Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi Enes, That is quite possible. I've not done a lot of performance testing on that yet, but one thing I can say is because 64-bit processors can handle long doubles it will be far more accurate and precise about in game calculations involving angles and distances. Plus if a game developer throws in multithreading, duel core support, etc it will certainly run far better than a single threaded application. Plus since 64-bit ops like Windows 7 and Windows 8 can support up to 128 GB of ram there is more ram to work with when loading sounds and music. Although, I don't know of any audio game that needs that much ram. Lol. Cheers! On 4/30/13, enes enes.sari...@gmail.com wrote: hi, so will games which are compiled as 64 bit have a performance difference when ran on a 64 bit capable pc --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi Stephen, That depends on which version of Windows 7 you get. If you get the standard 32-bit edition all or most of your old 16-bit Dos games should run. For example, right now I have Piledriver and Eamon Deluxe both running on my Compaq laptop running Windows 7 32 bit edition and those Dos based games run fine. I also have tried Scare and Dos Frotz on the same machine with no problems. However, older 16-bit games will not run on 64-bit versions of Windows 7 at all. I should know. I have a Toshiba here with a 64-bit version of Windows 7, soon to be Windows 8, and nothing written in the 80's and 90's will run on it. Cheers! On 5/1/13, Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net wrote: if I switch to windows 7, will I still be able to play old dos games like fallthru effectively? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi Shaun, I am afraid I don't follow your logic here. I don't see what waiting for Jim Kitchen, GMA, Aprone, etc to upgrade to VB .NET or whatever has to do with you upgrading to say Windows 7. The fact of the matter is most of their games, the current ones written in VB 6, run fine on Windows 7 as is. So I don't see why you or anyone would have to wait. For example, I have three different computers currently running Windows 7 and a lot of those games run fine on them provided the VB 6 runtime libraries are installed and User Account Control is disabled. Right now I am on a laptop with Windows 7 and this computer has Lone Wolf, Tank Commander, Shades of Doom, Monkey Business, Sarah, Castaways, and just about all of Jim Kitchen's games installed on it. So I don't really get why you couldn't just use Windows 7 right now. Cheers! On 4/30/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Hi tom. Don't take this wrongly but I know several devs jim kitchen, aprone, I think gma maybe a few more that still use 6. If all devs dropped 6 and went to whatever I would have no issue with upgrading! Yes I realise some of them are upgrading but not all. You guys need to realise that the only reason we even bother with vb6 these days is that you guys write in it still. I wouldn't care if we went to vb dotnet. my win7 system has 3.51 and 4.5 right now! My xp system has all of them ofcause oh my win7 system does have 1.1 sp1 but thats it really. I think most of us are ready to switch. Would I pay for a dos emulator? If it came with a bunch of games, I would. probably no more than 10-15 bucks but I'd gladly buy a worth while emulator especially if I could use all the older stuff from yesteryear. I probably wouldn't pay more than 15-20 though for it. I am no programmer but dosbox being accessable sounds like a community project to me though I can't program. All we would need to do is have either some dll that could support 16 bit apps or simply be having a windows console app what could run 16 bit apps but onvert them to 32 bit like go32 cwsmi or dos4gw if we had a wrapper like that that would rock. Or even making the programs think they were running in 16 bits but actually run them at 64 bits. How long would it take ot write or get a good enough converter/wrapper and a console program. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
I see the business side of it as well, but am more concerned with the visually impaired consumers who game developers are marketing to. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Draconis i...@dracoent.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Charles, The biggest reason for this is the future. Look what has happened to BSC games. XP has far more years behind than ahead. We can't afford to make games that might, at best, have only 2 or 3 years of a life span. And, at present, we are in a weird transition time. We have roughly equal numbers of Win7 and Win XP users at the moment, with XP only a very slight advantage, judging by the visitor stats to the Draconis website. If we focus on XP, we're compromising the experience for users of new versions of Windows, in order to support users who can only realistically continue using XP for a very short time to come, comparatively speaking. The only logical thing to do is support as much as we can, with a focus on the newer systems, which eventually everyone will be using like it or not. Otherwise, we're pouring our effort into something that, in just a few years, will be useless. Draconis, at least, is trying to avoid the fate BSC titles now face. Microsoft could have made this transition smoother for developers and users alike, but didn't . We're all muddling through. On Apr 30, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Why shouldn't it be the other way around? Support what is used by the users rather than use what isn't supported and then try to support what is used? -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Hi, on top of all this, there is one simple thing to look at. Look at the main gaming industry. There are a lot of games out there that do not support anything less than Windows 7. So we aren't the first to see this happen. In fact, the audio games industry is being held back by the fact that we are being encouraged to keep supporting old OSs. So I think it's time that we look at the bigger picture of computing, and the capabilities that new OSs provide, and look at upgrading and what it would providers, rather than what it does not provide us! Regards: Dallas On 30/04/2013, at 22:50, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Like so many things in life there are two sides to every argument, and I certainly can't dispute that the issues you raised are valid, but there is another side to the debate as well. It is true that on 64-bit versions of Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8 it is not possible to play older 16-bit Dos games without a third-party emulator like Dosbox which is unfortunately not accessible. However, the real problem is not Windows, but the newer 64-bit processors themselves as they can not execute 16-bit applications natively which is why Microsoft dropped 16-bit support in newer versions of Windows. The problem for developers like Microsoft is why should they spend time and money trying to support old 16-bit applications that is no longer supported by the hardware of today when there are free applications like Dosbox available? However, the problem with making Dosbox accessible is easier said than done. From what I know of Dosbox in order to make it accessible a developer would be better off rewriting the emulator completely from scratch. That is no minor undertaking, and are you and the rest of the V.I. community willing to pay for this to be done? The second issue you raised is that of Visual Basic 6 support. I frankly don't know what you expect us developers to do about that situation. In my opinion there is frankly nothing we can do about that situation directly. The only thing we can do as end users and developers is encourage those using Visual Basic to upgrade to something more modern as quickly as they can to avoid any more needless compatibility issues. Otherwise we are going to experience more issues like those with the BSC games and Windows 8 as newer versions of Windows become available. What I am about to say will sound harsh to many, but I think it needs to be said. As early as 2006 I remember Microsoft actively encouraging Visual Basic 6 developers to upgrade to VB .NET and to move away from DirectX 8 as time was running out. Most of the mainstream developers listened and chose to begin upgrading their software to VB .NET 2005. Here we are nearly 7 years later and the majority of audio game developers are still using it even though Visual Basic 6 was discontinued as far back as 2008. So any
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Again I aggree with you draconis. That was why I eventually decided to get a box with no more than 4gb. I was running with half that. I can now use and continue to use 32 bit software even though its not the best to do so. On the subject of dosbox frank has told me that he does not know much c at all. just basic right now. He does say one day he will learn c and c++ but till that day he is stuck. he has an idea what is going on. Basically the output of dosbox is not a physical output but an image of the output. and since our readers can not read images of anything what so ever, we are stuck not that anything works inside that box. Another way to do things is to use something that will run your 16 bit programs in 32 bit mode like the djgpp tads runtimes and things though not to many programs will run in 32 bit mode. either that or using the windows console we could emulate dos that way I guess. For games and simple things though xp is still better than 7, in navigation and other things. Even when I get this new laptop finally set up its likely that half the time I will be doing all serious work on my xp box and not my 7 box. When my xp box dies, I will indevour to get a desktop, that will run 32 bit software maybe xp or a vm of xp. I prefur native but oh well. Eventually I am planning to get a home server for backups and then ofcause it won't really matter. I'll just make a image of xp on the server, somehow login and boot whatever system I have active and play via the server. At 12:39 AM 5/1/2013, you wrote: Hi Dark, My responses are throughout. *snip* 1: compatibility with dos applications. As a huge fan of text rpgs, I play not a few games with dos such as fallthru, and age of legends, yet thanks to microsoft that would not be possible on a 64 bit machine. For sighted users this isn't a problem since they can use the dosbox emulator, and indeed newer dos, or dos style applications are still being developed using it, noteably Eamon deluxe (and since there are over 270 Eamon games that is quite a lot just on it's own). If a developer created a screen reader friendly version of dosbox or a similar way to run 16 bit console window applications, it would mean that older games, which have been playable for the past 30 years would continue to be so for the blind community. This is something I know the developer of Eamon deluxe has been looking into and discussing with the dosbox dev team, but perhaps some assistance from a programmer with more knolidge of screen readers' interaction with windows would be of help, that is unless someone cannot create say a small application that outputs dos text to sapi or similar. *snip* First, there is a certain amount of irony that the first point on your list is essentially that you want to be able to cling to the past in order to move into the future. It is sort of like saying, thirty years ago, that you wouldn't use a CD player because it couldn't play your vinyl records. I use this analogy as someone who has a fair number of rare vinyl records which do not exist in modern formats. This doesn't keep me from having a CD player, or, these days, using iTunes. The vast, vast, vast majority of Windows users never upgrade their existing machine. They go buy a cheap new computer which happens to have the latest OS on it. When this occurs, rather than going through channels to keep using obsolete software, hang on to the old machine to play such games, and keep that machine in as good repair as possible, much as I have had to do with vinyl record players over the years. I still have my working Apple 2GS computer as well, specifically for the nostalgia playing the old games I had for it. I've had it for, likely, longer than many of the participants of this list have been alive, and it still works, because I've taken care of it. So, while your option of an accessible DOS emulator would be the ideal, it is something that is relatively easily worked around. *snip* 2: audio games created using vb6 and direct x. Microsoft have, as we've been told dropped vb6 support and messed about with many of their direct x components. with the number of accessible games being so small, it is a real shame when they cannot be run on newer machines due to lack of support for the components. Again, since windows xp existed as a viable os for close to 10 years and is still largely in use today, we're talking about a long period of time and not a few games, indeed a post last year on audiogames.net was from a 64 bit windows user who complained that the upgrade actually lost! them more than it gained. If I could be certain the dependencies to run games like classic pipe were still available in some sense for post xp windows, I'd be less concerned about upgrading my os. While I know vb6 is likely to continue as a viable option provided dependencies are installed, which is why developers like Jim and
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
How is Windows 8 more accessible than XP? Also, is it more stable? How well do older games that we have purchased run using Windows *? One thing I will say is that Windows Narrator has undergone vast improvements over what was in XP. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Hi, also, I'm not too sure where the idea that Microsoft has not been helping accessibility in more modern versions of windows. In fact, Windows 7, and more especially windows 8, are far more accessible than XP ever was. And their knew protocols, and APIs, that provide better accessibility now, then before. So again, not sure where this one came from. And I agree,, having an old machine with the older OS, is often the better option. Obviously, if you're fine with what you have now, then stay with it. However, XP will be losing support as of this time next year. So I would suggest, that you start looking at moving ahead now, before you're forced to. Mainly, because of the security risk you will be dealing with, when XP no longer is being provided the security updates. And in this modern world, where you are connected so much, to the Internet, it would be pointless to remain in a less secure OS. I myself, am seriously considering going with a Mac for my next computer, and dual booting windows on it. Best of both worlds. The only problem with that, is the cost of a Mac out right. Anyway, on with the games. LOL. Regards: Dallas On 30/04/2013, at 22:39, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: Hi Dark, My responses are throughout. *snip* 1: compatibility with dos applications. As a huge fan of text rpgs, I play not a few games with dos such as fallthru, and age of legends, yet thanks to microsoft that would not be possible on a 64 bit machine. For sighted users this isn't a problem since they can use the dosbox emulator, and indeed newer dos, or dos style applications are still being developed using it, noteably Eamon deluxe (and since there are over 270 Eamon games that is quite a lot just on it's own). If a developer created a screen reader friendly version of dosbox or a similar way to run 16 bit console window applications, it would mean that older games, which have been playable for the past 30 years would continue to be so for the blind community. This is something I know the developer of Eamon deluxe has been looking into and discussing with the dosbox dev team, but perhaps some assistance from a programmer with more knolidge of screen readers' interaction with windows would be of help, that is unless someone cannot create say a small application that outputs dos text to sapi or similar. *snip* First, there is a certain amount of irony that the first point on your list is essentially that you want to be able to cling to the past in order to move into the future. It is sort of like saying, thirty years ago, that you wouldn't use a CD player because it couldn't play your vinyl records. I use this analogy as someone who has a fair number of rare vinyl records which do not exist in modern formats. This doesn't keep me from having a CD player, or, these days, using iTunes. The vast, vast, vast majority of Windows users never upgrade their existing machine. They go buy a cheap new computer which happens to have the latest OS on it. When this occurs, rather than going through channels to keep using obsolete software, hang on to the old machine to play such games, and keep that machine in as good repair as possible, much as I have had to do with vinyl record players over the years. I still have my working Apple 2GS computer as well, specifically for the nostalgia playing the old games I had for it. I've had it for, likely, longer than many of the participants of this list have been alive, and it still works, because I've taken care of it. So, while your option of an accessible DOS emulator would be the ideal, it is something that is relatively easily worked around. *snip* 2: audio games created using vb6 and direct x. Microsoft have, as we've been told dropped vb6 support and messed about with many of their direct x components. with the number of accessible games being so small, it is a real shame when they cannot be run on newer machines due to lack of support for the components. Again, since windows xp existed as a viable os for close to 10 years and is still largely in use today, we're talking about a long period of time and not a few games, indeed a post last year on audiogames.net was from a 64 bit windows user who complained that the upgrade actually lost! them more than it gained. If I could be certain the dependencies to run games like classic pipe were still available in some sense for post
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hello I tought myself how to use JAWS on XP back in 2010, but back in June of 2012 I started taking a computer class that is not only for the blind, but is tought by the blind. they tought me how to use JAWS on windows 7. Now I was tought one and learn the other on my own, and I still perfer to use the one that I learned on my own over the one that I was tought. XP has a much smoother feel to it over windows 7, Like I said in a earlier post I bilt my computer from ground up. At first I had XP on it, but after I rebilt my old PC I put windows 7 on the newer one and xp on the older one. now on my wife's laptop she has windows 8. so I have used all 3 of mS oS's and I still like the feel to xp over the other 2, and don't even get me started on windows 8. I hate it. Yes it is screen reader friendly it's just not very smooth as far as I think. bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
