[Goanet] Goan Overseas Association elections
I received an email from a Goan Overseas Association (GOA) Toronto executive member informing me that there is talk of Kevin Saldanha running for president of the association. He wants to challenge Oscar Furtado who has been at the helm for maybe at least four terms. In a democratic setup, opposing an incumbent is part of the process. Oscar has worked hard to build the association and wants to continue his work. Those who have met and seen him work an attest to what I have said. Some years ago I asked him if he wasn't tired of running the GOA. He said he would quit if someone that he thinks would be an asset to the association comes forward to lead it. I doubt Kevin fits the bill. Forget how he ran the Goan International Convention and perhaps many will say I am bias because of what I wrote about it. No doubt would probably want to win the elections on the false canard that the convention, of which he The most recent news I heard from Toronto is that Kevin called the Goan Netters Association of Toronto (GNAT) and allegedly dissolved without inviting the president Francis Rodriques and secretary Bosco D'Mello. Francis is the founder-president and the man who originally thought of and worked to form the association. Besides, most constitutions of association gives the right to call a meeting to the secretary. On what basis Kevin called the meeting is a moot point. There is also talk that Francis has initiated legal proceedings against Kevin. Perhaps Francis himself or some GNAT members on this forum can clarify. The GOA AGM is on April 19. Goanetters in Toronto should make it a point to attend and vote for Oscar. Eugene
[Goanet] Daily Grook #380
DAILY GROOK #380 __ REAL DOGGEREL __ by Francis Rodrigues tho every dog has his day i'm given to understand, if his tail doesn't sway then he has a weak-end! _ puns word-play of all kinds, hey...read between the lines! _ _ Internet Explorer 8 helps keep your personal info safe. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9655581
[Goanet] Is Mathany communal ?
I am amused to read Goan Observer and now Valmiki Faleiro hinting at Mathany's fondness towards BJP. The question that needs to be answered is --- is Mathany communal ? Mathany did side with BJP as against the Congress. When asked why, Mathany feels that the Congress are worse looters than the BJP in Goa. He is definitely right. Mathany sided with Parrikar because he was impressed by Parrikar's management skills. Each one has his own views. But it is important to know that unlike Babush and Digambar, Mathany did not join BJP. He maintained his independence. If Mathany gets elected, will he support BJP or Congress ? Mathany has made the following clear in the Herald interview yesterday. That he will give support to anyone who has the good of Goa in their heart and in the policies. I think today as far as we Goans are concerned, stopping the selling of Goa and the loot that is going on is the most important issue. Sure dirty communalism can spring its head up anytime. But, I am sure we can trust Mathany not to side with Modi's version of politics. samir
[Goanet] VOA News - Indian Elections Feature Fight Between Youth, Experience
Hi Goanetters, These are the choices for the Indian voters. Rather depressing I think. What do you think? http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-04-18-voa23.cfm rubygoes
Re: [Goanet] Religion and Science
--- On Fri, 4/17/09, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote: Since you-both have asked for my clarification, I am stepping into this cross-current. Dear Gilbert, I had asked you to tell me why you think that even the religion that Fr. Ivo was preaching in these kinds of threads was pseudo-religion - a term that you used when you initiated this thread. Unfortunately, you have not done that in this post or any other. Instead, you have produced two posts whose contents as well as purpose are incomprehensible to me, and perhaps to others. So in order to try to understand what you are saying, let me ask you some simple questions and seek further clarifications from you. I would appreciate it if you could respond to them. There are the sciences of philosophy, theology, logic, human behavior etc. all of which fields (in varying degrees) are encompassed within the training of priesthood, irrespective of religion. Are you claiming that Christian priests and ministers, Muslim mullahs and imams, and Hindu bhots and swamis study science and scientific method as part of their theological curriculum? If so, could you please let me know the name of at least one science textbook that they are required to read. So IMO both Religion and Science can be scientific endeavors. Can you please explain how religion can be a scientific endeavor with at least one specific example? To be critical of the past (with a retro-spectroscope) is easy, may even border on demagoguery; but it is not very intellectual except for those with a low IQ. What in the world are you talking about here? The above statement does not make any sense at all in the context of what has been discussed in this thread. The problem is not the past but what is being done in the present - the fact that outdated ancient medical practices such as Ayurveda and Homeopathy are being practiced unchanged and untested at the present time. They are giving patients the same unregulated pre-scientific pills and potions that Dhanvantari and Hahnemann gave their patients centuries ago. How can you not recognize this simple fact after claiming in the same post that in your own field, breast cancer treatment has changed in less than three decades based on new findings, with the advent and insistence of the rigorous application of the scientific method in today's evidence-based scientific medicine? Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] PRAYER REQUEST FOR JOSE ROD
Dear Friends, We are saddened by the fatal news that JOSEPH RODRIGUES popularly known as JOSE ROD, a multi-talented individual hailed as the Super Star of the Konkani stage / Executive member of Guardian Angel Club - Kuwait / Founder member of Kuwait-Goa Tiatristanchi Sonstha - Kuwait / Member of Goan Welfare Society - Kuwait / Football player of United Friends Club – Kuwait – has been diagnosed of ‘BRAIN TUMOR’ and will be operated at the Hinduja Hospital at Mumbai on Thursday 23/04/2009 at 7 a.m. A humble request to all, to keep JOSE ROD in your prayers, so that the Almighty God may bless the hands of the surgeons who will be operating on him. Let us pray to Jesus to be present at the operating table for a successful operation. Kindly forward this to all your friends on your mailing list. May the good Lord bless you in abundance for your prayers. KGTS Managing Committee Members ( KUWAIT )
Re: [Goanet] Is the PM a liar?
--- On Sat, 4/18/09, Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com wrote: And then we have Shrikant Barve who echoes the sangh parivar line of calling him a liar without adducing any evidence whatsoever in support. And Santosh calls it criticism!!! Hey Bhagwan!!! The guy has no shame. He continues to slander a private citizen Shrikant Barve in this forum while trying to mislead Goanetters in addition. Shrikant merely asked a rhetorical question. Here is his original post: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-April/176423.html Any citizen of a country can ask such a question or raise such a doubt about their prime minister, president or any other elected official, as Mario has been doing about Barack Obama. Shrikant did not personally abuse Marshall or any other private citizen in his post. Whatever his political leanings might be, I have never seen Shrikant Barve abuse or slander anyone in any Goan forum. In fact, he did not even abuse the PM, a politician and an elected public figure, not subject to the same restrictions against public criticism that a private citizen enjoys. Shrikant simply raised a question. The answer to his question could have been No our`PM is not a liar. That is the answer I would have given him. I happen to believe that Manmohan Singh is one of the best prime ministers of India we have had. It would be a disaster if Advani or some other religious chauvinist became India's prime minister. However, that is not the answer Marshall gave Shrikant. He abused and slandered Shrikant with following statement: Do they also teach you to hallucinate in the daily shakhas? .Marshall Mendonza Please see: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-April/176514.html Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] Don't cry for me ......
Almost two thousand years ago Jesus Christ on his way to Golgotha turned to some women who were weeping and wailing for him and said : ''' Women of Jerusalem ! Don't cry for me ,but for yourselves and your children. For the days are coming when people will say , 'how lucky are the women who never had children.who never bore babies, who never nursed them! ' That will be the time when people will say to the mountains. 'Fall on us! ' and to the hills, 'Hide us ! '. For if such things as these are done when the wood is green ,what will happen when it is dry ? ''' Luke 27 - 31 Unfortunately, these words were put to nefarious use by a certain Adolf and his minions during the Second World War. Certainly not during my lifetime but in the near or distant future, the descendants of victims of casteist oppression in India will one day proudly proclaim ''' I am not a brahmin ''' .
[Goanet] Is the PM a liar?
