Re: [IAEP] RFC: Supporting olpc-ish Deployments - Draft 1

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

Actually the model for the website/wiki already exists. It is DART at 
the Bering Straits School District. They have married mediawiki with 
their own software to provide a killer tool. The standards, lesson 
plans, etc. are in a wiki. DART maintains a data base which allows 
teachers to see/record the status of each of their students in each area 
of each subject/strand.

Having the curriculum standards in a wiki makes it trivial for each 
deployment to set that up for their own requirements cross linked to 
anything relevant.

Tony

Berry wrote:

 From Michael's questions:

   * Is there anything we could spend our time on which would yield a
   greater
   return on investment?

The most helpful thing I can think of right now would be a
special-purpose website/wiki only for curricula. Each curriculum should
map to a course in moodle.sugarlabs.org. We need to start the process of
mapping standard curricula to the open-source resources (quizzes,
readings, activities) that are available in some sort of intelligible
order. Then an interested developer or educator could start plugging in
the holes.

Really, all is needed is some kind of special-purpose wiki mapped to
moodle. No special software. The hard and incredibly *unsexy* work is
uploading the n curricula from X states/countries and mapping it to
sequenced materials. We can talk about quality, pedagogy ad infinitum
but the vast majority of teachers don't have a starting point to even
provide mediocre education beyond what they are currently provided by
their own governments.


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[IAEP] Observations and feature requests based on watching a preK class use a computer lab

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

Check out http://voicethread.com. I think that is the next level you 
were refering to.

Tony

Caroline wrote:
 Today I visited a computer lab at a school in Boston where 3-5 year olds
 (the PreK class) were using the computers in the computer lab.
 
 The teacher tried to get them to use Kidspirations to look at and stamp bugs
 but they rebelled. All they wanted to do was use KidPix.
 
 We need a paint program that is as cool as KidPix or we will suffer the same
 fate. They will turn off Sugar and go back to Windows to use KidPix!
 
 In Kidpix the students learned that they need to use the mouse and not the
 keyboard. By the time I left all students had managed to learn to use the
 mouse to make something on the screen.  I saw some kids make the connection
 that they had done something with the mouse and it had appeared on the
 screen.  Some were painting with colors, others were stamping with images.
 Some kids had learned how to erase the screen and start over.
 
 Clearly learning was going on.  I thought to myself, what would take this
 lesson to the next level for these students.  I think, based on the
 interactions the teachers were having as they spent individual time with the
 students, that it would be valuable to these students to begin to tell
 stories about their pictures.  It would be cool if the kids could record a
 voice note when they saved a picture in the journal.  This could help the
 teachers move them towards telling stories about thier pictures. I think
 that would in turn motivate them to want to control what they did with the
 picture more.
 
 Our goal with the journal is to get kids to reflect on thier work.  For many
 of the students in the age range we serve typing that reflection is going to
 be a challenge and we might well get more thoughtful reflection if they
 could speak it.
 


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[IAEP] classroom presenter - LinuxTag

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

I am working on ClassroomPresenter. The primary goal is to make it 
possible to author slideshows on the XO. In addition, I am adding the 
capability to provide voice narration for the slides. This version will 
probably be renamed 'ShowNTell.activity' to reflect the use by students 
to make their own slideshows to share with their friends.

As far as I know, the current version of ClassroomPresenter works on the 
XO (8.2).

I expect to be at LinuxTag.

Tony

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Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:36:17 +0200
From: Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [IAEP] classroom presenter,iTalc for sugar (possible
ports for   LinuxTag Berlin showoff)
To: David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com
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On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 08:17, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com 
wrote:
   Hi,
   ?? At LinuxTag Berlin, there are 3 areas that are of particular 
interest to
   me, and might be considered novelties in the way sugar can/will be 
presented
   there. From one side, I will be representing sugar packaging on the 
openSUSE
   platform, and being part of the opensuse-edu team, we will show off 
not only
   the live suse sugar cd/usb stick, but also the tight integration 
(including
   desktop launch icon) of sugar within the openSUSE 11.1 educational 
spin.
   Since kiwi-ltsp (A mature variant of LTSP 5) is quite integrated in the
   educational desktop, as is ejabberd, we will show off LTSP 
sugarised, with
   the approximately 50 sugar activities that have been packaged for 
openSUSE.
   Within the LTSP framework, we often use an application called 
iTalc, which
   allows for the remote administration (vnc on steroids) of desktop 
sessions,
   locking of sessions, passing around of sessions (for the classroom
   environment) as well as, intra station messaging (in case a particular
   station needs administrative help/training/support.) Right now, it runs
   great on the administrator machine, which doesn't need to and won't run
   Sugar. Basically from this view one can see screenshots of each 
desktop and
   by clicking on the desktop in question, one takes over or shares that
   session with that particular sugar user. There is more explanation and
   screenshots here: http://italc.sourceforge.net/
   On the client side, it would be nice for someone to study how hard 
it would
   be to port to sugar. Its not massively important since it runs from 
gnome,
   but for scenarios where sugar is the only Desktop Environment, it 
would be
   nice to have this kind of controlling mechanism for the 
teacher/admin. For
   example, the teacher could collaboratively work on one session 
connected to
   a projector, and pass that session on friom student to student, 
with each of
   them carrying out some task. I have seen it used this way under 
Gnome with
   great success, and as Sugar is collaborative by nature, it seems like a
   perfect fit. So any sugar porting takers?
  
   On another note, I have successfully tested the home made 
whiteboard option
   using a wiimote and infra red pens. This approach allows for the 
building of
   an interactive whiteboard for under 50 euros. Unfortunately, the best
   software to use for something like this is classroom presenter, 
originally
   windows software allowing one to open a powerpoint/impress 
presenation and
   then draw upon that using the infra red pen. Classroom presenter 
was ported
   to sugar at one point. 
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Classroom_Presenter , but
   I'm not sure about its current status, only that it doesn't 
currently work.
   Again, it would be nice to fix this activity so we can show it off at
   LinuxTag and show people how to create a cheap sugarised interactive
   whiteboard for under 50 euros. If someone is interested in getting this
   activity working again for Sugar, that would be great.

Maybe the activity team needs to adopt Classroom presenter? Or we
could reactivate its original developers?

Regards,

Tomeu

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[IAEP] LinuxTag

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

I am in Berlin and will be through June 28. I plan to attend LinuxTag. 
If there is anything I can do to help, please let me know.

Yours,

Tony
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Re: [IAEP] LinuxTag

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

I have added my name. I should be available in the booth as needed, 
although my knowledge of German is minimal. I will try to be there on 
Tuesday to help with booth setup.

Tony


Simon Schampijer wrote:
 On 06/21/2009 06:34 PM, Tony Anderson wrote:
 Hi,

 I am in Berlin and will be through June 28. I plan to attend LinuxTag.
 If there is anything I can do to help, please let me know.

 Yours,

 Tony

 Hi Tony,

 that is awesome. Best is to get your name on: 
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Events/LinuxTag2009

 Help at the booth would be welcome for example:
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Events/LinuxTag2009#Sugar_Booth 


 Thanks,
Simon

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[IAEP] [Fwd: activities]

[Tony Anderson]

Wade,

I have finally posted the ShowNTell activity to ASLO. I hope to post the 
Quiz activity tomorrow. The BotSpeak activity appears to be redundant.

The ShowNTell activity needs a help button to show how the activity 
works. It also needs lots of testing on collaboration. In the meantime,
I hope to get some feedback.

The Quiz activity in the second version will add the capability to 
create a quiz on the XO and to collaborate. Collaboration should be on
the same model as ShowNTell (ClassroomPresenter).

I tested both activities on SoaS at LinuxTag. In both cases there are 
coding changes needed. Is there an approved way for an activity to test 
whether it is on the XO (0.82) or SoaS? The currently posted versions 
will only work on 0.82.

Please let me know if there is more that I can do to make a proper release.

Tony

 Original Message 
Subject: activities
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 10:42:20 +0545
From: Tony Anderson tony_ander...@usa.net
To: Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com

Wade,

I have been working on some activities which are nearly ready to post.
Each of them is a significant change to an existing activity. The
question is whether to treat the new versions as a different activity or
  a later version of the original.

The first is BotSpeak.activity. This activity adds the pyaiml engine so
that the 'speak' character can do more than echo the input. It's default
mode is compatible with speak but there is an added tab to select a bot.

It could be released as BotSpeak.activity or as an upgrade to the Speak
activity. I lean to introducing it as a new activity - BotSpeak.

The second is ClassroomPresenter. I have added the capability to create
slide decks on the XO and the ability to add voice narration to the
slides. This activity is an XO version of an ongoing project at
Washington State. While there does not appear to be any ongoing support
of the XO, this should probably be introduced as a new activity with
deserved credit going to the team at Washington State. For a new name, I
would propose ShowNTell.activity. This gets a little closer to the
overall goal - which is to allow the student to create and narrate a
slideshow of their own pictures.

The third is ImageQuiz. I have added the capability to show other types
of questions (e.g. simple flashcards, spelling test (voice clip prompt,
text response, ...). It will also have the Leitner feature (questions
answered correctly will be shown less often). Finally, it adds the
ability to edit or create quizzes on the XO and collaboration based on
the ClassroomPresenter model. Support for this activity appears dormant,
so I think this activity can be released as a version upgrade.

Please let me know what you think about this. Also, do we have someone
who reviews these activities to ensure that the i's are dotted and t's
crossed when it comes to licensing? I really have very little
understandng of these issues.

Tony


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[IAEP] activities

[Tony Anderson]

Wade,

I posted the Quiz activity today. The git does not match exactly - I had 
trouble  with push. I am looking forward to hearing from the team on the 
next steps in the release process. In the meantime, I am beginning to 
work on version 2.

Yours,

Tony


 Original Message 
Subject: [Fwd: activities]
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:46:27 +0200
From: Tony Anderson tony_ander...@usa.net
To: Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com,  Simon Schampijer 
si...@schampijer.de, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org, iaep 
iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org

Wade,

I have finally posted the ShowNTell activity to ASLO. I hope to post the
Quiz activity tomorrow. The BotSpeak activity appears to be redundant.

The ShowNTell activity needs a help button to show how the activity
works. It also needs lots of testing on collaboration. In the meantime,
I hope to get some feedback.

The Quiz activity in the second version will add the capability to
create a quiz on the XO and to collaborate. Collaboration should be on
the same model as ShowNTell (ClassroomPresenter).

I tested both activities on SoaS at LinuxTag. In both cases there are
coding changes needed. Is there an approved way for an activity to test
whether it is on the XO (0.82) or SoaS? The currently posted versions
will only work on 0.82.

Please let me know if there is more that I can do to make a proper release.

Tony

 Original Message 
Subject: activities
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 10:42:20 +0545
From: Tony Anderson tony_ander...@usa.net
To: Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com

Wade,

I have been working on some activities which are nearly ready to post.
Each of them is a significant change to an existing activity. The
question is whether to treat the new versions as a different activity or
  a later version of the original.

The first is BotSpeak.activity. This activity adds the pyaiml engine so
that the 'speak' character can do more than echo the input. It's default
mode is compatible with speak but there is an added tab to select a bot.

It could be released as BotSpeak.activity or as an upgrade to the Speak
activity. I lean to introducing it as a new activity - BotSpeak.

The second is ClassroomPresenter. I have added the capability to create
slide decks on the XO and the ability to add voice narration to the
slides. This activity is an XO version of an ongoing project at
Washington State. While there does not appear to be any ongoing support
of the XO, this should probably be introduced as a new activity with
deserved credit going to the team at Washington State. For a new name, I
would propose ShowNTell.activity. This gets a little closer to the
overall goal - which is to allow the student to create and narrate a
slideshow of their own pictures.

The third is ImageQuiz. I have added the capability to show other types
of questions (e.g. simple flashcards, spelling test (voice clip prompt,
text response, ...). It will also have the Leitner feature (questions
answered correctly will be shown less often). Finally, it adds the
ability to edit or create quizzes on the XO and collaboration based on
the ClassroomPresenter model. Support for this activity appears dormant,
so I think this activity can be released as a version upgrade.

Please let me know what you think about this. Also, do we have someone
who reviews these activities to ensure that the i's are dotted and t's
crossed when it comes to licensing? I really have very little
understandng of these issues.

Tony



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Re: [IAEP] Pathagar library

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

 I am trying to install pathagar on my schoolserver (having a little 
trouble configuring httpd correctly). I hope to start with a 
representative sample of the English items in Pustakalaya 
(www.pustakalaya.org).


I believe the library needs to handle not only e-books but also media 
(images, video, audio). I am planning to use a web interface (Firefox).
Hopefully, each item will be identified with a mime-type. The mime-type 
can then be used to download the item to the Journal and to launch the 
appropriate activity (Read, Read Etexts, Jukebox, ImageViewer). The item 
needs to be downloaded so that the child can access it at home away from 
the schoolserver.


One of the problems with Pustakalaya is that the Nepali and English 
items and descriptions are intermixed in a way that would be difficult 
to separate. In Nepal, content in English, Nepali, and other Nepali 
languages is appropriate. In Rwanda, the collections are likely to be 
English and Kinyarwanda (with possible addition of French and Swahili).
In Haiti, it is more likely to be French, Haitian Creole, English and 
Spanish. Django should make it easy to prepare a script which will 
create a copy of the library which contains only items in selected 
languages. I also like the interface on International Children's Digital 
Library (ICDL) - especially the Basic Search. It is iconic and so less 
dependent on translation.


Yours,

Tony


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Re: [IAEP] Etoys Videos for Khan Academy

[TONY ANDERSON]

I think the Khan Academy environment needs to be rehosted on a school server.
In many deployments, schools do not have consistent broadband access to the
internet. The school server provides the main storage via a 3.5 hard drive
while the XO storage (1GB) can be thought of as a cached with the material
currently being used by the student.

I would be very interested in seeing the exercises and profile aspects of the
Khan Academy rehosted to the school server. So far the downloads that I have
are limited to the videos - do you know of any way to download the rest of the
site?

You suggest that you have an alternate way to provide these exercises. I would
certainly be interested in technical details (as an example I tried to
generate addition problems involving operands of four digits or less (based on
curriculum requirements, don't ask about the mathematical foundation). I
discovered that random about 90% of random four digit numbers have four
digits!

The Siyavula materials (http://cnx.org/lenses/siyavula) are available under
Creative Commons and give a representative example of textbook/workbooks that
could be remapped to the XO. It is interesting that these textbooks (and many
others) are very week in introducing concepts - they give no motivation,
provide a couple of worked examples, and many exercises. The motivation and
introduction are left to the classroom teacher. This is where the Khan Academy
videos fill a real need.

Tony

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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 44, Issue 25

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

I have decided to return to Rwanda (I already had the return side of my 
ticket paid). A group in Stuttgart has provided 100 XO-1.5s to the St. 
Jacob's school in Kigali. As a private school, they are not as directly 
bound to Mineduc.


I was pleased to see a strong interest in the educational issues you 
mention here - the first time at a Sugar/OLPC meeting. The immediate 
focus is on establishing an online repository for the lesson plans and 
content bundles that have already been created.


I spend three weeks in Haiti with Adam Holt, Nick Doiron and George Hunt 
at École Shalom. We tried the schoolserver and Learn activity as ways to 
deliver lessons requested by the teachers. While the results were 
encouraging, they proved we are a long way from a production capability 
to deliver courseware.


Christoph Derndorfer is coordinating the effort and I'll see that you 
are included in the emails.


Tony

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Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:35:14 -0600
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To: Peter Robinsonpbrobin...@gmail.com, IAEP SugarLabs
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On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Peter Robinsonpbrobin...@gmail.comwrote:


What's a minimal vdi?



vdi stand for virtual disk image, is the file format of Virtualbox used to
handle virtual machines.
vdi are easy to deply since you just need  Virtualbox (on Linux, win or
osx), load the vm and u running an OS with Sugar.
vdi usually are large (around 3GB or more), but a minimal OS like sugar
could well be under 1GB if it's really tailored to.
I would love to see a bootstrap version of sugar on a vdi.





On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Alexandro Coloradoj...@openoffice.org
wrote:

is it possible to distribute minimal vdi?
small 700mb vd small homee space (user can generate extra virtual disk
for storage).
i am always impress how small solid state disk can pack so much with
so little. i wish a vm like that.

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Hi All,

So there's no rest for the wicked its time to think about what you
would like to develop for SoaS v7. I know upstream is all very busy
already the sugar team are full pelt into the conversion of sugar
to gtk3 and PyGI and there's all sorts of fun stuff going into
Fedora... so what do you want?

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[IAEP] Learn activity

[Tony Anderson]

Hello,

Today, Version 51 of the Learn activity has been posted to 
Activities.Sugarlabs.org. This version is intended for use

by deployments to evaluate its usefulness in their context.

It has a separate (45mb) file of content which can be downloaded
from the website. The website also has installation instructions.
It is recommended to use this version of Learn with Sugar 0.84 or
later. This activity is only supported on an XO. Currently it does
not work on SOAS, for example.

The sample content includes two milestones each for English, 
Mathematics, and Science developed and used by the teachers at École 
Saint Jacobs in Kigali, Rwanda. A button on the home page allows users
to experience the activity with staff priviliges and as a student in P4, 
P5 and P6. There is also a 'Laboratory' subject where teachers can

prepare milestones and lessons for the coming term. The Laboratory also
support French to enable the French teacher also to create course materials.

The Explore subject is intended to provide extra-curricular courses 
which students can study to earn badges. At present it contains examples 
of various types of lessons including a Khan Academy video and 
associated exercises as well as a story (with audio) from the British 
Council. Learn is capable of launching Sugar activities. The examples
in ms02 require that ShowNTell, Quiz, Memorize, Turtle Art, and the 
Jukebox activity be installed. (Jukebox is used to play the Khan video).
If the activity launched by a Learn activity is not installed, it throws 
an exception.


Explore also contains some mini-courses on the XO and Learn. These
are examples of what is possible. The actual content in most cases is 
out-of-date.


Please feel free to comment on your experience with Learn here or by 
direct email.


Tony
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Re: [IAEP] Learn activity

[Tony Anderson]

 not work. The activity 
itself fails to start and show anything useful. It appears to only launch the 
web server and Firefox. In a separate window. Not fullscreen. Firefox shows 
only a directory listing, not the lessons. Quitting Firefox leaves the web 
server running.
If we can surmount the install problems, it should show the main screen 
seen in the screen shot on the website.


So how is this supposed to work? Don't give me scripts, but explain, please. I 
jumped through all these hoops because I really wanted to see it working.

- Bert -

On 2012-06-19, at 16:36, Tony Anderson wrote:


Hi,

Thanks for pointing this out. We always seem to miss the obvious in 
documentation.

The website I am referring to is the one linked from activity page on ASLO.

This version uses a usb drive to stand in for the school server. The first time 
Learn is launched it must be connected to the school server to download the 
initial content. If not, the user gets a message saying it must be connected to 
the school server. Apparently, this isn't handled correctly when starting 
without the usb drive (or a school server).

The webpage linked from the activity screen gives information on how to set up 
the usb drive. Since Learn wraps Firefox, it needs to be installed. On recent 
builds with Gnome desktop, Firefox is installed, but Learn works better with 
versions from 4 up and so needs to be reinstalled. The web page provides 
scripts to handle all of this, hopefully, for non-developers.

Please let me know if you encounter other issues.

Thanks,

Tony

On 06/19/2012 03:34 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

On 2012-06-18, at 17:00, Tony Anderson wrote:


Hello,

Today, Version 51 of the Learn activity has been posted to 
Activities.Sugarlabs.org. This version is intended for use
by deployments to evaluate its usefulness in their context.

It has a separate (45mb) file of content which can be downloaded
from the website. The website also has installation instructions.


Which website?

When I run this on an XO-1.5 @ 885, it opens a Firefox window (not full-screen) with an 
error message (connection error, laptop not registered) and a blank icon in 
the frame. Additionally, there is the Learn icon in the frame, but clicking it says the 
activity could not be started.

- Bert -


.





.



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Re: [IAEP] FW: Learn activity

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

Bert has found some snafus in my documentation which I hope we can get 
straightened out.


Actually, this version of Learn will work as well with an SD card since
they appear the same to the software.