It would also mean, that you can create games with very intense audio soundscapes, and still get very good response times out of the machine for navigating around and other actions within the game. Where as on 32-bit, you probably can't do that very easily, not with very intense audio soundscapes. It would take too much memory. Regards: Dallas On 01/05/2013, at 16:05, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Enes, That is quite possible. I've not done a lot of performance testing on that yet, but one thing I can say is because 64-bit processors can handle long doubles it will be far more accurate and precise about in game calculations involving angles and distances. Plus if a game developer throws in multithreading, duel core support, etc it will certainly run far better than a single threaded application. Plus since 64-bit ops like Windows 7 and Windows 8 can support up to 128 GB of ram there is more ram to work with when loading sounds and music. Although, I don't know of any audio game that needs that much ram. Lol. Cheers! On 4/30/13, enes enes.sari...@gmail.com wrote: hi, so will games which are compiled as 64 bit have a performance difference when ran on a 64 bit capable pc --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hello Yes that is the one thing I like about 7 is the search option. The only thing I don't like about it is that if you are looking for a file lets say it's name is sounds but there are 10 other sounds files in your computer it doesn't show u the path of that file so you don't know where that file is. It can be anywear so if you are looking for a spisific file with in a file you got to go through them all. bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi Charles, Well, one thing Microsoft has done in Windows 8 that is superior to XP is they have a new API called UI Automation which acts as a bridge between the graphical controls on your screen and your screen reader. It is for this reason that all the virtual intercept drivers and off-screen models that Jaws, Window-Eyes, Supernova, etc were using before are no longer necessary. Your screen reader can now get the identity of any control and its status directly from the Windows API. Unlike MsSAA, which is now deprecated, UI Automation is now a core part of the Windows API so software developers don't have to do anything special to make their Windows 8 applications screen reader accessible. They just have to follow some basic standards and guidelines. UI Automation is in part why Narrator works so much better in Windows 8 than prior versions. All of Microsoft's flagship applications like Internet Explorer, windows Live Mail, Wordpad, Notepad, Microsoft Office 2010, use UI Automation so they are suppose to be screen reader friendly out of the box. A lot of the apps you can download for Windows 8 are fairly screen reader friendly because they use UI Automation. I found a few that needed some accessibility improvements, but by and large I think once UI Automation becomes more mainstream we will see access improve on Windows 8 and later versions in general. Microsoft SAPI has gotten a nice over hall as well. SAPI 5.5 comes with a bunch more voices and they are light years better compared to the SAPI voices for XP. Some of the new SAPI voices are almost as good as the Vocalizer/Realspeak voices that comes with Jaws and they are free. Plus they work with the SAPI 5 enabled games. While not necessarily an accessibility improvement per say I think the new voices is one reason to consider an upgrade. Another thing about Windows 8 is there are a lot of new Windows 8 hot keys to do various things such as Windows+f to find a file, Windows+c to go to the charm bar, Windows+i to open your settings, Windows+q to search your apps, Windows+tab to cycle throughopen apps, Windows+w to search your settings, etc. Basically, there are loads of hot keys available to get around and use Windows 8 without the mouse or a touchscreen. Something else that improves the access of Windows 8 is being able to pin commonly used applications to the task bar. Let's say you use Internet Explorer all the time. You can press the context menu key on it right arrow to Pin This Application to the Task Bar and it will always be on your Task Bar and you don't have to go hunting through the Start Screen to find it.Even better if it is the first item pinned to your Task Bar pressing Windows+1 will jump directly to Internet Explorer no matter where you are in Windows 8. Cool eh? Cheers! On 4/30/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: How is Windows 8 more accessible than XP? Also, is it more stable? How well do older games that we have purchased run using Windows *? One thing I will say is that Windows Narrator has undergone vast improvements over what was in XP. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
OH Crudd!! I thought there was a catch. Perhaps it would be good to get a machine with lots of gigs of ram, then install a virtual xp machine upon it and do it that way. At 04:10 PM 5/1/2013, you wrote: Hi Stephen, That depends on which version of Windows 7 you get. If you get the standard 32-bit edition all or most of your old 16-bit Dos games should run. For example, right now I have Piledriver and Eamon Deluxe both running on my Compaq laptop running Windows 7 32 bit edition and those Dos based games run fine. I also have tried Scare and Dos Frotz on the same machine with no problems. However, older 16-bit games will not run on 64-bit versions of Windows 7 at all. I should know. I have a Toshiba here with a 64-bit version of Windows 7, soon to be Windows 8, and nothing written in the 80's and 90's will run on it. Cheers! On 5/1/13, Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net wrote: if I switch to windows 7, will I still be able to play old dos games like fallthru effectively? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mudding
Hello I used vippmud for a little bit and it was ok, but I like mush-z better, and it's free. So far the only mud I've plaied is alter aeon. witch I love. If you are in to lord of the rings and games like that then alter will be a great game for you. even if not you should try it out any way. games like that were never realy my thing till I played alter, and mush-z is a great sound pack for alter. bfn James -- From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 5:17 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Mudding Hello all I can't get my head around Mudding at all. Can someone give me some starters please? I'm using Vip Mud in Demo Mode. Any responses will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Chris. -- Christopher Hallsworth E-mail and Facebook: challswor...@sky.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/@christopherh40 Find my blog at challsworth2.wordpress.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Wondering about the size of the audio gamingcommunity
wow is that the percentages of that. that is out standing. I can't beleve that it's so high. bfn James -- From: Dennis Towne s...@xirr.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 5:34 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Wondering about the size of the audio gamingcommunity When it comes to selling actual copies of standalone games, the piracy rate is typically between 90% and 98% of the total. If your game is popular and your anti-piracy protection is weak, one player in 50 will buy your game. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com wrote: Ian, it has been a while since I've checked but Swamp had over 3000 unique players last time I looked at the numbers. I believe it was in the neighborhood of 3600, but that could have changed a lot since then, especially with my exceptionally buggy 2.9 release ROFL! :D As you've stated with your own players, these 3600 players of a free game would not translate into 3600 players of a paid game. You'd have to get numbers from someone who has sold a commercial game to better judge the size of the audio games community in terms of willing to pay players. - Aprone --- On Tue, 4/30/13, Ian Reed supp...@blindaudiogames.com wrote: From: Ian Reed supp...@blindaudiogames.com Subject: [Audyssey] Wondering about the size of the audio gaming community To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 3:19 PM Hi Tom, Dark, and developers, Tom, I was just curious to know how many people are subscribed to this list. It would give me a bit more of an idea about the size of the audio gaming community. Dark, I noticed that forum.audiogames.net states there are 12,762 registered users. I wonder if this number includes spam bots that created accounts and were subsequently banned. Do you have any idea about the number of registered users who have visited the site in recent history? Just curious. I appreciate any information you can share. It would also be very interesting to hear the number of actual audio game sales from developers but I understand if they wish to keep this private. For my part I will share that I have between 90 and 190 unique players of my games in a month and have had 513 users register to play since my first release. These numbers are definitely not something to base a business on as even 190 users playing my free games does not equal 190 users willing to purchase a game. And if I may say so, recent conversations on this list lead me to believe that a high number of people would attempt to pirate any games offered for purchase which make those numbers even weaker. My games are perhaps not as well targeted or advertised as others so I wonder if there is a lot more audio games community out there. I have also heard Aprone quote numbers in the thousands for those who play Swamp on a fairly consistent basis. I'd be interested to hear those again if you're reading Aprone. Draconis, you seem to be able to maintain a very professional company which includes more than just yourself. As an audio game developer who would love to someday be able to support myself full time writing audio games I'd be interested to know if your company is able to support you full time or is more of a supplemental income. Feel free to write me off list if anyone is willing to share things on an individual basis but not with the entire list. Ian Reed supp...@blindaudiogames.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send
Re: [Audyssey] Wondering about the size of the audio gamingcommunity
Hello I don't think it's that much. being a member for a little bit now I've got to learn the people that wright all the time. I think that people on this list should be more involved. Not just with ansering questions or posting comments, but with asking questions to. knolage is power, and the way to gane knolage is by asking questions. bfn James -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 5:43 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Wondering about the size of the audio gamingcommunity I wonder how many list subscribers actually participate? -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Wondering about the size of the audio gamingcommunity Hi Ian, Well, the number of members who are subscribed to the Audyssey list generally is about 300 give or take a few. In the six years or so since I have been moderating the list sometimes it has been as low as 280 and as high as 320 per month. It just depends on how many subscribe and unsubscribe. However, I don't believe that is anywhere near the number of actual people who are out there playing games. I think the best estimates given is that the audio games community is somewhere between 1000 and 2000 members total. However, as yet I don't know if there is a good way to run a survey to find out something more substantial. Cheers! On 4/30/13, Ian Reed supp...@blindaudiogames.com wrote: Hi Tom, Dark, and developers, Tom, I was just curious to know how many people are subscribed to this list. It would give me a bit more of an idea about the size of the audio gaming community. Dark, I noticed that forum.audiogames.net states there are 12,762 registered users. I wonder if this number includes spam bots that created accounts and were subsequently banned. Do you have any idea about the number of registered users who have visited the site in recent history? Just curious. I appreciate any information you can share. It would also be very interesting to hear the number of actual audio game sales from developers but I understand if they wish to keep this private. For my part I will share that I have between 90 and 190 unique players of my games in a month and have had 513 users register to play since my first release. These numbers are definitely not something to base a business on as even 190 users playing my free games does not equal 190 users willing to purchase a game. And if I may say so, recent conversations on this list lead me to believe that a high number of people would attempt to pirate any games offered for purchase which make those numbers even weaker. My games are perhaps not as well targeted or advertised as others so I wonder if there is a lot more audio games community out there. I have also heard Aprone quote numbers in the thousands for those who play Swamp on a fairly consistent basis. I'd be interested to hear those again if you're reading Aprone. Draconis, you seem to be able to maintain a very professional company which includes more than just yourself. As an audio game developer who would love to someday be able to support myself full time writing audio games I'd be interested to know if your company is able to support you full time or is more of a supplemental income. Feel free to write me off list if anyone is willing to share things on an individual basis but not with the entire list. Ian Reed supp...@blindaudiogames.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Yes, that would probably be a good way around it. You want a machine with at least 8 GB of RAM. So that you can dedicate either 2 or 4 gigs to a virtual machine. Yet another reason, I'm considering a Mac. I could have the Mac OS, if I have enough resaws is as well, I could then run windows eight or Windows 7 as a virtual machine. I'm still not too sure if I want to go with a mac yet, I'm still trying to decide, and checking out the possibilities. Regards: Dallas On 01/05/2013, at 17:09, Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net wrote: OH Crudd!! I thought there was a catch. Perhaps it would be good to get a machine with lots of gigs of ram, then install a virtual xp machine upon it and do it that way. At 04:10 PM 5/1/2013, you wrote: Hi Stephen, That depends on which version of Windows 7 you get. If you get the standard 32-bit edition all or most of your old 16-bit Dos games should run. For example, right now I have Piledriver and Eamon Deluxe both running on my Compaq laptop running Windows 7 32 bit edition and those Dos based games run fine. I also have tried Scare and Dos Frotz on the same machine with no problems. However, older 16-bit games will not run on 64-bit versions of Windows 7 at all. I should know. I have a Toshiba here with a 64-bit version of Windows 7, soon to be Windows 8, and nothing written in the 80's and 90's will run on it. Cheers! On 5/1/13, Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net wrote: if I switch to windows 7, will I still be able to play old dos games like fallthru effectively? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Note. You could pin apps to the taskbar in Windows 7 as well. LOL. That is not a windows 8 thing. Regards: Dallas On 01/05/2013, at 17:00, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Charles, Well, one thing Microsoft has done in Windows 8 that is superior to XP is they have a new API called UI Automation which acts as a bridge between the graphical controls on your screen and your screen reader. It is for this reason that all the virtual intercept drivers and off-screen models that Jaws, Window-Eyes, Supernova, etc were using before are no longer necessary. Your screen reader can now get the identity of any control and its status directly from the Windows API. Unlike MsSAA, which is now deprecated, UI Automation is now a core part of the Windows API so software developers don't have to do anything special to make their Windows 8 applications screen reader accessible. They just have to follow some basic standards and guidelines. UI Automation is in part why Narrator works so much better in Windows 8 than prior versions. All of Microsoft's flagship applications like Internet Explorer, windows Live Mail, Wordpad, Notepad, Microsoft Office 2010, use UI Automation so they are suppose to be screen reader friendly out of the box. A lot of the apps you can download for Windows 8 are fairly screen reader friendly because they use UI Automation. I found a few that needed some accessibility improvements, but by and large I think once UI Automation becomes more mainstream we will see access improve on Windows 8 and later versions in general. Microsoft SAPI has gotten a nice over hall as well. SAPI 5.5 comes with a bunch more voices and they are light years better compared to the SAPI voices for XP. Some of the new SAPI voices are almost as good as the Vocalizer/Realspeak voices that comes with Jaws and they are free. Plus they work with the SAPI 5 enabled games. While not necessarily an accessibility improvement per say I think the new voices is one reason to consider an upgrade. Another thing about Windows 8 is there are a lot of new Windows 8 hot keys to do various things such as Windows+f to find a file, Windows+c to go to the charm bar, Windows+i to open your settings, Windows+q to search your apps, Windows+tab to cycle throughopen apps, Windows+w to search your settings, etc. Basically, there are loads of hot keys available to get around and use Windows 8 without the mouse or a touchscreen. Something else that improves the access of Windows 8 is being able to pin commonly used applications to the task bar. Let's say you use Internet Explorer all the time. You can press the context menu key on it right arrow to Pin This Application to the Task Bar and it will always be on your Task Bar and you don't have to go hunting through the Start Screen to find it.Even better if it is the first item pinned to your Task Bar pressing Windows+1 will jump directly to Internet Explorer no matter where you are in Windows 8. Cool eh? Cheers! On 4/30/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: How is Windows 8 more accessible than XP? Also, is it more stable? How well do older games that we have purchased run using Windows *? One thing I will say is that Windows Narrator has undergone vast improvements over what was in XP. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Doesn't UIA automation work on windows 7 too? At 05:00 PM 5/1/2013, you wrote: Hi Charles, Well, one thing Microsoft has done in Windows 8 that is superior to XP is they have a new API called UI Automation which acts as a bridge between the graphical controls on your screen and your screen reader. It is for this reason that all the virtual intercept drivers and off-screen models that Jaws, Window-Eyes, Supernova, etc were using before are no longer necessary. Your screen reader can now get the identity of any control and its status directly from the Windows API. Unlike MsSAA, which is now deprecated, UI Automation is now a core part of the Windows API so software developers don't have to do anything special to make their Windows 8 applications screen reader accessible. They just have to follow some basic standards and guidelines. UI Automation is in part why Narrator works so much better in Windows 8 than prior versions. All of Microsoft's flagship applications like Internet Explorer, windows Live Mail, Wordpad, Notepad, Microsoft Office 2010, use UI Automation so they are suppose to be screen reader friendly out of the box. A lot of the apps you can download for Windows 8 are fairly screen reader friendly because they use UI Automation. I found a few that needed some accessibility improvements, but by and large I think once UI Automation becomes more mainstream we will see access improve on Windows 8 and later versions in general. Microsoft SAPI has gotten a nice over hall as well. SAPI 5.5 comes with a bunch more voices and they are light years better compared to the SAPI voices for XP. Some of the new SAPI voices are almost as good as the Vocalizer/Realspeak voices that comes with Jaws and they are free. Plus they work with the SAPI 5 enabled games. While not necessarily an accessibility improvement per say I think the new voices is one reason to consider an upgrade. Another thing about Windows 8 is there are a lot of new Windows 8 hot keys to do various things such as Windows+f to find a file, Windows+c to go to the charm bar, Windows+i to open your settings, Windows+q to search your apps, Windows+tab to cycle throughopen apps, Windows+w to search your settings, etc. Basically, there are loads of hot keys available to get around and use Windows 8 without the mouse or a touchscreen. Something else that improves the access of Windows 8 is being able to pin commonly used applications to the task bar. Let's say you use Internet Explorer all the time. You can press the context menu key on it right arrow to Pin This Application to the Task Bar and it will always be on your Task Bar and you don't have to go hunting through the Start Screen to find it.Even better if it is the first item pinned to your Task Bar pressing Windows+1 will jump directly to Internet Explorer no matter where you are in Windows 8. Cool eh? Cheers! On 4/30/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: How is Windows 8 more accessible than XP? Also, is it more stable? How well do older games that we have purchased run using Windows *? One thing I will say is that Windows Narrator has undergone vast improvements over what was in XP. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hey Tom, Very quick question which isn't particularly game related but would be good to know. Is UI Automation backward compatible in any way? I'm asking from the point of view of someone who finds themselves writing to plugin developers quite often to see whether there's any interest in improving the accessibility of their plugins. Should I be directing them to documentation on UI Automation instead of exposing their GUI via MSAA? Cheers Scott On 5/1/13, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Charles, Well, one thing Microsoft has done in Windows 8 that is superior to XP is they have a new API called UI Automation which acts as a bridge between the graphical controls on your screen and your screen reader. It is for this reason that all the virtual intercept drivers and off-screen models that Jaws, Window-Eyes, Supernova, etc were using before are no longer necessary. Your screen reader can now get the identity of any control and its status directly from the Windows API. Unlike MsSAA, which is now deprecated, UI Automation is now a core part of the Windows API so software developers don't have to do anything special to make their Windows 8 applications screen reader accessible. They just have to follow some basic standards and guidelines. UI Automation is in part why Narrator works so much better in Windows 8 than prior versions. All of Microsoft's flagship applications like Internet Explorer, windows Live Mail, Wordpad, Notepad, Microsoft Office 2010, use UI Automation so they are suppose to be screen reader friendly out of the box. A lot of the apps you can download for Windows 8 are fairly screen reader friendly because they use UI Automation. I found a few that needed some accessibility improvements, but by and large I think once UI Automation becomes more mainstream we will see access improve on Windows 8 and later versions in general. Microsoft SAPI has gotten a nice over hall as well. SAPI 5.5 comes with a bunch more voices and they are light years better compared to the SAPI voices for XP. Some of the new SAPI voices are almost as good as the Vocalizer/Realspeak voices that comes with Jaws and they are free. Plus they work with the SAPI 5 enabled games. While not necessarily an accessibility improvement per say I think the new voices is one reason to consider an upgrade. Another thing about Windows 8 is there are a lot of new Windows 8 hot keys to do various things such as Windows+f to find a file, Windows+c to go to the charm bar, Windows+i to open your settings, Windows+q to search your apps, Windows+tab to cycle throughopen apps, Windows+w to search your settings, etc. Basically, there are loads of hot keys available to get around and use Windows 8 without the mouse or a touchscreen. Something else that improves the access of Windows 8 is being able to pin commonly used applications to the task bar. Let's say you use Internet Explorer all the time. You can press the context menu key on it right arrow to Pin This Application to the Task Bar and it will always be on your Task Bar and you don't have to go hunting through the Start Screen to find it.Even better if it is the first item pinned to your Task Bar pressing Windows+1 will jump directly to Internet Explorer no matter where you are in Windows 8. Cool eh? Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for April 2013
