty do a watch -W on the first tty.
> on the first tty type 'killall watch'
> you have now crashed freebsd 7 and most probably a auto reboot timer
> is counting down.
> 
> Even typing reboot to reboot the server causes page faults.
> 
> This is nothing to do with hardware very repeatable behaviour happens
> for me on at least 4 different freebsd 7 servers, if I compile world
> with -O not -O2 the default it stops reboot causing page faults on
> some of the servers.
> 
> Chris
> 
> Chris
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This looks like your bug:

>Description:
when using the command killall watch with at least 1 active watch process 
running the kernel gets a page fault and reboots.



Is the above the behaviour that's the problem, or is the behaviour you
describe in your email the issue? I can confirm the stuff in your email,
but haven't tried using killall watch when watch is using other options.

James

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Re: who wrote this

[eBoundHost: Artur]

On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 08:12:36PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:


>PS. What should be abolished on the grounds of decency is top posting
>& rehashing topics that have been gone on about ad nauseum, & on the
>wrong mailing list.

My apologies for top posting, will never happen again.  I've never posted
to a list before.


That's OK but what isn't OK is to take somebody elses post &
selectively edit it when quoting from it, like you have done to my
post.

You also failed to address most of my points.


Frank,  No offense, but who has time to go through all points of every post 
and respond.  There was much said here but i want to keep this post on 
topic.






>>Learn to
>>moderate yourselves, this is what "freedom" is all based on, being good
>>to
>>others.
>
>Nonsense. Freedom is about the right to voice disagreement with
>others amongst other things.

Do you even notice the irony in what you said?


Artur, it was meant to be ironic :) I haven't got the right to stop
top posting no more than you have.



My apologies, I'm reading everything as an attack now a days.  :-)



And you haven't got the right to excise Hitler's name from FreeBSD
material. Don't you see the irony in that? When he banned certain
artists on the grounds of "decency" just like you're proposing to do.



Two points

1) first of all, i don't think that freebsd operating system is an 
appropriate forum to express political views.  so whether we are for or 
against censorship or democracy or fascism or communism, it really does not 
matter.  what matters is how good our coding is, and how appropriate the 
wording on our website.  because like it or not, we have to present a decent 
website that does not offend our users and does not make us look bad in 
front of non-users.


2) That's the thing, banning hitlers name is not at all what i'm trying to 
do.  I think we should keep his quotes in the database of quotes, if that's 
what the community thinks is appropriate.  What I'm suggesting is that we 
remove his name from the website: 
(http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html) because it seems to 
innapropriately focus the attention away from the program (Fortune) and 
unecessarily makes the FreeBSD community seem like a bunch of insensitive 
jerks because we seemingly condone hitlers sayings.   People who come 
accross this wording will not stop to think about all the deep philosophical 
reasons why the text needs to be there to protect freedoms.  All they will 
see is that we seemingly support Hitler.  Why don't we have other names 
controversial during our times like Mussolini, Stalin, or even Gorge Bush?



Just because he was "evil" doesn't mean he and the rest of his
henchmen didn't have something interesting to say about the human
condition. If you don't believe me, read "Brave New World: Revisited"
by A.Huxley.


This has nothing to do with anything that I'm saying.  Listen, my 
grandmother also has some interesting things to say but you don't put her 
name on the front page of the Fortune program because it's not appropriate. 
Same thing here.  Just not an appropriate forum.



Follow-ups to chat&freebsd.org please.



Done and done.

Best regards,

Artur 


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Re: HP Deskjet 9800 with hpijs driver

[Erin McNew]

On Nov 25, 2007 11:27 PM, Matthias Apitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> El día Sunday, November 25, 2007 a las 10:23:05PM -0800, Erin McNew
> escribió:
>
> > I've been trying to get my photo printer working recently, and seem to
> have
> > run into a bit of a snag.  I just tried to print out a picture as a
> test,
> > and instead of a picture, I got: PCL commands across the top of one page
> of
> > photo paper, and the printer spewed the rest of my paper out empty
> (taught
> > me an important lesson about testing without having large quantities of
> > photo paper in the printer...)
> > Anyway, I was looking on google, and I don't seem to see other people
> having
> > this problem, but I'm not sure what I could've done wrong.  I'm using
> the
> > hpijs driver, which is supposed to work perfectly under linux, and works
> > perfectly for my other hp printer.  Is this printer just not supported
> by
> > FreeBSD?  I couldn't find anything that stated directly either way in my
> > quick googling, so I was hoping somebody here might have some ideas for
> > things to check, etc.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > ~TuxGirl
>
> Maybe it could help if you explain exactly how do you print the
> file, from command line or from some kind of application?
> The PCL across the top of one page, does it looks like stairs?
> I.e. does start the 2nd line where 1st line ends?
>
>matthias
>

Ok.  Let's see what other information I can provide.

I was printing from the gimp.  I looked at the printer setup, and it said
that it was using lpr.
As for the PCL, the first line was pretty short, and the second line did
start indented.  I don't recall if it started where the first ended, but if
not, it was close to that.  I couldn't see any further lines, but apparently
there were more, as the printer kept spitting out pages...

Thanks!
~Erin

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Re: who wrote this

[Paul Schmehl]

--On Monday, November 26, 2007 09:30:16 -0500 DAve 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I read the page as instruction to be attentive to content *and* context.
The who matters little in comparison to the what. Fascinating to me that
things like the logo and that page can generate so much list mail.

That's because people are generally so happy with FreeBSD and ports that 
they have to find something else to complain about.  :-)


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Re: who wrote this

[eBoundHost: Artur]

Hm, I'm astonished. I've never seen that page before...

English is not my native language and I may not understand all nuances
though. Does that phrase mean "Hitler quotes are not usually be
declared 'offensive'"? For me that means that there some (and very
little) his quotes that should be treated as 'offensive'.



Hi Boris,

I'm not a native speaker either, but it seems to say that even if hitler 
said it, it may still be appropriate for the random quotes list.


And "astonished" is exactly what I'm feeling too.

Best Regards,

Artur
eBoundHost.com
http://www.eboundhost.com 


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Re: who wrote this

[Jerry McAllister]

On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 03:23:56PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:

> All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page.
> http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html
> ==
> >>Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive':
> >>* Hitler quotes.
> ==

I think the point is that it does not specifically belong in the offensive
list just because the author was Hitler, or for that matter any other
offensive person. Do you want it to say, it doesn't belong in the
offensive list just because Ronald Reagan said it - or that Limburg guy?   
They are offensive persons.

Well, maybe those _do_ all belong in the offensive list.

But, the above is the meaning for the statement on the page.

jerry


> Ok I understand that some moron wrote it, but why has nobody removed this 
> garbage?
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Artur
> eBoundHost.com
> http://www.eboundhost.com 
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Re: xdmcp not working

[Laszlo Nagy]

Laszlo Nagy wrote:

On a client machine I invoke this command:

X -broadcast

On the server side, gdm is runnning with [debug] enabled=true and this 
is logged:


Nov 21 13:23:38 cassiopeia gdm-binary[1569]: DEBUG: decode_packet: 
GIOCondition 1
Nov 21 13:23:38 cassiopeia gdm-binary[1569]: DEBUG: XDMCP: Received 
opcode QUERY from client :
Nov 21 13:23:38 cassiopeia gdm-binary[1569]: DEBUG: 
gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client->hostname is 192.168.0.139
Nov 21 13:23:38 cassiopeia gdm-binary[1569]: DEBUG: XDMCP: Sending 
WILLING to
Nov 21 13:23:41 cassiopeia gdm-binary[1569]: DEBUG: decode_packet: 
GIOCondition 1
Nov 21 13:23:41 cassiopeia gdm-binary[1569]: DEBUG: XDMCP: Received 
opcode QUERY from client :
Nov 21 13:23:41 cassiopeia gdm-binary[1569]: DEBUG: 
gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client->hostname is 192.168.0.139
Nov 21 13:23:41 cassiopeia gdm-binary[1569]: DEBUG: XDMCP: Sending 
WILLING to


This is repeating continuously. On the client side, I see the X server 
with gray background, without windows.



ipfw on the server side (running gdm):

00100 624 60642 allow ip from any to any via lo0
00200 0 0 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8
00300 0 0 deny ip from 127.0.0.0/8 to any
65000 79294 34601476 allow ip from any to any
65535 0 0 deny ip from any to any

IPFIREWALL is not enabled on the client (X server) side.

