Re: Would an IODF configuration work for diferent devices ?

[Zaromil Tisler]

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:27:11 -0500, Cwi Jeret cwi_je...@yahoo.com wrote:

Given the following working configuration -

snipped

Now I want to let LPAR B work with the same IODF-IOCDS configuration
on an seperate Disk device with the same addresses !
( Chpid and CU 300 CUAD 1  -  left as is ) like the following :

snipped

Would this changed configuration work
with the same IODF-IOCDS  definitions ???

I would say it would work for sure after an IPL, if both CU are configured
in the same way (CUAD 1). That should be the comfortable way.

Maybe it would be possible to do it even without an IPL, if you can take
devices and paths offline (I don't remember configuring chpid offline, but I
am not quite sure). I haven't made exactly your scenario, but I imagine
having migrated from box A to box B without an IPL - naturally, not the
system devices.

But, I wouldn't be happy having duplicate device numbers in an IODF if I
don't have to.

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Re: Would an IODF configuration work for diferent devices ?

[Linda Mooney]

Greetings! 



Sysplex, monoplex, same/different CEC? What kind of storage controller, what 
kind of disk? Your drawing looks like the basics for a 3990 mod 6, is it?  How 
do you have your paths defined?  What about the access list? 



Are you just trying to get around building another IODF? 



I don't think that HDC will let you do this, but you could always copy your 
IODF to a WORK IODF and try it out.  



Linda Mooney 


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From: Cwi Jeret cwi_je...@yahoo.com 
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:30:28 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Would an IODF configuration work for diferent devices ? 

Hello, 
My question is : 

Given the following working configuration - 

+---+ 
|  LPAR  A      |  LPAR  B      | 
+--++--++---+ 
   |chpid 23|      |chpid 35| 
   +---++      +---++ 
       |               | 
       |               | 
       |               | 
+--+   +--+             
|CU 100 CUAD 1 |   |CU 300 CUAD 1 |                       
+---+--+   +---+--+ 
    |                          | 
    |                          | 
    |      +---+ 
    |      |                   
+---+ 
|3390 addr range| 
| 1300 - 13FF   | 
+---+ 

Now I want to let LPAR B work with the same IODF-IOCDS configuration 
on an seperate Disk device with the same addresses ! 
( Chpid and CU 300 CUAD 1  -  left as is ) like the following : 


+---+ 
|  LPAR  A      |  LPAR  B      | 
+--++--++---+ 
   |chpid 23|      |chpid 35| 
   +---++      +---++ 
       |               | 
       |               | 
       |               | 
+--+   +--+ 
|CU 100 CUAD 1 |   |CU 300 CUAD 1 | 
+---+--+   +---+--+ 
    |                          | 
    |                          | 
+---+   +---+ 
|3390 addr range|   |3390 addr range| 
| 1300 - 13FF   |   | 1300 - 13FF   | 
+---+   +---+ 

Would this changed configuration work 
with the same IODF-IOCDS  definitions ??? 

C. Jeret 
Bank Hapoalim  T.A. 


  

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Re: Java V6 install problem

[Vince Getgood]

Hi all,

I'm also trying to do this install, and have followed the Read Me up to the 
same point as the original poster, however, I'm, getting a different issue 
(From 
OMVS under TSO - z/os 1.9):-

£ export PATH=/usr/lpp/java/Jv.r{_64}/J6.0_64/bin:£PATH 
£ export DISPLAY=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:0.0  
£ echo £PATH
/usr/lpp/java/Jv.r{_64}/J6.0_64/bin:/bin
£ echo £DISPLAY 
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:0.0   
£ java -version 
Ý1¨ + Done(137) java -version   
  83886118  Killed  /usr/lpp/java/Jv.r{_64}/J6.0_64/bin/java

I downloaded and ran Mark Zeldens' REXXSTOR, with the following result: -
 
 V I R T U A LS T O R A G EU S A G E 
 --- 
 
 
   Region requested: 8192K   
 
 Max Priv Region Region Region Region
 Reg Size  Limit   Size In-Use  Avail
             
Below 16M: 10216K  8256K  8192K88K  8168K
Above 16M:   1927168K131072K131072K   420K130652K
 
Above 2G : 0M (64-bit MEMLIMIT)

Any thoughts / ideas / suggestions?

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split VOLCAT

[R Hey]

G'day,

I searched the archive for this, but didn't find exact info, so I'm adding this 
for 
the archive.

if your VOLCAT fills up you'll get:

 *IEC361I CATALOG SYS1.VOLCAT.VGENERAL (DATA)  HAS REACHED   82% OF 
THE MAXIMUM EXTENTS   

To Split VOLCAT  move tapes 3n to another VOLCAT do:

 DEFINE USERCATALOG - 
(NAME(SYS1.VOLCAT.V3) -   
 VOLCATALOG - 
 STORAGECLASS(sc...)  - 
 VOLUME(vv) - 
 CYLINDERS(10 5))   

  REPRO -
MERGECAT   - 
VOLENT(V3*) -
IDS(SYS1.VOLCAT.VGENERAL) - 
ODS(SYS1.VOLCAT.V3) 

 LISTCAT -  
   VOLUMEENTRIES(V3*) - 
   LIBRARY(lib...) -   
   ALL

 LISTC  CAT(SYS1.VOLCAT.V3  ) ALL  

Cheers,
Rez

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Re: ICSF pin mailer printing

[Peter Bishop]

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:42:25 -0500, Frank Swarbrick fswarbr...@gmail.com wrote:

Anyone out there use ICSF (Integrated Cryptographic Service Facility) for
encryption between self and Visa/Mastercard/ATMs?  I'm specifically curious
about how PIN mailer processing is done.  (If it is done!)  We currently use
Thales Host Security Modules.  When a new card is ordered a random PIN is
generated.  We have a printer physically attached to the HSM which is used
to print a mailer that contains the customer's PIN.  The only place the PIN is
in clear text is on the serial cable that connects the printer to the HSM.

