Re: Pdf, eps, ps? (Was: xcf -- eps)
Hi all, and to make it somewhat easier: pdflatex??? There is an interesting alternative to LaTeX called ConTeXt. Look at http://www.pragma-ade.nl for some examples what you can do with ConTeXt. It's very easy to produce good looking PDF documents with interactivity. So my proposed environment: gimp for pixel graphics sketch, (illustrator on mac) for vector graphics and mpost for scripted graphics in ConTeXt (look for metafun on pragma-ade) ConTeXt (with pdftex) for composing and setting text Yes! ConTeXt looked really promising. Beautiful stuff, even had pdf inline links working... I've got to check that out... /Carl-Johan "Without followers, evil cannot spread." -- Spock, "And The Children Shall Lead", stardate 5029.5 ICQ# 2357535 http://come.to/woc/ http://wlug.westbo.se/ -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GSS/CS/P d(++,--)--- s-: a--- C(,!) UL+++ P+++$ L++ E-$ W++(@) N? o? K? w-- !O M- V? PS++(@) PE- Y? PGP?++ t-++ 5?+++ X+ R- tv-! b DI++ D+ G e$ h--(+,) r(+++,---) y+** --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Re: Pdf, eps, ps? (Was: xcf -- eps)
On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Robert Schiffers wrote: searching in the direction of illustrator i would like to promote "sketch" again. it's certainly not the perfect tool with all functions like some of the classic window/mac stuff, but it's quit promissing. it can combine pixel/vector graphics with simple text etc. it uses layers and it has an pdf export filter. perhaps that's what your looking for? http://sketch.sourceforge.net/ Yes, but now I remember why I never got to install sketch. It's a mess to get to work! I requires python (no worries, I have that), but also PIL, some python-library to work with images. I couldn't get PIL to compile properly, and at least didn't immeadeately find a binary package of it, so sketch fell on that too... Too bad. Anyone can guide me? /Carl-Johan "Without followers, evil cannot spread." -- Spock, "And The Children Shall Lead", stardate 5029.5 ICQ# 2357535 http://come.to/woc/ http://wlug.westbo.se/ -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GSS/CS/P d(++,--)--- s-: a--- C(,!) UL+++ P+++$ L++ E-$ W++(@) N? o? K? w-- !O M- V? PS++(@) PE- Y? PGP?++ t-++ 5?+++ X+ R- tv-! b DI++ D+ G e$ h--(+,) r(+++,---) y+** --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Re: Pdf, eps, ps? (Was: xcf -- eps)
Hi James, all, On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, James Smaby wrote: I typeset all of my things with plain TeX. This is much nastier than LaTeX, but I learned it in a year or so. I also use ps2pdf quite often on the output, so that I can print from window boxes in the labs, and the output is just fine. The main problem with the postscript output is that the fonts are bitmaps, so you only have a set resolution. [snip] Interesting. You sound like a real pro, handcarving TeX doesn't sound easy. Maybe though... But you say that the fonts are bitmap? I didn't knew that. If you want to see the conversion in action, I have a few docs on my web site which I've used these different methods: http://virgo.umeche.maine.edu/thesis/source http://virgo.umeche.maine.edu/graph_paper http://virgo.umeche.maine.edu/homework http://virgo.umeche.maine.edu/labs http://virgo.umeche.maine.edu/quaternian http://virgo.umeche.maine.edu/photos/chemistry_awards/postscript They use TeX/metapost, TeX/xfig, TeX/gimp, metapost, and xfig. I'll check them out, thanks. My xpdf doesn't display the fonts of TeX quite right and AFAIK gv only supports 16 colors but everything prints out perfect and displays right in Windows. What's wrong with acrobat reader under linux? So my recomendation is to bite the bullet and learn how how to typeset. It really isn't that bad, and your results will be so much more beautiful than anything that Distiller puts out. Hope this email wasn't too long... No, your email was just perfectly informing. BTW, I hope not all others on the list mind that much this forum being used as a general "doing graphics under linux" forum? Well, interesting tips. Thanks. /Carl-Johan Sveningsson "Without followers, evil cannot spread." -- Spock, "And The Children Shall Lead", stardate 5029.5 ICQ# 2357535 http://come.to/woc/ http://wlug.westbo.se/ -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GSS/CS/P d(++,--)--- s-: a--- C(,!) UL+++ P+++$ L++ E-$ W++(@) N? o? K? w-- !O M- V? PS++(@) PE- Y? PGP?++ t-++ 5?+++ X+ R- tv-! b DI++ D+ G e$ h--(+,) r(+++,---) y+** --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Re: Pdf, eps, ps? (Was: xcf -- eps)
