Re: [Audyssey] Games like Civilization

[Jordan Gallacher]

Cast Aways is the only one I can think of off hand.  I have been playing it
for a couple of years and still find it a tough game.
Jordan

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Subject: [Audyssey] Games like Civilization

All,

My question is just what the subject sounds like. Are there any accessible
games that are like the Civilization games, where one builds a civilization
from the ground up and deals with enemy civilizations? I'm thinkin long-term
strategy. I'm sure there are some but I haven't kept up with accessible
games in forever.

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[Audyssey] Games like Civilization

[kelby carlson]

All,

My question is just what the subject sounds like. Are there any
accessible games that are like the Civilization games, where one
builds a civilization from the ground up and deals with enemy
civilizations? I'm thinkin long-term strategy. I'm sure there are some
but I haven't kept up with accessible games in forever.

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Re: [Audyssey] games and where to get them.

[Charles Rivard]

What about the program that installs all of Jim Kitchen's games in one 
whack?  That will install them onto a Windows 7 machine, right?


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Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and where to get them.



Hi Lisa,

Fortunately, most games except for some very old 8-bit and 16-bit Dos
games will run fine under Windows 7 provided all the dependencies are
met. A case in point is the Kitchens Inc games.  Since they were all
written in VB 6 which is no longer officially supported by Windows 7
and above you need to install Jim's Winkit file found on his site
which adds the necessary files and components you need for his games.

As for if there is a Dos box I am assuming you are talking about the
Windows Command Prompt. Yes, Windows 7 still has it, but it will only
work with 32-bit and 64-bit Dos applications. It will not work with
anything 8-bit or 16-bit do to changes in the Windows architecture and
the new 64-bit processors. That said, there is an alternative. There
is a talking Dosbox floating around that you can install that still
plays old Dos games, but it leaves a lot to be desired. Still, barring
anything else it really is the only thing available currently for very
old Dos games on modern Windows.

HTH


On 11/6/15, Lisa Hayes <lhay...@internode.on.net> wrote:
Hi Just wondering if their is a list of windows seven compatible games 
and

where they are to be found thanks.  And what do i need to do to play Jim
kitchen’s games i lost the message in an email crash that Thomas kindly 
sent

me and is their a dos box in win seven please thanks.
Lisa Hayes
www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes
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Re: [Audyssey] games and where to get them.

[Lisa Hayes]

Thanks to Charles and Thomas and Charles the program you mentioned that 
installs everything that is i guess on Jim's site?if not where thanks. 
Sorry for being ignorant here peoples.


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From: Charles Rivard

Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and where to get them.

What about the program that installs all of Jim Kitchen's games in one
whack?  That will install them onto a Windows 7 machine, right?

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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and where to get them.



Hi Lisa,

Fortunately, most games except for some very old 8-bit and 16-bit Dos
games will run fine under Windows 7 provided all the dependencies are
met. A case in point is the Kitchens Inc games.  Since they were all
written in VB 6 which is no longer officially supported by Windows 7
and above you need to install Jim's Winkit file found on his site
which adds the necessary files and components you need for his games.

As for if there is a Dos box I am assuming you are talking about the
Windows Command Prompt. Yes, Windows 7 still has it, but it will only
work with 32-bit and 64-bit Dos applications. It will not work with
anything 8-bit or 16-bit do to changes in the Windows architecture and
the new 64-bit processors. That said, there is an alternative. There
is a talking Dosbox floating around that you can install that still
plays old Dos games, but it leaves a lot to be desired. Still, barring
anything else it really is the only thing available currently for very
old Dos games on modern Windows.

HTH


On 11/6/15, Lisa Hayes <lhay...@internode.on.net> wrote:
Hi Just wondering if their is a list of windows seven compatible games 
and

where they are to be found thanks.  And what do i need to do to play Jim
kitchen’s games i lost the message in an email crash that Thomas kindly 
sent

me and is their a dos box in win seven please thanks.
Lisa Hayes
www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes
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Re: [Audyssey] games and where to get them.

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Charles,

As far as I know yes it should. I have never actually tried it myself
though since I already had most if not all of Jim's games on my
laptops before that installer came out so never had a fresh system to
try it on.



On 11/11/15, Charles Rivard <wee1s...@fidnet.com> wrote:
> What about the program that installs all of Jim Kitchen's games in one
> whack?  That will install them onto a Windows 7 machine, right?
>
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> From: "Thomas Ward" <thomasward1...@gmail.com>
> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and where to get them.
>
>
>> Hi Lisa,
>>
>> Fortunately, most games except for some very old 8-bit and 16-bit Dos
>> games will run fine under Windows 7 provided all the dependencies are
>> met. A case in point is the Kitchens Inc games.  Since they were all
>> written in VB 6 which is no longer officially supported by Windows 7
>> and above you need to install Jim's Winkit file found on his site
>> which adds the necessary files and components you need for his games.
>>
>> As for if there is a Dos box I am assuming you are talking about the
>> Windows Command Prompt. Yes, Windows 7 still has it, but it will only
>> work with 32-bit and 64-bit Dos applications. It will not work with
>> anything 8-bit or 16-bit do to changes in the Windows architecture and
>> the new 64-bit processors. That said, there is an alternative. There
>> is a talking Dosbox floating around that you can install that still
>> plays old Dos games, but it leaves a lot to be desired. Still, barring
>> anything else it really is the only thing available currently for very
>> old Dos games on modern Windows.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>>
>> On 11/6/15, Lisa Hayes <lhay...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>>> Hi Just wondering if their is a list of windows seven compatible games
>>> and
>>> where they are to be found thanks.  And what do i need to do to play Jim
>>> kitchen’s games i lost the message in an email crash that Thomas kindly
>>> sent
>>> me and is their a dos box in win seven please thanks.
>>> Lisa Hayes
>>> www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes
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Re: [Audyssey] games and where to get them.

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Lisa,

Fortunately, most games except for some very old 8-bit and 16-bit Dos
games will run fine under Windows 7 provided all the dependencies are
met. A case in point is the Kitchens Inc games.  Since they were all
written in VB 6 which is no longer officially supported by Windows 7
and above you need to install Jim's Winkit file found on his site
which adds the necessary files and components you need for his games.

As for if there is a Dos box I am assuming you are talking about the
Windows Command Prompt. Yes, Windows 7 still has it, but it will only
work with 32-bit and 64-bit Dos applications. It will not work with
anything 8-bit or 16-bit do to changes in the Windows architecture and
the new 64-bit processors. That said, there is an alternative. There
is a talking Dosbox floating around that you can install that still
plays old Dos games, but it leaves a lot to be desired. Still, barring
anything else it really is the only thing available currently for very
old Dos games on modern Windows.

HTH


On 11/6/15, Lisa Hayes  wrote:
> Hi Just wondering if their is a list of windows seven compatible games and
> where they are to be found thanks.  And what do i need to do to play Jim
> kitchen’s games i lost the message in an email crash that Thomas kindly sent
> me and is their a dos box in win seven please thanks.
> Lisa Hayes
> www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes
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[Audyssey] games and where to get them.

[Lisa Hayes]

Hi Just wondering if their is a list of windows seven compatible games and 
where they are to be found thanks.  And what do i need to do to play Jim 
kitchen’s games i lost the message in an email crash that Thomas kindly sent me 
and is their a dos box in win seven please thanks.  
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Re: [Audyssey] games and where to get them.

[john]

Most games, with the exclusion of some really old ones, will run fine under 
windows 7.
In order to play Jim's games, you need to install the winkit file.


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Subject: [Audyssey] games and where to get them.

Hi Just wondering if their is a list of windows seven compatible games and 
where they are to be found thanks.  And what do i need to do to play Jim 
kitchen’s games i lost the message in an email crash that Thomas kindly sent 
me and is their a dos box in win seven please thanks.
Lisa Hayes
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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Rajmund]

Hello Devin,
LOL, please, don't get me started. I do keychat, everything.. But LOL, I've 
been playing text adventures on the braillenote in class before. Some curses, 
some anchorhead, some... Well, whatever, really. Rate 16 speech rate, no visual 
display. Noone can prove I've done it. I think they do know I use chat and 
email, but they can't prove it. The work is done,  so they have no rights to 
yell. Wow! See? I never was, I'm using my own gmail, for which noone knows the 
password but I do. And the BN is not restricted, and they can't even use it, 
so, again, I was perfectly fine. Oh, people watch football in class here, or 
youtube, or FB, for that matter. I have a class like this, 4 times a week. So 
that's the emailing time right now. I'm not regretting it, either. Why should I 
be all stressed about the work? We're kids, after all, we need fun. I actually 
find chatting on English the best, they think you're writing, when you're 
actually responding to the friend. 
Oh, I already have an own Apple ID, I didn't log them out, though, and have 
IMessage. In terms of games, does that change anything? Or would I still need 
to go to the app store? I can't change the apple ID, but I have made one. LOL, 
they'll never know. I was never caught, and I never involve anyone but myself, 
and possibly the friend, that I'll chat with. I'm doing since for at least 2 
school years, I'm still kicking.

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From: Devin Prater  <r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>
To: Gamers Discussion list  <gamers@audyssey.org>
Date: Friday, October 16, 2015 5:23 pm
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

>
>
> As a high school graduate with plenty of tech knowledge, I know how Rajmund 
> feels. Now, I'm not advocating using games and all in the classroom, and most 
> games on the iPhone require movement and stuff that just can't be played just 
> silently, so I think he wants this for after school.
> I had a school iPod, and iPad Mini. I used my iPhone all my senior year, and 
> teachers knew it. They also knew, though, that I got my work done. That's the 
> key, there. I downloaded Google docs, had a braille display or keyboard, and 
> did my work on my iPhone and submitted it through email. Then I got on 
> Facebook or played an MUD or whatever Iwanted. I admit, when I first got my 
> iPod, I emailed online friends during class and got caught doing it. Yes, the 
> device was locked, and I did use my school email address to do it. Yes, kids 
> have been caught playing clash of clans, crash of clans, whatever, in class 
> on their iPads. But my point is, class is for class, and when you have a 
> teacher that teaches, you won't have time to play games and such. Our 
> teachers were easy-going, and sometimes we didn't do all that much in some 
> classes. So I'd be online or read a book when Bard Mobile was still the top 
> dog.
> Now, being older, I still don't have a problem with what I did. I took notes 
> on my iPhone, did my English and French work on my iPod a year prior to the 
> Phone, and even did math on the devices, with the help of UEB.
> Another point I have to make is that if a student is held back, especially if 
> the student is bright, he will seek ways around things. He, well at least me, 
> I, emailed with the iPod, and got Google voice, with GVMax, so that I could 
> text. No Raymund, this won't work with the braille sense, fore GVMax is no 
> more, sorry. So yes, I texted in class, I texted all the time back then, and 
> when I didn't use the school email address, I used my gamil, which I added. I 
> got caught there too, since I added the address to my step-dad's Android 
> phone to play with it, so my family got involved. Then, I simply had my 
> Google Voice texts sent to my Apple email, so that no one but me could get 
> it. No one found out fter that. And the only reasons why I got caught the 
> other times is because I was careless those times. I have no problems with 
> what I did, because I ultimately learned things about myself and about people 
> in general. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Oct 8, 2015, at 2:45 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.ever...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > hmmm then the device is secured fully.
> > Look at my previous message, think of your education  place as a large 
> > company.
> > Read some articles on why a internet polocy is a good idea.
> > There have been many instances of people not doing work because they got to 
> > free with what they put on, causing dammage, etc.
> > Various people that have actually had copywrited info on their system, 
> > porn, child porn have got fired.
> > However that is not the end of that, any alegal activity or anything even 
> > if its inocent could really mash reputation of the organisation in 
> > question, you may

Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Devin Prater]

ed.
> Games are generally not work related.
> Your easiest bet is to get a device and well do it that way.
> On the off chance and I am not sure how secure the account is locked as, but 
> if you are able to somehow obtain the account username and password, load i9t 
> on another device or computer, buy all the games you want then sync it all 
> with the device you want in theory it should work.
> Then again you may still get picked up.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8/10/2015 9:39 a.m., Rajmund wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> District. Their ID is logged in, and I can apparently not log it out. The 
>> device is supposed to be for education, but I can't see myself writing 
>> assessments on the touch screen any time soon. Although, I agree, the rules 
>> are pretty messed up. HTH
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
>> To: "Gamers Discussion list"  <gamers@audyssey.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 9:14 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The questions were very clearly asked.
>>> 
>>> 1.  You say that you are not allowed to use the app store.  Who is not
>>> allowing you to do so?
>>> 
>>> 2.  How are you expected to get apps to make the iPad of more benefit to you
>>> with this restriction in place?
>>> 
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>>> To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 1:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> What do you mean, exactly?
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
>>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:34 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Who would put such a restriction on an iPad?  How can you get anything
>>>>> without being allowed to use the source from which apps are gotten?
>>>>> 
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>>>>> Subject: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>>>>> 
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>>>>>> Hello there,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my
>>>>>> district,
>>>>>> I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is there a
>>>>>> way
>>>>>> to get games onto it, without having an own ID?
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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[englishrider91]

Also, Choice of Games has a lot of there games as iOS apps as well as versions 
made to be able to play in a web browser. Wow, I hope that made some sense.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Oct 8, 2015, at 10:34 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> MANY thanks! Where can I have a look at this? I mean, what's an exact URL?
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Devin Prater  <r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>
> To: Gamers Discussion list  <gamers@audyssey.org>
> Date: Thursday, October 8, 2015 5:21 pm
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Look up iOSEmus. You'll find things there that don't require the app store. 
>> They're not audio games, but that's just about all you can do.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2015, at 10:58 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> So in other words, I can't download an IOS app in any other ways but the 
>>> app store? As for trust, well, they know me well by now, they know I come 
>>> up with all sorts of weird work arounds.
>>> 
>>> Sent from a BrailleNote
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Dakotah Rickard <dakotah.rick...@gmail.com
>>> To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org
>>> Date sent: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 10:12:47 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>>> 
>>> Honestly, if your district has restricted it you're pretty much out of 
>>> luck.  You can't sideload apps on an apple device the same way you can on 
>>> an Android one.  Even if you had the app store icon (which you probably do 
>>> somewhere because there's no multi-user support as I know of), but even if 
>>> you had the icon, you'd need an ID and password.  That's just the plain 
>>> facts.
>>> Trying to get around that somehow might, possibly, work, depending on how 
>>> it's been restricted, but they'll know, and you'll probably lose the 
>>> device, and more importantly, their trust.
>>> 
>>> Signed:
>>> Dakotah Rickard
>>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2015, at 07:32, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> Let me just clear up something.  I did think about downloading things with 
>>> a PC, it would work, they couldn't tell, but no PC.  I have also thought of 
>>> making an ID, for things like IMessage and that, but not sure whether a 
>>> note taker could do it.  But back to the topic, I can't reformat it, it 
>>> wants a password.  Although, I'm not completely restricted, things could be 
>>> put onto it.  And I wouldn't lose anything, since I'm not putting anything 
>>> personal on it, because they can see it.  So I guess the question here is, 
>>> is there a way of getting games, without an ID?
>>> 
>>> Sent from a BrailleNote
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Shaun Everiss <sm.ever...@gmail.com
>>> To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org
>>> Date sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 00:11:12 +1300
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>>> 
>>> Hmmm thats a problem.
>>> So you can't have an app store.
>>> Hmmm, if you have a standard computer you can get an apple id, buy all
>>> the games you want and just put them via sync to your pad.
>>> Now obviously this being a maybe school system they may or may have ways
>>> to detect you doing this and it may not work.
>>> To be honest unless they have locked you out totally you could probably
>>> restore the thing from itunes even reformat the unit but I don't know if
>>> you will loose things.
>>> On some routers I got I got them from isps set up only for these isps.
>>> I was able to download the legal unlocked firmware and then was able to
>>> just install that and it was fully unlocked.
>>> I have had a situation where while a router was locked, that someone was
>>> able to hack into the system via telnet and make it do whatever but the
>>> unit was locked to web configuration.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/10/2015 9:15 p.m., rajmund wrote:
>>> Hello there,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my
>>> district, I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is
>>> there a way to get games onto it, without having an own ID?
>>> 
>>> Sent from a BrailleNote
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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Shaun Everiss]

Hmmm I wouldn't think so, yes you could make an new apple id.
Yes you could install it to your phone.
Yes you may get the app store back, but if its monitered well I don't know.
Yes you could kill that app but there is probably a chance if its 
tracked the app will reformat your phone, computer and all your hard 
drives and report the issue and you may get your device revoked.

My point is if its restricted its probably meant for this scenario.



On 8/10/2015 6:34 a.m., Rajmund wrote:

Hello, can you make an ID with something but Apple, download the game with 
something but apple, and then put it on apple? I'm mainly speaking about games 
here.

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From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"<gamers@audyssey.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?




No.  You must have an Apple account, including a password, and you must get
apps through the iTunes store.  This is to prevent piracy.

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To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?



Hello,
Let me just clear up something.  I did think about downloading things with
a PC, it would work, they couldn't tell, but no PC.  I have also thought
of making an ID, for things like IMessage and that, but not sure whether a
note taker could do it.  But back to the topic, I can't reformat it, it
wants a password.  Although, I'm not completely restricted, things could
be put onto it.  And I wouldn't lose anything, since I'm not putting
anything personal on it, because they can see it.  So I guess the question
here is, is there a way of getting games, without an ID?

Sent from a BrailleNote

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From: Shaun Everiss <sm.ever...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org
Date sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 00:11:12 +1300
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

Hmmm thats a problem.
So you can't have an app store.
Hmmm, if you have a standard computer you can get an apple id, buy all
the games you want and just put them via sync to your pad.
Now obviously this being a maybe school system they may or may have ways
to detect you doing this and it may not work.
To be honest unless they have locked you out totally you could probably
restore the thing from itunes even reformat the unit but I don't know if
you will loose things.
On some routers I got I got them from isps set up only for these isps.
I was able to download the legal unlocked firmware and then was able to
just install that and it was fully unlocked.
I have had a situation where while a router was locked, that someone was
able to hack into the system via telnet and make it do whatever but the
unit was locked to web configuration.



On 7/10/2015 9:15 p.m., rajmund wrote:
Hello there,


So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my
district, I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is
there a way to get games onto it, without having an own ID?

Sent from a BrailleNote

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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Shaun Everiss]

Well if your school is treated like a work network you may not be able 
to do this.
Now you may try to jailbreak your device and do it that way but if they 
are monitering that you may be revoked and loose that device.
I once did some schoolwork in a school teaching computers on a old style 
nt network with a strange configuration.