Keep in mind, that a deployment of Learn will need a school server, at 
least in the developing world. In the US many students have a computer 
lab at school and their own computer at home. However, this is not the 
case in Rwanda.


Learn is designed to download lessons from the school server that 
students can work on at home (and upload the results when they connect 
again). The USB key is to allow people to test it without having to set 
up a school server.


Tony

On 06/19/2012 08:25 PM, Caryl Bigenho wrote:

Oops... hit the wrong button! I'll finish it below

I think there is way to set up an SD card to be used at runtime by
pointing to it in the Journal where items appear as if they were
actually on the XO. This should also work with an usb drive. I was
walked through the procedure by Scott Dowdle of Montana State
University. It didn't stick with me... he's a great teacher, but I'm a
so-so student. I'll cc this note to him. Maybe he can jump in with some
ideas for you.

Caryl

P.S. Scott... I still could like to learn how to do this!

  From: b...@freudenbergs.de
  Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:51:47 +0200
  To: tony_ander...@usa.net
  CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
  Subject: Re: [IAEP] Learn activity
 
  So you're talking about this page:
 
  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Learn
 
  I indeed encountered other issues.
 
  You should warn people that your scripts not only install firefox in
/opt, but also modify /usr/lib/python2.7/SimpleHTTPServer.py and
/usr/bin/sugar-launch.
 
  You should not tell people that the USB drive replaces the
schoolserver because the USB is not used at all at runtime. It's simply
one way of installing your stuff.
 
  Your setup instructions on the website do not work. Besides of the
broken formatting, the commands, if typed literally as given, do not work.
 
  They're also outdated. There is no firefox-11.0.tar.bz2 on
mozilla.org. Only the current version is available for download
(firefox-13.0.1.tar.bz2) but with that, your Firefox.sh would not work.
 
  Running the activity modifies the activity directory (creating
symlinks, copying contents etc.). That's verboten (under Rainbow,
literally so).
 
  Your activity expects the content in ~/Documents/karma. Your
instructions/scripts do not put it there. And if they did, the activity
would try to copy the whole content tree on every launch.
 
  Even after I fixed all that manually, it still does not work. The
activity itself fails to start and show anything useful. It appears to
only launch the web server and Firefox. In a separate window. Not
fullscreen. Firefox shows only a directory listing, not the lessons.
Quitting Firefox leaves the web server running.
 
  So how is this supposed to work? Don't give me scripts, but explain,
please. I jumped through all these hoops because I really wanted to see
it working.
 
  - Bert -
 
  On 2012-06-19, at 16:36, Tony Anderson wrote:
 
   Hi,
  
   Thanks for pointing this out. We always seem to miss the obvious in
documentation.
  
   The website I am referring to is the one linked from activity page
on ASLO.
  
   This version uses a usb drive to stand in for the school server.
The first time Learn is launched it must be connected to the school
server to download the initial content. If not, the user gets a message
saying it must be connected to the school server. Apparently, this isn't
handled correctly when starting without the usb drive (or a school server).
  
   The webpage linked from the activity screen gives information on
how to set up the usb drive. Since Learn wraps Firefox, it needs to be
installed. On recent builds with Gnome desktop, Firefox is installed,
but Learn works better with versions from 4 up and so needs to be
reinstalled. The web page provides scripts to handle all of this,
hopefully, for non-developers.
  
   Please let me know if you encounter other issues.
  
   Thanks,
  
   Tony
  
   On 06/19/2012 03:34 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
   On 2012-06-18, at 17:00, Tony Anderson wrote:
  
   Hello,
  
   Today, Version 51 of the Learn activity has been posted to
Activities.Sugarlabs.org. This version is intended for use
   by deployments to evaluate its usefulness in their context.
  
   It has a separate (45mb) file of content which can be downloaded
   from the website. The website also has installation instructions.
  
   Which website?
  
   When I run this on an XO-1.5 @ 885, it opens a Firefox window (not
full-screen) with an error message (connection error, laptop not
registered) and a blank icon in the frame. Additionally, there is the
Learn icon in the frame, but clicking it says the activity could not be
started.
  
   - Bert -
  
  
   .
  
  
 
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Re: [IAEP] Learn activity

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

I am glad you were able to get it to work. I am still trying to figure 
out a more robust way to do this. Perhaps, I could set up an online site 
somewhere (e.g. karma.sugarlabs.org) so that the content can be obtained 
from that site (in lieu of a school server).


Those lines in the code are left-overs from a debugging effort. I'll 
remove them in learn-52. They actually are 'harmless'.


In saying that the usb drives will not be mounted in /media do you mean 
they will be mounted somewhere else or that automount will be disabled?


The problem with Firefox is the same as all previous attempts to provide 
a Firefox activity. The parent class, activity.py creates a top-level 
window. However, ported programs as Firefox create their own
top-level window. This shows up on the frame as a grey smudge. The 
solution is probably a move to webkit; however, the webkit installed on
the Sugar build I am using (852) is not current and does not support svg 
in html5.


The activity is unfinished and has been constantly evolving based on 
experience at the deployments. The 'authoring' elements, for example, 
are relatively new and untested.


The role button (staff, p4, p5, and p6) allows simulation of the way the 
activity works in a deployment. There the students and staff are
identified. Staff can access any lessons on the system and can add or 
modify lessons. The students have access only to the lessons for their 
level and, instead of the edit button, have a check mark which allows 
them to commit the results of an activity and move on to the next.


The only obvious effect of changing the role is that the Laboratory
button is not visible in p4, p5, and p6. You will also see that the
second level menu (showing courses for p4, p5, and p6) is omitted and 
the activity moves directly to the milestone ladder.


In the examples in Explore, the first milestone has examples of basic 
activities which can be created directly in the activity. The second 
milestone are examples of lessons using Sugar activities. The third 
(Memorize), fourth (Turtle Art), and sixth (British Council) should 
work. Actually, the British Council example does not launch a Sugar 
activity. The first will work if ShowNTell is installed. The second, 
Quiz example and fifth, Wordsearch example will not work at the moment.
Both of these activities need an update so that they can work with a 
bundle loaded from the Journal.


The reason for the green (actually cyan) and blue tops is to show 
whether the activity has been downloaded from the usb key (school server).


The unit of transfer from the usb (schoolserver) is a milestone. In the
milestone ladder, the light blue (cyan) color shows a milestone which is 
not available on the XO. Clicking on the milestone downloads it. The cap 
is then blue. This requires the usb key to be mounted (or a connection 
to the schoolserver). However, milestones in blue can be used without 
the usb key (or connection to the schoolserver). This is in some ways 
the core feature of the activity. It allows the students to take home 
their lessons while using the school server to provide the storage 
capacity not available on the XO.


The Laboratory is intended for use by teachers (staff). It is not 
visible in the student role (p4, p5, or p6).


The easiest way to return to Learn after launching another Sugar 
activity (the Khan academy video is played by the Jukebox activity 
because at the moment I am unable to get audio with the vidoe tag)
is to quit the launched activity (Jukebox). Naturally, you could switch 
back to Learn on the frame).


Thanks again for your time and patience. If you have any suggestions for 
improving the documentation, install process or the activity, they will 
be greatly appreciated. You have already given me plenty to do.


Thanks,

Tony


On 06/20/2012 12:13 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

On 2012-06-19, at 20:53, Tony Anderson wrote:


5. Make sure the Kls_demo_1.tar.bz2 file is unpacked on a usb drive.
The Learn activity checks all the mounted drives for a folder: kls.


That was the missing puzzle piece. I's still weird to require the USB drive 
even after I copied everything to the activity's content folder already. Why?

In any case, it looks like I was mislead by these lines in your code:

 cmd = 'cp -r ~/Documents/karma'
 cmd = cmd + ' ~/Activities/Learn.activity/content/'
 subprocess.call(cmd,shell=True)

Also note that in the new OS, USB drives will not appear in /media anymore.


Even after I fixed all that manually, it still does not work. The activity 
itself fails to start and show anything useful. It appears to only launch the 
web server and Firefox. In a separate window. Not fullscreen. Firefox shows 
only a directory listing, not the lessons. Quitting Firefox leaves the web 
server running.

If we can surmount the install problems, it should show the main screen seen in 
the screen shot on the website.


With the kls directory unpacked

Re: [IAEP] Learn activity

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

I have attempted to clarify the information on the Learn activity page. 
I have also uploaded a modified Firefox.sh script to be Firefox version 
independent ( '*' for version).


I plan to work on the Homepage documentation today. There are features 
which are not yet documented. Bert Freudenberg has pointed out several 
areas where the documentation is misleading.


Please feel free to make suggestions or point out other areas that need 
to be documented or need clarification. This is really helpful and 
greatly appreciated.


Tony

On 06/20/2012 12:13 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

On 2012-06-19, at 20:53, Tony Anderson wrote:


5. Make sure the Kls_demo_1.tar.bz2 file is unpacked on a usb drive.
The Learn activity checks all the mounted drives for a folder: kls.


That was the missing puzzle piece. I's still weird to require the USB drive 
even after I copied everything to the activity's content folder already. Why?

In any case, it looks like I was mislead by these lines in your code:

 cmd = 'cp -r ~/Documents/karma'
 cmd = cmd + ' ~/Activities/Learn.activity/content/'
 subprocess.call(cmd,shell=True)

Also note that in the new OS, USB drives will not appear in /media anymore.


Even after I fixed all that manually, it still does not work. The activity 
itself fails to start and show anything useful. It appears to only launch the 
web server and Firefox. In a separate window. Not fullscreen. Firefox shows 
only a directory listing, not the lessons. Quitting Firefox leaves the web 
server running.

If we can surmount the install problems, it should show the main screen seen in 
the screen shot on the website.


With the kls directory unpacked on the USB drive it works, indeed. But the 
other problems are still there - Firefox is not actually wrapped, it appears in a 
separate, non-Sugar window, whereas the activity window itself is not used.

But now I can comment on your original mail:


The sample content includes two milestones each for English, Mathematics, and 
Science developed and used by the teachers at École Saint Jacobs in Kigali, 
Rwanda.


So the activity is in use already? It seemed quite unfinished to me.


A button on the home page allows users
to experience the activity with staff priviliges and as a student in P4, P5 and 
P6.


The p4 button does nothing here.


There is also a 'Laboratory' subject where teachers can
prepare milestones and lessons for the coming term. The Laboratory also
support French to enable the French teacher also to create course materials.


Don't see the Laboratory subject.


The Explore subject is intended to provide extra-curricular courses which 
students can study to earn badges. At present it contains examples of various 
types of lessons including a Khan Academy video and associated exercises as 
well as a story (with audio) from the British Council. Learn is capable of 
launching Sugar activities.


Found the audio lesson in Explore/examples/1/4.


The examples
in ms02 require that ShowNTell, Quiz, Memorize, Turtle Art, and the Jukebox 
activity be installed. (Jukebox is used to play the Khan video).
If the activity launched by a Learn activity is not installed, it throws an 
exception.


With ms02 do you mean Explore/examples/2? But clicking the green box does nothing. 
Same for the 3rd box labeled Khan. The first box has a dark blue top for some reason, the others 
are light.

Oh. Trying again the tops now are blue too, and I can get to those lessons. Not 
quite sure how to get back from the Khan practice though (except for closing 
the tab). Is this just a local copy of some webpage from Khan academy?

- Bert -

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[IAEP] Khan Academy computer science

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

The Khan Academy web site (http://www.khanacademy.org/) is announcing 
today a 'playlist' on computer science. It appears to be an introduction 
to programming based on Python!


Tony

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Re: [IAEP] Khan Academy computer science

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

Is this 'great minds think alike?'

Tony

On 08/15/2012 04:35 PM, Walter Bender wrote:

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:42 AM, Tony Andersontony_ander...@usa.net  wrote:

Hi,

The Khan Academy web site (http://www.khanacademy.org/) is announcing today
a 'playlist' on computer science. It appears to be an introduction to
programming based on Python!


The funny thing is that many of the examples are also in the Turtle
Art examples list :)

-walter



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Re: [IAEP] Sugar success

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Yama

My measure is whether the laptops are in the box or in the hands of the 
children. I am working with a school in Rwanda where the laptops are 
normally in a charging rack (same as in a box).


Sadly, the laptops are more often in the charging racks.

One problem is that the school administration believes that the laptops 
are to enable the students to learn ICT, what used to be called, 
'computer literacy'. Each class (4th, 5th and 6th) has one period 
(45min) of ICT per week.


OLPC Rwanda, for reasons not of their own making, uses the laptops for 
'events', such as a 'Etoys' camp. Most schools in Rwanda are able to get 
the laptops out to demonstrate for visitors.


It is depressing.

However, I try to remember that use of computers to support instruction 
is really new. While computers have been in primary schools since the 
Apple II, educators choose to view the computer as the object of 
instruction not the means.


Yours,

Tony
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Re: [IAEP] XO robotics

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

I am wondering how this TI MSP430 running on XO 1 - Robotics! relates to 
the Butia project in Uruguay. Is this a better solution?


What appeals to me the most about Butia is that it enable the child to 
its own XO driving the vehicle. Can this be done with the MSP430?


In Uruguay there was a demonstration of the Lego robot - pathetic! It 
was tied to an umbilical cord. It was pre-built so the children had no 
idea of how it worked or what was going on inside. And, of course, it is 
frightfully expensive.


The Butia project has developed a control board which is designed to be 
reproduced by any one. I am hoping that someone in SF will undertake to 
build the Butia kit. Could the MSP430 provide a cheaper and easier to 
build control board for Butia?


Yours,

Tony
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Re: [IAEP] [Butia-list] XO robotics

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

I would love to see you at the SF meeting to explain Butia to that audience.

It was my understanding in Montevideo, that the robot is controlled 
directly from Turtle Art. For me, the really great thing you have done 
is to strap the laptop on the robot platform. This is not for cute 
pictures, it is really exciting for the student to see the robot obeying 
his or her instructions (right or wrong). The fact that the laptop is 
riding on the robot vehicle means that its movement is not limited by an 
umbilical cord.


As Yama states, we really need (for me, in English) a parts list and set 
of instructions for building the robot so that it can be done by any 
deployment. I had hoped that such a session would be conducted in SF as 
I would dearly love to be able to set up a robot at the Saint Jacob 
school in Kigali in December. Naturally, we will also need some lesson 
plans for use of the robot to further the mandated curriculum in Science 
(and mathematics).


My example would be to have the student program the robot to approach a 
wall as closely as possible without touching it. This would involve some 
understanding of the ratio of the wheel diameter to its circumference, 
the number of degrees the wheel advances for each forward step, and 
whole lot of other interesting concepts. For example, such a contest 
could lead to the issue of feedback; how to use a sensor so the robot 
knows when it is close. Should this be visual (camera) or acoustic or 
the bending of a wire or 


Tony

On 09/27/2012 02:08 PM, Jorge wrote:

On 27/09/12 13:35, Yama Ploskonka wrote: 1) I wouldn't say better...
rather, complementary, and certainly
  cheaper. Visiting the Butiá pages, the only picture I see showing an MCU
  http://www.fing.edu.uy/inco/proyectos/butia/images/pistaButia.jpg is
  showing an Arduino. Add a motor driver, and we are well above $30, plus
  shipping. The USBButiá board is maybe cheaper IF done in quantity by
  experts (then add labor).

Besides the microcontroller the USBButiá board provides standard
connectors for attaching sensors. It allows autodetecting what sensor
you connected and were (something like the NXT brick, but with a wider
spectrum of attacheable stuff, more connectors, easier to hack, and
plugplay).

We sidestepped the motor driver issue using digital servos.

  MSP430 + (L293D OR some darlington array) can be free if you get them
  as samples from TI, or less than $5 when purchased, /plus shipping/, the
  old bane. the advantage of using a darlington driver is that then you
  may use plain DC motors, which can be free if lucky with old electronic
  parts (beautiful gear system available in old CDROM drives)
 
  2) yop - the XO drives the vehicle with the MSP430 option also. Now, I
  put quote marks as I have no idea - yet - on how to send data direct
  realtime from the XO to the robot, bypassing the MCU. What seems to be
  happening is that Butiá depends on sending code/program to the Arduino,
  and the the 'duino does the brains of the robot.

Nop, the control runs fully on the XO. MCU only interfaces
sensorsmotors and supports the plugplay functionality. No user logic
runs on the MCU.
The user programs on the XO access sensors/actuators connected the MCU
and whatever the XO provides (mic, cam, accelerometer if there is one)
transparently. The most frequent programming environment is TurtleArte
(kisds already know it), but there are also Python and Lua environments
for when the problem or the user outgrows Turtle Art.

In my opinion, what MCU is used is not actually important. What is
important is the programming environment, how it interfaces with
whatever your robot offers, and the mechanism you provide for adapting
your robot for solving different problems.

Jorge
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Re: [IAEP] python versions

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

Python 3 is a dialect of Python which is sufficiently different that 
some programmers consider it a different dialect, analogous to C and 
C++. However, the current Sugar is based on Python 2.7. Earlier versions 
have installed Python 2.5 and 2.6. For purposes of learning Python, it 
shouldn't matter if the course is using Python 2.6 and the student is 
using 2.7.


Tony


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Hi,

I would love to see you at the SF meeting to explain Butia to that audience.

It was my understanding in Montevideo, that the robot is controlled
directly from Turtle Art. For me, the really great thing you have done
is to strap the laptop on the robot platform. This is not for cute
pictures, it is really exciting for the student to see the robot obeying
his or her instructions (right or wrong). The fact that the laptop is
riding on the robot vehicle means that its movement is not limited by an
umbilical cord.

As Yama states, we really need (for me, in English) a parts list and set
of instructions for building the robot so that it can be done by any
deployment. I had hoped that such a session would be conducted in SF as
I would dearly love to be able to set up a robot at the Saint Jacob
school in Kigali in December. Naturally, we will also need some lesson
plans for use of the robot to further the mandated curriculum in Science
(and mathematics).

My example would be to have the student program the robot to approach a
wall as closely as possible without touching it. This would involve some
understanding of the ratio of the wheel diameter to its circumference,
the number of degrees the wheel advances for each forward step, and
whole lot of other interesting concepts. For example, such a contest
could lead to the issue of feedback; how to use a sensor so the robot
knows when it is close. Should this be visual (camera) or acoustic or
the bending of a wire or 

Tony

On 09/27/2012 02:08 PM, Jorge wrote:

On 27/09/12 13:35, Yama Ploskonka wrote:  1) I wouldn't say better...
rather, complementary, and certainly
cheaper. Visiting the Buti? pages, the only picture I see showing an MCU
http://www.fing.edu.uy/inco/proyectos/butia/images/pistaButia.jpg is
showing an Arduino. Add a motor driver, and we are well above $30, plus
shipping. The USBButi? board is maybe cheaper IF done in quantity by
experts (then add labor).

Besides the microcontroller the USBButi? board provides standard
connectors for attaching sensors. It allows autodetecting what sensor
you connected and were (something like the NXT brick, but with a wider
spectrum of attacheable stuff, more connectors, easier to hack, and
plugplay).

We sidestepped the motor driver issue using digital servos.

MSP430 + (L293D OR some darlington array) can be free if you get them
as samples from TI, or less than $5 when purchased, /plus shipping/, the
old bane. the advantage of using a darlington driver is that then you
may use plain DC motors, which can be free if lucky with old electronic
parts (beautiful gear system available in old CDROM drives)
  
2) yop - the XO drives the vehicle with the MSP430 option also. Now, I
put quote marks as I have no idea - yet - on how to send data direct
realtime from the XO to the robot, bypassing the MCU. What seems to be
happening is that Buti? depends on sending code/program to the Arduino,
and the the 'duino does the brains of the robot.

Nop, the control runs fully on the XO. MCU only interfaces
sensorsmotors and supports the plugplay functionality. No user logic
runs on the MCU.
The user programs on the XO access sensors/actuators connected the MCU
and whatever the XO provides (mic, cam, accelerometer if there is one)
transparently. The most frequent

Re: [IAEP] [Butia-list] XO robotics

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

Bravo!