Mon Apr 13 20:08:39 PDT 2009 Rajiv Desai wrote: [Goanet] re':shrikant barve i've often been tempted to write about this communal fathead who raves and rants on goanet. now that i have written, i'll not waste my time with such a contemptible pamphleteer. people like this are the bane of our nation. on Thu Apr 16 07:28:49 PDT 2009 santosh Helekar wrote: Marshall Mendonza wrote: Do they also teach you to hallucinate in the daily shakhas? Why is this guy abusing Shrikant Barve who has not personally attacked him in any way? COMMENT: Goanetters pls noteSantosh bab did not have any say as regards Rajiv Desai's post but instead he chose to ask Marshall...and Jose followed, as usual. In the meantime, the poster could not prove if the PM lied? Dev Borem korum Edward Verdes
[Goanet] Reponse to Bhaji on the beach
Dear Jason, This is with reference to your article, Bhaji on the Beach written in response to GBA's Picnic on the Beach invite to reclaim public spaces. You have raised several issues in your article. One of them is that if we do not have picnics on other beaches it amounts to selective targetting of a family. This is a typical response one gets when a general point is tried to be made through an individual case.The question asked is, why only the rape of Scarlette or the molestation by Narvekar or the land conversions by Babush or corruption by this Police or that Government official highlighted? While it is desirable that all cases should be addressed, does it mean that if we cannot take up all, we do not take up any? Just because some vested interests may take advantage of the protest and make us unwitting accomplices, do we allow the wrong doings to continue? My take on this is to do whatever possible with checks and balances. As a matter of fact, some years ago, we, as citizens of Goa, had held a similar picnic at the beach adjacent to the Taj, Candolim where locals used to be driven away by the security. You have also stated some of your aspirations from the GBA.You want a focused protest against the Government and a siege outside the Legislative Assembly till we put in place a legal and administrative system we want.You would like to see some more protests of civil disobedience where the livelihoods of people are the clear winners.You want a transparent and accountable governance through an efficient empowered panchayat.Only if these conditions are fulfilled will you participate. While there is nothing wrong in having aspirations, there is definitely something amiss when one does not want to participate out of choice stating that our protest will not continue onward to make the necessary challenge to the State. I believe that it is better to have tried and lost rather than not having tried at all. When GBA launched its first agitation against RP2011,we were not sure whether we would get 200 people.Yet we went ahead.The agitation not only revoked the RP2011, but inspired several village level struggles.for protection of livelihoods, lands and environment. You also stated that at the Land Acquisition Ordinance meeting in March, you hd suggested that we ought to focus on the larger processes through which the law in Goa is being subverted and we have to move our sights from manifestations to the root. . GBA is clear on that. However, for us ,the we means the people When GBA raised the demand for 73rd /74th amendment, it did not cut much ice with the people.The debate of whether the process was participatory or not was restricted to very few.Even the so called educated class could not make much sense of the debate in the newspapers. It is only when we explained the Draft RP 2021 to the people that they understood the importance of participatory process.People asked us whether the government would listen to their suggestions.That is the time we were able to impress upon them that the govt will be compelled if we have legal backing by way of 73rd/74th amendment which will be binding.Today we have support from the grass root level for this demand because people have understood and have therefore taken the initiative to write to the government demanding 73rd /74th, revocation of 16/16A which puts government projects outside the purview of RP. It is through the manifestations that one leads to the root.If these manifestations are not seen as problematic, then they remain firmly rooted with no challenge. Had we taken a stand that we will not participate because certain conditions of ours like 73rd/74th were not met, we would not have seen the kind of awareness and involvement of people in decision- making. Similarly had we taken a stand that we will not protest the Ordinance because it might look that we are targeting a particular family, we would not have reached this far of making a point on how the government bends backward to subvert law for the rich or on reclaiming public spaces. There has to be a connect between Theory and Practice. We are clear that we have to reach the finishing line.It does not matter whether we run a marathon or a relay.When the people at large will take this task upon themselves, it will not matter whether it was GBA's first or last step.It would be a positive step all the same. Come and enjoy the picnic. Regards, Sabina
[Goanet] Rose Fern's 'Mhaka Kiteak Podlam' staged in Dubai
GULF-GOANS e-NEWSLETTER (since 1994) From: Benedict Lobo benedictl...@gmail.com Rose Fern's 'Mhaka Kiteak Podlam' staged in Dubai Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 8:01 PMDubai:Roseferns (King of Centuries) and his troupe staged his latest drama 'Mhaka Kiteak Podlam' at the open Air Al Nasr Leisureland poolside to a packed audience last night,despite the recession and several Goan events which were scheduled for the day in Dubai.The evening saw some brilliant acting by Roseferns,Antonet De Maina and Roshan and rib tickling comedy by comedians Sally, Seby and Brian.Most noteworthy were the perfomances by 5 year old Baba Maythan who wowed the crowd by his singing.Mhaka Kiteak Podlam (Why should I bother) drives home the message of saving Goa for Goans,The tiatr touches upon the subject of Goan Identity and encourages the audience to get involved now and do something about the present state of affairs in Goa.Thanks to Mr. Roseferns who cleverly used this medium ,mixed with entertainment to touch upon a serious subject like Goan Identity.This show was presented by promoters Remy,Rosario, Bonny and Simplex.(RadioGoa Team). Pictures at www.radiogoa. net -- RadioGoa.net For the love of Konkani http://www.youtube.com/user/placidousa SAY A LITTLE PRAYER FOR A WELL-WISHER FRIEND OF GOA-WORLD TEAM Goa World Goa Mog Goa SuRaj Super Goa (em Português) TGF Writers' Sketchpad www.colaco.net www.goa-world. .com/goa/ music/ - The Online Music Station for KONKANI Mahableshwar http://www.mahables hwar.com St. Mary's School - Mt Abu, Rajasthan India http://www.abusms. com EXPRESSIONS - THE FLOWER SHOP http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/ http://www.w3.org/2006/10/SSML/papers/paper.pdf GOA MAG ONLINE http://www.goamag.net http://www.renewalsetc.com/renewals.htm
[Goanet] Is the PM a liar?
This message is response to message No:3, dated: Sun, 19 Apr 2009, from: Marshall Mendonza, on the subject as is mentioned above. Marshall wrote: . Just shoot and scoot... My reply: Marshall we are not talking about Marshel - Vergaon ferry crossing .. unless one is up to talking nonsense. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
Re: [Goanet] Goodbye Goa: HERALD(Goa), Apr 19, 2009
Dear Valmiki, From the time I have known you in cyberspace you have consistly come across as a man of integrity. Your wonderful style and indept knowledge of Goan politics has been a treat to read all these years. Your column will be sorely missed but on a positive note your much-awaited contribution to the annals of Goan history and literature can now begin. Warm regards, selma
[Goanet] Religion and Science
Dear goankars, As per e-mails below on the topic Religion and Science: - Please remember that in India, 60% of families, earn a total wage of approximately Rs. 2,000/- per month. Hence, the majority of Indians, when they fall sick, cannot afford expensive, allopathic drugs and therefore, have to take homeopathic, ayurvedic, herbal, etc. medicine which is less expensive. Yes, when all else fails, we pray to God for a miracle cure, and God always hears our prayers and cures us. Today any branch of medicine is encouraged to cure, mind, body, soul. We Indians are truly lucky and blessed, because we have friends and relatives of different religious beliefs who will pray for our good health, when we fall sick. A Catholic priest once said to me God looks after India, otherwise, how can you explain how most of our neighbouring countries are having major problems, while India, with different states, different religions, different languages etc. are still One India? = From: J. Colaco jc Subject: Re: [Goanet] Religion and Science 2009/4/16 Fr. Ivo C. de Souza From: Santosh Helekar To find out why the wild claims regarding homeopathy made by Fr. Ivo in the posts appended below are patently bogus, please read this article provided by a prominent British organization of scientists, promoting sense and science among lay people:
[Goanet] Talking Photo: This road leads to 'RAIBONDRA'
Talking Photo: This road leads to 'RAIBONDRA' and beyond http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk18/3448411350/sizes/l/ The other end of the road links to this traffic Island http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk18/3448412142/sizes/l/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Re: [Goanet] PRAYER REQUEST FOR JOSE ROD
Dear Cajetan, Thanks for the information. On hearing the distressing news of Jose Rod's severe illness and the consequent operation to be conducted on 23rd April, I join all his family and friends, in praying and invoking the blessings of God, for his successful surgery, medical treatment and well being. Pray all goes on well and Jose returns soon, hail and hearty. With all good wishes and ardent prayers, Rabindra Pimenta, Kuwait. Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 00:44:11 -0700 (PDT) From: CAJETAN DE cajde...@yahoo.com Subject: [Goanet] PRAYER REQUEST FOR JOSE ROD Dear Friends, We are saddened by the fatal news that JOSEPH RODRIGUES popularly known as JOSE ROD, a multi-talented individual hailed as the Super Star of the Konkani stage / Executive member of Guardian Angel Club - Kuwait / Founder member of Kuwait-Goa Tiatristanchi Sonstha - Kuwait / Member of Goan Welfare Society - Kuwait / Football player of United Friends Club ? Kuwait ? has been diagnosed of ?BRAIN TUMOR? and will be operated at the Hinduja Hospital at Mumbai on Thursday 23/04/2009 at 7 a.m. A humble request to all, to keep JOSE ROD in your prayers, so that the Almighty God may bless the hands of the surgeons who will be operating on him. Let us pray to Jesus to be present at the operating table for a successful operation. Kindly forward this to all your friends on your mailing list. ? May the good Lord bless you in abundance for your prayers. KGTS Managing Committee Members ( KUWAIT ) _ Windows Live™: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1b_explore_042009
[Goanet] Is the P.M. a liar
Very impressive C.V.of our prime minister Dr. Manmohan Singh. I wonder if Marshall Mendoza could give the educational qualifications of our present Goan montri's Mlas and amdars. also of the people who are thinking of joining the future government in Goa. Kind regards. Ignatius Fernandes. _ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/
[Goanet] Annual General Body Meeting 2009
Annual General Body Meeting 2009 Tuesday, 27 January 2009 18:19 NOTICE OF THE GOAN OVERSEAS ASSOCIATION ANNUAL GENERAL BODY MEETING Pursuant to Rule 15 (a) of the Goan Overseas Association Constitution, members are hereby notified that the Annual General Body Meeting of the Association will be held on Sunday April 19, 2009 at the Eatonville Library Community Room, (430 Burnhamthorpe Road at the East Mall) Etobicoke. Registration Starts at 11:30 a.m. The Meeting will commence at NOON Sharp. NOTICE OF THE GOAN CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION ANNUAL GENERAL BODY MEETING Notice is hereby given that the Annual General Body Meeting of the Goan Charitable Organization will be held at the Eatonville Library Community Room (430 Burnhamthorpe Road at the East Mall), Etobicoke, on Sunday April 19, 2009. The meeting of the G.C.O. will commence upon the completion of the Annual General Body Meeting of the Goan Overseas Association. rene barreto - london , UK GOANWORLD:http://worldgoan.blogspot.com/ I am what I am - not because YOU say so ,but because I am what .I AM !
Re: [Goanet] Is the PM a liar?
Marshall is now trying to deflect attention from the fact that his blatant abuse and slander of a private citizen was exposed once again on Goanet. That is why he has now turned on me. Very predictable! Please note the insinuation of two other Hindu names, Barad and someone called Rajiv Desai, whose posts I have never read. From the post that Marshall has dug up from the archives it appears that he also likes it when others abuse those whom he regards as his political opponents. Let us see how far he takes this deception and slander for selfish political reasons. Cheers, Santosh --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com wrote: Resp scoot. Let us all watch the video and decide for ourselves what is 'criticism' and what is slander. Regards, Marshall Ps: 1.Does the poster feel so weak and challenged that he needs the crutches of his buddies to fight his battles? 2. I did not see any reaction from him to the post of Rajiv Desai. Do we all understand that he agrees with Rajiv Desai? http://www.goanet.org/post.php?name=Newslist=goanetinfo=2009-April/authorpost_id=176481
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 4, Issue 398 - thread religion science
In defence of Fr Ivo my/his views on homeopathy. Life is too short for me to pick through every point made by Mario, Santosh, etc. They may have perfect arguments but I doubt it. With an older and younger men friends who have similarly rigid scientific opinions as the above-named, We agree to disagree. Our ability to do so strengthens mutual respect and affection. We may poke gentle fun at one another but we have no wish to overwhelm each other with facts, fiction, science or religion. Harmony is the name of our game. Scientific dogma has no appeal for me. If I may misquote TS Eliot: Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information TECHNOLOGY/JARGON/RHETORIC/SCIENTIFIC DISPUTES? TS Eliot is still revered for saying in a few words what others cannot communicate in reams: By three methods we may learn wisdom: first, by reflection, which is noblest; second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third, by experience, which is the most bitter. Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go.
