Re: Selling upgraded Macs
www.online-convert.com converts YouTube to MOV, and fairly quickly I might add. I've been watching YouTube videos on my 300 MHz clamshell that way. Also, my 500 MHz Pismo can watch YouTube videos with almost no jerkiness at 240p. Same with my 800 MHz iMac G4, only not quite as much so. I'm think that it might be a virtual RAM thing, and when it comes to hard drive performance, my Pismo's 120 GB 5400 RPM Hitachi blows away the stock 60 GB drive in the iMac. YouTube mobile under Tiger works great as well. With Ubuntu, the clamshell could even play YouTube mobile videos streaming! HTML5 also speeds things up quite a bit. What kind of sick G4s do you have that not even a 1.25 GHz can play YouTube videos? Austin Leeds Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2011, at 6:06 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jun 17, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: Yes a G4 will not play Netflix, but other than that it will serve the average computer user. The higher end G4's WILL run Hulu, and Youtube. Actually even some of the lower end G4's, like my Dual 500MHZ run Youtube fine. If someone wants a computer 'that just works', they aren't going to want to mess with virus protection on Windows, and the constant work it would take to keep the system useable. True, a G4 system won't serve every user, but a dead Windows system won't serve any users. -Jonas I wish just once I could see the magic G4 500's that run You Tube just fine. I have G4's from G4 500, 867, 800, 1.0, 1.2, and 1.25GHz not one of them will play a smooth You Tube flick, plus the Bus speed is important on them too. Even trying to run You Tube in 240 is the closest I can tolerate, and not all You Tubes are available in 240. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA From TiBook 867 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
Aha! That's why--the 800x600 iBook and the 1024x768 Pismo! Fewer pixels to draw ought to make it easier to render. Austin Leeds Sent from my iPad On Jun 20, 2011, at 12:10 AM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jun 17, 2011, at 6:06 PM, John Carmonne wrote: I wish just once I could see the magic G4 500's that run You Tube just fine. I have G4's from G4 500, 867, 800, 1.0, 1.2, and 1.25GHz not one of them will play a smooth You Tube flick. I agree, but it may not be the CPU that's the bottleneck, it might be the GPU (video card). I've got an overclocked 1.58 GHz Mini that's constricted with the built-in 32MB Radeon 9200 video card. When the Mini is attached to an HDTV @ 1920x1080 it stutters and chokes like crazy on almost any higher resolution video (actually almost all video). If I run at a lower resolution (say 800x600 stretched) it plays much more smoothly with the same resolution videos, BUT, the ONLY native resolution that's not stretched is 1920x1080. I interpret this as 1920x1080 being roughly 2MB per frame, so the 32MB video card has room for about 16 frames, or 1/2 second HD video, so no wonder it chokes and stutters. I believe if this Mini had a large 128MB or 256MB video card the playback of video (including YouTube streams) would be significantly better, perhaps even dead smooth? I believe a slower G4 with a sufficiently large and fast video card might possibly be a magic G4, but 500MHz is a little too slow. A 1.25GHz with a fast large card might be the magic G4, but the need for Leopard will slow that now, so it appears the days of the magic G4 are indeed numbered, and soon extinct. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
Well said, irrational John. My tangerine iBook is on the way ^_^. Obviously, nobody here will want it, but I will probably offer it on the LEM Swap group or on the Facebook group. It'll be almost identical to my current resurrected iBook, including (if I put it on the FB group) Adobe Photoshop 7.0.1 and AppleWorks 6. The only difference is it will have a full load of RAM. What I plan to charge: price of components (roughly $150-$200) + $25 labor and software. If it sells, I'll gradually increase my labor cost to see what my limits would be. Austin Leeds Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2011, at 7:49 PM, iJohn zjboyguard-ggro...@yahoo.com wrote: The problem with this discussion in my opinion is that everyone is correct but you all seem to have a hard time seeing it. I think what matters most when pairing a computer with a person is what that person is going to do with the computer. For those with a heavy tilt towards consuming video, an older Mac is definitely going to be less special. Maybe a PC or even an iPad might be a better fit. But, on the other hand, those with simpler, less computationally demanding needs who just want to do email, some simple word processing maybe, and access the internet through dial-up then an eMac (or other PPC Mac) can be a good fit. So my answer to Austen's question is to try it and find out. I wouldn't sink too much time or money into at first until you get an idea whether or not the market you think is out there is REALLY out there. But it seems pretty clear Austin is in a better position to find out what's out there in his area than, well, certainly better than I am. Maybe a year or two back an acquaintance asked me to help her get an inexpensive computer. We actually didn't get further than that so recently I asked her if she was still interested. She said she was going to look at a smart phone (Blackberry maybe?) as it seemed it would be good enough for her needs. Not everyone is using desktop or laptop computers to interact online these days. Something else to think about when trying to fit a solution to a person's computing needs. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
Yes, but you have to consider that a miniscule proportion of the population actually knows the real performance differences between CPUs. Many people I've met (and by many, I mean most) only judge responsiveness as a measurement of speed, and this, thankfully, can be fudged by adding an SSD, due to the major speed boosts in random reads that SSDs provide. For instance, my 300 MHz iBook feels like a speed demon right now compared to my 800 MHz iMac G4, which has an old 60 GB hard drive. Heck, I've asked people what brand of laptop they have, and they have to physically check the back in order to tell me… [facepalm]. And they're not sure what version of Windows they're running, obviously. Another thing to consider is the demands put on the system itself. Most people I know demand very little from their computers – maybe word processing, email, and Facebook, with YouTube as optional. And while Flash has left PPC behind, HTML5 continues to support it. On my Pismo, HTML5 YouTube videos can run fairly well, and even my clamshell can play mobile YouTube videos without any problems. Even long-time PC junkies I've met have been wooed by old Macs. One particularly ornery PC fanatic (thought his MSI with an i3 was way better than any Mac) eventually broke down and convinced his parents to buy an iMac G3. Then there's the cost. Personally, I've seen iMac G4s – good, working ones – go for $100 on eBay. And then I've seen them go for $400 with a few upgrades (like RAM and Leopard). I've seen iBook clamshells go for $50, and then I've seen the same model (300 MHz) sell for over $300 with a new battery, hard drive, RAM, and OS X Panther (no CD). The total cost of those upgrades could not have been $250 – maybe $89 for the HD (my CF-IDE was $79), $20 for the RAM, $40 for the battery, and nothing for Panther. Throw a YoYo on there, and you've got $210 worth of iBook that's selling for over $300. Make it a $100 base iBook price (over the average), and you're still making at least $30 each computer, which in volume will start to add up. Now, maybe I'm missing something. Maybe it's not this simple. But if you add up the numbers and aren't looking to turn a huge profit (which I'm not), it might be a cool way to earn cash on the side. Obviously, I'm going to cautiously test the waters with a clamshell or something. I'll be sure to report back what happens. Austin Leeds Sent from my iBook Clamshell Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 17, 2011, at 1:24 AM, Matevž Markovič wrote: Guys, I agree with Jonas Ulrich. I use my PowerMac MDD Dual 1.25 for my own research into theory of numbers and it is performing very well! So far it had over 900 hours of computing time in last few months, and it still performs well. Well THAT covers 0.1% of the potential market! 