Tony


On 10/16/2012 10:36 AM, Andres Aguirre wrote:

I think you guys will enjoy this:

http://www.olpcnews.com/use_cases/technology/usb4butia_a_truly_free_as_in_freedom_input_output_board.html

all the best
andres


On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Andres Aguirre aguir...@gmail.com wrote:

I want to share with you this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp3e1YAtJPs taken a few days ago in the
robotic event called sumo.uy [1] organized by the public Uruguayan
faculty of engineering. In this event there were two challenges for
the butiá robot, were schools from Uruguay come to participate.
This video is very nice, because is the robot that was done from the
scratch by students and a teacher of a small community in Uruguay.
They modify the original design of the butiá robot and use recycled
parts of old computer components to make the IO board and to make the
chassis of the robot with the case of an old PC.
all the best!
andrés

[1] www.fing.edu.uy/sumo.uy
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 4:45 AM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn
alan...@hotmail.com wrote:

Putting the XO on top of the robot appears to me as a cute photo op
thing,
not a necessity. It would be amazingly cool if the XO camera would
capture
images that real time were processed by the XO, or man a sonar sensor,
or
something. So far I don't think this is happening, and the XO on the
platform feels like a pour la gallerie innocent gimmick.


In fact, the XO is part of the robot and there is a plugin for
TurtleBlocks that allows to use the camera as a sensor color. (see
followme plugin)



Exist a followme plugin for the TurtleBlocks (TurtleArt) activity:

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Turtle_Art#FollowMe

And exist a separate activity for the XO:

http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4368

A video of the activity FollowMe Butia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nnc9Rn9GbY

Regards!

Alan

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[IAEP] Fwd: Re: help for XS request

[Tony Anderson]

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: help for XS request
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:24:03 -0500
From: Tony Anderson t...@olenepal.org
To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org

Hi,

A common method is to transfer the data by exporting a CSV file from
Excel. The result is a plain text flat file.

Tony


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Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:16:32 -0600
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Reposting, sent to my address

On 11/09/2012 08:47 AM, Alfonso Bellorin wrote:

Hello!

I am taking this opportunity to ask for some guidance as to work with
the XOs. Specificity, I really need help with the server XS and how to
run it, including the applications that will handle the pulling of the
data, out of the inventory, that is in Excel. I am involve in an OLPC
program as an intern for the Engineering Information career and my
goal, as part of my internship work, is to setup this servers, area in
which I am new. Thank you!

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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 56, Issue 12

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

Perhaps we can get Alfonso Calero to join this list. I am not sure 
whether he has a development issue with XS or an application issue on 
how to use it. I would certainly need more information before I could 
provide any useful guidance.


Tony


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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 13:46:57 -0600
From: Yama Ploskonkayamap...@gmail.com
To: Chris Leonardcjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com
Cc: iaepIAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [IAEP] help for XS requested
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Sure!  anyone in server-devel who wants to forward this on? alas, I am
not on that one.

Thank you!


On 11/09/2012 11:58 AM, Chris Leonard wrote:

Yama,

server-devel might be a better list for reposting this message, just a thought.

cjl

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Yama Ploskonkayamap...@gmail.com  wrote:

Reposting, sent to my address

On 11/09/2012 08:47 AM, Alfonso Bellorin wrote:

Hello!

I am taking this opportunity to ask for some guidance as to work with the
XOs. Specificity, I really need help with the server XS and how to run it,
including the applications that will handle the pulling of the data, out of
the inventory, that is in Excel. I am involve in an OLPC program as an
intern for the Engineering Information career and my goal, as part of my
internship work, is to setup this servers, area in which I am new. Thank
you!

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Re: [IAEP] Emulating Alice in Turtle

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

That is what was done in the Speak Activity so it can provide a
good model.

Tony



On 11/17/2012 08:26 AM, Walter Bender wrote:

If we made a python block front end to the AIML engine, we could use
it in Turtle Art. I've not played with AIML, but it looks to be fairly
straight forward.

-walter

On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Tony Anderson tony_ander...@usa.net wrote:

Hi,

Just a footnote. There may be some who are not aware that Alice is based on
AIML:

http://www.alicebot.org/aiml.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIML

The AIML engine in Speak is written in Python.

An intriguing idea is to make a teachable bot:

http://www.simonlaven.com/leo.htm

This could result in a dialog like this:

type: hello
response: I don't know what to say.
type: say: hello
response: hello
type: How are you?
response: I don't know what to say.
type: say: I'm fine, thanks. How are you?
response: I'm fine, thanks. How are you?
type: Goodbye
response: I dont' know what to say.
type say: Goodbye

AIML is a way to give rules on how to respond to an input. It has a default
response when none of the rules are triggered. The default response in Alice
is randomly chosen from a set of alternatives. However, the default response
could always be 'I don't not what to say' or 'bitte'. The response 'say:'
could then trigger the engine to add the response as a rule.

Another intriguing idea is to add the AIML engine to chat so that alice
could participate. In the AIML model, Alice would not enter the conversation
except in response to questions.

Tony

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[IAEP] OLPC

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

The Saint Jacob school has one laptop per child in grades 4, 5, and 6. 
The teachers in the lower primary (K, grades 1, 2, and 3) want to use 
them for selected lessons.


There needs to be a way for the work of each student who is sharing a 
laptop to be kept separate. In particular, the school server knows the 
class of the student who 'owns' the machine and provides access only to 
those lessons.


I consider this requirement as less than One Laptop Per Child.

I propose the following:

Modify the XO menu (home screen) to add a 'new' tab. This tab can be 
used to assign another nick. For example, there could be the student's 
nick plus a nick for the family to keep family use separate from the 
students. This tab would bring up the original login screen to allow 
selection of a nick and colors.


Separate datastore folders would be set up in 
/home/olpc/.sugar/default/datastore with a link to datastore for the 
logged in user.


When the laptop connects with the schoolserver, it will identify both 
the serial-number and nick for the laptop.


On the schoolserver, the /library/users/serial-number folder will have 
folders for each user. The serial-number key pair would be used for 
authorization and then backup would go to the correct folder (the backup 
program would be aware of multiple users).


I would appreciate any suggestions for better ways to do this and for 
anyone who sees something I have missed.


Tony
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Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] OLPC

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

You are probably right. This proposal, however, addresses the existing 
XO laptop and rather immediate needs. Specifically, the record of 
student activity in Sugar is the Journal.


I forgot one point. When a different child uses the laptop, they should 
go to the XO icon where their name will appear as a tab. Click on the 
tab changes the environment to make them 'user of record'. Trying to use 
a 'screensaver login' approach is probably overkill.


Tony

On 12/03/2012 06:46 AM, Yama Ploskonka wrote:

if they are accessing an HTML resource, the kid can have a cookie, or a
CGI hidden field that gets passed in the URL as they call the resource.
That would work like logging in into any webpage as we are used to do,
hopefully done only once, and then kept as a cookie field.  That would
require no deep magic hacking.

I have become convinced that interaction with servers should be through
HTML, and hopefully someday an OS will have simply a browser, and
anything and everything will be run as a service in the server. That
would make it so much cheaper to maintain the OS, and probably make it
much faster and effective.  For local (non-connected) use, the OS could
have an internal server, same thing - the GUI would be an HTML page.

this, of course, is for school /users/. Those who deserve better should
have a very solid Terminal, and binaries.

Anyway, even the local Community College I go to nowadays does every
administrative task on browsers. Still paying full licenses, of course!


On 12/02/2012 10:27 PM, Tony Anderson wrote:

Hi,

The Saint Jacob school has one laptop per child in grades 4, 5, and 6.
The teachers in the lower primary (K, grades 1, 2, and 3) want to use
them for selected lessons.

There needs to be a way for the work of each student who is sharing a
laptop to be kept separate. In particular, the school server knows the
class of the student who 'owns' the machine and provides access only
to those lessons.

I consider this requirement as less than One Laptop Per Child.

I propose the following:

Modify the XO menu (home screen) to add a 'new' tab. This tab can be
used to assign another nick. For example, there could be the student's
nick plus a nick for the family to keep family use separate from the
students. This tab would bring up the original login screen to allow
selection of a nick and colors.

Separate datastore folders would be set up in
/home/olpc/.sugar/default/datastore with a link to datastore for the
logged in user.

When the laptop connects with the schoolserver, it will identify both
the serial-number and nick for the laptop.

On the schoolserver, the /library/users/serial-number folder will have
folders for each user. The serial-number key pair would be used for
authorization and then backup would go to the correct folder (the
backup program would be aware of multiple users).

I would appreciate any suggestions for better ways to do this and for
anyone who sees something I have missed.

Tony
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Re: [IAEP] OLPC

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

Unfortunately this neat proposal doesn't address the Journal (nor my 
problem of delivering the correct educational content per the grade 
level of the user).


On balance, the risk of work being done by one user in the name of 
another is probably not worth the 'screensaver' strategy. In the end, 
the users will have to learn the habit of identifying themselves.


Tony


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Message: 5 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 16:36:28 +1100 From: James Cameron
qu...@laptop.org To: Community Support Volunteers -- who help respond
to \help AT laptop.org\ support-g...@lists.laptop.org Cc: Janissa
Balcomb jani...@silverstar.com, iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
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20121203053628.ga3...@us.netrek.org Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 03:53:32PM +1100, James Cameron
wrote:

For a truly shared computer, I suggest switching to a login screen
before Sugar, such as that provided by the default Fedora (before OLPC
OS removed it).

I tried this just now on an XO-4 with 13.1.0 build 15, and was able to
switch to using a login screen:

# yum install -y gdm   # install the login screen
# chkconfig olpc-dm off# turn off the automatic login by OLPC
# chkconfig gdm on # turn on the login screen
# passwd olpc  # set the password on the default account
# adduser fred # create a new account
# passwd fred  # set the password on the new account
# reboot

It worked reasonably well, and the login screen had a Sugar vs GNOME
option, but there were a few irritating bugs that would need to be
worked:

- fonts used by Sugar are too small, (perhaps this is something done
   by olpc-dm when it should instead be done in a platform-specific
   session startup for Sugar),

- there's no Logout option on Sugar, to take the system back to the
   login screen,

- after Logout from GNOME, there is system startup text displayed for
   a short time before the login screen appears,

- no Sugar Activities are present in the second account even if they
   are copied manually ... something that the Sugar developers could
   probably advise on.


For XO-1.5, a 4GB SD card per student might be another alternative;
when the card is inserted before power on, the laptop could be made to
behave with the identity of that student.  This is costly, and risky,
but is available immediately with no unusual configuration.

How is this done?  Store a fresh operating system on the SD card using
a spare laptop, then use the SD card on the student shared laptop:

- unlock a spare laptop,

- power off the spare laptop,

- insert an SD card,

- power on and get to the ok prompt,

- type 'devalias fsdisk ext:' and press enter, this selects the
   external SD card socket for the next step,

- type 'fs-update u:\21021o1.zd' to install the build, changing the
   file name as appropriate,

- remove the card,

- power off the student shared laptop,

- insert the card,

- power on the laptop.

The fs-update step would need to be repeated for each SD card, unless
a duplicator was available.  If using a duplicator, the master SD card
must be duplicated before it is used to boot a laptop.

-- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/


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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 57, Issue 12

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

I like it!

Tony

On 12/11/2012 07:00 PM, iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote:

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:16:20 +1100
From: Sridhar Dhanapalansrid...@laptop.org.au
To: iaepiaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: [IAEP] Arduino Esplora
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This might be useful from an educational perspective:

http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardEsplora

It looks similar to a MaKey MaKey in its simplicity. Everything else
I've seen is far too complex for most teachers and kids.


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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17

[Tony Anderson]

Hello,

I am working as a volunteer at a school in Rwanda. This subject is a 
part of the curriculum in Rwanda. Primary science education in Rwanda is 
mostly rote learning. One reason is that primary schools have no budget 
to acquire anything beyond a few wall posters to support science 
instruction.


My sense is that the OLPC laptops can server as a virtual alternative to 
the science lab through interactive simulations, good graphics, 
interactive experiments as you describe.


While there is much material available, it is proprietary and/or only 
available on the internet. In Rwanda and many developing countries, 
usable internet access is not available to the schools (even electricity 
is a major problem).


This means whatever is developed should be designed for local hosting. 
The available storage capacity of the original XO is 1GB, more recent 
models have 4GB. I believe a school server is the solution for hosting 
this content. Servers with Atom or Arm technology configured with 4GB 
memory and 2TB storage are available for under $500.


OLPC has based their educational strategy on Python (a reasonable 
choice). However, going forward, I expect web technology to be 
emphasized more (webkit, html5 animation).


Another major concern is that anything developed be made available as an 
open resource (Creative Commons for information or comparable license 
for source code). If there is a cost for use in a school, it is beyond 
the means of the school itself. If the school has to go to higher levels 
for funding, the bureaucracy will make it impossible or so difficult 
that no one will try. Open educational resources make it possible for 
the science teacher at an OLPC deployment to use them in her class on 
her own initiative.


Finally, some design consideration for supporting multiple languages is 
important.


What you are suggesting is vitally needed.

Tony

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Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:19:16 -0500
From:andry...@gmail.com
To:olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org
Subject: [Olpc-open] Healthcare - Potential Opportunity

Hello, I'm new to this venue but am looking to contribute and/or determine if I 
might have some material that would benefit the community.  I work for a 
healthcare company that specializes in vision and was wondering if there was 
any need for material on healthy vision or perhaps an interactive eye model to 
teach children about the different parts of the eye.  It could be anything in 
this realm really - the sky is the limit.

My company is constantly looking for ways to give back and if there was some 
interest in this I'd look to build a more robust case and inquire more deeply 
into whether the company would be willing to put some resources behind this.

Is there anyone on this distribution list that would be able to point me in the 
right direction?


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Re: [IAEP] Suggestions needed for Learning(Teaching) reading

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

The Eric site you linked says that it does not have authorization to
make the course available for download. Am I missing something?

Tony


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On Wed, February 27, 2013 8:09 pm, Steve Thomas wrote:

I will be heading to Haiti next month and the teachers are requesting
feedback and ideas on teaching English at the school I will be visiting.

I am looking for good resources on methods of teaching/lessons, software
suggestions and non computer games and methods of learning.


One of the best methods for teaching foreign languages is the
microwave technique created by Earl Stevick of the US Foreign Service
Institute, one of the top language schools in the world. It consists
of short, carefully sequenced lessons that introduce single points of
grammar, which are then reinforced in dialogs where students are
encouraged to explore the possible range of variation in using the
expressions they have just learned. Microwave was adopted by the Peace
Corps for all of its language materials and courses in something like
80 languages. I was taught a little bit of the technique as an English
teacher with the Peace Corps in South Korea in the 1960s.

There is A Microwave Course in English as a Second Language (For
Spanish Speakers) available for free download from the US government
Educational Resources Information Center Web site.

http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/search/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true_ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=ED035876ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=noaccno=ED035876

A teacher's manual exists, but I have not seen it offered for download.

Obviously, this is not quite what the Haitian teachers want. It would
require significant work to adapt it to the requirements of speakers
of standard French or of Krey?l Ayisyen, and to make it usable at
other than the adult level.

I can assist. I have been working on the similar Microwave Course in
Spanish (for English speakers), and trying to get a Creative Commons
license to permit wider use, adaptation, and republishing. We do not
know who owns the copyright at present, since the original publisher,
Lingoco, has gone out of business. I could do with some assistance in
such issues of licensing.


I have ordered Proust and the Squid and am looking at Maryanne Wolf
video's suggested by Mike Lee.

Thanks,
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Re: [IAEP] Library in a box

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

OLE Nepal has deployed such a library since 2008. See www.pustakalaya.org.

The library is based on Fedora Commons and Fez.

I have rehosted most of the English language collection on Django (as is 
Pathagar). This works with the WebKit version of the Browse Activity.
A selected item is 'checked-out', meaning it is downloaded to the 
Journal and can be read by the Read activity (pdfs) or played by the 
Jukebox activity (audio, video). In addition, the library includes Sugar 
activities which can also be 'checked out', meaning Browse downloads and 
installs the activity.


The library needs major work to enable users not connected to the 
internet to be able to add to the collection. I am particularly 
interested in a means for users to add comments and rank items (as 
Amazon, for example). Another major need is a better system for users to 
find something interesting (e.g. like ICDL).


I am not sure about the 'small' box. A successful library with 
multimedia content will require many GB of storage. George Hunt has 
installed XS-0.7 on a Raspberry Pi with an external 500GB hard drive so 
this does appear feasible but I would like to get some experience with 
this configuration in production before recommending it for deployment.


Tony


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Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 13:38:13 -0500
From: Sebastian Silvasebast...@fuentelibre.org
To: Christophe Gu?retchristophe.gue...@dans.knaw.nl
Cc: Saskia Harmsensharm...@iicd.org,Liste OLPC open
olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org, Linda Reijnhoudt
linda.reijnho...@dans.knaw.nl,  Andrea Scharnhorst
andrea.scharnho...@dans.knaw.nl,Maarten Hoogerwerf
maarten.hoogerw...@dans.knaw.nl,Marat Charlaganov
charlaga...@gmail.com, laurala...@somosazucar.org,  Shenghui 
Wang
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Hey all,
Most of you probably are aware of the Sugar Network project.
We are actively working on it and it involves similar workflows, plus
getting feedback from the users and distributing updated software. One
concern we have is that we would like the flow of information and
knowledge to happen not only from a central repository but also from the
periphery inwards. In a country like Per?, where our group is located,
with something like 60 native languages, this is vital.
The core of the Sugar Network is a descentralized server and client that
handle the sneaker net logic for asynchronic collaboration around a
content, projects and sofware repository [1]. It provides an API and
multiple front-ends.
This is the work of Aleksey Lim.
Please include me and Laura Vargas (added to cc) in discussions about
this topic, so that we may join efforts.
We are the designers/developers of the first front-end [1], designed
younger users. We are also the ones who presented the requirements for
Sugar Network as a Challenge for Sugar Camp Lima 2011 when this work
started, to support the efforts of the local deployment support groups.

Warm regards,
Sebastian

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Re: [IAEP] How to access USB

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

Just a note:

Prior to 12.1.0, the path was /media/??? This is a little problematic 
because:


cd /media/
ls

on a 12.1.0 shows nothing (on an earlier system you should see ???).

Also on an earlier system:

cd /run/media/olpc

will show No such file or directory.

On 12.1.0, if you cd /run/media/olpc with no drive mounted you
get 'No such file or directory' not an empty folder. (sigh).

Tony

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:15:58 -0400
From: Walter Benderwalter.ben...@gmail.com
To: Steve Thomassthom...@gosargon.com
Cc: iaepiaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [IAEP] How can I get Camera to work on XO? Also how to
access  USB



How can I address the USB device from terminal? What is the path?

/run/media/olpc/???




good luck

-walter




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[IAEP] BERNIE

[Tony Anderson]

BERNIE (Basic Educational Resources Needed for Innovative Education) has 
a website:


http://www.projectbernie.org

It now has documentation of the capabilities based on screenshots from 
an XO-1.5 using a schoolserver with
the BERNIE content installed. Those who are interested in what can be 
made available to an olpc deployment are
invited to take a look. Please let me know if there are any problems 
with the site.


Tony
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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 76, Issue 7

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

First, the xs-setup-network script sets up a port which expects the WAN 
side to supply an IP via
DHCP. If your internet provider expects something else, the port should 
be re-configured.


Second, a more direct way to test would be to ping Google's dns site: 
ping 8.8.8.8


Yours,

Tony

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1. Re: [Sugar-devel] Cannot connect to internet on school server
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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:05:17 -0300
From: Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org
To: Athar Haque findat...@gmail.com
Cc: iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org,  Sugar-dev Devel
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I would suggest ask on the server mailing list [1],
but looks like lists.laptop.org is down right now?!
Where are the school server guys these days?

Gonzalo

[1] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel


On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Athar Haque findat...@gmail.com wrote:


I recently installed XO school server in a VM for testing of my project. I
have followed steps on - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Installing_Software.
But couldn't connect to the internet. I have activated standard networking
by running the command


*xs-setup-network.*
When I run yum update. I get this error -

Could not retrieve mirrorlist http://mirrorlist.centos.org/?release=6arch=x86_64repo=os 
error was14: PYCURL ERROR 6 - Couldn't resolve host 'mirrorlist.centos.org'Error: 
Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: base


I can't find a solution to it and if anyone knows how to fix this, it
would be of great help.