What did I wrong?
I posted this 5 days ago, and nobody answered. What can I do? Should I 
re-post after a week? (Nobody knows the answer, or - hopefully - the guy 
who knows the answer did not read the question?)


(I tried to look for a FAQ but I could not find it here: 
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions )


Thank you,

   Laszlo

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Re: who wrote this

[Jerry McAllister]

On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 05:20:22PM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:

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> > I might consider the man to be a maniac but he did utter some truths,
> > Should we automatically disqualify them?
> 
> Even the devil is right sometimes does that mean we should follow him?

Who said anything about following them.   

Mostly those things are added as wry comments - showing the connection
between evil or loose or cynical thinking and evil deeds and letting 
people notice how those thoughts and rationalizations get repeated in 
our current society and politics and business.

Makes a person go 'hh' or it certainly should.

jerry


> 
> Let's see:
> 
> 1 authbaun = 6 million jews
> 1 trip to the moon = 50 million russians
> 1 vw bug = 20 million brits and americans
> 1 war = priceless
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Re: who wrote this

[Dominic Fandrey]

eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
> 2) That's the thing, banning hitlers name is not at all what i'm trying
> to do.  I think we should keep his quotes in the database of quotes, if
> that's what the community thinks is appropriate.  What I'm suggesting is
> that we remove his name from the website:
> (http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html) because it seems to
> innapropriately focus the attention away from the program (Fortune) and
> unecessarily makes the FreeBSD community seem like a bunch of
> insensitive jerks because we seemingly condone hitlers sayings.
> ...

Quote from the linked website:
> If an entry offends more than a couple of FreeBSD committers and does not
> contain any objective poignant historical reference, the entry should be in
> the offensive file.

I'm not a freebsd committer, but I do feel offended by Hitler quotes (being
German that is understandable, I think). And it's unthinkable for me to put
anything he said anywhere else but into offensive.
Just by being his words a quote is put into an offensive (and not amusing)
context.
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Re: who wrote this

[eBoundHost: Artur]

On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 03:23:56PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:


All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page.
http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html
==
>>Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive':
>>* Hitler quotes.
==


I think the point is that it does not specifically belong in the offensive
list just because the author was Hitler, or for that matter any other
offensive person. Do you want it to say, it doesn't belong in the
offensive list just because Ronald Reagan said it - or that Limburg guy?
They are offensive persons.

Well, maybe those _do_ all belong in the offensive list.

But, the above is the meaning for the statement on the page.

jerry


No Jerry, you misunderstood my point.  I'm not talking about which quotes go 
into which list.  My complaint is about how that web page is structured, and 
that its wording should be reworked. 


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Re: Desktop printing, a request for your experiences

[Dominic Fandrey]

Dominic Marks wrote:
> List,
> 
> Can anyone give me their experiences of desktop printing
> (OpenOffice/KDE/Gnome/Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird, etc) recently?

I'm using a HP LaserJet 6L with apsfilter. The driver I had to choose is ljet4.

It was pretty easy to set up.
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Re: who wrote this

[Jerry McAllister]

On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 01:01:42PM +, Frank Shute wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 08:12:36PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
> >
> > >PS. What should be abolished on the grounds of decency is top posting
> > >& rehashing topics that have been gone on about ad nauseum, & on the
> > >wrong mailing list.
> > 
> > My apologies for top posting, will never happen again.  I've never posted 
> > to a list before.
> 
> That's OK but what isn't OK is to take somebody elses post &
> selectively edit it when quoting from it, like you have done to my
> post.
> 
> You also failed to address most of my points.

So!   He doesn't have any responsibility to respond to all of your posts.
He can respond to whichever ones he wants and ignore all the rest.

That goes for selectively editing.   That is part of the recommended
behavior on the list - to edit out the parts not specifically relevant
to the response so people don't have to wade through a lot of irrelevant
crap to find the actual response.   It is as important as that other
anti-social behavior called top-posting.

jerry

... lots excised ...

> 
> Follow-ups to chat&freebsd.org please.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- 
>  Frank 
>   
>  Contact info: http://www.esperance-linux.co.uk/misc/contact.html 
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Re: Desktop printing, a request for your experiences

[Robert Huff]

Dominic Fandrey writes:

>  > Can anyone give me their experiences of desktop printing
>  > (OpenOffice/KDE/Gnome/Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird, etc) recently?
>  
>  I'm using a HP LaserJet 6L with apsfilter. The driver I had to
>  choose is ljet4. 

LaserJet 6mp; no add-ons.
Works with OpenOffice. GIMP, and Mozilla-based stuff.  (All
under CUPS.)


Robert Huff
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Re: portaudit in periodic

[RW]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:45:56 +0200
Cristian KLEIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Andrea Venturoli wrote:

> > On one box, however, portaudit's db won't update automatically. The
> > security reports will mention no vulnerability, even when I know
> > they are there.
> > Running "periodic daily" from a shell does it all for good, so that
> > for a few days I'll see the correct warnings.
> 
> I used to have problem with cron scripts, because cron uses another
> PATH then what the script gets if it's run from the shell. 

That shouldn't be relevant, the update should be done as a side-effect
of the daily security run, and the path to portaudit is hard-coded into
the periodic script.
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OpenLDAP/PAM and SSH: some weirdness with ssh-keys

[O. Hartmann]

Hello,
sorry for bothering yo, but I'm feeling desperately lost with a problem.

I've got a running OpenLDAP 2.3.39 authetication system on a FreeBSD 7.0 
box, with pam_ldap and nss_ldap (most recent from the ports). My config 
does not look very special, but I think I've messed up something in 
/etc/pam.d or have overseen a small knob in sshd_config (using the plain 
standard sshd_config coming with the OS).


My users can not login without having the very first time typed 
'ssh-keygen' and generated their key with a passphrase! Whenever the key 
(doesn't matter whether rsa or dsa) is not present, no login is 
possible, but if the key is present, login works fine. But the 
passphrase of the key remains the password for login, no chance to 
change with patched passwd.c/passwd() or with tools like LUMA. By the 
way, I have an enabled option 'pam_password crypt' in 
/usr/local/etc/ldap.conf (for both pam_ldap and nss_ldap, linked), but 
this doesn't help much I guess.


Due to the fact ssh login does not work, I will show you my 
/etc/pam.d/sshd file, which looks like this:


=
  #
# $FreeBSD: src/etc/pam.d/sshd,v 1.16 2007/06/10 18:57:20 yar Exp $
#
# PAM configuration for the "sshd" service
#

# auth
authsufficient  pam_opie.so no_warn 
no_fake_prompts

authrequisite   pam_opieaccess.so   no_warn allow_local
#auth   sufficient  pam_krb5.so no_warn 
try_first_pass
authsufficient  /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so no_warn 
try_first_pass
authsufficient  pam_ssh.so  no_warn 
try_first_pass
authrequiredpam_unix.so no_warn 
try_first_pass


# account
account requiredpam_nologin.so
#accountrequiredpam_krb5.so
account requiredpam_login_access.so
account sufficient  /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so
account requiredpam_unix.so

# session
#sessionoptionalpam_ssh.so
session required/usr/local/lib/pam_mkhomedir.so mode=750 
skel=/usr/share/skel/

session requiredpam_permit.so

# password
#password   sufficient  pam_krb5.so no_warn 
try_first_pass

#passwordsufficient  /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so use_authtok
passwordsufficient  /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so try_first_pass
passwordrequiredpam_unix.so no_warn 
try_first_pass



Sorry for the weird wrapping ...


Does anyone see some problems? I also have the pam_ldap.so-line in 
/etc/pam.d/passwd (and /etc/pam.d/system looks similar).


I would like to have not the key-passphrase as password for login.

Thanks in advance,
Oliver
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Re: xdmcp not working

[Sergio Lenzi]

Hello,

I read your email about gdm and xdmcp

My setup for 2.20 does not work at all
so I installed the "old"   2.18.3 from the ports,
(I build the package from the ports) and it works
just ok as before...

