Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Hi there I'm sorry, but I am not sure what fix you are referring to? Was this related with the size of the png's? (iirc the gain of size was mostly due to dropping the background, which was then not useable in the game?) dos386 dos...@gmail.com wrote: Hi on your page there is still only 1.02 from 2013-May-12 ... are you going to update it with the fix ? Mateusz -- Sent from mobile mail. -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Hi the biggest problem was the keyboard that you could mostly fix ;-) Other smaller problems were the PNG's and TFM (mention DOS support using HX). BTW, I tried to play it on my COOL Pentium1 200 MHz PC too. Result: illegal instruction (CMOVNTQ) in SDL.DLL, and older SDL.DLL doesn't work. -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Ahh yes the laggy keyboard problem on slow machines, i remember now. I even think i fixed it somehow, but probably forgot to release it properly. I will try to look into this later this evening :) dos386 dos...@gmail.com wrote: Hi the biggest problem was the keyboard that you could mostly fix ;-) Other smaller problems were the PNG's and TFM (mention DOS support using HX). BTW, I tried to play it on my COOL Pentium1 200 MHz PC too. Result: illegal instruction (CMOVNTQ) in SDL.DLL, and older SDL.DLL doesn't work. Mateusz -- Sent from mobile mail. -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Done - v1.03 released. http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/software/atomiks/ Thanks for the reminder! cheers Mateusz On 08/11/2013 03:22 PM, dos386 wrote: Hi the biggest problem was the keyboard that you could mostly fix ;-) Other smaller problems were the PNG's and TFM (mention DOS support using HX). BTW, I tried to play it on my COOL Pentium1 200 MHz PC too. Result: illegal instruction (CMOVNTQ) in SDL.DLL, and older SDL.DLL doesn't work. -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Yes, will do. In fact all png are already optimized via optipng -o7, but I understand that the 'pngzopfli' must be another optimizer (with better compression, I guess) dos386 dos...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, I'll test (can you run all your Atomar PNG's through PNGOUT or OPTIPNG+PNGZOPFLI in the meantime?). -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Mateusz -- Sent from mobile mail. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Could you please try this version and tell me if it feels ok now on your PC? YES it's indeed better :-) understand that the 'pngzopfli' must be another optimizer (with better compression, I guess) Indeed. I took the 6 biggest PNG's and reduced them from 101 KiB to 69 KiB : http://users.freebasic-portal.de/dos386/optimized.zip (I hope I didn't cancel any transparency, 2 of them could be optimized even more but I couldn't do it due to strange transparency design ...) For next version there are at least 3 issues: - Keyboard - PNG's - Docs about OS support: My version of Atomix can't be easily compiled to a native DOS binary, but you can use the Win32 binary in DOS with HX DOS Extender http://s8.postimg.org/8oq1qirb9/ATOMSHDS.png -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Hi, On 06/02/2013 04:40 PM, dos386 wrote: BUG's / suggestions: * keyboard is buggy ... it buffers too much and the red square notoriously runs beyond target position ... disable buffering or eat away and discard keypresses until buffer is empty before waiting for a new keypress I don't have this problem... Neither on the linux build, nor on the windows build (tested right now via virtualbox). Keypresses are queued indeed, and I purposely don't 'eat them away' because it allows to play in advance (esp. useful when moving an atom around, so I can press all directions, and wait until the atom reaches its destination). My theory is that on your system, it takes more time to draw the moving-box animation than it takes SDL to repeat the keypress.. the only reason I can see why this would happen is because of lack of performance.. what kind of PC have you experienced this on? Have you noticed any CPU usage spike when playing? * it's bloated (100 x more than the original ?) ... some ideas to reduce bloat: * * optimize the PNG's (brewn with M$-PAINT???) by factor 2 lossless or even more (reduce black text on white screen from 8bpp to 4 bpp, loss will be invisible) using PNGOUT or ZOPFLI-OPTI-PNG (gives 70 KiB) * * drop the PNG's in favor of raw compressed pixel arrays on a common palette and drop LIBPNG then * * reduce the WAV's from 44.1 KHz and 16 bit to 22.05 KHz and 8 bit (loss will be inaudible) * * use a smaller MOD library * * include some simple Deflate decompress code and drop ZLIB Yes, it's bigger than the