Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions…
Thomas, yes! these are the sorts of ideas we need more of! :) This is what I'm talkin' about! :) I think Shaun actually also brought this up as a possibility and it crossed my mind too but you two beat me to it! :) So thank you for suggesting this. I think something like this would be a terrific idea. Sure it would be great to have one of us own the company but community driven would even be better… If we all chipped in a little bit we might be able to not only raise the $75 but perhaps even make it worth Justin's consideration of making the code available. -Just a thought… I wonder if the community would be interested in this?… Thanks, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara Another option is Audyssey.org could start a Paypal account where everyone would donate x amount of money until the $75 is reached and then we could handle all free key replacements for BSC Games and Blindsoftware.com as a free service for the community. In that sense the games and the generator would be community property rather than belonging to any developer or company. Since Audyssey.org is a non-prophet organization we would maintain product keys and technical support as a community service free of charge. So might be the perfect solution to this problem if efforts to buy Blindsoftware.com falls through. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi I to would like to see a accessible lord of the rings game where you can pick who you want to be and go through the game as that person say for instence Gandalf or Frodo or Golum. and I like the idea of a side scroler or fps lord of the rings game. from Mich. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Interesting idea, but if not a roll playing game what kind of game would your ideal Lord of the Rings game be. Would it be a side-scroller, FPS, what? Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wrote: I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons
Hi shaun, well this is probably a let-down for you, but after searching his Linked-In profile and following him on Twitter, I remembered that I'd contacted Justin some years ago so thought I would search my hard drive for his name. I came up empty but I did find a note from someone else whom had CC'ed him so there we go. I tried that email addie and bingo! :) So it just took a little creativity!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:36 PM, shaun everiss wrote: I have no idea how to go about looking for someone's email if they don't want you to have it. true if its somewhere I may be able to hack the website but its never that simple. how did you do it. At 12:52 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote: > Not to steal some of Josh's fire here :) but again, this touches on my point > as well. > > While I personally would like to see these games stay supported for the > community, I have to wonder, what in the world many people here expect of > developers? > > Why is it right to treat Justin with such negativity? This is the sort of > thing I'm getting at. > > Can we not offer positive support and suggestion here rather than constant > and obnoxious criticism and derision? > > Why would anyone want to be involved with a community of insistent nay-sayers > when all we need do is approach this another way? > > For myself, rather than argue and complain, I searched out Justin's email > address, first by asking people and then, when that failed, I kept looking on > my own and finally I found it. I contacted him and politely / positively > brought up the consideration of selling the company or rights to the games so > that they can continue to be supported. > > I don't even play Windows games. I did this for this community… > > This is what I'm suggesting when I mention getting involved. Rather than > complain, take initiative for ourselves, and do something positive. Even if > it's only a little thing but make a situation better not worse. Just do the > best you can… -Make sense?… > > Thanks, > > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > Follow me on Twitter! > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Bryan Peterson > wrote: > > We're still basically having to purchase them again as well as other products > not everybody's going to be interested in. > > > > But thou must! > -Original Message- From: Draconis > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:35 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… > > > You could only say you're being forced to re-purchase products you already > own if he was charging the full price…but he isn't. Not even close. You're > effectively getting the majority of the products for free. > > But regardless, I've said my piece. I didn't expect many to agree with me. > Carry on. :) > > On Apr 18, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Bryan Peterson > wrote: > > > A little. It's one thing to offer the games and other programs he's written > > at ridiculously reduced prices. But it's quite another to basically force > > those who've already purchased said titles to basically purchase them > > again, as well as programs they may not necessarily want just so that they > > can get the code generator in order to keep playing their favorite titles > > on new machines. I myself would happily pay, if I could be assured of > > getting only those titles that I wanted, those being the code generator and > > possibly Day-by-Day Professional, because I already purchased the five > > major titles. It's not the fact that we have to pay that's got most of us > > upset so much as the fact that we're having to repurchase titles we > > purchased years ago on top of any new products we might want. > > > > > > > > But thou must! > > -Original Message- From: Draconis > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:10 PM > > To: Gamers Discussion list > > Subject: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… > > > > Hi all, > > > > BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern > > platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the > > industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. > > > > I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments > > being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants > > something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that > > Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has > > released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to > > its detriment. > > > > Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return > > to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are > > grown. P
Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Well, yeah. that to. On 19/04/2013, shaun everiss wrote: > dallas you mean that when he takes over the gaming world all others > that don't play by his rules are changed into zombies and put in his > dungeon of swamp for us to shoot. > Oh its good to work for the dark master hehehehe --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions…
Hi Cara, It makes perfect sense, and I for one agree with you. We could use a lot less negativity and a little more constructive thought how we might keep these games alive for posterity. I for one have also have emailed Justin and have asked him if he'd be willing to sell the rights to Blindsoftware.com. So hopefully he will get back with you or I on that issue and be willing to sell his source to someone else who will carry the torch for BSC Games. Another option is Audyssey.org could start a Paypal account where everyone would donate x amount of money until the $75 is reached and then we could handle all free key replacements for BSC Games and Blindsoftware.com as a free service for the community. In that sense the games and the generator would be community property rather than belonging to any developer or company. Since Audyssey.org is a non-prophet organization we would maintain product keys and technical support as a community service free of charge. So might be the perfect solution to this problem if efforts to buy Blindsoftware.com falls through. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Cara Quinn wrote: > Not to steal some of Josh's fire here :) but again, this touches on my point > as well. > > While I personally would like to see these games stay supported for the > community, I have to wonder, what in the world many people here expect of > developers? > > Why is it right to treat Justin with such negativity? This is the sort of > thing I'm getting at. > > Can we not offer positive support and suggestion here rather than constant > and obnoxious criticism and derision? > > Why would anyone want to be involved with a community of insistent > nay-sayers when all we need do is approach this another way? > > For myself, rather than argue and complain, I searched out Justin's email > address, first by asking people and then, when that failed, I kept looking > on my own and finally I found it. I contacted him and politely / positively > brought up the consideration of selling the company or rights to the games > so that they can continue to be supported. > > I don't even play Windows games. I did this for this community… > > This is what I'm suggesting when I mention getting involved. Rather than > complain, take initiative for ourselves, and do something positive. Even if > it's only a little thing but make a situation better not worse. Just do the > best you can… -Make sense?… > > Thanks, > > Cara :) > --- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] swamp and anew controller
Hello there Yes joy does mouse movements. Atleast on some pads. Well atleast as of 4 years ago thay did. I had a a ps2 stile controller with a usb b4 I lost my sight and it worked fine. U can also program your most cominly used keys 2 work on what ever button u want. U know in fact I think I'll take it out of retirermint l o l. Thank u 4 bringing up this topic r o f l. Hth Bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mush z problem updating
Hi, Grabbed the update file from the website, ran it, and got the following error message: Error graphic 775 I couldn't get the file from the server. Maybe it is down? OK Will run it later. But thought it might be mentioned just in case. and yes, I too appreciate all that everyone has done with the mush z package and all. Really makes the game worth playing. Shermanator - Original Message - From: "Oriol Gómez" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:06 PM Thanks James, I really appreciate it. Me and Denis are working on fixing the servers to have something more robust and easy for everyone. Thanks --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
dallas you mean that when he takes over the gaming world all others that don't play by his rules are changed into zombies and put in his dungeon of swamp for us to shoot. Oh its good to work for the dark master hehehehe At 04:10 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote: yep, thomas, by that time, aprone will have taken over the audio gaming world, ... um, ... thats if he hasn't already. lol. and he will likely have either driven other devs out, or forced them to up their skills, and bring out games to compete. ahaha. that can only be a good thing, of course. without compatision, we don't go far. anyways, yeah, i myself, as i said, tend to be on the cutting edge of windows these days. so i will feel it, long before most people. thanks be, that xp is ending next year. yes, it was good in its day. but its day is well and truely gone now. its old, not very secure, slow, and out of date. lol. and yes, i used it myself up till about 2009 / 2010, so i was using it for a good 8 years, including installing it myself on hybrid machines i either modded, or partly constructed. so i got very used to its ins and outs. but its time is gone now. at the very least, windows 7 is the way to go. personally, i'd say all should upgrade to windows 8 if they can, but windows 7, at the least if they can't go to 8, or don't like 8 so much. best regards: dallas On 19/04/2013, Thomas Ward wrote: > Hi Dallas, > > That's definitely a good point you raised. Most of this community is > very slow to change, and right now even though Windows 8 is the new OS > most people are still using XP. With Windows 8 having almost 10 years > of support left any real compatibility issues are still way down the > road yet. > > Since I upgrade much more often than the community as a whole I will > obviously be effected before most. However, for a lot of the users > worrying over compatibility right now really isn't an issue. As you > say in 10 years I would think there will be more games to play and > perhaps much better to concern ourselves with than these games. > > Plus with BGT if someone had the sounds and music it would not be a > huge deal to create something like Troopenum. Troopenum Classic and > Troopenum II are all pretty easy games to program. Just give me the > sounds and I probably could do it relatively quickly. > > Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Hi Cara, Well, I guess in time it would certainly pay for itself. After all I am getting an unlimited number of unlock codes for every piece of software on the site and $75 for that is a deal when I stop to consider the total value of the package. Of course, I'd pay double that if I could have his source code which I could convert to newer programming languages and turn around and resell. :D Cheers! On 4/18/13, Cara Quinn wrote: > Thomas, in this case though, If one spends the $75 you get the benefit of > having even just a single game on as many systems as you choose for as long > as the games are playable. -Not even mentioning the other titles… So even > this would surely balance out the price tag. Yes? > > Thanks, > > Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
yep, thomas, by that time, aprone will have taken over the audio gaming world, ... um, ... thats if he hasn't already. lol. and he will likely have either driven other devs out, or forced them to up their skills, and bring out games to compete. ahaha. that can only be a good thing, of course. without compatision, we don't go far. anyways, yeah, i myself, as i said, tend to be on the cutting edge of windows these days. so i will feel it, long before most people. thanks be, that xp is ending next year. yes, it was good in its day. but its day is well and truely gone now. its old, not very secure, slow, and out of date. lol. and yes, i used it myself up till about 2009 / 2010, so i was using it for a good 8 years, including installing it myself on hybrid machines i either modded, or partly constructed. so i got very used to its ins and outs. but its time is gone now. at the very least, windows 7 is the way to go. personally, i'd say all should upgrade to windows 8 if they can, but windows 7, at the least if they can't go to 8, or don't like 8 so much. best regards: dallas On 19/04/2013, Thomas Ward wrote: > Hi Dallas, > > That's definitely a good point you raised. Most of this community is > very slow to change, and right now even though Windows 8 is the new OS > most people are still using XP. With Windows 8 having almost 10 years > of support left any real compatibility issues are still way down the > road yet. > > Since I upgrade much more often than the community as a whole I will > obviously be effected before most. However, for a lot of the users > worrying over compatibility right now really isn't an issue. As you > say in 10 years I would think there will be more games to play and > perhaps much better to concern ourselves with than these games. > > Plus with BGT if someone had the sounds and music it would not be a > huge deal to create something like Troopenum. Troopenum Classic and > Troopenum II are all pretty easy games to program. Just give me the > sounds and I probably could do it relatively quickly. > > Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi Charles, Interesting idea, but if not a roll playing game what kind of game would your ideal Lord of the Rings game be. Would it be a side-scroller, FPS, what? Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wrote: > I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not > role playing games. > > -- > If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] ok taken the plunge
Hello, Shawn. Can you email me off list? I have something I would like to inquire about. My email address is c...@samobile.net Thanks! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mush z problem updating
Thanks James, I really appreciate it. Me and Denis are working on fixing the servers to have something more robust and easy for everyone. Thanks On 4/18/13, James Bartlett wrote: > Hello Dennis > > I just want 2 say thank u and Oriol 4 working on this. I know when > things go wrong u guys hear about it, but u never hear the thanks when > things r running right. So I just wanted 2 tell u again thank u so very > much. > > Bfn > James > a. k. a. > Caspero > > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] ok taken the plunge
