Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-16 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady,

 Jim, please, retest with latest bootfix version (1.3) - now it analyzes
 not only default, but also current BPB.

Zip file sent to you.

 beta9rc4 is outdated
 and definitely should be updated.

Considering comments by Luchezar G, there's something wrong on the server I 
got that ISO image off of. Perhaps it's dishing out old cached copies of 2.9  
not current build.

 This (error in creating C:\KERNEL.SYS by SYS) is, probably, result of
 running SYS under older kernel? I think, if you now boot under newer kernel,
 then this error will disappear.

THAT particular error WAS under newest build 2033_32. I got it after booting 
off of such a floppy disk created by that build.
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-15 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:45:43 +0300 (MSK), Arkady V.Belousov wrote:

So, there was a bug in kernel, which was used previously. This
should be reported for those, who prepare ISO images: beta9rc4 is 
outdated and definitely should be updated.
There is something wrong here. The latest official kernel (build 2033) 
went out on 31 January. Pre-release 4 distribution went out 5 days later, 
on 5 February. So it did include kernel 2033!

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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-15 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi!

15--2004 12:23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Luchezar Georgiev) wrote to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 should be reported for those, who prepare ISO images: beta9rc4 is
 outdated and definitely should be updated.
LG There is something wrong here. The latest official kernel (build 2033)
LG went out on 31 January. Pre-release 4 distribution went out 5 days later,
LG on 5 February. So it did include kernel 2033!

 I only try to remind words of Jim Lilly, which has troubles with this
edition - and he report, that there was SYS 2.9. After updating kernel (and
SYS) to 2033 FAT32 Zip diskette was handled correctly.




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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-14 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:16:00 CST, Jim Lilly wrote:

If I remember correctly, FAT32 volumes must be at least 128 MB in size.
Where might I read up on that info?
Microsoft have stated that the minimum is even 256 MB (in 
http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/usingwindows/maintaining/articles/901Jan/Fat32.asp) 
but I remember that someone was trying to boot FreeDOS off a 64 MB FAT32 
partition, which didn't work, but when he switched to a 128 MB partition, 
it worked. Unfortunately, I'm not good at searching old messages, so I was 
unable to find the exact message, and even don't know in which mailing 
list it was - sorry!

In any case, ZIP disks must be formatted with FAT16 and nothing else.

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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Luchezar,

 In any case, ZIP disks must be formatted with FAT16 and nothing else.

Yep, just had the link to Iomega stating that sent to me.
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi!

12--2004 21:08 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Lilly) wrote to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Arkady V.Belousov:

JL I tried the only updating the boot sector using FreeDOS' SYS and got;
JL D:\Download\FreeDOSsys X: BOOTONLY
JL FreeDOS System Installer v2.9, Sep 24 2003
JL Processing boot sector...
JL Reading old bootsector from drive X:
JL Divide overflow
JL WinXP throws up an error message because I'm trying to directly access
JL hardware, but I'm allowed to ignore  proceed.

- v2.9 is outdated (old kernel).

- in SYS (also as in my BOOTFIX, which' IO based on code from SYS) is a bug
  (when calling INT 21/7305, CF is not set nor checked if after interrupt
  AX=7300, thus under NT/2k/XP processed wrong data), which doesn't allow to
  say about error reading (old) boot sector.

- you can't use SYS (and any other programs, which directly access disks)
  under NT/2k/XP.




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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi!

12--2004 20:02 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Lilly) wrote to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Arkady V.Belousov:

 This is FAT16, so FAT size here should be 190 sectors.
JL Hmmm, THAT particular disk should have been FAT32or I got confused.

 This disk (with such clusters count) can't be FAT32.

 Under which OS you run BOOTFIX?
JL WinXP Pro, and it's HD is NTFSfwiw.

 No, NT-family doesn't allows to directly access (read) disks and,
probably, there may be returned wrong data for BPB. So, to use any disk
accessing DOS programs, you should do this under DOS (or, W9x).