8-P The issue is NOT whether these systems are useful or capable of doing tasks, but whether they would be competitive in an environment where they would be competing against newer, faster, Winboxes more capable for general things like watching videos and such stuff. And frankly you're not going to compete against those. I can routinely get an essentially new Winbox for $300-$400 running Win7 with modern multi-core cpus. (Watch woot, they have them name-brand boxes all the time with AMD cpus.) Or look here: http://www.geeks.com/products.asp?cat=SYS I can get a core 2 duo system for $170. There are a half-dozen Athlon systems for under $200. Im not pronouncing any judgement on the relative merits of OS X versus Windows here, but these are the cold economic facts: these systems are much higher performance than any G4, ever, straight out of the box. Now some of them might be candidates for Hacks, which would be another thing entirely, but selling hacks can get you into trouble, just ask Psystar... In an environment where G5 systems are selling for as little as $150, and even early Intel macs are coming down to that $400 level, a G4 after the costs of upgrading simply cannot sell for enough to cover it's costs. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
Yes indeed. I'm already running a daily paper route and freelance writing for LEM for most of my income—and I might try to apply for a job at BestBuy (or the like) once I start taking my network admin classes next fall. This would be a pastime for me, since I just love to see these old machines rise from the dead—plus it might be something to add to my résumé later on. Austin Leeds Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Al Poulin alfred.pou...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 17, 11:33 am, Austin Leeds firepowerforfree...@gmail.com wrote: Now, maybe I'm missing something. Maybe it's not this simple. But if you add up the numbers and aren't looking to turn a huge profit (which I'm not), it might be a cool way to earn cash on the side. Obviously, I'm going to cautiously test the waters with a clamshell or something. I'll be sure to report back what happens. Austin Leeds Sent from my iBook Clamshell Austin: I can see that you are determined to try this out. My reaction to this whole discussion, strengthened by your last two paragraphs, is that your endeavor is fine if you take it up as a hobby; I mean a pleasurable pass-time. But considering the value of your time, you can most likely make more money per hour in a work- study program on campus, tutoring, working as a store clerk off campus, or working in a restaurant. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
Word up! My parents get way more use from our iMac G4 (2002--$275) than our HP Pavilion (2008--$799). Austin Leeds Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: Am I the only one realizing that your new Winbox for $300-$400 running Win7 with modern multi-core cpus, will be running like crap after a few months? Whereas your mac, no matter how old, will be running great. For the average computer user, they don't NEED a new PC, and the old Mac will work out better for them in the long run. Here's an example. My mom bought an Emachines PC a few years ago, running Windows XP, for around $350 with monitor and keyboard and everything. It ran great, for a few months, but it got SO slow, that I actually traded it out with a G3 iMac which I got for free, which worked great for about 3 years, before I replaced it with an eMac 800MHZ. She got WAY more use out of that free G3, than the PC she paid for. And we never have to buy and renew virus protection for a Mac:). It all boils down to what you want to use the computer for, but a new PC with Windows, using faster hardware, isn't going to out perform a G4 in the long run. A computer is only as fast as the weakest link. In the PC's case, the weak link is Windows. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
The problem here, of course, is that you need to: Be able to teach technical stuff to non-technical people. Be deeply knowledgeable about BOTH platforms. Done and done. I've already converted several people at DMACC... by showing them my Pismo PowerBook and my PowerBook 180 ^_^ Austin Leeds Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 17, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: Am I the only one realizing that your new Winbox for $300-$400 running Win7 with modern multi-core cpus, will be running like crap after a few months? Uhh, yes, because, no they don't run like crap after a few months. I use them daily. I help oversee an installed base of several hundred...there are issues, yes, people get fake antiviruses, yes, you have to be more proactive with antivirus and antimalware solutions yes, you have to avoid Norton's like the gorram plague, yes (but you have to do that on Macs, too). Whereas your mac, no matter how old, will be running great. For the average computer user, they don't NEED a new PC, and the old Mac will work out better for them in the long run. Go to Youtube, play a random video. Go to Hulu, find out 'OOpsie, they don't work'. Go to Netflix (which accounts for something like 70% of all net traffic in the US in the evenings) and you find Oops, it doesn't work with non-intel Macs. No, the average user will NOT be served by an old G4 Mac over a modern windows system. A modern Mac system beats Win7 all hollow (which is one reason why Apple's selling the things like hotcakes), but not an old G4. Your mom's eMachine didn't need to be replaced, it needed to be cleaned up. I'll wager there were eleventy-seven little icons in her task bar (remember the system extension dance in OS 9??? Same thing) and her web browser likely has eight toolbars installed by other random setups, but you know what? NONE of this is actually *WIndows* fault, but the fault of lazy third-parties. (And big names like ^#%@$ Adobe are the worst...they automagically install crap when you update entirely unrelated shit like the Yahoo Toolbar and some notrons or mcaffee crap that doesn't actually do anything.) Once you teach folks how to notice the little checkboxes to uncheck in installs, and teach them a little awareness of avoiding problems on the Web (and I've managed to do this with some seriously non-techie people) they get along pretty well. Great Dog in the sky, I can NOT believe I'm actually defending Windows here, but frankly people have to accept (especially if they're selling these system to naive people who expect them to 'just work') that G4 systems and PPC Macs in general are obsolete, and given a choice of running OS X on an obsolete system and Windows on a newer one, people are better served by the Windows solution. People get new computers eventually, and if their experience with the Mac is: Well, I never had viruses, but a whole bunch of stuff didn't work well, and this program and that program weren't available. I'm not getting a new Mac! You're not doing the world a favor. Yes, you have to spend more time working ON your computer with Windows, but look through the archives of the list: How many times has someone come in and complained about 'I can't play youtube videos on my G4!' If you want to make money converting folks to the Mac, offer your services as a 'Mac Switcher consultant'. Help them move their stuff from their old pc's to the new Mac. Show them how to set up Google Mail in Mail. Show them how to use the new mac; teach them where to find the things they knew how to do in Windows. Teach them useful tricks (like what Keychain Access is good for: looking up stored passwords, securely saving lists of online passwords, credit card numbers and the like in Keychain Notes), Help them find equivalents for programs they used under Windows that aren't there for the Mac. Because THEN you've created a Mac convert, and they'll tell their friends and relatives, and you're the one that helped. (Quick what's the best, easiest cheapest replacement for MS Paint, which comes for free with every Windows system and is the graphics program used by 90% of all Windows users. Hint: Graphics Converter ain't it. Paintbrush is MUCH closer http://paintbrush.sourceforge.net/, as I've been assured by the several ex-Windows people who have asked me for that solution...) The problem here, of course, is that you need to: Be able to teach technical stuff to non-technical people. Be deeply knowledgeable about BOTH platforms. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