Hi. I have got the pack. in nz its a bit more for than 75 could be a little less but I have it now. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Lol, sounds like a cool game idea! At 01:39 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote: You are absolutely right scot justin is not bad but the way he worded his posting has sertainly put him right in the mud pit. and I think I would be one of those chucking the mud. At 02:26 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote: Somewhat hilariously, I'd say he's made things difficult for himself with that spammy style of email. If it'd been as straight forward as "folks, the company is shutting up shop because of this that and the other on this date in May, but you can grab our key generator for $75 and keep your existing titles alive after we're gone", I think there'd be 75% less griping going on here. Way to shoot yourself in the foot Mr D! Just a thought. It probably won't even make a dent. Scott On 4/19/13, Charles Rivard wrote: > Here is the complete Email that I was sent. While it doesn't list > everything that was produced, I think most are mentioned. It also is what > Justin is going to be doing, what he is offering, and why: > > of high intention, sincere effort, > intelligent direction, and skillful execution!" > > > - Original Message - > From: Justin Daubenmire from BlindSoftware.com > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:37 > Subject: BlindSoftware.com is closing forever! > > > BlindSoftware.com - your place on the net for software for the blind and > visually impaired. > > supp...@blindsoftware.com > > Thursday, April 18, 2013 > > > > It is Justin Daubenmire, founder of BlindSoftware.com. I hope this email > finds you well. I'm sending you this email because you either signed up for > > my newsletter a while ago or you recently purchased a program from my > website. I have some good news that I wanted to share with you so get > ready! > > Over the next month, I am going to be closing BlindSoftware.com forever. > That's right, forever. And you are thinking. and that is good news? > Actually, yes it is. keep reading! > > When I opened up BlindSoftware.com back in 2001 , I was 28 years old and > single. Today, I am 40 years old, married, and have 4 children all under the > > age of 11! So what exactly does that mean? Well, not only am I blind, but > being a father of 4 lovely children (and a dog) has also caused me to go > bald! The joke in my home is that dad is bald and beautiful! Lol. > > Simply put, now that I am a father and husband I just do not have enough > time to devote to the company anymore so I am going to close it. However, > before I close the doors on it, I wanted to contact you with a very special > > offer that I think you will appreciate. > > The software that I currently offer through BlindSoftware.com includes: > > Games > a.. Classic Pipe - a $24.95 value > b.. Classic Troopanum - a $24.95 value > c.. Troopanum in Spanish - a $24.95 value > d.. Hunter - a $34.95 value > e.. Blast Chamber - a $34.95 value > f.. Troopanum 2.0 - a $34.95 value > g.. Word Strain Volume 1 - a $14.99 value > h.. Word Strain Volume 2 - a $14.99 value > Ok, as if that isn't enough. here are more programs (not games) that I offer > > on the site too: > > a.. Day By Day Professional Calendar/Appointment/reminder program - a > $29.99 value > b.. BSC Talking Clock and reminder program - a $19.99 value > c.. Pulse MP3 player - a $14.99 value > Wow. that is a ton of games and software if I might say so myself! > Collectively, if you were to purchase every single program I just listed, it > > would cost you a hefty $285 (including tax). But, I am not in this to get > wealthy. I make my living as a computer programmer working for a large > corporation in the United States. So, before I close BlindSoftware.com > forever, I want to help you have all these programs for your personal > enjoyment and entertainment. > > So, I'm not going to ask $285 of you - In fact, I think you'll be pleasantly > > surprised to find that I'm not even going to go anywhere NEAR that. > > By taking action today, you can get all of this. everything mentioned above > > for the low, one time investment > > of only. > > $200.no - $150.no - $100. no - $90. no - $75. Yes, that's right. If you > order today, you will be guaranteed the incredibly low one time price of > just $75 for all of the games and programs offered on BlindSoftware.com. > > *** Free Bonuses (valued at over $85 *** > > When you make the smart decision to grab your own copy of all the > BlindSoftware.com programs, you'll also receive these Thank You gifts, > valued at over $85. > > Your bonuses include. > > Free Bonus # 1 > Value $57 > > BSC Unlock Code Generator Program: Create Your Own Unlock Codes > > This powerful program will allow you to generate your own unlock codes for > all of the games and programs that you purchase. Even though the > BlindSoftware.com company is closing down forever, you can use this program > > to continue to create your own unlock codes. So your computer dies and you > get a new one? No problem, use the BSC unlock code generator p
Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
You are absolutely right scot justin is not bad but the way he worded his posting has sertainly put him right in the mud pit. and I think I would be one of those chucking the mud. At 02:26 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote: Somewhat hilariously, I'd say he's made things difficult for himself with that spammy style of email. If it'd been as straight forward as "folks, the company is shutting up shop because of this that and the other on this date in May, but you can grab our key generator for $75 and keep your existing titles alive after we're gone", I think there'd be 75% less griping going on here. Way to shoot yourself in the foot Mr D! Just a thought. It probably won't even make a dent. Scott On 4/19/13, Charles Rivard wrote: > Here is the complete Email that I was sent. While it doesn't list > everything that was produced, I think most are mentioned. It also is what > Justin is going to be doing, what he is offering, and why: > > of high intention, sincere effort, > intelligent direction, and skillful execution!" > > > - Original Message - > From: Justin Daubenmire from BlindSoftware.com > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:37 > Subject: BlindSoftware.com is closing forever! > > > BlindSoftware.com - your place on the net for software for the blind and > visually impaired. > > supp...@blindsoftware.com > > Thursday, April 18, 2013 > > > > It is Justin Daubenmire, founder of BlindSoftware.com. I hope this email > finds you well. I'm sending you this email because you either signed up for > > my newsletter a while ago or you recently purchased a program from my > website. I have some good news that I wanted to share with you so get > ready! > > Over the next month, I am going to be closing BlindSoftware.com forever. > That's right, forever. And you are thinking. and that is good news? > Actually, yes it is. keep reading! > > When I opened up BlindSoftware.com back in 2001 , I was 28 years old and > single. Today, I am 40 years old, married, and have 4 children all under the > > age of 11! So what exactly does that mean? Well, not only am I blind, but > being a father of 4 lovely children (and a dog) has also caused me to go > bald! The joke in my home is that dad is bald and beautiful! Lol. > > Simply put, now that I am a father and husband I just do not have enough > time to devote to the company anymore so I am going to close it. However, > before I close the doors on it, I wanted to contact you with a very special > > offer that I think you will appreciate. > > The software that I currently offer through BlindSoftware.com includes: > > Games > a.. Classic Pipe - a $24.95 value > b.. Classic Troopanum - a $24.95 value > c.. Troopanum in Spanish - a $24.95 value > d.. Hunter - a $34.95 value > e.. Blast Chamber - a $34.95 value > f.. Troopanum 2.0 - a $34.95 value > g.. Word Strain Volume 1 - a $14.99 value > h.. Word Strain Volume 2 - a $14.99 value > Ok, as if that isn't enough. here are more programs (not games) that I offer > > on the site too: > > a.. Day By Day Professional Calendar/Appointment/reminder program - a > $29.99 value > b.. BSC Talking Clock and reminder program - a $19.99 value > c.. Pulse MP3 player - a $14.99 value > Wow. that is a ton of games and software if I might say so myself! > Collectively, if you were to purchase every single program I just listed, it > > would cost you a hefty $285 (including tax). But, I am not in this to get > wealthy. I make my living as a computer programmer working for a large > corporation in the United States. So, before I close BlindSoftware.com > forever, I want to help you have all these programs for your personal > enjoyment and entertainment. > > So, I'm not going to ask $285 of you - In fact, I think you'll be pleasantly > > surprised to find that I'm not even going to go anywhere NEAR that. > > By taking action today, you can get all of this. everything mentioned above > > for the low, one time investment > > of only. > > $200.no - $150.no - $100. no - $90. no - $75. Yes, that's right. If you > order today, you will be guaranteed the incredibly low one time price of > just $75 for all of the games and programs offered on BlindSoftware.com. > > *** Free Bonuses (valued at over $85 *** > > When you make the smart decision to grab your own copy of all the > BlindSoftware.com programs, you'll also receive these Thank You gifts, > valued at over $85. > > Your bonuses include. > > Free Bonus # 1 > Value $57 > > BSC Unlock Code Generator Program: Create Your Own Unlock Codes > > This powerful program will allow you to generate your own unlock codes for > all of the games and programs that you purchase. Even though the > BlindSoftware.com company is closing down forever, you can use this program > > to continue to create your own unlock codes. So your computer dies and you > get a new one? No problem, use the BSC unlock code generator program to > create your own new unlock codes for all the games and programs. Y
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons
I have no idea how to go about looking for someone's email if they don't want you to have it. true if its somewhere I may be able to hack the website but its never that simple. how did you do it. At 12:52 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote: Not to steal some of Josh's fire here :) but again, this touches on my point as well. While I personally would like to see these games stay supported for the community, I have to wonder, what in the world many people here expect of developers? Why is it right to treat Justin with such negativity? This is the sort of thing I'm getting at. Can we not offer positive support and suggestion here rather than constant and obnoxious criticism and derision? Why would anyone want to be involved with a community of insistent nay-sayers when all we need do is approach this another way? For myself, rather than argue and complain, I searched out Justin's email address, first by asking people and then, when that failed, I kept looking on my own and finally I found it. I contacted him and politely / positively brought up the consideration of selling the company or rights to the games so that they can continue to be supported. I don't even play Windows games. I did this for this community This is what I'm suggesting when I mention getting involved. Rather than complain, take initiative for ourselves, and do something positive. Even if it's only a little thing but make a situation better not worse. Just do the best you can -Make sense? Thanks, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Bryan Peterson wrote: We're still basically having to purchase them again as well as other products not everybody's going to be interested in. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:35 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions You could only say you're being forced to re-purchase products you already own if he was charging the full price but he isn't. Not even close. You're effectively getting the majority of the products for free. But regardless, I've said my piece. I didn't expect many to agree with me. Carry on. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Bryan Peterson wrote: > A little. It's one thing to offer the games and other programs he's written at ridiculously reduced prices. But it's quite another to basically force those who've already purchased said titles to basically purchase them again, as well as programs they may not necessarily want just so that they can get the code generator in order to keep playing their favorite titles on new machines. I myself would happily pay, if I could be assured of getting only those titles that I wanted, those being the code generator and possibly Day-by-Day Professional, because I already purchased the five major titles. It's not the fact that we have to pay that's got most of us upset so much as the fact that we're having to repurchase titles we purchased years ago on top of any new products we might want. > > > > But thou must! > -Original Message- From: Draconis > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:10 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions > > Hi all, > > BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. > > I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. > > Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. > > Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. > > Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of enter
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
well what I heard was rumour round local youth groups, it was ages ago and the group I was in went extreemist some years back and I quit, and a good thing to since they got into trouble later on however I was not near it at the time. At 12:19 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote: I've even heard Lord of the Rings had some biblical elements in it, at least as far as some of te ordealsFrodo had to go through. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Shaun, If you are talking about the Narnia books, games, and movies the answer is yes. C. S. Louis was a Christian, and according to his own commentary about the books he wanted to introduce children to bible concepts through fictional stories about animals and children. As a result that is why in the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe Azlan is sacrificed and resurrects from the dead which was obviously meant to represent Christ's death and resurrection. In the Magicians Nephew the creation of Narnia takes on the format of the biblical creation. There are other examples, but by and large the Narnia books, though fantasy, are loosely based on the bible in their own way. Cheers! On 4/18/13, shaun everiss wrote: I thought they had some bible type things as their base though I have never really cared for fantasy as a whole genre myself adventure scifi and a few other humourous things are what I go for. Some fantasy loops round you know who must die you know who everything is, its not my type of thing. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
aah, thats good to know kara. I wander if this could be a community thing, to long have we wandered and wined about thing, maybe if everyone that can put in something we could get the cash for an offer this could potentually make one of the core companies to be owned by the gaming community at large. At 12:06 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote: HI shaun, the site contact page should be up now. I tried contacting Justin yesterday afternoon about purchasing the company or the rights to the software and the send failed. I then emailed him and did get a response letting me know that he did repair the site contact area and that he'd already been contacted by interested parties about licensing but that there were no serious offers. I'll let the list know if he does get back with me. thanks, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 17, 2013, at 9:51 PM, shaun everiss wrote: thats true, now if only there is a way to contact him about this with anything other than the official site addresses as they don't work, he really does need to be in on this thread. At 01:23 PM 4/18/2013, you wrote: > Hi Dark, > > You know, that is one of the reasons I'm reluctant to squeeze the $75 > out of my bank account to get this pack of games and software. I would > be paying that money, money I don't really have to spend right now, on > games that will never be upgraded and supported after I pay for them. > That really wouldn't be a wise investment in the long term because > there is no way to insure that when Microsoft moves to their yearly > updates, which could begin as soon as next year, that these games will > remain compatible with Windows versions newer than Windows 8. Its > really a short term solution for a long term problem. > > It would be better if Justin would license the source to a third-party > developer who could maintain the existing games, upgrade them if > necessary, and even have the ability to port them to other platforms > like Mac OS and iOS which are beginning to be new markets for audio > game developers. It just seems to me that Justin is going about this > all wrong, and sooner or later weather or not I pay the money I'm > going to end up with something I can't use over the long term. > > Cheers! > > > On 4/17/13, dark wrote: > > I'm sad to hear this myself, i've had lots of fun playing troopanum, pipe, > > hunter etc. > > > > One thing I do wonder however is how people will get the games and unlock > > codes in the future if blind software is closing down, since it'd be dire if > > > > future people coming to audiogmaes.net couldnt' play the games at all even > > with installing vb6 libraries etc. > > > > Beware the Grue! > > > > dark. > > > > > > --- > > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games. Who will own them?