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Carl-Johan Sveningsson wrote: Yes, but now I remember why I never got to install sketch. It's a mess to get to work! Yup. Been there, done that. Check out xfig (http://www.xfig.org). A pleasure to install and use, especially for those of us who used the DOS products: DrawPerfect and Presentations. Rich Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM) Making environmentally-responsible mining happen. (SM) 2404 SW 22nd Street | Troutdale, OR 97060-1247 | U.S.A. + 1 503-667-4517 (voice) | + 1 503-667-8863 (fax) | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pdf, eps, ps? (Was: xcf -- eps)
Carl-Johan Sveningsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Robert Schiffers wrote: searching in the direction of illustrator i would like to promote "sketch" again. it's certainly not the perfect tool with all functions like some of the classic window/mac stuff, but it's quit promissing. it can combine pixel/vector graphics with simple text etc. it uses layers and it has an pdf export filter. perhaps that's what your looking for? http://sketch.sourceforge.net/ Yes, but now I remember why I never got to install sketch. It's a mess to get to work! I requires python (no worries, I have that), but also PIL, some python-library to work with images. I couldn't get PIL to compile properly, and at least didn't immeadeately find a binary package of it, so sketch fell on that too... Well, installing PIL is indeed the hardest part in getting Sketch to work. If you tell what went wrong when you tried to compile PIL, I could perhaps help you. Note also that some Linux distributions include Sketch (and therefore also PIL), e.g. SuSE 7.0, Mandrake 7.0 and Debian (the most obvious exception being Red Hat), and that there are some pointers to PIL packages Sketch's webpage. -- Bernhard Herzog | Sketch, a drawing program for Unix [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://sketch.sourceforge.net/
Re: Pdf, eps, ps? (Was: xcf -- eps)
PDF would be great, so what I now wonder, how good is really ps2pdf? It can't be Adobe Distiller but does it even does the work properly? Are vector-graphics converted to bitmaps somwhere in the process? I typeset all of my things with plain TeX. This is much nastier than LaTeX, but I learned it in a year or so. I also use ps2pdf quite often on the output, so that I can print from window boxes in the labs, and the output is just fine. The main problem with the postscript output is that the fonts are bitmaps, so you only have a set resolution. I set my default to 2400 dpi which is as good as any printer I've ever seen. Postscript figures are kept as postscript, though. You can use xfig to get your images, but I prefer using metapost (which is scriptable). You can use Gimp for making bitmaps as well, but you need a fast computer to work with the kind of resolution you will want (the file size is huge since postscript isn't compressed). Imagine a 4x4" picture with 1200 dpi resolution; that's 19200x19200 pixels, and thus hard on your computer. Of course if you only want greyscale it's not as bad (postscript does support color though). Next would be the ps2pdf conversion. This is good, although I think it only supports something like 600 dpi. Any vector input is not converted to bitmap, so resolution is only a problem with TeX and gimp input (most people post documents on the web at 300 dpi, so resolution isn't really a problem at all). pdf does use compression, so your big file sizes will be chopped down a bit. If you want to see the conversion in action, I have a few docs on my web site which I've used these different methods: http://virgo.umeche.maine.edu/thesis/source http://virgo.umeche.maine.edu/graph_paper http://virgo.umeche.maine.edu/homework http://virgo.umeche.maine.edu/labs http://virgo.umeche.maine.edu/quaternian http://virgo.umeche.maine.edu/photos/chemistry_awards/postscript They use TeX/metapost, TeX/xfig, TeX/gimp, metapost, and xfig. My xpdf doesn't display the fonts of TeX quite right and AFAIK gv only supports 16 colors but everything prints out perfect and displays right in Windows. So my recomendation is to bite the bullet and learn how how to typeset. It really isn't that bad, and your results will be so much more beautiful than anything that Distiller puts out. Hope this email wasn't too long... -James Smaby
Re: Pdf, eps, ps? (Was: xcf -- eps)