Actually, I'm away at classes most of the day, so they have to figure it out how to solve problems for themselves… which they can, 'cause it's a Mac ^_^ Also, I was the one who upgraded our PC to Windows 7… after which I decided that Ubuntu was clearly the better course. Austin Leeds Sent from my Clamshell iBook Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 17, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Austin Leeds wrote: Word up! My parents get way more use from our iMac G4 (2002--$275) than our HP Pavilion (2008--$799). Austin Leeds Sent from my iPad Aaaand how much of that is due to having an in-house IT staff person who like Macs, and works for free? 8-P -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
That's generally been my finding. Also, you have to consider the average: the average person in San Francisco, New York, or Chicago is not the average person in Iowa, even in Des Moines. Many rural or small town folks don't want a computer that's faster than their neighbors--they want one that, as you said, just works. And from what I've been able to show people, Macs just work. Haha, I'm actually going to try TeamViewer with my grandma's Linux machine ^_^ Austin Leeds Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2011, at 6:58 PM, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: I've been following this thread. Well said, Jonas. Funny, there will always be those who have a negative remark. I don't know if it's 50%, 75%, 82%, but I suspect there are a good number of folk who would be better served by a MDD G4 than their present PC. Throw on a copy of TeamViewer and you can help grandma with whatever minor issues she'd have. For those that want to tinker (I picture the neighbor who always has his head under his car hood) go buy the PC. I don't always want a geek experience, I want a tool that just works. The G4 does that. As does my 2010 Mac Pro. On Jun 17, 6:54 pm, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: True, a G4 system won't serve every user, but a dead Windows system won't serve any users. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Selling upgraded Macs
Hi all, I've been doing a little looking around on eBay lately, as well as my college, and I'm perceiving a market for inexpensive but useable computers. Many students at my community college aren't exactly rich, so many of them try to buy inexpensive laptops or have to use our buggy at best computer lab. Needless to say, there are a lot of cords running around our student center. My thought was, most older Macs are far more usable with a basic set of applications on them than even newer netbooks (point in fact: my brother's one-year old netbook couldn't run full-screen YouTube videos even when brand new, and it chokes on almost any graphics-intensive operation, such as SNES9x, which runs fine on my 300 MHz iBook clamshell). So, I'm wondering if repairing and upgrading Macs for resale would be a viable source of income. Does anybody (well, other than PowerBookMedic and other relatively sizable operations) do this? Obviously, I would be starting off with PowerPC Macs and working my way up to intel models as my net profit permitted. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
Hmm, these are some good points to consider. Personally, I find a lot of indifference where I'm at—if it feels responsive (a little SSD will do that), can surf the web (mostly Facebook), and is cheaper than a new computer, people will buy it. My parents have really enjoyed our iMac G4, for instance. What Macs would be good fixer-uppers for profit, then? On Jun 16, 6:00 pm, Powermac teozen...@gmail.com wrote: Flashplayer 10.3 isn't supported on the G4 (forget the last version that was). You can't do Netflix either unless you have an Intel mac. You can play youtube videos as long as they are not HD, even some of the 480p ones get choppy sometimes. Yes you can get virus on a PC, but most issues are just mallware which can be dealt with using software and a firewall. Each platform has its good and bad points. On Jun 16, 5:17 pm, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: My G4 plays youtube just fine. It also digitizes video, edits it and burns DVDs. It performs better than many late model PCs I've seen, and it's rock solid. It will play the grandson's video just fine. The PC will quickly get a virus and grandma's bank account will be ripped off a week later. I can come up with crazy fear invoking imagery as well... On Jun 16, 4:24 pm, Powermac teozen...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, there is a market for ripping off the elderly (which is what happens). You can buy brand new netbooks extremely cheap, why mess around with an old bulky clunker that will not work with skype or youtube? I don't see how OSX is any better then Windows XP/7 for a person who isn't a big computer user, they are both easy enough to learn. Do you want to see the look on grandma's face when her grandson sends he a video of his special day and grandma cannot play it?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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Well, I guess there's always the cheating way: get a cheap working Mac from a non-techy and sell it for more than you bought it for. Looking at some completed listings on eBay shows that this could actually work, if I market it right (hey, just like Apple ^_^). On Jun 16, 9:20 pm, iJohn zjboyguard-ggro...@yahoo.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Austin Leeds firepowerforfree...@gmail.com wrote: I've been doing a little looking around on eBay lately, as well as my college, and I'm perceiving a market for inexpensive but useable computers. Having looked about on eBay a month or three ago when a friend's eMac was showing signs of approaching death, I would speculate that one of the big problems with what you are proposing is something which, in another context, I think you would refer to as a plus for Macs. But in this context it would be a potential negative, for you at least. For whatever reason, Macs seem to hold value a lot longer than non-Mac gear. I would think that would make it hard to do what you are proposing. Unless you can find dead gear for cheap and breath life back into it. But even that approach is not as easy as you might expect. When bidding on as-is Mac's I found that pretty much anything with a functioning LCD screen would be driven up in price by the folks who break them up and part them out. I think they can get a very good price for a replacement LCD screen. Then the rest is gravy, as they say. It's a nice thought but I'm not sure how you would be able to fill the need of this group looking for inexpensive but usable systems. What could you really offer them? (Ouch! That's sounds harsher than I really meant it to. But hopefully the meaning I intended is clear. :-) -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Xserve advice?