well I won't charge those that have legally brought the products, for those that want to play them later that havn't well. If anything good can come from this it is that the majority of gamers have at least 1 of the bsc titles. At 11:28 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: Hi Charles, Well, unless explicitly notified otherwise even when Blindsoftware.com, AKA Justin, retains full copyright and ownership of all software, sounds, music, etc contained in the software package. Even if he abandons them and gives this key generator away for $75 that does not entitle anyone else to ownership of the games either. However, since people did legally purchase the key generator for $75 I believe they legally can charge to generate keys since they are actually selling a service not the software itself. Does that make sense? Perhaps a similar concept is how Linux developers often make their money. Since Linux is free and open source the software can be downloaded for free. However, since the people who maintain the software need to make money they sell their services such as phone or e-mail support, sell their services as onsite support, whatever. They aren't selling you any software but their services. The same idea applies here. The people generating the keys aren't selling you the software only the service of creating new keys for your computer. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wrote: > To those of you who have gotten games from BSC Games: Read the license > agreement. Who owns these products? Question: After their doors close, > who will own them? We have purchased the right to use what BSC still > retains the ownership of. I'm thinking, maybe wrongly, that BSC will be > abandoning their software. If, as Justin has said, that the doors are > closing "for ever", I would think that after, and not before, that time, the > sharing of keys for those abandoned products, as well as those abandoned > products themselves, would be OK. However, the selling of such products and > keys would not be legal. They would become freeware. This is only > speculation on the part of someone who is by no means a "legal eagle". > > -- > If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling > errors! > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
nOw charles what a grilliant idea and a version of the hobbit as well. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: "Charles Rivard" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Agreed. A lot of the ignorance about the Narnia books, Harry Potter, whatever else comes down to the fact the people who say they are satanic etc have never read them or watched the movies. They are going by whatever someone else said which is sad. Anyway, there are some Narnia games out there, but I don't know of any designed for a blind gamer of course. The one my son plays is a Flash based game and can be played online and isn't accessible to us. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wrote: Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons
I'd be happy to buy upgraded versions. I guess by keeping the source there is always the possibility that he will be back and is taking an extended vacation he just doesn't want to be tied to the company for the moment which with his life going the way it is is fair. At 11:07 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: Hi Hayden, Actually, not so crazy if you think about it. Yes, the key generator will work for all the currently existing games, but what if Justin decided to rewrite all of his software in VB .NET or C# .NET and sell them as upgrades with new keys. Then, coming back and starting up the business, should he ever do such a thing, wouldn't be as crazy as you make it out to be since I am sure people, myself included, would be willing to pay for newer .NET enabled versions of the games. Cheers! On 4/18/13, hayden presley wrote: > Not to mention the factthat he is giving us a key generator program. How > ludicrous would it be if he reopened but everybody was able to generate > keys regardless? > > Best Regards, > Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Somewhat hilariously, I'd say he's made things difficult for himself with that spammy style of email. If it'd been as straight forward as "folks, the company is shutting up shop because of this that and the other on this date in May, but you can grab our key generator for $75 and keep your existing titles alive after we're gone", I think there'd be 75% less griping going on here. Way to shoot yourself in the foot Mr D! Just a thought. It probably won't even make a dent. Scott On 4/19/13, Charles Rivard wrote: > Here is the complete Email that I was sent. While it doesn't list > everything that was produced, I think most are mentioned. It also is what > Justin is going to be doing, what he is offering, and why: > > of high intention, sincere effort, > intelligent direction, and skillful execution!" > > > - Original Message - > From: Justin Daubenmire from BlindSoftware.com > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:37 > Subject: BlindSoftware.com is closing forever! > > > BlindSoftware.com - your place on the net for software for the blind and > visually impaired. > > supp...@blindsoftware.com > > Thursday, April 18, 2013 > > > > It is Justin Daubenmire, founder of BlindSoftware.com. I hope this email > finds you well. I'm sending you this email because you either signed up for > > my newsletter a while ago or you recently purchased a program from my > website. I have some good news that I wanted to share with you so get > ready! > > Over the next month, I am going to be closing BlindSoftware.com forever. > That's right, forever. And you are thinking. and that is good news? > Actually, yes it is. keep reading! > > When I opened up BlindSoftware.com back in 2001 , I was 28 years old and > single. Today, I am 40 years old, married, and have 4 children all under the > > age of 11! So what exactly does that mean? Well, not only am I blind, but > being a father of 4 lovely children (and a dog) has also caused me to go > bald! The joke in my home is that dad is bald and beautiful! Lol. > > Simply put, now that I am a father and husband I just do not have enough > time to devote to the company anymore so I am going to close it. However, > before I close the doors on it, I wanted to contact you with a very special > > offer that I think you will appreciate. > > The software that I currently offer through BlindSoftware.com includes: > > Games > a.. Classic Pipe - a $24.95 value > b.. Classic Troopanum - a $24.95 value > c.. Troopanum in Spanish - a $24.95 value > d.. Hunter - a $34.95 value > e.. Blast Chamber - a $34.95 value > f.. Troopanum 2.0 - a $34.95 value > g.. Word Strain Volume 1 - a $14.99 value > h.. Word Strain Volume 2 - a $14.99 value > Ok, as if that isn't enough. here are more programs (not games) that I offer > > on the site too: > > a.. Day By Day Professional Calendar/Appointment/reminder program - a > $29.99 value > b.. BSC Talking Clock and reminder program - a $19.99 value > c.. Pulse MP3 player - a $14.99 value > Wow. that is a ton of games and software if I might say so myself! > Collectively, if you were to purchase every single program I just listed, it > > would cost you a hefty $285 (including tax). But, I am not in this to get > wealthy. I make my living as a computer programmer working for a large > corporation in the United States. So, before I close BlindSoftware.com > forever, I want to help you have all these programs for your personal > enjoyment and entertainment. > > So, I'm not going to ask $285 of you - In fact, I think you'll be pleasantly > > surprised to find that I'm not even going to go anywhere NEAR that. > > By taking action today, you can get all of this. everything mentioned above > > for the low, one time investment > > of only. > > $200.no - $150.no - $100. no - $90. no - $75. Yes, that's right. If you > order today, you will be guaranteed the incredibly low one time price of > just $75 for all of the games and programs offered on BlindSoftware.com. > > *** Free Bonuses (valued at over $85 *** > > When you make the smart decision to grab your own copy of all the > BlindSoftware.com programs, you'll also receive these Thank You gifts, > valued at over $85. > > Your bonuses include. > > Free Bonus # 1 > Value $57 > > BSC Unlock Code Generator Program: Create Your Own Unlock Codes > > This powerful program will allow you to generate your own unlock codes for > all of the games and programs that you purchase. Even though the > BlindSoftware.com company is closing down forever, you can use this program > > to continue to create your own unlock codes. So your computer dies and you > get a new one? No problem, use the BSC unlock code generator program to > create your own new unlock codes for all the games and programs. You had to > > format your hard drive? No problem, use the BSC unlock code generator > program to create your own new unlock codes for all the games and programs. > > Want to install all the games and programs on more than one
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
What I would like would be able to buy the products I want, at a reduced price of BSC's choice, and, if I want, including the program that generates unlock codes. Actually, personally, the only product I would probably order would be the key generator. I'm not sure that I would pay $75 for it. I'd have to think about it. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "hayden presley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. I'm going to agree with you, Charles, and add something else. TO expect Justi to page down years worth of records, figure ou exactly which games they have bought, then create separate Keygens and eMail them all separately is utterly and totally absurd. Then I suppose you'd be wanting separate charges per person for how many products they'd bought? A separate keygen for each remaining product? Jst be happy that all you have to pay is $75 for not only over 10 pieces of software once, but the means to create and recreate keys for these programs. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:58 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Time and work were spent on making a game. More time and effort were used to create a program that generated the game's unlock key. That program would also generate unlock codes for other software. You spent money on a game. Why should you get the program, which was created separately, that generates unlock keys, without paying something for it? The voiced objection is that we should not have to pay for something we have already bought. We have not bought the key generator. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "michael barnes" To: Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. The thing is if he was giving all of the software that he had made instead of some of the software, then I could see the point of buying the whole package. However when he had decided to close his doors, he should have worked on key gens for the different software. Then he should have sent out copies to everyone who had paid. For exsample since I had paid for some of the games, then he should have sent me key gens for those games at no cost. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
There is something that I thought of while reading through this thread. Everybody seems to be hung up on spending all this money for something that's been done in the past, but what about an future? How long do you think you will enjoy this after you have bought the key generator? I think about one month to four months at the most. That is just me though. Sent from Wil's iPhone 4S -- E-mail or iMessage: w...@wilanddenise.com Twitter: wiljames zellow: wilcjames On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: > Yes, the key generator is easily worth several times $75. > > Consider that this app alone is essentially the heart of the business in that > it ensures security and protects Justin's livelihood while the business > exists. > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > Follow me on Twitter! > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote: > > At this point, I guess the only question that remains to be asked is: > Is the key generator alone worth $75? > > On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wrote: >> Time and work were spent on making a game. More time and effort were used >> to create a program that generated the game's unlock key. That program >> would also generate unlock codes for other software. >> >> You spent money on a game. Why should you get the program, which was >> created separately, that generates unlock keys, without paying something for >> >> it? >> >> The voiced objection is that we should not have to pay for something we have >> >> already bought. We have not bought the key generator. >> >> -- >> If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling >> errors! >> - Original Message - >> From: "michael barnes" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. >> >> >>> The thing is if he was giving all of the software that he had made instead >>> >>> of some of the software, then I could see the point of buying the whole >>> package. >>> However when he had decided to close his doors, he should have worked on >>> key gens for the different software. >>> Then he should have sent out copies to everyone who had paid. >>> For exsample since I had paid for some of the games, then he should have >>> sent me key gens for those games at no cost. >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >>> list, >>> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Yes, the key generator is easily worth several times $75. Consider that this app alone is essentially the heart of the business in that it ensures security and protects Justin's livelihood while the business exists. Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote: At this point, I guess the only question that remains to be asked is: Is the key generator alone worth $75? On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wrote: > Time and work were spent on making a game. More time and effort were used > to create a program that generated the game's unlock key. That program > would also generate unlock codes for other software. > > You spent money on a game. Why should you get the program, which was > created separately, that generates unlock keys, without paying something for > > it? > > The voiced objection is that we should not have to pay for something we have > > already bought. We have not bought the key generator. > > -- > If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling > errors! > - Original Message - > From: "michael barnes" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. > > >> The thing is if he was giving all of the software that he had made instead >> >> of some of the software, then I could see the point of buying the whole >> package. >> However when he had decided to close his doors, he should have worked on >> key gens for the different software. >> Then he should have sent out copies to everyone who had paid. >> For exsample since I had paid for some of the games, then he should have >> sent me key gens for those games at no cost. >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Thank you Charles! Hear here! Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: Time and work were spent on making a game. More time and effort were used to create a program that generated the game's unlock key. That program would also generate unlock codes for other software. You spent money on a game. Why should you get the program, which was created separately, that generates unlock keys, without paying something for it? The voiced objection is that we should not have to pay for something we have already bought. We have not bought the key generator. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "michael barnes" To: Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. > The thing is if he was giving all of the software that he had made instead of > some of the software, then I could see the point of buying the whole package. > However when he had decided to close his doors, he should have worked on key > gens for the different software. > Then he should have sent out copies to everyone who had paid. > For exsample since I had paid for some of the games, then he should have sent > me key gens for those games at no cost. > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Here is the complete Email that I was sent. While it doesn't list everything that was produced, I think most are mentioned. It also is what Justin is going to be doing, what he is offering, and why: of high intention, sincere effort, intelligent direction, and skillful execution!" - Original Message - From: Justin Daubenmire from BlindSoftware.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:37 Subject: BlindSoftware.com is closing forever! BlindSoftware.com - your place on the net for software for the blind and visually impaired. supp...@blindsoftware.com Thursday, April 18, 2013 It is Justin Daubenmire, founder of BlindSoftware.com. I hope this email finds you well. I'm sending you this email because you either signed up for my newsletter a while ago or you recently purchased a program from my website. I have some good news that I wanted to share with you so get ready! Over the next month, I am going to be closing BlindSoftware.com forever. That's right, forever. And you are thinking. and that is good news? Actually, yes it is. keep reading! When I opened up BlindSoftware.com back in 2001 , I was 28 years old and single. Today, I am 40 years old, married, and have 4 children all under the age of 11! So what exactly does that mean? Well, not only am I blind, but being a father of 4 lovely children (and a dog) has also caused me to go bald! The joke in my home is that dad is bald and beautiful! Lol. Simply put, now that I am a father and husband I just do not have enough time to devote to the company anymore so I am going to close it. However, before I close the doors on it, I wanted to contact you with a very special offer that I think you will appreciate. The software that I currently offer through BlindSoftware.com includes: Games a.. Classic Pipe - a $24.95 value b.. Classic Troopanum - a $24.95 value c.. Troopanum in Spanish - a $24.95 value d.. Hunter - a $34.95 value e.. Blast Chamber - a $34.95 value f.. Troopanum 2.0 - a $34.95 value g.. Word Strain Volume 1 - a $14.99 value h.. Word Strain Volume 2 - a $14.99 value Ok, as if that isn't enough. here are more programs (not games) that I offer on the site too: a.. Day By Day Professional Calendar/Appointment/reminder program - a $29.99 value b.. BSC Talking Clock and reminder program - a $19.99 value c.. Pulse MP3 player - a $14.99 value Wow. that is a ton of games and software if I might say so myself! Collectively, if you were to purchase every single program I just listed, it would cost you a hefty $285 (including tax). But, I am not in this to get wealthy. I make my living as a computer programmer working for a large corporation in the United States. So, before I close BlindSoftware.com forever, I want to help you have all these programs for your personal enjoyment and entertainment. So, I'm not going to ask $285 of you - In fact, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised to find that I'm not even going to go anywhere NEAR that. By taking action today, you can get all of this. everything mentioned above for the low, one time investment of only. $200.no - $150.no - $100. no - $90. no - $75. Yes, that's right. If you order today, you will be guaranteed the incredibly low one time price of just $75 for all of the games and programs offered on BlindSoftware.com. *** Free Bonuses (valued at over $85 *** When you make the smart decision to grab your own copy of all the BlindSoftware.com programs, you'll also receive these Thank You gifts, valued at over $85. Your bonuses include. Free Bonus # 1 Value $57 BSC Unlock Code Generator Program: Create Your Own Unlock Codes This powerful program will allow you to generate your own unlock codes for all of the games and programs that you purchase. Even though the BlindSoftware.com company is closing down forever, you can use this program to continue to create your own unlock codes. So your computer dies and you get a new one? No problem, use the BSC unlock code generator program to create your own new unlock codes for all the games and programs. You had to format your hard drive? No problem, use the BSC unlock code generator program to create your own new unlock codes for all the games and programs. Want to install all the games and programs on more than one computer that you own? No problem, create your unlock codes for the other computer, register the games and programs on the other computer, and enjoy hours of entertainment and fun. Free Bonus # 2 Value $15 Enjoy 5 more computer games. a.. Bobby's Christmas b.. Crazy Darts c.. Deekout d.. Finger Panic e.. Sonic Match Free Bonus # 3 Value $15 Enjoy four more programs. a.. Funk in the Trunk MP3 player b.. Cookie Muncher c.. Internet Alarm Clock d.. Sweet Midi It's all here, waiting for YOU. "This Is A Limited Time Offer." On May 15, 2013 I will be closing Blindsoftware.com forever. Once the company is closed, you will no longer be able to download or purch
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games. Who will own them?
