Re: Can a G5 iMac power supply replace MDD power supply?
On 2011/01/24 06:32, johnwd5 so eloquently wrote: I have been offered a MDD tower with a bad psu. Can I use an iMac psu in place and do I need to make any adjustments? *Anything* is possible, but given the completely different form factors of the two it isn't going to be easy. Doing the ATX PSU mod would probably be easier. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 8 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1 GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can a G5 iMac power supply replace MDD power supply?
On Jan 24, 2011, at 6:32 AM, johnwd5 wrote: I have been offered a MDD tower with a bad psu. Can I use an iMac psu in place and do I need to make any adjustments? No. MDD's take a special PSU, there are ways of modding standard ATX PSU's to fit. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
adding printers to a G5 iMac
Dear Listers, My wife's iMac G5 is currently connected to a Lexmark laser printer that works fine. She wants me to connect a color printer to the iMac The problem is, I can't ADD any other printers to this computer. I have been talked through the process of adding printers (OS 10.4.11) by a tech person at Canon, but we were not successful. The printer I am trying to add is a Canon Pixma MX300. The iMac sees the new printer and it is listed as being connected to the Mac via direct USB in System Profiler, but the iMac can't find the driver that the Canon tech and I installed and re-installed. The printer works fine when connected with the same cable to another Mac. I suspect that the problem is caused by some sort of conflict in the G5, but I don't know how to fix it. Can any of you suggest a cure? I have run Disk Warrior, Disk Tools, repaired permissions, zapped PRAM, reset NVRAM and defaults and tried using a different USB port and cable. No problems were discovered Happy Holidays to all and thanks for your ideas and input. Larry Eden -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: adding printers to a G5 iMac
At 8:53 AM -0500 12/24/2010, Lawrence David Eden wrote: iMac G5 OS 10.4.11 Canon Pixma MX300. The iMac sees the new printer and it is listed as being connected to the Mac via direct USB in System Profiler Good. but the iMac can't find the driver that the Canon tech and I installed and re-installed. You installed this driver? Printer Driver for OSX (6.9.3) http://software.canon-europe.com/products/0010490.asp I suspect that the problem is caused by some sort of conflict in the G5, but I don't know how to fix it. Can any of you suggest a cure? After installing that driver package, and connecting the printer, if you go into any app and do a print command, does the printer show up at all in the list, even under Bonjour? If you try to add the printer from the system preferences, what exactly happens? Do any Canon printers show up in the driver list? I have run Disk Warrior, Disk Tools, repaired permissions, zapped PRAM, reset NVRAM and defaults and tried using a different USB port and cable. No problems were discovered None of the above are even appropriate, except repairing permissions. The latter being worth trying because it's possible that Canon's installer farked things on the way in. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: More Strange Stuff On A G5 iMac
On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:59 AM, AndersFager wrote: I'm trying to get this iMac G5 to start from an installer disc in order to format the new drive. And now I have a black screen with a little blinking white square in the upper left corner. It feels like the damned thing has gone Win 3.0 on me. What can be done in this enviroment? Did you reseat the RAM? Do you get a beep sound at startup? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: More Strange Stuff On A G5 iMac
capacitors being those little silo-like things? No, they look ok. And everything runs nicely from the Installer CD and from a Disk Warior CD. I'll get a new drive. Anders It is a 2005 iMac g5 (ALS). It should have 3 Phillips screws on the bottom. If it does, open it and look for signs of leakage on the capacitors. Otherwise, I'd say the hard drive is dead. Mikeal Palulis Kallisti Medias On Nov 7, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 7, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Gottick International wrote: Sorry. I wish I could tell you. powerMac 8.1 - is all that System Info gives away. It has a 1.8hz processor. No built in camera. Does that help? I can now get it to start on the Install Disc but it fails to format the new drive in it. in/output error disk utiliity says. Thanks for your patience. Anders There's a label on the bottom of the iMac's foot that will give system specs, including the serial number. The serial number, when run throughj several online Apple ID services, will tell which model of iMac G5 it is. HTH Jim -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list __ Anders Fager Gottick International www.gottick.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
More Strange Stuff On A G5 iMac
I'm trying to get this iMac G5 to start from an installer disc in order to format the new drive. And now I have a black screen with a little blinking white square in the upper left corner. It feels like the damned thing has gone Win 3.0 on me. What can be done in this enviroment? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: More Strange Stuff On A G5 iMac
This is one of the older ones. Pre-intel. On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:59 AM, AndersFager wrote: I'm trying to get this iMac G5 to start from an installer disc in order to format the new drive. And now I have a black screen with a little blinking white square in the upper left corner. It feels like the damned thing has gone Win 3.0 on me. What can be done in this enviroment? There were altogether eight different models of iMac G5. You did not indicate your specific model. For my own iMac G5 (2.1GHz, 20, iSight), the Install Disc 1 includes its Apple Hardware Test. The AHT ReadMe file clearly states that You may be able to start up your computer with Apple Hardware Test even if the machine will not start up under the Mac OS. You can access AHT by holding down the Option key while booting from the Install Disc. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list __ Anders Fager Gottick International www.gottick.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: More Strange Stuff On A G5 iMac
Gottick International wrote: This is one of the older ones. Pre-intel. All G5 computers are pre-intel. Which G5 model is it? On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:59 AM, AndersFager wrote: I'm trying to get this iMac G5 to start from an installer disc in order to format the new drive. And now I have a black screen with a little blinking white square in the upper left corner. It feels like the damned thing has gone Win 3.0 on me. What can be done in this enviroment? There were altogether eight different models of iMac G5. You did not indicate your specific model. For my own iMac G5 (2.1GHz, 20, iSight), the Install Disc 1 includes its Apple Hardware Test. The AHT ReadMe file clearly states that You may be able to start up your computer with Apple Hardware Test even if the machine will not start up under the Mac OS. You can access AHT by holding down the Option key while booting from the Install Disc. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com mailto:g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list __ Anders Fager Gottick International www.gottick.com http://www.gottick.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: More Strange Stuff On A G5 iMac
