Re: [Gimp-user] Wacom pens with rotation supported ?
2012/5/15 Gwenouille for...@gimpusers.com: OK, thanks a lot ! I've got almost all my questions answered now ! Last one would be : why can't i use the wheel on my airbrush... but that's a different subject ! It should work, provided there is at least one box checked in the Wheel column of the mapping matrix of your current paint dynamics. No predefined dynamics has that, thus you must create a new one. Then, if it still doesn't work, you should fill a bug. -- Olivier Lecarme ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior
Count me in too. Here's my point of view: every sane app out there uses Save, Save as... and Export for a conventional and now well assumed behaviour: “Save” means “overwrite the original file”, period (it turns itself into Save as... when the file is new and has never been saved). “Save as…” means “save to a new file with a different name and/or format”. “Export” means “put the contents of the current document in a file of a nature this app isn’t intended to handle”. (At the same time “Import” means “bring data from an alien file and convert it into what this app is intended to handle”.) For instance, saving a spreadsheet to a text file or a word processing document to a non-editable file format (PDF or picture). In the Gimp, Export should be reserved for PDF, ASCII art or any other file type that isn’t a picture. And these are the meanings every well designed app uses and for a good reason: the basis of the WIMP paradigm is that once you learn what basic UI idioms mean, you don’t have to relearn them for the next app. The overwrite solution is a sorry workaround for a problem that didn't exist. Telling users this app is not for you is beyond elitist. In the case of the Gimp, which is still vying for a place in the professional arena, it's plain ridiculous. Are you guys really trying to put away a big portion of your comparatively minuscule user base??? Really??? Finally, may I ask the devs who was asking them for this change? Can you guys point to bugs, forum or mailing lists posts asking to please change the old behavior? Can you just prove the need for this beyond your own personal preferences or agenda for pushing XCF? For a long while, FLOSS applications have been accused of ignoring usability issues. Suddenly it seems developers are overreacting to that and so we saw the coming of Gnome Shell. Now the GIMP too??? Now you will get nasty-grams telling you that your workflow is unsafe or that you should be looking for an alternative to GIMP or that .xcf files are obviously the only choice for professionals and just about any other nonsense the developers use to justify what is obviously a self serving design change that they don't know how to back away from without losing face. BTW: I agree with your sentiments 100%. Red_Chaos1 wrote: Count me on this. The previous behavior of Save/Save As was just fine. Save As did exactly what Export is doing now, without giving me grief over me format choice. Reason around it and praise the change as the holy frail if you want, it's still retarded and makes no sense. Save As doesn't overwrite the existing image, so there is no reason for the program to force this silly assed Export function on me or anyone else. Avoiding accidental overwrite using Save is avoided with a quick are you sure? dialog. Pushing this whole new system feels like training wheels to me. Assuming I'm not smart enough to not goof my own work. Nevermind the preview function is apparently broken in the Export dialog. I went to save a small image as jpg in it, and it tells me the resulting file will be 1.3GB in size. In reality it ends up 193KB. 2.6 didn't have these issues. 2.6 worked in a fashion that made sense. Maybe I'll just go back to 2.6. :-/ -- Sicofante (via gimpusers.com) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Question About Gimp
I tried to get into the IRC to ask this question but I kept getting a 404 message. My question isis filling with transparent the same as tinting? (explanation: In the image editor that Photobucket used to have I could change the color of something in a picture without losing the original shading, etc. They no longer have that image editor so I am looking for an Open Source program that is easy to use and has that feature.). Candy cjhe...@msn.com ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Question About Gimp
2012/5/15 Candy cjhe...@msn.com: I tried to get into the IRC to ask this question but I kept getting a 404 message. My question isis filling with transparent the same as tinting? (explanation: In the image editor that Photobucket used to have I could change the color of something in a picture without losing the original shading, etc. They no longer have that image editor so I am looking for an Open Source program that is easy to use and has that feature.). You can use change a specific color to transparency with Image: Colors - Color to Alpha. If that's really what you mean. -- Olivier Lecarme ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior
On 05/16/2012 10:13 AM, Sicofante wrote: “Save as…” means “save to a new file with a different name and/or format”. “Export” means “put the contents of the current document in a file of a nature this app isn’t intended to handle”. (At the same time “Import” means “bring data from an alien file and convert it into what this app is intended to handle”.) For instance, saving a spreadsheet to a text file or a word processing document to a non-editable file format (PDF or picture). In the Gimp, Export should be reserved for PDF, ASCII art or any other file type that isn’t a picture. A picture isn't always editable... You cannot really re-edit a GIF, for instance, because if you need new colors you are definitely not going to have the same result as if you had edited the original XCF and exported it to GIF again. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] HATE thread
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Sicofante wrote: Do you think ignoring basic usability issues and maybe half of your user base is a good way of achieving anything? Do you think overreacting helps people understanding each other? :) Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] For GIMP-2.8 I need Fedora 17 .. which isn't released yet
Bummer... Anyone managed to build Gimp 2.8 on Fedora 16, 15, 14, ...? Yes, I'm currently using Gimp 2.8 on Fedora 16, compiled it from source. There is a guide in this site at http://www.gimpusers.com/tutorials/compiling-gimp-for-ubuntu; it talks about Ubuntu, but pretty much everything applies to Fedora, or is easy to adapt. Feel free to ask if you need help. -- eduperez (via gimpusers.com) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Any use for the TOUCH in a Pen Touch tablet
I own a Wacom Pen Touch tablet. I use the PEN capabilities extensively, and I'm happy with it; but still have not found any use for the TOUCH part. Does anybody here use the TOUCH functions? How? Many thanks! -- eduperez (via gimpusers.com) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] a question about drwaing circles!