[Goanet] To Jose Rod
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tiatr/3455397906/ Dear Jose Rod, Please get well soon. We want you We want your VCDs We want your Tiatr/songs Let me let you this I may have about 250 Konkani VCDs with me but your ( VCD year 2003) ‘Devan Dilem Devcharan Velem’ is still my No.1. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tiatr/3454583235/ You are unique, meaningul and powerful 'Boroinar ani Director' And that does not come from me alone. We are praying for your speedy recovery joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Is the PM a liar?
Santosh Helekar: Shrikant merely asked a rhetorical question. http://www.goanet.org/post.php?name=Newslist=goanetinfo=2009-April/datepost_id=176682 Private citizens have the right to severely criticize politicians and elected officials, as Mario, Samir and others are doing. http://www.goanet.org/post.php?name=Newslist=goanetinfo=2009-April/datepost_id=176559 Response: Please make up your mind whether he was asking a 'rhetorical' question or 'criticising' the PM.( Or echoing the latest canard emanating from the sangh parivar stables.) Santosh Helekar: No our`PM is not a liar. That is the answer I would have given him. Response: Had I been in Santosh' place, I would have asked Shrikant to either substantiate his claim that the PM is a liar with evidence or to retract his statement and offer an apology. Slandering the PM, a person of unimpeachable integrity is no laughing matter. Instead, what does Santosh do? He calls it 'criticism'. Criticism of what? One can criticise an act of commission or omission. But this is the first time that I am hearing of 'criticism' arising out of a figment of someone's imagination. I have repeatedly requested the poster to post the offending video clip or statement, but he consistently fails to do so. Should we believe that the stand the poster takes depends where his sympathies lie? Regards, Marshall
[Goanet] Goa Science Centre to celebrate World Earth Day
Goa Science Centre to celebrate World Earth Day 19 Apr 2009, 0610 hrs IST, TNN PANAJI: The World Earth Day will be celebrated on April 22 and in order to bring awareness among the young generation, Goa science centre, Panaji, will be organising various programmes from April 22-25. The programmes include a special film on conservation of environment and wildlife and, sky observations from April 22-25 at the centre. A quiz contest on Planet Earth will be held on April 24 at 12 noon for the school students. On April 25 a science lecture on Monsoon and cyclones -role of global warming' will be delivered by NIO scientist, Dr M R Ramesh Kumar, at 11.30am. The programmes are open for general public. For further details and information those interested should contact on 2463426. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Goa-Science-Centre-to-celebrate-W orld-Earth-Day/articleshow/4419045.cms ~(^^)~ Avelino
Re: [Goanet] Commemoration of 44th Birth Anniversary of Dr.Jack de Sequeira.
I was surprised to learn that Dr Jack Sequeira is, agewise, my junior by quite a few years! Obviously it's his 94th birth anniversary, not 44th! FN PS: Wikipedia says of the Burma-born politician: Joao Hugo Eduardo de Sequeira (20 April 1915 – 17 October 1989), popularly known as Dr. Jack de Sequeira[1]; also known as Jak Siker[2] according to local naming conventions, was a prominent Goan politician and is popularly known in Goa as the Father of the Opinion Poll[3]. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Jack_de_Sequeira 2009/4/19 Francisco Floriano Fernandes franciscofloria...@yahoo.com: Editor, Sir, Kindly publish my report/letter on your esteemed daily. Thanks. Commemoration of 44th Birth Anniversary of Dr.Jack de Sequeira On 20th of April 2007 Goa is going to commemorate the 44th Birth Anniversary of Dr.Jack de Sequeira commonly known as the father of the Opinion Poll-1967. The poll was conducted on the -- FN * http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com http://twitter.com/fn M +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 http://fredericknoronha.multiply.com/ http://goa1556.goa-india.org Sent from Pune, MH, India quot;It is not best to swap horses while crossing the river.quot; - Abraham Lincoln
[Goanet] BBC NEWS | Health | Many unaware of alcohol calories
Netters.are you aware that alcohol is loaded with calories? To some this mught be surprising. How about feni??? Con http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8002991.stm
Re: [Goanet] Ending part of popular Goan wedding (with Lynx)
Ignatius Bab, There are many konkani numbers the bands can play for the weddings. eg. Sacrament Zodlo by Seby, Mollbailou Dou, Adeus korcha vellar..etc but it all depends on the MC and the couple getting married. They can easily request the MC and the band to play konkani numbers.. This reminds me in 2005, I had my daughters first holy communion in Mumbai and there was a mix crowd for the function ...we chose the songs to be played for the dance which included a few konkani songs besides the Masala. In the end i requested the MC (Goan) to always play Konkani numbers for the goan functions. Now whenever I meet this MC he reminds, I have kept your word and always play Konkani Music for Goan Functions in Mumbai.. I think it all depends on each one us to keep the Konkani language alive. Dev borem Korum Edward Verdes http://edskantaram.blogspot.com/ After the lcl.I made it sure there were atleast 2-3 konkani numbers. From: ignatius fernandes I too complained bitterly about Goan bands playing English songs of yore (circa 1960 and 1970). I was reprimanded by JoeGoauk saying that Goan bands do not play many Konkani songs but churn out these old rubbish English songs to please the young Goan boys and girls who I am led to believe like these songs. How can we sustain our culture when these bands keep playing English songs. I cannot see any hope for Konkani language when we do not promote our own culture. Kind regards. Ignatius Fernandes.
[Goanet] Protect Goan identity: UGDP
Protect Goan identity: UGDP 19 Apr 2009, 0610 hrs IST, TNN MARGAO: The United Goans Democratic Party (UGDP) on Saturday made a passionate plea to the people to support the regional outfit in the Lok sabha elections with a view to safeguarding the interests of Goans and protecting the identity of the land. Addressing a public meeting at Lohia Maidan Margao, UGDP leaders accused the Congress-led government of working against the interests of Goans and urged the people to reject the Congress at the hustings. Radharao Gracias, in his address, made a scathing attack on chief minister Digambar Kamat accusing him of indulging in vote bank politics to the detriment of the locals. The chief minister's policy of appeasing the migrants to strengthen his vote-bank has resulted in a heavy influx of the migrant population in Margao. The locality around his residence at Margao is so populated with migrants which makes one wonder whether Kamat is the chief minister of Karnataka, Veigas said. Sympathising with PWD minister Churchill Alemao for being deceived by the Congress by the dishonour of the agreement that promised Valanka the party ticket, Gracias advised Alemao to quit the party for the insult heaped on him. Churchill is a leader of the masses in the true sense of the term. If the Congress can backstab its own leader, one can well imagine what will be the plight of the aam admi in a Congress-led government, Veigas stated. Party candidate Matanhy Saldanha in his speech, assured to make all-out efforts to secure special status for Goa under Article 371 of the constitution. The special status for Goa will ensure that the land, culture and laws of our state are safeguarded, Matanhy said. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Protect-Goan-identity-UGDP/articl eshow/4419040.cms ~(^^)~ Avelino
Re: [Goanet] Religion and Science (part 2)
I cannot believe what Gilbert has written in the post appended below. He has not only misled Goanetters on the subject of placebos, and how and why they are used in drawing inferences about the effectiveness of treatments, but he has made questionable statements on the treatment of pneumonia - a potentially fatal disease, if not properly treated. The following quotes in particular are very troublesome. In case of pneumonia, reserve the antibiotics only to those who do not respond to 'chicken soup'. ..Gilbert Lawrence I want to ask Gilbert if, as a physician, he would recommend that a person who has been diagnosed with pneumococcal pneumonia be treated with chicken soup alone. The standard of care today mandates that an elderly pneumonia patient be treated with modern antibiotics within 8 hours to substantially reduce the chances of 30 day mortality. So, Homeopathy works... not in all patients. But we do not know how i.e. no current explanation of the mechanism of action. ..Gilbert Lawrence He wrote this because he found out that there is no difference between homeopathic remedies and placebos. This tells me that he has not understood why placebos are used in clinical trials, and how to interpret such a result. The correct interpretation of this finding is that homeopathic remedies are not effective at all. A placebo is an experimental control to rule out nonspecific factors such as spontaneous recovery because of the self-limiting nature of many illnesses, subjective feelings of improvement, subconscious conditioning, temporary but long lasting remission, rare spontaneous cure, misclassification of illness, etc. The placebo effect is observed mostly in illnesses that have a strong psychological component. In fact, a recent study in the New England Journal of Medicine has cast doubt on whether there is a significant placebo effect at all, if one focuses on illnesses with good objective measures. Here is the link to that full paper: http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/344/21/1594 Here is its conclusion: We found little evidence in general that placebos had powerful clinical effects. Although placebos had no significant effects on objective or binary outcomes, they had possible small benefits in studies with continuous subjective outcomes and for the treatment of pain. Outside the setting of clinical trials, there is no justification for the use of placebos. Therefore, when a clinical trial leads to the finding that a drug works no better than a placebo, the trial is thought to be a failure, resulting in the rejection of that drug as a valid treatment. Evidently, Gilbert does not know this. If homeopathy works (say) in 50 percent of cases; why not give it to those patients. True science would / should work on identifying the OTHER fifty percent of patients that are unlikely to respond to (say) the 