Sorry. I wish I could tell you. powerMac 8.1 - is all that System Info gives away. It has a 1.8hz processor. No built in camera. Does that help? I can now get it to start on the Install Disc but it fails to format the new drive in it. in/output error disk utiliity says. Thanks for your patience. Anders Gottick International wrote: This is one of the older ones. Pre-intel. All G5 computers are pre-intel. Which G5 model is it? On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:59 AM, AndersFager wrote: I'm trying to get this iMac G5 to start from an installer disc in order to format the new drive. And now I have a black screen with a little blinking white square in the upper left corner. It feels like the damned thing has gone Win 3.0 on me. What can be done in this enviroment? There were altogether eight different models of iMac G5. You did not indicate your specific model. For my own iMac G5 (2.1GHz, 20, iSight), the Install Disc 1 includes its Apple Hardware Test. The AHT ReadMe file clearly states that You may be able to start up your computer with Apple Hardware Test even if the machine will not start up under the Mac OS. You can access AHT by holding down the Option key while booting from the Install Disc. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com mailto:g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list __ Anders Fager Gottick International www.gottick.com http://www.gottick.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list __ Anders Fager Gottick International www.gottick.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: More Strange Stuff On A G5 iMac
On Nov 7, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Gottick International wrote: Sorry. I wish I could tell you. powerMac 8.1 - is all that System Info gives away. It has a 1.8hz processor. No built in camera. Does that help? I can now get it to start on the Install Disc but it fails to format the new drive in it. in/output error disk utiliity says. Thanks for your patience. Anders There's a label on the bottom of the iMac's foot that will give system specs, including the serial number. The serial number, when run throughj several online Apple ID services, will tell which model of iMac G5 it is. HTH Jim -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: More Strange Stuff On A G5 iMac
It is a 2005 iMac g5 (ALS). It should have 3 Phillips screws on the bottom. If it does, open it and look for signs of leakage on the capacitors. Otherwise, I'd say the hard drive is dead. Mikeal Palulis Kallisti Medias On Nov 7, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 7, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Gottick International wrote: Sorry. I wish I could tell you. powerMac 8.1 - is all that System Info gives away. It has a 1.8hz processor. No built in camera. Does that help? I can now get it to start on the Install Disc but it fails to format the new drive in it. in/output error disk utiliity says. Thanks for your patience. Anders There's a label on the bottom of the iMac's foot that will give system specs, including the serial number. The serial number, when run throughj several online Apple ID services, will tell which model of iMac G5 it is. HTH Jim -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
Mactracker (http://www.mactracker.ca/) has a feature that lets you choose which mac you have and it tells you the software package that comes with it (the proper number on the install disk). I know it seems like you are backing up, but I think I would just double check and make sure you have the right restore disk for the imac before going down any other road. Hope this helps Gus. On Sep 9, 8:02 am, Iamanamma vsand...@neo.rr.com wrote: This is what I have: iMac G5 Power Mac 8,1 Power PC G5 Install disk set Mac OS X 10.4 When I try to install the operating system I get the following message: This software cannot be installed on this computer. Why not? The hard drive has been zeroed. These are install disks for a Power PC iMac G5 unit. I have 4 PowerPC iMacs, as well as 2 Intel iMacs, and I am sure I did not grab the install disks for the Intel units. The disc says iMac G5 on the front of it. What could I possibly be doing wrong? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
It is definitely formatted correctly, I think you're wrong. I believe you're confusing file system type and partition map type? You probably have the correct file system (HFS+ journalled), but the wrong partition map type (should be Apple partition map, you probably have Master Boot Record or GUID?). This will cause the installer to give the error message you've seen OS X can't be installed on this computer. When partitioning the HD, you select the partition map type under the Options button within the Partition tab of Disk Utility. Okay, this is what I've got: Open Disk Utility shows 233.8 GB Maxtor 6B25050 Untitled 5.7 GB MatshitaDVD-R Mac OS X Install Disk 1 Click Erase tab Default Choice is Mac OS Extended(Journaled) Name: Untitled Click Partition Tab shows Partition: Volume Scheme: Current Name: Untitled Format: Mac OS Extended(Journaled) Size: 233.64 GB I don't have an Options button, but the box where the partition format is stated is a drop down menu. I don't have options for Master Boot Record or GUID Are you and I talking the same versions of OSX? I'm trying to restore a White Plastic PowerPC iMac G5 to its original 10.4 (Tiger) software. The REALLY weird thing thing is, I had a Retail Tiger Install disk in my collection, but it was an upgrade disk. Out of desperation, I started up from it. It loaded, and did not tell me it could not install the software on this computer. It just got upset because it couldn't find 10.3 to upgrade. Sigh. I can't install 10.3 on this iMac because it requires 10.4.2 minimum to run. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
On Sep 9, 8:14 pm, gifutiger gifuti...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, Iamanamma, it sounds like you have tried everything, however if I my suggest, 1. Reboot and do a PRAM reset. 2. Reboot and do a NVRAM reset. 3. Reboot to Install disk. 4. Not sure about 10.4.x as I've never had that version, however on 10.3.x and 10.5.x there is an install option that says Erase and Install As far as I know that option will format the disk to be installed the best way for the install. Cheers How do you do a NVRAM reset? I can't even get to the install options. The error message stops me right after I choose English as my language. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
On Sep 10, 2010, at 6:25 AM, Iamanamma wrote: On Sep 9, 8:14 pm, gifutiger gifuti...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, Iamanamma, it sounds like you have tried everything, however if I my suggest, 1. Reboot and do a PRAM reset. 2. Reboot and do a NVRAM reset. 3. Reboot to Install disk. 4. Not sure about 10.4.x as I've never had that version, however on 10.3.x and 10.5.x there is an install option that says Erase and Install As far as I know that option will format the disk to be installed the best way for the install. Cheers How do you do a NVRAM reset? I can't even get to the install options. The error message stops me right after I choose English as my language. \ You have to pick at least one partition to get the option to fix the partition map. Try again you're almost there:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA carmo...@aol.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
You have to pick at least one partition to get the option to fix the partition map. Try again you're almost there:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA carmo...@aol.com Already did that. There is still no joy in Mudville. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
FWIW, the exact same thing happened to me with a G3 iBook. Everything was right (formatting, the CDs), yet I couldn't install the software. I finally gave up, cloned my Pismo HDD to it using CCC (both the 10.4.11 and the 9.2.2 partitions), and it worked. I still don't know what happened... Felix On Sep 9, 9:02 am, Iamanamma vsand...@neo.rr.com wrote: This is what I have: iMac G5 Power Mac 8,1 Power PC G5 Install disk set Mac OS X 10.4 When I try to install the operating system I get the following message: This software cannot be installed on this computer. Why not? The hard drive has been zeroed. These are install disks for a Power PC iMac G5 unit. I have 4 PowerPC iMacs, as well as 2 Intel iMacs, and I am sure I did not grab the install disks for the Intel units. The disc says iMac G5 on the front of it. What could I possibly be doing wrong? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
