Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Dark, As I said, no disrespect intended and I did not say that you were not trying. I simply asked why you seemed to be giving up. Now, that came from the tone of this thread, so my apologies if I misunderstood or if my remarks were at all inappropriate. I can assure you that is never my intention. I do know about your PHD and have quite a bit of respect for that, so just wanting to be clear and let you know. :) However, when threads seem to devolve into people passing around pity, without any ideas to try to help them get out of it, then I tend to bristle a bit. ;) I'm sure you understand. Thank you very much for sharing your efforts! It's very heartening to read. So please know that it's appreciated here! :) As for banging your head against walls which don't seem to be yielding, I agree, focus your effort where you can. If something is resisting then it is usually either not the right time or another differently creative approach may be necessary to help you move toward your intention. Thank you again for sharing what you are doing to promote accessibility. I tend to think that more of what you shared in your below note, would be terrific on this list. Have a great night! Cara :) --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Dec 11, 2013, at 4:13 PM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: With respect Kara while I aprpeciate your sentiment, at the same time I slightly resent your implication that I do not try with access and advocacy. I spend a considderable amount of time talking to everyone from game developers to shop keepers to even professors, religious leaders, stage directors and even government ministers about access issues, heck I've just spent the last five years writing a phd on the subject! Just today I was discussing game access with a certain developer and indeed I opened my E-mail to share some good news with the list. I'm not saying this to sound arrogant or pretend credit I don't have. There are plenty of good access advocates on the world and indeed many I've met on this list, however please bare in mind when I talk of difficulties with major coorporations, I do so based on a number of experiences. You are absolutely correct that not all major companies are like this (I got a recent surprise from a rail company over guide dogs and setaing for example), however in my general experience someone like mcdonalds, burger king etc is not likely to listen. it's worth a try, indeed whenever I go to a new restaurant I always ask for a braille menu out of reflex just to publicise the need for access, (maybe I should start asking for html ones to read on my iphone instead), however once tried it's likely better to move on to something achieveable than just bang your head against the same brick wall over and over again. For example, I've three times spoken to nintendo, and twice to capcom, and got no where on any occasion. With Indi developers however the reccord has been much more positive, therefore I know which games companies I will spend my time trying to talk to. Hope this makes sense. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Dark, HOw much do you want it and why are you giving up so easily? I'm not trying to disrespect you or in any way invalidate your efforts but if these things are important to you then you owe it to yourself to continue in pursuing them. Just because people say no does not mean that that is the final word. Things change. People change. corporations change and corporate culture changes. -But if you do not continue in the direction you need to then you can be sure that change (if it comes) will come much more slowly without your efforts. How do you think movements get started? Someone doesn't just go out one day and suddenly have a boatload of willing followers and people giving them what they need. ;) No, they need to build credibility and trust over time, until people begin to start seeing things differently. I know this is a gaming list / thread but seriously, if we want accessibility then we are the ones who need to continue promoting this and working with people and companies to get it. Please do not give up, K? Thanks, Cara :) --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Dec 11, 2013, at 9:09 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Sadly charlse that's not how most coroproations work, what, do something against the main corproate policy? they could get into trouble! I'm actually
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Kara. Fair enough and I appreciate the appology. I should have some access news about another game on friday which came from a discussion with an Indi developer however he himself has asked me to not jump the gun since he wants to give me some more information. I do take your point about negativity and access, so in light of that I'll share a recent experience I had which was extremely! positive. One thing I have noticed is that certain Muslims have a real issue with Guide dogs on religious grounds. While this is by no means universal, indeed most Muslims I encounter have no problem at all, (heck the shop where I regularly buy milk and other necessities a couple of times a week is owned by a Muslim chap), whe it comes up it can cause quite a lot of trouble with plane access. My mum for example during a visit to London was told in a shop in London to leave. When she tried to point out that access for guide dogs was part of British Law and showed her certificate, the shop keeperr was adamant that this did not matter, that it was part of his religion to not allow dogs, that dogs were dirty. He was not offensive or threatening, but he was nevertheless absolutely adamant that my mum was not permitted in his shop, a general supermarkit. Then she had a similar experience with a taxi driver. since this is by no means universal and since I know for certain there are Muslim guide dog owners, (indeed there might well be some on this list), I decided to investigate the situation and phoned the British counsel on Sharia islamic Law. The counsel were absolutely fantastic to deal with. It turns out (and any Muslims on list feel free to correct me), that while there is indeed a rule in the Koran about dogs being unclean, there is at the same time an allowance made for dogs as working animals. Thus sheep dogs, guard dogs or indeed guide dogs are quite okay under Muslim religious law, indeed the man I spoke to at the counsel accused those Muslims who'd been hostile to access with a guide dog of ignorance of Islamic doctrin, as well as being in the wrong from a muslim perspective for going against British law. They then put me in touch with one of their top experts in Islamic law, who wrote me a note sighting the correct bits of the Koran with his own cridentials as an Islamic scholer that I can show if the situation comes up again, and stated if I told other guide dog users he and the counsel would be willing to write similar information, indeed I suggested to the Guide Dogs association that something of the sort be included in the usual small card about the legal permission of guide dogs which I, and other guide dog owners in Britain usually carry around. This I was really pleased about, indeed as I said I was most impressed with the Sharia counsel's attitude, particularly since I did wonder, with this being a matter of religious doctrin just how far I'd get with this. So, there is one example of a recent positive occasion of access advocacy, just to prove that not everything is so grim :D. Of course, it all comes down to people and how reasonable people are prepared to be. Beware the Grue! DArk. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Dark: All too true. We have been over this ground before, and unfortunately there is not much we can do as individuals. Especially, when organizations and so forth is not on our side in the case of providing access to products and services. For example, I know there are a number of game studios over their in the U.K. They would probably listen more to someone like the RNIB rather than you. However, the RNIB has no interest in getting in contact with those game studios about accessibility when they have their own agenda which pretty much includes everyone over 60 and to hell with anyone else. Its obvious when the only games they support is the Azabat games when there are accessible games from GMA, Draconis, and so on to give them a bigger catalog but don't. Unfortunately, in cases like that the situation isn't always better over here. We have the NFB which claims to be looking out for the interests of the blind they represent, but all too often it seems like they try and play both ends at the middle. What I mean by that is they are on both sides of every issue and it is hard to get a straight answer from them what they actually stand for regarding certain issues. In any case I don't think they consider accessible games a high priority so even though they have considerable influence they will only champion the issues that they think are important, and needless to say the NFB and I don't agree on what is and is not important. However, getting back to the point, as an individual companies be they a multimillion dollar restaurant chain or a game studio they will swat us off as easily as swatting a gnat. We neither have the money or influence to get them to listen. However, we can effect local businesses and indie developers and if more and more of them adopt accessibility it will slowly trickle up to the corporations who will see that accessibility isn't as expensive or difficult as they imagine. Cheers! On 12/10/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Unfortunately as usual, getting in touch with anyone who actually matters in a corporation is near impossibel. However pleasant the staff, even the management are, they can't affect any change in their huge faceless corporate empire that is run from some massive office somewhere else. As with game access this is another case of the larger the ant hill, the bigger the stink! Beware the Grue! Dark. - --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Tom. Your statement about small developers is certainly true as I've said before, indi devs tend to be on average very nice to deal with, though whether the fat cat coorporations such as Sony, Nintendo, Capcom, square, namco etc will take any notice whatsoever is quite another question. The problem with small restaurants however is that access costs money they don't have and if they are told well you can get a braille menu printed for 500 pounds they're just not going to do it since they don't have that sort of investment. This is actually where information technology and some of the principles employed in game access would have a very good application in other areas, since for all the time and resources one fact is that it's far easier to provide an accessible alternative of something online than it is off it. For example, you know I am a major fan of the sight Chronicles of Arborell with their gamebooks, novellas, mythology etc. Back in 2007 when i first discovered arborell the only inaccessible part of the site was the timeline, since the gm had created this entirely as a graphical flow diagram which was utterly unreadable, (even the text of dates etc was part of the over all image). It however wasn't so difficult for him to create a list version instead, after all he already had the information on his computer, it was just a matter of copying it into another format and writing it as a list rather than the fancy image thingy he'd done which no doubt looks much nicer for sighted visitors but is of no use to the lusiently disadvantaged. This cost him nothing but a little time, where as had the Arborell collection been physical books and had there been a need to provide a similar timeline in braille, goodness knows what the cost might be, heck, I remember the trouble of having such things produced back when I was doing maths and history at school. I actually do wonder if there would be mileage in setting up a charity or small business for precisely this purpose, say charging something like 5 usd per A4 page to produce an accessible html version of something like a menue, an events schedule, a time table etc. Heck, even for 100 pages this would still work out a fraction of the cost of something in braille, and would also have the advantage of being far more easily alterable over time just as a print menu would be, after all even when I've been in places like the restaurant chain Tgi Fridays which does! have a braille menue, it doesn't show any of their offers or specials or even their most recently added dishes. Myself, I actually see this inequity in production cost being another major factor in Braille falling out of use in the future, since while it is true that currently the Rnib and similar organizations don't know computer exist, that is likely to change in 10, 20, 30 years when generations who have grown up with computer use get to be 50 plus and start losing their vision, heck the lady I did my guide dog training with was a programmer in her early 40's who'd lost most of her vision recently (of course I told her about audiogames.net and accessible computer games, and that Jaws wasn't the only choice when it came to screen readers). Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Possibly, just because a corporation does not offer a braille menu, a manager might do so. Just because The Game Stop does not sell accessible chess equipment, one store might be able to accommodate a blind chess enthusiast. In order to get to the top, you've got to start at the bottom. Maybe, with enough requests, the word will get to the top, eventually. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:36 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Dark: All too true. We have been over this ground before, and unfortunately there is not much we can do as individuals. Especially, when organizations and so forth is not on our side in the case of providing access to products and services. For example, I know there are a number of game studios over their in the U.K. They would probably listen more to someone like the RNIB rather than you. However, the RNIB has no interest in getting in contact with those game studios about accessibility when they have their own agenda which pretty much includes everyone over 60 and to hell with anyone else. Its obvious when the only games they support is the Azabat games when there are accessible games from GMA, Draconis, and so on to give them a bigger catalog but don't. Unfortunately, in cases like that the situation isn't always better over here. We have the NFB which claims to be looking out for the interests of the blind they represent, but all too often it seems like they try and play both ends at the middle. What I mean by that is they are on both sides of every issue and it is hard to get a straight answer from them what they actually stand for regarding certain issues. In any case I don't think they consider accessible games a high priority so even though they have considerable influence they will only champion the issues that they think are important, and needless to say the NFB and I don't agree on what is and is not important. However, getting back to the point, as an individual companies be they a multimillion dollar restaurant chain or a game studio they will swat us off as easily as swatting a gnat. We neither have the money or influence to get them to listen. However, we can effect local businesses and indie developers and if more and more of them adopt accessibility it will slowly trickle up to the corporations who will see that accessibility isn't as expensive or difficult as they imagine. Cheers! On 12/10/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Unfortunately as usual, getting in touch with anyone who actually matters in a corporation is near impossibel. However pleasant the staff, even the management are, they can't affect any change in their huge faceless corporate empire that is run from some massive office somewhere else. As with game access this is another case of the larger the ant hill, the bigger the stink! Beware the Grue! Dark. - --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Sadly charlse that's not how most coroproations work, what, do something against the main corproate policy? they could get into trouble! I'm actually serious on this, the amount of times I've asked for some sort of access considderation and been told some varient of sorry head office won't let me is quite ridiculous, in coorporations, governmental organizations, even charrities! As I said, the bigger the ant hill, the bigger the stink. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Possibly, just because a corporation does not offer a braille menu, a manager might do so. Just because The Game Stop does not sell accessible chess equipment, one store might be able to accommodate a blind chess enthusiast. In order to get to the top, you've got to start at the bottom. Maybe, with enough requests, the word will get to the top, eventually. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:36 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Dark: All too true. We have been over this ground before, and unfortunately there is not much we can do as individuals. Especially, when organizations and so forth is not on our side in the case of providing access to products and services. For example, I know there are a number of game studios over their in the U.K. They would probably listen more to someone like the RNIB rather than you. However, the RNIB has no interest in getting in contact with those game studios about accessibility when they have their own agenda which pretty much includes everyone over 60 and to hell with anyone else. Its obvious when the only games they support is the Azabat games when there are accessible games from GMA, Draconis, and so on to give them a bigger catalog but don't. Unfortunately, in cases like that the situation isn't always better over here. We have the NFB which claims to be looking out for the interests of the blind they represent, but all too often it seems like they try and play both ends at the middle. What I mean by that is they are on both sides of every issue and it is hard to get a straight answer from them what they actually stand for regarding certain issues. In any case I don't think they consider accessible games a high priority so even though they have considerable influence they will only champion the issues that they think are important, and needless to say the NFB and I don't agree on what is and is not important. However, getting back to the point, as an individual companies be they a multimillion dollar restaurant chain or a game studio they will swat us off as easily as swatting a gnat. We neither have the money or influence to get them to listen. However, we can effect local businesses and indie developers and if more and more of them adopt accessibility it will slowly trickle up to the corporations who will see that accessibility isn't as expensive or difficult as they imagine. Cheers! On 12/10/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Unfortunately as usual, getting in touch with anyone who actually matters in a corporation is near impossibel. However pleasant the staff, even the management are, they can't affect any change in their huge faceless corporate empire that is run from some massive office somewhere else. As with game access this is another case of the larger the ant hill, the bigger the stink! Beware the Grue! Dark. - --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
OMG! Charles, thank you thank you thank you for saying this! My thoughts exactly! :) Rather than dwell on the negative and promote those ideas, it is so important to focus on what is doable and go in that direction. NOw some may argue that certain things are not doable. I say you decide what is doable. You create what is doable and you act to achieve that which is doable. :) Know what I mean. So rather than complain about things or say why they are not possible, simply start making them possible. this is what your brain and imagination and inspiration are for! This is creativity… I have a friend (sighted) who routinely contacts businesses to review their services. (good or bad) Not only does he ALWAYS get a response, but he ALWAYS succeeds in locating the person he would like to speak with. So honestly people, this 'poor me' stuff about big scary companies not having any way at all for poor little people to get in touch with them is just not true. First off, this isn't always instant and you don't always get the answers you can use right away. However, this does not mean that you cannot get the answers you want. You simply need to work with people to have them direct you to the people who can make decisions. This is a process and how much you want or need this process to work in your favor is up to you. How important is this to you? How much time are you willing to put into it? In order for this to be worth it you need to believe that this will be worth it. So giving up hope or being negative is not helping you or anyone else. In fact, I'd personally go so far as to say it is dangerous in the end. Would we have the advancements we have now if people responsible for them just gave up and said to heck with it? No, we would not. You're here in the world to make a positive difference and to help others do the same. So why not start by taking steps that you can. Stay hopeful. Stay positive. This is so very important. On the subject of Braille menus, if a restaurant cannot make you one, then why not offer to make one for them? You get what you want, and they get something that not only shows their awareness, but also may help others in your position whom you have not even met yet. You may also even get some financial recompense out of it! :) it's a win / win / win… -Seriously!… :) Anyway, thanks for reading and thanks again Charles, for your note! Smiles, Cara :) --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Dec 11, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Possibly, just because a corporation does not offer a braille menu, a manager might do so. Just because The Game Stop does not sell accessible chess equipment, one store might be able to accommodate a blind chess enthusiast. In order to get to the top, you've got to start at the bottom. Maybe, with enough requests, the word will get to the top, eventually. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:36 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Dark: All too true. We have been over this ground before, and unfortunately there is not much we can do as individuals. Especially, when organizations and so forth is not on our side in the case of providing access to products and services. For example, I know there are a number of game studios over their in the U.K. They would probably listen more to someone like the RNIB rather than you. However, the RNIB has no interest in getting in contact with those game studios about accessibility when they have their own agenda which pretty much includes everyone over 60 and to hell with anyone else. Its obvious when the only games they support is the Azabat games when there are accessible games from GMA, Draconis, and so on to give them a bigger catalog but don't. Unfortunately, in cases like that the situation isn't always better over here. We have the NFB which claims to be looking out for the interests of the blind they represent, but all too often it seems like they try and play both ends at the middle. What I mean by that is they are on both sides of every issue and it is hard to get a straight answer from them what they actually stand for regarding certain issues. In any case I don't think they consider accessible games a high priority so even though they have considerable influence they will only champion the issues that they think are important, and needless to say the NFB and I don't agree on what is and is not important. However, getting back to the point, as an individual companies be they a multimillion dollar restaurant chain
