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IN TODAY'S ISSUE: Major re-shuffle in Goa bureaucracy,
BJP talk on bye-elections, Margao's truck terminal
plan jinxed? Get links to the Knowledge Initiatives Trust,
the Vatican, Jazz... and get news about Pomburpa.
o BYE-ELECTIONS: BJP TO CONTEST ALL FIVE SEATS. Trying to counter the
speculations that the BJP is short of good and winnable candidates,
Parrikar said his party had no dearth of candidates. But he said they
will announce the names of the candidates soon after it is clear
what type of elections the State is going in for. Five constituencies
that will go in for bye-elections are Taleigao, Cumbarjua, Velim,
Poinguinim and Benaulim. Local legislators resigned their seats
following instability in the Goa assembly, that pulled down the BJP.(H)
o TRUCK-TERMINUS PLAN IN MARGAO, A DEAD-END? Former urban development
minister Digambar Kamat's dream project of a controversial truck-terminus
at Margao's northern entry point appears to be grounded for now.
With his joining the Congress, the fact is that the project has been
long opposed by many a Congress leader. (H)
o Major re-shuffle in Goa bureaucracy. Nikhil Kumar, an IAS officer,
replaces North Goa collector A B Bhartu, who was recently
relieved from services of the state administration. (NT)
o Small traders for hike in VAT exemption limit. (NT)
o No new multiplex likely for 36th IFFI at Goa. (NT)
o Dona Paula stocks up mineral water in its war against NIO sewage
'treatment'. (GT) Water restored to Dona Paula. (H)
o KRC faces road-blocks in attempt to come out of red. The
Konkan Railway Corporation (which was set up anticipating profits
much earlier) now says it expects to break-even only five years
from now. Officials also argued that the growth projections may get
derailed due to delays to put in place projects such as the Sky Bus.(H)
o Konkan Railway Corporation is set to construct the world's highest
bridge across the river Chenab in Jammu Kashmir. (H)
o Ambelim village sarpanch, deputy Suraj Fernandes and Rex Anthony
D'Cruz voted out of office. (H)
o Development evading Pomburpa village, claims sarpanch Gokuldas
Halarnkar.(H)
o Goa's directorate of agriculture participated, for the first
time in the International Food Exhibition 2005, IFF2005,
organised in mid-March at Excel, London's exhibition centre
in the heart of Docklands. Said a newspaper headline: Goa's
choicest mangoes tickle British palate.
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NEWS FROM CYBERSPACE
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KNOWLEDGE INITIATIVES IN GOA: Daryl Martyris dmartyris at hotmail.com who
has been working on the Goa Computers in Schools Project, and now the
Knowledge Initiatives Trust (KIT) had his attention drawn to the possibility
of the Verna Industrial Association offering remedial teachers to schools in
the belt. Says he: I would really appreciate it if someone could keep me
informed about this part of the project. I might also be able to help with
providing materials that are used here for remedial teaching. Also, Pratham,
an NGO in Mumbai, has used remedial teaching to great effect for primary
schools kids. The VIA initiative is still in a preliminary stage. If
interested in supporting education initiatives in Goa, contact Daryl or
check out
http://mail.knowledgeinitiatives.org/mailman/listinfo/kitrust_knowledgeinitiatives.org
FROM THE VATICAN: Fontainhas (Pangim)-based Fernando do Rego
fernandodorego at yahoo.com reports on the Portuguese-Goa mailing
list http://www.onelist.com/community/goa-portuguese that a visit to
the http://www.vatican.va site threw up the full ritual of the
Eucharist service for the funeral Mass of the Pope to take place at
0800 GMT.
ALL THAT JAZZ! Jazzgoa jazzgoa at yahoo.com alerted
[Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP - April 9, 2005!
Tujem tondd bond dovrunk boro soeg jednam tum khol udkan asta. (A good time to keep your mouth shut is when you are in deep water.) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]Re: John Paul II
Well George, you are free like everyone else to your opinions. Personally I think you do not know much of the Catholic faith from what you have written. The Church is not a club with open membership and is not a democracy either. One has to acknowledge Jesus as the Lord and Master of our lives to qualify for membership, which incidentally is 'confirmed' as some point in time. Sadly, there are millions of so called confirmed catholics who have for reasons sometimes even not known to them, turned the other way, yet remain or prefer to be known as Catholics. Right from the time of Jesus the church has been run by 'direction'. The faithfull have the right to advise, suggest and talk, but we have to always remember that unlike a club or some governments, it is not a democracy. If our views are not accepted, we can always negotiate via the proper channels and not via the media. If eventually our thoughts are not accepted for whatever reason, then in all obedience we have to accept the 'direction' that we must believe comes from God himself, through his appointed shephards. Sometimes we do not know or see the bigger picture as God sees it. Eventually with time it unfolds and then we realise the whats and whys. If we want to be known as followers of Jesus, then it does make sense that we follow the directions as they come. John Paul II has done his time here on earth and it is not up to you, me or anyone else but the Father in heaven to sit in judgement. And as far as his call for sainthood goes, just because some people or groups are making the call, does not mean that the call will be accepted. Once again we must believe that whatever happens, will be so by divine 'direction' and nothing else. Thousands have been touched by John Paul II and that is their way of saying 'THANK YOU' I suppose. Like I said earlier, this is my opinion, and I have no intention of forcing my views down on you or any one else.
[Goanet]RE: British Sikhs pay homage to Pope John Paul II
By George! I am talking of compulsory use of external trapments by some persons in the name of religion, in public places. The popes funeral was essentially a religious service, and also within the grounds of the Vatican! All the different reps of their religions/ countries wore their own at the service which was catholic and there were no bans or cumpulsions to confirm, with catholic customs. The christian clergy will not demand to wear their cassocks etc. in case they have to work as 'driver' for public transport! Will they? Sikhs demanding to wear turbans instead of hats prescribed as uniform for all drivers etc.; and muslim persons wearing headgear and clothes contrary to prescribed uniforms in public schools and campuses; is certainly a different matter, I'm sure you and others like you will agree. This is all that I am trying to say. Wanting to be different and not confirming to the norm is a public atrocity! This also does not help towards maintaining 'communal harmony'. Nasci Caldeira Melbourne Down Under.
[Goanet]calling out to mario Fernandes of Divar.
Hello Can any one please provide me the email address of mario Fernandes of divar. thank you bye
[Goanet]Dr John Dayal's effigy burned by Hindutva militants
India Hindu Militants Attack Christian School, Burn Effigy In Madhya Pradesh India Hindu Militants Attack Christian School, Burn Effigy In Madhya Pradesh (BosNewsLife Exclusive) Wednesday, 06 April 2005 By Vishal Arora, BosNewsLife New Delhi Bureau Chief NEW DELHI, INDIA (BosNewsLife)-- Tensions were rising Wednesday, April 6, in a key city of India's central state of Madhya Pradesh where Hindu militants attacked a Christian school and burnt the image of a Catholic leader in response to remarks attributed to him by a local newspaper, BosNewsLife established. The incident happened late Tuesday, April 5, when supporters of apparently the Hindu nationalist movement Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), raided the Carmel Convent School in Gwalior, a city in the northern part of Madhya Pradesh, and burnt the effigy of Dr. John Dayal, President of the All India Catholic Union (AICU), Catholic officials said. There were no immediate reports of injuries. The [attackers] also made an attempt to vandalize the school property, but the timely intervention of the local police prevented the... incident, the AICU added in a statement to the BosNewsLife New Delhi Bureau. They held a meeting later in the evening and demanded an apology from the Church for the perceived anti Hindu article and warned Christians that they would extend their agitation to other institutions and schools in the city, the AICU stressed. However the local Hindi newspaper, Dainik Bhaskar, misquoted Dr. John Dayal as saying that the church in India was against the Hindu religion, during an April 4 press conference, said Fr. Anand Muttungal, Public Relations Officer and Spokesperson of the Catholic Church in Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh, in an interview with BosNewsLife. HINDUNESS On the contrary, Dr. Dayal had merely said that Christians in India were against the ideology of Hindutva, on which the RSS is based, Muttungal explained. Hindutva or Hinduness is a word to describe movements advocating Hindu nationalism. The term Hindutva was coined in 1923 by Vinayak Damodar Savarkar a Hindu nationalist whose book, Hindutva, serves as an inspiration for the modern Hindu Nationalistic Movements, according to historians. But we want to tell everyone here that we propagate peace, said Muttungal. The AICU urged the Madhya Pradesh government to end the violence and to restore the confidence and security of the small Christian community in the city. They have a right to burn my effigy if they will, but they no right to wreak vengeance on innocent nuns and priests and common Christian men and women, said Dayal in a statement. In all the last ten years or so, I have never attacked religions. [The AICU] campaign has been against fundamentalism, bigotry and violence... We have always made a difference between the Hindu faith, which we honor and respect, and Hindutva...said Dayal, who was in the region for a public meeting to pay homage to Pope John Paul II who died Saturday, April 2. CONCERN There is concern among church leaders that the latest attack is part of a new wave of violence against Christians in the area. This year a Christian prayer meeting was reportedly attacked in the presence of police by members of the RSS and the Bajrang Dal group in the village of Dhanora in Madhya Pradesh's Seoni district on February 23, reported the Christian news agency Compass Direct. Last year on January 11, the Jhabua district of Madhya Pradesh witnessed a spate of anti-Christian violence after the body of a 10-year old girl, who had been raped, was found in a Catholic School. Hindu militants, who alleged the girl had been raped by Christians, attacked churches and Christian institutions as well as houses and other properties of Christians. Police later established that the crime was perpetrated by a Hindu. The state government of Madhya Pradesh is ruled by the pro-Hindu Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). Christians make up less than one percent of the state's total population of over 60 million, according to government estimates. (Based in New Delhi, Journalist Vishal Arora, 32, has covered persecution and other hard hitting news stories for a variety of international and national publications. He has traveled around the country on invitation by NGOs for seminars and talks on human rights, communalism, and religious persecution. Vishal Arora can be contacted at e-mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit his website http://www40.brinkster.com/vishalarora/ )
[Goanet]BJP to field candidates in all 5 constituencies for by-polls: Parrikar
NT Staff Reporter Panaji April 7: The Bharatiya Janata Party, at its recent national executive council meet decided to field the candidates in the by-elections to all five constituencies, namely Margao, Poinguinim, Benaulim, Cumbarjua and Taleigao constituencies. The delegation told the Election Commission that the Union Home Minister, Shivraj Patil had shown his inclination towards dissolving the Goa assembly to usher fresh assembly elections in the state, during such a demand made to him by the Left parties, he said, pointing out that, the commission was also requested to interact with the central government in this regard.? The Election Commission has assured us of taking just and unbiased decision, he claimed. Mr Parrikar also informed that he, as the MLA of Panaji, has met the Goa State Infrastructure Development Corporation officials and demanded that the leftover works in the city such as construction and clearing of gutters be undertaken on priority, before the monsoons. Reacting to the situation of uncertainty faced by the students who are preparing to answer the Goa Common Entrance Test 2005, at the month end, Mr Parrikar said that his government had taken a decision somewhere during mid-January, earlier this year, to give 25 per cent weightage to the CET and providing 75 per cent weightage to the HSSC examination. After the dismissal of my government, this decision was changed and now I am being targeted by the Congress party for the entire mess, he said. The situation can still be salvaged by seeking proper legal advice to correctly interpret the Supreme Court ruling about the common entrance test, Mr Parrikar maintained. It is evident that the bureaucratic mind-set of the present government is responsible for all the confusion and looking at the approach of the Governor, Mr S C Jamir towards the students, the confusion may not be sorted out, at all, he predicted. The former chief minister also said that some of the private colleges in Karnataka had started conducting interviews of the students, apart from the common entrance test, and the court had directed that CET should not be diluted by arranging other examinations or interviews. ?Probably this made the Goa government to take a decision wherein 100 per cent weightage has now been given to the Goa Common Entrance Test 2005, he pointed out. Mr Parrikar also remarked that the wrong attitude of the government will result in massive loss of revenue for the state through the value added tax (VAT), and further create confusion in the trade as well as consumer circles regarding the same. ?A good piece of legislation related to VAT will go down the drain, he predicted. Mr Parrikar stated that his government had kept items like besan, atta, rava, spices, cereals and bread out of the tax bracket, while the same have now been put under this bracket. He also observed that most of the government officers who were employed on contract or given extensions during the regime of his government, served specific purpose.Like say, the former sales tax commissioner, Mr Bir was given an extension because he had a deep knowledge of the VAT, Mr Parrikar mentioned. He also said that the 15-odd government officers whose services were terminated recently, included 28 per cent Catholic officers. If my government had done so, the opposition parties would have blamed me of taking a communal decision, he noted. --- Jai Hind! Carlos
Re: [Goanet]SCARED OF POTATOES,ARE YOU?