Is that your experience with the Xserve, or just servers in general? On Jun 2, 12:28 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 1, 2011, at 9:20 PM, Austin Leeds wrote: Hi all, I'm thinking of buying an Xserve to replace my old desktop PC (a Pentium III 733 MHz), but I've never used or even seen one before in person. I've heard they're usable as desktops, if you've got the room and a good video card—and my room has spaces that would be more blade- server friendly than regular desktop-friendly. Servers are loud. Really really loud. I had the misfortune of having to work in a small space with a bunch of 'em for a couple years and I've got a case of tinnitus to show for it. They belong off in a back room, accessed remotely, imo. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Xserve advice?
I'm thinking of getting a Mac mini as well… eventually. But I really like the storage capacity of the Xserve. On Jun 2, 1:49 am, Charles Lenington macso...@brightok.net wrote: On 6/1/11 11:20 PM, Austin Leeds wrote: Hi all, I'm thinking of buying an Xserve to replace my old desktop PC (a Pentium III 733 MHz), but I've never used or even seen one before in person. I've heard they're usable as desktops, if you've got the room an snip Well since they stopped making xserves and started using Mac Mini's as servers You might be better off checking out a new or used Intel Mac Mini. You should already have the Server software. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Xserve advice?
Excellent! Thanks for the info! So, let's assume I want to just use an Xserve without the RAID for now. I can probably stand the noise (I prefer noise to deafening silence), and weren't there fans that could be put in place of a drive caddy? Could I easily set up a WebDAV server on one of these? On Jun 2, 10:50 am, Brielle Bruns br...@2mbit.com wrote: On 6/2/11 9:35 AM, Austin Leeds wrote: All things considered, I would go with the Mac mini if it wasn't as expensive. I've seen some really inexpensive working Xserves ($200- $300) on eBay and thought that might be the better route. I've seen the XRAID units (empty) for $99. Do they need any additional parts (other than HDDs and caddies) to get them going? The XServe RAIDs themselves do - they need 2 managers (7 drives per card), power supplies (at least one), fan trays (two). Alot of the ones I've seen on ebay and the likes are missing pieces. Plus, you can't do larger drives (500GB) in the earlier models. To actually hook them up to a computer, you need a fibre channel card for the desktop - either an Apple branded 2G one, or one with drivers under 10.4 or 10.5 (qlogic, atto, lsi). Note that 10.6 does not support the qlogics from what I've read. You'll need a PCI-X or PCIe slot regardless. You'll also need SFP 2G optics for the XServe RAID if the desktop card has integrated optics, or you'll have to use SFP to SFP cables like what the NetApps use. Each manager needs its own fibre/SFP connection to the host system as well. For a fibre channel device, its awesome, easy to setup and looks really nice in the dark. But, it is by far not what you'd call a consumer level device given its not just plug into the ethernet and it magically works. Oh, its not quiet either, and 14 drive spindles tend to generate alot of heat. :) -- Brielle Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Grouphttp://www.sosdg.org / http://www.ahbl.org -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Xserve advice?
Thanks, that helps a lot. I actually compute most of the time with a big box fan on full next to me, so I don't think the sound will be that much of an issue. :) On a side note, the admin's office at my college is also the server room, and he's in there quite a bit of the time. His hobby? Building and rebuilding speakers! Right now, I'm in the midst of a project for my college newspaper— we're wanting to expand our storage and give ourselves more local control over it, since the lone Mac admin works on another campus and is overworked as it is. I figured I would buy an Xserve for myself, bring it to campus to test it, and the newspaper staff and IT and I would discuss our options from there. Then I'd use my Xserve for VPN and backups and whatnot. And yes, it's probably going to go somewhere out of sight and out of earshot, to be remotely managed by my iPad. The G5 sounds best. So, is that 3 one terabyte drives, or three drives to achieve one terabyte? On Jun 2, 3:13 pm, Bruce Ryan bruce.r...@mac.com wrote: Hi Austin I'm using an XServe G5 2·0 GHz single processor as a desktop machine, running Leopard client. (It came with 10.3 server but I wanted Leopard for TimeMachine and didn't need server capabilities. To be honest I just wanted the coolness of having my own XServe/shiny Apple joy, although learning how to set up server stuff would have been a bonus.) It's a bit slow but it does the job - mostly. It does need a decent video card (yet to be purchased) - without it games just lead to black screens of death. Also, even though I've built a cage to hold it on the side of my desk which diverts some of the fan noise away from me, it's still distractingly noisy. IIRC, G4 takes 4 PATA disks, while I know the G5 takes 3 SATA disks. Mine came with a CD-reader but I've swapped that for a laptop CD/DVD reader. There may be limits on the total drive capacity: - G4, everymac.com says 'up to four 180 GB ATA/100 hard drives' - G5, everymac.com says 'up to 750 GB of storage with three 250 GB SATA hard drives'. However, XServe dealers who serviced my XServe say up to 3 by 1TB is feasible. Overall, if you can find a way of dealing with noise (maybe put a wall between you and the XServe, then look for long keyboard, pointer, monitor cables and a big masonry drill - or just put an ethernet connection to your switch/hub and control it via your normal quiet desktop machine), want a high capacity machine that can support several drives and looks pretty cool, I'd go for the G5. However, you may find a Mac Pro quieter - and it has capacity for up to 4 drives, already will have a working video card. Finally, as I'm sure you've realised, G5s are limited to Leopard. Hope this helps Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Xserve advice?