On Sep 10, 2010, at 9:44 AM, Iamanamma wrote: Already did that. There is still no joy in Mudville. You still haven't been able to confirm that the partition map is the correct Apple Partition Map. I'm almost certain you're going to find out that you've got a HD that's formatted with Master Boot Record or GUID, and you're going to need to start over with a correctly formatted HD. Open Disk Utility, highlight the HD (not a partition, the icon in the left-hand column for the entire HD) and then look in the bar at the bottom to the right under Partition Map Scheme. It should say Apple Partition Map but likely says Master Boot Record instead? To fix, you'll need to reformat the HD using the Partition Tab and then change the Volume Scheme from Current to 1 Partition and then use the Options button at the bottom to change the Partition Map Scheme to Apple Partition Map. Now your OS X should install normally without the warning. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
You still haven't been able to confirm that the partition map is the correct Apple Partition Map. I'm almost certain you're going to find out that you've got a HD that's formatted with Master Boot Record or Open Disk Utility, highlight the HD (not a partition, the icon in the left-hand column for the entire HD) and then look in the bar at the bottom to the right under Partition Map Scheme. It should say Apple Partition Map but likely says Master Boot Record instead? To fix, you'll need to reformat the HD using the Partition Tab and then change the Volume Scheme from Current to 1 Partition and then use the Options button at the bottom to change the Partition Map Scheme to Apple Partition Map. Now your OS X should install normally without the warning. Doesn't matter anymore. Using TDM worked! Installation accomplished. Now I am using my newly acquired TDM knowledge to transfer the user account and all of its information from another iMac to the one I've been working so hard to fix. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
What is a TDM? Target Disk Mode, once known as Firewire Target Disk Mode. Boot the machine up with the 'T' key held down, then connect via firewire cable to another OSX system...the first computer will show up as a drive on the second. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Thank you Bruce! That worked! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
Yes, one of several reasons that has deterred me from owning an Intel Mac. So many already APM-formatted great Firewire boot drives. But the list of Intel-only apps keeps growing. On Sep 10, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: You still haven't been able to confirm that the partition map is the correct Apple Partition Map. I'm almost certain you're going to find out that you've got a HD that's formatted with Master Boot Record or GUID, and you're going to need to start over with a correctly formatted HD. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
On Sep 10, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Iamanamma wrote: Now I am using my newly acquired TDM knowledge to transfer the user account and all of its information from another iMac to the one I've been working so hard to fix. Better be a PPC iMac. Intel and PPC don't mix in Tiger, but are totally mixed in Leopard, so it's hard to keep things straight, especially when they use different partition map schemes for the HDs. It is possible to make a dual boot HD for both Intel PPC, but it MUST be Leopard, and it MUST have the correct partition map scheme. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
Could you elaborate? Thanks. On Sep 10, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: It is possible to make a dual boot HD for both Intel PPC, but it MUST be Leopard, and it MUST have the correct partition map scheme. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
On Sep 10, 2010, at 3:47 PM, onelucent wrote: Could you elaborate? Thanks. On Sep 10, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: It is possible to make a dual boot HD for both Intel PPC, but it MUST be Leopard, and it MUST have the correct partition map scheme. You can boot only with Apple partition map. The HDD can only have one partition map. The GUID is preffered by Intel but not necessary John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA carmo...@aol.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
This is what I have: iMac G5 Power Mac 8,1 Power PC G5 Install disk set Mac OS X 10.4 When I try to install the operating system I get the following message: This software cannot be installed on this computer. Why not? The hard drive has been zeroed. These are install disks for a Power PC iMac G5 unit. I have 4 PowerPC iMacs, as well as 2 Intel iMacs, and I am sure I did not grab the install disks for the Intel units. The disc says iMac G5 on the front of it. What could I possibly be doing wrong? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
On Sep 9, 2010, at 6:02 AM, Iamanamma wrote: This is what I have: iMac G5 Power Mac 8,1 Power PC G5 Install disk set Mac OS X 10.4 When I try to install the operating system I get the following message: This software cannot be installed on this computer. Why not? The hard drive has been zeroed. These are install disks for a Power PC iMac G5 unit. I have 4 PowerPC iMacs, as well as 2 Intel iMacs, and I am sure I did not grab the install disks for the Intel units. The disc says iMac G5 on the front of it. What could I possibly be doing wrong? You're using a machine specific install disk you need a Retail Universal disk. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
You're using a machine specific install disk you need a Retail Universal disk. John Carmonne John: Are you serious? The install disks are keyed to a specific iMac serial number? I bought all 4 of my PowerPC G5 iMacs at the same time. I have two different sets of iMac G5 disks that I have tried, and neither one is working. You know, I have loved using Macs from the first time I laid fingers on one, but these white iMacs have been the biggest PITA. Between bad capacitors on the motherboards and in the power supplies, burned up hard drives, bad pixels in the flat screens AND a bad stand on one of them, I have had more trouble with these particular machines in the 4 years that I have had them than I have with my 20 year old collection of IIsi Macs! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
On Sep 9, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Iamanamma wrote: You're using a machine specific install disk you need a Retail Universal disk. John Carmonne John: Are you serious? The install disks are keyed to a specific iMac serial number? I bought all 4 of my PowerPC G5 iMacs at the same time. I have two different sets of iMac G5 disks that I have tried, and neither one is working. Are they all the same model/processor speed? I think some machine specific disks are that specific. No, they are not tied to a machine's serial number. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
Are they all the same model/processor speed? I think some machine specific disks are that specific. No, they are not tied to a machine's serial number. Len When I bought them they were all IMACG5 20/2.0GHZ/512/250 (Straight off the receipt from Apple) I have replaced a couple of hard drives, but they're still the same machines. I have not encountered this problem before. I found a third set of the original install disks, and they're not working either. Can I install to an external hard drive (enclosure) and cheese the iMac into accepting it that way? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
Are they all the same model/processor speed? I think some machine specific disks are that specific. No, they are not tied to a machine's serial number. Len When I bought them they were all IMACG5 20/2.0GHZ/512/250 (Straight off the receipt from Apple) I have replaced a couple of hard drives, but they're still the same machines. I have not encountered this problem before. I found a third set of the original install disks, and they're not working either. Can I install to an external hard drive (enclosure) and cheese the iMac into accepting it that way? Just a thought:- if in the time you've had these iMacs, they have had any firmware updates through Software Update, that might render their original O/S cds not installable... Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
Just a thought:- if in the time you've had these iMacs, they have had any firmware updates through Software Update, that might render their original O/S cds not installable... Ted Hi Ted: Of course I did updates, because Software Update demanded it. (if you could only see me rolling my eyes.) All of them were at 10.4.11. It is quite upsetting that I can't seem to do a fresh install of the OS. I've not heard of updates creating that kind of problem, but anything is possible. I just need to get the basic OS installed onto this darned hard drive so I can install the updates. It's driving me crazy! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