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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi!

13--2004 15:44 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Lilly) wrote to ark:

JL Attached is [misc.zip]
JL File notes from Jim Lilly;
JL RSLT_SR6 - ZIP100, FAT, BOOTFIX results

 Looks valid and workable.

JL RSLT_16  - ZIP100, FAT, BOOTFIX results

 Looks like there is problems: OS says that FAT starts from sector 1,
whereas boot record says that FAT starts from sector 8. This may cause data
corruption if you will write into this drive.

 Which OS you was use for tests? Which software you use to prepare
(format) these ZIP diskettes?

 Also, disk geometry in boot record differs from one, reported by OS.
This is, probably, not very important (in given case), but who knows. Also,
as sayed by volume label, first disk (which is consistent) is from SPINRITE
package (or formated by SPINRITE :).

JL RSLT_32  - ZIP100, FAT32, BOOTFIX results

 Completely incorrect results: boot records says, that this is FAT32,
whereas OS says, that this is FAT16. Any file write should be dangerous.

 Looks like this diskette was prepared by NT-family (XP?) - boot sector
mentions NTLDR.

JL Bootsect32.BMP - ZIP100, FAT32, on screen error message, COPYBS C:
JL bootsect

 Let me quote:

__O\_/_\_/O__
[...]
A:copybs C: btsec_16
A:copybs C: btsec_32
ERROR: Filesystem not found on disk
_
  O/~\ /~\O

Error message looks valid.

JL OddErrors.BMP - on screen goofy errors after I got (bootsect32.bmp)
JL error.

__O\_/_\_/O__
String #127
String #127
String #127

String #127
String #127
String #127

String #120
String #121
String #123
String #124

A:\dir /w /p |MORE
String #16

A:\C:

A:\dir /w /p
String #116
String #118
String #119
String #12

C:\
_
  O/~\ /~\O

If you test this under FreeDOS, you should report this to Steffen Kaiser,
author of command.com.

JL All tests done from bootup floppy disk, on ZIP100 seen as drive C:
JL Unable to get BOOTSECT (COPYBS) for ZIP100 as FAT32, see Bootsect.bmp.

 This is because file system here is incorrectly detected by OS.

JL PC system info;
JL Maxtor 80GB HDD on IDE3 (hpt370) NTFS, 3 partitions.
JL ZIP100 on IDE2 as slave (which is why the ZIP100 gets seen as C: in
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady,

http://makeashorterlink.com/?K379136B7

 Should I format my Jaz or Zip disk with FAT32? 
  
Answer 
Iomega® does not support nor recommend the use of FAT32 formatting 
with Zip® or Jaz® disks.
 
Warning: Data integrity maybe an issue using FAT32 formatting. Iomega 
recommends formatting Zip and Jaz disks with the IomegaWare™ software 
format option.

WinXP wrongly allows me to format a ZIP-100 disk as FAT32, which ends up 
NOT bootable. Iomega ONLY recommends FAT  NOT FAT32 for ZIP/JAZZ disks.

My conclusion then, is this;

1) MS's suggested minimum FAT32 partition size is 512MB
2) As a true HD, mathematically, 33MB is minimum for FAT32 partitions.
3) As a removable drive (ZIP/JAZZ) Iomega recommends ONLY FAT  NOT FAT
32for such disks.

Only issue I'd wonder about, is why does FreeDOS claims 
to have succeeded in formatting a ZIP 100 disk (formatted as FAT32) 
when in actual use such a disk fails to be bootable?

I'll test that some more, today if I get a chance.
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi!