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[IAEP] Project Bernie

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, All

I have finally got most of the project bernie site 
(www.projectbernie.org) showing what is available on the school server. 
The major missing piece is the 'homeview' button on the Class page. This 
piece is being uploaded at the moment and with luck will be added later 
today.


I think the site is pretty representative of the actual content 
available on an XO supported by a server with content from BERNIE. 
Naturally, the web site links to the online source of the data on the 
server.


The library software is used for 'learn' and 'explore' on the Class page 
and 'Sugar Activities' and 'Audio' on the Library page. These buttons 
are suggestive since the actual content is too large to put on the web 
site.


For example, there are about 200 Sugar activities available to be 
installed from the school server, but all I did was point to ASLO. 
Similarly for the Audio button, I linked to the source site of the radio 
clips, but you need the real server to see exactly which clips are 
available.


The 'learn' button on the Class page features the 'digital textbooks' 
from Siyavula. Here the link shows what an XO would see from the same 
link on the school server; however, on the school server the content is 
downloaded to the Journal and viewed locally in the Browser. In general 
content is downloaded to the XO so that it can be used when the XO is 
offline. I also think this makes the network load more manageable 
compared to streaming to a 30+ XOs. The 'explore' button features 
courses on Python, Web technology, and the Command Line Interpreter 
(Terminal activity). This also shows what would be seen on the XO.


Tony


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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel, Greenfeld)

[Tony Anderson]

Sean,

I think you are getting at what I consider the heart of the problem. 
SugarLabs sees Sugar as an alternative GUI for any computing device with 
primary efficacy in the developed, internet-connected world. This goal 
is understandable since the XOs have a limited life and so Sugar must be 
operable on currently marketed devices.


The project I signed up for is to place computers in the hands of every 
child at a community school in the developing world where electricity is 
an issue, the internet is unavailable, and teachers as well as students 
have no prior experience with computing. The goal of the project is to 
enhance the educational opportunities of these students through the use 
of Sugar as well as access to information others on the right side of 
the digital divide get from the internet.


Tony
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel, Greenfeld)

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Walter

This could lead to a most unproductive discussion. My main point is that 
there should be focus on what new
educational opportunities we are offering to our users. I am saddened to 
see such wonderful new activities developed using the web technology 
which are totally unavailable to the majority of our user base.


As I said in response to Adam's poll: I think we may need to think in 
terms of two efforts: development leading to
support of new software and hardware technologies and maintenance - 
preserving the viability of the deployed hardware of which

the overwhelming majority are XO-1s.

Tony

On 03/19/2015 09:06 AM, Walter Bender wrote:

Tony,

I don't agree with your characterization of Sugar. We've never built
in any assumptions about connectivity into the GUI, core system, or
core activities (even the web activities all run off disk. The
decision to migrate to GTK3 was made for technical reasons -- which
you may disagree with -- but not because we were trying to cater to a
developed world. That said, there has been a degradation of
performance on the XO-1 hardware and we can and should try to make
improvements there. But I don't think it is realistic to languish in
long-abandoned, unsupported libraries: we as a community cannot
possibly support old versions of GTK, Gstreamer, and the countless of
components of Sugar 0.94. I believe it would be much less work and
much more fruitful even in the short term to invest in optimizing new
code to old hardware.

regards.


-walter


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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel, Greenfeld)

[Tony Anderson]

 to be built as a result). 
And the island's fishermen wanted to learn how to obtain weather and 
tides information. My point is that even in remote areas, people know 
that the Internet exists and that children need computers and 
connectivity to develop opportunities - there will be fewer and fewer 
schools which are completely off-grid. I agree that the children in 
those schools need help the most, that with no connectivity a local 
device (or device+server) is all-important, and that the XO is 
best-suited as that device. However Sugar offers the possibility of 
using a different device if XOs become unavailable. It's not 
farfetched to imagine a hardware/Sugar education project based on a 
RPi or other Single Board Computer (SBC), perhaps with an internal 
battery, used for example with shared keyboards and screens at school 
connected to a school server, maybe with satellite tablet screen for 
outside school...


To me, the goal of Sugar Labs is to offer its benefits to all 
children, not just those lucky enough to have access to an XO. This 
can certainly include children in developing countries - witness 
Sugar's support for indigenous languages, always a step ahead of 
commercial offerings, yet of only limited interest in developed countries.


Sean.


On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 1:40 AM, Tony Anderson tony_ander...@usa.net 
mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net wrote:


Sean,

I think you are getting at what I consider the heart of the
problem. SugarLabs sees Sugar as an alternative GUI for any
computing device with primary efficacy in the developed,
internet-connected world. This goal is understandable since the
XOs have a limited life and so Sugar must be operable on currently
marketed devices.

The project I signed up for is to place computers in the hands of
every child at a community school in the developing world where
electricity is an issue, the internet is unavailable, and teachers
as well as students have no prior experience with computing. The
goal of the project is to enhance the educational opportunities of
these students through the use of Sugar as well as access to
information others on the right side of the digital divide get
from the internet.

Tony




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Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

[Tony Anderson]

Thanks for this.

In an after school environment, this strategy should work very well. It 
means that someone must be the firestarter, perhaps at a pre-school 
training session.


I am not sure about how this could be accomplished where after-school 
programs are not feasible. At some of the schools I support, the 
teachers and students live too far from the school to stay after the 
normal day is over. These schools start later to enable students to have 
time to reach it in daylight and close early to give the students time 
to return home. In Lesotho, we observed students who walked three hours 
to and three hours back from school every day.


I am trying to develop some introductory 'lessons' to act as the 
firestarter in Python, but it is very difficult to do effectively.


Tony


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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 12:13:46 + (UTC)
From: Alan Kayalan.n...@yahoo.com
To: Sora Edwards-Thros...@unleashkids.org,  Gonzalo Odiard
godi...@sugarlabs.org
Cc: IAEP SugarLabsiaep@lists.sugarlabs.org, Tim Falconer
timo...@immuexa.com,support-g...@laptop.org
support-g...@laptop.org
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Hi

I agree with your first paragraph (although I don't know of really discoverable 
programming systems -- even Scratch has lots of conventions that are hard to 
discover). But I do agree that 5-10% of an population is better matched up to a 
given topic, and that the rest need more help of different kinds.
But there are good materials for learning Etoys, especially in Spanish, and 
especially for teachers.

The last part I don't agree with because it contains a misconception about how 
to teach Etoys, and especially programming, to children and adults.

We found -- via many attempts -- that 1 on 1 -- then branching out -- works much much better than 
trying to teach a group. The Drive a Car project was invented to be the introduction, 
and it can be taught 1 on 1 in about 20 minutes. Now we have two teachers of Drive a 
Car. Then 4 etc. It is worth taking the 100 minutes to carry this out. The reason for this 
approach is found in your first paragraph, and the key is the 1 on 1 which allows the time needed 
for specific learnings and questions about the project.
Once a class has gotten going, then should eventually be the first teachers for the 
next class, and now the whole new class can be handled in ~30 minutes for the first exercise. This 
use of peer teaching works in other areas also, but it is particularly effective in 
technique learning. It is not used nearly enough (many pro teachers feel a loss of authority, and 
that is more important to them that in how well the children are learning).
Cheers
Alan


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Re: [IAEP] Upgrading XOs

[Tony Anderson]

I have finished categorizing the Sugar activities on BERNIE. The Backup 
and Backup4G are the activities installed on the standard builds. The 
Standard activities that I believe work without restriction. The Spanish 
category is evident. The Web activity are activities that require 
web-service (not yet installed on the XOs). The Restricted category 
includes activities that require special external capabilities such as a 
Butia robot, access to the internet, a midi controller and so on. The 
Broken category are activities which do not install and launch cleanly 
on an XO-1 for various reasons (all activities have correct 
activity.info files so 'broken' refers to some other issue). The 
Untested category include activities which depend on multiple users as 
well as the Spirituality for Kids activities which have not been tested).


The activities list can be see in the Class Page by clicking on the 
Guide button on the Sugar Activities page at http://www.projectbernie.org.


Tony
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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 84, Issue 2

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Sean

I thought the strategy of OLPC was very clear - sell national 
governments on providing laptops to all of their children. However, 
OLPC, independent of this strategy,  made two critical decisions: G1G1 
and using open software that have made all the difference.


The open software decision led to the development of the our current 
community,  Nicholas Negroponte's famous 'software' mistake.


The G1G1 model defines our community problem today. The Give 1 part gave 
focus on the need to provide and support the laptops at community 
schools in the developing world where electricity is a problem, internet 
is unknown, and hands-on experience with computers is minimal. The Get 1 
model gave focus on the use of the XO by one's grandchildren in the home 
where internet access is ubiquitous and everyone has hands-on experience 
with computers.


This is analogous to the difference between teaching a Spanish speaking 
child English as a second language in Massachusetts and in rural Peru.


The XO-1 is still viable in the Give 1 world. Outside of hardware 
problems, it delivers the same educational experience it did in 2007.


Naturally, the XO-1 is not marketable in the Get 1 world. The developers 
and supporting volunteers live in the Get 1 world. As a consequence 
going to a software model which jettisons etoys in the interest of 
keeping up with Fedora seems a reasonable tradeoff. Someone in Give 1, 
who has never before had a computer in their hands, is unlikely to know 
or care what model of Fedora is installed.


This begs the question, what has changed between Sugar 0.82 and 0.104 
that significantly improves the value of the XO in primary school 
education in the Give 1 world?


We should consider the real model of deployments (aside of the national 
ones). Some individual or group in the Get 1 world decides to sponsor a 
set of laptops for a specific school or library in the Give 1 world, the 
deployment.


The role of the sponsor is to coordinate with the deployment, develop a 
plan to provide electrical power (e.g. agreeing to pay for utility bill 
or getting an agreement that the deployment will pay), acquire the 
laptops, arrange for the laptops to be delivered to the deployment 
(often in luggage), and arrange for someone with technical skills to go 
to the deployment to set up the system and show the staff how it works. 
Naturally, my personal interest is that the sponsor should supply a 
school server and one or more routers to provide the XOs with access to 
some of the information the Get 1 world routinely obtains from the internet.


Normally, installation of software is not an issue. The sponsor handles 
that. The ongoing problem is that the community assumes the deployment 
has a similar familiarity with computers as is common in the Get 1 
world. The only introduction to computers is typically a few day 
workshop at the deployment when the laptops are delivered and installed. 
Further, the clear pedagogical vision is not communicated leaving the 
deployment to figure out how the XOs are to used effectively. The 
laptops are not used to provide continuing education in their use. The 
consequence is the often observed drift at the deployment into limbo 
(i.e. the computers spend most of thier time in the packing boxes).


If we need a marketing program, it is to find sponsors to fund and 
support deployments in the Give 1 world. This program should be 
accompanied by an effort to find unused XOs and get them deployed for 
the simple reason that the initial $200 investment is paid and they are 
immediately usable. Where are the XOs given to Mongolia? The program 
should include particular attention to making the task of sponsorship as 
easy as possible and on giving the sponsor a clear understanding of the 
pedagogical goal of the program.


Should we encourage or recommend deployments of computers/tablets/smart 
phones other than the XO? So far as I am aware there are no Sugar-based 
deployments on laptops other than the XO (Classmate in Argentina?). The 
initial reaction to Raspberry Pi is that when you added the essential 
peripherals (monitor, keyboard, camera, microphone) and packaged them in 
a portable package - the cost would be comparable to that of an XO. I 
have seen nothing to change that judgement.


If we are willing to accept a computer lab model in which the XOs never 
leave the school - the 'thin-client' model may be useful. In this model, 
the computer may be a Raspberry Pi with a monitor, keyboard, and mouse. 
Since it never leaves the lab, the packaging is not important. The 'thin 
clients' could be connected to the school server by an ethernet switch. 
One obvious consequence is that the learners will never have a chance to 
read ebooks, listen to music, listen to native English speakers, 
complete KA Lite exercises, or explore what they can do in Scratch or 
Turtle Blocks. They will get access to the computers on a schedule set 
by the school and will be 

Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Gonzalo

Must we rewrite 300 Sugar activities because Python is obsolete? If we 
are committed to Android, have we looked at making Python viable there?
Are we facing lock-down on these machines or can we run Fedora/Sugar on 
a tablet without Android?


If I understand you, then Etoys no longer works on Fedora independent of 
Sugar.


If I understand James Cameron correctly, the benefits of the new web 
activities will not be available on XO-1 and XO-1.5.


This is getting to be a very distressing situation.

Tony


On 03/05/2015 12:43 AM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:


If we abandon etoys to maintain compatibility with Fedora,
what has the end-user gained?


We (SugarLabs) don't abandon etoys to maintain compatibility with Fedora.
Fedora request a change on etoys, but Bert (who maintains etoys) is 
working for free,

then we can't force him to dedicate hours to work on that.

Would a GSOC effort be better devoted to moving from Scratch 1
to Scratch 2 than rewriting imageviewer?


I don't know. Scratch 2 use Flash and need Adobe Air, then we need 
check how works in the XOs.

I have read Scratch team is working in HTML5 version, that would be great.

About rewrite imageviewer, if we want allow use Sugar to kids without 
XOs,we need move forward to HTML5/Js.

Maybe Image Viewer is not a prioritary activity,
but is a good task to introduce developers because is relatively easy.

Anyway the proposed tasks for GSoC are only a start, you can propose 
other, and we will need do a selection

when Google define how many projects will fund.

Gonzalo



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Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Caryl

Etoys is also supported by a web site: http://etoysillinois.org/ which 
is somewhat comparable to the Scratch site. If Etoys to Go works on an 
XO, then the contents of the usb drive could be copied to a folder on an 
XO and run from there. The 10 videos from Waveplace provide an 
approachable introduction to Etoys and are on the school server. 
Perhaps, some additional videos are needed to introduce other features. 
As Bert pointed out years ago, EToys has built in tutorial projects in 
addition to those at Illinois.


I am becoming more curious about this topic. Perhaps someone has some 
technical details on what Fedora has done to break etoys and why.


Tony


On 03/05/2015 02:44 AM, Caryl Bigenho wrote:


Hi...


Some thoughts about Etoys:   Tim Falconer and other folks at Waveplace 
(deployments around the Caribbean) have made excellent use of Etoys 
and have made a series of lessons about its use available at:


http://www.waveplace.com/courseware/basic-etoys/


However, I don't recall seeing anywhere that they use many other parts 
of Sugar with the students. So the question could become: does Etoys 
need to be packaged with Sugar.



Something to consider in answering the question is that Etoys is 
available in a very portable version as Etoys to Go: 
http://www.squeakland.org/download/ One nice feature about Etoys To Go 
is that you can put it on a thumb drive and move it from a Linux 
machine to a Windows machine to a Mac machine and the files will all 
be readable and usable! Also, it leaves nothing behind on the host 
machine. It is all on the usb drive!



We can thank Bert Freudenberg for that! I'm adding him to this 
conversation so he might be able to give us an update on the latest 
news from Etoys… is a version for Android and/or IOS coming that would 
also be as portable as the current Etoys To Go? Universal portability 
would be a wonderful goal (for Sugar too)!



Personally, like Sora, I have found the Etoys learning curve a bit 
steep. Once I did a workshop about Etoys To Go for a roomful of 
tech-saavy teachers. They just really didn't get it.  I also tried to 
contribute to a project where some folks were making some science 
lessons in Etoys… but found it really difficult to get it to do what I 
wanted it too.



Yet,  my favorite little ecology simulation is an Etoys featured 
project Fish And Plankton. It is great fun to experiment with and 
can teach some powerful lessons! 
http://www.squeakland.org/showcase/project.jsp?id=7303 Try letting it 
run overnight with different starting parameters and see what 
happens…. fun!



Caryl

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 13:43:01 -0300
From: godi...@sugarlabs.org
To: s...@unleashkids.org
CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; tkk...@nurturingasia.com; 
tony_ander...@usa.net

Subject: Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

If we abandon etoys to maintain compatibility with Fedora,
what has the end-user gained?


We (SugarLabs) don't abandon etoys to maintain compatibility with Fedora.
Fedora request a change on etoys, but Bert (who maintains etoys) is 
working for free,

then we can't force him to dedicate hours to work on that.

Would a GSOC effort be better devoted to moving from Scratch 1
to Scratch 2 than rewriting imageviewer?


I don't know. Scratch 2 use Flash and need Adobe Air, then we need 
check how works in the XOs.

I have read Scratch team is working in HTML5 version, that would be great.

About rewrite imageviewer, if we want allow use Sugar to kids without 
XOs,we need move forward to HTML5/Js.

Maybe Image Viewer is not a prioritary activity,
but is a good task to introduce developers because is relatively easy.

Anyway the proposed tasks for GSoC are only a start, you can propose 
other, and we will need do a selection

when Google define how many projects will fund.

Gonzalo


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[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Gonzalo

I am an old curmudgeon, so please excuse any bad email manners.

The Sugar development team has done a superb job of keeping up with the 
changing technologies.
My point is only that when Sugar is evaluated going forward, it will be 
on its success in delivering a superior
educational experience to school children, especially in the developing 
world.


The demonstrated success of XO deployments in dozens of languages dwarfs 
anything I am aware of from alternative platforms.
The insistence on open source and open educational resources enables our 
deployments to proceed without yearly intellectual property

fees.

Tony

On 03/04/2015 02:44 AM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Sebastian Silva 
sebast...@fuentelibre.org mailto:sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote:


El 03/03/15 a las 07:41, Gonzalo Odiard escibió:


This begs the question, what has changed between Sugar 0.82 and 0.104
that significantly improves the value of the XO in primary
school
education in the Give 1 world?


Ouch. Really? We worked for 5 years for nothing?

This reaction is not constructive. You could answer the question.


I have tried, but make a list of the work from all the people involved 
in 5 years is not a easy task.
The question is is true that work does not provide any significant 
value?
If that is true, then we should stop now, and dedicate our work to 
other business.
I am not in a classroom, then other could reply the question better 
than me.


Other thing people may be don't realize is better explained by Alice:

My dear, here we must run as fast as we can, just to stay in place.
And if you wish to go anywhere you must run twice as fast as that.
-- Lewis Carroll 
http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/8164.Lewis_Carroll, /Alice in 
Wonderland http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/2933712/


The technology changes, Google change the way their search page works,
and trigger a bug in Browse when used in a XO-1, we have Khan Academy and
a lot of other video resources and so. OLPC changed to arm devices and 
added touch
support, an all that required a lot of work. I don't know if looks 
like a excuse,

but all is part of the problem.

--
Gonzalo Odiard

SugarLabs - Software for children learning


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Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Gonzalo

My sense is that a lot of the work in the past seven years has been in 
keeping Sugar up to date with
the upstream system - getting Sugar as a desktop in Fedora was a major 
effort. As you point out, this effort
was essential. Moving to first-class support for html5/css/javascript is 
an important step.


Adding the Gnome Desktop has been very helpful in selling educators that 
the XO is an effective lead-in to their Windows Office oriented secondary
school curriculum. There have been many valuable additions to the 
library of Sugar Activities.


I just think we should ask more often - what will this change do to 
improve the educational outcomes of primary school children? If we mount 
a major effort to rewrite Sugar in Python 3 - what is the delivered 
benefit to the user? If we rewrite Turtle Blocks in 
html5/css3/javascript, how have we improved its capabilities in the 
classroom? If we abandon etoys to maintain compatibility with Fedora, 
what has the end-user gained? Would a GSOC effort be better devoted to 
moving from Scratch 1 to Scratch 2 than rewriting imageviewer?


Tony


On 03/03/2015 08:41 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:


This begs the question, what has changed between Sugar 0.82 and 0.104
that significantly improves the value of the XO in primary school
education in the Give 1 world?


Ouch. Really? We worked for 5 years for nothing?


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Re: [IAEP] Note-taking

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Sora

Yes. The 'library' portion of the schoolserver uses a Django app to 
create a database of 'accessions', items in the library. These are 
organized into collections and then further into topics. As an example,
a course is in the db as a topic, a unit in the course is a collection, 
and a lesson is an accession (a zipped folder).