Due to restrictions half the sites were blocked for safety.
At the same time half the app portals were inaccessable.
This would be fine except that when I hit the report button the staff 
email profiles were left open and a few other things.

So ofcause they all opened.
Um, why the configuration was like that I will never know.
They then accused me of hacking their network and then fired me.
I told them about the issue but they said I hacked their network.
So even if I got back in they didn't want to address the issues stated 
and thus working there was another problem.

Another ting happened in university.
I could use one of their devices to load my screenreader of choice, 
sadly they only allowed jaws not anything else.

Anyway attempting to get my personal laptop got an interesting responce.
ALl software that came with the network was licenced for that exact 
number of machines.
To get my laptop to work, it would have to be reformatted and imaged as 
one of their units.

So what I am saying is this.
You may be at a brick wall buddy.
Treat your school as your office.
Would a business want you to play games and do what you wanted all day 
long with potential to slack off in work time and disrupt others, slow 
down the net taking bandwidth and not doing your job?

This is the way they will think.
And its not just people being assholes I have had instances in several 
work places where people spend the day on twitter, buying stuff, and 
looking at porn, cracks and other things not work.
In the worst case, a cleaner at my mum's work came to clean, her real 
wish was to use the net.
Her daughter was allowed access to quite a secure system to install her 
games, software and other junk.
I won't say what this was, but it was a medical type of business, and 
fully secured well should have been but thats not my business.

I don't know much over that but there was a problem.
I can imagine the potential for viruses, dammage reading/ deleting of 
personal info etc.
Not to mention that all those systems hooked up to the server which had 
access to everyone's home and other computer for work purposes.

It is unlikely you will be allowed that to go on.
if you can afford it you can buy your own device and then that will have 
app store on it.
If not, I guess if the game is of value to your job or for stress 
relieef etc maybe they will let you do that.
However don't expect them to allow you to install zombie's run, blind 
zombie, or any random game like that.

Maybe blind legond, maybe a sports game, not car racing.
Maybe puzzles, bopit, math and other games.
Your first port of call is to ask your administrators and tell them what 
you want and what you want to use etc.
No you won't get the app store and no you won't get everything you want 
but you won't know unless you try.
You probably keep your work and home devices seperate anyway even 
personal email can have a risk.




On 8/10/2015 4:58 a.m., rajmund wrote:

Hello,
So in other words, I can't download an IOS app in any other ways but the
app store? As for trust, well, they know me well by now, they know I
come up with all sorts of weird work arounds.

Sent from a BrailleNote

- Original Message -
From: Dakotah Rickard <dakotah.rick...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org
Date sent: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 10:12:47 -0400
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

Honestly, if your district has restricted it you're pretty much out of
luck.  You can't sideload apps on an apple device the same way you can
on an Android one.  Even if you had the app store icon (which you
probably do somewhere because there's no multi-user support as I know
of), but even if you had the icon, you'd need an ID and password.
That's just the plain facts.
Trying to get around that somehow might, possibly, work, depending on
how it's been restricted, but they'll know, and you'll probably lose the
device, and more importantly, their trust.

Signed:
Dakotah Rickard

On Oct 7, 2015, at 07:32, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,
Let me just clear up something.  I did think about downloading things
with a PC, it would work, they couldn't tell, but no PC. I have also
thought of making an ID, for things like IMessage and that, but not sure
whether a note taker could do it.  But back to the topic, I can't
reformat it, it wants a password.  Although, I'm not completely
restricted, things could be put onto it.  And I wouldn't lose anything,
since I'm not putting anything personal on it, because they can see it.
So I guess the question here is, is there a way of getting games,
without an ID?

Sent from a BrailleNote

- Orig

Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Shaun Everiss]

hmmm then the device is secured fully.
Look at my previous message, think of your education  place as a large 
company.

Read some articles on why a internet polocy is a good idea.
There have been many instances of people not doing work because they got 
to free with what they put on, causing dammage, etc.
Various people that have actually had copywrited info on their system, 
porn, child porn have got fired.
However that is not the end of that, any alegal activity or anything 
even if its inocent could really mash reputation of the organisation in 
question, you may get away with it, but someone will loose his head and 
if that happens you get more restrictions and other junk.
Also I know from things I have read and others telling me that on 
computers at work keyloggers, and other spyware is loaded on your system.
all your files, emails, passwords and all your personal info is logged 
and read.

So even the most experienced need to be carefull.
Companies do this to insure productivity  and to cover themselves incase 
something happens.

Now your apple game doesn't mean anything by itself.
But what happens if a virus manages to get in to a system somehow, or 
the system crashes or anything goes wrong, look at previous messages.

Questions will be asked how did that get started.
The first person for the chopper will be the person that isn't working, 
ie gaming, listening to youtube or viewing their twitter when they 
shouldn't be.

They will get it in the head and die! not good.
So in short you may not be able to play games on your work device.
And its unwize to do that anyway.
I have people that have 2 pyhones one for work which is loaded with 
trogens, viruses, spyware and other such things monitered and such.
And a home device which is for home and not to be used during work time 
really.

Its a pain but thats the way it is.
If you can afford it or get funding for your own device then thats fine 
they may or may not accept it.
However you most sertainly can not play your games during class and may 
only at breaks.
Then again there have been debaits over on news of making people 
socialise without devices and that means no devices at all in any school 
period.

You can ask, but you will need to approve everything before you do it.
Why is this needed is one of the questions you may get asked.
Games are generally not work related.
Your easiest bet is to get a device and well do it that way.
On the off chance and I am not sure how secure the account is locked as, 
but if you are able to somehow obtain the account username and password, 
load i9t on another device or computer, buy all the games you want then 
sync it all with the device you want in theory it should work.

Then again you may still get picked up.



On 8/10/2015 9:39 a.m., Rajmund wrote:

Hello,

District. Their ID is logged in, and I can apparently not log it out. The 
device is supposed to be for education, but I can't see myself writing 
assessments on the touch screen any time soon. Although, I agree, the rules are 
pretty messed up. HTH

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From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"  <gamers@audyssey.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 9:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?




The questions were very clearly asked.

1.  You say that you are not allowed to use the app store.  Who is not
allowing you to do so?

2.  How are you expected to get apps to make the iPad of more benefit to you
with this restriction in place?

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From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?



Hello,
What do you mean, exactly?

- Original Message -
From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:34 pm
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?




Who would put such a restriction on an iPad?  How can you get anything
without being allowed to use the source from which apps are gotten?

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To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 3:15 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] games for IOS?



Hello there,


So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my
district,
I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is there a
way
to get games onto it, without having an own ID?

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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Devin Prater]

Look up iOSEmus. You'll find things there that don't require the app store. 
They're not audio games, but that's just about all you can do.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 7, 2015, at 10:58 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> So in other words, I can't download an IOS app in any other ways but the app 
> store? As for trust, well, they know me well by now, they know I come up with 
> all sorts of weird work arounds.
> 
> Sent from a BrailleNote
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Dakotah Rickard <dakotah.rick...@gmail.com
> To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org
> Date sent: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 10:12:47 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
> 
> Honestly, if your district has restricted it you're pretty much out of luck.  
> You can't sideload apps on an apple device the same way you can on an Android 
> one.  Even if you had the app store icon (which you probably do somewhere 
> because there's no multi-user support as I know of), but even if you had the 
> icon, you'd need an ID and password.  That's just the plain facts.
> Trying to get around that somehow might, possibly, work, depending on how 
> it's been restricted, but they'll know, and you'll probably lose the device, 
> and more importantly, their trust.
> 
> Signed:
> Dakotah Rickard
> 
> On Oct 7, 2015, at 07:32, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Let me just clear up something.  I did think about downloading things with a 
> PC, it would work, they couldn't tell, but no PC.  I have also thought of 
> making an ID, for things like IMessage and that, but not sure whether a note 
> taker could do it.  But back to the topic, I can't reformat it, it wants a 
> password.  Although, I'm not completely restricted, things could be put onto 
> it.  And I wouldn't lose anything, since I'm not putting anything personal on 
> it, because they can see it.  So I guess the question here is, is there a way 
> of getting games, without an ID?
> 
> Sent from a BrailleNote
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Shaun Everiss <sm.ever...@gmail.com
> To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org
> Date sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 00:11:12 +1300
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
> 
> Hmmm thats a problem.
> So you can't have an app store.
> Hmmm, if you have a standard computer you can get an apple id, buy all
> the games you want and just put them via sync to your pad.
> Now obviously this being a maybe school system they may or may have ways
> to detect you doing this and it may not work.
> To be honest unless they have locked you out totally you could probably
> restore the thing from itunes even reformat the unit but I don't know if
> you will loose things.
> On some routers I got I got them from isps set up only for these isps.
> I was able to download the legal unlocked firmware and then was able to
> just install that and it was fully unlocked.
> I have had a situation where while a router was locked, that someone was
> able to hack into the system via telnet and make it do whatever but the
> unit was locked to web configuration.
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/10/2015 9:15 p.m., rajmund wrote:
> Hello there,
> 
> 
> So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my
> district, I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is
> there a way to get games onto it, without having an own ID?
> 
> Sent from a BrailleNote
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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Devin Prater]

Ah, I see what they did! Profiles! Yes, must be. o to settings, then general. 
Look there, and delete any profile that allows the deletion, then you can 
delete any others that don't let you delete them at first.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 7, 2015, at 4:37 PM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Sorry, I would take this of list, but not sur how with the I Pad,¥ht. S, 
> anyway, when you try that, it wants a pass key. As I have said, I don't think 
> I can do much aptthis point. Thanks for the help, though.
> 
> Sent from an  IPad
> 
>> On 7 Oct 2015, at 10:24 p.m., Josh K <joshknnd1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> just go into settings, and reset the entire device just tell it to wipe 
>> everything and then when it restarts turn on voiceover and put in your own 
>> apple ID.
>> 
>> follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982
>> 
>>> On 10/7/2015 4:39 PM, Rajmund wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> District. Their ID is logged in, and I can apparently not log it out. The 
>>> device is supposed to be for education, but I can't see myself writing 
>>> assessments on the touch screen any time soon. Although, I agree, the rules 
>>> are pretty messed up. HTH
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list"  <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 9:14 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The questions were very clearly asked.
>>>> 
>>>> 1.  You say that you are not allowed to use the app store.  Who is not
>>>> allowing you to do so?
>>>> 
>>>> 2.  How are you expected to get apps to make the iPad of more benefit to 
>>>> you
>>>> with this restriction in place?
>>>> 
>>>> ---
>>>> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're 
>>>> finished,
>>>> you! really! are! finished!
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 1:15 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> What do you mean, exactly?
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
>>>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>>>> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:34 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Who would put such a restriction on an iPad?  How can you get anything
>>>>>> without being allowed to use the source from which apps are gotten?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
>>>>>> finished,
>>>>>> you! really! are! finished!
>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>> From: "rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 3:15 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello there,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my
>>>>>>> district,
>>>>>>> I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is there a
>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>> to get games onto it, without having an own ID?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from a BrailleNote
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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Rajmund]

Hello,
MANY thanks! Where can I have a look at this? I mean, what's an exact URL?

- Original Message -
From: Devin Prater  <r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>
To: Gamers Discussion list  <gamers@audyssey.org>
Date: Thursday, October 8, 2015 5:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

>
>
> Look up iOSEmus. You'll find things there that don't require the app store. 
> They're not audio games, but that's just about all you can do.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Oct 7, 2015, at 10:58 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > So in other words, I can't download an IOS app in any other ways but the 
> > app store? As for trust, well, they know me well by now, they know I come 
> > up with all sorts of weird work arounds.
> > 
> > Sent from a BrailleNote
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Dakotah Rickard <dakotah.rick...@gmail.com
> > To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org
> > Date sent: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 10:12:47 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
> > 
> > Honestly, if your district has restricted it you're pretty much out of 
> > luck.  You can't sideload apps on an apple device the same way you can on 
> > an Android one.  Even if you had the app store icon (which you probably do 
> > somewhere because there's no multi-user support as I know of), but even if 
> > you had the icon, you'd need an ID and password.  That's just the plain 
> > facts.
> > Trying to get around that somehow might, possibly, work, depending on how 
> > it's been restricted, but they'll know, and you'll probably lose the 
> > device, and more importantly, their trust.
> > 
> > Signed:
> > Dakotah Rickard
> > 
> > On Oct 7, 2015, at 07:32, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > Let me just clear up something.  I did think about downloading things with 
> > a PC, it would work, they couldn't tell, but no PC.  I have also thought of 
> > making an ID, for things like IMessage and that, but not sure whether a 
> > note taker could do it.  But back to the topic, I can't reformat it, it 
> > wants a password.  Although, I'm not completely restricted, things could be 
> > put onto it.  And I wouldn't lose anything, since I'm not putting anything 
> > personal on it, because they can see it.  So I guess the question here is, 
> > is there a way of getting games, without an ID?
> > 
> > Sent from a BrailleNote
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Shaun Everiss <sm.ever...@gmail.com
> > To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org
> > Date sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 00:11:12 +1300
> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
> > 
> > Hmmm thats a problem.
> > So you can't have an app store.
> > Hmmm, if you have a standard computer you can get an apple id, buy all
> > the games you want and just put them via sync to your pad.
> > Now obviously this being a maybe school system they may or may have ways
> > to detect you doing this and it may not work.
> > To be honest unless they have locked you out totally you could probably
> > restore the thing from itunes even reformat the unit but I don't know if
> > you will loose things.
> > On some routers I got I got them from isps set up only for these isps.
> > I was able to download the legal unlocked firmware and then was able to
> > just install that and it was fully unlocked.
> > I have had a situation where while a router was locked, that someone was
> > able to hack into the system via telnet and make it do whatever but the
> > unit was locked to web configuration.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 7/10/2015 9:15 p.m., rajmund wrote:
> > Hello there,
> > 
> > 
> > So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my
> > district, I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is
> > there a way to get games onto it, without having an own ID?
> > 
> > Sent from a BrailleNote
> > 
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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Rajmund]

Hello Dark,
Thanks!! This is what I needed! Just one thing, I got the email to work. And I 
do intend on speaking with them, but I like  trying work arounds at first, so 
that it would be good for everyone, but unfortunately, I don't think that can 
be done here. 

- Original Message -
From: dark  <d...@xgam.org>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"  <gamers@audyssey.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 9:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

>
>
> Hi Rajmund.
> 
> What Charlese means is that basically when you use an Ios device everything! 
> has to go through apple ad through your id. Any ap you want to use uses it, 
> if you use the phone that uses it, I don't even believe you can use the mail 
> service on an Ios device without first having an apple id, it's a basic part 
> of the setup.
> This is just how Apple works. The bennifit is that as charlse says it avoids 
> piracy and makes it relatively easy once you have an Id to quickly find, 
> download and access games etc, (plus it makes lots of money for apple in the 
> process as main distributer).
> The problem is, as you see it's not particularly free to let you have the 
> complete choice as you do on Windows, indeed one reason why I do not use 
> Itunes sinse I hate the organization restrictions and lack of compatibility 
> with standard files and folders.
> 
> However to get any good out of the machine at all you really need an apple 
> id, even if you have no credit card or other payment information attached to 
> it and just access free content.
> 
> I'd suggest your best bet is to simply discuss this with your school or 
> whoever has given you the device, sinse without an id there really isn't 
> much good it can do you, even in terms of basically practical stuff.
> 
> Beware the grue!
> 
> Dark.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
> To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 7:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
> 
> 
> > Hello,
> > What do you mean, exactly?
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
> > Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:34 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Who would put such a restriction on an iPad?  How can you get anything
> >> without being allowed to use the source from which apps are gotten?
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're 
> >> finished,
> >> you! really! are! finished!
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: "rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 3:15 AM
> >> Subject: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hello there,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my 
> >> > district,
> >> > I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is there a 
> >> > way
> >> > to get games onto it, without having an own ID?
> >> >
> >> > Sent from a BrailleNote
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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[rajmund]

Hello,
Sorry, I would take this of list, but not sur how with the I Pad,¥ht. S, 
anyway, when you try that, it wants a pass key. As I have said, I don't think I 
can do much aptthis point. Thanks for the help, though.

Sent from an  IPad

> On 7 Oct 2015, at 10:24 p.m., Josh K <joshknnd1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> just go into settings, and reset the entire device just tell it to wipe 
> everything and then when it restarts turn on voiceover and put in your own 
> apple ID.
> 
> follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982
> 
>> On 10/7/2015 4:39 PM, Rajmund wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> District. Their ID is logged in, and I can apparently not log it out. The 
>> device is supposed to be for education, but I can't see myself writing 
>> assessments on the touch screen any time soon. Although, I agree, the rules 
>> are pretty messed up. HTH
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
>> To: "Gamers Discussion list"  <gamers@audyssey.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 9:14 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>> 
>>> 
>>> The questions were very clearly asked.
>>> 
>>> 1.  You say that you are not allowed to use the app store.  Who is not
>>> allowing you to do so?
>>> 
>>> 2.  How are you expected to get apps to make the iPad of more benefit to you
>>> with this restriction in place?
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
>>> you! really! are! finished!
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
>>> To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 1:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> What do you mean, exactly?
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
>>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:34 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Who would put such a restriction on an iPad?  How can you get anything
>>>>> without being allowed to use the source from which apps are gotten?
>>>>> 
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
>>>>> finished,
>>>>> you! really! are! finished!
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> From: "rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 3:15 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello there,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my
>>>>>> district,
>>>>>> I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is there a
>>>>>> way
>>>>>> to get games onto it, without having an own ID?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from a BrailleNote
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ---
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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Josh K]

just go into settings, and reset the entire device just tell it to wipe 
everything and then when it restarts turn on voiceover and put in your 
own apple ID.


follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 10/7/2015 4:39 PM, Rajmund wrote:

Hello,

District. Their ID is logged in, and I can apparently not log it out. The 
device is supposed to be for education, but I can't see myself writing 
assessments on the touch screen any time soon. Although, I agree, the rules are 
pretty messed up. HTH

- Original Message -
From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"  <gamers@audyssey.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 9:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?



The questions were very clearly asked.

1.  You say that you are not allowed to use the app store.  Who is not
allowing you to do so?

2.  How are you expected to get apps to make the iPad of more benefit to you
with this restriction in place?

---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?



Hello,
What do you mean, exactly?

- Original Message -
From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:34 pm
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?



Who would put such a restriction on an iPad?  How can you get anything
without being allowed to use the source from which apps are gotten?

---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
finished,
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 3:15 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] games for IOS?