Hi all, I'm thinking of buying an Xserve to replace my old desktop PC (a Pentium III 733 MHz), but I've never used or even seen one before in person. I've heard they're usable as desktops, if you've got the room and a good video card—and my room has spaces that would be more blade- server friendly than regular desktop-friendly. The Intel models are out of the question for me (hence why I'm posting here and not in one of the Intel groups), but I'm not sure whether to get the G4 or a dual-G5. I'd be using it basically as a server for my LAN and as a part time workstation. Any advice? Austin Leeds Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac G5 – to buy or not to buy?
After evaluating the options, I'm still going with my rebuilt Compaq Presario as an HTPC. However, my iMac G4 will be getting a sweet upgrade (1 GB maxed out RAM + 500 GB hard drive + Mac OS X Tiger Server) to turn it into a server. In the meantime, my school's G5 DUAL (found out its not a liquid- cooled quad) is having some heat issues. Hmm… Thanks for your advice everyone! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac G5 – to buy or not to buy?
On Jul 25, 12:48 am, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: Also, PPC Macs are dead-in-the-water, so rebuilding your old PC into a Hack wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea. It may be pretty cost effective to leapfrog the liquid-cooled G5 in performance and also have Intel compatibility going forward, not to mention no leak possibility. Yeah, I know PPC is dead-in-the-water—all of my Macs (except for a 68k PowerBook 180) are PPC. Nonetheless, I'm not too worried about it—if it can word process, print, connect to our wireless hotspot, watch TV, and possibly turn our VHS and HI8 tapes into DVDs, it's all good. Actually, the PC isn't going to be a hack. It'll be running Ubuntu— next best OS after Mac and iOS—with MythTV. Trouble is, it doesn't exactly go with the decor, and it doesn't have much room for upgrades. Also, I am a little nervous about unleashing Linux upon a very PC and Mac household. Thanks for the info about the coolant—I'll have to let someone know about that so they can turn it back on (it's been shutdown for the summer). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac G5 – to buy or not to buy?
OK, so avoid the quad? I'll agree with the peppiness factor—it really does seem faster. How about a dual 2.5 or 2.3? I'm hooking this thing up to a 480i (?) CRT via SVID, so HDTV is no factor. The big demand here is compatibilty with older hardware, which I believe the G5 would have more than a rebuilt PC. I'm considering a Mac mini vs. the G5, so I'm trying to stack the pros and cons. Thus far, the big advantage the G5 has is its speed (it may be running video game emulators) and PCI-e graphics cards. Thanks for all your advice thus far. I'm going to talk to my family, hopefully today, to discuss exactly how our home network should be laid out, including which computers we should keep/throw/upgrade/ purchase. I'll probably have some more questions after that. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Power Mac G5 – to buy or not to buy?
Hi all, After what I've heard about the G5s, I was a little wary of the Power Mac G5 my college bought for the music department (which I often help with tech-wise). It's a liquid-cooled 2.5 Ghz – sounded cool in theory but still, I was a little nervous. Well, after a few months of no problems (and the awesome sound of the fans kicking in), I can't get enough of this thing. It beats out all Late 2008 iMacs in the room hands down and can multitask like there's no tomorrow. The blown away commercial says it all – it's got a lot of power in it for its age. So, I'm debating now whether I should rebuild an old '99 Compaq Presario or just buy myself a Power Mac G5. Cost-wise, the Power Mac would be more efficient, but I am still concerned about getting a dud. Is there anything to look for when buying a G5 that would indicate a problem (or a good unit)? This unit will either be a desktop or an HTPC/media server. Thanks, Austin Leeds -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: So what do you think about the iPad?
Personally, I think the iPad is great (I actually own one). It's not perfect, but just like my trusty old Pismo, it does what I need it to do. The best combo for someone who doesn't need the power of a laptop everywhere they go (seriously, the iPad is designed for travel) would be iPad+desktop (preferably Mac). My theory is, a laptop would serve like a mobile desktop while traveling: sitting in a hotel room as a sync station for an iPad and iPhone. The iPad would be the main web and production (dare I use that term) machine while mobile, supplanted by the iPhone for fast, reliable communication. So, desktop, laptop, iPad, and iPhone: each one has a unique role. I've actually tried it, too. I use an iPad exclusively while mobile at college, and I've found very few instances where I need to use a desktop, and only one purpose for a laptop (a PC laptop running Ubuntu for MIDI applications). In fact, for reporting and interviewing (I'm part of my college's newspaper staff), the iPad definitely blows away laptops. In short, use the iPad as you would a clipboard and paper, and use a desktop or laptop as you would a writing desk. On Apr 19, 11:26 pm, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote: Hey Bruce, Cool I will try that, I never installed a new drive before but I did swap them out many times but they were used ones!!! Thanks, I hope that works... On Apr 19, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Richard Gerome wrote: Right now I'm trying to put a 60g 7200rpm HD in it so I can run Tiger but I can not get the new HD to show up in the install window to install Tiger, I returned it for another one and the same thing??? Did you partition and format the drive when you put it in? MOst hard drives come either unformatted or formatted as MS-DOS and won't show in the installer window -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OT; Apple in negotiation with AMD ?