On Sep 9, 2010, at 8:20 AM, Iamanamma wrote: Just a thought:- if in the time you've had these iMacs, they have had any firmware updates through Software Update, that might render their original O/S cds not installable... Ted Hi Ted: Of course I did updates, because Software Update demanded it. (if you could only see me rolling my eyes.) All of them were at 10.4.11. It is quite upsetting that I can't seem to do a fresh install of the OS. I've not heard of updates creating that kind of problem, but anything is possible. I just need to get the basic OS installed onto this darned hard drive so I can install the updates. It's driving me crazy! OK then can you do a TDM to a working iMac and then a CCC to get it on the machine all you need is a FW cable John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA USA From TiBook 500 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
On Sep 9, 2010, at 6:02 AM, Iamanamma wrote: This is what I have: iMac G5 Power Mac 8,1 Power PC G5 Install disk set Mac OS X 10.4 When I try to install the operating system I get the following message: This software cannot be installed on this computer. Why not? The hard drive has been zeroed. You will also get this error if the hard drive is formatted with the wrong file system, such as MS-DOS, or is messed up. Boot from the installer, run disk utility, go into the partition tab and re-partition the drive, making sure that the format is HFS+ (Journaled). Just select '1 partition' from the drop down menu at the bottom. Look again at the installer disk, have someone ELSE look at it (seriously, I have stared and stared at the wrong disk before, and thought it was the right one), try a different G5 restore set. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
On Sep 9, 2010, at 6:46 AM, Iamanamma wrote: You're using a machine specific install disk you need a Retail Universal disk. John Carmonne John: Are you serious? The install disks are keyed to a specific iMac serial number? I bought all 4 of my PowerPC G5 iMacs at the same time. I have two different sets of iMac G5 disks that I have tried, and neither one is working. Well, if that's the case and the disks you have came with the particular machine you're trying to install on then a trip to the Apple Store is in order. However you stated you bought 4 iMac's and mention two sets of disks that don't work, sounds to me like you have the wrong ones. If you can get one set to work on any one machine then use CCC to install to any other machine. I like retail universal disks because they work every where. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
You will also get this error if the hard drive is formatted with the wrong file system, such as MS-DOS, or is messed up. Boot from the installer, run disk utility, go into the partition tab and re-partition the drive, making sure that the format is HFS+ (Journaled). Just select '1 partition' from the drop down menu at the bottom. Look again at the installer disk, have someone ELSE look at it (seriously, I have stared and stared at the wrong disk before, and thought it was the right one), try a different G5 restore set. -- Bruce Johnson Hi Bruce: It is definitely formatted correctly, and I had out 4 sets of disks. One was for our G5 tower, ad I can understand why it didn't work. Now, I do think I may have used the tower's set to do the re-format. Would that cause this problem? I can easily grab one of the iMac G5 sets and start over again. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
Well, if that's the case and the disks you have came with the particular machine you're trying to install on then a trip to the Apple Store is in order. However you stated you bought 4 iMac's and mention two sets of disks that don't work, sounds to me like you have the wrong ones. If you can get one set to work on any one machine then use CCC to install to any other machine. I like retail universal disks because they work every where. Ugh. I dread the thought of going to the Apple store. It's a 2 hour drive and it is ALWAYS crawling with people. The Genius Bar is ALWAYS behind schedule, and I just am not all that interested in losing 5-6 hours of my day AND having to pay Apple for that privilege. CCC is Carbon Copy Cloner? What is a TDM? I'm not up on all these abbreviations. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
On Sep 9, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Iamanamma wrote: It is definitely formatted correctly, and I had out 4 sets of disks. One was for our G5 tower, ad I can understand why it didn't work. Now, I do think I may have used the tower's set to do the re-format. Would that cause this problem? The reformatting shouldn't have caused the issue. I can easily grab one of the iMac G5 sets and start over again. Probably best. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
On Sep 9, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Iamanamma wrote: CCC is Carbon Copy Cloner? yes. What is a TDM? Target Disk Mode, once known as Firewire Target Disk Mode. Boot the machine up with the 'T' key held down, then connect via firewire cable to another OSX system...the first computer will show up as a drive on the second. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
Iamanamma wrote: if in the time you've had these iMacs, they have had any firmware updates through Software Update, that might render their original O/S cds not installable... Ted Hi Ted: Of course I did updates, because Software Update demanded it. FYI, firmware updates and software updates are not the same thing. Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
Yes you can and make use of the firewire Target Disk Mode check the System Pref / Start up disk - BTW you can get a firewire cable for $ 2. do NOT GO TO FRYS as they want $ 19.95 for exact same cable. Good Luck = add a external drive? JML --- On Thu, 9/9/10, Iamanamma vsand...@neo.rr.com wrote: From: Iamanamma vsand...@neo.rr.com Subject: Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 7:12 AM Are they all the same model/processor speed? I think some machine specific disks are that specific. No, they are not tied to a machine's serial number. Len When I bought them they were all IMACG5 20/2.0GHZ/512/250 (Straight off the receipt from Apple) I have replaced a couple of hard drives, but they're still the same machines. I have not encountered this problem before. I found a third set of the original install disks, and they're not working either. Can I install to an external hard drive (enclosure) and cheese the iMac into accepting it that way? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
I know your mad - get this, I had 6 G4s but only one would let me install 10.4.11, the other 5 are exactly the same inside and outside, but only this one would install, so I just moved the hd to each after the install and updates worked just fine - still do not know why? JML --- On Thu, 9/9/10, Iamanamma vsand...@neo.rr.com wrote: From: Iamanamma vsand...@neo.rr.com Subject: Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 8:20 AM Just a thought:- if in the time you've had these iMacs, they have had any firmware updates through Software Update, that might render their original O/S cds not installable... Ted Hi Ted: Of course I did updates, because Software Update demanded it. (if you could only see me rolling my eyes.) All of them were at 10.4.11. It is quite upsetting that I can't seem to do a fresh install of the OS. I've not heard of updates creating that kind of problem, but anything is possible. I just need to get the basic OS installed onto this darned hard drive so I can install the updates. It's driving me crazy! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