Hello there,


So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my
district,
I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is there a
way
to get games onto it, without having an own ID?

Sent from a BrailleNote

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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[dark]

Hi Rajmund.

What Charlese means is that basically when you use an Ios device everything! 
has to go through apple ad through your id. Any ap you want to use uses it, 
if you use the phone that uses it, I don't even believe you can use the mail 
service on an Ios device without first having an apple id, it's a basic part 
of the setup.
This is just how Apple works. The bennifit is that as charlse says it avoids 
piracy and makes it relatively easy once you have an Id to quickly find, 
download and access games etc, (plus it makes lots of money for apple in the 
process as main distributer).
The problem is, as you see it's not particularly free to let you have the 
complete choice as you do on Windows, indeed one reason why I do not use 
Itunes sinse I hate the organization restrictions and lack of compatibility 
with standard files and folders.


However to get any good out of the machine at all you really need an apple 
id, even if you have no credit card or other payment information attached to 
it and just access free content.


I'd suggest your best bet is to simply discuss this with your school or 
whoever has given you the device, sinse without an id there really isn't 
much good it can do you, even in terms of basically practical stuff.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>

To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?



Hello,
What do you mean, exactly?

- Original Message -
From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:34 pm
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?




Who would put such a restriction on an iPad?  How can you get anything
without being allowed to use the source from which apps are gotten?

---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're 
finished,

you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - 
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>

To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 3:15 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] games for IOS?


> Hello there,
>
>
> So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my 
> district,
> I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is there a 
> way

> to get games onto it, without having an own ID?
>
> Sent from a BrailleNote
>
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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[rajmund]

Hello Dark,
LOL, that's a good question, actually. Do you mind if we get in touch off list, 
and I can tell you more about it, then?

Sent from an  IPad

> On 7 Oct 2015, at 9:55 p.m., dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm a little confused as to why you'd have an Ipad for education as you said, 
> sinse it's not really a writing device like a laptop.
> 
> if the id however is "locked in" as you put it" you might be able to log out 
> from that id and create a new one on the device, go to settings, and you 
> should find the option for apple id, see if you can log out from that id then 
> try to create a new one tied to your e-mail address.
> It shouldn't cause an issue so long as you don't actually pay any money and 
> there are several free games you could try,  actually also aps such as 
> blind square the satnav system and several other aides which are! far more 
> likely to help you with your education anyway.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Dark.
> - Original Message - From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
> To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 9:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
> 
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> District. Their ID is logged in, and I can apparently not log it out. The 
>> device is supposed to be for education, but I can't see myself writing 
>> assessments on the touch screen any time soon. Although, I agree, the rules 
>> are pretty messed up. HTH
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
>> To: "Gamers Discussion list"  <gamers@audyssey.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 9:14 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The questions were very clearly asked.
>>> 
>>> 1.  You say that you are not allowed to use the app store.  Who is not
>>> allowing you to do so?
>>> 
>>> 2.  How are you expected to get apps to make the iPad of more benefit to you
>>> with this restriction in place?
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
>>> you! really! are! finished!
>>> - Original Message - From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
>>> To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 1:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > Hello,
>>> > What do you mean, exactly?
>>> >
>>> > - Original Message -
>>> > From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
>>> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>> > Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:34 pm
>>> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Who would put such a restriction on an iPad?  How can you get anything
>>> >> without being allowed to use the source from which apps are gotten?
>>> >>
>>> >> ---
>>> >> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
>>> >> finished,
>>> >> you! really! are! finished!
>>> >> - Original Message - >> From: "rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
>>> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 3:15 AM
>>> >> Subject: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > Hello there,
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my
>>> >> > district,
>>> >> > I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is there 
>>> >> > >> > a
>>> >> > way
>>> >> > to get games onto it, without having an own ID?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Sent from a BrailleNote
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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Charles Rivard]

Even to access free apps and things, you do need an Apple ID, including a 
password, and you do, as far as I know, need to enter credit card info. 
Even if you buy nothing, this is a way of making sure that you do pay for 
paid apps.


Lastly, I refuse to beware the Grue.
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you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - 
From: "dark" <d...@xgam.org>

To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?



Hi Rajmund.

What Charlese means is that basically when you use an Ios device 
everything! has to go through apple ad through your id. Any ap you want to 
use uses it, if you use the phone that uses it, I don't even believe you 
can use the mail service on an Ios device without first having an apple 
id, it's a basic part of the setup.
This is just how Apple works. The bennifit is that as charlse says it 
avoids piracy and makes it relatively easy once you have an Id to quickly 
find, download and access games etc, (plus it makes lots of money for 
apple in the process as main distributer).
The problem is, as you see it's not particularly free to let you have the 
complete choice as you do on Windows, indeed one reason why I do not use 
Itunes sinse I hate the organization restrictions and lack of 
compatibility with standard files and folders.


However to get any good out of the machine at all you really need an apple 
id, even if you have no credit card or other payment information attached 
to it and just access free content.


I'd suggest your best bet is to simply discuss this with your school or 
whoever has given you the device, sinse without an id there really isn't 
much good it can do you, even in terms of basically practical stuff.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>

To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?



Hello,
What do you mean, exactly?

- Original Message -
From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:34 pm
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?




Who would put such a restriction on an iPad?  How can you get anything
without being allowed to use the source from which apps are gotten?

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finished,

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From: "rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>

To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 3:15 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] games for IOS?


> Hello there,
>
>
> So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my 
> district,
> I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is there a 
> way

> to get games onto it, without having an own ID?
>
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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Rajmund]

Hello,

District. Their ID is logged in, and I can apparently not log it out. The 
device is supposed to be for education, but I can't see myself writing 
assessments on the touch screen any time soon. Although, I agree, the rules are 
pretty messed up. HTH

- Original Message -
From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"  <gamers@audyssey.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 9:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

>
>
> The questions were very clearly asked.
> 
> 1.  You say that you are not allowed to use the app store.  Who is not 
> allowing you to do so?
> 
> 2.  How are you expected to get apps to make the iPad of more benefit to you 
> with this restriction in place?
> 
> ---
> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, 
> you! really! are! finished!
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
> To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
> 
> 
> > Hello,
> > What do you mean, exactly?
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
> > Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:34 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Who would put such a restriction on an iPad?  How can you get anything
> >> without being allowed to use the source from which apps are gotten?
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're 
> >> finished,
> >> you! really! are! finished!
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: "rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 3:15 AM
> >> Subject: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hello there,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my 
> >> > district,
> >> > I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is there a 
> >> > way
> >> > to get games onto it, without having an own ID?
> >> >
> >> > Sent from a BrailleNote
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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Charles Rivard]

I answered your questions in the very post that you just replied to, and so 
have other list members.  There is one answer, which will not change 
regardless of how many times you ask the same questions.  The answer is, and 
there is only one answer, which I will not repeat again.  N! O!


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- Original Message - 
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>

To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?


Hello, can you make an ID with something but Apple, download the game with 
something but apple, and then put it on apple? I'm mainly speaking about 
games here.


- Original Message -
From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"<gamers@audyssey.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?




No.  You must have an Apple account, including a password, and you must 
get

apps through the iTunes store.  This is to prevent piracy.

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From: "rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>

To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?


> Hello,
> Let me just clear up something.  I did think about downloading things 
> with
> a PC, it would work, they couldn't tell, but no PC.  I have also 
> thought
> of making an ID, for things like IMessage and that, but not sure 
> whether a

> note taker could do it.  But back to the topic, I can't reformat it, it
> wants a password.  Although, I'm not completely restricted, things 
> could

> be put onto it.  And I wouldn't lose anything, since I'm not putting
> anything personal on it, because they can see it.  So I guess the 
> question

> here is, is there a way of getting games, without an ID?
>
> Sent from a BrailleNote
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Shaun Everiss <sm.ever...@gmail.com
> To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org
> Date sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 00:11:12 +1300
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>
> Hmmm thats a problem.
> So you can't have an app store.
> Hmmm, if you have a standard computer you can get an apple id, buy all
> the games you want and just put them via sync to your pad.
> Now obviously this being a maybe school system they may or may have 
> ways

> to detect you doing this and it may not work.
> To be honest unless they have locked you out totally you could probably
> restore the thing from itunes even reformat the unit but I don't know 
> if

> you will loose things.
> On some routers I got I got them from isps set up only for these isps.
> I was able to download the legal unlocked firmware and then was able to
> just install that and it was fully unlocked.
> I have had a situation where while a router was locked, that someone 
> was

> able to hack into the system via telnet and make it do whatever but the
> unit was locked to web configuration.
>
>
>
> On 7/10/2015 9:15 p.m., rajmund wrote:
> Hello there,
>
>
> So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my
> district, I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store. 
> Is

> there a way to get games onto it, without having an own ID?
>
> Sent from a BrailleNote
>
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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Rajmund]

Hello,
Well, OK, thanks, all. Seems i'm stuck, at least until there's a work around. 
Once again, thanks.

- Original Message -
From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"  <gamers@audyssey.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 9:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

>
>
> I answered your questions in the very post that you just replied to, and so 
> have other list members.  There is one answer, which will not change 
> regardless of how many times you ask the same questions.  The answer is, and 
> there is only one answer, which I will not repeat again.  N! O!
> 
> ---
> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, 
> you! really! are! finished!
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
> To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 12:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
> 
> 
> > Hello, can you make an ID with something but Apple, download the game with 
> > something but apple, and then put it on apple? I'm mainly speaking about 
> > games here.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
> > To: "Gamers Discussion list"<gamers@audyssey.org>
> > Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:31 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> No.  You must have an Apple account, including a password, and you must 
> >> get
> >> apps through the iTunes store.  This is to prevent piracy.
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're 
> >> finished,
> >> you! really! are! finished!
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: "rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 6:32 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hello,
> >> > Let me just clear up something.  I did think about downloading things 
> >> > with
> >> > a PC, it would work, they couldn't tell, but no PC.  I have also 
> >> > thought
> >> > of making an ID, for things like IMessage and that, but not sure 
> >> > whether a
> >> > note taker could do it.  But back to the topic, I can't reformat it, it
> >> > wants a password.  Although, I'm not completely restricted, things 
> >> > could
> >> > be put onto it.  And I wouldn't lose anything, since I'm not putting
> >> > anything personal on it, because they can see it.  So I guess the 
> >> > question
> >> > here is, is there a way of getting games, without an ID?
> >> >
> >> > Sent from a BrailleNote
> >> >
> >> > - Original Message -
> >> > From: Shaun Everiss <sm.ever...@gmail.com
> >> > To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org
> >> > Date sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 00:11:12 +1300
> >> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
> >> >
> >> > Hmmm thats a problem.
> >> > So you can't have an app store.
> >> > Hmmm, if you have a standard computer you can get an apple id, buy all
> >> > the games you want and just put them via sync to your pad.
> >> > Now obviously this being a maybe school system they may or may have 
> >> > ways
> >> > to detect you doing this and it may not work.
> >> > To be honest unless they have locked you out totally you could probably
> >> > restore the thing from itunes even reformat the unit but I don't know 
> >> > if
> >> > you will loose things.
> >> > On some routers I got I got them from isps set up only for these isps.
> >> > I was able to download the legal unlocked firmware and then was able to
> >> > just install that and it was fully unlocked.
> >> > I have had a situation where while a router was locked, that someone 
> >> > was
> >> > able to hack into the system via telnet and make it do whatever but the
> >> > unit was locked to web configuration.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 7/10/2015 9:15 p.m., rajmund wrote:
> >> > Hello there,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my
> >> > district, I have certain restrict

Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[dark]

I'm a little confused as to why you'd have an Ipad for education as you 
said, sinse it's not really a writing device like a laptop.


if the id however is "locked in" as you put it" you might be able to log out 
from that id and create a new one on the device, go to settings, and you 
should find the option for apple id, see if you can log out from that id 
then try to create a new one tied to your e-mail address.
It shouldn't cause an issue so long as you don't actually pay any money and 
there are several free games you could try,  actually also aps such as 
blind square the satnav system and several other aides which are! far more 
likely to help you with your education anyway.


All the best,

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>

To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?



Hello,

District. Their ID is logged in, and I can apparently not log it out. The 
device is supposed to be for education, but I can't see myself writing 
assessments on the touch screen any time soon. Although, I agree, the 
rules are pretty messed up. HTH


- Original Message -
From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"  <gamers@audyssey.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 9:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?




The questions were very clearly asked.

1.  You say that you are not allowed to use the app store.  Who is not
allowing you to do so?

2.  How are you expected to get apps to make the iPad of more benefit to 
you

with this restriction in place?

---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're 
finished,

you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - 
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>

To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?


> Hello,
> What do you mean, exactly?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:34 pm
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>
>>
>>
>> Who would put such a restriction on an iPad?  How can you get anything
>> without being allowed to use the source from which apps are gotten?
>>
>> ---
>> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
>> finished,
>> you! really! are! finished!
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>

>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 3:15 AM
>> Subject: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>>
>>
>> > Hello there,
>> >
>> >
>> > So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my
>> > district,
>> > I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is there 
>> > a

>> > way
>> > to get games onto it, without having an own ID?
>> >
>> > Sent from a BrailleNote
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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Charles Rivard]

The questions were very clearly asked.

1.  You say that you are not allowed to use the app store.  Who is not 
allowing you to do so?


2.  How are you expected to get apps to make the iPad of more benefit to you 
with this restriction in place?


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To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?



Hello,
What do you mean, exactly?

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To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:34 pm
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?




Who would put such a restriction on an iPad?  How can you get anything
without being allowed to use the source from which apps are gotten?

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Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 3:15 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] games for IOS?


> Hello there,
>
>
> So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my 
> district,
> I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is there a 
> way

> to get games onto it, without having an own ID?
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[Audyssey] games for IOS?

[rajmund]

Hello there,


So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my 
district, I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app 
store.  Is there a way to get games onto it, without having an 
own ID?


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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Dakotah Rickard]

Wow.
Dumb system. Just saying. They have a pass code put on the device, but
obviously they didn't lock it with a pass code for day to day use, so
any shmuck who gets ahold of it can ... well, not really do very much
... but still. Sounds bleh.

On 10/7/15, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> Sorry, I would take this of list, but not sur how with the I Pad,¥ht. S,
> anyway, when you try that, it wants a pass key. As I have said, I don't
> think I can do much aptthis point. Thanks for the help, though.
>
> Sent from an  IPad
>
>> On 7 Oct 2015, at 10:24 p.m., Josh K <joshknnd1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> just go into settings, and reset the entire device just tell it to wipe
>> everything and then when it restarts turn on voiceover and put in your own
>> apple ID.
>>
>> follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982
>>
>>> On 10/7/2015 4:39 PM, Rajmund wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> District. Their ID is logged in, and I can apparently not log it out. The
>>> device is supposed to be for education, but I can't see myself writing
>>> assessments on the touch screen any time soon. Although, I agree, the
>>> rules are pretty messed up. HTH
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list"  <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 9:14 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The questions were very clearly asked.
>>>>
>>>> 1.  You say that you are not allowed to use the app store.  Who is not
>>>> allowing you to do so?
>>>>
>>>> 2.  How are you expected to get apps to make the iPad of more benefit to
>>>> you
>>>> with this restriction in place?
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
>>>> finished,
>>>> you! really! are! finished!
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 1:15 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> What do you mean, exactly?
>>>>>
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
>>>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>>>> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:34 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who would put such a restriction on an iPad?  How can you get anything
>>>>>> without being allowed to use the source from which apps are gotten?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
>>>>>> finished,
>>>>>> you! really! are! finished!
>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>> From: "rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 3:15 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello there,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my
>>>>>>> district,
>>>>>>> I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is there
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>> to get games onto it, without having an own ID?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from a BrailleNote
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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[rajmund]

Hello,
Let me just clear up something.  I did think about downloading 
things with a PC, it would work, they couldn't tell, but no PC.  
I have also thought of making an ID, for things like IMessage and 
that, but not sure whether a note taker could do it.  But back to 
the topic, I can't reformat it, it wants a password.  Although, 
I'm not completely restricted, things could be put onto it.  And 
I wouldn't lose anything, since I'm not putting anything personal 
on it, because they can see it.  So I guess the question here is, 
is there a way of getting games, without an ID?


Sent from a BrailleNote

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From: Shaun Everiss <sm.ever...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org
Date sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 00:11:12 +1300
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

Hmmm thats a problem.
So you can't have an app store.
Hmmm, if you have a standard computer you can get an apple id, 
buy all

the games you want and just put them via sync to your pad.
Now obviously this being a maybe school system they may or may 
have ways

to detect you doing this and it may not work.
To be honest unless they have locked you out totally you could 
probably
restore the thing from itunes even reformat the unit but I don't 
know if

you will loose things.
On some routers I got I got them from isps set up only for these 
isps.
I was able to download the legal unlocked firmware and then was 
able to

just install that and it was fully unlocked.
I have had a situation where while a router was locked, that 
someone was
able to hack into the system via telnet and make it do whatever 
but the

unit was locked to web configuration.



On 7/10/2015 9:15 p.m., rajmund wrote:
Hello there,


So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my
district, I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app 
store.  Is

there a way to get games onto it, without having an own ID?

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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Shaun Everiss]

Hmmm thats a problem.
So you can't have an app store.
Hmmm, if you have a standard computer you can get an apple id, buy all 
the games you want and just put them via sync to your pad.
Now obviously this being a maybe school system they may or may have ways 
to detect you doing this and it may not work.
To be honest unless they have locked you out totally you could probably 
restore the thing from itunes even reformat the unit but I don't know if 
you will loose things.

On some routers I got I got them from isps set up only for these isps.
I was able to download the legal unlocked firmware and then was able to 
just install that and it was fully unlocked.
I have had a situation where while a router was locked, that someone was 
able to hack into the system via telnet and make it do whatever but the 
unit was locked to web configuration.




On 7/10/2015 9:15 p.m., rajmund wrote:

Hello there,


So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my
district, I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is
there a way to get games onto it, without having an own ID?

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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Dakotah Rickard]

Honestly, if your district has restricted it you're pretty much out of luck. 
You can't sideload apps on an apple device the same way you can on an Android 
one. Even if you had the app store icon (which you probably do somewhere 
because there's no multi-user support as I know of), but even if you had the 
icon, you'd need an ID and password. That's just the plain facts.
Trying to get around that somehow might, possibly, work, depending on how it's 
been restricted, but they'll know, and you'll probably lose the device, and 
more importantly, their trust.