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Dark, HOw much do you want it and why are you giving up so easily? I'm not trying to disrespect you or in any way invalidate your efforts but if these things are important to you then you owe it to yourself to continue in pursuing them. Just because people say no does not mean that that is the final word. Things change. People change. corporations change and corporate culture changes. -But if you do not continue in the direction you need to then you can be sure that change (if it comes) will come much more slowly without your efforts. How do you think movements get started? Someone doesn't just go out one day and suddenly have a boatload of willing followers and people giving them what they need. ;) No, they need to build credibility and trust over time, until people begin to start seeing things differently. I know this is a gaming list / thread but seriously, if we want accessibility then we are the ones who need to continue promoting this and working with people and companies to get it. Please do not give up, K? Thanks, Cara :) --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Dec 11, 2013, at 9:09 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Sadly charlse that's not how most coroproations work, what, do something against the main corproate policy? they could get into trouble! I'm actually serious on this, the amount of times I've asked for some sort of access considderation and been told some varient of sorry head office won't let me is quite ridiculous, in coorporations, governmental organizations, even charrities! As I said, the bigger the ant hill, the bigger the stink. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Possibly, just because a corporation does not offer a braille menu, a manager might do so. Just because The Game Stop does not sell accessible chess equipment, one store might be able to accommodate a blind chess enthusiast. In order to get to the top, you've got to start at the bottom. Maybe, with enough requests, the word will get to the top, eventually. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:36 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Dark: All too true. We have been over this ground before, and unfortunately there is not much we can do as individuals. Especially, when organizations and so forth is not on our side in the case of providing access to products and services. For example, I know there are a number of game studios over their in the U.K. They would probably listen more to someone like the RNIB rather than you. However, the RNIB has no interest in getting in contact with those game studios about accessibility when they have their own agenda which pretty much includes everyone over 60 and to hell with anyone else. Its obvious when the only games they support is the Azabat games when there are accessible games from GMA, Draconis, and so on to give them a bigger catalog but don't. Unfortunately, in cases like that the situation isn't always better over here. We have the NFB which claims to be looking out for the interests of the blind they represent, but all too often it seems like they try and play both ends at the middle. What I mean by that is they are on both sides of every issue and it is hard to get a straight answer from them what they actually stand for regarding certain issues. In any case I don't think they consider accessible games a high priority so even though they have considerable influence they will only champion the issues that they think are important, and needless to say the NFB and I don't agree on what is and is not important. However, getting back to the point, as an individual companies be they a multimillion dollar restaurant chain or a game studio they will swat us off as easily as swatting a gnat. We neither have the money or influence to get them to listen. However, we can effect local businesses and indie developers and if more and more of them adopt accessibility it will slowly trickle up to the corporations who will see that accessibility isn't as expensive or difficult as they imagine. Cheers! On 12/10/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Unfortunately as usual, getting in touch with anyone who actually matters in a corporation is near impossibel. However pleasant the staff, even the management are, they can't affect any change in their huge faceless corporate
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Discovercard purchased a braille embosser with plans to produce brailled reference and training materials for blind employees. They did not do their research, and bought a translation program that ran under DOS instead of Windows. The policy was that only the tech team were allowed to work with the software and hardware. As a result, the embosser sat unused for a year. The local newspaper did a story when the embosser was purchased. A reporter was doing a story a year later on another unrelated topic, and saw how I was doing my work. He asked me why I wasn't using a braille reference guide. After all, the sighted reps had a print one, and didn't Discover have a braille printer? I honestly told him the situation. Unfortunately, it was after I left the corporation, but braille documents were finally produced, and it was partly due to my not giving up. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game OMG! Charles, thank you thank you thank you for saying this! My thoughts exactly! :) Rather than dwell on the negative and promote those ideas, it is so important to focus on what is doable and go in that direction. NOw some may argue that certain things are not doable. I say you decide what is doable. You create what is doable and you act to achieve that which is doable. :) Know what I mean. So rather than complain about things or say why they are not possible, simply start making them possible. this is what your brain and imagination and inspiration are for! This is creativity… I have a friend (sighted) who routinely contacts businesses to review their services. (good or bad) Not only does he ALWAYS get a response, but he ALWAYS succeeds in locating the person he would like to speak with. So honestly people, this 'poor me' stuff about big scary companies not having any way at all for poor little people to get in touch with them is just not true. First off, this isn't always instant and you don't always get the answers you can use right away. However, this does not mean that you cannot get the answers you want. You simply need to work with people to have them direct you to the people who can make decisions. This is a process and how much you want or need this process to work in your favor is up to you. How important is this to you? How much time are you willing to put into it? In order for this to be worth it you need to believe that this will be worth it. So giving up hope or being negative is not helping you or anyone else. In fact, I'd personally go so far as to say it is dangerous in the end. Would we have the advancements we have now if people responsible for them just gave up and said to heck with it? No, we would not. You're here in the world to make a positive difference and to help others do the same. So why not start by taking steps that you can. Stay hopeful. Stay positive. This is so very important. On the subject of Braille menus, if a restaurant cannot make you one, then why not offer to make one for them? You get what you want, and they get something that not only shows their awareness, but also may help others in your position whom you have not even met yet. You may also even get some financial recompense out of it! :) it's a win / win / win… -Seriously!… :) Anyway, thanks for reading and thanks again Charles, for your note! Smiles, Cara :) --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Dec 11, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Possibly, just because a corporation does not offer a braille menu, a manager might do so. Just because The Game Stop does not sell accessible chess equipment, one store might be able to accommodate a blind chess enthusiast. In order to get to the top, you've got to start at the bottom. Maybe, with enough requests, the word will get to the top, eventually. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:36 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Dark: All too true. We have been over this ground before, and unfortunately there is not much we can do as individuals. Especially, when organizations and so forth is not on our side in the case of providing access to products and services. For example, I know there are a number of game studios over their in the U.K. They would probably
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With respect Kara while I aprpeciate your sentiment, at the same time I slightly resent your implication that I do not try with access and advocacy. I spend a considderable amount of time talking to everyone from game developers to shop keepers to even professors, religious leaders, stage directors and even government ministers about access issues, heck I've just spent the last five years writing a phd on the subject! Just today I was discussing game access with a certain developer and indeed I opened my E-mail to share some good news with the list. I'm not saying this to sound arrogant or pretend credit I don't have. There are plenty of good access advocates on the world and indeed many I've met on this list, however please bare in mind when I talk of difficulties with major coorporations, I do so based on a number of experiences. You are absolutely correct that not all major companies are like this (I got a recent surprise from a rail company over guide dogs and setaing for example), however in my general experience someone like mcdonalds, burger king etc is not likely to listen. it's worth a try, indeed whenever I go to a new restaurant I always ask for a braille menu out of reflex just to publicise the need for access, (maybe I should start asking for html ones to read on my iphone instead), however once tried it's likely better to move on to something achieveable than just bang your head against the same brick wall over and over again. For example, I've three times spoken to nintendo, and twice to capcom, and got no where on any occasion. With Indi developers however the reccord has been much more positive, therefore I know which games companies I will spend my time trying to talk to. Hope this makes sense. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Dark, HOw much do you want it and why are you giving up so easily? I'm not trying to disrespect you or in any way invalidate your efforts but if these things are important to you then you owe it to yourself to continue in pursuing them. Just because people say no does not mean that that is the final word. Things change. People change. corporations change and corporate culture changes. -But if you do not continue in the direction you need to then you can be sure that change (if it comes) will come much more slowly without your efforts. How do you think movements get started? Someone doesn't just go out one day and suddenly have a boatload of willing followers and people giving them what they need. ;) No, they need to build credibility and trust over time, until people begin to start seeing things differently. I know this is a gaming list / thread but seriously, if we want accessibility then we are the ones who need to continue promoting this and working with people and companies to get it. Please do not give up, K? Thanks, Cara :) --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Dec 11, 2013, at 9:09 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Sadly charlse that's not how most coroproations work, what, do something against the main corproate policy? they could get into trouble! I'm actually serious on this, the amount of times I've asked for some sort of access considderation and been told some varient of sorry head office won't let me is quite ridiculous, in coorporations, governmental organizations, even charrities! As I said, the bigger the ant hill, the bigger the stink. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Possibly, just because a corporation does not offer a braille menu, a manager might do so. Just because The Game Stop does not sell accessible chess equipment, one store might be able to accommodate a blind chess enthusiast. In order to get to the top, you've got to start at the bottom. Maybe, with enough requests, the word will get to the top, eventually. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:36 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Dark: All too true. We have been over this ground before, and unfortunately there is not much we can do as individuals. Especially, when organizations and so forth is not on our side in the case
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I agree there tom about html and menues etc, and certainly it's something I've used in the past for access to things like theatre time tables, programs of events etc, even though from the perspective of the theatres etc the html on their sites are not intended for access at all. The problem however these days is that large restaurant chains and the like are now using their own aps rather than websites. This is okay, however once again access isn't considdered and since unlike with standard html access to none modified aps is shaky at best this can be no better than a print menu. I tried this with a pub chain called flaming grille, who don't have a website but do have an ap, and was very disappointed in the result. Again it's a shame that when a restauant chain investigates access they're only ever told well you can get it brailled for x hundred quid and not told about a simple, low cost, easy to produce alternative like html. beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark: You are exactly right. Any time a company does an inquiry about accessibility they only get half the story. Usually some overly priced access solution that does not serve their needs, because the organizations for the blind are out to make a buck off of making something accessible. So they will resort to the highest costing solution possible rather than suggesting or recommending a potentially low cost solution. I don't know what the answer is, but I think it is far passed time that we educate more people a bout general accessibility and how they can make something accessible without a great deal of money. Cheers! On 12/10/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: I agree there tom about html and menues etc, and certainly it's something I've used in the past for access to things like theatre time tables, programs of events etc, even though from the perspective of the theatres etc the html on their sites are not intended for access at all. The problem however these days is that large restaurant chains and the like are now using their own aps rather than websites. This is okay, however once again access isn't considdered and since unlike with standard html access to none modified aps is shaky at best this can be no better than a print menu. I tried this with a pub chain called flaming grille, who don't have a website but do have an ap, and was very disappointed in the result. Again it's a shame that when a restauant chain investigates access they're only ever told well you can get it brailled for x hundred quid and not told about a simple, low cost, easy to produce alternative like html. beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well tom I do think a lot of the stuff I get here is imported. At 02:44 AM 12/10/2013, you wrote: Hi Shaun, That is insane. I think it only costs me on average about $50 for a ream of braille paper. Of course, I haven't purchased any in a long time so costs could have gone up, but it never cost me nearly what you are saying it costs for you guys down in New Zealand for braille paper. As for producing brf files I agree it is rather inexpensive. the problem is, as you already know, not everyone has access to a braille display, notetaker, etc and can read brf documents. So The next best alternative would be for a company to put their manuals in html or some standard format that can be read on any platform with any screen reader with voice or braille and forget it. Cheers! On 12/4/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Well tom I have had to buy braille paper from my local blind org and for members it can be quite cheap. but for normal schools and such or anyone that is not a member the paper can cost upwards of 200-400 dollars a rheme. something like 50 up a sheet and thats just standard grades. Though to be honest in this day and age previding you have access to such and are funded the price of getting a braille display or note taker and maybe the right conversion tools and such electronic brf files are quite inexpensive to produce once you spent the up front costs on a unit and the translater programs ofcause. As for an embosser, If you have access to one there aparently is a language to turn your documents into scripted programs to be printed. I was offered to learn once a long time ago the language to code my own docs and to have access to the unit remotely in question but it never got off the ground doesn't mean that some time down the road I may try, I'd actually like to try and see if I could program my own document. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I don't know how much is organizations trying to maintain their monopoly, and how much is just people assuming that all blind people are over 70 and thus don't use computers with compitance *cough Azabat! *cough! At an rnib event I was at earlier this year for instance (I only went to see the audio description service), the person discussing talking book services told everyone that a braille catalogue was available, however recommended that people make orders by phone due to the braille catalogue being of a truly insane size. Only as an after thought did he mention that (and I quote), And if you know anyone in your family who is good with computers, they can go on the internet to order books for you, since we have our catalogue on the internet, so your family can look it up on their own computer And yes, he really did clearly assume that nobody he was talking to would be able to use the internet themselves to search the rnib online catalogue. It would actually be an interesting business proposition, providing accessible html versions of brailled material at half the cost, though of course making money at it might be an interesting proposition. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Have you contacted the restaurants to see if they are willing to make their menus accessible? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game I agree there tom about html and menues etc, and certainly it's something I've used in the past for access to things like theatre time tables, programs of events etc, even though from the perspective of the theatres etc the html on their sites are not intended for access at all. The problem however these days is that large restaurant chains and the like are now using their own aps rather than websites. This is okay, however once again access isn't considdered and since unlike with standard html access to none modified aps is shaky at best this can be no better than a print menu. I tried this with a pub chain called flaming grille, who don't have a website but do have an ap, and was very disappointed in the result. Again it's a shame that when a restauant chain investigates access they're only ever told well you can get it brailled for x hundred quid and not told about a simple, low cost, easy to produce alternative like html. beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Unfortunately as usual, getting in touch with anyone who actually matters in a corporation is near impossibel. However pleasant the staff, even the management are, they can't affect any change in their huge faceless corporate empire that is run from some massive office somewhere else. As with game access this is another case of the larger the ant hill, the bigger the stink! Beware the Grue! Dark. - --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well I wander if you can get instructions for hotels and rules etc you could convert it to a pc game or get jim kitchen to do it, I am interested in playing this at least on the laptop. At 10:18 PM 12/4/2013, you wrote: Hi Shaun: Hmm...I don't know of that game specifically, but there have been many clones of Monopoly out there. One of my favorites was a game called Hotels where you went around the world building famous hotels. It was a lot cooler than Monopoly, but unfortunately I no longer have a copy of that game since my wife absconded with it. In any case I disagree with you that computer games are inherently superior to the board games themselves. Yeah, we can play them ourselves, but there is much to recommend an actual board game over a computer game. For one thing if you have family to play them with it gives you and the family a chance to sit down and interact with one another. Something that is really missing in today's society. Another thing is board games gives us something tactile to feel. Most games comes with plastic or metal figures we can feel to get an idea of what they look like. We can feel the little plastic ships, buildings, and other things which gives us something more than just our imagination to go on. You are probably right to a point that many younger people are less and less interested in card and board games and are addicted to console and PC games. I blame their parents for that as it is up to the parents to teach their children balance. While I have purchased a Wii for my son and he plays a lot of video games I also have made sure to give him standard games like Monopoly, Trouble, Sorry, etc as I think it is important that he learns to enjoy both the way I did growing up. Cheers! On 12/3/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: One of the games I still miss was based on the monopoly concept. You were trying to become the presidant of a company. if you failed you would become the cleaner. It was visual but I got materials and designed a board with cardboard and foil and with some braille dice and cards and some monopoly tokens was able to play. The game was called ulsas but I never played it more than twice before things got hectic. To be honest, I played all my games before 2000, before 1995 for 5 years I had almost no pc and then only a 386. in 1996 I got a pc but still was able to play. after 2002 or there abouts that got less till now. I have an xp system and a win7 system. everyone has tablets and phones. I think if there was a way to turn off all devices and the net I'd do it again. But there is email, social network, online games and sometimes I find myself just happily mucking round on youtube or slothing round on the pc when I know I shouldn't. I have tried to keep my reading alive but the scary thing is I could happily stop reading braille in fact stop doing everything I used to do when taught how to be blind to use the net. It may actually happen with others. Family that used to have time to play afterwork are so tired after looking at a screen all day they want to blob.Ofcause computer games are ofcause more superior than the crappy board ones, yet I still miss it. When the only thing you could hear would be the weather outside, when all you did in the next hour or less was get another coffee. That doesn't happen so much. And sadly a lot born into this age of consoles and other things may never play a game in their lives. I know, my cousins were born into the borg universe. They adapted a lot. They have played a few ugio games and some monopoly but most of it is simply the computer. They would probably play all night and day if they were not told to get off their consoles. Its why I made an effort to stay off social networks but much as I have tried, most of what I do is to be online all day and all night. Something new always comes up and when there isn't I end up mucking round chewing bandwidth listening to stupid vids, but not being able to get off again really. Some days like today the net calms down enough for me to think of times gone by. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or