original. Saving bytes was clearly not my top priority when I was coding it. The windows binary is 500K big, but the real bloat comes from libraries that I supply along with the win32 version (~1M). Of course you can remove them, if you already have all the *.DLLs somewhere in your system. Or use the Linux version (0.3M, no supplied libraries). I do not wish to work toward making atomiks smaller, mostly because I believe that 'normal' people ;) don't care. the windows version with all the supplied libs is 1.5M big, which is approx. the average size of a single jpg photo done with my phone. :D But of course I'll happily accept any patches, should anyone get the motivation to make the game noticeably smaller. cheers, Mateusz -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Hi I don't have this problem... Neither on the linux build, nor on the windows build (tested right now via virtualbox) probably you have 3 GHz CPU Keypresses are queued indeed, and I purposely don't 'eat them away' because it allows to play in advance (esp. useful when moving an atom around, so I can press all directions, and wait until the atom reaches its destination). I don't understand ... but could you eat away all but 2 or all but 1 very last keypress to keep it useful for you and fix the BUG on slow CPU ? My theory is that on your system, it takes more time to draw the moving-box animation than it takes SDL to repeat the keypress.. the only reason I can see why this would happen is because of lack of performance That's what I suspected too noticed any CPU usage spike when playing? I have a constant power CPU fan, impossible to detect CPU usage spike :-( But of course I'll happily accept any patches, should anyone get the motivation to make the game noticeably smaller. Optimizing the PNG's would be pretty trivial (and fast on your CPU) ;-) -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Hi! On 06/24/2013 02:48 PM, dos386 wrote: probably you have 3 GHz CPU Nope, I have only a poor (and SLOW!) Intel Core i5 @ 2.50GHz :) I had an Atom desktop once (D525 IIRC), but I converted it to a media center, since I use my work laptop for everything anyway. Keypresses are queued indeed, and I purposely don't 'eat them away' because it allows to play in advance (esp. useful when moving an atom around, so I can press all directions, and wait until the atom reaches its destination). I don't understand ... but could you eat away all but 2 or all but 1 very last keypress to keep it useful for you and fix the BUG on slow CPU ? I wasn't really clear about the 'queing keypresses in advance' - it's simply to have a possible gameplay like in pac man (at least I used to play pacman this way) - the little pac man is somewhere on the screen, and I want to move it to another point, but I decide about the route much faster than the little guy actually travels, so I type all the keypresses I need and then wait until pacman finish his journey to the point I wanted him to be. The same principle applies to moving atoms in Atomiks. Anyway, I think I got something. Read on. My theory is that on your system, it takes more time to draw the moving-box animation than it takes SDL to repeat the keypress.. the only reason I can see why this would happen is because of lack of performance That's what I suspected too I've set up my CPU to 800MHz using cpufreq-tools, and I did notice some unpleasant behavior similar to what you described. Atomiks was redrawing the whole screen at every keypress, and when there is plenty of keypresses, this can slow down the animations on slower CPUs. I fixed this, so the 'full refresh' happens at a fixed rate, and only small parts of the screen are redrawn when moving. This makes the box-moving animation go fast even on slow systems, thus shouldn't lead anymore to filling the keyboard buffer too much. Could you please try this version and tell me if it feels ok now on your PC? http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/temp/atomiks-rc/ cheers, Mateusz -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Thanks, I'll test (can you run all your Atomar PNG's through PNGOUT or OPTIPNG+PNGZOPFLI in the meantime?). -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