Signed:
Dakotah Rickard

> On Oct 7, 2015, at 07:32, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Let me just clear up something.  I did think about downloading things with a 
> PC, it would work, they couldn't tell, but no PC.  I have also thought of 
> making an ID, for things like IMessage and that, but not sure whether a note 
> taker could do it.  But back to the topic, I can't reformat it, it wants a 
> password.  Although, I'm not completely restricted, things could be put onto 
> it.  And I wouldn't lose anything, since I'm not putting anything personal on 
> it, because they can see it.  So I guess the question here is, is there a way 
> of getting games, without an ID?
> 
> Sent from a BrailleNote
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Shaun Everiss <sm.ever...@gmail.com
> To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org
> Date sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 00:11:12 +1300
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
> 
> Hmmm thats a problem.
> So you can't have an app store.
> Hmmm, if you have a standard computer you can get an apple id, buy all
> the games you want and just put them via sync to your pad.
> Now obviously this being a maybe school system they may or may have ways
> to detect you doing this and it may not work.
> To be honest unless they have locked you out totally you could probably
> restore the thing from itunes even reformat the unit but I don't know if
> you will loose things.
> On some routers I got I got them from isps set up only for these isps.
> I was able to download the legal unlocked firmware and then was able to
> just install that and it was fully unlocked.
> I have had a situation where while a router was locked, that someone was
> able to hack into the system via telnet and make it do whatever but the
> unit was locked to web configuration.
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/10/2015 9:15 p.m., rajmund wrote:
> Hello there,
> 
> 
> So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my
> district, I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is
> there a way to get games onto it, without having an own ID?
> 
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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Rajmund]

Hello, can you make an ID with something but Apple, download the game with 
something but apple, and then put it on apple? I'm mainly speaking about games 
here. 

- Original Message -
From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"<gamers@audyssey.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

>
>
> No.  You must have an Apple account, including a password, and you must get 
> apps through the iTunes store.  This is to prevent piracy.
> 
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 6:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
> 
> 
> > Hello,
> > Let me just clear up something.  I did think about downloading things with 
> > a PC, it would work, they couldn't tell, but no PC.  I have also thought 
> > of making an ID, for things like IMessage and that, but not sure whether a 
> > note taker could do it.  But back to the topic, I can't reformat it, it 
> > wants a password.  Although, I'm not completely restricted, things could 
> > be put onto it.  And I wouldn't lose anything, since I'm not putting 
> > anything personal on it, because they can see it.  So I guess the question 
> > here is, is there a way of getting games, without an ID?
> >
> > Sent from a BrailleNote
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Shaun Everiss <sm.ever...@gmail.com
> > To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org
> > Date sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 00:11:12 +1300
> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
> >
> > Hmmm thats a problem.
> > So you can't have an app store.
> > Hmmm, if you have a standard computer you can get an apple id, buy all
> > the games you want and just put them via sync to your pad.
> > Now obviously this being a maybe school system they may or may have ways
> > to detect you doing this and it may not work.
> > To be honest unless they have locked you out totally you could probably
> > restore the thing from itunes even reformat the unit but I don't know if
> > you will loose things.
> > On some routers I got I got them from isps set up only for these isps.
> > I was able to download the legal unlocked firmware and then was able to
> > just install that and it was fully unlocked.
> > I have had a situation where while a router was locked, that someone was
> > able to hack into the system via telnet and make it do whatever but the
> > unit was locked to web configuration.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/10/2015 9:15 p.m., rajmund wrote:
> > Hello there,
> >
> >
> > So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my
> > district, I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is
> > there a way to get games onto it, without having an own ID?
> >
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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Bryan Peterson]

No, no and no.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Rajmund

Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 11:34 AM
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

Hello, can you make an ID with something but Apple, download the game with 
something but apple, and then put it on apple? I'm mainly speaking about 
games here.


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From: Charles Rivard  <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"<gamers@audyssey.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?




No.  You must have an Apple account, including a password, and you must 
get

apps through the iTunes store.  This is to prevent piracy.

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From: "rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>

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Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?


> Hello,
> Let me just clear up something.  I did think about downloading things 
> with

> a PC, it would work, they couldn't tell, but no PC.  I have also thought
> of making an ID, for things like IMessage and that, but not sure whether 
> a

> note taker could do it.  But back to the topic, I can't reformat it, it
> wants a password.  Although, I'm not completely restricted, things could
> be put onto it.  And I wouldn't lose anything, since I'm not putting
> anything personal on it, because they can see it.  So I guess the 
> question

> here is, is there a way of getting games, without an ID?
>
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> - Original Message -
> From: Shaun Everiss <sm.ever...@gmail.com
> To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org
> Date sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 00:11:12 +1300
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
>
> Hmmm thats a problem.
> So you can't have an app store.
> Hmmm, if you have a standard computer you can get an apple id, buy all
> the games you want and just put them via sync to your pad.
> Now obviously this being a maybe school system they may or may have ways
> to detect you doing this and it may not work.
> To be honest unless they have locked you out totally you could probably
> restore the thing from itunes even reformat the unit but I don't know if
> you will loose things.
> On some routers I got I got them from isps set up only for these isps.
> I was able to download the legal unlocked firmware and then was able to
> just install that and it was fully unlocked.
> I have had a situation where while a router was locked, that someone was
> able to hack into the system via telnet and make it do whatever but the
> unit was locked to web configuration.
>
>
>
> On 7/10/2015 9:15 p.m., rajmund wrote:
> Hello there,
>
>
> So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my
> district, I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is
> there a way to get games onto it, without having an own ID?
>
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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Charles Rivard]

Who would put such a restriction on an iPad?  How can you get anything 
without being allowed to use the source from which apps are gotten?


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Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 3:15 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] games for IOS?



Hello there,


So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my district, 
I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is there a way 
to get games onto it, without having an own ID?


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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[rajmund]

Hello,
So in other words, I can't download an IOS app in any other ways 
but the app store? As for trust, well, they know me well by now, 
they know I come up with all sorts of weird work arounds.


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From: Dakotah Rickard <dakotah.rick...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org
Date sent: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 10:12:47 -0400
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

Honestly, if your district has restricted it you're pretty much 
out of luck.  You can't sideload apps on an apple device the same 
way you can on an Android one.  Even if you had the app store 
icon (which you probably do somewhere because there's no 
multi-user support as I know of), but even if you had the icon, 
you'd need an ID and password.  That's just the plain facts.
Trying to get around that somehow might, possibly, work, 
depending on how it's been restricted, but they'll know, and 
you'll probably lose the device, and more importantly, their 
trust.


Signed:
Dakotah Rickard

On Oct 7, 2015, at 07:32, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


Hello,
Let me just clear up something.  I did think about downloading 
things with a PC, it would work, they couldn't tell, but no PC.  
I have also thought of making an ID, for things like IMessage and 
that, but not sure whether a note taker could do it.  But back to 
the topic, I can't reformat it, it wants a password.  Although, 
I'm not completely restricted, things could be put onto it.  And 
I wouldn't lose anything, since I'm not putting anything personal 
on it, because they can see it.  So I guess the question here is, 
is there a way of getting games, without an ID?


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- Original Message -
From: Shaun Everiss <sm.ever...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org
Date sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 00:11:12 +1300
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

Hmmm thats a problem.
So you can't have an app store.
Hmmm, if you have a standard computer you can get an apple id, 
buy all

the games you want and just put them via sync to your pad.
Now obviously this being a maybe school system they may or may 
have ways

to detect you doing this and it may not work.
To be honest unless they have locked you out totally you could 
probably
restore the thing from itunes even reformat the unit but I don't 
know if

you will loose things.
On some routers I got I got them from isps set up only for these 
isps.
I was able to download the legal unlocked firmware and then was 
able to

just install that and it was fully unlocked.
I have had a situation where while a router was locked, that 
someone was
able to hack into the system via telnet and make it do whatever 
but the

unit was locked to web configuration.



On 7/10/2015 9:15 p.m., rajmund wrote:
Hello there,


So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my
district, I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app 
store.  Is

there a way to get games onto it, without having an own ID?

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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Charles Rivard]

No.  You must have an Apple account, including a password, and you must get 
apps through the iTunes store.  This is to prevent piracy.


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From: "rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>

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Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?



Hello,
Let me just clear up something.  I did think about downloading things with 
a PC, it would work, they couldn't tell, but no PC.  I have also thought 
of making an ID, for things like IMessage and that, but not sure whether a 
note taker could do it.  But back to the topic, I can't reformat it, it 
wants a password.  Although, I'm not completely restricted, things could 
be put onto it.  And I wouldn't lose anything, since I'm not putting 
anything personal on it, because they can see it.  So I guess the question 
here is, is there a way of getting games, without an ID?


Sent from a BrailleNote

- Original Message -
From: Shaun Everiss <sm.ever...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org
Date sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 00:11:12 +1300
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

Hmmm thats a problem.
So you can't have an app store.
Hmmm, if you have a standard computer you can get an apple id, buy all
the games you want and just put them via sync to your pad.
Now obviously this being a maybe school system they may or may have ways
to detect you doing this and it may not work.
To be honest unless they have locked you out totally you could probably
restore the thing from itunes even reformat the unit but I don't know if
you will loose things.
On some routers I got I got them from isps set up only for these isps.
I was able to download the legal unlocked firmware and then was able to
just install that and it was fully unlocked.
I have had a situation where while a router was locked, that someone was
able to hack into the system via telnet and make it do whatever but the
unit was locked to web configuration.



On 7/10/2015 9:15 p.m., rajmund wrote:
Hello there,


So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my
district, I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is
there a way to get games onto it, without having an own ID?

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Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

[Rajmund]

Hello,
What do you mean, exactly?

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To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:34 pm
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games for IOS?

>
>
> Who would put such a restriction on an iPad?  How can you get anything 
> without being allowed to use the source from which apps are gotten?
> 
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> - Original Message - 
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> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 3:15 AM
> Subject: [Audyssey] games for IOS?
> 
> 
> > Hello there,
> >
> >
> > So, I have recently got an IPad.  Because the device is from my district, 
> > I have certain restrictions.  One of them is no app store.  Is there a way 
> > to get games onto it, without having an own ID?
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Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

[loriduncan]

Thanks Sean, I'll certainlly think about it, though I've never used those 
units before.


-Original Message- 
From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 4:31 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Well I still recomend you get a searge box or 2 and at least one ups unitt.
Also with electronics please stay away from the cheap 10 dollar chinese
boards they may have protection but they can blow at any time.
I was doodling round ages before I got the current power box though I
had the rest of the units, both were old ones dad was given at a course.
However I was working not backing up, and the entire system died thank
god I had a laptop.
shaking the board heard it rattle and it was dead.
The only thing you may have some issue and the need of sight for will be
the initial configuration of the ups system, I have a couple eatons and
they need updates and such its quite visual to install, uninstall and
configure the interfaces though thank god that its semi hit and miss.
once the interfaces are configured and things work then it is not a big
issue just leave them running and they in theory should work.
Though the notifications for both units do not previde access the tray
notifications do read with normal text messages.
Even if you don't plug the units in, they should just run fine.



On 2/10/2015 6:37 p.m., loriduncan wrote:

Hi thanks Sean, but I have both games working now, deleting the
progress.ini file worked a treat, and Aprone has fixed the problem I was
having with my Swamp account.  Yaye Aprone!  :)

-Original Message- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 3:34 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Well yeah if you do have a powercut most likely you may have fried
something.
if things do not work maybe a good reformat will work.
Seriously if you can afford it especially if you have a desktop get a ups.
I have a couple.
if you are a laptop user try to cycle your battery every couple months
and buy an extra.
To be honest, having a ups even though that cost me 70 bucks each has
saved my ass many times.
Another thing I'd get is a serge board that can fit 6 units in, and get
as many as there are electronic devices in them.
Yes they are 30 bucks or so, yes they cost but again they will save your
ass and I can vouch for  both bits of kit.
Remember to change your ups battery every couple years or so and to have
a spare just in case you forget else things will not work well for you.
I had a cheap powerstrip bust on me all of a sudden once.
and I have friends in lightning strike zones.
If the power goes off, if the thing powers up it may be corrupted and we
would reformat, works every time.
However more than not, you wouldn't get anything and have to replace the
power supply and ram chips or worse.
This would probably be a good time to tell all well remind all to have
good serge protection tech.
An ups or 2 a serge box and a power board or 2 would be ideal.
Failing that, at minimum, a serge board that allows 2 plugs for the
power strips and or plugs with auto powercut offs for each unit.
And if not, make sure you have 2 backup hdds at least and make sure one
of them is always as updated as it can be and keep it offline maybe
stored away but close enough for you to get it.



On 2/10/2015 2:44 a.m., john wrote:

If the problem is occurring only after you killed power to the machine
(I'm
presuming you didn't go through windows to shut down) then the power loss
may have corrupted files, in which case just replacing them will do the
trick.
In future, if your screen reader starts misbehaving, try the following:
press windows r, type cmd, and hit enter.
type:
taskkill /f /im jfw.exe
or
taskkill /f /im nvda.exe
and then reload the screen reader as normal.

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Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 9:16
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Hi yes, I've tried all the obvious stuff to fix the problem, and am
actually
wondering if something is wrong at Aprone's end, as it was the online
game
I'd been playing, and my jaws had frozen so I had to exit the game and
shut
down my laptop them re-boot it, and that's when I started getting that
error.

I'll give the installer another shot though.

From Lori.


-Original Message-
From: john
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 1:26 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

In homage to IT people all around the world... have you rebooted?
Other possibilities:
If you can, try castaways on another machine?
Either that, or just redownload it and see if that fixes the issue;
something may have been corrupted or missing.
I've got nothing for swamp, sorry.


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Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Devin,

It is true that the language Aprone uses, VB 6, is getting a bit old
and has some problems but that wasn't the root of Lori's problem. All
that she had to do was delete an ini file and that solved her problem
with Castaways.

So, yeah, Shaun's advice was major overkill and in my opinion
superfluous. He has a tendency to exaggerate and go to extremes when
it comes to fixing small problems. I can not tell you how many times I
have read posts similar to the one below where the problem was easy to
solve but Sean's solution was reformat and reinstall everything from
scratch plus one or two other pieces of technical advice that has
nothing to do with the situation at hand he pulls out of his rear.


On 10/3/15, Devin Prater  wrote:
> Wow, all that for a game. Useful, but not exactly for this situation. I've
> heard that the language Aprone programs in is a bit old, and that causes
> problems with newer systems.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 9:34 PM, Shaun Everiss  wrote:
>>
>> Well yeah if you do have a powercut most likely you may have fried
>> something.
>> if things do not work maybe a good reformat will work.
>> Seriously if you can afford it especially if you have a desktop get a
>> ups.
>> I have a couple.
>> if you are a laptop user try to cycle your battery every couple months and
>> buy an extra.
>> To be honest, having a ups even though that cost me 70 bucks each has
>> saved my ass many times.
>> Another thing I'd get is a serge board that can fit 6 units in, and get as
>> many as there are electronic devices in them.
>> Yes they are 30 bucks or so, yes they cost but again they will save your
>> ass and I can vouch for  both bits of kit.
>> Remember to change your ups battery every couple years or so and to have a
>> spare just in case you forget else things will not work well for you.
>> I had a cheap powerstrip bust on me all of a sudden once.
>> and I have friends in lightning strike zones.
>> If the power goes off, if the thing powers up it may be corrupted and we
>> would reformat, works every time.
>> However more than not, you wouldn't get anything and have to replace the
>> power supply and ram chips or worse.
>> This would probably be a good time to tell all well remind all to have
>> good serge protection tech.
>> An ups or 2 a serge box and a power board or 2 would be ideal.
>> Failing that, at minimum, a serge board that allows 2 plugs for the power
>> strips and or plugs with auto powercut offs for each unit.
>> And if not, make sure you have 2 backup hdds at least and make sure one of
>> them is always as updated as it can be and keep it offline maybe stored
>> away but close enough for you to get it.
>>

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Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

[Devin Prater]

Wow, all that for a game. Useful, but not exactly for this situation. I've 
heard that the language Aprone programs in is a bit old, and that causes 
problems with newer systems.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2015, at 9:34 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.ever...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well yeah if you do have a powercut most likely you may have fried something.
> if things do not work maybe a good reformat will work.
> Seriously if you can afford it especially if you have a desktop get a ups.
> I have a couple.
> if you are a laptop user try to cycle your battery every couple months and 
> buy an extra.
> To be honest, having a ups even though that cost me 70 bucks each has saved 
> my ass many times.
> Another thing I'd get is a serge board that can fit 6 units in, and get as 
> many as there are electronic devices in them.
> Yes they are 30 bucks or so, yes they cost but again they will save your ass 
> and I can vouch for  both bits of kit.
> Remember to change your ups battery every couple years or so and to have a 
> spare just in case you forget else things will not work well for you.
> I had a cheap powerstrip bust on me all of a sudden once.
> and I have friends in lightning strike zones.
> If the power goes off, if the thing powers up it may be corrupted and we 
> would reformat, works every time.
> However more than not, you wouldn't get anything and have to replace the 
> power supply and ram chips or worse.
> This would probably be a good time to tell all well remind all to have good 
> serge protection tech.
> An ups or 2 a serge box and a power board or 2 would be ideal.
> Failing that, at minimum, a serge board that allows 2 plugs for the power 
> strips and or plugs with auto powercut offs for each unit.
> And if not, make sure you have 2 backup hdds at least and make sure one of 
> them is always as updated as it can be and keep it offline maybe stored away 
> but close enough for you to get it.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2/10/2015 2:44 a.m., john wrote:
>> If the problem is occurring only after you killed power to the machine (I'm
>> presuming you didn't go through windows to shut down) then the power loss
>> may have corrupted files, in which case just replacing them will do the
>> trick.
>> In future, if your screen reader starts misbehaving, try the following:
>> press windows r, type cmd, and hit enter.
>> type:
>> taskkill /f /im jfw.exe
>> or
>> taskkill /f /im nvda.exe
>> and then reload the screen reader as normal.
>> 
>> ------
>> From: "loriduncan" <lori_dunca...@hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 9:16
>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me
>> 
>> Hi yes, I've tried all the obvious stuff to fix the problem, and am actually
>> wondering if something is wrong at Aprone's end, as it was the online game
>> I'd been playing, and my jaws had frozen so I had to exit the game and shut
>> down my laptop them re-boot it, and that's when I started getting that
>> error.
>> 
>> I'll give the installer another shot though.
>>> From Lori.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: john
>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 1:26 PM
>> To: Gamers Discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me
>> 
>> In homage to IT people all around the world... have you rebooted?
>> Other possibilities:
>> If you can, try castaways on another machine?
>> Either that, or just redownload it and see if that fixes the issue;
>> something may have been corrupted or missing.
>> I've got nothing for swamp, sorry.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> From: "loriduncan" <lori_dunca...@hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 4:54
>> To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
>> Subject: [Audyssey] games turning against me
>> 
>> Hi everyone, it seems Aprone's games have turned against me.  I tried to log
>> into Swamp, but was told it had failled because my account needed renewing,
>> despite the fact that I'd renewed it a few months a go.  I then tried to
>> load up castaways, but got the following error:
>> ---
>> Castaways
>> ---
>> Run-time error '52':
>> 
>> Bad file name or number
>> ---
>> OK
>> ---
>> I've ran the checkup.exe file in the castaways folder, but it's not done
>> anything.  It's really frustrating having Swamp so laggy, then casta

Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

[john]

A hearty "seconded!" from me.
I hadn't read the initial post until now, but reformatting is not something 
that should be advocated unless there are absolutely no other options 
available, and IMO mentioning it in this circumstance does quite a bit more 
harm than good due to the loss of everything else on the machine. Please 
consider what it is you're actually recommending before you post something 
like that - the last thing somebody needs is to take your advice and lose 
all their valuable information.