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Well on the pluss side, a lot of the mainstream devices have some or at least enough access to go for some general use. My high quality philips recorder for example has enough access via its layout for me to use it without any real issues. my soni recorders always had enouch access to core functions. I think the only way way to really get our prices to drop is not going after the blind product manufacturers like freedom scientiffic but try to get mainstream stuff that will do just as well if not better and try to get stuff that will benifit all not just a sertain disability. We need to despecialise as much as we can. My laptop for example has a free reader and a comercial one with bundled extras. while its still expensive up front it used to cost a lot more for specialised equipment. Now we will still be in that groove if we need anything advanced but the same goes for the rest of the normal people. its just it may cost us the extra hundred more than average. If we can get the minor to mid range stuff to be cheaper, and have advanced capabilities that are pricy as they are anyway, we may have a better time of it. Thats actually started to happen especially with todays smartphone tech. And the fact we can run on any os and almost any computer that has linux, windows or mac or something like it which is most of the oses to date at least. We need to also point out what so called blindness devices are good for with sighted to. Examples, clocks and alarms, timers, etc. Keyboard shortcuts locater dots magnification programs, ocr stuff even screenreaders have applications for the sighted. I think we should work towards as much as we can previding access for all, instead of access to us since everyone else uses inaccessable software. Saying that you asked me that question a few years back and I'd be all for taking the loosers down, all of em. But that was another time I guess. At 11:37 PM 12/4/2013, you wrote: Hi tom. Well while I agree on material costs, at the same time as you said yourself the markup is frankly insane on access products, because it's a captive and small markit manufacturers of accessible goods and providers of accessible services basically charge through the roof. I think the worst I ever saw was a device composed of an infra red sensor and buzzer. The idea was you could put the sensor on an object or your seet etc, and press the buzzer to have it bleep so you could locate it at a distance by hearing. yes, a very handy device, but not at £350, that is around 600 usd! Heck, I know very little about electronics but even I! could make a guess about how the circuites in those worked, and don't they sell novelty key ring finders that do the same thing for about 1£10? In fairness this isn't just with blindness, wheel chairs, hoists and other equipment for physically disabled people is just as ridiculous, also there are some accessible devices which aren't gougingly priced. I was quite impressed for example to find that the pen friend labelling system I use cost exactly £50 for the initial unit, and packs of 500 labels would cost another £7. Of course annoyingly the rnib won't actually let you buy packs of just the size you want and only sells two basic selections, but there you go. Still this shows not everything accessible has to be insanely expensive, even if the raw materials will put the price up somewhat. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Well then you are lucky. It seems these days especially when on holiday in the times we can get out which does not seem that often since just about everyone bar me ofcause has a job and a life, board games are talked about and sometimes brought but usually by the time we get to them it just doesn't happen. Isn't meaning that there will not be a time, in a couple years and sertainly in the next 10 or so years most of the older family will probably retire and then maybe, there will be time though its been so long I fear I may have forgotten how to play board games. At 10:47 PM 12/4/2013, you wrote: Hi Tom. You do certainly have a point there, certainly in my family with three visually impared people, two of whome, (my mum and I), braille users, brailling board games is something we've done for years. Indeed over christmas we'll probably play some card games or maybe Yachzee, and if we play Yachtzee my mum and I will both braille score sheets. Although when I investigated getting fighting fantasy books done, I was told that the cost would be prhibitive, which is of course the concern since while braille embossing isn't itself an intrinsically expensive process as usual with anything to do with accessibility, you can put on several extra zeroes. I actually got a great example of this recently when going to Tgi fridays with my brother. This is one of the few restaurant chains in the Uk that has braille menus, (I assume they do in the states as well). However, their braille menu is about two years out of date, and still shows things they no longer serve, not to mention missing off their specialist offer. when I asked why this was I was told that getting a new braille menu embossed would be too expensive. This isn't to say it's a bad idea, just that with any coorporation I am scheptical of motives, still if you don't ask, you don't find out. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Well tom I have had to buy braille paper from my local blind org and for members it can be quite cheap. but for normal schools and such or anyone that is not a member the paper can cost upwards of 200-400 dollars a rheme. something like 50 up a sheet and thats just standard grades. Though to be honest in this day and age previding you have access to such and are funded the price of getting a braille display or note taker and maybe the right conversion tools and such electronic brf files are quite inexpensive to produce once you spent the up front costs on a unit and the translater programs ofcause. As for an embosser, If you have access to one there aparently is a language to turn your documents into scripted programs to be printed. I was offered to learn once a long time ago the language to code my own docs and to have access to the unit remotely in question but it never got off the ground doesn't mean that some time down the road I may try, I'd actually like to try and see if I could program my own document. At 11:14 PM 12/4/2013, you wrote: Hi Dark: Well, there is some truth to braille embossing being prohibitively expensive compared to a print book or menu. I remember when I was in high school and one of the complaints my local high school had about taking me on as a mainstream student was the cost of getting my textbooks from APH. I was absolutely floored to discover while the average print textbook was about $25 APH was asking for about $2,000 per textbook in braille. That was absolutely insane, but now that I have gotten a bit older and wiser I understand why. For one thing it probably cost them $50 for a standard box of braille paper, and twice that if they used the plastic sheeting used in most textbooks. So figure about $100 tops for the blank pages. The plastic binders they put the books in probably added another $20 or so to bind the books. So just in raw materials we have already increased the cost by a factor of 5. I suspect the rest of the cost was markup on APH's part to pay employees and the use of their equipment. The thing is if I ask company x to braille this or that book, a gamebook for example, they are naturally going to go to APH to have it done not knowing that the raw materials while expensive are a fraction of what APH etc will actually charge them for the final product. That cost of course will get put off onto us, the customer, and that is why you will get the typical its prohibitively expensive type response from companies, because they aren't going to invest in the equipment etc to do it themselves, and even if they did the cost of the materials would cost a bit more than standard printed materials doubling or tripling the cost of the final product. Cheers! On 12/4/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. You do certainly have a point there, certainly in my family with three visually impared people, two of whome, (my mum and I), braille users, brailling board games is something we've done for years. Indeed over christmas we'll probably play some card games or maybe Yachzee, and if we play Yachtzee my mum and I will both braille score sheets. Although when I investigated getting fighting fantasy books done, I was told that the cost would be prhibitive, which is of course the concern since while braille embossing isn't itself an intrinsically expensive process as usual with anything to do with accessibility, you can put on several extra zeroes. I actually got a great example of this recently when going to Tgi fridays with my brother. This is one of the few restaurant chains in the Uk that has braille menus, (I assume they do in the states as well). However, their braille menu is about two years out of date, and still shows things they no longer serve, not to mention missing off their specialist offer. when I asked why this was I was told that getting a new braille menu embossed would be too expensive. This isn't to say it's a bad idea, just that with any coorporation I am scheptical of motives, still if you don't ask, you don't find out. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
I never got into a board game club, the family is always pestering me to get involved in something, sports, and other things. Though I did do something about one of the things I was told to do I never followed through with things on a serious level. I know a lot of my religious friends play dnd games and I have some interest in that but to be honest havn't really touched that either. At 11:45 PM 12/4/2013, you wrote: Hi Tom. Looking at my university society's page, there are societies for chess, Backgammon, Poker and indeed Bridge, so people are definitely playing these sorts of games. I might have the name of monster city battle wrong, before you go looking let me ask my brother for the exact details, I'm also not sure about how well it works as a two player game, though I'd be interested to know if you did get to braille it. From my brothers' description it featured a boardd marked with squares including the city at the center which you needed to destroy, and a pack of cards with things like special weapons and abilities. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Charles, Oh, I don't disagree with that. The cost for a standard deck of braille playing cards is outrageous even though they do last longer and have large print on them. It is easier, if one has a braille writer, just to buy a standard deck of cards and braille them yourself. Cheers! On 12/6/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: They do last longer, but I found the high cost, well, too high. I bought some pinochle cards, and had to buy two decks if we were going to play double deck. $40 for pinochle cards was too much when comparing it to $4. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Shaun, That is insane. I think it only costs me on average about $50 for a ream of braille paper. Of course, I haven't purchased any in a long time so costs could have gone up, but it never cost me nearly what you are saying it costs for you guys down in New Zealand for braille paper. As for producing brf files I agree it is rather inexpensive. the problem is, as you already know, not everyone has access to a braille display, notetaker, etc and can read brf documents. So The next best alternative would be for a company to put their manuals in html or some standard format that can be read on any platform with any screen reader with voice or braille and forget it. Cheers! On 12/4/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Well tom I have had to buy braille paper from my local blind org and for members it can be quite cheap. but for normal schools and such or anyone that is not a member the paper can cost upwards of 200-400 dollars a rheme. something like 50 up a sheet and thats just standard grades. Though to be honest in this day and age previding you have access to such and are funded the price of getting a braille display or note taker and maybe the right conversion tools and such electronic brf files are quite inexpensive to produce once you spent the up front costs on a unit and the translater programs ofcause. As for an embosser, If you have access to one there aparently is a language to turn your documents into scripted programs to be printed. I was offered to learn once a long time ago the language to code my own docs and to have access to the unit remotely in question but it never got off the ground doesn't mean that some time down the road I may try, I'd actually like to try and see if I could program my own document. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Shaun, I am sure I could. After all, I use to own the game and remember most of the rules from memory. About the only thing I don't remember right off the top of my head is the prices for each hotel, the costs of the swimming pools, and the various properties to build the hotels on. I am sure I can either find that info out on the Internet or I can call my mom and have her look up that info in her copy of the game. Either way if and when I have time to think about writing such a game I am sure it can be done. Cheers! On 12/4/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well I wander if you can get instructions for hotels and rules etc you could convert it to a pc game or get jim kitchen to do it, I am interested in playing this at least on the laptop. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Dark, That is one thing I do appreciate about the commercial braille cards. They have braille in the top left-hand corner and in the bottom right-hand corner so it does not matter if it is upside down as you can still read the card. As you said it is not complicated to replicate that feature, but I have always been too lazy to do it myself. Cheers! On 12/6/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well it's true about the larger symbols, that actually helps me since I appreciate being able to use my vision as well as the braille when playing. I also like the fact that with braille cards the braille symbols are always in the corners at the top and bottom so that it doesn't matter if your card is upside down, though of course with careful enough brailling that would be possible to replicate. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Well I think access should be all and not just for sertain dissabilities. Blind products should be called blind products. Yeah I know thats really bad mouthing the blind but accessable implies total access to everyone. One issue with some of this is to make stuff accessable for say the blind because say graphics are not something we use we get rid of them and then its inaccessable to the sighted. I once decided to get some equipment that was large print or at least invest in some and was told by a friend that because it was for the blind, it was not nice. I was quite mad at the guy but then I started wandering. Is it because we don't see we disreguard what others think of how our stuff looks? If we are going to be fully accessable to all that means being concidderate of all. By making stuff accessable to us are we in fact doing what the sighted do to us by making their stuff unusable because of graphics and other things. I know tech is getting closer but I do wander how long it will be before we will seriously need to think of dumping all blindness technology in favor of universal access. I am not saying its all bad ofcause, heck I'd like to use blind tech all the time but by doing it I do wander if I am excluding myself from normal life, and after all we are supposed to be trying to have that. So I wander if we are being counterproductive. At 08:39 PM 12/5/2013, you wrote: Hi Dark: Oh, yes. Any time something is developed for the blind, is marketed as an access product, the cost is insane. Not because it costs that much to actually make it, but because we are a captive minority market. As you mentioned the novelty key ring finders only cost perhaps $5 USD if that. In fact I use to have one where I could whistle and it would start beeping to help me locate my keys. Since it was marketed as a novelty item it was real cheap. I am sure if it was made for the blind, marketed as a specialty item, I'd be looking at a key ring that costs at least $50instead of $5 just because you can multiply the cost by a factor of 10 being a specialty item. I know when it comes to card and board games they definitely cost a lot more than their mainstream counterparts. I think a deck of braille playing cards is like $19 when a sighted person can go to Dollar General or Family Dollar and get a standard deck for a dollar. Something like Monopoly is about $50 for a braille set when a standard Monopoly game is between $19 and $29 depending on if it is standard Monopoly or a collectors edition. However, I agree that even excluding material costs I don't think it actually costs that much to produce accessible products. At least not the cost we have to pay to get them from In dependant Living Aids, RNIB, whatever. I know for a fact that the actual cost of making some of those products is a fraction of what they actually charge for it. Cheers! On 12/4/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. Well while I agree on material costs, at the same time as you said yourself the markup is frankly insane on access products, because it's a captive and small markit manufacturers of accessible goods and providers of accessible services basically charge through the roof. I think the worst I ever saw was a device composed of an infra red sensor and buzzer. The idea was you could put the sensor on an object or your seet etc, and press the buzzer to have it bleep so you could locate it at a distance by hearing. yes, a very handy device, but not at £350, that is around 600 usd! Heck, I know very little about electronics but even I! could make a guess about how the circuites in those worked, and don't they sell novelty key ring finders that do the same thing for about 1£10? In fairness this isn't just with blindness, wheel chairs, hoists and other equipment for physically disabled people is just as ridiculous, also there are some accessible devices which aren't gougingly priced. I was quite impressed for example to find that the pen friend labelling system I use cost exactly £50 for the initial unit, and packs of 500 labels would cost another £7. Of course annoyingly the rnib won't actually let you buy packs of just the size you want and only sells two basic selections, but there you go. Still this shows not everything accessible has to be insanely expensive, even if the raw materials will put the price up somewhat. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Using a Perkins brailler, that's how I always brailled cards. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Dark, That is one thing I do appreciate about the commercial braille cards. They have braille in the top left-hand corner and in the bottom right-hand corner so it does not matter if it is upside down as you can still read the card. As you said it is not complicated to replicate that feature, but I have always been too lazy to do it myself. Cheers! On 12/6/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well it's true about the larger symbols, that actually helps me since I appreciate being able to use my vision as well as the braille when playing. I also like the fact that with braille cards the braille symbols are always in the corners at the top and bottom so that it doesn't matter if your card is upside down, though of course with careful enough brailling that would be possible to replicate. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Kara. That is true, especially with the Iphone sensor providing feedback and other information, albeit with many of those games everyone needs to own an Iphone in order for them to work properly, as opposed to board games or even games on consoles like the Wii where it's possible for several people to play at the same time with one machine. Still, i do admit I've quite enjoyed the odd online game of lost cities, so it's true the Iphone is good for that. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Speaking of games and community… there are actually some iOS games which can promote activities with others. On a trip to FL in recent years, I was hanging out with friends and we had a right fun game of truth or dare played on the iPhone! lol! There are actually quite a few party games for iDevices. There are also games like battleship etc where you can still play with other real human players. (whether they be in the room with you or not) Smiles, Cara :) --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Dec 5, 2013, at 3:04 AM, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, We still play games here. In our community room we have WII bowling night, bingo night, pea knuckle night and general game night. Yahtzee is popular. I try, but no one wants to play me games of Up Words, Spades or chess. Still though it is great to get together with neighbors and play games. BFN Jim Keep grandmothers off the streets -- legalize bingo. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Well it's true about the larger symbols, that actually helps me since I appreciate being able to use my vision as well as the braille when playing. I also like the fact that with braille cards the braille symbols are always in the corners at the top and bottom so that it doesn't matter if your card is upside down, though of course with careful enough brailling that would be possible to replicate. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