'chicken soup'. .Gilbert Lawrence Here again Gilbert unfortunately does not understand the simple fact that it is impossible to know before hand which patient would show a placebo effect, and which would require specific treatment. Please note the 8 hour window for pneumonia above. If you do not treat all elderly patients with pneumonia within 8 hours with antibiotics the chances of death over the next 30 days go way up. The sad part is even at the highest levels, (university/research labs) no efforts are made to answer difficult questions and seek honest answers. Despite the lofty statements, sciences often may have an economic angle. If we had been honest, we would have spent the last thirty years developing newer / better drugs for breast cancer; .Gilbert Lawrence Would anyone believe that a guy who makes the above absurd blanket statement is trying to advocate the use of untested homeopathic remedies, which have not progressed much beyond the 19th century? I would ask Gilbert to tell me what the efficacy of homeopathic therapy against breast cancer is. What percentage of such patients are cured by it, and what honest efforts have been made by homeopaths to test the efficacy of their old treatments and find new treatments over the last thirty years? The rest of what Gilbert has written regarding Goan tailors, etc. and comparison with ayurveda fails the laugh test. Cheers, Santosh --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote: From the link that Santosh provided, the second paragraph states, The scientific evidence shows that homeopathy acts only as a placebo, and there is no scientific explanation of how it could work any other way. So, Homeopathy works ... not in all patients. But we do not know how i.e. no current explanation of the mechanism of action. The placebo effect is still an effect triggered by as yet unknown factor. The placebo effect lies beyond the body's existing ability to heal. The placebo effect may be mind over matter, or if one want to sound scientific, the immune
[Goanet] Launch of Parmal Magazine
Goa Heritage Action Group is launching the 7 Vol . of their magazine PARMAL on Saturday, 25th April, at 5.30 pm at Gitanjali Art Gallery, Fontainhas, Panjim. Please do come with family and friends. Cheers Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami -- next part -- - -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2066 - Release Date: 04/18/09 09:55:00
Re: [Goanet] LOK SABHA ELECTIONS: MY CHOICE
A clasic example of an Ostrich burying its head in the sand in full view of extreme danger. This 15th. Lok Sabha Elections has nothing to do with Shripad Naik, OR Jitendra Deshprabhu Or Sardinha, Or Matanhy Saldanha Or whoever. It is either Manmohan Singh or LK Advani. And those who want to give the reins of my beloved country in the hands of traitor and criminal LK Advani, I perceive them as TRAITORS. So much for understanding politics . My stance would be neutral if LK Advani was not the Prime Ministerial Candidate of the BJP. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Aires Rodrigues airesrodrigu...@gmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:00 AM Subject: [Goanet] LOK SABHA ELECTIONS: MY CHOICE To effectively deal with the global economic crisis our country is in dire need of some political stability and good effective governance. In a democracy the people get a government they deserve and the choices before the Goan electorate on 23rd April are very clear cut. About the overnight opportunistic switching of parties by Jitendra Deshprabhu the less said the better. The Congress gave the NCP the North Goa seat and a candidate too. What a package! My vote is no secret. It would deservedly go to Mr. Sripad Naik who hails from my village. A very sincere, humble and accessible person who has reached out to the people at all times. If I had to reside in the South my lawyer colleague, the talented down to earth Mr. Narendra Savoikar would have been my unanimous choice. Francisco Sardinha’s involvement in the Marks scandal when he was Education Minister in 1980 and his wrong priorities over the years deserves that he be given the much needed political rest. He should in fact have been grateful to the BJP for having been able to sit and rock the Chief Minister’s chair which he lost while on a trip to Australia to visit the Kangaroos in Oct 2000. After decades in politics so much is his political immaturity that he even showed disrespect to Sonia Gandhi when he became Chief Minister only to later fall at her feet seeking re-entry into Congress party, a party known for its divisive communal and caste politics. The pair of scissors ( kator ) should not be used to split the anti-Congress votes but to snip the evil Congress hand itself. Aires Rodrigues Ribandar Mobile: 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Is Mathany communal ?
Dear Samir, I have not suggested that Mathany is communal. But, please do say, do you have any doubt who he would support in the event he wins? Why take shelter under ambivalent utterances like give support to anyone who has the good of Goa in their heart and in the policies?? I give 10 out of 10 to Mathany on political loyalty. There's none like him in the breed of Goan politicos today. If he wins, I have no doubt who between the UPA and NDA our dear Mathany will support. Rgds, v Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 23:08:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com Subject: [Goanet] Is Mathany communal ? To: goanet@lists.goanet.org I am amused to read Goan Observer and now Valmiki Faleiro hinting at Mathany's fondness towards BJP. The question that needs to be answered is --- is Mathany communal ? Mathany did side with BJP as against the Congress. If Mathany gets elected, will he support BJP or Congress ? Mathany has made the following clear in the Herald interview yesterday. That he will give support to anyone who has the good of Goa in their heart and in the policies. Sure dirty communalism can spring its head up anytime. But, I am sure we can trust Mathany not to side with Modi's version of politics. samir
[Goanet] Is Mathany Communal?
Dear Goanet reader Samir Wrote: I am amused to read Goan Observer and now Valmiki Faleiro hinting at Mathanys Fondness towards BJP As i wrote in my earlier post,Looks like opponents of Mathany are in overdrive to label Mathany as communal so as to influence the Catholic voters who have been taken for a ride in the name of communalism all this while.You can fool them once,twice or thrice, but cant fool them all the time. It is easy and cheap to call Mathany Communal. But, doing what Mathany has done all these years for Goa and Goans, needs Courage of Conviction, Comittment, dedication and above all,genuine love for Goa and Goans. Ask the Hindus and Muslims about his Secular Credentials and not the Journalists. Truth and good will always triump over EVIL! Cheers Anesimo AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.
Re: [Goanet] Vote for Mathany Saldanha
*“I don’t want to get involved in politics”* Dear Arwin, What axactly are you trying to tell GOANs by the above?? -We know that you have not filed your nomination papers for the 15th Lok Sabha Elections. -We know that you are not actively campaignning for Congress or BJP or UGDP etc. -We know too that you are not in Goa presently where the election fever is hotting up. -We know that you have been very very vocal about Goa's politics and Goa's politicians for far too long. And yet you prefer to tell us that you don't want to get involved in politics !! Pray what is it that you have been talking about for so long and doing so now, if it is not politics??? Or is it some kind of a 'bangra dance?? Please do not get me wrong here. I am not critiking you. All I am saying is that your line above is sending wrong signals to Goans who always but always have been comfortable to be 'ARMCHAIR POLITICIANS' whose 'APOLITICALITY' has done almost irreversible damage to Goa's fabric that you have been talking about for so long. I don't think Goans who are concerned and worried about Goa's well-being can afford to say *“I don’t want to get involved in politics”* They have to. There is no other alternative. Each and every one of us Goans must imparatively get INVOLVED IN GOA'S POLITICS if we want to SAVE GOA from the circling VULTURES. B/rgds floriano goasuraj PS: Your advice to South Goans to vote for Matanhy is fine. I too want them to vote for him. But not unless and untill Matanhy comes clear how he will vote incase he wins from South Goa: (Manmohan Singh Or TF candidate or L.K. Advani). If Matanhy's choice is LK Advani, then I will shout from the roof-tops to advise South Goans to give a wide berth to Matanhy and to vote for Sardinha instead. Period. We must start by saving 'India' if we want 'Goa saved'. - Original Message - From: Arwin Mesquita arwinmesqu...@gmail.com To: Goanet goa...@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:43 AM Subject: [Goanet] Vote for Mathany Saldanha It is high time we Goans re-think our negative political attitude. Like it or not, our influence is critical for the survival of Goa Goans. The mindset *“I don’t want to get involved in politics”* is only helping Goa’s enemies, as we give them a free hand to do whatever they want, for their corrupt interests. Let’s at least support specific candidates on issue basis only and change them if they don’t deliver. Yes, we have apprehensions about politicians but surely we can manage them wisely, to get our objectives done!! For instance, on the contestants for the South Goa Lok Sabha seat; I appreciate what critics say, but I still think that Mathany Saldanha is far better than the rest i.e. (1) Historically he is the only one who was the most vocal of the candidates, against various anti-goan initiatives e.g. SEZ’s, Draconian Regional Plan etc (2) His party manifesto is the most detailed comprehensive vs. all others, on not only the need, but also on the ways to protect/preserve Goa its identity. (3) We have given so many chances to the others and they have clearly let Goans down; so let us now change and give a chance to someone new!! (4) Other politicians falsely malign Mathany, by linking him to the so called communal elements; those very politicians tasted power by aligning themselves, with very elements that they now call “communal”. (5) Worst Case, even if Mathany is elected and does nothing; by just electing him we can send a strong message to the national parties that Goans cannot be taken for granted and it’s high time they start putting in measures to protect Goa, its identity and stop the destruction of our beautiful land. Goans please act before it is too late!! Arwin Mesquita (UAE)
Re: [Goanet] Is Mathany communal ?
