from:"Gabriel de Figueiredo"

This is no attempt at sanitizing.  It is history as you'd read it anywhere. I 
did not mention the Acto Colonial of 1930 because that was exactly the issue I 
was attacking -  that the fact that Goa was part of the Estado da India 
Portuguesa and that Goans had full Portuguese citizenship predates the Acto 
colonial and the overseas province status by 200 years. The Acto colonial in 
its entirety covered a period of less than 20 years. If you look at postage 
stamps and the currency, you'd see Republica Portuguesa- Estado da India.  It 
is no imagination that Nirvana sells T-shirts with a similar logo, in Pangim. 
 
By your comments, do you insinuate that Lourdes Bravo da Costa is also 
sanitizing history?
 


From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis

This is a good attempt to sanitize purtugez history, avoiding the mention of 
Acto Colonial of 1930, giving us proud Indians of Estado da India the status 
of second class citizens, etc, etc.. This revisionist business is getting 
pretty old now, but nonetheless is a veritable clown show.


Cheers,

Santosh


- Original Message -
From: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au
 Dear Victor,
  
 In 1757, King Joseph I of Portugal issued a decree penned by his prime 
 minister, 
 the Marquês de Pombal, granting the Portuguese citizenship and 
 representation to 
 all subjects in the Portuguese Indies. The enclaves of Goa, Damão, Diu, 
 Dadra 
 and Nagar Haveli became collectively known as the Estado da Índia 
 Portuguesa, 
 and had representation in the Portuguese Corte (later,  parliament). As you 
 probably know, Dr. Francisco Luis Gomes, whose staute you will find at a 
 park in 
 Campal, was one of the representatives for Estado da India Portuguesa in the 
 Potuguese Cortes from 1861 to 1869. The last ones to represent Goa in 
 Portuguese 
 Parliament were Purxotama Quenim and Sócrates da Costa. Thus the residents 
 of 
 the Estado da India Portuguesa had full citizenship of Portugal, much, much 
 before Antonio Oliveira de Salazar was a twinkle in his parents eyes. And 
 Goans 
 had elections much before the Indians in the Indian Republic had, going from 
 an 
 article The
 First Elections in Goa by  Lourdes Bravo da Costa, published last Jan 13 on 
 Navhind Times Panorama 
 (http://www.navhindtimes.in/panorama/first-elections-goa ).
  
 Also, bear in mind that the decree granting full citizenship of Portugal to 
 the 
 residents of the Estado da India Portuguesa (Portuguese State of 
 India) was a couple of decades before the Boston Tea Party of 
 1773. And what was furore in America about? Does No taxation without 
 representation ring a bell?
  
 What you are spouting, is the Nehruvian assumption. Because British India 
 never 
 had such privileges of parliamentary representation in Britain, Nehru 
 assumed 
 that Goans were only ayahs, butlers, and cooks (I believe he made 
 such a statement to a newspaper reporter when asked why the majority of 
 Goans 
 were not protesting against the Portuguese). He ignored the hundreds of able 
 administrators, judges and doctors who were serving Portugal in the 
 Metropole 
 and all overseas territories. The term Salazar used, Overseas Province, 
 would be 
 much the same that the British would use with relation to the Falklands, and 
 the 
 US with Hawaii and Alaska. 
  
 I reiterate that Salazar had nothing to do with the fact that Goans are 
 Portuguese citizens, or that Goa was an overseas province. Goa was 
 the Estado da India Portuguesa since 1757; the Republic of India was 
 born in 1947 (really speaking, the Republic was formed in 1950), 
 when the ancient Bharat was split in 3 (could be 4, if Lanka is taken into 
 account). 
  
 Cheers,
  
 Gabriel.

Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis

According to Arun Sinha (Goa Indica - pg 57), after Nehru's Congress Party 
failed to win a single seat at Goa's first election, Nehru was stunned at the 
outcome. ... It was at this moment of his bewilderment that Nehru made his 
famous observation, 'Ajeeb hain ye Goa ke log' ...  

 
Gabriel.


From: Bosco D bos...@gmail.com
To: goa...@goanet.org 
Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2013 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:29 AM, joe lobo wrote:

**
 Could  you please transalate  for the sake of  us  non-Hindi speaking
 goans the  last  phrase of your  missive...  Ajeeb hai ye Goa ke
 log   .  Was it  a statement made  by the  then federal  PM  J.Nehru ?


RESPONSE: Ajeeb = Strange, Odd, Peculiar. Ajeeb hai ye Goa ke log =
Strange, these people of Goa.

I have no evidence that Pandit Nehru uttered those words. Dr. Joe D`Souza
is unsure too in his column dated Dec 15, 2010 in the Herald, Goa

Re: [Goanet] Adeus Korchea Vellar

Thanks - but if I may make a comment, the microphone appears to have been too 
close to the piano, or, gain was set too high resulting in a jarring tone.

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fredericknoron...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2013 5:34 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Adeus Korchea Vellar

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Re: [Goanet] India Unheard: Going to the Hospital? Carry Your Own Linen (Sulochana Pednekar)

A really sorry state of affairs. 
 Healthcare is not only about the latest technology - it is often mostly about 
the small details like cleanliness, hygiene and a good, healthy ambience that 
ultimately leads to quicker and lasting recovery. It is also about providing a 
clean and quiet place so that patients can rest. I say this because, for some 
insane reason there was this carpenter using his power-saw in the corridor of 
Manipal hospital, not only creating noise, but also dust. Then there are cows 
and stray dogs creating nuisance in the area around the GMC hospital entrance 
at Bambolim, the hospital itself having been built so badly that there were no 
facilities for a wheel-chair the last time I went there, when I saw scrawled on 
the canteen wall garbos rule here (a garbo, in Aussie slang, is a garbage 
collector).  I think Joe-GoaUK has posted some photographs of the filthy state 
of the pedestrian crossing at Bambolim.
 
I wonder what the ex-GMC doctors on GoaNet have to say about the total 
degradation of Goa's healthcare in recent years. 
 
Gabriel.



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To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013 4:27 AM
Subject: [Goanet] India Unheard: Going to the Hospital? Carry Your Own Linen 
(Sulochana Pednekar)

Going to the Hospital? Carry Your Own Linen
http://indiaunheard.videovolunteers.org/going-to-the-hospital-carry-your-own-linen/

Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis

2013-01-15 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Dear Victor,
 
In 1757, King Joseph I of Portugal issued a decree penned by his prime 
minister, the Marquês de Pombal, granting the Portuguese citizenship and 
representation to all subjects in the Portuguese Indies. The enclaves of Goa, 
Damão, Diu, Dadra and Nagar Haveli became collectively known as the Estado da 
Índia Portuguesa, and had representation in the Portuguese Corte (later,  
parliament). As you probably know, Dr. Francisco Luis Gomes, whose staute you 
will find at a park in Campal, was one of the representatives for Estado da 
India Portuguesa in the Potuguese Cortes from 1861 to 1869. The last ones to 
represent Goa in Portuguese Parliament were Purxotama Quenim and Sócrates da 
Costa. Thus the residents of the Estado da India Portuguesa had full 
citizenship of Portugal, much, much before Antonio Oliveira de Salazar was a 
twinkle in his parents eyes. And Goans had elections much before the Indians in 
the Indian Republic had, going from an article The
 First Elections in Goa by Lourdes Bravo da Costa, published last Jan 13 on 
Navhind Times Panorama (http://www.navhindtimes.in/panorama/first-elections-goa 
).
 
Also, bear in mind that the decree granting full citizenship of Portugal to the 
residents of the Estado da India Portuguesa (Portuguese State of India) was a 
couple of decades before the Boston Tea Party of 1773. And what was furore in 
America about? Does No taxation without representation ring a bell?
 
What you are spouting, is the Nehruvian assumption. Because British India never 
had such privileges of parliamentary representation in Britain, Nehru assumed 
that Goans were only ayahs, butlers, and cooks (I believe he made such a 
statement to a newspaper reporter when asked why the majority of Goans were not 
protesting against the Portuguese). He ignored the hundreds of able 
administrators, judges and doctors who were serving Portugal in the Metropole 
and all overseas territories. The term Salazar used, Overseas Province, would 
be much the same that the British would use with relation to the Falklands, and 
the US with Hawaii and Alaska. 
 
I reiterate that Salazar had nothing to do with the fact that Goans are 
Portuguese citizens, or that Goa was an overseas province. Goa was the Estado 
da India Portuguesa since 1757; the Republic of India was born in 1947 
(really speaking, the Republic was formed in 1950), when the ancient Bharat was 
split in 3 (could be 4, if Lanka is taken into account). 
 
Cheers,
 
Gabriel.
  


From: Victor Rangel-Ribeiro vrangel...@yahoo.com
To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 15 January 2013 4:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis

Dear Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcao,
 Was it not unjustified when we were forced to become Portuguese, in an 
overseas province no less, through Salazar's fiat?
 Regards,
 Victor

--- On Thu, 1/10/13, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão drferdina...@hotmail.com 
wrote:

From: Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão drferdina...@hotmail.com
Subject: [Goanet]  Goans forced to be bharatis
To: goa...@goanet.org goa...@goanet.org
Date: Thursday, January 10, 2013, 3:44 PM



Is it not Goans forced to be someone,
other than what one is;
Unjustified?
Read here what the President said:



http://www.dn.pt/inicio/opiniao/interior.aspx?content_id=1605529



Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.

Re: [Goanet] GOA LIBERATION RETROSPECT Adv. Antonio Lobo

So what is your point Santosh?
 
I was about to make a long submission on Holden Roberto etc  re Africa when I 
saw this. My information does not come from a blog, but from the following 
book, which you might find, with luck, in some US library:
 
Nehru Seizes Goa - Leo Lawrence (1963, Pageant Press, NY). The book, 
incidentally, also includes a photostat excerpt from The Current (All India 
Edition) of 3rd Feb 1962 with a photo of the mangled body of Luisa Rodrigues 
(Is this your 'Peaceful Liberation', Mr. Menon?), for VRR. 

Those who were loyal to Portugal and the Portuguese government claimed that 
rapes were being committed by Indians even before the invasion of 1961 - 
indeed, as early as 1958, according to one loyalist writer. On the other hand, 
apologists for the actions of the Indian government and anti-colonialists made 
similar claims about brutalities and repressive actions committed by the 
Portuguese. If anybody wants evidence for these statements of mine, I would be 
happy to provide it to him or her. I would also be happy to provide published 
accounts of atrocities committed by Portuguese soldiers as well as by native 
African freedom fighters in the anti-colonial wars in Angola and Mozambique. 
My interest in this issue is purely academic and historical. But I also think 
it is necessary from time to time to explore the biases of contributors to 
this forum by contrasting their views against reliable published material.

Cheers,

Santosh
 
While I will try and procure the books you mentioned in another post, as a 
reciprocal gesture, you may be interested in:
 
 - What about Goa - Roldao Anton Souza (1957), which talks about events that 
took place in 1955. About 50 pages are devoted to a dialogue between some 
village people in Goa, the philosophy discussed being similar to that exposed 
by Lino Leitao's book The Gift of the Holy Cross regarding Indian politicians 
and their hypocrisy. It also has extracts from local and international papers 
regarding the 15 Aug 1955 incident. The author was born and grew up in Bombay 
in early 1900s, and was an active member of the Indian Congress Party, until he 
rebelled at the way Goans were being treated in Bombay for not toeing the 
political line in vogue regarding Portuguese Goa. He says I saw Police 
Officers hire criminals to harass and waylay Goans who resisted the merger 
campaign, in Bombay. I saw postal clerks tear up letters coming from, or going 
to Goa... I say Goans being trailed, followed and intimidated, because they 
were suspected of being loyal to
 (Portuguese) Goa...  These statements are also echoed in the Nehru Seizes 
Goa with additional information. The author also recounts a tale of his and 
his family's escape from Bombay to Goa via a fishing vessel, to get away from 
harrassment and intimidation. 
 
Roldao's brother, going by the name of Lourenco de Salvador, an ex-Royal Indian 
Air Force Admin officer, was also badly beaten up by the Bombay Police and 
jailed as a Portuguese spy under Preventive Detention Act, for having advocated 
a Gandhian approach to the Goa problem. He was the author of Who Killed 
Gandhi?, a book that was published for private circulation, a copy of which is 
in my possession.
 
- Nehru A Contemporary's Estimate - Walter Crocker (1966, Allen  Unwin - I 
understand a reprint is available in India). Pages 119-127. On pg 123, he says 
Portugal should have offered to hold a plebiscite in Goa ... It is doubtful if 
India would have won the plebsicite.  
 
I have more references, but then you'd be bored.     
 
On another tack, perhaps you'd also like to read Lisbon - War in the shadows 
of the City of Light, 1939-1945, by Neill Lochery , PhD (2011,  PublicAffairs 
NY) to understand Salazar and his policies, and The Lisbon Route by Ronald 
Weber (2011) which recounts the escapes of the Jews from Nazis via Lisbon.
 
Cheers,
 
Gabriel. 


From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Sunday, 6 January 2013 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] GOA LIBERATION RETROSPECT Adv. Antonio Lobo

Re: [Goanet] Does this document prove my nationality?

AFAIK, your birth may be registered in Portugal, but it does not say anything 
about your nationalty.  You only become a Portuguese national if you hold a 
citizenship document, such as Bilhete de Identidade. 

From: JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk
To: goa...@goanet.org goa...@goanet.org 
Sent: Sunday, 6 January 2013 3:46 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Does this document prove my nationality?