14--2004 14:33 Arkady V.Belousov wrote to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

JL Attached is [misc.zip]
JL File notes from Jim Lilly;
JL RSLT_SR6 - ZIP100, FAT, BOOTFIX results

__O\_/_\_/O__
Checking drive C:
Reading default BPB...
[...]
Volume is a FAT16.
Reading boot sector...
  Bytes/sector  : 512
  Sectors/cluster   : 4
  FAT start, size   : 1, 192 * 2
  Root entries  : 512
  Total sectors : 0, 196576
  Hidden sectors: 32
  Sectors/track, heads  : 32, 64
  Drive, media ID, FS   :  80h, F8h, FAT16   
  Serial#, label: h, SPINRITE V6
Done.

Boot sector:
  EB 40 90 46 72 65 65 44-4F 53 20 00 02 04 01 00  [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
0010  02 00 02 00 00 F8 C0 00-20 00 40 00 20 00 00 00  .. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...
0020  E0 FF 02 00 80 00 29 00-00 00 00 53 50 49 4E 52  ...)SPINR
0030  49 54 45 20 56 36 46 41-54 31 36 20 20 20 00 00  ITE V6FAT16   ..
[...]
01F0  00 4B 45 52 4E 45 4C 20-20 53 59 53 00 00 55 AA  .KERNEL  SYS..U
_
  O/~\ /~\O

Default BPB is equal to boot record.

JL RSLT_16  - ZIP100, FAT, BOOTFIX results

__O\_/_\_/O__
Reading default BPB...
  Bytes/sector  : 512
  Sectors/cluster   : 4
 FAT start, size   : 1, 192 * 2
  Root entries  : 512
  Total sectors : 0, 196576
  Hidden sectors: 32
 Sectors/track, heads  : 32, 64
  Media ID  : F8h
Done.
Volume is a FAT16.
Reading boot sector...
  Bytes/sector  : 512
  Sectors/cluster   : 4
 FAT start, size   : 8, 192 * 2
  Root entries  : 512
  Total sectors : 0, 196576
  Hidden sectors: 32
 Sectors/track, heads  : 63, 255
  Drive, media ID, FS   :  80h, F8h, FAT16   
  Serial#, label: 335D1509h, NO NAME
Done.

Boot sector:
  EB 3C 90 4D 53 57 49 4E-34 2E 31 00 02 04 08 00  MSWIN4.1.
0010  02 00 02 00 00 F8 C0 00-3F 00 FF 00 20 00 00 00  ..?.. ...
0020  E0 FF 02 00 80 00 29 09-15 5D 33 4E 4F 20 4E 41  ...)..]3NO NA
0030  4D 45 20 20 20 20 46 41-54 31 36 20 20 20 33 C9  MEFAT16   3
[...]
01D0  20 6B 65 79 0D 0A 00 00-49 4F 20 20 20 20 20 20   keyIO
01E0  53 59 53 4D 53 44 4F 53-20 20 20 53 59 53 7F 01  SYSMSDOS   SYS.
01F0  00 41 BB 00 07 60 66 6A-00 E9 3B FF 00 00 55 AA  .A..`fj.;..U
_
  O/~\ /~\O

JL RSLT_32  - ZIP100, FAT32, BOOTFIX results

__O\_/_\_/O__
Reading default BPB...
  Bytes/sector  : 512
  Sectors/cluster   : 4
  FAT start, size   : 1, 192 * 2
  Root entries  : 512
  Total sectors : 0, 196576
  Hidden sectors: 32
  Sectors/track, heads  : 32, 64
  Media ID  : F8h
Done.
Volume is a FAT16.
Reading boot sector...
  Bytes/sector  : 512
  Sectors/cluster   : 2
  FAT start, size   : 36, 762 * 2
  Root cluster  : 2
  Total sectors : 0, 196576
  Hidden sectors: 32
  Sectors/track, heads  : 63, 255
  Version, mirror flags : h, 00h
  Info, backup sectors  : 1, 6
  Drive, media ID, FS   :  00h, F8h, FAT32   
  Serial#, label: C8EAFE6Ch, NO NAME
Done.
ERROR: boot record differs from defaults.

