Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 Accessibility was VGStorm Presents Manamon, a new fully featured RPG!
Dark, If your computer is experiencing random freezing, it could signify several different things. If at all possible, could you list the specifications of your machine here please?rr On 7/22/16, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote: > Hi Phil. > > I did find that since it is the same command as narrator, but really it > wasn't that helpful with the problems my lady and I were having with random > > freezings. > > Hopefuly enes fix regarding thumnails will help. > > Al the best, > > Dark. > - Original Message - > From: "Phil Vlasak" <phi...@bex.net> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 12:33 PM > Subject: [Audyssey] Windows 7 Accessibility was VGStorm Presents Manamon,a > new fully featured RPG! > > >> Dark, >> Just in case you might want to check out, >> Windows Accessibility Options for People who Are Blind or Have Low Vision >> Windows 7 has an Ease of Access Center >> Both Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 include the Ease of Access Center. The >> simplest way to get started is by pressing and holding down the Windows >> key (located >> at the bottom left of the keyboard between the CTRL and Alt keys) while >> pressing the letter U. >> >> >> http://www.afb.org/info/living-with-vision-loss/using-technology/using-a-computer/part-ii-for-the-experienced-computer-user-with-a-new-visual-impairment/windows-accessibility-options/12345 >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 Accessibility was VGStorm Presents Manamon, a new fully featured RPG!
Hi Phil. I did find that since it is the same command as narrator, but really it wasn't that helpful with the problems my lady and I were having with random freezings. Hopefuly enes fix regarding thumnails will help. Al the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: "Phil Vlasak" <phi...@bex.net> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 12:33 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Windows 7 Accessibility was VGStorm Presents Manamon,a new fully featured RPG! Dark, Just in case you might want to check out, Windows Accessibility Options for People who Are Blind or Have Low Vision Windows 7 has an Ease of Access Center Both Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 include the Ease of Access Center. The simplest way to get started is by pressing and holding down the Windows key (located at the bottom left of the keyboard between the CTRL and Alt keys) while pressing the letter U. http://www.afb.org/info/living-with-vision-loss/using-technology/using-a-computer/part-ii-for-the-experienced-computer-user-with-a-new-visual-impairment/windows-accessibility-options/12345 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Windows 7 Accessibility was VGStorm Presents Manamon, a new fully featured RPG!
Dark, Just in case you might want to check out, Windows Accessibility Options for People who Are Blind or Have Low Vision Windows 7 has an Ease of Access Center Both Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 include the Ease of Access Center. The simplest way to get started is by pressing and holding down the Windows key (located at the bottom left of the keyboard between the CTRL and Alt keys) while pressing the letter U. http://www.afb.org/info/living-with-vision-loss/using-technology/using-a-computer/part-ii-for-the-experienced-computer-user-with-a-new-visual-impairment/windows-accessibility-options/12345 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] windows 7 sound card help
Ok I've managed to sort it out. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of john Sent: 17 July 2016 23:40 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] windows 7 sound card help Unfortunately, I can't help you with either application directly. Check through whatever options/preferences dialogs you have, and see if there's a setting such as output device or similar. -- From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_har...@btinternet.com> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 13:48 To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] windows 7 sound card help My media player I would use is Winamp. Is there a way of doing this? Sent from my iPhone > On 17 Jul 2016, at 18:33, john <jpcarnemo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > In order to do this you'd need to have the ability to change the output > device in either vipmud, or your music player. > Configure your default output device to be whichever matches an > application > that can't change its output, and set the second program to output to > whatever's left, i.e: if vipmud doesn't support changing the output > device, > set your default output to your headphones, and configure your media > player > to output to your speakers. > > -- > From: "darren harris" <darren_g_har...@btinternet.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 8:53 > To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" <gamers@audyssey.org> > Subject: [Audyssey] windows 7 sound card help > > Hi all, > > I'm wanting to somehow put vipmud through a set of USB headphones whilst > putting music through the main system. Is this even possible? If so could > someone please tell me how this could be done? > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/darren_g_harri > s%40btinternet.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] windows 7 sound card help
Unfortunately, I can't help you with either application directly. Check through whatever options/preferences dialogs you have, and see if there's a setting such as output device or similar. -- From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_har...@btinternet.com> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 13:48 To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] windows 7 sound card help My media player I would use is Winamp. Is there a way of doing this? Sent from my iPhone > On 17 Jul 2016, at 18:33, john <jpcarnemo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > In order to do this you'd need to have the ability to change the output > device in either vipmud, or your music player. > Configure your default output device to be whichever matches an > application > that can't change its output, and set the second program to output to > whatever's left, i.e: if vipmud doesn't support changing the output > device, > set your default output to your headphones, and configure your media > player > to output to your speakers. > > -- > From: "darren harris" <darren_g_har...@btinternet.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 8:53 > To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" <gamers@audyssey.org> > Subject: [Audyssey] windows 7 sound card help > > Hi all, > > I'm wanting to somehow put vipmud through a set of USB headphones whilst > putting music through the main system. Is this even possible? If so could > someone please tell me how this could be done? > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/darren_g_harri > s%40btinternet.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] windows 7 sound card help
My media player I would use is Winamp. Is there a way of doing this? Sent from my iPhone > On 17 Jul 2016, at 18:33, john <jpcarnemo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > In order to do this you'd need to have the ability to change the output > device in either vipmud, or your music player. > Configure your default output device to be whichever matches an application > that can't change its output, and set the second program to output to > whatever's left, i.e: if vipmud doesn't support changing the output device, > set your default output to your headphones, and configure your media player > to output to your speakers. > > -- > From: "darren harris" <darren_g_har...@btinternet.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 8:53 > To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" <gamers@audyssey.org> > Subject: [Audyssey] windows 7 sound card help > > Hi all, > > I'm wanting to somehow put vipmud through a set of USB headphones whilst > putting music through the main system. Is this even possible? If so could > someone please tell me how this could be done? > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/darren_g_harri > s%40btinternet.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] windows 7 sound card help
In order to do this you'd need to have the ability to change the output device in either vipmud, or your music player. Configure your default output device to be whichever matches an application that can't change its output, and set the second program to output to whatever's left, i.e: if vipmud doesn't support changing the output device, set your default output to your headphones, and configure your media player to output to your speakers. -- From: "darren harris" <darren_g_har...@btinternet.com> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 8:53 To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" <gamers@audyssey.org> Subject: [Audyssey] windows 7 sound card help Hi all, I'm wanting to somehow put vipmud through a set of USB headphones whilst putting music through the main system. Is this even possible? If so could someone please tell me how this could be done? ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/darren_g_harri s%40btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] windows 7 sound card help
Hi all, I'm wanting to somehow put vipmud through a set of USB headphones whilst putting music through the main system. Is this even possible? If so could someone please tell me how this could be done? ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/darren_g_harri s%40btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Windows 7 and games was Re: My First Impressions of Change Reaction 2 for Windows
Not only that but my Windows 7 here loves the games I have so far. I have heard however Descent into Madness will not run on Windows 7 but haven't tried it myself. Christopher Hallsworth E-mail and Facebook: challswor...@sky.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/@christopherh40 Find my blog at challsworth2.wordpress.com On 30/04/2013 09:18, shaun everiss wrote: win7 aint that bad I have a win7 unit here. true it takes a bit of getting used to, xp is the better os interface wise, however 7 is better than 8. In fact I have it in 32 bit mode with the vb6 libs loaded and have no issue at all. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 and games was Re: My First Impressions of Change Reaction 2 for Windows
well I have run tactical battle so far on 7 32 bit and the game really copes better with large maps now. I had some plugin issues with winamp easily updated the effected modules though. Trouble is finding which. I have tried swamp to and after in admin mode running the windows bat file I needed and also running the vb6 runtime installer every game I have tried so far works. Ofcause I will need to eventually load everything fully over a thing I am doing at my leasure. If I don't want to I don't. At 12:00 AM 5/1/2013, you wrote: Not only that but my Windows 7 here loves the games I have so far. I have heard however Descent into Madness will not run on Windows 7 but haven't tried it myself. Christopher Hallsworth E-mail and Facebook: challswor...@sky.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/@christopherh40 Find my blog at challsworth2.wordpress.com On 30/04/2013 09:18, shaun everiss wrote: win7 aint that bad I have a win7 unit here. true it takes a bit of getting used to, xp is the better os interface wise, however 7 is better than 8. In fact I have it in 32 bit mode with the vb6 libs loaded and have no issue at all. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 and compatibility
Just tested winfrotz TTS on my windows 7 work machine, and it seems alright, along with the new MS Anna voice, so while still haven't figured out how come it won't work on my windows XP machines, no matter what I try, it does seem to work on my windows 7 machine. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Windows 7 and compatibility Hi. well, as it looks like the netbook business will be problematic, I might considder a slimline laptop instead, however I'm concerned about program compatibility. Most audio games I've heard will run under windows 7, so that isn't a problem, niether will brouser based games be incompatible. however I'm concerned about the older If type stuff. will win frotz and wintads work under 7? and how about Dos console style programs such as fallthru, Eamon delux or world of legends? any thoughts would be much appreciated. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4735 (20100101) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4740 (20100103) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Windows 7 and compatibility
Hi. well, as it looks like the netbook business will be problematic, I might considder a slimline laptop instead, however I'm concerned about program compatibility. Most audio games I've heard will run under windows 7, so that isn't a problem, niether will brouser based games be incompatible. however I'm concerned about the older If type stuff. will win frotz and wintads work under 7? and how about Dos console style programs such as fallthru, Eamon delux or world of legends? any thoughts would be much appreciated. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 and compatibility
Some versions of windows 7 has an xp mode, that makes it possible to run programs in an xp environment. It reminds me of the command prompt in other windows versions that was intended to run dos programs among other things. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Windows 7 and compatibility Hi. well, as it looks like the netbook business will be problematic, I might considder a slimline laptop instead, however I'm concerned about program compatibility. Most audio games I've heard will run under windows 7, so that isn't a problem, niether will brouser based games be incompatible. however I'm concerned about the older If type stuff. will win frotz and wintads work under 7? and how about Dos console style programs such as fallthru, Eamon delux or world of legends? any thoughts would be much appreciated. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 and compatibility