Can this document prove my nationality?
issued by Conservatoria dos Registos Centrais Lisboa 

Petitioners seeking disqualification of both MLAs claim to have this document.

I have a ration Card, election card, Indian Passport etc

Am I (JoeGoaUk) a Portuguese Citizen o what?

Your openion please!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukextra4/8349473202/in/photostream

read it bigger here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukextra4/8349473202/sizes/l/in/photostream/

Birth Cirtificate from Portugal / Lisbon Central Registry
conservatoria dos registos centrais lisboa
assento do Nascimento

Translation (last part of the doc)
'Assent drawn up on the basis of certificate of
incorporation issued by the Registrar of births and deaths of Goa, October 10, 
2012'

joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

for Goa  NRI related info... 
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/

For Goan Video Clips 
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

In Goa, Dial  1 0 8 
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc

Re: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes

I am sorry to say, Victor, that you did not read my message correctly.  I 
asked, Are there any functional public toilets in the area? in response to 
Bernice's post. 
 
If there are no functional toilets in the area, there is no point complaining. 
Motivate the panchayats and local government bodies to build such public 
conveniences first.  



From: Victor Rangel-Ribeiro vrangel...@yahoo.com
To: Bernice Pereira bernicepere...@yahoo.com; estb. 1994!Goa's premiere 
mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Sunday, 6 January 2013 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes

Dear Bernice and Gabriel,
 In my village, which is no different from most other villages, some of my 
neighbours take in extra boarders, in direct violation of panchayat 
regulations. Panchayat rules also decree that people who do this should 
provide ex number of toilet inside their house in proportion to the number of 
boarder they take in. However, the homeowners do not provide such amenities, 
and instead ask their boarders to go and defecate in the woods and the hill 
slop behind our house and other people's houses as well.
 While you complain about uncouth Indian hordes, what do you think about 
our own Goan homeowners in the situation I have just described? What epithet 
would you like to use to describe them?
 Are we not uncouth ourselves?
 And if you tell me that only some of us are uncouth, I would remind you 
that the same applies to those we have been attacking. Only some of our 
visitors are uncouth, as opposed to the millions of Indians who are not.
 Very best regards to the two of you, and also to BC, who is probably 
dying to pitch in.
 Victor

--- On Fri, 1/4/13, Bernice Pereira bernicepere...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Bernice Pereira bernicepere...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes
To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org
Date: Friday, January 4, 2013, 12:12 PM

Are there any functional public toilets in the area? by Gabriel de 
Figueiredo. Good question. Probably no functioning public toilets. The 
stinking masses that invade Goa during this time don't need functioning 
toilets, any place is fit to defecate...the beaches,the fields...you name it.  
Nobody stops or fines them you see.
 
Bernice

Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis

As far as I know, the original Bharat no longer exists. It ceased to exist when 
Bharat was partitioned into 3 bits: a country called India (1 bit), and a 
country called Pakistan (2 bits ... East Pakistan later became Bangladesh). 
 
The Indian national anthem mentions areas no longer parts of India: Sind, 
Punjab (was split into two, one bit going to Pakistan), Bhanga (Bengal) was 
split into two (one bit is now Bangladesh).  
 
So India that is Bharat is, IMHO, a false statement. 
 
 
 



From: Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Sunday, 6 January 2013 3:42 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis

Maybe persons like Helekar wanted to be bharats, but then he could go to 
bharat. In 1961 Goa was invaded and thereafter were forced to become bharatis 
by law which was rectified for forceful conversion of Goans into this barbaric 
citizenship. No questions were asked to us Goans ie.: do you want to become 
citizen of bharat etc. What one reads below in the link is the utter disregard 
to any international norms by this country which has led us into a pot of 
mess. One must note is that many of these probharats who write on this forum 
live in ivory towers in the west, although some may occasionally visit an 
aviary to prevent loneliness. 

The link is related to the case of Padre Francisco Monteiro vs Bharatis. Pe. 
Monteiro who unfortunately was left with a candle while we bokdes watched.  He 
was incarcerated at the Tihar dungeons for committing no crime. It is 
unimaginable as to how a person on earth can become non grata having born and 
lived in ones country peacefully, suddenly turns into a criminal in the eyes 
of a new colonial ruler.

http://www.icrc.org/ihl-nat.nsf/46707c419d6bdfa24125673e00508145/a693a13f3cdd399ec12563b8002b1c41!OpenDocument



BC

Re: [Goanet] uncouth Indian hordes strike again by Rajan Parrikar -issue 1080

2013-01-02 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Nice, in theory, but how do you expect this to be policed? Visas? 
 
Policing may be fine at airport, but what about people coming by road? By 
train? Seems impractical to me. There'd be large queues of traffic at the 
border; and there would be a need for border police presence on trains. As it 
is, it appears that Goa Police conveniently disappear from the bridges allowing 
these out-of-state vehicles to travel recklessly overtaking every possible 
vehicle on the bridges without care, especially on the 31st. All racing to 
reach their north Goa destination as soon as possible so that their thirst for 
mhaja may be quenched... 
 
In addition, would such policing be legal, since Goa is now considered part of 
India?  



From: floriano lobo floriano.l...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Cc: Bernice Pereira bernicepere...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, 2 January 2013 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] uncouth Indian hordes strike again by Rajan Parrikar 
-issue 1080

How GSRP will clean the Touristic messy scene in Goa.

1. Airport and all  entry points into Goa shall be tightened to check visitors 
coming in do have hotel bookings/reservations, guest house, rented place, 
government dormitories, friends etc. If they do not have this requirement, 
then they shall not be allowed to enter into Goa or at least make such 
arrangement first at the entry point and then leave. The 
reservations/accomodations shall be cross-chequeed. If  this is not 
practicable, then  representative/s of such accommodation/s shall be required 
to be present at the entry-point. This will stop people coming in by bus loads 
 and vans, eating, defecating and sleeping in fields, vacant plots,  and,  
what is worse, in parks, gardens and on promenades like Panjim, Campal and 
Miramar, etc. There is no one to stop this in Goa because we have Indian 
Governing System where any and all Indians are welcome, even beggars.

Re: [Goanet] uncouth Indian hordes

2013-01-02 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Are there any functional public toilets in the area?

From: Bernice Pereira bernicepere...@yahoo.com
To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Thursday, 3 January 2013 2:56 AM
Subject: [Goanet] uncouth Indian hordes

Good suggestions Floriano if they are put into effect. Also people messing 
around in public places should be heavily fined to serve as a deterrent. Fines 
are the best solution.

 Has anyone seen the stinking fields around the Anjuna flea market.  How can 
we remain apathetic to this awful mess. 

Bernice Pereira

Re: [Goanet] GOA'S LIBERATION IN RETROSPECT By: Adv. Antonio Lobo

2013-01-02 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Doubt it. 
 
If the peaceful freedom fighters did not heed the command to halt at the 
border, and did not heed the warning shots, they would be killed as the Indian 
Border Police do today at India's borders. 
 
How many people were killed in Bombay by the Bombay police after the failed 
invasion of 15th August 1955? 
 
What did the Indian Police do just last week to a peaceful protest in Delhi? 
 



From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 2 January 2013 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] GOA'S LIBERATION IN RETROSPECT By: Adv. Antonio Lobo

Many peaceful freedom fighters who would not have been termed as terrorists 
today were arrested and thrown in jail without trial in Salazar's Goa. Several 
were killed by Salazar's police.

Cheers,

Santosh


- Original Message -
From: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au
 
 It should also be noted that the guy who arranged the seminar on Portuguese 
 colonies (20 Oct 1961), P.D. Gaitondo, left Goa for Europe soon after he 
 lost 
 the election (for the Congress, a trouncing to remember). Why Gaitondo took 
 this 
 step is anyone's guess.   
  
 Also, one needs to remember that these so-called freedom-fighters would be 
 termed as terrorists in today's world, and they would have been arrested and 
 thrown into prison without trial in today's India for doing the same things 
 they did in Salazar's Goa.
  
 Note: It has been said that the seminar mentioned above probably forced 
 Nehru's hand as the African delegates requested him to first look after his 
 backyard before meddling in Africa's issues.

Re: [Goanet] GOA'S LIBERATION IN RETROSPECT By: Adv. Antonio Lobo

2013-01-01 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

It should also be noted that the guy who arranged the seminar on Portuguese 
colonies (20 Oct 1961), P.D. Gaitondo, left Goa for Europe soon after he lost 
the election (for the Congress, a trouncing to remember). Why Gaitondo took 
this step is anyone's guess.   
 
Also, one needs to remember that these so-called freedom-fighters would be 
termed as terrorists in today's world, and they would have been arrested and 
thrown into prison without trial in today's India for doing the same things 
they did in Salazar's Goa.
 
Note: It has been said that the seminar mentioned above probably forced Nehru's 
hand as the African delegates requested him to first look after his backyard 
before meddling in Africa's issues.  
 
 



From: floriano lobo floriano.l...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Monday, 31 December 2012 5:02 PM
Subject: [Goanet] GOA'S LIBERATION IN RETROSPECT By: Adv. Antonio Lobo


The so-called freedom fighters some of whom, excluding some honourable 
exceptions, could oly carry out acts of vandalism at various times with the 
blessings of the military Government earlier as well as of the subsequent 
governments.

  
Gabriel.

Re: [Goanet] Church stance in Kerala

2012-12-30 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo



From what I understand in the article,  the Kerala govt is the sole selling 
agent of liquor in that state. The last time I was there, a few years ago, the 
only places you could get toddy, I was told, were govt owned toddy shops. This 
article is a request to the govt to stop merchandising liquor in the name of 
the state.


--
On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 1:55 PM AEDT U. G. Barad wrote:


A friend of mine from Kerala has sent me the enclosed article.  He wants to
know the position of the Roman Catholic Church in Goa on the two issues of
liquor and the Gadgil report.  I must confess I do not know anything about
what the Gadgil report is all about, except what is written in the article.

Best regards,

U. G. Barad


Church asks state to stop selling liquor
Author:
Publication: The CSF
Date: December 16, 2012
URL:
http://persecutedchurch.info/2012/12/18/church-asks-state-to-stop-selling-li
quor/


The meeting also urged the government to reject the Madhav Gadgil panel
report on Western Ghats.

The Catholic Church in Kerala has asked the state to stop selling liquor. 
The demand came after a meeting of the Kerala Catholic Bishops Council
(KCBC) in Kochi. The meeting also approved a 27-point guideline of its
temperance commission to establish a drug and liquor-free society in the
state.  “India may be the only country where state governments are the main
agents in liquor trade,” it said.


“A government responsible to its people should withdraw from the liquor
trade

Re: [Goanet] Unity in Diversity

2012-12-28 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo



Melbourne has Unity in Diversity related to different cultures and national 
origins more than religion. At one time we had a Premier of Lebanese  descent 
and a Chinese immigrant as a mayor of the city of Melbourne. Our current local 
council is made up of immigrants from various parts of the world. The world at 
large has changed. There is unity in diversity in various forms in all parts of 
the world today, as a little bit of research might show.

--
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 5:56 AM AEDT Eugene Correia wrote:

Here's what I got in an emai. Maybe some of you too have received as
mass mailing. Bring on your attack dear anti-Indian guys/gals,

Eugene
--
When Pranab Mukherjee was sworn in as the President of India in July
2012,the world witnessed


A Parsi Chief Justice Kapadia swear in a Brahmin President  Pranab Mukherjee,
with a Muslim Vice President Hamid Ansari,
A Sikh Prime Minister Manmohan Singh,
An Italian-born Catholic chairman of the ruling party Sonia Gandhi,
A Dalit Speaker of the Parliament Meira Kumar

A Sikh Chief of the Indian Army  General Bikram Singh,
An Anglo Indian  Chief of Air Force Air Chief Marshal N.A.K. Browne and

A Hindu Chief Of Indian Navy Admiral Nirmal Kumar Verma  looking on 


Which other country on this earth can boast of such a Unity in Diversity?


I can't think of any.


MERA BHARAT MAHAAN!





WE salute THEE.

Re: [Goanet] Goa State Central Library (Bernado Colaco)

2012-12-28 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Repeating the old refrain.
 
Contrary to British India, Goa was called the Estado da India Portuguesa and 
was considered an overseas province, as declared by Marques de Pombal (circa 
1757). Goans born in Goa before Dec 1961 are still passive Portuguese citizens, 
unless they formally declared otherwise. (Just like Hawaii is a state of the US 
and its people are born US citizens, if you need to question.). Which is why 
Goans can still re-instate their Portuguese nationality if they want to, and it 
appears that more and more Goans are beating a path to Altinho, according to my 
brother who lives near the consulate.  
 
Today, Goa appears to be more a colony of India, with various areas still being 
occupied by the Indian armed forces. There was more freedom of movement around 
the ports and airport in the Portuguese era than there is today. Check today's 
access to Anjediva for an example. 
 
Gabriel.
 



From: Eugene Correia eugene.corr...@gmail.com
To: goa...@goanet.org 
Sent: Saturday, 29 December 2012 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa State Central Library (Bernado Colaco)

Goa was ruled as a colony, isn't it?

Eugene

[Goanet] AMMYY scam

2012-12-18 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Hi folks,
 
Scammers are at it in full force these days. Just had a scam call from wherever 
it is that they are operating.  
 
The guy who called me had a very unclear Indian accent, claiming to be from 
Microsoft, and said I had a virus that was transmitting weird messages all over 
tha place. Having more than one computer functioning at the time, I asked him 
which computer was exhibiting the problem. He said the second one. Then I told 
him he had to be specific, as I had a number of virtual machines, all running 
different versions of the Windows operating system. 
 