You might want to ask Tom about that, because he got nailed on copy right. Had to change the name on a game because even though not in current use, it was still copy written. At 05:53 PM 4/18/2013, you wrote: To those of you who have gotten games from BSC Games: Read the license agreement. Who owns these products? Question: After their doors close, who will own them? We have purchased the right to use what BSC still retains the ownership of. I'm thinking, maybe wrongly, that BSC will be abandoning their software. If, as Justin has said, that the doors are closing "for ever", I would think that after, and not before, that time, the sharing of keys for those abandoned products, as well as those abandoned products themselves, would be OK. However, the selling of such products and keys would not be legal. They would become freeware. This is only speculation on the part of someone who is by no means a "legal eagle". -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons
True, Thomas, but the Justi would have to write some sort of major upgrade to the game. Otherwise I promise you there'd hardly be a rush to replace their existing product with a nonregistered one. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:08 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons Hi Hayden, Actually, not so crazy if you think about it. Yes, the key generator will work for all the currently existing games, but what if Justin decided to rewrite all of his software in VB .NET or C# .NET and sell them as upgrades with new keys. Then, coming back and starting up the business, should he ever do such a thing, wouldn't be as crazy as you make it out to be since I am sure people, myself included, would be willing to pay for newer .NET enabled versions of the games. Cheers! On 4/18/13, hayden presley wrote: > Not to mention the factthat he is giving us a key generator program. > How ludicrous would it be if he reopened but everybody was able to > generate keys regardless? > > Best Regards, > Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
I'm going to agree with you, Charles, and add something else. TO expect Justi to page down years worth of records, figure ou exactly which games they have bought, then create separate Keygens and eMail them all separately is utterly and totally absurd. Then I suppose you'd be wanting separate charges per person for how many products they'd bought? A separate keygen for each remaining product? Jst be happy that all you have to pay is $75 for not only over 10 pieces of software once, but the means to create and recreate keys for these programs. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:58 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Time and work were spent on making a game. More time and effort were used to create a program that generated the game's unlock key. That program would also generate unlock codes for other software. You spent money on a game. Why should you get the program, which was created separately, that generates unlock keys, without paying something for it? The voiced objection is that we should not have to pay for something we have already bought. We have not bought the key generator. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "michael barnes" To: Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. > The thing is if he was giving all of the software that he had made > instead of some of the software, then I could see the point of buying > the whole package. > However when he had decided to close his doors, he should have worked > on key gens for the different software. > Then he should have sent out copies to everyone who had paid. > For exsample since I had paid for some of the games, then he should > have sent me key gens for those games at no cost. > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the > list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Agreed. A lot of the ignorance about the Narnia books, Harry Potter, whatever else comes down to the fact the people who say they are satanic etc have never read them or watched the movies. They are going by whatever someone else said which is sad. Anyway, there are some Narnia games out there, but I don't know of any designed for a blind gamer of course. The one my son plays is a Flash based game and can be played online and isn't accessible to us. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wrote: Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Thomas, in this case though, If one spends the $75 you get the benefit of having even just a single game on as many systems as you choose for as long as the games are playable. -Not even mentioning the other titles… So even this would surely balance out the price tag. Yes? Thanks, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 18, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, Oh, I think most of us understand what Justin is doing and why. At least I certainly do. I know that there is one key generator that does it all, and of course that appears to be the source of the disagreement here. For example, I purchased Troopenum II a long time ago when the game first came out. Let's say all I want is a key generator for that one specific game. I don't care about Pipe II, Classic Troopenum, Hunter, or any of the other software in the package. Well, in order to play that particular game I am paying $75 worth of software I don't want just to license the game I already own. This is I think the main reason people are upset because maybe they only want to license certain things rather than having a master key generator that can license everything. Of course, I realize as you do that he doesn't have key generators for each application, and doesn't want to take the time writing them so chose to do an all in one deal. It makes sense to me, but it doesn't mean everyone has to like it. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Draconis wrote: > > Justin should've just sold the key generator for $75. It would have had the > same exact result, and you all would be able to grasp what he's doing. > > The key generator creates keys for *all* *of* *the* *titles.* > > He either sells them all, or he doesn't sell the generator at all. It's that > simple, folks. > > So you're either saying you want him to create a ton of new generators, or > you want him to just shut down and offer nothing. > > Anyway, I'll leave you to it and exit this thread. There's no way Justin > could have possibly made everyone happy, and no one wants to take the time > to actually consider why he's doing what he's doing and the logistics > involved. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
You're forgetting Finger Panic, and the Spanish vesion of Troopanum Classic (although I suppose you'd count that as Classic Troopanum). One thing I'd like to see, although it most certainly won' be happening, is a continuation of a scoreboard server. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:54 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing Let's see. Classic Pipe and Pipe 2, Blast Chamber; Troopanum 1 and 2; Hunter; Word Strain Vols. 1 and 2; Crazy Darts; and Sonic Match. I think that's it, although maybe Bobby's Revenge and the original Deakout fall under that umbrella as well, but don't quote me on that. On 4/18/13, michael barnes wrote: > Can someone give me a list of all the games that Justin has made? > Thanks! > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the > list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Hi Michael, Off the top of my head Pipe Classic, Pipe Blast Chamber, Troopenum Classic, Troopenum II, Hunter, Crazy Darts, Deekout, Bobby's Revenge, Chopper Patrol, a word game, and maybe one or two other freebies. Cheers! On 4/18/13, michael barnes wrote: > Can someone give me a list of all the games that Justin has made? > Thanks! > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
That's why I figure that some religious zealots don't even read what they try to raise Cain about, which only makes them out to be stupid. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Shaun, If you are talking about the Narnia books, games, and movies the answer is yes. C. S. Louis was a Christian, and according to his own commentary about the books he wanted to introduce children to bible concepts through fictional stories about animals and children. As a result that is why in the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe Azlan is sacrificed and resurrects from the dead which was obviously meant to represent Christ's death and resurrection. In the Magicians Nephew the creation of Narnia takes on the format of the biblical creation. There are other examples, but by and large the Narnia books, though fantasy, are loosely based on the bible in their own way. Cheers! On 4/18/13, shaun everiss wrote: I thought they had some bible type things as their base though I have never really cared for fantasy as a whole genre myself adventure scifi and a few other humourous things are what I go for. Some fantasy loops round you know who must die you know who everything is, its not my type of thing. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Let's see. Classic Pipe and Pipe 2, Blast Chamber; Troopanum 1 and 2; Hunter; Word Strain Vols. 1 and 2; Crazy Darts; and Sonic Match. I think that's it, although maybe Bobby's Revenge and the original Deakout fall under that umbrella as well, but don't quote me on that. On 4/18/13, michael barnes wrote: > Can someone give me a list of all the games that Justin has made? > Thanks! > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions…
Not to steal some of Josh's fire here :) but again, this touches on my point as well. While I personally would like to see these games stay supported for the community, I have to wonder, what in the world many people here expect of developers? Why is it right to treat Justin with such negativity? This is the sort of thing I'm getting at. Can we not offer positive support and suggestion here rather than constant and obnoxious criticism and derision? Why would anyone want to be involved with a community of insistent nay-sayers when all we need do is approach this another way? For myself, rather than argue and complain, I searched out Justin's email address, first by asking people and then, when that failed, I kept looking on my own and finally I found it. I contacted him and politely / positively brought up the consideration of selling the company or rights to the games so that they can continue to be supported. I don't even play Windows games. I did this for this community… This is what I'm suggesting when I mention getting involved. Rather than complain, take initiative for ourselves, and do something positive. Even if it's only a little thing but make a situation better not worse. Just do the best you can… -Make sense?… Thanks, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Bryan Peterson wrote: We're still basically having to purchase them again as well as other products not everybody's going to be interested in. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:35 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… You could only say you're being forced to re-purchase products you already own if he was charging the full price…but he isn't. Not even close. You're effectively getting the majority of the products for free. But regardless, I've said my piece. I didn't expect many to agree with me. Carry on. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Bryan Peterson wrote: > A little. It's one thing to offer the games and other programs he's written > at ridiculously reduced prices. But it's quite another to basically force > those who've already purchased said titles to basically purchase them again, > as well as programs they may not necessarily want just so that they can get > the code generator in order to keep playing their favorite titles on new > machines. I myself would happily pay, if I could be assured of getting only > those titles that I wanted, those being the code generator and possibly > Day-by-Day Professional, because I already purchased the five major titles. > It's not the fact that we have to pay that's got most of us upset so much as > the fact that we're having to repurchase titles we purchased years ago on top > of any new products we might want. > > > > But thou must! > -Original Message- From: Draconis > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:10 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… > > Hi all, > > BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern > platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the > industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. > > I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments > being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants > something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin > put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released > anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its > detriment. > > Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return > to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. > Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent > developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have > no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a > thought to their creator. > > Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo > allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario > Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the > Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. > > Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the > right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their > gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the > hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. > > Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like > me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. >
Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Can someone give me a list of all the games that Justin has made? Thanks! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Hi Desiree, That is really a personal call. If you want all the games and the other software the key generator is a steel for $75. However, if you are only buying it for one or two games then its probably not as valuable considering you aren't using everything you paid for. :D Cheers! On 4/18/13, Desiree Oudinot wrote: > At this point, I guess the only question that remains to be asked is: > Is the key generator alone worth $75? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions…
Very true. I spent quite a lot of time playing Classic Pipe when I bought it. On 4/18/13, Bryan Peterson wrote: > He definitely put out some great titles. WOuld've been nice to see more but > there you are. > > > > But thou must! > -Original Message- > From: blindle...@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:22 PM > To: gamers@audyssey.org > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… > > i agree i also want to thank juston for all the software he has put out > and i want to wish him nothing but the best in what ever he will do in the > future . > > your friend lee > > > In a message dated 4/18/2013 3:11:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > i...@dracoent.com writes: > > Hi all, > > BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern > platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the > industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. > > I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments > being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants > something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that > Justin > put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has > released > anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its > detriment. > > Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to > return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids > are > grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he > spent > developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I > have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games > without > a thought to their creator. > > Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should > Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old > Super > Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star > Trek > the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. > > Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the > right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before > their > gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for > the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. > > Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers > like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
At this point, I guess the only question that remains to be asked is: Is the key generator alone worth $75? On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wrote: > Time and work were spent on making a game. More time and effort were used > to create a program that generated the game's unlock key. That program > would also generate unlock codes for other software. > > You spent money on a game. Why should you get the program, which was > created separately, that generates unlock keys, without paying something for > > it? > > The voiced objection is that we should not have to pay for something we have > > already bought. We have not bought the key generator. > > -- > If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling > errors! > - Original Message - > From: "michael barnes" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. > > >> The thing is if he was giving all of the software that he had made instead >> >> of some of the software, then I could see the point of buying the whole >> package. >> However when he had decided to close his doors, he should have worked on >> key gens for the different software. >> Then he should have sent out copies to everyone who had paid. >> For exsample since I had paid for some of the games, then he should have >> sent me key gens for those games at no cost. >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Hi Dallas, That's definitely a good point you raised. Most of this community is very slow to change, and right now even though Windows 8 is the new OS most people are still using XP. With Windows 8 having almost 10 years of support left any real compatibility issues are still way down the road yet. Since I upgrade much more often than the community as a whole I will obviously be effected before most. However, for a lot of the users worrying over compatibility right now really isn't an issue. As you say in 10 years I would think there will be more games to play and perhaps much better to concern ourselves with than these games. Plus with BGT if someone had the sounds and music it would not be a huge deal to create something like Troopenum. Troopenum Classic and Troopenum II are all pretty easy games to program. Just give me the sounds and I probably could do it relatively quickly. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Dallas O'Brien wrote: > just a note to shaun and others about the programs maybe or maybe not > supported in times to come. firstly, windows 7 has at least another 7 > years of life left, and windows 8 has just over 9 and a half years > left, before they are removed from the computing world, as xp will be > next year. so, in that alone, these games are supported for at least > another 10 years, basicly speaking. and not to be funny, but by then, > i would hope we have had some new games come along, to move us on from > older games. even as 32 bit programs, that does not mean they won't be > usable, any time soon. most of the programs we use today, are still 32 > bit. so that won't be a problem. > obviously, the newer versions of windows to come, may or may not have > support. but to be completely honest, most people are still dragging > their heals, and using xp. so i very much dout that more modern > versions of windows will have caught on with most of this community, > within that time frame. > there, are, of course, some of us, like myself, that actually end up > using newer versions of operating systems, long before they even hit > the mainstream user base. so of course, we are concerned about that > side of things. but for most of the users, that won't be a problem. > anyways, still thinking about if i should buy it myself, or wait till > somebody uploads it or something. not sure which way to go. lol. > Dallas > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