You can buy a standard deck of cards and braille them yourself if you have someone who will sort them in order for you, and it only takes a minute for them to do it. I used to do it all the time. The heck with those $20 decks! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Dark: Oh, yes. Any time something is developed for the blind, is marketed as an access product, the cost is insane. Not because it costs that much to actually make it, but because we are a captive minority market. As you mentioned the novelty key ring finders only cost perhaps $5 USD if that. In fact I use to have one where I could whistle and it would start beeping to help me locate my keys. Since it was marketed as a novelty item it was real cheap. I am sure if it was made for the blind, marketed as a specialty item, I'd be looking at a key ring that costs at least $50instead of $5 just because you can multiply the cost by a factor of 10 being a specialty item. I know when it comes to card and board games they definitely cost a lot more than their mainstream counterparts. I think a deck of braille playing cards is like $19 when a sighted person can go to Dollar General or Family Dollar and get a standard deck for a dollar. Something like Monopoly is about $50 for a braille set when a standard Monopoly game is between $19 and $29 depending on if it is standard Monopoly or a collectors edition. However, I agree that even excluding material costs I don't think it actually costs that much to produce accessible products. At least not the cost we have to pay to get them from In dependant Living Aids, RNIB, whatever. I know for a fact that the actual cost of making some of those products is a fraction of what they actually charge for it. Cheers! On 12/4/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. Well while I agree on material costs, at the same time as you said yourself the markup is frankly insane on access products, because it's a captive and small markit manufacturers of accessible goods and providers of accessible services basically charge through the roof. I think the worst I ever saw was a device composed of an infra red sensor and buzzer. The idea was you could put the sensor on an object or your seet etc, and press the buzzer to have it bleep so you could locate it at a distance by hearing. yes, a very handy device, but not at £350, that is around 600 usd! Heck, I know very little about electronics but even I! could make a guess about how the circuites in those worked, and don't they sell novelty key ring finders that do the same thing for about 1£10? In fairness this isn't just with blindness, wheel chairs, hoists and other equipment for physically disabled people is just as ridiculous, also there are some accessible devices which aren't gougingly priced. I was quite impressed for example to find that the pen friend labelling system I use cost exactly £50 for the initial unit, and packs of 500 labels would cost another £7. Of course annoyingly the rnib won't actually let you buy packs of just the size you want and only sells two basic selections, but there you go. Still this shows not everything accessible has to be insanely expensive, even if the raw materials will put the price up somewhat. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Thomas, We still play games here. In our community room we have WII bowling night, bingo night, pea knuckle night and general game night. Yahtzee is popular. I try, but no one wants to play me games of Up Words, Spades or chess. Still though it is great to get together with neighbors and play games. BFN Jim Keep grandmothers off the streets -- legalize bingo. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Speaking of games and community… there are actually some iOS games which can promote activities with others. On a trip to FL in recent years, I was hanging out with friends and we had a right fun game of truth or dare played on the iPhone! lol! There are actually quite a few party games for iDevices. There are also games like battleship etc where you can still play with other real human players. (whether they be in the room with you or not) Smiles, Cara :) --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Dec 5, 2013, at 3:04 AM, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, We still play games here. In our community room we have WII bowling night, bingo night, pea knuckle night and general game night. Yahtzee is popular. I try, but no one wants to play me games of Up Words, Spades or chess. Still though it is great to get together with neighbors and play games. BFN Jim Keep grandmothers off the streets -- legalize bingo. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Is truth or dare Voice-Over friendly? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Speaking of games and community… there are actually some iOS games which can promote activities with others. On a trip to FL in recent years, I was hanging out with friends and we had a right fun game of truth or dare played on the iPhone! lol! There are actually quite a few party games for iDevices. There are also games like battleship etc where you can still play with other real human players. (whether they be in the room with you or not) Smiles, Cara :) --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Dec 5, 2013, at 3:04 AM, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, We still play games here. In our community room we have WII bowling night, bingo night, pea knuckle night and general game night. Yahtzee is popular. I try, but no one wants to play me games of Up Words, Spades or chess. Still though it is great to get together with neighbors and play games. BFN Jim Keep grandmothers off the streets -- legalize bingo. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
HI Charles, sure is! :) I'm not sure which one I downloaded (there are a bazillion of them) but I just grabbed one right at the time we wanted to play. I think there were a bunch of free ones and I got one of those. I'll check and let the list know which one it is, when I find it. K? For future reference, I'll pretty much always mention accessible apps otherwise I'll be very clear if they take work to use. So generally everything I mention here will be VO-friendly… Smiles, Cara :) --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Dec 5, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Is truth or dare Voice-Over friendly? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Speaking of games and community… there are actually some iOS games which can promote activities with others. On a trip to FL in recent years, I was hanging out with friends and we had a right fun game of truth or dare played on the iPhone! lol! There are actually quite a few party games for iDevices. There are also games like battleship etc where you can still play with other real human players. (whether they be in the room with you or not) Smiles, Cara :) --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Dec 5, 2013, at 3:04 AM, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, We still play games here. In our community room we have WII bowling night, bingo night, pea knuckle night and general game night. Yahtzee is popular. I try, but no one wants to play me games of Up Words, Spades or chess. Still though it is great to get together with neighbors and play games. BFN Jim Keep grandmothers off the streets -- legalize bingo. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Charles: That is true. Although, there are a couple of good reasons to buy the accessible decks from Independent Living Aids etc. One is that the cards are bigger and have large print on them so they are easier to read if playing with a low vision player. The other is they make the cards out of a more durable material so the braille tends to stand out and last longer than on a standard deck. I agree neither is really a good reason to pay the higher cost for the cards, but there are some advantages in doing so which I thought I would point out. Cheers! On 12/5/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: You can buy a standard deck of cards and braille them yourself if you have someone who will sort them in order for you, and it only takes a minute for them to do it. I used to do it all the time. The heck with those $20 decks! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
They do last longer, but I found the high cost, well, too high. I bought some pinochle cards, and had to buy two decks if we were going to play double deck. $40 for pinochle cards was too much when comparing it to $4. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Charles: That is true. Although, there are a couple of good reasons to buy the accessible decks from Independent Living Aids etc. One is that the cards are bigger and have large print on them so they are easier to read if playing with a low vision player. The other is they make the cards out of a more durable material so the braille tends to stand out and last longer than on a standard deck. I agree neither is really a good reason to pay the higher cost for the cards, but there are some advantages in doing so which I thought I would point out. Cheers! On 12/5/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: You can buy a standard deck of cards and braille them yourself if you have someone who will sort them in order for you, and it only takes a minute for them to do it. I used to do it all the time. The heck with those $20 decks! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Shaun: Hmm...I don't know of that game specifically, but there have been many clones of Monopoly out there. One of my favorites was a game called Hotels where you went around the world building famous hotels. It was a lot cooler than Monopoly, but unfortunately I no longer have a copy of that game since my wife absconded with it. In any case I disagree with you that computer games are inherently superior to the board games themselves. Yeah, we can play them ourselves, but there is much to recommend an actual board game over a computer game. For one thing if you have family to play them with it gives you and the family a chance to sit down and interact with one another. Something that is really missing in today's society. Another thing is board games gives us something tactile to feel. Most games comes with plastic or metal figures we can feel to get an idea of what they look like. We can feel the little plastic ships, buildings, and other things which gives us something more than just our imagination to go on. You are probably right to a point that many younger people are less and less interested in card and board games and are addicted to console and PC games. I blame their parents for that as it is up to the parents to teach their children balance. While I have purchased a Wii for my son and he plays a lot of video games I also have made sure to give him standard games like Monopoly, Trouble, Sorry, etc as I think it is important that he learns to enjoy both the way I did growing up. Cheers! On 12/3/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: One of the games I still miss was based on the monopoly concept. You were trying to become the presidant of a company. if you failed you would become the cleaner. It was visual but I got materials and designed a board with cardboard and foil and with some braille dice and cards and some monopoly tokens was able to play. The game was called ulsas but I never played it more than twice before things got hectic. To be honest, I played all my games before 2000, before 1995 for 5 years I had almost no pc and then only a 386. in 1996 I got a pc but still was able to play. after 2002 or there abouts that got less till now. I have an xp system and a win7 system. everyone has tablets and phones. I think if there was a way to turn off all devices and the net I'd do it again. But there is email, social network, online games and sometimes I find myself just happily mucking round on youtube or slothing round on the pc when I know I shouldn't. I have tried to keep my reading alive but the scary thing is I could happily stop reading braille in fact stop doing everything I used to do when taught how to be blind to use the net. It may actually happen with others. Family that used to have time to play afterwork are so tired after looking at a screen all day they want to blob.Ofcause computer games are ofcause more superior than the crappy board ones, yet I still miss it. When the only thing you could hear would be the weather outside, when all you did in the next hour or less was get another coffee. That doesn't happen so much. And sadly a lot born into this age of consoles and other things may never play a game in their lives. I know, my cousins were born into the borg universe. They adapted a lot. They have played a few ugio games and some monopoly but most of it is simply the computer. They would probably play all night and day if they were not told to get off their consoles. Its why I made an effort to stay off social networks but much as I have tried, most of what I do is to be online all day and all night. Something new always comes up and when there isn't I end up mucking round chewing bandwidth listening to stupid vids, but not being able to get off again really. Some days like today the net calms down enough for me to think of times gone by. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Well Kara we of course don't exactly have lobbies like the Us does over here in Britain, or at least not officially although the government has various advisary bodies. The problem however at least in britain is that most of the portrates of the blind in media come from organizaitons like the Rnib who have one and only one view, it is a problem. This is acctually also why I would be interested to see some developers get involved with other gaming communities. Retroremakes would be good accept that the games on retroremakes need to be freeware, since then people would know that blind people do play games and games with sound can actually be fun. As I've stated previously a key problem is that anything which is billed as for the blind is automatically seen as different, specialist, and not for normal people, since the blind are obviously some sort of weerd group on their own who don't have much to do with the rest of the world. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Cara: Very true. We, the Audyssey community, do need to get more pro active about encouraging ACB, NFB, AFB, etc in getting more games made available to the blind community. A lot of times people on this list and over on the Audiogames.net forum complain about accessibility of mainstream games for XBox, Play Station, Wii, etc and I frankly believe that is beating a dead horse. We can, however, get more standard card and board games made accessible because it is easier to make braille versions of Monopoly, Life, Trouble, etc than it is to get company x to rewrite a video game to be blind friendly. In fact, I've been doing that for years. I would go to a store buy a game like Monopoly and then braille the property cards, money, stick braille labels on the board, etc. If I can do that with a standard Monopoly set you know the manufacturer could do the same and sell it that way without much cost to the manufacturer. As it happens standard Monopoly is already available from In dependant Living Aids here in the States, but there are games like Mad Gab, Trivial Per suit, Sorry, and so on that would be just as easy to produce in braille versions too. They haven't and I imagine that is because none of the organizations like AFB, NFB, and ACB have made an issue of it. If they did I am sure we could get companies like Hasbro, which owns Parker Brothers and Milton Bradly, to produce accessible versions of their board games much easier than getting Sony, Activision, Capcom, etc to make accessible video games. Cheers! On 12/4/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Hi Thomas, excellent point about affecting the decisions of manufacturers. Let me suggest that this is where our lobbies come in or rather, are supposed to come in. ;) Groups such as the ACB and NFB are really supposed to be fulfilling these roles as they do place themselves in the position of being the voice of the blind. Until we can simply get wide-ranging notions in place in society that we are just as varied a group of individuals as our sighted counterparts (though our numbers are much smaller) the lack of awareness will continue. Right now, the average individual really has only the occasional concept of the 'Hollywood' version of the blind person, in essence. Once that portrayal is gone from the consciousness then the subject never comes up again, until the next stereotypical 'Hollywood' portrayal arises. We need to not only have a more constant portrayal of blind individuals but also a more realistic and wide ranging portrayal of said individuals. In other words, many more of us need to be seen and heard from on a national and world stage, more often. This will help to enhance peoples' general consciousness on a daily basis and help to bring this community more out of the shadows. Short of this, I'm not sure how quickly progress will be made. Does this make sense? this sort of thing can start as simply as a person giving a talk at a school or library. Despite the fact that it may seem like we should be much further along than this, as a society in the 21st century, many, many people are still very interested / curious about how blind people go about their daily lives in the world. Many people really do want to understand and do care. this includes CEOs as much as it includes the quote average person. The info just needs to be out there more. :) This truly is a question of basic awareness. Thanks for a great topic! Smiles, Cara :) --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Actually if you meet with people who are interested in rp and the like, board and card games are as much known about and played as computer games. My brother regularly plays both wii party games and fantasy board games like Talisman with his friends, and if you go to sites like dwarfstar games, you will see many are still being produced, indeed with access to printers often by hobby developers. And this is aside from the the rather more specialist interest in collectable card games, ccgs, such as roar deal, Ufs, Yugio, and magic the gathering, or miniture based war games like Warhammer 40 K or battletech. Indeed the recent 4th eddition of dD has a combat system based on table and minitures and is at least partly a war game in it's own right, albeit one with full rp mechanics. Of course, you wouldn't sit down to do something as complex as battletech with your family, but there are plenty of more low key games around of the sort my brother plays, which often have a very fun theme. For example, I recently heard of a game called monster city battle, where basically each player has a giant monster such as godzilla, King Kong or a huge robot, and the object of the game is to see who can destroy most of the city, while not being beaten up by the other monsters. it played as a slightly tactical but very crazy game with some rules like Draughts, (checkers), but also some use of dice for calculating damage and the like, and sounded pretty awsome! Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Tom. You do certainly have a point there, certainly in my family with three visually impared people, two of whome, (my mum and I), braille users, brailling board games is something we've done for years. Indeed over christmas we'll probably play some card games or maybe Yachzee, and if we play Yachtzee my mum and I will both braille score sheets. Although when I investigated getting fighting fantasy books done, I was told that the cost would be prhibitive, which is of course the concern since while braille embossing isn't itself an intrinsically expensive process as usual with anything to do with accessibility, you can put on several extra zeroes. I actually got a great example of this recently when going to Tgi fridays with my brother. This is one of the few restaurant chains in the Uk that has braille menus, (I assume they do in the states as well). However, their braille menu is about two years out of date, and still shows things they no longer serve, not to mention missing off their specialist offer. when I asked why this was I was told that getting a new braille menu embossed would be too expensive. This isn't to say it's a bad idea, just that with any coorporation I am scheptical of motives, still if you don't ask, you don't find out. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Dark: Well, there is some truth to braille embossing being prohibitively expensive compared to a print book or menu. I remember when I was in high school and one of the complaints my local high school had about taking me on as a mainstream student was the cost of getting my textbooks from APH. I was absolutely floored to discover while the average print textbook was about $25 APH was asking for about $2,000 per textbook in braille. That was absolutely insane, but now that I have gotten a bit older and wiser I understand why. For one thing it probably cost them $50 for a standard box of braille paper, and twice that if they used the plastic sheeting used in most textbooks. So figure about $100 tops for the blank pages. The plastic binders they put the books in probably added another $20 or so to bind the books. So just in raw materials we have already increased the cost by a factor of 5. I suspect the rest of the cost was markup on APH's part to pay employees and the use of their equipment. The thing is if I ask company x to braille this or that book, a gamebook for example, they are naturally going to go to APH to have it done not knowing that the raw materials while expensive are a fraction of what APH etc will actually charge them for the final product. That cost of course will get put off onto us, the customer, and that is why you will get the typical its prohibitively expensive type response from companies, because they aren't going to invest in the equipment etc to do it themselves, and even if they did the cost of the materials would cost a bit more than standard printed materials doubling or tripling the cost of the final product. Cheers! On 12/4/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. You do certainly have a point there, certainly in my family with three visually impared people, two of whome, (my mum and I), braille users, brailling board games is something we've done for years. Indeed over christmas we'll probably play some card games or maybe Yachzee, and if we play Yachtzee my mum and I will both braille score sheets. Although when I investigated getting fighting fantasy books done, I was told that the cost would be prhibitive, which is of course the concern since while braille embossing isn't itself an intrinsically expensive process as usual with anything to do with accessibility, you can put on several extra zeroes. I actually got a great example of this recently when going to Tgi fridays with my brother. This is one of the few restaurant chains in the Uk that has braille menus, (I assume they do in the states as well). However, their braille menu is about two years out of date, and still shows things they no longer serve, not to mention missing off their specialist offer. when I asked why this was I was told that getting a new braille menu embossed would be too expensive. This isn't to say it's a bad idea, just that with any coorporation I am scheptical of motives, still if you don't ask, you don't find out. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Dark: I figured as much. After all, here in the States toy stores like Toys-R-Us have an entire isle devoted to card and board games and it typically includes everything from the classics like Monopoly, Life, Sorry, Trouble, and Chess to more advanced games like Talisman and Battle Tech. If card and board games were truly going away big toy stores like Toys-R-Us wouldn't carry them, and as a matter of fact right now there is a great big isle from floor to ceiling at my local Toys-R-Us filled with such games. Back when I was in college there were Chess clubs as well as various other clubs where young men and women sat around playing card and board games on a weekly basis. Although, that was more than a dozen years ago I don't think people have really changed that much in over a decade that card and board games would simply die out in favor of computerized games. Yes, it seems that younger people play video games more than board games, but the fact that Walmart, K-mart, and Toys-R-Us are selling them is evidence that someone is still buying them. The Monster City Battle game sounds flipping awesome. I'll have to check that out as I am in the mood for something different, and it sounds right up my alley. I am sure my son would enjoy it too. Cheers! On 12/4/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Actually if you meet with people who are interested in rp and the like, board and card games are as much known about and played as computer games. My brother regularly plays both wii party games and fantasy board games like Talisman with his friends, and if you go to sites like dwarfstar games, you will see many are still being produced, indeed with access to printers often by hobby developers. And this is aside from the the rather more specialist interest in collectable card games, ccgs, such as roar deal, Ufs, Yugio, and magic the gathering, or miniture based war games like Warhammer 40 K or battletech. Indeed the recent 4th eddition of dD has a combat system based on table and minitures and is at least partly a war game in it's own right, albeit one with full rp mechanics. Of course, you wouldn't sit down to do something as complex as battletech with your family, but there are plenty of more low key games around of the sort my brother plays, which often have a very fun theme. For example, I recently heard of a game called monster city battle, where basically each player has a giant monster such as godzilla, King Kong or a huge robot, and the object of the game is to see who can destroy most of the city, while not being beaten up by the other monsters. it played as a slightly tactical but very crazy game with some rules like Draughts, (checkers), but also some use of dice for calculating damage and the like, and sounded pretty awsome! Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi tom. Well while I agree on material costs, at the same time as you said yourself the markup is frankly insane on access products, because it's a captive and small markit manufacturers of accessible goods and providers of accessible services basically charge through the roof. I think the worst I ever saw was a device composed of an infra red sensor and buzzer. The idea was you could put the sensor on an object or your seet etc, and press the buzzer to have it bleep so you could locate it at a distance by hearing. yes, a very handy device, but not at £350, that is around 600 usd! Heck, I know very little about electronics but even I! could make a guess about how the circuites in those worked, and don't they sell novelty key ring finders that do the same thing for about 1£10? In fairness this isn't just with blindness, wheel chairs, hoists and other equipment for physically disabled people is just as ridiculous, also there are some accessible devices which aren't gougingly priced. I was quite impressed for example to find that the pen friend labelling system I use cost exactly £50 for the initial unit, and packs of 500 labels would cost another £7. Of course annoyingly the rnib won't actually let you buy packs of just the size you want and only sells two basic selections, but there you go. Still this shows not everything accessible has to be insanely expensive, even if the raw materials will put the price up somewhat. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Tom. Looking at my university society's page, there are societies for chess, Backgammon, Poker and indeed Bridge, so people are definitely playing these sorts of games. I might have the name of monster city battle wrong, before you go looking let me ask my brother for the exact details, I'm also not sure about how well it works as a two player game, though I'd be interested to know if you did get to braille it. From my brothers' description it featured a boardd marked with squares including the city at the center which you needed to destroy, and a pack of cards with things like special weapons and abilities. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Someone told me that this is a rule, but I'm not sure if it is in the rules, or if it is just that is what the game comes with. And that is the number of houses and hotels. My version of the game does not have that limit. And so especially if you are playing with money on free parking, you may end up with a hotel on every property that you can put houses and hotels on. BFN Jim Hotel: A place you give good dollars for bad quarters. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Jim. I'd always sort of assumed that at least the idea! was to have hotels for every property on the board, even if there weren't quite enough to do that (especially with older sets where some of the hotels and houses got lost), though in practice I don't think I've ever actually played a game of monopoly where more than about 7 or 8 streets had them. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: dark Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Dark, Someone told me that this is a rule, but I'm not sure if it is in the rules, or if it is just that is what the game comes with. And that is the number of houses and hotels. My version of the game does not have that limit. And so especially if you are playing with money on free parking, you may end up with a hotel on every property that you can put houses and hotels on. BFN Jim Hotel: A place you give good dollars for bad quarters. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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The official rules concerning houses and hotels is that, after they are all bought, you cannot buy one. A Monopoly set comes with 32 houses and 12 hotels. After all of the houses have been bought, the only way to improve your properties is to buy hotels, but you have to have 4 houses on each property of a monopoly to be able to do so. Strategy comes into play. To prevent you from buying hotels, a player might be able to afford hotels for a monopoly, but they would sell their 4 houses back to the bank in order to do so. Then, you would be able to buy those houses. So, all they have to do is to keep 4 houses on their properties, not buying hotels. You are stuck, not able to improve. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Jim. I'd always sort of assumed that at least the idea! was to have hotels for every property on the board, even if there weren't quite enough to do that (especially with older sets where some of the hotels and houses got lost), though in practice I don't think I've ever actually played a game of monopoly where more than about 7 or 8 streets had them. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: dark Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Dark, Someone told me that this is a rule, but I'm not sure if it is in the rules, or if it is just that is what the game comes with. And that is the number of houses and hotels. My version of the game does not have that limit. And so especially if you are playing with money on free parking, you may end up with a hotel on every property that you can put houses and hotels on. BFN Jim Hotel: A place you give good dollars for bad quarters. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Jim, Its not an official rule. It is just that a standard Monopoly set only comes with a limited number of houses and hotels, and it is possible to run out of them during game play. This of course adds an element of strategy because you need to think more about where you place houses and hotels as there is only so many to buy. However, given a choice I much prefer being able to get as many as I need as in your Monopoly game. Cheers! On 12/4/13, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Dark, Someone told me that this is a rule, but I'm not sure if it is in the rules, or if it is just that is what the game comes with. And that is the number of houses and hotels. My version of the game does not have that limit. And so especially if you are playing with money on free parking, you may end up with a hotel on every property that you can put houses and hotels on. BFN Jim Hotel: A place you give good dollars for bad quarters. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, I figured as much. As I said when I was in college there were clubs for all kinds of games not just RPG games. There were groups for Bridge, Poker, Chess, Checkers, etc and I didn't figure that they would just vanish as Shaun indicated is the case where he lives. Personally I think his opinion is based on the people he keeps company with, because I know there are plenty of people in my area still very much into card, board, and puzzle games. Just because video games is all the rave with some younger people does not mean everyone is doing it, or exclusively enjoys video games over more traditional card and board games. I am sure there are some narrow minded people who prefers one over the other, but it is not universal. Cheers! On 12/4/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Looking at my university society's page, there are societies for chess, Backgammon, Poker and indeed Bridge, so people are definitely playing these sorts of games. I might have the name of monster city battle wrong, before you go looking let me ask my brother for the exact details, I'm also not sure about how well it works as a two player game, though I'd be interested to know if you did get to braille it. From my brothers' description it featured a boardd marked with squares including the city at the center which you needed to destroy, and a pack of cards with things like special weapons and abilities. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Dark: Oh, yes. Any time something is developed for the blind, is marketed as an access product, the cost is insane. Not because it costs that much to actually make it, but because we are a captive minority market. As you mentioned the novelty key ring finders only cost perhaps $5 USD if that. In fact I use to have one where I could whistle and it would start beeping to help me locate my keys. Since it was marketed as a novelty item it was real cheap. I am sure if it was made for the blind, marketed as a specialty item, I'd be looking at a key ring that costs at least $50instead of $5 just because you can multiply the cost by a factor of 10 being a specialty item. I know when it comes to card and board games they definitely cost a lot more than their mainstream counterparts. I think a deck of braille playing cards is like $19 when a sighted person can go to Dollar General or Family Dollar and get a standard deck for a dollar. Something like Monopoly is about $50 for a braille set when a standard Monopoly game is between $19 and $29 depending on if it is standard Monopoly or a collectors edition. However, I agree that even excluding material costs I don't think it actually costs that much to produce accessible products. At least not the cost we have to pay to get them from In dependant Living Aids, RNIB, whatever. I know for a fact that the actual cost of making some of those products is a fraction of what they actually charge for it. Cheers! On 12/4/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. Well while I agree on material costs, at the same time as you said yourself the markup is frankly insane on access products, because it's a captive and small markit manufacturers of accessible goods and providers of accessible services basically charge through the roof. I think the worst I ever saw was a device composed of an infra red sensor and buzzer. The idea was you could put the sensor on an object or your seet etc, and press the buzzer to have it bleep so you could locate it at a distance by hearing. yes, a very handy device, but not at £350, that is around 600 usd! Heck, I know very little about electronics but even I! could make a guess about how the circuites in those worked, and don't they sell novelty key ring finders that do the same thing for about 1£10? In fairness this isn't just with blindness, wheel chairs, hoists and other equipment for physically disabled people is just as ridiculous, also there are some accessible devices which aren't gougingly priced. I was quite impressed for example to find that the pen friend labelling system I use cost exactly £50 for the initial unit, and packs of 500 labels would cost another £7. Of course annoyingly the rnib won't actually let you buy packs of just the size you want and only sells two basic selections, but there you go. Still this shows not everything accessible has to be insanely expensive, even if the raw materials will put the price up somewhat. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Yep Haiden, as I said those hearts rule changes were game breakers imho as far as stratogy went, which is why if I were in that situation I'd want to use the standard rules, not because they're standard, but because they provide best for the game. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: hayden presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 4:14 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Heh. Now there's an interesting hearts variant. Takes a lot of the strategy out of it, since there are times when it's worth sacrificing a few points so as to stop from getting them all. But I digress, and I'll stop now. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 5:21 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Well I wouldn't be a nazi about it, but while I can certainly see bennifits for many rule changes that one sort of confuses me since I don't see what it adds to the game other than the chance to grab extra money at random. But then again if people like the rule fair enough, it's certainly not a game breaker the way I've seen some house rule changes. For example I remember one version of hearts where all the hearts counted their spot value, (ace as eleven), which made the game very whacky as compared to the standard rules since the ace of hearts was nearly as bad as the queen of space, and even if you lose one penalty point if it's the ace your in trouble. I also remember one version which utterly missed off shooting the moon. BEware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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That's fair enough Tom, and indeed I wasn't suggesting you create something like that, since for a start Talisman has already been pretty bad about stamping out computerized versions of their board games, (the scum). It just sometimes irritates me that while games like Talisman are intrinsically no less accessible than monopoly, there is no accessible version made of them. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 5:30 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Dark, Well, while I would like to play some of those fantasy board games you speak of myself unfortunately I would have to own it or at least the rule book in order to make a software version of the game. Since I don't have that and money is tight right now I have to stick to games I know. Cheers! On 12/2/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. Some of those alternate monopoly varients did sound like a lot of fun, what I'd most like to play some of the fantasy board games that are floating around like talisman, which work like simplified rpgs or gamebooks with basic combat, cards with special events and the like. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Dark, Well, you are right there are many different versions of Monopoly with custom rules and changes in money. In the Star Trek and Star Wars boards I had instead of money they were called credits which makes sense. In the Lord of the Rings version there was a ring that traveled around the board which had its own special rules quite apart from the bog standard Monopoly you are familiar with. I have considered writing a few accessible versions of these Monopoly games as they are in my opinion a lot more fun than the bog standard Monopoly game. Cheers! On 12/2/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well for a start the London version of monopoly that I know which is commonly used in the Uk doesn't use Dollars :D. Then again monopoly seems to have a lot of rule variation. When i originally played for example I always thought no buying on the first go around the board was an official rule and was quite surprised to find many players didn't. It makes for a longer game and also makes luck with the dice important to get off to an early start, but it does tend to result in players picking up properties in a more spread out way since obviously they will arive on the first few squares at different times. There was also a really weerd rule which I've seen some people play with that whenever a player loses cash to a chance or community chest card, that cash goes into the center of the board and the next person who lands on free parking can take it, though to me that one seemed just plane crazy, and I couldn't really see the point since you don't get paid for free parking in real life :d. And all this is of course apart from some of the whackier custom monopoly games with different rules and cards, albeit I've unfortunately never really got to play those myself as (as usual), the only accessible version in braille is the bog standard original one. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Dark, Money on free parking is not an official rule, but it is a popular variation that allot of people like to play with. I have that option in my game of monopoly. I also have where you do or do not collect rent if you are in jail as well as an option for an auction for a property that is landed on, but not bought. BFN Jim Monopoly? No, we just don't want competition --Intel j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Dark: I know. The problem is, as you well know, there is a certain mindset about the blind that we are all over 60, that we wouldn't be interested in anything like that, and so the companies that manufacturer and sell accessible card and board games tend to stick to the bog standard games like Monopoly without any variations. The problem is I can go to Walmart, Toys-R-Us, or any other mainstream store and find all kinds of interesting variations on basic card and board games. In Monopoly there was the Lord of the Rings, Star Trek, Star Wars, and several other variations. One of the coolest was the Millennium edition of Monopoly which had lighted houses and hotels, street lights, and made noises when your piece landed on one of the railroads etc. It was awesome, but of course they wouldn't make anything that cool for us. There also have been many variations on the game of Life. One of the variations I have is a Pirates of the Caribbean set where you get to play as one of the main characters from the movies, buy a pirate ship, and gather plunder. I have also scene, but never played, a couple of children's variations of Life such as one based on Sponge Bob Square Pants and another one based on the Simpson's. Both would be cute to own and play. Trouble, a game I don't believe has ever been made accessible, has had all kinds of variations too such as Star Wars, Disney, Transformers, etc. The variations don't really change the game much, but one thing I liked about the Star Wars edition of Trouble is there was an R2-D2 for the popper and it would light up, beep, and added something extra to the game besides the standard clear plastic bubble. Getting back to the point until we are able to effect the decisions of the people who make these games that we are just as interested in playing those games as the sighted person we are going to continue to get stuck with the same old boring versions of Monopoly, Life, Checkers, Chess, and whatever else are available through the blind organizations. Playing a game like Talisman isn't going to happen unless we make up our own accessible set of cards and boards etc. Cheers! On 12/3/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: That's fair enough Tom, and indeed I wasn't suggesting you create something like that, since for a start Talisman has already been pretty bad about stamping out computerized versions of their board games, (the scum). It just sometimes irritates me that while games like Talisman are intrinsically no less accessible than monopoly, there is no accessible version made of them. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Jim. I know you had that rule change in your game, it's just one which has always confused me a little as to it's logic. I can see the point of auctions for properties landed on and not bought, though to be honest I don't particularly like that rule myself, since I prefer the strategic game of people choosing sets and completing them rather than just forcing sales as quick as possible. I can see the point if you want to speed the game up, but I prefer the slower game myself. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: dark Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Dark, Money on free parking is not an official rule, but it is a popular variation that allot of people like to play with. I have that option in my game of monopoly. I also have where you do or do not collect rent if you are in jail as well as an option for an auction for a property that is landed on, but not bought. BFN Jim Monopoly? No, we just don't want competition --Intel j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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All that is unfrotunately true, heck, you can't even get tactile rpg dice, (hence my question about an Iphone dice program), despite the fact that tabletop rp is one of the most intrinsically accessible forms of game to play, heck, with so many manuals and rule books now available from sites like drivethru rpg you don't even need to make a specifically accessible rulebook anymore, but will anyone produce anything like that? will they hell! All the best, dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
To my knowledge, there is not an accessible dice roller for the iPhone, yet. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game All that is unfrotunately true, heck, you can't even get tactile rpg dice, (hence my question about an Iphone dice program), despite the fact that tabletop rp is one of the most intrinsically accessible forms of game to play, heck, with so many manuals and rule books now available from sites like drivethru rpg you don't even need to make a specifically accessible rulebook anymore, but will anyone produce anything like that? will they hell! All the best, dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