126 people posted 2241 messages. 366 From, Thomas Ward. 218 From, dark. 202 From, shaun everiss. 150 From, Charles Rivard. 132 From, Bryan Peterson. 72 From, James Bartlett. 56 From, Cara Quinn. 52 From, Draconis. 47 From, Ken The PionEar. 45 From, michael barnes. 42 From, john. 37 From, Lisa Hayes. 34 From, Jim Kitchen. 33 From, Nicole white. 31 From, Desiree Oudinot. 28 From, Dallas O'Brien. 27 From, Sarah Haake. 26 From, Dakotah Rickard. 25 From, Chris H. 20 From, Christina. 20 From, Ibrahim Gucukoglu. 19 From, Angela Delicata. 19 From, Jacob Kruger. 19 From, Stephen. 18 From, Mich. 18 From, Ron Kolesar. 17 From, Dennis Towne. 16 From, Raul A. Gallegos. 15 From, joseph weakland. 13 From, Phil Vlasak. 13 From, Trouble. 12 From, Allan Thompson. 12 From, BlindLee55. 12 From, Scott Chesworth. 12 From, Shadow Dragon. 12 From, Teresa Cochran. 11 From, Curt Taubert. 11 From, Phil Vlasak. 10 From, Clement Chou. 10 From, Keith. 9 From, lenron brown. 9 From, Sky Mundell. 8 From, Darren Duff. 8 From, Johnny Tai. 8 From, Pitermach. 8 From, Will. 7 From, Ian McNamara. 7 From, Ian Reed. 7 From, Jeremy Kaldobsky. 7 From, Wil James. 7 From, Zachary Kline. 6 From, Allison P. 6 From, Eleanor Robinson. 6 From, Gabriel Battaglia \(Kriyaban\). 6 From, Karl Belanger. 6 From, Lori Duncan. 6 From, loriduncan. 6 From, Michael Feir. 6 From, Mohsin Ali. 6 From, Richard Sherman. 6 From, Ron Schamerhorn. 6 From, Tony James. 6 From, wayne17a. 5 From, austin pinto. 5 From, Fred Olver. 5 From, Kelly Sapergia. 5 From, Philip Bennefall. 5 From, Valiant8086. 4 From, Alfredo's Laptop computer. 4 From, dan cook. 4 From, Devin Prater. 4 From, enes. 4 From, Greg Steel. 4 From, hayden presley. 4 From, Michael Taboada. 4 From, ryan chou. 4 From, Ryan Conroy. 4 From, Ryan Strunk. 3 From, amanda burt. 3 From, anouk radix. 3 From, Damien C. S. Pendleton. 3 From, Donna. 3 From, Eleni. 3 From, Lindsay Cowell. 3 From, Lora. 3 From, May and Noah. 3 From, Nick Helms. 3 From, Nicol. 3 From, Orin. 3 From, Paul Lemm. 2 From, Amanda Burt. 2 From, Che Martin. 2 From, Eric Heil. 2 From, Kai. 2 From, Kelby Carlson. 2 From, Kim Friedman. 2 From, lindsay_cowell. 2 From, Liz Wade. 2 From, MamaPeach. 2 From, Michael Gauler. 2 From, Oriol Gómez. 2 From, Richard Claridge. 2 From, Ron hopkins. 2 From, ryan. 2 From, Steve Cullen. 1 From, Angela Lerma. 1 From, chandan mokashi. 1 From, Dark Lord. 1 From, Darren Harris. 1 From, David Mehler. 1 From, Edgar Lozano. 1 From, Gamers List Guidelines Robot. 1 From, goshawk on horseback. 1 From, Jess Varnell. 1 From, Jess Varnell. 1 From, Jesse Gaona. 1 From, Matheus Rheine. 1 From, Milos Przic. 1 From, Nimit Kaur. 1 From, Petr Bláha. 1 From, Sean Paul. 1 From, Shane Davidson. 1 From, Support. 1 From, sylvester thomas III. 1 From, venko atanasov. 1 From, William Lomas. Archive file size 6617382 bytes Jim Check my web site for my 35 free games. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Audyssey thread report for April 2013
There were 320 thread titles. Here are the top 50. BlindSoftware.com Is Closing 129. challenge for developers, post xp windows 109. An Announcement Regarding BSC Games 73. Children's Games was Audyssey Format 72. A Possible Offer To Consider 65. BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. 62. LOTR Games was Children's Games 55. Gaming Dice 48. Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? 45. Quality verses quantity of games. 40. Sarah beta from 2005 37. unable to run Rail Racer Demo on windows8 34. Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames 32. Can a sighted person play swamp? 31. More on hardware keys was: Re: An AnnouncementRegarding BSC Games 28. News from Blastbay Studios, and a call for opinions 28. I'm sad: Chillingham. 26. Does anyone have Rauls game recordings? 23. Gaming dice 22. genesis 3d? 22. Revisiting dragon pass 22. another community project 21. Corporate VS IndependentDeveloperswasModeratorMessage 18. Puppet nightmares question 18. Organizing the Audyssey Database 17. winkit.zip not a valid file? 17. 2013 Top 25 Websites for Gamers who are Blind 16. ?windows-1252?q?BSC_Games_shutting_down=2C_and_reacti?==?windows-1252?q?ons=85?= 16. lord of the rings game thought - Re: Children'sGames was Audyssey Format 16. My First Impressions of Change Reaction 2 for Windows 16. Chain Reaction 15. Python Games On the Mac? 15. need help with chess 14. New Version of Soundscape Explorer 14. Wow press your luck. 14. Audyssey format discussion -Re: AudysseyMagazineNowOnline 13. captcha 13. franklin Language Master. 13. JIm's battleship. 13. Piracy rate? 13. Audyssey Magazine Now Online 12. BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons 12. Introduction 12. Look Tell game for iOS. 12. Problem registering Ten Pin Alley,can anyone duplicate? 12. Rail Racer 2 info 12. Anymore RPG games? 11. enabling output window in mush z 11. Error when trying to launch entombed. 11. Swamp 2.9 is out just FYI 11. Jim Kitchen's Inc, for games that are up to 110 percent funner to play. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
I understand where you are coming from. Yes I got jaws training and earlier keynote gold dos training within keysoft. Everything else I have done I have done with trial error and reformat. True I looked at a few manuals but hardly mostly relying on shortcuts I found in programs. windows has been the same up to xp and 7 in some respects. The fact I can switch between systems at will is definately something I like At 06:44 PM 5/1/2013, you wrote: Hello I tought myself how to use JAWS on XP back in 2010, but back in June of 2012 I started taking a computer class that is not only for the blind, but is tought by the blind. they tought me how to use JAWS on windows 7. Now I was tought one and learn the other on my own, and I still perfer to use the one that I learned on my own over the one that I was tought. XP has a much smoother feel to it over windows 7, Like I said in a earlier post I bilt my computer from ground up. At first I had XP on it, but after I rebilt my old PC I put windows 7 on the newer one and xp on the older one. now on my wife's laptop she has windows 8. so I have used all 3 of mS oS's and I still like the feel to xp over the other 2, and don't even get me started on windows 8. I hate it. Yes it is screen reader friendly it's just not very smooth as far as I think. bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Thats a good point dallas I am playing tactical battle and on this xp unit I am having issue with big maps lagging loads. on this 64 bit unit even though its only running a 32 bit os for now thats not as bad. At 06:48 PM 5/1/2013, you wrote: It would also mean, that you can create games with very intense audio soundscapes, and still get very good response times out of the machine for navigating around and other actions within the game. Where as on 32-bit, you probably can't do that very easily, not with very intense audio soundscapes. It would take too much memory. Regards: Dallas On 01/05/2013, at 16:05, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Enes, That is quite possible. I've not done a lot of performance testing on that yet, but one thing I can say is because 64-bit processors can handle long doubles it will be far more accurate and precise about in game calculations involving angles and distances. Plus if a game developer throws in multithreading, duel core support, etc it will certainly run far better than a single threaded application. Plus since 64-bit ops like Windows 7 and Windows 8 can support up to 128 GB of ram there is more ram to work with when loading sounds and music. Although, I don't know of any audio game that needs that much ram. Lol. Cheers! On 4/30/13, enes enes.sari...@gmail.com wrote: hi, so will games which are compiled as 64 bit have a performance difference when ran on a 64 bit capable pc --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
well I am still storing files and folders on the drive root like I have always done. ofcause uac is disabled right now on my personal and things are as normal. At 06:57 PM 5/1/2013, you wrote: Hello Yes that is the one thing I like about 7 is the search option. The only thing I don't like about it is that if you are looking for a file lets say it's name is sounds but there are 10 other sounds files in your computer it doesn't show u the path of that file so you don't know where that file is. It can be anywear so if you are looking for a spisific file with in a file you got to go through them all. bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Yes this much is true, but I don't think that there would be anoff room in a truck for all those people. So it is much eazier to just kidnap the one that started it all. lol -- From: Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 6:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Why on earth would you go after Bill Gates, LOL. He no longer has very much to do with Microsoft. Most of everything has passed on to other people long ago. LOL Perhaps you should track down the people responsible for the changes you don't like, and chase them down and kidnap them. Hehehehehehehehe Regards --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi because of all the stuff I've seen mS put there costumers throu the years and just getting tyred of them pushing there stuff on people I'm making the move to Linnex. It will take some time getting use to, but I started with windows at one point not knowing nothing and I can do the same with Linnex. bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy rate?
Yes but people do things like that all the time. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Yeah, but Bill Gates didn't invent windows. LOL. A lot of people seem to think so, but he actually didn't. If anyone, technically speaking, Apple invented what we know as now as Windows. On 01/05/2013, at 20:02, James Bartlett jab8...@gmail.com wrote: Yes this much is true, but I don't think that there would be anoff room in a truck for all those people. So it is much eazier to just kidnap the one that started it all. lol -- From: Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 6:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Why on earth would you go after Bill Gates, LOL. He no longer has very much to do with Microsoft. Most of everything has passed on to other people long ago. LOL Perhaps you should track down the people responsible for the changes you don't like, and chase them down and kidnap them. Hehehehehehehehe Regards --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
It's kind of ironic. Apple in a lot of ways, invented what we now know as windows. Microsoft actually use the ideas that apple used originally. Mind you, Apple didn't invent it either really. They technically got it from Xerox. LOL. So blame Xerox. The interesting thing about this, is that people are complaining about how different windows 8 is to Windows 7 and earlier. Because Microsoft didn't change very much in Windows for so long, So the change now has come as somewhat of a shock to some people. Especially those that have been using windows for some time. Of course, Apple has been changing continually, over a long period of time, making small changes here and there, so as not to make it such a jarring experience. Microsoft has made the mistake, of waiting too long before making a change to windows in a major way. Whereas Apple has done it slowly over about 10 years. It's kind of amusing, to hear people talking about 32-bit and 64-bit Windows, and what software can run on one and what can't run on the other. Because, quite simply, Apple made the choice to go permanently 64-bit. Because of this, they don't tend to have this kind of problem. About the only thing that doesn't run now, Would be older apps designed for the old processes. So Apple have in fact made the jump to 64-bit completely, whereas windows is still again, a kind of half way measure, where you can do both. It would be so much simpler, if Microsoft would do the same. Make everything 64-bit, if you want support for anything else, you will have to use emulators, or an old computer. And in fact, from all the information we have got now, the next major version of windows, is going to do Exactly that. There will be no 32-bit version. And it's about time. LOL. All of our computers that we have bought for the last six years or more, minus the netbooks, are 64-bit capable. So there is no reason to hold back, and keep using 32-bit versions of windows. Of course, this was done for compatibility, with older programs. But what is being said now, is 99% of everything that is out there now, is either a 32-bit program, or a 64-bit program. There is little reason to stay in a 32-bit operating system from here on in. Regards: Dallas On 01/05/2013, at 20:02, James Bartlett jab8...@gmail.com wrote: Yes this much is true, but I don't think that there would be anoff room in a truck for all those people. So it is much eazier to just kidnap the one that started it all. lol -- From: Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 6:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Why on earth would you go after Bill Gates, LOL. He no longer has very much to do with Microsoft. Most of everything has passed on to other people long ago. LOL Perhaps you should track down the people responsible for the changes you don't like, and chase them down and kidnap them. Hehehehehehehehe Regards --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Wondering about the size of the audio gamingcommunity
Hi Folks, It's easy to find out how many participate in the Audyssey list, Jim Kitchen lets us know the beginning of each month: 126 people posted 2241 messages - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Wondering about the size of the audio gamingcommunity Hi Ian, Well, the number of members who are subscribed to the Audyssey list generally is about 300 give or take a few. In the six years or so since I have been moderating the list sometimes it has been as low as 280 and as high as 320 per month. It just depends on how many subscribe and unsubscribe. However, I don't believe that is anywhere near the number of actual people who are out there playing games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for April 2013
Thanks, Jim. Christina -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kitchen Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 4:49 AM To: Audyssey Subject: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for April 2013 126 people posted 2241 messages. 366 From, Thomas Ward. 218 From, dark. 202 From, shaun everiss. 150 From, Charles Rivard. 132 From, Bryan Peterson. 72 From, James Bartlett. 56 From, Cara Quinn. 52 From, Draconis. 47 From, Ken The PionEar. 45 From, michael barnes. 42 From, john. 37 From, Lisa Hayes. 34 From, Jim Kitchen. 33 From, Nicole white. 31 From, Desiree Oudinot. 28 From, Dallas O'Brien. 27 From, Sarah Haake. 26 From, Dakotah Rickard. 25 From, Chris H. 20 From, Christina. 20 From, Ibrahim Gucukoglu. 19 From, Angela Delicata. 19 From, Jacob Kruger. 19 From, Stephen. 18 From, Mich. 18 From, Ron Kolesar. 17 From, Dennis Towne. 16 From, Raul A. Gallegos. 15 From, joseph weakland. 13 From, Phil Vlasak. 13 From, Trouble. 12 From, Allan Thompson. 12 From, BlindLee55. 12 From, Scott Chesworth. 12 From, Shadow Dragon. 12 From, Teresa Cochran. 11 From, Curt Taubert. 11 From, Phil Vlasak. 10 From, Clement Chou. 10 From, Keith. 9 From, lenron brown. 9 From, Sky Mundell. 8 From, Darren Duff. 8 From, Johnny Tai. 8 From, Pitermach. 8 From, Will. 7 From, Ian McNamara. 7 From, Ian Reed. 7 From, Jeremy Kaldobsky. 7 From, Wil James. 7 From, Zachary Kline. 6 From, Allison P. 6 From, Eleanor Robinson. 6 From, Gabriel Battaglia \(Kriyaban\). 6 From, Karl Belanger. 6 From, Lori Duncan. 6 From, loriduncan. 6 From, Michael Feir. 6 From, Mohsin Ali. 6 From, Richard Sherman. 6 From, Ron Schamerhorn. 6 From, Tony James. 6 From, wayne17a. 5 From, austin pinto. 5 From, Fred Olver. 5 From, Kelly Sapergia. 5 From, Philip Bennefall. 5 From, Valiant8086. 4 From, Alfredo's Laptop computer. 4 From, dan cook. 4 From, Devin Prater. 4 From, enes. 4 From, Greg Steel. 4 From, hayden presley. 4 From, Michael Taboada. 4 From, ryan chou. 4 From, Ryan Conroy. 4 From, Ryan Strunk. 3 From, amanda burt. 3 From, anouk radix. 3 From, Damien C. S. Pendleton. 3 From, Donna. 3 From, Eleni. 3 From, Lindsay Cowell. 3 From, Lora. 3 From, May and Noah. 3 From, Nick Helms. 3 From, Nicol. 3 From, Orin. 3 From, Paul Lemm. 2 From, Amanda Burt. 2 From, Che Martin. 2 From, Eric Heil. 2 From, Kai. 2 From, Kelby Carlson. 2 From, Kim Friedman. 2 From, lindsay_cowell. 2 From, Liz Wade. 2 From, MamaPeach. 2 From, Michael Gauler. 2 From, Oriol Gómez. 2 From, Richard Claridge. 2 From, Ron hopkins. 2 From, ryan. 2 From, Steve Cullen. 1 From, Angela Lerma. 1 From, chandan mokashi. 1 From, Dark Lord. 1 From, Darren Harris. 1 From, David Mehler. 1 From, Edgar Lozano. 1 From, Gamers List Guidelines Robot. 1 From, goshawk on horseback. 1 From, Jess Varnell. 1 From, Jess Varnell. 1 From, Jesse Gaona. 1 From, Matheus Rheine. 1 From, Milos Przic. 1 From, Nimit Kaur. 1 From, Petr Bláha. 1 From, Sean Paul. 1 From, Shane Davidson. 1 From, Support. 1 From, sylvester thomas III. 1 From, venko atanasov. 1 From, William Lomas. Archive file size 6617382 bytes Jim Check my web site for my 35 free games. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi. Well I will have a look at the mack alternative, provided I can actually try one first, and particularly see virtual xp working for backwards compatibility, however on the security front, that to me is technical specks rather than practical good. If I can run windows xp with an antivirus and be fine, well it's secure enough. Again, I think this comes down to an instrumental view of computers, looking at what they do rather than their stats. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy rate?