Then he passed me to his supervisor, who asked me to press Win+R, which 
brought up the Run dialog-box, then asked me to type WWW.AMMYY.COM . I 
refused (AMMYY is a legitimate piece of software to allow someone, like an 
administrator or technician to gain control of your computer, in the right 
context.  However, legitimate or not, it is a scammer's best friend; the other 
tools that scammers may use are logmein, supportme, etc). Then he asked me to 
go to the Event Viewer, which displayed some error messages relating to some 
issues I'd had in the past.  He proceeded to alert me to the various red and 
yellow flagged messages, which I knew what they were about anyway (hardware and 
connectivity issues).  I wanted to see how far he would go. Then he said he 
would be able to fix up my computer and get rid of those errors, if I could 
press Win+R and type http://www.ammyy.com/ . I hung up.
 
He called me again, and asked me why I had hung up.  I told him that I had a 
lot of trouble fixing a friend's computer (which I indeed had done, actually 
last year) after scammers had had a go at, by re-installing the O/S etc, that 
he up upto no good, that his motives were highly suspect, and that he was 
indeed setting up a scam. This time, he hung up.
 
Take care and be safe this Christmas season.
 
Regards,
 
Gabriel.

Re: [Goanet] Bringing Goans back to Goa is our dream Deputy CM ofGoa

2012-12-16 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Please do meet the priest and acquaint him with something called dignity of 
labour. A paisa earned working is worth more than any number of rupees 
obtained from a handout or illegitimately. 

From: Eugene Correia eugene.corr...@gmail.com
To: goa...@goanet.org 
Sent: Saturday, 15 December 2012 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Bringing Goans back to Goa is our dream Deputy CM ofGoa

Manuel, I wanted to have a meeting with the priest but I was
restrained by some relatives. 

Suddenly, the Portuguese passport-holding Goan has become a subject of
mockery. I remember Goa- or Mumbai-based Goans would make fun of Goans
working in the Middle East for holding jobs in the hospitality
industry which, however, still holds true.

Re: [Goanet] Goencar..................

2012-12-16 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Dear Floriano, Vivian and others,
 
It is all very well to espouse the cause of Konkani. But all people are not the 
same as you gentlemen are. People can and do have difficulties with expressing 
themselves in a language they are no longer familiar with. It happens with all 
cultures, not necessarily Goan.
 
There are people who have genuinely forgotten the use of of the language if 
they have not spoken for years, and I know a number of such people, past and 
present. They might understand, but the construct of the language to speak it 
confounds them. Then there are other Goans, brought up in today's Goa, who, for 
some reason, have not been spoken to in Konkani, and speak/understand only 
English (the Indian variety, that is).  Yet others, who have not been brought 
up in Goa, yet speak Konkani fluently. 
 
 
I meet all types constantly, and sometimes my greeting in Konkani to the 
newly-arrived Goans to Melbourne gets a reply I am sorry but I don't speak the 
language, with the apology followed by some explanation (born outside Goa, but 
did secondary schooling in Goa, etc).  All explanations accepted by me, because 
I understand some of the difficulties people have with languages. 
 
So please have some tolerance, and rather than getting annoyed, perhaps you 
could offer some assistance in getting these people to relearn (or pick up) the 
language once again.  Think the story of the sun and the wind - benevolence 
always wins, antagonism always loses. 
 
Regards,
 
Gabriel.



From: floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Sunday, 16 December 2012 1:30 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Goencar..

With your permission, I am going to put up this post everywhere because GOANS 
must know that if they despise their own MOTHER TONGUE and run away from it as 
if it a leper they are running away, GOA will be hard to SAVE. Goans shud read 
the history of Jews and Israel.


- Original Message - From: Vivian A. DSouza
To: floriano.l...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 7:00 PM
Subject: Goencar..


I appreciated your posts.  You stated it like it is.  Although I was not born 
in Goa nor brought up or educated in Goa, I speak Konkani proudly.

Re: [Goanet] 108 ambulance attitude

2012-12-02 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

This is terrible. Shades of racism (aka casteism or not from this state)? 
 
AFAIK, the duty of the ambulance and the paramedic is to take the accident 
victim to the hospital for further assessment (unless the victim declines it 
for reasons best know to them),  no matter his colour, status, creed or 
origins. 
 
Action appears similar to the summary justice meted out by the police on a 
criminal caught red-handed. 
 
Gabriel.



From: JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk
To: goa...@goanet.org goa...@goanet.org 
Cc: 108 i...@emri.in 
Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2012 8:32 PM
Subject: [Goanet] 108 ambulance attitude

108 ambulance attitude

Last night we observed this..
We found Ambulance staff  GA- ...2062 (Driver) behaviour very strange or
rude.

[Goanet] Australian Christmas

2012-12-02 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Christmas down under is usually a rather warm affair (in comparison to 
the northern hemisphere), unless we have vagaries of weather which gave us snow 
in the Victorian alps one year and hail (twice in one day) in Melbourne last 
year. Anyhow, enjoy the following Australian Jingle Bells lyrics:
 
Dashing through the bush
In a rusty Holden Ute
Kicking up the dust
Esky in the boot
Kelpie by my side
Singing Christmas songs
It’s summer time and I am in
My singlet, shorts  thongs
 
OH, JINGLE BELLS, JINGLE BELLS
JINGLE ALL THE WAY
CHRISTMAS IN AUSTRALIA
ON A SCORCHING SUMMER’S DAY
JINGLE BELLS, JINGLE BELLS
CHRISTMAS TIME IS BEAUT
OH WHAT FUN IT IS TO RIDE
IN A RUSTY HOLDEN UTE
 
Engine’s getting hot
Dodge the kangaroos
Swaggy climbs aboard
He is welcome too
All the family is there
Sitting by the pool
Christmas day, the Aussie way
By the barbecue!
 
OH, JINGLE BELLS, JINGLE BELLS
JINGLE ALL THE WAY
CHRISTMAS IN AUSTRALIA
ON A SCORCHING SUMMER’S DAY
JINGLE BELLS, JINGLE BELLS
CHRISTMAS TIME IS BEAUT
OH WHAT FUN IT IS TO RIDE
IN A RUSTY HOLDEN UTE
 
Come the afternoon
Grandpa has a doze
The kids and uncle Bruce
Are swimming in their clothes
The time comes round to go
We take a family snap
Then pack the car and all shoot through
Before the washing up
 
OH, JINGLE BELLS, JINGLE BELLS
JINGLE ALL THE WAY
CHRISTMAS IN AUSTRALIA
ON A SCORCHING SUMMER’S DAY
JINGLE BELLS, JINGLE BELLS
CHRISTMAS TIME IS BEAUT
OH WHAT FUN IT IS TO RIDE
IN A RUSTY HOLDEN UTE
 
 
Translations for those unfamiliar with some terms:
UTE: Utility vehicle (aka truck in the US)
Esky: ice-box 
Kelpie: a breed of dog used in mustering sheep
thongs: slippers (not swimwear as in the US).

Re: [Goanet] India’s hidden African communities

2012-11-23 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

It wasn't too long ago that an article had appeared on the NT (and subsequently 
debated here on this forum) which alleged that the Sidhis were escaped slaves 
brought in by the Portuguese. This article is indeed a revelation. 

From: Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا 
fredericknoron...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Friday, 23 November 2012 9:35 AM
Subject: [Goanet] India’s hidden African communities

India’s hidden African communitiesDr Shihan de Silva
Jayasuriya,http://www.global-briefing.org/2012/10/indias-hidden-african-communities/#auth

**

*Indians with African ancestry often go unrecognised but perhaps this is to
be expected in a country with a population of 1.2 billion whose diversity
is as wide as the Indian Ocean.*

Africans traders, sailors and missionaries moved across the Indian Ocean of
their own free will for centuries. From the 13th century, African traders
operated from Janjira, an island off the west coast of India, and from the
16th century Janjira became a power base for Africans who ruled not one,
but two states in western India. In 1948, a year after independence, when
India’s princely states were incorporated into the new India, the states of
Janjira and Sachin were ruled by Sidis – the name by which Indians of
African descent are generally known today.

Elite Sidis still live in India, though they have intermarried and are not
very numerous now. Some have been incorporated into Indian history, but
their Arabic names do not reveal their ethnic identity. For example, Malik
Ambar, an Ethiopian sold to slavery by his parents, became regent minister
of Ahmednagar in 1600. While Ambar’s achievements are unsurpassed, he was
not the only Sidi who reached the corridors of power.

Elite military slavery paved the way for Sidis to gain control and even
establish states that were subsequently ruled by a succession of Sidis.
Janjira was ruled by Sidis for 330 years (1618-1948) and no doubt the
democratic system of electing leaders based on merit, aptitude and
capability rather than on social rank and heredity contributed to the
longevity of African rule in Janjira. Sachin, which was established later,
was ruled by Sidis for about 160 years (1791-1948).

Re: [Goanet] The Church of Assolna

2012-11-18 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Curious, that. Repentance?

From: PAES bennetp...@yahoo.com
To: Roland.francis roland.fran...@gmail.com; Goa's premiere mailing list, 
estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2012 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Church of Assolna

They even went a step further to dismantle the Assolna fort and build a church 
in its place in commemoration of that incident. 

The “Regina Martyrum Church” of Assolna that stands till this day, is the only 
Catholic church in Goa, and perhaps in the whole world, that was built on the 
wreckage of a military garrison.

Re: [Goanet] Cruz Milagres

2012-11-14 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Or, how much she contributes to society, especially to the poor and 
down-trodden.  

Whatever you do to the least of my brethren, that, you do unto me (Matthew 
25).

From: J. Colaco  jc cola...@gmail.com
To: goa...@goanet.org 
Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2012 6:21 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Cruz Milagres

 Perhaps, Ana
will start by telling us what she puts as her contribution to the
Sunday collection.

Re: [Goanet] Gonzaga Coutinho - Rajan and Prema

2012-11-13 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Allow me to paraphrase a new-testament quote: You, Jose Colaco, believe because 
you have been there and seen; blessed are those that have not seen, yet 
believe. For the rest, it is a myth or individual imagination.
 
(Try explaining that you have flown in an aeroplane to one who has never heard 
of, or even seen a plane -  crackers, he will think - how can one fly or sit in 
a box that can fly? Example: see Planet of Apes)



From: Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا 
fredericknoro...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Gonzaga Coutinho - Rajan and Prema

I would submit that the elegant Goan era is, at best, a myth of our
collective (or individual) imagination. It is as real as the Golden Age
that we love to hark back to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age] or a
kind of cycle of yugas [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age#Hindu]
which lives on in our beliefs.

Re: [Goanet] Gonzaga Coutinho - Rajan and Prema

2012-11-11 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

I suppose Roland meant the period when people wished each other Good morning 
or Bom Dia or Bab/Bai boro/bori asa?, said Please or por favor, Thank 
you, obrigado or Deu borem korun, had polite conversation over a cup of 
tea and bhojjes, with not a nasty word in sight (except maybe among the some 
inebriated souls).  Nobody knows when it commenced, but the end probably came 
about in the early seventies, when distrust in the fellow human being took 
roots.
;-)



From: Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا 
fredericknoro...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Gonzaga Coutinho - Rajan and Prema

Is there something as a gentler Goan era? If so, when did that commence,
and when did it end?

Re: [Goanet] (no subject)

2012-11-10 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Colonialism led to the destruction of economic life in the colonies and to 
extreme poverty and deprivation.  Railways? Industries? Airlines? Would these 
have been possible without the British? So after 65 years of Indian 
independence have the slums disappeared? Is nobody dying of hunger and disease 
any more?  
 
The Millennium Declaration of the General Assembly of the United Nations in 
2000...  - I'd say they'll have the same results as Nehru's 5-year plans. 
Malaria is as rampant as are other vector-borne diseases.
 
In Goa, we have achieved remarkable progress since Liberation particularly in 
core sectors such as education, health and infrastructure.
Is Goa a generally better place to live in now than it was in 1961, for 
everyone? How many murders, rapes and robberies take place today compared to 
1961? Do Goans have full control of the airport and the sea-port? How has 
education improved the agriculture sector in Goa? Why are fields lying fallow? 
How many Goans are applying to re-instate their Portuguese nationality and 
leaving Goa in droves? Why? Is today's GMC hospital cleaner and more hygienic 
than the Escola Medica hospitals of Campal and Ribandar of 1961? If not, why 
not?
 


 From: Eduardo Faleiro lokseva...@gmail.com
To: goanet goa...@goanet.org 
Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 9:29 PM
Subject: [Goanet] (no subject)
 

*The Many Challenges Before Goa*

By  Eduardo Faleiro.


Colonialism led to the destruction of economic life in the colonies and to
extreme poverty and deprivation. 
...
The Millennium Declaration of the General Assembly of the United Nations in
2000 identified eight goals to be achieved by every country in the world by
the year 2015. They include elimination of abject poverty, universal
primary education, elimination of epidemics such as malaria etc. 
...
Notable advances here been made by former colonies after their
Independence. In Goa, we have achieved remarkable progress since Liberation
particularly in core sectors such as education, health and infrastructure.

Re: [Goanet] They are just zeroes who do nothing in life

2012-11-09 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Agree with Carlos Coutinho. My son's academic trophies still adorn his old 
bedroom, having left home for another state to run his practice, nearly eight 
years ago. They mean nothing to him now. All he wants is his patients to be 
happy with his sevices. In addition to dental practice, he plays in an A-class 
brass band (he was in three bands when in school - the school's brass band, the 
schools jazz band and the local Darebin City Brass. In addition, he was in 
advanced Maths classes, which were held once a week after hours).  
 