Hi Dark, Well, I've tried Winfrotz on Windows 7, and it works fine. Not sure about the others though as I don't have them, and haven't tried them personally. Although, I certainly could install and try them for you if you need me to. dark wrote: Hi. well, as it looks like the netbook business will be problematic, I might considder a slimline laptop instead, however I'm concerned about program compatibility. Most audio games I've heard will run under windows 7, so that isn't a problem, niether will brouser based games be incompatible. however I'm concerned about the older If type stuff. will win frotz and wintads work under 7? and how about Dos console style programs such as fallthru, Eamon delux or world of legends? any thoughts would be much appreciated. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] windows 7 and games
Hey all. was trying to install games on my gf's machine and keep getting an error before the programs start. tried installing all of the conponents from bpc program's website but when installing netframework 3.5, it says i have to turn windows features on or off before configuring net framework. is there a way to fix this. this happens with ternament. tried it with treasure hunt 3.0 same thing. weird thing is, on my desktop things work fine and i upgraded it from vista a week ago. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] windows 7 and games
Hi Brandon, You should not be trying to install .NET Framework 3.5 on Windows 7. Windows 7 comes with .NET Framework 4.0 which includes backwards compatible libraries for earlier versions of the .NET Framework. So there is no need to upgrade .NET since the latest version is already installed. I can't say for certain why you are getting that error message, but I suspect you may have unintentionally messed something up by forcing older components on to the system. What all did you install? HTH Brandon Misch wrote: Hey all. was trying to install games on my gf's machine and keep getting an error before the programs start. tried installing all of the conponents from bpc program's website but when installing netframework 3.5, it says i have to turn windows features on or off before configuring net framework. is there a way to fix this. this happens with ternament. tried it with treasure hunt 3.0 same thing. weird thing is, on my desktop things work fine and i upgraded it from vista a week ago. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] windows 7 and games
i installed the programs listed on the bpc programs website. except for sapi 5.1. self destruct won't even play as well as ternament. and when i start ternament, i keep getting a runtime error. On Nov 9, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Brandon, You should not be trying to install .NET Framework 3.5 on Windows 7. Windows 7 comes with .NET Framework 4.0 which includes backwards compatible libraries for earlier versions of the .NET Framework. So there is no need to upgrade .NET since the latest version is already installed. I can't say for certain why you are getting that error message, but I suspect you may have unintentionally messed something up by forcing older components on to the system. What all did you install? HTH Brandon Misch wrote: Hey all. was trying to install games on my gf's machine and keep getting an error before the programs start. tried installing all of the conponents from bpc program's website but when installing netframework 3.5, it says i have to turn windows features on or off before configuring net framework. is there a way to fix this. this happens with ternament. tried it with treasure hunt 3.0 same thing. weird thing is, on my desktop things work fine and i upgraded it from vista a week ago. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7
Thanks. I was thinking of games by Draconis, BSC, PCS, GMA, Jim Kitchens' games, etc. Sounds good. -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 Hi Chris, Yes, but in a lot of the cases you manually have to install some missing Visual Basic 6 and DirectX components in order to get them to work. Since all of the games by Jim Kitchen, GMA Games, PCS Games, BSC Games, etc are based on Visual Basic 6 legacy libraries these need to be installed manually. One way to do this easily is by installing jim Kitchens Winkit setup from his web site. That will install any and all missing Visual Basic dependancies that no longer ship with Windows 7. As for newer games written in Java or in .NET those work really well. Depending on if the .NET based game uses DirectX 9 or XNA you will need to install Managed DirectX or the XNA Framework, but that is no biggy. Java games, such as those made by 7-128, comes with everything you need in the 7-128 Gamebook. HTH Chris Hallsworth wrote: Hello all, does anyone know if the current games out there work under Windows 7? -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7
So what performance have you noticed guys? I suspect very good, XP-like, but would still like your comments. Thanks! -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 - Original Message - From: Casey Mathews csm...@cfl.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 I have personally played Jim Kitchens games, and entombed. So far so good. Everything works in Windows 7. Casey Mathews Web Friendly Help | Demystifying Tech www.WebFriendlyHelp.com -- From: Chris Hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:11 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Windows 7 Hello all, does anyone know if the current games out there work under Windows 7? -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7
better than xp in many cases. It just doesn't lag any more when tabbing around dialogues and stuff as much as it used to. Boots very quickly. On Tue, 19 May 2009 09:44:23 +0100, Chris Hallsworth wrote: So what performance have you noticed guys? I suspect very good, XP-like, but would still like your comments. Thanks! -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 - Original Message - From: Casey Mathews csm...@cfl.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 I have personally played Jim Kitchens games, and entombed So far so good. Everything works in Windows 7. Casey Mathews Web Friendly Help | Demystifying Tech www.WebFriendlyHelp.com -- From: Chris Hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:11 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Windows 7 Hello all, does anyone know if the current games out there work under Windows 7? -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7
I tried it on a duel core system supposidly running 4 gb of ram but actually running 2.87. Couldn't really tell I was using it, but didn't use it for very long and have since uninstalled it. I was using it off of an external drive as my boot device, since my internal has too much info for any of my other drives. contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Chris Hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 So what performance have you noticed guys? I suspect very good, XP-like, but would still like your comments. Thanks! -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 - Original Message - From: Casey Mathews csm...@cfl.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 I have personally played Jim Kitchens games, and entombed. So far so good. Everything works in Windows 7. Casey Mathews Web Friendly Help | Demystifying Tech www.WebFriendlyHelp.com -- From: Chris Hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:11 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Windows 7 Hello all, does anyone know if the current games out there work under Windows 7? -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7
Nice! -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Join TAFN by visiting www.tafn.org.uk - Original Message - From: valiant8086 on braille plus valiant8...@lavabit.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 better than xp in many cases. It just doesn't lag any more when tabbing around dialogues and stuff as much as it used to. Boots very quickly. On Tue, 19 May 2009 09:44:23 +0100, Chris Hallsworth wrote: So what performance have you noticed guys? I suspect very good, XP-like, but would still like your comments. Thanks! -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 - Original Message - From: Casey Mathews csm...@cfl.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 I have personally played Jim Kitchens games, and entombed So far so good. Everything works in Windows 7. Casey Mathews Web Friendly Help | Demystifying Tech www.WebFriendlyHelp.com -- From: Chris Hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:11 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Windows 7 Hello all, does anyone know if the current games out there work under Windows 7? -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7
Hi, Smile. Yeah, sort of looks that way. Visual Basic 6 support was officially dropped back in 2005, and unfortunately most of the accessible games out there were written in that language. Even though they can be made to work on Windows 7 I don't personally see it as anything more than a stop gap method until developers can get them upgraded to .NET or something else more compatible with Vista and Windows 7. Liam Erven wrote: In other words. LWorks will have some fixin to do --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7
Hi, Yeah, basically Windows 7 is Windows Vista with several bug fixes, updated components such as Internet Explorer 8 and .NET 4.0, etc and is little more than a patched and updated Windows Vista. The point is anything specifically made for Windows Vista such as Mysteries of the Ancients beta 4 works fine on Windows 7. I should know I tested it. Smile. Constantine wrote: I'd imagine some of them do;specifically the ones made for vista. I don't think windows sevens minimum requirements (frameworks, etc) are much higher, I'm guessing USA games in particular (winks) are meant for windows Seven. Try experementing, I'm interested. contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7
How can you do that? I was told Windows can't be installed on external (both IEEE and USB) drives. -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Join TAFN by visiting www.tafn.org.uk - Original Message - From: Constantine tcwoo...@shaw.ca To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 I tried it on a duel core system supposidly running 4 gb of ram but actually running 2.87. Couldn't really tell I was using it, but didn't use it for very long and have since uninstalled it. I was using it off of an external drive as my boot device, since my internal has too much info for any of my other drives. contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Chris Hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 So what performance have you noticed guys? I suspect very good, XP-like, but would still like your comments. Thanks! -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 - Original Message - From: Casey Mathews csm...@cfl.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 I have personally played Jim Kitchens games, and entombed. So far so good. Everything works in Windows 7. Casey Mathews Web Friendly Help | Demystifying Tech www.WebFriendlyHelp.com -- From: Chris Hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:11 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Windows 7 Hello all, does anyone know if the current games out there work under Windows 7? -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7
Hi, Yeah, I've read Microsoft has removed a lot of legacy code and non-esential system services dramatically increasing over all system performance. I have a 3.6 GHZ Pentium processor on my laptop here, and Windows 7 flies on that processor. Windows Vista, which shipped with the computer, dragged everything down cutting resources in half. It is nice to know Windows 7 gives the end users system resources back or most of them back in any case. valiant8086 on braille plus wrote: better than xp in many cases. It just doesn't lag any more when tabbing around dialogues and stuff as much as it used to. Boots very quickly. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7
Hi Chris, It depends on what kind of computer you have. Some will allow you to and some won't. For some reason my laptop won't allow me to boot from a USB device, and the bios will only allow me to bboot from the dvd rom or hard drives. My desktop bios however will allow me to boot from external USB devices such as thumb drives and external hard drives so I can install Windows, Linux, whatever on that USB drive and boot from it. Another way around this is to install a boot manager on your master boot record on your hard drive that can boot or load an external operating system. For example if I installed Linux to a USB drive, if I installed grub to the mbr on the internal hard drive, it would come up on start up with a menu to load Windows from the hard drive or I could load Linux from the USB drive. HTH Chris Hallsworth wrote: How can you do that? I was told Windows can't be installed on external (both IEEE and USB) drives. -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Join TAFN by visiting www.tafn.org.uk --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7
My laptop is configured to boot from USB devices. -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Join TAFN by visiting www.tafn.org.uk - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 Hi Chris, It depends on what kind of computer you have. Some will allow you to and some won't. For some reason my laptop won't allow me to boot from a USB device, and the bios will only allow me to bboot from the dvd rom or hard drives. My desktop bios however will allow me to boot from external USB devices such as thumb drives and external hard drives so I can install Windows, Linux, whatever on that USB drive and boot from it. Another way around this is to install a boot manager on your master boot record on your hard drive that can boot or load an external operating system. For example if I installed Linux to a USB drive, if I installed grub to the mbr on the internal hard drive, it would come up on start up with a menu to load Windows from the hard drive or I could load Linux from the USB drive. HTH Chris Hallsworth wrote: How can you do that? I was told Windows can't be installed on external (both IEEE and USB) drives. -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Join TAFN by visiting www.tafn.org.uk --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Windows 7