Personally, I think Apple might go in the ARM direction… maybe. I'd love to see a PPC revival, but using AMD (with their powerhouse ATI division) isn't exactly a bad thing either. My desktop, an old PIII (my iPad is understandably my primary computer, with my parent's HP Pavilion and my college's iMacs supporting it) is in some major need of an upgrade, and I'm definitely looking at AMD stuff (for running Ubuntu, not Win7 ;-). That said, AMD has some great reliability (our old 1999 Presario has a AMD K6 which works better than the PIII), and I think the cool names that AMD gives their CPUs might be more Apple-esque than Core 2 Duo or i7. All-in-all, exciting times for Apple and the Mac-verse in general Proudly sent from my iPad. On Apr 17, 12:41 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Apr 17, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: I might be completely wrong Yes, your chart is wrong. Here's the chart: 10.4 Tiger: Separate PPC Intel versions 10.5 Leopard: 1 universal PPC Intel version 10.6 Snow Leopard: Hybrid 3264 bit kernel, Intel only 10.7 ???: 64-bit kernel only The process is transitioning from PPC-to-Intel, and from 32-bit-to-64- bit. Each transition has one hybrid build. The PPC-to-Intel hybrid build is Leopard 10.5. The 32-bit-to-64-bit hybrid build is 10.6 Snow Leopard. AMD CPUs would be a minor modification with no need for any separate or hybrid version. Most Hackintosh PCs already work perfectly with AMD CPUs now. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: File transfer not happening
Are you moving them in one swift stroke or one by one? I find sometimes the otherwise nonsensical process of moving things one by one, especially in large transfers, keeps things stable and running. Is this on your G5 or G4 (I saw a G4 in those pictures of your G5 you sent me)? Or perhaps a different Mac altogether? Are you moving from one Mac to another, or using both drives on the same Mac? On Mar 27, 9:32 am, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi All I'm trying to transfer DVD images fro a 1TB drive to a new 2TB drive the size of the transfer is about 560 GB i've only been able to move about 235 GB and a lot of the other files choke with a finder error, I'm sure the files are OK because they play?? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
PowerMac G5 Dual 2.7 GHz—pros/cons?
Our local music department at my college is going to be acquiring a PowerMac G5 dual 2.7 GHz soon, and since I'm the one who'll likely be called upon to diagnose and/or treat any problems with it (our only Mac tech guy is a good forty-minute drive away at our flagship campus, and he doesn't come up here very often), I'd like to know right up front—what is this model like to work with? It's replacing a G4 Digital Audio (at long last!) for transcription use with Finale 2008, so I'm not too worried about it not being fast enough. I'd just like the major issues and irritations (or joys, hopefully)—little idiosyncratic problems are the least of my worries. Thanks, FFF -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: PowerMac G5 Dual 2.7 GHz—pros/cons?
I just sent an email to our tech (who's supplying the G5) to see if it is or not. What's the problem with the liquid-cooled G5? On Mar 25, 3:15 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 25, 2010, at 1:07 PM, Austin Leeds wrote: Our local music department at my college is going to be acquiring a PowerMac G5 dual 2.7 GHz soon, and since I'm the one who'll likely be called upon to diagnose and/or treat any problems with it (our only Mac tech guy is a good forty-minute drive away at our flagship campus, and he doesn't come up here very often), I'd like to know right up front—what is this model like to work with? It's replacing a G4 Digital Audio (at long last!) for transcription use with Finale 2008, so I'm not too worried about it not being fast enough. I'd just like the major issues and irritations (or joys, hopefully)—little idiosyncratic problems are the least of my worries. Thanks, FFF Water cooled? that would be my only worry. Jeff Jeffrey Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macgu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: PowerMac G5 Dual 2.7 GHz—pros/cons?
8GB and 5 HDs?! Nice!! Supposedly, this thing still works decently, so I'd say it's probably not a Delphi model. Did Apple continue liquid-cooling the Mac Pros? We've got a Mac Pro—couldn't tell you the specs, though, since it's meant for instructor use (only instructors can log in) and I'm only a student. Thanks for the info, guys. How's the Leopard experience on one of these puppies? On Mar 25, 3:41 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Mar 25, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Austin Leeds wrote: I just sent an email to our tech (who's supplying the G5) to see if it is or not. What's the problem with the liquid-cooled G5? On Mar 25, 3:15 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 25, 2010, at 1:07 PM, Austin Leeds wrote: Our local music department at my college is going to be acquiring a PowerMac G5 dual 2.7 GHz soon, and since I'm the one who'll likely be called upon to diagnose and/or treat any problems with it (our only Mac tech guy is a good forty-minute drive away at our flagship campus, and he doesn't come up here very often), I'd like to know right up front—what is this model like to work with? It's replacing a G4 Digital Audio (at long last!) for transcription use with Finale 2008, so I'm not too worried about it not being fast enough. I'd just like the major issues and irritations (or joys, hopefully)—little idiosyncratic problems are the least of my worries. Thanks, FFF Water cooled? that would be my only worry. Jeff Jeffrey Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macgu...@gmail.com The PM G5 Dual 2.7s are liquid cooled via a radiator an two pumps. The first one out of the gate had some leaking problems due to cooling units supplied by Delphi A GM comapny, (go figure) Apple then obtained the new replacements from Panasonic In a real hurry to circumvent the flood so to speak. I think most have been replaced and they have no name on them but you can tell which is the later one by the pictures on some web sites. I have a updated PM G5 2.7 dual and I've had not any sign of trouble with the Panisonic unit. It's a real fast machine and can handle about any amount you throw at it. Up to 8 GBs Ram and 5 hard drives. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: PowerMac G5 Dual 2.7 GHz—pros/cons?