tinf is a small library implementing the decompression algorithm for the deflate compressed data format (called 'inflate'). Deflate compression is used in e.g. zlib, gzip, zip and png. Source included Kick ZLIB and LIBPNG and use this one ;-) BTW, not sure if you knew, but the original 1.0 release of his port didn't have any sound support. This is a new addition (1.02) I did know ... but aren't there BUG-fixes in 1.02 too ? -- How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: 1. A cloud service to automate IT design, transition and operations 2. Dashboards that offer high-level views of enterprise services 3. A single system of record for all IT processes http://p.sf.net/sfu/servicenow-d2d-j ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Thanx Mateusz. :) I didn't play the original, but I remember playing DOS version/clone in the nineties. Ah, nostalgia... :) I already tested. It already works there but needs MSVCRT (e.g. from ReactOS 0.3.14; not newer 0.3.15, that won't work). You can avoid that by building with OpenWatcom (untested but used to work, supposedly): http://www.libsdl.org/release/SDL-1.2.15/README.Watcom Though I have no idea if the other .DLLs need to be rebuilt also (libpng, zlib), but probably yes. Also, no idea if Atomiks is using any features that OpenWatcom doesn't support (i.e. GNU extensions or certain parts of C99, which aren't working even with -za99). I should really try rebuilding it myself, but right now I'm a bit tired. :-/ Yes, OpenWatcom probably doesn't use Microsoft VC runtime library. Same as MinGW in recent years. There are also other crt implementations that might be used in VC. For example mini-crt: http://www.benshoof.org/blog/minicrt/ Bojan. -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
OpenWatcom probably doesn't use Microsoft VC runtime library well known fact Same as MinGW in recent years evidence please ;-) It does not run on DOS WRONG. It DOES run. See shot: http://s8.postimg.org/8oq1qirb9/ATOMSHDS.png only Linux Windows (and should build on any modern platform where SDL is I deprecate modern platforms :-( This doesn't have much in common with FreeDOS more than you think ? ;-) Today I published Thanks :-) a remake of the old 1990 Atomix game for DOS (that's one of the games I spent entire nights on in my youth Do you have the original? How bloated is it? I used all graphics from the original (with the specific authorization of Atomix copyright holders for usage in my project Interesting ... I'm sorry if you feel this is spamming. It is not (thanks to HX ...) :shock: BUG's / suggestions: * keyboard is buggy ... it buffers too much and the red square notoriously runs beyond target position ... disable buffering or eat away and discard keypresses until buffer is empty before waiting for a new keypress * it's bloated (100 x more than the original ?) ... some ideas to reduce bloat: * * optimize the PNG's (brewn with M$-PAINT???) by factor 2 lossless or even more (reduce black text on white screen from 8bpp to 4 bpp, loss will be invisible) using PNGOUT or ZOPFLI-OPTI-PNG (gives 70 KiB) * * drop the PNG's in favor of raw compressed pixel arrays on a common palette and drop LIBPNG then * * reduce the WAV's from 44.1 KHz and 16 bit to 22.05 KHz and 8 bit (loss will be inaudible) * * use a smaller MOD library * * include some simple Deflate decompress code and drop ZLIB The good news is that it's open source (is the original from 1990 also open source???), the bad news that it's bloated (but that's fixable ... theoretically ... how bloated is the original???). Maybe I'll port it to my OS one day :-) There are reasons why I deprecate modern platforms. -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Hi, so Atomiks runs in DOS with HX? * keyboard is buggy ... it buffers too much and the red square notoriously runs beyond target position ... disable buffering or eat away and discard keypresses until buffer is empty before waiting for a new keypress Does it work better with Atomiks in other OS? PNG is supposed to compress things already, a smaller palette should not make a big difference. Try GIF? WAV sound better at 44 kHz 16 bit than at 22 kHz 8 bit, but when used in MOD, other quality loss might mask it. You could use OGG and decompress to RAM... (evil grin) * * include some simple Deflate decompress code and drop ZLIB How big is zlib? How about tunz? Eric -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Atomiks runs in DOS with HX? YES ... why don't you test? Got no DOS (evil grin) ? * keyboard is buggy ... it buffers too much Does it work better with Atomiks in other OS? NO. Same BUG with XP and HX ... NOT a HX BUG :-) (HX bugs are bunched elsewhere: bttr-software.de/forum/board_entry.php?id=7492) PNG is supposed to compress things already but the existing PNG's inside ATOM are poorly compressed and have junk CHUNK's (even PHYS !!!) a smaller palette should not make a big difference It does. And you could have 1 palette for the complete app, rather than a separate (same or de-facto same) palette in every PNG file. Try GIF? No: I DEPRECATE GIF ;-) WAV sound better at 44 kHz 16 bit than at 22 kHz 8 bit The WAV's are 400 ms ... not hours of HiFi music ... you won't hear the difference (we badly need a double-blind test ...) You could use OGG and decompress to RAM... (evil Not worth for that little amount of sound (you might Deflate them ... if it helps ... or DELTA-filter before Deflate) * * include some simple Deflate decompress code and drop ZLIB How big is zlib? 100 KiB (RTFB) How about tunz? 2.5 KiB but 8086 ASM, not C ;-) I already tested. It already works there but needs MSVCRT (e.g. from ReactOS 0.3.14; not newer 0.3.15, that won't work) In what function does it crash? Does it crash with every executable? -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Hi, On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:08 AM, dos386 dos...