I can't see anywhere that ICSF supports this type of thing; thus the question.

Thanks!
Frank

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Hi Frank,

to use ICSF for this it would be like Pierre said (whose post is not here
somehow although I saw it on Google groups), its only used for the PIN
processing; you then print it securely outside of ICSF.  I suppose it could
be done.

We used to use channel-attached security boxes and and 6250 impact printers
with special forms...now it's all network-attached on a private LAN, still
zHosted.  No ICSF but it's the same principle.

cheers
Peter

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Re: Question concerning pre-mature uncatalog/delete of a tape file.

[O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]]

Hi John,

Yes, I did notice that.

Checking the jcl the first reference to the dataset in question is

//M4OLD  DD  DSN=HLQ.PUBLIC.MASTER,DISP=(OLD,PASS,CATLG),  
//   UNIT=ETAPE,EXPDT=99000   

The second reference is a Icegener

//COPY.SYSUT2  DD  DSN=HLQ.PUBLIC.MASTER,DISP=(OLD,KEEP)  

One would think Expdt=99000 should have been coded here but that is not the 
case.

Dave O'Brien
NIH Contractor

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Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:50 PM
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Subject: Re: Question concerning pre-mature uncatalog/delete of a tape file.

Hi Dave,

I'm sure that you noticed but the CRTDT changed with RGWOPMSC @ 2009142
20.18.36.15. It went from
CRTDT=09135 EXPDT=99000 at 20.18.01.43 to CRTDT=09142 EXPDT=0 at
20.18.36.15. And it looks like the same job? I don't know how to read DAF
but could a step in the job (SYSUT2) opened the tape for output and
changed TMS?
Just a thought

Jack Kelly
202-502-2390 (Office)

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Help on IEBEDIT Utility

[SUBSCRIBE vignesh]

Hi, 

Iam trying to execute an IEBEDIT JCL on a JOB which is containing the PROC's 
and CTLCARDS. I want to skip the particular steps in this JCL .But when I 
execute this IEBEDIT jcl on the JOB which contains information like INCLUDE 
MEMBER=mem.name ... are not produced in the output. 

I am skipping those steps in the JOB for testing puposes. 

Sample JCL: 
Code: 

//job1000  JOB  NOTIFY=SYSUID  
//PROCLIB  JCLLIB ORDER=(xxx.LIB.PRC) 
// INCLUDE MEMBER=MEMBER
//MYPROC   EXEC PROC=MYPROC,HLQ7=A  
//MYPROC1  EXEC PROC=MYPROC,HLQ7=A  
//NOCOPY   EXEC PROC=MYPROC,HLQ7=A  
//MYPROC   EXEC PROC=MYPROC,HLQ7=A  
//NOCOPY2   EXEC PROC=MYPROC,HLQ7=A  
 


MY IEBEDIT STEP SYSIN card looks like this: 

Code: 

EDIT START=JOB1000,TYPE=EXCLUDE,STEPNAME=(NOCOPY,NOCOPY2) 



MY Output I get in SPOOL for SYSUT2 : 



Code: 

//job1000  JOB  NOTIFY=SYSUID
//PROCLIB  JCLLIB ORDER=(xxx.LIB.PRC)  
//MYPROC   EXEC PROC=MYPROC,HLQ7=A
//MYPROC1  EXEC PROC=MYPROC,HLQ7=A
//MYPROC   EXEC PROC=MYPROC,HLQ7=A


It is not containing the member names. 

Is there any uitlity which i can use to selectively skip the particular JCL 
steps?

Thanks for all your help.

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Re: Java V6 install problem

[Mark Jacobs]

Vince Getgood wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm also trying to do this install, and have followed the Read Me up to the 
 same point as the original poster, however, I'm, getting a different issue 
 (From 
 OMVS under TSO - z/os 1.9):-

 £ export PATH=/usr/lpp/java/Jv.r{_64}/J6.0_64/bin:£PATH 
 £ export DISPLAY=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:0.0  
 £ echo £PATH
 /usr/lpp/java/Jv.r{_64}/J6.0_64/bin:/bin
 £ echo £DISPLAY 
 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:0.0   
 £ java -version 
 Ý1¨ + Done(137) java -version   
   83886118  Killed  /usr/lpp/java/Jv.r{_64}/J6.0_64/bin/java

 I downloaded and ran Mark Zeldens' REXXSTOR, with the following result: -
  
  V I R T U A LS T O R A G EU S A G E 
  --- 
  
  
Region requested: 8192K   
  
  Max Priv Region Region Region Region
  Reg Size  Limit   Size In-Use  Avail
              
 Below 16M: 10216K  8256K  8192K88K  8168K
 Above 16M:   1927168K131072K131072K   420K130652K
  
 Above 2G : 0M (64-bit MEMLIMIT)

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Memlimit cannot be 0M for the 64Bbit JDK.

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Time Customer Service
Tampa, FL


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DFDSS QUESTION - PHYSICAL RESTORE

[John Dawes]

G'DAY,
 
I would like to test the contents of a physical volume backup.  If I perform a 
physical restore onto another spare volume would this cause any problems?  I 
have done this in the past and I have not encountered any difficulties. Just to 
be sure I thought I would check with you all.  The pack that was backed up was 
PLAN01.  I would like to retore the contents on to spare volume VESPR1.
 
