Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games?
positive. There seams to be orpheus which is synthetic, and another one - Original Message - From: Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Are you sure you're not thinking of the Orpheus voices? I'm pretty sure those come with Hal. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Valiant (on laptop) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi. What about that one voice that comes with hal? I think it's by phone or some such, it sounds like a robot, but it's really really really easy to understand. And btw I'm not talking about like Dave. - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Well anyway, it's a moot point now, as the Apple voices I'm using are even more responsive than eloquence and sound a whole lot better! woohoo!... As I said though, I really want to thank you all for sharing your differing points of view. it's really something I've been curious about, and very interesting... Smiles, CQ :) On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:37 PM, Cory wrote: they're easy to understand if you've used them all your life, and they are really responcive like you said - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? OMG! quite seriously, I'm asking what is the appeal of the eloquence voices? I mean, I personally have rarely heard voices so bad or difficult to listen to in my life. lol! I do like how responsive they are, but I'm honestly wondering what people see or hear rather, in them as far as quality?... smile As I said, humor aside, would love to hear from peeps... I personally prefer Crystal or Karen... Have an awesome day!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 14, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Cory wrote: Eloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence Reed please! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL
Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games?
That's the point. Besides, all you'd have to do is add a little robotic reverb and there you go. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Valiant (on laptop) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? problem there is Paul don't sound like a computer, rofl - Original Message - From: Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Oh. I see. That I can understand. Like I said i don't mind going the synthe route for menus. It's for the haracters that it gets to be a problem. Now if one of them was a computer then yes. In fact I was thinking of using NeoSpeech Paul if i ever got around to that Audio Metroid sstyle game. Since yo sut and ship's computer would be the principle source of information it would be all right for a synthe there. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Bryan, I wasn't talking about using synths for characters. I was meaning for self-voicing menus, buttons, numbers, and the day to day game info. For specific game characters like cut senes etc of course the ideal here would be human voices and I wouldn't mind having a few voice acters do that. Bryan wrote: While that's understandable in some ways, it still detracts from the gameplay in my opinion. That was a big flaw with Pacman Talks in my opinion. Synthes are fine for stats and things but as far as I'm concerned they just shouldn't play characters. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games?
Hi. Either that, or you could get someone to try using their own voice, like me, for example, lol. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Bryan, That would work. If someone made the files according to the spec I could then build the jar files containing the voices for everyone. Bryan wrote: You could always enlist the aid of others with some of the higher quality voices. I have Text Aloud and many of the voies you mentioned Thomas, and I'd be happy to contribute if necessary. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games?
Hi. What about that one voice that comes with hal? I think it's by phone or some such, it sounds like a robot, but it's really really really easy to understand. And btw I'm not talking about like Dave. - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Well anyway, it's a moot point now, as the Apple voices I'm using are even more responsive than eloquence and sound a whole lot better! woohoo!... As I said though, I really want to thank you all for sharing your differing points of view. it's really something I've been curious about, and very interesting... Smiles, CQ :) On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:37 PM, Cory wrote: they're easy to understand if you've used them all your life, and they are really responcive like you said - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? OMG! quite seriously, I'm asking what is the appeal of the eloquence voices? I mean, I personally have rarely heard voices so bad or difficult to listen to in my life. lol! I do like how responsive they are, but I'm honestly wondering what people see or hear rather, in them as far as quality?... smile As I said, humor aside, would love to hear from peeps... I personally prefer Crystal or Karen... Have an awesome day!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 14, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Cory wrote: Eloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence Reed please! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please
Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games?
rofl omg I really do hate braille n speaks - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Stefen, All I can say is I go way back before Jaws for Dos was even invented. My first speech synth was an echo for an Apple 2-E, and the text games of the mid 80's era were fun. Anyway, I can remember the days when I had to use Jaws without such a thing as a software synth. In high school I had to carry around a 486 laptop with a dectalk express in my backpack which I plugged in after I got the laptop all setup on a table in the class room, and it was not a very portible setup. In fact, most of the time rather than bringing my Dectalk to school I turned on my Braille N Speak and ran it through speechbox mode with JFD and JFW 1.x. That was aweful speech! Stefen Hudson wrote: Wow. 3.2? I started with 3.5. The funny thing about that version of Eloquence was it sounded like it had a sinus problem compared to the newer versions. I've tried using the real speech voices that came with JAWS9 and had some trouble understanding them. They do sound a bit more natural, but sometimes they have this warble effect when they say certain words or phraises, and sometimes they don't say the entire word. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I find ESpeak as likeable as eloquence. cheers: - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi, If you think Eloquence is bad think about Espeak. That is a voice that takes some serious getting use to. I use it under Linux with Orca only because it is fast and responsive, but the voice output would kill any game. It is bad enough when having to read books and stuff with it. With Eloquence and Espeak compared side by side I think Eloquence would win just because we have all gotten use to it even though it doesn't sound as human as Scansoft, Loquendo, Cepstral, etc. Bryan wrote: I couldn't agree with you more Cara. I use Eloquence from time to time in WIndow-Eyes, but more often I use one of the higher quality voices. In fact I tend to stear clear of some of Jim Kitchen's games because I don't like Eloquence for my gaming, even if it's just for reading stat information. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games?
Are you sure you're not thinking of the Orpheus voices? I'm pretty sure those come with Hal. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Valiant (on laptop) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi. What about that one voice that comes with hal? I think it's by phone or some such, it sounds like a robot, but it's really really really easy to understand. And btw I'm not talking about like Dave. - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Well anyway, it's a moot point now, as the Apple voices I'm using are even more responsive than eloquence and sound a whole lot better! woohoo!... As I said though, I really want to thank you all for sharing your differing points of view. it's really something I've been curious about, and very interesting... Smiles, CQ :) On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:37 PM, Cory wrote: they're easy to understand if you've used them all your life, and they are really responcive like you said - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? OMG! quite seriously, I'm asking what is the appeal of the eloquence voices? I mean, I personally have rarely heard voices so bad or difficult to listen to in my life. lol! I do like how responsive they are, but I'm honestly wondering what people see or hear rather, in them as far as quality?... smile As I said, humor aside, would love to hear from peeps... I personally prefer Crystal or Karen... Have an awesome day!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 14, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Cory wrote: Eloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence Reed please! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave
Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games?
While that's understandable in some ways, it still detracts from the gameplay in my opinion. That was a big flaw with Pacman Talks in my opinion. Synthes are fine for stats and things but as far as I'm concerned they just shouldn't play characters. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Valiant, Been there and tried that. As I explained in an email a few days ago it is a logistical nightmare trying to support real human voices in accessible games. There is allot of editing involved in such a venture, and a game can only move as fast as the two people are able to schedule recording sessions. Valiant (on laptop) wrote: Hi. Either that, or you could get someone to try using their own voice, like me, for example, lol. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Bryan, That would work. If someone made the files according to the spec I could then build the jar files containing the voices for everyone. Bryan wrote: You could always enlist the aid of others with some of the higher quality voices. I have Text Aloud and many of the voies you mentioned Thomas, and I'd be happy to contribute if necessary. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi. I agree about the accent, that synth is wicked. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Thomas Ward Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Thomas, The first synthesized speech that I ever heard was on my Atari 800 XL home computer. There was a software package named Sams. It was not really a screen reader, but it would try to say anything that you typed in. You know the old PC before sound cards only had a mono channel speaker, but the Atari 800 like the Commodore 64 had a four channel sound mixer. So it could do better game sounds and do synthesized speech. Sams sure was fun to play with. It really would try to pronounce anything. None of the spelling it stuff if it didn't know how to say it. My first screen reader was Jaws for dos version 1.0 with an Accent stand alone synthesizer. It is really weird that everyone has there own likes, dislikes and can understand different speech better or worse. Personally I never liked the DecTalk and am not crazy about Eloquence. I did like the Accent S A and am very happy with my USB Triple Talk. But my favorite voices to use while playing games is ATT Lauren and ATT Charles. The Neo Speech voices are ok, but Scan Soft Tom to me is one of the worst sounding sapi5 voices. Well after the free Microsoft ones that is. grin BFN Jim The trouble with bucket seats is that not everybody has the same size bucket. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Valiant, Been there and tried that. As I explained in an email a few days ago it is a logistical nightmare trying to support real human voices in accessible games. There is allot of editing involved in such a venture, and a game can only move as fast as the two people are able to schedule recording sessions. Valiant (on laptop) wrote: Hi. Either that, or you could get someone to try using their own voice, like me, for example, lol. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Bryan, That would work. If someone made the files according to the spec I could then build the jar files containing the voices for everyone. Bryan wrote: You could always enlist the aid of others with some of the higher quality voices. I have Text Aloud and many of the voies you mentioned Thomas, and I'd be happy to contribute if necessary. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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rofl 16k? wlolol! I was thinking 16 there and I was well not so bad, I've used one with 16mb ram, windows 95, jaws 5.0, you know, thins happened, but then I figured out you said k, not m, blinks, suppose that was the day that the 5mb hard drive was wicked, and it was 5.5 inch, or even bigger. - Original Message - From: Dakotah Rickard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? You know what, I'll never forget the day I played space invaders for something like three hours straight. That was the most single awesome game back then. Think my final score was like 5...not bad, if I remember right. The apple 2e with I think a whopping 16k RAM. Signed: Dakotah Rickard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 16:22 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Ah yes, I also remember those days. I'll be twenty-eight this June and I remember well the days of running a BNS through a computer for use with JFD. I also remember the Echo. It's funny, but while that was probably some of the worst speech ever it was still some of the coolest. I remember those text games that used to be available from the same company that made the Echo. There was that Dragon Maze game and that weird Space Invaders game. Good times. I've had a lot of trouble finding voice clips of the Echo synthesizer, but hearing it sure brings back memories. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Stefen, All I can say is I go way back before Jaws for Dos was even invented. My first speech synth was an echo for an Apple 2-E, and the text games of the mid 80's era were fun. Anyway, I can remember the days when I had to use Jaws without such a thing as a software synth. In high school I had to carry around a 486 laptop with a dectalk express in my backpack which I plugged in after I got the laptop all setup on a table in the class room, and it was not a very portible setup. In fact, most of the time rather than bringing my Dectalk to school I turned on my Braille N Speak and ran it through speechbox mode with JFD and JFW 1.x. That was aweful speech! Stefen Hudson wrote: Wow. 3.2? I started with 3.5. The funny thing about that version of Eloquence was it sounded like it had a sinus problem compared to the newer versions. I've tried using the real speech voices that came with JAWS9 and had some trouble understanding them. They do sound a bit more natural, but sometimes they have this warble effect when they say certain words or phraises, and sometimes they don't say the entire word. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Bryan, I wasn't talking about using synths for characters. I was meaning for self-voicing menus, buttons, numbers, and the day to day game info. For specific game characters like cut senes etc of course the ideal here would be human voices and I wouldn't mind having a few voice acters do that. Bryan wrote: While that's understandable in some ways, it still detracts from the gameplay in my opinion. That was a big flaw with Pacman Talks in my opinion. Synthes are fine for stats and things but as far as I'm concerned they just shouldn't play characters. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Oh. I see. That I can understand. Like I said i don't mind going the synthe route for menus. It's for the haracters that it gets to be a problem. Now if one of them was a computer then yes. In fact I was thinking of using NeoSpeech Paul if i ever got around to that Audio Metroid sstyle game. Since yo sut and ship's computer would be the principle source of information it would be all right for a synthe there. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Bryan, I wasn't talking about using synths for characters. I was meaning for self-voicing menus, buttons, numbers, and the day to day game info. For specific game characters like cut senes etc of course the ideal here would be human voices and I wouldn't mind having a few voice acters do that. Bryan wrote: While that's understandable in some ways, it still detracts from the gameplay in my opinion. That was a big flaw with Pacman Talks in my opinion. Synthes are fine for stats and things but as far as I'm concerned they just shouldn't play characters. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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they're fun to mess with though! - Original Message - From: Valiant (on laptop) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? rofl omg I really do hate braille n speaks - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Stefen, All I can say is I go way back before Jaws for Dos was even invented. My first speech synth was an echo for an Apple 2-E, and the text games of the mid 80's era were fun. Anyway, I can remember the days when I had to use Jaws without such a thing as a software synth. In high school I had to carry around a 486 laptop with a dectalk express in my backpack which I plugged in after I got the laptop all setup on a table in the class room, and it was not a very portible setup. In fact, most of the time rather than bringing my Dectalk to school I turned on my Braille N Speak and ran it through speechbox mode with JFD and JFW 1.x. That was aweful speech! Stefen Hudson wrote: Wow. 3.2? I started with 3.5. The funny thing about that version of Eloquence was it sounded like it had a sinus problem compared to the newer versions. I've tried using the real speech voices that came with JAWS9 and had some trouble understanding them. They do sound a bit more natural, but sometimes they have this warble effect when they say certain words or phraises, and sometimes they don't say the entire word. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Damn! I just sent my checkie off to RT inc, for their Good ole' southen' boy voice that gets me so hot n' bothered! lol! -Looks like I'll need to do a stop payment! lol! Yeehah!!! Cara :) On Jan 17, 2008, at 8:59 PM, Dakotah Rickard wrote: More specifically, the sport is usually reserved for Southern American males. Unfortunately, Rockytop Inc. hasn't released it's voices yet of Bobby-Jo and Emma-Jeen. I'm a Waitin for'em though. Signed: Dakotah Rickard PS: I was making a joke. There aren't any voices from Rockytop Inc. In fact, there might not even be a Rockytop Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:gamers- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cory Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 18:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? true, but it's a racing game. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Corry, All I can say is the term best is a subjective word. My idea of best is probably different from you, and your term for best might be different from someone else. As I have seen on the list so far there are some completely different views on Eloquence. Some people hate it, and others think it is the greatest synth on Earth. I fall somewhere in the middle. I don't mind using it, but I like something more human sounding when playing games. I know Eloquence does have some good features such as pretty accurate speech synthesis, excellent foreign language support, is clear when used at a high rate of speed, and that is what has made it popular. However, it fails to sound good in a game where you are looking for more human sounding characters. Cory wrote: that's why it may be the best? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ah, apologies! -Thought I saw it happen here before with not a lot of fanfare but my bad... thanks for letting me know... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 18, 2008, at 4:51 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Cara, Please, do not use perfanity on list. Thanks. Cara Quinn wrote: Damn! I just sent my checkie off to RT inc, for their Good ole' southen' boy voice that gets me so hot n' bothered! lol! -Looks like I'll need to do a stop payment! lol! Yeehah!!! Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Cara, Please, do not use perfanity on list. Thanks. Cara Quinn wrote: Damn! I just sent my checkie off to RT inc, for their Good ole' southen' boy voice that gets me so hot n' bothered! lol! -Looks like I'll need to do a stop payment! lol! Yeehah!!! Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I was just gonna say that but I didn't wanna sound like a moderator. On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:51:40 -0500, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Cara, Please, do not use perfanity on list. Thanks. Cara Quinn wrote: Damn! I just sent my checkie off to RT inc, for their Good ole' southen' boy voice that gets me so hot n' bothered! lol! -Looks like I'll need to do a stop payment! lol! Yeehah!!! Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Thomas, I bet that you have a very good point about we liking are first exposure to the different speech synthesizers. I know that over the years any discussion about screen readers was generally the same thing. People mostly liked the first one that they learned. I think that I liked Accent for it's clarity, speed and responsiveness. The same now when I use the USB Triple Talk on my game development computer. Those definitely are not very human sounding, but for me work well for programming etc. One reason that I don't care as much for Eloquence is that I don't like any of the female voices. I just really really like my computer talking with a nice female voice which I think most of the sapi5 ones are. BFN Jim Female programmers get their bits twiddled. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Kara and all. Well as many have indicated or seemed to have indicated here, the voice that works best for the job depends on what you are doing at the time. For myself if I am just doing normal day to day drudgery like going on the web or doing work in open office etc. then I will use my Dectalk express if I am on my main system. For doing any serious reading I agree the scansoft Karen is an excellent choice or one or another of the scansoft male voices if you are reading something that is better suited to a male narrator. What all this comes down to is personal preference and resource management. There is no doubt that at least in the windows environment the better the voice is the less responsive it also is and the more resources it eats up. I understand this is not supposed to be the case with the new apple voices e.g. they sound very good and are very responsive, but I have no direct experience with this and frankly would have to see it to believe it on more than one system because just because a tts engine works well on one system doesn't mean it always works that way. Likewise, I have no direct experience with software speech under linux, whenever I have used that I've either gone in using a terminal with some other synth or if I am running direct on the linux box I have used hardware speech of one sort or another. I am seriously getting the urge to setup my spare machine as a linux box and start playing around with some of this stuff under linux but that's getting far afield here. As for Eloquence, well yes I am used to it because many of my students use jfw and that is what they have, plus it is the only tts engine that works on my pac mate so I of course use it there. Again it is fine for normal day to day use, and I agree the response time is pretty good at least on a fairly fast system. But that doesn't mean that is what engine I am going to choose to read the latest Tom Clancy book. Well I've rambled on long enough, later days! Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? OMG! quite seriously, I'm asking what is the appeal of the eloquence voices? I mean, I personally have rarely heard voices so bad or difficult to listen to in my life. lol! I do like how responsive they are, but I'm honestly wondering what people see or hear rather, in them as far as quality?... smile As I said, humor aside, would love to hear from peeps... I personally prefer Crystal or Karen... Have an awesome day!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 14, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Cory wrote: Eloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence Reed please! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED
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Wow. I came in on JFW 3.2 also. Know what's a really terrible speech system? Audapter. It's like the echo for apple but on crack. Kinda reminds me of what would happen if you ran six or seven hundred volts through someone's tongue and asked them to speak clearly. Signed: Dakotah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 15:38 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Stefen, All I can say is I go way back before Jaws for Dos was even invented. My first speech synth was an echo for an Apple 2-E, and the text games of the mid 80's era were fun. Anyway, I can remember the days when I had to use Jaws without such a thing as a software synth. In high school I had to carry around a 486 laptop with a dectalk express in my backpack which I plugged in after I got the laptop all setup on a table in the class room, and it was not a very portible setup. In fact, most of the time rather than bringing my Dectalk to school I turned on my Braille N Speak and ran it through speechbox mode with JFD and JFW 1.x. That was aweful speech! Stefen Hudson wrote: Wow. 3.2? I started with 3.5. The funny thing about that version of Eloquence was it sounded like it had a sinus problem compared to the newer versions. I've tried using the real speech voices that came with JAWS9 and had some trouble understanding them. They do sound a bit more natural, but sometimes they have this warble effect when they say certain words or phraises, and sometimes they don't say the entire word. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The old dec-talk is really good. It just happens to be a voice in the movie Short Circuit...off topic. It's really funny. Dec-talk used to be the best. It still does a lot that other similar synthesizers don't, but comparatively, the only really cool thing about dec-talk now is that you can play around with it. Granted, that's totally my opinion and can't be backed up by fact. I'm not saying I'd mind seeing dec-talk in a game or two. In fact, I'd even be willing to help make that happen. It's just that there are better voices out there. Signed: Dakotah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 15:31 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi. What about DecTalk? I've gotten rather fond of that synth, and I like it when you set the pitch to a very low setting. Wowowowow that sounds good... Eloquence is good though. On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:17:18 -0500, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Corry, All I can say is the term best is a subjective word. My idea of best is probably different from you, and your term for best might be different from someone else. As I have seen on the list so far there are some completely different views on Eloquence. Some people hate it, and others think it is the greatest synth on Earth. I fall somewhere in the middle. I don't mind using it, but I like something more human sounding when playing games. I know Eloquence does have some good features such as pretty accurate speech synthesis, excellent foreign language support, is clear when used at a high rate of speed, and that is what has made it popular. However, it fails to sound good in a game where you are looking for more human sounding characters. Cory wrote: that's why it may be the best? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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More specifically, the sport is usually reserved for Southern American males. Unfortunately, Rockytop Inc. hasn't released it's voices yet of Bobby-Jo and Emma-Jeen. I'm a Waitin for'em though. Signed: Dakotah Rickard PS: I was making a joke. There aren't any voices from Rockytop Inc. In fact, there might not even be a Rockytop Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cory Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 18:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? true, but it's a racing game. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Corry, All I can say is the term best is a subjective word. My idea of best is probably different from you, and your term for best might be different from someone else. As I have seen on the list so far there are some completely different views on Eloquence. Some people hate it, and others think it is the greatest synth on Earth. I fall somewhere in the middle. I don't mind using it, but I like something more human sounding when playing games. I know Eloquence does have some good features such as pretty accurate speech synthesis, excellent foreign language support, is clear when used at a high rate of speed, and that is what has made it popular. However, it fails to sound good in a game where you are looking for more human sounding characters. Cory wrote: that's why it may be the best? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You know what, I'll never forget the day I played space invaders for something like three hours straight. That was the most single awesome game back then. Think my final score was like 5...not bad, if I remember right. The apple 2e with I think a whopping 16k RAM. Signed: Dakotah Rickard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 16:22 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Ah yes, I also remember those days. I'll be twenty-eight this June and I remember well the days of running a BNS through a computer for use with JFD. I also remember the Echo. It's funny, but while that was probably some of the worst speech ever it was still some of the coolest. I remember those text games that used to be available from the same company that made the Echo. There was that Dragon Maze game and that weird Space Invaders game. Good times. I've had a lot of trouble finding voice clips of the Echo synthesizer, but hearing it sure brings back memories. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Stefen, All I can say is I go way back before Jaws for Dos was even invented. My first speech synth was an echo for an Apple 2-E, and the text games of the mid 80's era were fun. Anyway, I can remember the days when I had to use Jaws without such a thing as a software synth. In high school I had to carry around a 486 laptop with a dectalk express in my backpack which I plugged in after I got the laptop all setup on a table in the class room, and it was not a very portible setup. In fact, most of the time rather than bringing my Dectalk to school I turned on my Braille N Speak and ran it through speechbox mode with JFD and JFW 1.x. That was aweful speech! Stefen Hudson wrote: Wow. 3.2? I started with 3.5. The funny thing about that version of Eloquence was it sounded like it had a sinus problem compared to the newer versions. I've tried using the real speech voices that came with JAWS9 and had some trouble understanding them. They do sound a bit more natural, but sometimes they have this warble effect when they say certain words or phraises, and sometimes they don't say the entire word. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And since the Echo didn't speak numbers as full numbers it would have said something like 5 0 0 0 0. I remember all you really had to do was get all the way to one side of the screen and wait for the aliens to come to you. Then you could just move out of the way of those bombs that came sometimes. But if you stayed in one place and waited till the right tone you could pretty much waste anything that came your way. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Dakotah Rickard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? You know what, I'll never forget the day I played space invaders for something like three hours straight. That was the most single awesome game back then. Think my final score was like 5...not bad, if I remember right. The apple 2e with I think a whopping 16k RAM. Signed: Dakotah Rickard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 16:22 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Ah yes, I also remember those days. I'll be twenty-eight this June and I remember well the days of running a BNS through a computer for use with JFD. I also remember the Echo. It's funny, but while that was probably some of the worst speech ever it was still some of the coolest. I remember those text games that used to be available from the same company that made the Echo. There was that Dragon Maze game and that weird Space Invaders game. Good times. I've had a lot of trouble finding voice clips of the Echo synthesizer, but hearing it sure brings back memories. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Stefen, All I can say is I go way back before Jaws for Dos was even invented. My first speech synth was an echo for an Apple 2-E, and the text games of the mid 80's era were fun. Anyway, I can remember the days when I had to use Jaws without such a thing as a software synth. In high school I had to carry around a 486 laptop with a dectalk express in my backpack which I plugged in after I got the laptop all setup on a table in the class room, and it was not a very portible setup. In fact, most of the time rather than bringing my Dectalk to school I turned on my Braille N Speak and ran it through speechbox mode with JFD and JFW 1.x. That was aweful speech! Stefen Hudson wrote: Wow. 3.2? I started with 3.5. The funny thing about that version of Eloquence was it sounded like it had a sinus problem compared to the newer versions. I've tried using the real speech voices that came with JAWS9 and had some trouble understanding them. They do sound a bit more natural, but sometimes they have this warble effect when they say certain words or phraises, and sometimes they don't say the entire word. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list
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Audapter sounds nothing like Echo. It sounds like a really bad...I mean worse than it actually is, Keynote. That's just my opinion though. But the Echo actually sounded kinda cool compared to the Audaptor. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Dakotah Rickard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Wow. I came in on JFW 3.2 also. Know what's a really terrible speech system? Audapter. It's like the echo for apple but on crack. Kinda reminds me of what would happen if you ran six or seven hundred volts through someone's tongue and asked them to speak clearly. Signed: Dakotah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 15:38 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Stefen, All I can say is I go way back before Jaws for Dos was even invented. My first speech synth was an echo for an Apple 2-E, and the text games of the mid 80's era were fun. Anyway, I can remember the days when I had to use Jaws without such a thing as a software synth. In high school I had to carry around a 486 laptop with a dectalk express in my backpack which I plugged in after I got the laptop all setup on a table in the class room, and it was not a very portible setup. In fact, most of the time rather than bringing my Dectalk to school I turned on my Braille N Speak and ran it through speechbox mode with JFD and JFW 1.x. That was aweful speech! Stefen Hudson wrote: Wow. 3.2? I started with 3.5. The funny thing about that version of Eloquence was it sounded like it had a sinus problem compared to the newer versions. I've tried using the real speech voices that came with JAWS9 and had some trouble understanding them. They do sound a bit more natural, but sometimes they have this warble effect when they say certain words or phraises, and sometimes they don't say the entire word. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Thomas, The first synthesized speech that I ever heard was on my Atari 800 XL home computer. There was a software package named Sams. It was not really a screen reader, but it would try to say anything that you typed in. You know the old PC before sound cards only had a mono channel speaker, but the Atari 800 like the Commodore 64 had a four channel sound mixer. So it could do better game sounds and do synthesized speech. Sams sure was fun to play with. It really would try to pronounce anything. None of the spelling it stuff if it didn't know how to say it. My first screen reader was Jaws for dos version 1.0 with an Accent stand alone synthesizer. It is really weird that everyone has there own likes, dislikes and can understand different speech better or worse. Personally I never liked the DecTalk and am not crazy about Eloquence. I did like the Accent S A and am very happy with my USB Triple Talk. But my favorite voices to use while playing games is ATT Lauren and ATT Charles. The Neo Speech voices are ok, but Scan Soft Tom to me is one of the worst sounding sapi5 voices. Well after the free Microsoft ones that is. grin BFN Jim The trouble with bucket seats is that not everybody has the same size bucket. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Keynote gold is a good synth. I've also grown fond of that through my bn mPower. If they had a sapi version I'd like to get it badly because I can picture that sounding good in games. On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:51:36 +1300, shaun everiss wrote: well in my opinion the keynote gold was real good, its robotic but it was still clear it didn't sing like dectalk does but oh well. At 10:21 a.m. 16/01/2008, you wrote: Ah yes, I also remember those days. I'll be twenty-eight this June and I remember well the days of running a BNS through a computer for use with JFD. I also remember the Echo. It's funny, but while that was probably some of the worst speech ever it was still some of the coolest. I remember those text games that used to be available from the same company that made the Echo. There was that Dragon Maze game and that weird Space Invaders game. Good times. I've had a lot of trouble finding voice clips of the Echo synthesizer, but hearing it sure brings back memories. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Stefen, All I can say is I go way back before Jaws for Dos was even invented. My first speech synth was an echo for an Apple 2-E, and the text games of the mid 80's era were fun. Anyway, I can remember the days when I had to use Jaws without such a thing as a software synth. In high school I had to carry around a 486 laptop with a dectalk express in my backpack which I plugged in after I got the laptop all setup on a table in the class room, and it was not a very portible setup. In fact, most of the time rather than bringing my Dectalk to school I turned on my Braille N Speak and ran it through speechbox mode with JFD and JFW 1.x. That was aweful speech! Stefen Hudson wrote: Wow. 3.2? I started with 3.5. The funny thing about that version of Eloquence was it sounded like it had a sinus problem compared to the newer versions. I've tried using the real speech voices that came with JAWS9 and had some trouble understanding them. They do sound a bit more natural, but sometimes they have this warble effect when they say certain words or phraises, and sometimes they don't say the entire word. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I actyUs started with 4.51 demo version. Then I tog aful version of 5.0. Then, I got a full license for 7, and then 8. On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:08:53 +1300, shaun everiss wrote: my first windows reader was hal 2.0 then it was 4.5 then 5.0, 5.22 and thats where I am now. jaws was jaws 4.5 then 5.0 then 6.2. and thats that. At 11:33 p.m. 15/01/2008, you wrote: Wow. 3.2? I started with 3.5. The funny thing about that version of Eloquence was it sounded like it had a sinus problem compared to the newer versions. I've tried using the real speech voices that came with JAWS9 and had some trouble understanding them. They do sound a bit more natural, but sometimes they have this warble effect when they say certain words or phraises, and sometimes they don't say the entire word. -- From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 7:32 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Stefen, You aren't the first person who has said that to me. I have a friend who is also blind, but she is almost deaf in one ear and some partial loss in the other. She use to tell me she had problems using her Dectalk Express but could understand Eloquence clearly. I never understand how that could be. With my own experience when Eloquence was released with JFW 3.2 I couldn't understand it, and couldn't stand it. Of course, after a couple of releases I got use to it, and now days I can listen to it at high speed. Stefen Hudson wrote: I'm not really sure what it is. I've used Eloquence pretty much all my life, LOL. I also have a hearing impairment and can understand Eloquence better than any other voices I've tried. To mee, Eloquence is much smoother. Other voices have a warble to them sometimes. Maybe it's the frequency range too. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Jim, Yeah, until I ran this poll I had no idea of the large diference in opinions about speech output. Your mention of the Tom synth by Scansoft is a great example. Most people generally like the voice, and you don't like it. On the other hand you thought the Accent SA sounded great, and at the time it was out I couldn't stand Accent speech. I baught a Dectalk Express the first moment I got enough SSI saved up for one. None of the opinions expressed is right or wrong, but it is interesting to note which speech systems have wide support and which ones didn't do as well. I think allot of it has to do with our first exposure to one technology or another. For example, I had used Dectalk PC and Express moddles years before Eloquence came along. The first time I heard Eloquence demoed I thought it was the worst sounding synth on the planet. I couldn't imagine anyone liking it, and felt Dectalk was the only good sounding speech synth. My opinion was primarily based on that was what I was use to using day after day, and my first dos exposure was with a Dectalk PC. Now, that hardware Dectalk's are all but forgotten, and younger blind users are just starting to use Jaws their first exposure is to Eloquence. As seen by the posts on the list those who came to the computer with Eloquence as their first synth widely regard it as good, and have difficulty with other speech systems, and don't think as highly of Dectalk speech as I do. Jim Kitchen wrote: Hi Thomas, The first synthesized speech that I ever heard was on my Atari 800 XL home computer. There was a software package named Sams. It was not really a screen reader, but it would try to say anything that you typed in. You know the old PC before sound cards only had a mono channel speaker, but the Atari 800 like the Commodore 64 had a four channel sound mixer. So it could do better game sounds and do synthesized speech. Sams sure was fun to play with. It really would try to pronounce anything. None of the spelling it stuff if it didn't know how to say it. My first screen reader was Jaws for dos version 1.0 with an Accent stand alone synthesizer. It is really weird that everyone has there own likes, dislikes and can understand different speech better or worse. Personally I never liked the DecTalk and am not crazy about Eloquence. I did like the Accent S A and am very happy with my USB Triple Talk. But my favorite voices to use while playing games is ATT Lauren and ATT Charles. The Neo Speech voices are ok, but Scan Soft Tom to me is one of the worst sounding sapi5 voices. Well after the free Microsoft ones that is. grin BFN Jim The trouble with bucket seats is that not everybody has the same size bucket. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Have you ever tried the way in which Rockbox builds voices: thorugh a VB-script? I made some wavefiles with a SAPI 5 voice and that VB-script, and it goes terribly fast and accurate. It does absolutely not take as long as recording them manually. So, you could create a voicepack in just a few minutes. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Bryan, That would work. If someone made the files according to the spec I could then build the jar files containing the voices for everyone. Bryan wrote: You could always enlist the aid of others with some of the higher quality voices. I have Text Aloud and many of the voies you mentioned Thomas, and I'd be happy to contribute if necessary. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wow. 3.2? I started with 3.5. The funny thing about that version of Eloquence was it sounded like it had a sinus problem compared to the newer versions. I've tried using the real speech voices that came with JAWS9 and had some trouble understanding them. They do sound a bit more natural, but sometimes they have this warble effect when they say certain words or phraises, and sometimes they don't say the entire word. -- From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 7:32 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Stefen, You aren't the first person who has said that to me. I have a friend who is also blind, but she is almost deaf in one ear and some partial loss in the other. She use to tell me she had problems using her Dectalk Express but could understand Eloquence clearly. I never understand how that could be. With my own experience when Eloquence was released with JFW 3.2 I couldn't understand it, and couldn't stand it. Of course, after a couple of releases I got use to it, and now days I can listen to it at high speed. Stefen Hudson wrote: I'm not really sure what it is. I've used Eloquence pretty much all my life, LOL. I also have a hearing impairment and can understand Eloquence better than any other voices I've tried. To mee, Eloquence is much smoother. Other voices have a warble to them sometimes. Maybe it's the frequency range too. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Bryan, Only two of my games have recorded Eloquence speech. That would be Mach 1 and the very old version 5 of golf that I left on the sight for those who can not play sapi5 games. BTW my favorite sapi5 voice is ATT Lauren. However I use ATT Crystal for Email because she pronounces allot of Email stuff like Email acronyms better. - Original Message - I tend to agree with you Thomas. That's why I stay away from some of Jim's self-voicing games. I don't like Eloquence in games. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. Jim I asked what the difference was between a mime and a pantomime. No one would say. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Cory, I did not change the pitch of any of the recorded Eloquence speech. The problem is, when you use recorded speech and I have it so that you can adjust the rate of the speech all it can do is to play the speech files faster or slower and that is what changes the pitch of them. BFN - Original Message - he messed up the voices in some of them. There not the rite pitch Jim When in doubt, take all the defaults. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You and I are in agreement on that Ken. In fact as I write this I'm using Neospeech Paul. I only wish there were more Englis Neospeech voices. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Ken the Crazy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Please DONT use Eloquence voices! I have to hear that voice enough when I'm on the computer. I've heard that the scansoft voices are nice, though I think Neospeech has the best ones. Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to experience massage! It's the Caring without the Staring! - Original Message - From: Jimmy Odin Kristoffersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:28 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Thomas. I will for shure take T Mike or Eloquence Reed. I cant take menny of the voices from sappy. All the best. Jimmy - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:39 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1223 - Release Date: 1/13/2008 8:23 PM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Bryan, Yeah, I have both of the Neospeech voices as well, and they sound great. My only complaint with the Neospeech voices is that they are 16K which means they have to be converted to 22500K before they can be used. However, the Scansoft voices are 22500K so they can be created, edited, and quickly dropped in the directory without allot of hastle. Bryan wrote: That's sort of what I had in mind. And since I've also got NeoSpeech Kate and Paul there's two more voices we could use. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That's sort of what I had in mind. And since I've also got NeoSpeech Kate and Paul there's two more voices we could use. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Bryan, That would work. If someone made the files according to the spec I could then build the jar files containing the voices for everyone. Bryan wrote: You could always enlist the aid of others with some of the higher quality voices. I have Text Aloud and many of the voies you mentioned Thomas, and I'd be happy to contribute if necessary. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Eloquence with a sinus problem. Tere's an interesting thought. I know that if you tinker with it you can make Dectalk sound like it's got a cold but I think you have to actually have the software itself, and one that isn't linked to a screen reader. I havve noticed that the ScanSoft voices are a bit sketchy with JAWS, but with Window-Eyes they work fine. As for a warble effect I've never really noticed that. I think though that the reason they might sound a bit funky on some words is that like the ATT voices they're generated with actual human voice samples. The difference is that whoever created the ScanSoft voices did a better job than whoever made the ATT Not-so-Natural voices. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Stefen Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Wow. 3.2? I started with 3.5. The funny thing about that version of Eloquence was it sounded like it had a sinus problem compared to the newer versions. I've tried using the real speech voices that came with JAWS9 and had some trouble understanding them. They do sound a bit more natural, but sometimes they have this warble effect when they say certain words or phraises, and sometimes they don't say the entire word. -- From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 7:32 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Stefen, You aren't the first person who has said that to me. I have a friend who is also blind, but she is almost deaf in one ear and some partial loss in the other. She use to tell me she had problems using her Dectalk Express but could understand Eloquence clearly. I never understand how that could be. With my own experience when Eloquence was released with JFW 3.2 I couldn't understand it, and couldn't stand it. Of course, after a couple of releases I got use to it, and now days I can listen to it at high speed. Stefen Hudson wrote: I'm not really sure what it is. I've used Eloquence pretty much all my life, LOL. I also have a hearing impairment and can understand Eloquence better than any other voices I've tried. To mee, Eloquence is much smoother. Other voices have a warble to them sometimes. Maybe it's the frequency range too. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It's funny, but I've noticed just the opposite with Crysta. Haven't heard many of the other ATT voices except Audry and Charles. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bryan Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Bryan, Only two of my games have recorded Eloquence speech. That would be Mach 1 and the very old version 5 of golf that I left on the sight for those who can not play sapi5 games. BTW my favorite sapi5 voice is ATT Lauren. However I use ATT Crystal for Email because she pronounces allot of Email stuff like Email acronyms better. - Original Message - I tend to agree with you Thomas. That's why I stay away from some of Jim's self-voicing games. I don't like Eloquence in games. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. Jim I asked what the difference was between a mime and a pantomime. No one would say. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Corry, All I can say is the term best is a subjective word. My idea of best is probably different from you, and your term for best might be different from someone else. As I have seen on the list so far there are some completely different views on Eloquence. Some people hate it, and others think it is the greatest synth on Earth. I fall somewhere in the middle. I don't mind using it, but I like something more human sounding when playing games. I know Eloquence does have some good features such as pretty accurate speech synthesis, excellent foreign language support, is clear when used at a high rate of speed, and that is what has made it popular. However, it fails to sound good in a game where you are looking for more human sounding characters. Cory wrote: that's why it may be the best? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi tyler, What kind of voice clips do you have? Tyler Wood wrote: Hi Tom, Instead of you taking the time to record the voice clips, I already have some recorded which you might find interesting. If you'd like, email me off list and I'd be glad to send those along. Tyler --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Tyler, Before Jaws 3.2 there was no software Synth with Jaws. You had to use a hardware synth like a Dectalk, Keynote, Artic, etc... I should know I have used every version of Jaws from Jaws For Dos 2.x to Jaws 9 for Windows. One thing I might want to add around Jaws 3.0 software speech engines were just coming into being and Henter-Joice were starting to sell Eloquence, Dectalk software, Flextalk, and Keynote Gold was offered by Humanware as extra add ons for Jaws 3.0, but they were not included with Jaws. Tyler Wood wrote: Sorry to be off topic here, but what was the default synthisizer before 3.2? That's awfully interesting (I'd love and hope to make a history of changes and breakthroughs with the jaws screen reader, starting with the very first version). --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi. What about DecTalk? I've gotten rather fond of that synth, and I like it when you set the pitch to a very low setting. Wowowowow that sounds good... Eloquence is good though. On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:17:18 -0500, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Corry, All I can say is the term best is a subjective word. My idea of best is probably different from you, and your term for best might be different from someone else. As I have seen on the list so far there are some completely different views on Eloquence. Some people hate it, and others think it is the greatest synth on Earth. I fall somewhere in the middle. I don't mind using it, but I like something more human sounding when playing games. I know Eloquence does have some good features such as pretty accurate speech synthesis, excellent foreign language support, is clear when used at a high rate of speed, and that is what has made it popular. However, it fails to sound good in a game where you are looking for more human sounding characters. Cory wrote: that's why it may be the best? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Stefen, All I can say is I go way back before Jaws for Dos was even invented. My first speech synth was an echo for an Apple 2-E, and the text games of the mid 80's era were fun. Anyway, I can remember the days when I had to use Jaws without such a thing as a software synth. In high school I had to carry around a 486 laptop with a dectalk express in my backpack which I plugged in after I got the laptop all setup on a table in the class room, and it was not a very portible setup. In fact, most of the time rather than bringing my Dectalk to school I turned on my Braille N Speak and ran it through speechbox mode with JFD and JFW 1.x. That was aweful speech! Stefen Hudson wrote: Wow. 3.2? I started with 3.5. The funny thing about that version of Eloquence was it sounded like it had a sinus problem compared to the newer versions. I've tried using the real speech voices that came with JAWS9 and had some trouble understanding them. They do sound a bit more natural, but sometimes they have this warble effect when they say certain words or phraises, and sometimes they don't say the entire word. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Davy, I do not have rockbox so haven't tried that. I usually just use Text Aloud for this stuff. Davy Kager wrote: Hi, Have you ever tried the way in which Rockbox builds voices: thorugh a VB-script? I made some wavefiles with a SAPI 5 voice and that VB-script, and it goes terribly fast and accurate. It does absolutely not take as long as recording them manually. So, you could create a voicepack in just a few minutes. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, The benefit of that VB-script is that you can create multiple phrases at once with it, thus saving a lot of time. This may also be possible with TextAloud, however. After all I have never used that piece of software. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Davy, I do not have rockbox so haven't tried that. I usually just use Text Aloud for this stuff. Davy Kager wrote: Hi, Have you ever tried the way in which Rockbox builds voices: thorugh a VB-script? I made some wavefiles with a SAPI 5 voice and that VB-script, and it goes terribly fast and accurate. It does absolutely not take as long as recording them manually. So, you could create a voicepack in just a few minutes. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ah yes, I also remember those days. I'll be twenty-eight this June and I remember well the days of running a BNS through a computer for use with JFD. I also remember the Echo. It's funny, but while that was probably some of the worst speech ever it was still some of the coolest. I remember those text games that used to be available from the same company that made the Echo. There was that Dragon Maze game and that weird Space Invaders game. Good times. I've had a lot of trouble finding voice clips of the Echo synthesizer, but hearing it sure brings back memories. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Stefen, All I can say is I go way back before Jaws for Dos was even invented. My first speech synth was an echo for an Apple 2-E, and the text games of the mid 80's era were fun. Anyway, I can remember the days when I had to use Jaws without such a thing as a software synth. In high school I had to carry around a 486 laptop with a dectalk express in my backpack which I plugged in after I got the laptop all setup on a table in the class room, and it was not a very portible setup. In fact, most of the time rather than bringing my Dectalk to school I turned on my Braille N Speak and ran it through speechbox mode with JFD and JFW 1.x. That was aweful speech! Stefen Hudson wrote: Wow. 3.2? I started with 3.5. The funny thing about that version of Eloquence was it sounded like it had a sinus problem compared to the newer versions. I've tried using the real speech voices that came with JAWS9 and had some trouble understanding them. They do sound a bit more natural, but sometimes they have this warble effect when they say certain words or phraises, and sometimes they don't say the entire word. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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true, but it's a racing game. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Corry, All I can say is the term best is a subjective word. My idea of best is probably different from you, and your term for best might be different from someone else. As I have seen on the list so far there are some completely different views on Eloquence. Some people hate it, and others think it is the greatest synth on Earth. I fall somewhere in the middle. I don't mind using it, but I like something more human sounding when playing games. I know Eloquence does have some good features such as pretty accurate speech synthesis, excellent foreign language support, is clear when used at a high rate of speed, and that is what has made it popular. However, it fails to sound good in a game where you are looking for more human sounding characters. Cory wrote: that's why it may be the best? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yeah, I like DecTalk too, but there's no SAPI version, so it wouldn't be able to be used with a lot of games. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:31 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi. What about DecTalk? I've gotten rather fond of that synth, and I like it when you set the pitch to a very low setting. Wowowowow that sounds good... Eloquence is good though. On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:17:18 -0500, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Corry, All I can say is the term best is a subjective word. My idea of best is probably different from you, and your term for best might be different from someone else. As I have seen on the list so far there are some completely different views on Eloquence. Some people hate it, and others think it is the greatest synth on Earth. I fall somewhere in the middle. I don't mind using it, but I like something more human sounding when playing games. I know Eloquence does have some good features such as pretty accurate speech synthesis, excellent foreign language support, is clear when used at a high rate of speed, and that is what has made it popular. However, it fails to sound good in a game where you are looking for more human sounding characters. Cory wrote: that's why it may be the best? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi, Yeah, i haven't heard this so-called warble either. However, I have noticed over the years that Jaws has had an on and off problem with Sapi voices. They don't always run correctly with Jaws, but would work fine with Window Eyes. one case in point I had a problem with Neospeec Kate with Jaws, it wasn't fixed until a version later, but the Window Eyes of the time worked fine with it. So the warble others are talkng about is hardware related or it is a bug in the jaws version th person is using. I can say I use it all the time and have never heard a warble. Bryan wrote: Eloquence with a sinus problem. Tere's an interesting thought. I know that if you tinker with it you can make Dectalk sound like it's got a cold but I think you have to actually have the software itself, and one that isn't linked to a screen reader. I havve noticed that the ScanSoft voices are a bit sketchy with JAWS, but with Window-Eyes they work fine. As for a warble effect I've never really noticed that. I think though that the reason they might sound a bit funky on some words is that like the ATT voices they're generated with actual human voice samples. The difference is that whoever created the ScanSoft voices did a better job than whoever made the ATT Not-so-Natural voices. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Stefen Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Wow. 3.2? I started with 3.5. The funny thing about that version of Eloquence was it sounded like it had a sinus problem compared to the newer versions. I've tried using the real speech voices that came with JAWS9 and had some trouble understanding them. They do sound a bit more natural, but sometimes they have this warble effect when they say certain words or phraises, and sometimes they don't say the entire word. -- From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 7:32 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Stefen, You aren't the first person who has said that to me. I have a friend who is also blind, but she is almost deaf in one ear and some partial loss in the other. She use to tell me she had problems using her Dectalk Express but could understand Eloquence clearly. I never understand how that could be. With my own experience when Eloquence was released with JFW 3.2 I couldn't understand it, and couldn't stand it. Of course, after a couple of releases I got use to it, and now days I can listen to it at high speed. Stefen Hudson wrote: I'm not really sure what it is. I've used Eloquence pretty much all my life, LOL. I also have a hearing impairment and can understand Eloquence better than any other voices I've tried. To mee, Eloquence is much smoother. Other voices have a warble to them sometimes. Maybe it's the frequency range too. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Hmmm... Well, Dectalk access is not based on a Sapi 5 API so it won't work with Text Aloud. However, the Dectalk SDK for Linux comes with a simple speech tool called say which can be used to convert text files to wav files, but I have not tried it myself. I have the Dectalk 5 SDK for Linux, and perhaps I will tinker with say to see what it can do. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. What about DecTalk? I've gotten rather fond of that synth, and I like it when you set the pitch to a very low setting. Wowowowow that sounds good... Eloquence is good though. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi James, USA Games will be using wav recorded samples of the speech output so weather or not the voice has Sapi 5 support or not shouldn't matter. The reason I startd the thread with the Sapi heading is it does make it easier on me if I can just put the words in Text Aloud and save them as wav files. Though, there are utilities out there for Linux that will do the same thing for Dectalk if I need them to. James Scholes wrote: Yeah, I like DecTalk too, but there's no SAPI version, so it wouldn't be able to be used with a lot of games. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:31 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi. What about DecTalk? I've gotten rather fond of that synth, and I like it when you set the pitch to a very low setting. Wowowowow that sounds good... Eloquence is good though. On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:17:18 -0500, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Corry, All I can say is the term best is a subjective word. My idea of best is probably different from you, and your term for best might be different from someone else. As I have seen on the list so far there are some completely different views on Eloquence. Some people hate it, and others think it is the greatest synth on Earth. I fall somewhere in the middle. I don't mind using it, but I like something more human sounding when playing games. I know Eloquence does have some good features such as pretty accurate speech synthesis, excellent foreign language support, is clear when used at a high rate of speed, and that is what has made it popular. However, it fails to sound good in a game where you are looking for more human sounding characters. Cory wrote: that's why it may be the best? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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well in my opinion the keynote gold was real good, its robotic but it was still clear it didn't sing like dectalk does but oh well. At 10:21 a.m. 16/01/2008, you wrote: Ah yes, I also remember those days. I'll be twenty-eight this June and I remember well the days of running a BNS through a computer for use with JFD. I also remember the Echo. It's funny, but while that was probably some of the worst speech ever it was still some of the coolest. I remember those text games that used to be available from the same company that made the Echo. There was that Dragon Maze game and that weird Space Invaders game. Good times. I've had a lot of trouble finding voice clips of the Echo synthesizer, but hearing it sure brings back memories. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Stefen, All I can say is I go way back before Jaws for Dos was even invented. My first speech synth was an echo for an Apple 2-E, and the text games of the mid 80's era were fun. Anyway, I can remember the days when I had to use Jaws without such a thing as a software synth. In high school I had to carry around a 486 laptop with a dectalk express in my backpack which I plugged in after I got the laptop all setup on a table in the class room, and it was not a very portible setup. In fact, most of the time rather than bringing my Dectalk to school I turned on my Braille N Speak and ran it through speechbox mode with JFD and JFW 1.x. That was aweful speech! Stefen Hudson wrote: Wow. 3.2? I started with 3.5. The funny thing about that version of Eloquence was it sounded like it had a sinus problem compared to the newer versions. I've tried using the real speech voices that came with JAWS9 and had some trouble understanding them. They do sound a bit more natural, but sometimes they have this warble effect when they say certain words or phraises, and sometimes they don't say the entire word. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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yeah pitty I can't make eloquence sing, pitty my dectalk has a busted component, its easy to fix I know how but I'm to lazy to bother. At 09:31 a.m. 16/01/2008, you wrote: Hi. What about DecTalk? I've gotten rather fond of that synth, and I like it when you set the pitch to a very low setting. Wowowowow that sounds good... Eloquence is good though. On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:17:18 -0500, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Corry, All I can say is the term best is a subjective word. My idea of best is probably different from you, and your term for best might be different from someone else. As I have seen on the list so far there are some completely different views on Eloquence. Some people hate it, and others think it is the greatest synth on Earth. I fall somewhere in the middle. I don't mind using it, but I like something more human sounding when playing games. I know Eloquence does have some good features such as pretty accurate speech synthesis, excellent foreign language support, is clear when used at a high rate of speed, and that is what has made it popular. However, it fails to sound good in a game where you are looking for more human sounding characters. Cory wrote: that's why it may be the best? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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oh man you guys are going and going. I see I will have to compete with you guys. Lets see I'm afraid you beat me on most things. the first talking unit I had was running dos 5.0 ms with wordperfect 5.1 keysoft 1.3 and mastertouch 1.32 I used keynote gold. Before the unit kicked the bucket I had it semi upgraded to dos 6.22 with qemm 97 and norton utilities 8. Ok it was not much of an improvement but I did make the best of it. The first windows synth I had was a gemini which was good till it died on me and I got orpheus, On second thought I'd would have liked a juno rather than an actual other external synth. I'm still mad that I was not given an internal hardware synth as at that time there were still synths of these made. I could have continued running keysoft and mt for a few years more. The first software speech unit I delt with was one of the old bbc units. I also have experience with a c64 with lemmings and an apple lc1 lc2 and lc3 as well as perfomer, power pc and the old 2gs. Not actualy working on them but running them. starting them up. the 5.25 drive sounded like a machine gun. The 3.5 drive sounded like the borg. I have also seen the old acorn. Now I think the only person that can beat me is ralph that manages the local blind school here in auckland as he has actually done assembly and binary coding literally and seen a mainframe and an actual ibm not a compatible unit maybe earlier I never found out what his extent of the old tech he saw was. At 09:37 a.m. 16/01/2008, you wrote: Hi Stefen, All I can say is I go way back before Jaws for Dos was even invented. My first speech synth was an echo for an Apple 2-E, and the text games of the mid 80's era were fun. Anyway, I can remember the days when I had to use Jaws without such a thing as a software synth. In high school I had to carry around a 486 laptop with a dectalk express in my backpack which I plugged in after I got the laptop all setup on a table in the class room, and it was not a very portible setup. In fact, most of the time rather than bringing my Dectalk to school I turned on my Braille N Speak and ran it through speechbox mode with JFD and JFW 1.x. That was aweful speech! Stefen Hudson wrote: Wow. 3.2? I started with 3.5. The funny thing about that version of Eloquence was it sounded like it had a sinus problem compared to the newer versions. I've tried using the real speech voices that came with JAWS9 and had some trouble understanding them. They do sound a bit more natural, but sometimes they have this warble effect when they say certain words or phraises, and sometimes they don't say the entire word. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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my first windows reader was hal 2.0 then it was 4.5 then 5.0, 5.22 and thats where I am now. jaws was jaws 4.5 then 5.0 then 6.2. and thats that. At 11:33 p.m. 15/01/2008, you wrote: Wow. 3.2? I started with 3.5. The funny thing about that version of Eloquence was it sounded like it had a sinus problem compared to the newer versions. I've tried using the real speech voices that came with JAWS9 and had some trouble understanding them. They do sound a bit more natural, but sometimes they have this warble effect when they say certain words or phraises, and sometimes they don't say the entire word. -- From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 7:32 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Stefen, You aren't the first person who has said that to me. I have a friend who is also blind, but she is almost deaf in one ear and some partial loss in the other. She use to tell me she had problems using her Dectalk Express but could understand Eloquence clearly. I never understand how that could be. With my own experience when Eloquence was released with JFW 3.2 I couldn't understand it, and couldn't stand it. Of course, after a couple of releases I got use to it, and now days I can listen to it at high speed. Stefen Hudson wrote: I'm not really sure what it is. I've used Eloquence pretty much all my life, LOL. I also have a hearing impairment and can understand Eloquence better than any other voices I've tried. To mee, Eloquence is much smoother. Other voices have a warble to them sometimes. Maybe it's the frequency range too. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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probably due to the system spec, I know that after a sertain version of hal it would stutter loads since it needed more cpu and ram. At 06:10 p.m. 16/01/2008, you wrote: hi, Yeah, i haven't heard this so-called warble either. However, I have noticed over the years that Jaws has had an on and off problem with Sapi voices. They don't always run correctly with Jaws, but would work fine with Window Eyes. one case in point I had a problem with Neospeec Kate with Jaws, it wasn't fixed until a version later, but the Window Eyes of the time worked fine with it. So the warble others are talkng about is hardware related or it is a bug in the jaws version th person is using. I can say I use it all the time and have never heard a warble. Bryan wrote: Eloquence with a sinus problem. Tere's an interesting thought. I know that if you tinker with it you can make Dectalk sound like it's got a cold but I think you have to actually have the software itself, and one that isn't linked to a screen reader. I havve noticed that the ScanSoft voices are a bit sketchy with JAWS, but with Window-Eyes they work fine. As for a warble effect I've never really noticed that. I think though that the reason they might sound a bit funky on some words is that like the ATT voices they're generated with actual human voice samples. The difference is that whoever created the ScanSoft voices did a better job than whoever made the ATT Not-so-Natural voices. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Stefen Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Wow. 3.2? I started with 3.5. The funny thing about that version of Eloquence was it sounded like it had a sinus problem compared to the newer versions. I've tried using the real speech voices that came with JAWS9 and had some trouble understanding them. They do sound a bit more natural, but sometimes they have this warble effect when they say certain words or phraises, and sometimes they don't say the entire word. -- From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 7:32 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Stefen, You aren't the first person who has said that to me. I have a friend who is also blind, but she is almost deaf in one ear and some partial loss in the other. She use to tell me she had problems using her Dectalk Express but could understand Eloquence clearly. I never understand how that could be. With my own experience when Eloquence was released with JFW 3.2 I couldn't understand it, and couldn't stand it. Of course, after a couple of releases I got use to it, and now days I can listen to it at high speed. Stefen Hudson wrote: I'm not really sure what it is. I've used Eloquence pretty much all my life, LOL. I also have a hearing impairment and can understand Eloquence better than any other voices I've tried. To mee, Eloquence is much smoother. Other voices have a warble to them sometimes. Maybe it's the frequency range too. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read
Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games?