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From: "Thomas Ward" <thomasward1...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 19:20
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Shaun,

Honestly, can you please stop dispensing tech advice on this list. The
reason being often your advice is overkill, doesn't address the
specific problem the person has, and sometimes makes you look and
sound like a fool at the same time.

Reason being is Lori had a simple question about Swamp and Castaways
that Aprone thankfully answered promptly. However, your advice was to
get a serge protector and a UPS unit, which is good general advice,
but has nothing to do with answering Lori's question. In the previous
message before that you suggested maybe a reformat would work. That's
just poor tech advice and if you do not have any other advice other
than someone should "reformat their computer" it really says how
clueless you really are.

Point being as a moderator and a fairly technically minded person I'm
putting you on notice if you continue to freely dispense poor and
superfluous tech advice you pull out of your backside I'm strongly
considering booting you from the list.

Cheers!


On 10/2/15, Shaun Everiss <sm.ever...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well I still recomend you get a searge box or 2 and at least one ups 
> unitt.
> Also with electronics please stay away from the cheap 10 dollar chinese
> boards they may have protection but they can blow at any time.
> I was doodling round ages before I got the current power box though I
> had the rest of the units, both were old ones dad was given at a course.
> However I was working not backing up, and the entire system died thank
> god I had a laptop.
> shaking the board heard it rattle and it was dead.
> The only thing you may have some issue and the need of sight for will be
> the initial configuration of the ups system, I have a couple eatons and
> they need updates and such its quite visual to install, uninstall and
> configure the interfaces though thank god that its semi hit and miss.
> once the interfaces are configured and things work then it is not a big
> issue just leave them running and they in theory should work.
> Though the notifications for both units do not previde access the tray
> notifications do read with normal text messages.
> Even if you don't plug the units in, they should just run fine.
>

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Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

[Thomas Ward]

Shaun,

Honestly, can you please stop dispensing tech advice on this list. The
reason being often your advice is overkill, doesn't address the
specific problem the person has, and sometimes makes you look and
sound like a fool at the same time.

Reason being is Lori had a simple question about Swamp and Castaways
that Aprone thankfully answered promptly. However, your advice was to
get a serge protector and a UPS unit, which is good general advice,
but has nothing to do with answering Lori's question. In the previous
message before that you suggested maybe a reformat would work. That's
just poor tech advice and if you do not have any other advice other
than someone should "reformat their computer" it really says how
clueless you really are.

Point being as a moderator and a fairly technically minded person I'm
putting you on notice if you continue to freely dispense poor and
superfluous tech advice you pull out of your backside I'm strongly
considering booting you from the list.

Cheers!


On 10/2/15, Shaun Everiss  wrote:
> Well I still recomend you get a searge box or 2 and at least one ups unitt.
> Also with electronics please stay away from the cheap 10 dollar chinese
> boards they may have protection but they can blow at any time.
> I was doodling round ages before I got the current power box though I
> had the rest of the units, both were old ones dad was given at a course.
> However I was working not backing up, and the entire system died thank
> god I had a laptop.
> shaking the board heard it rattle and it was dead.
> The only thing you may have some issue and the need of sight for will be
> the initial configuration of the ups system, I have a couple eatons and
> they need updates and such its quite visual to install, uninstall and
> configure the interfaces though thank god that its semi hit and miss.
> once the interfaces are configured and things work then it is not a big
> issue just leave them running and they in theory should work.
> Though the notifications for both units do not previde access the tray
> notifications do read with normal text messages.
> Even if you don't plug the units in, they should just run fine.
>

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Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

[Shaun Everiss]

Well I still recomend you get a searge box or 2 and at least one ups unitt.
Also with electronics please stay away from the cheap 10 dollar chinese 
boards they may have protection but they can blow at any time.
I was doodling round ages before I got the current power box though I 
had the rest of the units, both were old ones dad was given at a course.
However I was working not backing up, and the entire system died thank 
god I had a laptop.

shaking the board heard it rattle and it was dead.
The only thing you may have some issue and the need of sight for will be 
the initial configuration of the ups system, I have a couple eatons and 
they need updates and such its quite visual to install, uninstall and 
configure the interfaces though thank god that its semi hit and miss.
once the interfaces are configured and things work then it is not a big 
issue just leave them running and they in theory should work.
Though the notifications for both units do not previde access the tray 
notifications do read with normal text messages.

Even if you don't plug the units in, they should just run fine.



On 2/10/2015 6:37 p.m., loriduncan wrote:

Hi thanks Sean, but I have both games working now, deleting the
progress.ini file worked a treat, and Aprone has fixed the problem I was
having with my Swamp account.  Yaye Aprone!  :)

-Original Message- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 3:34 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Well yeah if you do have a powercut most likely you may have fried
something.
if things do not work maybe a good reformat will work.
Seriously if you can afford it especially if you have a desktop get a ups.
I have a couple.
if you are a laptop user try to cycle your battery every couple months
and buy an extra.
To be honest, having a ups even though that cost me 70 bucks each has
saved my ass many times.
Another thing I'd get is a serge board that can fit 6 units in, and get
as many as there are electronic devices in them.
Yes they are 30 bucks or so, yes they cost but again they will save your
ass and I can vouch for  both bits of kit.
Remember to change your ups battery every couple years or so and to have
a spare just in case you forget else things will not work well for you.
I had a cheap powerstrip bust on me all of a sudden once.
and I have friends in lightning strike zones.
If the power goes off, if the thing powers up it may be corrupted and we
would reformat, works every time.
However more than not, you wouldn't get anything and have to replace the
power supply and ram chips or worse.
This would probably be a good time to tell all well remind all to have
good serge protection tech.
An ups or 2 a serge box and a power board or 2 would be ideal.
Failing that, at minimum, a serge board that allows 2 plugs for the
power strips and or plugs with auto powercut offs for each unit.
And if not, make sure you have 2 backup hdds at least and make sure one
of them is always as updated as it can be and keep it offline maybe
stored away but close enough for you to get it.



On 2/10/2015 2:44 a.m., john wrote:

If the problem is occurring only after you killed power to the machine
(I'm
presuming you didn't go through windows to shut down) then the power loss
may have corrupted files, in which case just replacing them will do the
trick.
In future, if your screen reader starts misbehaving, try the following:
press windows r, type cmd, and hit enter.
type:
taskkill /f /im jfw.exe
or
taskkill /f /im nvda.exe
and then reload the screen reader as normal.

--
From: "loriduncan" <lori_dunca...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 9:16
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Hi yes, I've tried all the obvious stuff to fix the problem, and am
actually
wondering if something is wrong at Aprone's end, as it was the online
game
I'd been playing, and my jaws had frozen so I had to exit the game and
shut
down my laptop them re-boot it, and that's when I started getting that
error.

I'll give the installer another shot though.

From Lori.


-Original Message-
From: john
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 1:26 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

In homage to IT people all around the world... have you rebooted?
Other possibilities:
If you can, try castaways on another machine?
Either that, or just redownload it and see if that fixes the issue;
something may have been corrupted or missing.
I've got nothing for swamp, sorry.


--
From: "loriduncan" <lori_dunca...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 4:54
To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Hi everyone, it seems Aprone's games have turned against me.  I tried
to log
into Swamp, but was told it h

Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

[loriduncan]

Hi yes, I've tried all the obvious stuff to fix the problem, and am actually 
wondering if something is wrong at Aprone's end, as it was the online game 
I'd been playing, and my jaws had frozen so I had to exit the game and shut 
down my laptop them re-boot it, and that's when I started getting that 
error.


I'll give the installer another shot though.

From Lori.


-Original Message- 
From: john

Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 1:26 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

In homage to IT people all around the world... have you rebooted?
Other possibilities:
If you can, try castaways on another machine?
Either that, or just redownload it and see if that fixes the issue;
something may have been corrupted or missing.
I've got nothing for swamp, sorry.


--
From: "loriduncan" <lori_dunca...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 4:54
To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Hi everyone, it seems Aprone's games have turned against me.  I tried to log
into Swamp, but was told it had failled because my account needed renewing,
despite the fact that I'd renewed it a few months a go.  I then tried to
load up castaways, but got the following error:
---
Castaways
---
Run-time error '52':

Bad file name or number
---
OK
---
I've ran the checkup.exe file in the castaways folder, but it's not done
anything.  It's really frustrating having Swamp so laggy, then castaways not
responding suddenly.
I'm not sure what to do about that runtime error and would be glad of any
help.  Thanks from Lori.


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Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

[john]

In homage to IT people all around the world... have you rebooted?
Other possibilities:
If you can, try castaways on another machine?
Either that, or just redownload it and see if that fixes the issue; 
something may have been corrupted or missing.
I've got nothing for swamp, sorry.


--
From: "loriduncan" <lori_dunca...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 4:54
To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Hi everyone, it seems Aprone's games have turned against me.  I tried to log
into Swamp, but was told it had failled because my account needed renewing,
despite the fact that I'd renewed it a few months a go.  I then tried to
load up castaways, but got the following error:
---
Castaways
---
Run-time error '52':

Bad file name or number
---
OK
---
I've ran the checkup.exe file in the castaways folder, but it's not done
anything.  It's really frustrating having Swamp so laggy, then castaways not
responding suddenly.
I'm not sure what to do about that runtime error and would be glad of any
help.  Thanks from Lori.


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Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

[john]

Try extracting the archive to a completely different folder, and start with 
nothing but the default settings.
If you use your current folder, some files will remain from the old version, 
and may be part of your problem.
Can you run any of Aprone's other games? Run in this case means load without 
an error, not necessarily play.

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From: "loriduncan" <lori_dunca...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 10:09
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Hi I've tried re-installing castaways, but with no luck, I'm still getting
that error even with the files being replaced.

-Original Message- 
From: john
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 2:44 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

If the problem is occurring only after you killed power to the machine (I'm
presuming you didn't go through windows to shut down) then the power loss
may have corrupted files, in which case just replacing them will do the
trick.
In future, if your screen reader starts misbehaving, try the following:
press windows r, type cmd, and hit enter.
type:
taskkill /f /im jfw.exe
or
taskkill /f /im nvda.exe
and then reload the screen reader as normal.

--
From: "loriduncan" <lori_dunca...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 9:16
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Hi yes, I've tried all the obvious stuff to fix the problem, and am actually
wondering if something is wrong at Aprone's end, as it was the online game
I'd been playing, and my jaws had frozen so I had to exit the game and shut
down my laptop them re-boot it, and that's when I started getting that
error.

I'll give the installer another shot though.
>From Lori.

-Original Message- 
From: john
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 1:26 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

In homage to IT people all around the world... have you rebooted?
Other possibilities:
If you can, try castaways on another machine?
Either that, or just redownload it and see if that fixes the issue;
something may have been corrupted or missing.
I've got nothing for swamp, sorry.


--
From: "loriduncan" <lori_dunca...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 4:54
To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Hi everyone, it seems Aprone's games have turned against me.  I tried to log
into Swamp, but was told it had failled because my account needed renewing,
despite the fact that I'd renewed it a few months a go.  I then tried to
load up castaways, but got the following error:
---
Castaways
---
Run-time error '52':

Bad file name or number
---
OK
---
I've ran the checkup.exe file in the castaways folder, but it's not done
anything.  It's really frustrating having Swamp so laggy, then castaways not
responding suddenly.
I'm not sure what to do about that runtime error and would be glad of any
help.  Thanks from Lori.


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Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

[john]

If the problem is occurring only after you killed power to the machine (I'm 
presuming you didn't go through windows to shut down) then the power loss 
may have corrupted files, in which case just replacing them will do the 
trick.
In future, if your screen reader starts misbehaving, try the following:
press windows r, type cmd, and hit enter.
type:
taskkill /f /im jfw.exe
or
taskkill /f /im nvda.exe
and then reload the screen reader as normal.

--
From: "loriduncan" <lori_dunca...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 9:16
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Hi yes, I've tried all the obvious stuff to fix the problem, and am actually
wondering if something is wrong at Aprone's end, as it was the online game
I'd been playing, and my jaws had frozen so I had to exit the game and shut
down my laptop them re-boot it, and that's when I started getting that
error.

I'll give the installer another shot though.
>From Lori.

-Original Message- 
From: john
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 1:26 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

In homage to IT people all around the world... have you rebooted?
Other possibilities:
If you can, try castaways on another machine?
Either that, or just redownload it and see if that fixes the issue;
something may have been corrupted or missing.
I've got nothing for swamp, sorry.


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From: "loriduncan" <lori_dunca...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 4:54
To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Hi everyone, it seems Aprone's games have turned against me.  I tried to log
into Swamp, but was told it had failled because my account needed renewing,
despite the fact that I'd renewed it a few months a go.  I then tried to
load up castaways, but got the following error:
---
Castaways
---
Run-time error '52':

Bad file name or number
---
OK
---
I've ran the checkup.exe file in the castaways folder, but it's not done
anything.  It's really frustrating having Swamp so laggy, then castaways not
responding suddenly.
I'm not sure what to do about that runtime error and would be glad of any
help.  Thanks from Lori.


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Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

[loriduncan]

Hi I've tried re-installing castaways, but with no luck, I'm still getting 
that error even with the files being replaced.


-Original Message- 
From: john

Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 2:44 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

If the problem is occurring only after you killed power to the machine (I'm
presuming you didn't go through windows to shut down) then the power loss
may have corrupted files, in which case just replacing them will do the
trick.
In future, if your screen reader starts misbehaving, try the following:
press windows r, type cmd, and hit enter.
type:
taskkill /f /im jfw.exe
or
taskkill /f /im nvda.exe
and then reload the screen reader as normal.

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From: "loriduncan" <lori_dunca...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 9:16
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Hi yes, I've tried all the obvious stuff to fix the problem, and am actually
wondering if something is wrong at Aprone's end, as it was the online game
I'd been playing, and my jaws had frozen so I had to exit the game and shut
down my laptop them re-boot it, and that's when I started getting that
error.

I'll give the installer another shot though.

From Lori.


-Original Message- 
From: john

Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 1:26 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

In homage to IT people all around the world... have you rebooted?
Other possibilities:
If you can, try castaways on another machine?
Either that, or just redownload it and see if that fixes the issue;
something may have been corrupted or missing.
I've got nothing for swamp, sorry.


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From: "loriduncan" <lori_dunca...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 4:54
To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Hi everyone, it seems Aprone's games have turned against me.  I tried to log
into Swamp, but was told it had failled because my account needed renewing,
despite the fact that I'd renewed it a few months a go.  I then tried to
load up castaways, but got the following error:
---
Castaways
---
Run-time error '52':

Bad file name or number
---
OK
---
I've ran the checkup.exe file in the castaways folder, but it's not done
anything.  It's really frustrating having Swamp so laggy, then castaways not
responding suddenly.
I'm not sure what to do about that runtime error and would be glad of any
help.  Thanks from Lori.


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Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

[jeremy]

Lori, delete the file progress.ini in your Castaways folder.  I do believe John 
was correct that the power cut corrupted files, and the progress.ini file is 
the one file that wouldn't be replaced when you reinstalled Castaways.
- Aprone

  From: john <jpcarnemo...@gmail.com>
 To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org> 
 Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 10:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me
   
Try extracting the archive to a completely different folder, and start with 
nothing but the default settings.
If you use your current folder, some files will remain from the old version, 
and may be part of your problem.
Can you run any of Aprone's other games? Run in this case means load without 
an error, not necessarily play.

  
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Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

[loriduncan]

Ah ok Aprone, thanks, I didn't realise what the progress.ini file was, I 
thought it was just a text document with all my game turns and a note of 
what happened in game.

Thanks from Lori.

-Original Message- 
From: jer...@kaldobsky.com

Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 6:18 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Lori, delete the file progress.ini in your Castaways folder.  I do believe 
John was correct that the power cut corrupted files, and the progress.ini 
file is the one file that wouldn't be replaced when you reinstalled 
Castaways.

- Aprone

 From: john <jpcarnemo...@gmail.com>
To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Try extracting the archive to a completely different folder, and start with
nothing but the default settings.
If you use your current folder, some files will remain from the old version,
and may be part of your problem.
Can you run any of Aprone's other games? Run in this case means load without
an error, not necessarily play.


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Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

[Shaun Everiss]

Well yeah if you do have a powercut most likely you may have fried 
something.

if things do not work maybe a good reformat will work.
Seriously if you can afford it especially if you have a desktop get a ups.
I have a couple.
if you are a laptop user try to cycle your battery every couple months 
and buy an extra.
To be honest, having a ups even though that cost me 70 bucks each has 
saved my ass many times.
Another thing I'd get is a serge board that can fit 6 units in, and get 
as many as there are electronic devices in them.
Yes they are 30 bucks or so, yes they cost but again they will save your 
ass and I can vouch for  both bits of kit.
Remember to change your ups battery every couple years or so and to have 
a spare just in case you forget else things will not work well for you.

I had a cheap powerstrip bust on me all of a sudden once.
and I have friends in lightning strike zones.
If the power goes off, if the thing powers up it may be corrupted and we 
would reformat, works every time.
However more than not, you wouldn't get anything and have to replace the 
power supply and ram chips or worse.
This would probably be a good time to tell all well remind all to have 
good serge protection tech.

An ups or 2 a serge box and a power board or 2 would be ideal.
Failing that, at minimum, a serge board that allows 2 plugs for the 
power strips and or plugs with auto powercut offs for each unit.
And if not, make sure you have 2 backup hdds at least and make sure one 
of them is always as updated as it can be and keep it offline maybe 
stored away but close enough for you to get it.