That would depend on the country in witch the crime was committed. Do they hold up the US copy right law or do they have one of there own? Your walking a very gray area there. At 01:47 AM 5/1/2013, you wrote: Hi Enes, I don't know. The law I sited earlier, the No Electronic Theft Act, applies only to the United States and its citizens. I don't know what is in place for international cyber crimes. I assume they must have something in place. Cheers! On 4/30/13, enes enes.sari...@gmail.com wrote: hi thomas, doesn't that amount of jailtime and money change based on which country the dev is in and the user is in? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi valllient. i'm afraid that taking more than several hours with the windows 7 interface is precisely my point, particularly compared to sighted users who can instantly see and click. As I said, that people can! use windows 7's display I don't dispute, my issue is why should! people bother if the system doesn't actually have any bennifits over xp other than having a funkier interface. it's like this. If you walk a mile to the station, and your local counsel (or whatever local authorities are called in your part of the world), open a new road that you could use to get to the station at a more roundabout route of two miles, your not going to walk down the new road simply because it is new, since it's of no bennifit to you. The same may not be true of other systems, as I said, I will look into the mac business, but certainly with windows 7 this is my point and why I believe so many vi users are still using xp. Beware the grue! Dark. - --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Nope steven, which indeed was one of my points. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows if I switch to windows 7, will I still be able to play old dos games like fallthru effectively? At 11:02 AM 5/1/2013, you wrote: One of the biggest factors to consider is security. XP has been out on the market for 13 years. That means people have had 13 years to figure out all its little exploits. Windows 7 is more secure. It runs faster. It's more efficient from an end-user standpoint. There is a substantial difference between not liking something because it has been poorly designed and not liking something because you aren't comfortable using it. I would suspect this massive hate-on you're packing for Windows is due to the latter. I loved XP. I owned 6 computers over the course of 8 years, and that was the only system I would run. I hated the idea of switching to Windows 7. But now that I have, I wouldn't switch back if you paid me to. Windows 7 runs quicker, the search box is a dream, and I don't get fishing/virus programs that pop up on my computer just for visiting a Trojan site. Perhaps instead of railing against a system that will eventually replace what you're comfortable with now, you might reach out for advice/tips on how to use it better. You might surprise yourself. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 3:38 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Hi tom. touchscreens are the rub however with that one and why I don't want to completely dismiss windows eight, since I do indeed like the touchscreen interface on ios which has an icon setup much as you describe windows 8 having, which would I agree be a nightmare with arrows but is great with a touch screen and speech. Another part of this however, particularly where things like ribbons are concerned, is why should! a user bother learning a new interface, or to put it a little less bluntly, what extra bennifits are provided with windows 7 or 8 that xp doesn't have, ie, what more will it do for me that justify the time spend learning all this. in the case of the Ios screen this was clear. if I wanted to play games like king of dragon pass, as well as access phone functions like text messages, siri etc, I had to learn the interface, there was a clear bennifit to doing so. What however does windows 8 do that xp doesn't that justifies a persons time? This is more than just an idle question. For a visually impared user, naturally stuff is more difficult, that is part of life, this means however that a person needs to pick their battles a little more carefully and is my point as to windows 7. As you've already said, the practical functionality isn't that much over xp, all it provides is extra trouble and work to learn, so why should! people take the trouble for something that they can do anyway? Windows 8 might be another beast entirely since touchscreens have a different set of bennifits to keyboards, which is why I will likely wait to try windows 8 (and specifically windows 8 with a touch screen), before making up my mind entirely on the subject. Beware the Grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list,
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi tom. Those do sound useful features, which is exactly what I was arguing in favour of, and what windows 7 does not have (I like the sound of the ui business), but it was however just this sort of thing I was asking about when I started this topic in the first place since such advantages might! make it worth a persons' time to upgrade even if that does mean abandoning certain old games or having to run them in a virtual machine. Btw, does this ui automation thingy also work for emulators like dosbox? if so, then that would deffinately be a plus. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Hi Charles, Well, one thing Microsoft has done in Windows 8 that is superior to XP is they have a new API called UI Automation which acts as a bridge between the graphical controls on your screen and your screen reader. It is for this reason that all the virtual intercept drivers and off-screen models that Jaws, Window-Eyes, Supernova, etc were using before are no longer necessary. Your screen reader can now get the identity of any control and its status directly from the Windows API. Unlike MsSAA, which is now deprecated, UI Automation is now a core part of the Windows API so software developers don't have to do anything special to make their Windows 8 applications screen reader accessible. They just have to follow some basic standards and guidelines. UI Automation is in part why Narrator works so much better in Windows 8 than prior versions. All of Microsoft's flagship applications like Internet Explorer, windows Live Mail, Wordpad, Notepad, Microsoft Office 2010, use UI Automation so they are suppose to be screen reader friendly out of the box. A lot of the apps you can download for Windows 8 are fairly screen reader friendly because they use UI Automation. I found a few that needed some accessibility improvements, but by and large I think once UI Automation becomes more mainstream we will see access improve on Windows 8 and later versions in general. Microsoft SAPI has gotten a nice over hall as well. SAPI 5.5 comes with a bunch more voices and they are light years better compared to the SAPI voices for XP. Some of the new SAPI voices are almost as good as the Vocalizer/Realspeak voices that comes with Jaws and they are free. Plus they work with the SAPI 5 enabled games. While not necessarily an accessibility improvement per say I think the new voices is one reason to consider an upgrade. Another thing about Windows 8 is there are a lot of new Windows 8 hot keys to do various things such as Windows+f to find a file, Windows+c to go to the charm bar, Windows+i to open your settings, Windows+q to search your apps, Windows+tab to cycle throughopen apps, Windows+w to search your settings, etc. Basically, there are loads of hot keys available to get around and use Windows 8 without the mouse or a touchscreen. Something else that improves the access of Windows 8 is being able to pin commonly used applications to the task bar. Let's say you use Internet Explorer all the time. You can press the context menu key on it right arrow to Pin This Application to the Task Bar and it will always be on your Task Bar and you don't have to go hunting through the Start Screen to find it.Even better if it is the first item pinned to your Task Bar pressing Windows+1 will jump directly to Internet Explorer no matter where you are in Windows 8. Cool eh? Cheers! On 4/30/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: How is Windows 8 more accessible than XP? Also, is it more stable? How well do older games that we have purchased run using Windows *? One thing I will say is that Windows Narrator has undergone vast improvements over what was in XP. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Though practically speaking I see that as one of the less good points in windows 7-8, since I have already created shortcut keys on desktop icons that do the same thing, eg, I press ctrl alt o for outlook express. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Note. You could pin apps to the taskbar in Windows 7 as well. LOL. That is not a windows 8 thing. Regards: Dallas On 01/05/2013, at 17:00, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Charles, Well, one thing Microsoft has done in Windows 8 that is superior to XP is they have a new API called UI Automation which acts as a bridge between the graphical controls on your screen and your screen reader. It is for this reason that all the virtual intercept drivers and off-screen models that Jaws, Window-Eyes, Supernova, etc were using before are no longer necessary. Your screen reader can now get the identity of any control and its status directly from the Windows API. Unlike MsSAA, which is now deprecated, UI Automation is now a core part of the Windows API so software developers don't have to do anything special to make their Windows 8 applications screen reader accessible. They just have to follow some basic standards and guidelines. UI Automation is in part why Narrator works so much better in Windows 8 than prior versions. All of Microsoft's flagship applications like Internet Explorer, windows Live Mail, Wordpad, Notepad, Microsoft Office 2010, use UI Automation so they are suppose to be screen reader friendly out of the box. A lot of the apps you can download for Windows 8 are fairly screen reader friendly because they use UI Automation. I found a few that needed some accessibility improvements, but by and large I think once UI Automation becomes more mainstream we will see access improve on Windows 8 and later versions in general. Microsoft SAPI has gotten a nice over hall as well. SAPI 5.5 comes with a bunch more voices and they are light years better compared to the SAPI voices for XP. Some of the new SAPI voices are almost as good as the Vocalizer/Realspeak voices that comes with Jaws and they are free. Plus they work with the SAPI 5 enabled games. While not necessarily an accessibility improvement per say I think the new voices is one reason to consider an upgrade. Another thing about Windows 8 is there are a lot of new Windows 8 hot keys to do various things such as Windows+f to find a file, Windows+c to go to the charm bar, Windows+i to open your settings, Windows+q to search your apps, Windows+tab to cycle throughopen apps, Windows+w to search your settings, etc. Basically, there are loads of hot keys available to get around and use Windows 8 without the mouse or a touchscreen. Something else that improves the access of Windows 8 is being able to pin commonly used applications to the task bar. Let's say you use Internet Explorer all the time. You can press the context menu key on it right arrow to Pin This Application to the Task Bar and it will always be on your Task Bar and you don't have to go hunting through the Start Screen to find it.Even better if it is the first item pinned to your Task Bar pressing Windows+1 will jump directly to Internet Explorer no matter where you are in Windows 8. Cool eh? Cheers! On 4/30/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: How is Windows 8 more accessible than XP? Also, is it more stable? How well do older games that we have purchased run using Windows *? One thing I will say is that Windows Narrator has undergone vast improvements over what was in XP. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
besides, the man has so much money, shaking him until lots of cash falls out you could use it to pay off everyone else :D. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: James Bartlett jab8...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Yes this much is true, but I don't think that there would be anoff room in a truck for all those people. So it is much eazier to just kidnap the one that started it all. lol -- From: Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 6:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Why on earth would you go after Bill Gates, LOL. He no longer has very much to do with Microsoft. Most of everything has passed on to other people long ago. LOL Perhaps you should track down the people responsible for the changes you don't like, and chase them down and kidnap them. Hehehehehehehehe Regards --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Fantastic article on game piracy, everyone should read
Hello all, Ironically, this article just came up in my RSS feeds, and I highly recommend reading it. Sheer brilliance. http://www.greenheartgames.com/2013/04/29/what-happens-when-pirates-play-a-game-development-simulator-and-then-go-bankrupt-because-of-piracy/ --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Fantastic article on game piracy, everyone should read
That's rather cool. A very neat idea. Good on them for doing it. Dallas On 01/05/2013, at 23:26, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: Hello all, Ironically, this article just came up in my RSS feeds, and I highly recommend reading it. Sheer brilliance. http://www.greenheartgames.com/2013/04/29/what-happens-when-pirates-play-a-game-development-simulator-and-then-go-bankrupt-because-of-piracy/ --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
LOL, he probably loses more money per hour, by mistakingly dropping it, or other various ways, and we would make in several years. LOL. Dallas On 01/05/2013, at 22:53, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: besides, the man has so much money, shaking him until lots of cash falls out you could use it to pay off everyone else :D. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: James Bartlett jab8...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Yes this much is true, but I don't think that there would be anoff room in a truck for all those people. So it is much eazier to just kidnap the one that started it all. lol -- From: Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 6:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Why on earth would you go after Bill Gates, LOL. He no longer has very much to do with Microsoft. Most of everything has passed on to other people long ago. LOL Perhaps you should track down the people responsible for the changes you don't like, and chase them down and kidnap them. Hehehehehehehehe Regards --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
More secure, does not necessarily mean antivirus. Yes, having an anti-virus package in place can help, but in the end, viruses are actually the least of your worries. There are a lot of gaps in Windows XP, that have yet to be filled. Ways and means, that people can use, to get hold of information from your computer, or even take control of it. They have been trying to patch a lot of them, but it's so old, that this is very difficult. Where as newer versions of windows, have newer and better ways of dealing with this, and have a lot of those Loopholes blocked. I am not saying necessarily that having XP is completely a bad thing, what I am saying, is that there are far more benefits with security, speed, and stability, in Windows 7 and Windows 8 and upwards in the future, then XP. You say that it's mostly a UI change, this is, I am afraid to say, not true. Windows 7 is far more stable, and fast, then XP. And windows 8 is even more so. Dallas On 01/05/2013, at 22:34, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. Well I will have a look at the mack alternative, provided I can actually try one first, and particularly see virtual xp working for backwards compatibility, however on the security front, that to me is technical specks rather than practical good. If I can run windows xp with an antivirus and be fine, well it's secure enough. Again, I think this comes down to an instrumental view of computers, looking at what they do rather than their stats. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] a suggestion to the developer of soundscape exploerer