Boot sector:
  EB 58 90 4D 53 44 4F 53-35 2E 30 00 02 02 24 00  XMSDOS5.0...$.
0010  02 00 00 00 00 F8 00 00-3F 00 FF 00 20 00 00 00  ...?.. ...
0020  E0 FF 02 00 FA 02 00 00-00 00 00 00 02 00 00 00  .
0030  01 00 06 00 00 00 00 00-00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  
0040  00 00 29 6C FE EA C8 4E-4F 20 4E 41 4D 45 20 20  ..)lNO NAME
0050  20 20 46 41 54 33 32 20-20 20 33 C9 8E D1 BC F4FAT32   3
[...]
0170  4E 54 4C 44 52 20 20 20-20 20 20 00 00 00 00 00  NTLDR  .
0180  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00-00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  
0190  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00-00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  
01A0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00-00 00 00 00 0D 0A 52 65  ..Re
01B0  6D 6F 76 65 20 64 69 73-6B 73 20 6F 72 20 6F 74  move disks or ot
01C0  68 65 72 20 6D 65 64 69-61 2E FF 0D 0A 44 69 73  her media...Dis
01D0  6B 20 65 72 72 6F 72 FF-0D 0A 50 72 65 73 73 20  k error..Press
01E0  61 6E 79 20 6B 65 79 20-74 6F 20 72 65 73 74 61  any key to resta
01F0  72 74 0D 0A 00 00 00 00-00 AC CB D8 00 00 55 AA  rt.U
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady,

 Which OS you was use for tests?

FreeDOS

 Which software you use to prepare
 (format) these ZIP diskettes?

WinXP Pro initially, SpinRite for the one ZIP disk.

 Also, disk geometry in boot record differs from one, reported by OS.
 This is, probably, not very important (in given case), but who knows. Also,
 as sayed by volume label, first disk (which is consistent) is from SPINRITE
 package (or formated by SPINRITE :).

SpinRite uses FreeDOS.

 Completely incorrect results: boot records says, that this is FAT32,
 whereas OS says, that this is FAT16. Any file write should be dangerous.
 
  Looks like this diskette was prepared by NT-family (XP?) - boot sector
 mentions NTLDR.

Correct. WinXP Pro (incorrectly) allows me to set format of ZIP-100 disks to 
FAT32, which ends up non-bootable. SpinRite which uses FreeDOS incorrectly 
'claims' to have successfully formatted such FAT32 ZIP-100 disks.yet fail 
to boot. THAT is the focal point of troubles with FreeDOS I'm having. 
SpinRite uses FreeDOS for it's formatting functions. Under WinXP Pro, a ZIP-
100 (incorrectly) formatted as FAT32 is NOT getting correctly formatted. 
Shouldn't it (SR/FreeDOS) give an error message about incorrect file format/
bad bootsector? It does IF the ZIP-100 is formatted as NTFS.

 JL OddErrors.BMP - on screen goofy errors after I got (bootsect32.bmp)
 JL error.
 If you test this under FreeDOS, you should report this to Steffen Kaiser,
 author of command.com.

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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady,

 - v2.9 is outdated (old kernel).

Might be, but it's what's on.
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/beta
9rc4/fdbootcd.zip

Also note; THAT CD of FreeDOS did NOT 'see' anything but the CDROM  Floppy 
drivesno ZIP, no HD.

 - You can't use SYS (and any other programs, which directly access disks)
   under NT/2k/XP.

HDD's, true. But as I stated earlier, WinXP throws up an error message 
because I'm trying to directly access hardware, but I'm allowed to ignore  
proceed. Probably because that ZIP drive is recognized as a 'removable 
disk' and not a true HD.