hi there don't know what kind of data you want to add to your pdf files, but what about Ghostscript? it hink it does a good job in converting *.ps into a lot of formats, includiding pdf. robert Ok, my point seemingly didn't make it through...when saying "portable documents", I was more aiming for the pdf graphically-, layout-portable than a multiplatform-, readable-on-all-platforms-portable. You get my point? How can I in a good way under linux (with gimp?) create portable text/graphical productions? /Carl-Johan
Re: Pdf, eps, ps? (Was: xcf -- eps)
hi there Hello. don't know what kind of data you want to add to your pdf files, but Different stuff. Pixmap images, vectorized ones... One of the important things is that netscape does a crappy job in printing images, you can't have resolutions greater than 72 dpi, is it? Gimp in turn does a crappy job in setting text, if I want reasonably good resolution in the text too, the filesize will be totally unacceptable. what about Ghostscript? it hink it does a good job in converting *.ps into a lot of formats, includiding pdf. Maybe. I honestly don't know. All I've seen is that it seems to do roughly what it's supposed to do. Umm...or, ok, I haven't touched Ghostscript, I was talking about ps2pdf... ps2pdf converts raw ps to pdf, but for example, you get no proper a4-format or anything, the ps is usually stripped down without margins to the largest object to be printed. Also, I get the feeling that ps2pdf doesn't use _any_ of the extended features I believe are present in pdf, thus does a crappy job. I don't even know if it's possible to control resolution in ps-embedded pixmaps, but I suppose it is, since it is in LaTeX anyway... How does Ghostscript work? But still presents the problem of producing a nice ps then. Typesetting in LyX *shiver* or LaTeX _is_ possible. But it's not nice. Yes, what I'm looking for _is_ something like Illustrator/PageMaker/Distiller...It's aiming very high, but sad as it is, from your replies, nothing such seems to be present under linux (for free at least), only hard-to-use, crappy, half-way solutions are? I *can* live with that, don't misinterpret me, I was just pushing it to see if maybe someone maybe knew better than me and could give us all some hope. Thank you all. /Carl-Johan -- "...you look strong enough to pull the ears off a Gundark." ICQ# 2357535 http://come.to/woc/ http://wlug.westbo.se/ -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GSS/CS/P d(++,--)--- s-: a--- C(,!) UL+++ P+++$ L++ E-$ W++(@) N? o? K? w-- !O M- V? PS++(@) PE- Y? PGP?++ t-++ 5?+++ X+ R- tv-! b DI++ D+ G e$ h--(+,) r(+++,---) y+** --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Re: Pdf, eps, ps? (Was: xcf -- eps)
Carl-Johan Sveningsson wrote: Well, it may sound confused, and is only sligthly gimp-related (it's my favourite tool), but can someone inform me of the best way to create _good_ portable documents, preferrably under linux, preferrably without spending thousands of bucks on Adobe software? ASCII text. you wouldn't want to trade the box for what's in it, would you? Umm..."trade the box for..."? Ok, my point seemingly didn't make it through...when saying "portable documents", I was more aiming for the pdf graphically-, layout-portable than a multiplatform-, readable-on-all-platforms-portable. You get my point? How can I in a good way under linux (with gimp?) create portable text/graphical productions? I would say you will come closest to meeting both portability issues by using html. -- Until later: Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." - Albert Einstein
Re: Pdf, eps, ps? (Was: xcf -- eps)
searching in the direction of illustrator i would like to promote "sketch" again. it's certainly not the perfect tool with all functions like some of the classic window/mac stuff, but it's quit promissing. it can combine pixel/vector graphics with simple text etc. it uses layers and it has an pdf export filter. perhaps that's what your looking for? http://sketch.sourceforge.net/ have fun with linux robert Carl-Johan Sveningsson wrote: I'm looking for _is_ something like Illustrator/PageMaker/Distiller...It's aiming very high, but sad as it is, from your replies, nothing such seems to be present under linux (for free at least), only hard-to-use, crappy, half-way solutions are? I *can* live with that, don't misinterpret me, I was just pushing it to see if maybe someone maybe knew better than me and could give us all some hope. Thank you all. /Carl-Johan
Re: Pdf, eps, ps? (Was: xcf -- eps)