//REST1   EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU,REGION=4096K,TIME=1440   
//DISK DD  VOL=SER=VESPR1,UNIT=SYSALLDA,DISP=OLD    
//TAPE1    DD  DSN=PROD.BKUP.JDE0P1.OFFSITE.PLAN01.G0002V00, 
// DISP=OLD 
//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=* 
//SYSIN    DD  *    
 RESTORE INDD(TAPE1) OUTDD(DISK) PURGE  
//* 
 
Thanks.



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Re: Java V6 install problem

[Chase, John]

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs
 
 Vince Getgood wrote:
  . . .
 
  Above 2G : 0M (64-bit MEMLIMIT)
 
  Any thoughts / ideas / suggestions?
 
 Memlimit cannot be 0M for the 64Bbit JDK.

Indeed, unlike REGION=0M which requests all available 24- and 31-bit
private storage, MEMLIMIT=0M requests that NO above-the-bar storage be
made available.  To get behavior equivalent to REGION=0M you need to
specify MEMLIMIT=NOLIMIT.  And if you don't specify an installation
default MEMLIMIT (SMFPRMxx, IEFUSI, etc.), you get NOTHING above the
bar.

-jc-

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Re: INFOZIP 2Gb

[Vikesh Bhoola]

Thanks to all that responded.
It appears that no one has experienced the same or had tried zipping
data larger than 2Gb.

The business purpose is to reduce data transmission time for data sent
to feed our data warehouse application.

What is of concern is INFOZIP job ended with RC=0 when it didn't ZIP the
entire file - it should have failed the job to indicate a problem.

Some interesting stats (for zipping a 651Mb file)
CPU TimeElapse Time Compression
(sec)   (sec)   (%)
JAR 68.4286.6   93
INFOZIP (fast)  23.4 40.8   92
INFOZIP (normal)40.2 48 93

We would have liked INFOZIP to work for files  2Gb as it appears to be
quicker than the jar method.
I guess the best free working solution is the jar function. It takes a
bit longer, but it does the job.

Our windows zip product successfully unzips the 1.2Gb (using jar method)
to 14.6Gb file, so I guess we don't have any 2Gb limit there. So for
INFOZIP, perhaps it's the _LARGE_FILES feature macro as mentioned - not
sure how to get pass that though.

Now we need to determine if the solution is viable ie. the time to do
the actual compression versus what we gain in reducing the data
transmission time.

Thanks to all for sharing.

Regards,
Vikesh Bhoola


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Sent: 03 June 2009 06:26 AM
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Subject: Re: INFOZIP 2Gb

You can use the jar command -- provided with the no charge IBM SDK for
z/OS, Java Technology Edition -- to create Zip files. For example:?

jar cf myarchive.zip file1.seq file2.seq file3.seq

I think this works:

jar -?

for producing a list of options. You can try these commands from the
OMVS
environment or from direct terminal connection to z/OS UNIX System
Services. You may need to specify the path to the jar command, depending
on
how your path environment is set up.

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IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect
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Re: Global mirroring

[Michael Saraco]

I have site A connected to site B and site A connected to site C and there 
is not a connection from site B to C.  Site A is production site B is a 
vendor provided DR site currently backing up to.  And site C will be our 
new DR site we want to backup to B and C until we test C then site B will 
go away.


Michael Saraco
Systems Consultant




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Are you asking about a particular IBM solution: Global Mirror, z/OS Global
Mirror, or Geographically Dispersed Parallel Sysplex (GDPS) Global Mirror?
Or all three?

And when you say you want to copy from site A to sites B and C, may we
assume you are talking about copying the same data from site A to the 
other
sites? Or different data (part of site A to B, and another part of A to 
C)?

I think I understand why different might be useful, at least in rare 
cases.
(You might want to have split responsibility for DR in some cases --
aligned with LPARs, functional areas, or whatever. It's a little
strange/unusual perhaps, but that's OK.) If the same data, what is the
disaster recovery scenario you're trying to solve? If site A fails and B
recovers, then what is C for? (I'm assuming B and C are not connected. Or
are they?) Are you thinking of protecting against a simultaneous failure 
of
site A plus either B or C (but not both)?

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Re: Question concerning pre-mature uncatalog/delete of a tape file.

[Lizette Koehler]

David, 

The second step seems to be a proc over ride statement.  What does the
SYSUT2 DD statement look like in the COPY Proc?

I would think that if there were an issue with CA1 then you would have more
than one tape dataset getting expired and scratched like this.  It is more
likely that the way the job ran caused the tape to be scratched.  The
original output from the job would be so helpful in resolving this issue.
However, since you no longer have that output, I am not sure what other
steps could help identify the issue.

Did you run the TMS AUDIT?  If so, what did it show?



Lizette


 
 Yes, I did notice that.
 
 Checking the jcl the first reference to the dataset in question is
 
 //M4OLD  DD  DSN=HLQ.PUBLIC.MASTER,DISP=(OLD,PASS,CATLG),
 //   UNIT=ETAPE,EXPDT=99000
 
 The second reference is a Icegener
 
 //COPY.SYSUT2  DD  DSN=HLQ.PUBLIC.MASTER,DISP=(OLD,KEEP)
 
 One would think Expdt=99000 should have been coded here but that is not
the case.
 
 I'm sure that you noticed but the CRTDT changed with RGWOPMSC @ 2009142
 20.18.36.15. It went from
 CRTDT=09135 EXPDT=99000 at 20.18.01.43 to CRTDT=09142 EXPDT=0 at
 20.18.36.15. And it looks like the same job? I don't know how to read DAF
 but could a step in the job (SYSUT2) opened the tape for output and
 changed TMS?
 Just a thought
 

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Re: INFOZIP 2Gb

[Bob Woodside]

On Wednesday 03 June 2009, Vikesh Bhoola wrote:

 We would have liked INFOZIP to work for files  2Gb as it appears to
 be quicker than the jar method.
 I guess the best free working solution is the jar function. It takes
 a bit longer, but it does the job.