Hello all, does anyone know if the current games out there work under Windows 7? -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7
Hi, The games written under .NET 3.5 combined with XNA, or .NET 3.5 and DirectX should work under Windows 7 with no problems. The only games that may have problems are the older games like Tank Commander which uses DirectX 8, since that is a legacy library and will have to probably be installed manually onto Windows 7. think Super Liam will have the same issue. So will Tournament and Treasure Hunt. - you get the picture. :). Munawar A. Bijani Knowledge is of two types: absorbed and heard. The heard knowledge is only useful if it is absorbed. - Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib, Nahj Al-Balagha mailto:munaw...@gmail.com http://www.bpcprograms.com - Original Message - From: Chris Hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:11 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Windows 7 Hello all, does anyone know if the current games out there work under Windows 7? -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7
I have personally played Jim Kitchens games, and entombed. So far so good. Everything works in Windows 7. Casey Mathews Web Friendly Help | Demystifying Tech www.WebFriendlyHelp.com -- From: Chris Hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:11 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Windows 7 Hello all, does anyone know if the current games out there work under Windows 7? -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7
Hi Chris, Yes, but in a lot of the cases you manually have to install some missing Visual Basic 6 and DirectX components in order to get them to work. Since all of the games by Jim Kitchen, GMA Games, PCS Games, BSC Games, etc are based on Visual Basic 6 legacy libraries these need to be installed manually. One way to do this easily is by installing jim Kitchens Winkit setup from his web site. That will install any and all missing Visual Basic dependancies that no longer ship with Windows 7. As for newer games written in Java or in .NET those work really well. Depending on if the .NET based game uses DirectX 9 or XNA you will need to install Managed DirectX or the XNA Framework, but that is no biggy. Java games, such as those made by 7-128, comes with everything you need in the 7-128 Gamebook. HTH Chris Hallsworth wrote: Hello all, does anyone know if the current games out there work under Windows 7? -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7
In other words. LWorks will have some fixin to do -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:09 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 Hi Chris, Yes, but in a lot of the cases you manually have to install some missing Visual Basic 6 and DirectX components in order to get them to work. Since all of the games by Jim Kitchen, GMA Games, PCS Games, BSC Games, etc are based on Visual Basic 6 legacy libraries these need to be installed manually. One way to do this easily is by installing jim Kitchens Winkit setup from his web site. That will install any and all missing Visual Basic dependancies that no longer ship with Windows 7. As for newer games written in Java or in .NET those work really well. Depending on if the .NET based game uses DirectX 9 or XNA you will need to install Managed DirectX or the XNA Framework, but that is no biggy. Java games, such as those made by 7-128, comes with everything you need in the 7-128 Gamebook. HTH Chris Hallsworth wrote: Hello all, does anyone know if the current games out there work under Windows 7? -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7
I'd imagine some of them do;specifically the ones made for vista. I don't think windows sevens minimum requirements (frameworks, etc) are much higher, I'm guessing USA games in particular (winks) are meant for windows Seven. Try experementing, I'm interested. contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Chris Hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Windows 7 Hello all, does anyone know if the current games out there work under Windows 7? -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] windows 7
Hi Aaron, Did you try using Vista drivers? From what I understand from reading Windows 7 drivers are basically going to be the same as Windows Vista since Windows 7 is pretty much an enhanced and fixed Windows Vista. When I put Win 7 on my laptop I installed the vista drivers and they worked fine. Valiant8086 wrote: Hi. I installed windows 7 public beta a few months ago. It works great except for lack of drivers because noone supports windows 7 yet. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] windows 7
with the devices I have, I just used vista drivers and it worked fine -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:11 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] windows 7 Hi Aaron, Did you try using Vista drivers? From what I understand from reading Windows 7 drivers are basically going to be the same as Windows Vista since Windows 7 is pretty much an enhanced and fixed Windows Vista. When I put Win 7 on my laptop I installed the vista drivers and they worked fine. Valiant8086 wrote: Hi. I installed windows 7 public beta a few months ago. It works great except for lack of drivers because noone supports windows 7 yet. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] windows 7
There aren't any vista drivers from asus for my netbook. I guess Asus figured who would want to bother using vista on a netbook, so there are no drivers except for windows xp and linux as far as I can tell. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward To: Gamers Discussion list Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] windows 7 Hi Aaron, Did you try using Vista drivers? From what I understand from reading Windows 7 drivers are basically going to be the same as Windows Vista since Windows 7 is pretty much an enhanced and fixed Windows Vista. When I put Win 7 on my laptop I installed the vista drivers and they worked fine. Valiant8086 wrote: Hi. I installed windows 7 public beta a few months ago. It works great except for lack of drivers because noone supports windows 7 yet. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090512-0, 05/12/2009 Tested on: 5/12/2009 7:50:35 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] windows 7
what I noticed when I installed windows 7 RC 1 was that it downloaded drivers for me. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Valiant8086 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 6:57 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] windows 7 There aren't any vista drivers from asus for my netbook. I guess Asus figured who would want to bother using vista on a netbook, so there are no drivers except for windows xp and linux as far as I can tell. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward To: Gamers Discussion list Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] windows 7 Hi Aaron, Did you try using Vista drivers? From what I understand from reading Windows 7 drivers are basically going to be the same as Windows Vista since Windows 7 is pretty much an enhanced and fixed Windows Vista. When I put Win 7 on my laptop I installed the vista drivers and they worked fine. Valiant8086 wrote: Hi. I installed windows 7 public beta a few months ago. It works great except for lack of drivers because noone supports windows 7 yet. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090512-0, 05/12/2009 Tested on: 5/12/2009 7:50:35 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] windows 7
I have so far found no problems with accessible games. The only thing is that for some of the games you have to run as administrator. That is, when you install a game right click the file, and go down to run as administrator. Other than that, games seem to work just fine! I have the RC of Windows 7. Casey Mathews Web Friendly Help | Demystifying Tech www.WebFriendlyHelp.com -- From: Liam Erven liamer...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 6:51 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] windows 7 Was wondering if any daring souls had tried windows 7 rc1. especially with accessible games. I am planning on installed it in a secondary partition this week, so was curious what people had found so far. I will post my findings when I can get around to updating. Liam --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] windows 7
Was wondering if any daring souls had tried windows 7 rc1. especially with accessible games. I am planning on installed it in a secondary partition this week, so was curious what people had found so far. I will post my findings when I can get around to updating. Liam --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] windows 7
Hi Liam, As far as accessible games goes on Windows 7 it is pretty much the same as installing them on Windows Vista. For older games written in Visual Basic 6 you need to manually install the Visual Basic 6 libraries using something like Jim Kitchen's Winkit setup file as Windows 7 doesn't natively ship with VB 6 support. For newer games such as my own all you need to do is install the latest DirectX runtimes which will install the Managed DirectX libraries for .NET applications. Then, they will work out of the box. Finally, if you aren't familiar with the User Account Control security introduced in Vista and Windows 7 or you have an older program that won't work with it you may need to turn it off to play certain games. While it opens up a huge security hole in your defences it is a work around for some older games that haven't yet been upgraded to be Vista and Win 7 compatible. Liam Erven wrote: Was wondering if any daring souls had tried windows 7 rc1. especially with accessible games. I am planning on installed it in a secondary partition this week, so was curious what people had found so far. I will post my findings when I can get around to updating. Liam --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] windows 7
Hi. I installed windows 7 public beta a few months ago. It works great except for lack of drivers because noone supports windows 7 yet. - Original Message - From: Liam Erven To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 6:51 PM Subject: [Audyssey] windows 7 Was wondering if any daring souls had tried windows 7 rc1. especially with accessible games. I am planning on installed it in a secondary partition this week, so was curious what people had found so far. I will post my findings when I can get around to updating. Liam --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090509-0, 05/09/2009 Tested on: 5/9/2009 11:16:58 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] windows 7
Hi. Installing GMA tank commander will also work to get the libraries in. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward To: Gamers Discussion list Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] windows 7 Hi Liam, As far as accessible games goes on Windows 7 it is pretty much the same as installing them on Windows Vista. For older games written in Visual Basic 6 you need to manually install the Visual Basic 6 libraries using something like Jim Kitchen's Winkit setup file as Windows 7 doesn't natively ship with VB 6 support. For newer games such as my own all you need to do is install the latest DirectX runtimes which will install the Managed DirectX libraries for .NET applications. Then, they will work out of the box. Finally, if you aren't familiar with the User Account Control security introduced in Vista and Windows 7 or you have an older program that won't work with it you may need to turn it off to play certain games. While it opens up a huge security hole in your defences it is a work around for some older games that haven't yet been upgraded to be Vista and Win 7 compatible. Liam Erven wrote: Was wondering if any daring souls had tried windows 7 rc1. especially with accessible games. I am planning on installed it in a secondary partition this week, so was curious what people had found so far. I will post my findings when I can get around to updating. Liam --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090509-0, 05/09/2009 Tested on: 5/9/2009 11:17:05 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Windows 7 gaming was Rail Racing for speed junkies.
Hi Trouble, In many cases that is true. I know when I upgraded one of my Vista computers to Windows 7 public beta 1 it ran a heck of a lot smoother and more stable than Windows Vista. Plus they finally fixed there driver database issues in Windows 7 which is a relief. As far as getting Jim Kitchens games to run on Windows 7 they seam to be running just fine. I'm not sure if that is because I ran the upgrade over Vista or if Windows 7 still has some essential backwards compatibility support, but they are working on public beta 1 at least. The newer BSC games that were upgraded to Vista, the GMA Games, etc are also working. From what I can tell if they work ok on Vista they should work ok on Windows 7 provided you have the complete VB 6 libraries installed, and the older DirectX 8 libraries installed. Trouble wrote: took all the upgrades, even upped my hardware devices. because the more stable the box can be the better it runs. had a few viruses and dealt with them no biggy. however, to do this stuff you have to be on the web for more then just email. Would like to see if someone can get your games running on windows 7. That would be interesting to see what is supported there. At 03:50 AM 2/1/2009, you wrote: Hi Thomas, Thank you for sharing with me what works for you on your computers. You know I have been running one computer or another since 1980. I have never had a virus, never had a hard drive crash, never had to redo a hard drive, I almost never have to reboot either of the computers that I am running currently and the only time that I have had to use the XP roll back feature has been after I have up dated a windows component. So I may not run my computers the same way that you do, but what I do seems to work pretty darn well for me. Thanks again. BFN Jim C. E. O. Kitchen's Inc. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Tim trouble Verizon FIOS support tech Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 gaming was Rail Racing for speed junkies.