Searching Freshmeat on "pdf" gives alot of different pdf things. There is a pdflib with lots of documentation (if you can code). I got this link from the front page of Freshmeat this weekend, the "Panda PDF Generator". I haven't compiled it yet, and there isn't much online documentation. But there you have it. http://www.stillhq.com/panda/index.htm -- __ __ __| \/ |___ If the facts don't fit the theory, / _| |\/| (_- change the facts. \__|_| |_/__/ -- Albert Einstein
Re: Pdf, eps, ps? (Was: xcf -- eps)
uli wrote on Mon, 09 Okt 2000: Carl-Johan Sveningsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But still presents the problem of producing a nice ps then. Typesetting in LyX *shiver* or LaTeX _is_ possible. But it's not nice. Yes, what I'm looking for _is_ something like Illustrator/PageMaker/Distiller...It's aiming very high, but sad as it is, from your replies, nothing such seems to be present under linux (for free at least), only hard-to-use, crappy, half-way solutions are? pdftex? and to make it somewhat easier: pdflatex??? There is an interesting alternative to LaTeX called ConTeXt. Look at http://www.pragma-ade.nl for some examples what you can do with ConTeXt. It's very easy to produce good looking PDF documents with interactivity. So my proposed environment: gimp for pixel graphics sketch, (illustrator on mac) for vector graphics and mpost for scripted graphics in ConTeXt (look for metafun on pragma-ade) ConTeXt (with pdftex) for composing and setting text Hope this helps Uwe -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://rcswww.urz.tu-dresden.de/~koloska/ ---- right now the web page is in german only but this will change as time goes by ;-)
Re: Pdf, eps, ps? (Was: xcf -- eps)
Well, it may sound confused, and is only sligthly gimp-related (it's my favourite tool), but can someone inform me of the best way to create _good_ portable documents, preferrably under linux, preferrably without spending thousands of bucks on Adobe software? ASCII text. you wouldn't want to trade the box for what's in it, would you? Umm..."trade the box for..."? Ok, my point seemingly didn't make it through...when saying "portable documents", I was more aiming for the pdf graphically-, layout-portable than a multiplatform-, readable-on-all-platforms-portable. You get my point? How can I in a good way under linux (with gimp?) create portable text/graphical productions? /Carl-Johan "Succumb to natural tendencies. Be hateful and boring." ICQ# 2357535 http://come.to/woc/ http://wlug.westbo.se/ -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GSS/CS/P d(++,--)--- s-: a--- C(,!) UL+++ P+++$ L++ E-$ W++(@) N? o? K? w-- !O M- V? PS++(@) PE- Y? PGP?++ t-++ 5?+++ X+ R- tv-! b DI++ D+ G e$ h--(+,) r(+++,---) y+** --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Re: Pdf, eps, ps? (Was: xcf -- eps)
You may want to try the lyx document processor to compose your document www.lyx.org. Lyx can import your gimp file so long as it is saved as an EPS. When the document is complete save as postscript, then use the ps2pdf utility to turn it into a pdf. With the right preamble and structure you can even get the navigation pane working on your pdf documents. Another alternative would be to check out htmldoc, this programme will convert your html documents to pdf documents www.easysw.com - Original Message - From: "Carl-Johan Sveningsson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "clemensF" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 11:32 AM Subject: Re: Pdf, eps, ps? (Was: xcf -- eps) Well, it may sound confused, and is only sligthly gimp-related (it's my favourite tool), but can someone inform me of the best way to create _good_ portable documents, preferrably under linux, preferrably without spending thousands of bucks on Adobe software? ASCII text. you wouldn't want to trade the box for what's in it, would you? Umm..."trade the box for..."? Ok, my point seemingly didn't make it through...when saying "portable documents", I was more aiming for the pdf graphically-, layout-portable than a multiplatform-, readable-on-all-platforms-portable. You get my point? How can I in a good way under linux (with gimp?) create portable text/graphical productions? /Carl-Johan "Succumb to natural tendencies. Be hateful and boring." ICQ# 2357535 http://come.to/woc/ http://wlug.westbo.se/ -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GSS/CS/P d(++,--)--- s-: a--- C(,!) UL+++ P+++$ L++ E-$ W++(@) N? o? K? w-- !O M- V? PS++(@) PE- Y? PGP?++ t-++ 5?+++ X+ R- tv-! b DI++ D+ G e$ h--(+,) r(+++,---) y+** --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