On Sep 9, 12:40 pm, Jonas Lopez jonaslo...@yahoo.com wrote: I know your mad - get this, I had 6 G4s but only one would let me install 10.4.11, the other 5 are exactly the same inside and outside, but only this one would install, so I just moved the hd to each after the install and updates worked just fine - still do not know why? JML I'm not mad, just frustrated. The rolling my eyes was a gesture to convey my opinion of having to do those updates all the time, just to end up with this crazy behavior from my iMac. I probably did do firmware updates too, never suspecting that my life would be complicated by doing something that was supposed to help my computer run better. There are lots of good suggestions, advice and commiseration from all of you folk here on this list. Thank you all so much for taking the time to advise me, to set me straight, and to make all other very helpful posts. I'll continue working on the problem, and will let you know if I come up with a magic combination that fixes it! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
Ugh. I dread the thought of going to the Apple store. It's a 2 hour drive and it is ALWAYS crawling with people. The Genius Bar is ALWAYS behind schedule, and I just am not all that interested in losing 5-6 hours of my day AND having to pay Apple for that privilege. CCC is Carbon Copy Cloner? What is a TDM? I'm not up on all these abbreviations. I guess I'm somewhat fortunate to have an Apple Store and a Fry's on my route to work so In your case I would go to the Apple store with machine and disks in hand and I'm confident the Genius would fix me up, they don't want an irate customer in the midst of new customers as long as you have a legit complaint.:-) I still think there's a simple solution to the problem, just in the heat of the moment we loose sight of the obvious, it happens to me all the time. :-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Iamanamma wrote: It is definitely formatted correctly, I think you're wrong. I believe you're confusing file system type and partition map type? You probably have the correct file system (HFS+ journalled), but the wrong partition map type (should be Apple partition map, you probably have Master Boot Record or GUID?). This will cause the installer to give the error message you've seen OS X can't be installed on this computer. When partitioning the HD, you select the partition map type under the Options button within the Partition tab of Disk Utility. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
Greetings, Iamanamma, it sounds like you have tried everything, however if I my suggest, 1. Reboot and do a PRAM reset. 2. Reboot and do a NVRAM reset. 3. Reboot to Install disk. 4. Not sure about 10.4.x as I've never had that version, however on 10.3.x and 10.5.x there is an install option that says Erase and Install As far as I know that option will format the disk to be installed the best way for the install. Cheers Harry San Jose, Ca ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?º?ø On Sep 9, 6:02 am, Iamanamma vsand...@neo.rr.com wrote: This is what I have: iMac G5 Power Mac 8,1 Power PC G5 Install disk set Mac OS X 10.4 When I try to install the operating system I get the following message: This software cannot be installed on this computer. Why not? The hard drive has been zeroed. These are install disks for a Power PC iMac G5 unit. I have 4 PowerPC iMacs, as well as 2 Intel iMacs, and I am sure I did not grab the install disks for the Intel units. The disc says iMac G5 on the front of it. What could I possibly be doing wrong? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac
Hey the Genius Bar at the Apple Store is free, it's only if they have to send it to back Techs will they charge you!!! I took my Clamshell once because I couldn't get it to work on dailup and they spent 45 mins on it and no charge and just a few weeks ago I took my Titanium Powerbook because it over heated and I couldn't find the reset button and once again no charge!!! And these were to different stores: one was in King of Prussia, PA and the other was in Tampa, FL... Ugh. I dread the thought of going to the Apple store. It's a 2 hour drive and it is ALWAYS crawling with people. The Genius Bar is ALWAYS behind schedule, and I just am not all that interested in losing 5-6 hours of my day AND having to pay Apple for that privilege. CCC is Carbon Copy Cloner? What is a TDM? I'm not up on all these abbreviations. -- Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are going... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac
My MDD runs at around 142F without the CHUD tools, and around 100-120 with CHUD. -Jonas On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.netwrote: On 6/29/10 6:59 PM, Mark Sokolovsky of coolmar...@gmail.com sent 5 blue LED fans and a hydrogen cooled system is in there =) Ohhh, BLUE LED lights, well, no wonder :-) Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac
On Jun 30, 2010, at 1:22 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: My MDD runs at around 142F without the CHUD tools, and around 100-120 with CHUD. Do you know why the difference? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac
I don't think so. My 20 1.8GHZ is running at 162F. Thanks! -Jonas On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:59 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi All Is 126 degrees F high for a CPU temp in a G5 iMac 24 2.8 4 GBs RAM John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac
On Jun 29, 2010, at 12:59 AM, John Carmonne wrote: Is 126 degrees F high for a CPU temp in a G5 iMac 24 2.8 4 GBs RAM There's no such thing as a G5 iMac 24 2.8 GHz. This must be an Intel iMac. And no, 126 F isn't high, it's normal: http://www.intelmactemp.com/list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac
The inside of a Ford Taurus hits 140F easy in the midwest when outside temp is 120-125. 126 for the chip is 'cool' On Jun 29, 1:59 am, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi All Is 126 degrees F high for a CPU temp in a G5 iMac 24 2.8 4 GBs RAM John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac
If my CPU ran at 126F, I would not have to have THAT much cooling for it. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:52 PM, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.comwrote: The inside of a Ford Taurus hits 140F easy in the midwest when outside temp is 120-125. 126 for the chip is 'cool' On Jun 29, 1:59 am, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi All Is 126 degrees F high for a CPU temp in a G5 iMac 24 2.8 4 GBs RAM John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac
126F? That is crazy! My PM G4 Sawtooth's PowerPC G4 processor runs an average of 73F. IDK why, but it's like that. I have a thermal sensor next to the processor. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac
On Jun 29, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: 126F? That is crazy! My PM G4 Sawtooth's PowerPC G4 processor runs an average of 73F. IDK why, but it's like that. I have a thermal sensor next to the processor. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. Mark I'm higher than that Magic Sawtooth of yours, make sure it's turned on:-) JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac
I don't mean to doubt you, but it that 73 F or C? My house is 75F so for the inside of anything but the fridge to be cooler is tough. On Jun 29, 1:50 pm, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com wrote: 126F? That is crazy! My PM G4 Sawtooth's PowerPC G4 processor runs an average of 73F. IDK why, but it's like that. I have a thermal sensor next to the processor. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac
My sawtooth is 73F when turned on. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac
5 blue LED fans and a hydrogen cooled system is in there =) -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac
On Jun 29, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: 5 blue LED fans and a hydrogen cooled system is in there =) -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. Darn I should've known you would have a hydrogen cooled system, what the heck is that and where do I get one? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac
John, remember his video he posted a few weeks ago claiming he had magically gotten SL to run on said sawtooth? He opened his G4's case, and I believe I saw the stock heatsink, not some hydrogen cooling assembly. I call more M-Sok BS on this one. After some googling it appears that the only use of hydrogen in a cooling system is in turbogenerators. (Watch, Mark will say he has one of those in his G4, and that's why it runs SL. =D ) Chance On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:18 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jun 29, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: 5 blue LED fans and a hydrogen cooled system is in there =) -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. Darn I should've known you would have a hydrogen cooled system, what the heck is that and where do I get one? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac
On Jun 29, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Chance Reecher wrote: John, remember his video he posted a few weeks ago claiming he had magically gotten SL to run on said sawtooth? He opened his G4's case, and I believe I saw the stock heatsink, not some hydrogen cooling assembly. I call more M-Sok BS on this one. After some googling it appears that the only use of hydrogen in a cooling system is in turbogenerators. (Watch, Mark will say he has one of those in his G4, and that's why it runs SL. =D ) Why not get one of those little bar fridges at Wally World and poke some holes in it for the cables and put a Apple sticker on it, Call it iCeLeopard G45:-) Yeah i bought RAM to get my BUICK (PM G4 MDD) from 2GBs up to 4GBs cause he said he did it. But that stuff I can use in the PM G5 so now it's 8GB instead of 6. I have a a PM G5 dual 2.7 Liquid cooed and it's CPU's run around 140.F higher when ripping and burning. Well it's for good reading when the guru's get fired up and turn loose of some good info:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac
Agreed. 25C=77F and 50C is pretty normal from what I gather, 122F. Makes no sense that the inside of any device is not quite above room temp. On Jun 29, 8:05 pm, Chance Reecher cha...@reecher.net wrote: John, remember his video he posted a few weeks ago claiming he had magically gotten SL to run on said sawtooth? He opened his G4's case, and I believe I saw the stock heatsink, not some hydrogen cooling assembly. I call more M-Sok BS on this one. After some googling it appears that the only use of hydrogen in a cooling system is in turbogenerators. (Watch, Mark will say he has one of those in his G4, and that's why it runs SL. =D ) Chance On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:18 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jun 29, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: 5 blue LED fans and a hydrogen cooled system is in there =) -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. Darn I should've known you would have a hydrogen cooled system, what the heck is that and where do I get one? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac
On 6/29/10 6:59 PM, Mark Sokolovsky of coolmar...@gmail.com sent 5 blue LED fans and a hydrogen cooled system is in there =) Ohhh, BLUE LED lights, well, no wonder :-) Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G5 iMac
Hi All Is 126 degrees F high for a CPU temp in a G5 iMac 24 2.8 4 GBs RAM John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac display
The vertical lines issue on the G5 and Intel iMacs is a common one. My 2006 Intel iMac has gotten its screen replaced 4 times (the problem returned after some days...). So far the 4th screen is working well, it is in the first month of the replacement parts warranty. I got the first screen replaced because of an Apple authorized out-of- warranty repair (the first vertical line appeared shortly after the 2- year warranty period). I believe it is a screen issue, because I used the external port for another display and it worked fine, with no artifacts whatsoever. Check Apple discussions, they have a pretty good topic on that. It appears the problem started with the first 17'' aluminum PowerBooks, which use the same panel as both the 17'' G5 and Intel iMacs. MM On Jun 27, 1:59 am, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jun 26, 2010, at 5:47 PM, Jim Scott wrote: On Jun 26, 2010, at 5:36 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 26, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Jim Scott wrote: I don't have another machine to test the display in so I'll have to put in the new display and I guess kinda hope it's OK, can the display work awhile and then crap out due to a capacitor problem? Also can the Apple ASD pickup this defect? Both ASD (in OS mode) and Apple Hardware Test (should be on the install DVD) are pretty good about catching problems with the video circuitry. However, I just processed an iMac G5 17 ALS which passed both ASD and AHT tests (4 in all) without an error, yet sports one popped/leaking capacitor on the logic board and throws occasional artifacts on the LCD. It also refuses to boot to the desktop and freezes right at the transition from the grey screen to the blue screen. Yet it will boot to the desktop in Safe Mode, which has lower demands on the video circuitry. It's sitting on a shelf awaiting a new batch of capacitors. FWIW, this iMac also chimes on startup, which means it passes POST. So it's worth replacing the 29 caps on the logic board to save it (I hope). Jim I haven't seen any of these caps, are they big enough for a 65 year old to see? I can solder OK if I can see the joint site clearly, Really 29 of them? I have a TiBook board that I know the burned caps but I can't see that small to fix it plus it's a 400 MHz so who cares? The machine in question is running a 23 HP monitor I put for the kids about 8 mos ago and it works great so is that an indication the boards are OK? Yep, the capacitors are big enough for even a 70-year-old to see. :^) Yep, there are as many as 29 caps on an iMac G5 logic board up through the ALS model. Go here to learn more: http:// jimwarholic.com/2008/07/how-to-repair-apple-imac-g5.php. Jim This is great addition to my repair manual folder. It looks like a good weekend project. I got one of the lighted magnifier head sets from Harbor freight but it's not what I expected so I need to find a better one then I'll feel like tackling this. Thanks Jim. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G5 iMac display
Hi All I'm going to replace a display in a 17 G5 iMac 1.83 for a friend. this will be the third one for this machine the first one was done by Apple Care at 30 mos, it lasted 7 mos just long enough to be no warranty. So this will be the third one I was wondering if this is a problem other than the display itself? The displays begin growing lines vertically in wide patches. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac display
On Jun 26, 2010, at 4:54 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: I'm going to replace a display in a 17 G5 iMac 1.83 for a friend. this will be the third one for this machine the first one was done by Apple Care at 30 mos, it lasted 7 mos just long enough to be no warranty. So this will be the third one I was wondering if this is a problem other than the display itself? The displays begin growing lines vertically in wide patches. Could be the bad capacitor problem; could be a bad LCD. If you have an identical second iMac you could swap the LCDs to see if the problem travels with the LCD. That's what I did last month with an iMac G5 17 (pre-ALS) that had several groups of vertical lines. It was the LCD, and after a replacement everything's OK. OTOH, I've had iMac G5s with vertical lines where the problem was bad capacitors *and* a faulty inverter. I've also seen munged up LVDS connectors on the back of the LCD. So pretty much anything is possible. -- Jim Scott -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac display
On Jun 26, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Jim Scott wrote: On Jun 26, 2010, at 4:54 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: I'm going to replace a display in a 17 G5 iMac 1.83 for a friend. this will be the third one for this machine the first one was done by Apple Care at 30 mos, it lasted 7 mos just long enough to be no warranty. So this will be the third one I was wondering if this is a problem other than the display itself? The displays begin growing lines vertically in wide patches. Could be the bad capacitor problem; could be a bad LCD. If you have an identical second iMac you could swap the LCDs to see if the problem travels with the LCD. That's what I did last month with an iMac G5 17 (pre-ALS) that had several groups of vertical lines. It was the LCD, and after a replacement everything's OK. OTOH, I've had iMac G5s with vertical lines where the problem was bad capacitors *and* a faulty inverter. I've also seen munged up LVDS connectors on the back of the LCD. So pretty much anything is possible. -- Jim Scott I don't have another machine to test the display in so I'll have to put in the new display and I guess kinda hope it's OK, can the display work awhile and then crap out due to a capacitor problem? Also can the Apple ASD pickup this defect? JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac display