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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 07:55:10 CST, Jim Lilly wrote:

[...] SpinRite which uses FreeDOS incorrectly
'claims' to have successfully formatted such FAT32 ZIP-100 disks.yet 
fail to boot. THAT is the focal point of troubles with FreeDOS I'm 
having.
SpinRite uses FreeDOS for it's formatting functions. Under WinXP Pro, a 
ZIP-100 (incorrectly) formatted as FAT32 is NOT getting correctly 
formatted.
Shouldn't it (SR/FreeDOS) give an error message about incorrect file 
format/
bad bootsector? It does IF the ZIP-100 is formatted as NTFS.
The SpinRate author Steve Gibson participates here, but the official 
FreeDOS formatting tool is FORMAT currently maintained by Eric Auer. Why 
don't you try to use FORMAT on your ZIP first?

By the way, doesn't IOMEGA recommend that only their tools be used for 
formatting ZIP disks?

Iomega recommends formatting Zip and Jaz disks with the IomegaWare 
software format option.
Perhaps ZIPs are somewhat non-standard and / or picky about the tools used 
to deal with them?

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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Luchezar,

 FreeDOS formatting tool is FORMAT currently maintained by Eric Auer. Why 
 don't you try to use FORMAT on your ZIP first?

I would if I could, but FreeDOS doesn't 'see' the ZIP drive, it only sees A: 
 the CDROM. Therefore FreeDOS won't allow me to do anything to my ZIP drive.

 By the way, doesn't IOMEGA recommend that only their tools be used for 
 formatting ZIP disks?

Correct, which I only found out about this morning.

 Perhaps ZIPs are somewhat non-standard and / or picky about the tools used 
 to deal with them?

Perhaps you missed this;

http://makeashorterlink.com/?K379136B7

 Should I format my Jaz or Zip disk with FAT32? 
  
Answer 
Iomega® does not support nor recommend the use of 
FAT32 formatting with Zip® or Jaz® disks.
 
Warning: Data integrity maybe an issue using FAT32 
formatting. Iomega recommends formatting Zip and Jaz disks with the 
IomegaWare™ software format option.
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 08:32:47 CST, Jim Lilly wrote:

FreeDOS formatting tool is FORMAT currently maintained by Eric Auer. 
Why don't you try to use FORMAT on your ZIP first?
I would if I could, but FreeDOS doesn't 'see' the ZIP drive, it only 
sees A:  the CDROM. Therefore FreeDOS won't allow me to do anything to 
my ZIP drive.
FreeDOS has no built-in ZIP support. Don't IOMEGA offer a DOS driver for 
their ZIP drives? Have you tried such a driver in MS-DOS or FreeDOS?

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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Luchezar,

 Have you tried such a driver in MS-DOS or FreeDOS?

I'll setup a DOS bootdisk as such. 

How is such done with a FreeDOS boot floppy?
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 10:15:30 CST, Jim Lilly wrote:

Luchezar,
No need to send me a carbon copy, I'm subscribed here.

Have you tried such a driver in MS-DOS or FreeDOS?
I'll setup a DOS bootdisk as such.
How is such done with a FreeDOS boot floppy?
ODIN is already bootable (see FreeDOS site for its URL)
You need to make a CONFIG.SYS (device=iomega_driver_name)
If this turns into an user issue, ask FreeDOS-user list.
(Do you mean that IOMEGA still really support DOS??? ;-)
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi!

14--2004 07:55 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Lilly) wrote to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Arkady V.Belousov:

 Not needed to CC for me, I subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Which OS you was use for tests?
JL FreeDOS

 Probably, bug in FreeDOS kernel. I think, Bart may/should clarify this,
may this is expected behavior.

 Completely incorrect results: boot records says, that this is FAT32,
 whereas OS says, that this is FAT16. Any file write should be dangerous.
  Looks like this diskette was prepared by NT-family (XP?) - boot sector
 mentions NTLDR.
JL Correct. WinXP Pro (incorrectly) allows me to set format of ZIP-100 disks to
JL FAT32,

 I don't sure that this is incorrect - URL, which gives Luchezar,
doesn't says why FAT32 volumes _must_ be 128 Mb, there is only
recomendation. Moreover, if MS-FORMAT allows to format 100 Mb as FAT32 (and
XP works with it flawlessly?), then this should be accepted by us also.