 Our windows zip product successfully unzips the 1.2Gb (using jar
 method) to 14.6Gb file, so I guess we don't have any 2Gb limit there.
 So for INFOZIP, perhaps it's the _LARGE_FILES feature macro as
 mentioned - not sure how to get pass that though.

I think that your only option with Info-ZIP is to build from the latest 
source distributions (3.0 for zip, and 6.0 for unzip.) The 6.0 release 
of unzip is still Beta, but appears to be fairly solid; earlier unzip 
releases don't support file sizes  2GB.

There used to be a ton of Info-ZIP pre-built binaries floating around 
for various platforms (including the venerable mainframe), but there 
don't seem to be in recent years.

Cheers,
Bob

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Why are z/OS people reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?

[Steve Comstock]

When I grew up in the mainframe world, UNIX was
considered to be the enemy. But I was working for
IBM, and UNIX products were competitors, so that's
kind of an expected perspective.

Today, z/OS provides a rich set of UNIX services,
including HFS/zFS files, a shell, a UNIX kernel,
and more, to supplement / complement the classic
MVS facilities.

People who grew up with UNIX seem to despise or
denigrate z/OS UNIX as missing a lot of features or
behaviors that they are used to. But those of us who
grew up in the OS/360-and-successors world don't know
what we're missing, so it all seems to be pretty
handy as is. Of course, there's always something new
in the next release.

There has been a perception that UNIX is less secure
than z/OS. But I think that is an old perception.
And when you utilize z/OS UNIX, your primary security
comes from z/OS security services (RACF, Top Secret,
ACF2, and so on), so that applications using z/OS
UNIX should be as secure as any other z/OS applications.

Several people on the list talk about their manager's
dislike, distrust, disdain for z/OS UNIX (for example,
John McKown recently wrote, speaking of people at his
installation that would be left if he were to lose his
job: They seem to regard UNIX on z/OS as an abomination.)

I'd like to understand this visceral reaction, with an
eye to seeing what can be done to moderate it down to at
least a level of skepticism (OK, what can this do for
me?).


Of course, I have an agenda in doing this: I've written
a number of courses on using z/OS UNIX, and I'd like to
see some interest in companies taking this training.

I'm just finishing up a course on writing COBOL CGIs,
and it seems to me that if IT management truly wants to
keep costs down, they would look at using z/OS for
web hosting.

This can be done very inexpensively:

  * IBM provides two free HTTP servers, one
comes automatically with z/OS, the other
is free but must be ordered separately

  * Most installations already have a COBOL
compiler for writing CGI code, so there's
no additional cost for software and you
have staff that already knows the language

or you can write CGIs in Assembler (a
less attractive option in most shops)

  * Your installation already has VSAM and
probably some database product such as DB2,
so there's no need for any additional
software to serve up data

  * Although you don't need Java to do this,
if you want to use Java facilities, IBM
provides it at no charge

You don't need WebSphere; you don't need Java.
Just the free facilities available with your
z/OS system and your current programming staff.
But you do need to use at least some parts of
z/OS UNIX.

So what's the hangup about z/OS UNIX?




Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock
The Trainer's Friend, Inc.

303-393-8716
http://www.trainersfriend.com

  z/OS Application development made easier
* Our classes include
   + How things work
   + Programming examples with realistic applications
   + Starter / skeleton code
   + Complete working programs
   + Useful utilities and subroutines
   + Tips and techniques

== Check out the Trainer's Friend Store to purchase z/OS  ==
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Re: ICSF pin mailer printing

[Rob Schramm]

Frank,

Looks like there are two methods:
* roll your own
* DKMS

ICSF doesn't have an API that does 'generate pin mailer and print 
securely'  which of course would be pretty cool but is a little outside 
the box as it relates to what ICSF typically does.

Roll your own
* CSNBPGN to generate clear pin
* then off to how do I print it securely

DKMS
* IBM has a product to help with all the various key management stuff 
including pins and mailing.
* http://www.ibm.com/security/products/prod_dkms.shtml

Regards,
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Sirius Computer Solutions

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Re: Why are z/OS people reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?

[Klein, Kenneth]

 
I hear you, Steve. I'm a 50-something mainframe systems programmer and
still work on the big iron. But I also have been playing with Linux
since it came on 36 floppy disks and to install you had to create ram
disks. Just getting it to boot was a major success. In the early 90's I
had Red Hat serving a handful of people with UUCP to send/receive e-mail
(list serv) from all over the world. This was way before Al Gore
invented the WWW. I don't know how I knew Linux and *nix was going to be
so big but when IBM came our with USS I was overjoyed. And when IBM
announced Linux for a mainframe LPAR it felt like a prophecy revealed.

Here's one systems guy all for taking advantage of all platforms (except
Windoze).  

Ken Klein
Sr. Systems Programmer
kenneth.kl...@kyfb.com
502-495-5000 x7011

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Subject: Why are z/OS people reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?

When I grew up in the mainframe world, UNIX was considered to be the
enemy. But I was working for IBM, and UNIX products were competitors, so
that's kind of an expected perspective.

Today, z/OS provides a rich set of UNIX services, including HFS/zFS
files, a shell, a UNIX kernel, and more, to supplement / complement the
classic MVS facilities.

People who grew up with UNIX seem to despise or denigrate z/OS UNIX as
missing a lot of features or behaviors that they are used to. But those
of us who grew up in the OS/360-and-successors world don't know what
we're missing, so it all seems to be pretty handy as is. Of course,
there's always something new in the next release.

There has been a perception that UNIX is less secure than z/OS. But I
think that is an old perception.
And when you utilize z/OS UNIX, your primary security comes from z/OS
security services (RACF, Top Secret, ACF2, and so on), so that
applications using z/OS UNIX should be as secure as any other z/OS
applications.