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Mehrdad wrote: my teacher read the book fast and i should draw as fast as him. That sounds like sketching to me. Why not just use the brush or the pencil tool? Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Hurray - 2.8 Ubuntu
On 05/16/2012 07:08 AM, Jerrysvoice wrote: GIMP 2.8 was just pushed out by Ubuntu Software Center to my PC. I'm a happy camper now. Yikes! Time for little ole me to lock version so I don't carelessly wipe out my 2.6 installation. I am a late adopter when it comes to production tools - let it stabilize, look before you leap, etc. etc. is my approach. :o) Steve ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] For GIMP-2.8 I need Fedora 17 .. which isn't released yet
eduperez for...@gimpusers.com writes: Yes, I'm currently using Gimp 2.8 on Fedora 16, compiled it from source. There is a guide in this site at http://www.gimpusers.com/tutorials/compiling-gimp-for-ubuntu; it talks about Ubuntu, but pretty much everything applies to Fedora, or is easy to adapt. Thanks for the hints. Historically, I always needed to upgrade babl and gegl, but 2.8 required an new version of some other libs (gtk2?) that I couldn't work out. I finally managed to get 2.8 running on Fedora 14 (!) but it made the system instable. Can't wait for F17 to come out... -- Johan ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] HATE thread - and it's farewell from me
I've subscribed to this list for a while and have found it extremely informative. Unfortunately threads like this are taken the fun out of it. I'm taking a break for a while in the hope that things will settle down once 2.8 has been in the wild for a month or three. That does not mean that I'll stop using GIMP - far from it. And whilst I do not like the new Export philosophy, I'm pragmatic enough to now that I'll just have to get used to it because no amount of bitching in this forum, or any other, it is going to change a thing. Adieu.___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Wacom pens with rotation supported ?
2012/5/16 Gwenouille for...@gimpusers.com: It should work, provided there is at least one box checked in the Wheel column of the mapping matrix of your current paint dynamics. Well, there is one, I've created a custom dynamic with pressure mapped to the wheel. But in the Input peripherals dialog, there is no number mapped to the wheel. There is 1 for X, 2 for Y, 3 for pressure, 4 for Xtilt, 5 for Ytilt but nothing for wheel. And i can't just change that to something else. I don't think you need anything there. But are we speaking about the same thing? In Image: Edit - Input Devices there are Axes and Keys. Axes is used for setting the answer curve of the pressure. Keys is not used at all. But that's with GNU/Linux. I am using the latest wacom drivers. Do you think it is a wacom or a Gimp bug ? Linking Wheel to Pressure may be difficult to test. Here is a sketch using the Wacom Paint Brush, with Wheel linked to Angle and a round hard brush with Aspect Ratio set to 10. -- Olivier Lecarme attachment: Untitled.png___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] a question about drwaing circles!
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Mehrdad wrote: my teacher read the book fast and i should draw as fast as him. That sounds like sketching to me. Why not just use the brush or the pencil tool? Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org you mean using brush (or pencil) is the last chance??? no other way? thanks for your attention Alexandre -- Mehrdad (via gimpusers.com) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] a question about drwaing circles!
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Mehrdad wrote: my teacher read the book fast and i should draw as fast as him. That sounds like sketching to me. Why not just use the brush or the pencil tool? you mean using brush (or pencil) is the last chance??? no other way? There is no faster way to do that in GIMP currently. You can set a shortcut to the menu command that activates selection stroking, but you still have to confirm stroking settings. Alternatively, you could use Inkscape that has a nice text tool and easy drawing of geometric shapes. It really depends on a few factors like whether the circles should be pretty or geometrically correct. If you only need those circles around text for yourself, brush/pencil could do the work. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Wacom pens with rotation supported ?