JL which ends up non-bootable.

 Do you mean, that

- XP formats to FAT16 and makes bootable: diskette boots
- XP formats to FAT32 and makes bootable: diskette bot boots

?

JL SpinRite which uses FreeDOS incorrectly 'claims' to have successfully
JL formatted such FAT32 ZIP-100 disks.yet fail to boot.

 This is question for Steve, author of SpinRite.

JL THAT is the focal point of troubles with FreeDOS I'm having.
JL SpinRite uses FreeDOS for it's formatting functions.

 No, DOS doesn't used for formatting functions, DOS is only host OS
(for program) and it may present file system information for application.

JL Under WinXP Pro, a ZIP-100 (incorrectly) formatted as FAT32 is NOT getting
JL correctly formatted. Shouldn't it (SR/FreeDOS) give an error message about
JL incorrect file format/bad bootsector?

 I think, it should use FAT32 as FAT32.

 If you test this under FreeDOS, you should report this to Steffen Kaiser,
 author of command.com.
JL What's his e-mail address?

1. He subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2. He subscribed here.
3. You may/should (also) use bugzilla to report error.

 I think, beforehand you should find ways how to reproduce the problem.
Also, don't forget to download latest kernel and shell from freedos.sf.net.




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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi!

14--2004 20:47 Arkady V.Belousov wrote to
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AVB  Probably, bug in FreeDOS kernel. I think, Bart may/should clarify
AVB this, may this is expected behavior.
---^^^ may be

AVB  Do you mean, that
AVB - XP formats to FAT16 and makes bootable: diskette boots
AVB - XP formats to FAT32 and makes bootable: diskette bot boots
^^^ not




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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:47:44 +0300 (MSK), Arkady V.Belousov wrote:

Which OS you was use for tests?
FreeDOS
Probably, bug in FreeDOS kernel. I think, Bart may/should clarify this, 
maybe this is expected behavior.
What we're talking about here? Does the bootstrap from FreeDOS fail? If 
so, it's because of the bad boot sector. Does FORMAT under FreeDOS fail? 
No! Not only isn't FORMAT tested there yet, but he even has no driver for 
the ZIP drive installed (if any) yet! If so, how does SpinRite recognise 
the ZIP drive? Does it have its own driver for ZIP drives? I don't think 
so! Then?!

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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi!

14--2004 20:47 Arkady V.Belousov wrote to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

AVB  Probably, bug in FreeDOS kernel.

 Ops, sorry, too husty conlusion: BOOTFIX analyzes _default_ BPB, which
is _suggestion_ by OS for given media. Boot record should be compared with
current BPB, which is used by OS for control of media.

 Sorry for misleading you, late I prepare version, which will analyze
current BPB (and compare it with boot record).

 About making FAT32 Zip diskette bootable:

1. get latest SYS version (comes with kernel, available at freedos.sf.net).
2. apply SYS to diskette (under latest kernel).
3. try to boot.

 Also, there are more issue:

__O\_/_\_/O__
Reading default BPB...
  Hidden sectors: 32
  Sectors/track, heads  : 32, 64
Reading boot sector...
  Hidden sectors: 32
  Sectors/track, heads  : 63, 255
_
  O/~\ /~\O

There may be some issues with Hidden sectors field, which used by boot
sector (installed by SYS) to find start of partition. Because Zip drive
mapped as hard disk, then Zip diskettes should be partitioned. Run FreeFDISK
and inform us about partition properties (address of start).

 Also, to format diskette, try to use FORMAT from Eric Auer. Eric, how
to force FAT32 formatting in your FORMAT?




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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Luchezar,

 You need to make a CONFIG.SYS (device=iomega_driver_name)

Will do.