Several people on the list talk about their manager's dislike, distrust,
disdain for z/OS UNIX (for example, John McKown recently wrote, speaking
of people at his installation that would be left if he were to lose his
job: They seem to regard UNIX on z/OS as an abomination.)

I'd like to understand this visceral reaction, with an eye to seeing
what can be done to moderate it down to at least a level of skepticism
(OK, what can this do for me?).


Of course, I have an agenda in doing this: I've written a number of
courses on using z/OS UNIX, and I'd like to see some interest in
companies taking this training.

I'm just finishing up a course on writing COBOL CGIs, and it seems to me
that if IT management truly wants to keep costs down, they would look at
using z/OS for web hosting.

This can be done very inexpensively:

   * IBM provides two free HTTP servers, one
 comes automatically with z/OS, the other
 is free but must be ordered separately

   * Most installations already have a COBOL
 compiler for writing CGI code, so there's
 no additional cost for software and you
 have staff that already knows the language

 or you can write CGIs in Assembler (a
 less attractive option in most shops)

   * Your installation already has VSAM and
 probably some database product such as DB2,
 so there's no need for any additional
 software to serve up data

   * Although you don't need Java to do this,
 if you want to use Java facilities, IBM
 provides it at no charge

You don't need WebSphere; you don't need Java.
Just the free facilities available with your z/OS system and your
current programming staff.
But you do need to use at least some parts of z/OS UNIX.

So what's the hangup about z/OS UNIX?




Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock
The Trainer's Friend, Inc.

303-393-8716
http://www.trainersfriend.com

   z/OS Application development made easier
 * Our classes include
+ How things work
+ Programming examples with realistic applications
+ Starter / skeleton code
+ Complete working programs
+ Useful utilities and subroutines
+ Tips and techniques

== Check out the Trainer's Friend Store to purchase z/OS  ==
== application developer toolkits. Sample code in four==
== programming languages, JCL to Assemble or compile, ==
== bind and test. ==
==   http://www.trainersfriend.com/TTFStore/index.html==

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Re: Question concerning pre-mature uncatalog/delete of a tape file.

[O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]]

Lizette,

The sysut2 in the proc is

//SYSUT2   DD  DISP=(NEW,KEEP,DELETE)   

I wholeheartedly agree that if this were a CA1 problem we would be talking 
about multiple tapes. However as is usually the case, unless I can prove to the 
user that we didn't scratch his file, it will be our fault. I was hoping that 
DAF would resolve the question but the last reference to this file shows 
Expdt=0 and an examination of the CA1 tape record shows an Expdt=99000.

No, didn't run the TMS audit yet. I'll look into that now.

Dave O'Brien
NIH Contractor

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette 
Koehler [stars...@mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:12 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Question concerning pre-mature uncatalog/delete of a tape file.

David,

The second step seems to be a proc over ride statement.  What does the
SYSUT2 DD statement look like in the COPY Proc?

I would think that if there were an issue with CA1 then you would have more
than one tape dataset getting expired and scratched like this.  It is more
likely that the way the job ran caused the tape to be scratched.  The
original output from the job would be so helpful in resolving this issue.
However, since you no longer have that output, I am not sure what other
steps could help identify the issue.

Did you run the TMS AUDIT?  If so, what did it show?



Lizette



 Yes, I did notice that.

 Checking the jcl the first reference to the dataset in question is

 //M4OLD  DD  DSN=HLQ.PUBLIC.MASTER,DISP=(OLD,PASS,CATLG),
 //   UNIT=ETAPE,EXPDT=99000

 The second reference is a Icegener

 //COPY.SYSUT2  DD  DSN=HLQ.PUBLIC.MASTER,DISP=(OLD,KEEP)

 One would think Expdt=99000 should have been coded here but that is not
the case.

 I'm sure that you noticed but the CRTDT changed with RGWOPMSC @ 2009142
 20.18.36.15. It went from
 CRTDT=09135 EXPDT=99000 at 20.18.01.43 to CRTDT=09142 EXPDT=0 at
 20.18.36.15. And it looks like the same job? I don't know how to read DAF
 but could a step in the job (SYSUT2) opened the tape for output and
 changed TMS?
 Just a thought


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Re: Why are z/OS people reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?

[Michael Sullivan]

I asked this question to an IBM'er who does z/OS release level stress
testing this past weekend in at a family party in Orange County NY. He
works in the Poughkeepsie Labs and he admitted customer adoption of
Unix systems services is slow, although he said they use it
internally! Seems your point about Mainframe security not to mention
the reduction of server sprawl are valid points that would only help
prolong and diversify the use of our beloved platform. I know of at
least one account Nationwide Insurance that has told me they have made
successful use of this option.

But back to my IBM acquaintance he seemed more concerned with IBM jobs
going to India and picking up the workload of a recently laid off
friend that he must now see around town.

Michael Sullivan

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com wrote:
 When I grew up in the mainframe world, UNIX was
 considered to be the enemy. But I was working for
 IBM, and UNIX products were competitors, so that's
 kind of an expected perspective.

 Today, z/OS provides a rich set of UNIX services,
 including HFS/zFS files, a shell, a UNIX kernel,
 and more, to supplement / complement the classic
 MVS facilities.

 People who grew up with UNIX seem to despise or
 denigrate z/OS UNIX as missing a lot of features or
 behaviors that they are used to. But those of us who
 grew up in the OS/360-and-successors world don't know
 what we're missing, so it all seems to be pretty
 handy as is. Of course, there's always something new
 in the next release.