I browsed thro' Matanhy's Web/Blog and I registered my comments which go some what like this: Dear Matanhy, I notice that something important is missing in your bio-data. Were you not one of the founding members of the 'GOMANT LOK POXH'? Why should something important like this be missing from your biodata? It is my wish that you should win and represent Goa in the National Parliament. With UPA, NDA and the TF in power-play it is inevitable that none of the above players will get absolute majority. UPA-TF or NDA-TF will be asked to prove majority. Considering your chronic hate of the Congress, how will you vote if UPA/NDA is asked to prove strenght in the house? Will you vote for UPA and Manmohan Singh or NDA and LK Advani. I would like to know because I, and therefore, goasuraj, considers LK Advani more of a candidate for Tihar jail rather than for the prestigious PM's chair. floriano goasuraj PS: I am not sure if my (above) comments have been registered online on Matanhy's blog. - Original Message - From: Valmiki Faleiro valmi...@gmail.com To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:15 AM Subject: [Goanet] Goodbye Goa: HERALD(Goa), Apr 19, 2009 GOODBYE GOA By Valmiki Faleiro In South Goa, you're luckier. You have one for the former, and a choice of two for the latter! - Original Message - From: Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: [Goanet] Is Mathany communal ? I am amused to read Goan Observer and now Valmiki Faleiro hinting at Mathany's fondness towards BJP. The question that needs to be answered is --- is Mathany communal ? Mathany did side with BJP as against the Congress. When asked why, Mathany feels that the Congress are worse looters than the BJP in Goa. He is definitely right. Mathany sided with Parrikar because he was impressed by Parrikar's management skills. Each one has his own views. But it is important to know that unlike Babush and Digambar, Mathany did not join BJP. He maintained his independence. If Mathany gets elected, will he support BJP or Congress ? Mathany has made the following clear in the Herald interview yesterday. That he will give support to anyone who has the good of Goa in their heart and in the policies. I think today as far as we Goans are concerned, stopping the selling of Goa and the loot that is going on is the most important issue. Sure dirty communalism can spring its head up anytime. But, I am sure we can trust Mathany not to side with Modi's version of politics. samir -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2065 - Release Date: 4/17/2009 5:52 PM
[Goanet] Religion and Science
Dear Santosh, Thank you for your polite response and not knit-picking my post. Let me answer your questions: SH: Are you claiming that Christian priests and ministers, Muslim mullahs and imams, and Hindu bhots and swamis study science and scientific method as part of their theological curriculum? If so, could you please let me know the name of at least one science textbook that they are required to read. GL: Theology is a required curriculum subject that Catholic priests study. Fr. Ivo can give you a list of simplified and high-level theological books and other books on logic and deductions. Please tell us the names of five theological books you have studied (not just read)? I look forward to your reply. SH: Can you please explain how religion can be a scientific endeavor with at least one specific example? GL: Here may be the problem - Semantics! Please read my definition of scientific inquiry. Please ask questions ABOUT religion instead of trying to provide answers TO religion. I think religion has plenty to do with individual and social behavior. Yes, there are anecdotal exceptions to the rule. Demagogues love to quote these anecdotal cases. SH: The problem is not the past but what is being done in the present - the fact that outdated ancient medical practices such as Ayurveda and Homeopathy are being practiced unchanged and untested at the present time. GL: The NCI (National Cancer Institute) in the USA has multimillion dollar research studies on Alternative Medicine. After making sure there is no infection, my patients of prostate cancer with urinary symptoms are recommend, plenty of fluid intake and Cranberry juice (from the grocery shelf) along with radiation for their cancer.. About seventy percent have good relief of their urinary symptoms. The remainder get medications after a three day trial of Cranberry Juice. There are therapeutic benefits to massage, acupuncture, manipulation, exercise, etc. When osteopathic medicine first started (by an allopathic doctor), allopathic / scientific medicine rejected it. But there is definitely a role for manipulation in patient care. Similalry 'cognitive therapy' may have a role in preventing and treating Alzheimer's and other neurological disorders. Perhaps you can write on the scientifically proven (with EEG and MRI studies) effects of meditation - mind-altering technique and the effects of the same on the body. In this regard, likely you have read the works of neuroscientist Richard Davidson of the University of Wisconsin. Here is a non-scientific web link for those interested: http://meditation-health.suite101.com/article.cfm/meditation_changes_the_brain http://www.healthy.net/scr/Interview.asp?Id=306 It is said that among all illnesses presenting to a Primary Care Physician, about 70 percent are self-limiting (self-healing). We would all agree that in these situations, allopathy, homeopathy, Ayurveda or 'chicken soup' should do equally well. I will grant you that medications may make the recovery process faster. Of the remainder, about ten percent of illnesses are too far advanced and irreversible for any treatment to significantly help. Perhaps here we can improve the quality of life. These are chronic illness and terminal illness. Skilled medical intervention really helps in about twenty percent of illnesses - but here it can make the difference between life and death. The important point is: All of us should understand and accept the limitations of what we do. I have said on this forum before: A good surgeon knows how to operate. A great surgeon knows when not to operate. Regards, GL
Re: [Goanet] Shantidoot
George Pinto wrote: I am deeply troubled that one poster or a few posters caused Shantidoot not to further post his daily limericks. Alfred de Tavares responded: Hear! Hear!! Mario added: Deeply troubled??? Hear! Hear!??? Kitem re?? Tsk, tsk, tsk. Surely we can muster a lot more passion and outrage than this !!!?? Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:16:07 -0700 (PDT) From: marlon menezes goa...@yahoo.com Thanks to popular demand, I shall return! Marlon Mario asks: Are you Shantidoot, or his abuser?
Re: [Goanet] Goodbye Goa: HERALD(Goa), Apr 19, 2009
Dear Selma, Thank you for your kind words. They mean a lot. And, on a more hopeful note, I wish you will write for the press media in Goa more than you currently do! Reciprocally, v - Original Message - From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Cc: valmi...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goodbye Goa: HERALD(Goa), Apr 19, 2009 Dear Valmiki, From the time I have known you in cyberspace you have consistly come across as a man of integrity. Your wonderful style and indept knowledge of Goan politics has been a treat to read all these years. Your column will be sorely missed but on a positive note your much-awaited contribution to the annals of Goan history and literature can now begin. Warm regards, selma
[Goanet] Religion and Science
Date: 19 Apr 2009 08:16:18 - From: jane gillian rodrigues janerodrig...@rediffmail.com Yes, when all else fails, we pray to God for a miracle cure, and God always hears our prayers and cures us. Mario asks: HE does? Are you suggesting that those who die every day do not pray for a miracle cure? Jane Gillian wrote: We Indians are truly lucky and blessed, because we have friends and relatives of different religious beliefs who will pray for our good health, when we fall sick. Mario asks: Why are these people wasting their meager savings on useless placebos when they and their relatives can pray for free? Jane Gillian wrote: A Catholic priest once said to me God looks after India, otherwise, how can you explain how most of our neighbouring countries are having major problems, while India, with different states, different religions, different languages etc. are still One India? Mario responds: The last time I checked, God's job is to look after everyone. I wonder if the same Catholic priest is suggesting that God is punishing Pakistan, Afghanistan and previously Iraq, just to name a few examples. I would like the Catholic priest to explain all the human tragedies in India - or, at least, just the recent ones from from Godhra to Orissa to Karnataka to Mumbai, with the next one just around the corner. Is the Catholic priest suggesting that those who died were being punished by God? Were the abused nuns in Kerala being punished by God?
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 4, Issue 398 - thread religion science
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:09:36 +0100 From: RGrootendorst rgrootendo...@btclick.com Life is too short for me to pick through every point made by Mario, Santosh, etc. They may have perfect arguments but I doubt it. Mario responds: Oh, c'mon, Rita, don't be a sissy!:-)) Actually, wouldn't it make far more sense to say that life is too short to live it based on bogus information and beliefs???:-)) I gather that your proof of our imperfect arguments lies in your inability to respond to a single point made by us:-)) Memo to Goanet: Poking gentle fun at Rita :-)) Rita wrote: We may poke gentle fun at one another but we have no wish to overwhelm each other with facts, fiction, science or religion. Harmony is the name of our game. Mario asks: It is? So, are you saying that falsehoods should be allowed to stand unchallenged, for the sake of harmony? Wouldn't tyrants always prevail if left unchallenged for the sake of harmony? Rita wrote: Scientific dogma has no appeal for me. Mario responds: I think we already know that from your staunch advocacy of snake oil and little pink sugar pills. Rita wrote: TS Eliot is still revered for saying in a few words what others cannot communicate in reams: By three methods we may learn wisdom: first, by reflection, which is noblest; second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third, by experience, which is the most bitter. Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go. Mario responds: Deciding to use bogus medications, whether by reflection or imitation, is the exact opposite of wisdom and are more likely than not to result in a bitter experience. If TS Eliot said this, he had to be talking about finding out how far one could go to ascertain a fact. In the medical field one does this by taking the risk of testing the snake oil and the little pink sugar pills using logic and common sense methods of objectivity in order to find out the relative probability that they work and under what conditions, or whether they are simply like placebos. The bitter experience would be reserved for the stuff that does not pass the test. Better that bogus medications have this bitter experience than someone who is falsely led to believe in it by reflection or imitation.
[Goanet] LOK SABHA Elections : MY Choice
Floriano writes: This 15th. Lok Sabha Elections has nothing to do with Shripad Naik, OR Jitendra Deshprabhu Or Sardinha, Or Matanhy Saldanha Or whoever. It is either Manmohan Singh or LK Advani. There is a saying in Konkani --- Xitafundem mith khai naka. Roughly translated it means -- Dont eat salt before the rice -- or some such thing. Floriano insults Indian people when he says that the choice is between Manmohan and Advani. The voting is yet to take place; there are tons of candidates for the Indian people to choose from and in all their wisdom let us hope that they will choose the right candidates. Mathany is one of them. How can one be sure before hand that there are only two choices for the PM's post ? Not just that, who knows what power any upcoming PM will have? Our current choice is to elect our best representative. And surely Mathany is the best. There is nothing ambivalent in Mathany saying that he will decide the PM based on the one who will do the best for Goa Whatever one may say, one thing surely one can be assured --- no one can do worse than Sardinha, and the other jokers we have elected in the past! In other words, Mathany definitely deserves a chance much more over these other jokers (for want of a better word). regards, Samir
[Goanet] Portuguese pirates in the Sunderbans...