An accession can be any file (hence the zip). I hope to expand this 
system so that books in the OLE Nepal Pustakalaya, Gutenberg books, and 
books in Rachel can be added as accessions (instead of a file name, the 
db record would point to a url).


The idea would be that a comments on a book (accession) would be linked 
from the accession record.
There is also a Django app (kls), which provides a record for each XO 
user (student or staff) and a record for each XO (inventory). The 
comments made by a user would be linked also to the user. In this way it 
would be easy to look at all comments and rankings by a user or to look 
at all comments and rankings for a given item in the library.


The library contains Sugar activities, audio recordings, video 
recordings, images and lessons, as well as ebooks so ther more generic 
term accession appears useful.


Like most of my projects, this one is 90% complete. The comment link is 
needed. I plan the comments/rankings to look like those in Pustakalaya 
(www.pustakalaya.org). Unfortunately, that app currently only works in 
the internet version. I also have not added the 'url' links capability 
to add other items. Look at Rachel as an example of how the Gutenberg 
collection could be organized into collections for greater accessibility 
(by the way, this sort of direct link is far less demanding on the 
server than the current search method).


Yours,

Tony
On 02/22/2015 09:42 AM, James Simmons wrote:

Sora,

The goodreads website https://www.goodreads.com might be useful. You 
can do rankings of books, reviews, have threaded discussions, post 
favorite quotes, interact with G+ and Facebook, and other things that 
the words reading socially would suggest.


I wrote a free book the might be of some use to you:

https://archive.org/details/EBookEnlightenment

It is also available on the web. Here is the chapter on the Pathagar 
book server, which might be of interest:


http://en.flossmanuals.net/e-book-enlightenment/the-pathagar-book-server/

James Simmons


On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Sora Edwards-Thro 
s...@unleashkids.org mailto:s...@unleashkids.org wrote:


Thanks for the additional input, everyone. James, Gonzalo, Tony,
some responses below:

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:14 PM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com
mailto:nices...@gmail.com wrote:

The catch is it only works with plain text files.


Yes, my original thought was we could convert PDF to plain-text
files and just use the Write activity to do highlights and such.
But, some of the content we're working with is not OER (that's
what happens when you need high-quality books in a specific
language), and I'm not sure if they'll be okay with us
manipulating the files like that. We've got to choose how many
battles to fight with them. Thanks for passing this tool on -
looks like it's better suited than the Write activity for reading.

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Gonzalo Odiard
godi...@sugarlabs.org mailto:godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

I am available to work (on contract) in these features if
you are interested.


Thank you for the offer, Gonzalo. Fortunately, we do have some
money raised to pay programmers. Right now I'm just trying to
identify which tasks to ask people to tackle. Bear in mind that
this is my first experience with software development; thanks for
being patient,everyone, as we try to figure out what is and isn't
doable, and what is and isn't worth doing.

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Tony Anderson
tony_ander...@usa.net mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net wrote:

Also on the list is a 'comments' capability so that learners
can make comments and give rankings for the books they read
from the school server library and which would be linked to
the book entry on the school server.


Do you currently have a system in place for organizing books on
the schoolserver? I know on the Haiti IIAB release we have a
searchable copy of Project Gutenberg; I don't know how easy it is
to add entries to that. In the past, we just added books by
creating another link that goes to a page with a list of the PDF
files available. But since we're looking at adding at least 300
more books, plus whatever the texts the students are able to
write, so searching  by title would be nice / necessary. We're
also looking for sorting by level and topic. Finally, the ability
to comment and give rankings is essential if you want students to
start reading socially. If you've made / plan

Re: [IAEP] Note-taking

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Sora

I have been using zim desktop wiki. I think it would fit this 
application very well. It installs and runs on

all versions of XO.

Download zim-0.62.tar.gz from the Zim Desktop WIki site.

I have attached the sugar activity that I am using to launch zim from 
the Sugar side. It is installed

as a native application on the gnome side.

The Sugar activity includes some capabilities needed with the school 
server. Ideally, it for your case, it would just launch the zim program. 
As it works now, you launch the activity and then click on the zim 
button in the toolbar.


Zim saves the notes in /home/olpc/Notebook/Notes. The notes are saved 
automatically.


Unfortunately, sharing the notes involves more use of the file system 
than Sugar makes visible.


The upload button on the toolbar works with a modified Browse to upload 
notes to the schoolserver. This really won't be much use to you (it 
still needs work in my context).


One approach would be use the save a copy in the file menu to save a 
note to /home/olpc/Documents. The Journal activity then has the 
capability to copy the note to the Journal itself or to a usb key. The 
note is saved as a plain/text file. Another option is to export the note 
as html, again to /home/olpc/Documents. This html file could be copied 
to the Journal or to a usb drive.


The poor man's approach I am using now is to use the print to browser 
option in the file menu. This shows the note in html in the Browse 
activity. This can be copied to the clipboard and saved to the Write 
activity.


I hope to implement a more seamless approach by using Zim's plugin 
facility, but at the moment it is on the list - to do someday.


Also on the list is a 'comments' capability so that learners can make 
comments and give rankings for the books they read from the school 
server library and which would be linked to the book entry on the school 
server.


Tony

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 00:58:34 -0500
From: Sora Edwards-Thros...@unleashkids.org
To: IAEP SugarLabsiaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: [IAEP] Note-taking
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Hi all,

For our upcoming literacy project in Haiti, we'd like users to have the
ability to take notes on books while they're reading them - basic things
like highlighting, drawing arrows and such, or leaving text comments. It
would be nice if they could then save those notes.

I'm guessing many of the books we are using will be available as ePub or
PDF. I know the XO activity Read supports those formats, but I don't think
it has all the features listed above.

So, should we be looking to modify the Read activity or modify the texts
themselves, in order to enable those features for readers?

Thanks for the advice, everyone!

Sora




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[Tony Anderson]

Oops! I forgot to include the install script:

tar -xvf zim-0.62.tar.gz
cd zim-0.62
sudo python setup.py install
cd -
rm -rf zim-0.62
sugar-install-bundle zim-4.xo

The easy way is to use a 4GB usb drive (with 1-2GB free). Suppose the 
drive label is XYZ.

Copy the tarball to this drive. Copy zim-4.xo as well.

On an XO, open the Terminal activity (may not be a favorite - so launch 
from list view)
You will see the prompt line ending in '$'. Enter the following commands 
(omitting the $ which is there to show that the command follows the $ 
prompt.) The # introduces a comment, so don't type the # or the text 
following


$cd /run/media/olpc/XYZ #XYZ is the usb drive label, on older builds, cd 
/media/XYZ may work.

$nano zim-install $nano is a simple text editor

Paste the script in the blank area, nano requires 'ctrl' + 'V', not 
'ctrl' + 'v' (i.e. ctrl+shift+v)


Enter 'ctrl' + 'x' to quit nano (answer Y to save the file).

$cat zim-install #shows the content of the file to verify all is well

$bash zim-install #runs the script

The install takes a few minutes and displays a lot of messages.

You can execute zim in the Gnome Desktop (should be in accessories).

You can execute it from the Terminal activity:

$zim

You can launch the zim activity (should be in favorites). After it 
launches, click on the word zim in the toolbar.


Since zim is not a native Sugar activity, there will be two icons on the 
frame: the zim icon and a grey circle. The grey circle shows the Zim 
screen, the icon shows the Zim activity screen. To quit zim, use the 
quit in the file menu or the 'x' in the top right corner. Normally, this 
will show the Zim activity screen. The normal quit button in the toolbar 
will terminate the activity.


The web site is http://zim-wiki.org/. There is also a built-in manual 
(click on help in the Zim toolbar and click on the contents option).


Yours,

Tony


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Hi, Sora

I have been using zim desktop wiki. I think it would fit this
application very well. It installs and runs on
all versions of XO.


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Re: [IAEP] Note-taking

[Tony Anderson]

Hi Sora,

There needs to be a database of XO users (both students and staff). The 
staff can then have 'teacher' priviliges. The system will also know what 
grade the student is in and so what course material is relevant.


My plan is that where XO's are shared, that each user should go to the 
'About Me' and change the nick to their username. The advantage is that 
no extra programming is required and the system will be restarted 
(terminating activities started by a previous user as well as 
registering the new nick).


Naturally, where there is a single user, the username and the user nick 
would be the same.


Essentially what is happening is that the activity stores a session 
record showing when an activity was started, stopped, and what outcome 
was recorded (simplest, it was run). The session records are captured on 
the school server and displayed to the teacher. The model for this is 
the coach report in Khan Academy Lite.


A credible representation of what is available on the school server is 
now available at http:www.projectbernie.org.


I would recommend the English Children's Literature collection from OLE 
Nepal's Pustakalaya and the
'stories' in the English Learning for Kids from the British Council 
(example of audio with text). The school server also has a collection of 
40 more stories not on the web site.


Synchronizing the audio with text is difficult. There is a capability 
called SMIL (smile) which has this capability but I have not had time 
enough to get it working. My thought was to have reading work similar to 
Karaoke.


Incidentally, the Talk English component on the school server also 
provides a wide range of simple English text associated with audio clips.


Tony

On 02/23/2015 01:19 PM, Sora Edwards-Thro wrote:

Thanks, Tony and James. Replies to both your messages below:

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 8:42 PM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com 
mailto:nices...@gmail.com wrote


The goodreads website https://www.goodreads.com
https://www.goodreads.com/ might be useful.


Yes, and features like getting recommendations about what to read 
based on what you've already liked and being able to add books to a 
want to read list would be great. I especially like the want to 
read list because it implies it gives you a way to identify something 
as interesting and then move on instead of feeling obligated to dive 
right into it. Of course, the experience of downloading a text to your 
computer's journal to read later might replicate that.



I wrote a free book the might be of some use to you:

https://archive.org/details/EBookEnlightenment


 Thanks for passing this on! I ended up reading through the whole 
thing because everything inside is relevant to this project (even the 
parts on scanning in paper books).


A few questions:
You mention that the text-to-speech works for plain text and ePubs; 
does that mean it doesn't work for PDFs? I would test this on my 
personal XO, but I'm waiting for my charger to arrive in the mail...


On another note, at one point you mention that in the Read Etexts 
activity highlighting may lag behind the words being spoken. Does 
this activity actually highlight the words as the computer is reading 
them? Using the text-to-speech function built into the Frame of later 
versions of Sugar, I haven't seen it do that.


On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Tony Anderson tony_ander...@usa.net 
mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net wrote:


Hi, Sora

The idea would be that a comments on a book (accession) would be
linked from the accession record.
There is also a Django app (kls), which provides a record for each
XO user (student or staff) and a record for each XO (inventory).
The comments made by a user would be linked also to the user. In
this way it would be easy to look at all comments and rankings by
a user or to look at all comments and rankings for a given item in
the library.


Sounds great. It's good to hear that accessions can be linked to one 
another; that also got me thinking about how we can accommodate books 
accompanied with audio on the server. Currently, when students want to 
listen to audio for a book, they have to start the audio in a separate 
window and then flip back to the book to read along. It isn't too much 
of a hassle, but it would be nice if it was easier.


Would you provide a log-on for each user? With our particular course 
we'll be enrolling only 20 students in each class, so everyone will 
have access to their own XO and will use the same computer each day. 
We figured that means we can skip a log-in step and just identify 
teachers and students by the computer they're using to access the 
server. I know other deployments are using the same set of XOs for the 
whole school, so they might need a log-in; we're just hoping to have 
one less page for students / teachers to click through before class 
can start.



Like most of my projects, this one is 90% complete. The comment

Re: [IAEP] Planning for the future

[Tony Anderson]

This is certainly a vital topic for many of us.

I have been hands-on with a number of deployments. In the case of 
Rwanda, a lot of money has been invested in an effort to provide a 
laptop to every elementary school child in the country. I feel that 
project needs any support we can give it to ensure that that investment 
has a positive return. In other deployments, individuals or small groups 
have donated funds to acquire a set of laptops for a specific school. I 
feel that investment needs to be protected. In Nepal, OLE Nepal has done 
remarkable things focused on making the OLPC laptops as valuable as 
possible to the schools where they are deployed. That effort also needs 
to get a maximum return.


In the computer field, it is obvious that a specific computer model has 
a limited lifetime. Most models remain on the market for less than three 
years (a shrinking time-scale as manufacturers want you to buy the next 
big thing). in actual use, computers probably have a life more like 5-7 
years. In educational use, they are used until they stop working since 
the school has no way to get more.


With SOAS, SugarLabs recognized this and sought a way to make Sugar 
viable on other hardware. Again, in the computer field, software has a 
much longer lifetime than hardware. (Our firmware is written in Forth). 
Will there be anything recognizable as Sugar running on computer 
hardware in 2020?


A critical part of the OLPC experience has been the insistence on open 
source and open educational resources. The intent is not only to enable 
a volunteer community to contribute but also so that the recipients of 
the laptops are not confronted with a bill for use of the software and 
educational content.
What happens to this if the only viable software is WIndows, IOS, and 
Android?


One thing that is certain is that by 2020 school children will have 
computing devices. What will those devices due to help them to a better 
education? Most probably, they will help them get better scores on 
high-stake exams. This has been the uniform criteria used to measure the 
success of OLPC deployments.


Personally, my hope is that this community will produce a viable 
educational alternative for community schools (with limited access to 
the internet) to the purchase of software and educational content from 
the educational industry. An alternative in the sense that Linux 
distributions offer a viable alternative to Windows, IOS, and Android.


There are some very favorable developments. One is the increasing focus 
in the XSCE community on content and educational resources. The 
contributions of Khan Academy (especially Lite), IIAB, Rachel, and OLE 
Nepal are invaluable. The continued contributions of educators such as 
Sora Edwards-Thro are also invaluable (I should name countless others, 
but if I try I will do an injustice).


It is possible that new hardware such as the XO Infinity will breathe a 
few more years of life into the project (particularly if it supports 
Fedora/Sugar builds).


Anyway, one can try to keep the vision.

Yours,

Tony

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 18:36:34 -0500
From: Samuel Greenfeldsam...@greenfeld.org
To: IAEP SugarLabsiaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: [IAEP] Planning for the future
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Disclaimer: The following are my views, and not the views of my current or
past employers.

About a year ago, I privately expressed concern that Sugar needed to ensure
it had long-term sponsorship and a long-term user base.

Since then, both the historical US-based OLPC organization and Sugar Labs
have not publicly said much about their long-term plans, with OLPC also
being rather closemouthed about the present.

Meanwhile contributors silently leave.  It is hard to justify volunteering
when you don't know who will benefit besides mysterious customers.

Everyone seems happy to cite their past successes.  No one corrects the
press when they report stale information in their favor.


There is no shame in being a smaller project.  But we need to ask the hard
questions.  With Sugar, getting users and developers for a niche platform
is a problem.  With OLPC, everyone seems to love repeating the 2 or 2.5
million number for laptops historically shipped.  Rarely is it asked how
many XOs been shipped in the past year or are in active use  where.

Sugar  OLPC need to come up with long-term strategies.  While there is
nothing public I have seen stopping One Education's XO Infinity from
running Sugar, I haven't seen anything stopping it from running anything
else.  It is also unclear how much One Education is willing to engage with
the historical Sugar  OLPC communities (or how much they can tell us at
this time).


Historically there have been many philosophical questions like Does there
need to be a physical machine? and Have 

Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 84, Issue 42

[Tony Anderson]

As the story points out, these are problems that were and are well 
known. One of the largest problems in Rwanda is that only 250 schools 
were found in the initial deployment that had electricity. This is a 
problem that has hampered deployment of the laptops from the beginning. 
The focus of the OLPC organization has been primarily on acquiring the 
laptops and getting them distributed (the numbers show the magnitude of 
this problem).


The primary root result is that the laptops are not used to the extent 
they should be. As you can see from the story, the capabilities of the 
laptops are not an issue.


Tony

On 03/24/2015 12:00 AM, iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote:

At?http://allafrica.com/stories/201503190336.html  ?they are reporting that the 
OLPC program is getting worse results than expected. They will be dropping XOs 
for another device.


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[IAEP] Update to ProjectBernie

[Tony Anderson]

The Project Bernie website has been updated (www.projectbernie.org).

This site provides a representative view of what a school server loaded 
from BERNIE provides

to an XO at a deployment.

The update releases the first edition of the 'hands-on computing' 
courses in the Explore section of the Class page.
There is an introductory course that introduces the Bash shell in the 
Terminal Activity, shows how to navigate the file system, and use the 
nano text editor. It is expected that learners would work their way 
through this one before beginning one of the tracks.


There are three tracks each introducing a text programming language: 
Python, Shell Scripts, and Javascript (with HTML5 and CSS3).


There are two proposed projects for GSOC15 which are intended to augment 
the Web Technology track: Web Confusion - the first course and 
Interactive Javascript Shell - the second course.


I would appreciate any feedback so that the offerings can be made more 
useful. Special thanks to Al Sweigart (http://inventwithpython.com/) for 
his three books on Python for kids, William Shotts 
(http://linuxcommand.org) for The Linux Command Line, and Evan Goer for 
The Pocket HTML Tutorial http://www.goer.org/HTML/ which they have 
made available under a Creative Commons License.


Tony
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Re: [IAEP] Update to ProjectBernie - Oops!

[Tony Anderson]

I have received instant feedback from Lionel Laske and John Gilmore - 
thanks.


The site was broken (course in Python track on Hacking Ciphers and first 
course in Web track. The problem has been resolved.

The course in the Python track on Pygame is still broken, working on it.

Sorry,

Tony

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Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Update to ProjectBernie

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Sanchit

Since the deployment does not have access to the internet, challenges 
will need to be designed in advance and installed on the school server 
(via BERNIE or download from the internet (e.g. to a usb key).


I plan to try elgg on the school server to give a social media 
environment local to the deployment.


Tony

On 04/18/2015 11:21 AM, Sanchit Kapoor wrote:

Hi,

I understand that Project Bernie will help those people who don't have 
access to the internet but still I was thinking that we could provide 
a Forum or Q  A sort of portal where users can clear their doubts, if 
any, or better yet let them give suggestions to improve the site as well?


The users will also be learning how to create basic sugar activities 
so we could use this to organize some sort of monthly competitive 
event based on what they are learning (python, javascript, html, 
english, history). We can let the teachers in the school create 
quizzes and host the quiz on the school server. The question is what 
type of contest it can be. I think if the deployment is used on a 
school server this can be achieved. Just a suggestion, though.


Thanks

On 17 April 2015 at 13:11, Richa Sehgal richasehgal2...@gmail.com 
mailto:richasehgal2...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,

I was very busy with labs and assignments over the past few days,
and would like to apologize for not replying sooner.

Great efforts! I tried different things and would like to discuss
some of these:

I tried opening the 4 sections of Python Programming. So, for
Inventing your own games with Python and Making Games with
Python and Pygames, the link opens and shows the index. But the
internal links of this index are all showing Internal Server Error.

The section Hacking Secret Ciphers with Python, is opening and
the links within are also working. All the text is displayed but
the images are not showing up.

In the command line section, all the links are showing:
Internal Server Error.
The Web technology section looks good! But as has been stated,
there are three options on the top of the page, Prev, Index
and next. And the Index link takes us back to the original
starting page http://www.projectbernie.org/;. While it should
take us back to the chapters page.

Some of the chapters have attachments. But when I tried to open
them, it showed You don't have permission to access on this server.

Eloquent Javascript is opening pretty nicely. But the Exercise
Hints page says that The hints below might help when you are
stuck with one of the exercises in this book. But there is
nothing written below that.

Thanks
Richa


On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Tony Anderson
tony_ander...@usa.net mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net wrote:

That's about right. The school servers are located at
deployments which do not have access to the internet and so
must rely on open educational resources which can be hosted
locally. The proectbernie site is intended to show what
content is available from the school server loaded from the
BERNIE hard drive. Naturally, this is done by linking to the
source site on the internet. At the deployment,streaming is
minimized, instead videos are downloaded to the XO laptops so
that they can be viewed independent of the school server,
e.g.when a user takes the laptop home beyond the range of the
local area network.

Tony


On 04/14/2015 10:31 PM, DancesWithCars wrote:


It would seem representative of is different from streaming
700 gig to whomever, so maybe it is a menu frontend to see
what is on the menu, then you order the 1T drive, it arrives,
then you have the videos...