On 2/10/2015 2:44 a.m., john wrote:

If the problem is occurring only after you killed power to the machine (I'm
presuming you didn't go through windows to shut down) then the power loss
may have corrupted files, in which case just replacing them will do the
trick.
In future, if your screen reader starts misbehaving, try the following:
press windows r, type cmd, and hit enter.
type:
taskkill /f /im jfw.exe
or
taskkill /f /im nvda.exe
and then reload the screen reader as normal.

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From: "loriduncan" <lori_dunca...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 9:16
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Hi yes, I've tried all the obvious stuff to fix the problem, and am actually
wondering if something is wrong at Aprone's end, as it was the online game
I'd been playing, and my jaws had frozen so I had to exit the game and shut
down my laptop them re-boot it, and that's when I started getting that
error.

I'll give the installer another shot though.

From Lori.


-Original Message-
From: john
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 1:26 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

In homage to IT people all around the world... have you rebooted?
Other possibilities:
If you can, try castaways on another machine?
Either that, or just redownload it and see if that fixes the issue;
something may have been corrupted or missing.
I've got nothing for swamp, sorry.


--
From: "loriduncan" <lori_dunca...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 4:54
To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Hi everyone, it seems Aprone's games have turned against me.  I tried to log
into Swamp, but was told it had failled because my account needed renewing,
despite the fact that I'd renewed it a few months a go.  I then tried to
load up castaways, but got the following error:
---
Castaways
---
Run-time error '52':

Bad file name or number
---
OK
---
I've ran the checkup.exe file in the castaways folder, but it's not done
anything.  It's really frustrating having Swamp so laggy, then castaways not
responding suddenly.
I'm not sure what to do about that runtime error and would be glad of any
help.  Thanks from Lori.


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Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

[loriduncan]

Hi thanks Sean, but I have both games working now, deleting the progress.ini 
file worked a treat, and Aprone has fixed the problem I was having with my 
Swamp account.  Yaye Aprone!  :)


-Original Message- 
From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 3:34 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Well yeah if you do have a powercut most likely you may have fried
something.
if things do not work maybe a good reformat will work.
Seriously if you can afford it especially if you have a desktop get a ups.
I have a couple.
if you are a laptop user try to cycle your battery every couple months
and buy an extra.
To be honest, having a ups even though that cost me 70 bucks each has
saved my ass many times.
Another thing I'd get is a serge board that can fit 6 units in, and get
as many as there are electronic devices in them.
Yes they are 30 bucks or so, yes they cost but again they will save your
ass and I can vouch for  both bits of kit.
Remember to change your ups battery every couple years or so and to have
a spare just in case you forget else things will not work well for you.
I had a cheap powerstrip bust on me all of a sudden once.
and I have friends in lightning strike zones.
If the power goes off, if the thing powers up it may be corrupted and we
would reformat, works every time.
However more than not, you wouldn't get anything and have to replace the
power supply and ram chips or worse.
This would probably be a good time to tell all well remind all to have
good serge protection tech.
An ups or 2 a serge box and a power board or 2 would be ideal.
Failing that, at minimum, a serge board that allows 2 plugs for the
power strips and or plugs with auto powercut offs for each unit.
And if not, make sure you have 2 backup hdds at least and make sure one
of them is always as updated as it can be and keep it offline maybe
stored away but close enough for you to get it.



On 2/10/2015 2:44 a.m., john wrote:
If the problem is occurring only after you killed power to the machine 
(I'm

presuming you didn't go through windows to shut down) then the power loss
may have corrupted files, in which case just replacing them will do the
trick.
In future, if your screen reader starts misbehaving, try the following:
press windows r, type cmd, and hit enter.
type:
taskkill /f /im jfw.exe
or
taskkill /f /im nvda.exe
and then reload the screen reader as normal.

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From: "loriduncan" <lori_dunca...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 9:16
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Hi yes, I've tried all the obvious stuff to fix the problem, and am 
actually

wondering if something is wrong at Aprone's end, as it was the online game
I'd been playing, and my jaws had frozen so I had to exit the game and 
shut

down my laptop them re-boot it, and that's when I started getting that
error.

I'll give the installer another shot though.

From Lori.


-Original Message-
From: john
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 1:26 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games turning against me

In homage to IT people all around the world... have you rebooted?
Other possibilities:
If you can, try castaways on another machine?
Either that, or just redownload it and see if that fixes the issue;
something may have been corrupted or missing.
I've got nothing for swamp, sorry.


--
From: "loriduncan" <lori_dunca...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 4:54
To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: [Audyssey] games turning against me

Hi everyone, it seems Aprone's games have turned against me.  I tried to 
log
into Swamp, but was told it had failled because my account needed 
renewing,

despite the fact that I'd renewed it a few months a go.  I then tried to
load up castaways, but got the following error:
---
Castaways
---
Run-time error '52':

Bad file name or number
---
OK
---
I've ran the checkup.exe file in the castaways folder, but it's not done
anything.  It's really frustrating having Swamp so laggy, then castaways 
not

responding suddenly.
I'm not sure what to do about that runtime error and would be glad of any
help.  Thanks from Lori.


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[Audyssey] games turning against me

[loriduncan]

Hi everyone, it seems Aprone's games have turned against me.  I tried to log 
into Swamp, but was told it had failled because my account needed renewing, 
despite the fact that I'd renewed it a few months a go.  I then tried to 
load up castaways, but got the following error:

---
Castaways
---
Run-time error '52':

Bad file name or number
---
OK
---
I've ran the checkup.exe file in the castaways folder, but it's not done 
anything.  It's really frustrating having Swamp so laggy, then castaways not 
responding suddenly.
I'm not sure what to do about that runtime error and would be glad of any 
help.  Thanks from Lori. 



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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: a minute to win it

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Charles,

All of those are good ideas, but I think you guys forgot something
important. When Nicol made the suggestion I believe he was looking for
a PC game and not one for an iPhone or Android device. Therefore while
I've seen a lot of good ideas for input using a phone I haven't seen
anything to address Nicol's specific request for a PC game.

Cheers!


On 10/22/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
 How about tilting the phone back and forth to increase your swing, then tap

 to release an object to land somewhere specific?.  If the target is off to
 one side, turn the phone until it is centered, then perform the swing to get

 the distance and tap to release.  Or rather than tapping, hold down on the
 screen to hold the object and raise your finger to release it.

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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: a minute to win it

[dark]

Hi tom.

this is true, but to be honest I haven't seen this game show anyway and so 
it probably wouldn't be on my major priority list even if there were! a 
direct game of it.


I was just interested in the question, wich I believe was asked earlier in 
this discussion of how you could replicate the sorts of challenges in that, 
and similar game shows.


Beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: a minute to win it

[Charles Rivard]

How about tilting the phone back and forth to increase your swing, then tap 
to release an object to land somewhere specific?.  If the target is off to 
one side, turn the phone until it is centered, then perform the swing to get 
the distance and tap to release.  Or rather than tapping, hold down on the 
screen to hold the object and raise your finger to release it.


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you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: a minute to win it



Hi Tom.

I've not heard of this game show before either,either in it's original 
american form (though American game shows are only occasionally shown in 
the Uk), or if there was a Uk version made which sometimes happens with 
popular american shows, such as the very famous play your cards right with 
the legendary bruceForsythe being a Uk version of the American card 
sharks.


However, nicols' question did make me considder how something like a 
physical skill based challenge in a game show could be made in an audio 
game. The Iphone (and possibly Android I don't know), offers some really 
interesting analogue control methods, both in terms of sliding your 
fingers around the phone, and in terms of tilting or rotating the phone.


I could imagine quite a fun game along the lines of a game show or a set 
of small challenges that gave you those sorts of things, for example with 
the dropping the lid on the cup challenge Nicol mentioned, have the cup 
make a sound, and require you to move the Iphone around carefully in the 
air in front of you to determine the cup's location and then tap fingers 
to drop.


We've seen a bit of this. Sixth sense is a sterrio targiting arcade zombie 
fighting game basically not to different from say the Tigers in Tarzan 
Junior or the gun fights in Grizly gulch, however instead of just tapping 
to a different direction and hitting a key, you have to directionally 
slide your finger,  streight up for center, 45 degrees right for middle 
right, streight right for far right etc.



Nebula has you tilting the phone to targit space invaders etc.

It strikes me this would be the perfect way to make quite an interesting 
gameshow type game with those sorts of varied actions and challenges, 
using the aalogue control and movement of the phone to mimic a number of 
games in one program in accessible form.


All the best,

Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: a minute to win it

[dark]

Hi charlse.

that would certainly work, I was just trying to illustrate the idea of using 
various methods of moving the phone and using the touch screen in a single 
game, sinse thus far we  haven't really see that much interaction in 
analogue controls, as papasangre is just tap and move, indeed the closest 
we've seen is smackme, though even that only had a basic tap and a number of 
phone movements.


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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: a minute to win it

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Hayden,

Yes, a lot of those challenges would be pretty specialized. One would
have to develop a pretty sophisticated physics engine to perform most
of those challenges, because they require some hand and eye
coordination. I think if written correctly one wouldn't necessarily
have to worry about randomness since the laws of physics should do
that for you, but would take considerable effort to replicate.

Even so I agree it wouldn't necessarily make a good audio game. I
can't imagine having too much fun bouncing a quarter off a table into
a container, dropping a lid on a cup, or similar types of challenges.
Then again, I will admit I am much more of an intellectual and love
games that have some sort of intellectual challenge such as trivia
games like Jeopardy, puzzle games like Wheel of Fortune, etc where I'm
challenged mentally not physically.



On 10/20/14, hayden presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote:
 I think the real issue is how specialized each challenge would be, e.g. how
 heavily each would have ot be documented because of the variety of
 challenges present on that show. The other issue is for the more difficult
 ones, you'd almost have to have a degree of randomness to keep people from
 coming up with tricks to do them in one go, for example the one where you
 have to bounce a quarter from a table into a jug. Long story short, I can't
 see how you'd make a reasonably good audio game out of that, either.

 Best Regards,
 Hayden

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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: a minute to win it

[dark]

Hi Tom.

I can see that replicating sophisticated physics for say bouncing a coin off 
a table into a jug, let alone replicating the necessary motions to perform 
that action (even with analogue control), would be hell to program, however 
I don't think that would really be a problem.


Back in the 80's, and even today there were games with relativistic physics 
engines that bore no resemblance to the real world in action, but were 
addictive for what the player needed to learn.


For example, the Kirby games (both on the Snes and the Gba), have a number 
of minigames which you can play from the title screen just for fun, or play 
in the game to earn extra lives.


In Bomb run, four different coloured kirbies are kicking a bomb to each 
other like a football. the bomb certainly doesn't move realistically, and 
you can't move kirby's position, just hit the button to kick when the bomb 
reachest you. The first person to miss the bombby kicking too early orlate 
drops it and gets blown up.


In another game from nightmare in Dreamland, Kirby's air grind, your riding 
Kirby on a little racing car attached to a rail. You can hold the button to 
accellerate, but when you get over gaps in the track you need to let go, 
otherwise you'll slow down.


In mega tonne punch, you have to hit the button first to stop a moving 
targit cross hair to set the accuracy of your punch, then to stop a swinging 
watch in the center of the swing to set your momentum, then a power meater 
getting to the top to set your power, after which Kirby will punch. The more 
accurate you are with the various meatres, the more powerful your punch.


What I'm getting at, is that for a game like flipping a coin into a jug, you 
wouldn't necessarily need to replicate physics at all. Say you had to first 
decide how high to flip the coin with an ascending sound test like Jim's 
golf game, then you had to decide on the amount of force to apply by 
swinging your phone or flicking your mouse. Do it right, and the coin goes 
into the jug, indeed you could have a number of jugs at different distances. 
Do it wrong, and the coin doesn't, rather like jumping the busses in Jim's 
homer on a harly game.


The hard part to me wouldn't be making realistic physics, but making 
addictive mechanics that the player had to learn and master and use their 
judgement for, which is not the same thing.


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[Audyssey] games we'd like to play: a minute to win it

[Nicol]

Hi all
Those of you who live in the US, have you watched the tv show a minute to
win it?
This show is broadcasted on south african tv on Friday nights 8:00, but the
show takes place in the US.
This game  show consists of 10 levels if memory serves.
With each level completed, the players' money are increased.
completing all  10 levels the player gets 1 million dollars. 
Usually  each player is actually a  male and female  couple.
If memory serves, the player starts off with  3 lives.
The player gets 60 seconds to complete the task.
If the time is up, the player loses one life.
One of the challenges I can remember: the player is standing up straight and
is holding a lid in his hand.
Then straight below him on the floor is a cup.
The player must, in 60 seconds, try to throw the lid downlwards so that it
covers the cup.
The presenter of this show said that info about the game can be found at
www.nbc.com
I had a look at the website but I cannot find any info about the show.
How easy would it be to create an audio game similar to this show?
  Bfn
NIcol


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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: a minute to win it

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Nicol,

I've seen that game show before, but not for quite a while. Its no
longer in production, and the Game Show Network, GSN, shows reruns of
it on Sunday afternoons as I recall. In any case because the show is
no longer in production and is no longer being shown on NBC that's
probably why you can't find any info about it on nbc.com. You are
basing your information on a show from two or three years ago.

At any rate not sure how well it would be as an audio game. The idea
of the show is to come up with challenges using household items and
giving the contestant a chance to perform the action in 60 seconds or
lose one of their three lives. Not sure how one would imitate some of
those challenges in an audio game although I suppose it is possible.
Just not something that would be of any interest to me personally
since I wasn't really a fan of that game show myself.



On 10/20/14, Nicol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net wrote:
 Hi all
 Those of you who live in the US, have you watched the tv show a minute to
 win it?
 This show is broadcasted on south african tv on Friday nights 8:00, but the
 show takes place in the US.
 This game  show consists of 10 levels if memory serves.
 With each level completed, the players' money are increased.
 completing all  10 levels the player gets 1 million dollars.
 Usually  each player is actually a  male and female  couple.
 If memory serves, the player starts off with  3 lives.
 The player gets 60 seconds to complete the task.
 If the time is up, the player loses one life.
 One of the challenges I can remember: the player is standing up straight
 and
 is holding a lid in his hand.
 Then straight below him on the floor is a cup.
 The player must, in 60 seconds, try to throw the lid downlwards so that it
 covers the cup.
 The presenter of this show said that info about the game can be found at
 www.nbc.com
 I had a look at the website but I cannot find any info about the show.
 How easy would it be to create an audio game similar to this show?
   Bfn
 NIcol


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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: a minute to win it

[dark]

Hi Tom.

I've not heard of this game show before either,either in it's original 
american form (though American game shows are only occasionally shown in the 
Uk), or if there was a Uk version made which sometimes happens with popular 
american shows, such as the very famous play your cards right with the 
legendary bruceForsythe being a Uk version of the American card sharks.


However, nicols' question did make me considder how something like a 
physical skill based challenge in a game show could be made in an audio 
game. The Iphone (and possibly Android I don't know), offers some really 
interesting analogue control methods, both in terms of sliding your fingers 
around the phone, and in terms of tilting or rotating the phone.


I could imagine quite a fun game along the lines of a game show or a set of 
small challenges that gave you those sorts of things, for example with the 
dropping the lid on the cup challenge Nicol mentioned, have the cup make a 
sound, and require you to move the Iphone around carefully in the air in 
front of you to determine the cup's location and then tap fingers to drop.


We've seen a bit of this. Sixth sense is a sterrio targiting arcade zombie 
fighting game basically not to different from say the Tigers in Tarzan 
Junior or the gun fights in Grizly gulch, however instead of just tapping to 
a different direction and hitting a key, you have to directionally slide 
your finger,  streight up for center, 45 degrees right for middle right, 
streight right for far right etc.



Nebula has you tilting the phone to targit space invaders etc.

It strikes me this would be the perfect way to make quite an interesting 
gameshow type game with those sorts of varied actions and challenges, using 
the aalogue control and movement of the phone to mimic a number of games in 
one program in accessible form.


All the best,

Dark. 



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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: a minute to win it

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Dark,

Well, I just checked Wikipedia and there was definitely a UK version
produced. However, the game show didn't take off very well which is
probably why you haven't heard of it. It only lasted a couple of years
over here, and now resides on the Game Show Network which plays new
and old game shows around the clock. However, it is no longer on NBC
where it originally aired back in 2010 and 2011, and while GSN tried
to keep the show going it eventually was canceled by GSN as well. So
it is by no means very popular.

In any case I like your ideas about using the iPhone and Android to
handle physical skill based tasks like those in the show. I imagine
the touchscfreens for PC could be used similarly, but its not a
technology many audio gamers are likely to have at this time to make
it worthwhile as an input method. Although, it is certainly intriguing
conceptually.

Cheers!


On 10/20/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
 Hi Tom.

 I've not heard of this game show before either,either in it's original
 american form (though American game shows are only occasionally shown in the

 Uk), or if there was a Uk version made which sometimes happens with popular

 american shows, such as the very famous play your cards right with the
 legendary bruceForsythe being a Uk version of the American card sharks.

 However, nicols' question did make me considder how something like a
 physical skill based challenge in a game show could be made in an audio
 game. The Iphone (and possibly Android I don't know), offers some really
 interesting analogue control methods, both in terms of sliding your fingers

 around the phone, and in terms of tilting or rotating the phone.

 I could imagine quite a fun game along the lines of a game show or a set of

 small challenges that gave you those sorts of things, for example with the
 dropping the lid on the cup challenge Nicol mentioned, have the cup make a
 sound, and require you to move the Iphone around carefully in the air in
 front of you to determine the cup's location and then tap fingers to drop.

 We've seen a bit of this. Sixth sense is a sterrio targiting arcade zombie
 fighting game basically not to different from say the Tigers in Tarzan
 Junior or the gun fights in Grizly gulch, however instead of just tapping to

 a different direction and hitting a key, you have to directionally slide
 your finger,  streight up for center, 45 degrees right for middle right,
 streight right for far right etc.


 Nebula has you tilting the phone to targit space invaders etc.

 It strikes me this would be the perfect way to make quite an interesting
 gameshow type game with those sorts of varied actions and challenges, using

 the aalogue control and movement of the phone to mimic a number of games in

 one program in accessible form.