Could anyone help please? Zakir (below) is zakirkib...@gmail.com and his URLs are: http://banglapraxis.wordpress.com http://phulbariresistance.blogspot.com http://praxisbooks.wordpress.com http://gramsciinstitute.wordpress.com http://fullmoonfever.wordpress.com http://riversandcommunities.wordpress.co... http://struggleforliberty.wordpress.com -- Forwarded message -- From: Facebook notification+vhw1...@facebookmail.com Subject: Zakir Kibria sent you a message on Facebook... To: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com Zakir sent you a message. Subject: request: research on Portuguese introduction of plants and fruits in Bengal Dear Frederick, hope all is well. My work takes me to southwest coastal region of Bangladesh. Sundarbans mangrove forest and areas north of it. I work on river basin management, biodiversity and climate change issues in the region (apart from other work). I noticed that this region has a lot of fruit plans introduced by Portuguese pirates. They used to occupy small islands inside Sundarbans, and lived for years. I am interested to research more about it. Could you please lead me to literature that may help me get started? Regards, zakir -- FN * http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com http://twitter.com/fn M +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 http://fredericknoronha.multiply.com/ http://goa1556.goa-india.org Sent from Pune, MH, India quot;A chicken is a means for one egg to produce another.quot; - George Bernard Shaw
Re: [Goanet] LOK SABHA ELECTIONS: MY CHOICE
2009/4/18 Aires Rodrigues airesrodrigu...@gmail.com: [1] My vote is no secret. It would deservedly go to Mr. Sripad Naik who hails from my village. A very sincere, humble and accessible person who has reached out to the people at all times. [2] If I had to reside in the South my lawyer colleague, the talented down to earth Mr. Narendra Savoikar would have been my unanimous choice. [3] Francisco Sardinha’s involvement in the Marks scandal == response: I do not trust politicians in general - mainly because trustworthy individuals do not get elected. A classic example is - Tony Correia Afonso from Benaulim. The people from Benaulin KNOW that Tony is trustworthy, honest and capable. BUT, Tony will never get elected from Benaulim. He, unfortunately, is too honest for the corrupt people who vote. Even so I wish Mr Naik and Mr Savoikar well. I do suggest however that Aires has a very poor record of supporting losing candidates. About scandals, I'd say this: He who lives in glass house - should not throw stones at others. jc
[Goanet] RELIGION AND SCIENCE
Dear Santosh, Science is no match for religioud belief. We go to temples, churches and pray to a particular deity or saint, with a mind set. Human mind is very complex and if one truly believes the favour will be granted or certain ailment will be healed, it is possible it might. As an example, I firmly believe if you pray to Saint Antony, to help find a lost item, there are 99.9% chances he will help you find it. It has happened to me. Similarly devotees make a vow and if the favour is granted, they will fulfill what they promised in return. See the several Hindu devotees donate huge amounts in gratitude at the Temples. Similarly, a honest. god fearing Homeopathic practitioner, mostly does it as a social service, expecting noting in return unless he is commercial minded. I have known, for example, my grand mother treated Jaundice but did not expect any thing in return, but the cured patient some timesused to come and thank her. That's all. In the bargain, I had to go hunting for all the herbs, shrubs, and roots she wanted. So do not be skeptical but if you want to do scientific study, observe such practitioner. Do not pressurise Fr. Ivo. He has written in good faith. It is time, we learn from our elders what they have learned from their elders, because some times (ZAD/PALO) herbs and shrubs do cure certain diseases, but it takes time. At the same time, let me tell you, allopathic medicines are habit forming and seem not to work after prolonged use and in that case, the physician will prescribe higher dosage. Sinderely Maurice D'Mello Toronto
[Goanet] Matanhy, the best choice
Dear fellow Goans, As the final countdown is nearing this Parliamentary election, there are bound to be “ifs” and “buts” in the voters mind which is quite understandable. A lot has been said and published about the candidates on offer through the media and cybernet. For South Goa parliamentary constituency, Matanhy Saldanha appears to be the only politician with a vision, who does his homework well and pursues his goals with conviction of purpose. His mission during the last 35 years and leadership to peoples’ struggles speaks volumes of his honesty and selfless devotion to Goa and its people. Through this election campaign Matanhy has already achieved in making his demand for Special status, popular with the people and finding favour with all the major parties contesting. Moreover, every issue Matanhy has raised and fought has been taken on board by successive Governments in the past, and it is interesting to see now too, the Congress and BJP camps are chanting the slogans of “Special status” for Goa and CRZ issues, etc. though not out of belief, but more as an election gimmick, beware. The Congress knows how easily the Goan electorate can be fooled, like Eduardo Faleiro did during the Konkan railway realignment agitation and Sardinha whose reputation is not any better, even after more than 30 years in power, must be told in no uncertain terms, that Goa is faced withmore important issues that need attention on priority, than his nonsense of legalizing “Dhirios” . With crucial issues like CRZ, SEZ , Mega Housing and illegal Mining to name a few, haunting the aam aadmi, the Congress cannot be trusted at all, and since the BJP - Modi brand hidden agenda is alien to peace loving Goans, the only choice is ‘KATOR’ in the safe hands of Matanhy Saldanha. Matanhy therefore is the best choice by miles May God save our Goa. Geraldo Oliveira
[Goanet] What price in the name of fighting communalism ?
In the name of fighting communalism, can Congress in Goa come upfront and tell us how much loot they are making ? Yes, communalism is a danger, but rest assured we will fight it whether there is Congress or no Congress. But how are we going to fight corruption? Can Digamber come out publicly and tell the world how much money he has made in the last couple of years ? What has Sardinha done for the people ? Can he come out and list his achievements ? It is not that Valimki doesnt know all of the above. regards, Samir
[Goanet] Film: Das Avatar
Das Avatar We watched the movie ‘Das Avtar’ this late night show.With Kamla Hassan , Jayapradha, Malika Sherawat etc The audience was about 25 this time at Samrat including Mr. Mrs. Sandesh Prabudesai of Prudent Media Long 3 hour movie, it was Ok in the beginning but later it was boring specially the hero and young heroine playing with ‘Bhagvan ki Murti’ (Statue of Hindu deity). To save the dangerous contents (deadly biological weapon in box as small as a match box) . It looks like as if they were playing with the ‘Murti’ throwing it to one another, some time in the sand, sometimes in the junk trawlers, packing it in air cargo, then again in ice box/container, the villain wearing it on shoulder strap etc. Strangely, I guess there were no complaints about the ‘Murti’ by the so called Hindu Fundamentalist. May be it did not hurt their religious sentiments this time. There was little bit of Mr. George Bush, Sadam Hussaim, India’s Jailaitha, Manmohan Singh, Tamilnadu CM etc etc. One must not miss the end part of film where Tsunami with giant waves shown with destruction of properties and mankind. One Trawler seen hanging up on top of the ‘South India Church’ looks like Vailankani church near Madras.. In the beginning king ordered to remove a giant Hindu deity from a temple and dump it in the ocean together with its poojari Kamla Hassan. In the end the same Murti shown thrown ashore by the powerful Tsunami. At first, I recongnised Kamla Hassan as double role then soon treble role, then again I suspected an old wrinkled faced lady as Kamla Hassan too. Then again a Sardaji and again one darker skinned… So how many Kamla Hassans? Not just 2 or 5 or 7 but 10 The title of the film is ‘Das Avatar’ remember? Check it out here all 10 Kamla Hassan with 10 different roles. http://kollywoodhots4you.blogspot.com/2008/06/kamal-hassans-das-avatar.html I would give the movie 2.5 stars out of 5, but the tsunami episode/scenes got itself a half star extra. As for Kamla Hassan, he is seen in (1981) film ‘Ek Duje Ke Liye with Rati Agnohotri. Again, (1983) SADMA with Sri Devi. This movie really brought down tears more than once and I could not get over it at least for a week. Note: Some of you may think why bolywood movies are discussed here? Well, during my time, for us, there was only one entertainment i.e. Bollywood movies. I may have seen more film in Cine Lata, followed by Cine Vasco, Cine Vishant, cine Metropole, Cine Elmonte and Blue Pearl (all fromm Margao Vasco only). There were no TV/video/DVD and day time Tiatr that time. Hence, bollywood has become a part of Goa joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Goan Overseas Association, Toronto
At the Annual General Body Meeting held on Sunday, April 19th, 2009 Mr. Oscar Furtado was re-elected the President of the Goan Overseas Association, Toronto for a term of two years 2009-2011. Mr. Oscar Furtardo has been the President for the last 10 years. Our congratulations to Mr. Oscar Furtado and his Committee . Antonio Mascarenhas
[Goanet] Mysore: Exploring the mystical with Sadhguru - May 78, 2009
Dear all, Here is an opportunity to be in the presence of Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev, founder of Isha Foundation, at Mysore. For more information on Isha Foundation, please visit http://www.ishafoundation.org Program details below : http://www.ishafoundation.org/component/option,com_program/program_id,2180/task,details/ Thanks Best Regards, Venkat.