@gmail.com wrote: * * include some simple Deflate decompress code and drop ZLIB How big is zlib? 100 KiB (RTFB) I have several zlib .DLLs on my system. Largest is here, 100 kb, while smallest is 55 kb. So it varies. Though, quite honestly, if all the graphics and sound data is inside the .EXE anyways, it doesn't make (much) sense to compress it with Deflate. You can use UPX (which can have some small drawbacks under Windows, but that shouldn't matter for a game that is only running once). How about tunz? 2.5 KiB but 8086 ASM, not C ;-) I assume here that he actually meant something like tinf: tinf is a small library implementing the decompression algorithm for the deflate compressed data format (called 'inflate'). Deflate compression is used in e.g. zlib, gzip, zip and png. Source included. http://ibsensoftware.com/download.html I already tested. It already works there but needs MSVCRT (e.g. from ReactOS 0.3.14; not newer 0.3.15, that won't work) In what function does it crash? Does it crash with every executable? I think just overall it crashes, not inside any function. (And yes, all the .EXEs I tried crashed, sadly.) If you want, I'll post a text capture over on BTTR, but I don't think Japheth is interested in fixing it, so it's not worth worrying about, IMHO. -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Hi again, On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:40 AM, dos386 dos...@gmail.com wrote: * * reduce the WAV's from 44.1 KHz and 16 bit to 22.05 KHz and 8 bit (loss will be inaudible) * * use a smaller MOD library BTW, not sure if you knew, but the original 1.0 release of his port didn't have any sound support. This is a new addition (1.02). There are reasons why I deprecate modern platforms. Yes, modern is annoyingly overused. If they didn't throw out even their own stuff from 3-5 years ago, they might have more credibility. (Also they break more than they improve.) -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 14:40:43 + dos386 dos...@gmail.com wrote: Same as MinGW in recent years evidence please ;-) But I might not be completely wrong. It seems they ship two crts: http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~main/cs1300/doc/mingwfaq.html#runtimelibraries Bojan. -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 14:40:43 + dos386 dos...@gmail.com wrote: Same as MinGW in recent years evidence please ;-) Errr... You are right. My bad. I tought they use their own runtime for last year or two, but: It does depend on a number of DLLs provided by Microsoft themselves, as components of the operating system; most notable among these is MSVCRT.DLL, the Microsoft C runtime library. http://www.mingw.org/ (dated: 2012/05/25). Sorry for disinfo. :) Bojan. -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
It does not run on DOS only Linux Windows (and should build on any modern platform where SDL is available Can''t you make it HX compatible ? I'll test ... -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Hi, On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 9:04 PM, dos386 dos...@gmail.com wrote: It does not run on DOS only Linux Windows (and should build on any modern platform where SDL is available Can''t you make it HX compatible ? I'll test ... I already tested. It already works there but needs MSVCRT (e.g. from ReactOS 0.3.14; not newer 0.3.15, that won't work). You can avoid that by building with OpenWatcom (untested but used to work, supposedly): http://www.libsdl.org/release/SDL-1.2.15/README.Watcom Though I have no idea if the other .DLLs need to be rebuilt also (libpng, zlib), but probably yes. Also, no idea if Atomiks is using any features that OpenWatcom doesn't support (i.e. GNU extensions or certain parts of C99, which aren't working even with -za99). I should really try rebuilding it myself, but right now I'm a bit tired. :-/ -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix (Win32 versions works under DOS w/ HXRT + HXGUI)