From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet]SCARED OF POTATOES,ARE YOU? Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:57:04 +0100 On Apr 8, 2005 5:12 AM, JESSICA DS goanet@goanet.org wrote: Show me someone who doesn't like potatoes..and i'll show you snow on the Equator. RESPONSE: Snow on the Equator? Certainly Mount Kenya on the Equator, in Kenya has a snow covered peak! -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England Adenda Responsorum: So is Mt. Cutapaxi, overlying Quito, the capital of Ecuador... Alfred de Tavares, the peripatetic purveyor of odds ends in knowledge. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]SONG BY LATE PETER-DE-MORJIM AND MARIO ALPHONSO - BAHRAIN TIATRISTS OF THE 70'S
I was employed in Bahrain and actively involved in tiatrs when two Popes died in less than two months. My late friend-cum-tiatr associate, Peter-de-Morjim and Mario Alphonso composed the following song in one evening for a drama that was to take place two days after Pope John Paul IXs death: I Agostache sat tarker, dukest avaz radiocher Sompon Pap Saib Sovo, kalluk Roma xaracher Cardinal Gracias, put Goencho, somplo ikra tarker Pope John Paul sompon, dukest hi hat trick amcher CHORUS Pope Paul Sovo, man taka favo, kallzak ghalun ghavo, pondra vorsam vavr kelo John Paul Novo, goribancho mhunn kovo, dadusponn pollovnk ravo, tachoi palovlo divo Valerian Gracias, put nennar avoicho, Cardinal Asiacho, kitlo taka man favo Konsovlet, teg khambe dhormanche, munnieari Kristache, gelet ghalun ghavo II Dhoniam Deva, koslem adarlem pap Bhoron amcheam patkanim, kotta votvoulem map Niden melo Pap Saib, nimnni mevlinam zap Sogott add sumurticher, chintun Pap Saibak attak CHORUS Cardinal Albino Luciani, nanv naslem potranim, torui Papacho mukutt mevlo Aiz passun, histrin poixi tor, eka dissa bhitor, nam Pap vichun kaddlolo Russiacho, President Leonid, vhodd ek communist, to passun Papak churchurlo Sonvsarachea ek-ek potranim, vhoddlea letranim, boro Pap mhunn vakanddlo III Randlelem sorta, punn kellem soronezo Eucharistic Congress, ugddass Pope Paul Soveacho Indiek hi ghoddnim ghoddonk, boro vavr zait konnancho Cardinal Gracias, honrad put Goencho CHORUS Kristavanim, bhava-bhoinnanim, teg dhormanche khambe kabar zalet eke lainin Mandamentacher, cholonanv ami, padri-madrinim, rajnama dilint tannim Dogui Pap Saib, buddon chintnanim, porjechea korneanim, dogui melet attakanim Sonvsarak, boro vavr dilo tannim, tegaim munniearanim, vengent ghe Saibinnim. Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]RE: John Paul II
Hi Joe Thank you for giving your spin to the facts. I appreciate your comments and stand by my original comments. You are as incorrect as your subject line: St. John Paul II, he has not been canonized a saint. Regards, George Joseph Falcao Hi George: Always you bring your own spin to the facts.
[Goanet]Malacca was one of the three key-points, with Goa and Hormuz, which gave Portugal the control over the main Asiatic trade routes.
http://picturesofmalaysia.com/malacca/ History of Malacca Where it all began . No historian has been able up to now to pin-point the year Malacca was founded. Going by the State government's celebration of the 600th anniversary of the founding in August 1990, it could be deduced that Malacca was founded in 1390. However, some historians had placed the founding at between 1376 and 1400. That s Sumatran prince, named parameswara, was credited with the founding of the city and naming it Melaka in not disputed. A popular account puts the Prince as out hunting one day and while resting under a tree, one of his dogs cornered a mouse-deer or 'pelandok'. The mouse-deer in its defence attacked the dog and even forced it into the river-water. Parameswara was so taken up by the courage of the mouse-deer that he decided on the spot to found a city on the ground he was sitting on. Thus, Melaka or Malacca was born. Many claimed that the prince took this name from the 'Melaka' tree that was shading him. As time went on, Melaka grew bigger and bigger and became more and more prosperous. Parameswara, incidentally, was the first Malay prince to become a Muslim and inevitably, Islam became the religion of Malays in the Peninsular (now West Malaysia). The prince known as Iskandar Shah died in 1424. During his rule, Melaka progressed into a booming international trading post, luring over Javanese, Indian, Arab and Chinese sea-merchants. Under Sultan Mansur Shah (1456 - 1477), Melaka's fame and wealth not long after caught the attention of the expansionist Europeans with the Portuguese becoming the first to arrive and eventually going on to conquer the land. They were led by Alfonso d'Albuquerque. The Portuguese occupiers stayed on far 130 years and their King benefited immensely from this. After the Dutch captured Melaka from the Portuguese in 1641, theycontinued to use Batavia, now Jakarta, as their head quarters The Portuguese conquest: At the time of the Portuguese arrival in the Asian seas, Malacca, thanks to its strategic position on the strait bearing the same name, was a remarkable trading center for the trade and shunting of spices. At that time, Malacca was ruled by a Muslim Sultanate. The town extended its influence over a vast territory, which included the whole Malaya Peninsula. Its port was frequented by a multitude of ships and merchants from all the Asian nations of the time: Arabia, Persia, China, India, Japan, Indonesia, Ceylon, and Bengal. In it were gathered and sold all the Asian spices: pepper, cloves, ginger, cinnamon, nutmeg, etc. After their arrival in India, the Portuguese soon became aware of the importance of the city. An expedition sailed to Malacca in 1509 but failed, and many of the Portuguese were captured and imprisoned by the Sultan. In 1511, the ViceRoy of India, Afonso de Albuquerque, decided to organize an expedition destined to conquer Malacca. At the head of 1.100 - 1.200 men and 14 ships, Afonso de Albuquerque arrived in view of Malacca in June of 1511 and immediately demanded the rescue of the Portuguese that were taken prisoners in the 1509 expedition. The Sultan tried to gain time to strengthen the town defenses. He was well aware of the small number of Portuguese troops and was confident on his powerful army of 20.000 men and 2.000 guns. Albuquerque wasted no time. At down of 25 July 1511 the Portuguese attacked the town concentrating the assault on the bridge on the river dividing the town. After a fierce battle the bridge was conquered by the Portuguese, but at nightfall they were forced to retreat. After some days of preparations, on 10 August 1511, the Portuguese renewed the attack. Albuquerque had the assistance of some Chinese junks that were anchored in the port. The use of a junk offered by the Chinese merchants was decisive, as this junk was used as a bridgehead. This time the attack was successful and the Portuguese finally succeeded in establishing a bridgehead in the town. There were then several days of siege in which the Portuguese bombarded the city. On 24 August 1511 the Portuguese again attacked only to discover that the Sultan had escaped. With Malacca was now in Portuguese hands, they sacked the town, but following Albuquerque's orders, they respected the property of those who sided with them. B. W. Diffie and G. D. Winius in the book Foundations of the Portuguese Empire 1415-1580 write: the capture of Asia's greatest trading city by a mere 900 Portuguese and 200 Indians must rank as an event in the history of European expansion no less stunning than the better known conquest of Tenochtitlan by Hernando Corte's. Malacca a Portuguese town: Malacca was one of the three key-points, with Goa and Hormuz, which gave Portugal the control over the main Asiatic trade routes. After the conquest, Albuquerque immediately ordered the building of a fortress on the south side of the river. This
Re: [Goanet]John Paul II
On Apr 8, 2005 5:31 PM, George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Women still barred from priesthood (behind this justification is the implied view that women are not equal to men). Regards, George RESPONSE: RESPONSE, Women are not equal to men and vice versa - that is my opinion. Is your intended definition broad, narrow or in respect to voting? We have Police women getting paid the same as men. When it comes to sorting out the mess; sad to say the women are simply not capable. This is to do with their physical make up. Conversely most men do not have the tenderness of women and are simply unable to be a good shoulder to cry on especially in bringing up children; again to do with their make up! -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet]Correcting Goa's politics
On Apr 8, 2005 8:53 AM, Cajetan Rego [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -A Goan RESPONSE: Alleluia! The Governor was a real ogre to do away with the saviour of Goa. Jai Hind, Jai Hind. Bring back Parrikar, bring back the goondas, bring back law and order unto themselves, fill all the administrative jobs with party cadres! Screw the Catholic Goans and the sooner the better! While you are at it why don't you post your full address? Another Carlos6143 ? I am simply amazed that people want to post but are bashful or rather have no courage to come out in their own recognizance. Do you really expect to be taken seriously on this basis? Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet]No apology required from Santosh
Dear Cecil, In response to your comments shown below, it is amazing to me that you seem bent on continuing this line of personal invective, in a discussion in which you added nothing, and after the main protagonists have stopped. You should at least let readers know that I have challenged you, on Goanet and privately, to send me some specific examples of where I have STARTED a line of personal abuse, as opposed to retaliating to the abuse of others, or where I have defended or perpetuated a hoax. I also asked you to comment on the precise examples that Santosh cited to show that I had abused him, and I showed that he had been mistaken, obviously in the heat of his frustration at me for asserting that the risk from needle pricks was indeed LOW, but not NO. Not only have you done none of the above, you are continuing the calumny and insinuation that I alone have been personally abusive. Cheers, Mario. --- Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes that 'infected needles' debate had been going on much too long, but I think it also was beneficial in the sense that people will think twice before simply forwarding panic-creating hoaxes in future. The long drawn debate also brought a few worms out of the woodwork to comment. Hopefully they will continue to interact and contribute and not just complain. As for leaving Mr. Goveia alone, I don't know what to say. If anyone continues to be personally abusive I think he/she has to be told off by other subscribers. We can't always expect the Admin Team to step in and play Big Momma. Cheers! Cecil
Re: [Goanet]Re: Goans, Gouveia, Gilbert and Caste
Gilbert, I have no idea what academic model you are referring to. Seems to me your continuing demand for statistical information is the academic approach. I have no interest in knowing what proportion of Goans belong to the various varnas, etc. which is giving the problem far too much respect in my opinion. All I want is for Catholic Goans to stop discriminating against other Catholic Goans on the basis of congenital factors, which includes caste, and simultaneously expand this to all others as well. Two of my three ABCD kids have married Caucasians and the third is likely to do the same, so I don't have a personal dog in this fight. However, we still get inquiries from Goans within and outside the US asking about someone or other's caste. That, plus the actual experiences within my extended family and close friends are my only clue that the attitude still survives. Yes, my only experience of the Goan caste system has been during the matchmaking-for-marriage process. You are correct in saying that growing numbers of our next generation are marrying outside the community, not just in the diaspora but in India as well. This applies to non-Goans as well, the result of education westernization and modernization. However, if you are familiar with the huge Goan picnics taking place across North America over entire weekends, attended by thousands, many of the attendees are trying to find matches within the community for their kids. Whether caste plays any role here, I have no way of knowing. As in the community at large, it probably does among some people. I have no learned approaches to the problem other than to expose it and confront it when it rears it's ugly head, as I have done since I was a kid myself, and provide moral and actual support to anyone who is facing the problem within their own families. Good luck in your efforts. Mario. --- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Cornel and Mario, You guys and others can continue to stick to the academic model which you have built about Goans and continue to expand on the discrimination in our society. But I would agree with Cornel that, Goans (including me) can certainly improve on our intermingling skills beyond our small circle of same-old-friends.