Hi. GMA tank commander appears to have done the work by itself. I couldn't run a vb6 program, monkey Term, so I installed GTC, and boom, gtc worked, as did monkey term. So I'm pretty sure at least that particular audio game will take care of that for you. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward To: Gamers Discussion list Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Windows 7 gaming was Rail Racing for speed junkies. Hi Trouble, In many cases that is true. I know when I upgraded one of my Vista computers to Windows 7 public beta 1 it ran a heck of a lot smoother and more stable than Windows Vista. Plus they finally fixed there driver database issues in Windows 7 which is a relief. As far as getting Jim Kitchens games to run on Windows 7 they seam to be running just fine. I'm not sure if that is because I ran the upgrade over Vista or if Windows 7 still has some essential backwards compatibility support, but they are working on public beta 1 at least. The newer BSC games that were upgraded to Vista, the GMA Games, etc are also working. From what I can tell if they work ok on Vista they should work ok on Windows 7 provided you have the complete VB 6 libraries installed, and the older DirectX 8 libraries installed. Trouble wrote: took all the upgrades, even upped my hardware devices. because the more stable the box can be the better it runs. had a few viruses and dealt with them no biggy. however, to do this stuff you have to be on the web for more then just email. Would like to see if someone can get your games running on windows 7. That would be interesting to see what is supported there. At 03:50 AM 2/1/2009, you wrote: Hi Thomas, Thank you for sharing with me what works for you on your computers. You know I have been running one computer or another since 1980. I have never had a virus, never had a hard drive crash, never had to redo a hard drive, I almost never have to reboot either of the computers that I am running currently and the only time that I have had to use the XP roll back feature has been after I have up dated a windows component. So I may not run my computers the same way that you do, but what I do seems to work pretty darn well for me. Thanks again. BFN Jim C. E. O. Kitchen's Inc. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Tim trouble Verizon FIOS support tech Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 gaming was Rail Racing for speed junkies.
Hi, That is pretty much what I figured. When I ran the Windos 7 upgrade on my Vista laptop, which of course had already had games on it, I discovered everything still worked. I figured it was simply a matter of installing one of the GMA Games or Jim Kitchen's winkit setup to set Windows 7 right. Until your message I couldn't confirm this was the case, because my system already had the libraries installed before doing the upgrade so it wasn't like a from scratch install of Windows 7 for me. I'm glad the games still work when you do a from scratch instal of the os. Valiant8086 wrote: Hi. GMA tank commander appears to have done the work by itself. I couldn't run a vb6 program, monkey Term, so I installed GTC, and boom, gtc worked, as did monkey term. So I'm pretty sure at least that particular audio game will take care of that for you. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 gaming was Rail Racing for speed junkies.
Hi. Nod, my installation, just so we're sure we're on the same page, does happen to be a fresh installation. I have it dual booting with windows xp on a netbook. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward To: Gamers Discussion list Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 gaming was Rail Racing for speed junkies. Hi, That is pretty much what I figured. When I ran the Windos 7 upgrade on my Vista laptop, which of course had already had games on it, I discovered everything still worked. I figured it was simply a matter of installing one of the GMA Games or Jim Kitchen's winkit setup to set Windows 7 right. Until your message I couldn't confirm this was the case, because my system already had the libraries installed before doing the upgrade so it wasn't like a from scratch install of Windows 7 for me. I'm glad the games still work when you do a from scratch instal of the os. Valiant8086 wrote: Hi. GMA tank commander appears to have done the work by itself. I couldn't run a vb6 program, monkey Term, so I installed GTC, and boom, gtc worked, as did monkey term. So I'm pretty sure at least that particular audio game will take care of that for you. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 gaming was Rail Racing for speed junkies.
Hi, Smile. We are on the same page. Between the both of us we have pretty much ruled out any major problems in the future for accessible gaming. My big fear was when Microsoft announced dropping Visual Basic support in Windows 7 it was going to be a pain to get games working. As it turns out as long as you have something like Winkit, one of the GMA Games, it works fine. Plus Mysteries iof the Ancients is already Windows 7 compatible, because I have already ran it on Windows 7 of course. Valiant8086 wrote: Hi. Nod, my installation, just so we're sure we're on the same page, does happen to be a fresh installation. I have it dual booting with windows xp on a netbook. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 gaming was gamebooks of Arborell
well thats good news. I think hardware wise I should be set then. At 04:50 p.m. 30/12/2008, you wrote: Hi Shaun, I know. I use Winkit all of the time for fixing the broken VB 6 installs on my Vista system. The point I was trying to make is by and large Microsoft has cleaned out most of the libraries that most audio games need by default. I think it is possible to get them running by tracking down the missing dependancies and installing them on Windows 7. On the other hand the pre-beta copy I have installed on my test box looks promising in other areas. Some say it runs faster than Vista, but I put the system requirements generally about the same. If you have an up to date 3 GHZ system and 1 GB of Ram running Vista Windows 7 will run great on that box. Install it on a 1 GHZ system with 512 MB of RAM and it runs, but not as well as XP under the same conditions. Though it is a slight improvement over Vista. The big change my wife tells me is the graphics technology looks a lot smoother and natural. It also does cool things like making other windows invisible when you open a new window. Instead of that stupid sidebar seen in Vista the gadgets are now on the desktop and are actually easier to get to with Window Eyes 7.01. The thing I really like about the Windows 7 pre-beta is I can fully customize the heck out of user account control. Under Vista whatever settings MS gave you were pretty much stuck with. They finally listened to somebody and now you can configure your security level for user account control to let applications and other things through that Vista won't let you do. One of them is allowing games to save to their install directories instead of locally to your user account. Amen! shaun everiss wrote: well the winkit zipfile jim kitchen has has most of what you need. I have the complete vb6sp6 runtimes on me to. I also have the complete sapi 5.1 systems to, though realspeak has everything to. At 08:52 a.m. 30/12/2008, you wrote: Hi Trenton, Yes, I have. I did manage to get ahold of the Windows 7 early beta and things are not looking too good for the majority of accessible games. The Windows 7 beta release I tested did not ship with any VB 6 support at all natively. That means the majority of the accessible games out there from GMA, Jim Kitchen, BSC, L-Works, DanZ Games, and so on are not going to work out of the box with Windows 7. I'm sorry to say unless those developers are willing to put the time and money into going to something like VB .NET. Those games are going to be difficult to get running on Windows 7, and you basically have to force a full VB 6 runtime install on there and hope it all works when Win 7 is finally released. On the bright side those developers who have walked away from VB and are using .NET technologies should be good to go. Rail Racer current demo worked fine on Windows 7 once you installed a copy of the managed DirectX libraries and .NET Framework 1.1. The 3D Volocity game by BPC Programs also worked ok. All of the USA Games products are being made Windows 7 ready. Beyond that have fun installing and fiddling with VB 6 libraries trying to get them to run properly. Trenton Matthews wrote: Just wait til Windows Seven comes out. Not liking the results for it. By the way, I hear the Windows Seven start up sound is quite strange. From a gaming perspective, has anyone tried Windows Seven beta with any of the blind friendly games out there yet? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 gaming was gamebooks of Arborell
Thanks for letting me know about that. I wonder if Draconis Entertaiment will be making their games Windows 7 compatible starting in 2009 as well. -- From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:52 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Windows 7 gaming was gamebooks of Arborell Hi Trenton, Yes, I have. I did manage to get ahold of the Windows 7 early beta and things are not looking too good for the majority of accessible games. The Windows 7 beta release I tested did not ship with any VB 6 support at all natively. That means the majority of the accessible games out there from GMA, Jim Kitchen, BSC, L-Works, DanZ Games, and so on are not going to work out of the box with Windows 7. I'm sorry to say unless those developers are willing to put the time and money into going to something like VB .NET. Those games are going to be difficult to get running on Windows 7, and you basically have to force a full VB 6 runtime install on there and hope it all works when Win 7 is finally released. On the bright side those developers who have walked away from VB and are using .NET technologies should be good to go. Rail Racer current demo worked fine on Windows 7 once you installed a copy of the managed DirectX libraries and .NET Framework 1.1. The 3D Volocity game by BPC Programs also worked ok. All of the USA Games products are being made Windows 7 ready. Beyond that have fun installing and fiddling with VB 6 libraries trying to get them to run properly. Trenton Matthews wrote: Just wait til Windows Seven comes out. Not liking the results for it. By the way, I hear the Windows Seven start up sound is quite strange. From a gaming perspective, has anyone tried Windows Seven beta with any of the blind friendly games out there yet? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 gaming was gamebooks of Arborell
well the winkit zipfile jim kitchen has has most of what you need. I have the complete vb6sp6 runtimes on me to. I also have the complete sapi 5.1 systems to, though realspeak has everything to. At 08:52 a.m. 30/12/2008, you wrote: Hi Trenton, Yes, I have. I did manage to get ahold of the Windows 7 early beta and things are not looking too good for the majority of accessible games. The Windows 7 beta release I tested did not ship with any VB 6 support at all natively. That means the majority of the accessible games out there from GMA, Jim Kitchen, BSC, L-Works, DanZ Games, and so on are not going to work out of the box with Windows 7. I'm sorry to say unless those developers are willing to put the time and money into going to something like VB .NET. Those games are going to be difficult to get running on Windows 7, and you basically have to force a full VB 6 runtime install on there and hope it all works when Win 7 is finally released. On the bright side those developers who have walked away from VB and are using .NET technologies should be good to go. Rail Racer current demo worked fine on Windows 7 once you installed a copy of the managed DirectX libraries and .NET Framework 1.1. The 3D Volocity game by BPC Programs also worked ok. All of the USA Games products are being made Windows 7 ready. Beyond that have fun installing and fiddling with VB 6 libraries trying to get them to run properly. Trenton Matthews wrote: Just wait til Windows Seven comes out. Not liking the results for it. By the way, I hear the Windows Seven start up sound is quite strange. From a gaming perspective, has anyone tried Windows Seven beta with any of the blind friendly games out there yet? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 gaming was gamebooks of Arborell