-Original Message- From: Rugxulo [mailto:rugx...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 3:14 PM To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix (Win32 versions works under DOS w/ HXRT + HXGUI) ... A quick search shows that MinGW-64 has builds of SDL also. While I (begrudgingly) have Win64 and MinGW-64, I've not done any Windows-specific programming. So I could (in theory) try building it for you one of these days, if deathly desired, but I don't see how useful it would be (for an app not needing 64-bit advantages). Who knows, maybe you just want to see how uber portable it is or deploy to certain machines (servers?) lacking the 32-bit WoW layer. Even the latest Windows server 2008 R2 runs 32-bit software with no issues. If it will run on Win7, it will run on Server 2008. ... D -- Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book Graph Databases is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their applications. This 200-page book is written by three acclaimed leaders in the field. The early access version is available now. Download your free book today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/neotech_d2d_may ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix (Win32 versions works under DOS w/ HXRT + HXGUI)
Hi, Minor ranting ahead, caveat lector! :-) On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste-family.net wrote: This doesn't have much in common with FreeDOS, however, I know there is plenty of retro-passionate people around, so this might be interesting to some. In fairness, just by sticking around long enough, anything can be retro. (And yes, even fairly young pups can be retro-enthused, too. Despite what some say, good is still good, even years later.) Today I published a remake of the old 1990 Atomix game for DOS (that's one of the games I spent entire nights on in my youth). It does not run on DOS - only Linux Windows (and should build on any modern platform where SDL is available). Yes, apparently you use SDL (1.2, I presume?) for modern platforms, so DOS is out. Though I halfway (naively) wonder why you didn't instead use Allegro 4.x or something that does work natively on DOS (and others). (BTW, just vaguely curious, why Linux IA-32 and x64 but only Win32 and no Win64? LLP64 incompatibility bite you? So much for portability!) Honestly, I really wish there was SDL for DOS. They brag about so many supported OSes on their official site but have never had a DOS port at all. Well, it seems to suffer from the same as everyone else, basically portable as long as you're *nix [preferably Linux] or Windows with third party ports on the side by accident. (SDL 2.0 will be even less portable than now, but adds a lot of stuff for more modern platforms.) I tried to recreate as closely as possible the 'look and feel' of the original. I used all graphics from the original (with the specific authorization of Atomix copyright holders for usage in my project). The source code of Atomiks is GPL. Graphics and design are not, obviously. Yes, I've noticed you're in love with GPLv3 (such a long text!) and are very prolific these days. Always impressive stuff. Though my perception of you, for whatever reason, was always of BASIC and Pascal, not C. I'm not sure why you prefer C these days, there are apparently SDL bindings to other languages. You're not wrong to use it, but I just find it oddly arbitrary how most people choose their programming languages / dialects. I'm sorry if you feel this is spamming. http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/software/atomiks/ Hardly spamming, though I guess since it doesn't run atop DOS ... or does it?? Actually, I was running (for laughs) Wolf4SDL under HX (HXRT + HXGUI) years ago with MSVCRT.DLL, so I figured there was a chance this might work under DOS as well. (And here I'm using ReactOS's MSVCRT.DLL clone, which is at least free/libre.) Yes, maybe I should've mentioned this before all my other ranting, but it does work! (at least through level one)! (I just blindly did set HDPMI=32 and set DPMILDR=136 before dpmild32 -g atomiks.exe with DOSLFN loaded, IIRC.) No sound, of course, but even trying on Win64, it seems oddly silent. (Not that I mind, honestly.) P.S. I've never played this game before. Only briefly seen bits about it. Yeah, there was that third-party version for Jaguar. I remember downloading it (but never playing) years ago, but my capacity for keeping involved in Jag stuff faded several years ago (circa 2005) for unknown reasons (increasing obsession with PC, I suppose). In fact, the only game I ever (yes, legally) downloaded (and burned to CD, now that the Jag's encryption has been publicized) for that and actually played (once or twice) was the long-lost-but-found demo of Black Ice: White Noise. Perhaps this game was too obscure / confusing for me (probably). Maybe I should plug ye olde Jag in again, it's still sitting in the corner gathering dust. (Actually, new modern bullcrap tv is annoying, so that may prove frustrating to a hardware noob like me. Ugh.) Either way, this PC port seems like a nice alternative. Kudos! -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix (Win32 versions works under DOS w/ HXRT + HXGUI)