 All the best,

 Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: a minute to win it

[hayden presley]

I think the real issue is how specialized each challenge would be, e.g. how
heavily each would have ot be documented because of the variety of
challenges present on that show. The other issue is for the more difficult
ones, you'd almost have to have a degree of randomness to keep people from
coming up with tricks to do them in one go, for example the one where you
have to bounce a quarter from a table into a jug. Long story short, I can't
see how you'd make a reasonably good audio game out of that, either.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward
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Hi Nicol,

I've seen that game show before, but not for quite a while. Its no longer in
production, and the Game Show Network, GSN, shows reruns of it on Sunday
afternoons as I recall. In any case because the show is no longer in
production and is no longer being shown on NBC that's probably why you can't
find any info about it on nbc.com. You are basing your information on a show
from two or three years ago.

At any rate not sure how well it would be as an audio game. The idea of the
show is to come up with challenges using household items and giving the
contestant a chance to perform the action in 60 seconds or lose one of their
three lives. Not sure how one would imitate some of those challenges in an
audio game although I suppose it is possible.
Just not something that would be of any interest to me personally since I
wasn't really a fan of that game show myself.



On 10/20/14, Nicol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net wrote:
 Hi all
 Those of you who live in the US, have you watched the tv show a minute 
 to win it?
 This show is broadcasted on south african tv on Friday nights 8:00, 
 but the show takes place in the US.
 This game  show consists of 10 levels if memory serves.
 With each level completed, the players' money are increased.
 completing all  10 levels the player gets 1 million dollars.
 Usually  each player is actually a  male and female  couple.
 If memory serves, the player starts off with  3 lives.
 The player gets 60 seconds to complete the task.
 If the time is up, the player loses one life.
 One of the challenges I can remember: the player is standing up 
 straight and is holding a lid in his hand.
 Then straight below him on the floor is a cup.
 The player must, in 60 seconds, try to throw the lid downlwards so 
 that it covers the cup.
 The presenter of this show said that info about the game can be found 
 at www.nbc.com I had a look at the website but I cannot find any info 
 about the show.
 How easy would it be to create an audio game similar to this show?
   Bfn
 NIcol


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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: musical chairs

[shaun everiss]

Hmmm as I understand it, if you were the last one on a chair you were 
out that is if you were last one to sit.
every round the chairs were reduced till only 1 was left, or in some 
cases none, that last person won the entire game.

However I never enjoyed it really that much.
As a computer game, I am really not sure how you would make it really 
that good.

It would be simple and rubbishy to see the best.
some sort off randomised timer maybe, for the music, and then you 
would hit left arrow or right try to get a chair in say 10 seconds or 
something,
every round a chair could go and you would have less time till 
everything stopped.

However beyond that point I don't know what the replay value would be.
It'd be a good oncer but then I would probably delete it.

At 08:39 a.m. 21/09/2014, you wrote:

Hi all
Here is a new game concept for those of you who are studying bgt or another
game  programming  language.
First a bit of background.
When I was a kid, I loved to  play a game with my friends called musical
chairs when we have a party.
Musical chairs is a typical party game.
If memory serves the minimum number of people must be five.
Let's say 8 people is playing.
Then 7 chairs are placed in a room.
Then music is turned on.
When I was a kid, we used fast and lively music like bluegrass music.
Each person must find a chair and sit on it as quickly as possible.
When the music stops, the person that is not seated on a chair is the loser.
I'm not sure what the rule then is: If that person should not play in the
next round.
I played  musical chairs years ago.
I cannot remember  what the rule then is.
this is how I envision musical chairs as  an audio game.
I would place musical chairs in the arcade category.
AS  soon as the music plays, the player runs in the room by holding down an
arrow key.
Hold down left arrow to run left, up arrow to run ahead, down arrow to run
backwards etc.
All the chairs will make the same sound: either a voice saying chair or a
sound that is easily identified with a chair.
The other character's in this game concept are computer characters or bots
also  trying to find a chair as soon as possible.
As soon as the player finds the chair he must center the sound of the chair
in the center of the sound field by walking  with the arrow keys until the
chair's sound is centred.  he must sit on it by pressing a tricky key combo
like windows key plus  alt plus  shift plus control plus  up arrow.
If the music stops the  character's name will be announced  who is not
seated on a chair, either the player or a bot.
If the player is seated, an applause is heard.
If the player is not seated on a chair the moment the music stops  a buzzer
is heard.
If the player is seated on a chair  when the music stops, the player is then
taken to  a bonus game likecandy hunt where the player runs in the room
with the arrow keys and pick up  different kinds of  candy as much as
possible within a given time.
Candy like lickerish, toffees, nickerballs etc.
If the player is not seated on  a chair when the music stops, obviously the
player does not qualify for the bonus game.
What do you think of this concept?
Bfn
NIcol


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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: musical chairs

[Thomas Ward]

Hi,

Yeah, I think an audio game based on Musical Chairs would be pretty
lame all things considered. I don't consider Musical Chairs all that
fun to begin with when actually playing it at a party etc, and it
would be even less fun as a computer game because there wouldn't be
much to do besides listen to the music and press a key to sit down as
quick as possible when the music stops. Its just one of those games
better played in person than it would be on a computer.

As it so happens I can think of a number of party games that could be
adapted into audio games that would be a lot more fun and have more
replay value than Musical Chairs. There is always the old classic Pin
the Tail on the Donkey which requires the player to be blind folded
and would be well suited for an audio game. A simple game like darts
could be fun because you would attempt to throw a dart into the center
of the target. There are other party games like horse shoes, ring
toss,  etc which could easily be made into audio games that would be
more fun and interesting.


On 9/20/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hmmm as I understand it, if you were the last one on a chair you were
 out that is if you were last one to sit.
 every round the chairs were reduced till only 1 was left, or in some
 cases none, that last person won the entire game.
 However I never enjoyed it really that much.
 As a computer game, I am really not sure how you would make it really
 that good.
 It would be simple and rubbishy to see the best.
 some sort off randomised timer maybe, for the music, and then you
 would hit left arrow or right try to get a chair in say 10 seconds or
 something,
 every round a chair could go and you would have less time till
 everything stopped.
 However beyond that point I don't know what the replay value would be.
 It'd be a good oncer but then I would probably delete it.

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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: musical chairs

[Jacob Kruger]

Heavy metal version of musical chairs?

Mosh pit on a small dance floor..?

And, you lose each round if you're on the ground/floor when they switch 
music over to Justin Bieber, since it means you then can't run off dance 
floor fast enough..?


smile

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
...Roger Wilco wants to welcome you, to the space janitor's closet...

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Hi,

Yeah, I think an audio game based on Musical Chairs would be pretty
lame all things considered. I don't consider Musical Chairs all that
fun to begin with when actually playing it at a party etc, and it
would be even less fun as a computer game because there wouldn't be
much to do besides listen to the music and press a key to sit down as
quick as possible when the music stops. Its just one of those games
better played in person than it would be on a computer.

As it so happens I can think of a number of party games that could be
adapted into audio games that would be a lot more fun and have more
replay value than Musical Chairs. There is always the old classic Pin
the Tail on the Donkey which requires the player to be blind folded
and would be well suited for an audio game. A simple game like darts
could be fun because you would attempt to throw a dart into the center
of the target. There are other party games like horse shoes, ring
toss,  etc which could easily be made into audio games that would be
more fun and interesting.


On 9/20/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote:

Hmmm as I understand it, if you were the last one on a chair you were
out that is if you were last one to sit.
every round the chairs were reduced till only 1 was left, or in some
cases none, that last person won the entire game.
However I never enjoyed it really that much.
As a computer game, I am really not sure how you would make it really
that good.
It would be simple and rubbishy to see the best.
some sort off randomised timer maybe, for the music, and then you
would hit left arrow or right try to get a chair in say 10 seconds or
something,
every round a chair could go and you would have less time till
everything stopped.
However beyond that point I don't know what the replay value would be.
It'd be a good oncer but then I would probably delete it.


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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: musical chairs

[Scott Chesworth]

When virtual reality gets cheap enough, I'd while away hours playing this! lol

On 9/21/14, Jacob Kruger ja...@blindza.co.za wrote:
 Heavy metal version of musical chairs?

 Mosh pit on a small dance floor..?

 And, you lose each round if you're on the ground/floor when they switch
 music over to Justin Bieber, since it means you then can't run off dance
 floor fast enough..?

 smile

 Jacob Kruger
 Blind Biker
 Skype: BlindZA
 ...Roger Wilco wants to welcome you, to the space janitor's closet...

 - Original Message -
 From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 4:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: musical chairs


 Hi,

 Yeah, I think an audio game based on Musical Chairs would be pretty
 lame all things considered. I don't consider Musical Chairs all that
 fun to begin with when actually playing it at a party etc, and it
 would be even less fun as a computer game because there wouldn't be
 much to do besides listen to the music and press a key to sit down as
 quick as possible when the music stops. Its just one of those games
 better played in person than it would be on a computer.

 As it so happens I can think of a number of party games that could be
 adapted into audio games that would be a lot more fun and have more
 replay value than Musical Chairs. There is always the old classic Pin
 the Tail on the Donkey which requires the player to be blind folded
 and would be well suited for an audio game. A simple game like darts
 could be fun because you would attempt to throw a dart into the center
 of the target. There are other party games like horse shoes, ring
 toss,  etc which could easily be made into audio games that would be
 more fun and interesting.


 On 9/20/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hmmm as I understand it, if you were the last one on a chair you were
 out that is if you were last one to sit.
 every round the chairs were reduced till only 1 was left, or in some
 cases none, that last person won the entire game.
 However I never enjoyed it really that much.
 As a computer game, I am really not sure how you would make it really
 that good.
 It would be simple and rubbishy to see the best.
 some sort off randomised timer maybe, for the music, and then you
 would hit left arrow or right try to get a chair in say 10 seconds or
 something,
 every round a chair could go and you would have less time till
 everything stopped.
 However beyond that point I don't know what the replay value would be.
 It'd be a good oncer but then I would probably delete it.

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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: musical chairs

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Jacob,

Lol! That would certainly be different.


On 9/21/14, Jacob Kruger ja...@blindza.co.za wrote:
 Heavy metal version of musical chairs?

 Mosh pit on a small dance floor..?

 And, you lose each round if you're on the ground/floor when they switch
 music over to Justin Bieber, since it means you then can't run off dance
 floor fast enough..?

 smile

 Jacob Kruger
 Blind Biker
 Skype: BlindZA
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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: musical chairs

[Bryan Peterson]

Or Blue by Eiffel65. Shudder...



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Hi Jacob,

Lol! That would certainly be different.


On 9/21/14, Jacob Kruger ja...@blindza.co.za wrote:

Heavy metal version of musical chairs?

Mosh pit on a small dance floor..?

And, you lose each round if you're on the ground/floor when they switch
music over to Justin Bieber, since it means you then can't run off dance
floor fast enough..?

smile

Jacob Kruger
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Skype: BlindZA
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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: musical chairs

[Phil Vlasak]

Hi Bryan,
Do you remember my old DOS game Snype hunt?
The theme song was, My Console by: 
Eiffel 65.

I still hope to do a Windows version some day.
Phil
 

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Or Blue by Eiffel65. Shudder...


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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: musical chairs

[Bryan Peterson]

Never played it.



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Hi Bryan,
Do you remember my old DOS game Snype hunt?
The theme song was, My Console by:
Eiffel 65.
I still hope to do a Windows version some day.
Phil


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Or Blue by Eiffel65. Shudder...


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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: musical chairs

[Josh Kennedy]

if snipe hunt is simple maybe you could do it in bgt?

On 9/21/2014 8:24 PM, Phil Vlasak wrote:

Hi Bryan,
Do you remember my old DOS game Snype hunt?
The theme song was, My Console by: Eiffel 65.
I still hope to do a Windows version some day.
Phil


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[Audyssey] games we'd like to play: musical chairs

[Nicol]

Hi all
Here is a new game concept for those of you who are studying bgt or another
game  programming  language.
First a bit of background.
When I was a kid, I loved to  play a game with my friends called musical
chairs when we have a party.
Musical chairs is a typical party game.
If memory serves the minimum number of people must be five.
Let's say 8 people is playing.
Then 7 chairs are placed in a room.
Then music is turned on.
When I was a kid, we used fast and lively music like bluegrass music.
Each person must find a chair and sit on it as quickly as possible.
When the music stops, the person that is not seated on a chair is the loser.
I'm not sure what the rule then is: If that person should not play in the
next round.
I played  musical chairs years ago.
I cannot remember  what the rule then is.
this is how I envision musical chairs as  an audio game.
I would place musical chairs in the arcade category.
AS  soon as the music plays, the player runs in the room by holding down an
arrow key.
Hold down left arrow to run left, up arrow to run ahead, down arrow to run
backwards etc.
All the chairs will make the same sound: either a voice saying chair or a
sound that is easily identified with a chair.
The other character's in this game concept are computer characters or bots
also  trying to find a chair as soon as possible.
As soon as the player finds the chair he must center the sound of the chair
in the center of the sound field by walking  with the arrow keys until the
chair's sound is centred.  he must sit on it by pressing a tricky key combo
like windows key plus  alt plus  shift plus control plus  up arrow.
If the music stops the  character's name will be announced  who is not
seated on a chair, either the player or a bot.  
If the player is seated, an applause is heard.
If the player is not seated on a chair the moment the music stops  a buzzer
is heard.
If the player is seated on a chair  when the music stops, the player is then
taken to  a bonus game likecandy hunt where the player runs in the room
with the arrow keys and pick up  different kinds of  candy as much as
possible within a given time.
Candy like lickerish, toffees, nickerballs etc. 
If the player is not seated on  a chair when the music stops, obviously the
player does not qualify for the bonus game.
What do you think of this concept?
Bfn
NIcol


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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: musical chairs

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Nicol,

The object of Musical Chairs is to eliminate all but one of the
players. Therefore if you started out with eight players, as in your
example, by the end of the game there should only be one player
seated. The other seven players will be eliminated in successive
rounds until only one is remaining.

For example, let's say you have eight players but seven chairs. When
the music stops seven people will sit down and the eighth will remain
standing. That player will be eliminated from the game.
In the next round there will be seven players but six chairs. Again,
when the music stops six players will sit down and one will remain
standing. The one who is standing will obviously be eliminated. The
game goes on until there is only one, and only one player sitting
down.

As for your game idea it wouldn't work. For one reason in Musical
Chairs everyone lines up in a row and goes around in a circle until
the music stops at which point they sit down on the nearest available
chair. You aren't allowed to get out of line, move left or right, or
back up. So all your commands to move left, right, forward and
backward would be cheating. the only way the game could work is having
a key like space to start and stop your character from moving, and a
key to sit/stand. Beyond that you are adding stuff to the game that
does not belong.


On 9/20/14, Nicol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net wrote:
 Hi all
 Here is a new game concept for those of you who are studying bgt or another
 game  programming  language.
 First a bit of background.
 When I was a kid, I loved to  play a game with my friends called musical
 chairs when we have a party.
 Musical chairs is a typical party game.
 If memory serves the minimum number of people must be five.
 Let's say 8 people is playing.
 Then 7 chairs are placed in a room.
 Then music is turned on.
 When I was a kid, we used fast and lively music like bluegrass music.
 Each person must find a chair and sit on it as quickly as possible.
 When the music stops, the person that is not seated on a chair is the
 loser.
 I'm not sure what the rule then is: If that person should not play in the
 next round.
 I played  musical chairs years ago.
 I cannot remember  what the rule then is.
 this is how I envision musical chairs as  an audio game.
 I would place musical chairs in the arcade category.
 AS  soon as the music plays, the player runs in the room by holding down an
 arrow key.
 Hold down left arrow to run left, up arrow to run ahead, down arrow to run
 backwards etc.
 All the chairs will make the same sound: either a voice saying chair or a
 sound that is easily identified with a chair.
 The other character's in this game concept are computer characters or bots
 also  trying to find a chair as soon as possible.
 As soon as the player finds the chair he must center the sound of the chair
 in the center of the sound field by walking  with the arrow keys until the
 chair's sound is centred.  he must sit on it by pressing a tricky key combo
 like windows key plus  alt plus  shift plus control plus  up arrow.
 If the music stops the  character's name will be announced  who is not
 seated on a chair, either the player or a bot.
 If the player is seated, an applause is heard.
 If the player is not seated on a chair the moment the music stops  a buzzer
 is heard.
 If the player is seated on a chair  when the music stops, the player is
 then
 taken to  a bonus game likecandy hunt where the player runs in the room
 with the arrow keys and pick up  different kinds of  candy as much as
 possible within a given time.
 Candy like lickerish, toffees, nickerballs etc.
 If the player is not seated on  a chair when the music stops, obviously the
 player does not qualify for the bonus game.
 What do you think of this concept?
 Bfn
 NIcol


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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: circus charlie

[Charles Rivard]

Firstly, as I have never created a game, I'll say that what is below are 
just thoughts.  Here goes:


In the first stage Charlie rides on the back of a lion and must jump
through rings of fire. The difficulty here is to center Charlie so he
could jump through the rings without being burned.

As far as accessibility goes providing realistic sounds would be no
problem. The problem would be in trying to come up with a way to make
sure Charlie is centered in the ring and to guide him through the ring
without being burned. It was not easy to do when someone could see it,
and it would be even trickier to do using only audio.

Thought:  If Charlie is riding straight toward the ring, I would think that 
all you would have to do is to make sure that the sound is centered in your 
speakers or headset for enough time to indicate that you are riding in the 
right direction.  As for when to jump, how about a clicking indicator or a 
rise in pitch, and you either count clicks or jump at the highest pitch. 
With practice, it may be possible.


In stage 2 Charlie has to walk or run along a tightrope with monkeys
constantly trying to knock him off. The idea here was to jump over the
monkeys or avoid them knocking Charlie off the tightrope.

As far as access goes once again coming up with sounds is no problem.
My biggest concern with access is jumping over the monkeys. When you
jump over the monkeys you had to see where the tightrope was to land
on it else poor Charlie went splat on the ground. So knowing where to
land on the tightrope was crucial to that stage.

Thought:  If the tight rope is tight enough, would it stay stable?  Jumping 
over the monkeys would be a matter of timing.  As long as you jump straight 
forward, it might not be a problem.


In stage 4 is the rolling balls you mentioned. They are basically huge
rubber balls, like giant beach balls of different colors, that Charlie
has to jump from ball to ball. The trick here is the balls are
constantly rolling, constantly moving, making them hard to land on and
you can't stand on them long before Charlie gets flattened by the ball
he happens to be standing on.

Accessibility wise I have to do some thinking about this one.
Representing the balls themselves in audio is no problem. The problem
is there is no way to accurately represent the various angles as the
ball turns to let you know when to jump and where you landed on the
ball etc. That particular stage relied heavily on hand and eye
coordination, and isn't suitable for an audio representation that I
can see here.