I think there is a bug in the 2.20/2.21 xdmcp code... I
had no time to fix ...

Lenzi

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Re: who wrote this

[Jerry McAllister]

On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 10:58:08AM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:

> >On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 03:23:56PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
> >
> >>All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page.
> >>http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html
> >>==
> Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive':
> * Hitler quotes.
> >>==
> >
> >I think the point is that it does not specifically belong in the offensive
> >list just because the author was Hitler, or for that matter any other
> >offensive person. Do you want it to say, it doesn't belong in the
> >offensive list just because Ronald Reagan said it - or that Limburg guy?
> >They are offensive persons.
> >
> >Well, maybe those _do_ all belong in the offensive list.
> >
> >But, the above is the meaning for the statement on the page.
> >
> >jerry
> 
> No Jerry, you misunderstood my point.  I'm not talking about which quotes 
> go into which list.  My complaint is about how that web page is structured, 
> and that its wording should be reworked. 

No, I didn't misunderstand it.   You don't like the way they are describing
which goes in to which list.   The current wording is saying that it does
not specifically belong on the offensive list just because it come from
an offensive person.   I, not too tongue-in-cheek suggested some other
examples who might be used in place of the 'hitler' name that could
categorize something coming from an offensive source but not necessarily
belong in the offensive list merely because of the source.

Actually, I think the original page wording is a little skimpy about
the concept, but the example[s] given do very well at illustrating the
intended meaning.  eg, by just saying that hitler quotes are examples
of entries that are not offensive, it leaves to ones ability to 
misunderstand or misinterpret, the reasoning behind hitler quotes not
being offensive entries.One really has to look at the other category
to see that it does not fit in the, somewhat better described, offensive
list category to pick up the reasoning for it being in the non-offensive
list, eg, it ain't one of those so it must be one of these.

So, I haven't yet thought of a good, adequately lean, but clarifying phrase, 
though if one comes to me I will submit it, but a clarifying phrase could 
well be included and the hitler example remain with it because it establishes 
a very strong case-in-point example.

jerry

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Re: xdmcp not working

[Laszlo Nagy]

I read your email about gdm and xdmcp

My setup for 2.20 does not work at all
so I installed the "old"   2.18.3 from the ports,
(I build the package from the ports) and it works
just ok as before...

I think there is a bug in the 2.20/2.21 xdmcp code... I
had no time to fix ...
  

Thank you for your quick answer. I did this:

cd /usr/ports/x11/gdm
/usr/local/etc/rc.d/gdm stop
make deinstall
pkg_add -r gdm

I got many warning messages, but finally it started to work!

Is this a know bug? Should we report it or is it already reported?

Thank you,

  Laszlo

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Re: Confusion about Ports and options framework

[RW]

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:17:01 -0800
"Zachary Kline" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> "RW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:24:32 -0800
> > "Zachary Kline" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> I've read through the sections of the handbook quite carefully,
> >> and haven't quite found what I'm looking for.
> >> To be specific, I've no plans to install X11 or anything like
> >> it on this machine yet.  I may do so in the future merely to see
> >> how accessible Gnome and such are, but not now.
> >> I note that /usr/ports/editors/emacs has several environment
> >> variables which can be set, such as WITHOUT_X11.
> >
> Call me dense, if you like.  I'm not quite sure how to do that.
> Would a simple WITHOUT_X11=YES or similar pull it off?  I got the
> impression those were environment variables, and not something
> specific to make.  

Normally it doesn't matter whether it's in the environment or
defined in make.conf. The only exception I can think of is that a
handful of ports have deinstall scripts that test for BATCH to avoid
prompting you for removing special users/groups, but can only see it if
it defined in the environment
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Re: who wrote this

[Marian Hettwer]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:51:13 +0100, Dominic Fandrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
>> 2) That's the thing, banning hitlers name is not at all what i'm trying
>> to do.  I think we should keep his quotes in the database of quotes, if
>> that's what the community thinks is appropriate.  What I'm suggesting is
>> that we remove his name from the website:
>> (http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html) because it seems to
>> innapropriately focus the attention away from the program (Fortune) and
>> unecessarily makes the FreeBSD community seem like a bunch of
>> insensitive jerks because we seemingly condone hitlers sayings.
>> ...
> 
> Quote from the linked website:
>> If an entry offends more than a couple of FreeBSD committers and does
> not
>> contain any objective poignant historical reference, the entry should be
> in
>> the offensive file.
> 
> I'm not a freebsd committer, but I do feel offended by Hitler quotes
> (being
> German that is understandable, I think). And it's unthinkable for me to
> put
> anything he said anywhere else but into offensive.
> Just by being his words a quote is put into an offensive (and not amusing)
> context.

I do agree with this statement above!
Besides I wouldn't like to see the name Hitler on freebsd's website. It just 
doesn't belong there. Especially when the website is saying, that the quotes 
are not offensive.
Please remove that entry, at least.

Thanks,
Marian

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Re: [OT] who wrote this

[neal]

On Monday 26 November 2007, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
> >Lets also remember that history is written by the
> > victors, which means they LIE!
> >neal.
>
> Wow neal, that's very nice of you.  

What is? Surely this is not the first time you have heard 
this said about history.

> are you saying that 
> hitler didn't do any of these things?  

What I was saying was contained in the post, there were no 
words missing, it was all there, complete.

> I'm not even going 
> to respond to you here, just going to re-post your words
> to show that there are still people like you out there...

Oh, you took this personally as if it was an insult directed 
at you. This is one of the problems when viewing with 
combative mind set.

> And as far as your sage to the moon quote, don't think
> too much of your own sagedom, there is always someone
> younger and smarter.  

Despite the failure of the 'message', it was honestly sent 
*to* you not *at* you as you seem to think. 

how about "we do not see the world as it is but as we are".

> You would be better off being a 
> little less "sagy" and a bit nicer.

Thanks, but you are not in a position to determine how I 
might be better or worse off.

> Now to the rest of you who are for some reason turning
> this into a Censorship issue.  It's not.  I'm asking to
> replace the text on the HTML front page with a completely
> unnecessary reference to hitler.  We're not talking about
> pruning the quotes database for controversial speakers.
>  having hitlers name there does nothing positive for the
> project and polarizes the viewing audience because it
> offends the vast majority of people, 99% of whom are not
> going to spend an evening writing to a mailing list to
> have the issue fixed. They won't think about the deep
> philosophical reasons why this should be there in
> principle.  They are going to read the page and think to
> themselves that the freebsd community are a bunch of
> jerks.

No, that is what it says to *you*. You are not everyone 
else.

> There are far better ways to express the thought than by
> simply saying "hitler quotes".  For instance it can be
> replaced with "controversial persons" or something
> similar.  

So it is about censorship. You want the name 'Hitler' erased 
from existence.

> He was not the only such person in history, so 
> we should not be focusing only on him.

> Best Regards,
>
> Artur


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Re: HP Deskjet 9800 with hpijs driver

[Roland Smith]

On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 08:05:50AM -0800, Erin McNew wrote:
> Ok.  Let's see what other information I can provide.
> 
> I was printing from the gimp.  I looked at the printer setup, and it said
> that it was using lpr.
> As for the PCL, the first line was pretty short, and the second line did
> start indented.  I don't recall if it started where the first ended, but if
> not, it was close to that.  I couldn't see any further lines, but apparently
> there were more, as the printer kept spitting out pages...

The standard printer spooler (lpr) only recognizes a couple of ancient file
types (dvi, ditroff etc). It dumps the input that it gets to a printer,
without formatting it for a certain printer. That is the job of a spooler.

I would suggest that you install the "cups" printer spooler in
combination with the "gutenprint" printer driver. If you have those
installed correctly, you should be able to select your printer from the
gimp, and it should Just Work. 

You might also need the 'ppd' file for your printer from
http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_9800. This
file tells gutenprint what the capabilities of the printer are.

Roland
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R.F.Smith   http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/
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apple bonjour served up on FBSD

[brad davison]

I am going to be making my BSD server at home available to my wife's macbook 
running Leopard.

I am planning on implementing one of the mDNSResponder systems, but I am having 
some issues deciding which one to use.

I have found the mDNSResponder from apple itself.