There are other activities outside of Academia and intelligentsia that most 
schools, outside India, encourage their students to participate - music, art, 
drama, varied sports, cooking,etc. 
 
As to racial abuse, well, this stuff is everywhere you go. The Macedonians will 
abuse the Greeks, the Serbs will abuse Croats, the Italians and the Irish will 
try to put one another down within their own respective communities (equiv of 
the so-called Goan crab). As you can discern, we see these things in Melbourne, 
being a fairly cosmopolitan town.  But allow me to end with a remark my wife 
overheard on a tram, made by a Sri Lankan tram driver to a haughty lady who 
abused him after failing to stop at a tram-stop: Lady, I'll take you first to 
England and drop you there before going back to where I came from.  
 
 Gabriel.
 
PS There was an email doing the rounds in internet space with a list of 
successful Indians abroad, and what they could have been had they still 
remained in India.



From: Carlos Coutinho carlos.coutin...@gmail.com
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 7:42 AM
Subject: [Goanet] They are just zeroes who do nothing in life


What have these foriegn Goan children with all their 'better life' managed

to acheive? They are just zeroes who do nothing in life, and to add to that

they have to bear being abused as Pakis, and wogs and coons and other
kindsof humiliations in their foriegn countries. They are not exactly first

class citizens even if they live in the First World.


I feel sorry for them.



During your shocking stream of nastiness you have fallen clumsily on your
own bigoted sword.

Examples of UK, USA, Canada, Australia, Bahamas, Macau etc Goan achievement
across disciplines shouldn’t be hard to find, if you are interested please
do some research.  Having just listened to an eloquent London based Goan
academic on Radio 4, I’m sure a man of your ability can find at least one
hero to celebrate.

Re: [Goanet] What is Great in Mother Theresa ?

2012-11-09 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

All I can say that that author's grapes were sour. Did he ever walk in MT's 
shoes for a day? Did he ever take participate in a soup kitchen in the UK 
providing food for the destitute, to see what its like and meet the 
down-and-outs?

 From: Sandesh Anvekar sandeshanve...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] What is Great in Mother Theresa ?

Please read .. and decide for yourself

~Sandesh
  [image: Mother Teresa: The Final
Verdict]http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/8188248002/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8n=283155s=books

-- 
Sandesh

Re: [Goanet] Rise of the Superbugs - Four Corners

2012-11-01 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

--
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:39 AM AEDT E DeSousa wrote:

Thanks! Con Menezes for posting a link to alert us to the scary story of the
rise of the superbugs.

Gabriel De Figueiredo points out that superbugs are also created when
hospital
waste is not disposed of properly, preferably by inceneration .

Comment:
This is quite alarming as it implies that infections that up to now could be
dealt with using known antibiotcs, could be out of control, unless new drugs
could be developed to to once again tackle the world's most resistant germs.

Some excerpts from an writeup on the subject by Jason Gale and Adi Narayan -
May
7, 2012

The new superbugs are multiplying so successfully because of a gene dubbed
NDM-1. That’s short for New Delhi metallo-beta-lactamase-1, a reference to the
city where a Swedish man was hospitalized in 2007 with an infection that
resisted standard antibiotic treatments.

The superbugs are proving to be not only wily but also highly sexed. The
NDM-1
gene is carried on mobile loops of DNA called plasmids that transfer easily
among and across many types of bacteria through a form of microbial mating.
This
means that unlike previous germ-altering genes, NDM-1 can infiltrate dozens of
bacterial species. Intestine-dwelling E. coli, the most common bacterium that
people encounter, soil-inhabiting microbes and water-loving cholera bugs can
all
be fortified by the gene.

What’s worse, germs empowered by NDM-1 can muster as many as nine other ways
to
destroy the world’s most potent antibiotics.
More than 40 countries have discovered the genetically altered superbugs in
blood, urine and other patient specimens. Canada, France, Italy, Kosovo and
South Africa have found them in people with no travel links, suggesting the
bugs
have taken hold there.

Read more at
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-07/drug-defying-germs-from-india-speed-post-antibiotic-era.html

Regards,
E.

Wow - that is worse than I thought.
Gabriel.

Re: [Goanet] Rise of the Superbugs - Four Corners

2012-10-30 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

From my point of view, superbugs are also created when hospital waste is not 
disposed of properly, preferably by inceneration. A few years ago, as I was 
passing by the Asilo in Mapuçá, I could see bloodied bandages and other 
hospital waste by the roadside. All it would take for a superbug to arise is 
rotting dressings, discarded antibiotics and a few flies (which abound in that 
part of the world). The flies could then sit on an open wound of a patient, 
and probably infect that patient with a bug, resistant to antibiotics, or, 
contaminate the patient's food with a resitant bug. If this is the norm in 
Goa, you can imagine the conditions in areas surrounding India's capital 
(which on my last visit there, are much worse than Goa's conditions of waste 
disposal).





From: Con Menezes cmene...@tpg.com.au
To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2012 10:31 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Rise of the Superbugs - Four Corners

The Superbugs  as shown in the Indian hospitals.
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2012/10/25/3618608.htm

Re: [Goanet] enticing e mails

2012-10-28 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

In addition to the enticing emails (aka Somali emails), there have been many a 
call from Indian call centres (you can tell by their accent), as Gabe recently 
told us, telling you that they are from Microsoft, and that a very bad virus 
has been detected on the callee's computer.  This used to happen some time 
early last year and was reported from a wide spectrum of people in Australia, 
in the papers. Don't fall for this ruse, if you do get called. 
 
One of my cousins fell for this as she was distracted and eagerly awaiting a 
call from her son in Dubai (which had troubles in neighbouring states at the 
time), and nearly fell into the trap when the guy calling asked her for her 
credit card details, when she wised up that she was being scammed. In the 
meanwhile, the guy had acquired full access to her computer via logmein (the 
guy told her to type this that and the other on her computer to demonstrate a 
pseudo-virus, and then walked her through the logmein process), but obviously 
could not locate anything of monetary interest recorded on the hard-drive. I 
had to travel an hour's drive by car on the freeway (motorway for the Brits) to 
get to their place and reformat the hard drive + reload all system s/ware as 
all access to MyComputer and Windows Explorer was denied. I had to use the 
command prompt screen to get their data and emails onto an USB drive before 
performing the reformat/reload. To be on
 the safe side, I also disconnected the computer physically from the ADSL modem.
 
My wife and I were called a few times by callers purporting to be from 
Microsoft. Since they called us, we took them on a merry time-wasting exercise, 
feigning ignorance, before hanging up.
 
This scam has, for now in Australia at least, fortunately stopped.
 
 
 
 
Gabriel.
 


From: Nelson Lopes nellope...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012 12:40 AM
Subject: [Goanet] enticing emails


Enticing emails
Many a gullible  receiver of fraudulent emails is tempted by curiosity and
greed.

Re: [Goanet] UK Parking Tickets - Penalty Charges - Driver Owner E-Petition - Open Invitation to Participate and Sign

2012-10-28 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Ah! The Melbournian disease has now spread to the UK!

From: Melvyn Fernandes mel...@orange.net
To: goanetgoanet goanet@lists.goanet.org; goa...@goanet.org 
Sent: Saturday, 27 October 2012 9:56 PM
Subject: [Goanet] UK Parking Tickets - Penalty Charges - Driver Owner 
E-Petition - Open Invitation to Participate and Sign

Dear goanet readers in the United Kingdom

As you are aware, at the moment, local authorities, private companies and 
their sub-contractors can issue parking tickets/penalty charges in the United 
Kingdom 
and it is up to you to prove them wrong or else pay up which can be up to GBP 
130.

[Goanet] Czardas - a Violin / Double Bass duet

2012-10-28 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n0qXSO7Z-Q
 
Watch the conductor shaking his head

Re: [Goanet] Why India Invaded Goa

2012-10-25 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Yet another interview by someone who apparently was in the thick of things, 
which would go some way to refute Mr Kaul re the state of conditions prevailing 
pre-invasion ...

 
GERARD DE SOUZA
ger...@herald-goa.com

PANJIM: The Dawn of December 19, 1961 was a very uncertain day for Prem 
Prakash. Waking up early at a makeshift army camp along the Goa border with 
Belgaum , this field correspondent-cum-TV camera man, then working for the 
Viznews (Today Reuters TV) didn’t know whether he would live to see the end of 
it.
Prakash along with other journalists were moving along with the Indian Army in 
a bid to document the Indian invasion of Goa and had camped along with the 
army at the border.
 
I was at that time in Belgaum , but from there decided to move to the border. 
However, suddenly on the day of Liberation, the army decided to impose severe 
restrictions on media coverage as it was expecting full-fledged battle. 
However, I and a few other journalists took the risk and crossed the border in 
to Goa on our own, Prem recalls.
 
Prem was covering the diplomatic tussle between India and Portugal in the years 
preceeding the invasion from Delhi and considering the heightened tensions and 
rumours of war, he had shifted to Belgaum to be closer to the action.
 
However, Prem admits that he along with senior officers of the Indian Army 
were taken aback by the peacefulness of Goa .
 
On entering Goa, we found that the place was very peaceful. The Portuguese had 
left land mines on many areas of the roads leading to Panjim. But the local 
people who had seen the Portuguese planting the land mines had marked those 
areas by placing small flags and notifiying Indian soldiers about their 
presence. Senior officers were surprised to find us there but were at the same 
time happy that we came, Prem said.
 
It was then that Prem says he first fell in love with the State. I then stayed 
at Goa ’s best Hotel, Hotel Mandovi, which had a beautiful open deck 
restaurant, facing the riverfront. Panjim was a very clean and well looked 
after city, not like it is today. The people everywhere were very peaceful and 
were happy that the liberation had ended without much bloodshed, Prem said.
 
Even the Dabolim airport, though one of the smallest airports of the country, 
was better than many of the airports of Indian cities at that time, Prem says.
 
He also recalls the Officers of the Indian Army going on a shopping spree. 
Many people who had come to Goa at that time including army officers did a lot 
of shopping. At that time there were severe import restrictions to India , but 
in Goa a lot of European goods were freely available, he says.
 
Prem was the only TV cameraman in the State at that time and all the footage 
recorded of the liberation was taken by him and is proud to have covered the 
biggest headline of the day right across the world.
 
Today Prem, is retired as a full time journalist but continues to be a 
contributor and columnist. He lives in Delhi , but owns a hotel in Goa .

Re: [Goanet] the fascinating Portuguese study

2012-10-25 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

IAF were scrambled to give chase was what I said. Give chase may have been 
too strong a word that I used - perhaps investigate would have been better.  
The actual word used by the pilot reporting the incident was intercept. 
 
The information comes from a paragraph of 
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1961Goa/1014-Loughran.html
 
17th/18th Dec. Vamp NF X, No. ID608. After landing at Poona, we were ordered 
off again at about three thirty, (A/C No. ID 608, same crew) to intercept a 
target aircraft heading in a NNW direction off the coast, we never made 
contact. This target turned out to be the Super Connie that took off from 
Dabolim and hugging the deck went to Karachi [1]. Many years later (1985/86) 
the Captain of that TAIP Super Connie was flying B 737's with Air Malta.. 

Gabriel.
 
PS the funny aircraft I saw were actually Vampires, not Sea Vixens (they look 
similar, though, both manufactured by De Havilland).
 
PPS I understand there were actually two aircraft involved in that last-minute 
evacuation: one piloted by Capt Reis (TAP Constellation), and the very last 
flight out being piloted by Capt Solano de Almeida (TAIP DC-4). Incidentally, 
and I may have said this before, Capt Solano de Almeida piloted the first TAIP 
aircraft (a Heron) to be delivered to Goa, and was the pilot of the last TAIP 
aircraft (DC-4) to fly out of Goa. This last journey was also described in 
detail by a paratroop nurse, regretably the site is no longer available, but 
see 
http://blogueforanadaevaotres.blogspot.com.au/2012/01/guine-6374-p9348-parabens-voce-367.html :
Tivemos um regresso atribulado a bordo de um DC4 dos TAIP (Transportes Aéreos 
da ex-Índia Portuguesa), cujo comandante,  Solano de Almeida,  o tinha 
conseguido retirar com estilhaços, e fugido com a pista inoperativa, 
conjuntamente com um avião da TAP que ainda vinha mais esburacado e que ficou a 
reparar em Carachi.




From: Jose Colaco cola...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Cc: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org; Gabriel 
de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au; vrangel...@yahoo.com 
vrangel...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Friday, 26 October 2012 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: the fascinating Portuguese study


On Oct 25, 2012, the always elegant and distinguished Victor Rangel-Ribeiro 
wrote:


Contrary to what you say about Indian fighter jets being scrambled to shoot 
down the fleeing refugee plane, the Portuguese researches claim the Indian Air 
Force pilots had explicit instructions not to interfere with the flight. I'll 
post more on these episodes later in the week.   


---




3: I find it difficult to believe that a civilian plane would have been 
attacked by IAF.


4: I definitely understand the concern and preventive action on the part of 
TAIP. That is the special responsibility of ALL pilots charged with 
transporting women, children and other refugees.