8GB and 5 HDs?! Nice!! Supposedly, this thing still works decently, so I'd say it's probably not a Delphi model. Did Apple continue liquid-cooling the Mac Pros? We've got a Mac Pro—couldn't tell you the specs, though, since it's meant for instructor use (only instructors can log in) and I'm only a student. Thanks for the info, guys. How's the Leopard experience on one of these puppies? On Mar 25, 3:41 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Mar 25, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Austin Leeds wrote: I just sent an email to our tech (who's supplying the G5) to see if it is or not. What's the problem with the liquid-cooled G5? On Mar 25, 3:15 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 25, 2010, at 1:07 PM, Austin Leeds wrote: Our local music department at my college is going to be acquiring a PowerMac G5 dual 2.7 GHz soon, and since I'm the one who'll likely be called upon to diagnose and/or treat any problems with it (our only Mac tech guy is a good forty-minute drive away at our flagship campus, and he doesn't come up here very often), I'd like to know right up front—what is this model like to work with? It's replacing a G4 Digital Audio (at long last!) for transcription use with Finale 2008, so I'm not too worried about it not being fast enough. I'd just like the major issues and irritations (or joys, hopefully)—little idiosyncratic problems are the least of my worries. Thanks, FFF Water cooled? that would be my only worry. Jeff Jeffrey Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macgu...@gmail.com The PM G5 Dual 2.7s are liquid cooled via a radiator an two pumps. The first one out of the gate had some leaking problems due to cooling units supplied by Delphi A GM comapny, (go figure) Apple then obtained the new replacements from Panasonic In a real hurry to circumvent the flood so to speak. I think most have been replaced and they have no name on them but you can tell which is the later one by the pictures on some web sites. I have a updated PM G5 2.7 dual and I've had not any sign of trouble with the Panisonic unit. It's a real fast machine and can handle about any amount you throw at it. Up to 8 GBs Ram and 5 hard drives. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: PowerMac G5 Dual 2.7 GHz‹pros/cons?
Jo, thanks for the experiences, but we're not buying one. My community college has one on hand that they bought new awhile ago, and they're transferring it from HQ (Ankeny) down to our campus (Boone). The sole Mac tech we have seems to be very experienced and knows what he's talking about—plus, the unit has probably been in use for the five or six years we've had it, so the leak would have happened long before then. Lundy, thanks for the info about ripping. One of the things we were considering was optical drive capabilities, and it sounds like beating a dual 2.7 GHz is plenty hard. How are graphics? Not that we'll need them, but it would be nice to know it can fry aliens with the best of them ;-) On Mar 25, 6:06 pm, lundy mac carmo...@aol.com wrote: I bought mine used 1 year ago and I turn it on and off pretty much daily. So far no sign of leaking,. But this one has a Panasonic radiator that was replaced by Apple. It's my favorite DVD ripper and burner because of the speed. Also I like to use it to transfer CCCs. The only thing I wish it could do is boot OS9 because my CAD/CAM runs only on booted OS9 due to a hardware key. I've seen some leakers and it's pretty ugly, But I'm not afraid of the Panasonic's. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: Heavy duty, feels-good keyboard for typist with a vengeance
Yes, I mentioned Matias' Tactile Pro above. Alas, my funds are a bit low to be buying a keyboard that nice (I'm really shooting to get an iPad when they come out). The Yamaha Clavinovas are probably the best-designed electric keyboards ever made. The real levers and hammers make me feel like I'm playing a real piano. As to sound, with the built-in speaker, quality is OK, but put on headphones or run them through an amp, and there's no real noticeable difference between a real piano and a Clavinova. I was a bit surprised when I put headphones on for the first time with one of these things—I thought they weren't working because the sound was so balanced, natural, and lifelike. Only after I took them off and tried playing again did I realize that the sound was coming through the headphones. If the AEK and Model M are as close to typing perfection as a Clavinova is, I'll be in typist heaven. On Feb 25, 10:15 pm, Kasey Smith kasm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Austin Leeds firepowerforfree...@gmail.com wrote: So, my question is, are there any of you out there that use keyboards in the caliber of the Apple Extended Keyboard and the IBM Model M? How do you like them, and would they be worth carrying around (with a USB adapter, of course)? Someone just posted this in another thread:http://matias.ca/tactilepro/index.php Also, Clarinovas are awesome, our school has one and it sounds so real! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Heavy duty, feels-good keyboard for typist with a vengeance
I had a somewhat nerdy thought the other day about getting some old Mac hardware. I have MacTracker, a great little piece of freeware that contains all the vital stats about almost every piece of Apple hardware and software ever made, as well as some pictures, and the startup chime and chimes of death for each. If I were going to look for something that would be economical to use as a small word processing desktop, with the possibility of wireless access through the Ethernet port (WDS with a couple of AirPort Extreme Base Stations), for printing, what would you recommend? On Feb 26, 10:05 am, James Therrault jetas...@netzero.com wrote: On Feb 26, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 25, 2010, at 4:44 PM, James Therrault wrote: The old Mac II extended keyboards were very good. But they were of course ADB. I still have a couple of those somewhere... Look for a Griffin iMate ADB-USB adapter if you want to use one on your Mac. Thanks Bruce... I may just do that. One for my desktop and the other for an old Power Computing 604. Who knows, I might even look for an ol' Quadra 700! JT Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell!http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=dgYRjZxC50tdkbljRBLZ... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Heavy duty, feels-good keyboard for typist with a vengeance