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IN TODAY'S ISSUE: Major re-shuffle in Goa bureaucracy,
BJP talk on bye-elections, Margao's truck terminal
plan jinxed? Get links to the Knowledge Initiatives Trust,
the Vatican, Jazz... and get news about Pomburpa.
o BYE-ELECTIONS: BJP TO CONTEST ALL FIVE SEATS. Trying to counter the
speculations that the BJP is short of good and winnable candidates,
Parrikar said his party had no dearth of candidates. But he said they
will announce the names of the candidates soon after it is clear
what type of elections the State is going in for. Five constituencies
that will go in for bye-elections are Taleigao, Cumbarjua, Velim,
Poinguinim and Benaulim. Local legislators resigned their seats
following instability in the Goa assembly, that pulled down the BJP.(H)
o TRUCK-TERMINUS PLAN IN MARGAO, A DEAD-END? Former urban development
minister Digambar Kamat's dream project of a controversial truck-terminus
at Margao's northern entry point appears to be grounded for now.
With his joining the Congress, the fact is that the project has been
long opposed by many a Congress leader. (H)
o Major re-shuffle in Goa bureaucracy. Nikhil Kumar, an IAS officer,
replaces North Goa collector A B Bhartu, who was recently
relieved from services of the state administration. (NT)
o Small traders for hike in VAT exemption limit. (NT)
o No new multiplex likely for 36th IFFI at Goa. (NT)
o Dona Paula stocks up mineral water in its war against NIO sewage
'treatment'. (GT) Water restored to Dona Paula. (H)
o KRC faces road-blocks in attempt to come out of red. The
Konkan Railway Corporation (which was set up anticipating profits
much earlier) now says it expects to break-even only five years
from now. Officials also argued that the growth projections may get
derailed due to delays to put in place projects such as the Sky Bus.(H)
o Konkan Railway Corporation is set to construct the world's highest
bridge across the river Chenab in Jammu Kashmir. (H)
o Ambelim village sarpanch, deputy Suraj Fernandes and Rex Anthony
D'Cruz voted out of office. (H)
o Development evading Pomburpa village, claims sarpanch Gokuldas
Halarnkar.(H)
o Goa's directorate of agriculture participated, for the first
time in the International Food Exhibition 2005, IFF2005,
organised in mid-March at Excel, London's exhibition centre
in the heart of Docklands. Said a newspaper headline: Goa's
choicest mangoes tickle British palate.
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NEWS FROM CYBERSPACE
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KNOWLEDGE INITIATIVES IN GOA: Daryl Martyris dmartyris at hotmail.com who
has been working on the Goa Computers in Schools Project, and now the
Knowledge Initiatives Trust (KIT) had his attention drawn to the possibility
of the Verna Industrial Association offering remedial teachers to schools in
the belt. Says he: I would really appreciate it if someone could keep me
informed about this part of the project. I might also be able to help with
providing materials that are used here for remedial teaching. Also, Pratham,
an NGO in Mumbai, has used remedial teaching to great effect for primary
schools kids. The VIA initiative is still in a preliminary stage. If
interested in supporting education initiatives in Goa, contact Daryl or
check out
http://mail.knowledgeinitiatives.org/mailman/listinfo/kitrust_knowledgeinitiatives.org
FROM THE VATICAN: Fontainhas (Pangim)-based Fernando do Rego
fernandodorego at yahoo.com reports on the Portuguese-Goa mailing
list http://www.onelist.com/community/goa-portuguese that a visit to
the http://www.vatican.va site threw up the full ritual of the
Eucharist service for the funeral Mass of the Pope to take place at
0800 GMT.
ALL THAT JAZZ! Jazzgoa jazzgoa at yahoo.com alerted musicians about their
event featuring Yvonne Gonsalves (vocals), Xavier Peres (keyboards), Colin
D'Cruz (bass), Lester Godinho (drums) on April 18, from 9 pm onwards. Call
Chris on 9422437682 for more information.
Jazz Junction was formed in Goa in April 2004 by bass-player Colin
D'Cruz. The band made it's debut at the fashion meets jazz show
L'affaire Xtraordinaire in Panjim. Soon after that the band made
waves at the 'Down to Earth' jazz festival in Campal and has since
performed at
[Goanet]M. BOYER'S SONG ON LATE POPE JOHN PAUL'S VISIT TO GOA!
M. Boyer is one of the best and fastest composers of Konkani songs. Here is a song he composed and sang on late Pope John Pauls visit to Goa: I Pap Saib Paul Indiek ievun ghelo mhunn kalliz sontoslem amchem Italiak, Romank, Sam Pedruchi igroz thikannem tachem Tea Roma pattlean Goa xarak mhunntat Roma udentichem Aplea Romank thaun to amchea Romank ievun ghelo noxib Goenkaranchem CHORUS Adlea tempar Pap Saib Romantle kednanch bhair soronk nam Adlea lokan konnem Rom pollounk nam tor Pap Saib dekonk nam Adle Pap Saib Indiek ievun ghelet punn Goeam pavonk nam He pautt Goenkarank oslem bhag mevot mhunn konnench chintunk nam II Deva pattlean Dev, bhett divn amkam ghelo khuxealkai motti Indiecho serkarui vavurlo taka divunk bori security Kitle ganv vavurlet thoddoch vell taka voronk kitleoch keleot ratti Punn Pap Saib aple khoxen Goeam ievun raulo ek dis don rati CHORUS Pap Saib bonvta, zaina zavn xevott hea sonvsaracho To zogddim nakat, zuzam nakat mhunn hath zoddpacho Veta tea ganvanim tea ganvcheo bhaso ulovn magnnim korpacho Goeam Konkanin uloun jiv dadus kelo amcho Goenkarancho III Gela tea ganvanim lakanim duddu moddun tachi xeva keli Cristanvam poros dusrea dhormancho lok taka fulam ghali Thodde vavurtalet add morchea tacher kaddunk, maruncheak ueli Punn Pap Saibachim utram aikon team munxeanchi zapuch bond zali CHORUS Pap Saibacho fottu astolo kitleancheach ghoran Punn noxib amchem taka porxim pollovnk Goa xaran Bispu Saib vavurlo, adharui dilo Goenchea serkaran Konn addkoll haddit tanchea gomteak dhorlet San Francis Xavieran. Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
RE: [Goanet]St. John Paul II
Hi George: Always you bring your own spin to the facts. I would suggest that you read some books about John Paul's life and the impact to the Church. Some comments to your e-mail: 1. Pope follows what Jesus defined: priesthood for man; Woman can and do have an important role within the Church (i.e. Mother Teresa, St Catherine of Sienna; Mother ANgelica,etc); 2.Priesthood is one way of becoming a good Catholic and seeking Sainthood; A married man can be a good Catholic and respectful to his wife and kids; 3. Pope is the moral voice ... each one of us has the freedom to accept or not; You can not blame the pope for the spread of AIDS! 4. You want to check how many trips he made to Africa and Asia and the growing number of vacation from that part of the World; 5. Millions have entered the Church. Watch the Apr 8th Mass at the vatican - roughly 60% below 35 years Watch EWTN, if you have any doubt! Regards, Joe From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]John Paul II Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 09:31:38 -0700 (PDT) All, Almost everyone has an opinion on JPII, favorable or not. At a personal level, he was a good, decent man who stood up for justice, the poor. However, in matters of Church doctrine he did not move the Church forward. Infact, along with Ratzinger one could argue they took it back a few decades. John XXIII was the last Pope to make serious changes (Vatican II). It is curious that the late Pope's perceived major achievement is not related to matters of the Catholic Church - the fall of communism. While he was a good decent man, I am not sure why the call for his sainthood. What personal suffering (martyr) qualifies him or is it on the basis of profession of the faith? Additionally, there is a difference between JPII the man and JPII the Pope. As Pope, I believe these are some of the major failures of his papacy: 1. Women still barred from priesthood (behind this justification is the implied view that women are not equal to men). 2. Priests cannot marry. Celibacy is not natural to most people forcing good priests to leave the church or good men not to join. 3. Birth control and use of condoms in the spread of AIDS/HIV. It is true some Catholics ignore the birth control sanction and that condom use to prevent the spread of AIDS/HIV is being promoted by govt. agencies in Africa to fight the problem. 4. Inequality in the church. Most of the honors and MAJOR decision making still belong to Europe even though the largest Catholic blocks and growing Catholic markets are in Asia, Latin America, Africa. 5. Millions have left the Church during this conservative papacy. In Latin America there has been a significant exodus to evangelicals. In Europe, the pews are mostly empty. May his soul rest in peace. I am sure it will - if the Pope needs prayers the rest of us are doomed ;-)) Regards, George
[Goanet]Well-to-do Goans
From a posting on goa-research-net goa-research-net@goacom.com 0 What is also charming about the Goan way of life is that unlike Bombay and Delhi, Goans are not a competitive breed. They are self-contained and proud of their heritage. One thing that never fails to amuse me is that 'expat' Goans who live beyond the Ghats and who as recently as a decade back referred to us as 'you Indians', have now assumed a new avatar. They now call themselves Saraswat Brahmin Catholics. This is pontifical hypocrisy at its best. Surely, today's Catholics were yesterday's Brahmins, who in turn were Indians! One reason is that after nearly 450 years of Portuguese dominance there has been a steady loss of identity, particularly among Hindu Goans, leaving them almost totally 'divorced' from the mainstream of the Indian way of life. It manifests itself in many ways. The tactile components of culture, art and architecture in particular are an essential fabric of Goan life. Yet very few Goans appreciate these aspects of their heritage. Evidence of this for example, is that traditional Goan music, folk art, literature, oral histories and theatre are relegated to the fringe of Goan society. . Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk On the flip side the Portuguese may be forgiven because they gave us the chilli, cashew, tomato, potatoes and avocado. What would we do without the chilli? On the downside there are the well-to-do Goans who continue to live in the past. They speak Portuguese among themselves and some perhaps even miss 'the good old days'. This explains why the more enterprising and talented among them fled Goa to seek their fortunes elsewhere after 1961. The tragedy is that Goa was literally denuded of potential entrepreneurial talent. Despite all this, Goa's transition from the bullock cart to the jet age in a short span of 30 to 40 years has been truly remarkable. -- Extracted from *Seminar*, New Delhi, November 2004, Special issue on Amchem Goem, coordinated by Maria Aurora Couto. --- posted : rene barreto -
[Goanet]Salmona Spring: Open Update To Governor Of Goa - 1.