 There has been a perception that UNIX is less secure
 than z/OS. But I think that is an old perception.
 And when you utilize z/OS UNIX, your primary security
 comes from z/OS security services (RACF, Top Secret,
 ACF2, and so on), so that applications using z/OS
 UNIX should be as secure as any other z/OS applications.

 Several people on the list talk about their manager's
 dislike, distrust, disdain for z/OS UNIX (for example,
 John McKown recently wrote, speaking of people at his
 installation that would be left if he were to lose his
 job: They seem to regard UNIX on z/OS as an abomination.)

 I'd like to understand this visceral reaction, with an
 eye to seeing what can be done to moderate it down to at
 least a level of skepticism (OK, what can this do for
 me?).


 Of course, I have an agenda in doing this: I've written
 a number of courses on using z/OS UNIX, and I'd like to
 see some interest in companies taking this training.

 I'm just finishing up a course on writing COBOL CGIs,
 and it seems to me that if IT management truly wants to
 keep costs down, they would look at using z/OS for
 web hosting.

 This can be done very inexpensively:

  * IBM provides two free HTTP servers, one
    comes automatically with z/OS, the other
    is free but must be ordered separately

  * Most installations already have a COBOL
    compiler for writing CGI code, so there's
    no additional cost for software and you
    have staff that already knows the language

    or you can write CGIs in Assembler (a
    less attractive option in most shops)

  * Your installation already has VSAM and
    probably some database product such as DB2,
    so there's no need for any additional
    software to serve up data

  * Although you don't need Java to do this,
    if you want to use Java facilities, IBM
    provides it at no charge

 You don't need WebSphere; you don't need Java.
 Just the free facilities available with your
 z/OS system and your current programming staff.
 But you do need to use at least some parts of
 z/OS UNIX.

 So what's the hangup about z/OS UNIX?




 Kind regards,

 -Steve Comstock
 The Trainer's Friend, Inc.

 303-393-8716
 http://www.trainersfriend.com

  z/OS Application development made easier
    * Our classes include
       + How things work
       + Programming examples with realistic applications
       + Starter / skeleton code
       + Complete working programs
       + Useful utilities and subroutines
       + Tips and techniques

 == Check out the Trainer's Friend Store to purchase z/OS  ==
 == application developer toolkits. Sample code in four    ==
 == programming languages, JCL to Assemble or compile,     ==
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Re: DB2 vs SYBASE or ORACLE

[McKown, John]

I never try to convince a bigot of anything. Cf: Matthew 7:6. 

Oracle has stablized their z/OS offering at the 10.2 level.

I know nothing of Sybase on z/OS.

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Re: INFOZIP 2Gb

[Rob Schramm]

Or you could head down the path of using a vendor zip.  I did a quick 
check.. PKZIP supports compression of files over 9 exebytes in size.  I am 
sure that there are others as well.


Rob Schramm
Sirius Computer Solutions

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Re: Java V6 install problem

[Mark Zelden]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:46:06 -0500, Chase, John jch...@ussco.com wrote:

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs

 Vince Getgood wrote:
  . . .
 
  Above 2G : 0M (64-bit MEMLIMIT)
 
  Any thoughts / ideas / suggestions?

 Memlimit cannot be 0M for the 64Bbit JDK.

Indeed, unlike REGION=0M which requests all available 24- and 31-bit
private storage, MEMLIMIT=0M requests that NO above-the-bar storage be
made available.  To get behavior equivalent to REGION=0M you need to
specify MEMLIMIT=NOLIMIT.  And if you don't specify an installation
default MEMLIMIT (SMFPRMxx, IEFUSI, etc.), you get NOTHING above the
bar.


Not entirely true.   REGION=0M can get you 64-bit MEMLIMIT.  It's all very
confusing,  but this APAR for z/OS 1.7 and z/OS 1.8 explains the 
behavior as of z/OS 1.9:


  APAR Identifier .. OA14391  Last Changed  06/07/20
  DEFAULT MEMLIMIT FOR JOBS STARTED WITH REGION=0 THAT HAVE REGION
   SUBSEQUENTLY LIMITED BY IEFUSI.

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Re: Java V6 install problem

[Vince Getgood]

Don't you just LOVE consistency?

As I'm working in a test LPAR, I changed SMFPRMxx to MEMLIMIT=1T, and 
now Marks rexx now shows: -

  V I R T U A LS T O R A G EU S A G E 
  --- 
  
  
Region requested: 8192K   
  
  Max Priv Region Region Region Region
  Reg Size  Limit   Size In-Use  Avail
              
 Below 16M: 10216K  8256K  8192K92K  8164K
 Above 16M:   1927168K131072K131072K   420K130652K
  
 Above 2G :32M (64-bit MEMLIMIT)  
 MEMLIMIT Source: IEFUSI

So IEFUSI is getting in the mix.  Now when I do the java -version, I get: -

JIT: fatal error, failed to allocate 8192 Kb data cache  
JVMJ9VM015W Initialization error for library j9jit24(11): cannot initialize JIT
Could not create the Java virtual machine.

However, java -fullversion gives: -

£ java -fullversion  
java full version JRE 1.6.0 IBM z/OS build pmz6460sr4-20090219_01 (SR4)

I think this is still a Virtual memoery issue, and I'm being limited by IEFUSI.

Any way around this without changing IEFUSI?


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Re: Why are z/OS people so reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?

[Bonno, Tuco]

It's just a light-weight variation on an old  theme that what's known, no 
matter how oppressive, often feels safer/more_comfortable than the unknown .
I myself have fun with *all* of them: mvs, unix, linux, windows, and os X

/s/ tuco bonno;
graduate, college of conflict management;
University of Southeast Asia;
I partied on the Ho Chi Minh trail -- tiến lên !!