I've even heard Lord of the Rings had some biblical elements in it, at least as far as some of te ordealsFrodo had to go through. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Shaun, If you are talking about the Narnia books, games, and movies the answer is yes. C. S. Louis was a Christian, and according to his own commentary about the books he wanted to introduce children to bible concepts through fictional stories about animals and children. As a result that is why in the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe Azlan is sacrificed and resurrects from the dead which was obviously meant to represent Christ's death and resurrection. In the Magicians Nephew the creation of Narnia takes on the format of the biblical creation. There are other examples, but by and large the Narnia books, though fantasy, are loosely based on the bible in their own way. Cheers! On 4/18/13, shaun everiss wrote: I thought they had some bible type things as their base though I have never really cared for fantasy as a whole genre myself adventure scifi and a few other humourous things are what I go for. Some fantasy loops round you know who must die you know who everything is, its not my type of thing. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Siber Assault
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Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi Charles, Agreed. A lot of the ignorance about the Narnia books, Harry Potter, whatever else comes down to the fact the people who say they are satanic etc have never read them or watched the movies. They are going by whatever someone else said which is sad. Anyway, there are some Narnia games out there, but I don't know of any designed for a blind gamer of course. The one my son plays is a Flash based game and can be played online and isn't accessible to us. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wrote: > Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian > > have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do > with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches > > and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand > > knowledge. > > As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable > > by the blind gamer. > > -- > If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling > errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi Shaun, If you are talking about the Narnia books, games, and movies the answer is yes. C. S. Louis was a Christian, and according to his own commentary about the books he wanted to introduce children to bible concepts through fictional stories about animals and children. As a result that is why in the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe Azlan is sacrificed and resurrects from the dead which was obviously meant to represent Christ's death and resurrection. In the Magicians Nephew the creation of Narnia takes on the format of the biblical creation. There are other examples, but by and large the Narnia books, though fantasy, are loosely based on the bible in their own way. Cheers! On 4/18/13, shaun everiss wrote: > I thought they had some bible type things as their base though I have > never really cared for fantasy as a whole genre myself adventure > scifi and a few other humourous things are what I go for. > Some fantasy loops round you know who must die you know who > everything is, its not my type of thing. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
HI shaun, the site contact page should be up now. I tried contacting Justin yesterday afternoon about purchasing the company or the rights to the software and the send failed. I then emailed him and did get a response letting me know that he did repair the site contact area and that he'd already been contacted by interested parties about licensing but that there were no serious offers. I'll let the list know if he does get back with me. thanks, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 17, 2013, at 9:51 PM, shaun everiss wrote: thats true, now if only there is a way to contact him about this with anything other than the official site addresses as they don't work, he really does need to be in on this thread. At 01:23 PM 4/18/2013, you wrote: > Hi Dark, > > You know, that is one of the reasons I'm reluctant to squeeze the $75 > out of my bank account to get this pack of games and software. I would > be paying that money, money I don't really have to spend right now, on > games that will never be upgraded and supported after I pay for them. > That really wouldn't be a wise investment in the long term because > there is no way to insure that when Microsoft moves to their yearly > updates, which could begin as soon as next year, that these games will > remain compatible with Windows versions newer than Windows 8. Its > really a short term solution for a long term problem. > > It would be better if Justin would license the source to a third-party > developer who could maintain the existing games, upgrade them if > necessary, and even have the ability to port them to other platforms > like Mac OS and iOS which are beginning to be new markets for audio > game developers. It just seems to me that Justin is going about this > all wrong, and sooner or later weather or not I pay the money I'm > going to end up with something I can't use over the long term. > > Cheers! > > > On 4/17/13, dark wrote: > > I'm sad to hear this myself, i've had lots of fun playing troopanum, pipe, > > hunter etc. > > > > One thing I do wonder however is how people will get the games and unlock > > codes in the future if blind software is closing down, since it'd be dire if > > > > future people coming to audiogmaes.net couldnt' play the games at all even > > with installing vb6 libraries etc. > > > > Beware the Grue! > > > > dark. > > > > > > --- > > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games. Who will own them?
Makes sense. Thanks. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games. Who will own them? Hi Charles, Well, unless explicitly notified otherwise even when Blindsoftware.com, AKA Justin, retains full copyright and ownership of all software, sounds, music, etc contained in the software package. Even if he abandons them and gives this key generator away for $75 that does not entitle anyone else to ownership of the games either. However, since people did legally purchase the key generator for $75 I believe they legally can charge to generate keys since they are actually selling a service not the software itself. Does that make sense? Perhaps a similar concept is how Linux developers often make their money. Since Linux is free and open source the software can be downloaded for free. However, since the people who maintain the software need to make money they sell their services such as phone or e-mail support, sell their services as onsite support, whatever. They aren't selling you any software but their services. The same idea applies here. The people generating the keys aren't selling you the software only the service of creating new keys for your computer. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wrote: To those of you who have gotten games from BSC Games: Read the license agreement. Who owns these products? Question: After their doors close, who will own them? We have purchased the right to use what BSC still retains the ownership of. I'm thinking, maybe wrongly, that BSC will be abandoning their software. If, as Justin has said, that the doors are closing "for ever", I would think that after, and not before, that time, the sharing of keys for those abandoned products, as well as those abandoned products themselves, would be OK. However, the selling of such products and keys would not be legal. They would become freeware. This is only speculation on the part of someone who is by no means a "legal eagle". -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi Dark, Interesting point. I do think a content advisory rather than an age rating seems like a better way to go about it. Especially, since everyone's views are different on what is and isn't appropriate content. For example, remember our conversation a few months ago on Audiogames.net about offensive language. Not everyone feels the same way about cussing and swearing, and what might be considered a bad word in one family might be considered OK in another. So rather than saying a game is rated Teen or Mature based on language it might be better to say that this game may contain offensive language and be done with it. Specifically tell parents and guardians what they may or may not find offensive before letting their child download or buy it. Cheers! On 4/18/13, dark wrote: > Hi Tom. > > Also I've noticed a massive gender bias. Violence or torment of a man is > seen as far more acceptable than the same thing of a woman or a child (and > lets not even get into the subject s/xual violence against men), a great > example of this is the film kickass, which features the super hero hit girl > > who is a 12 year old girl who guns people down, knives them, and laughs > about it often with lots of profane comments. That is sort of the point of > kickass, it's intended to disturb people's perceptions, and indeed lots of > crytics complained that hit girl's gender should be changed to male. > > Then again that is a debate for another day. > > Personally, while I agree with you cultural standards change, equally it > would help if short, advisery messages appeared on various media forms. > "shows torture" "shows blood" shows nudity", "shows crime" etc. That would > likely be far more helpful than existing age ratings which are often worked > > out on a very silly system, since that depends upon what is actually! shown > > in subject matter, and simply gives parents or guardians the choice. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Time and work were spent on making a game. More time and effort were used to create a program that generated the game's unlock key. That program would also generate unlock codes for other software. You spent money on a game. Why should you get the program, which was created separately, that generates unlock keys, without paying something for it? The voiced objection is that we should not have to pay for something we have already bought. We have not bought the key generator. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "michael barnes" To: Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. The thing is if he was giving all of the software that he had made instead of some of the software, then I could see the point of buying the whole package. However when he had decided to close his doors, he should have worked on key gens for the different software. Then he should have sent out copies to everyone who had paid. For exsample since I had paid for some of the games, then he should have sent me key gens for those games at no cost. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
HI Dark, Ah, well, there in lies the rub. There are people who must inflict their views or beliefs on everyone regardless if they share their views or not. The simplest solution is to simply not watch a movie or play a game they find personally offensive. However, for some of the right wing fundamentalist groups in this country it is their way or no way, and the courts are filled with cases where some right wing fundamentalist group or other took someone to court over a religious issue that was by and large a secular matter. Anyway, this is getting away from the issue of children's games so I'd like to steer things back onto topic now. Talking about religious debates is interesting, but not what this list is about. :D Cheers! On 4/18/13, dark wrote: > Hi tom. > > Well in terms of the views of religious fundamentalists, I do know tv > stations such as scifi have started announcing programs that contain magic. > > To me this seems insane, and indeed most christians I encounter in Britain > wouldn't hold such a view (I think the christians in Americ on average are > far more extreme than what we see over hear), as compared to showing a child > > torture or s/xually explicite stuff, but again, simply a warning would do on > > this front. > > After all, if people don't want to watch something, they are quite free not > > to so long as they know what it contains first. > > As you said yourself the majority of this is fairly common sense, for > instance if one of these magic hating loony christians saw sarah or even > Aprone's game daytona they would obviously know it contained magic elements > > and could choose not to play if they so desired. > > what bothers me with such people is they try and inflict their views on > everybody else! > > I am not personally comfortable with explicite adult material, and have > therefore never played any of jim's adult games or text adventures like > leather goddesses, but it would be totally wrong of me based pon that > discomfort to remove such games from the audiogames.net db, or reffuse to > create entries for them, though i do! make sure they are all of the > appropriately adult genre so that anyone who downloads them knows what they > > are before hand and has an informed choice, indeed this is very mch the sort > > of system i'd advise, giving information without restriction and letting > people make their own choice, or letting parents make the choice for kids > who aren't responsable to. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
I know I said I was done, but have to address one more thing… Seriously folks…this conversation has devolved to trying to say that the $75 is wasted when Microsoft inevitably upgrades beyond the point where the games will run In that case, why ever buy any game ever? It won't run someday…it's just a matter of time. That aside, the games work through Windows 7 as far as I am aware…perhaps Windows 8. How many of you are still on Windows XP? Just because Microsoft stops supporting some of this stuff, doesn't mean you're all running out and getting a new computer. The visually impaired community only moves on to the next version of the OS begrudgingly, and usually long after much of the mainstream world has moved on. This is a problem that won't effect most of you for another 5 to 10 years or more if the community's past tendencies don't change radically. Are you seriously saying that $75 is too much to pay for a decades worth of continued enjoyment? Just trying to put this thing into perspective. Saying that the $75 is "straight down the toilet" as Brian put it, if Microsoft's next Window sup date doesn't support these games, is hyperbole to the extreme. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Bryan Peterson wrote: > The problem is I think the wording in Justin's message may have confused most > of us, me included. But there's still te concern of what happens when > Microsoft advances tote point that the games no longer run on newer operating > systems. That's 75 bucks straight down the toilet. > > > > But thou must! > -Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:13 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. > > Hi Josh, FWIW I also read it that way. It's one key generator, and you > use it to generate keys for 1 or all titles. It doesn't mean you are > paying over for a title or 2 which you may have purchased years ago, but > for the ability to generate keys for your own personal use. > > To anyone else who is reading my message, I also think that those who > are offering to generate keys for $20 or whatever are taking advantage, > and I'm not sure how legal or ethical that really is, but it's expected > that this key generator will be pirated anyway, so I don't see why we > have to continue beating a dead horse on this topic. > > Also, while I'm sure the list owners like a lively discussion about > anything game related, there are some people who see things one way, and > others on the completely opposite view of it. So, to each his/her own, > right? > > PS, should I get royalties because it's my demo which is included in the > Pipe2 game? . > > -- > Raul A. Gallegos > I didn't slap you, I simply high fived your face. - Sheldon Cooper > Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 > > On 4/18/2013 3:36 PM, Draconis wrote: >> >> Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the >> different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, >> he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. >> >> But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL >> >> On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote: >> >>> Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? >>> The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one >>> down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of >>> system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they >>> were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to >>> assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only >>> two keygen programs would really need to be created. >>> I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the >>> games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. >>> Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. >>> They really are two separate entities. >>> >>> On 4/18/13, Draconis wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, "Bryan Peterson" wrote: > Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. > That's the whole point. > > > > But thou must! > -Original Message- From: Draconis > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. > > > Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games >>
Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
just a note to shaun and others about the programs maybe or maybe not supported in times to come. firstly, windows 7 has at least another 7 years of life left, and windows 8 has just over 9 and a half years left, before they are removed from the computing world, as xp will be next year. so, in that alone, these games are supported for at least another 10 years, basicly speaking. and not to be funny, but by then, i would hope we have had some new games come along, to move us on from older games. even as 32 bit programs, that does not mean they won't be usable, any time soon. most of the programs we use today, are still 32 bit. so that won't be a problem. obviously, the newer versions of windows to come, may or may not have support. but to be completely honest, most people are still dragging their heals, and using xp. so i very much dout that more modern versions of windows will have caught on with most of this community, within that time frame. there, are, of course, some of us, like myself, that actually end up using newer versions of operating systems, long before they even hit the mainstream user base. so of course, we are concerned about that side of things. but for most of the users, that won't be a problem. anyways, still thinking about if i should buy it myself, or wait till somebody uploads it or something. not sure which way to go. lol. Dallas On 18/04/2013, shaun everiss wrote: > hi kara. > well I do participate on list and to a limited extent on the forum. > I test whenever a project is given me, sometimes I give sounds if I have > them. > I am no programmer or writer but I do help where I can. > > At 06:07 PM 4/18/2013, you wrote: >>Prejudice comes from ignorance. >> >>Ignorance can be changed. >> >>change takes effort. >> >>Effort begins with initiative. >> >>Initiative starts with belief in one's self. >>Which is exactly what I'm suggesting here in >>regard to audio game development of all things. :) >> >>In order to make a developer or anyone for that >>matter, want to keep doing what they do, one >>needs to give something. In order to give >>something, one needs to feel they have it to give. This is belief. >> >>Rather than straying OT with this one, let me >>just suggest that I believe we can, as a >>community, help improve and legitimize the audio >>gaming niche if we become more a part of it and >>contribute. I not only mean this monetarily but also with involvement. >> >>Rather than being consumers, whom might simply >>wonder where the next game is coming from or why >>a game is now gone, perhaps get involved >>actively with developers, to assist them. Some >>people already do this. Also, others, like Dark >>and Thomas, moderate large communities of gamers and contribute that way. >> >>My point is just to say that if we can take more >>personal responsibility for this niche of ours, >>then we might find it growing more successful. >> >>It's just an idea, but I'd sure rather say it than wish I had. :) >> >>Thanks for reading and have an awesome night!… >> >>Smiles, >> >>Cara :) >>--- >>View my Online Portfolio at: >> >>http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn >> >>Follow me on Twitter! >> >>https://twitter.com/ModelCara >> >>On Apr 17, 2013, at 8:45 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: >> >>We have abilities that improve the business >>world, if we are allowed to enter it. The >>unemployment rate is far higher in the blind >>community than in the community of the >>sighted. It is mostly due to prejudice against >>us. We can do what we can, but banging on the door is not entering it. >> >>-- >>If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling >> errors! >>- Original Message - From: "Cara Quinn" >>To: "Gamers Discussion list" >>Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:24 PM >>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing >> >> >>HI Shaun and all; >> >>This is my point for my earlier question this >>week about how much people would be willing to pay for games. >> >>If we as a community want games we need to make >>it worth someone's time developing them. We need >>to offer a reason for people to stay with this. >>People need to survive and really want to keep >>creating games for this community otherwise game >>development will continue in this sort of hap-hazard manner. >> >>I know that people in this community may not >>always have the funds that a sighted person has, >>and this can prompt a couple of responses. >> >>• This may encourage people to get closer to the >>sighted world in order to make a little extra >>money so they can afford games. Just like a >>sighted person would. Just like an adult… >> >>• Really learn the skills necessary to create >>games for this community, yourself. >> >>It's like planting trees in a way. :) if you >>lose some, then plant more to make up for it. :) >> >>If people cannot always provide incentive for >>developers to keep creating for the community, >>then consider filling the void that occurs when said developers leave. >> >>It'
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
well all vb6 games will eventually face this, there will probably be ways to intigrate the support its just going to require more work thats all. At 09:27 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: If the key generator is worth $75 when considering the time and effort that went into creating it, I would pay the $75 for the key generator. The way his announcement was worded, though, was that you must buy everything for 1 flat fee, which is what is bothering some people. And, as Thomas Ward has pointed out, the software that keys are generated for may not work on platforms produced in the near future, so there goes your $75, because the software you bought is no longer supported. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "Draconis" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. I said that because Brian, and others, are saying that want to be able to only buy generators for the games they already own, and not for those they don't care about. This means Justin would have to create generators for each game individually that don't currently exist to accommodate these people. Instead, Justin's selling the program which allows the generation of all keys. A program which he already has and has been in use for years. That is the smart, and the sane, thing to do. In the end, you're right about the discussion being futile people want what they want, whether it makes any sense or is possible. And if it isn't possible, they'll want someone to blame, whether that blame is warranted or not. On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote: Ok, but you just said something about him creating multiple key generators. Now I'm confused. Either way, it's not a smart business tactic. Will that change the way it's being handled? I don't think so. Will it change anyone's opinion who's disagreeing? I doubt that, too. I have a feeling we could probably all go back and forth about this all day, but in the end, that $75 will be the end result whether we like it or not. On 4/18/13, Draconis wrote: Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote: Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only two keygen programs would really need to be created. I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. They really are two separate entities. On 4/18/13, Draconis wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, "Bryan Peterson" wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 i
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
tahnks will go take a look. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: "Jacob Kruger" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format On this page, they list/offer 4 sort of real interactive fiction narnia eBooks, but, they seem to be scanned page PDF files, inside zip files, and am busy running one of them through PDF2TXT's OCR functionality to see if it's readable/usable at all, but, would also assume/expect that there would be some actual infocom/glulx interactive fiction games out there based on the world of narnia, as such - but anyway: http://www.abandonia.com/fr/gamebooks Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: "Lisa Hayes" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format NOw i wish i was a programer i'd make a narnia game for us and a game based on watership down by richard adams, if there is one tell me someone please. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: "Charles Rivard" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "Lisa Hayes" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format And i got myself in to strife for mentioning the chronicles of narnia purely bvecause one person thought those books evil because they were fantasy and she doesn't believe that fantasy should be read due to her religion now getting back to games are their any games based on the narnia books, similar to sara based on harry potter. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Dark, Yeah, seriously. There were Christian publications that actually stated He-Man was satanic and urging Christian moms and dads not to let their kids watch it during the early 1980's when the show was originally aired. As incredible as that sounds to me today it actually happened. However, one must keep in mind the mindset of the readers and writers here. One of the main characters of the show, Evil Lyn, was a sorceress who could wield powerful dark magic as could Skeletor. On the flip side the Sorceress of Grayskull also could wield white magic to combat the villains, and He-Man did not derive his power from God but from a magic sword. Since in the mind of many Christians all magic is evil, satanic there is no such thing as white magic and dark magic. In their opinion all magic is evil, and the authors of such publications objected to witchcraft etc being practiced on TV for their children's entertainment. Plus I guess the idea of the hero, He-Man, getting his powers from a magic sword instead of God was pretty objectionable as well. It is basically the same argument leveled against Harry Potter and other such popular series. Any time there is a popular series be it He-Man or Harry Potter with magic involved there are people in America from the Christian Right who will get on TV or write articles in some publication or other asking for censorship of the content based on their religious views. In fact, it doesn't even have to involve magic per say. I heard of a case where some Christian publication claimed that Darth Mahl was suppose to represent Satan in the Phantom Menace which was totally off the mark. I am pointing this out only to state that rating a game, movie, whatever is really complicated because it seems everyone has his or her own opinion on what is and is not appropriate for their children to watch, play, read, whatever. For some it comes down to their religious views. For others, such as myself, I base content on more general principles like if I think it is too violent, too gory, or too sexually explicit for a child and will not share it with them. Still, I agree that sites like Audyssey and Audiogames.net does need some rationale for how they rate their games. I think everyone does this on some level anyway, and most of it is common sense so to speak. Excluding issues of religion
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions…
He definitely put out some great titles. WOuld've been nice to see more but there you are. But thou must! -Original Message- From: blindle...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:22 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… i agree i also want to thank juston for all the software he has put out and i want to wish him nothing but the best in what ever he will do in the future . your friend lee In a message dated 4/18/2013 3:11:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, i...@dracoent.com writes: Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games. Who will own them?
Hi Charles, Well, unless explicitly notified otherwise even when Blindsoftware.com, AKA Justin, retains full copyright and ownership of all software, sounds, music, etc contained in the software package. Even if he abandons them and gives this key generator away for $75 that does not entitle anyone else to ownership of the games either. However, since people did legally purchase the key generator for $75 I believe they legally can charge to generate keys since they are actually selling a service not the software itself. Does that make sense? Perhaps a similar concept is how Linux developers often make their money. Since Linux is free and open source the software can be downloaded for free. However, since the people who maintain the software need to make money they sell their services such as phone or e-mail support, sell their services as onsite support, whatever. They aren't selling you any software but their services. The same idea applies here. The people generating the keys aren't selling you the software only the service of creating new keys for your computer. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wrote: > To those of you who have gotten games from BSC Games: Read the license > agreement. Who owns these products? Question: After their doors close, > who will own them? We have purchased the right to use what BSC still > retains the ownership of. I'm thinking, maybe wrongly, that BSC will be > abandoning their software. If, as Justin has said, that the doors are > closing "for ever", I would think that after, and not before, that time, the > sharing of keys for those abandoned products, as well as those abandoned > products themselves, would be OK. However, the selling of such products and > keys would not be legal. They would become freeware. This is only > speculation on the part of someone who is by no means a "legal eagle". > > -- > If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling > errors! > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons
Naturally.I would expect to pay for such a major upgrade to a game. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:07 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons Hi Hayden, Actually, not so crazy if you think about it. Yes, the key generator will work for all the currently existing games, but what if Justin decided to rewrite all of his software in VB .NET or C# .NET and sell them as upgrades with new keys. Then, coming back and starting up the business, should he ever do such a thing, wouldn't be as crazy as you make it out to be since I am sure people, myself included, would be willing to pay for newer .NET enabled versions of the games. Cheers! On 4/18/13, hayden presley wrote: Not to mention the factthat he is giving us a key generator program. How ludicrous would it be if he reopened but everybody was able to generate keys regardless? Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions…
i agree i also want to thank juston for all the software he has put out and i want to wish him nothing but the best in what ever he will do in the future . your friend lee In a message dated 4/18/2013 3:11:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, i...@dracoent.com writes: Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] swamp and anew controller
Hey Steve, So far as I know, Swamp doesn't support game pads directly. You could in theory use a program like JoyToKey to remap the keys to buttons on your pad, but I foresee two issues. First, there are a heck of a lot more keys in Swamp than there are buttons on any game pad I've seen. Second, I'm not sure whether JoyToKey could emulate mouse movement onto a joystick. No doubt some other program is out there to do it if it can't, but seeing as you'd likely need to have a keyboard within reach most of the time anyways due to the first issue, I dunno, it all seems like a bit of a headache to me. Shame really, I agree it would be awesome. Maybe someone else can chime in here with ideas. Scott On 4/18/13, Steve Cullen wrote: > Hi Everyone, > Can you play Swamp with a game pad? I know I've asked this question before > But what is the best game pad or controller I can get for a computer > running > windows 7? > Thank you all so much. > Regards, > Steve Cullen > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Siber Assault
Well, what is the link to that web page for Siber Assault? i would like to try that out. It sounds like an interesting RPG. i ewould like to try Haypi monster, however, i aqin't sure if they have a Windows version. i have no point as to what the point of aps is. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons
Hi Hayden, Actually, not so crazy if you think about it. Yes, the key generator will work for all the currently existing games, but what if Justin decided to rewrite all of his software in VB .NET or C# .NET and sell them as upgrades with new keys. Then, coming back and starting up the business, should he ever do such a thing, wouldn't be as crazy as you make it out to be since I am sure people, myself included, would be willing to pay for newer .NET enabled versions of the games. Cheers! On 4/18/13, hayden presley wrote: > Not to mention the factthat he is giving us a key generator program. How > ludicrous would it be if he reopened but everybody was able to generate > keys regardless? > > Best Regards, > Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
L o l sorry insent messages habits die hard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
That would make sense but that's not the way he did it. But thou must! -Original Message- From: michael barnes Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:50 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. The thing is if he was giving all of the software that he had made instead of some of the software, then I could see the point of buying the whole package. However when he had decided to close his doors, he should have worked on key gens for the different software. Then he should have sent out copies to everyone who had paid. For exsample since I had paid for some of the games, then he should have sent me key gens for those games at no cost. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Except that I guess you're just paying for the ability to generate your own unlock codes in the event that you have to get a new computer. You just hope the games and their dependencies will still run on your new machine. But thou must! -Original Message- From: michael barnes Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:45 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. My thing is this. What if someone had bought all of the software from blindsoftware? Then they will have to basically repay for the items again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