To, The Governor of Goa, Panaji. Goa. Your Excellency, Thank you for your promise of immediate help, *for a second time,* to stop the construction at the Salmona Spring in Saligao. The first time the file we gave you went via this route: - from you to the Chief Secretary with a note to investigate and revoke the licence. - from the Chief Secretary to the Under Secretary of Panchayats. - from the the Under Secretary of Panchayats to the Law Secretary for a legal opinion. - from the Law Secretary back to the Under Secretary of Panchayats. - from the Under Secretary of Panchayats to the Director of Panchayats. - from the Director of Panchayats office to the Legal Dept. - from the Legal Dept. back to the Director of Panchayats office. Since the Director of Panchayats is away in Chennai, and the Dy. Director of Panchayats post is vacant (after the last incumbent retired), *the file has now got 'stuck' with an official named Mr. Arlekar who is deputising for the 2 heads of department. Our information is that if the file is not excavated from under the pile on Mr. Arlekar's table, it will die a natural death.* We appeal to you to please prevent such an untimely end to the hard work that this file represents. Last morning, after giving you a second file with a memorandum signed by 1089 villagers, you promised yet again, to take immediate and strong action...but so far, the people of Saligao are very upset to note that nothing has happened on site. In fact the construction continues with arrogance and at a furious pace. Tomorrow the slab for the first floor is ready to be cast. We still await some action from you: either an injunction pending acquisition/enquiry into the suspicious way in which the Saligao Panchayat has issued this licence or a direct revocation of licence. An investigation by the Vigilance Department into the suspicious functioning of the Saligao Panchayat would also be in order. The villagers badly need such relief. You could simultaneously expedite your Government's acquisition of the entire area. That process is also 'stuck' with the Revenue dept. The pulse of Saligao on this sensitive issue is available at: http://salmonafountain.swiki.net We hope you will keep your word and act before it is too late. Thank you. Muriel Mario. -- muriel mario, 4/4 tabravaddo, opp. st. anne's chapel, saligao. bardez. goa. 403511. tel: 0832-278276 / 240 [EMAIL PROTECTED] '
RE: [Goanet]Salmona Spring: At The Press Conference...
Hi Mario Muriel, I am in solidarity with you and your struggle. I am sure your struggle will gain you victory. I know you how dedicated you are in your campaign. In the past we together had opportunities to raise our voice against so many ills happening in Goa including language issue. Mario move ahead and because of your sincerity I am sure not only all resident Saligaocars will support you but even the non-residents. I am waiting to see fruitful end of your campaign. A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait.
[Goanet]Alumni query -- Manovikas, Margao
Hiya Just wondering if you might be able to help. I studied at Manovikas English Medium School. Am looking for current contact details for this School. Email/Tel or anything? Also if possible are you able to look up a tel number for Dr Amilcar Sousa. Was in class with one of his daughters and would like to speak with them. Their house was just behind Chowgule College. Many thanks if you can help. If not no worries. Its nice to see clippings of my old school doing well in the news on the web. Kindest regards Linette
[Goanet]Online Konkani classes
After the grand success of our Cecil Pinto On-line English to Konkani Translation Services we are now planning Cecil Pinto On-line Konkani Classes. Trans: Amchi Translation Service ietle successful zali ki ami chintlem kiteak ami anik poishe korche nhui? - Please note: Our rates for translation have been raised to Rs. 500/- for first 200 words and Rs. 150/- for every subsequent 100 words. Trans: Zotor tuka hem voilem sozmonam tor zorur tuka amchi goroz. Ie bhitor. Tuji kat kaddun soddtam! -- Our On-line Konkani Classes are only available to those who don't know ANY Konkani. Even if you have a little knowledge of Konkani we will not accept you as a student. Trans: Hem tuka vacho ieta zalear tuka goroz na amchi coursachi. -- The entire course is over 22 short lessons and at the end of it we send you a Diploma as a JPG file which you can print out yourself. Trans: Azun kiteak vachtai re pokrea? Tuka sanglem ki vho course tuka nhoi! - Below is a Section from Lesson # 1: Common salutations and courtesies. English / Konkani / South Goan Konkani Thanks / Dev Borem Korum / Thank You annnh Sorry/ Guniav bhogos/ Sorry annnh Hello/ Boro murre?/ Koslem nistem ghetlem? Like to party babe?/ Partiek ietai go?/ Nokre kori nakai Coming?/ Ietai?/ Ietaiouuu? - Common Words English / Konkani / South Goan Konkani Thataway/ Ikdem-Tikdem-Heuten-Teuten-Hendem-Tendem-Fuddlean-Fatlean/ Mukhar Leader/ Fuddari /Churchill Culture/ Sanskruti / Kitem? - Cheers! Cecil If not the words - the spirit! =
Re: [Goanet]EK, DON, TIN KHAPRI AGUSTIN!
Domnic wrote: Haka kombeachi xakuti khavoinam zalear TEA PAICHO PUT NHOI HANV! Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA * Hi Domnic, Oxem tuka, tujea manvodem ghoddlelem zalear? Xacuti (re-posting) Zavoim mavodde aila Sasumain kombeak marla Ankvar mevnnin vanttla Rogddear xacuticho mosala. Chullir dovorlam tovlem Kombea masan borlem Barik uzear xizlem Jevnnank toear zalem Dhuv-zavoim ghorant Sasupai zala tight Mevnno ietoch salant Okasmat geli light Kuznantlem dar ugtem Xezarchem ailem sunnem Aitem jevonn favlem Pottbor gostan khailem Light etoch portean Sogot hanslim khuxen Zavoim ravla axen Mavoddo bhorlo lojen Sasumain randleli xacuti Soiro aslo dhaddoxi Sasreachi battli riti Zavoim nidhla upaxi Lino B. Dourado (Utord'dekar) http://www.goa-world.net/poems http://www.goa-world.net/poems/lino __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
[Goanet]Airport Planning
http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=87325 Provide airport capacity ahead of demand' KIRAN K GRANDHI [MD, Hyderabad Int'l A/P] .. ... ... The policy should work towards providing airport capacity ahead of demand, at least 20-30 years, so as to garner the maximum share of traffic in the region. To foster the development of strong airport infrastructure, a balance needs to be maintained between the need for economic viability and the objective of equitable distribution between regions, especially in a large country like India. Last but not the least, the government should work for multi-modal linkages by developing feeder airports, train and bus routes failing which it will be difficult for new airports to be viable due to their capital intensive nature. .. ... ...
[Goanet]Goanet Reader -- Pope John Paul II Testament
Source: Inside the Vatican [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pope John Paul II Testament VATICAN CITY, April 7, 2005 -- Here is the text of Pope John Paul II's testament, released by the Vatican today in the early afternoon Rome time. There is a suggestion in the letter that the Pope considered resigning in the year 2000, the year he turned 80 and the year the second millennium turned into the third. There is also a suggestion that he would like the college of cardinals to consider burying him -- or perhaps a part of him, like his heart -- in Poland. There is no mention of any bishop or cardinal that the Pope proposes as a good successor for him, as a rumor yesterday had suggested. - Dr. Robert Moynihan, Editor, Inside the Vatican Magazine == 6.3.1979 Totus Tuus ego sum In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity. Amen. Keep watch, because you do not know which day when the Lord will come (cf. Mt 24, 42) -- These words remind me of the final call, which will come the moment that the Lord will choose. I desire to follow Him and desire that all that is part of my earthly life shall prepare me for this moment. I do not know when it will come, but, like all else, this moment too I place into the hands of the Mother of My Master: Totus Tuus. In the same maternal hands I place all those with whom my life and vocation are bound. Into these Hands I leave above all the Church, and also my Nation and all humanity. I thank everyone. Of everyone I ask forgiveness. I also ask prayers, so that the Mercy of God will loom greater than my weakness and unworthiness. During spiritual exercises I reflected upon the testament of the Holy Father Paul VI. This study has led me to write the present testament. I do not leave behind me any property which necessitates disposal. Regarding those items of daily use of which I made use, I ask that they be distributed as may appear opportune. My personal notes are to be burned. I ask that Don Stanislaw oversees this and thank him for the collaboration and help so prolonged over the years and so comprehensive. All other thanks, instead, I leave in my heart before God Himself, because it is difficult to express them. Regarding the funeral, I repeat the same disposition given by the Holy Father Paul VI: Burial in the bare earth, not in a tomb, 13.3.92. Apud Dominum misericordia et copiosa apud Eum redemptio John Paul pp.II Rome 6.3.1979 Following my death I ask for Holy Masses and prayers 5.3.1990 ___ I express the deepest faith that, despite all my weakness, the Lord will accord me every necessary grace to face, according to His will, whatever task, trial and suffering that will be demanded of His servant, during the course of my life. I also have faith that never will it be permitted that, through my behavior: by words, actions or omissions, I betray my obligations in this holy seat of Peter. ___ 24.II-1.III.1980 Also during these spiritual exercises I have reflected upon the truth of the Priesthood of Christ in the perspective of that Crossing which is for each one of us the moment of death. In taking leave of this world -- to be born into the other, the future world, eloquent sign is for us the Resurrection of Christ. I therefore read the copy of my testament of the last year, it also made during spiritual exercises -- I compared it with the testament of my great Predecessor and Father Paul VI, with that sublime witness to the death of a Christian and of a pope -- and I renewed in myself consciousness of the questions, to which refers the copy of 6.III.1979, prepared by me (in a rather provisional way). Today I desire to add to it only this, that each one of us must keep in mind the prospect of death. And must be ready to present himself before the Lord and Judge -- and contemporaneously Redeemer and Father. Then I too can take this into consideration continuously, entrusting that decisive moment to the Mother of Christ and of the Church -- to the Mother of my hope. The times in which we live are indescribably difficult and troubled. Difficult and tense has become the life of the Church as well, characteristic trial of these times -- as much for the Faithful, as much as for the Pastors. In some Countries (as, e.g. in that one about which I was reading during the spiritual exercises), the Church finds itself in a period of persecution that is not inferior to those of the first centuries; on the contrary, the degree of cruelty and hatred is greater still. Sanguis martyrum - semen christianorum (Eds: Latin for Blood of the martyrs -- seeds of Christians). And beyond this -- so many people disappear innocently, even in this Country, in which we live... I desire once more to entrust myself totally to the mercy of the Lord. He himself will decide when and how I must finish my earthly life and pastoral ministry. In life and in death Totus Tuus through the Immaculate. Accepting this death already, I hope that Christ will give me grace for my final passage, which is Easter. I
[Goanet]Dabolim is not on this radar screen
http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=87324 Expedite greenfield airports WOLFGANG PROCK-SCHAUER [Jet Airways] .. ... ... in addition to these, the announced Greenfield projects of Bangalore International Airport and Hyderabad International Airport have to be expedited. Additionally, Chennai and Kolkata have also been identified as candidates for modernisation-these projects also need to be urgently undertaken. Pune, Nagpur, Ahmedabad, Jaipur, Amritsar, Rajkot, Kochi, Vishakapatnam are a few of the other airports which have ongoing studies to undertake airport upgradation. First, efforts should be focused on enhancing the efficiency and capacity of existing airports followed by new Greenfield projects. Primarily because the lead time required for Green-field projects will be much higher and will in the meantime result in severe choking at present airports. .. ... ...