hello i have a suggestion to the developer of soundscape exploere if able. since i have a saiteckSD290 pro which is a usb 4 access 6 button joystick would you be able to integrate joystick support as an optional input? you could have the trigger button 1 to fire main weapon and you could assign one of the other 5 buttons for any other weapons you can use:)_ --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi Dark, Actually, there is an important difference here. When you press alt+control+o to launch Outlook Express it launches a new instance of the program. What makes pinning programs to the Task Bar special is if the application is running pressing the hot key for the application will immediately take you to that open window instead of launching a new instance of the program. So if you have Internet Explorer and Notepad open, and they are assigned to Windows+1 and Windows++2, you can jump back and forth between them by pressing those hot keys regardless of how many other windows are open or how many other programs are running on your Task Bar so its not the same old thing in a different form Its actually more useful as it serves a duel purpose.. Cheers! On 5/1/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Though practically speaking I see that as one of the less good points in windows 7-8, since I have already created shortcut keys on desktop icons that do the same thing, eg, I press ctrl alt o for outlook express. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi Dark, No, UI Automation wouldn't effect Dosbox one way or another because Dosbox doesn't use the Windows API which is precisely why it doesn't work in the first place. UI Automation is simply a bridge between Windows applications built using the standard Windows API and adaptive technologies such as screen readers. In order to make Dosbox work it has to be rewritten from the ground up using standard Windows GUI components which probably isn't going to happen any time soon. Cheers! On 5/1/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. Those do sound useful features, which is exactly what I was arguing in favour of, and what windows 7 does not have (I like the sound of the ui business), but it was however just this sort of thing I was asking about when I started this topic in the first place since such advantages might! make it worth a persons' time to upgrade even if that does mean abandoning certain old games or having to run them in a virtual machine. Btw, does this ui automation thingy also work for emulators like dosbox? if so, then that would deffinately be a plus. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi Dark, if you can get to an Apple store you can try a Mac to your heart's content. :) Also, if you run a virtual machine, you do not need virus protection. YOu back up your VM and if something happens to it, you simply throw it away and bring up the backup. Since you're not running Windows on a partition, you're not exposing your boot sector. HTH Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On May 1, 2013, at 5:34 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. Well I will have a look at the mack alternative, provided I can actually try one first, and particularly see virtual xp working for backwards compatibility, however on the security front, that to me is technical specks rather than practical good. If I can run windows xp with an antivirus and be fine, well it's secure enough. Again, I think this comes down to an instrumental view of computers, looking at what they do rather than their stats. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi Dark, Since you insist on appraising Windows 7 totally on the basis of benefits here are some benefits to consider. They may be important to you or not but here are some things to consider all the same. 1. UI Automation. As mentioned earlier this is a new API available for Windows 7 and Windows 8 users that will revolutionize the way screen readers work with both the operating system and newer Windows applications. Since the technology is only available on newer Windows platforms those who choose to stick with XP will not be able to obtain and use newer applications written using this new API. 2. Improved security. Besides User Account Control there are a number of free tools to protect your Windows 7 system free of viruses and other malware including Microsoft Security Essentials, Windows Defender, as well as security fixes for many other vulnerabilities. 3. Internet Explorer 10. The web is changing and HTML 5 is becoming more standardized across the web and you may need a current web browser like Internet Explorer 10 to stay up to date and compatible with the Internet. Plus Internet Explorer 10 is faster and more secure than older versions. 4. Improved stability. One thing Microsoft did right with Windows 7 is they took the OS and removed a lot of legacy code that had been in the OS for several years, did some performance tuning, and as a result turned out a faster and more stable OS. To give you an example of this in action I have here a desktop PC with a 3 GHZ Intel Pentium IV processor, 2 GB of ram, etc. I put Windows XP on it with service pack 3 with all the latest updates and the system ran sort of slow. I erased XP and put Windows 7 on it and there was a dramatic improvement in performance. It booted twice as fast, shutdown twice as fast, and applications seemed to load faster. It crashed less and was arguably the more stable of the two. 5. Improved search capabilities. The new search capabilities of Windows 7 are nothing short of great. You can type in the name of a setting like UAC into the search box, press enter, and it will take you immediately to the dialog box to configure your User Account Control Settings. If you want to launch a program like Notepad quickly you can press the Windows key and type Notepad into the search field, press enter, and it will load Notepad for you. You can press the Windows key,type a web address into the search field, and it will open it in Internet Explorer. If you know the name of a file you can type the name of the file into the search field and have it automatically find and open said file. I us the search field so much I forget the Programs menu is there and half the time don't even bother looking in my Home directory for files because the search field does it all. 6. Pinning apps to the Task Bar. As previously mentioned on list what I love about this feature if I know the hot key for a specific application window I can just press Windows+1 through Windows+0 to jump to and from all the applications I have running rather than alt+tabbing through each and every window that happens to be open. This is one of those features that might not sound like much, but once you get use to having it you will greatly appreciate it. These are just a few benefits that a person might consider when upgrading to Windows 7. The basic thing I want to point out here is contrary to what some people have been saying Windows 7 is not just a new UI and that's it. A lot of time and work has gone into the OS and was a drastic improvement over Windows Vista and in many cases some things were improved over XP too. I realize you may have had some bad experiences, but I don't know if that was simply your unfamiliarity with the OS or just the fact you went into it expecting disappointment, but I for one really am happy with Windows 7. I really do believe the benefits out weigh the cons here. As for Valiant's assertion that it takes hours to learn the Windos 7 interface I think that comes down to a person's technical skills. I installed Windows 7 and had no troubles adapting to it myself. It only took me a couple of hours to get use to the OS and figure out where everything was. After that it was smooth sailing ever since. All the same I think everyone needs to have enough time to get acquainted with an OS before they make a decision about it. Cheers! On 5/1/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi valllient. i'm afraid that taking more than several hours with the windows 7 interface is precisely my point, particularly compared to sighted users who can instantly see and click. As I said, that people can! use windows 7's display I don't dispute, my issue is why should! people bother if the system doesn't actually have any bennifits over xp other than having a funkier interface. it's like this. If you walk a mile to the station, and your local counsel (or whatever local authorities are called in your part of the world), open a new road that you could use to get to the
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy rate?
Ian, Obviously, games which have nearly all of the content hosted only on the server, such as muds, are much more piracy proof, but there are a lot of shades of grey in between fully server side and fully client side. Yes, there will always be ways to hack game executables, but some are a lot harder than others. One of the easiest ways is to use some form of downloadable content, with unique crypto keys per client and per account. The idea would be that when it's time to play chapter 2 for the first time, you have to download and decrypt the chapter from the server, and the encryption is tied to your account. You give the file to somebody else, it doesn't work. You give your keys to somebody else, it doesn't work. You hack out the little piece of code that does authentication, and you can no longer decrypt the file, and it doesn't work. There's a lot of weaker ways of handling things too, and no sane developer would expect any of these to be perfect - they merely have to be hard enough to work around that it isn't easy to just give the crack to someone else. If LeetHacker6 manages to crack and decrypt the game, that's fine - but if he can't easily give the crack to other people, it's not going to be as big a problem as just posting valid keys to a bulletin board. The final piece of the puzzle is that all of this stuff has to be completely invisible to real players. Real players buy the game, start it up, and want to play. If the protections fail or go stupid, all the player knows is that the game sucks and won't work right. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Ian Reed supp...@blindaudiogames.com wrote: Hi Dennis, You said: This is why I won't bother to produce any standalone games unless I intend to give them away. Anyone who thinks they can sell standalone games without strong 'phone home' server authorization and make money is fooling themselves. I say: Very interesting comment. I'd like to break down the strong 'phone home' server authorization term to understand it better. Obviously game clients that require a server in order to play are very piracy proof. Your Alter Aeon is a good example of this though you do not charge for player accounts, but if you did it should be easy to ensure any created account had to be paid for. Were you also implying that a standalone game that for instance, contacts a server every time it is opened and does not let someone play unless the server could be contacted would be pirated less than one that just uses an unlock code? Or did the line stop with a game client that actually requires the server to play? From things I read ages ago I got the impression that a game could be patched to take out the small bit of logic that contacts the server just as elete hackers can reverse engineer your executable to see what key generation scheme you use. If that is the case then I don't know of any anti piracy mechanism that would stop elete hackers except for the game really being on the server and the player only having access to the client. And if piracy rates are as high as you say it is a pretty difficult problem. Ian Reed --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi, Not only that, but if you are not putting your Windows VM on the Internet then your chances of getting a virus or some other nasty piece of malware is slim. If your VM is not exposed to high risk situations like Internet sites, email infections, etc then it will probably be pretty safe, and if it gets nuked by a virus as Cara said delete the VM and copy over a new one. Cheers! On 5/1/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Hi Dark, if you can get to an Apple store you can try a Mac to your heart's content. :) Also, if you run a virtual machine, you do not need virus protection. YOu back up your VM and if something happens to it, you simply throw it away and bring up the backup. Since you're not running Windows on a partition, you're not exposing your boot sector. HTH Cara :) --- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi Dallas, Agreed. It is sort of amusing because as you said Microsoft has stuck with the XP look and feel for so long that users forgot what it was like to go from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95 or from Windows 98 to XP. Both offered major changes in the user interface and I don't remember people screaming quite as loudly or as fanatically as they are over Windows 7 and Windows8. However, what I think they need is a point of comparison. As you pointed out is that other operating systems haven't stood still or been quite as static as Windows has been for the last ten or so years. The Linux graphical desktop environments like Gnome have constantly been updating and evolving little by little until we have something completely different from what we had ten ore more years ago. Today Gnome 3.8 is as different from Gnome 2.8 as Windows 8 is from XP, but that change was gradual rather than over night. There was some grumbling on the Orca list when Gnome whent from Gnome 2.32 to 3.0, but those were mainly over access issues rather than the UI changes. This might sound a bit harsh,but I think Windows users are a bit spoiled by the fact Microsoft chose to keep their user interface as long as they have. Apple, Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, and pretty much anybody who is anyone has been changing their user interfaces from version to version and Microsoft just chose to hit their customers all at once rather than ease them into it the way other software companies have. On 5/1/13, Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com wrote: It's kind of ironic. Apple in a lot of ways, invented what we now know as windows. Microsoft actually use the ideas that apple used originally. Mind you, Apple didn't invent it either really. They technically got it from Xerox. LOL. So blame Xerox. The interesting thing about this, is that people are complaining about how different windows 8 is to Windows 7 and earlier. Because Microsoft didn't change very much in Windows for so long, So the change now has come as somewhat of a shock to some people. Especially those that have been using windows for some time. Of course, Apple has been changing continually, over a long period of time, making small changes here and there, so as not to make it such a jarring experience. Microsoft has made the mistake, of waiting too long before making a change to windows in a major way. Whereas Apple has done it slowly over about 10 years. It's kind of amusing, to hear people talking about 32-bit and 64-bit Windows, and what software can run on one and what can't run on the other. Because, quite simply, Apple made the choice to go permanently 64-bit. Because of this, they don't tend to have this kind of problem. About the only thing that doesn't run now, Would be older apps designed for the old processes. So Apple have in fact made the jump to 64-bit completely, whereas windows is still again, a kind of half way measure, where you can do both. It would be so much simpler, if Microsoft would do the same. Make everything 64-bit, if you want support for anything else, you will have to use emulators, or an old computer. And in fact, from all the information we have got now, the next major version of windows, is going to do Exactly that. There will be no 32-bit version. And it's about time. LOL. All of our computers that we have bought for the last six years or more, minus the netbooks, are 64-bit capable. So there is no reason to hold back, and keep using 32-bit versions of windows. Of course, this was done for compatibility, with older programs. But what is being said now, is 99% of everything that is out there now, is either a 32-bit program, or a 64-bit program. There is little reason to stay in a 32-bit operating system from here on in. Regards: Dallas --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi James, FYI it is called Linux not Linnex. Just thought you might want to know the proper spelling. Do you hav a distribution in mind? Cheers! On 5/1/13, James Bartlett jab8...@gmail.com wrote: Hi because of all the stuff I've seen mS put there costumers throu the years and just getting tyred of them pushing there stuff on people I'm making the move to Linnex. It will take some time getting use to, but I started with windows at one point not knowing nothing and I can do the same with Linnex. bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi Scott, No. UI Automation is strictly speaking only available for Windows 7 and Windows 8.. I'm not sure if Microsoft has plans of making it available for Windows Vista, but I know they have no plans to make it available for XP. Given the fact XP is about to be dropped anyway I can't say I am too surprised. Cheers! On 5/1/13, Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Tom, Very quick question which isn't particularly game related but would be good to know. Is UI Automation backward compatible in any way? I'm asking from the point of view of someone who finds themselves writing to plugin developers quite often to see whether there's any interest in improving the accessibility of their plugins. Should I be directing them to documentation on UI Automation instead of exposing their GUI via MSAA? Cheers Scott --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi Stephen, Yes, it does. UI Automation was initially developed and released for Windows 7, but naturally is included on Windows 8 as a part of the new OS as well. On 5/1/13, Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net wrote: Doesn't UIA automation work on windows 7 too? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi Dallas, Yes, I know that. The issue in question was comparing Windows 8 to Windows XP not Windows 8 to Windows 7. So from that perspective pinning apps to the Task Bar is certainly a Windows 8 thing from the point of view of a XP user. :D Cheers! On 5/1/13, Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com wrote: Note. You could pin apps to the taskbar in Windows 7 as well. LOL. That is not a windows 8 thing. Regards: Dallas --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi Tom, Thanks, good to know. So then, what would happen for a screen reader user who was attempting to use a program under XP if a developer had gone with UI Automation as their accessibility API? Do the screen readers have some way of bridging the gap between UI Automation and MSAA, or would that program just be seen as being inaccessible? Doesn't affect me directly seeing as I'm already running 7, but thought it was worth asking. I haven't yet heard of any programs that are accessible in 7 and 8 but totally unusable in XP, so just trying to get my head around the implications. Cheers Scott On 5/1/13, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Scott, No. UI Automation is strictly speaking only available for Windows 7 and Windows 8.. I'm not sure if Microsoft has plans of making it available for Windows Vista, but I know they have no plans to make it available for XP. Given the fact XP is about to be dropped anyway I can't say I am too surprised. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Fantastic article on game piracy, everyone should read
That was a great article. Thanks for posting it. Amazing to see how bad the numbers are just as Dennis said. And the article also pointed out the trend toward online games which seem the only way to really stop pirates. The concept of trying to inconvenience pirates more than paying users is a good one though I think we quickly hit the limits of what is legal and ethical. Ian Reed On 5/1/2013 7:26 AM, Draconis wrote: Hello all, Ironically, this article just came up in my RSS feeds, and I highly recommend reading it. Sheer brilliance. http://www.greenheartgames.com/2013/04/29/what-happens-when-pirates-play-a-game-development-simulator-and-then-go-bankrupt-because-of-piracy/ --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy rate?