 (Do you mean that IOMEGA still really support DOS??? ;-)

Nothing NEW, but older DOS/Win 3.1 drivers for 'guest' are available in 
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Luchezar,

 Does the bootstrap from FreeDOS fail? If 
 so, it's because of the bad boot sector.

Exactly!

 If 
 so, it's because of the bad boot sector. Does FORMAT under FreeDOS fail? 
 No!

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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady,

 Moreover, if MS-FORMAT allows to format 100 Mb as FAT32 (and
 XP works with it flawlessly?), then this should be accepted by us also.

But it doesn't work 'flawlessly'. I can read/write/copy/move/delete to -
from a ZIP-100 FAT32 disk, but it is NOT bootable.

 Do you mean, that
 
 - XP formats to FAT16 and makes bootable: diskette boots
 - XP formats to FAT32 and makes bootable: diskette bot boots
 
 ?

No.
 - XP formats to FAT16 and can be made bootable: diskette boots
 - XP formats to FAT32: diskette is NOT bootable
 
 I'm using SR to transfer the FreeDOS boot info to the ZIP disks.
 
 No, DOS doesn't used for formatting functions, DOS is only host OS
 (for program) and it may present file system information for application.

I* should correct that.

In using SR to prep a ZIP-100 disk, it states;

Retrieve previous boot sector from media
Install FreeDOS boot sector onto media

 -then-
 
A SpinRite bootable operating system has been 
successfully installed on drive X:

It's not a FreeDOS formatting issue, but a FreeDOS boot-sector issue 
apparently. 

Like I said from the start, I'm NOT a programmer. Just a user  am going to 
be busy this week with real life  not have much more time to tinker with 
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi!

14--2004 08:32 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Lilly) wrote to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Luchezar Georgiev:

 FreeDOS formatting tool is FORMAT currently maintained by Eric Auer. Why
 don't you try to use FORMAT on your ZIP first?
JL I would if I could, but FreeDOS doesn't 'see' the ZIP drive, it only sees A:

 But earlier you say, that you test BOOTFIX under FreeDOS and access Zip
as C:?

 Also, note: diskettes and hard disks are handled differently - hard
disk should be partitioned by FDISK(-like) program (and should contain MBR
with partition table), diskettes always contain only one volume. So, if your
Zip drive is mapped itself as hard disk, then Zip diskettes should be
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady,

 1. get latest SYS version (comes with kernel, available at freedos.sf.net)

Hmm, when I go to http://freedos.sourceforge.net/  I'm presented with a 
bunch of choices. Do you mean for me to get;

kernel 2032?
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=312180

kernel 2033?
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/freedos/ke2033_32.zip?download
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady,

 But earlier you say, that you test BOOTFIX under FreeDOS and access Zip
 as C:?

Probably when I'd used SR, booted off it, then switched diskettes.

I'm beginning to get a bit overwhelmed with all of this. Maybe I'll 
tinker around some more tonight, before giving up.
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread James Stockton
I'm trying out the nightly kernel, not sure if thats what they mean. But its
worth a look i think.



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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread MV
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:42:13 -, James Stockton wrote:
I'm trying out the nightly kernel, not sure if thats what they
mean.
But its worth a look i think.

As soon as I can get to it, will be using
 2.0.33
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/freedos/ke2033_32.zip?download

Trying to get the Net-bootable diskette image working at the
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi!

14--2004 13:32 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Lilly) wrote to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 1. get latest SYS version (comes with kernel, available at freedos.sf.net)
JL kernel 2033?

 Yes. Also, there was some changes in kernel. AFAIK, Luchezar presents
precompiled kernels with all up to date patches (after latest official
release) - look at his page.




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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread James Stockton
Tested fat32 booting on me hard drive works fine.