[Goanet]Correction: Salmona Spring Swiki...
Dear Netters, We made a mistake with the Swiki site for the Salmona Spring. The correct URL is: http://salmonafountain.swiki.net Apologies for error. Solidarity. MM. -- muriel mario, 4/4 tabravaddo, opp. st. anne's chapel, saligao. bardez. goa. 403511. tel: 0832-278276 / 240 [EMAIL PROTECTED] '
[Goanet]Re: Goan Dalits and the caste issue
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look forward to some statistical information on the proportion of Goans among and outside various Varnas An anti-casteist like myself does not care about such worthless statistics. Throw the whole stinking rotten caste fish-basket out. Does it matter that there are 30 rotten mackarel in the basket, 15 rotten pomfret, 10 rotten sardines, etc. Regards, George
[Goanet]High command in favour of fresh elections in Goa
PANAJI: The ongoing infighting among senior Congress leaders in the state has almost made the High Command to do a rethink on facing the by-elections to five Assembly constituencies. According to reliable sources, a section within AICC wants dissolution of the Goa Assembly and go for fresh polls. (GT) --- Jai Hind Carlos
[Goanet]John Paul II
All, Almost everyone has an opinion on JPII, favorable or not. At a personal level, he was a good, decent man who stood up for justice, the poor. However, in matters of Church doctrine he did not move the Church forward. Infact, along with Ratzinger one could argue they took it back a few decades. John XXIII was the last Pope to make serious changes (Vatican II). It is curious that the late Pope's perceived major achievement is not related to matters of the Catholic Church - the fall of communism. While he was a good decent man, I am not sure why the call for his sainthood. What personal suffering (martyr) qualifies him or is it on the basis of profession of the faith? Additionally, there is a difference between JPII the man and JPII the Pope. As Pope, I believe these are some of the major failures of his papacy: 1. Women still barred from priesthood (behind this justification is the implied view that women are not equal to men). 2. Priests cannot marry. Celibacy is not natural to most people forcing good priests to leave the church or good men not to join. 3. Birth control and use of condoms in the spread of AIDS/HIV. It is true some Catholics ignore the birth control sanction and that condom use to prevent the spread of AIDS/HIV is being promoted by govt. agencies in Africa to fight the problem. 4. Inequality in the church. Most of the honors and MAJOR decision making still belong to Europe even though the largest Catholic blocks and growing Catholic markets are in Asia, Latin America, Africa. 5. Millions have left the Church during this conservative papacy. In Latin America there has been a significant exodus to evangelicals. In Europe, the pews are mostly empty. May his soul rest in peace. I am sure it will - if the Pope needs prayers the rest of us are doomed ;-)) Regards, George
Re: [Goanet]No apology required from Santosh
To all my fellow Goanetters, You and I are far less likely to be pricked by an infected needle left on a train seat than we are to be pricked by a verbal needle in a Goanet post. Somehow, many of us cannot resist inserting an insulting word into an apparently innocent message. For example, the recent extended debate on abuse is said to have brought some worms out of the woodwork! Rebecca O'Leary (no cousin or godchild of mine) got involved, and had some things to say that needed saying; I got involved as well. Neither Ms. O'Leary nor I are regular posters on Goanet, so the two of us must count ourselves among the worms. Or is one to be considered more wormlike than the other? On a related matter: Private messages are meant to be private. I sent a private message to Santosh that suggested alternative ways of conducting a debate; he chose to make public the fact that I had communicated with him in private, but stated that I had reprimanded him. I hadn't, for the simple reason that I do not feel I have either the right or the authority to reprimand another human being. I had merely suggested another approach. And I did not suggest he apologize; I especially do not think any apology is an apology, if it is worded in a way that leads to further recrimination. The point that I am trying to make is that there should be civility in all our debates. In ALL of them, and in every part of each debate. I don't care who started the mudslinging---the person who has mud flung at him, and then flings mud back, also winds up having mud on his hands.
RE: [Goanet] Goenkar, Goeantle ani Goembhaile (Uday Bhembre's views)
--- Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comparatively, and for historical and cultural reasons, all Indian languages are under developed; as compared to Chinese, Japanese, English and a host of European languages. How can Nasci make such a categorical assertion? Has he done any kind of comparative linguistic analysis? Has he read the literature of any Indian language? From my own modest understanding, being able to converse and write in Konkani and English with the same amount of facility, I can say with confidence that there are domains of human experience in which Konkani is much richer than English. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]Salmona Spring: At The Press Conference...
Dear Netters, The Salmona Pariyavaran Manch and Saligao Civic Consumer Cell held a Press Conference this evening. Arun Sawant and Ms. Malvi Tayaji, Convenor and active member of the Manch respectively, Nicholas Sequeira and Mario Mascarenhas of the Saligao Civic Consumer Cell addressed the Press. But the highlight of the Conference was the presence of 2 expat Saligaokars from the US - Maurice Britto (Budza) and Chris De Souza - who talked about what the spring meant to them as they grew up as children in the village and what it means to see the present wanton destruction of a childhood haven. It is great to have them fighting shoulder to shoulder with us at ground zero. While Chris is down for only a week and made the time to attend the event, Maurice is in Goa on an extended stay and is very active with the local movement. This is truly turning out to be the struggle of Saligaokars - worldwide. Besides the text of the memorandum to the Governor and a brief history of the Salmona Spring struggle, the following document was also handed out: Salmona Pariyavaran Manch Saligao Civic Consumer Cell Press Conference Handout at T B Cunha Hall, Panjim. 8 April 2005. Why the Tourism Dept. is acquiring the Salmona Spring? Initially, the Forest Dept. was supposed to acquire it, but because of a lack of funds, the Govt. has asked the Tourism Dept. to pay for the acquisition and then hand it over to the Forest Dept. to plant trees and maintain the local biodiversity of the area. The Tourism Dept. has no intentions of developing it into a Tourist spot. This assurance has given to us by the Tourism Dept. itself, the previous CM Manohar Parrikar (who first started acquisition proceedings) and the recent Tourism Minister and MLA of Saligao, Dr. Wilfred De Souza. These authorities have also assured us that the area will be maintained as a conservation zone with its present biodiversity of flora, fauna and bird life and that no development of the area will take place. What Saligaokars hope to do with the area after acquisition: The Salmona Spring is the only natural heritage spot left in the village. It is world famous because it is on every bird-watching website in the world. Migratory birds coming here are not sited elsewhere in Goa. The villagers hope to work closely with the Forest Dept. to plant the same species of trees found in the area, in order to maintain the local biodiversity of flora and fauna. They will work with the Forest Dept. and other environmental NGOs in the state like Nisarga Nature Club, Little Tree, Southern Birdwing, Green Cross, Goa Foundation, Creepy Times to maintain the area as a conservation zone where the animal, bird, snake, reptile and insect life of the area will be protected to preserve and enhance the natural biodiversity of the area. As planned by the ex-Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar, the villagers hope to ask the Govt. to pump the water from the spring up to a reservoir on the hill, to then flow down by gravity to the homes of the Salmona residents. Sulabh Souchalayas are hoped to be built outside of the fenced area to help out with the toilet needs of the local community and visitors alike. Where the Government procedures stand at this moment: One file is with the Under Secretary, Panchayats, and the Director of Panchayats who are working on an injunction on the construction and revocation of the licence erroneously given by the Saligao Panchayat. At the same time acquisition proceedings are on, with the Govt. applying section 4 and section 17/4 (urgency clause) of the Land Acquisition Act, to acquire the whole Salmona Spring area as soon as possible. Details are available with the Director of Tourism, Under Secretary, Panchayats and Under Secretary, Revenue. (Ends) We are hoping all this effort pays off! Solidarity. MM. Salmona Spring: The whole story @ http://salmonaspring.swiki.net -- muriel mario, 4/4 tabravaddo, opp. st. anne's chapel, saligao. bardez. goa. 403511. tel: 0832-278276 / 240 [EMAIL PROTECTED] '
[Goanet]NEWS-HERALD: KRC faces road blocks in attempt to come out of red
http://www.oherald.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=1034 KRC faces road blocks in attempt to come out of red BY HERALD REPORTER MARGAO, APRIL 7 :-- Loss-making Konkan Railway on Thursday has said the Corporation expects to break-even five years from now, but officials say the growth projections may get derailed due to the delays to put in place projects such as the Sky Bus. And, with the expert committee constituted by the Union Urban Development Loss-making Konkan Railway on Thursday has said the Corporation expects to break-even five years from now, but officials say the growth projections may get derailed due to the delays to put in place projects such as the Sky Bus. And, with the expert committee constituted by the Union Urban Development Ministry yet to submit its report on the indigenously developed Sky Bus technology, the KRC only says the project will take off as and when the committee gives its final nod. Briefing newsmen, KRC Managing Director, Dr K K Gokhale said the KRC is awaiting the report of the expert committee. The tenure of the committee headed by the Dean of IIT Delhi expired last month. The Urban Development Ministry will have to first given extension to the committee to prepare a report, he said, adding the sky bus may take off anytime after the expert committee submit their report. Gokhale said around 14 cities, including Jaipur and Chandigarh have shown interest in the project. The KRC has invested Rs 50 crore in the project. The KRC MD says the Corporation has put up a fairly good performance in the last financial year despite a slow down due to the tragic rail accident. According to him, the total revenue earned last year was around Rs 280 crores -- Rs 200 crore on Passenger traffic and Rs 80 cr on freight. The freight traffic has started showing up and that's a good sign for us, he added. He pointed out that though the cumulative losses has touched Rs 1900 crores, the losses has come down last year from Rs 400 cr to Rs 310 crore. Gokhale said the indigenously developed Anti-Collision Devise is being currently implemented on the entire North Frontier railway, adding the KRC expects the Indian Railway to cover the entire rail route by 2013. Presently, we are implementing the devise on the 1700 km rail route of the Frontier Railway at a cost of Rs 68 crores, he said. Gokhale said the ACD's has been fine-tuned into a sophisticated gadget since its invention five years ago, adding that even countries like Australia, France and Sri Lanka have asked queries on the safety devise. We would launch aggressive marketing for the devise once we receive the patent, he added. Meanwhile, asked on the proposed amalgamation of KRC with Indian Railways, Gokhale said that KRC's board of directors has asked the Union government to extend the status quo till KRC clear its debts and liabilities. As per an agreement, KRC was to merge with the Indian Railways in June 2005. .