I have also found (in no particular order) 
avahi-server
p5-Net-Rendezvous

My end goal is a server that will be able to share out iTunes and a printer to 
a Bonjour network.

Does anyone have a suggestion on a recent setup?


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Re: [OT] who wrote this

[Boris Samorodov]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:02:53 + neal wrote:

> You want the name 'Hitler' erased from existence.

Let the name exist.
Else where but the official FreeBSD site.
Let this OS be out of politics.


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Re: who wrote this

[eBoundHost: Artur]

So, I haven't yet thought of a good, adequately lean, but clarifying 
phrase,

though if one comes to me I will submit it, but a clarifying phrase could
well be included and the hitler example remain with it because it 
establishes

a very strong case-in-point example.


How about something like this:

http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html
===
Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive':
   * Quotes from controversial historical figures, no matter how despicable 
they were.

   * Jokes about emacs/vi or your favorite technology, 
===

Or something along these lines.  It gets the point accross better than 
"hitler quotes" and does not upset a segment of our users. 


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Re: Personalised patches in ports

[Roland Smith]

On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 09:06:45AM +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> > Not if you 'chflags schg,sunlnk' it. 
> 
> If you add another file into a ports' files directory that cvsup knows
> nothing about, then cvsup will refuse to touch it.  No need for chflags
> in that case.  If you need to make local modifications to a file already
> in that directory, then yes, cvsup will replace it with the canonical
> version next time you update.
> 
> 'portsnap extract' or 'portsnap update' will however blow away local
> additions in the part of the ports tree it is operating on -- there are
> clear warnings to that effect in the man page.  chflags will preserve
> your changes in this case, but my guess is that portsnap might well 
> abort in the middle of what it's doing if it runs into an immutable file.

It hasn't aborted on me yet. But these days I tend to keep my own
patches separately, and re-apply them if necessary after a
portsnap. Just to make sure I don't screw things up. :-/

Having said that, I usually try to get changes accepted into the
official ports tree if possible. Saves a lot of hassle.

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RE: who wrote this

[John J Fitzgerald]

Can people stop responding to this thread, especially the personal OT back
and forth exchanges? I'm on the freebsd-questions list and it's clogging up
my inbox and has nothing to do with the FreeBSD operating system. I think
most agree the website should be change to exclude the specific reference to
Hitler and I'm going to email the freebsd-www list to see if I can get this
change made, unless someone has a better suggestion on how to get it
changed. Everything else is very OT. Here's one man's plea to stop this
thread now.

-JJF


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marian Hettwer
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:28 PM
To: Dominic Fandrey
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Frank Shute; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org;
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Subject: Re: who wrote this



On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:51:13 +0100, Dominic Fandrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
>> 2) That's the thing, banning hitlers name is not at all what i'm trying
>> to do.  I think we should keep his quotes in the database of quotes, if
>> that's what the community thinks is appropriate.  What I'm suggesting is
>> that we remove his name from the website:
>> (http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html) because it seems to
>> innapropriately focus the attention away from the program (Fortune) and
>> unecessarily makes the FreeBSD community seem like a bunch of
>> insensitive jerks because we seemingly condone hitlers sayings.
>> ...
> 
> Quote from the linked website:
>> If an entry offends more than a couple of FreeBSD committers and does
> not
>> contain any objective poignant historical reference, the entry should be
> in
>> the offensive file.
> 
> I'm not a freebsd committer, but I do feel offended by Hitler quotes
> (being
> German that is understandable, I think). And it's unthinkable for me to
> put
> anything he said anywhere else but into offensive.
> Just by being his words a quote is put into an offensive (and not amusing)
> context.

I do agree with this statement above!
Besides I wouldn't like to see the name Hitler on freebsd's website. It just
doesn't belong there. Especially when the website is saying, that the quotes
are not offensive.
Please remove that entry, at least.

Thanks,
Marian

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Re: FreeBSD 7/OpenLDAP: Howto change passwords

[Jonathan McKeown]

On Monday 26 November 2007 17:11, O. Hartmann wrote:
> Hello,
>
> trying to change passwords on a client machine for a LDAP authenticated
> user always fails due to the original passwd() command is not capable of
> changing passwords remotely.
> Their is a suggested patch, but is there an "official" way to do?

Hi Oliver

I've asked this question several times, here and on -hackers, with no very 
helpful response. I checked for PRs and several have been filed at various 
times and are in various different states.

As far as I can tell, the changes necessary to make passwd(1) work with the 
PAM infrastructure were made some years ago, but were diked out by a switch 
statement which appears to prevent a change to anything but /etc/passwd or 
NIS/YP. This switch relies on a set of constants which are themselves 
commented in the source as being ``bogus''.

The answer to our question may well be something like ``historical reasons'' 
or ``Principle of Least Astonishment'', but please, someone...

Is there a sound reason not to remove this guard statement and allow passwd(1) 
to change passwords in accordance with a PAM policy, as it is coded to do?

I've already offered to submit a patch if necessary: it hardly even needs a 
knowledge of C to fix this one - simply remove a switch statement and replace 
it with a simple printf.

Jonathan
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RE: who wrote this

[Paul Schmehl]

--On Monday, November 26, 2007 13:24:52 -0500 John J Fitzgerald 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Can people stop responding to this thread, especially the personal OT back
and forth exchanges? I'm on the freebsd-questions list and it's clogging
up my inbox and has nothing to do with the FreeBSD operating system. I
think most agree the website should be change to exclude the specific
reference to Hitler and I'm going to email the freebsd-www list to see if
I can get this change made, unless someone has a better suggestion on how
to get it changed. Everything else is very OT. Here's one man's plea to
stop this thread now.

The answer was posted a while ago.  Whoever is so motivated should submit a 
pr to get the page edited.  That's how things are done at FreeBSD.


And that should end this thread in questions.

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Re: Strange kernel log message

[Bruce Cran]

Giorgos Keramidas wrote:

On 2007-11-26 09:58, Ceri Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

So I have this in my security run output:
kernel log messages:
+++ /tmp/security.hLYJI0kF  Sun Nov 25 03:01:02 2007
+222>2>>>NNNMNMMIII M  III SIISAS SAAA  3 303,020,0 ,,  EE IEIIESSSAIAA S A 
f ff
+
+
+f

WTF now?

I'm not sure if that's a real kernel message that got garbled or whether
I should be worried about naughtiness.



It looks like multiple messages overlapping each other.  Removing 3
characters every 4 bytes in the output produces things which seem
vaguely recognizable:

<22NNI II A ,,,EISA  fff
<<2>NMI  SS 300  ISAAfff

There's a sysctl option which you can tweak to make this less likely to
happen, but I am not sure about its name.  Our console gurus can help
you track it down and tune its value :)

  


The kernel option I've seen mentioned before to at least make this less 
common is:


options PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE=128# Prevent printf output being interspersed.

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Major filesystem problems after crash on 7.0-BETA3

[Doug Poland]

Hello,

This morning my 7.0-BETA3 i386 system (Compaq nx7400) reset shortly
after starting X11.  I didn't think much of it and went to get a cup
of coffee while the background fsck took care of the file systems.

Unforunately, something's still broke.  At first, when I tried to
access the /var or /tmp filesystems, I received panics similar to:

mode = 0100644, inum = 31127, fs = /tmp
panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc
cpuid = 0
Uptime: 9s
Physical memory: 3435 MB
Dumping 101 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error.
status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0

** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) **
Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort


After doing some googling, it looked like my filesystems weren't
really clean after several manual runs of fsck.  So I disabled
softupdates on /var and /tmp and ran fsck on those file systems again.
 After mounting them rw, I attempted to hit the filesystem again, this
time getting a panic:

panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch
cpuid = 1
Uptime: 6m40s
Physical memory: 3435 MB
Dumping 149 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error.
status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0

** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) **
Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort

Is there a way to identify and fix these errors?  I'm thinking a newfs
of both /var and /tmp is in order.  I don't really care about /tmp,
and I've backed up /var using dump(8).  My concern is if I restore
/var on top of a newfs'd filesystem, I'll restore my broken files and
have the same problem again.

Please advise...