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From: MVS OpenEdition [mailto:mvs...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock
Sent: Wednesday, 03 June, 2009 08:43 AM
To: mvs...@vm.marist.edu
Subject: Why are z/OS people so reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?

When I grew up in the mainframe world, UNIX was
considered to be the enemy. But I was working for
IBM, and UNIX products were competitors, so that's
kind of an expected perspective.

Today, z/OS provides a rich set of UNIX services,
including HFS/zFS files, a shell, a UNIX kernel,
and more, to supplement / complement the classic
MVS facilities.

People who grew up with UNIX seem to despise or
denigrate z/OS UNIX as missing a lot of features or
behaviors that they are used to. But those of us who
grew up in the OS/360-and-successors world don't know
what we're missing, so it all seems to be pretty
handy as is. Of course, there's always something new
in the next release.

There has been a perception that UNIX is less secure
than z/OS. But I think that is an old perception.
And when you utilize z/OS UNIX, your primary security
comes from z/OS security services (RACF, Top Secret,
ACF2, and so on), so that applications using z/OS
UNIX should be as secure as any other z/OS applications.

Several people on the list talk about their manager's
dislike, distrust, disdain for z/OS UNIX (for example,
John McKown recently wrote, speaking of people at his
installation that would be left if he were to lose his
job: They seem to regard UNIX on z/OS as an abomination.)

I'd like to understand this visceral reaction, with an
eye to seeing what can be done to moderate it down to at
least a level of skepticism (OK, what can this do for
me?).


Of course, I have an agenda in doing this: I've written
a number of courses on using z/OS UNIX, and I'd like to
see some interest in companies taking this training.

I'm just finishing up a course on writing COBOL CGIs,
and it seems to me that if IT management truly wants to
keep costs down, they would look at using z/OS for
web hosting.

This can be done very inexpensively:

   * IBM provides two free HTTP servers, one
 comes automatically with z/OS, the other
 is free but must be ordered separately

   * Most installations already have a COBOL
 compiler for writing CGI code, so there's
 no additional cost for software and you
 have staff that already knows the language

 or you can write CGIs in Assembler (a
 less attractive option in most shops)

   * Your installation already has VSAM and
 probably some database product such as DB2,
 so there's no need for any additional
 software to serve up data

   * Although you don't need Java to do this,
 if you want to use Java facilities, IBM
 provides it at no charge

You don't need WebSphere; you don't need Java.
Just the free facilities available with your
z/OS system and your current programming staff.
But you do need to use at least some parts of
z/OS UNIX.

So what's the hangup about z/OS UNIX?




Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock
The Trainer's Friend, Inc.

303-393-8716
http://www.trainersfriend.com

   z/OS Application development made easier
 * Our classes include
+ How things work
+ Programming examples with realistic applications
+ Starter / skeleton code
+ Complete working programs
+ Useful utilities and subroutines
+ Tips and techniques

== Check out the Trainer's Friend Store to purchase z/OS  ==
== application developer toolkits. Sample code in four==
== programming languages, JCL to Assemble or compile, ==
== bind and test. ==
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Re: Java V6 install problem

[Mark Zelden]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:22:52 -0500, Vince Getgood
vincent.getg...@xchanging.com wrote:

Don't you just LOVE consistency?

As I'm working in a test LPAR, I changed SMFPRMxx to MEMLIMIT=1T, and
now Marks rexx now shows: -

  V I R T U A LS T O R A G EU S A G E
  ---


Region requested: 8192K

  Max Priv Region Region Region Region
  Reg Size  Limit   Size In-Use  Avail
              
 Below 16M: 10216K  8256K  8192K92K  8164K
 Above 16M:   1927168K131072K131072K   420K130652K

 Above 2G :32M (64-bit MEMLIMIT)
 MEMLIMIT Source: IEFUSI

So IEFUSI is getting in the mix.  Now when I do the java -version, I get: -

JIT: fatal error, failed to allocate 8192 Kb data cache
JVMJ9VM015W Initialization error for library j9jit24(11): cannot initialize JIT
Could not create the Java virtual machine.

However, java -fullversion gives: -

£ java -fullversion
java full version JRE 1.6.0 IBM z/OS build pmz6460sr4-20090219_01 (SR4)

I think this is still a Virtual memoery issue, and I'm being limited by IEFUSI.

Any way around this without changing IEFUSI?



You can change your SMFPRMxx to include SUBSYS(OMVS,EXITS(...,...) 
and leave out IEFUSI.  Then SET SMF=xx.

This is what is recommended anyway.

Mark
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Re: CL/Supersession and APPN

[Chris Mason]

John

 Is it possible to get contact information for your customer that successfully 
set this up?

There's no point. When I said we, I was supporting the principle that it was 
a joint effort given that the nature of the engagement was best efforts 
rather than performance. However I have been responsible for all the 
technical input to the project. Supersession was working before the project, it 
continued working as each VTAM was enhanced with fully considered APPN 
definitions and finally had subarea definitions removed. It lacks now only a 
final change of one VTAM in one of the production sysplexes from being a 
Network Node to an End Node which depends on some channel-to-channel 
definitions being put in place.

So you see this has nothing to do with Supersession, which is SNA/VTAM 
business-as-usual, but everything to do with understanding the topic and 
planning - as I said before.

Another reason my precise customer experience may not be suitable is that 
you are involved with retiring your 3745s whereas my customer had already 
done that and, when I came on the scene, has a rather untidy mix of subarea 
and APPN - the latter caused by having added a few more VTAMs to the 
subarea, now ICN, VTAMs. If something worked, fine, if not, tant pis, they 
were lucky - that word again! - there were no showstoppers.

 I would like to get our VTAM systems programmer to work with your 
customer if possible.

I always find it better to talk directly to the person who is experiencing the 
problem. Shouldn't it be your VTAM systems programmer who is making the 
posts?