[Goanet]NEWS-HERALD: Vested interests thwarting removal of ship: Matanhy
http://www.oherald.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=1030 GOA: Vested interests thwarting removal of ship:Matanhy HERALD NEWS DESK PANJIM, APRIL 7 :--- Former tourism minister Matanhy Saldanha in a statement issued here said that it has been the will of the people of Goa that River Princess should be removed by all means. With this in mind the Former tourism minister Matanhy Saldanha in a statement issued here said that it has been the will of the people of Goa that River Princess should be removed by all means. With this in mind the then government had made every possible effort to achieve this goal. Of late there have been outbursts from various quarters who want to support the charterer claiming to be the owner to stall the removal of the ship. Saldanha said that when the decision was being taken to remove this ship many approached him with various explanations and intimidations that the ship cannot be removed as the so-called owner would approach the court of law. But nothing deterred the government from striving to remove the ship out of Goa. Saldanha further said, I have great admiration for Dr Wilfred D'Souza for sticking to the previous government's decision to get the ship removed. But interestingly it has been noticed that some politicians who have been playing to the tune of the so-called charterer claiming to be the owner are learnt to have been lobbying to stall the ongoing work of removal. Now it is for the Governor S C Jamir to make sure that the ship is removed at all cost. There is no time for inquiries. The only thing the governor should see is that there is coordination among all departments namely, tourism department, Captain of Ports, MPT-Coast Guard, River Navigation Department and others to see that the ship is removed. At the same time, he said that he is not at all averse for an inquiry but this should under no circumstances stop the work of removal of the ship. Attempts are being made by vested interest to stall the removal of the boat by filing court cases and creating false impressions in the mind of the public and the salvager. I am confident that the governor with his vast experience will not fall prey to the machinations of the vested interest, but make sure that the ship is removed at all cost. I am sure that the governor cannot be influenced even by a section of the press who mainly practice yellow journalism or sensationalism very often in nexus with vested interests, he concluded. .
[Goanet]Correcting Goa's politics
In January 2005,though things were not completely perfect, there was no crisis in the state. Goa ranked as the No.1 state in India. The Parrikar Government had received praises for the efficient organization of the IFFI. Goa is among the top tourist destinations in the world. There is surplus electricity. A stable and efficient administration had led industries to look at Goa as an investment destination. Wipro and Patni were all set to start their units in Goa. The River Princess was about to be removed. There were plans of an International airport. The sky bus was successfully tested. Panjim now looks like a European city. Goa has the smooth roads rarely to be found in India. There is no communal tension. Goa University has tied up with the prestigious IITs. Government schools in Goa have been upgraded. And all this fast track development had been achieved in four years' time under the leadership of a well-educated and sincere politician, Manohar Parrikar. Just when, the people of Goa thought they had a stable and progressive government, Parrikar was tempted to dismiss a corrupt minister. This minister had always been using the government machinery at his own pleasure. He was indeed a filmi 'goonda'. Parrikar had inducted him in the government because he had no other option when he came to power. Without his support Parrikar could not have pulled Goa out of political instability and power would have fallen in wrong hands. Throughout his tenure, Parrikar did a tightrope-balancing act, tolerating the whims and fancies of someone he eagerly wanted to evict. Eventually the tantrums went out of control and Parrikar had to dismiss him. In a couple of days, the entire numerical alignment in the legislative assembly changed. Those who had sung praises for Parrikar, turned into foes overnight. A smooth sailing government a few weeks before, now went into turbulence only after one member had been dismissed. If there had been something seriously wrong in the Governments functioning, or if there was a state crisis, or if the government was found to be indulging in criminal activities, the Governor would have been justified in overthrowing the government. But in Goa, only an MLA had been disqualified from voting at a trial of strength. This does not give the governor enough reason to dismiss a government, the praises of which he himself had been singing until few weeks before the entire fiasco. All of Goa knows this story. Take your memory back to the days when power was in the hands of an inherently unstable Congress. The chief ministers changed every now and then. There was absolutely no development in the state. Goa would be in the news only when the government would get toppled. Parrikar had broken this legacy and given Goa a stable government. The chief minister is supposed to be the mastermind behind the administration of the state. Issues related to health care, finance, industry, infrastructure, are guided by the CM. Every shuffle in the leadership causes the previous governments policies to be reversed. This is the main reason why Goa had not seen sufficient industrial investment. Wipro who had earlier shown interest are now rethinking their plans. There is no doubt that a Congress government will lead Goa into political turmoil. Just a day after coming into power, there was a mad rush for ministerial berths. Questions were raised about whether this government would last for over a week. If they come to power, you are sure to witness several side switches and musical chairs. These people who pretend to be united are the same people who have toppled each other. There is still intense rivalry between them, and they will give vent to it when the time comes. Just imagine the hell Goa will turn into if the Congress comes in power. After the elections, the numerical alignment will change even further and the same politicians with criminal background will lobby for cabinet berths. They include semi-literate people who have not even finished their primary education. So sorry has been the state of Goan politics that even a smuggler once became the chief minister. These people have no sense of duty or patriotism. They live flashy lifestyles, evident from the expensive birthday parties they throw and the cars they travel in. Contrast this with the lifestyle of Parrikar. He explicitly asks people not to issue greetings on the newspapers for his birthday. His attire is that of a common man. His simplicity makes him stand apart from other politicians. He has excellent contacts with some of the top industrialists of the country. His visions for Goa have always been progressive. The cyberage scheme has made Goa the most computer-literate state paving the way for E-governance in the future. The social security scheme and medical insurance scheme are similar to ones existing in many foreign countries. He got rid of the infamous slums in Baina. He gets criticized for
[Goanet]RE: British Sikhs pay homage to Pope John Paul II
All, I have not been on Goanet since inception, but the statements below must be the most blatant bigotry expressed on this forum. Are we to ban crucifixes, crosses? How about all the external trappings witnessed at the funeral of the Pope? How about banning the priest's vestments? The wearing of a cassock in public? Ban bishops's rings too? Etc. It is apparent religious fundamentalism has affected modern Christianity. Regards, George --- Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not understand why the 'Sikhs' who are such a nice people / community, cannot get together and disown all these external trappings; and comply with present day world trends. Yes, the French people and Govt. are right in banning these and other so called religious symbols etc in public; I would politely ask the British too, to ban turban wear by sikh drivers and conductors on London and Manchester buses. and other muslims wearing their symbols etc in public. Why not?? To hell with all these public atrocities. Lets have a new world order ! Nasci Caldeira Melbourne Down Under
[Goanet]St. Xavier - Mapuca - AN Email address for every Goan wherever they may be.
An email address for every GOAN wherever S/ HE may be this is a Goanet supported - partnership project 00 Goenkars ! After my personal appeal to the Principal , St. Xavier's College - Mapuca, Prof. Newman Fernandes ..asking him and his staff to JOIN us in our project : an e-mail address for every Goan The partnership project - supported by Goanet - I am delighted to inform you all ..that WE have received a very pleasant and encouraging email from Prof. Newman Fernandes. I take this opportunity to share a part of the email with you good people : It reads : * We are interested in joining the project * an e-mail address for every Goan. Thank you , Prof. Newman Fernandes for your support and your agreeing to PARTICIPATE ... in this PROJECT OF OURS . We understand that St. Xavier College - is one of the leading institution in Community development in Goa. We hope that your example will encorage other Schools in Goa to JOIN us in this GOANET supported project. TOGETHER we will MAKE A DIFFERENCE ! We look forward to working with St. Xavier's College - Mapuca on this and many other COMMUNITY led projects in the near future. WE have been told that St. Xavier's has about 26 other community projects for this summer . As part of this project , an e-mail address for every Goan. we would like to suggest the following : Suggest that St. Xavier's College . Mapuca , Goa. Encourage every member of its staff - have an email address , further - we'd like to suggest that all students of the college too ...are also encouraged to have an email address for themselves. We would further suggest that the Staff and students of St. Xavier's PARTICIAPTE in our project ...by promoting idea to Goans in the furthermost and remote villages in Goa. We hope that the BMX - Mapuca and other ex - Student organizations will also participate in this worthy project / Cause. We are also : Calling Goan Proffessors / students at Universities / colleges all over the World - To Please Support St. Xaviers College build a COLLEGE Link with your college / university - this was a request by Prof. Fernandes to me. They need your support please do write to St. Xaviers : EMAIL : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ref: College Links We say ...GOANS CAN ! And there is more to come ...watch this space ... keep : - ) ing rene barreto [EMAIL PROTECTED] BRINGING Goans TOGETHER wherever they may be 20th August 2005 WORLD GOA DAY - A day set aside by Goans to express their SOLIDARITY with Goa and Goans everywhere. === WE NEED YOUR TIME and YOUR VOICE ! and TOGETHER we WILL A BIG DIFFERENCE. ===
[Goanet]Tiatrist and Pope.
Tiatrist and Pope. We know many of the historical facts thru Konkani songs. Tiatrists especially of yesteryears were known to keep the reocrd of historical facts thru the nicely composed songs which they used to render from the stage. During those days there were no facilities of tape recorders to tape their songs but people who used to attend their shows used to memorise partly or certain pieces of these songs and pass on to others for posterity to know about this. I had the previlegge to read some of the songs of Alexinho de Candolim when I had an opportunity to read the copy book of his songs. Many of the historical incidents of our village and Goa I came to know by reading his songs, some of the facts I came to know thru listening to his songs either from the stage live or from the Emisorra de Goa and later on All India Radio Panjim. After Alexinho de Candolim according to elders M. Dod de Verna was the most powerful somposer and singer. Though Dod was not having as beautiful voice as that of Alexinho de Candolim yet his composition was very good. On the stage and also outside stage he was well dressed. His position on the stage was such that even outside he used to attract attention from the people. He was later on proved to be a very fast composer. If I am not mistaken, in 1958 Pope Pius XII died and within 2 days in my village Dod was to stage his drama Kallzacho Anvddo. Within two days Dod made preparation for rendering a new song on the demise of late Pope Pius XII. That time there was no TV and no newspapers as we have today. Vavraddeancho IXtt was coming out only once in a week and in Portuguese there were O Heraldo and A Vida but these Portuguese papers were not meant for the commoners. Dod collected the necessary materials and composed a nice song which he rendered in his tiatro after 48 hours of the death of the then Pope. It was very intersting but later on this same song he recorded at Emissora de Goa but with some changes, for what reason I dont know. Few lines of this song run like this: Nou tarik Outubrachi dis vortoulo dhukest Berestar, Avchit khobro ek sadouli amchea kanar Ki Eugene Pacilli Pio baravo Pap Saib Zalo mhonn kobar etc. Within a minute this song became instant hit with Dod's credibility soaring high. Today we have a tiatro in Kuwait, within the next few minutes it will start at Hawally A/C Hall. Will any of the actors either local or visiting sing a song on the late Pope John Paul II and keep an historic record of this Pope as M. Dod de Verna did? Or any of our artistes in Goa will compose a song on our Pope who died a few days back and whose funeral was already finished today a few minutes back? In the song of M. Dod lot of information is available of the Pope and thru this song then we came to know so many things about Pope. Hope some tiatrists will compose a nice song on the Pope John Paul II to keep his memory alive as this Pope has done so much for the Drama by himself being a dramatist. A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet]Casting Agency in Goa? Vouched for Couch for Sale.