[Goanet] Goa news for April 20, 2009
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Litolier opens five-star hotel in Delhi - SamayLive urla road near the airport, Litolier Group director Ashok Mittal told reporters. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://www.samaylive.com/news/litolier-opens-fivestar-hotel-in-delhi-plans-two-more/618479.htmlcid=1335418806ei=-rPrSf_2NZzYMPTs4PICusg=AFQjCNGfEojkVkosQgUp8iAKrG17GwD_0g *** Warner Bros is out of #152;Goa\' - IndiaGlitz http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/46384.htmlcid=1336074375ei=-rPrSf_2NZzYMPTs4PICusg=AFQjCNFTqgd7X5m8xJkn-542Cz-fy_qOVw *** Amoy\'s Insight: Five Reasons Why I-League 08-09 Will Be Memorable - Goal.com al.com, SwitzerlandBut the biggest surprise was the way Sporting Clube de Goa took charge of the title race. They finished the first phase on top with 25 points from 11 games and managed to beatDempo and Mohun Bagan. The second phase also started with a shock as ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/2187/amoys-insight/2009/4/19/1218143/amoys-insight-five-reasons-why-i-league-08-09-will-be-memorablecid=1337106152ei=-rPrSf_2NZzYMPTs4PICusg=AFQjCNFc-EIs-j-7ibpfWCDD6z95FXRuaQ *** Sardinha races against time to win hearts - Times of India mes of India, IndiaThe recent visit of AICC president Sonia Gandhi to Goa to campaign in his favour has brought about a fresh wave of buoyancy within the Congress camp . This has resulted in the party campaign which had till then remained low key gain momentum. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Sardinha-races-against-time-to-win-hearts/articleshow/4419038.cmscid=0ei=-rPrSf_2NZzYMPTs4PICusg=AFQjCNHXWkOn_9tAA3IQLZvYNAaor3ryjA *** Post 26/11: firemen to get anti-terror training - Hindu laced sources in the home ministry said the idea was thrown up for discussion during a conference of thechiefs of fire service of all states held in Goa. In principle, it has been agreed that firemen will undergo training to understand sign ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/002200904191531.htmcid=1336739268ei=-rPrSf_2NZzYMPTs4PICusg=AFQjCNFyWIoi2_zh8XoPwQ6ouDLVkqCsfw *** From cynic to sand: A yogi is born in India\'s Goa - Charlottetown, The Guardian arlottetown, The Guardian, CanadaThis was Goa, one of the most heavily touristed regions of India. We had been travelling around the subcontinent for two months, trying to convince ourselves that we were intrepid #148; eating and interacting with the locals, hanging out where pale skin ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://www.theguardian.pe.ca/index.cfm?sid=243470sc=701cid=1337076923ei=-rPrSf_2NZzYMPTs4PICusg=AFQjCNFF4_ogdhZ3FGj-uB3Ej0DWFI-DWw *** Goa Science Centre to celebrate World Earth Day - Times of India 5. The programmes include a special film on ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Goa-Science-Centre-to-celebrate-World-Earth-Day/articleshow/4419045.cmscid=0ei=-rPrSf_2NZzYMPTs4PICusg=AFQjCNFkvZDRilThkqrLdCRBro-Qseq4XA *** Protect Goan identity: UGDP - Times of India ut efforts to secure special status for Goa under Article 371 of the constitution. The special status for Goa will ensure that the land, culture and laws of our state are safeguarded ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Protect-Goan-identity-UGDP/articleshow/4419040.cmscid=0ei=-rPrSf_2NZzYMPTs4PICusg=AFQjCNHFDzDyHgiMKzUSaK9QWX-7O9bvVQ *** Lokmat to take on Sakaal in Goa with a Marathi edition - Livemint vemint, IndiaThe Lokmat Group, which publishes newspapers in three languages#148;Lokmat (Marathi), Lokmat Samachar (Hindi) and Lokmat Times (English)#148;will be launching the Goa edition of Lokmat on 21 April, with an initial print run of 5 copies, according to Bharat ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://www.livemint.com/2009/04/19231219/Lokmat-to-take-on-Sakaal-in-Go.htmlcid=0ei=-rPrSf_2NZzYMPTs4PICusg=AFQjCNEL1fGFuZStBdzkZyeoYokckcsAyQ *** Panel to probe charges against Goa lecturer - Hindu ember committee to probe into allegations of physical abuse against a senior member of its teaching faculty. Registrar M. Sangodkar on Saturday confirmed that they had receiveda complaint against the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/2009/04/20/stories/2009042053691100.htmcid=1336722399ei=-rPrSf_2NZzYMPTs4PICusg=AFQjCNFCO3rCQRoo4nGsr4tUbeXqH-y1tw Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Who Matanhy will support.. ?
Who Matanhy will support.. ? Yes, who will he support if he wins the elections? Well, if he wins, he will have to dance to the tune of UGDP. If not face disqualification (as in the past) Matanhy may have fought several battles but he did so as Matanhy Saldanha or as GRE,GMAS etc not necessarily as UGDP For this Matanhy should have gone alone (as independent) and then it was upto to him who he supports. As said in the front page of latest GO, it does looks like 'Matanhy KATORFIED by UGDP' http://goanobserver.com/ Don't know as to why UGDP did not file similar disqualification against Babush, instead they let him go just like that. Perhaps, lot of money involved. joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Re: [Goanet] RELIGION AND SCIENCE
--- On Sun, 4/19/09, MD mmdme...@gmail.com wrote: Science is no match for religioud belief. Dear Maurice, You are right only about the fact that science is no match for religious belief, and that Fr. Ivo writes in good faith. I suspect, so do you and Gilbert. But good faith is not good science. That is all I am saying. I am forced to say it because of the false claims made by Fr. Ivo, and now Gilbert, that their religion is scientific. I am also trying to provide accurate scientific information about public health and safety in this lay public forum because I consider it my responsibility and duty to do so. Therefore, I am afraid I have to disagree with everything else you have written. Please read my earlier posts in this thread to find out why. Cheers, Santosh --- On Sun, 4/19/09, MD mmdme...@gmail.com wrote: Do not pressurise Fr. Ivo. He has written in good faith.
Re: [Goanet] Talking Photo: F O Z N E
19APR09 Dear Joe, Reading about Fozznem (see below) it looks like you've got the balls rolling, (I mean the cannon balls) which open up many questions which would show us Goans to be rather not too savvy with our Goan (Christian, Hindu and Moslem) culture. Why I say this? Let's see the Christian side first Can anyone explain why we have this Gon'nall (almost cannon-loud booms) during our Salves and Vespers, from which we get proverbs like Filluchea kusthar Fozznem or Fest korta Ganv, Pirjentichem Nanv? Tip: Has it anything to do with our colonial past? And talking of Festas could anyone explain why we call it the Feast of St.Francis Xavier when actually it's the day of his death? We don't have the same appellation for Good Friday, the day of Christ's death, do we? Tip. Has it anything to do with our Hindu past? Which in turn takes us into the Church of Bom Jesus itself, (it's like panning of your camera, Joe) to ask: whose statue do we see in the main altar? ( only one guess, please) And while tarrying on the sacrosanct and historic grounds of Old Goa please allow me to ask just three more questions which occupy my mind: What significance has the Feast of St. Catherine for us Goans (25th November) and which St Catherine are we referring to (there are several St Cathrines) here? Two. Did that epic Portuguese writer Luis de Camoes (Os Lusiadas) live in Goa along with his friend Garcia de Orta (medico) and who was this Goan girl he (Camoes) loved called Barbara who had captured his heart (aquela cativa que me tem cativo)? Was she his concubine or did they live in connubial harmony? You can take as many shots as you like here. Finally. A simple question, is there a Church of SFX in Portugal? Of course these are heritage questions pertaining to our (Christian, Hindu, Moslem) historical links and has per se nothing to do with present day Portugal. We also have our historical links to Hindu and Muslim India, where I have collected and collated in a set of questions and answers for my book Tun Sang Maca which I intend to get going sometime after I get clearance from the Govts religious authorities concerned and after hearing more from your dear readers about some of the question that will interest us all as Christians, Hindus and Moslems.. I don't wish my people to call me a Gon'nall if you know what that means. All in good fun. Kind regards. P.S. This is no promo for my book.It wants to do with the pen what you're doing with your camera. Von: JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk Betreff: [GOAN-NRI] Talking Photo: F O Z N E An: goa...@goanet.org Datum: Samstag, 18. April 2009, 19:51 Talking Photo: F O Z N E http://www.flickr. com/photos/ joegoauk18/ 3452494825/ sizes/l/ So what is Fozne? Usually, there is no feast in Goa without FOZNE
Re: [Goanet] Goan writer
Epitácio Pais was born in 1926, and is now 83 years old. He started writing in the late 40s, published his short stories in the O Heraldo in the 50s, and, in the 60s, transmitted them over the All India Radio. The high point of his career came in the early 70s, when 13 of his short stories were compiled in a book and published under the title Os Javalis de Codval (Lisbon: Editorial Futura 1973). Goan short story writing in Portuguese, never prolific, was initiated by Júlio Gonçalves (1846-1896) in the late 19th century. Inspired by the matchless style of the great Portuguese novelist Eça de Queirós (1846-1900), it attained maturity in the satirical short stories of José da Silva Coelho (1889-1944) in the early 20th century. Finally, it can be said to have climaxed in the late 20th century in the work of Epitácio Pais. Manuel de Seabra, the acute historian of Goan writing in Portuguese, compares Epitácio to the great 19th century Russians like Turgenev (1818-1883) and even to Dostoievski (1821-1881) himself! But Epitácio lives, and knows about his own life better than any one else. Break your silence and speak Epitácio, we are all ears!