The official rules are that, if a property is landed on that has not been bought, it is immediately auctioned off, and everyone can bid on it. Strategy can come into play. If you know that nobody else can pay a given amount for the property, and that amount is less than the printed price of the property, and you are wealthy, put it up for auction and bid the price they cannot afford and get it for less. If you know that someone needs that property to have a monopoly, and you are wealthy, either raise the bid to more than they can afford or make them pay through the nose for it, which will give you a better winning possibility later on by breaking them. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Jim. I know you had that rule change in your game, it's just one which has always confused me a little as to it's logic. I can see the point of auctions for properties landed on and not bought, though to be honest I don't particularly like that rule myself, since I prefer the strategic game of people choosing sets and completing them rather than just forcing sales as quick as possible. I can see the point if you want to speed the game up, but I prefer the slower game myself. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: dark Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Dark, Money on free parking is not an official rule, but it is a popular variation that allot of people like to play with. I have that option in my game of monopoly. I also have where you do or do not collect rent if you are in jail as well as an option for an auction for a property that is landed on, but not bought. BFN Jim Monopoly? No, we just don't want competition --Intel j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi charlse. That is true, but I did always enjoy the strategic elements of landing on certian properties and waiting to see what happened. It almost became a game of poker, because if you land on a property someone else wants you can either A, see if you can force them to pay through the nose as you said, or B, buy it yourself and hold on to it to stop them getting the full set or wait to get it off them later. As I said, it makes for a longer game but I think I do prefer it without the auction myself. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game The official rules are that, if a property is landed on that has not been bought, it is immediately auctioned off, and everyone can bid on it. Strategy can come into play. If you know that nobody else can pay a given amount for the property, and that amount is less than the printed price of the property, and you are wealthy, put it up for auction and bid the price they cannot afford and get it for less. If you know that someone needs that property to have a monopoly, and you are wealthy, either raise the bid to more than they can afford or make them pay through the nose for it, which will give you a better winning possibility later on by breaking them. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Jim. I know you had that rule change in your game, it's just one which has always confused me a little as to it's logic. I can see the point of auctions for properties landed on and not bought, though to be honest I don't particularly like that rule myself, since I prefer the strategic game of people choosing sets and completing them rather than just forcing sales as quick as possible. I can see the point if you want to speed the game up, but I prefer the slower game myself. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: dark Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Dark, Money on free parking is not an official rule, but it is a popular variation that allot of people like to play with. I have that option in my game of monopoly. I also have where you do or do not collect rent if you are in jail as well as an option for an auction for a property that is landed on, but not bought. BFN Jim Monopoly? No, we just don't want competition --Intel j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Charles, It is interesting that when I was a boy and we played Monopoly, we removed the auction rule completely. The only way to buy a property was to land on it. This lead to lots of buying on the first two or there go around and then a lull as no one had money to buy properties. Eventually you could only trade if you had a property someone else wanted and you had one that they wanted. Phil - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game The official rules are that, if a property is landed on that has not been bought, it is immediately auctioned off, and everyone can bid on it. Strategy can come into play. If you know that nobody else can pay a given amount for the property, and that amount is less than the printed price of the property, and you are wealthy, put it up for auction and bid the price they cannot afford and get it for less. If you know that someone needs that property to have a monopoly, and you are wealthy, either raise the bid to more than they can afford or make them pay through the nose for it, which will give you a better winning possibility later on by breaking them. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Jim. I know you had that rule change in your game, it's just one which has always confused me a little as to it's logic. I can see the point of auctions for properties landed on and not bought, though to be honest I don't particularly like that rule myself, since I prefer the strategic game of people choosing sets and completing them rather than just forcing sales as quick as possible. I can see the point if you want to speed the game up, but I prefer the slower game myself. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: dark Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Dark, Money on free parking is not an official rule, but it is a popular variation that allot of people like to play with. I have that option in my game of monopoly. I also have where you do or do not collect rent if you are in jail as well as an option for an auction for a property that is landed on, but not bought. BFN Jim Monopoly? No, we just don't want competition --Intel j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3629/6387 - Release Date: 12/03/13 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
One of the games I still miss was based on the monopoly concept. You were trying to become the presidant of a company. if you failed you would become the cleaner. It was visual but I got materials and designed a board with cardboard and foil and with some braille dice and cards and some monopoly tokens was able to play. The game was called ulsas but I never played it more than twice before things got hectic. To be honest, I played all my games before 2000, before 1995 for 5 years I had almost no pc and then only a 386. in 1996 I got a pc but still was able to play. after 2002 or there abouts that got less till now. I have an xp system and a win7 system. everyone has tablets and phones. I think if there was a way to turn off all devices and the net I'd do it again. But there is email, social network, online games and sometimes I find myself just happily mucking round on youtube or slothing round on the pc when I know I shouldn't. I have tried to keep my reading alive but the scary thing is I could happily stop reading braille in fact stop doing everything I used to do when taught how to be blind to use the net. It may actually happen with others. Family that used to have time to play afterwork are so tired after looking at a screen all day they want to blob.Ofcause computer games are ofcause more superior than the crappy board ones, yet I still miss it. When the only thing you could hear would be the weather outside, when all you did in the next hour or less was get another coffee. That doesn't happen so much. And sadly a lot born into this age of consoles and other things may never play a game in their lives. I know, my cousins were born into the borg universe. They adapted a lot. They have played a few ugio games and some monopoly but most of it is simply the computer. They would probably play all night and day if they were not told to get off their consoles. Its why I made an effort to stay off social networks but much as I have tried, most of what I do is to be online all day and all night. Something new always comes up and when there isn't I end up mucking round chewing bandwidth listening to stupid vids, but not being able to get off again really. Some days like today the net calms down enough for me to think of times gone by. At 06:01 AM 12/4/2013, you wrote: Hi Charles, It is interesting that when I was a boy and we played Monopoly, we removed the auction rule completely. The only way to buy a property was to land on it. This lead to lots of buying on the first two or there go around and then a lull as no one had money to buy properties. Eventually you could only trade if you had a property someone else wanted and you had one that they wanted. Phil - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game The official rules are that, if a property is landed on that has not been bought, it is immediately auctioned off, and everyone can bid on it. Strategy can come into play. If you know that nobody else can pay a given amount for the property, and that amount is less than the printed price of the property, and you are wealthy, put it up for auction and bid the price they cannot afford and get it for less. If you know that someone needs that property to have a monopoly, and you are wealthy, either raise the bid to more than they can afford or make them pay through the nose for it, which will give you a better winning possibility later on by breaking them. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Jim. I know you had that rule change in your game, it's just one which has always confused me a little as to it's logic. I can see the point of auctions for properties landed on and not bought, though to be honest I don't particularly like that rule myself, since I prefer the strategic game of people choosing sets and completing them rather than just forcing sales as quick as possible. I can see the point if you want to speed the game up, but I prefer the slower game myself. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: dark Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Dark, Money on free parking is not an official rule, but it is a popular variation that allot of people like to play with. I have that option in my game of monopoly. I also have where you do or do not collect rent if you are in jail as well as an option for an auction for a property that is landed
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Thomas, excellent point about affecting the decisions of manufacturers. Let me suggest that this is where our lobbies come in or rather, are supposed to come in. ;) Groups such as the ACB and NFB are really supposed to be fulfilling these roles as they do place themselves in the position of being the voice of the blind. Until we can simply get wide-ranging notions in place in society that we are just as varied a group of individuals as our sighted counterparts (though our numbers are much smaller) the lack of awareness will continue. Right now, the average individual really has only the occasional concept of the 'Hollywood' version of the blind person, in essence. Once that portrayal is gone from the consciousness then the subject never comes up again, until the next stereotypical 'Hollywood' portrayal arises. We need to not only have a more constant portrayal of blind individuals but also a more realistic and wide ranging portrayal of said individuals. In other words, many more of us need to be seen and heard from on a national and world stage, more often. This will help to enhance peoples' general consciousness on a daily basis and help to bring this community more out of the shadows. Short of this, I'm not sure how quickly progress will be made. Does this make sense? this sort of thing can start as simply as a person giving a talk at a school or library. Despite the fact that it may seem like we should be much further along than this, as a society in the 21st century, many, many people are still very interested / curious about how blind people go about their daily lives in the world. Many people really do want to understand and do care. this includes CEOs as much as it includes the quote average person. The info just needs to be out there more. :) This truly is a question of basic awareness. Thanks for a great topic! Smiles, Cara :) --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Dec 3, 2013, at 4:34 AM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark: I know. The problem is, as you well know, there is a certain mindset about the blind that we are all over 60, that we wouldn't be interested in anything like that, and so the companies that manufacturer and sell accessible card and board games tend to stick to the bog standard games like Monopoly without any variations. The problem is I can go to Walmart, Toys-R-Us, or any other mainstream store and find all kinds of interesting variations on basic card and board games. In Monopoly there was the Lord of the Rings, Star Trek, Star Wars, and several other variations. One of the coolest was the Millennium edition of Monopoly which had lighted houses and hotels, street lights, and made noises when your piece landed on one of the railroads etc. It was awesome, but of course they wouldn't make anything that cool for us. There also have been many variations on the game of Life. One of the variations I have is a Pirates of the Caribbean set where you get to play as one of the main characters from the movies, buy a pirate ship, and gather plunder. I have also scene, but never played, a couple of children's variations of Life such as one based on Sponge Bob Square Pants and another one based on the Simpson's. Both would be cute to own and play. Trouble, a game I don't believe has ever been made accessible, has had all kinds of variations too such as Star Wars, Disney, Transformers, etc. The variations don't really change the game much, but one thing I liked about the Star Wars edition of Trouble is there was an R2-D2 for the popper and it would light up, beep, and added something extra to the game besides the standard clear plastic bubble. Getting back to the point until we are able to effect the decisions of the people who make these games that we are just as interested in playing those games as the sighted person we are going to continue to get stuck with the same old boring versions of Monopoly, Life, Checkers, Chess, and whatever else are available through the blind organizations. Playing a game like Talisman isn't going to happen unless we make up our own accessible set of cards and boards etc. Cheers! On 12/3/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: That's fair enough Tom, and indeed I wasn't suggesting you create something like that, since for a start Talisman has already been pretty bad about stamping out computerized versions of their board games, (the scum). It just sometimes irritates me that while games like Talisman are intrinsically no less accessible than monopoly, there is no accessible version made of them. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
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Well for a start the London version of monopoly that I know which is commonly used in the Uk doesn't use Dollars :D. Then again monopoly seems to have a lot of rule variation. When i originally played for example I always thought no buying on the first go around the board was an official rule and was quite surprised to find many players didn't. It makes for a longer game and also makes luck with the dice important to get off to an early start, but it does tend to result in players picking up properties in a more spread out way since obviously they will arive on the first few squares at different times. There was also a really weerd rule which I've seen some people play with that whenever a player loses cash to a chance or community chest card, that cash goes into the center of the board and the next person who lands on free parking can take it, though to me that one seemed just plane crazy, and I couldn't really see the point since you don't get paid for free parking in real life :d. And all this is of course apart from some of the whackier custom monopoly games with different rules and cards, albeit I've unfortunately never really got to play those myself as (as usual), the only accessible version in braille is the bog standard original one. Beware the Grue! Dark. Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game The official rules are 2 $500 bills, 2 $100 bills, 2 $50 bills, 6 $20 bills, 5 $10 bills, 5 $5 bills, and 5 $1 bills. I wonder if they are different in the UK, although I wouldn't think so. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Wow Haiden, those aren't the distributions I know. In all the rules I know it's 4 hundreds, one fifty, two tens, a twenty a 5 and 5 1's, nothing about six 20's. but I suspect this is something where different rules are used in different places and after all it doesn't really matter so long as each player has a good selection of change to pay small bills with. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: hayden presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi, If I might chime in: the money distributions were: 500-2, 100-2, 50-2, 20-6, 10-5, 5-5, 1-5, with the first number being the denomination and the second being the number of said denomination given to each player. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 9:16 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Milos, This is in deed on topic so no worries. When this list was originally established back in the mid 90's the list included all accessible games including standard board, puzzle, and card games in braille as well as electronic versions. So I am glad you asked your questions here. As to your questions here are your answers. As far as distributing the money the instructions give the exact amounts how the money is to be divided up among the players. I don't remember the exact amounts off the top of my head, but if you have a braille or audio instruction manual it will tell you how to divide the money between players. To buy a property in Monopoly you must give the banker the amount of money for the property listed on the deed, and in return he or she will give you the deed to the property. To mortgage a property you will have to give the banker the deed to that property and in return he or she will give you the mortgage value listed on the deed. He or she will write it down on a piece of paper that this or that property is mortgaged and probably keep it in a separate pile from the unsold deeds. Cheers! On 12/1/13, Milos Przic milos.pr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I think that this is not Off-Topic. It is about a game that is accessible, although it is not neither video nor audio game but a braille monopoly that I ordered on Ebay and it arrived some time ago. Now I am trying to play and have some questions, and if this is off-topic I will make no objections if the moderators close it. First, let me say that I know the rules and that I am very experienced player in all audio versions of Monopoly. So the rules are not the problem, but the questions are about applying them in the physical game, that is, how to do some things that the computer does
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Well the rules I mention are from the version I own which is the brailled version by the Rnib, and knowing what they're like, while it is a good set with clear markings and decent colours it might be possible that it had some earlier varients of the rules. As I said however it's the alternative monopoly games I'm a little sad to miss, indeed fantasy board games seem to have really taken off at the moment. My nbrother regularly plays a lotr board game which plays like a gamebook with some simple mechanics with the players playing the four hobbits going to Mordor. My brother also regularly plays Talisman and has collected several varients, which is another very famous fantasy board game with basic rpg mechanics but the board as the playing space and lots of random event cards. I'd actually love to see an accessible version of a fantasy board game like that, as I've always wanted to play one but none have ever been accessible. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
The two rules you mentioned are house rules. And how's this for an idea? The Grue as a token? --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:29 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Well for a start the London version of monopoly that I know which is commonly used in the Uk doesn't use Dollars :D. Then again monopoly seems to have a lot of rule variation. When i originally played for example I always thought no buying on the first go around the board was an official rule and was quite surprised to find many players didn't. It makes for a longer game and also makes luck with the dice important to get off to an early start, but it does tend to result in players picking up properties in a more spread out way since obviously they will arive on the first few squares at different times. There was also a really weerd rule which I've seen some people play with that whenever a player loses cash to a chance or community chest card, that cash goes into the center of the board and the next person who lands on free parking can take it, though to me that one seemed just plane crazy, and I couldn't really see the point since you don't get paid for free parking in real life :d. And all this is of course apart from some of the whackier custom monopoly games with different rules and cards, albeit I've unfortunately never really got to play those myself as (as usual), the only accessible version in braille is the bog standard original one. Beware the Grue! Dark. Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game The official rules are 2 $500 bills, 2 $100 bills, 2 $50 bills, 6 $20 bills, 5 $10 bills, 5 $5 bills, and 5 $1 bills. I wonder if they are different in the UK, although I wouldn't think so. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Wow Haiden, those aren't the distributions I know. In all the rules I know it's 4 hundreds, one fifty, two tens, a twenty a 5 and 5 1's, nothing about six 20's. but I suspect this is something where different rules are used in different places and after all it doesn't really matter so long as each player has a good selection of change to pay small bills with. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: hayden presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi, If I might chime in: the money distributions were: 500-2, 100-2, 50-2, 20-6, 10-5, 5-5, 1-5, with the first number being the denomination and the second being the number of said denomination given to each player. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 9:16 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Milos, This is in deed on topic so no worries. When this list was originally established back in the mid 90's the list included all accessible games including standard board, puzzle, and card games in braille as well as electronic versions. So I am glad you asked your questions here. As to your questions here are your answers. As far as distributing the money the instructions give the exact amounts how the money is to be divided up among the players. I don't remember the exact amounts off the top of my head, but if you have a braille or audio instruction manual it will tell you how to divide the money between players. To buy a property in Monopoly you must give the banker the amount of money for the property listed on the deed, and in return he or she will give you the deed to the property. To mortgage a property you will have to give the banker the deed to that property and in return he or she will give you the mortgage value listed on the deed. He or she will write it down on a piece of paper that this or that property is mortgaged and probably keep it in a separate pile from the unsold deeds. Cheers! On 12/1/13, Milos Przic milos.pr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I think that this is not Off-Topic. It is about a game that is accessible, although it is not neither video nor audio game but a braille monopoly that I ordered on Ebay and it arrived some time ago. Now I am trying