Please inform Jason that last month I was about to launch my Casting Agency for amateur actresses interested in getting a foot into the booming Videofilming-of-Tiatrs and Low-Budget-Konkani-Movies scene. I had rented an office. Purchased a couch. Placed classified adverts. Fixed up appointments with actress wannabes and Response : Like Jason make it a NO-Budget-Konkani-Movie so no one expects any remuneration. Everyone who acts gets a Bouquet of Fresh Flowers Delivered in an Air-Conditioned Car. at least, that dastardly Shakti Kapoor had to go and get caught on camera and give the whole casting industry a big name. Response : Shakti Kapoor now calls it a Casting OUCH !!. When the dust settles I might give it another go. Response : It has been proved that dust settles down if water is sprayed over it. Vince PS. If I ever try my hand at starting a casting Agency I am sure to name it Casting Couch Agency so that no young Star aspirants can blame me for misleading them into believing that the Casting Couch doesnt exist.
[Goanet]TRAVEL PACK SUMMONED BY LABOUR DEPT.GOVT. OF GOA.
Based on a complaint filed on behalf of Mr. Albert Rodrigues by the Goa Justice Labour Foundation, a Trade Union registered under the Trade Unions Act 1926,the Office of the Labour Commissioner, Govt. of Goa has summoned the Manager- Operations of Travelpack to inquire into the industrial dispute raised by the Union. The workman Albert Rodrigues employed as a Driver has complained that he is being harassed and victimised for his trade union activities. Specifically the workman has complained about the denial of SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS by TRAVELPACK under its statutory obligations mandated under the EMPLOYEE STATE INSURANCE ACT. The first hearing was scheduled on 30th March 2005 at 1530 hrs,on which date the Management of Travelpack sought time,which was granted. The proceedings were adjourned to 13th April at 1100 hrs. The workman and the Advisor to GOA JUSTICE LABOUR FOUNDATION also met with the Regional Director (GOA), Employee State Insurance Scheme,Govt. of India, and apprised him of the EVASION IN PAYMENT OF CONTRIBUTIONS by TRAVELPACK. The Regional Director has decided to institute a full-fledged inquiry into the non-compliances by TRAVELPACK, and to initiate CRIMINAL PROSECUTION of TRAVELPACK if found to be neccessary. GOA JUSTICE AND LABOUR FOUNDATION (Registered under The Trade Unions Act 1926) Registered No. Goa 413 Regd.Office: Annexe 271, Turtle Bay, Tembavaddo, Morjim Beach, Pernem, Goa-403512 WE CARE, WE DARE!
RE: [Goanet]Goenkar, Goeantle ani Goembhaile (Uday Bhembre's views)
Dear Fred, Well said Fred; You have hit the nail on the head! Then again, why should knowledge of and speaking 'konkani' alone decide: 'who is a Goan'! Shouldn't Birth, long Domicile and Ancestry by birth, be more relevant, more so in today's world, of globalisation and computerisation, where minor and not so minor languages are becoming more and more 'colloquial only' language entities? Comparatively, and for historical and cultural reasons, all Indian languages are under developed; as compared to Chinese, Japanese, English and a host of European languages. That's the Indian genius, that has let us down! Why can't a person be proud and claim to be a Goan, irrespective of their 'fluency' in Konkani?? I am only half fluent in konkani and colloqually only; I will not have any one take away theGoanness from me; Its is the red soil of Goa and my genes bred from it, which decides it; and not any language fanatics. Nasci Caldeira Melbourne Down Under. From: Frederick Noronha (FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet]Goenkar, Goeantle ani Goembhaile (Uday Bhembre's views) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 00:01:51 +0530 (IST) Uday Bhembre has written the lead article in Fausto V da Costa's 'Goencho Avaz' (Volume I Issue I) that hit the stands in April 2005, under the above title (Goans, in Goa and Outside). Udaybab puts forth some of the well-known arguments of the Konkani lobby (particularly the Devanagari camp) in Goa. Some of the points he makes includes: * Goa has one language, but not all Goans accept it. Some say Marathi is their mother-tongue, even if they can't speak and write it fluently. * Another type of Goan feels ashamed to speak Konkani. After Portuguese attempts to 'foreignise' him, he has become half foreign and half Goan. If they were true Goans and had tried enough, 43 years after Liberation, they would have learnt to speak Konkani. But they're not ready to do that. * Then, there are some Goans who insult Mons. Dalgado by campaigning for Romi Konkani under his name.One doesn't know if Fr Thomas Stevens' soul is crying or laughing by their cause. Bhembre argues that migratory Goans are of three kinds -- those settled within India, those abroad but planning to return sometime, and those who have migrated more or less permanently. Most Goans in the first category, both Hindu and Catholic, live in Mumbai, he argues. But Hindu Goans there have become half Maharashtrian while the Catholic Goans are half foreign. They lack both unity and a voice in the city of Mumbai. Maharashtra government has done little for them. Even Lata Mangeshkar calls herself a Maharashtrian. And look at the stereotypes that Hindi films project of Goans. There must be a quarter-million Goans in Mumbai, but they're voiceless, argues Bhembre. Gulf Goans have safeguarded their Konkani traditions. But if the Sheikh-ocracy gives way to democracy, they might opt to stay on their, and it's hard to say what would happen to them then. Goans in Europe, US and Canada have become pordexi Goenkars, unlikely to return back. Their Goanity has got eroded. In the US, the Goan Hindus and Catholics have separate organisations. Some years back, Udaybab says, when he went to a function at Orlando, US, he found not a single Catholic in the meet. It's good that many still cherish their Goan identity, but how much Goanity is there left in them? Uday Bhembre concludes: Goans who migrated to Mangalore and Cochin in the 16th and 17th century retained their Konkani language, but we don't call them Goans. Instead, they're Mangaloreans or Cochinites. For how long will the Goans in Europe and the US, who have left their Konkani language and culture, will be recognised as Goans? JUST A COMMENT: The Konkani campaigner's narration of Goa's linguistic reality often overlooks a number of ground level realities. For one, the strong Marathi preference in a section of Goans has more to do with local caste and community realities -- and also the hardline nature of Konkani extremism in Goa -- rather than an illogical position that Udaibab is making it out to be. Secondly, the difficulty of an expat population in keeping abrest with their language is a trend affecting many migrant communities from India (and beyond). It would obviously affect Goans, an infinitely smaller community with a far longer tradition of emigration, in a much more serious way. To say that Goans are ashamed to speak Konkani is an exercise in myth-making; I think most of those with a migratory background are simply unable to have fluency enough to do so... even if they wanted to. It's like arguing that two Indian computer engineers not carrying out a technical
[Goanet]Casting Agency in Goa? Vouched for Couch for Sale.
NOTES FROM A FILM-MAKER: Jason infacefilms at yahoo.com is a Goan film-maker who had put together the film Olivia's Puzzle a little while ago. More details about him at http://www.asongfordaniel.com He's shooting a new fiction feature film in Goa starting November and says: I'm looking to cast Konkani actors. Do you know any way to get in touch with a casting director or agency in Goa? It's a no-budget film, but it'll be a great work for anyone involved. There's a lot of roles -- so I'm looking to take care of this now. == Dear Fred, Please inform Jason that last month I was about to launch my Casting Agency for amateur actresses interested in getting a foot into the booming Videofilming-of-Tiatrs and Low-Budget-Konkani-Movies scene. I had rented an office. Purchased a couch. Placed classified adverts. Fixed up appointments with actress wannabes and ... when I was all set to launch a dozen careers, at least, that dastardly Shakti Kapoor had to go and get caught on camera and give the whole casting industry a big name. When the dust settles I might give it another go. Cecil P.S. Anyone wants to exchange their Magnetic Mattress for a never-used couch? Please sit on the couch at your own risk, though I can vouch for the couch not having any infected needles imbedded inside. =
Re: [Goanet]Thread: Abuse etc. - Marlon
--- Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should also add that your response to Rebecca and your attempt at giving it a racial tilt has me scratching my head as well. Marlon, You are miscontruing my response to Rebecca O'Leary. I say with all honesty that no racial tilt was intended on my part. I honestly don't know what race she belongs to. I don't even know if she is wholly or partly Goan herself by birth, marriage, relation, prior residence, etc. I am sure you know that people have unusual surnames from their own marriage or that of one of their parents. I don't know about you, but I am always bothered when one human being tries to talk down to his/her fellow human beings. This is not to say that you and I have not done this at times. But we need to keep each other honest about such things. The patronizing reference to the mentality of some Goans did not sit well with me. I know that other people were bothered by it as well. I am sorry. I hope you and Rebecca will forgive me for my candor. Cheers, Santosh
RE: [Goanet]British Sikhs pay homage to Pope John Paul II
Hi all, From: JESSICA DS goanet@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet]British Sikhs pay homage to Pope John Paul II Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:34:27 -0400 (The pope's expression of great sadness at the Indian army assault on the Golden Temple in Amritsar in 1984, was an example of the late pope's support, the federation said in a statement.) Nasci says: The statement by the Pope was not an expression of support for the sikh extremists storing/hidung large amount of weapons etc. in the Golden Temple for terrorist activities against a duly constituted Govt. at the time! It was just an expression of 'sadness' that the assault happened. No religious or political community should expect a free ride, in committing acts of terror and murder' which were abundant in those days; more so in a democracy, where they had access to various avenues to have their say! When Indira Gandhi told these extremists to contest the elections, they shied away from it; hence they are in no way different from the muslim extremists of today. (The pontiff also voiced his universal horror and dismay at the massacres of up to 20,000 Sikhs in November 1984 after the assassination of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi by two of her Sikh bodyguards.) Nasci says: This should not have happened; It is a great tragedy, which should not have happened. But it did; it only shows that there are many more of Narendra Modi and his gang type in many parts of Hindu India, and not only in Gujerat. A Melbourne Taxi had a sign on the rear windshield: India get out of Khalisthan! When I was alongside this taxi at a signal stop; I wound down my window and asked the Sardar driver: where the hell is Khalisthan? He had no answer. I know now, why there are 'Pat jokes and Sardar jokes'. (More recently the pope had intervened in the French debate about the wearing of religious symbols in schools saying it was an inalienable right of Sikhs in France to practice and propagate their faith and said no government should interfere with the inner core of any religion.) Nasci says: If the Pope had said this, then he is wrong! I do not think that wearing of turbans and Khadda and carrying a khukri is any sort of 'Dogma' with the sikhs; I know of many persons who are better sikhs when not following these socio religious fashions! I also knew of many sikhs who used to use their 'turbans' to smuggle watches, gold and what not by hiding the same in their turbans. Perhaps even now, some persons wearing turbans may be abusing turbans likewise. I dare the Indian Police, Customs and other civil authorities to examine cumpulsoriy, all turbans, where need be! I,m sure these extremists will then 'riot' in the name of religious practice. What a hocus pocus! The sikhs who are not wearing 'tubans and or Khaddas and kukhris will reach 'Heaven' first; less weight, and free from a guilt conscience or sin!! I do not understand why the 'Sikhs' who are such a nice people / community, cannot get together and disown all these external trappings; and comply with present day world trends. Yes, the French people and Govt. are right in banning these and other so called religious symbols etc in public; I would politely ask the British too, to ban turban wear by sikh drivers and conductors on London and Manchester buses. and other muslims wearing their symbols etc in public. Why not?? To hell with all these public atrocities. Lets have a new world order ! Nasci Caldeira Melbourne Down Under
Re: [Goanet]SCARED OF POTATOES,ARE YOU?