On Jun 26, 2010, at 6:54 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: I'm going to replace a display in a 17 G5 iMac 1.83 for a friend. this will be the third one for this machine the first one was done by Apple Care at 30 mos, it lasted 7 mos just long enough to be no warranty. So this will be the third one I was wondering if this is a problem other than the display itself? The displays begin growing lines vertically in wide patches. Are you certain this is a display issue and not a video card issue? Until recently I was unaware that many iMacs have replaceable video cards. Some do, and many that have replaceable cards have had video cards go bad. I don't know if this exact model has a replaceable video card, but if it does, you should check what type of slot it uses and see if there is an upgrade if you need to replace it. On a 24 Intel iMac I was able to help someone find a 256MB Geforce 7600GT to replace a bad 128MB Geforce 7300GT and it worked perfectly. I'm not certain your friend's older G5 even has a replaceable video card, or what type is might be, but I do know that vertical stripes can be sometimes be caused by bad video cards or perhaps even a poorly seated video card. Also, poorly seated display cables can cause stripes also, so I'd urge you to be certain the display itself is bad before replacing it, only to find out it was something other than the display. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac display
On Jun 26, 2010, at 5:11 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 26, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Jim Scott wrote: On Jun 26, 2010, at 4:54 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: I'm going to replace a display in a 17 G5 iMac 1.83 for a friend. this will be the third one for this machine the first one was done by Apple Care at 30 mos, it lasted 7 mos just long enough to be no warranty. So this will be the third one I was wondering if this is a problem other than the display itself? The displays begin growing lines vertically in wide patches. Could be the bad capacitor problem; could be a bad LCD. If you have an identical second iMac you could swap the LCDs to see if the problem travels with the LCD. That's what I did last month with an iMac G5 17 (pre-ALS) that had several groups of vertical lines. It was the LCD, and after a replacement everything's OK. OTOH, I've had iMac G5s with vertical lines where the problem was bad capacitors *and* a faulty inverter. I've also seen munged up LVDS connectors on the back of the LCD. So pretty much anything is possible. -- Jim Scott I don't have another machine to test the display in so I'll have to put in the new display and I guess kinda hope it's OK, can the display work awhile and then crap out due to a capacitor problem? Also can the Apple ASD pickup this defect? Both ASD (in OS mode) and Apple Hardware Test (should be on the install DVD) are pretty good about catching problems with the video circuitry. However, I just processed an iMac G5 17 ALS which passed both ASD and AHT tests (4 in all) without an error, yet sports one popped/leaking capacitor on the logic board and throws occasional artifacts on the LCD. It also refuses to boot to the desktop and freezes right at the transition from the grey screen to the blue screen. Yet it will boot to the desktop in Safe Mode, which has lower demands on the video circuitry. It's sitting on a shelf awaiting a new batch of capacitors. FWIW, this iMac also chimes on startup, which means it passes POST. So it's worth replacing the 29 caps on the logic board to save it (I hope). Jim -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac display
On Jun 26, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Jim Scott wrote: I don't have another machine to test the display in so I'll have to put in the new display and I guess kinda hope it's OK, can the display work awhile and then crap out due to a capacitor problem? Also can the Apple ASD pickup this defect? Both ASD (in OS mode) and Apple Hardware Test (should be on the install DVD) are pretty good about catching problems with the video circuitry. However, I just processed an iMac G5 17 ALS which passed both ASD and AHT tests (4 in all) without an error, yet sports one popped/leaking capacitor on the logic board and throws occasional artifacts on the LCD. It also refuses to boot to the desktop and freezes right at the transition from the grey screen to the blue screen. Yet it will boot to the desktop in Safe Mode, which has lower demands on the video circuitry. It's sitting on a shelf awaiting a new batch of capacitors. FWIW, this iMac also chimes on startup, which means it passes POST. So it's worth replacing the 29 caps on the logic board to save it (I hope). Jim I haven't seen any of these caps, are they big enough for a 65 year old to see? I can solder OK if I can see the joint site clearly, Really 29 of them? I have a TiBook board that I know the burned caps but I can't see that small to fix it plus it's a 400 MHz so who cares? The machine in question is running a 23 HP monitor I put for the kids about 8 mos ago and it works great so is that an indication the boards are OK? JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac display
On Jun 26, 2010, at 5:36 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 26, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Jim Scott wrote: I don't have another machine to test the display in so I'll have to put in the new display and I guess kinda hope it's OK, can the display work awhile and then crap out due to a capacitor problem? Also can the Apple ASD pickup this defect? Both ASD (in OS mode) and Apple Hardware Test (should be on the install DVD) are pretty good about catching problems with the video circuitry. However, I just processed an iMac G5 17 ALS which passed both ASD and AHT tests (4 in all) without an error, yet sports one popped/leaking capacitor on the logic board and throws occasional artifacts on the LCD. It also refuses to boot to the desktop and freezes right at the transition from the grey screen to the blue screen. Yet it will boot to the desktop in Safe Mode, which has lower demands on the video circuitry. It's sitting on a shelf awaiting a new batch of capacitors. FWIW, this iMac also chimes on startup, which means it passes POST. So it's worth replacing the 29 caps on the logic board to save it (I hope). Jim I haven't seen any of these caps, are they big enough for a 65 year old to see? I can solder OK if I can see the joint site clearly, Really 29 of them? I have a TiBook board that I know the burned caps but I can't see that small to fix it plus it's a 400 MHz so who cares? The machine in question is running a 23 HP monitor I put for the kids about 8 mos ago and it works great so is that an indication the boards are OK? Yep, the capacitors are big enough for even a 70-year-old to see. :^) Yep, there are as many as 29 caps on an iMac G5 logic board up through the ALS model. Go here to learn more: http://jimwarholic.com/2008/07/how-to-repair-apple-imac-g5.php. Jim -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac display