I don't think you need anything there. But are we speaking about the same thing? In Image: Edit - Input Devices there are Axes and Keys. Axes is used for setting the answer curve of the pressure. Keys is not used at all. But that's with GNU/Linux. Yes, input devices, not peripherals (says peripheriques in french) Yes, i can see axes and keys. Nothing under Keys, and under axes: X:1 Y:2 Pressure:3 X Tilt: 4 Y Tilt: 5 Roulette (wheel): ien (nothing) I find surprising that nothing corresponds to the missing functionnality... Linking Wheel to Pressure may be difficult to test. Here is a sketch using the Wacom Paint Brush, with Wheel linked to Angle and a round hard brush with Aspect Ratio set to 10. I can't see any sketch, but I've tried it your way. Hard brush, flattened by aspect ratio, and the wheel to control the angle. No result... Still dead horizontal no matter what. I can control that the wacom driver reads the wheel value alright in the control panel diagnose area... I will try to install an ubuntu somewhere to see what it is like under Linux. -- Gwenouille (via gimpusers.com) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Wacom pens with rotation supported ?
2012/5/16 Gwenouille for...@gimpusers.com: I don't think you need anything there. But are we speaking about the same thing? In Image: Edit - Input Devices there are Axes and Keys. Axes is used for setting the answer curve of the pressure. Keys is not used at all. But that's with GNU/Linux. Yes, input devices, not peripherals (says peripheriques in french) Yes, i can see axes and keys. Nothing under Keys, and under axes: X:1 Y:2 Pressure:3 X Tilt: 4 Y Tilt: 5 Roulette (wheel): ien (nothing) Did you select one of the components of the tablet, in the list on the left? This list mentions the various peripherals. For example, for me it contains four entries for the Wacom tablet. If I select one of them, all entries under Axes specify a number. I find surprising that nothing corresponds to the missing functionnality... Probably because you are looking at your mouse or something else? Linking Wheel to Pressure may be difficult to test. Here is a sketch using the Wacom Paint Brush, with Wheel linked to Angle and a round hard brush with Aspect Ratio set to 10. I can't see any sketch, but I've tried it your way. It was attached to the message. Hard brush, flattened by aspect ratio, and the wheel to control the angle. No result... Still dead horizontal no matter what. I can control that the wacom driver reads the wheel value alright in the control panel diagnose area... I will try to install an ubuntu somewhere to see what it is like under Linux. Try the last version, 12.04. I hate the Unity environment, but you may like it, or change to Gnome 3 or even something similar to Gnome 2. And we can continue this conversation privately in French. -- Olivier Lecarme ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 14:38:43 +0200 From: si...@budig.de To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior If you use CTRL-E for Export to filename (which is available after the first export after saving to xcf) it does not ask for permission to overwrite. If you did not save to xcf there is a menupoint Overwrite filename which also doesn't ask for confirmation. It does not have a keyboard shortcut by default though. Which is because they are not the even same command (file-export versus file-overwrite), and word from the GIMP bugtracker says that this was very intentional. This also means that once they fix the bug that both export/overwrite commands are accessible regardless of which one is visible on the menu (yes that is a bug), hitting Ctrl+E in the latter case will do absolutely nothing. Which while not technically a bug is DEFINITELY a regression for the end user. You can still assign a shortcut for it yourself (look for file-overwrite in your Keyboard Shortcuts screen), maybe Ctrl+Alt+E. -- Stratadrake strata_ran...@hotmail.com Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Hurray - 2.8 Ubuntu
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 07:57:01AM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote: On 05/16/2012 07:08 AM, Jerrysvoice wrote: GIMP 2.8 was just pushed out by Ubuntu Software Center to my PC. I'm a happy camper now. Yikes! Time for little ole me to lock version so I don't carelessly wipe out my 2.6 installation. I am a late adopter when it comes to production tools - let it stabilize, look before you leap, etc. etc. is my approach. :o) Steve Not so quick...which Ubuntu version, please... -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Hurray - 2.8 Ubuntu
2012/5/16 Marco Ciampa ciam...@libero.it: On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 07:57:01AM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote: On 05/16/2012 07:08 AM, Jerrysvoice wrote: GIMP 2.8 was just pushed out by Ubuntu Software Center to my PC. I'm a happy camper now. Yikes! Time for little ole me to lock version so I don't carelessly wipe out my 2.6 installation. I am a late adopter when it comes to production tools - let it stabilize, look before you leap, etc. etc. is my approach. :o) Steve Not so quick...which Ubuntu version, please... At least 12.04. -- Olivier Lecarme ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior
I won't use the word hate; just dislike. I still remember when they changed the function by swapping what dilate and erode did. Also, when the redefined how Script-fus were to be formated; what a debacle.lol GIMP's changed over time and getting better. I know the arguments for doing what they did but I still like the old way since I hate change. :) -- Lyle (via gimpusers.com) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] HATE thread - and it's farewell from me
On Wed, 16 May 2012 19:31:01 +1000, kevin wrote: I've subscribed to this list for a while and have found it extremely informative. Unfortunately threads like this are taken the fun out of it. I'm taking a break for a while in the hope that things will settle down once 2.8 has been in the wild for a month or three. That does not mean that I'll stop using GIMP - far from it. And whilst I do not like the new Export philosophy, I'm pragmatic enough to now that I'll just have to get used to it because no amount of bitching in this forum, or any other, it is going to change a thing. Adieu. That´s my feeling also. Not leaving the list, but i´ve been deleting mail just by looking at the subject. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] GIMP 2.8 on Fedora 17
Fedora 17 is available as a pre release (which I'm running with no problems) and GIMP is available from the Fedora repo and I haven't had any problems with it (yet). ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Wacom pens with rotation supported ?