Hi Dennis, Thanks for taking the time to explain that further. I found it very enlightening. I guess there are ways I had not thought about to further secure a client side game. Much appreciated, Ian Reed On 5/1/2013 9:41 AM, Dennis Towne wrote: Ian, Obviously, games which have nearly all of the content hosted only on the server, such as muds, are much more piracy proof, but there are a lot of shades of grey in between fully server side and fully client side. Yes, there will always be ways to hack game executables, but some are a lot harder than others. One of the easiest ways is to use some form of downloadable content, with unique crypto keys per client and per account. The idea would be that when it's time to play chapter 2 for the first time, you have to download and decrypt the chapter from the server, and the encryption is tied to your account. You give the file to somebody else, it doesn't work. You give your keys to somebody else, it doesn't work. You hack out the little piece of code that does authentication, and you can no longer decrypt the file, and it doesn't work. There's a lot of weaker ways of handling things too, and no sane developer would expect any of these to be perfect - they merely have to be hard enough to work around that it isn't easy to just give the crack to someone else. If LeetHacker6 manages to crack and decrypt the game, that's fine - but if he can't easily give the crack to other people, it's not going to be as big a problem as just posting valid keys to a bulletin board. The final piece of the puzzle is that all of this stuff has to be completely invisible to real players. Real players buy the game, start it up, and want to play. If the protections fail or go stupid, all the player knows is that the game sucks and won't work right. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Ian Reed supp...@blindaudiogames.com wrote: Hi Dennis, You said: This is why I won't bother to produce any standalone games unless I intend to give them away. Anyone who thinks they can sell standalone games without strong 'phone home' server authorization and make money is fooling themselves. I say: Very interesting comment. I'd like to break down the strong 'phone home' server authorization term to understand it better. Obviously game clients that require a server in order to play are very piracy proof. Your Alter Aeon is a good example of this though you do not charge for player accounts, but if you did it should be easy to ensure any created account had to be paid for. Were you also implying that a standalone game that for instance, contacts a server every time it is opened and does not let someone play unless the server could be contacted would be pirated less than one that just uses an unlock code? Or did the line stop with a game client that actually requires the server to play? From things I read ages ago I got the impression that a game could be patched to take out the small bit of logic that contacts the server just as elete hackers can reverse engineer your executable to see what key generation scheme you use. If that is the case then I don't know of any anti piracy mechanism that would stop elete hackers except for the game really being on the server and the player only having access to the client. And if piracy rates are as high as you say it is a pretty difficult problem. Ian Reed --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Yes I do know that little tidbit, but I was just joking around l o l. I was just trying to add a little huommer to the topic. I think that some people are missunderstanding what Dark was trying to say. He's not pointing the finger at the programers. Just at MS for not thinking things out like all ways. They did the same thing back with windows 2000 that had so many bugs it wasn't funny. then what they do they fix the problems and no time later they releassed the same produck, but just by a different name. Hello windows mE. then they did the same thing with vista and 7. they are the same thing just with all the bugs worked out, and now they have win 8. witch to me just is not screen reader friendlyI'm running jaws 14 that was made for win 8 and it is still a pain in the but. I think what Dark was trying to do here was bring us togetheras a community and try to solv this problem as far as not being abel to run 16 bit games anymore. bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Help in Alter Aeon?
Ok, so I finally decided to try this game last night and I've created a Mage/Cleric character. Bt I'm having a problem in the graveyard quest. I found what I believe is the secret treasure room where there's a whip on a pedestal bt I can't seem to get it. It says something about binding and getting it by name. So I'm at a loss for what to do. -- But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Help in Alter Aeon?
I'm not sure exactly what item you're talking about (it's been a while since I've been there), but you could try one of a few things. In order to pick up a binding item you need to know one of it's names. For example, get whip ped instead of get all ped. If you can't guess one of the names of the object (andd there should be a few obvious ones, seeing as it's in the newbie zone), then try emptying the container, and see if the item's ground string (type look once it's emptied) gives you some extra hints. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Wed, 01 May 2013 12:46:28 -0600 Subject: [Audyssey] Help in Alter Aeon? Ok, so I finally decided to try this game last night and I've created a Mage/Cleric character. Bt I'm having a problem in the graveyard quest. I found what I believe is the secret treasure room where there's a whip on a pedestal bt I can't seem to get it. It says something about binding and getting it by name. So I'm at a loss for what to do. -- But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
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Re: [Audyssey] Help in Alter Aeon?
say take whip pedastal - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:46 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Help in Alter Aeon? Ok, so I finally decided to try this game last night and I've created a Mage/Cleric character. Bt I'm having a problem in the graveyard quest. I found what I believe is the secret treasure room where there's a whip on a pedestal bt I can't seem to get it. It says something about binding and getting it by name. So I'm at a loss for what to do. -- But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hello this is something that a a lot of people don't know about Mr.gates, But do you know that he has anarest rackerd. I Found it back like 6years ago. I don't know what it was for, but it was def his mug shot. it looked to me to be from the 70s. I'll never forget that smile and those big nerdy glasses. Even thoe I'll never be abel to see again that pitcher will all ways be burnt in to my brain. l o l bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Help in Alter Aeon?
Hello have you tried to type get or take whip? oh and I sergest that you level your necro or war next there 2 realy good classes to have for fighting. Hope to see you in game James a. k. a. Caspero -- From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 2:46 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Help in Alter Aeon? Ok, so I finally decided to try this game last night and I've created a Mage/Cleric character. Bt I'm having a problem in the graveyard quest. I found what I believe is the secret treasure room where there's a whip on a pedestal bt I can't seem to get it. It says something about binding and getting it by name. So I'm at a loss for what to do. -- But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Help in Alter Aeon?
Exactly. I eventually had to type get whip ped. But now I'm trying to locate the Ancient Necromancer and the Vampiress, but I've explored everywhere ithe Masoleum or so it seems. But thou must! On 5/1/2013 1:29 PM, James Bartlett wrote: Hello have you tried to type get or take whip? oh and I sergest that you level your necro or war next there 2 realy good classes to have for fighting. Hope to see you in game James a. k. a. Caspero -- From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 2:46 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Help in Alter Aeon? Ok, so I finally decided to try this game last night and I've created a Mage/Cleric character. Bt I'm having a problem in the graveyard quest. I found what I believe is the secret treasure room where there's a whip on a pedestal bt I can't seem to get it. It says something about binding and getting it by name. So I'm at a loss for what to do. -- But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] win7/win8 looking for help resources
Hi Gang, After reading thrut he emails, I think that in the end, Tom is correct. As much as I like XP, and enjoy my desktop and all the things I know how to do with it, I fear there is no real choice. Eventually, sooner rather then later, audio Game developers need to advance their technology, which emans we, if we wish to continue playing games, will also have to do so as well. It isn't a matter of if, but when. And when is just around the corner. So I am going to do it. I am going to upgrade, and get a 64 bit computer with the bells and whistles and tackle working with win8. So I am asking for information on or off list if people could provide useful resources for someone to learn all about how to use windows 8, and what hardware I should consider. Is a touch screen going to be useful? I use outlook express, is that windows live mail, whatever that is, a good replacement? what would people recommend for a medium to high end processor, hard drive and ram? Is there a list somewhere of games that do not work on windows 8 which still work on win xp? It just seems so overwhelming. I am assumeing nvda has no problem on win 8? I am hoping I can get jaws up to it's current version, but that is sounding like it may be problematic from what I have been reading. Thanks anyone and everyone for your help in advance. al The truth will set you free Jesus Christ of Nazareth 33A.D. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Kindle improving accessibility
Hi all, I just did an update on my Kindle app on my iPad. The writeup indicated that it improved accessibility to blind and VI users. I have not had a chance to check it out, but wanted to let you all know that Kindle apps on Apple Products might be more accessible than they have previously been. I don't know if it will extend to the games that are able to be played on a Kindle or not, but at least it is a start by the company toward improving their products. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
I'm sorry, but I don't see how just because jaws can't access windows eight correctly, that it means windows eight is in accessible. Due to the fact that NVDA works with it perfectly well, and yes, I have tested jaws 14 myself. And I agree, JAWS 14 is hopeless in windows eight. But I don't think that that is Windows as a problem, I believe that that is Freedom scientific, saying that they have adapted the program for windows eight, when in actual fact, when I have tested it, it has very little access to the new functions of windows eight at all. So I would hazard a guess, that if you tried something like NVDA, I would think that you would find windows eight as accessible, if not more so, then other versions. Regards: Dallas On 02/05/2013, at 4:45, James Bartlett jab8...@gmail.com wrote: Yes I do know that little tidbit, but I was just joking around l o l. I was just trying to add a little huommer to the topic. I think that some people are missunderstanding what Dark was trying to say. He's not pointing the finger at the programers. Just at MS for not thinking things out like all ways. They did the same thing back with windows 2000 that had so many bugs it wasn't funny. then what they do they fix the problems and no time later they releassed the same produck, but just by a different name. Hello windows mE. then they did the same thing with vista and 7. they are the same thing just with all the bugs worked out, and now they have win 8. witch to me just is not screen reader friendlyI'm running jaws 14 that was made for win 8 and it is still a pain in the but. I think what Dark was trying to do here was bring us togetheras a community and try to solv this problem as far as not being abel to run 16 bit games anymore. bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Stopping message popups in Alter Aeon?
Is it possible to do this? It gets distracting to hear other people talking while i'm trying to hear the descroption of the area. LOL. -- But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Exactly, and although I have yet to use a Mac to any great extent, I can see the benefits of how their Scheme works. Upgrade slowly, get the users used to something slowly, so that it's not a jarring experience. And of course means, that they don't tend to bring in new features very quickly, but it means that the system is continually evolving, and not staying static for 10 years. Regards: Dallas On 02/05/2013, at 2:04, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dallas, Agreed. It is sort of amusing because as you said Microsoft has stuck with the XP look and feel for so long that users forgot what it was like to go from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95 or from Windows 98 to XP. Both offered major changes in the user interface and I don't remember people screaming quite as loudly or as fanatically as they are over Windows 7 and Windows8. However, what I think they need is a point of comparison. As you pointed out is that other operating systems haven't stood still or been quite as static as Windows has been for the last ten or so years. The Linux graphical desktop environments like Gnome have constantly been updating and evolving little by little until we have something completely different from what we had ten ore more years ago. Today Gnome 3.8 is as different from Gnome 2.8 as Windows 8 is from XP, but that change was gradual rather than over night. There was some grumbling on the Orca list when Gnome whent from Gnome 2.32 to 3.0, but those were mainly over access issues rather than the UI changes. This might sound a bit harsh,but I think Windows users are a bit spoiled by the fact Microsoft chose to keep their user interface as long as they have. Apple, Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, and pretty much anybody who is anyone has been changing their user interfaces from version to version and Microsoft just chose to hit their customers all at once rather than ease them into it the way other software companies have. On 5/1/13, Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com wrote: It's kind of ironic. Apple in a lot of ways, invented what we now know as windows. Microsoft actually use the ideas that apple used originally. Mind you, Apple didn't invent it either really. They technically got it from Xerox. LOL. So blame Xerox. The interesting thing about this, is that people are complaining about how different windows 8 is to Windows 7 and earlier. Because Microsoft didn't change very much in Windows for so long, So the change now has come as somewhat of a shock to some people. Especially those that have been using windows for some time. Of course, Apple has been changing continually, over a long period of time, making small changes here and there, so as not to make it such a jarring experience. Microsoft has made the mistake, of waiting too long before making a change to windows in a major way. Whereas Apple has done it slowly over about 10 years. It's kind of amusing, to hear people talking about 32-bit and 64-bit Windows, and what software can run on one and what can't run on the other. Because, quite simply, Apple made the choice to go permanently 64-bit. Because of this, they don't tend to have this kind of problem. About the only thing that doesn't run now, Would be older apps designed for the old processes. So Apple have in fact made the jump to 64-bit completely, whereas windows is still again, a kind of half way measure, where you can do both. It would be so much simpler, if Microsoft would do the same. Make everything 64-bit, if you want support for anything else, you will have to use emulators, or an old computer. And in fact, from all the information we have got now, the next major version of windows, is going to do Exactly that. There will be no 32-bit version. And it's about time. LOL. All of our computers that we have bought for the last six years or more, minus the netbooks, are 64-bit capable. So there is no reason to hold back, and keep using 32-bit versions of windows. Of course, this was done for compatibility, with older programs. But what is being said now, is 99% of everything that is out there now, is either a 32-bit program, or a 64-bit program. There is little reason to stay in a 32-bit operating system from here on in. Regards: Dallas --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
Re: [Audyssey] Stopping message popups in Alter Aeon?
Just turn off the channels you don't want to here. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Wed, 01 May 2013 14:53:38 -0600 Subject: [Audyssey] Stopping message popups in Alter Aeon? Is it possible to do this? It gets distracting to hear other people talking while i'm trying to hear the descroption of the area. LOL. -- But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Stopping message popups in Alter Aeon?
How do you do this. I did read the readme but I didn't see that, unless I just missed it. But thou must! On 5/1/2013 3:29 PM, john wrote: Just turn off the channels you don't want to here. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Wed, 01 May 2013 14:53:38 -0600 Subject: [Audyssey] Stopping message popups in Alter Aeon? Is it possible to do this? It gets distracting to hear other people talking while i'm trying to hear the descroption of the area. LOL. -- But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Stopping message popups in Alter Aeon?
typehelp channel to get more help. Type gossip to turn off the gossip channel. type newbie to turn off the newbie channel. type auction to turn off the auction channel. I think you get the gist. Ian Reed On 5/1/2013 3:32 PM, Bryan Peterson wrote: How do you do this. I did read the readme but I didn't see that, unless I just missed it. But thou must! On 5/1/2013 3:29 PM, john wrote: Just turn off the channels you don't want to here. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Wed, 01 May 2013 14:53:38 -0600 Subject: [Audyssey] Stopping message popups in Alter Aeon? Is it possible to do this? It gets distracting to hear other people talking while i'm trying to hear the descroption of the area. LOL. -- But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Stopping message popups in Alter Aeon?