Well, I suppose this would be an article better addressed to one of the LEM groups for older Macs. Thanks for your input, FFF On Feb 26, 10:12 am, Austin Leeds firepowerforfree...@gmail.com wrote: I had a somewhat nerdy thought the other day about getting some old Mac hardware. I have MacTracker, a great little piece of freeware that contains all the vital stats about almost every piece of Apple hardware and software ever made, as well as some pictures, and the startup chime and chimes of death for each. If I were going to look for something that would be economical to use as a small word processing desktop, with the possibility of wireless access through the Ethernet port (WDS with a couple of AirPort Extreme Base Stations), for printing, what would you recommend? On Feb 26, 10:05 am, James Therrault jetas...@netzero.com wrote: On Feb 26, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 25, 2010, at 4:44 PM, James Therrault wrote: The old Mac II extended keyboards were very good. But they were of course ADB. I still have a couple of those somewhere... Look for a Griffin iMate ADB-USB adapter if you want to use one on your Mac. Thanks Bruce... I may just do that. One for my desktop and the other for an old Power Computing 604. Who knows, I might even look for an ol' Quadra 700! JT Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell!http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=dgYRjZxC50tdkbljRBLZ... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Heavy duty, feels-good keyboard for typist with a vengeance
Lindy would be great if I lived in the UK. I believe the North American equivalent would be the Matias Tactile Pro (now in it's third revision), which is made in Canada and sells for $149. I'm not quite that obsessed yet. The IBM AT keyboard is known as the Model M, and it came in several revisions, from ancient to fairly modern. The mechanisms in the Model M are buckled spring keycaps, while the Apple Extended and Extended II use Alps keycaps, just like the Tactile Pro series. (I just found all this out last night, but I'm pretty sure I used a Model M or similar in kindergarten on our old Win 3.1 PCs) I'm going to be weighing the Alps vs. the buckled springs, and I'll see what I come up with. Perhaps I'll look at a trackball while I'm at it (whoa, I just had a 90's moment). Thanks for the advice, though. On Feb 25, 7:43 am, Dan Stobbs autolycus.mercat...@googlemail.com wrote: I can certainly recommend Lindy USB Mac specific keyboards. They use switches rather than a membrane, so they're very positive action (although not the quietest in the world!) and also have two USB sockets so rodents can be plugged in. Don't know if they still make them to this standard: I've bought all 4 of mine off ebay and they date back to G3 days, and come in various Mac colours. They work well, and are relatively easy to dismantle for cleaning purposes. They have a similar feel to the classic IBM AT keyboards that everyone used to love in XT/ 286 days! Regards, Dan. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Heavy duty, feels-good keyboard for typist with a vengeance
So, the Extended Keyboard II has the Alps, but is quieter and lighter than the original and the Model M. That would be nice (although the Model M might bring up some nostalgic feelings in my newspaper advisor—she's a middle-aged English instructor who's been working with computers for awhile). Yeah, I saw the prices on the ADB to USB… ouch. I'm not a big Dell fan… COUGH*cheap*COUGH. But I'm willing to look at it and see. We have crappy keyboards for almost all of our computers here at home, so I think I might look at getting several different keyboards (especially the AEK and AEKII). The PowerBook Duo we have is possibly going to get a floppy here in the near future, so I think I might get an AEK for its sake. On Feb 25, 8:01 am, Caleb S. Cupples calebcupplessocial...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 21:28 -0800, Austin Leeds wrote: So, my question is, are there any of you out there that use keyboards in the caliber of the Apple Extended Keyboard and the IBM Model M? How do you like them, and would they be worth carrying around (with a USB adapter, of course)? I have an Extended Keyboard II, a Model M, a Sun Type 5c and a Dell AT101W that I have on several different machines, but when I need to carry an external board to class, I always go for the AEKII, because it is my favorite out of the lot. I'll try and give my benefits and drawbacks to each (minus the 5c, because you have to build your own adapters for those.. It speaks TTL RS-232 over what looks like a Mac serial port(RS-422)) AEKII: Benefits - Great feel, not /too/ heavy, at only ~4.5 lbs. Very quiet for a mechanical board. Plus, it has all the Mac keys already. Drawbacks - ADB-USB converters are a pain to find, are more expensive than a Model M with a PS/2 to USB converter. Model M: Benefits - Wonderful feel, my favorite out of my collection. Very substantial build, makes an excellent improvised weapon. Bliss to type on. Drawbacks - Very, very heavy. Let me emphasize heavy... It makes my Lombards or my ThinkPad seem light in comparison. It is also loud. Very loud, and I've been booted from a class for using it instead of my built-in keyboard before. Only 101 keys, so no Command key. Dell AT101W: Benefits - Fairly cheap, well-built (not quite as well as the AEKII, but very close) and uses the Alps switches, like the AEKII. Also fun to type on. PS/2 to USB converters are cheaper than ADB to USB converters, by a lot. Available in black, as well as beige. Looks a lot like the AEKII. Drawbacks - Have to look at Windows keys, keycaps nearly impossible to remove (like the AEKII), Dell logo. Key lettering can wear pretty badly on the black ones. Keyboards are very subjective, though. Personally, I like the AEKII, but honestly, if I didn't need an ADB board, I'd get the Dell, because it looks almost identical, has the same switches and is cheaper to make work on a modern Mac. Just my $0.02, Caleb -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Heavy duty, feels-good keyboard for typist with a vengeance
I'm a member of several of the LEM groups, as I operate a whole variety of Macs in a variety of situations at a variety of different times. I have my faithful PowerBook G3 Pismo 500 MHz with Tiger that I use for several hours every day; my sister has my PowerBook Duo 230 that I fiddle with every few months or so; my sister also has my old iBook Clamshell 300 MHz with OS X Puma that I've been upgrading for her; I bought an iMac G4 800 MHz with Tiger that my mother uses frequently throughout the day (and my younger brother plays SNES games with an emulator on it); I work with 2009 Intel iMacs at college for newspaper production and fun; and I am currently preparing to state my case to have an old Digital Audio G4 upgraded at college for use with a Yamaha Clavinova keyboard and Finale 2008. That said, I'm used to anachronisms. I'm probably one of the few people my age that wouldn't mind playing/working with System 7 (or earlier). I grew up unknowingly loving Macs, and my passion for this different breed of computers will continue as I purchase my iPad 3G in April. However, I am a very heavy typist. Between English, my college newspaper, emails, chats, and my yet-unfinished novels, I am constantly typing. My Pismo has a great keyboard for a laptop, but I wouldn't mind having something more comfortable and durable. The difference between the keyboards I work with and the keyboard I would like to have is like the difference between a cheap Casio keyboard and my college's $4000 Yamaha Clavinovas (as close to a grand as you can get in an electronic, complete with real piano levers/hammers and heavy keys). So, my question is, are there any of you out there that use keyboards in the caliber of the Apple Extended Keyboard and the IBM Model M? How do you like them, and would they be worth carrying around (with a USB adapter, of course)? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