On Apr 14, 2015 9:13 AM, Vibhor Sehgal
sehgalvib...@gmail.com mailto:sehgalvib...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

I visited Introduction to Web Technology  under the Web
Technology  track.
(http://www.projectbernie.org/explore/web.html)

I chose the first chapter Getting Started,  competed all
the sections. I was navigating to next section through a 
next option on top of the page.  It has a prev/index/next

option.  On the last section of first chapter,  when i
wanted to go to the next chapter Markup basics , the next
option was not working.  I clicked on the index option,
thinking it will take me back to the list of chapters
page( http://www.projectbernie.org/explore/web.html),
however it took me to the home page
(http://www.projectbernie.org/
http://www.projectbernie.org/).
So i again had to go to the list of chapters page to
select the new Markup basics chapter.

Maybe,  this could be improved and a hyperlink direct

Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 85, Issue 18

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

I also stumbled on this: 
http://www.raspberrypi.org/benton-park-live-coding-orchestra-the-planets/. 
Sounds good.


Tony

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 09:24:18 +0200
From: Christophe Gu?retchristophe.gue...@dans.knaw.nl
To: Liste OLPC IAEPiaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: [IAEP] Laptop kit
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Hello,

Some of you must already have seen that but I thought I would share anyway,
just in case;-)

http://gizmodo.com/this-kit-lets-you-build-a-functioning-laptop-out-of-a-r-1696390218

Sounds pretty cool!

Christophe


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Re: [IAEP] The Deconstruction of the K-12 Teacher.

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Sebastian

Interesting, this author sees what we are trying to do as facilitating 
the terrible future in which teachers are robots.


The missing ingredient, of course, is education. The best teachers I 
encountered in school had the wide perspective of an educated

person that enabled them to movtivate students to explore.

Consider the golf coach. His expertise is not in playing golf (or he 
would be on the tour). His expertise is in recognizing the problems players
are having with their game and recommending ways to solve these problems 
by practice or by using new techniques. The golf coach is unlikely to

be replaced by a robot.

For me, the problem is that society has forgotten that it's about 
education, not training. A teacher is not an expert but a motivator and 
a door-opener.


Tony



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 10:32:23 -0500
From: Sebastian Silvasebast...@fuentelibre.org
To: iaepiaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: [IAEP] The Deconstruction of the K-12 Teacher.
Message-ID:553e5687.9060...@fuentelibre.org
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Dear IAEP,
I recently read a fascinating article: The Deconstruction of the K-12
Teacher.

It discusses current trends in the 1rst world with regard to online
education and the role of teachers.

As a parent-teacher who is active promoting freedom in software and
other human values, I find the discussion invaluable in envisioning
appropriate solutions that is appropriate for our children in a rural
context.

///I don?t have many answers in this brave new world, but I feel like I
can draw one firm line. There is a profound difference between a local
expert teacher using the Internet and all its resources to supplement
and improve his or her lessons, and a teacher facilitating the
educational plans of massive organizations. Why isn?t this line being
publicly and sharply delineated, or even generally discussed?/

This is why, in the context of educating with computers, Free Software
is of/vital/  importance.

The same question Michael Godsey raises is our very reason to be.

The usage of digital tools is not innocent, it implies a commitment and
a model and even contractual requirements, for example limitations on
use and redistribution, etc.

Here's the full article:
http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/03/the-deconstruction-of-the-k-12-teacher/388631/?single_page=true

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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 85, Issue 13

[Tony Anderson]

You are a troll according to the Wiktionary definition of 'to troll': 
(to post inflammatory material so as) to attempt to lure others into 
combative argument for purposes of personal entertainment and/or 
gratuitous disruption, especially in an online community or discussion.



Tony

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 20:58:26 +0300
From: Dan Tenasondan.tena...@mail.ru
To: iaepiaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: [IAEP] Sugar Numbers
Message-ID:1429207106.703407...@f401.i.mail.ru
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  A few weeks ago I raised the question about how phrase three million daily 
users was calculated. The general line of thought in a thread on sugar-devel 
was we don't know but we think it is an optimistic figure based on the total 
number of laptops OLPC produced. Further analysis is hard and we can't be 
bothered to do it. Furthermore, anyone who questions the number is a troll.

It would seem natural that an education project which promotes critical 
thinking would substantiate its own claims. If any organization tries ?to bury 
the numbers, one should ask why they are doing so.

-- Dan Tenason


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Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Update to ProjectBernie

[Tony Anderson]

That's about right. The school servers are located at deployments which 
do not have access to the internet and so must rely on open educational 
resources which can be hosted locally. The proectbernie site is intended 
to show what content is available from the school server loaded from the 
BERNIE hard drive. Naturally, this is done by linking to the source site 
on the internet. At the deployment,streaming is minimized, instead 
videos are downloaded to the XO laptops so that they can be viewed 
independent of the school server, e.g.when a user takes the laptop home 
beyond the range of the local area network.


Tony

On 04/14/2015 10:31 PM, DancesWithCars wrote:


It would seem representative of is different from streaming 700 gig 
to whomever, so maybe it is a menu frontend to see what is on the 
menu, then you order the 1T drive, it arrives, then you have the videos...


On Apr 14, 2015 9:13 AM, Vibhor Sehgal sehgalvib...@gmail.com 
mailto:sehgalvib...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,

I visited Introduction to Web Technology  under the Web
Technology  track. (http://www.projectbernie.org/explore/web.html)

I chose the first chapter Getting Started, competed all the
sections. I was navigating to next section through a  next option
on top of the page.  It has a prev/index/next option.  On the last
section of first chapter,  when i wanted to go to the next chapter
Markup basics , the next option was not working.  I clicked on the
index option, thinking it will take me back to the list of
chapters page( http://www.projectbernie.org/explore/web.html),
however it took me to the home page (http://www.projectbernie.org/
http://www.projectbernie.org/).
So i again had to go to the list of chapters page to select the
new Markup basics chapter.

Maybe,  this could be improved and a hyperlink direct to the list
of chapters (http://www.projectbernie.org/explore/web.html) can be
provided on the last section of the chapter or every page in the
chapter, so that students can select and change the chapter easily.

Secondly, Eloquent javascript chapters are giving Internal server
errors.  I tried first few,  they were all giving errors.

Thanks
Vibhor

On Apr 14, 2015 2:11 PM, Tony Anderson tony_ander...@usa.net
mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net wrote:

The Project Bernie website has been updated
(www.projectbernie.org http://www.projectbernie.org).

This site provides a representative view of what a school
server loaded from BERNIE provides
to an XO at a deployment.

The update releases the first edition of the 'hands-on
computing' courses in the Explore section of the Class page.
There is an introductory course that introduces the Bash shell
in the Terminal Activity, shows how to navigate the file
system, and use the nano text editor. It is expected that
learners would work their way through this one before
beginning one of the tracks.

There are three tracks each introducing a text programming
language: Python, Shell Scripts, and Javascript (with HTML5
and CSS3).

There are two proposed projects for GSOC15 which are intended
to augment the Web Technology track: Web Confusion - the first
course and Interactive Javascript Shell - the second course.

I would appreciate any feedback so that the offerings can be
made more useful. Special thanks to Al Sweigart
(http://inventwithpython.com/) for his three books on Python
for kids, William Shotts (http://linuxcommand.org) for The
Linux Command Line, and Evan Goer for “The Pocket HTML
Tutorial http://www.goer.org/HTML/” which they have made
available under a Creative Commons License.

Tony


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Re: [IAEP] [XSCE] RE: [UKids] Re: [support-gang] Taking, OpenStreetMap Offline - DESIGN Call - Thur June 11, 10AM EDT / 2PM UTC

[Tony Anderson]

There seem to be two independent problems.


First, make an updated version of the IIAB OSM. The goal is to 
understand what are the computer requirements to do this and how long it 
takes and then be able to make a new version whenever needed.


Second, make available more detail than IIAB OSM provides for a region 
selected by a deployment while allowing the user (learner) to display, 
edit, and save it as a new map from this data.


On the first problem, I am confused. I would guess the job is cpu 
intensive. However, many comments about SSD suggest it is i/o limited. 
In a former life, I
worked on parallel programming in which the technical problem was to 
overlap disk i/o with computing. One thread bringing the data for the 
next case into memory while the processor worked on the current case. 
The trick was to determine the size of data needed to keep the processor 
busy and not waiting on i/o. The goal was to overlap i/o with processing 
to minimize processor idle time.


I assume the processing of the world can be broken down into independent 
pieces (e.g. one tile at the global zoom level). The experiment with 
Nepal should show the processing time required as well as the disk i/o 
time.


Based on that information, the work plan would be to load the global 
data on hard drive and then set up double buffered pipelines from hard 
disk to SSD to memory which can keep the processor busy.


On the second, it is not clear that the greater detail needs to be OSM 
tiles. Something like Nick's map.activity/mappack with the map data on 
the school server (separate from OSM) and a client application (Sugar or 
Sugar-web or html) accessing the data, displaying it, and enabling the 
learner to add to it (à la GIS). After discovering that umapper is not 
umap, umap is clearly open source and could be a good base for the 
client application.


This application should be able to get data from the school server and, 
as always, it should be possible for the learner to do meaningful work 
when not connected to the schoolserver or internet. Thia means knowing 
what data the learner needs to display and edit a map locally (even 
though the local store may be as low as 1GB) and how to specify that 
data to be downloaded to the Journal when connected.


Tony

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I don't think there's any technical issues with rendering the world at 10
and specific countries at 16, other than the human knowing where they can
and cannot zoom

-- Nick

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com wrote:


couple of observations:



As expected, the new tiles have a lot more detail.



There are more levels of zoom in the new ones.



Some names have changed - the old map had Lalitpur and the new one has
Patan (both are used)



I don't see any boxes for unprintable characters, but there is a lot less
Devanagari. (Google maps has more)



Is it possible to merge individually generated regional tiles?  for
example if you rendered India and Nepal separately would you get both?



What happens if you render the world at level 10 and then specific
countries at 16?



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Re: [IAEP] Motion to adopt the 2016 vision for Sugar Labs

[Tony Anderson]

I believe Sugar is intended to enable a computer to provide enhanced 
educational opportunities; especially to those who have limited access to
the Internet. One goal of Sugar is to bring to reality the educational 
concepts of Seymour Papert and Alan Kay.


Tony

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 08:57:29 -0600
From: Dave Crossland
To: Laura Vargas
Cc: iaep, SLOBs
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Motion to adopt the 2016 vision for Sugar Labs
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Hi

I understood that the one-liner statement is a 'mission statement,'
and the 'vision statement' is the longer text that expresses the
details implied by the mission, the high level goals, and more
specific values.

The article you mention,
https://www.executestrategy.net/blog/write-good-vision-statement  , has
a good 'funnel' diagram showing this, with blocks for "values."

Here's a nice list of non profit mission statements:
https://topnonprofits.com/examples/nonprofit-mission-statements/

So I propose to adopt the following statement as the mission
statement, starting from your text and taking Sean's comments into
account:

To be a welcoming global community where anyone can learn how to
develop high-quality libre software that facilitates learning through
self-discovery and collaboration among young children of all
continents, and to make that software easily available to learners and
teachers.

Cheers
Dave


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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 99, Issue 16

[Tony Anderson]

Dave

Please compare the current version with the original proposed by Lionel 
Laske or yours before the goals were separated from the Vision or the
one proposed by Laura. Do you think that there is wide-spread agreement 
on the statement or that there has been no change in the past two

months?

When a motion fails to achieve a second, there is a reason. After 
discussion and rewriting, the motion to distribute funds to the mentors 
got my

second immediately.

The purpose of the Board meeting is to conduct the business of Sugar 
Labs. Note: at the last meeting, the emphasis on voting on a series of 
motions

resulted in no report from the Translation Community Manager.

Tony

On 06/05/2016 07:02 AM, Dave Crossland wrote:


Hi

On 4 June 2016 at 03:35, Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net 
<mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net>> wrote:


This discussion of procedures misses the point. Board meetings are
not for the purpose of voting yea/nea on motions.


What do you think the purposes of the board meetings are, then?

A majority of the Board members commented on these motions before
the meeting. These comments were consistent with the comments made
at the meeting with a couple of exceptions. We need to come to a
consensus on the motions before they are presented to the Board.


I disagree completely :) This is not a Quaker Meeting House! :) 
Consensus is explicitly not required: Motions can pass if 1 board 
member is willing to second the motion and 4 affirmative votes 
(majority of 7 seats) are made.


With the exception of motions to authorize payments, I don't see
that any of these motions have an urgency that justifies their
being passed immediately nor any harm to Sugar Labs resulting from
their not being passed on June 3.


I suggest you refer to Walter's email to understand the harm that has 
been done.


I appreciate the work and enthusiasm that you have brought to the
Vision motion. However, I don't understand your apparent
insensitivity to the obvious fact that these issues are very
important to the community and deserve the time needed to obtain
community understanding and commitment.

You have provided a valuable framework in which to have these
discussions and that is a major contribution. I hope that when the
community discussion has reached consensus on the wording of a
vision statement that you will be happy with the result and proud
of your contribution to it.


The community has had TWO MONTHS to get involved so far. How much time 
do you think is needed?


Perhaps I should be drafting a 2017 vision?

--
Cheers
Dave


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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 99, Issue 16

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Dave

This discussion of procedures misses the point. Board meetings are not 
for the purpose of voting yea/nea on motions. A majority of the Board 
members
commented on these motions before the meeting. These comments were 
consistent with the comments made at the meeting with a couple of 
exceptions.


We need to come to a consensus on the motions before they are presented 
to the Board. With the exception of motions to authorize payments, I 
don't see that any of these motions have an urgency that justifies their 
being passed immediately nor any harm to Sugar Labs resulting from their 
not being passed on June 3.


I appreciate the work and enthusiasm that you have brought to the Vision 
motion. However, I don't understand your apparent insensitivity to the 
obvious fact that these issues are very important to the community and 
deserve the time needed to obtain community understanding and commitment.


You have provided a valuable framework in which to have these 
discussions and that is a major contribution. I hope that when the 
community discussion has reached consensus on the wording of a vision 
statement that you will be happy with the result and proud of your 
contribution to it.


Tony

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 21:42:41 -0600
From: Dave Crossland
To: Walter Bender
Cc: iaep, SLOBs
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to vote on each motion proposed by
a   member
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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 99, Issue 60

[Tony Anderson]

I had a chance to skim through the log of this meeting.

I believe the discussion overlooks a fundamental point. The XOs (and 
particularly the XO-1s) are primarily deployed in
the developing world (Latin America and Africa). The schools have these 
laptops as donations or as purchases by their
government. Schools, in general, do not have funds to replace computers. 
They will just do without.


We must continue to provide an XO solution (including XO-1 which 
represents a plurality of the machines shipped). It really doesn't
matter in choosing a computer supports the latest gtk or webkit2 when 
the alternative is no computer at all. If we abandon support
for the XO, we present the user with static software which will continue 
to work as long as the hardware survives. However, it will
not be able to take advantage of any new capability that Sugar Labs 
develops.


I think we should recognize our obligation to support users of the XO as 
long as they are in use. This will probably mean that we
need to split ASLO to identify Sugar activities that won't work on the 
XO (and try to make as many new capabilities available for the

XO even if that means two versions).

Also, while I agree that supporting Chromebooks or other computers 
generally available in the marketplace is a valuable direction, we need to
be cautious. Currently, computer manufacturers have a two-year product 
life from announcement to end of production. They assume that
computers will be replaced after five years. Their interest is in 
shortening these cycles. The smartphone folks seem to want this cycle to 
be one

year and to take back the previous year's computer to get it off the market.

In this context, I think adopting a reference design or assuming that 
older computers can be recycled will just repeat the issues with the XO.


Sugar has an interesting structure. There is Sugar (now being referred 
to as a desktop which is ironic since the Sugar HIG were intended to
replace the desktop metaphor) and the Sugar activities. The real value 
of Sugar is the library of activities (and the capabilities they offer
through Sugar features such as the Journal, Collaboration, and HIG). 
Perhaps we could fork Sugar with a 0.106 baseline for the XO and a 0.110
baseline for other platforms. Then we could have ASLO represent which 
activities work with each of the two versions.


Perhaps, we could call one version Sugar XO and the other Sugar desktop.

I am also struck by the reaction to the offer of 172 XO-1s on ebay. My 
curiosity is to know the provenance of these XOs. They are clearly from a
deployment (charging racks). Where were they deployed? Why did the 
deployment render them surplus? What has that deployment done instead?


If we can finance the purchase, we should certainly do it. Out of 172 
units we could probably get 50% working. The spare parts can be very 
helpful
to deployments still trying to keep an inventory of XO-1s working 
(replace screens, keyboards, batteries, and so on).


Tony



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Today's Topics:

1. Re: 172 XO-1s for $24 each (+ freight) $4,000 total
   (Dave Crossland)
2. Sugar Labs Vision Discussion in 6 hours (Dave Crossland)
3. Re: 172 XO-1s for $24 each (+ freight) $4,000 total (Sean DALY)
4. Re: 172 XO-1s for $24 each (+ freight) $4,000 total
   (Dave Crossland)


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On 14 June 2016 at 09:16, Sean DALY  wrote:

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

That color combination has been very widely copied, even today.

I think the amount of copying ought to be seen as a metrics of success
for a brand.

Sure, except it dilutes the brand.

I am asserting that this dilution is a positive outcome - in the age
of cheap social media and memes, brands don't have control as they did
in the age of expensive mass media; and per the medium is the message
and all that, 

Re: [IAEP] Motion: to vote on each motion proposed by a, member

[Tony Anderson]

Sebastian,

Please identify a motion proposed by a member which has not been 
considered.


Naturally, consideration of a proposal is not necessarily approval.

Tony

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1. Re: Motion: to vote on each motion proposed by a member
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2. Re: Sugar/OLPC Relations (Dave Crossland)


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I too would support this motion. If people want to be SLOBs they should
consider community proposals not just their own ideas.


El 03/06/16 a las 17:59, Dave Crossland escribió:

Motion: to vote on each motion proposed by a member, dropping the
current practice of requiring a seconding before moving to a vote.


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On 4 June 2016 at 09:35, Samuel Greenfeld  wrote:


when I was discussing this with Peter a while back


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to consider email votes on motions only valid if they are sent to both the SLOBs and IAEP mailing lists.

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Adam

I don't think this is relevant to this motion. Clearly, if such a 
negotiation were to happen, the Board could move to consider the
matter in 'executive session'. In the meantime, there is no reason not 
to make votes public (and the discussion of them in the meetings

which is already public.)

Tony

On 06/21/2016 05:41 PM, Adam Holt wrote:
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Walter Bender 
> wrote:


On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Dave Crossland > wrote:

Hi

I would appreciate public consideration of this motion by each
member of SLOB.

On 7 June 2016 at 10:00, Dave Crossland > wrote:

Motion: to consider email votes on motions only valid if
they are sent
to both the SLOBs and IAEP mailing lists.




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It is my belief (hope) that the only time a vote is only sent to
one list rather than both is when there is an oversight by the
sender. Vote should be public,


Should but not must.

There can be (have been, and might be in future be) times when Sugar 
Labs needs in-the-interim-confidential negotiations with 
billion-dollar sponsor/ally governments and orgs or all kinds.


Naturally merger/acquisition or multimillion-dollar sponsorship 
situations affect almost everyone, who cannot all be at the 
negotiating table, nor can all Board members cannot possibly always agree.


Hence it's generally a legal/fiduciary responsibility of the Executive 
Director (or similar) to consult privately with the Board in these 
kinds of high-stakes situations -- keeping as many as possible 
apprised of deliberations -- while preserving interim confidentiality 
wherever and whenever necessary to protect the full/strategic 
interests of 501(c)3 Sugar Labs.


but if the vote is forwarded to both lists after the fact, it
should still be valid.

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion to update current SL vision statement

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Laura

Unfortunately, this is not my vision of Sugar Labs or Sugar. I see Sugar 
as an educational opportunity provided to users of the OLPC XO
and others. Naturally, it takes software engineers to develop and 
maintain this software, but the vision must be about the result - Sugar 
and the

benefits if offers in an educational setting.