Oh, you can also type this: newbie how do I turn off the chat channels? which will send a chat message to the newbie channel. There are always Alter Aeon gurus hanging around to answer questions including Dentin sometimes. Ian Reed --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] bavisoft
Hi. is it worth it even trying to install the bavisoft games on win7? I have a new system and am slowly moving things over. Ofcause I still use this old one quite heavily. is there any worth in loading g or chillingham on the new box? I may as well know before I do that. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] bavisoft
Hey Shawn I played them on my laptop which is a digital audio work station and they seemed to work fine. I did remove them because I got another computer with xp on it. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 3:30 PM Subject: [Audyssey] bavisoft Hi. is it worth it even trying to install the bavisoft games on win7? I have a new system and am slowly moving things over. Ofcause I still use this old one quite heavily. is there any worth in loading g or chillingham on the new box? I may as well know before I do that. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Fantastic article on game piracy, everyone should read
well josh I just read the article and I get it where he is coming from. To be honest I am not going after the little guys although some may get in the way but thats just bad luck more than anything, the big companies that price through the roof and licencing unfairly are my targets. They don't want to talk. They want to sue and put me in jail. With that knife over my head I have no issue with destroying them totally. hacking them killing them, pirating their stuff. Now if they actually talked like some devs are doing now I actually may reconcider I am a user to but really this article does tell you that something needs to change. That change is for everyone from those making cash to the users. I am not sure how but if all the big guys do is attack no wander no one really has sympathy for them. In most cases I do intend to buy something your demo may be to short and I may need more time than a month, I may need 6 months for example. I have a list of stuff some I own some I have aquired alegally. and if I like something I will buy it eventually but I don't have an infinate store of cash either. Some of them in fact a large majority of my list is now opensource or so low use that I don't concider buying just yet though I am always looking. Some stuff I have already brought. I do think drm and other things are bad ideas though. At 01:26 AM 5/2/2013, you wrote: Hello all, Ironically, this article just came up in my RSS feeds, and I highly recommend reading it. Sheer brilliance. http://www.greenheartgames.com/2013/04/29/what-happens-when-pirates-play-a-game-development-simulator-and-then-go-bankrupt-because-of-piracy/ --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
well thats a good point for vms keeping your host os secure is fine. At 03:16 AM 5/2/2013, you wrote: Hi Dark, if you can get to an Apple store you can try a Mac to your heart's content. :) Also, if you run a virtual machine, you do not need virus protection. YOu back up your VM and if something happens to it, you simply throw it away and bring up the backup. Since you're not running Windows on a partition, you're not exposing your boot sector. HTH Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On May 1, 2013, at 5:34 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. Well I will have a look at the mack alternative, provided I can actually try one first, and particularly see virtual xp working for backwards compatibility, however on the security front, that to me is technical specks rather than practical good. If I can run windows xp with an antivirus and be fine, well it's secure enough. Again, I think this comes down to an instrumental view of computers, looking at what they do rather than their stats. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
I aggree with you on that tom. I am still working on xp and 7 on 2 laptops. I have not done to much gaming on the 7 box though as I have spent most of my time sorting out files. At 03:40 AM 5/2/2013, you wrote: Hi Dark, Since you insist on appraising Windows 7 totally on the basis of benefits here are some benefits to consider. They may be important to you or not but here are some things to consider all the same. 1. UI Automation. As mentioned earlier this is a new API available for Windows 7 and Windows 8 users that will revolutionize the way screen readers work with both the operating system and newer Windows applications. Since the technology is only available on newer Windows platforms those who choose to stick with XP will not be able to obtain and use newer applications written using this new API. 2. Improved security. Besides User Account Control there are a number of free tools to protect your Windows 7 system free of viruses and other malware including Microsoft Security Essentials, Windows Defender, as well as security fixes for many other vulnerabilities. 3. Internet Explorer 10. The web is changing and HTML 5 is becoming more standardized across the web and you may need a current web browser like Internet Explorer 10 to stay up to date and compatible with the Internet. Plus Internet Explorer 10 is faster and more secure than older versions. 4. Improved stability. One thing Microsoft did right with Windows 7 is they took the OS and removed a lot of legacy code that had been in the OS for several years, did some performance tuning, and as a result turned out a faster and more stable OS. To give you an example of this in action I have here a desktop PC with a 3 GHZ Intel Pentium IV processor, 2 GB of ram, etc. I put Windows XP on it with service pack 3 with all the latest updates and the system ran sort of slow. I erased XP and put Windows 7 on it and there was a dramatic improvement in performance. It booted twice as fast, shutdown twice as fast, and applications seemed to load faster. It crashed less and was arguably the more stable of the two. 5. Improved search capabilities. The new search capabilities of Windows 7 are nothing short of great. You can type in the name of a setting like UAC into the search box, press enter, and it will take you immediately to the dialog box to configure your User Account Control Settings. If you want to launch a program like Notepad quickly you can press the Windows key and type Notepad into the search field, press enter, and it will load Notepad for you. You can press the Windows key,type a web address into the search field, and it will open it in Internet Explorer. If you know the name of a file you can type the name of the file into the search field and have it automatically find and open said file. I us the search field so much I forget the Programs menu is there and half the time don't even bother looking in my Home directory for files because the search field does it all. 6. Pinning apps to the Task Bar. As previously mentioned on list what I love about this feature if I know the hot key for a specific application window I can just press Windows+1 through Windows+0 to jump to and from all the applications I have running rather than alt+tabbing through each and every window that happens to be open. This is one of those features that might not sound like much, but once you get use to having it you will greatly appreciate it. These are just a few benefits that a person might consider when upgrading to Windows 7. The basic thing I want to point out here is contrary to what some people have been saying Windows 7 is not just a new UI and that's it. A lot of time and work has gone into the OS and was a drastic improvement over Windows Vista and in many cases some things were improved over XP too. I realize you may have had some bad experiences, but I don't know if that was simply your unfamiliarity with the OS or just the fact you went into it expecting disappointment, but I for one really am happy with Windows 7. I really do believe the benefits out weigh the cons here. As for Valiant's assertion that it takes hours to learn the Windos 7 interface I think that comes down to a person's technical skills. I installed Windows 7 and had no troubles adapting to it myself. It only took me a couple of hours to get use to the OS and figure out where everything was. After that it was smooth sailing ever since. All the same I think everyone needs to have enough time to get acquainted with an OS before they make a decision about it. Cheers! On 5/1/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi valllient. i'm afraid that taking more than several hours with the windows 7 interface is precisely my point, particularly compared to sighted users who can instantly see and click. As I said, that people can! use windows 7's display I don't dispute, my issue is why should! people bother if the system doesn't actually have any bennifits over xp other than having a
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hmmm I would aggree with ou tomas but really, my issue is that ms just banged changes on us. If it was slowly done then maybe it wouldn't matter. At 04:04 AM 5/2/2013, you wrote: Hi Dallas, Agreed. It is sort of amusing because as you said Microsoft has stuck with the XP look and feel for so long that users forgot what it was like to go from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95 or from Windows 98 to XP. Both offered major changes in the user interface and I don't remember people screaming quite as loudly or as fanatically as they are over Windows 7 and Windows8. However, what I think they need is a point of comparison. As you pointed out is that other operating systems haven't stood still or been quite as static as Windows has been for the last ten or so years. The Linux graphical desktop environments like Gnome have constantly been updating and evolving little by little until we have something completely different from what we had ten ore more years ago. Today Gnome 3.8 is as different from Gnome 2.8 as Windows 8 is from XP, but that change was gradual rather than over night. There was some grumbling on the Orca list when Gnome whent from Gnome 2.32 to 3.0, but those were mainly over access issues rather than the UI changes. This might sound a bit harsh,but I think Windows users are a bit spoiled by the fact Microsoft chose to keep their user interface as long as they have. Apple, Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, and pretty much anybody who is anyone has been changing their user interfaces from version to version and Microsoft just chose to hit their customers all at once rather than ease them into it the way other software companies have. On 5/1/13, Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com wrote: It's kind of ironic. Apple in a lot of ways, invented what we now know as windows. Microsoft actually use the ideas that apple used originally. Mind you, Apple didn't invent it either really. They technically got it from Xerox. LOL. So blame Xerox. The interesting thing about this, is that people are complaining about how different windows 8 is to Windows 7 and earlier. Because Microsoft didn't change very much in Windows for so long, So the change now has come as somewhat of a shock to some people. Especially those that have been using windows for some time. Of course, Apple has been changing continually, over a long period of time, making small changes here and there, so as not to make it such a jarring experience. Microsoft has made the mistake, of waiting too long before making a change to windows in a major way. Whereas Apple has done it slowly over about 10 years. It's kind of amusing, to hear people talking about 32-bit and 64-bit Windows, and what software can run on one and what can't run on the other. Because, quite simply, Apple made the choice to go permanently 64-bit. Because of this, they don't tend to have this kind of problem. About the only thing that doesn't run now, Would be older apps designed for the old processes. So Apple have in fact made the jump to 64-bit completely, whereas windows is still again, a kind of half way measure, where you can do both. It would be so much simpler, if Microsoft would do the same. Make everything 64-bit, if you want support for anything else, you will have to use emulators, or an old computer. And in fact, from all the information we have got now, the next major version of windows, is going to do Exactly that. There will be no 32-bit version. And it's about time. LOL. All of our computers that we have bought for the last six years or more, minus the netbooks, are 64-bit capable. So there is no reason to hold back, and keep using 32-bit versions of windows. Of course, this was done for compatibility, with older programs. But what is being said now, is 99% of everything that is out there now, is either a 32-bit program, or a 64-bit program. There is little reason to stay in a 32-bit operating system from here on in. Regards: Dallas --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] bavisoft
aah ok. thanks for this. I probably won't be going to 7 for a day or two, burned out sorting and clearing my drive of extranious items. At 10:40 AM 5/2/2013, you wrote: Hey Shawn I played them on my laptop which is a digital audio work station and they seemed to work fine. I did remove them because I got another computer with xp on it. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 3:30 PM Subject: [Audyssey] bavisoft Hi. is it worth it even trying to install the bavisoft games on win7? I have a new system and am slowly moving things over. Ofcause I still use this old one quite heavily. is there any worth in loading g or chillingham on the new box? I may as well know before I do that. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey thread report for April 2013
Hey, 23 messages about my recordings. Hot dog!!! -- Raul A. Gallegos I love strawberry Quik. It's my favorite pink fluid narrowly beating out Pepto-Bismol. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 5/1/2013 3:49 AM, Jim Kitchen wrote: There were 320 thread titles. Here are the top 50. BlindSoftware.com Is Closing 129. challenge for developers, post xp windows 109. An Announcement Regarding BSC Games 73. Children's Games was Audyssey Format 72. A Possible Offer To Consider 65. BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. 62. LOTR Games was Children's Games 55. Gaming Dice 48. Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? 45. Quality verses quantity of games. 40. Sarah beta from 2005 37. unable to run Rail Racer Demo on windows8 34. Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames 32. Can a sighted person play swamp? 31. More on hardware keys was: Re: An AnnouncementRegarding BSC Games 28. News from Blastbay Studios, and a call for opinions 28. I'm sad: Chillingham. 26. Does anyone have Rauls game recordings? 23. Gaming dice 22. genesis 3d? 22. Revisiting dragon pass 22. another community project 21. Corporate VS IndependentDeveloperswasModeratorMessage 18. Puppet nightmares question 18. Organizing the Audyssey Database 17. winkit.zip not a valid file? 17. 2013 Top 25 Websites for Gamers who are Blind 16. ?windows-1252?q?BSC_Games_shutting_down=2C_and_reacti?==?windows-1252?q?ons=85?= 16. lord of the rings game thought - Re: Children'sGames was Audyssey Format 16. My First Impressions of Change Reaction 2 for Windows 16. Chain Reaction 15. Python Games On the Mac? 15. need help with chess 14. New Version of Soundscape Explorer 14. Wow press your luck. 14. Audyssey format discussion -Re: AudysseyMagazineNowOnline 13. captcha 13. franklin Language Master. 13. JIm's battleship. 13. Piracy rate? 13. Audyssey Magazine Now Online 12. BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons 12. Introduction 12. Look Tell game for iOS. 12. Problem registering Ten Pin Alley,can anyone duplicate? 12. Rail Racer 2 info 12. Anymore RPG games? 11. enabling output window in mush z 11. Error when trying to launch entombed. 11. Swamp 2.9 is out just FYI 11. Jim Kitchen's Inc, for games that are up to 110 percent funner to play. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Stopping message popups in Alter Aeon?
You type the channel name you want to turn off, for example gossip. If you need more help, send xorg a tell and i'll see what I can do in-game. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Wed, 01 May 2013 15:32:00 -0600 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Stopping message popups in Alter Aeon? How do you do this. I did read the readme but I didn't see that, unless I just missed it. But thou must! On 5/1/2013 3:29 PM, john wrote: Just turn off the channels you don't want to here. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Wed, 01 May 2013 14:53:38 -0600 Subject: [Audyssey] Stopping message popups in Alter Aeon? Is it possible to do this? It gets distracting to hear other people talking while i'm trying to hear the descroption of the area. LOL. -- But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] bavisoft
Hi Shaun. Yes, you can indeed use your Bavisoft games with Windows 7, however make sure user account control is turned off, also under no circumstances switch windows while playing else the game will crash, this applies to both titles Chillingham and Grizzly Gulch. I found this out to my ost with Chillingham, I decided to play it with a friend on the phone and just as I was about to complete the game, my antivirus decided to update. Needless to say, I was so seriously pissed!!! All the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: shaun everiss Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:30 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] bavisoft Hi. is it worth it even trying to install the bavisoft games on win7? I have a new system and am slowly moving things over. Ofcause I still use this old one quite heavily. is there any worth in loading g or chillingham on the new box? I may as well know before I do that. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Fantastic article on game piracy, everyone should read
I've been trying my level best to ignore this thread in the hopes that it would die, but I don't think there could be a more clear display of what the problem is than the below. Comments inline. On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:50 PM, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well josh I just read the article and I get it where he is coming from. To be honest I am not going after the little guys although some may get in the way but thats just bad luck more than anything, Yeah. Too bad little guy, it was bad luck that you got in shaun's way. Better luck next time. the big companies that price through the roof and licencing unfairly are my targets. If the price is too high, don't buy it. You don't have to buy the product. You don't have to license anything. How is that unfair? They don't want to talk. They want to sue and put me in jail. With that knife over my head I have no issue with destroying them totally. hacking them killing them, pirating their stuff. So let me get this straight: developers have a knife over your head, because you're stealing their stuff and can go to jail for it? And because of this, it's fine to hack them, kill them, and pirate their stuff? Now if they actually talked like some devs are doing now I actually may reconcider I am a user to but really this article does tell you that something needs to change. Yeah. What needs to change is attitudes like yours. [snip] I do think drm and other things are bad ideas though. I think that your post has made it painfully clear as to why developers need to use DRM in the first place. As a developer, I was somewhat on the fence until this set of threads started. I am now firmly and utterly in the DRM camp, and I'll actually point the finger and say that your messages were the ones that convinced me. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] The False Temple in ALer Aeon
Ok, so I'm on the last of the newbie quests. I foud a man sealed in a glasscase and according to the getting started guide on the site itself I need to find a mallet. But for the life of me I can't figure out where to go to find the place it said to look. I've killed a bunch of creatres inside the temple, among tem a red mage and a hill giant. But I haven't see a forge or a laboratory. So any help would be appreciated. -- But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] bavisoft
aah ok. thanks for this. I probably won't be going to 7 for a day or two, burned out sorting and clearing my drive of extranious items. At 10:40 AM 5/2/2013, you wrote: Hey Shawn I played them on my laptop which is a digital audio work station and they seemed to work fine. I did remove them because I got another computer with xp on it. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 3:30 PM Subject: [Audyssey] bavisoft Hi. is it worth it even trying to install the bavisoft games on win7? I have a new system and am slowly moving things over. Ofcause I still use this old one quite heavily. is there any worth in loading g or chillingham on the new box? I may as well know before I do that. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Fantastic article on game piracy, everyone should read
I wonder if he has pirated in the past and continues to do so? If so, he! should! be! nailed! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Dennis Towne s...@xirr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fantastic article on game piracy,everyone should read I've been trying my level best to ignore this thread in the hopes that it would die, but I don't think there could be a more clear display of what the problem is than the below. Comments inline. On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:50 PM, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well josh I just read the article and I get it where he is coming from. To be honest I am not going after the little guys although some may get in the way but thats just bad luck more than anything, Yeah. Too bad little guy, it was bad luck that you got in shaun's way. Better luck next time. the big companies that price through the roof and licencing unfairly are my targets. If the price is too high, don't buy it. You don't have to buy the product. You don't have to license anything. How is that unfair? They don't want to talk. They want to sue and put me in jail. With that knife over my head I have no issue with destroying them totally. hacking them killing them, pirating their stuff. So let me get this straight: developers have a knife over your head, because you're stealing their stuff and can go to jail for it? And because of this, it's fine to hack them, kill them, and pirate their stuff? Now if they actually talked like some devs are doing now I actually may reconcider I am a user to but really this article does tell you that something needs to change. Yeah. What needs to change is attitudes like yours. [snip] I do think drm and other things are bad ideas though. I think that your post has made it painfully clear as to why developers need to use DRM in the first place. As a developer, I was somewhat on the fence until this set of threads started. I am now firmly and utterly in the DRM camp, and I'll actually point the finger and say that your messages were the ones that convinced me. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Newly released, reacting change!
Hello gamers. Welcome to this new audio action puzzle game, the latest release from dropdead entertainment, the same company who brought you such classic audio games as aliens in my backside, mucky business and rusty penny. The object of the game is simple, change as many gamers minds as possible as to what operating system they will use. To do this, various gamers are stacked in 9 piles of 13 each (don't ask how we get them to stay in a stack, it involves nails). Each will say the system they prefer as you arrow over them, systems can be windows, lynux, mac, pocket calculator or abacus, and the gamers' screams of pain (remember the nails?), will increase to indicate the size of the stack. Each turn you must position one gamer atop a stack. Placing 3 or more with a similar preference together, and they will be removed from the game and added to your score. The game also comes with the following mmodes: Limited user base, in which you must convince only a set number of gamers which is the right operating system (the rest don't matter), and dynamite power user, which is the same as the main game accept that any gamers who fail to make their minds up (despite the nails), will be blown up with dynamite. Reacting change may be installed on all platforms, however note that to install the game you must first install a copy of the game, since without a copy of the game already installed it will be impossible to register the files the game needs to install, also note that the game needs to be installed in whatever directory your planning to install the game into, other directories won't work. The game can be perchiced directly from Drop dead entertainment for the small price of ten thousand dollars. This is a reduction from the price of twenty thousand dollars we charged for our previous titles, so though there is no demo of the game we think the price is quite reasonable! For those users who prefer, the game may also be perchiced from the crap store on various systems. Also, we are very proud of the new security system we have for the game, which is not to sell any copies, since that way we will lose nothing to piracy either, and we think this is best for our customers and ourselves. So what are you waiting for! go and download reacting change now, or else! Yours sincerely, john mcslaughter, ceo drop dead entertainment! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Help in Alter Aeon?