Hi Shaun, I know. I use Winkit all of the time for fixing the broken VB 6 installs on my Vista system. The point I was trying to make is by and large Microsoft has cleaned out most of the libraries that most audio games need by default. I think it is possible to get them running by tracking down the missing dependancies and installing them on Windows 7. On the other hand the pre-beta copy I have installed on my test box looks promising in other areas. Some say it runs faster than Vista, but I put the system requirements generally about the same. If you have an up to date 3 GHZ system and 1 GB of Ram running Vista Windows 7 will run great on that box. Install it on a 1 GHZ system with 512 MB of RAM and it runs, but not as well as XP under the same conditions. Though it is a slight improvement over Vista. The big change my wife tells me is the graphics technology looks a lot smoother and natural. It also does cool things like making other windows invisible when you open a new window. Instead of that stupid sidebar seen in Vista the gadgets are now on the desktop and are actually easier to get to with Window Eyes 7.01. The thing I really like about the Windows 7 pre-beta is I can fully customize the heck out of user account control. Under Vista whatever settings MS gave you were pretty much stuck with. They finally listened to somebody and now you can configure your security level for user account control to let applications and other things through that Vista won't let you do. One of them is allowing games to save to their install directories instead of locally to your user account. Amen! shaun everiss wrote: well the winkit zipfile jim kitchen has has most of what you need. I have the complete vb6sp6 runtimes on me to. I also have the complete sapi 5.1 systems to, though realspeak has everything to. At 08:52 a.m. 30/12/2008, you wrote: Hi Trenton, Yes, I have. I did manage to get ahold of the Windows 7 early beta and things are not looking too good for the majority of accessible games. The Windows 7 beta release I tested did not ship with any VB 6 support at all natively. That means the majority of the accessible games out there from GMA, Jim Kitchen, BSC, L-Works, DanZ Games, and so on are not going to work out of the box with Windows 7. I'm sorry to say unless those developers are willing to put the time and money into going to something like VB .NET. Those games are going to be difficult to get running on Windows 7, and you basically have to force a full VB 6 runtime install on there and hope it all works when Win 7 is finally released. On the bright side those developers who have walked away from VB and are using .NET technologies should be good to go. Rail Racer current demo worked fine on Windows 7 once you installed a copy of the managed DirectX libraries and .NET Framework 1.1. The 3D Volocity game by BPC Programs also worked ok. All of the USA Games products are being made Windows 7 ready. Beyond that have fun installing and fiddling with VB 6 libraries trying to get them to run properly. Trenton Matthews wrote: Just wait til Windows Seven comes out. Not liking the results for it. By the way, I hear the Windows Seven start up sound is quite strange. From a gaming perspective, has anyone tried Windows Seven beta with any of the blind friendly games out there yet? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
Hey thanks for this Thomas, this ought to be handy as I am considering setting up my spare box as a Linux machine. It would be interesting to know if there are folks out there particularly blind ones who are just running Linux. What I tend to find with the people that I know around here who run it is that they tend to have a Linux system and a windows system or two partitions on the same system. This is because they want to run Linux when they can and they need to have windows to run a specific application or do something that can't be done very well in Linux. Now that I think of it I believe that you fall into that camp yourself if memory serves. So what if anything do you find Windows to be indispensable for? I have personally become so disgusted with Microsoft's policies and lack of quality control that when the stuff I have will no longer run I will probably be looking for a serious alternative to Windows. Best regards, Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista Hi Louis, Darragh has some very good audio podcasts on installing Linux, configuring orca, and an an introduction to the Gnome graphical desktop. His Ubuntu 8.04 step by step installation podcast is the best I have heard yet. To get his audio tutorials go to http://www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp and download the audio tutorials you think might be interesting. Cheers. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Any guides out there for a blind person to install and use Linux? I'd like to get a Linux distribution running on my computer, and Oralux doesn't seem to no longer be supported. HTH/. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
Hi Louis, Darragh has some very good audio podcasts on installing Linux, configuring orca, and an an introduction to the Gnome graphical desktop. His Ubuntu 8.04 step by step installation podcast is the best I have heard yet. To get his audio tutorials go to http://www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp and download the audio tutorials you think might be interesting. Cheers. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Any guides out there for a blind person to install and use Linux? I'd like to get a Linux distribution running on my computer, and Oralux doesn't seem to no longer be supported. HTH/. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
Hi Thomas, There was a new walkthrough released just last night, detailing the installation of open suse 11.0, and showing the new, accessible boot menu. Aiden - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista Hi Louis, Darragh has some very good audio podcasts on installing Linux, configuring orca, and an an introduction to the Gnome graphical desktop. His Ubuntu 8.04 step by step installation podcast is the best I have heard yet. To get his audio tutorials go to http://www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp and download the audio tutorials you think might be interesting. Cheers. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Any guides out there for a blind person to install and use Linux? I'd like to get a Linux distribution running on my computer, and Oralux doesn't seem to no longer be supported. HTH/. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
hi Least when apple release an OS they get it right, I happy I no longer use windows anymore it a waste of time lol On 3 Aug 2008, at 03:13, Charles Rivard wrote: Based on their past releases, shouldn't they just wait until 2012 and get it right the first time rather than rushing it as they always seem to do? I know that service packs and patches usually clear up a lot of issues, and maybe those issues did not crop up during testing and such, but they sure have sold garbage, only to have to clear up problems later. I have seen games for the blind being sold that, for the most part, run fairly well when they are first made available to us because, in part, the beta testing, and in part, the work that went into them before testers even started. The time should be taken to get things right the first time, or at least close. This goes for any product. Customers will remember. --- Pretty is as pretty does - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista Hi Kevin, Well, Microsoft's best estimates say Windows 7 will be released in late 2010. Although, if they encounter issues, bugs, whatever they may push the release date back into 2011. Given ssuch a short development cycle between Vista and Windows 7 it sounds to me like Windows 7 is basically going to be a service release of Windows. That means it it will be Vista with patches and a slightly modified user interface. No big deal. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
Hi Kevin, Thanks, I didn't think that there were games like Puppy1 or Homer on a Harley out there. Other than Monopoly version 8 Puppy1 and Homer on a Harley were my last two projects. So at least I am trying to give us new, exciting and different games to play. BFN - Original Message - Hi, I never heard from a game like homer on a harley like. And Puppy1? I really don't know. Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u Jim Blue Ribbon Turkey = A Pabst Blue Ribbon beer and a shot of Wild Turkey bourbon. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
Hi Munawar, Well, from a programming standpoint DirectSound was replaced by XAudio2 in the March 2008 DirectX SDK, and DirectSound was placed in the deprecated list of development libraries for DirectX. What this means for developers like you and I DirectSound will likely be kept in the runtime releases for XP/Vista/Win 7 for backward compatibility purposes, but future DirectSound development is scheduled to be removed from the SDK as soon as XAudio2 gets wider adoption by software developers. As for the diferences between XNA and DirectSound it does depend on if you are using the managed XNA Framework or the unmanaged C++ libraries. If you are using the unmanaged XAudio2 library for C++ developers then it offers something similar to DirectSound. However, if you use the XNA Framework for Managed .NET developers then you are getting an extremely watered down SDK, and it doesn't have anything close to DirectSound features yet. In fact, your point about being watered down is the primary reason Microsoft added XAudio2 to the March 2008 SDK. Apparently many mainstream game developers complained about XAudio for their PC games, wanting something like DirectSound, so Microsoft added XAudio2 which is now a core part of the DirectX/XNA API for C++ developers. If you read all the release notes for DirectX it is pretty evident Microsoft is redesigning DirectX, and XAudio2 is going to be a core part of Windows 7, and DirectSound will likely be their for backward compatibility purposes only. That is my take on it. Munawar Bijani wrote: Hi, Is XNA really replacing DirectX in Windows 7? As far as I've heard about XNA--I haven't fiddled with the API at all--is that it lacks the powerful DirectSound capabilities because it's cross platform between Windows and XBOX; since XBOX isn't a full computing system, XNA had to be watered down to make it run on XBOX. As we know all too well, the limiting agent is the component that determines how much solution can be made. So if XNA really is replacing DirectX in Windows 7, that could mean bad news for developers. Munawar A. Bijani Are you certain you will awaken from bed tomorrow? Never assume something of which you lack strong knowledge. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bpcprograms.com/ --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
Hi Claudio, I don't know. There are a lot of development similarities between games for the XBox 360 and Windows Vista/Windows 7. They both use XNA, they both use the .NET Framework, and the both are a type of Winhdows platform. One major diference is that the XBox games are designed with XInput game controllers for the XBox and the PC versions obviously use keyboards and mice. So in order to run a XBox 360 game on Windows you would probably have to have an XBox 360 game controller hooked up to your PC. Since I don't writeXBox 360 games I don't know what is involved in making games for the XBox other than the libraries that are used on the XBox. Claudio wrote: Hello Thomas! Is it also possible to play XBoxGames on windows 7? Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
Hi Charles, It would be nice if Microsoft waited until their Windows releases were relatively stable before release, but their history has proven they always do otherwise. In 1995 Microsoft launched Windows 95 which was extremely unstable, was well known for major system crashes, and still used the Dos fat16 file system. In 1997 Microsoft rereleased Windows 95 with fat32 file system support, several bug fixes, an upgraded Internet Explorer, and generally was much more stable and dependable. In 1998 they launched Windows 98. Like 95 it had several bugs, constantly crashed, and was not a stable release. In 1999 Microsoft released Windows 98 SE which addressed and largely fixed bugs and issues in 98 classic. In 2001 MS released Windows XP which had many issues that wer addressed in service pack 1. In 2007 Microsoft released Vista which definitely had many bugs that took them a year to correct in service pack 1, and still not all of the issues have been fixed yet. Bottom line Microsoft is well known for rushing software releases, and then fix the products the best they can at some later point. Usually one or two years of extra work would have produced a solid and stable release. In fact, Microsoft's lack of software quality control is one reason I have stopped recommending, supporting, and buying their products. in general. When Apple released OS Leopard it was a rock solid, dependable, and powerful os with none of the bugs we see in Windows Vista. When Ubuntu released Ubuntu Linux 8.04 I haven't found many bugs in the operating system itself. Orca sometimes crashes unexpectedly, but it is no problem to restart Orca and continue on my way. I don't lose all of my data like I often do in Vista when the entire os crashes. Bottom line here is that Microsoft is this huge, well known, popular software company who is allowed to repeatedly to sell extremely buggy,unstable, and undependable software products. Everyone else like Apple, Ubuntu Linux, Sun Solaris, etc do their best to make their operating systems stable, dependable, and as bug free as possible before they are released to the general public. Why everyone buys Microsoft stuff when they fail time and time again to address stability and errors early on is a mystery. There are more stable operating systems out there such as Mac OS Leopard, but the general public pays them no mind. I must shake my head in utter confusion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Jason, Quote If you're planning to program for multiple platforms, you're better off with another language however. Don't be fooled, the cross platform support early on in .NET is just smoke and mirrors. End quote What do you mean it is just smoke and mirrors? I'm using Mono 2 for Ubuntu Linux and the applications I am writing using it are very compatible with .NET Framework 2.0, 3.0, and 3.5 for Windows. I have written a handful of .NET applications that work very well both on Linux and Windows without major changes in the application source code. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