[Goanet] PRAYER REQUEST FOR JOSE ROD
GULF-GOANS e-NEWSLETTER (since 1994) PRAYER REQUEST FOR JOSE ROD Dear Friends, We are saddened by the fatal news that Joseph Rodrigues popularly known as Jose Rod, a multi-talented individual hailed as the Super Star of the Konkani Stage, has been diagnosed of 'BRAIN TUMOR' and will be operated at the Hinduja Hospital at Mumbai, India on Thursday 23/04/2009 at 7:00 a.m. A humble request to all, to keep JOSE ROD in your prayers, so that the Almighty God may bless the hands of the surgeons who will be operating on him. Let us pray to Jesus to be present at the operating table for a successful operation. Kindly forward this to all your friends on your mailing list. May the Good Lord bless you in abundance for your prayers. KGTS Managing Committee Members (KUWAIT) kgts...@hotmail.com http://www.youtube.com/user/placidousa SAY A LITTLE PRAYER FOR A WELL-WISHER FRIEND OF GOA-WORLD TEAM GOA-WORLD.COM http://www.goa-world.com
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Please identiyf these two types of fruits
Talking Photos: Please identiyf these two types of fruits 1. After Chuna, Kanddam- What is this? http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk18/3457856740/ Clue: First, it’s colour is green, then this colour, then purplish and finally dark purple or dark blue 2, When kids, we sometimes used this as marbles but very light http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk18/3453500724/ Clue: We were told, the oil is extracted from its seed. Round seed inside is more the half the size of the fruit. Locally we called it ‘Unddam’ fruits or ‘Unddin’ Tree joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Re: [Goanet] Goan Overseas Association, Toronto
Hi Antonio, Flavio Gracias in UK has been Prez for more than 25 years. I think we should submit their names to the Guiness Book of Records. John J. D'Souza Please use the email address below to update your records jds1...@hotmail.com Surf: www.goanvoice.ca Thanks From: villa.fat...@sympatico.ca To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Goan Overseas Association, Toronto Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:00:54 -0400 At the Annual General Body Meeting held on Sunday, April 19th, 2009 Mr. Oscar Furtado was re-elected the President of the Goan Overseas Association, Toronto for a term of two years 2009-2011. Mr. Oscar Furtardo has been the President for the last 10 years. Our congratulations to Mr. Oscar Furtado and his Committee . Antonio Mascarenhas _ Experience all of the new features, and Reconnect with your life. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650730
[Goanet] VOA News - UN Conference on Racism Opens Monday
Goanetters, A UN Conference on Casteism would be nice. http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-04-18-voa1.cfm Cheers, rubygoes
[Goanet] Chicken soup in Anjuna
To test the theory of allopathic and alternative medicines I went to Anjuna this morning. Mr. Lobo just passed away yesterday and so we administered a variety of allopathic drugs with chicken soup to try and revive him. A lot of drugs supplied by the greedy big-pharma companies were tried. We even gave him drugs for diseases he did not have or die of, in the hope something would work. No luck, nothing worked. Dead as a doornail. Then we gave him homeopathic chicken soup. He stirred. Either that or the big trucks illegally scooping sand from Anjuna beach caused the earth to move and so did Mr. Lobo. Next we gave him ayurvedic chicken soup and he awoke (I am not kidding) and said he wanted to clarify that his ex-sister-in-law Mrs. D'Souza gets no property from his will. Unfortunately, Mrs. D'Souza was standing next to him and slapped him hard and he died again. Moral of the story: if you are going to have ayurvedic chicken soup and come back from the dead, do not have a disgruntled ex-relative around. Given this is Goa and nothing is straight-forward, we have to test again, next time in South Goa. After the elections, we plan to visit Quepem and try our allopathic, homeopathic, ayurvedic chicken-soup experiments, assuming there are any chickens left. Possibly our 'fowl' political candidates might have given all the chickens away as voter gifts (bribes) in the Lok Sabha elections. So now you know the truth. George
[Goanet] Chicken - soup
In case of pneumonia, reserve the antibiotics only to those who do not respond to 'chicken soup'. ..Dr. Gilbert Lawrence Dr. Santosh Helekar wrote: I want to ask Gilbert if, as a physician, he would recommend that a person who has been diagnosed with pneumococcal pneumonia be treated with chicken soup alone. The standard of care today mandates that an elderly pneumonia patient be treated with modern antibiotics within 8 hours to substantially reduce the chances of 30 day mortality. Folks, In my experience, most Goans with pneumonia will go to the doctor only AFTER they figure out chicken soup is not working on them. It is funny (to me) to find out that there are Goan doctors who will even contemplate 'chicken soup' as medication. Mervyn1650Lobo __ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca
[Goanet] FRIDAY BALCAO: Save the Frog Campaign - need for consumer support.
- Welcome to the FRIDAY BALCAO - Dear Cybergaonkars on Goanet, We continue with FRIDAY BALCAO on 24th April from 4pm. to 6pm. at Goa Desc Resource Centre No.11, Liberty Apartments, Feira Alta, Mapusa Goa. TOPIC: Save the Frog Campaign - need for consumer support. SPEAKER: Clinton Vaz - environmentalist wildlife enthusiast. We invite you to express your viewpoint by attending the Friday Balcao event but if you cannot attend, then please send your views and action plan suggestions by post to FRIDAY BALCAO Post Box 78, Mapusa 403 507 or by email to goad...@bsnl.in best wishes, Roland Martins --- Don't miss out on the discussion. Information is power, Share it equitably. Lets make things happen in Goa !! --- GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:goad...@bsnl.in --- Working On Issues Of Development Democracy =
Re: [Goanet] Goan Overseas Association elections
Eugene Correia wrote: I received an email from a Goan Overseas Association (GOA) Toronto executive member informing me that there is talk of Kevin Saldanha running for president of the association. He wants to challenge Oscar Furtado who has been at the helm for maybe at least four terms. In a democratic setup, opposing an incumbent is part of the process. Oscar has worked hard to build the association and wants to continue his work. Those who have met and seen him work an attest to what I have said. Some years ago I asked him if he wasn't tired of running the GOA. He said he would quit if someone that he thinks would be an asset to the association comes forward to lead it. I doubt Kevin fits the bill. Forget how he ran the Goan International Convention and perhaps many will say I am bias because of what I wrote about it. No doubt would probably want to win the elections on the false canard that the convention, of which he Eugene, of which he WHAT? I spoke to Kevin today. Kevin was holidaying in the US. As usually, you put your spin on everything that is fed to you with out even trying to check the facts. The most recent news I heard from Toronto is that Kevin called the Goan Netters Association of Toronto (GNAT) and allegedly dissolved without inviting the president Francis Rodriques and secretary Bosco D'Mello. Eugene, who is feeding you this rubbish? The above info is a complete fabrication. Francis is the founder-president and the man who originally thought of and worked to form the association. Besides, most constitutions of association gives the right to call a meeting to the secretary. On what basis Kevin called the meeting is a moot point. Once again, the info you have is completely false. There is also talk that Francis has initiated legal proceedings against Kevin. Perhaps Francis himself or some GNAT members on this forum can clarify. This too, is news to me. Once again, who is feeding you this info? I attend all GNAT meetings and everything goes on in an orderly manner. The GOA AGM is on April 19. Goanetters in Toronto should make it a point to attend and vote for Oscar. Oscar was elected, unopposed, today. He promised that this would be his last term. If you, or anyone else you know is interested in running for the GOA President or any other position, call me. I will be willing to finance your campaign(s). Mervyn1650Lobo __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
[Goanet] Daily Grook #381
DAILY GROOK #381 __ BLOODY STUDY __ by Francis Rodrigues hi- school's severe uni even more sore, after freshman year u really sophomore! _ puns word-play of all kinds, hey...read between the lines! _ _ Reinvent how you stay in touch with the new Windows Live Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650731
Re: [Goanet] LOK SABHA Elections : MY Choice
Samir has not understood the thread of floriano's thinking. Time has come when the best candidate ( in this case surely Matanhy for South) must declare his preferences now so that the voters know how he will vote in case there is a vote to prove the strenght in the house. India has been given/declared just two probables for the Prime Minister's post. Surely there are many deserving others who could would and could be prefered once election results are declared. But floriano is working on the premise of the two probales already declared. If not Manmohan Singh, it could be any body else. Floriano will be happy if it is not a Congress lead government. India requires a change and Congress requires to cool itself in the opposition benches. If not Congress, it must also not be the BJP aka NDA. What floriano is saying is that Matanhy must tell us if he will root for Advani as the PM if he is on the choice. That will make everything clear to start with. No hidden agendas. And there is no doubt in my mind that Matanhy is the best between all on display excluding just one. Independent Ms. Salunke. It takes guts to do what she is doing. And I like what she is doing. And YES, we are going to choose our two best representatives to send to Delhi. But these two best representatives must definately tell us if they are going to choose LK Advani or someone else to sit on the chair of the Prime Minister of India. It will be better to eat a lot of salt in advance rather than wait for the promised 'malai' later which might not be fortcoming at all. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: [Goanet] LOK SABHA Elections : MY Choice Floriano writes: This 15th. Lok Sabha Elections has nothing to do with Shripad Naik, OR Jitendra Deshprabhu Or Sardinha, Or Matanhy Saldanha Or whoever. It is either Manmohan Singh or LK Advani. There is a saying in Konkani --- Xitafundem mith khai naka. Roughly translated it means -- Dont eat salt before the rice -- or some such thing. Floriano insults Indian people when he says that the choice is between Manmohan and Advani. The voting is yet to take place; there are tons of candidates for the Indian people to choose from and in all their wisdom let us hope that they will choose the right candidates. Mathany is one of them. How can one be sure before hand that there are only two choices for the PM's post ? Not just that, who knows what power any upcoming PM will have? Our current choice is to elect our best representative. And surely Mathany is the best. There is nothing ambivalent in Mathany saying that he will decide the PM based on the one who will do the best for Goa Whatever one may say, one thing surely one can be assured --- no one can do worse than Sardinha, and the other jokers we have elected in the past! In other words, Mathany definitely deserves a chance much more over these other jokers (for want of a better word). regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] Religion and Science
Deo Gratias for JGR and her emotionally intelligent response on Religion Science. Over the past couple of decades we know so much more than before, but people become evermore polarised, overly-aggressive and paranoid, or am I talking about the warring governments/nations of the world? Is there enough love or understanding in the world? JGR mentions We Indians are truly lucky and blessed, because we have friends and relatives of different religious beliefs who will pray for our good health, when we fall sick. I campaigned for affordable living and if 60% of Indian families cannot afford over-priced, over-hyped allopathic medicines, thank God they can get homeopathic, ayurvedic, herbal, etc. Reference Goa, was I a fool to fall in love with the land? Are the ex-pats who feel they have been cheated in Goa got it right? I met a Goan woman in February whose family earned income over 10K rupees per month, and yet that was not enough to satisfy her. Then I met a nurse bringing up 2 kids without any help from her estranged husband. She earned 3K rupees, about half of the other woman's salary, for a hard slog, with many more hours and weekend work. It is only by that comparison, I began to understand how Goans have to manage on low incomes, compared to US, Canadians, OZ European residents. In fact, UK does not have any magic potion, we live in fear of what the rabid party political system will do next. We ought to be a rich country, but I believe we are bankrupt, morally, ethically and financially. Our wealth has been siphoned into the wrong pockets. Is that the same situation in Goa, and India? Why is there such a shortage of empathy towards our fellow man? I feel shame for the torture, kidnap and rendition of suspect detainees, whereas others feel such inhuman means justify the end. Is Obama comfortable sitting on the fence, boycotting the UN sponsored racism conference, knowing that Israel US have blemished records? He has much on his hands, but I cannot condone the bogus war on terror, or the excessive force it has unleashed. Clive Stafford-Smith, an English lawyer, has given his life to defend US prisoners on death Row detainees as well. I know and greatly admire several other eminent English lawyers who take hopeless cases and sometimes win justice, eg. for an Iraqui widow and her two young sons, left fatherless when UK soldiers beat her hotel receptionist husband to death in prison. It seems our governments and fundamentalists of any kind will not give peace a chance. Rita Grootendorst