Hello do you know if sa works with mush c only I downloaded mush c and installed it but can not connect I think it might have some thing to me not having a clue what I am doing so any help I would be grateful thanks in advance -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of john Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 2:51 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help in Alter Aeon? I'm not sure exactly what item you're talking about (it's been a while since I've been there), but you could try one of a few things. In order to pick up a binding item you need to know one of it's names. For example, get whip ped instead of get all ped. If you can't guess one of the names of the object (andd there should be a few obvious ones, seeing as it's in the newbie zone), then try emptying the container, and see if the item's ground string (type look once it's emptied) gives you some extra hints. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Wed, 01 May 2013 12:46:28 -0600 Subject: [Audyssey] Help in Alter Aeon? Ok, so I finally decided to try this game last night and I've created a Mage/Cleric character. Bt I'm having a problem in the graveyard quest. I found what I believe is the secret treasure room where there's a whip on a pedestal bt I can't seem to get it. It says something about binding and getting it by name. So I'm at a loss for what to do. -- But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] The False Temple in ALer Aeon
In the east west passage that you found the red mage, ther is a northern passage that will end in another east west passage. head east and explore that area. You will find the mallet and some other bad guys to kill. HTH Keith - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 6:58 PM Subject: [Audyssey] The False Temple in ALer Aeon Ok, so I'm on the last of the newbie quests. I foud a man sealed in a glasscase and according to the getting started guide on the site itself I need to find a mallet. But for the life of me I can't figure out where to go to find the place it said to look. I've killed a bunch of creatres inside the temple, among tem a red mage and a hill giant. But I haven't see a forge or a laboratory. So any help would be appreciated. -- But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Newly released, reacting change!
rotfl you funny:) - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 7:23 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Newly released, reacting change! Hello gamers. Welcome to this new audio action puzzle game, the latest release from dropdead entertainment, the same company who brought you such classic audio games as aliens in my backside, mucky business and rusty penny. The object of the game is simple, change as many gamers minds as possible as to what operating system they will use. To do this, various gamers are stacked in 9 piles of 13 each (don't ask how we get them to stay in a stack, it involves nails). Each will say the system they prefer as you arrow over them, systems can be windows, lynux, mac, pocket calculator or abacus, and the gamers' screams of pain (remember the nails?), will increase to indicate the size of the stack. Each turn you must position one gamer atop a stack. Placing 3 or more with a similar preference together, and they will be removed from the game and added to your score. The game also comes with the following mmodes: Limited user base, in which you must convince only a set number of gamers which is the right operating system (the rest don't matter), and dynamite power user, which is the same as the main game accept that any gamers who fail to make their minds up (despite the nails), will be blown up with dynamite. Reacting change may be installed on all platforms, however note that to install the game you must first install a copy of the game, since without a copy of the game already installed it will be impossible to register the files the game needs to install, also note that the game needs to be installed in whatever directory your planning to install the game into, other directories won't work. The game can be perchiced directly from Drop dead entertainment for the small price of ten thousand dollars. This is a reduction from the price of twenty thousand dollars we charged for our previous titles, so though there is no demo of the game we think the price is quite reasonable! For those users who prefer, the game may also be perchiced from the crap store on various systems. Also, we are very proud of the new security system we have for the game, which is not to sell any copies, since that way we will lose nothing to piracy either, and we think this is best for our customers and ourselves. So what are you waiting for! go and download reacting change now, or else! Yours sincerely, john mcslaughter, ceo drop dead entertainment! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi, Agreed. For those users looking to upgrade to Windows 8 I found the Jaws 14 demo to be unsatisfactory compared to free solutions like NVDA which has continued to offer superior access to Windows 8 throughout the betas and now the stable releases. I don't think because Jaws is a poor product that should reflect upon Windows 8 because the access issues said people are experiences is their screen reader not the OS. Window-Eyes 8, for example, has far better support for Windows 8 than Jaws 14, and if people would compare screen readers more often they would see things like that. Cheers! On 5/1/13, Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry, but I don't see how just because jaws can't access windows eight correctly, that it means windows eight is in accessible. Due to the fact that NVDA works with it perfectly well, and yes, I have tested jaws 14 myself. And I agree, JAWS 14 is hopeless in windows eight. But I don't think that that is Windows as a problem, I believe that that is Freedom scientific, saying that they have adapted the program for windows eight, when in actual fact, when I have tested it, it has very little access to the new functions of windows eight at all. So I would hazard a guess, that if you tried something like NVDA, I would think that you would find windows eight as accessible, if not more so, then other versions. Regards: Dallas --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi James, Excuse me here, but what in the blue blazes does that have to do with the topic at hand? Cheers! On 5/1/13, James Bartlett jab8...@gmail.com wrote: Hello this is something that a a lot of people don't know about Mr.gates, But do you know that he has anarest rackerd. I Found it back like 6years ago. I don't know what it was for, but it was def his mug shot. it looked to me to be from the 70s. I'll never forget that smile and those big nerdy glasses. Even thoe I'll never be abel to see again that pitcher will all ways be burnt in to my brain. l o l bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Fantastic article on game piracy, everyone should read
Hi. This was an interesting article. Has anyone figured out how to navigate through the screens on a Windows computer with JAWS? Christina -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Draconis Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 9:26 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Fantastic article on game piracy, everyone should read Hello all, Ironically, this article just came up in my RSS feeds, and I highly recommend reading it. Sheer brilliance. http://www.greenheartgames.com/2013/04/29/what-happens-when-pirates-play-a-g ame-development-simulator-and-then-go-bankrupt-because-of-piracy/ --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Newly released, reacting change!
Hi Dark, Is this funny or vindictive? If it was meant as light hearted then I will admit it is very creative. Otherwise I'd like to point out that most of the content seems in response to a thread that you started by challenging small time indie developers to find a way to keep their games supported on versions of operating systems that Microsoft, a company with at least 1000 developers, has decided to stop supporting. We're just normal people working hard to make games. Nobody is getting rich here. Please try to keep the dialog civil. Ian Reed On 5/1/2013 6:23 PM, dark wrote: Hello gamers. Welcome to this new audio action puzzle game, the latest release from dropdead entertainment, the same company who brought you such classic audio games as aliens in my backside, mucky business and rusty penny. The object of the game is simple, change as many gamers minds as possible as to what operating system they will use. To do this, various gamers are stacked in 9 piles of 13 each (don't ask how we get them to stay in a stack, it involves nails). Each will say the system they prefer as you arrow over them, systems can be windows, lynux, mac, pocket calculator or abacus, and the gamers' screams of pain (remember the nails?), will increase to indicate the size of the stack. Each turn you must position one gamer atop a stack. Placing 3 or more with a similar preference together, and they will be removed from the game and added to your score. The game also comes with the following mmodes: Limited user base, in which you must convince only a set number of gamers which is the right operating system (the rest don't matter), and dynamite power user, which is the same as the main game accept that any gamers who fail to make their minds up (despite the nails), will be blown up with dynamite. Reacting change may be installed on all platforms, however note that to install the game you must first install a copy of the game, since without a copy of the game already installed it will be impossible to register the files the game needs to install, also note that the game needs to be installed in whatever directory your planning to install the game into, other directories won't work. The game can be perchiced directly from Drop dead entertainment for the small price of ten thousand dollars. This is a reduction from the price of twenty thousand dollars we charged for our previous titles, so though there is no demo of the game we think the price is quite reasonable! For those users who prefer, the game may also be perchiced from the crap store on various systems. Also, we are very proud of the new security system we have for the game, which is not to sell any copies, since that way we will lose nothing to piracy either, and we think this is best for our customers and ourselves. So what are you waiting for! go and download reacting change now, or else! Yours sincerely, john mcslaughter, ceo drop dead entertainment! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi Scott, Well, I just did some research on your question and it turns out that service pack 3 for XP contains UI Automation so in answer to your question they should receive the same or equal access as a Windows 8 user when UI Automation is used assuming the screen reader has UI Automation support. That's really the rub here. A lot of people are still running Jaws 7 or something like that which doesn't support UI Automation so even though an XP user can install service pack 3 and get UI Automation support on the OS side of things if their screen reader is out of date it won't matter if UI Automation is available or not as the screen reader won't use it. However, that does sort of bring us back to your original question. What happens if a developer uses UI Automation and either the OS or screen reader doesn't support it? The answer is that Jaws, Window-Eyes, etc will fall back on other means such as video intercept drivers etc to try and determine the WPF controls so the application should still be accessible. Its just that the screen reader won't be able to have as accurate firsthand information from the application itself on what the control is. Cheers! On 5/1/13, Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom, Thanks, good to know. So then, what would happen for a screen reader user who was attempting to use a program under XP if a developer had gone with UI Automation as their accessibility API? Do the screen readers have some way of bridging the gap between UI Automation and MSAA, or would that program just be seen as being inaccessible? Doesn't affect me directly seeing as I'm already running 7, but thought it was worth asking. I haven't yet heard of any programs that are accessible in 7 and 8 but totally unusable in XP, so just trying to get my head around the implications. Cheers Scott --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Newly released, reacting change!
Sounds more vindictive to me, under the guise of trying to be funny. Certainly is creative, although I can think of more productive ways to direct creativity. For the record, Dark, our new registration system is almost entirely transparent to end users. The only additional requirement is an Internet connection. Not that facts seem to trouble you all that much in general. Ian…thanks for the support. On May 1, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Ian Reed supp...@blindaudiogames.com wrote: Hi Dark, Is this funny or vindictive? If it was meant as light hearted then I will admit it is very creative. Otherwise I'd like to point out that most of the content seems in response to a thread that you started by challenging small time indie developers to find a way to keep their games supported on versions of operating systems that Microsoft, a company with at least 1000 developers, has decided to stop supporting. We're just normal people working hard to make games. Nobody is getting rich here. Please try to keep the dialog civil. Ian Reed On 5/1/2013 6:23 PM, dark wrote: Hello gamers. Welcome to this new audio action puzzle game, the latest release from dropdead entertainment, the same company who brought you such classic audio games as aliens in my backside, mucky business and rusty penny. The object of the game is simple, change as many gamers minds as possible as to what operating system they will use. To do this, various gamers are stacked in 9 piles of 13 each (don't ask how we get them to stay in a stack, it involves nails). Each will say the system they prefer as you arrow over them, systems can be windows, lynux, mac, pocket calculator or abacus, and the gamers' screams of pain (remember the nails?), will increase to indicate the size of the stack. Each turn you must position one gamer atop a stack. Placing 3 or more with a similar preference together, and they will be removed from the game and added to your score. The game also comes with the following mmodes: Limited user base, in which you must convince only a set number of gamers which is the right operating system (the rest don't matter), and dynamite power user, which is the same as the main game accept that any gamers who fail to make their minds up (despite the nails), will be blown up with dynamite. Reacting change may be installed on all platforms, however note that to install the game you must first install a copy of the game, since without a copy of the game already installed it will be impossible to register the files the game needs to install, also note that the game needs to be installed in whatever directory your planning to install the game into, other directories won't work. The game can be perchiced directly from Drop dead entertainment for the small price of ten thousand dollars. This is a reduction from the price of twenty thousand dollars we charged for our previous titles, so though there is no demo of the game we think the price is quite reasonable! For those users who prefer, the game may also be perchiced from the crap store on various systems. Also, we are very proud of the new security system we have for the game, which is not to sell any copies, since that way we will lose nothing to piracy either, and we think this is best for our customers and ourselves. So what are you waiting for! go and download reacting change now, or else! Yours sincerely, john mcslaughter, ceo drop dead entertainment! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] Newly released, reacting change!
Hi Dark, Lol! I have to say this was a pretty funny spoof. Cheers! On 5/1/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hello gamers. Welcome to this new audio action puzzle game, the latest release from dropdead entertainment, the same company who brought you such classic audio games as aliens in my backside, mucky business and rusty penny. The object of the game is simple, change as many gamers minds as possible as to what operating system they will use. To do this, various gamers are stacked in 9 piles of 13 each (don't ask how we get them to stay in a stack, it involves nails). Each will say the system they prefer as you arrow over them, systems can be windows, lynux, mac, pocket calculator or abacus, and the gamers' screams of pain (remember the nails?), will increase to indicate the size of the stack. Each turn you must position one gamer atop a stack. Placing 3 or more with a similar preference together, and they will be removed from the game and added to your score. The game also comes with the following mmodes: Limited user base, in which you must convince only a set number of gamers which is the right operating system (the rest don't matter), and dynamite power user, which is the same as the main game accept that any gamers who fail to make their minds up (despite the nails), will be blown up with dynamite. Reacting change may be installed on all platforms, however note that to install the game you must first install a copy of the game, since without a copy of the game already installed it will be impossible to register the files the game needs to install, also note that the game needs to be installed in whatever directory your planning to install the game into, other directories won't work. The game can be perchiced directly from Drop dead entertainment for the small price of ten thousand dollars. This is a reduction from the price of twenty thousand dollars we charged for our previous titles, so though there is no demo of the game we think the price is quite reasonable! For those users who prefer, the game may also be perchiced from the crap store on various systems. Also, we are very proud of the new security system we have for the game, which is not to sell any copies, since that way we will lose nothing to piracy either, and we think this is best for our customers and ourselves. So what are you waiting for! go and download reacting change now, or else! Yours sincerely, john mcslaughter, ceo drop dead entertainment! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Gotcha. Thanks for the explanation man, helped a lot. Scott On 5/2/13, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Scott, Well, I just did some research on your question and it turns out that service pack 3 for XP contains UI Automation so in answer to your question they should receive the same or equal access as a Windows 8 user when UI Automation is used assuming the screen reader has UI Automation support. That's really the rub here. A lot of people are still running Jaws 7 or something like that which doesn't support UI Automation so even though an XP user can install service pack 3 and get UI Automation support on the OS side of things if their screen reader is out of date it won't matter if UI Automation is available or not as the screen reader won't use it. However, that does sort of bring us back to your original question. What happens if a developer uses UI Automation and either the OS or screen reader doesn't support it? The answer is that Jaws, Window-Eyes, etc will fall back on other means such as video intercept drivers etc to try and determine the WPF controls so the application should still be accessible. Its just that the screen reader won't be able to have as accurate firsthand information from the application itself on what the control is. Cheers! On 5/1/13, Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom, Thanks, good to know. So then, what would happen for a screen reader user who was attempting to use a program under XP if a developer had gone with UI Automation as their accessibility API? Do the screen readers have some way of bridging the gap between UI Automation and MSAA, or would that program just be seen as being inaccessible? Doesn't affect me directly seeing as I'm already running 7, but thought it was worth asking. I haven't yet heard of any programs that are accessible in 7 and 8 but totally unusable in XP, so just trying to get my head around the implications. Cheers Scott --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Newly released, reacting change!
Hi Ian, Honestly I think it was a bit of both. I think Dark was trying to be funny, but the over all tone of the joke was a bit vindictive towards Draconis Entertainment and was aimed at Josh specifically for trying to change Dark's mind about newer Windows releases. Cheers! On 5/1/13, Ian Reed supp...@blindaudiogames.com wrote: Hi Dark, Is this funny or vindictive? If it was meant as light hearted then I will admit it is very creative. Otherwise I'd like to point out that most of the content seems in response to a thread that you started by challenging small time indie developers to find a way to keep their games supported on versions of operating systems that Microsoft, a company with at least 1000 developers, has decided to stop supporting. We're just normal people working hard to make games. Nobody is getting rich here. Please try to keep the dialog civil. Ian Reed --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