I seem to remember that they unveiled Windows 98 and it crashed right on National TV, although I can't remember on what program or network. I only remember my mom telling my dad about it. It actually made me laugh. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista Hi Charles, It would be nice if Microsoft waited until their Windows releases were relatively stable before release, but their history has proven they always do otherwise. In 1995 Microsoft launched Windows 95 which was extremely unstable, was well known for major system crashes, and still used the Dos fat16 file system. In 1997 Microsoft rereleased Windows 95 with fat32 file system support, several bug fixes, an upgraded Internet Explorer, and generally was much more stable and dependable. In 1998 they launched Windows 98. Like 95 it had several bugs, constantly crashed, and was not a stable release. In 1999 Microsoft released Windows 98 SE which addressed and largely fixed bugs and issues in 98 classic. In 2001 MS released Windows XP which had many issues that wer addressed in service pack 1. In 2007 Microsoft released Vista which definitely had many bugs that took them a year to correct in service pack 1, and still not all of the issues have been fixed yet. Bottom line Microsoft is well known for rushing software releases, and then fix the products the best they can at some later point. Usually one or two years of extra work would have produced a solid and stable release. In fact, Microsoft's lack of software quality control is one reason I have stopped recommending, supporting, and buying their products. in general. When Apple released OS Leopard it was a rock solid, dependable, and powerful os with none of the bugs we see in Windows Vista. When Ubuntu released Ubuntu Linux 8.04 I haven't found many bugs in the operating system itself. Orca sometimes crashes unexpectedly, but it is no problem to restart Orca and continue on my way. I don't lose all of my data like I often do in Vista when the entire os crashes. Bottom line here is that Microsoft is this huge, well known, popular software company who is allowed to repeatedly to sell extremely buggy,unstable, and undependable software products. Everyone else like Apple, Ubuntu Linux, Sun Solaris, etc do their best to make their operating systems stable, dependable, and as bug free as possible before they are released to the general public. Why everyone buys Microsoft stuff when they fail time and time again to address stability and errors early on is a mystery. There are more stable operating systems out there such as Mac OS Leopard, but the general public pays them no mind. I must shake my head in utter confusion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That was the show called CNet for some it came on USA channel over cable. At 09:20 AM 8/3/2008, you wrote: I seem to remember that they unveiled Windows 98 and it crashed right on National TV, although I can't remember on what program or network. I only remember my mom telling my dad about it. It actually made me laugh. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista Hi Charles, It would be nice if Microsoft waited until their Windows releases were relatively stable before release, but their history has proven they always do otherwise. In 1995 Microsoft launched Windows 95 which was extremely unstable, was well known for major system crashes, and still used the Dos fat16 file system. In 1997 Microsoft rereleased Windows 95 with fat32 file system support, several bug fixes, an upgraded Internet Explorer, and generally was much more stable and dependable. In 1998 they launched Windows 98. Like 95 it had several bugs, constantly crashed, and was not a stable release. In 1999 Microsoft released Windows 98 SE which addressed and largely fixed bugs and issues in 98 classic. In 2001 MS released Windows XP which had many issues that wer addressed in service pack 1. In 2007 Microsoft released Vista which definitely had many bugs that took them a year to correct in service pack 1, and still not all of the issues have been fixed yet. Bottom line Microsoft is well known for rushing software releases, and then fix the products the best they can at some later point. Usually one or two years of extra work would have produced a solid and stable release. In fact, Microsoft's lack of software quality control is one reason I have stopped recommending, supporting, and buying their products. in general. When Apple released OS Leopard it was a rock solid, dependable, and powerful os with none of the bugs we see in Windows Vista. When Ubuntu released Ubuntu Linux 8.04 I haven't found many bugs in the operating system itself. Orca sometimes crashes unexpectedly, but it is no problem to restart Orca and continue on my way. I don't lose all of my data like I often do in Vista when the entire os crashes. Bottom line here is that Microsoft is this huge, well known, popular software company who is allowed to repeatedly to sell extremely buggy,unstable, and undependable software products. Everyone else like Apple, Ubuntu Linux, Sun Solaris, etc do their best to make their operating systems stable, dependable, and as bug free as possible before they are released to the general public. Why everyone buys Microsoft stuff when they fail time and time again to address stability and errors early on is a mystery. There are more stable operating systems out there such as Mac OS Leopard, but the general public pays them no mind. I must shake my head in utter confusion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3317 (20080801) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Oh yeah. I think I remember now. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Trouble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista That was the show called CNet for some it came on USA channel over cable. At 09:20 AM 8/3/2008, you wrote: I seem to remember that they unveiled Windows 98 and it crashed right on National TV, although I can't remember on what program or network. I only remember my mom telling my dad about it. It actually made me laugh. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista Hi Charles, It would be nice if Microsoft waited until their Windows releases were relatively stable before release, but their history has proven they always do otherwise. In 1995 Microsoft launched Windows 95 which was extremely unstable, was well known for major system crashes, and still used the Dos fat16 file system. In 1997 Microsoft rereleased Windows 95 with fat32 file system support, several bug fixes, an upgraded Internet Explorer, and generally was much more stable and dependable. In 1998 they launched Windows 98. Like 95 it had several bugs, constantly crashed, and was not a stable release. In 1999 Microsoft released Windows 98 SE which addressed and largely fixed bugs and issues in 98 classic. In 2001 MS released Windows XP which had many issues that wer addressed in service pack 1. In 2007 Microsoft released Vista which definitely had many bugs that took them a year to correct in service pack 1, and still not all of the issues have been fixed yet. Bottom line Microsoft is well known for rushing software releases, and then fix the products the best they can at some later point. Usually one or two years of extra work would have produced a solid and stable release. In fact, Microsoft's lack of software quality control is one reason I have stopped recommending, supporting, and buying their products. in general. When Apple released OS Leopard it was a rock solid, dependable, and powerful os with none of the bugs we see in Windows Vista. When Ubuntu released Ubuntu Linux 8.04 I haven't found many bugs in the operating system itself. Orca sometimes crashes unexpectedly, but it is no problem to restart Orca and continue on my way. I don't lose all of my data like I often do in Vista when the entire os crashes. Bottom line here is that Microsoft is this huge, well known, popular software company who is allowed to repeatedly to sell extremely buggy,unstable, and undependable software products. Everyone else like Apple, Ubuntu Linux, Sun Solaris, etc do their best to make their operating systems stable, dependable, and as bug free as possible before they are released to the general public. Why everyone buys Microsoft stuff when they fail time and time again to address stability and errors early on is a mystery. There are more stable operating systems out there such as Mac OS Leopard, but the general public pays them no mind. I must shake my head in utter confusion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3317 (20080801) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
For a while the people had no choice in Microsoft products at least in ops, because they had contracts with all major manufacturers to be the op of PC's sold in stores and by dealers. Now we do have some what of a choice. At 08:47 AM 8/3/2008, you wrote: Hi Charles, It would be nice if Microsoft waited until their Windows releases were relatively stable before release, but their history has proven they always do otherwise. In 1995 Microsoft launched Windows 95 which was extremely unstable, was well known for major system crashes, and still used the Dos fat16 file system. In 1997 Microsoft rereleased Windows 95 with fat32 file system support, several bug fixes, an upgraded Internet Explorer, and generally was much more stable and dependable. In 1998 they launched Windows 98. Like 95 it had several bugs, constantly crashed, and was not a stable release. In 1999 Microsoft released Windows 98 SE which addressed and largely fixed bugs and issues in 98 classic. In 2001 MS released Windows XP which had many issues that wer addressed in service pack 1. In 2007 Microsoft released Vista which definitely had many bugs that took them a year to correct in service pack 1, and still not all of the issues have been fixed yet. Bottom line Microsoft is well known for rushing software releases, and then fix the products the best they can at some later point. Usually one or two years of extra work would have produced a solid and stable release. In fact, Microsoft's lack of software quality control is one reason I have stopped recommending, supporting, and buying their products. in general. When Apple released OS Leopard it was a rock solid, dependable, and powerful os with none of the bugs we see in Windows Vista. When Ubuntu released Ubuntu Linux 8.04 I haven't found many bugs in the operating system itself. Orca sometimes crashes unexpectedly, but it is no problem to restart Orca and continue on my way. I don't lose all of my data like I often do in Vista when the entire os crashes. Bottom line here is that Microsoft is this huge, well known, popular software company who is allowed to repeatedly to sell extremely buggy,unstable, and undependable software products. Everyone else like Apple, Ubuntu Linux, Sun Solaris, etc do their best to make their operating systems stable, dependable, and as bug free as possible before they are released to the general public. Why everyone buys Microsoft stuff when they fail time and time again to address stability and errors early on is a mystery. There are more stable operating systems out there such as Mac OS Leopard, but the general public pays them no mind. I must shake my head in utter confusion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3317 (20080801) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Bryan, It sure did. I was attending Wright State University for my Computer Science degree att the time, and I can remember someone recorded it for computer and telecommunication services as a demo for next years network upgrades. Needless to say none of the CATS techs were to happy about that famous Windows 98 crash caught on national TV. As for myself I laughed my butt off. Bryan Peterson wrote: I seem to remember that they unveiled Windows 98 and it crashed right on National TV, although I can't remember on what program or network. I only remember my mom telling my dad about it. It actually made me laugh. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Trouble, Well, what I meant to say is that I am confused as to wwhy people continue to buy Microsoft products. Yeah, I know full well in the mid 90's up until the last few years there wasn't much of a choice. However, that has changed now, but most people are not willing to switch even though they know Microsoft's stuff is not very stable, and takes various service packs and updates before it really becomes reliable. I guess it really comes down to the common psychilogical problem we all have is we hate change. We hate to learn something new, and you can't teach an old dog new tricks kind of thing going on. We are creatures of habit, and it takes something really major to change those hhabits. Trouble wrote: For a while the people had no choice in Microsoft products at least in ops, because they had contracts with all major manufacturers to be the op of PC's sold in stores and by dealers. Now we do have some what of a choice. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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When was windows 3.1 released? Is there any screen readers that worked with windows 3.1? Are there still people who use windows 3.1 today? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:48 PM To: Charles Rivard; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista Hi Charles, It would be nice if Microsoft waited until their Windows releases were relatively stable before release, but their history has proven they always do otherwise. In 1995 Microsoft launched Windows 95 which was extremely unstable, was well known for major system crashes, and still used the Dos fat16 file system. In 1997 Microsoft rereleased Windows 95 with fat32 file system support, several bug fixes, an upgraded Internet Explorer, and generally was much more stable and dependable. In 1998 they launched Windows 98. Like 95 it had several bugs, constantly crashed, and was not a stable release. In 1999 Microsoft released Windows 98 SE which addressed and largely fixed bugs and issues in 98 classic. In 2001 MS released Windows XP which had many issues that wer addressed in service pack 1. In 2007 Microsoft released Vista which definitely had many bugs that took them a year to correct in service pack 1, and still not all of the issues have been fixed yet. Bottom line Microsoft is well known for rushing software releases, and then fix the products the best they can at some later point. Usually one or two years of extra work would have produced a solid and stable release. In fact, Microsoft's lack of software quality control is one reason I have stopped recommending, supporting, and buying their products. in general. When Apple released OS Leopard it was a rock solid, dependable, and powerful os with none of the bugs we see in Windows Vista. When Ubuntu released Ubuntu Linux 8.04 I haven't found many bugs in the operating system itself. Orca sometimes crashes unexpectedly, but it is no problem to restart Orca and continue on my way. I don't lose all of my data like I often do in Vista when the entire os crashes. Bottom line here is that Microsoft is this huge, well known, popular software company who is allowed to repeatedly to sell extremely buggy,unstable, and undependable software products. Everyone else like Apple, Ubuntu Linux, Sun Solaris, etc do their best to make their operating systems stable, dependable, and as bug free as possible before they are released to the general public. Why everyone buys Microsoft stuff when they fail time and time again to address stability and errors early on is a mystery. There are more stable operating systems out there such as Mac OS Leopard, but the general public pays them no mind. I must shake my head in utter confusion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Nicol, Windows 3.1 was released around 1993. As for screen readers for 3.1 there was Jaws for Windows 1.x, Jaws 2.0, and Slimware Window Bridge. I believe the first versions of Window Eyes came out around that time as well. As for the question, is anyone still running it, I certainly hope not. We are talking about a Windows interface that ran over MS Dos 6, and was designed for I286, I386, and I486 computers. We are talking slower than a turtle with three broken legs, and hard drives that were 100 to 500 MB if you were lucky. As far as memory goes if you had 4 MB of ram in your computer back then you were like a computer god. Most were lucky to have 1 MB ram. Grin. nicol wrote: When was windows 3.1 released? Is there any screen readers that worked with windows 3.1? Are there still people who use windows 3.1 today? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No, its the fact that at least 60% of the computer users are mousers, and don't know how to type. they were taught how just did think they would use or need it down the road. And the fact that linix is command line mostly and that kills if for those that don't like typing or don't spell. They get to hate that frays Bad command or file name, over and over. At 01:19 PM 8/3/2008, you wrote: Hi Trouble, Well, what I meant to say is that I am confused as to wwhy people continue to buy Microsoft products. Yeah, I know full well in the mid 90's up until the last few years there wasn't much of a choice. However, that has changed now, but most people are not willing to switch even though they know Microsoft's stuff is not very stable, and takes various service packs and updates before it really becomes reliable. I guess it really comes down to the common psychilogical problem we all have is we hate change. We hate to learn something new, and you can't teach an old dog new tricks kind of thing going on. We are creatures of habit, and it takes something really major to change those hhabits. Trouble wrote: For a while the people had no choice in Microsoft products at least in ops, because they had contracts with all major manufacturers to be the op of PC's sold in stores and by dealers. Now we do have some what of a choice. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3317 (20080801) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
Hi Trouble, Not true. Many Linux distributions such as Ubuntu are just as graphical as Windows. Both the KDE and Gnome desktops resembles MS Windows in a lot of ways.it is safe to say anyone who can use MS Windows can easily use a Linux distribution such as Ubuntu without too much of a learning curve. You click on Computer and it brings up a file explorer like My Computer, click on the Gnome application button on the main pannel and you get a start menu, click on home and you get your personal directories, etc. This stuff isn't rocket science. The mere fact you stated that Linux is mostly command line driven just proves my point how wofully uneducated people are about other operating systems, and they certainly haven't been keeping up to date with changes in technology outside of the Windows only world. Fact is all three of the major operating systems Linux, Windows, and Mac OS have about equal graphical user interfaces with screen readers that work with them. I do know there are some users, such as those on the speakup list, that still are die-hard Linux command line users. Do remember it is their choice to use a command line only environment, and not a technological reason. A Linux user such as myself can quite easily live without the command line for most things. Trouble wrote: No, its the fact that at least 60% of the computer users are mousers, and don't know how to type. they were taught how just did think they would use or need it down the road. And the fact that linix is command line mostly and that kills if for those that don't like typing or don't spell. They get to hate that frays Bad command or file name, over and over. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
Hi. Any guides out there for a blind person to install and use Linux? I'd like to get a Linux distribution running on my computer, and Oralux doesn't seem to no longer be supported. HTH/. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista Hi Trouble, Well, what I meant to say is that I am confused as to wwhy people continue to buy Microsoft products. Yeah, I know full well in the mid 90's up until the last few years there wasn't much of a choice. However, that has changed now, but most people are not willing to switch even though they know Microsoft's stuff is not very stable, and takes various service packs and updates before it really becomes reliable. I guess it really comes down to the common psychilogical problem we all have is we hate change. We hate to learn something new, and you can't teach an old dog new tricks kind of thing going on. We are creatures of habit, and it takes something really major to change those hhabits. Trouble wrote: For a while the people had no choice in Microsoft products at least in ops, because they had contracts with all major manufacturers to be the op of PC's sold in stores and by dealers. Now we do have some what of a choice. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 6:59 PM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
most stuff is writen for microsoft, and everything business has traditionally been ms. these things are hard to break. In india they are linux based. And well. At 05:19 a.m. 4/08/2008, you wrote: Hi Trouble, Well, what I meant to say is that I am confused as to wwhy people continue to buy Microsoft products. Yeah, I know full well in the mid 90's up until the last few years there wasn't much of a choice. However, that has changed now, but most people are not willing to switch even though they know Microsoft's stuff is not very stable, and takes various service packs and updates before it really becomes reliable. I guess it really comes down to the common psychilogical problem we all have is we hate change. We hate to learn something new, and you can't teach an old dog new tricks kind of thing going on. We are creatures of habit, and it takes something really major to change those hhabits. Trouble wrote: For a while the people had no choice in Microsoft products at least in ops, because they had contracts with all major manufacturers to be the op of PC's sold in stores and by dealers. Now we do have some what of a choice. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
you'd think so. Unfortunately most devs, excluding the new ones that have come in the last year or 2 and even then some of those including the old ones use old tech. Some are trying to upgrade others are not bothered to do that right now and others can't be bothered at all. Its the nature of the beast. We have been able to use old tech for ages and we can see no point of changing it. ANd if we are forced to, we generally find ways to well do that lagit or otherwise. But if the libs go, well it will get harder and harder for the stuff to go on. Much of the reason that the old guys have not been left in the dust is there are vary few newbys round that are willing to start from the ground up in some of the advanced languages and new tech. I am not taking this out on any dev rather am using the general mood of the list over the years. Its my opinion that we will never be quite ahead with the tech that exists. Understandable but still. So what is the worse that can happen? Well a load of companies will either have to upgrade or dissapear alltogether. I have invisioned sometime dreamed about what the blind gaming industry would be in 100 years. Then I think of the freenet revolution. Companies thinking of having free networks for the internet, etc. The moddel didn't work, additional costs and other things made it really a non proffit thing probably costing more than it should or could and no way to recoop even with payed support, adds, etc. I think there is a danger that blind gaming will die all together if something is not done and soon. Ok I aggree that in the shortfall we may see a reduction but unless something happens soon well no gaming market. its not really a money maker most should know this by now. In the short term there may be a way with older hardware and coppys of old oses, ebay and other things, I hope myself to buy large quantities of systems at some stage so I can still use things. However xp drivers will not come as readily as needed and new drivers for new hardware, well good luck for that now. So we are left with old hardware. That means that its eventually going to get almost impossible to get it. I have a couple systems meaning I probably can continue for a number of years. If I play my cards right i probably can get an old desktop I have with the required system loaded on it. But that is not going to last me all my life, well it may do but still. So at some point something will have to give or we will have to do something. Truth is we don't need much to crash the entire market. We don't get much stimulation, I mean when has the last game come out which is not the same as all the others and when one has how long has it all lasted. I hoped that we would manage to get longside the sighted gaming industry but that may never happen. At 01:23 p.m. 2/08/2008, you wrote: Tom: You wrote: Also for us programmers they are of course going to be removing many of the older libraries that have been around for ages, that are no longer needed, and are replacing them with the updated .NET Framework, XNA is going to basically replace DirectX as the core gaming API, and various other changes that are available for Vista, but weren't necessarily ready to ship with Vista last year. For example the XAudio2 library was just released this year, and now officially replaces DirectSound in Windows 7, but was in development and testing stages when Vista hit the seen.So DirectSound was used instead on Vista. Is this a good thing for designers of games for the blind and for players of such games? Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Shaun, I'm just curious, what games are Puppy1 like? and what games are Homer on a Harley like? Thanks - Original Message - you'd think so. Unfortunately most devs, excluding the new ones that have come in the last year or 2 and even then some of those including the old ones use old tech. Some are trying to upgrade others are not bothered to do that right now and others can't be bothered at all. Its the nature of the beast. We have been able to use old tech for ages and we can see no point of changing it. ANd if we are forced to, we generally find ways to well do that lagit or otherwise. But if the libs go, well it will get harder and harder for the stuff to go on. Much of the reason that the old guys have not been left in the dust is there are vary few newbys round that are willing to start from the ground up in some of the advanced languages and new tech. I am not taking this out on any dev rather am using the general mood of the list over the years. Its my opinion that we will never be quite ahead with the tech that exists. Understandable but still. So what is the worse that can happen? Well a load of companies will either have to upgrade or dissapear alltogether. I have invisioned sometime dreamed about what the blind gaming industry would be in 100 years. Then I think of the freenet revolution. Companies thinking of having free networks for the internet, etc. The moddel didn't work, additional costs and other things made it really a non proffit thing probably costing more than it should or could and no way to recoop even with payed support, adds, etc. I think there is a danger that blind gaming will die all together if something is not done and soon. Ok I aggree that in the shortfall we may see a reduction but unless something happens soon well no gaming market. its not really a money maker most should know this by now. In the short term there may be a way with older hardware and coppys of old oses, ebay and other things, I hope myself to buy large quantities of systems at some stage so I can still use things. However xp drivers will not come as readily as needed and new drivers for new hardware, well good luck for that now. So we are left with old hardware. That means that its eventually going to get almost impossible to get it. I have a couple systems meaning I probably can continue for a number of years. If I play my cards right i probably can get an old desktop I have with the required system loaded on it. But that is not going to last me all my life, well it may do but still. So at some point something will have to give or we will have to do something. Truth is we don't need much to crash the entire market. We don't get much stimulation, I mean when has the last game come out which is not the same as all the others and when one has how long has it all lasted. I hoped that we would manage to get longside the sighted gaming industry but that may never happen. Jim If it doesn't say Kitchen's Inc on it. Someone else made it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
Hi, I never heard from a game like homer on a harley like. And Puppy1? I really don't know. Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
Hi Shaun, Well, it is my experience most blind users will hang on to their XP and Vista machines for several years yet. Just because Windows 7 is bringing in a bunch of new changes it won't spell the end of blind audio gaming, because blind computer users have always been slow to change to the latest software releases. Part of it is lack of money and part is simply feeling no need to change when what they have is working fine already. Some of the developers such as myself have been looking at what we can do to prepare for changes in technology trends. As for myself I am currently working with C-Sharp and the .NET 2.0 platform since it is universally supported on Mac, Linux, and Windows. I also have decided to drop DirectX and XNA altogether and use SDL.NET as an alternative. It just may be that open source technologies will prove more stable than commercial APIs driven by Microsoft's desire to make everything compatible with the XBox 360. Also do remember some game companies like 7128 are using Java as their core game language. I suspect their games will work fine on Windows 7 as it is Sun's job to make sure the Java runtime specifications run correctly on Windows 7 while at the same time making sure the same Java application runs the same on every operating system Java is supported on. What I am saying is some day the VB 6 programers that wish to write games specifically for Windows 7 will need to change the APIs and programming languages they use. I suspect most will switch to something like VB 2008 and SDL.NET which works very nicely together. Though, I haven't been able to write something quite as complex as Shades of Doom using SDL as there are some limitations in 3d audio support in SDL right now. I am hoping to write a 3d wrapper for the pan controls to at least fake it. Smile. shaun everiss wrote: you'd think so. Unfortunately most devs, excluding the new ones that have come in the last year or 2 and even then some of those including the old ones use old tech. Some are trying to upgrade others are not bothered to do that right now and others can't be bothered at all. Its the nature of the beast. We have been able to use old tech for ages and we can see no point of changing it. ANd if we are forced to, we generally find ways to well do that lagit or otherwise. But if the libs go, well it will get harder and harder for the stuff to go on. Much of the reason that the old guys have not been left in the dust is there are vary few newbys round that are willing to start from the ground up in some of the advanced languages and new tech. I am not taking this out on any dev rather am using the general mood of the list over the years. Its my opinion that we will never be quite ahead with the tech that exists. Understandable but still. So what is the worse that can happen? Well a load of companies will either have to upgrade or dissapear alltogether. I have invisioned sometime dreamed about what the blind gaming industry would be in 100 years. Then I think of the freenet revolution. Companies thinking of having free networks for the internet, etc. The moddel didn't work, additional costs and other things made it really a non proffit thing probably costing more than it should or could and no way to recoop even with payed support, adds, etc. I think there is a danger that blind gaming will die all together if something is not done and soon. Ok I aggree that in the shortfall we may see a reduction but unless something happens soon well no gaming market. its not really a money maker most should know this by now. In the short term there may be a way with older hardware and coppys of old oses, ebay and other things, I hope myself to buy large quantities of systems at some stage so I can still use things. However xp drivers will not come as readily as needed and new drivers for new hardware, well good luck for that now. So we are left with old hardware. That means that its eventually going to get almost impossible to get it. I have a couple systems meaning I probably can continue for a number of years. If I play my cards right i probably can get an old desktop I have with the required system loaded on it. But that is not going to last me all my life, well it may do but still. So at some point something will have to give or we will have to do something. Truth is we don't need much to crash the entire market. We don't get much stimulation, I mean when has the last game come out which is not the same as all the others and when one has how long has it all lasted. I hoped that we would manage to get longside the sighted gaming industry but that may never happen. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
Hi, When cames the newst windows version out? Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
The windows 7 will come out in 2010. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
Hi And what want to be the new features? Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
Hi Kevin, Well, Microsoft's best estimates say Windows 7 will be released in late 2010. Although, if they encounter issues, bugs, whatever they may push the release date back into 2011. Given ssuch a short development cycle between Vista and Windows 7 it sounds to me like Windows 7 is basically going to be a service release of Windows. That means it it will be Vista with patches and a slightly modified user interface. No big deal. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
Hi, Is XNA really replacing DirectX in Windows 7? As far as I've heard about XNA--I haven't fiddled with the API at all--is that it lacks the powerful DirectSound capabilities because it's cross platform between Windows and XBOX; since XBOX isn't a full computing system, XNA had to be watered down to make it run on XBOX. As we know all too well, the limiting agent is the component that determines how much solution can be made. So if XNA really is replacing DirectX in Windows 7, that could mean bad news for developers. Munawar A. Bijani Are you certain you will awaken from bed tomorrow? Never assume something of which you lack strong knowledge. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bpcprograms.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Demetry Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 9:18 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista The windows 7 will come out in 2010. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
Based on their past releases, shouldn't they just wait until 2012 and get it right the first time rather than rushing it as they always seem to do? I know that service packs and patches usually clear up a lot of issues, and maybe those issues did not crop up during testing and such, but they sure have sold garbage, only to have to clear up problems later. I have seen games for the blind being sold that, for the most part, run fairly well when they are first made available to us because, in part, the beta testing, and in part, the work that went into them before testers even started. The time should be taken to get things right the first time, or at least close. This goes for any product. Customers will remember. --- Pretty is as pretty does - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista Hi Kevin, Well, Microsoft's best estimates say Windows 7 will be released in late 2010. Although, if they encounter issues, bugs, whatever they may push the release date back into 2011. Given ssuch a short development cycle between Vista and Windows 7 it sounds to me like Windows 7 is basically going to be a service release of Windows. That means it it will be Vista with patches and a slightly modified user interface. No big deal. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
Hi guys. I'm developing my RPG in XNA using .NET 3.5. As a developer, fighting change is pointless. You're better off embracing the new technology because it's only going to get progressively worse the longer you resist. DirectX has given way to XNA and XNA is a marvelous technology. If you're planning to program for multiple platforms, you're better off with another language however. Don't be fooled, the cross platform support early on in .NET is just smoke and mirrors. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
Tom: You wrote: Also for us programmers they are of course going to be removing many of the older libraries that have been around for ages, that are no longer needed, and are replacing them with the updated .NET Framework, XNA is going to basically replace DirectX as the core gaming API, and various other changes that are available for Vista, but weren't necessarily ready to ship with Vista last year. For example the XAudio2 library was just released this year, and now officially replaces DirectSound in Windows 7, but was in development and testing stages when Vista hit the seen.So DirectSound was used instead on Vista. Is this a good thing for designers of games for the blind and for players of such games? Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Windows 7 versus Vista
Hi Charles, Like anything else it is a double edged sword. In terms of technology improvements XAudio2 has many advantages over DirectSound such as better 3d audio support, the ability to load and play wma files as well as wav files, etc. However, for the several games still using DirectSound 8 such as GMA's Games, Jim Kitchen's games, BSC's games, etc it is going to hurt them since DirectSound backward compatible libs may not be in the final Windows 7 release. I am hoping they offer some sort of older DirectX DirectSound compatibility, but we won't know for sure until Win 7 comes out. Besides that VB 6 support is totally gone from Windows 7. The XNA stuff is only supported through C++ and the .NET languages. If they are still using something like VB 6 they have no access to the XNA libraries. Which is another reason why these changes are bad for audio game programmers. As for myself I am now looking to the open source community for alternatives to XNA and DirectX. I am currently working on incorperating SDL.NET 6.1.0 into all of my current game projects. It is actually light years easier to program with than either Microsoft game APIs, and I like the fact I can use it to make games for Mac and Linux as well as Windows. Charles Rivard wrote: Tom: You wrote: Also for us programmers they are of course going to be removing many of the older libraries that have been around for ages, that are no longer needed, and are replacing them with the updated .NET Framework, XNA is going to basically replace DirectX as the core gaming API, and various other changes that are available for Vista, but weren't necessarily ready to ship with Vista last year. For example the XAudio2 library was just released this year, and now officially replaces DirectSound in Windows 7, but was in development and testing stages when Vista hit the seen.So DirectSound was used instead on Vista. Is this a good thing for designers of games for the blind and for players of such games? Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