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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
All,

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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-13 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:24:58 CST, Jim Lilly wrote:

I've found FreeDOS hangs in booting off a ZIP 100 IDE disk formatted
FAT32, but boots fine off another ZIP disk formatted as FAT.
If I remember correctly, FAT32 volumes must be at least 128 MB in size.

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[Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-12 Thread Jim Lilly
All,

What needs to be tested in the areas of FAT32 SYS booting code?

I've found FreeDOS hangs in booting off a ZIP 100 IDE disk formatted 
FAT32, but boots fine off another ZIP disk formatted as FAT.

I'm NOT a programmer, but am looking to help in testing.
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-12 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi!

12--2004 15:24 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Lilly) wrote to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

JL What needs to be tested in the areas of FAT32 SYS booting code?
JL I've found FreeDOS hangs in booting off a ZIP 100 IDE disk formatted
JL FAT32, but boots fine off another ZIP disk formatted as FAT.

 Get ftp://ftp.devoresoftware.com/downloads/bootfix1.zip and run for A:
(you ZIP disk mapped as A:?) with option /d: BOOTFIX /d a:result. Then
send result for me for analyzing.

PS: BOOTFIX 1.0 wrongly says that FAT size for FAT32 is incorrect, but this
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-12 Thread Jim Lilly
Eric,

 inline for easier discussion

Also, per your request I try copybs;

 could you try with COPYBS from the SYSLINUX package?

Whether the ZIP disk is FAT -or- FAT32 formatted, I get;

D:\Downloadcopybs X: logfile.txt
ERROR: Boot sector read failed

I tried two different ZIP 100 disks, one does bootup (FAT) the other (
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-12 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady,

 This is FAT16, so FAT size here should
 be 190 sectors.

Hmmm, THAT particular disk should have been FAT32or I got confused.

 Under which OS you run BOOTFIX?

WinXP Pro, and it's HD is NTFSfwiw.
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-12 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady,

 Yes, something is wrong.

I tried the only updating the boot sector using FreeDOS' SYS and got;

D:\Download\FreeDOSsys X: BOOTONLY
FreeDOS System Installer v2.9, Sep 24 2003

Processing boot sector...
Reading old bootsector from drive X:

Divide overflow

WinXP throws up an error message because I'm trying to directly access 
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-12 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady,

In prior message, ZIP disk was formatted FAT. Tried again with one as 
FAT32  get same message.

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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-12 Thread Steve Gibson
Hi Jim,

 Yes, something is wrong.

I tried the only updating the boot sector using FreeDOS' SYS and got;

D:\Download\FreeDOSsys X: BOOTONLY
FreeDOS System Installer v2.9, Sep 24 2003
Processing boot sector...
Reading old bootsector from drive X:
Divide overflow

WinXP throws up an error message because I'm trying to directly
access hardware, but I'm allowed to ignore  proceed.
Yikes.

You really should be doing all of this stuff from a successful boot of some 
stable DOS system ... and definitely outside of Windows XP.  Unfortunately, 
test performed from within XP won't have a clear meaning since Windows 
could be doing anything.

If you can burn a CD-R, grab a FreeDOS ISO and burn it then boot it ... or 
if not, but you have a diskette drive, grab the diskette .IMG file and 
write it to a floppy ...

http://www.freedos.org/freedos/files/

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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-12 Thread Jim Lilly
Steve,

 You really should be doing all of this stuff from a successful boot of some 
 stable DOS system ... and definitely outside of Windows XP.

That's for tomorrow morning, I'm getting ready to hit the sack. But I did want 
to try several approaches from within WinXP first, as your new tool would be 
doing eventually.

 If you can burn a CD-R, grab a FreeDOS ISO and burn it then boot it ... or 
 if not, but you have a diskette drive, grab the diskette .IMG file and 
 write it to a floppy ...

I grabbed both.
Will hammer on it again tomorrow.
 -- 

 Jim Lilly - Team Z
 http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp
 Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5,  WinXP Pro w/SP1
 http://www.virtual-access.org




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