Re: [Goanet] Why India Invaded Goa

2012-10-24 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

As far as I am concerned, this is the same kind of propaganda paraded by the 
likes of military intelligence that had thousands of Portuguese troops all 
lined up at the borders of Goa, curfews, shoot-at-sight orders, supersonic 
fighters at Dabolim, etc.  Reality was quite different, quite the opposite in 
fact. The thousands of Portuguese troops in all of Goa, Damao  Diu numbered to 
less than 3000, there were no curfews, no shoot-at-sight orders, no supersonic 
fighters ever visited Goa (at least as far as I know). There was law and order 
not by force, but out of sheer habit and a strong moral conscience, which was 
probably the result of 450 years of Portuguese inculturation.
 
Post invasion, there were curfews, people were indeed shot at by the Indian 
soldiery who shouted orders in Hindi (few Goans understood Hindi at the time). 
Bells tolled all over Goa over the death of a young boy who was shot dead at 
point-blank range, in broad day-light (according to Leo Lawrence).  Time 
magazine has a contemporary article on pre and post invasion.  Dabolim was, of 
course, pot-holed with bomb craters, and despite these craters (which were 
quietly patched up in the fading light of the evening, according to Mario 
Cabral e Sa), the last TAIP flight took off overladen with the last of the 
families of the Portuguese in the dead of night. The Indian airforce, according 
to Bharat-Rakshak, was scrambled to give chase, but the TAIP flight flew low to 
avoid radar detection, and Bharat Rakhak records that the plane could not be 
located by the Indian airforce. 
 
My personal experience was that I went to kindergarten right up to 14th 
December, the day when the school-bus didn't turn up.  My mum and I went to the 
school (at Miramar, where cuurently a Lodge is located) by cab, and were told 
eles todos voltaram a Europa - they've all gone back to Europe). That 
afternoon saw scores of trucks laden with luggage and personal belongings of 
the portuguese soldiers and their families going down from Altinho in Pangim 
(there was a large barracks complete with a swimming pool, next to the Bishop's 
residence, and is now occupied by the Indian military), and by evening no taxis 
was to be found as they were commandeered by the Portuguese soldiers (in lieu 
of communications facilities, I understand, from an article by Gen. Carlos 
Azaredo). My Dad and I had to go the Hospital Escolar (as the old GMC hospital 
at Campal used to known by) by horse-carriage to visit my aunt who had 
delivered a  baby girl on the 12th Dec. 
 
On the 18th Dec, the first thing I knew was strange-looking planes (looked like 
Sea Vixens) flying overhead (they were on their way to bomb Bambolim, a purely 
extravagant exercise from my point of view). All the neighbours came to our 
place to discuss what was happening. At around 4:00 pm in the afternoon, the 
archbishop went down the road from Altinho in miltary uniform (if I remember 
correctly), in a jeep, and saluted Dad as they drove past.  Soon after, there 
was a thunderous noise, and my Dad remarked Lá vai a ponte de Banastarim - 
there goes the Banastarim bridge. Thereafter we all went to the Coelho's house 
opposite ours, and every-one started praying the rosary. We were there until 
maybe 7:30pm. It was darkness everywhere, and as far as I can recollect, it was 
the first time Panjim was in total darkness.  The next day saw disorder at 
Palácio Idalcão, where Dad and I saw someone (probably Prabhakar Sinari) was 
ordering the burning of
 the furniture, pictures and documents, right in front of the statue of Abbe 
Faria. We quickly came back home, and noticed planes circling overhead. Now I 
know that the planes were cicrling Mormugão, where Gen Vassalo e Silva and his 
last troops were being rounded up. 
 
Interestingly, an article on Navhind Times of 20th October last, says And when 
Goa was liberated from the Portuguese rule by the Indian Army on December 19, 
1961, the number of Goan families who migrated to Portugal was so large that it 
almost gained proportion of an exodus.  Now why would they, the Goans, do that?
 
You decide. 
 
Gabriel.
==
 
From: Roland Francis roland.fran...@gmail.com
To: 'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!' goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2012 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Why India Invaded Goa

What can I say JC.
I was quite out of the loop when it happened, a middle school kid really.
On the one hand I was in Bombay and heard people like the polished Triloki
Nath Kaul (the Kashmiri Pundit guy in the You Tube snippet) then foreign
secretary and other British-educated suave and post-independence polished
Indian generation (they no longer exist, the current crop mumbles in
English) making a case for Goa's liberation. On the other hand there was
this fascist European dictator who badly needed an image makeover
communicating to Goans in India, mostly Bombay, through a propaganda weekly,

Re: [Goanet] Re different English - then.

2012-10-24 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Ha ha!, yes, when the local car insurance company out-sourced their 
call-centre, I knew I was talking to an Indian with a bad American accent, and 
I did mention the fact to him, who denied it. Anyhow, the cat was out of the 
bag when he used rather Indian terminology and went on to mentioning costs 
(which Aussie call-center never did in the past) rather than asking if 
everything was OK... 




From: Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2012 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Re different English - then.


RESPONSE: They call me every second day - even though I am subscribed to a
service that prohibits them calling me! They call themselves Ash, Peter,
John and so forth and so on. Unfortunately all of them have a quasi
American twang!

Re: [Goanet] Why India Invaded Goa

2012-10-24 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Much water has passed under the bridge, as was stated by jc, however, the 
following article might help clear RF's bewilderment. 
 
NOTE: A similar trickery, as mentioned in the initial paragraphs below, appears 
to have been used to capture Hyderabad a few years earlier ...
 
THE DIRTY GAME PLAYED BY V.K KRISHNA MENON AGAINST GOA
 
BY PUTNAM WELLES HANGEN, CHIEF OF BUREAU, NATIONAL BROADCASTING CORPORATION 
(NBC), NEW DEHLI, 1960-1964. ...
Only later did I realize how great the strain was. Menon was already hatching 
plans to seize the 1394-square-mile Portuguese enclave of Goa, on the west 
coast of India. I have authentic information that Menon and Lieutenant General 
B. M. Kaul, the chief of the general staff, planned to send a party of Indian 
border police into Goa, some of whom would allow themselves to be captured by 
the Portuguese.
 
The rest were to fall back and give the alarm. Under the pretext of rescuing 
the captured border guards, a small Indian force would move in and engage the 
Portuguese. The main body of Indian troops would then quickly overrun Goa, 
which is about the size of Rhode Island. In late November 1961 Nehru got wind 
of the scheme and summoned Menon and the senior military chiefs. He rebuked 
them for plotting direct action against Goa without his permission. Menon 
persisted. With the help of hand-picked lieutenants like G. K. Handoo, a top 
security officer, he stepped up subversion against the Portuguese in Goa. The 
Indian border police under Handoo's direction recruited, trained, and equipped 
saboteurs, who were slipped across the border into Goa. Fabricated stories 
about Portuguese border provocations were fed to the Indian press.
 
On December 7, 1961, Menon lent the weight of his official position to the 
concoctions. He told the Lok Sabha: Reports Have been pouring in for the last 
two weeks of intensified firing activity, oppression and terrorism in Goa and 
of heavy reinforcements of Portuguese armed forces There was a report of 
2,500 troops having been deployed along the Goa border... also a report of a 
fleet of two Portuguese frigates standing guard 3,000 more troops from 
African and other places have also arrived It was also reported that 
dawn-to-dusk curfew had been imposed and that anyone coming after the curfew 
hours would be shot at sight Another report said that in Daman over 1,000 
Portuguese soldiers had landed The Portuguese armed forces are thus poised 
near the border at various points to overawe and intimidate both the residents 
of Goa and those living in the border villages on the Indian side. Hit-and-run 
raids across the border already seem to
 have started. A raid in a village near Savantvadi was reported two days ago.
 
There was indeed a military build-up under way, but it was on the Indian, not 
the Portuguese, side. Rail traffic throughout northern and western India had 
been disrupted to move the elite 50th Paratroop Brigade and the 17th Infantry 
Division to jumping-off positions near the Goa border. Elements of the First 
Armored Division were also deployed. In full view of the Goan coast, India had 
assembled a task force compose of the newly acquired aircraft carrier Vikrant, 
two cruisers, a destroyer flotilla, at least two antisubmarine frigates, two 
antiaircraft frigates, and supporting craft. Canberra jet bombers and Gnat and 
Vampire fighters had been concentrated at Belgaum to support the ground and 
naval units.
 
Contrary to what Menon had said, no Portuguese reinforcements ever reached the 
3,500-man garrison in Goa and the two smaller enclaves in India. Against 
India's heavy Centurion tanks, the Portuguese could muster only a handful of 
1942- vintage armored reconnaissance cars. They had no air force whatever. 
Their only warship was the seventeen-year-old sloop Afonso de Albuquerque, 
which went into action against the entire Indian armada. I know these facts 
firsthand because I spent ten days covering every part of Goa before the 
Indians invaded, and I was there during the take-over. My own observation leads 
me to credit the estimate by foreign military attaches that India enjoyed at 
least a ten-to-one numerical superiority over the hopelessly ill-equipped and 
outmanned Portuguese defenders. The invasion of Goa actually began more than 
twenty-four hours before India announced early on December 18, 1961, that its 
troops had been ordered to move in. On Sunday
 morning, December 17, several other Western correspondents and I ran into 
bearded Indian troops dug in at least a quarter of a mile inside Goan 
territory. They had taken over the Sinquervale frontier post, abandoned three 
days before by the Portuguese, who feared that its exposed position would give 
the Indians an opportunity to provoke a shooting incident.
 
The Indians needed no pretext. The other correspondents and I alighted from our 
taxi to walk several hundred yards to what we expected would be a Portuguese 
frontier

Re: [Goanet] Emaciated peformance at Lusofonia

2012-10-23 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Well may you say that, and I've said it to a few singers as well - but will 
they correct it? They still go Remo's way which is blatantly incorrect. Why is 
it incorrect?
 
Botar is an old Portuguese verb that was still used in Damão when the verses 
were composed, and is still commonly used in Brazil (check any 
Brazilian tele-novela on RTP, which would also have other 
Brazilian coloquialisms). http://www.wordreference.com/pten/botar shows the 
various meanings of the verb. 
 
In the verses below, from the Barra de Damão, Carinona placed a rose in her 
hair; and Maria, I presume, wears perfume:
 
Carinona Caxumbé, Carinona Caxumbé
Botou rosa, botou rosa, botou rosa na xendé
O zumbá Zé, o zumbá Zé 
.
A Maria bota cher, a Maria bota cher,
A Maria bota cher, a Maria bota cher

 
Cheers,
 
Gabriel.  




From: Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2012 10:31 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Emaciated peformance at Lusofonia

 but certainly Maria Pitache is not concani but a song from Damao. In fact it 
is Maria butacheiro - Maria smells goods or has a good fragrance according to 
the people from Damao. It is wrongly sung by our bharat ratnam who was the 
originator of this putache.
 
BC

Re: [Goanet] Dr. Kui and Nehru seizes Goa

2012-10-15 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Dr Kui was a paclo vet, I understand, and his favourite exclamation to no-one 
in particular, when walking around the Panjim garden in the balmy evenings, as 
I remember it, was Eh sonsarant sogleank kui, curling the right index finger 
in the air. Hence the name. He was in Goa until, perhaps, '66. Sometimes he was 
followed by another person who was not altogether there, who used to exclaim 
Salazar ietlo', Salazar paulo' ... 




From: Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Sunday, 14 October 2012 3:34 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Dr. Kui and Nehru seizes Goa

It is a shame that the nephew of Leo Lourenco does not give out the copies of 
NSG (family possesion)and unfortunately 1556 does not want to publish an 
online version .
The book is like a tin por tin description of the events of 61. Some of it is 
shocking, so please if you are reading please take care. The neo colonialistas 
have banned this book because it explains all the lies and consparicies 
aganist GDD and Nagar Haveli. 
 
BC
 
 
 
Where can I get the book Nehru seizes Goa and who was Dr. Kui.

Regards,

Re: [Goanet] 1960 ani Dr. Kui

2012-10-11 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Another interesting story - I think it is mentioned in Nehru Seizes Goa -  was 
that there was a parade of the Mocidade Portuguesa at Liceu in Panjim, on the 
occasion of the Feast of Immaculate Conception (8th December) (and probably 
more of the same in other parts of Goa). Just at that time, some Indian planes 
flew overhead (and probably photographed the parade) and concluded it was a 
parade of the Portuguese armed forces ...




From: Valmiki Faleiro valmikigoa...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2012 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] 1960 ani Dr. Kui

Dear Doutor Jose,

You may be right on the source, but the fact that the Indian military
intelligence
was fed with grossly inflated accounts of defences pouring into Goa was
related to me by an Offr who was in the thick of things in 1961 -- a Goan
on the
Indian side.

Regards, v

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Jose Colaco cola...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Oct 9, 2012, at 11:07 AM, Valmiki Faleiro valmikigoa...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Chacha,
 
  The guys running gold, Swiss watches and similar imported contraband
 from Goa, across the Ghats to India, fed the fantastic stories of
 anti-aircraft guns, NATO armour, etc. pouring into Goa, to Indian military
 intelligence.

 jc:  Baba Valmiki,

 Allow me please to disagree.

 I submit that it was infinitely contrary to their interests to do that.
 After all, they were profiting from the situation and would have been most
 pleased if it had continued ad infinitum.

 I also submit that the stories were supplied by the AGD chaps.


  That, primarily accounts for the 10:1 Indian superiority in 1961.

 jc: I doubt it. I submit that the whole exercise was to protect Menon's
 Jeep and improve the other ChaCha's electoral fortunes. Surprised?