Hi! On 05/05/2013 08:16 AM, Rugxulo wrote: Yes, apparently you use SDL (1.2, I presume?) for modern platforms, so DOS is out. Though I halfway (naively) wonder why you didn't instead use Allegro 4.x or something that does work natively on DOS (and others). You're right - I use SDL 1.2, and that's indeed the only reason why Atomiks won't compile on DJGPP. Why SDL? Dunno... It was probably the first one I tried, and noticed that cool kids in town are using it, so I though 'why not me'. Then, years passing made it difficult (due to laziness) to switch to something else. (BTW, just vaguely curious, why Linux IA-32 and x64 but only Win32 and no Win64? LLP64 incompatibility bite you? So much for portability!) Here as well the reason is much more trivial than what you'd imagine :) I don't have any Windows PC, only an old virtual machine with Windows XP that I used for presentation needs in one of my past jobs. Now I use this virtual machine only 2 or 3 times a year, to compile stuff with mingw. This VM being 32 bit, I simply don't have the possibility to compile 64 bit code on it. I guess Atomiks should compile just fine on a 64bit Windows, using the mingw64 suite.. but I've never had the occasion to try it, so I can't tell for sure (I don't see however why it would be subject to llp64 problems). Honestly, I really wish there was SDL for DOS. They brag about so many supported OSes on their official site but have never had a DOS port at all. I can't agree more. A DOS version of SDL would be amazing indeed. It would open a wide gate to porting so much software! But doing a DOS version of SDL is a tremendous amount of work, so I don't really expect it to happen. On the other hand, a library that simulates SDL in its most basic functions (video init, drawing pixels on a mapped memory area, blitting sprites...) might be sufficient to port most SDL-based software. Yes, I've noticed you're in love with GPLv3 (such a long text!) Love is maybe a big word for this :) It's a bit like for SDL.. I read the text of the GNU GPL v2 many years ago, and it sounded fair enough, so I used it since then in all my opensource projects without looking back. I honestly never read v3, just assumed (naively maybe) it's a 'step up' of the v2. Though my perception of you, for whatever reason, was always of BASIC and Pascal, not C. I'm not sure why you prefer C these days, there are apparently SDL bindings to other languages. You're not wrong to use it, but I just find it oddly arbitrary how most people choose their programming languages / dialects. In fact, I started with BASIC 15 years ago, because it was integrated into the ROM of an old Atari 800XL I was playing with, and later I had a QBASIC interpreter shipped with some MSDOS version (6.20, IIRC). Some time later I discovered FreeBASIC, and instantly switched to it, because there was no learning curve for me, and it allowed to create really nice and multiplatform stuff. But since I learned C for my actual job (~2 years ago), it made more sense to just stick to it for everything. So yeah, I 'abandoned' FreeBASIC, although I still strongly believe it's an astonishing language compiler. Yes, maybe I should've mentioned this before all my other ranting, but it does work! (at least through level one)! (I just blindly did set HDPMI=32 and set DPMILDR=136 before dpmild32 -g atomiks.exe with DOSLFN loaded, IIRC.) No sound, of course, but even trying on Win64, it seems oddly silent. (Not that I mind, honestly.) That's really cool! Although it sounds like some kind of emulation more than a natively running program, but it's still nice that FreeDOS allows to run some Windows apps these days, thanks to Japheth and his excellent HX extender :) Some times ago I wondered about trying to port some stuff to DOS using HX. Then I figured that it would require to include some Microsoft-licensed bits along with programs, which would be a no go for any possible legal distribution.. But now that you mentioned ReactOS, the idea seems doable again, without getting in any legal troubles with MS! If memory serves me well, I believe there are even some tricks possible to compile 'native' HX binaries using DJGPP, though the whole thing is still unclear to me, and I got a bit confused the last time I tried to understand how it works exactly, and the 'MS will track you down' argument made me simply drop the whole thing. I will give it another try one of these days, using the ReactOS stuff. About sound in Atomiks: there is none. I don't felt the need to do any sound in a logic game (personally I always prefer to have my own tunes playing in background anyway), and besides, the original Atomix didn't had any sound either (not the DOS version at least, which is the only one I ever knew, but I was told recently that the Amiga version had some sound effects). cheers, Mateusz