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Dark, Well, you are right there are many different versions of Monopoly with custom rules and changes in money. In the Star Trek and Star Wars boards I had instead of money they were called credits which makes sense. In the Lord of the Rings version there was a ring that traveled around the board which had its own special rules quite apart from the bog standard Monopoly you are familiar with. I have considered writing a few accessible versions of these Monopoly games as they are in my opinion a lot more fun than the bog standard Monopoly game. Cheers! On 12/2/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well for a start the London version of monopoly that I know which is commonly used in the Uk doesn't use Dollars :D. Then again monopoly seems to have a lot of rule variation. When i originally played for example I always thought no buying on the first go around the board was an official rule and was quite surprised to find many players didn't. It makes for a longer game and also makes luck with the dice important to get off to an early start, but it does tend to result in players picking up properties in a more spread out way since obviously they will arive on the first few squares at different times. There was also a really weerd rule which I've seen some people play with that whenever a player loses cash to a chance or community chest card, that cash goes into the center of the board and the next person who lands on free parking can take it, though to me that one seemed just plane crazy, and I couldn't really see the point since you don't get paid for free parking in real life :d. And all this is of course apart from some of the whackier custom monopoly games with different rules and cards, albeit I've unfortunately never really got to play those myself as (as usual), the only accessible version in braille is the bog standard original one. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi tom. Some of those alternate monopoly varients did sound like a lot of fun, what I'd most like to play some of the fantasy board games that are floating around like talisman, which work like simplified rpgs or gamebooks with basic combat, cards with special events and the like. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Dark, Well, you are right there are many different versions of Monopoly with custom rules and changes in money. In the Star Trek and Star Wars boards I had instead of money they were called credits which makes sense. In the Lord of the Rings version there was a ring that traveled around the board which had its own special rules quite apart from the bog standard Monopoly you are familiar with. I have considered writing a few accessible versions of these Monopoly games as they are in my opinion a lot more fun than the bog standard Monopoly game. Cheers! On 12/2/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well for a start the London version of monopoly that I know which is commonly used in the Uk doesn't use Dollars :D. Then again monopoly seems to have a lot of rule variation. When i originally played for example I always thought no buying on the first go around the board was an official rule and was quite surprised to find many players didn't. It makes for a longer game and also makes luck with the dice important to get off to an early start, but it does tend to result in players picking up properties in a more spread out way since obviously they will arive on the first few squares at different times. There was also a really weerd rule which I've seen some people play with that whenever a player loses cash to a chance or community chest card, that cash goes into the center of the board and the next person who lands on free parking can take it, though to me that one seemed just plane crazy, and I couldn't really see the point since you don't get paid for free parking in real life :d. And all this is of course apart from some of the whackier custom monopoly games with different rules and cards, albeit I've unfortunately never really got to play those myself as (as usual), the only accessible version in braille is the bog standard original one. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Dark, Heh. As weird as the house rule appears to you, I think you'd be surprised how many people use it. Most people I know use it on an actual physical board, and if I' on the playroom it almost always comes into play there as well. I try to avoid such things; I'm sort of a Nazi when it comes to following the rules in such games, especially when actually getting said money is strictly a luck-based outcome. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:29 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Well for a start the London version of monopoly that I know which is commonly used in the Uk doesn't use Dollars :D. Then again monopoly seems to have a lot of rule variation. When i originally played for example I always thought no buying on the first go around the board was an official rule and was quite surprised to find many players didn't. It makes for a longer game and also makes luck with the dice important to get off to an early start, but it does tend to result in players picking up properties in a more spread out way since obviously they will arive on the first few squares at different times. There was also a really weerd rule which I've seen some people play with that whenever a player loses cash to a chance or community chest card, that cash goes into the center of the board and the next person who lands on free parking can take it, though to me that one seemed just plane crazy, and I couldn't really see the point since you don't get paid for free parking in real life :d. And all this is of course apart from some of the whackier custom monopoly games with different rules and cards, albeit I've unfortunately never really got to play those myself as (as usual), the only accessible version in braille is the bog standard original one. Beware the Grue! Dark. Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game The official rules are 2 $500 bills, 2 $100 bills, 2 $50 bills, 6 $20 bills, 5 $10 bills, 5 $5 bills, and 5 $1 bills. I wonder if they are different in the UK, although I wouldn't think so. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Wow Haiden, those aren't the distributions I know. In all the rules I know it's 4 hundreds, one fifty, two tens, a twenty a 5 and 5 1's, nothing about six 20's. but I suspect this is something where different rules are used in different places and after all it doesn't really matter so long as each player has a good selection of change to pay small bills with. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: hayden presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi, If I might chime in: the money distributions were: 500-2, 100-2, 50-2, 20-6, 10-5, 5-5, 1-5, with the first number being the denomination and the second being the number of said denomination given to each player. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 9:16 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Milos, This is in deed on topic so no worries. When this list was originally established back in the mid 90's the list included all accessible games including standard board, puzzle, and card games in braille as well as electronic versions. So I am glad you asked your questions here. As to your questions here are your answers. As far as distributing the money the instructions give the exact amounts how the money is to be divided up among the players. I don't remember the exact amounts off the top of my head, but if you have a braille or audio instruction manual it will tell you how to divide the money between players. To buy a property in Monopoly you must give the banker the amount of money for the property listed on the deed, and in return he or she will give you the deed to the property. To mortgage a property you will have to give the banker the deed to that property and in return he or she will give you the mortgage value listed on the deed. He or she will write it down on a piece of paper that this or that property is mortgaged and probably keep
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Dark, Interesting. Just as you've ever seen the one I mentioned, I haven't seen yours either IN actuality, I almost woujld prefer that, since in the end you get $1500, and you aren't doing so much exchanging early on to buy properties. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 12:13 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Wow Haiden, those aren't the distributions I know. In all the rules I know it's 4 hundreds, one fifty, two tens, a twenty a 5 and 5 1's, nothing about six 20's. but I suspect this is something where different rules are used in different places and after all it doesn't really matter so long as each player has a good selection of change to pay small bills with. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: hayden presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi, If I might chime in: the money distributions were: 500-2, 100-2, 50-2, 20-6, 10-5, 5-5, 1-5, with the first number being the denomination and the second being the number of said denomination given to each player. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 9:16 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Milos, This is in deed on topic so no worries. When this list was originally established back in the mid 90's the list included all accessible games including standard board, puzzle, and card games in braille as well as electronic versions. So I am glad you asked your questions here. As to your questions here are your answers. As far as distributing the money the instructions give the exact amounts how the money is to be divided up among the players. I don't remember the exact amounts off the top of my head, but if you have a braille or audio instruction manual it will tell you how to divide the money between players. To buy a property in Monopoly you must give the banker the amount of money for the property listed on the deed, and in return he or she will give you the deed to the property. To mortgage a property you will have to give the banker the deed to that property and in return he or she will give you the mortgage value listed on the deed. He or she will write it down on a piece of paper that this or that property is mortgaged and probably keep it in a separate pile from the unsold deeds. Cheers! On 12/1/13, Milos Przic milos.pr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I think that this is not Off-Topic. It is about a game that is accessible, although it is not neither video nor audio game but a braille monopoly that I ordered on Ebay and it arrived some time ago. Now I am trying to play and have some questions, and if this is off-topic I will make no objections if the moderators close it. First, let me say that I know the rules and that I am very experienced player in all audio versions of Monopoly. So the rules are not the problem, but the questions are about applying them in the physical game, that is, how to do some things that the computer does in a digital version instead. 1. When your token lands on a field and you want to buy it, how do you do it? Do you just take the card where that property info is written? 2. How does one distribute the money? The board comes with a number of banknotes of 1, 5, 10, 50, 100 and 500 dollars. How to distribute the money at the beginning so that everyone has 1500 dollars as the rules state, and still to be able to pay, say, 2, 3, 14 or 223 dollars? 3. How to mark a property that is mortgaged? Another set of questions may come up soon, so thanks in advance! Best regards, Miloš Pržic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8454 (20130616) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Well I wouldn't be a nazi about it, but while I can certainly see bennifits for many rule changes that one sort of confuses me since I don't see what it adds to the game other than the chance to grab extra money at random. But then again if people like the rule fair enough, it's certainly not a game breaker the way I've seen some house rule changes. For example I remember one version of hearts where all the hearts counted their spot value, (ace as eleven), which made the game very whacky as compared to the standard rules since the ace of hearts was nearly as bad as the queen of space, and even if you lose one penalty point if it's the ace your in trouble. I also remember one version which utterly missed off shooting the moon. BEware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Heh. Now there's an interesting hearts variant. Takes a lot of the strategy out of it, since there are times when it's worth sacrificing a few points so as to stop from getting them all. But I digress, and I'll stop now. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 5:21 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Well I wouldn't be a nazi about it, but while I can certainly see bennifits for many rule changes that one sort of confuses me since I don't see what it adds to the game other than the chance to grab extra money at random. But then again if people like the rule fair enough, it's certainly not a game breaker the way I've seen some house rule changes. For example I remember one version of hearts where all the hearts counted their spot value, (ace as eleven), which made the game very whacky as compared to the standard rules since the ace of hearts was nearly as bad as the queen of space, and even if you lose one penalty point if it's the ace your in trouble. I also remember one version which utterly missed off shooting the moon. BEware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Dark, Well, while I would like to play some of those fantasy board games you speak of myself unfortunately I would have to own it or at least the rule book in order to make a software version of the game. Since I don't have that and money is tight right now I have to stick to games I know. Cheers! On 12/2/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. Some of those alternate monopoly varients did sound like a lot of fun, what I'd most like to play some of the fantasy board games that are floating around like talisman, which work like simplified rpgs or gamebooks with basic combat, cards with special events and the like. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Dark, Well, you are right there are many different versions of Monopoly with custom rules and changes in money. In the Star Trek and Star Wars boards I had instead of money they were called credits which makes sense. In the Lord of the Rings version there was a ring that traveled around the board which had its own special rules quite apart from the bog standard Monopoly you are familiar with. I have considered writing a few accessible versions of these Monopoly games as they are in my opinion a lot more fun than the bog standard Monopoly game. Cheers! On 12/2/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well for a start the London version of monopoly that I know which is commonly used in the Uk doesn't use Dollars :D. Then again monopoly seems to have a lot of rule variation. When i originally played for example I always thought no buying on the first go around the board was an official rule and was quite surprised to find many players didn't. It makes for a longer game and also makes luck with the dice important to get off to an early start, but it does tend to result in players picking up properties in a more spread out way since obviously they will arive on the first few squares at different times. There was also a really weerd rule which I've seen some people play with that whenever a player loses cash to a chance or community chest card, that cash goes into the center of the board and the next person who lands on free parking can take it, though to me that one seemed just plane crazy, and I couldn't really see the point since you don't get paid for free parking in real life :d. And all this is of course apart from some of the whackier custom monopoly games with different rules and cards, albeit I've unfortunately never really got to play those myself as (as usual), the only accessible version in braille is the bog standard original one. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
I must say its been years since I have been playing with family board or card games in the physical case anymore. There was a time back in the past before people really got busy with life we would use to do that. Sadly thats mostly gone now. Even when we are away unless we part with almost every bit of tech we have including our phones, tablets and computers which we can't really do fully, we end up playing with those instead of the games. At 04:15 PM 12/2/2013, you wrote: Hi Milos, This is in deed on topic so no worries. When this list was originally established back in the mid 90's the list included all accessible games including standard board, puzzle, and card games in braille as well as electronic versions. So I am glad you asked your questions here. As to your questions here are your answers. As far as distributing the money the instructions give the exact amounts how the money is to be divided up among the players. I don't remember the exact amounts off the top of my head, but if you have a braille or audio instruction manual it will tell you how to divide the money between players. To buy a property in Monopoly you must give the banker the amount of money for the property listed on the deed, and in return he or she will give you the deed to the property. To mortgage a property you will have to give the banker the deed to that property and in return he or she will give you the mortgage value listed on the deed. He or she will write it down on a piece of paper that this or that property is mortgaged and probably keep it in a separate pile from the unsold deeds. Cheers! On 12/1/13, Milos Przic milos.pr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I think that this is not Off-Topic. It is about a game that is accessible, although it is not neither video nor audio game but a braille monopoly that I ordered on Ebay and it arrived some time ago. Now I am trying to play and have some questions, and if this is off-topic I will make no objections if the moderators close it. First, let me say that I know the rules and that I am very experienced player in all audio versions of Monopoly. So the rules are not the problem, but the questions are about applying them in the physical game, that is, how to do some things that the computer does in a digital version instead. 1. When your token lands on a field and you want to buy it, how do you do it? Do you just take the card where that property info is written? 2. How does one distribute the money? The board comes with a number of banknotes of 1, 5, 10, 50, 100 and 500 dollars. How to distribute the money at the beginning so that everyone has 1500 dollars as the rules state, and still to be able to pay, say, 2, 3, 14 or 223 dollars? 3. How to mark a property that is mortgaged? Another set of questions may come up soon, so thanks in advance! Best regards,Milo Pric twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs__ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8454 (20130616) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Shaun, I can sort of relate to that although my situation is a bit different. When I was growing up I use to play board and card games with my mom and her friends, but when I got into my teens etc those friendly gatherings were few and far between. There was a long stretch where I didn't play any card or board games with anyone until I got married. After Esther and I got married we use to play games like Monopoly frequently, but now that we are in the mitts of a divorce I'd say I will probably have little opportunity to play a standard card or board game with someone else unless I do so with my son or something like that. For me these days an electronic/software version is more likely what I will have to be content with. Cheers! On 12/2/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I must say its been years since I have been playing with family board or card games in the physical case anymore. There was a time back in the past before people really got busy with life we would use to do that. Sadly thats mostly gone now. Even when we are away unless we part with almost every bit of tech we have including our phones, tablets and computers which we can't really do fully, we end up playing with those instead of the games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi all, I think that this is not Off-Topic. It is about a game that is accessible, although it is not neither video nor audio game but a braille monopoly that I ordered on Ebay and it arrived some time ago. Now I am trying to play and have some questions, and if this is off-topic I will make no objections if the moderators close it. First, let me say that I know the rules and that I am very experienced player in all audio versions of Monopoly. So the rules are not the problem, but the questions are about applying them in the physical game, that is, how to do some things that the computer does in a digital version instead. 1. When your token lands on a field and you want to buy it, how do you do it? Do you just take the card where that property info is written? 2. How does one distribute the money? The board comes with a number of banknotes of 1, 5, 10, 50, 100 and 500 dollars. How to distribute the money at the beginning so that everyone has 1500 dollars as the rules state, and still to be able to pay, say, 2, 3, 14 or 223 dollars? 3. How to mark a property that is mortgaged? Another set of questions may come up soon, so thanks in advance! Best regards, Miloš Pržic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8454 (20130616) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Milos, I myself played the digital and physical versions of monopoly, so I'll try and answer your questions. When you buy a property, you just put the money for it in the bank and take the card with the info for the property you bought. Regarding the money distribution, I can't remember how it's done. But in the games manual should be a section telling you how many of each type everyone should get at the beginning of the game. If your game doesn't have an accessible manual, maybe someone sighted can take a look for you into the printed one. When you mortgage a property, the rule I know is to turn the card of the mortgaged property around, so that the backside faces upwards. This way everyone can see that this property is mortgaged. Hope this helps and best regards Sarah - Original Message - From: Milos Przic milos.pr...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:12 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi all, I think that this is not Off-Topic. It is about a game that is accessible, although it is not neither video nor audio game but a braille monopoly that I ordered on Ebay and it arrived some time ago. Now I am trying to play and have some questions, and if this is off-topic I will make no objections if the moderators close it. First, let me say that I know the rules and that I am very experienced player in all audio versions of Monopoly. So the rules are not the problem, but the questions are about applying them in the physical game, that is, how to do some things that the computer does in a digital version instead. 1. When your token lands on a field and you want to buy it, how do you do it? Do you just take the card where that property info is written? 2. How does one distribute the money? The board comes with a number of banknotes of 1, 5, 10, 50, 100 and 500 dollars. How to distribute the money at the beginning so that everyone has 1500 dollars as the rules state, and still to be able to pay, say, 2, 3, 14 or 223 dollars? 