  It is a different story that these guys, who fattened themselves on
 Portuguese largesse arising from the economic blockade, cried *Jai Hind*
 the moment Indian troops marched in. Wonder what they would say if tomorrow
 the Chinese marched in for Goan iron ore?

 jc: Not totally unexpected  Is it? As Dr Kui rightly reportedly stated.

 jc



  I was told the story of the almost fabled Dr. Kui around this time 50
 years ago. It seems a
  Panjim businessman was seated at Gaspar Dias, enjoying the evening
 breeze with his friends.
  Dr. Kui saw him, walked up and said in Portuguese: O, Senhor Dempo. The
 Indians came and
  you became Dhempe. Now the Chinese are coming and you will become
 Dempoo.
 
  Regards, v
 
  On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:42 AM, Alfred de Tavares 
 alfredtava...@hotmail.com
  wrote:
 
 
 
  Whatever the negative state of the armed action Nehru had no time to
  listen to sound advice
  tendered by his generals. He was in a demoniacal hurry. His paragon,
  Krishna Menon, recovering
  from the ignomious jeep scandal...the Bofers debacle of the moment...had
  to be saved at all cost...
 
  There are stories about the FFs to be told.Valmiki, please pick up
 the
  mantle...
 
  Alfred de Tavares,
  Stockholm, Sweden.
  Tel: 00946 70 295 b4091

Re: [Goanet] Lambert Mascarenhas: Still sorrowing for his land

2012-10-09 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

What did he expect? That Goa would be left alone, after liberation? That Goa 
would not be swamped by Indians, after having lived in Bombay/Mumbai, and seen 
the utter corruption and dadagiri, the latter being the results of 
prohibition and sever controls on imports? 

From: Goanet News Service goanet.refor...@bell.net
To: Goanet goa...@goanet.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 2:04 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Lambert Mascarenhas: Still sorrowing for his land

The journalist in him continues to search for explanations for the present 
state of affairs and solutions to the problems afflicting in the state. But Mr 
Mascarenhas still pines for the Goa of the past. Goa used to be a peaceful 
place where people were content. That is not the case today, he lamented.

Re: [Goanet] Anna Hazare says the path of politics is full of dirt - GSRP Comments

2012-10-03 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

What I'd like to know is when was Goa granted independence.
 
AFAIK, Goa was invaded by the Indian armed forces and annexed Goa to India, 
thereby subjecting Goa's dependence on New Delhi instead of Lisboa. The Indian 
troops still occupy Goa (Panjim, Bambolim, Navelim, Vasco, Mormugao, and 
Anjediva to name a few) and the Navy is still occupying Goa's airport at 
Dabolim. 
 
Gabriel.
 
PS Goa's ministers are not independent, even if voted in by Goans and 
neo-Goans. They are still subject to their higher-ups in New Delhi, whatever be 
their colour.  Which is why I suspect we haven't seen the Manohar of the past 
in the present setup. 

 


From: Eugene Correia eugene.corr...@gmail.com
To: goa...@goanet.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2012 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Anna Hazare says the path of politics is full of dirt - 
GSRP Comments


 One thing that's true is the
downgrading of the political process. it's the price of Independence.
With the exception of Floriano and many Goans who seem unhappy at
Goa's own independence, the rest of Goans seem resigned to their
fates. The way is to look forward and not glance backwards. Goa's
Portuguese past has been consigned to the dustbin.

Re: [Goanet] WHEN I PAY, I EXPECT MY MONEYS' WORTH

2012-10-03 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Maybe they are telling the story the way it was, not the way it has been 
distorted by politicians and idealists.
 
See The Suez and Goa (Montreal Gazette Dec 22, 1961), for an example of the 
fact. It is contemporary news, not something generated months or years after 
the fact. Misinformation is what India was good at, in 1961 (Indian military 
intelligence put out that Goa had supersonic fighters at Dabolim, amassed 
troops at border, curfews, etc etc you can read about it in Bharat Rakshak), 
and is probably still good at, today. 
 
If after 50 years, tiatrist loyalties still lie with the Portuguese, there must 
be something very wrong or unjust with the current setup - don't you think?



From: Eugene Correia eugene.corr...@gmail.com
To: goa...@goanet.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2012 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] WHEN I PAY, I EXPECT MY MONEYS' WORTH

One song, Fondantlo Uttolo, sung by trio Lawry, Andrew  Francis de
Tuem provides some misinformation regarding Goa's liberation. The song
says that if the Portuguese naval ship or ships were not prevented in
mid-ocean, the Portuguese would have defeated the Indian armed forces.

Some of these tiatrists still harp on the Portuguese rule and, at the
same time, condemn India's taking over of Goa. One can't argue with
them because their loyalties lie with Portugal but one can point out
to the distortion of facts. Praising the Portuguese rule is one thing,
but giving false information is another. I wish the singers run songs
dealing with Goa's history by those who know better. Youngsters
shouldn't be provide with wrong information.

Re: [Goanet] Allen de Sa holds dual citizenship: Mickky

2012-09-22 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

It is a little known fact that all Goans born in Goa prior to 19 Dec 1961, are 
de-facto Portuguese citizens, and their citizenship has not been lost as a 
result of Indians forcing their citizenship on to Goans. Those Goans, except 
those who were then in Govt service and forced to revoke their nationality 
(which is why many of them left Goa, except for Pe. Chico Monteiro), are still 
passive Portuguese citizens. Allen de Sa was my contemporary at Dhempe's, 
therefore he would be one of those Goans born prior to 19 Dec 1961, and 
consequently, still a de-facto Portuguese citizen.  
 
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think enrolment in Govt service 
means a revoking of Portuguese nationality, unless he specifically signed a 
document to that effect. 
 
Gabriel.   



From: Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Saturday, 22 September 2012 5:25 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Allen de Sa holds dual citizenship: Mickky

MARGAO: In what appears to be a direct fallout of Thursday's suspension of
Verna PI Edwin Colaco, Nuvem MLA Francisco 'Mickky' Pacheco, on Friday,
accused South Goa superintend of police Allen de Sa of holding dual
citizenship.

Re: [Goanet] Parrikartan: THE GREAT GOAN LAND GRAB

2012-09-09 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

On the other hand, does rest of India and its armed forces consider Goa and 
Goans as spoils of war?

Re: [Goanet] Parrikartan: THE GREAT GOAN LAND GRAB

2012-09-08 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Question is: what is it about Goa that makes it so desirable? Aren#39;t 
other coastal areas, both eastern and western, not good enough, that the armed 
forces and other indian govt offices nned to covet tiny Goa?

Does this conversely imply that, after all, the Portuguese must have left 
something good in Goa?

Gabriel

Re: [Goanet] (no subject)

2012-08-24 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Have you requested assistance?

From: Ana Maria Fernandes amferns_n...@hotmail.com
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Friday, 24 August 2012 1:22 AM
Subject: [Goanet] (no subject)

Those who do shopping and do home budgets know very well that almost 
everything in this world has to be bought with very high price. If you go to 
the fish market with one thousand rupees you do not have with you ten rupees 
even for you to travel back home. Myo husband and I are working very hard to 
support three children. Thank God my children are very understanding .We buy 
fish two times in a month because fish is out of reach. We have no support of 
any sort from the catholic church to which I belong. Had i to become a Parsee 
we would have received so much of support from the commrunity. Today the 
catholic church does not care for its people. Constructions in this church and 
construstion in that church. Halls here and halls there. Priests keep on 
asking for donations. from where to give ? My husband is an orthodox 
haschristian and feels that he  has to give God. I do not oppose him as I do 
not want a disscussion. what to do ? but everytime he donates
 my family suffers. 
Ann

Re: [Goanet] From avocados to coconuts

2012-08-20 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Any people with powers of observation around?  I would suggest asking the 
locals if the size of coconuts has decreased dramatically. At least, that has 
been my observation when I was in Goa last June. When questioned, an 
agriculturalist informed me of a pest issue (I know some people in the recent 
past blamed the microwave radiation from mobile-phone towers, but this could be 
a coincidence).  So pest problems must be true. Probably passed around by rats 
(kol-undir?), who tend to occupy / visit coconut trees for food and nesting.




From: Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا 
fredericknoron...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Saturday, 18 August 2012 5:00 PM
Subject: [Goanet] From avocados to coconuts

I'm on some global coconut forum and they're taking about severe pest
problems in parts of the globe. Question (1) are we facing any of the
same in Goa? (2) as far as prices go, how is the coconut in Goa
faring? Thanks in advance, FN
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Re: [Goanet] Old time Lusostalgia... PG recommended!

2012-08-19 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

May be fascist in its setting, but the Goans of the day were members of the 
Mocidade Portuguesa. One of them was my cousin, who later was a member of the 
NCC during his Commerce College (Altinho) days, then later was conscripted into 
the Portuguese Army in Angola, and saw action there. 
 
Another youtube link, named PORTUGUESE FASCIST PROPAGANDA (WITH TRANSLATION), 
actually refers to Goans as Portuguese nationals.  
 
 
This video shows Portugal welcoming German, British and Italian vessels during 
WWII. 
 
At 13:44 -
The war at sea continues to leave many victims in its wake. The shipwrecked 
crew of the Dutch steamer, Arendskerk, torpedoed in the Bay of Biscay by a 
German submarine, was brought to Lisbon, and was there promptly received and 
sheltered.Some of the members of the crew were Portuguese nationals from 
Mormugao, in Portuguese India.
 
Gabriel.
 
PS Ths video however, does not mention the thousands of Jews saved from a 
certain death, probably because the consul who arranged for their safe passage 
was not favoured by the Salazarist government. Incidentally, the Hotel Palacio 
Estoril, was, during WWII, the meeting place of European officials and Royalty, 
and a hotbed of spies, which became the setting for Ian Fleming's At Her 
Majesty's Service.  
 


From: Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا 
fredericknoron...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Saturday, 18 August 2012 5:21 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Old time Lusostalgia... PG recommended!

Quite stirring! Though it does does seem rather Fascist to me. Some
old timers might recollect this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx_8Vzuyayg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYKEKwWYmJE

Re: [Goanet] Jai Uhuru .... or is it?

2012-08-19 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Yeah, replused for sure. Seen that before, when I did a search on youtube re 
Indian Police.  Amazing isn't it? Some freedom! 

From: J. Colaco  jc cola...@gmail.com
To: goa...@goanet.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2012 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Jai Uhuru  or is it?

I am totally repulsed. et tu?

Re: [Goanet] What does 420 mean?

2012-08-08 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

In Australia, we have Four #39;n Twenty pies, an iconic brand name, a 
favourite which is popular at footy games and work sites. :-)

http://www.patties.com.au/our-brands/fourn-twenty.htm

Cheers,

Gabriel.

Re: [Goanet] Egg yolks linked to heart disease

2012-08-06 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Fried or boiled? From my point of view, the former is more likely to cause the 
cardiac issues than the latter. 
 
From observations, my dad, a daily fried-egg eater had heart issues at 64; my 
uncle, a daily boiled-egg (currried) eater, lived nearly to ninety without any 
cardiac issues. 
 
I may be wrong. Doctors on this forum may have a different view. 
 
Gabriel.



From: Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2012 10:41 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Egg yolks linked to heart disease

YOU have been warned!

Roger Dobson
Sunday, 5 August 2012

Don't go to work on an egg. Or at least not more than twice a week,
particularly if you're at risk from heart disease. According to new
Canadian research, the more egg yolks people eat, the worse the effect on
blood vessels.

Re: [Goanet] Fw: FW: Goa - a reportagem de quem viveu na ex-colónia portuguesa

2012-07-20 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

But why did they mix pictures of the Indian Union with those of Goa? It looks 
like parts of Bombay and Delhi (there were no cycle or auto rickshaws in Goa 
before 1962) were included in the reportagem for some ulterior motives, 
perhaps to suit the ideologies of certain people?  

 From: Con Menezes cmene...@tpg.com.au
To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Friday, 20 July 2012 10:32 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Fw: FW: Goa - a reportagem de quem viveu na ex-colónia 
portuguesa

                      Goa - A reportagem de quem viveu na ex-colónia 
 portuguesa

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEvBXQrtr8Y

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese ruled East Africa

2012-07-18 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

A comment on this paragraph, if I may ...
 
Land was literally confiscated from land-owners and given to the tillers in 
the mid-60s, via the Tenancy Act. Wouldn't you also consider this as cruelty, 
Indian-style, towards the bhatkars, by depriving them of their property? Is 
that land given to the tiller being tilled at all today?



From: manuel tavares duk...@bell.net
To: J. Colaco  jc cola...@gmail.com; goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012 1:38 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Portuguese ruled East Africa

As for the Portuguese, I would mention that they were certainly
cruel. I come from the Village of Cuncolim, whose history is well known. Our
ancestors were deprived of our property for opposing the Portuguese, which
was confiscated and given to a Portuguese Count and never returned to us
even though the Count absconded and returned to Portugal.

Re: [Goanet] Damn The Portuguese

2012-07-17 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

I couldn't have put it better.  Thanks.

 From: roland.fran...@gmail.com roland.fran...@gmail.com
To: goa...@goanet.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012 5:54 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Damn The Portuguese

Very interesting to have noted JC asking Manuel Tavares in the context of the 
latter saying that the Portuguese were a dictatorial and cruel power under 
whom the Goans suffered, what would be the fate even today in Goa, part of a 
supposedly democratic country, if roles were reversed.

Good question, this.

Indian history unfortunately will record the Portuguese as damned for the 
suppression of the struggle for Goa's freedom (among other things).

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese-ruled East Africa -- another view

2012-07-17 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Ola Alfredo,
 
Allow me to reply ...
 