On Jun 26, 2010, at 5:47 PM, Jim Scott wrote: On Jun 26, 2010, at 5:36 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 26, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Jim Scott wrote: I don't have another machine to test the display in so I'll have to put in the new display and I guess kinda hope it's OK, can the display work awhile and then crap out due to a capacitor problem? Also can the Apple ASD pickup this defect? Both ASD (in OS mode) and Apple Hardware Test (should be on the install DVD) are pretty good about catching problems with the video circuitry. However, I just processed an iMac G5 17 ALS which passed both ASD and AHT tests (4 in all) without an error, yet sports one popped/leaking capacitor on the logic board and throws occasional artifacts on the LCD. It also refuses to boot to the desktop and freezes right at the transition from the grey screen to the blue screen. Yet it will boot to the desktop in Safe Mode, which has lower demands on the video circuitry. It's sitting on a shelf awaiting a new batch of capacitors. FWIW, this iMac also chimes on startup, which means it passes POST. So it's worth replacing the 29 caps on the logic board to save it (I hope). Jim I haven't seen any of these caps, are they big enough for a 65 year old to see? I can solder OK if I can see the joint site clearly, Really 29 of them? I have a TiBook board that I know the burned caps but I can't see that small to fix it plus it's a 400 MHz so who cares? The machine in question is running a 23 HP monitor I put for the kids about 8 mos ago and it works great so is that an indication the boards are OK? Yep, the capacitors are big enough for even a 70-year-old to see. :^) Yep, there are as many as 29 caps on an iMac G5 logic board up through the ALS model. Go here to learn more: http:// jimwarholic.com/2008/07/how-to-repair-apple-imac-g5.php. Jim This is great addition to my repair manual folder. It looks like a good weekend project. I got one of the lighted magnifier head sets from Harbor freight but it's not what I expected so I need to find a better one then I'll feel like tackling this. Thanks Jim. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: older printer and a G5 iMac
On Apr 20, 6:11 am, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: A friend recently gave me a Lexmark X75. I downloaded the Lexmark drivers from their website, but it seems that the X75 is unsupported. The G5 can't find a driver...but it does see the printer and identifies it by name. Are there any other ways to solve this problem and get the X75 up and running on an iMac G5? Did you follow these steps? 1. Double-click the installer icon on your desktop. 2. Accept the license agreement. 3. Cancel the Printer Selection screen. If you are unable to cancel this screen, force quit it (command + option + escape). 4. If a Printer Setup is not complete message appears, click OK. 5. Go to System Preferences, Print and Fax, Set Up Printers. 6. When you see a message stating You have no printers available, click Add, then select your printer. Note: If your printer is attached via USB, it may not appear until you have selected USB from the pull- down menu (I think that note is for Panther only). 7. It should find a driver called Lexcmark All-in-One if you give it a few moments to search. -A Friend -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
older printer and a G5 iMac
A friend recently gave me a Lexmark X75. I downloaded the Lexmark drivers from their website, but it seems that the X75 is unsupported. The G5 can't find a driver...but it does see the printer and identifies it by name. Are there any other ways to solve this problem and get the X75 up and running on an iMac G5? Thanks, Larry -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: older printer and a G5 iMac
On Apr 20, 2010, at 3:11 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: A friend recently gave me a Lexmark X75. I downloaded the Lexmark drivers from their website, but it seems that the X75 is unsupported. The G5 can't find a driver...but it does see the printer and identifies it by name. Are there any other ways to solve this problem and get the X75 up and running on an iMac G5? I would download Gutenprint 5 first it almost always works for me without trying to find obscure drivers, espesially Lexmark. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: older printer and a G5 iMac
On Apr 20, 2010, at 4:51 AM, John Carmonne wrote: On Apr 20, 2010, at 3:11 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: A friend recently gave me a Lexmark X75. I downloaded the Lexmark drivers from their website, but it seems that the X75 is unsupported. The G5 can't find a driver...but it does see the printer and identifies it by name. Are there any other ways to solve this problem and get the X75 up and running on an iMac G5? I would download Gutenprint 5 first it almost always works for me without trying to find obscure drivers, espesially Lexmark. FWIW Try this. http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/ John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac
john wrote: Hi, Someone locally has a G5 iMac up for sale. I think it is in its stock condition, and has hardly ever been used. They are asking $300.00, with the original discs, box, etc. If it was in Oklahoma I would be camping outside her door. My kid's G5 iMac has the capacitor problem. We need a replacement until I get the nerve to try replacing them. I've seen them higher around here. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G5 iMac
On Jul 21, 2009, at 3:18 AM, Charles Lenington wrote: We need a replacement until I get the nerve to try replacing them. Did you see these repair kits: http://www.badcaps.net/pages.php?vid=21 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G5 iMac
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 10:21 PM, john drkeenan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Someone locally has a G5 iMac up for sale. I think it is in its stock condition, and has hardly ever been used. They are asking $300.00, with the original discs, box, etc. I'm still in B+W world, and wonder how good a deal/computer this is. Here are the specs she sent me. She doesn't know if it has a L3 cache, or what the front side buss speed is. 17 wide screen computer lcd display -1.8 ghz power pc g5 processor -512 on chip level 2 cache running at 1.8 ghz -256mb of ddr sdram, supports up to 2 gb -80gb serial ata hard drive - slot loading superdrive dvd-r/cd-r -Ultra graphics processor with 64mb of ddr video memory -Built in modem and telephone cable -2 firewire 400 ports -3 high speed usb 2.0 ports -2 usb 1.1 ports on keyboard ___ If she put it on the swap list at that price you would not need to think about it as it would have been sold in 10 second. Good deal? Jeez! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G5 iMac
Yah. Buy it. -Jonas On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 10:21 PM, john drkeenan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Someone locally has a G5 iMac up for sale. I think it is in its stock condition, and has hardly ever been used. They are asking $300.00, with the original discs, box, etc. I'm still in B+W world, and wonder how good a deal/computer this is. Here are the specs she sent me. She doesn't know if it has a L3 cache, or what the front side buss speed is. 17 wide screen computer lcd display -1.8 ghz power pc g5 processor -512 on chip level 2 cache running at 1.8 ghz -256mb of ddr sdram, supports up to 2 gb -80gb serial ata hard drive - slot loading superdrive dvd-r/cd-r -Ultra graphics processor with 64mb of ddr video memory -Built in modem and telephone cable -2 firewire 400 ports -3 high speed usb 2.0 ports -2 usb 1.1 ports on keyboard ___ If she put it on the swap list at that price you would not need to think about it as it would have been sold in 10 second. Good deal? Jeez! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
G5 iMac
I have an 2.1Ghz iSight iMac and about a year ago, I took it to the Apple Store because it wouldn't awake from Sleep or from a Restart/ Shutdown. The fans would start to blow loudly and the screen would remain black and I had to force a shutdown by holding down the power key. In order to get it to boot, I had to unplug it, wait a couple of minutes, plug it back while holding down the 'Power On' button thereby resetting the PMU. After another minute I'd start it up and all was well (until it went to Sleep or was Shutdown/Restarted). Genius Dude at the Apple Store told me it was all about the OS and I needed to insert the install disk (Tiger) and do an 'Archive and Restore.' I did that and still had the problem. Took it back and they replaced the logic board and all has been well until about a month or so ago. This time instead of taking trips to the Apple Store, I backed it up and did an 'Archive and Restore.' Now, everything is back to normal and the questions I have for you G- Listers is: What gives? Is there some kinda maintenance that I should be doing periodically to alleviate this situation? Thanks in advance! Rick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