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Doug

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Re: FreeBSD 7/OpenLDAP: Howto change passwords

[James Harrison]

On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 21:23 +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote:
> On Monday 26 November 2007 17:11, O. Hartmann wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > trying to change passwords on a client machine for a LDAP authenticated
> > user always fails due to the original passwd() command is not capable of
> > changing passwords remotely.
> > Their is a suggested patch, but is there an "official" way to do?
> 
> Hi Oliver
> 
> I've asked this question several times, here and on -hackers, with no very 
> helpful response. I checked for PRs and several have been filed at various 
> times and are in various different states.
> 
> As far as I can tell, the changes necessary to make passwd(1) work with the 
> PAM infrastructure were made some years ago, but were diked out by a switch 
> statement which appears to prevent a change to anything but /etc/passwd or 
> NIS/YP. This switch relies on a set of constants which are themselves 
> commented in the source as being ``bogus''.
> 
> The answer to our question may well be something like ``historical reasons'' 
> or ``Principle of Least Astonishment'', but please, someone...
> 
> Is there a sound reason not to remove this guard statement and allow 
> passwd(1) 
> to change passwords in accordance with a PAM policy, as it is coded to do?
> 
> I've already offered to submit a patch if necessary: it hardly even needs a 
> knowledge of C to fix this one - simply remove a switch statement and replace 
> it with a simple printf.
> 
> Jonathan
> ___

My advice would honestly be to write the patch and submit it. 

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Performance problems after upgrade from xorg 7.2 -> 7.3

[Bill Moran]

I upgraded my ports over the holiday, and I'm having a number
of problems with xorg.  I'll address them one at a time, in
order of most problematic ...

Right now, the worst is the lousy performance.  Using the exact
same xorg.conf that I had in 7.2, the performance of window
resizes is terrible.  I had no problems with this in 7.2.

For example, if I open a terminal window, then hit the maximize
button, it takes almost 3 seconds to maximize it.  Again xorg
7.2 didn't have this problem.  Is there some new config option
in 7.3 that I need to enable?  I'm not seeing performance
problems anywhere else that I can find (moving windows around,
for example, seems to work fine).

Could it be my wm (xfce4) ... as I upgraded it at the same time?

FreeBSD vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com 6.2-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 
6.2-RELEASE-p5 #9: Tue Jun  5 17:33:30 EDT 2007 [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VANQUISH  i386

$ dmesg | grep Radeon
drm0:  port 0xdc00-0xdcff mem 
0xe800-0xefff,0xfe5e-0xfe5e irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci4

$ pkg_info | grep xorg
xorg-7.3_1  X.Org complete distribution metaport
xorg-apps-7.3   X.org apps meta-port
xorg-cf-files-1.0.2_2 X.org cf files for use with imake builds
xorg-docs-1.4,1 X.org documentation files
xorg-drivers-7.3X.org drivers meta-port
xorg-fonts-100dpi-7.3 X.Org 100dpi bitmap fonts
xorg-fonts-7.3  X.org fonts meta-port
xorg-fonts-75dpi-7.3 X.Org 75dpi bitmap fonts
xorg-fonts-cyrillic-7.3 X.Org Cyrillic bitmap fonts
xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps-7.3 X.Org miscellaneous bitmap fonts
xorg-fonts-truetype-7.3 X.Org TrueType fonts
xorg-fonts-type1-7.3 X.Org Type1 fonts
xorg-libraries-7.3_1 X.org libraries meta-port
xorg-protos-7.3 X.org protos meta-port
xorg-server-1.4_3,1 X.Org X server and related programs

$ pkg_info | grep xfce
gtk-xfce-engine-2.4.1_1 An XFCE engine for GTK 2.0
libxfce4gui-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 widget library required by xfce4 and xfwm4
libxfce4mcs-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 settings management library used by most XFce 4 modu
libxfce4util-4.4.1  XFce 4 library with non-graphical helper functions
mousepad-0.2.12_2   Simple xfce editor
xfce-4.4.1_1The "meta-port" for the XFce 4 desktop environment
xfce4-appfinder-4.4.1_1 Find application in the system supporting Desktop entry 
for
xfce4-desktop-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 desktop background manager and root menu
xfce4-icon-theme-4.4.1_1 Icon themes for XFce 4
xfce4-mcs-manager-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 settings manager
xfce4-mcs-plugins-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 settings manager plugins
xfce4-mixer-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 volume mixer module for xfce4-panel
xfce4-panel-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 panel module
xfce4-print-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 graphical frontend for printing
xfce4-session-4.4.1_1 Session manager for the Xfce 4 desktop environment
xfce4-utils-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 essential utilities and scripts
xfce4-wm-4.4.1_2XFce 4 window manager
xfce4-wm-themes-4.4.1 XFce 4 window decoration themes for xfwm4


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Re: Performance problems after upgrade from xorg 7.2 -> 7.3

[Pieter de Goeje]

On Monday 26 November 2007, Bill Moran wrote:
> I upgraded my ports over the holiday, and I'm having a number
> of problems with xorg.  I'll address them one at a time, in
> order of most problematic ...
>
> Right now, the worst is the lousy performance.  Using the exact
> same xorg.conf that I had in 7.2, the performance of window
> resizes is terrible.  I had no problems with this in 7.2.
>
> For example, if I open a terminal window, then hit the maximize
> button, it takes almost 3 seconds to maximize it.  Again xorg
> 7.2 didn't have this problem.  Is there some new config option
> in 7.3 that I need to enable?  I'm not seeing performance
> problems anywhere else that I can find (moving windows around,
> for example, seems to work fine).
>
> Could it be my wm (xfce4) ... as I upgraded it at the same time?
>
> FreeBSD vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com 6.2-RELEASE-p5
> FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p5 #9: Tue Jun  5 17:33:30 EDT 2007
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VANQUIS
>H  i386
>
> $ dmesg | grep Radeon
> drm0:  port 0xdc00-0xdcff mem
> 0xe800-0xefff,0xfe5e-0xfe5e irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci4
>
> $ pkg_info | grep xorg
> xorg-7.3_1  X.Org complete distribution metaport
> xorg-apps-7.3   X.org apps meta-port
> xorg-cf-files-1.0.2_2 X.org cf files for use with imake builds
> xorg-docs-1.4,1 X.org documentation files
> xorg-drivers-7.3X.org drivers meta-port
> xorg-fonts-100dpi-7.3 X.Org 100dpi bitmap fonts
> xorg-fonts-7.3  X.org fonts meta-port
> xorg-fonts-75dpi-7.3 X.Org 75dpi bitmap fonts
> xorg-fonts-cyrillic-7.3 X.Org Cyrillic bitmap fonts
> xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps-7.3 X.Org miscellaneous bitmap fonts
> xorg-fonts-truetype-7.3 X.Org TrueType fonts
> xorg-fonts-type1-7.3 X.Org Type1 fonts
> xorg-libraries-7.3_1 X.org libraries meta-port
> xorg-protos-7.3 X.org protos meta-port
> xorg-server-1.4_3,1 X.Org X server and related programs
>
> $ pkg_info | grep xfce
> gtk-xfce-engine-2.4.1_1 An XFCE engine for GTK 2.0
> libxfce4gui-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 widget library required by xfce4 and xfwm4
> libxfce4mcs-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 settings management library used by most XFce 4
> modu libxfce4util-4.4.1  XFce 4 library with non-graphical helper functions
> mousepad-0.2.12_2   Simple xfce editor
> xfce-4.4.1_1The "meta-port" for the XFce 4 desktop environment
> xfce4-appfinder-4.4.1_1 Find application in the system supporting Desktop
> entry for xfce4-desktop-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 desktop background manager and root
> menu xfce4-icon-theme-4.4.1_1 Icon themes for XFce 4
> xfce4-mcs-manager-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 settings manager
> xfce4-mcs-plugins-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 settings manager plugins
> xfce4-mixer-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 volume mixer module for xfce4-panel
> xfce4-panel-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 panel module
> xfce4-print-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 graphical frontend for printing
> xfce4-session-4.4.1_1 Session manager for the Xfce 4 desktop environment
> xfce4-utils-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 essential utilities and scripts
> xfce4-wm-4.4.1_2XFce 4 window manager
> xfce4-wm-themes-4.4.1 XFce 4 window decoration themes for xfwm4

Some components of xfce have trouble with the composite extension, which is 
enabled by default in 7.3.
Add the following section to xorg.conf to fix:

Section "Extensions"
Option "Composite" "Disable"
EndSection

Hope this helps,

Pieter de Goeje
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Kill states with pfctl wildcard?