Dr. Salvador Figueiredo is the son of Sebastiao Figueiredo  (Limu), and nephew 
of Maestro Antonio de Figueiredo. Hope that classifes him as a Lotlecar, though 
his father settled in Margao. 
 
Cheers,
 
Gabriel.



 From: Alfred de Tavares alfredtava...@hotmail.com
To: Bernardo Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk; GOANET Lists 
goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Portuguese-ruled East Africa -- another view
  

Caro Bernardo,

E o Dr. Salvador Figueiredo Lotlecar?

Pois, com certeza, simdo qual outro lado sera este eminente 
jurisprudente?

Vosso, Alfredo...


 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 03:08:53 +0100
 From: ole_...@yahoo.co.uk
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet] Portuguese-ruled East Africa -- another view
 
 In his unconceited post Sr. GF does not reveal the name of the chief judge 
 who is none other than Justice Salvador Figueiredo. Intresting enough the 
 judge also once challenged some upper echelons of the society for their 
 wrong doings in the place he currently resides.
  
 BC
 
 The following is a summary?of astory told to me ...
 ?
 A young public prosecutor (procurador), newly-appointed to Guin?-Bissau 
 after earning his degree in Lisbon, successfully prosecuted a white 
 Portuguese man for having kicked a local man and broken his spine. The 
 young?prosecutor was later asked why he had taken the white man to task for 
 kicking a black man, something that was apparently common in those days. He 
 replied, 'A kick on any man is deplorable; but to kick so hard as to break 
 someone's spine is murderous'. 
 ?
 This young public prosecutor later rose to be a chief judge in Macau, for 
 some 10 years before Macau was handed over to China. Now retired, he still 
 serves the Macanese people providing judicial advice as and when required, 
 mostly in defending cases (the other side of prosecution:-) ). 
 ?
 Needless to state he is Goan...
 ?
 Regards,
 ?
 Gabriel.

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese-ruled East Africa -- another view

2012-07-16 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

The following is a summary of astory told to me ...
 
A young public prosecutor (procurador), newly-appointed to Guiné-Bissau after 
earning his degree in Lisbon, successfully prosecuted a white Portuguese man 
for having kicked a local man and broken his spine. The young prosecutor was 
later asked why he had taken the white man to task for kicking a black man, 
something that was apparently common in those days. He replied, 'A kick on any 
man is deplorable; but to kick so hard as to break someone's spine is 
murderous'. 
 
This young public prosecutor later rose to be a chief judge in Macau, for some 
10 years before Macau was handed over to China. Now retired, he still serves 
the Macanese people providing judicial advice as and when required, mostly in 
defending cases (the other side of prosecution:-) ). 
 
Needless to state he is Goan...
 
Regards,
 
Gabriel.



 From: manuel tavares duk...@bell.net
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Monday, 16 July 2012 12:07 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Portuguese-ruled East Africa -- another view
  
Venantius and Roland have given us fairly reasoned accounts of Goans in the 
Colonial era in Africa mainly East Africa (Both Portuguese and British).
It would be pertinent to mention that Goans were respected and liked, more, by 
the African than other Members of the Indian communities. Perhaps being 
subjects of a cruel and intolerant Portuguese ruler, made us more sympathetic 
to African aspirations. It is therefore not lost that people like the Late Pio 
De Gama Pinto was a stalwart in fighting for African Aspiration. And the 
African response to his contribution was to assassinate him. This is what one 
gets in return. There are other Goans as well who sacrificed and contributed 
to the emancipation and eventual independence of Africa like J.M. Nazareth, 
and 'Gandhi' Pereira and many others. To say that the African was ungrateful 
for such stellar contributions would be an understatement.

Many Goans employed Africans as servants and most treated them well paying 
them at least the Minimum Wage (Kanuni ya sirikali). Other Indian communities 
almost always tried to circumvent the minimum wage and treated the African 
poorly. This treatment came at a price to Goans who could not be distinguished 
from other Indians due to the similar colour of our skins. We were therefore 
labeled with all the rest as 'Muindi'  (Indian). Therefore when retribution 
came, we lost mainly due to skin colour similarities. Having worked in the 
civil service in Africa, and dealing with many Africans of various tribes, I 
can truly say that we treated the African fairly and administered our duties 
to the best of our ability. To say we were lackeys is far from the truth as we 
sometimes had to look danger in the eye and do the right thing as true human 
beings. To say that Goans were fair, one has only to see why the corruption in 
Africa is so rampant. It is the Indian who
 introduced it there and perpetuated its existence. Goan people who worked 
disbursing amounts to Africans in remote areas were honest and god fearing. 
Some Indians doing the same jobs often cheated the illiterate African and some 
of them even took bribes to perform tasks such as replacements of lost ID's 
(Kipande) etc. May be others have opinions on this and I leave it up to them.


Manuel ( Eddie) Tavares

Re: [Goanet] Recent writings on Goanet.

2012-07-08 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Alladin lamps are ery much available in NSW - Australia. Don#39;t have the URL 
but google will help.

Sent from my Ipad at Changi Airport enrouteto Melbourne.

Re: [Goanet] RTI REVEALS PANDURANG NADKARNI HAD FAILED SSC IN 1970 AND WAS ALSO REJECTED FOR POST OF DIRECTOR OF EDUCATION IN 1995

2012-06-22 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

If such are the heads of departments, no wonder Goa (and India) is siding 
into disrepute and corruption. Don't these idiots have scruples?

From: Aires Rodrigues airesrodrigu...@gmail.com
To: goanet goa...@goanet.org 
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 8:54 PM
Subject: [Goanet] RTI REVEALS PANDURANG NADKARNI HAD FAILED SSC IN 1970 AND 
WAS ALSO REJECTED FOR POST OF DIRECTOR OF EDUCATION IN 1995

Educationist Pandurang Nadkarni who has been recommended by the Goa
Government for the post of State Information Commissioner had failed the
SSC exam in 1970 while a student of A..J. de Almeida School at Ponda.  This
has been revealed from documents obtained from the Personnel department at
the Secretariat under the Right to Information Act. These documents had
been submitted by Mr. Nadkarni while applying for the post of Director of
Education in 1994. Mr. Pandurang Nadkarni failed SSC in April 1970 and
cleared it in October that year in pass class at the age of 18. Ironically
Mr. Manohar Parrikar while Chief Minister in 2001 had appointed Mr.
Pandurang Nadkarni as Chairman of Goa SSC Board. As per the documents now
obtained Mr. Nadkarni passed his BA in pass class and MA in second class
both by correspondence from Shivaji University, Kolhapur

Re: [Goanet] Dabolim ani sorro .....ani magir ....?

2012-06-22 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

No wonder Anjediva is also considered as booty by the Navy. Thank goodness Gov 
Sachdev stopped Murmugao port being part of that booty. 

From: J. Colaco  jc cola...@gmail.com
To: goa...@goanet.org 
Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 7:27 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Dabolim ani sorro .ani magir ?

Posted without commentary

Res Ipsa Loquitor

jc

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1961Goa/1050-Raghavendran.html

The greatest beneficiary in the liberation of Goa was the Indian Navy.
They didn't fire a single shot. The Portuguese admiral surrendered
with all his ships in the port, including the Albuquerque, the flag
ship of the Portuguese navy, with its unbelievable stock of liquor!!

Under an archaic law, all the captured vessels were the 'War Booty' of
the Navy and they were allowed to sell them and keep the proceeds,
which they did. The money would go to the equivalent of the
'Regimental Funds' of the Army and totally controlled by the Naval HQ
with no interference by the Govt.

The Army and Air Force didn't even know anything about it till about
1980-81 when the information leaked out and the other services claimed
a share. As a measure to buy peace the Navy dished out a very small
portion of the 'Booty' to the other services then!!

In addition the Dabolim airport was up for grabs and it was offered to
the Air Force automatically but they didn't need a base in the area as
they already had Poona and there was no operational need for a base
involving considerable outlay. Then the Navy stepped in and the rest
is history.

In '62, I was selected along with two other QFIs to go on deputation
to Iraq but just as we had disposed of all our belongings and were
ready to go, the Chinese attacked us and my mission went Kaput. That
story is in another chapter.

Re: [Goanet] The Caste Hangover.

2012-06-18 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

I second that.

From: Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com
To: Goa's Premiere Mailing List, Estd 1994 goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 2:36 AM
Subject: [Goanet] The Caste Hangover.

Let us strive for a united Goan community. I know it is a damned sight easy
to type this. But achieving it is going to be an uphill task.

Viva Goa and viva casteless Goemkar!

-- 

** Tony de Sa  tonydesa at gmail dot com  **

Re: [Goanet] The Torture of Arun Ferreira

2012-06-18 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Even though the law proclaims that an accused person is innocent until proved 
guilty, such niceties lack meaning behind prison walls. The allegations of the 
police are sufficient evidence for the jail authorities to punish even those 
awaiting trial. - Arun Ferreira

Not much seems to have changed with independence.  And time and again, I have 
been told this was only done during the colonial times - English or Portuguese. 
True colours of the deshi-type seem to be coming out now into the open. 




From: Roland Francis roland.fran...@gmail.com
To: 'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!' goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:44 AM
Subject: [Goanet] The Torture of Arun Ferreira

Arun Ferreira, a Bandra resident and 1990's alumnus of St Xavier's College
in Bombay who became a social activist, was branded a Naxalite, arrested and
tortured.

Re: [Goanet] The Torture of Arun Ferreira

2012-06-18 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Indeed.  There was a cartoon published in some newspapers of Nehru with a 
dagger named Goa into the back of a Gandhi-like man named Conscience.  

From: Roland Francis roland.fran...@gmail.com
To: 'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!' goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:44 AM
Subject: [Goanet] The Torture of Arun Ferreira

... but the first step taken by Nehru in invading
peaceful Goa by brute force has set the standard for succeeding Indian
politicians to follow in the rest of the country.

Re: [Goanet] DOES GOA NOT NEED ITS OWN HIGH COURT?

2012-06-14 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Goa used to have a High Court for at least a couple of centuries. According to 
Wikipedia, Judge José da Rocha Dantas e Mendonça, Judge of the Goa High Court, 
presided over an inquest into the Pinto conspiracy of 1787.
 
An interesting note in Tales of Old Shanghai 
(http://www.earnshaw.com/shanghai-ed-india/tales/t-all02.htm):
 Jurisdiction over Portuguese citizens in China is provided by a treaty 
concluded between China and Portugal in 1887. The laws of Portugal are applied 
in all cases and the decision is subject to appeal to the high judicial court 
in 
Goa, Portuguese India. Criminal sentences are served by exile in Portuguese 
colonies in Western Africa. These cases have to be sent to the judicial court 
at 
Macao. There is no death penalty in Portuguese law.
 
Another comment on Legal System in Goa - Vol. II: Laws and 
Legal Trends (1510-1969) by Dr. Carmo D’Souza:
A full chapter is dedicated to the High Court for the State of India as it 
existed from 1510-1800. It deals with the institution of High Court with the 
Regiment of 1544, its constitution, functioning, and other matters. The High 
Court in those days administered justice to all the Portuguese possessions from 
Cape of Good Hope to China Seas.

Finally, coming to the banned book Nehru Seizes Goa, pg 200:
The Presidente da Relação, Dr. Ismael Gracias, doyen of the Portuguese Indian 
judicial cadre, fared little better (than Dr. Militão Quadros, the Public 
Prosecutor who was paraded amidst a mob, taken into custody by the Indian 
Military then released, reinstated then resigned). He too had to follow suit 
and abandon the High Court to its inevitable fate It was vaguely hinted 
that Portuguese India did not have a High Court, which was accordingly to be 
abolished as a luxury, Goa would be subordinated to the District Court of 
Ratnagiri and placed under the High Court of Bombay, a prospect that could be 
scarcely be deemed to be flattering to a people who had produced a galaxy of 
judges and other law officers in Goa as well as in Portugal... and had 
themselves gone down in social history of mankind as the most law-abiding in 
the world.  

Gabriel.



 From: Aires Rodrigues airesrodrigu...@gmail.com
To: goanet goa...@goanet.org 
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012 10:36 AM
Subject: [Goanet] DOES GOA NOT NEED ITS OWN HIGH COURT?
  
Besides being a very small State and for other logistical reasons it may
not be desirable for Goa to have its own High Court. Sikkim also a small
state, in different circumstances has its own High Court since 1975 but all
other small states Arunachal Pradesh, Manipur, Meghalaya, Nagaland,
Tripura, and Mizoram have benches of the Gauhati High Court.

Re: [Goanet] India’s slowdown

As far as I'm concerned, there never was an Incredible India in the true sense 
of the word.  What is incredible, though, is that people continue to live in 
the chaos that is India. It appears that few aspire to improve their lot - 
ideas seem to get stymied at the start, either due to the incredible red tape, 
or the grease that is required to get the wheels moving.  Result: Why bother? 
It is only when such budding entrepreneurs move out of India that they really 
shine. 
 
Then you have the immense distrust of the fellow human being in India. Why is 
this, I don't know. Maybe Indians are born with it. Goans were trusting of one 
another at one time, a trait that has quite disappeared today. 
 
In any case, the recent boom was because of technology that was really run 
by Western interests. These interests are now looking after their own backsides 
due to the GFC, and the first to suffer are the overseas contractors. 
 