Did you select one of the components of the tablet, in the list on the left? This list mentions the various peripherals. For example, for me it contains four entries for the Wacom tablet. If I select one of them, all entries under Axes specify a number. Yes i did, in fact there are 3 entries: Core pointer (my mouse) Wacom Tablet Eraser Wacom Tablet Pressure Stylus Doesn't matter if i start Gimp with the mouse, stylus, airbrush... I get these 3. Notice that the airbrush isn't in there. But both the Eraser and Stylus have a Roulette:rien line under the Axes table I guess i should find some WACOM Tablet Airbrush line on the left for the airbrush ? And choosing that would lead to having a Roulette entry under the Axes table ? So does it mean that the driver isn't presenting the full array of available pens to GIMP ? Probably because you are looking at your mouse or something else? Well, i am surely looking at the stylus, but not at the mouse, that's for sure. In fact I choose Eraser or Stylus to get to see that list with the wheel. It was attached to the message. Oh ? I didn't find anything... Don't worry i get the idea of what it should have looked like ! Try the last version, 12.04. I hate the Unity environment, but you may like it, or change to Gnome 3 or even something similar to Gnome 2. Understood ! In fact i already have an old Ubuntu Karmic Koala somewhere on another hard drive. I'll boot on that later. And we can continue this conversation privately in French. Well, why not, but since this info might help someone else on the forum, I don't mind carrying on in English. -- Gwenouille (via gimpusers.com) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] For GIMP-2.8 I need Fedora 17 .. which isn't released yet
eduperez for...@gimpusers.com writes: Yes, there are dependencies within the dependencies, but all of them can be installed using the same procedure; and, if you put everything under a separate directory (I used /opt/gimp-2.8, for example), dependencies included, then you should not experience any instability. Most libs need to be built on the target system, and require other libs (and include files, and so on). This makes it very difficult to 'put everything' somewhere else. Yet, it can be done, though... I just blew it :( -- Johan ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Install 2.8 alongside 2.6 in windows?
On Wed, 16 May 2012 11:20:42 -1000, scott s. wrote: The release notes for 2.8 I found suggest that it isn't possible to install 2.8 alongside 2.6 in Windows (7 x64 in my case) at least using the pre-built windows installer? The installer for GIMP 2.8.0 will uninstall older versions first, but you can simply reinstall GIMP 2.6.12 afterwards. Reason for asking is that there are a number of 2.6 plug-ins I need, and looking at the GIMP plug-in repository few indicate 2.8 compatibility. So I would need to test them myself but if they don't work I would go back to 2.6, at least for some tasks. Old plugins should keep working - if you find any that don't, report that as a bug (this includes 32bit plugins running on 64bit GIMP). -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] No use gradient checkbox
2012/5/14 subeeds for...@gimpusers.com: I'm using Windows7 Home Premium. I'm new to GIMP. I was following one of the tutorials to get used to GIMP and I don't have a check box by the gradient box so I can use color from gradient. Here's a link to a screen shot I took. https://picasaweb.google.com/114202365594956578899/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCP_W2vG2g7Pvaw#5742303441265701202 I uninstalled, then reinstalled the program, but that didn't help. Suggestions or work arounds would be appreciated. The tutorial you used is obsolete. With GIMP 2.8, the color is taken from the gradient if at least one box is checked in the Color row of the mapping matrix for the current paint dynamics. See for example the Random Color paint dynamics. Depending on what you intend to do, you'll probably have to define a new paint dynamics, using the proper button in the Paint Dynamics dialog. Thanks, Oliver. Being totally new to GIMP-and loving it so far, I an just following the tutes I've found online so I can learn what is where in GIMP and how it works. -- subeeds (via gimpusers.com) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