Thought:  Sounds like a form of log rolling.  Staying on top of a rolling 
ball would be timing.  Maybe the speed of the roll is controled by Charlie? 
Not sure about how to determine the status and direction that other balls 
are in relation to the ball that Charlie is currently on, though.  Maybe 
each ball makes a ticking sound, and you could center that sound in your 
sound field for aiming the jump's direction?


Stage five is not as you described it in your message. Charlie is
doing some bareback riding on a horse not a donkey. Charlie jumps from
the back of the horse onto a trampoline, flips over, and then back
onto the horse. Later in that stage Charlie on horseback jumps walls
and other obstructions.

I suppose from an accessibility standpoint this stage could be done in
audio.  My concern is trying to identify when Charlie bounces into the
air and how to time his bounce so he will land on the horse correctly.
Again another one of those things that required hand and eye
coordination.

Thought:  This might be one of those times when practice makes perfect.  He 
would hit the trampoline and bounce.  To jump forward might be done with a 
combination of keystrokes, for instance, the up arrow and the space bar.  If 
the sound of the horse were directly in front of you, and the space bar were 
held for the right length of time, you would land on the horse's back. 
Maybe, as an audio cue, the horse could rhythmically neigh?


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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: circus charlie



Hi Nicol,

A few thoughts, comments, and corrections here. While you did a fairly
decent job of describing the game I did notice some mistakes, and also
wanted to point out some things you missed. I certainly don't hold it
against you since I know you could not see the game, and probably base
your descriptions on what you have been told rather than firsthand
experience.

To begin with yes Circus Charlie was for the original Nintendo
Entertainment system. While the original Nintendo is no longer
available any more commercially Circus Charlie is available for newer
Nintendo platforms. I do know for sure it is available for the
Nintendo DS as part

[Audyssey] games we'd like to play: circus charlie

[Nicol]

HI all
For those of you who are looking for a new game idea, especially now that
bgt is freeware, there is a game I would very much like to play.
Its called circus charlie.
It might be a nintendo game; I'm not sure.
I played this game as a kid on a small console connected to a television set
with the help of my sighted friends.
I no longer have this console.
My mom gave it away accidentally and I can  no longer find such a console in
south african shops.
I doubt if the original game was a side scroller but I  think for bgt the
easiest way to code it might be  to make it a side scroller.
The game had 5 stages.
In stage1 the player is standing on the back of a lion and  must  jump
across fiery  pots and fiery  rings.
In stage2 the player is running on a rope high in the air.
The player must jump across monkeys walking on the rope.
The monkeys will try their best to knock the player off the rope, especially
an occasional big blue monkey.
In stage3 the player have to jump from ball to ball.
AS far as I can remember, these are huge balls.
They are like gymnastic balls and they are colored.
The color does not affect game play . its simply eye candy.
The ball  on which the player stands is rolling quickly and then the player
must make it onto the next ball before the ball on which the player stands
rolls from underneath him and knocks him to the ground.
In stage4 the player is standing on the back of a donkey and must jump onto
a trampoline as soon as the donkey passes the trampoline.
Once on the trampoline the player must then again jump back onto the
donkey's back once the donkey passes the trampoline.
When the player doesn't make it onto the trampoline in time the donkey will
throw the player off his back.
If the player does not jump onto the donkey's back in time the trampoline
will throw the player onto the ground.
Then the pattern repeats until the end of the stage.
In stage5 the player is on a high swing like  a trapeze.
IN circus charlie this swing goes up and down like a normal swing.
Then the player have to jump onto a trampoline as soon as the trampoline is
right underneeth the swing.
Else the swing will throw the player onto the ground.
Once on the trampoline the player have to jump back onto the swing else the
trampoline might throw the player to the ground.
I'm not sure how easy  this would be to code with bgt.
What concerns sounds, I think the sounds of donkeys and a fire sound for the
pots and rings would hopefully not be too difficult to get from the web.
Also it would hopefully be easy to get monkey sounds from the web for
stage2.
For the balls in stage3 the best sound would be a sound similar to the
rolling ball sound in ten pin alley.
This too hopefully shouldn't be too difficult to find on the web.
And I think a sound for the donkey would hopefully be quite easy to get from
the web too.
And for the trampolines and swing screeching sounds would fit.
I think circus charlie would fit into the arcade category.
The player does not always run to the right.
Sometimes the player have to run to the left.
AS far as I  can remember, from playing circus charlie with sighted friends
years ago, the player runs a bit to the right, jump across objects and then
runs a bit to the left and again jump and so on.
Bfn
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Re: [Audyssey] games we'd like to play: circus charlie

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Nicol,

A few thoughts, comments, and corrections here. While you did a fairly
decent job of describing the game I did notice some mistakes, and also
wanted to point out some things you missed. I certainly don't hold it
against you since I know you could not see the game, and probably base
your descriptions on what you have been told rather than firsthand
experience.

To begin with yes Circus Charlie was for the original Nintendo
Entertainment system. While the original Nintendo is no longer
available any more commercially Circus Charlie is available for newer
Nintendo platforms. I do know for sure it is available for the
Nintendo DS as part of the Konami Classics series. So if you want to
replace your copy of the game perhaps that is an option for you.

As far as stages and levels goes I believe there were actually six not
five stages to complete in the original Circus Charlie game. Each
stage was broken down into seven levels that Charlie had to complete
before he could move onto the next stage. This style of arcade game is
known as a platformer, but its more or less what we think of as
side-scrollers today.

In the first stage Charlie rides on the back of a lion and must jump
through rings of fire. The difficulty here is to center Charlie so he
could jump through the rings without being burned.

As far as accessibility goes providing realistic sounds would be no
problem. The problem would be in trying to come up with a way to make
sure Charlie is centered in the ring and to guide him through the ring
without being burned. It was not easy to do when someone could see it,
and it would be even trickier to do using only audio.

In stage 2 Charlie has to walk or run along a tightrope with monkeys
constantly trying to knock him off. The idea here was to jump over the
monkeys or avoid them knocking Charlie off the tightrope.

As far as access goes once again coming up with sounds is no problem.
My biggest concern with access is jumping over the monkeys. When you
jump over the monkeys you had to see where the tightrope was to land
on it else poor Charlie went splat on the ground. So knowing where to
land on the tightrope was crucial to that stage.

Stage 3 was even trickier. Charlie had to jump from trampoline to
trampoline while knife throwers tried to hit him with thrown knives
and fire breathers tried to scorch him with fire from their mouths.

From an accessibility standpoint I actually find this one easy enough
to do purely from audio. I recall the mainstream version was pretty
challenging, but since everything here should have an audio equal it
might actually be possible to render a fairly accurate remake of that
level purely in audio alone.

In stage 4 is the rolling balls you mentioned. They are basically huge
rubber balls, like giant beach balls of different colors, that Charlie
has to jump from ball to ball. The trick here is the balls are
constantly rolling, constantly moving, making them hard to land on and
you can't stand on them long before Charlie gets flattened by the ball
he happens to be standing on.

Accessibility wise I have to do some thinking about this one.
Representing the balls themselves in audio is no problem. The problem
is there is no way to accurately represent the various angles as the
ball turns to let you know when to jump and where you landed on the
ball etc. That particular stage relied heavily on hand and eye
coordination, and isn't suitable for an audio representation that I
can see here.

Stage five is not as you described it in your message. Charlie is
doing some bareback riding on a horse not a donkey. Charlie jumps from
the back of the horse onto a trampoline, flips over, and then back
onto the horse. Later in that stage Charlie on horseback jumps walls
and other obstructions.

I suppose from an accessibility standpoint this stage could be done in
audio.  My concern is trying to identify when Charlie bounces into the
air and how to time his bounce so he will land on the horse correctly.
Again another one of those things that required hand and eye
coordination.

In stage 6 Circus Charlie is actually swinging from some trapeze not
swings. Although, the stage is more or less as you described it.

HTH


On 7/10/14, Nicol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net wrote:
   HI all
 For those of you who are looking for a new game idea, especially now that
 bgt is freeware, there is a game I would very much like to play.
 Its called circus charlie.
 It might be a nintendo game; I'm not sure.
 I played this game as a kid on a small console connected to a television
 set
 with the help of my sighted friends.
 I no longer have this console.
 My mom gave it away accidentally and I can  no longer find such a console
 in
 south african shops.
 I doubt if the original game was a side scroller but I  think for bgt the
 easiest way to code it might be  to make it a side scroller.
 The game had 5 stages.
 In stage1 the player is standing on the back of a lion and  must  jump
 

Re: [Audyssey] Games like Chrono cross

[Scott Chesworth]

Hi Ian,

Nope, I haven't played it, was just curious because I spent many happy
hours as a kid bashing away at Snes titles and only marginally less
hours bashing away at Snes9x a couple of years ago. Sounds like you're
well on the way toward an awesome hack there man! Excited to take it
for a spin whenever you've got something playable.

Cheers for the info

Scott

On 5/27/14, Ian Reed supp...@blindaudiogames.com wrote:
 Hi Scott,

 I modded Snes9X myself and my changes are small.
 My modded version takes interesting information that is given to the PPU
 and serves it up to another app via TCP.
 The whole point is to get this information into my other app where I can
 turn it into new accessibility features on a per game basis.

 The information consists of things like the tile maps for each of the
 BGs, their offsets, and the sprites and their positions.
 This is the information the PPU has, so it's what the game gave it and
 essentially what Snes9X is currently displaying to the player.
 But it is information at a higher level of abstraction than taking
 screen shots of the final rendered product and trying to get useful
 information out of those.

 So for example, I've ripped some of the tiles out of Chrono Trigger and
 identified all the letter and number tiles.
 This means that I get a sort of simple but very accurate OCR on any
 screens that use the one character per tile format.
 I can even label icons like a sword icon that means attack power or a
 shield icon that means defense, etc.
 So when looking at the character stats screen I can have all the stats
 read via text to speech.

 When I'm done I expect to be able to tell where the menu pointer sprite
 is and determine which chunk of text or icon it's pointing at.
 That way I can do text to speech for the currently selected menu item,
 useful in the party menu and in combat menus.

 I'm currently working on dialog text, meaning the text format that is
 used whenever NPCs talk in the game.
 It is not a one character per tile text like is used in menus but
 instead it is custom drawn.
 Fortunately there is still a predictable way to get it and turn it into
 text to speech.

 When I finish with that I'll go on to sprites and hopefully get menus
 much more accessible.
 After that I plan on doing some simple sound indicators so you can at
 least tell when your character is moving, in which direction, and when
 he is stopped at a wall.
 Then position announcements for other NPCs / sprites currently on the
 screen.
 And very last, if I can get someone sighted to play through the game and
 identify the ripped tiles for floors, walls, treasure chests, etc, then
 I could provide a tile by tile exploration of what is currently on
 screen, like the camera in BK3 or the grid in Tactical Battle.
 There are a few other ideas that could follow as well.

 Like I said, there's still a lot to be done.
 Getting all this information out of the emulator is the most difficult
 part because the code is very low level and the results are images,
 which I can't see well enough.
 I've been using a text representation of pixel images and gotten sighted
 assistance when that's not enough.
 But I think I'm about half way through all the low level code, which is
 good.

 Even with all these features it will still be more difficult than
 playing with sight, but that is mostly due to the difficulty of
 representing a mainstream game in audio than the lack of interesting
 information.

 Have you played Chrono Trigger?
 Can you play it at all now?

 Ian Reed
 Try my free games at http://BlindAudioGames.com


 On 5/26/2014 6:47 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
 Hiya Ian,

 Interesting project! What can you do with that modded version of
 Snes9X? Have there been other accessibility tweaks made that I've
 managed to miss finding out about?

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Re: [Audyssey] Games like Chrono cross

[Ian Reed]

I loved Chrono Trigger.  I have many fond memories of playing it when I 
was younger.


In April I started on a project to add accessibility features to it 
using a modded version of Snes9X.

I've made some good progress but there's still a lot of work to be done.
And even with accessibility features it will always feel a bit clunky 
because it was designed as a game for the sighted.

But I'm excited to play it again some day.

Ian Reed
Try my free games at http://BlindAudioGames.com


On 5/24/2014 11:49 PM, Devin Prater wrote:

Hi all. I've been entranced by the chrono series from the moment I heard the 
music and read the storyline. I really hope that programmers of audiogames will 
become good enough to write a game with a storyline and battle system as in 
depth as the chrono series.

Sent from my iPod 5

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Re: [Audyssey] Games like Chrono cross

[dan cook]

I've always wanted to be able to play that game.  Keep up the great
work as always sir!

On 26/05/2014, Ian Reed supp...@blindaudiogames.com wrote:
 I loved Chrono Trigger.  I have many fond memories of playing it when I
 was younger.

 In April I started on a project to add accessibility features to it
 using a modded version of Snes9X.
 I've made some good progress but there's still a lot of work to be done.
 And even with accessibility features it will always feel a bit clunky
 because it was designed as a game for the sighted.
 But I'm excited to play it again some day.

 Ian Reed
 Try my free games at http://BlindAudioGames.com


 On 5/24/2014 11:49 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
 Hi all. I've been entranced by the chrono series from the moment I heard
 the music and read the storyline. I really hope that programmers of
 audiogames will become good enough to write a game with a storyline and
 battle system as in depth as the chrono series.

 Sent from my iPod 5

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 r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
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Re: [Audyssey] Games like Chrono cross

[Scott Chesworth]

Hiya Ian,

Interesting project! What can you do with that modded version of
Snes9X? Have there been other accessibility tweaks made that I've
managed to miss finding out about?

Scott


On 5/26/14, Ian Reed supp...@blindaudiogames.com wrote:
 I loved Chrono Trigger.  I have many fond memories of playing it when I
 was younger.

 In April I started on a project to add accessibility features to it
 using a modded version of Snes9X.
 I've made some good progress but there's still a lot of work to be done.
 And even with accessibility features it will always feel a bit clunky
 because it was designed as a game for the sighted.
 But I'm excited to play it again some day.

 Ian Reed
 Try my free games at http://BlindAudioGames.com


 On 5/24/2014 11:49 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
 Hi all. I've been entranced by the chrono series from the moment I heard
 the music and read the storyline. I really hope that programmers of
 audiogames will become good enough to write a game with a storyline and
 battle system as in depth as the chrono series.

 Sent from my iPod 5

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 r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
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 d.pra...@me.com
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Re: [Audyssey] Games like Chrono cross

[Ian Reed]

Hi Scott,

I modded Snes9X myself and my changes are small.
My modded version takes interesting information that is given to the PPU 
and serves it up to another app via TCP.
The whole point is to get this information into my other app where I can 
turn it into new accessibility features on a per game basis.


The information consists of things like the tile maps for each of the 
BGs, their offsets, and the sprites and their positions.
This is the information the PPU has, so it's what the game gave it and 
essentially what Snes9X is currently displaying to the player.
But it is information at a higher level of abstraction than taking 
screen shots of the final rendered product and trying to get useful 
information out of those.


So for example, I've ripped some of the tiles out of Chrono Trigger and 
identified all the letter and number tiles.
This means that I get a sort of simple but very accurate OCR on any 
screens that use the one character per tile format.
I can even label icons like a sword icon that means attack power or a 
shield icon that means defense, etc.
So when looking at the character stats screen I can have all the stats 
read via text to speech.


When I'm done I expect to be able to tell where the menu pointer sprite 
is and determine which chunk of text or icon it's pointing at.
That way I can do text to speech for the currently selected menu item, 
useful in the party menu and in combat menus.


I'm currently working on dialog text, meaning the text format that is 
used whenever NPCs talk in the game.
It is not a one character per tile text like is used in menus but 
instead it is custom drawn.
Fortunately there is still a predictable way to get it and turn it into 
text to speech.


When I finish with that I'll go on to sprites and hopefully get menus 
much more accessible.
After that I plan on doing some simple sound indicators so you can at 
least tell when your character is moving, in which direction, and when 
he is stopped at a wall.
Then position announcements for other NPCs / sprites currently on the 
screen.
And very last, if I can get someone sighted to play through the game and 
identify the ripped tiles for floors, walls, treasure chests, etc, then 
I could provide a tile by tile exploration of what is currently on 
screen, like the camera in BK3 or the grid in Tactical Battle.

There are a few other ideas that could follow as well.

Like I said, there's still a lot to be done.
Getting all this information out of the emulator is the most difficult 
part because the code is very low level and the results are images, 
which I can't see well enough.
I've been using a text representation of pixel images and gotten sighted 
assistance when that's not enough.
But I think I'm about half way through all the low level code, which is 
good.


Even with all these features it will still be more difficult than 
playing with sight, but that is mostly due to the difficulty of 
representing a mainstream game in audio than the lack of interesting 
information.


Have you played Chrono Trigger?
Can you play it at all now?

Ian Reed
Try my free games at http://BlindAudioGames.com


On 5/26/2014 6:47 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:

Hiya Ian,

Interesting project! What can you do with that modded version of
Snes9X? Have there been other accessibility tweaks made that I've
managed to miss finding out about?

Scott




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[Audyssey] Games like Chrono cross

[Devin Prater]

Hi all. I've been entranced by the chrono series from the moment I heard the 
music and read the storyline. I really hope that programmers of audiogames will 
become good enough to write a game with a storyline and battle system as in 
depth as the chrono series. 

Sent from my iPod 5

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[Audyssey] games for mac os7 and outspoken

[Josh]

hi

Are there any games for mac os7 with the outspoken screen reader? or are 
they built into the bassilisk emulator?


--
using windows7 laptop


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Re: [Audyssey] Games We Like to Play [HAIRY BUTTHOLE INCLUDED]

[Ken Downey]

I see somebody's at it again, posting in my name. Oh boy.
Check out my games at
www.ThePionEar.net
and my music, and that of my band, at
www.ThePionEar.net/BlindLabyrinth.html .
Also, check out, The Believer and Skeptic Show, at iTunes!
If you want to reach me, you can call 419-744-0517, friend me on Facebook, 
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To: gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 6:19 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Games We Like to Play [HAIRY BUTTHOLE INCLUDED]


HAIRY BUTTHOLE HAIRY BUTTHOLE HAIRY BUTTHOLE! THOMAS WARD THINKS HE CAN 
MOD THE LIST BUT I AM TOO SMART FOR HIM! IF YOU OPENED THIS EMAIL, YOU 
WILL NOW HAVE A TROJAN! HAHAHAH! GOOD LUCK GETTING YOUR FREE SHITTY ANTI 
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[Audyssey] Games We Like to Play [HAIRY BUTTHOLE INCLUDED]

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