Tony

On 06/19/2016 05:06 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:

Hi

I would appreciate public consideration of this motion by each member 
of SLOB.


On 3 June 2016 at 14:25, Laura Vargas > wrote:


I hereby propose the motion to update current SL vision statement:

"About Sugar Labs(R): Sugar Labs(R) is a volunteer-driven member
project of Software Freedom Conservancy, a nonprofit corporation.
Originally part of the One Laptop Per Child project, Sugar Labs
coordinates volunteers around the world who are passionate about
providing educational opportunities to children through the Sugar
Learning Platform. Sugar Labs(R) is supported by donations and is
seeking funding to accelerate development."

To the new proposed text:

"Sugar Labs is a global community where you can learn how to
design, develop and deploy high-quality Free/LibreSoftware that
facilitates self-discovery learning experiences and collaboration
among young children of all continents."

What is the problem we are trying to solve?

- Current Vision Statement is not wrong – but certainly is not
inspiring or unique.
- Current Vision fails to define what we do as an output: we
provide infrastructure so that a community of people can produce
and deliver software to children.
- Current Vision fails to identify our unique "selling"
points: self-discovery learning experiences and collaboration
among young children of all continents.

Blessings and thank you very much for your attention.
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Oversight Board decisions page

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Dave

On 06/20/2016 05:20 AM, iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote:

Adam asked me to diligently maintain the list of SLOB decisions going
forwards, that Walter had put together from archives, at
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions


I have reviewed this page. You have numbered the motions beginning with 
2016-1. There are missing numbers after 14. However, a

quick reading shows the board to have made decisive action on the motions.

One change I would like to see to this page. Mark pending motions as 
'proposed' or 'pending' and indicate who has submitted the motion.
Use the actual wording of the motion (normally shown in the Board 
meeting public log). For pending motions, use the words by the member who

proposed it, with their name and the date submitted (or last amended).

In many cases you have marked several motions as failed which were not 
made to the Board. (example, Motion 'B' 2016-28,29,30).


The dates above the motions do not seem to correspond to Board meeting 
dates. According to the approved motion 2016-3,


'Restrict email voting to 1 week going forward, to remove confusion from 
the current voting process, keeping focus.'


I had understood this to mean that urgent or emergency motions would be 
made on the SLOBs list and would be decided by email vote within
one week of the motion being moved and seconded. However, I have no 
recollection of this process being followed for most of the dates you give

for failed motions.

If I read this page correctly, you believe there are no pending motions. 
All motions are shown as agreed or failed.


Tony
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[IAEP] Sugar Vision

[Tony Anderson]

Yet another try.


Sugar Labs develops and supports Sugar. Sugar is a software system 
inspired by Alan Kay's Dynabook vision of a personal portable computer 
for children.
While originally designed and implemented for the One Laptop per Child 
XO laptop, Sugar is available to anyone (GPLv3) and for any computer 
supporting GNU/Linux or a standards-compliant browser.


Sugar provides a library of programs called activities. Anyone can 
contribute to this library including the children themselves. Sugar 
enables children to use these activities to learn both individually and 
by working with others. Sugar and its activities use icons to minimize 
dependency on text while supporting text in the child's own language. 
Activities offer a simple and consistent interface so skills discovered 
in one activity can be applied in another.


Sugar is designed to promote creation of new work which is saved in a 
single location, the Journal. The Journal provides easy access to 
inexperienced users. It enables users to see what they have created and 
to enrich these creations as their skills mature.


Tony
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion to update current SL vision statement

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Dave

It describes what we do. A mission statement usually describes the 
organizations goal, what it is trying to accomplish.


Tony

On 06/20/2016 05:17 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:


Hi

On 20 June 2016 at 03:23, Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net 
<mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net>> wrote:



I disagree completely with this statement as a vision for Sugar Labs.


You already said that, but I am concerned with your position on the 
original. Laura quoted this in her email above, and it is on the wiki 
at https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Mission


"About Sugar Labs(R): Sugar Labs(R) is a volunteer-driven member 
project of Software Freedom Conservancy, a nonprofit corporation. 
Originally part of the One Laptop Per Child project, Sugar Labs 
coordinates volunteers around the world who are passionate about 
providing educational opportunities to children through the Sugar 
Learning Platform. Sugar Labs(R) is supported by donations and is 
seeking funding to accelerate development."


Do you have any issue with this statement?

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Re: [IAEP] SLOBS Meeting

[Tony Anderson]

Sean,

I understand the need is to have a financial report at each monthly 
meeting reporting on starting balance, amount received, amount paid, and 
ending
balance. This is under the control of SFC. Adam is our liason to SFC. So 
I think it is appropriate that he make this report.


Currently, there is no income, expenses are one-two transactions, and so 
such a report should be easy to make.


Tony

On 06/17/2016 05:35 PM, Sean DALY wrote:


On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Dave Crossland > wrote:


I'm confused ;D Do you want a volunteer, or do you want Adam to do
it? 




Is Adam's role preparing periodic finance status reports? Sorry if I 
missed that.

Sean



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Re: [IAEP] SLOBS Meeting

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Dave

I appreciate your enthusiasm. However, I wonder how this will work with 
Adam Holt as our liason with SFC and with SFC being our accountant.


Tony

On 06/17/2016 03:39 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:


On 17 June 2016 at 06:37, Sean DALY > wrote:


Concerning a Finance Manager, in my view the priority should be
finding a volunteer to step up.


I volunteer.


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Re: [IAEP] SLOBS Meeting

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Dave

I don't understand your confusion. Currently Adam Holt has assumed 
responsibility for liason with SFC. SFC is responsible for managing SL's 
finances.
If you volunteer to take Adam's role, then we need to find out if he is 
willing to turn it over to you and then take the necessary steps to 
formalize this

relationship with SFC.

Tony

On 06/17/2016 05:16 PM, iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote:

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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:15:22 -0400
From: Dave Crossland<d...@lab6.com>
To: Tony Anderson<tony_ander...@usa.net>
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On 17 June 2016 at 11:12, Tony Anderson<tony_ander...@usa.net>  wrote:


>I appreciate your enthusiasm. However, I wonder how this will work with
>Adam Holt as our liason with SFC and with SFC being our accountant.
>

I'm confused ;D Do you want a volunteer, or do you want Adam to do it?


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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] A Better Idea...

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Dave

Can you identify these motions. Most of the votes were cast at the 
meetings. As far as I remember there were two email votes.


Tony

On 06/27/2016 04:14 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:

On 27 June 2016 at 09:24, Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net> wrote:

If it is useful.

It surely is


Why do you care for specific emails for specific votes?

Transparency


Do you have any specific motions where there is concern about
whether it passed?

Each motion where I can not observe each vote is a grave concern for me
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] scheduling our next meeting

[Tony Anderson]

1600 UTC is midnight here in the Philippines. This will, of course, 
improve in May when I will be on the same time as Lionel.


Tony

On 02/05/2016 05:52 AM, Sameer Verma wrote:


I can do 1600 UTC. I think you meant Feb 12?

Sameer

On Feb 4, 2016 1:18 PM, "Walter Bender" > wrote:


Sounds like we are converging. For me, Fridays at 16h00-17h00 UTC
would work. Shall we try for January 12?

regards.

-walter

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Lionel Laské
> wrote:

BTW I could manage as well during the week (monday-friday)
from 9h00 UTC to 17h00 UTC.

2016-02-03 21:57 GMT+01:00 Lionel Laské
>:

Hi all,

First, thanks to all of you that give me their vote.
Really appreciate your confidence.

I guess that UTC 15h00-17h00 should be okay on most timezone.
I can manage it if we plan meetings one or two weeks before.

Best regards from France.

  Lionel

2016-02-03 20:06 GMT+01:00 Sameer Verma >:

I'm OK with times between 9AM and 10PM, except for
12pm to 4pm and 7pm to 10pm on Mondays and Wednesdays
(teaching schedule). Weekends are OK too, but not as
structured. All times are Pacific.

Cheers,
Sameer

On Feb 2, 2016 12:17 PM, "Walter Bender"
> wrote:

It being 3AM in Thailand, I forgot to say thank
you for Carly, Sebastian, and Samson for there
efforts in the membership drive and running the
election. Thanks :)

regards.

-walter

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Walter Bender
> wrote:

Welcome Lionel, Tony, and Sameer to the new
Sugar Labs oversight board. And welcome back
Jose Miguel, Adam, and Claudia.

Daniel, Gonzalo, and Chris, many thanks for
all that  you have done for the Sugar Lab
community. Your efforts and generosity are
much appreciated.

Sam, Laura, and Ed, thank you for making the
effort to become part of the SL oversight
board. I hope yo will participate even without
a voting role.

Now that we have a new SLOB team, we need to
find a regular time to meet. We are spread
across more time zones than in the past, so it
may be a bit more difficult to schedule a time
that works for everyone (23UTC is great for UY
and the US East Coast, but less convenient in
FR and the US West Coast. And Tony is
seemingly everywhere.

I suppose we could use technology to set up a
survey to choose a time of day, but perhaps
the end points (Tony, Lionel, and Sameer) can
narrow the search space for us first.

Please discuss it.

regards.

-walter

PS: I will update the SLOB mailing list ASAP.
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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, James

My apologies. I am new to this and have made a lot of mistakes. However, 
I don't believe it is fair to accuse me of 'hiding' anything.


As you know following my first meeting in February, I posted a 
conglomeration of the ideas thrown out as to the position 
(http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Proposal).


At the March meeting, the I18n position was tabled for the April meeting.

At the April meeting, the item was again tabled with a specific request 
to write up the job description and a list of those on my informal 
mailing list. I did that the following morning by writing and posting 
the page (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Manager) which has 
evolved to the Translation-Community_Manager).


I sent a notification to the SLOBs list and to my informal list. This 
was a serious error. This email should have been sent to iaep and 
localization, at least. At the time I was responding to a task assigned 
at the meeting and so used the SLOBs list. I wasn't aware that this list 
is secret.


On Monday and Tuesday, I was involved in a personal commitment which 
gave Walter and Adam an opportunity to edit the document. I also fixed 
some typos.


At Walter's request, I made the formal motions. Those I believe should 
go to the SLOBs list. However, Adam and Caryl requested that the motions 
be posted on the iaep and localization lists which I did.


Certainly none of these snafus reflect in any way on Chris Leonard or 
his leadership.


Tony

On 04/06/2016 03:25 PM, James Cameron wrote:

I'm not sure the translation team wants to be led in that way, and I'd
not like to lose volunteers.  We have so few.

The hiding of SLOBs deliberations once they move to their private
mailing list caused this situation; Wiki technology is a bad match for
decision making bodies unless clear processes are used.  There was
nothing in the history of the page to indicate it was part of a
motion.

I'd like to see some more transparency.

On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 02:58:21PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:

My point is that the motion was based on the wording of the document
at the time it was made. Amendments after the motion is made are
really out of order.
Luckily, the Wiki technology lets readers see the document as it was
at the time of the motion.

Naturally, the intent is that the TCM will lead the translation
team. My view is prejudiced, but I thought the wording made that
very clear.

Tony

On 04/06/2016 02:20 PM, James Cameron wrote:

I take it to mean that you intend that the translation team be
eclipsed by the translation community manager?  That's unfortunate.

On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 01:38:46PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:

The formal motion was sent at 5pm April 5, 2016. It was seconded at 7:25pm
April 5, 2016 (both times EST). Any changes to the TCM job description made
after the formal motion was submitted and seconded should not be considered in
votes on the motion. Naturally, if the Board thinks changes are needed before
the motions can be approved, new motions can be made.

Tony

On 04/06/2016 12:47 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:

 Hello,

 I made a small contribution to the Translation Community Manager page, as
 follows:

 In the first paragraph, I added the following, just to clarify what the
 page was about:
 This is a paid delegation currently being debated by SLOBs.

 More importantly, I added a second paragraph to link to previous
 structures:
 This delegation is not meant to eclipse [1]Translation Team, its [2]
 coordinators, or any other party interested in helping out with
 localization.
 I hope it is taken well. It does not modify the motions in place at all.

 Regards,
 Sebastian

 El 05/04/16 a las 04:32, Tony Anderson escribió:

 I submitted motions to the Board as follows:

 I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
 Translation-Community Manager as described at [3][4]http://
 wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.

 I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
 immediately.

 At Adam's request, I am adding a third motion:

 I move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of
 $1000 per month.

 I would like to call for seconds to these motions.

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[1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team
[2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team/Coordinator
[3] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
[4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
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[IAEP] Vote on Translation-Community Manager motions

[Tony Anderson]

I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of 
Translation-Community Manager as described at 
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.

+1

I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective 
immediately.

+1

I further move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend 
of $1000/month.

+1

Tony
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Laura

The simplest answer is that is a part of the job of the TCM not the Board.

Tony

On 04/06/2016 11:39 PM, Laura Vargas wrote:

Tony,

What would be in place to explain, is why atfer the creation of the 
position (first motion) SLOBs are not openly requiring proposals from 
all community members and /or any interested party that might be 
adequate or experienced to execute the required functions.


In my opinion public email in IAEP + localization list + 15 -30 days 
to get proposals, should be enough to be called an "open call".


Best regards,

Laura

2016-04-06 22:44 GMT+08:00 Walter Bender >:




On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Dave Crossland > wrote:


On 6 April 2016 at 09:42, Walter Bender
> wrote:

the traffic on the list is close to nil


Does the traffic include deliberation of motions? :)


Never intentionally. When it does happen, we try to catch the
mistake, such as Adam reminding Tony to circulate his motion publicly,

Also, in answer to an earlier question, yes, the ombudsman is a
member of the list.

-walter

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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Tony Anderson]

HI, Sebastian

The problem is mine. I should have locked the page at the time the 
motions were made. The issue is simply procedural, the motion was to 
approve
the job as described on the page. Like Clinton, using a wiki page was a 
convenience to avoid having to copy it in the motion.


Tony

On 04/06/2016 09:52 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:



El 06/04/16 a las 00:38, Tony Anderson escribió:
The formal motion was sent at 5pm April 5, 2016. It was seconded at 
7:25pm April 5, 2016 (both times EST). Any changes to the TCM job 
description made after the formal motion was submitted and seconded 
should not be considered in votes on the motion. Naturally, if the 
Board thinks changes are needed before the motions can be approved, 
new motions can be made.


Tony___



Hi Tony,

Certainly not the entire wikipage is the job definition being voted 
upon. Much of it are notes gathered from the rest of the Wiki.
In fact if I understood correctly the relevant bits under discussion 
are the Translation Community Manager's Duties. 
<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Translation-Community_Manager#Duties>


The rest of the page is a summary and general information on our 
translation process. So I merely added some references to previous 
work, in my humble view. It was not intended to change the spirit of 
the proposal, but to add relevant information for future readers.


Regards,
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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Tony Anderson]

My point is that the motion was based on the wording of the document at 
the time it was made. Amendments after the motion is made are really out 
of order.
Luckily, the Wiki technology lets readers see the document as it was at 
the time of the motion.


Naturally, the intent is that the TCM will lead the translation team. My 
view is prejudiced, but I thought the wording made that very clear.


Tony

On 04/06/2016 02:20 PM, James Cameron wrote:

I take it to mean that you intend that the translation team be
eclipsed by the translation community manager?  That's unfortunate.

On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 01:38:46PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:

The formal motion was sent at 5pm April 5, 2016. It was seconded at 7:25pm
April 5, 2016 (both times EST). Any changes to the TCM job description made
after the formal motion was submitted and seconded should not be considered in
votes on the motion. Naturally, if the Board thinks changes are needed before
the motions can be approved, new motions can be made.

Tony

On 04/06/2016 12:47 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:

 Hello,

 I made a small contribution to the Translation Community Manager page, as
 follows:

 In the first paragraph, I added the following, just to clarify what the
 page was about:
 This is a paid delegation currently being debated by SLOBs.

 More importantly, I added a second paragraph to link to previous
 structures:
 This delegation is not meant to eclipse [1]Translation Team, its [2]
 coordinators, or any other party interested in helping out with
 localization.
  
 I hope it is taken well. It does not modify the motions in place at all.


 Regards,
 Sebastian

 El 05/04/16 a las 04:32, Tony Anderson escribió:

 I submitted motions to the Board as follows:

 I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
 Translation-Community Manager as described at [3][4]http://
 wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.

 I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
 immediately.

 At Adam's request, I am adding a third motion:

 I move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of
 $1000 per month.

 I would like to call for seconds to these motions.

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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Tony Anderson]

The formal motion was sent at 5pm April 5, 2016. It was seconded at 
7:25pm April 5, 2016 (both times EST). Any changes to the TCM job 
description made after the formal motion was submitted and seconded 
should not be considered in votes on the motion. Naturally, if the Board 
thinks changes are needed before the motions can be approved, new 
motions can be made.


Tony

On 04/06/2016 12:47 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:

Hello,

I made a small contribution to the Translation Community Manager page, 
as follows:


In the first paragraph, I added the following, just to clarify what 
the page was about:

/This is a paid delegation currently being debated by SLOBs. //
/
More importantly, I added a second paragraph to link to previous 
structures:
/This delegation is not meant to eclipse //Translation Team 
<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team>//, its //coordinators 
<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team/Coordinator>//, or any 
other party interested in helping out with localization./


I hope it is taken well. It does not modify the motions in place at all.

Regards,
Sebastian


El 05/04/16 a las 04:32, Tony Anderson escribió:

I submitted motions to the Board as follows:

I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of 
Translation-Community Manager as described at 
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.


I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective 
immediately.


At Adam's request, I am adding a third motion:

I move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of 
$1000 per month.


I would like to call for seconds to these motions.


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Action needed on two issues

[Tony Anderson]

+1 on both motions

Tony

On 04/08/2016 08:23 PM, Walter Bender wrote:
Apparently we did not actually get all the votes necessary to approve 
a motion to pay Devin a $500 stipend for his time taken away from his 
Day Job to help with the Turtle Blocks workshops at the 
Constructionism Conference. The motion was made and voted on at the 
2015-12-07 meeting [1]. There were only three votes cast. (I thought 
four had been cast.) There was no objection raised at the time and 
Devin did take a week off from work to attend the meetings and run the 
workshops. I'd like to reopen this motion with the new board and take 
a vote.


Motion: offer Devin U. an honorarium ($500) to compensate him since he 
needed to take a week off from work to run two Turtle/Music Blocks 
workshops at the Constructionism Conference. The funds would be 
allocated from the Trip Advisor grant which are in support of 
promoting and advancing Turtle Blocks around the world.


Please respond ASAP, as I feel we need to clarify the situation and 
not leave Devin hanging.


Adam, in the future, it would be nice to get a heads up when you find 
mistakes and not just catch them by noticing a change to a wiki page.


Also, I need clarity regarding the Trip Advisor grant. I believe that 
the oversight board has previously granted me approval to spend grant 
money on workshops under the conditions that (1) I inform the 
committee of my plans and (2) I don't exceed the budget. Apparently 
this is not the understanding of some of you and not the understanding 
of the SFC.


Motion: Walter, as PI of the Trip Advisor grant, will inform the SL 
oversight board of his plans for workshops that fall under the guise 
promotion of Turtle Blocks but otherwise has discretion in organizing 
and funding these events, within the budget constraints of grant and 
the travel guidelines of the SFC.


Please take action on this ASAP as I am many months without 
reimbursement for travel for several workshops.


FWIW, the large proportion of the travel and expenses associated with 
the workshops to date has been paid for by third parties. I've been 
able to stretch the budget quite far.


thank you for your attention.

regards.

-walter

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[IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Tony Anderson]

I submitted motions to the Board as follows:

I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of 
Translation-Community Manager as described at 
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.


I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective 
immediately.


At Adam's request, I am adding a third motion:

I move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of $1000 
per month.


I would like to call for seconds to these motions.


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Re: [IAEP] Features wishlist from 2007

[Tony Anderson]

This is central to the 'vision'. In my 'vision', the goal is to promote 
Sugar in the consumer world as an effective learning resource for 
learners who
do not have access to computers or the internet (live on the wrong side 
of the digital divide).