Hmm...I think eloquence. For some reason I can understand eloquence better than anything else I've tried. -- From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:39 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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probably eloquence reed, or realspeek tom. Casey - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I actually like Scansoft Tom, if that was on the list. On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:55:06 +0100, Davy Kager wrote: I would personally prefer ATT Mike or any Scansoft voice (like Daniel or so). It's a pitty that you don't have Scansoft Jeniffer, as that is my absolute favorite voice which I use for all my SAPI games. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:39 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Eloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence Reed please! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:39 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I would pick the following Mike Reed Tom Daniell (yeh, I can't spell that) sounds like he's, dunno, he just sounds...wierd. Anyways i got to catch my bus, lates Tyler - Original Message - From: Jozwiak, Hunter (K12) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 5:43 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Jill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:39 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 11/01/2008 6:09 PM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My choice would be Scansoft Tom, as he is the most understandable and natural sounding voice. Thanks. --- If guns cause crime, pencils cause misspelled words. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:39 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Davy, Actually, I do have Scansoft Jennifer around here somewhere, but I don't even know where to look for the cd at the moment. I got Jennifer as a part of one Window Eyes install ages ago, and allot of that stuff got packed up when I moved and stored in a closet somewhere. It is possible I don't have that disk any more as I tossed a bunch of stuff before moving. Though, I do think I will probably stick with the Scansoft voices for one reason over ATT. The ATT voices don't say some words correctly and can really screw up a game like STFC badly. I was using Crystal in the Alpha's and I couldn't get her to say half of the stuff correctly. Davy Kager wrote: I would personally prefer ATT Mike or any Scansoft voice (like Daniel or so). It's a pitty that you don't have Scansoft Jeniffer, as that is my absolute favorite voice which I use for all my SAPI games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi Jimmy, Quote I cant take menny of the voices from sappy. End quote I think you are confused what I mean by Sapi. I am not specifically meaning Microsoft Sapi voices. I am talking about Sapi as a architecture, and API, which is used for text to speech generation. ATT Mike is based on a Sapi API, but uses human voice samples instead of computerised voice generation. Eloquence is a Sapi based engine, but is based on Sapi 4 not Sapi 5. The scansoft voices are based on Sapi 5.1 technology but sound very human, and not robotic at all. If you were thinking of Mike, Mary, and Sam you are thinking of the wrong Sapi voices, and was not at all what I meant. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Claudio, Hmmm... I sort of was assuming here that everyone had heard the Scansoft voices etc, but yes if I had to I could provide little mp3 clips of the voices themselves saying a simple Hello I am voice x message if need be. As far as using the voice files as MP3 files in the game that wouldn't be advisable for a couple of reasons. Most operating systems allow linear sound sampling like pcm, (wav files,) but don't support all compression formats natively. For example, after the mp3 format went commercial operating systems had to license the MP3 technology to support mp3 format so Linux has pulled it from the default supported formats. You can get the support for mp3 by installing it from commercial Linux archives, but it isn't installed by default. So using mp3 under Linux isn't a good idea even though Linux users can theoretically get the support rather easily. Second, I have experienced first hand under Windows that compressing voice files into mp3, ogg, etc dramatically slows down load times for speech. I'd rather use the extra space for wav pcm samples which load faster than use a compression format that slows down game performence. Claudio wrote: Hello Thomas! Do you also record the voice as an mp3 file? This is a good idea! Not all system have the same voices installed... Can you upload examples of these voices that we can listen? Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Yeah, I really like Karen myself. She has already been incorperated into the Tomb Raider project because the voice reminds me of Lara Croft somewhat except the accent is Australian and not UK. Though, I don't think that will make a difference to most gamers. Bryan wrote: Mine would have to be either Karen or Lee. Then again that could just be because I love the Australian accent. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I would have to pick Scansoft Lee. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 10:39 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, That is interesting. Most people go for the more human sounding voices, and Eloquence is religated relegated to screen reader duty. Though, you are right I often use Eloquence for programming just because it is clear when reading certain things where the human voices use a different set of grammer rules and mess up when reading strange variable names etc. Stefen Hudson wrote: Hmm...I think eloquence. For some reason I can understand eloquence better than anything else I've tried. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I like Eloquence better than a lot of the SAPI voices, too, but did not choose it because it is not a SAPI voice, and Thom was asking about our SAPI voice of choice. --- If guns cause crime, pencils cause misspelled words. - Original Message - From: Jimmy Odin Kristoffersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Thomas. Ah, then i understand better. I'm sorry my misunderstanding. But i still best like Eloquence, he have the best voice, and yes menny are saying other wice, but you askt what peeple like as voices, and mine is for shure Eloquence. I also like mike, but he is also a bit hart to understand. All the best. Jimmy - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? hi Jimmy, Quote I cant take menny of the voices from sappy. End quote I think you are confused what I mean by Sapi. I am not specifically meaning Microsoft Sapi voices. I am talking about Sapi as a architecture, and API, which is used for text to speech generation. ATT Mike is based on a Sapi API, but uses human voice samples instead of computerised voice generation. Eloquence is a Sapi based engine, but is based on Sapi 4 not Sapi 5. The scansoft voices are based on Sapi 5.1 technology but sound very human, and not robotic at all. If you were thinking of Mike, Mary, and Sam you are thinking of the wrong Sapi voices, and was not at all what I meant. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Thomas. Ah, then i understand better. I'm sorry my misunderstanding. But i still best like Eloquence, he have the best voice, and yes menny are saying other wice, but you askt what peeple like as voices, and mine is for shure Eloquence. I also like mike, but he is also a bit hart to understand. All the best. Jimmy - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? hi Jimmy, Quote I cant take menny of the voices from sappy. End quote I think you are confused what I mean by Sapi. I am not specifically meaning Microsoft Sapi voices. I am talking about Sapi as a architecture, and API, which is used for text to speech generation. ATT Mike is based on a Sapi API, but uses human voice samples instead of computerised voice generation. Eloquence is a Sapi based engine, but is based on Sapi 4 not Sapi 5. The scansoft voices are based on Sapi 5.1 technology but sound very human, and not robotic at all. If you were thinking of Mike, Mary, and Sam you are thinking of the wrong Sapi voices, and was not at all what I meant. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Charles and all, Actually, Eloquence is a Sapi speech engine, but it was built upon Sapi 4 technology and not Sapi 5. In addition I might point out that some versions of Eloquence, the Jaws version for example, has been modified to intigrate specifically with Jaws and can't be accessed by Windows and other programs. However, the unmodified versions, such as the one that ships with Window Eyes, can be used with any application that supports Sapi 4 engines such as Text Aloud, and some games using Sapi 4. Windows however only looks for Sapi 5 engines which is why Eloquence doesn't show up in the list of available voices for Narator. So Eloquence is indeed on the list of possible voices here. I can write up any messages I need for games, convert them to wav or mp3 via Text Aloud, and drop them in any game of choice. Charles Rivard wrote: I like Eloquence better than a lot of the SAPI voices, too, but did not choose it because it is not a SAPI voice, and Thom was asking about our SAPI voice of choice. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think elequents is best, because it can be translated into several langguiges. Not to mention it's easy to understand and doesn't mess up most words, like tom or any of the scansoft voices. Maybe you could make like 2 sound packs, cuz a lot of us want scansoft, but just as many want elequents? What do you think? Rock, Cory - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi, That is interesting. Most people go for the more human sounding voices, and Eloquence is religated relegated to screen reader duty. Though, you are right I often use Eloquence for programming just because it is clear when reading certain things where the human voices use a different set of grammer rules and mess up when reading strange variable names etc. Stefen Hudson wrote: Hmm...I think eloquence. For some reason I can understand eloquence better than anything else I've tried. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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caren on both counts. At 06:39 p.m. 14/01/2008, you wrote: Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Not only that but just about everyone has Eloquence in one version or another. That way if the game were to offer expantion packs such as foreign language packs etc they could easily be introduced without allot of grief. So you have a very strong point there for including Eloquence voice samples in most games. Cory wrote: I think elequents is best, because it can be translated into several langguiges. Not to mention it's easy to understand and doesn't mess up most words, like tom or any of the scansoft voices. Maybe you could make like 2 sound packs, cuz a lot of us want scansoft, but just as many want elequents? What do you think? Rock, Cory - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi, That is interesting. Most people go for the more human sounding voices, and Eloquence is religated relegated to screen reader duty. Though, you are right I often use Eloquence for programming just because it is clear when reading certain things where the human voices use a different set of grammer rules and mess up when reading strange variable names etc. Stefen Hudson wrote: Hmm...I think eloquence. For some reason I can understand eloquence better than anything else I've tried. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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OMG! quite seriously, I'm asking what is the appeal of the eloquence voices? I mean, I personally have rarely heard voices so bad or difficult to listen to in my life. lol! I do like how responsive they are, but I'm honestly wondering what people see or hear rather, in them as far as quality?... smile As I said, humor aside, would love to hear from peeps... I personally prefer Crystal or Karen... Have an awesome day!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 14, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Cory wrote: Eloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence Reed please! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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She's already in Monte if you pay attention to the intro. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi, Yeah, I really like Karen myself. She has already been incorperated into the Tomb Raider project because the voice reminds me of Lara Croft somewhat except the accent is Australian and not UK. Though, I don't think that will make a difference to most gamers. Bryan wrote: Mine would have to be either Karen or Lee. Then again that could just be because I love the Australian accent. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I couldn't agree with you more Cara. I use Eloquence from time to time in WIndow-Eyes, but more often I use one of the higher quality voices. In fact I tend to stear clear of some of Jim Kitchen's games because I don't like Eloquence for my gaming, even if it's just for reading stat information. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? OMG! quite seriously, I'm asking what is the appeal of the eloquence voices? I mean, I personally have rarely heard voices so bad or difficult to listen to in my life. lol! I do like how responsive they are, but I'm honestly wondering what people see or hear rather, in them as far as quality?... smile As I said, humor aside, would love to hear from peeps... I personally prefer Crystal or Karen... Have an awesome day!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 14, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Cory wrote: Eloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence Reed please! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Cara, I personally like the elequence reed because it is very easy to understand and the response time is very good. Then again I have not heard the scansoft voices seeing as I have been a JAWS user ever since I went blind and got my first computer. Greg - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? OMG! quite seriously, I'm asking what is the appeal of the eloquence voices? I mean, I personally have rarely heard voices so bad or difficult to listen to in my life. lol! I do like how responsive they are, but I'm honestly wondering what people see or hear rather, in them as far as quality?... smile As I said, humor aside, would love to hear from peeps... I personally prefer Crystal or Karen... Have an awesome day!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 14, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Cory wrote: Eloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence Reed please! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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They don't even say most common words correctly, let alone Star Trek or Star Wars names. That's why my top three engines are NeoSpeech, ScanSoft and Cepstral, though not necessarily in that order. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Davy, Actually, I do have Scansoft Jennifer around here somewhere, but I don't even know where to look for the cd at the moment. I got Jennifer as a part of one Window Eyes install ages ago, and allot of that stuff got packed up when I moved and stored in a closet somewhere. It is possible I don't have that disk any more as I tossed a bunch of stuff before moving. Though, I do think I will probably stick with the Scansoft voices for one reason over ATT. The ATT voices don't say some words correctly and can really screw up a game like STFC badly. I was using Crystal in the Alpha's and I couldn't get her to say half of the stuff correctly. Davy Kager wrote: I would personally prefer ATT Mike or any Scansoft voice (like Daniel or so). It's a pitty that you don't have Scansoft Jeniffer, as that is my absolute favorite voice which I use for all my SAPI games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I tend to agree with you Thomas. That's why I stay away from some of Jim's self-voicing games. I don't like Eloquence in games. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi, That is interesting. Most people go for the more human sounding voices, and Eloquence is religated relegated to screen reader duty. Though, you are right I often use Eloquence for programming just because it is clear when reading certain things where the human voices use a different set of grammer rules and mess up when reading strange variable names etc. Stefen Hudson wrote: Hmm...I think eloquence. For some reason I can understand eloquence better than anything else I've tried. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Cara, I'm not sure, but Eloquence appears to have a die-hard group of followers in the blind comunity. Made largely popular by Jaws. Window Eyes comes with Dectalk which is what I use allot of the time with WE unless I need something foreign language related. Personally, for myself I love using Karen to read books and voice audio games. I'm not sure how she can sound worse than Eloquence, and that opinion might be based on some folks haven't heard better voices than Eloquence such as Karen or Daniel which are some of the best in my opinion. Cara Quinn wrote: OMG! quite seriously, I'm asking what is the appeal of the eloquence voices? I mean, I personally have rarely heard voices so bad or difficult to listen to in my life. lol! I do like how responsive they are, but I'm honestly wondering what people see or hear rather, in them as far as quality?... smile As I said, humor aside, would love to hear from peeps... I personally prefer Crystal or Karen... Have an awesome day!... Smiles, Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Actually I haven't had the ScanSoft voices mess up, at least not unbearably so. But I really don't like Eloquence in games. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Cory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? I think elequents is best, because it can be translated into several langguiges. Not to mention it's easy to understand and doesn't mess up most words, like tom or any of the scansoft voices. Maybe you could make like 2 sound packs, cuz a lot of us want scansoft, but just as many want elequents? What do you think? Rock, Cory - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi, That is interesting. Most people go for the more human sounding voices, and Eloquence is religated relegated to screen reader duty. Though, you are right I often use Eloquence for programming just because it is clear when reading certain things where the human voices use a different set of grammer rules and mess up when reading strange variable names etc. Stefen Hudson wrote: Hmm...I think eloquence. For some reason I can understand eloquence better than anything else I've tried. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I personally feel, and this is just my personal opinion, that perhaps there should be sound packs with different voices. That way you have options if you don't want Eloquence. Perhaps make it an option that you can create your own sound packs, then just have the game look for a specific format of file as well as a certain filename. Then as long as your home created files conformed to those rules you could theoretically have whatever voice you wanted. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi, Not only that but just about everyone has Eloquence in one version or another. That way if the game were to offer expantion packs such as foreign language packs etc they could easily be introduced without allot of grief. So you have a very strong point there for including Eloquence voice samples in most games. Cory wrote: I think elequents is best, because it can be translated into several langguiges. Not to mention it's easy to understand and doesn't mess up most words, like tom or any of the scansoft voices. Maybe you could make like 2 sound packs, cuz a lot of us want scansoft, but just as many want elequents? What do you think? Rock, Cory - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi, That is interesting. Most people go for the more human sounding voices, and Eloquence is religated relegated to screen reader duty. Though, you are right I often use Eloquence for programming just because it is clear when reading certain things where the human voices use a different set of grammer rules and mess up when reading strange variable names etc. Stefen Hudson wrote: Hmm...I think eloquence. For some reason I can understand eloquence better than anything else I've tried. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hmm. Here's an but abserd idea. Why not have sound packs for all the voices? That'll be a lot of work most likely. If they were standard wav files, people could make their own packs, and then everyone would be happy. Myself, I like Eloquence, Dectalk is also good. But for a game ScanSoft Tom, Daniel, and Samantha, also Jill are good. I have Karen, but I usually use Tom or Daniel. On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:46:07 -0500, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Cara, I'm not sure, but Eloquence appears to have a die-hard group of followers in the blind comunity. Made largely popular by Jaws. Window Eyes comes with Dectalk which is what I use allot of the time with WE unless I need something foreign language related. Personally, for myself I love using Karen to read books and voice audio games. I'm not sure how she can sound worse than Eloquence, and that opinion might be based on some folks haven't heard better voices than Eloquence such as Karen or Daniel which are some of the best in my opinion. Cara Quinn wrote: OMG! quite seriously, I'm asking what is the appeal of the eloquence voices? I mean, I personally have rarely heard voices so bad or difficult to listen to in my life. lol! I do like how responsive they are, but I'm honestly wondering what people see or hear rather, in them as far as quality?... smile As I said, humor aside, would love to hear from peeps... I personally prefer Crystal or Karen... Have an awesome day!... Smiles, Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi. I've actually gotten so use to eloquence from my Icon Braille+1 from Jaws, from my BrailleNote1 from this, from that, from the other thing... On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:53:50 -0700, Bryan wrote: I couldn't agree with you more Cara. I use Eloquence from time to time in WIndow-Eyes, but more often I use one of the higher quality voices. In fact I tend to stear clear of some of Jim Kitchen's games because I don't like Eloquence for my gaming, even if it's just for reading stat information. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? OMG! quite seriously, I'm asking what is the appeal of the eloquence voices? I mean, I personally have rarely heard voices so bad or difficult to listen to in my life. lol! I do like how responsive they are, but I'm honestly wondering what people see or hear rather, in them as far as quality?... smile As I said, humor aside, would love to hear from peeps... I personally prefer Crystal or Karen... Have an awesome day!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 14, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Cory wrote: Eloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence Reed please! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, If you think Eloquence is bad think about Espeak. That is a voice that takes some serious getting use to. I use it under Linux with Orca only because it is fast and responsive, but the voice output would kill any game. It is bad enough when having to read books and stuff with it. With Eloquence and Espeak compared side by side I think Eloquence would win just because we have all gotten use to it even though it doesn't sound as human as Scansoft, Loquendo, Cepstral, etc. Bryan wrote: I couldn't agree with you more Cara. I use Eloquence from time to time in WIndow-Eyes, but more often I use one of the higher quality voices. In fact I tend to stear clear of some of Jim Kitchen's games because I don't like Eloquence for my gaming, even if it's just for reading stat information. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi. Great idea! Exactly what I was trying to get at. Lol. On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:51:48 -0700, Bryan wrote: I personally feel, and this is just my personal opinion, that perhaps there should be sound packs with different voices. That way you have options if you don't want Eloquence. Perhaps make it an option that you can create your own sound packs, then just have the game look for a specific format of file as well as a certain filename. Then as long as your home created files conformed to those rules you could theoretically have whatever voice you wanted. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi, Not only that but just about everyone has Eloquence in one version or another. That way if the game were to offer expantion packs such as foreign language packs etc they could easily be introduced without allot of grief. So you have a very strong point there for including Eloquence voice samples in most games. Cory wrote: I think elequents is best, because it can be translated into several langguiges. Not to mention it's easy to understand and doesn't mess up most words, like tom or any of the scansoft voices. Maybe you could make like 2 sound packs, cuz a lot of us want scansoft, but just as many want elequents? What do you think? Rock, Cory - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi, That is interesting. Most people go for the more human sounding voices, and Eloquence is religated relegated to screen reader duty. Though, you are right I often use Eloquence for programming just because it is clear when reading certain things where the human voices use a different set of grammer rules and mess up when reading strange variable names etc. Stefen Hudson wrote: Hmm...I think eloquence. For some reason I can understand eloquence better than anything else I've tried. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Having extra voice packs for a small game wouldn't be too bad, but for large projects there would be no way. For example, as part of my porting process for Tomb Raider I have about 200 wav samples of Scansoft Karen, and it is far from finished. I know STFC 1.2 shipped with 296 wav samples of Scansoft Karen, and the earlier Alphas actually had well over 300. It takes around three or four days alone just to create one set of voice files, and then they have to be tested to make sure they work properly. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm. Here's an but abserd idea. Why not have sound packs for all the voices? That'll be a lot of work most likely. If they were standard wav files, people could make their own packs, and then everyone would be happy. Myself, I like Eloquence, Dectalk is also good. But for a game ScanSoft Tom, Daniel, and Samantha, also Jill are good. I have Karen, but I usually use Tom or Daniel. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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well In hal and jaws I use the orpheus1 and eloquence synths for a responsiveness thing. They do actually suck, however they are low processer and memmory using which is why I use them. At 12:53 p.m. 15/01/2008, you wrote: I couldn't agree with you more Cara. I use Eloquence from time to time in WIndow-Eyes, but more often I use one of the higher quality voices. In fact I tend to stear clear of some of Jim Kitchen's games because I don't like Eloquence for my gaming, even if it's just for reading stat information. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? OMG! quite seriously, I'm asking what is the appeal of the eloquence voices? I mean, I personally have rarely heard voices so bad or difficult to listen to in my life. lol! I do like how responsive they are, but I'm honestly wondering what people see or hear rather, in them as far as quality?... smile As I said, humor aside, would love to hear from peeps... I personally prefer Crystal or Karen... Have an awesome day!