The thing is if he was giving all of the software that he had made instead of some of the software, then I could see the point of buying the whole package. However when he had decided to close his doors, he should have worked on key gens for the different software. Then he should have sent out copies to everyone who had paid. For exsample since I had paid for some of the games, then he should have sent me key gens for those games at no cost. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
My thing is this. What if someone had bought all of the software from blindsoftware? Then they will have to basically repay for the items again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons
Exactly. Even more so if the new title he announced happenned to be the cancelled Castle Quest. LOL. But thou must! -Original Message- From: hayden presley Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:18 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons Not to mention the factthat he is giving us a key generator program. How ludicrous would it be if he reopened but everybody was able to generate keys regardless? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:04 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons He said forever. But thou must! -Original Message- From: shaun everiss Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:56 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons naah I don't think he is that way he must have a come back plan of some sort later if he can make it, I suspect he just does not want to commit to anything till he is ready again. At 09:43 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: Yeah. Justin doesn't strike me as being that stupid. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Desiree Oudinot Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:31 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons Yeah, and frankly, how would it look if a whole bunch of people paid $75 for this package, and then a few months later, Blindsoftware popped back into existance with some new game or title? On 4/18/13, Bryan Peterson wrote: The message was pretty clear. Forever usually means forever. But thou must! -Original Message- From: shaun everiss Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:01 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons true, it would be nice if he eventually came back. I do hope that one day he will come back. At 07:10 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.or
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
The problem is I think the wording in Justin's message may have confused most of us, me included. But there's still te concern of what happens when Microsoft advances tote point that the games no longer run on newer operating systems. That's 75 bucks straight down the toilet. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Hi Josh, FWIW I also read it that way. It's one key generator, and you use it to generate keys for 1 or all titles. It doesn't mean you are paying over for a title or 2 which you may have purchased years ago, but for the ability to generate keys for your own personal use. To anyone else who is reading my message, I also think that those who are offering to generate keys for $20 or whatever are taking advantage, and I'm not sure how legal or ethical that really is, but it's expected that this key generator will be pirated anyway, so I don't see why we have to continue beating a dead horse on this topic. Also, while I'm sure the list owners like a lively discussion about anything game related, there are some people who see things one way, and others on the completely opposite view of it. So, to each his/her own, right? PS, should I get royalties because it's my demo which is included in the Pipe2 game? . -- Raul A. Gallegos I didn't slap you, I simply high fived your face. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/18/2013 3:36 PM, Draconis wrote: Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote: Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only two keygen programs would really need to be created. I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. They really are two separate entities. On 4/18/13, Draconis wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, "Bryan Peterson" wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons
Not to mention the factthat he is giving us a key generator program. How ludicrous would it be if he reopened but everybody was able to generate keys regardless? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:04 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons He said forever. But thou must! -Original Message- From: shaun everiss Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:56 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons naah I don't think he is that way he must have a come back plan of some sort later if he can make it, I suspect he just does not want to commit to anything till he is ready again. At 09:43 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: >Yeah. Justin doesn't strike me as being that stupid. > > > >But thou must! >-Original Message- From: Desiree Oudinot >Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:31 PM >To: Gamers Discussion list >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons > >Yeah, and frankly, how would it look if a whole bunch of people paid >$75 for this package, and then a few months later, Blindsoftware popped >back into existance with some new game or title? > >On 4/18/13, Bryan Peterson wrote: >>The message was pretty clear. Forever usually means forever. >> >> >> >>But thou must! >>-Original Message- >>From: shaun everiss >>Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:01 PM >>To: Gamers Discussion list >>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons >> >>true, it would be nice if he eventually came back. >>I do hope that one day he will come back. >> >>At 07:10 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: >>>Hi all, >>> >>>BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for >>>modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers >>>without whom the >>> >>>industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. >>> >>>I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the >>>sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, >>>everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort >>>or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, >>>whether or not he has >>> >>>released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community >>>is to >>> >>>its detriment. >>> >>>Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to >>>return >>> >>>to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are >>>grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours >>>he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or >>>movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out >>>of these games without a thought to their creator. >>> >>>Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should >>>Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the >>>old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the >>>rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't >>>making that series anymore. >>> >>>Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do >>>the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want >>>before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be >>>thanking him >>> >>>for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over >>>the years. >>> >>>Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for >>>developers like >>> >>>me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. >>> >>> >>>--- >>>Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the >>>list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>>You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>>All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>>If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >>>list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> >> >> >>--- >>Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the >>list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >>list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> >> >>--- >>Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the >>list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>All messages are
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Hi Bryan, Well, its possible, but of course its not just Microsoft. The entire computer industry is changing and games like the BSC Games are not being updated to meet those changes, nor will they ever be. For example, the 64-bit processors have been on the market for roughly five years or so and many software companies besides Microsoft are going 64-bit. Mac OS is 64-bit, Linux is 64-bit, and of course Windows 7 and Windows 8 are 64-bit as well as many applications for those platforms. While it is possible to still run older VB 6 programs like the BSC Games on a 64-bit PC its just a case in point of something that isn't going to be supported directly. Then, there is the issue that everyone seems to be migrating from the traditional desktop and laptop computer to handheld devices like tablets and smart phones. There are a number of tablets running Google's Android OS, Apple's iPad running iOS, and Microsoft has some new touchscreen tablets and Windows Phones with Windows 8 on them. Since the industry is moving to these handheld devices the desktops and laptops are slowly being phased out in favor of smaller more mobile devices. As many of these devices are already accessible I look for PC use, even in the blind community, to eventually decrease in favor of these cheaper handheld devices. Look how many gamers here already use iPhones and iPads. Then, there is changes in security schemas that conflict with or cause troubles for older games. When Microsoft introduced UAC none of the audio game developers were prepared for it, and in deed most of them just say "turn it off" rather than write UAC compliant code. While I understand why they do it they are really ignoring a bigger problem in that they are asking users to bypass security to run outdated software. The problem here is that Visual Basic 6 was developed in 1998 for an OS now 14 years old. It was never designed for handheld devices, 64-bit processors, or new security features like UAC. Anything written in that language like the BSC Games is really living on borrowed time. As long as someone has a compliant computer or has a working virtual machine its fine. However, the way the industry as a whole is changing its going to become more and more problematic as time goes on. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Bryan Peterson wrote: > Not only that but with the way Microsoft is going it sounds as though that > 75 bucks will go to waste sooner or later anyway since sooner or later the > programs won't even run on more recent systems. > > > > But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Hi Josh, FWIW I also read it that way. It's one key generator, and you use it to generate keys for 1 or all titles. It doesn't mean you are paying over for a title or 2 which you may have purchased years ago, but for the ability to generate keys for your own personal use. To anyone else who is reading my message, I also think that those who are offering to generate keys for $20 or whatever are taking advantage, and I'm not sure how legal or ethical that really is, but it's expected that this key generator will be pirated anyway, so I don't see why we have to continue beating a dead horse on this topic. Also, while I'm sure the list owners like a lively discussion about anything game related, there are some people who see things one way, and others on the completely opposite view of it. So, to each his/her own, right? PS, should I get royalties because it's my demo which is included in the Pipe2 game? . -- Raul A. Gallegos I didn't slap you, I simply high fived your face. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/18/2013 3:36 PM, Draconis wrote: Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote: Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only two keygen programs would really need to be created. I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. They really are two separate entities. On 4/18/13, Draconis wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, "Bryan Peterson" wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archi
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons
He said forever. But thou must! -Original Message- From: shaun everiss Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:56 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons naah I don't think he is that way he must have a come back plan of some sort later if he can make it, I suspect he just does not want to commit to anything till he is ready again. At 09:43 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: Yeah. Justin doesn't strike me as being that stupid. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Desiree Oudinot Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:31 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons Yeah, and frankly, how would it look if a whole bunch of people paid $75 for this package, and then a few months later, Blindsoftware popped back into existance with some new game or title? On 4/18/13, Bryan Peterson wrote: The message was pretty clear. Forever usually means forever. But thou must! -Original Message- From: shaun everiss Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:01 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons true, it would be nice if he eventually came back. I do hope that one day he will come back. At 07:10 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@a
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games. Who will own them?
well if blindsoftware is truely going to be gone it sounds possible. Sertainly I plan to read it as such. At 09:53 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: To those of you who have gotten games from BSC Games: Read the license agreement. Who owns these products? Question: After their doors close, who will own them? We have purchased the right to use what BSC still retains the ownership of. I'm thinking, maybe wrongly, that BSC will be abandoning their software. If, as Justin has said, that the doors are closing "for ever", I would think that after, and not before, that time, the sharing of keys for those abandoned products, as well as those abandoned products themselves, would be OK. However, the selling of such products and keys would not be legal. They would become freeware. This is only speculation on the part of someone who is by no means a "legal eagle". -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons
naah I don't think he is that way he must have a come back plan of some sort later if he can make it, I suspect he just does not want to commit to anything till he is ready again. At 09:43 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: Yeah. Justin doesn't strike me as being that stupid. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Desiree Oudinot Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:31 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons Yeah, and frankly, how would it look if a whole bunch of people paid $75 for this package, and then a few months later, Blindsoftware popped back into existance with some new game or title? On 4/18/13, Bryan Peterson wrote: The message was pretty clear. Forever usually means forever. But thou must! -Original Message- From: shaun everiss Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:01 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons true, it would be nice if he eventually came back. I do hope that one day he will come back. At 07:10 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailma
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
who knows but eventually we will need vms sertainly to run eamon we will need them or old gaming systems a thing I have been contemplating. At 09:42 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: Not only that but will the games even continue to run as Microsoft gets more sophisticated? But thou must! -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:17 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. I suppose you're getting duplicates of what you already have at a rock bottom price. Question remains, though: Do you want them? If you only want to buy the key generator, as Microsoft keeps advancing the platforms and older ones get obsolete, will the key generator still work? www.nbp.org was selling brailled copies of the Harry Potter series of books for the same price as the inkprint editions. I already had the first 5, purchased individually. After all 7 had been published, I could have bought the entire 7 book series for $50, but I did not. I bought the last two separately. However, the important fact is that I did not have to buy the full series. I could buy individuals. In the case here, that is not an option. You must buy everything or nothing, and after the deadline, even that won't be an option. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "Draconis" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games. Who will own them?
Problem is the keys are hhardware specific are they not? But thou must! -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:53 PM To: audyssey gamers list Subject: [Audyssey] BSC Games. Who will own them? To those of you who have gotten games from BSC Games: Read the license agreement. Who owns these products? Question: After their doors close, who will own them? We have purchased the right to use what BSC still retains the ownership of. I'm thinking, maybe wrongly, that BSC will be abandoning their software. If, as Justin has said, that the doors are closing "for ever", I would think that after, and not before, that time, the sharing of keys for those abandoned products, as well as those abandoned products themselves, would be OK. However, the selling of such products and keys would not be legal. They would become freeware. This is only speculation on the part of someone who is by no means a "legal eagle". -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] BSC Games. Who will own them?