Indians are, by education, theorists, as very little technical and practical 
education seems to be imparted. Unless the education authorities introduce a 
year of practical work in the industry in the line of their University study, 
the engineers that these seats of learning are churning out will only be 
pen-pushers and get others least qualified to get the job done. As an example, 
solar-powered street lights with over-hanging tree-branches, as installed at 
Manipal Hospital - how these lamps will function only the engineer will know. 
Another example are the concrete blocks placed on top of storm-water drains, 
placed proud of the road. How the rain-water will rise up these blocks and get 
into the holes thence to the drain I don't know - capillary action perhaps? 
:-)  I have noticed that very few places have these blocks placed at the 
sensible level, which means that someone did take the precaution of taking the 
height of the blocks into
 consideration when the drains were built.
 
Gabriel. 
 



From: Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Friday, 8 June 2012 6:49 PM
Subject: [Goanet] India’s slowdown

Farewell to Incredible India Bereft of leaders, an Asian giant is destined
for a period of lower growth. The human cost will be immense

Re: [Goanet] Moti Dongor demolitions

Shouldn#39;t that have been Monte Dongor?

Re: [Goanet] Pasteis de Nata

I#39;d like to add, a chinese kiosk at Box Hill#39;s Centro shopping centre 
sells, what they call, Portuguese Tarts. I haven#39;t tasted them yet, but 
will one of these days.

PS. Well most shops and kiosks are Chinese in this part of Box Hill, even 
street signs and notices have, what I think, Cantonese script running alongside 
the English ones. Just a tuppence worth o#39; information :-)

Re: [Goanet] Fw: The US poll battle:

Once can already see the effects of penny-pinching, by Microsoft at least. 
Since last December, all limited complimentary MSDN subscriptions given to IT 
companies (given for development / demo use) appear to have been withdrawn, and 
such companies now have to purchase their own licences. 
 
Microsoft have also appear to have started contacting each licence holder as to 
why they have not renewed their paid subscription (I had my own 2-year paid 
subscription which I allowed to lapse as I was given a company subscription 
last year). I was surprised to receive a call from the Singapore distribution 
center asking me reasons for not renewing. I wonder if this is a first inkling 
that Microsoft is in difficulties. 



From: Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fw: The US poll battle:

The basis of capitalism is the efficient use of land, labour and capital. 
A capitalist is forced to set up operations where the above is the cheapest. 
Either that or die.

Re: [Goanet] Lord Stow's Bakery Macao - YouTube

2012-06-11 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Don't know what's got into you, Selma, but they still make Pasteis de Nata in 
Portugal. Just google for it, if you have the time. And no, I don't think they 
spoke about it in Fontainhas either. 

From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012 3:59 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Lord Stow's Bakery Macao - YouTube

Who cares about pasteis de nata. I'm sure they don't even make them in 
Portugal any more. We can't forever be stuck in 1952 when they spoke 
Portuguese de cuisine in the narrow alleyways of Fontainhas in the mistaken 
belief that they lived on the southern tip of Portugal.

best,
selma

Re: [Goanet] Hind-Christian dialogue (was: Sanal Edamaruku trial)

2012-06-09 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Hi Marlon,

I was speaking out of practical experience. When I was approached by the 
Geelong Revival Group, which has a presence in Goa, as I understand, I was told 
that I would be cured of my skin ailment, psoriasis. In course of conversation 
with the people, they called the Pope names and said a lot about what they 
thought of the Catholics. This, of course made me think twice. 

Equally so, there are papers and editorials which try to defame the Catholic 
Church both in Melbourne and elsewhere in the world. I could say a lot about 
the good works performed here and elsewhere, but then again I would again be 
accused of superiority.

These statements of mine in no way claim any superiority of the Catholics 
over other Christians, or indeed, believers of other religions.  The statements 
were made because many people equate Protestants and other Christian cults with 
Catholics, and then accuse the Pope and Catholics for the behaviour of the 
aggressive Christian groups. One such instance was burning the Church of St 
John the Baptist (Catholic) some years ago, mistaking it for a Baptist 
(Protestant) church.

Regards,

Gabriel

Re: [Goanet] Hind-Christian dialogue (was: Sanal Edamaruku trial)

2012-06-08 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Marlon,
 
I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that I had elevated Catholics 
over other trouble making christian groups. 
 
Gabriel.
 



From: marlon menezes goa...@yahoo.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Friday, 8 June 2012 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Hind-Christian dialogue (was: Sanal Edamaruku trial)

3) Note that the original poster (Gabriel) elevated Catholics over other 
trouble making christian groups. It is a very common attitude shared by many 
intolerant persons of any faith viz people of other faiths.




Marlon Meneses wrote: We catholics have our priorities right. We know that
Protestants and other Christians have half a chance of attaining salvation.
Cannot say the same about the non-christian heathens and migrants though!

From: U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com  

If Marlon was not saying the above in jest, then I would like ask him  if he
thinks that souls like that of Mahatma Gandhi are in
hell.

Re: [Goanet] NEWS: Restored at 3.5 crore, Reis Magos fort opens

2012-06-06 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Yes, I've noticed that since 1962. 

From: Goanet News news.goa...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2012 9:53 AM
Subject: [Goanet] NEWS: Restored at 3.5 crore, Reis Magos fort opens

 The government is good at building, not
maintaining, Parrikar acknowledged

Re: [Goanet] Hind-Christian dialogue (was: Sanal Edamaruku trial)

2012-06-06 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Thoroughly agree with your statements.

Indeed, no point in talking about salvation without taking the time and effort 
to look after the fellow travellers in this world of ours, and practicing 
restraint.  

From: Venantius J Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Hind-Christian dialogue (was: Sanal Edamaruku trial)

But really, those interested in salvation at least of the Christian kind --
will LIVE a certain way. They will live a Christ-centered life, or do their
best to do so. Basically no point in even talking about salvation. In an
odd roundabout way many Hindus are expecting more from the Christian -- to
live that Christ-like life, and they will remind you if you show lack. Most
of us are lacking.. So all the turning the other cheek, and jowl stuff
comes into play here.

Re: [Goanet] Pipe organs... in Goa?

2012-06-05 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Haven't been to Mapuça Church - but is the violinist that bad? :-) 

From: floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Monday, 4 June 2012 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Pipe organs... in Goa?

PS: At times when one hears the sound of the Violin dominating the techno 
'beat' of the keyboard (such as in the Mapusa Church) one is reduced to 
weeping.
:-)

Re: [Goanet] Hind-Christian dialogue (was: Sanal Edamaruku trial)

2012-06-03 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

AFAIK, there has been no attempt by any Roman Catholic Church missionary to 
make a statement that converting to Catholicism would cure them of diseases and 
ailments. I also understand that this claim (of a cure) is made by certain 
cults purporting to be Christian. Although the Pope has full responsibility for 
the Roman Catholic Church, he is not responsible for the behaviour of the 
missionaries of the protestant churches and cults. Protestants often spread 
misinformation about the Catholic Church, as can be seen now and then on this 
forum. 
 
Gabriel.



From: U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Sunday, 3 June 2012 10:16 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Hind-Christian dialogue (was: Sanal Edamaruku trial)


8.      We are aware of the propaganda that they [the church] will cure
diseases and ailments if the individual converts to their faith. This is
illegal as per the DRUGS AND MAGIC REMEDIES ACT 1954 and we call upon the
Indian government to take action under the provision of law.

Re: [Goanet] Old compositions Prof. Noel Flores

2012-06-02 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Caro BC,
 
A música estava disponível no site do Armando Gonsalves por algum tempo, anos 
atrás.  Talvez o Armando retirou-os devido ao espaço disponível para ele para 
submeter outros programas / fotografías mais recentes.  

Perhaps would you like me to send you a set? 

Cheers,
 
Gabriel.



 From: Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Friday, 1 June 2012 5:12 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Old compositions Prof. Noel Flores
  
Sr. Gabriel,
 
Sera que nao nada para gente?
 
BC
 
 

Hi Sergio,
?
I have sent you 4 sets of zipped mp3 files to your email address.?
?
I hope you enjoy listening to them as much as I have. Yes they include a 
couple of his compositions.? Having said that,?all tracks have unique Noel 
intoductions. 
?
Please advise me when you have downloaded them.? Thanks.
?
Regards from Melbourne,
?
Gabriel

Re: [Goanet] Goa Bandh - Shame on BJP

2012-06-02 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Is this the shape of things to come? The proverbial tip of the iceberg?

 From: JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk
To: goa...@goanet.org goa...@goanet.org 
Sent: Friday, 1 June 2012 11:50 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Goa Bandh - Shame on BJP

Goa Bandh - Shame on BJP

And I really thought the Goa Bandh Or Panjim Bandh was
voluntarily.
However, I did have some doubts when I saw the Panjim
Municipal Market was padlocked from both sides (normally, gates stay open
during bandh)

Will Parrikar take action on his own supporters including
CCP Councillors as seen in this video footage?

Or else, I will say Parrikar is no man of his word.

Shame! Shame! 

Check this footage from Navhind Times
http://youtu.be/b1ehwKs8uL0

I think the lady in the video is Magsons proprietor
trying to put in sense with the rowdy BJP activists who are arguing with her.
Is this the way a woman treated in Goa under BJP Rule? 

I have also changed the description of my own video
footage as Nationwide Bandh sponsored and forced upon
the people by BJP in GOA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQMFkCXb4bk

Pl note, it’s was not 12 hours bandh as stated but 24hrs
band as buses stay off the road the whole day and night so did the shops except
some bars and petrol pumps which opened at 6pm.  

‘Bandh’ should be banned in India, it’s unethical often
supported and promoted by vested interests.
They win we lose.

joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

for Goa  NRI related info... 
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/

For Goan Video Clips 
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

In Goa, Dial  1 0 8 
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc

Re: [Goanet] Goa... and inland waterways

2012-05-31 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Hi Sergio,
 
I have sent you 4 sets of zipped mp3 files to your email address. 
 
I hope you enjoy listening to them as much as I have. Yes they include a couple 
of his compositions.  Having said that, all tracks have unique Noel 
intoductions. 
 
Please advise me when you have downloaded them.  Thanks.
 
Regards from Melbourne,
 
Gabriel



From: Professor Noel Flores noelflo...@chello.at
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2012 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa... and inland waterways

Dear Gabriel !



This is Sergio Flores, son of the late Prof. Noel Flores reaching out to
you.

I am desperately searching for any old audio-material from my father and
stumbled upon a Goanet message, stating that you had some CDs with him
performing mandos on the piano. Would this also include his own compositions
by any chance ?

Even if this is not the case, is there any chance you could provide me with
a copy ? This would mean a lot to me.

Kind regards from Vienna,



Sergio

Re: [Goanet] rent a womb

What is wrong with adopting an orphan or two?  People seem to be spending money 
on artificial methods unnecessarily. Just my thoughts.

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Re: [Goanet] Lisbon Tram Ride (Part 1) - YouTube

Isn't that a British newspaper?  Besides, isn't gmail a Google product, and 
your mail is preserved somewhere even if deleted?

There was a case in one of the Scandinavian countries wherein an individual 
took Google to task for having inadvertently taken a picture of him relieveing 
himself in the backyard :-)
 
Yes, there are those cases. 
 
Then again, there is an offshoot of this technology, at www.nearmap.com. The 
clarity of the roofs needs to be seen to be believed; not only that, you can 
track how your roof / streetscape has changed over the last couple of years. At 
least that is true of major towns of Australia, and I used that site to produce 
plans for installing solar power and solar hotwater (there are tools to 
measure, but not really accurate due to the slopes of the roof). So if you want 
to check out the city of Melbourne from a low-flying plane, use this site and 
key in Melbourne, 3000. 
 
Regards,
 
Gabriel.




From: Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com
To: Victor Rangel-Ribeiro vrangel...@yahoo.com; Goa's premiere mailing 
list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Monday, 28 May 2012 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Lisbon Tram Ride (Part 1) - YouTube
 
COMMENT: Here's what one of your National Newspapers printed today...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2150606/Google-deliberately-stole-information-executives-covered-years.html

-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.

Re: [Goanet] Lisbon Tram Ride (Part 1) - YouTube

Dear Victor,
 
Thank you for insight. Given your seniority, I would think you were present at 
the time of the independence of India. What is the bone of contention between 
India and Pakistan? Why wasn't the doubt setlled there and then by a 
plebiscite which was been promised but not yet realised? So who or what caused 
the paranoia since then?
 
How come some countries are freer and more trusting than others? If you 
have the answer, then you will know why the paranoia. That goes for the 
ridiculous visa rules too which only India has, and then India cries foul when 
other countries try to play likewise. 
 
Regards,
 
Gabriel.



 From: Victor Rangel-Ribeiro vrangel...@yahoo.com
To: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au; Goa's premiere 
mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Sunday, 27 May 2012 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Lisbon Tram Ride (Part 1) - YouTube
  

Dear Gabriel,
     Unfortunately for you, but imagine how delighted certain groups from 
Pakistan would be if they could have a virtual tour of Bombay's streets, if 
they were armed to the teeth and looking for targets! What seems like paranoia 
to you might seem like plain common sense to others.
     Warm regards,
     Victor

 


 From: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Lisbon Tram Ride (Part 1) - YouTube
  
Even better, you can take a virtual tour of most streets of Lisbon (and most 
European streets) via Googlemaps :-)  
 
Unfortunately such detail is not permitted in India and other paranoid 
countries.



 From: Con Menezes cmene...@tpg.com.au
To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012 2:43 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Lisbon Tram Ride (Part 1) - YouTube
  
Enjoy sightseeing in Lisbon by tram.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgRtYYVSRRI

Re: [Goanet] Sanal Edamaruku trial