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 14, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Cory wrote: Eloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence Reed please! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think that there should be sound packs for those that wants them and sapi for those that it works with. I also like the current way things are being done, call me sellfish or whatever but everyting works here, but maybe its because I have realspeak on here rather than anything else. If I hadn't got rs loaded I'd be pushing for speech voices. Besides tom you were touting sapi as a really good thing when we did have voice packs and I was against that, now just when I am getting used to the small filesizes its like um, voice files again. At 12:51 p.m. 15/01/2008, you wrote: I personally feel, and this is just my personal opinion, that perhaps there should be sound packs with different voices. That way you have options if you don't want Eloquence. Perhaps make it an option that you can create your own sound packs, then just have the game look for a specific format of file as well as a certain filename. Then as long as your home created files conformed to those rules you could theoretically have whatever voice you wanted. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi, Not only that but just about everyone has Eloquence in one version or another. That way if the game were to offer expantion packs such as foreign language packs etc they could easily be introduced without allot of grief. So you have a very strong point there for including Eloquence voice samples in most games. Cory wrote: I think elequents is best, because it can be translated into several langguiges. Not to mention it's easy to understand and doesn't mess up most words, like tom or any of the scansoft voices. Maybe you could make like 2 sound packs, cuz a lot of us want scansoft, but just as many want elequents? What do you think? Rock, Cory - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi, That is interesting. Most people go for the more human sounding voices, and Eloquence is religated relegated to screen reader duty. Though, you are right I often use Eloquence for programming just because it is clear when reading certain things where the human voices use a different set of grammer rules and mess up when reading strange variable names etc. Stefen Hudson wrote: Hmm...I think eloquence. For some reason I can understand eloquence better than anything else I've tried. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail
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Well, for one thing, elequence can be cranked up to speak so much faster. For another, other languages are easy to port to it, I think? And yet another, as you said, its responsive. If I were to use sapi 5 in miriani, and I had like 20 ships near me and they were all locking onto me at once, I'd be blown up before you can say move. Just my two cents, Tyler - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? OMG! quite seriously, I'm asking what is the appeal of the eloquence voices? I mean, I personally have rarely heard voices so bad or difficult to listen to in my life. lol! I do like how responsive they are, but I'm honestly wondering what people see or hear rather, in them as far as quality?... smile As I said, humor aside, would love to hear from peeps... I personally prefer Crystal or Karen... Have an awesome day!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 14, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Cory wrote: Eloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence Reed please! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1223 - Release Date: 13/01/2008 8:23 PM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Tom, Instead of you taking the time to record the voice clips, I already have some recorded which you might find interesting. If you'd like, email me off list and I'd be glad to send those along. Tyler - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi Claudio, Hmmm... I sort of was assuming here that everyone had heard the Scansoft voices etc, but yes if I had to I could provide little mp3 clips of the voices themselves saying a simple Hello I am voice x message if need be. As far as using the voice files as MP3 files in the game that wouldn't be advisable for a couple of reasons. Most operating systems allow linear sound sampling like pcm, (wav files,) but don't support all compression formats natively. For example, after the mp3 format went commercial operating systems had to license the MP3 technology to support mp3 format so Linux has pulled it from the default supported formats. You can get the support for mp3 by installing it from commercial Linux archives, but it isn't installed by default. So using mp3 under Linux isn't a good idea even though Linux users can theoretically get the support rather easily. Second, I have experienced first hand under Windows that compressing voice files into mp3, ogg, etc dramatically slows down load times for speech. I'd rather use the extra space for wav pcm samples which load faster than use a compression format that slows down game performence. Claudio wrote: Hello Thomas! Do you also record the voice as an mp3 file? This is a good idea! Not all system have the same voices installed... Can you upload examples of these voices that we can listen? Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1223 - Release Date: 13/01/2008 8:23 PM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I suppose that could work, for voice things for speech I'd have no actual issue. Some things in the acefire game by x-sight are in the public domain, the speech files mainly and some sounds, I know that loads of effects avalible in some older versions like the computer impacts, char screams and death sound were from ljudo.com and hmm. all that aint free is the music, and logos. At least I think so, aah I think the loading sound I think. At 12:56 p.m. 15/01/2008, you wrote: Hmm. Here's an but abserd idea. Why not have sound packs for all the voices? That'll be a lot of work most likely. If they were standard wav files, people could make their own packs, and then everyone would be happy. Myself, I like Eloquence, Dectalk is also good. But for a game ScanSoft Tom, Daniel, and Samantha, also Jill are good. I have Karen, but I usually use Tom or Daniel. On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:46:07 -0500, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Cara, I'm not sure, but Eloquence appears to have a die-hard group of followers in the blind comunity. Made largely popular by Jaws. Window Eyes comes with Dectalk which is what I use allot of the time with WE unless I need something foreign language related. Personally, for myself I love using Karen to read books and voice audio games. I'm not sure how she can sound worse than Eloquence, and that opinion might be based on some folks haven't heard better voices than Eloquence such as Karen or Daniel which are some of the best in my opinion. Cara Quinn wrote: OMG! quite seriously, I'm asking what is the appeal of the eloquence voices? I mean, I personally have rarely heard voices so bad or difficult to listen to in my life. lol! I do like how responsive they are, but I'm honestly wondering what people see or hear rather, in them as far as quality?... smile As I said, humor aside, would love to hear from peeps... I personally prefer Crystal or Karen... Have an awesome day!... Smiles, Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Bryan, Yeah, the only problem with having end users creating their own sound packs is that they will have to rebuild the jar package from scratch, and if they don't know how to do that I wouldn't recommend unpacking the jar file modifying it and rebuilding it on their own. The manifest file for the jar file has to have the class path and main class information correct or it won't exicute correctly. While it would be possible to put these wav files out side the main jar package it then becomes an issue of exicution time. For time sensative stuff like swopping wav files on the fly or blazing images and graphics all sources I have read say those files need to be packed with the classes in the same jar file for increased exicution and speed of the jvm and your app in real time That might prove too much for the average Joe out there.. Bryan wrote: I personally feel, and this is just my personal opinion, that perhaps there should be sound packs with different voices. That way you have options if you don't want Eloquence. Perhaps make it an option that you can create your own sound packs, then just have the game look for a specific format of file as well as a certain filename. Then as long as your home created files conformed to those rules you could theoretically have whatever voice you wanted. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wow, ok, scratch that. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hi, Having extra voice packs for a small game wouldn't be too bad, but for large projects there would be no way. For example, as part of my porting process for Tomb Raider I have about 200 wav samples of Scansoft Karen, and it is far from finished. I know STFC 1.2 shipped with 296 wav samples of Scansoft Karen, and the earlier Alphas actually had well over 300. It takes around three or four days alone just to create one set of voice files, and then they have to be tested to make sure they work properly. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm. Here's an but abserd idea. Why not have sound packs for all the voices? That'll be a lot of work most likely. If they were standard wav files, people could make their own packs, and then everyone would be happy. Myself, I like Eloquence, Dectalk is also good. But for a game ScanSoft Tom, Daniel, and Samantha, also Jill are good. I have Karen, but I usually use Tom or Daniel. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1223 - Release Date: 13/01/2008 8:23 PM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Tyler, Yeah, Eloquence can speak rather fast when you are using the engine, but since I will be using wav samples the game version would not have that blazing speed you are discussing here. The speech output and speed would be similar to and probably work allot like it does in Shades of Doom. Not bad, gets the job done, but you aren't going to be doing 400 or 500 words a minute in my games. So comparing weather something like Scansoft or Eloquence is more responsive in this case would be a mute point here. Tyler Wood wrote: Well, for one thing, elequence can be cranked up to speak so much faster. For another, other languages are easy to port to it, I think? And yet another, as you said, its responsive. If I were to use sapi 5 in miriani, and I had like 20 ships near me and they were all locking onto me at once, I'd be blown up before you can say move. Just my two cents, Tyler --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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it's all jfw's fault it's the diffault voice! - Original Message - From: Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello Cara, I personally like the elequence reed because it is very easy to understand and the response time is very good. Then again I have not heard the scansoft voices seeing as I have been a JAWS user ever since I went blind and got my first computer. Greg - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? OMG! quite seriously, I'm asking what is the appeal of the eloquence voices? I mean, I personally have rarely heard voices so bad or difficult to listen to in my life. lol! I do like how responsive they are, but I'm honestly wondering what people see or hear rather, in them as far as quality?... smile As I said, humor aside, would love to hear from peeps... I personally prefer Crystal or Karen... Have an awesome day!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 14, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Cory wrote: Eloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence Reed please! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm not really sure what it is. I've used Eloquence pretty much all my life, LOL. I also have a hearing impairment and can understand Eloquence better than any other voices I've tried. To mee, Eloquence is much smoother. Other voices have a warble to them sometimes. Maybe it's the frequency range too. -- From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:17 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? OMG! quite seriously, I'm asking what is the appeal of the eloquence voices? I mean, I personally have rarely heard voices so bad or difficult to listen to in my life. lol! I do like how responsive they are, but I'm honestly wondering what people see or hear rather, in them as far as quality?... smile As I said, humor aside, would love to hear from peeps... I personally prefer Crystal or Karen... Have an awesome day!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 14, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Cory wrote: Eloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence ReedEloquence Reed please! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Prefered Sapi voice for games? Hello gamers, This weekend I have began porting Raceway and Tomb Raider to Java 6, and I have decided in the interests of the cross platform nature of the games as well as end user complaints of Sapi 5 during Monte testing I am probably going to return to including pre-recorded voice files in the games. However, before I do so out of the voices below which would you personally like to see for Raceway and other USA Games. ATT Crystal ATT Mike Eloquence Reed Scansoft Caren Scansoft Emily Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Jill Scansoft Lee Scansoft Tom Out of the list above if you had a favorite which would you pick? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