There are many commercial and non-profit organizations which are trying 
to show a snappy interface attractive to parents of children used to 
Android or the iPhone. Sugar can easily become one choice among many - 
where most have far more resources than we do.


I think we have an opportunity to work to the original concept of olpc - 
using Sugar to attract sponsors for deployments at schools or other 
community institutions in the two-thirds of the world that does not have 
effective access to the internet.


The problem with jazzing up the interface with 'gradients, transparency, 
shadows, and stuff' is that it demands more system resources without a 
clearly commensurate value to the learning experience.


Tony

On 04/23/2016 07:56 AM, iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote:

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 09:56:37 +1000
From: Sam Parkinson
To: Dave Crossland
Cc: iaep
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Features wishlist from 2007
Message-ID:<1461369397.167...@smtp.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"

I think that reducing the "interface prejudice" is an interesting
question.  Changing the theme to use more gradients, transparency,
shadows and stuff is very easy; we literally use the same toolkit that
powers GNOME's interface.  The real question would be if we can test
this feature; if anybody would be willing to do some usability testing
in comparison of both.

I actually think that some features contribute to the interface issue.
For example, we only allow 1 activity on the screen at the time.  Maybe
if we add the ability to split the screen vertically, we could appear
more mature.  It would also probably be useful for many users.  I might
draw up a design, unless somebody beats me to it.

Thanks,
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Re: [IAEP] use of XOs

[Tony Anderson]

I think this started with an observation from Adam. We have used 
deployment in the community to refer to the institution where the 
laptops are located and the overall environment; hence, the Deployment 
Guide. In our current context, Uruguay is not a deployment but each 
school in Uruguay with laptops is a deployment. Some may be doing well, 
some not so well.


Intervention sounds like taking some action in an ongoing situation. 
This is rare (Uruguay, Peru, Rwanda may justify intervention since the 
deployments were and are being put in place by the national government 
(Ministry of Education). In many others, a deployment is made by a 
sponsor ($) and a dedicated individual or team who visit the school or 
institution, deliver the hardware, set the system up, and provide 
initial training. Intervention does not sound like the right word for 
these cases.


What we need to understand by deployment or 'intervention' is a school 
or institution which has multiple laptops (normally XOs) and, possibly a 
school server and lan, and, probably little or no access to the internet.


From a Sugar community perspective, we are talking about a 'customer' 
or 'client'.


Maybe 'olpc site' would be good - where olpc is the community name not 
the commercial OLPC.


Tony

On 04/25/2016 08:12 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:



El 25/04/16 a las 06:11, Sean DALY escribió:


the same thing that OLPC called a "deployment" (which I think is
a poor marketing term, since it has US-imperial/military overtones.)



Deployment is the common IT term for rolling out a solution, with 
everything connected to it (logistics, support).
Laura an I are using 'intervention' as we think Sugar users are not 
common IT and /deployment/ does sound like an impositive, top down 
approach.


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[IAEP] *Sugar Onboard: After user testing*

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Sam

Your experience matches mine with 'homeview' (see 
http://www.projectbernie.org - class page). I attempted to guide 
learners in the use of
several activities with a slide show featuring a screen shot on each 
slide. One example is Paint. I quickly found that the slides needed a 
'hook', a way to grab attention to keep the learner moving to the next 
slide (slides move with right/left arrow). I started with a screen shot 
of the first screen - a blank screen with no image!


On Youtube, there are many videos showing a user working through a 
scenario with an application. I find them difficult because the user 
moves too fast to follow.


Your suggestion of a walk-through on the XO with the user moving and 
clicking based on 'hints' on the screen seems very workable. However, I 
could see some learners becoming impatient and wanting to explore on 
their own.


So far, the only thing that has worked is a workshop where I personally 
walk the teachers through the steps to perform a specific task (e.g. 
connect to the schoolserver). This usually involves walking through the 
group with an XO saying 'your screen should look like this'.


Tony
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Re: [IAEP] use of XOs

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Dave

On 04/25/2016 09:17 AM, Dave Crossland wrote:

Hi Tony

Would you be willing to post this wonderful email to the group thread? :)


On 24 April 2016 at 21:11, Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net 
<mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net>> wrote:


Hi, Dave

I hope you can continue your quest for information on how XOs are
used in deployments.

(edited)

The strategic need is to establish direct communication with folks
at these deployments to get first-hand information. This direct
communication can put the community in direct contact with the
user community and help us provide more relevant capabilities.

I think this is going to be a deployment-by-deployment process.

I received this in a communication from Anish Mangal:

If the issue is about XO's then perhaps contacting Prof. Nagarjuna
and Rafikh from TIFR, Bombay might yield something, as they have a
deployment in the city and another near it.

And this you may remember from Walter:

I know nothing about G1G1 Round Two but the laptops from the first
round went to many more places than just Mongolia. For example, it
was from that program that the first batch of laptops went to
Caacupé in Paraguay, a program that continues to be robust today.

Caryl Bigenho has supported a deployment at a shelter in Los
Angeles where the residents are not allowed access to the
internet. I haven't heard much on this recently.

The webpage is a good start
(https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs/Contacts). However, it
is connected to the local labs program. You may want to find out
from Walter about its current status. The idea died aborning
because under our agreement with the Conservancy, Sugar Labs was
not permitted to establish subsidiary groups. So I think the wiki
effort should be independent of that initiative.

We also need a format where we can gather significant information
- perhaps a link from this page to a page per deployment. The key
in each case is to have a local contact (e.g. email address) where
we can get direct answers to questions as they come up and propose
capabilities which may be of help. The questions we need answered
go far beyond whether XOs are used inside a classroom or
elsewhere. For example, if users are allowed to take laptops away
from the institution, what has been the impact on wear and tare.
If users 'own' the laptop; how does the institution replace them
for incoming students.
How has the Uruguay Plan Ceibal impacted learning in later grades
- e.g. in readiness to use computers effectively in secondary
school learning. The list could go on.

Tony
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[IAEP] Lion Activity

[Tony Anderson]

The Lion activity (https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Lion_Activity) has been 
added to ASLO (activities.sugarlabs.org).


It is suitable for testing by localizers. The current version allows a 
user to select a language (from those on the XO) and
an activity (from those installed on the XO with po directories). The 
user then sees each string in sequence. Once the user
is satisfied with the localized string, a click on 'accept' moves to the 
next one. When finished, the screen shows 'done'.


The activity writes a xx.po file to the selected activity for the 
selected language xx. It also saves the original as xx.po.orig for

checking.

To be useful, the po file must be compiled into an mo file - not yet 
implemented.


Tony
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Re: [IAEP] IAEP "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?

[Tony Anderson]

Dave,

This is exactly what we need. It will take a lot of work but the value 
would make it very worthwhile.


I believe Adam Holt and the support-gang have the most information.

I have access to 3 deployments in Rwanda (120 laptops at one school, 
probably 200+ at two others). I also have
access to 3 deployments in the Philippines (1 primary school with 15 
XO-1.5, 1 primary school with 12 Dell core 2 duo machines using Ubuntu 
Sugar, and 1 high school using 100+ Dell laptops without Sugar but with 
a school server (xsce6 with content from BERNIE)). All of these schools 
have a school server. I have some second hand information about 
deployments in Lesotho, South Africa (Kliptown Youth), and Tanzania 
(this information is stale).


Tony



On 04/24/2016 11:15 AM, iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote:

Well, does Sugar Labs have a table listing each user community
("deployment") and a person in each community who Sugar Labs can talk with?

If not, let's make such a table:)


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Re: [IAEP] IAEP "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?

[Tony Anderson]

They are using Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. As 32-bit systems, Ubuntu Sugar is not 
available. There are possible ways around this, but I just have not had 
time to pursue them. Since it is a high school, the demand of the older 
students is more directed to Wikipedia, Open Street Maps, Khan Academy, 
PhET simulations and the like from the school server.


Tony

On 04/24/2016 12:38 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:


On 24 April 2016 at 00:00, Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net 
<mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net>> wrote:


I have access to 3 deployments in Rwanda (120 laptops at one
school, probably 200+ at two others). I also have
access to 3 deployments in the Philippines (1 primary school with
15 XO-1.5, 1 primary school with 12 Dell core 2 duo machines using
Ubuntu Sugar, and 1 high school using 100+ Dell laptops without
Sugar but with a school server (xsce6 with content from BERNIE)).
All of these schools have a school server. I have some second hand
information about deployments in Lesotho, South Africa (Kliptown
Youth), and Tanzania (this information is stale).


Alright, that's a good start! :) I put it into the wiki here:

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs/Contacts

For the school with 100+ Dells without Sugar, why aren't they using 
Sugar, and what are they using instead?


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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 97, Issue 75

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Caryl

Of course, you are right. I really wish we had more information on where 
and how XOs are used in the field. All I know is the experience of the

small number of deployments I am supporting.

Tony

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2. Re: Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True? (Adam Holt)
3. Re: Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True? (Dave Crossland)


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Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:32:20 -0600
From: Caryl Bigenho 
To: Dave Crossland , Sean Daly 
Cc: Laura Vargas , "iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org"

Subject: Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?
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Hi Dave,
At the risk of sounding like someone on snopes or politifact, that is "mostly 
true."  However, even though it is in the classroom, it may not be during regular 
class time. Sometimes it will be after school in a science club or robotics club. Other 
times students might be working together on some kind of media projects using the Sugar 
Software, etc. The possibilities are almost limitedless.
In Uruguay, where there are many more XOs than any other country, the students 
are allowed to take their machines home. They may be using them at home to 
complete a special assignment or conduct some simple scientific research. 
Sometimes they might also be sharing it with parents or grandparents, teaching 
them how to use it.
But, yes, most are probably being used at the school, even if it may not be 
during regular class time.
Caryl

From: d...@lab6.com
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:27:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?
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Hi
Okay cool.
Laura, I agree about the importance of Spanish.

My next question:
Does anyone disagree with the assertion that "most Sugar use is in a 
school/classroom setting"?
Cheers
Dave

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Conversely it's possible much/most Sugar use is now happening outside of
classes (and outside of classrooms too!) in homes/libraries/cybercafes/etc
at last?  At this late stage in OLPC's history, and not just in Uruguay?

Is Uruguay actively using Sugar in 2016 and if so how?  Who can tell
urban/rural/young/old perspectives across Uruguay/Rwanda/etc in 2016?

Certainly I keep running into more and more XO laptops that have moved far
beyond their originally-stated scholastic purposes...is it time for
"Child/Tween/Millenial Ownership" action at long at last?!

http ://
wiki.laptop.org
/go/OLPC:Five_principles


Where are the true community anthropologists like Morgan Ames (and Margaret
Mead) when we need them?!
Hi Dave,

At the risk of sounding like someone on snopes or politifact, that is
"mostly true."  However, even though it is in the classroom, it may not be
during regular class time. Sometimes it will be after school in a science
club or robotics club. Other times students might be working together on
some kind of media projects using the Sugar Software, etc. The
possibilities are almost limitedless.

In Uruguay, where there are many more XOs than any other country, the
students are allowed to take their machines home. They may be using them at
home to complete a special assignment or conduct some simple scientific
research. Sometimes they might also be sharing 

Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 97, Issue 75

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Dave

Everything possible.

For a simple example. If Uruguay is allowing learners to take laptops 
home; how is charging handled? In Rwanda, we discovered that
few homes had electricity. This would mean laptops taken home would be 
returned with empty batteries. The school is set up to charge the
laptops in charging racks. Charging them in class time would mean 
running power strips all over the floor of the classroom potentially 
endangering students and the laptops (dragged to the floor). In Nepal, 
wear and tear on the XOs proved too expensive so laptops now stay in the 
school. After school opportunities are a good alternative, except in 
many schools students walk several miles to and from school. This means 
they can not stay back for after school activities. In schools with two 
shifts there would lots of time for 'before' or 'after' school 
activities. However, the schools do not have classroom space beyond for 
the active classes.


Every deployment I have encountered is different, information about them 
would be invaluable and would give us an opportunity to provide more 
effective support. I think the first priority is to find the deployments 
and identify a contact who could provide us with good current information.


Tony

On 04/24/2016 12:21 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:


On 23 April 2016 at 23:45, Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net 
<mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net>> wrote:


I really wish we had more information on where and how XOs are
used in the field


What information do you think we should find out?


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Re: [IAEP] Sugar network/ School Network (Laura Vargas)

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Laura

I am sorry but that leaves me still unclear on the dependence on the 
internet. If each machine becomes a node, why is it necessary for it to 
be a server? Where is the main node? Where are the content resources?


Tony

On 05/20/2016 05:26 AM, Laura Vargas wrote:
2016-05-19 20:40 GMT+08:00 Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net 
<mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net>>:


Hi, Laura

Hi Tony!

Sorry about my confusing  message with the digest title.

No problem :D

I tried the Sugar network several years ago but decided that it
was not usable because it is dependent on internet access. Is that
still the case?

I'll rescue the text from the original thread:

"The node service runs locally on each machine. Thus, the node would 
have to be included in the Sugar distribution. The node offers an API 
for accessing/interaction with Sugar Network resources."


Basically this means that each machine could become a server for a 
local Sugar Network node. Still, some work would have to be done to 
achieve synchronization with the main node.


That said, the last production version was made for Sugar 0.94. There 
would be important work to be done if you want it to run with a newer 
version.


Regards and blessings,

laura V

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Re: [IAEP] Sugar network/ School Network (Laura Vargas)

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Sebastian and Laura

Thanks, that clarifies things greatly.

Tony

On 05/20/2016 09:27 AM, Sebastian Silva wrote:

El 20/05/16 a las 01:40, Tony Anderson escribió:


Hi, Laura

I am sorry but that leaves me still unclear on the dependence on the
internet. If each machine becomes a node, why is it necessary for it
to be a server? Where is the main node? Where are the content resources?

Tony

Hi Tony,

I can respond the more technical aspects. The node service provides the
same API when running locally as it does when acting as a server. This
is so that clients can interact with the Sugar Network even when
completely disconnected. When a node is acting as server, it will
synchronize content resources with nodes acting as clients. Each client
node has a resource cache of limited size. For example, clients may
choose to 'keep' a Sugar activity for using offline. Aleksey tweaked the
node for performance under low memory and disk space conditions (even on
XO1).

The full set of content resources resides in the node acting as server.
This is the only difference. Server nodes have been designed to sync
with each other. Currently there is a node server running on
node.sugarlabs.org, with a front-end running at
http://network.sugarlabs.org/ . This node is what Laura calls the `main
node`. It is running exactly the same software as we have on each XO,
and currently provides service for thousands of XOs. We haven't worked
directly in schools to deploy local server nodes, but conceivably, we could.

Regards,
Sebastian
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Re: [IAEP] Windows is Coming

[Tony Anderson]

According to the news Google is making Android apps available on some 
Chromebooks (possibly including Sugarizer and GCompris).


Windows 10 is making Ubuntu programs available by the command line - 
which could be shortcuts.


Tony

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Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 11:26:28 +0800
From: Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>
To: Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net>
Cc: iaep <iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org>
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar network/ School Network (Laura Vargas)
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Re: [IAEP] Windows is Coming

[Tony Anderson]

Hi Sean,

Do you mean commands written in text? The question may be whether Ubuntu 
programs can be started from a shortcut but I don't see how that would
not be possible. The information I read did not imply starting an os 
(although I suppose that could be done by a vm). What I read was that this
capability was an alternative to Cygwin. I don't have any hands-on 
experience to judge the quality of the MS/Ubuntu partnership.


However, I think the main point is that Sugar probably can be run in 
Windows 10 starting with the Ubuntu Sugar base. This might be a good 
project
for someone. One major advantage is that it would make it possible to 
demonstrate the capabilities of Sugar on a Windows machine for prospective

sponsors of olpc/Sugar deployments.

Tony

On 05/20/2016 12:37 PM, Sean DALY wrote:


On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net 
<mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net>> wrote:


Windows 10 is making Ubuntu programs available by the command line
- which could be shortcuts.


Tony - text mode commandline only AFAIK, and Cygwin likely a better 
implementation


Sean



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Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Re: [SLOBS] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Dave

I am not aware of any method to donate money to Sugar Labs. I understand 
we need to make the donations to SFC and somehow have the money

arrive in our funds. This needs to be made very clear on the web site.

I am not referring to 'lying', I am referring to asking the question. If 
it is a donation, a person can donate what they feel comfortable with.


Tony

On 05/23/2016 03:24 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:


Hi

On 23 May 2016 at 09:07, Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net 
<mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net>> wrote:


I agree completely. However, if the donations are requested, I
think we should suggest 'typical' amounts.


Both my and Sean's motions include suggested amounts :)

This is a world-wide organization so we need to be careful about
defining 'self-identifying as low-income'.


Why? Anyone can lie about it, and that's totally fine with me.

So I would amend the motion to

Motion: To request donations from Sugar Labs Members and the
general public, to be allocated to the General Fund through the
SFC. A simple payment method will be implemented (e.g. Pay Pal,
credit/debit cards) ensuring tax-exemption where possible.


We don't need a motion to solicit general donations, nor state that a 
simple payment method will be implemented, because we already do both 
of those things :)


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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] GSoC mentor stipend motion

[Tony Anderson]

I am not sure of my arithmetic. Six mentors at $500 is $3000, so 10% is 
$300 and 5% is $150. Leaving $2550 or $255 per mentor.


Tony

On 05/18/2016 02:37 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:


Hi

On 18 May 2016 at 04:15, Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net 
<mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net>> wrote:


In the case of the GSOC stipend, I assume the total amount is
transferred to SugarLabs. That amount is based on the number of
slots (6) and not on
the number of mentors.


Yes, the total is based on that, but the fraction due to each mentor 
is not, because we have more mentors than slots.


The amount is fixed per slot ($500). So SFC would take $250


Why would SFC take 50%?

and SugarLabs would take $125.


Why would SL take 25%

This would result in a balance of $2625 or $262.50 per each of the
ten mentors. Each mentor could individually decide to request the
$262.50 or leave it in the General Fund.


:)

In the case of the membership donation. It appears to be a
donation since there is no penalty. I think it should be a
donation request with the amounts

as an 'expectation'.


I don't understand. It is called a donation, and thus it is _de facto_ 
a donation request.


If you would like to amend the text I drafted, please use the 
suggestions feature of Google Docs.


If you would like to see donations solicited in totally different way, 
please draft a counter motion and post it.


I don't understand the 'rewards' for larger donations. What is a
release codename?


Its a long tradition in software projects to have names for releases; 
Microsoft's codenames in the 90s were cities - Windows 95 was Cairo - 
and most major free software projects use them:


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/History_of_Fedora_release_names
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_release_history

More importantly, I think the first step is to provide a simple
way for members or non-members to donate to support Sugar Labs. Is
this paypal, credit card or   Is this something that SFC must
provide or can SugarLabs do this on its own?


The donate link on the wiki was not working, I didn't retrieve a 
working link yet, but when I do I will get it back on the website :) 
I'd be very grateful if you could help with this :D


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Re: [IAEP] Sugar network/ School Network (Laura Vargas)

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Dave

The 'normal mail': tony_ander...@usa.net is rejected by gmail per some 
security check installed in January of this year. Sending emails from 
t...@olenepal.org works because it is a gmail account. I guess I am 
going to have to register for the lists a second time with the other 
olenepal email address. Sigh.


Tony

On 05/19/2016 03:08 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:

Hi

On 19 May 2016 at 09:02, Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net 
<mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net>> wrote:


It now takes forever to go through the myriad of emails I get each
day. The digest now doesn't really help as much because almost all
emails are
sent to three or more lists.


I agree, there are a lot of lists for a (nowadays) small community. I 
hope we can address that this year :)


I just forget to change the subject. Unfortunately, I am not
registered on the lists as t...@olenepal.org
<mailto:t...@olenepal.org> and so posts there
are rejected. On the other hand, my normal email cannot deliver
messages to gmail accounts. Sigh.


Changing the email you register on the lists takes only a few minutes, 
so sign up a new email and sign out an old one.


What's wrong with your 'normal' email?

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Re: [IAEP] Sugar network/ School Network (Laura Vargas)

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Laura

Sorry about my confusing  message with the digest title.

I tried the Sugar network several years ago but decided that it was not 
usable because it is dependent on internet access. Is that

still the case?

Tony

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