[Jay Deiman]

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I'm wondering if there is a "wildcard" that can be used in conjunction
with "pfctl -k".

Specifically, if I wanted to kill states from any number of internal
machines to one external address.  Basically a command such as:

pfctl -k any -k external.host.com

I've tried the word "any" (as above) and that does not work.  Is there
any way to do this?

Thanks,

Jay
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Re: who wrote this

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 07:43:12PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
> 
> I'm not going to reply to your personal attack

The fact that you took anything Giorgios said as a "personal attack" may
provide a hint as to why you think the comment on the indicated page of
the freebsd.org site is offensive.

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Re: Desktop printing, a request for your experiences

[Predrag Punosevac]

Dominic Marks wrote:

List,

Can anyone give me their experiences of desktop printing
(OpenOffice/KDE/Gnome/Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird, etc) recently?
I haven't tried for a while but it was a pain to setup and maintain 
the last

time I looked at it.

If you are using this for "real-work" and you are getting good results 
please

let me know what you are using (software and hardware ideally).

The environment I would like to put this into is a family house, very 
small

setup with 2 PCs and 2 printers. Currently both are Windows PCs but
one is experiencing all of the classic issues with a multi-year Windows
installation and since they are used exclusively for E-Mail and word
processing I am interested in migrating one PC over to FreeBSD.

.. If the solution was a Linux distro (box package, or otherwise) I would
also be interested.
... I am not a subscriber so please keep me CC'ed in the discussion.

Cheers
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My printing works perfect on all my machines (6 in total) and 2 
printers. including printing from applications like Gimp.
Printers are HP OfficeJet R60 and HP LaserJet 4L. I used both CUPS and 
LPD + apsfilter. I prefer LPD+apsfilter in particularly
since LPD is included in base distribution. I have not played too much 
with LPRng+ifhp but I was able to set up basic printing in 30 minutes 
using that spooling system as well.


I noticed that many applications have substandard built in ps filters. 
CUPS base filter cannot print dvi files :-(.

I found a2ps useful for conversion to ps.

Cheers,
Predrag


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Re: Major filesystem problems after crash on 7.0-BETA3

[Doug Poland]

On Mon, November 26, 2007 14:26, Doug Poland wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This morning my 7.0-BETA3 i386 system (Compaq nx7400) reset shortly
> after starting X11.  I didn't think much of it and went to get a cup
> of coffee while the background fsck took care of the file systems.
>
> Unforunately, something's still broke.  At first, when I tried to
> access the /var or /tmp filesystems, I received panics similar to:
>
> mode = 0100644, inum = 31127, fs = /tmp
> panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc
> cpuid = 0
> Uptime: 9s
> Physical memory: 3435 MB
> Dumping 101 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error.
> status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0
>
> ** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) **
> Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort
>
>
> After doing some googling, it looked like my filesystems weren't
> really clean after several manual runs of fsck.  So I disabled
> softupdates on /var and /tmp and ran fsck on those file systems again.
> After mounting them rw, I attempted to hit the filesystem again, this
> time getting a panic:
>
> panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch
> cpuid = 1
> Uptime: 6m40s
> Physical memory: 3435 MB
> Dumping 149 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error.
> status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0
>
> ** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) **
> Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort
>
> Is there a way to identify and fix these errors?  I'm thinking a newfs
> of both /var and /tmp is in order.  I don't really care about /tmp,
> and I've backed up /var using dump(8).  My concern is if I restore
> /var on top of a newfs'd filesystem, I'll restore my broken files and
> have the same problem again.
>
Just a follow-up...  Everytime I run a  manual fsck on the problem
filesystems, it returns:


BLK(S) MISSING IN BITMAPS
SALVAGE?

* FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *


So it would appear that fsck is unable to repair damage, is that correct?

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Doug

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1GB USB-Fat device refusing access

[Tino Engel]

Dear all,

I am currently trying to get my mp3-player to work with freebsd.

FreeBSD freebsdangel.de 7.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 7.0-BETA3 #1: Sun Nov 18 
15:40:16 CET 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  
i386


When attaching the device to an usb-port I receive an error message as 
follows:


uhub2: device problem (INVAL), disabling port 6

I slightly recall, that for FAT devices over 512MB some 
"largefile-option" had to be enabled.

But as far as I have googled, the option is deprecated on 7.0.

It makes no difference running the device in MTP (Microsoft 
semi-proprietary MediaTransferProtokoll as implemented in libmtp on 
FreeBSD) or MSC (MassStorageClass -> "external usb-disc mode") mode, the 
error stay the same.


Common Linux-Test reports say my device is working fine on linux. So it 
should on FreeBSD I guess.



Has anyone an idea, how to get more detailled input (than I got from 
dmesg) or how to enable the device.


Best regards, Tino
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Re: HP Deskjet 9800 with hpijs driver

[Predrag Punosevac]

Erin McNew wrote:

On Nov 25, 2007 11:27 PM, Matthias Apitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

El día Sunday, November 25, 2007 a las 10:23:05PM -0800, Erin McNew
escribió:



I've been trying to get my photo printer working recently, and seem to
  

have


run into a bit of a snag.  I just tried to print out a picture as a
  

test,


and instead of a picture, I got: PCL commands across the top of one page
  

of


photo paper, and the printer spewed the rest of my paper out empty
  

(taught


me an important lesson about testing without having large quantities of
photo paper in the printer...)
Anyway, I was looking on google, and I don't seem to see other people
  

having


this problem, but I'm not sure what I could've done wrong.  I'm using
  

the


hpijs driver, which is supposed to work perfectly under linux, and works
perfectly for my other hp printer.  Is this printer just not supported
  

by


FreeBSD?  I couldn't find anything that stated directly either way in my
quick googling, so I was hoping somebody here might have some ideas for
things to check, etc.

Thanks!
~TuxGirl
  

Maybe it could help if you explain exactly how do you print the
file, from command line or from some kind of application?
The PCL across the top of one page, does it looks like stairs?
I.e. does start the 2nd line where 1st line ends?

   matthias




Ok.  Let's see what other information I can provide.

I was printing from the gimp.  I looked at the printer setup, and it said
that it was using lpr.
As for the PCL, the first line was pretty short, and the second line did
start indented.  I don't recall if it started where the first ended, but if
not, it was close to that.  I couldn't see any further lines, but apparently
there were more, as the printer kept spitting out pages...

Thanks!
~Erin

  



That is a probably a Gimp problem. You have to configure printing on 
Gimp before you start printing. What kind of ps filter does Gimp use? 
What happens when you manually pass your image through a2ps filter and 
try to print that ps file. Do you still have bad image?


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Re: who wrote this

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 07:48:35PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
> Erik,
> 
> This is a very wise thing that you just said, and I agree with you almost 
> completely.  The difference is that your very own words are a brilliant way 
> to say it, and would be wonderful to replace the "Hitler quotes" that is 
> there now.  So, if someone would replace it with your quote, I would be 
> completely satisfied:
> 
> >>the speaker of the quote is not to be the
> >>basis for categorizing the quote as offensive.

Considering the very specific tendency of some people to find any mention
of Hitler offensive, I'd say the text should be modified in a manner
similar to this:

  A quote whose source you find offensive.  This includes, but is not
  limited to, Hitler quotes.

. . . or we could just leave it as is, with a footnote explaining the
meaning behind the mention of Hitler quotes.  Either way, I rather
suspect that entirely failing to mention "Hitler quotes" specifically
will result in greater incidence of people complaining that Hitler quotes
should be removed.