On Apr 8, 2005 5:12 AM, JESSICA DS goanet@goanet.org wrote: Show me someone who doesn't like potatoes..and i'll show you snow on the Equator. RESPONSE: Snow on the Equator? Certainly Mount Kenya on the Equator, in Kenya has a snow covered peak! -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]No apology required from Santosh
Santosh Helekar wrote: In any case, I want to apologize to Bevinda, Cecil, Mervyn, Seb and Rebecca for using their names without their permission to poke some fun, and use them as examples of brain-washed people. Cecil: Santosh, you need never apologise to me. Even if you spell apologise the American way with a 'z'. Feel free to call me brain washed, brain damaged, brain dead, brain less or whatever you wish as long as it is meant in jest or as a sarcastic tool, as was obvious in your posting. -- Santosh: I also want to saythat Mario Goveia is most likely a good man who just cannot resist being hostile and hyper-defensive in debate. I have my faults as well. So I want to apologize to him and others for any excesses that I might have committed. From now on I will leave Mr. Goveia alone. Cecil: Yes that 'infected needles' debate had been going on much too long, but I think it also was beneficial in the sense that people will think twice before simply forwarding panic-creating hoaxes in future. The long drawn debate also brought a few worms out of the woodwork to comment. Hopefully they will continue to interact and contribute and not just complain. As for leaving Mr. Goveia alone, I don't know what to say. If anyone continues to be personally abusive I think he/she has to be told off by other subscribers. We can't always expect the Admin Team to step in and play Big Momma. Cheers! Cecil =
Re: [Goanet]KUWAIT TIATRIST ZORO.
--- lino dourado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A. Veronica Fernandes wrote: KUWAIT TIATRIST ZORO. AVF: We are all Goans and as Goans we must not create divisions amongst us tiatrists, concluded Zoro. LINO: Well said Zoro. We all Goenkar in Kuwait are anxiously longing to see the unity. I would appreciate if my friend AVF will take the lead. Mogan, KUWAIT TIATRIST ZORO. AVF: We are all Goans and as Goans we must not create divisions amongst us tiatrists, concluded Zoro. YES , that is very TRUE , but how many of us really believe in these words ? i fully endorse Lino's remarks - I have often found Veronica - being negative in the posts he makes on this Goan Forum , I do not believe that , this is the way to build a UNITED GOAN COMMUNITY . i JOIN Lino in his call - and ask AVF and his friends including Zoro to JOIN us in our efforts to bring UNITY in our GOAN CommUNITY ..let AVF prove what he and his friends say - take the lead and prove to us . - We need ACTION not mere words. Stop complaining ..if WE cannot do something about what WE complain. rene barreto = We NEED YOUR LOVE WE NEED YOUR POSITIVE VOICES , we DO NOT NEED YOUR MONEY! 0 __ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest
[Goanet]Sequence of releasing re-formatted posts
Fred wrote: A number of posts are pending on Goanet since these have been sent in non-plaintext format. Also posts abusive of others are unlikely to be approved, so kindly take note accordingly. FN - Dear Fred, Could you kindly clarify what is the procedure for posting posts that have been kept pending because of re-formatting issues? Is it First-In First-Out. Or is preference given to posts that are on current topic? Or are first-time formatted-text-offenders given preference over continual offenders. Just wanted to know because I am in touch with other posters and have not been able to decipher how you guys decide which posts are re-formatted and sent first as it definitely does not follow any sequence as far as I can figure out. Feel free not to reply if it is a confidential internal secret of the Admin Team. Cecil ===
[Goanet]Cardinal Ivan Dias - by Bishop Ignatius Lobo (from Gomantak Times - Alister Miranda)
Below is the article which appeared a few days back in the Gomantak Times. Bishop Ignatius Lobo describes Cardinal Ivan Dias. The article was written by Alister Miranda who was gracious enough to send it to me on being requested. Alister can be contacted at alistermiranda at gmail.com. --- A linguist who joined hearts and built churches From Velsao to Vatican? INTRO: Bishop Ignatius Lobo, Bishop Emeritus of Belgaum, has seen the emergence and growth of His Eminence Ivan Cardinal Dias who is one among those in the reckoning to be the next Holy Father. In a special invitation essay for Gomantak Times, Bishop Lobo, who now lives a retired life at his palatial ancestral house in picturesque Siolim, profiles the Cardinal. His Lordship desisted from commenting on the Cardinal's chances of becoming the next Pope, saying that the selection of the Pope is in the hands of the Holy Spirit. SIOLIM: Ivan Cardinal Dias, the present Archbishop of Bombay was marked out for higher things already when he joined St Pius X College, Mumbai, for ecclesiastical studies. No sooner he completed his studies, in Humanities, Phylosophy and Theology, he was picked by the then Archbishop of Bombay, Valerian Cardinal Gracias for studies in Canon Law in Rome. He had a stint as Assistant Secretary, while I was Secretary to the Cardinal at Archbishop's House, Bombay. Thus, I had occasion to be closely associated with him and to strike up a close friendship. The purpose of the Cardinal sending him for studies in Canon Law was to prepare him to enter the Diplomatic School of the Church in Rome. Having come out with flying colours in Canon Law, he was asked to continue his studies in the Diplomatic School. Having graduated from there, he had to work for a time in the Secretariate of the Holy See. After his preliminary training, he was posted as Secretary to the Apostolic Delegate in Denmark. There he picked up Danish. The Danes were pleasantly surprised to hear him speak their language. Later he was posted to Indonesia as Secretary to the Apostolic Delegate, where he picked Indonesian. Then he was brought back to Rome for further training in the Secretariate in Rome. It was then that I had occasion to continue our friendship, as I had to attend meetings of Caritas Internationalis, of which I was Vice-President for Asia and Oceania. Whilst he worked at the Secretariat, he had special care of the Communist countries. This brought him in touch with the Archbishop of Krakow, who was elected in 1978 as Pope John Paul II. Thus explains the close relationship with the late Pope and Mgr Ivan Dias. Having completed his stint at the Secretariate, he was ordained Archbishop of Rusubisic on 19 January, 1982 and posted as Apostolic Pro-Nuncio to Ghana, Togo and Benin till 1987. From 1987 till 1991, he was Pro-Nuncio to South Korea and from 1991 till 1997 he was Apostolic Pro-Nuncio to Albania, which is largely a Muslim country. Archbishop Ivan Dias had the task of building the Church in Albania and he consecrated the first Bishop in that country. Pope John Paul II visited Albania and was pleased with the growth of the Church. Subsequently, as the See of Bombay fell vacant with the retirement of Simon Cardinal Pimenta, the Holy Father Pope John Paul II appointed Archbishop Ivan Dias to his parent archdiocese of Bombay on 22 January, 1997. In addition, he had been appointed as a member to several congregations, which explains his many visits to Rome. He is a linguist, and has a flair for languages. Besides, Italian, Spanish, French and Portuguese, he is reputed to speak in more than 15 languages. In Mumbai he says Mass in Korean for the people of Korea. Ivan Cardinal Dias was born on 14 April, 1936. Been born in Bombay, he studied at St Stanislaus High School, Bandra. After joining St Pius X College in Bombay, he spent his holidays regularly in Velsao, Goa, to be with his old aunt. Thus he kept his links with Goa, his place of origin.
[Goanet]Marx quote
Cecil has painstakingly researched and proved to me that the quote from Marx which I use as my email signature is not really a direct quote from Marx. http://www.uta.edu/english/cgb/marx/faves.html In 1865 Karl Marx filled out a self-portrait questionnaire that was in widespread circulation. One of his responses: Favorite motto: De omnibus dubitandum, One ought to question everything. As Cecil has pointed out, this is a quote by someone else (probably unknown) which Marx gave as his favourite motto. Also, it doesn't exactly mean 'Question everything'. Cecil, I give up! Hereby humbly accepting my inaccuracy. Nevertheless, I will persist in using the same (non)quote as my signature, since it expresses so well what one of the greatest thinkers of all time showed through his writings -- one should not take things at face value, but try and look beyond appearances. Also, blind acceptance of received wisdom will get you into a mess. But then I don't think Goanet needs to be told this. As a motto for Goanet, how about: Question everything, argue about everything, debate everything, and yes, once in a while, abuse everybody and everything! -- Question everything - Karl Marx
[Goanet]Jazz Junction in Goa
JAZZ JUNCTION featuring Yvonne Gonsalves...Vocals Xavier Peres...Keyboards Colin D'Cruz...Bass Lester Godinho...Drums 18th April, 9pm onwards Call Chris on 9422437682 for more information. JAZZ JUNCTION Jazz Junction was formed in Goa in April 2004 by bassplayer Colin D'Cruz. The band made it's debut at the fashion meets jazz show L'affaire Xtraordinaire in Panjim. Soon after that the band made waves at the 'Down to Earth' jazz festival in Campal and has since performed at most of the major live music events hapenning around the country. The band was formed with a unique 'floating singers/soloists' concept where a different singer and soloist is featured at every performance. Audiences get to hear the band in a different avatar each time the band is in concert. So far the band has featured some accomplished local as well as international jazz artistes like vocalists Helen Jones (UK), Najla Shami (Spain), Scot Andersen (Canada), Vivienne Pocha, Yvonne Gonsalves, Samantha Edwards, Sharon Rodrigues, Suzanne D'Mello, Ursulla Fernandes, saxophonists Neelamjit Singh Dhillon (Canada), Jayson Beaster Jones (USA), Maarten Gamwijcan (Germany), Joe Pereira, Saby Dias, Shyam Raj, trombonist Dennis Rollins (UK) and Blasco Monsorate, trumpet players Martin Dahanukar (switzerland) Frank Dubier and Bosco Monsorate. The band has also been invited to perform at the Malaysian jazz festival that takes place in December this year for which the band will feature a couple of Indian classical musicians as singer/soloist. live jazz promoted by www.jazzgoa.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com