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix (Win32 versions works under DOS w/ HXRT + HXGUI)
Hi, On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste-family.net wrote: On 05/05/2013 08:16 AM, Rugxulo wrote: Yes, apparently you use SDL (1.2, I presume?) You're right - I use SDL 1.2, and that's indeed the only reason why Atomiks won't compile on DJGPP. Nothing wrong with that, as long as you don't miss a DOS port. Considering that a DOS port already existed many years ago, that would be understandable. (BTW, just vaguely curious, why Linux IA-32 and x64 but only Win32 and no Win64? LLP64 incompatibility bite you? So much for portability!) Here as well the reason is much more trivial than what you'd imagine :) I don't have any Windows PC, only an old virtual machine with Windows XP that I used for presentation needs in one of my past jobs. Now I use this virtual machine only 2 or 3 times a year, to compile stuff with mingw. This VM being 32 bit, I simply don't have the possibility to compile 64 bit code on it. If only you could run one (DOS) binary in more than one OS (NTVDM, DOSBox, DOSEMU, VirtualBox). If only such a thing existed. :-) There are Win32 cross compilers out there hosted atop Linux. Even OpenWatcom can (unofficially) compile SDL, from what I've read. Also, you could maybe? still download a Win8 RC .ISO, which probably? doesn't expire for a year or so. A quick search shows that MinGW-64 has builds of SDL also. While I (begrudgingly) have Win64 and MinGW-64, I've not done any Windows-specific programming. So I could (in theory) try building it for you one of these days, if deathly desired, but I don't see how useful it would be (for an app not needing 64-bit advantages). Who knows, maybe you just want to see how uber portable it is or deploy to certain machines (servers?) lacking the 32-bit WoW layer. Honestly, I really wish there was SDL for DOS. They brag about so many supported OSes on their official site but have never had a DOS port at all. I can't agree more. A DOS version of SDL would be amazing indeed. It would open a wide gate to porting so much software! Hate to be cynical, but I doubt it would help much. We had Allegro 4, and nobody cared. We have latest GCC, and nobody cares. Sure, part of that is due to developer ignorance, and the rest is just plain anti-DOS preference. But what can you do? They only target and use what they want to use. (Though I do find it ironically funny that they constantly can keep up with ten bazillion distros and package formats, each for IA-32 and x64, but can't be bothered to keep a working console DOS port of something fairly simple. Esp. since Windows downloads always trump everything else 9 to 1, which means even they waste too much time on unimportant platforms.) But doing a DOS version of SDL is a tremendous amount of work, so I don't really expect it to happen. No big loss, I suppose. Yes, I've noticed you're in love with GPLv3 (such a long text!) Love is maybe a big word for this :) It's a bit like for SDL.. I read the text of the GNU GPL v2 many years ago, and it sounded fair enough, so I used it since then in all my opensource projects without looking back. I honestly never read v3, just assumed (naively maybe) it's a 'step up' of the v2. Allegedly, yes. It fixed the Tivoization gap and attempted to protect users from patent warfare and licensing keys. (It also bundles the LGPL in there, maybe the main textual increase, dunno.) It's just too damn long. And, well, legalese is annoying. Most people consider v2 good enough. Or they explicitly don't want v3 (e.g. Apple, FreeBSD), at least not for base setups. Others prefer simpler licenses (OSI), whether four freedoms or copyleft or whatnot. I don't know, it's weird. Sad when licenses cause things to break. Funny when I see code (uHex) that is smaller than the license text itself! ;-) Though my perception of you, for whatever reason, was always of BASIC and Pascal, not C. In fact, I started with BASIC 15 years ago, because it was integrated into the ROM of an old Atari 800XL I was playing with There's a (DOS) app for that. ;-) and later I had a QBASIC interpreter shipped with some MSDOS version (6.20, IIRC). Yup, all MS-DOS versions from 5.0 until 7.0 (and even then, briefly, in /olddos/ or whatever on CD) had it. I think even some others had it too (e.g. PC-DOS 6?). Not sure about OS/2. Some time later I discovered FreeBASIC, and instantly switched to it, because there was no learning curve for me, and it allowed to create really nice and multiplatform stuff. FBC is awesome, but its -lang qb is far from perfect. Not a big deal, just slightly annoying. :-/ But since I learned C for my actual job (~2 years ago), it made more sense to just stick to it for everything. So yeah, I 'abandoned' FreeBASIC, although I still strongly believe it's an astonishing language compiler. You can mix the two languages. No reason to be exclusive or. And I hear (but haven't tried) that -gen gcc is a lot better these days. Yes,
[Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Hi all, This doesn't have much in common with FreeDOS, however, I know there is plenty of retro-passionate people around, so this might be interesting to some. Today I published a remake of the old 1990 Atomix game for DOS (that's one of the games I spent entire nights on in my youth). It does not run on DOS - only Linux Windows (and should build on any modern platform where SDL is available). I tried to recreate as closely as possible the 'look and feel' of the original. I used all graphics from the original (with the specific authorization of Atomix copyright holders for usage in my project). The source code of Atomiks is GPL. Graphics and design are not, obviously. I'm sorry if you feel this is spamming. http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/software/atomiks/ cheers, Mateusz Viste -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste-family.net wrote: Today I published a remake of the old 1990 Atomix game for DOS (that's one of the games I spent entire nights on in my youth). It does not run on DOS - only Linux Windows (and should build on any modern platform where SDL is available). I grabbed the Windows version. Either I'm missing something or there's a bug. I start the game, and I can use arrow keys to move the selector to an atom, and the Enter key to grab it. At this phase, I can move through walls with the selector, which I suspect shouldn't be possible. Once I *have* selected an atom, I can't proceed further. Instead of moving a space at a time, pressing an arrow key sends the selector all the way to the end of whatever path it's in. That makes it impossible to actually assemble molecules. Also, Left/Right arrow keys have no effect on specifying the starting level before starting the game. Mateusz Viste __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Hi! The selector can fly over walls, that's normal :) The fact that an atom doesn't move one space at a time is the whole concept of the game. Wikipedia explains it quite well, so I will go the lazy way and cite it: The player can choose an atom and move it in any of the four cardinal directions; however, a moved atom keeps sliding in one direction until it hits a wall or another atom. Solving the puzzles requires strategic planning in moving the atoms (...) I believe you expected it to behave like a sokoban game, while here rules are a bit different. I can understand that it might not seem obvious, and I will definitely add some explanations or a short instructions screen in a future version of the game. These things are common knowledge for someone that played the original Atomix game two decades ago, but a newcomer could easily get confused, now I see that. About the left/right cursor: you are only allowed to choose levels that you already solved. If you solve the first, you will have access to the first and the second. But again, I see that it seriously lacks some clear communication, and without this knowledge one could think that the selecting level screen is buggy indeed. Thank you for your feedback! regards, Mateusz On 05/04/2013 07:15 PM, dmccunney wrote: On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste-family.net wrote: Today I published a remake of the old 1990 Atomix game for DOS (that's one of the games I spent entire nights on in my youth). It does not run on DOS - only Linux Windows (and should build on any modern platform where SDL is available). I grabbed the Windows version. Either I'm missing something or there's a bug. I start the game, and I can use arrow keys to move the selector to an atom, and the Enter key to grab it. At this phase, I can move through walls with the selector, which I suspect shouldn't be possible. Once I *have* selected an atom, I can't proceed further. Instead of moving a space at a time, pressing an arrow key sends the selector all the way to the end of whatever path it's in. That makes it impossible to actually assemble molecules. Also, Left/Right arrow keys have no effect on specifying the starting level before starting the game. Mateusz Viste __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