-- 
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until it's old and tough."
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Re: Performance problems after upgrade from xorg 7.2 -> 7.3

[Bill Moran]

In response to Pieter de Goeje <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Monday 26 November 2007, Bill Moran wrote:
> > I upgraded my ports over the holiday, and I'm having a number
> > of problems with xorg.  I'll address them one at a time, in
> > order of most problematic ...
> >
> > Right now, the worst is the lousy performance.  Using the exact
> > same xorg.conf that I had in 7.2, the performance of window
> > resizes is terrible.  I had no problems with this in 7.2.
> >
> > For example, if I open a terminal window, then hit the maximize
> > button, it takes almost 3 seconds to maximize it.  Again xorg
> > 7.2 didn't have this problem.  Is there some new config option
> > in 7.3 that I need to enable?  I'm not seeing performance
> > problems anywhere else that I can find (moving windows around,
> > for example, seems to work fine).
> >
> > Could it be my wm (xfce4) ... as I upgraded it at the same time?

[snip]

> Some components of xfce have trouble with the composite extension, which is 
> enabled by default in 7.3.
> Add the following section to xorg.conf to fix:
> 
> Section "Extensions"
> Option "Composite" "Disable"
> EndSection
> 
> Hope this helps,

It absolutely solved the problem.  Thanks!

-- 
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Re: [OT] who wrote this

[Chad Perrin]

On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 09:49:17PM +0300, Boris Samorodov wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:02:53 + neal wrote:
> 
> > You want the name 'Hitler' erased from existence.
> 
> Let the name exist.
> Else where but the official FreeBSD site.
> Let this OS be out of politics.

. . . by censoring the word "Hitler"?

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They always say that when life gives you lemons you should make lemonade. 
I always wonder -- isn't the lemonade going to suck if life doesn't give
you any sugar?
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Re: who wrote this

[Chad Perrin]

On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 05:51:13PM +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote:
> eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
> > 2) That's the thing, banning hitlers name is not at all what i'm trying
> > to do.  I think we should keep his quotes in the database of quotes, if
> > that's what the community thinks is appropriate.  What I'm suggesting is
> > that we remove his name from the website:
> > (http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html) because it seems to
> > innapropriately focus the attention away from the program (Fortune) and
> > unecessarily makes the FreeBSD community seem like a bunch of
> > insensitive jerks because we seemingly condone hitlers sayings.
> > ...
> 
> Quote from the linked website:
> > If an entry offends more than a couple of FreeBSD committers and does not
> > contain any objective poignant historical reference, the entry should be in
> > the offensive file.
> 
> I'm not a freebsd committer, but I do feel offended by Hitler quotes (being
> German that is understandable, I think). And it's unthinkable for me to put
> anything he said anywhere else but into offensive.
> Just by being his words a quote is put into an offensive (and not amusing)
> context.

I'm offended by Germany's tendency to jail people for talking about
Hitler, too -- but I don't let that convince me to killfile everything
said by Germans on this list.  Just as not all things Hitler said should
necessarily be wiped from memory (in fact, I believe they should be
carefully saved and studied to help us understand where the world went
wrong in allowing his crimes to be committed), not all statements by
people who want to censor Hitler's words (or even those that happen to be
nationally associated with such people) should be censored either.

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if he knew he would never be found out."
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Re: who wrote this

[Chad Perrin]

On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 10:05:05AM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
> 
> 1) first of all, i don't think that freebsd operating system is an 
> appropriate forum to express political views.  so whether we are for or 
> against censorship or democracy or fascism or communism, it really does not 
> matter.  what matters is how good our coding is, and how appropriate the 
> wording on our website.  because like it or not, we have to present a 
> decent website that does not offend our users and does not make us look bad 
> in front of non-users.

I find that ironic, considering any attempt to pretend Hitler didn't
exist is, in itself, a political statement.  The statement that Hitler
quotes are not to be relegated to the "offensive" file just because
Hitler said them is about as anti-political a statement as one can make.
It basically means "I don't care about your political sensibilities.
Quotes will be judged based on whether they're interesting, not whether
you have some kind of political problem with them."  It's more succinct,
though, and makes the very clear point that people should stop trying to
get Hitler quotes moved into "offensive".


> 
> grandmother also has some interesting things to say but you don't put her 
> name on the front page of the Fortune program because it's not appropriate. 
> Same thing here.  Just not an appropriate forum.

What Hitler said wasn't placed on the FreeBSD fortune page, either.  Your
analogy is broken.

-- 
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Larry Wall: "A script is what you give the actors.  A program is what you
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[SOLVED] Re: 1GB USB-Fat device refusing access

[Tino Engel]

Tino Engel schrieb:

Dear all,

I am currently trying to get my mp3-player to work with freebsd.

FreeBSD freebsdangel.de 7.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 7.0-BETA3 #1: Sun Nov 18 
15:40:16 CET 2007 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386


When attaching the device to an usb-port I receive an error message as 
follows:


uhub2: device problem (INVAL), disabling port 6

I slightly recall, that for FAT devices over 512MB some 
"largefile-option" had to be enabled.

But as far as I have googled, the option is deprecated on 7.0.

It makes no difference running the device in MTP (Microsoft 
semi-proprietary MediaTransferProtokoll as implemented in libmtp on 
FreeBSD) or MSC (MassStorageClass -> "external usb-disc mode") mode, 
the error stay the same.


Common Linux-Test reports say my device is working fine on linux. So 
it should on FreeBSD I guess.



Has anyone an idea, how to get more detailled input (than I got from 
dmesg) or how to enable the device.


Best regards, Tino
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Well, I solved the problem myself.
Attaching to another uhub solved the problem (whysoever)

Greez, Tino
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Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3?

[Kris Kennaway]

Chris wrote:

On 26/11/2007, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Tore Lund wrote:

Ivan Voras wrote:

Dave wrote:

Hello,
   How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their any
outstanding issues?

Probably no major bugs will be fixed between now and 7.0 so you might as
well start using it now.

It's "stable enough" like all .0 releases, meaning you should throughly
test it for your own workload before using it in production.

Just curious, what is the "official" forum for pre-release discussions?
I notice there are some threads on the "current" list, but it seems to
me that this is really "questions" stuff, since it is an upcoming release.

freebsd-stable is probably best.


In any case, I tried the boot-only CD, and I was not able to install any
packages during the install process.  Sysinstall aborted with Signal 11
when trying to read INDEX from the ftp site.  Pkg_add from the command
line seems to work, however, so it looks like I may get online from
7.0-BETA3 tomorrow.

That is expected, packages are not available until later in the release
cycle.


Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program?  I have
read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of
7.0-BETA3.  Personally, I would much rather type a long list of commands
than use the old, rickety sysinstall.

One is in early development, but not even complete let alone ready to
replace sysinstall.

Kris
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Kris can I ask what sort of importance bugs that cause crashes (page
faults) are?
I reported 2 bugs before BETA1 both these bugs involved 7.0 getting a
page fault and of course then stop responding requiring a reboot yet
both PRs have had no response and both bugs are still present in BETA3
I see minor issues been worked on such as responsiveness in desktop
use whilst issues that cause system crashes are left unattended.  Is
FreeBSD primarily a desktop os now and thats the new path?


Of course not :P  What are the PR references?


Try this.

Login to twice on ssh.
If not root su both to root.
using the 2nd tty do a watch -W on the first tty.
on the first tty type 'killall watch'
you have now crashed freebsd 7 and most probably a auto reboot timer
is counting down.


I can confirm this.


Even typing reboot to reboot the server causes page faults.


But not this.

Kris

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tao2 won't reboot.

[Gary Kline]

I rebuilt and installed new kernel; now the boot process hangs at sio0;
it looks like it is having trouble with  irq4.

at the start of the boot process it says it''s missing "AUTOload";
this is probably why it won't boot.  

suggestions welcome.

gary


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Re: short Q

[jekillen]

On Nov 26, 2007, at 2:57 AM, Gerard Seibert wrote:


On November 25, 2007 at 09:51PM jekillen wrote:


[ snip ]


Thank you all for responses.
I did get this straightened out:
It is mysql_enable="YES"
and putting a script named mysql
in the /etc/rc.d directory with the
lines;
#! /bin/sh
/usr/local/bin/mysqld_safe --user=mysql &
did the trick. This is what the mysql docs
prescribe for starting the server. Perhaps
that is not the best way to go about it at
system start, but it works.
Thanks again;
Jeff K


Did you install this from ports? If so. the script would have been 
placed

there all ready.
Yes, that is what provoked the original question. I had built and 
installed

from source tarball in the past. But one machine was always a problem.
Once I did install from ports I was lacking info. The startup script 
was not
in /etc/rc.d (although I have subsequently got into on 
/usr/local/etc/rc.d)

I had followed instructions from MySQL documentation and put the script
they supplied in /etc/rc.d; mysql.server, but for some reason the script
did not actually start MyQSL. But the systems seems to look for some
thing with mysql in the name and runs it if it is in /etc/rc.d. That is 
how

I figured out what to do. (or maybe the system will try to run anything
that is in /etc/rc.d if there is a corresponding enable line in rc.conf 
it

understands). The academic question is, is the program that runs the
startup routine, itself a script or is it a binary?
Thanks

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Am I back? Re: kernel fault trying to add atapicam...