To those of you who have gotten games from BSC Games: Read the license agreement. Who owns these products? Question: After their doors close, who will own them? We have purchased the right to use what BSC still retains the ownership of. I'm thinking, maybe wrongly, that BSC will be abandoning their software. If, as Justin has said, that the doors are closing "for ever", I would think that after, and not before, that time, the sharing of keys for those abandoned products, as well as those abandoned products themselves, would be OK. However, the selling of such products and keys would not be legal. They would become freeware. This is only speculation on the part of someone who is by no means a "legal eagle". -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons
Yeah. Justin doesn't strike me as being that stupid. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Desiree Oudinot Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:31 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons Yeah, and frankly, how would it look if a whole bunch of people paid $75 for this package, and then a few months later, Blindsoftware popped back into existance with some new game or title? On 4/18/13, Bryan Peterson wrote: The message was pretty clear. Forever usually means forever. But thou must! -Original Message- From: shaun everiss Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:01 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons true, it would be nice if he eventually came back. I do hope that one day he will come back. At 07:10 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the manag
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Not only that but will the games even continue to run as Microsoft gets more sophisticated? But thou must! -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:17 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. I suppose you're getting duplicates of what you already have at a rock bottom price. Question remains, though: Do you want them? If you only want to buy the key generator, as Microsoft keeps advancing the platforms and older ones get obsolete, will the key generator still work? www.nbp.org was selling brailled copies of the Harry Potter series of books for the same price as the inkprint editions. I already had the first 5, purchased individually. After all 7 had been published, I could have bought the entire 7 book series for $50, but I did not. I bought the last two separately. However, the important fact is that I did not have to buy the full series. I could buy individuals. In the case here, that is not an option. You must buy everything or nothing, and after the deadline, even that won't be an option. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "Draconis" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Nobody buys portions of a TV dinner. People might not buy any, though, if they only wanted 2 varieties, but had to buy 12 varieties, 10 that they don't like, to get those 2 that they like. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "Dennis Towne" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Charles, You don't just get to decide what is for sale. You don't get to go to a store and say, "I only want half of this frozen dinner because I still have left overs from my previous one". The whole package is what's currently for sale, and your three options are to buy it, not buy it, or ask the developer if he's willing to split it. My guess is that he's not offering individual sales because it's not worth the time and effort. I'm sure if you were to offer to properly compensate him for doing the splits, he'd take you up on it. Just remember that his time isn't cheap. He's got a family to take care of. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: I don't mind paying for what I don't have, but don't feel that I should have to pay for already purchased software as part of a package. For me, this is the issue. Why should everyone have to purchase the full package when most probably have already purchased part of it? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons
Yeah, and frankly, how would it look if a whole bunch of people paid $75 for this package, and then a few months later, Blindsoftware popped back into existance with some new game or title? On 4/18/13, Bryan Peterson wrote: > The message was pretty clear. Forever usually means forever. > > > > But thou must! > -Original Message- > From: shaun everiss > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:01 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons > > true, it would be nice if he eventually came back. > I do hope that one day he will come back. > > At 07:10 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: >>Hi all, >> >>BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern >>platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the >> >>industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. >> >>I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments >>being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants >>something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that >>Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has >> >>released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to >> >>its detriment. >> >>Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return >> >>to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are >>grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he >>spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or >>movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of >>these games without a thought to their creator. >> >>Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should >>Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old >>Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to >>Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series >>anymore. >> >>Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the >>right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before >>their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him >> >>for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the >>years. >> >>Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like >> >>me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. >> >> >>--- >>Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >>please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
If the key generator is worth $75 when considering the time and effort that went into creating it, I would pay the $75 for the key generator. The way his announcement was worded, though, was that you must buy everything for 1 flat fee, which is what is bothering some people. And, as Thomas Ward has pointed out, the software that keys are generated for may not work on platforms produced in the near future, so there goes your $75, because the software you bought is no longer supported. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "Draconis" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. I said that because Brian, and others, are saying that want to be able to only buy generators for the games they already own, and not for those they don't care about. This means Justin would have to create generators for each game individually that don't currently exist to accommodate these people. Instead, Justin's selling the program which allows the generation of all keys. A program which he already has and has been in use for years. That is the smart, and the sane, thing to do. In the end, you're right about the discussion being futile…people want what they want, whether it makes any sense or is possible. And if it isn't possible, they'll want someone to blame, whether that blame is warranted or not. On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote: Ok, but you just said something about him creating multiple key generators. Now I'm confused. Either way, it's not a smart business tactic. Will that change the way it's being handled? I don't think so. Will it change anyone's opinion who's disagreeing? I doubt that, too. I have a feeling we could probably all go back and forth about this all day, but in the end, that $75 will be the end result whether we like it or not. On 4/18/13, Draconis wrote: Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote: Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only two keygen programs would really need to be created. I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. They really are two separate entities. On 4/18/13, Draconis wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, "Bryan Peterson" wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywh
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Unless I am misunderstanding, the key generator will generate keys for all products? You don't need a separate generator for each product. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "Draconis" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, "Bryan Peterson" wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Haypi Monster
Yeah, this part is incredibly odd. If you turn VoiceOver off and just tap around, it eventually works. For some reason VoiceOver won't focus on any other button than the one the tutorial puts you on. This is the only time you ever have to do this though, after you get through the tutorial, all other buttons are accessible. If you need to, you can get someone sighted to hit the button for you. -- From: "Ian McNamara" Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 07:07 PM To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Haypi Monster Hi where do I get the injustice game from? Also in hayki monsters I am stuck. It has told me to add a monster to my combat list, I have pressed the button and it just keeps saying button when I double tap it does not do anything. I tried with voice over off and it still won't do anything. I am trying to add the twiggy monster to my combat list to move on. Loving the game so far. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
I suppose you're getting duplicates of what you already have at a rock bottom price. Question remains, though: Do you want them? If you only want to buy the key generator, as Microsoft keeps advancing the platforms and older ones get obsolete, will the key generator still work? www.nbp.org was selling brailled copies of the Harry Potter series of books for the same price as the inkprint editions. I already had the first 5, purchased individually. After all 7 had been published, I could have bought the entire 7 book series for $50, but I did not. I bought the last two separately. However, the important fact is that I did not have to buy the full series. I could buy individuals. In the case here, that is not an option. You must buy everything or nothing, and after the deadline, even that won't be an option. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "Draconis" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Cyber assault query
I just hope the bionics system gets fixed, right now it's way too weird and buggy. There are implants that have requirements of other implants that use the same slots, like chassis and spine, ones that require implants that are supposed to be borg only but that you can still get without meeting the requirements, like neck assembly and cybernetic skull, you don't actually need the neck assembly to get the skull but it says it's a requirement. it's just messy. Really cool in concept and makes your character very powerful if you use them, but I hope it gets cleaned up. I reported a couple of things in game, so we'll see. -- From: "Johnny Tai" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:29 AM To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Cyber assault query There is a cyberassault wiki made by players at: http://cyberassault.wikia.com/wiki/CyberASSAULT_Wiki Other than that, log in and ask questions on gossip is your best bet. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons
The message was pretty clear. Forever usually means forever. But thou must! -Original Message- From: shaun everiss Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:01 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons true, it would be nice if he eventually came back. I do hope that one day he will come back. At 07:10 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions
I aggree with all points and viewpoints so far. At 07:31 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: My thoughts exactly, only said better and calmer than I feel I could have said it, hence the reason I didn't get involved. As it happens, despite pretty much paying for the games twice due to annoying but understandable circumstances, I have now paid for them a third time in order that I can unlock the software when needed, but just as importantly, to give Justin the money I feel he deserves after so long and so much time and effort spent on his part. There is no donate button, so to me, paying for three licences for every product is just as good. Kind regards, Damien C.S. Pendleton. -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:10 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions Hi all, BSC was a pioneer iin the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons
true, it would be nice if he eventually came back. I do hope that one day he will come back. At 07:10 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Not only that but with the way Microsoft is going it sounds as though that 75 bucks will go to waste sooner or later anyway since sooner or later the programs won't even run on more recent systems. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:49 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Hi Josh, Oh, I think most of us understand what Justin is doing and why. At least I certainly do. I know that there is one key generator that does it all, and of course that appears to be the source of the disagreement here. For example, I purchased Troopenum II a long time ago when the game first came out. Let's say all I want is a key generator for that one specific game. I don't care about Pipe II, Classic Troopenum, Hunter, or any of the other software in the package. Well, in order to play that particular game I am paying $75 worth of software I don't want just to license the game I already own. This is I think the main reason people are upset because maybe they only want to license certain things rather than having a master key generator that can license everything. Of course, I realize as you do that he doesn't have key generators for each application, and doesn't want to take the time writing them so chose to do an all in one deal. It makes sense to me, but it doesn't mean everyone has to like it. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Draconis wrote: Justin should've just sold the key generator for $75. It would have had the same exact result, and you all would be able to grasp what he's doing. The key generator creates keys for *all* *of* *the* *titles.* He either sells them all, or he doesn't sell the generator at all. It's that simple, folks. So you're either saying you want him to create a ton of new generators, or you want him to just shut down and offer nothing. Anyway, I'll leave you to it and exit this thread. There's no way Justin could have possibly made everyone happy, and no one wants to take the time to actually consider why he's doing what he's doing and the logistics involved. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Haypi Monster
They have emails for each product on: www.haypi.com -- From: "Fred Olver" Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 08:29 PM To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Haypi Monster If you give me an email for the developer, or a link, I will contact the developer as well. Fred Olver --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
But you at least still get to choose what to buy. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Dennis Towne Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:52 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Charles, You don't just get to decide what is for sale. You don't get to go to a store and say, "I only want half of this frozen dinner because I still have left overs from my previous one". The whole package is what's currently for sale, and your three options are to buy it, not buy it, or ask the developer if he's willing to split it. My guess is that he's not offering individual sales because it's not worth the time and effort. I'm sure if you were to offer to properly compensate him for doing the splits, he'd take you up on it. Just remember that his time isn't cheap. He's got a family to take care of. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: I don't mind paying for what I don't have, but don't feel that I should have to pay for already purchased software as part of a package. For me, this is the issue. Why should everyone have to purchase the full package when most probably have already purchased part of it? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Charles, You don't just get to decide what is for sale. You don't get to go to a store and say, "I only want half of this frozen dinner because I still have left overs from my previous one". The whole package is what's currently for sale, and your three options are to buy it, not buy it, or ask the developer if he's willing to split it. My guess is that he's not offering individual sales because it's not worth the time and effort. I'm sure if you were to offer to properly compensate him for doing the splits, he'd take you up on it. Just remember that his time isn't cheap. He's got a family to take care of. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: > I don't mind paying for what I don't have, but don't feel that I should have > to pay for already purchased software as part of a package. For me, this is > the issue. Why should everyone have to purchase the full package when most > probably have already purchased part of it? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
It's only natural. Why should we basically be forced to buy a bunchof extra stuff in addition to what we actually want, some of which I need hardly point out was free to begin with? But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:47 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. I said that because Brian, and others, are saying that want to be able to only buy generators for the games they already own, and not for those they don't care about. This means Justin would have to create generators for each game individually that don't currently exist to accommodate these people. Instead, Justin's selling the program which allows the generation of all keys. A program which he already has and has been in use for years. That is the smart, and the sane, thing to do. In the end, you're right about the discussion being futile…people want what they want, whether it makes any sense or is possible. And if it isn't possible, they'll want someone to blame, whether that blame is warranted or not. On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote: Ok, but you just said something about him creating multiple key generators. Now I'm confused. Either way, it's not a smart business tactic. Will that change the way it's being handled? I don't think so. Will it change anyone's opinion who's disagreeing? I doubt that, too. I have a feeling we could probably all go back and forth about this all day, but in the end, that $75 will be the end result whether we like it or not. On 4/18/13, Draconis wrote: Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote: Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only two keygen programs would really need to be created. I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. They really are two separate entities. On 4/18/13, Draconis wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, "Bryan Peterson" wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/g
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Hi Josh, Oh, I think most of us understand what Justin is doing and why. At least I certainly do. I know that there is one key generator that does it all, and of course that appears to be the source of the disagreement here. For example, I purchased Troopenum II a long time ago when the game first came out. Let's say all I want is a key generator for that one specific game. I don't care about Pipe II, Classic Troopenum, Hunter, or any of the other software in the package. Well, in order to play that particular game I am paying $75 worth of software I don't want just to license the game I already own. This is I think the main reason people are upset because maybe they only want to license certain things rather than having a master key generator that can license everything. Of course, I realize as you do that he doesn't have key generators for each application, and doesn't want to take the time writing them so chose to do an all in one deal. It makes sense to me, but it doesn't mean everyone has to like it. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Draconis wrote: > > Justin should've just sold the key generator for $75. It would have had the > same exact result, and you all would be able to grasp what he's doing. > > The key generator creates keys for *all* *of* *the* *titles.* > > He either sells them all, or he doesn't sell the generator at all. It's that > simple, folks. > > So you're either saying you want him to create a ton of new generators, or > you want him to just shut down and offer nothing. > > Anyway, I'll leave you to it and exit this thread. There's no way Justin > could have possibly made everyone happy, and no one wants to take the time > to actually consider why he's doing what he's doing and the logistics > involved. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
I said that because Brian, and others, are saying that want to be able to only buy generators for the games they already own, and not for those they don't care about. This means Justin would have to create generators for each game individually that don't currently exist to accommodate these people. Instead, Justin's selling the program which allows the generation of all keys. A program which he already has and has been in use for years. That is the smart, and the sane, thing to do. In the end, you're right about the discussion being futile…people want what they want, whether it makes any sense or is possible. And if it isn't possible, they'll want someone to blame, whether that blame is warranted or not. On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote: > Ok, but you just said something about him creating multiple key > generators. Now I'm confused. Either way, it's not a smart business > tactic. Will that change the way it's being handled? I don't think so. > Will it change anyone's opinion who's disagreeing? I doubt that, too. > I have a feeling we could probably all go back and forth about this > all day, but in the end, that $75 will be the end result whether we > like it or not. > > On 4/18/13, Draconis wrote: >> >> Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the >> different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, >> he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. >> >> But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL >> >> On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot >> wrote: >> >>> Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? >>> The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one >>> down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of >>> system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they >>> were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to >>> assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only >>> two keygen programs would really need to be created. >>> I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the >>> games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. >>> Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. >>> They really are two separate entities. >>> >>> On 4/18/13, Draconis wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, "Bryan Peterson" wrote: > Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. > That's the whole point. > > > > But thou must! > -Original Message- From: Draconis > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. > > > Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase > games > they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may > help > with those missing the point. > > There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these > eon > DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each > film > individually would be $160. > > You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner > Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the > unbelievable > price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like > Prisoner > of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. > > You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be > upset > because you're being made to re-purchase > the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. > > The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 > Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. > > Or… > > $40 for the two you already bought > plus $40 for the box set. > equals $80 > > $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. > > The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal > is > actually better than the scenario above. > > To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, > you're > effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are > not, > in reality, being made to buy them again. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Ok, but you just said something about him creating multiple key generators. Now I'm confused. Either way, it's not a smart business tactic. Will that change the way it's being handled? I don't think so. Will it change anyone's opinion who's disagreeing? I doubt that, too. I have a feeling we could probably all go back and forth about this all day, but in the end, that $75 will be the end result whether we like it or not. On 4/18/13, Draconis wrote: > > Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the > different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, > he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. > > But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL > > On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot > wrote: > >> Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? >> The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one >> down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of >> system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they >> were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to >> assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only >> two keygen programs would really need to be created. >> I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the >> games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. >> Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. >> They really are two separate entities. >> >> On 4/18/13, Draconis wrote: >>> >>> So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to >>> write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, >>> sell >>> them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? >>> >>> Wow. >>> >>> In the example… >>> >>> Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost >>> twice >>> as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend >>> less. :) >>> >>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, "Bryan Peterson" >>> >>> wrote: >>> Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the managemen
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote: > Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? > The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one > down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of > system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they > were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to > assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only > two keygen programs would really need to be created. > I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the > games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. > Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. > They really are two separate entities. > > On 4/18/13, Draconis wrote: >> >> So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to >> write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell >> them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? >> >> Wow. >> >> In the example… >> >> Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice >> as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend >> less. :) >> >> On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, "Bryan Peterson" >> wrote: >> >>> Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. >>> That's the whole point. >>> >>> >>> >>> But thou must! >>> -Original Message- From: Draconis >>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM >>> To: Gamers Discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. >>> >>> >>> Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games >>> they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help >>> with those missing the point. >>> >>> There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon >>> DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film >>> individually would be $160. >>> >>> You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner >>> Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable >>> price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner >>> of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. >>> >>> You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset >>> because you're being made to re-purchase >>> the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. >>> >>> The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 >>> Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. >>> >>> Or… >>> >>> $40 for the two you already bought >>> plus $40 for the box set. >>> equals $80 >>> >>> $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. >>> >>> The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is >>> actually better than the scenario above. >>> >>> To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're >>> effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, >>> in reality, being made to buy them again. >>> >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >>> list, >>> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >>> list, >>> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> > > --- >