3. How to mark a property that is mortgaged? Another set of questions may come up soon, so thanks in advance! Best regards, Miloš Pržic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8454 (20130616) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Milo. Firstly, if your braille monopoly is like the one I've owned it should have instructions in braille, but just in case not I'll answer your questions. Firstly regarding how to tell bought or mograged properties, well usually for sighted players laying the property cards along the side of the board will do, either face up with the wrent prices for when players own them, or face down with the morgage info if the back owns the properties. What your best off doing in a braille version though is just for everyone to keep tabs on what they own. i myself sort my properties into sets so if someone lands on one I own I can tell, indeed i have heard a rule that it's the players' responsability to take note when someone lands on her/his property and take money, though usually in practice whenever I've played most people are quick to remember anyway, especially if someone owns houses on a given road. Regarding the cash distribution, if I remember rightly it's two five hundreds, four one hundreds, one fifty, one twenty, two tens, one five, and five ones. aGain, sorting your money in cash order can help keep track of it too. hth. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hello Sarah and Dark, My Monopoly game didn't come with a manual, so thanks! :) Best regards, Milos Przic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 3:04 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Milo. Firstly, if your braille monopoly is like the one I've owned it should have instructions in braille, but just in case not I'll answer your questions. Firstly regarding how to tell bought or mograged properties, well usually for sighted players laying the property cards along the side of the board will do, either face up with the wrent prices for when players own them, or face down with the morgage info if the back owns the properties. What your best off doing in a braille version though is just for everyone to keep tabs on what they own. i myself sort my properties into sets so if someone lands on one I own I can tell, indeed i have heard a rule that it's the players' responsability to take note when someone lands on her/his property and take money, though usually in practice whenever I've played most people are quick to remember anyway, especially if someone owns houses on a given road. Regarding the cash distribution, if I remember rightly it's two five hundreds, four one hundreds, one fifty, one twenty, two tens, one five, and five ones. aGain, sorting your money in cash order can help keep track of it too. hth. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8454 (20130616) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8454 (20130616) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hello all, it's me again with one more question. Now that I know how to distribute the money, it can happen that a player doesn't have a banknote of 2 dollars and has to pay. Can he give to a player to whom he has to pay another banknote and then the other player gives him the rest? Is it stated in the rules? Best regards, and thanks! Milos Przic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 3:04 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Milo. Firstly, if your braille monopoly is like the one I've owned it should have instructions in braille, but just in case not I'll answer your questions. Firstly regarding how to tell bought or mograged properties, well usually for sighted players laying the property cards along the side of the board will do, either face up with the wrent prices for when players own them, or face down with the morgage info if the back owns the properties. What your best off doing in a braille version though is just for everyone to keep tabs on what they own. i myself sort my properties into sets so if someone lands on one I own I can tell, indeed i have heard a rule that it's the players' responsability to take note when someone lands on her/his property and take money, though usually in practice whenever I've played most people are quick to remember anyway, especially if someone owns houses on a given road. Regarding the cash distribution, if I remember rightly it's two five hundreds, four one hundreds, one fifty, one twenty, two tens, one five, and five ones. aGain, sorting your money in cash order can help keep track of it too. hth. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8454 (20130616) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8454 (20130616) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Milos, sure you can do that. The player who gets paid can give back the rest, or you can change money in the bank if a player maybe has too many or not enough notes of one kind. That's vital to the game, if you couldn't do these things you would get stuck all the time because of lack of the right money. Best regards Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Milos, This is in deed on topic so no worries. When this list was originally established back in the mid 90's the list included all accessible games including standard board, puzzle, and card games in braille as well as electronic versions. So I am glad you asked your questions here. As to your questions here are your answers. As far as distributing the money the instructions give the exact amounts how the money is to be divided up among the players. I don't remember the exact amounts off the top of my head, but if you have a braille or audio instruction manual it will tell you how to divide the money between players. To buy a property in Monopoly you must give the banker the amount of money for the property listed on the deed, and in return he or she will give you the deed to the property. To mortgage a property you will have to give the banker the deed to that property and in return he or she will give you the mortgage value listed on the deed. He or she will write it down on a piece of paper that this or that property is mortgaged and probably keep it in a separate pile from the unsold deeds. Cheers! On 12/1/13, Milos Przic milos.pr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I think that this is not Off-Topic. It is about a game that is accessible, although it is not neither video nor audio game but a braille monopoly that I ordered on Ebay and it arrived some time ago. Now I am trying to play and have some questions, and if this is off-topic I will make no objections if the moderators close it. First, let me say that I know the rules and that I am very experienced player in all audio versions of Monopoly. So the rules are not the problem, but the questions are about applying them in the physical game, that is, how to do some things that the computer does in a digital version instead. 1. When your token lands on a field and you want to buy it, how do you do it? Do you just take the card where that property info is written? 2. How does one distribute the money? The board comes with a number of banknotes of 1, 5, 10, 50, 100 and 500 dollars. How to distribute the money at the beginning so that everyone has 1500 dollars as the rules state, and still to be able to pay, say, 2, 3, 14 or 223 dollars? 3. How to mark a property that is mortgaged? Another set of questions may come up soon, so thanks in advance! Best regards, Miloš Pržic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8454 (20130616) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Milos, Absolutely. I don't know if it is in the rules but it is common sense if you owe another player $2 and all you have is a $5 to give him/her a $5 and get three $1's back in exchange. That is the only way the game would work because after a while it is necessary for one player or the other to give some money back in exchange. Cheers! On 12/1/13, Milos Przic milos.pr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, it's me again with one more question. Now that I know how to distribute the money, it can happen that a player doesn't have a banknote of 2 dollars and has to pay. Can he give to a player to whom he has to pay another banknote and then the other player gives him the rest? Is it stated in the rules? Best regards, and thanks! Milos Przic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Milo. Funny you didn't get a manual. It's stated in the Monopoly rules that at the start of the game, one player is designated the banker. This doesn't actually mean anything in play terms, or give any advantages to that player, but basically the banker is the one who handles all the practical matters. It's the banker who distributes money at the start of a game, gives change when it is needed, takes money for buying houses or hotels or morgaged properties and puts it in the bank etc. Think of the banker like the gm of the game, or as performing all the functions that the basic computer program does in something like Jim Kitchin's or rs games monopoly. Hth. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi, If I might chime in: the money distributions were: 500-2, 100-2, 50-2, 20-6, 10-5, 5-5, 1-5, with the first number being the denomination and the second being the number of said denomination given to each player. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 9:16 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Milos, This is in deed on topic so no worries. When this list was originally established back in the mid 90's the list included all accessible games including standard board, puzzle, and card games in braille as well as electronic versions. So I am glad you asked your questions here. As to your questions here are your answers. As far as distributing the money the instructions give the exact amounts how the money is to be divided up among the players. I don't remember the exact amounts off the top of my head, but if you have a braille or audio instruction manual it will tell you how to divide the money between players. To buy a property in Monopoly you must give the banker the amount of money for the property listed on the deed, and in return he or she will give you the deed to the property. To mortgage a property you will have to give the banker the deed to that property and in return he or she will give you the mortgage value listed on the deed. He or she will write it down on a piece of paper that this or that property is mortgaged and probably keep it in a separate pile from the unsold deeds. Cheers! On 12/1/13, Milos Przic milos.pr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I think that this is not Off-Topic. It is about a game that is accessible, although it is not neither video nor audio game but a braille monopoly that I ordered on Ebay and it arrived some time ago. Now I am trying to play and have some questions, and if this is off-topic I will make no objections if the moderators close it. First, let me say that I know the rules and that I am very experienced player in all audio versions of Monopoly. So the rules are not the problem, but the questions are about applying them in the physical game, that is, how to do some things that the computer does in a digital version instead. 1. When your token lands on a field and you want to buy it, how do you do it? Do you just take the card where that property info is written? 2. How does one distribute the money? The board comes with a number of banknotes of 1, 5, 10, 50, 100 and 500 dollars. How to distribute the money at the beginning so that everyone has 1500 dollars as the rules state, and still to be able to pay, say, 2, 3, 14 or 223 dollars? 3. How to mark a property that is mortgaged? Another set of questions may come up soon, so thanks in advance! Best regards, Miloš Pržic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8454 (20130616) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Your questions and my answers: 1. When your token lands on a field and you want to buy it, how do you do it? Do you just take the card where that property info is written? Answer: At the beginning of the game, someone is chosen to be the banker. He or she controls the money in the bank and all of the property deeds. When someone wants to buy a property they land on, they are given the card to that property after they give the amount of cash to the banker. 2. How does one distribute the money? The board comes with a number of banknotes of 1, 5, 10, 50, 100 and 500 dollars. How to distribute the money at the beginning so that everyone has 1500 dollars as the rules state, and still to be able to pay, say, 2, 3, 14 or 223 dollars? Answer: At the beginning of the game, each player gets the following: 2 $500 bills, 2 $100 bills, 2 $50 bills,6 $20 bills, and 5 of each of the other bills. If you want to buy Illinois Avenue, you could pay more than the price so that you will get smaller bills to work with in the future. 3. How to mark a property that is mortgaged? Answer: I keep all of my property deeds in a stack with the rental info facing up. When I mortgage one, I flip it over so that the mortgage info is facing up. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Milos Przic milos.pr...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 7:12 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi all, I think that this is not Off-Topic. It is about a game that is accessible, although it is not neither video nor audio game but a braille monopoly that I ordered on Ebay and it arrived some time ago. Now I am trying to play and have some questions, and if this is off-topic I will make no objections if the moderators close it. First, let me say that I know the rules and that I am very experienced player in all audio versions of Monopoly. So the rules are not the problem, but the questions are about applying them in the physical game, that is, how to do some things that the computer does in a digital version instead. 1. When your token lands on a field and you want to buy it, how do you do it? Do you just take the card where that property info is written? 2. How does one distribute the money? The board comes with a number of banknotes of 1, 5, 10, 50, 100 and 500 dollars. How to distribute the money at the beginning so that everyone has 1500 dollars as the rules state, and still to be able to pay, say, 2, 3, 14 or 223 dollars? 3. How to mark a property that is mortgaged? Another set of questions may come up soon, so thanks in advance! Best regards, Miloš Pržic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8454 (20130616) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Wow Haiden, those aren't the distributions I know. In all the rules I know it's 4 hundreds, one fifty, two tens, a twenty a 5 and 5 1's, nothing about six 20's. but I suspect this is something where different rules are used in different places and after all it doesn't really matter so long as each player has a good selection of change to pay small bills with. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: hayden presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi, If I might chime in: the money distributions were: 500-2, 100-2, 50-2, 20-6, 10-5, 5-5, 1-5, with the first number being the denomination and the second being the number of said denomination given to each player. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 9:16 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Milos, This is in deed on topic so no worries. When this list was originally established back in the mid 90's the list included all accessible games including standard board, puzzle, and card games in braille as well as electronic versions. So I am glad you asked your questions here. As to your questions here are your answers. As far as distributing the money the instructions give the exact amounts how the money is to be divided up among the players. I don't remember the exact amounts off the top of my head, but if you have a braille or audio instruction manual it will tell you how to divide the money between players. To buy a property in Monopoly you must give the banker the amount of money for the property listed on the deed, and in return he or she will give you the deed to the property. To mortgage a property you will have to give the banker the deed to that property and in return he or she will give you the mortgage value listed on the deed. He or she will write it down on a piece of paper that this or that property is mortgaged and probably keep it in a separate pile from the unsold deeds. Cheers! On 12/1/13, Milos Przic milos.pr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I think that this is not Off-Topic. It is about a game that is accessible, although it is not neither video nor audio game but a braille monopoly that I ordered on Ebay and it arrived some time ago. Now I am trying to play and have some questions, and if this is off-topic I will make no objections if the moderators close it. First, let me say that I know the rules and that I am very experienced player in all audio versions of Monopoly. So the rules are not the problem, but the questions are about applying them in the physical game, that is, how to do some things that the computer does in a digital version instead. 1. When your token lands on a field and you want to buy it, how do you do it? Do you just take the card where that property info is written? 2. How does one distribute the money? The board comes with a number of banknotes of 1, 5, 10, 50, 100 and 500 dollars. How to distribute the money at the beginning so that everyone has 1500 dollars as the rules state, and still to be able to pay, say, 2, 3, 14 or 223 dollars? 3. How to mark a property that is mortgaged? Another set of questions may come up soon, so thanks in advance! Best regards, Miloš Pržic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8454 (20130616) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
The official rules are 2 $500 bills, 2 $100 bills, 2 $50 bills, 6 $20 bills, 5 $10 bills, 5 $5 bills, and 5 $1 bills. I wonder if they are different in the UK, although I wouldn't think so. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Wow Haiden, those aren't the distributions I know. In all the rules I know it's 4 hundreds, one fifty, two tens, a twenty a 5 and 5 1's, nothing about six 20's. but I suspect this is something where different rules are used in different places and after all it doesn't really matter so long as each player has a good selection of change to pay small bills with. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: hayden presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi, If I might chime in: the money distributions were: 500-2, 100-2, 50-2, 20-6, 10-5, 5-5, 1-5, with the first number being the denomination and the second being the number of said denomination given to each player. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 9:16 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Milos, This is in deed on topic so no worries. When this list was originally established back in the mid 90's the list included all accessible games including standard board, puzzle, and card games in braille as well as electronic versions. So I am glad you asked your questions here. As to your questions here are your answers. As far as distributing the money the instructions give the exact amounts how the money is to be divided up among the players. I don't remember the exact amounts off the top of my head, but if you have a braille or audio instruction manual it will tell you how to divide the money between players. To buy a property in Monopoly you must give the banker the amount of money for the property listed on the deed, and in return he or she will give you the deed to the property. To mortgage a property you will have to give the banker the deed to that property and in return he or she will give you the mortgage value listed on the deed. He or she will write it down on a piece of paper that this or that property is mortgaged and probably keep it in a separate pile from the unsold deeds. Cheers! On 12/1/13, Milos Przic milos.pr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I think that this is not Off-Topic. It is about a game that is accessible, although it is not neither video nor audio game but a braille monopoly that I ordered on Ebay and it arrived some time ago. Now I am trying to play and have some questions, and if this is off-topic I will make no objections if the moderators close it. First, let me say that I know the rules and that I am very experienced player in all audio versions of Monopoly. So the rules are not the problem, but the questions are about applying them in the physical game, that is, how to do some things that the computer does in a digital version instead. 1. When your token lands on a field and you want to buy it, how do you do it? Do you just take the card where that property info is written? 2. How does one distribute the money? The board comes with a number of banknotes of 1, 5, 10, 50, 100 and 500 dollars. How to distribute the money at the beginning so that everyone has 1500 dollars as the rules state, and still to be able to pay, say, 2, 3, 14 or 223 dollars? 3. How to mark a property that is mortgaged? Another set of questions may come up soon, so thanks in advance! Best regards, Miloš Pržic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8454 (20130616) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Just like in life. If you owe someone $2, and you have a $5 bill, you either get change from the bank or give the player you owe the $5 and get 3 $1 bills as change. It's common sense. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Milos Przic milos.pr...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hello all, it's me again with one more question. Now that I know how to distribute the money, it can happen that a player doesn't have a banknote of 2 dollars and has to pay. Can he give to a player to whom he has to pay another banknote and then the other player gives him the rest? Is it stated in the rules? Best regards, and thanks! Milos Przic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 3:04 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game Hi Milo. Firstly, if your braille monopoly is like the one I've owned it should have instructions in braille, but just in case not I'll answer your questions. Firstly regarding how to tell bought or mograged properties, well usually for sighted players laying the property cards along the side of the board will do, either face up with the wrent prices for when players own them, or face down with the morgage info if the back owns the properties. What your best off doing in a braille version though is just for everyone to keep tabs on what they own. i myself sort my properties into sets so if someone lands on one I own I can tell, indeed i have heard a rule that it's the players' responsability to take note when someone lands on her/his property and take money, though usually in practice whenever I've played most people are quick to remember anyway, especially if someone owns houses on a given road. Regarding the cash distribution, if I remember rightly it's two five hundreds, four one hundreds, one fifty, one twenty, two tens, one five, and five ones. aGain, sorting your money in cash order can help keep track of it too. hth. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8454 (20130616) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8454 (20130616) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Charles: I am not sure about the U.K. rule book, but what you stated below matches with my son's Monopoly board game rule book. I scanned the appropriate section and the American rules are two $500's, two $100's, two $50's, six $20's, and five of everything else. Pretty easy to remember, and the total comes up to exactly $1,500. So it looks right to me. Cheers! On 12/2/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: The official rules are 2 $500 bills, 2 $100 bills, 2 $50 bills, 6 $20 bills, 5 $10 bills, 5 $5 bills, and 5 $1 bills. I wonder if they are different in the UK, although I wouldn't think so. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