[Gary Kline]

Folks (to the whole list, but esp'ly Messes Smith [NL & AU],

I'll believe that my ISDN link is working when/if I see this
echoed from the -questions list.  I was busy rebuilding my 6.2
GENERIC kernel after having added 

^device atapicam

72 hours ago when my feed slowed, then stopped.  It `sputtered'
a couple times over the next several hours.   By 03:35 I was
convinced that every thing on my LAN was working perfectly.  
My ISP said it was my ISDN line; they called the local telco.
Turned out that the telco would have to "roll a truck".  Which 
may have already happened since I saw blinking LED's on my router.
((*))

Lest I stray *too* far OT, I'll share the results of my 3rd 
kernel rebuild on this Dell.   It crapped out; it hung after
printing out the sio0 line.  I had to powercycle and went in by
typing "8" (??) and by hand booting /boot/kernel.old.  I tried
twice more by removing part of the additions to GENERIC.  Same;
the new kernel still hung.

Here are the sizes of the new kernel (with atapicam) and 
the old.

-r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  7206901 Nov 23 21:00 kernel
-r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  4001279 Apr  9  2007 kernel

I realize that drivers can require a lot of space, but not
over 1.2 megs.   Att any rate, the newer kernel hangs.

I will upgrade to the newest 6.2 and try to get the audio
toys functioning.   But does anybody know where I fouled up?
Could it be as simple as Not having done a make clean
before doing a make buildkernel?  I don't burn // copy audio
discs that often and haven't ever copied a DVD; I just want these
new utilities to work.

Thanks, people,

gary









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Automatic FSCK for an ext2 disk

[Mike Jeays]

I added a second IDE disk to a FreeBSD system, and formatted it as ext2.  (I 
do have a good reason for doing this).

The system lost power last night.  On reboot, the UFS filesystems were 
repaired automatically, but I had to do a manual fsck on the new disk in 
single-user mode.  

Is there a way to make sure an ext2 filesystem gets automatically fscked as 
well as the UFS partitions on the primary disk?
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Re: who wrote this

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

eBoundHost: Artur wrote:

On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 08:12:36PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:




1) first of all, i don't think that freebsd operating system is an 
appropriate forum to express political views.  so whether we are for or 
against censorship or democracy or fascism or communism, it really does 
not matter.  what matters is how good our coding is, and how appropriate 
the wording on our website.  because like it or not, we have to present 
a decent website that does not offend our users and does not make us 
look bad in front of non-users.


this reasoning was one of the main excuses of Germans after the war was 
lost. 'I only did my job'.


that's what the community thinks is appropriate.  What I'm suggesting is 
that we remove his name from the website: 


Is there a shorter way to express the same thing?

freedoms.  All they will see is that we seemingly support Hitler.  Why 
don't we have other names controversial during our times like Mussolini, 
Stalin, or even Gorge Bush?


Because they are just lousy copy cats. But one has at least a serious 
chance to make it up to become the new leader of the pack.



One thing is for sure, Adolf Schicklgruber still keep people busy.

Erich
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eyeOS

[Tech Valley Internet - Tony Kivits]

Hello,

I have just installed eyeOS from the ports but have noticed that the 
port is a little out of date.


Has anyone had any success in updating to eyeOS 1.2 and if so, what 
did you have to do to make it work?


I have tried to run the update.php script but that seems to break things.

Thanks,
Tony Kivits

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RE: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken)

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Richards
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 3:45 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a
> new port if send-pr is broken)
> 
> 
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:15:59 +0200
> Giorgos Keramidas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I don't think there's an easy way to set up the local Sendmail
> > installation to *receive* email from the world without some sort of
> > `static address' though. 
> 
> Actually there is an easy way, I do it here at my work station which is
> on a boat, and uses many different modes of connectivity. All of which
> are floating IPs.
> 
> Get a domain name at dyndns. ANYTHING.servebbs.com/net/org. (it's free) 
> 
> You can also DNS any domain you own for about $29.00/Year, and simply
> MX your mail to your dynamic domain machine on a variety of alternative
> ports.
> 

To be perfectly clear this isn't really receiving mail.  Your configuring
a system at dydns.org or some other mail forwarder to receive your
mail for you then forward it on to your system using the alternative
port.

You can just as easily set up a mailbox on the dydns server (or
whoever will sell you a mailbox - tons of ISPs will do it) and
fetchmail your mail via POP3 from it.

> Install ddclient on your machine; it will keep your IP updated at
> dyndns.
> 
> Install an mta, like sendmail, and smart-host it to your ISP; or
> smart-host it to dyndns if your ISP can't/won't do it.
> 
> I have been doing this for about 2 years now, and have had no problems
> at all.
> 

I'm sure you don't because in effect your doing exactly the same thing
that any typical e-mail client does - your offloading the heavy lifting
of receiving mail - the spam and antivirus filtering - to a real mailserver
somewhere on the Internet.

Frankly, unless you processing mail for a lot of people, there is no
benefit to running your own mailserver, and you really ought to be
using a client-server model for getting mail, as you are doing.  The
OP just hasn't realized this yet.

Ted
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Re: who wrote this

[icantthinkofone]

Oh, who the heck cares.  The guy is dead and he's not going to hurt you 
so get a life people.  If you ban Hitler then ban Stalin and Mussolini 
and let's go back another thousand years and dig up those graves, too.  
Move on!

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RE: who wrote this

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of DAve
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 6:30 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: who wrote this
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> I've been asking Google for a Veteran's Day logo since 2000,
> maybe 1999. I was told they finally did a Veteran's Day logo,
> but none of the links I was given return anything but a
> normal Google logo.
> 

Dave, when the Google webmaster does get around to updating the
logo, the Veteran's Day logo will appear on this page with
the rest of them:

http://www.google.com/intl/en/holidaylogos.html

And, I did in fact see a Veterans day logo used this year.  If
you must continue to beat this horse, you need to start asking
them to update the above URL.

> Sad, very sad. Maybe the Chinese Government didn't like it?
> 

I don't see why - they got their logo in 2005.

Ted
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Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken)

[Aryeh M. Friedman]

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> Frankly, unless you processing mail for a lot of people, there is no
> benefit to running your own mailserver, and you really ought to be
> using a client-server model for getting mail, as you are doing.  The
> OP just hasn't realized this yet.

Actually I am processing mail for over a dozen people and almost 100
diff addrs so it does make sense if it is possible.


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Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken)

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>
> > Frankly, unless you processing mail for a lot of people, there is no
> > benefit to running your own mailserver, and you really ought to be
> > using a client-server model for getting mail, as you are doing.  The
> > OP just hasn't realized this yet.
>
> Actually I am processing mail for over a dozen people and almost 100
> diff addrs so it does make sense if it is possible.
>
>

Oops forgot to mention there is a small set of complicating factors:

1. The people and addrs I process mail for all have the same domain
but live in locations all around the globe (virtual company)

2. The domain should/must be the same as the company's web page (see
my sig for addr) which is on a convention web hosting arrangement

3. As far I can all inbound/outbound smtp/http (25, 587, and 80) are
blocked by the ISP (they offer them under a business package that also
includes a static IP but currently that is too pricey)

4. The ISP is the only one in my area (semi-rural) that offers high
speed bandwidth

5. Even though my web hoster offers mail forwarding it does not offer
mail box and/or mailing list hosting (having prepaid for 2 years and
only being 2 months into the deal I am not going to switch providers)
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