 ... but now he is struggling with CL/Supersession.

It might be best if each specific problem is presented, sense codes and all[1].

 Do you remember if you had to convert all the APPLIDs to use APPC=YES?

This somewhat shatters the presumption that you - or your VTAM systems 
programmer - has the education necessary to undertake the task even of 
maintaining the current subarea network. I detect a case of precipitate
[2] letting go here.

The purpose of APPC=YES is to authorize the use of an API provided by VTAM 
which goes some way to implementing the functions which should be provided 
by a full implementation of LU type 6.2. In specific terms it enables the use 
of 
the APPCCMD macros which can be found documented in the Communications 
Server (CS) SNA Programmer's LU 6.2 Guide and CS SNA Programmer's LU 6.2 
Reference.

It would be wrong to say that there is no connection between LU 6.2 and 
APPN. Because of its ancestry APPN, more specifically Low Entry Networking 
(LEN) from which APPN evolved, is most comfortable with LU type 6.2 sessions 
but APPN has provision for LU types which are not LU type 6.2. APPN employs 
LU type 6.2 for the LU to LU sessions which APPN uses for the services it 
provides.

You know you need to define APPC=YES when the documentation for the 
application says you need to use it. It will be because the application uses 
the 
VTAM APPCCMD API. You do not specify APPC=YES for any other reason.

Also, in order to prevent another possible trap: you do not necessarily need to 
specify APPC=YES whenever you know an application uses LU type 6.2. The 
most famous example of an application subsystem which supports LU type 6.2 
but does not use the APPCCMD API is CICS. In effect, the APPL statement for 
CICS uses the specification APPC=NO!

I wondered if you could do any harm by specifying APPC=YES. Probably not. If 
APPC=YES is specified, the default value for the PARSESS operand changes. If 
I thought long and hard about this I might be able to work out that it could 
cause mischief.

Incidentally, should you take a look at the table of contents in the CS SNA 
Programmer's LU 6.2 Guide manual, you'll find a section entitled VTAM as a 
session manager. No, it's still got nothing to do with Supersession!

 Since we didn't define anything in ISTAPNCP it can't locate the APPLID.

This is probably the most obvious indication that neither you nor your VTAM 
systems programmer have prepared yourselves for the task of enabling APPN 
in your VTAMs. It is not for a user to define anything in ISTAPNCP. VTAM 
defines ISTAPNCP in the following terms, taken from the first hit for 
ISTAPNCP in the CS SNA Resource Definition Reference manual:

quote

ISTAPNCP is a generic representation for an APPN CDRM.

/quote

What ISTAPNCP does is provide a placeholder where VTAM knows it should 
switch from using subarea session setup procedures in conjunction with other 
VTAMs in the subarea network to use APPN session setup procedures when 
routing the request which is used to initiate sessions, generally referred to 
as 
*searching*. If the attempt to set up the session starting from within what 
this VTAM views as the APPN network, the process can continue with 
additional other VTAMs in the subarea network. The SORDER start option is 
particularly important in determining where the ISTAPNCP placeholder is 
positioned in whatever list of other 

Re: INFOZIP 2Gb

[Hal Merritt]

Too bad your target host is not z/os. If it were, you could use native TCP/IP 
compression which is pretty darned good.

You specify TYPE E MODE C (in that order). You may or may not achieve 90% 
compression but I'd bet you would get a better overall elapsed time. 

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of 
Vikesh Bhoola
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:55 AM
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Subject: Re: INFOZIP 2Gb

Thanks to all that responded.
It appears that no one has experienced the same or had tried zipping
data larger than 2Gb.

The business purpose is to reduce data transmission time for data sent
to feed our data warehouse application.

What is of concern is INFOZIP job ended with RC=0 when it didn't ZIP the
entire file - it should have failed the job to indicate a problem.

Some interesting stats (for zipping a 651Mb file)
CPU TimeElapse Time Compression
(sec)   (sec)   (%)
JAR 68.4286.6   93
INFOZIP (fast)  23.4 40.8   92
INFOZIP (normal)40.2 48 93

We would have liked INFOZIP to work for files  2Gb as it appears to be
quicker than the jar method.
I guess the best free working solution is the jar function. It takes a
bit longer, but it does the job.

Our windows zip product successfully unzips the 1.2Gb (using jar method)
to 14.6Gb file, so I guess we don't have any 2Gb limit there. So for
INFOZIP, perhaps it's the _LARGE_FILES feature macro as mentioned - not
sure how to get pass that though.

Now we need to determine if the solution is viable ie. the time to do
the actual compression versus what we gain in reducing the data
transmission time.

Thanks to all for sharing.

Regards,
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Re: DB2 vs SYBASE or ORACLE

[Staller, Allan]

Can't speak to SYBASE. ORACLE v. DB2 ... Take your pick. Both will do
the job well, and both have flavors that run on many platforms (a not
necessarily congruent list).

HTH,

snip
Well, to put a bit of perspective on it.  DB2 is a crap database that
is pushed 
by IBM.  Compared to Sybase and Oracle it's the equivalent of an old
Skoda 
held together with bits of filler and newspaper

and, to add emphasis..(after I accused him of being brainwashed or 
blinkered).

just been in the real world working with all platforms.  I've worked
with DB2 
and as an Oracle DBA (and I started off on Sybase) I know shinola and I
know 
shit
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Re: Java V6 install problem

[Kirk Wolf]

This is somewhat off-topic, but if you don't have memory constraint issues
in your Java apps  ( 1.5GB heap), you are probably better off running the
31-bit version of Java 6.

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Re: Why are z/OS people reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?

[Shane]

On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 06:41 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote:

 So what's the hangup about z/OS UNIX?

Maybe the fact that for so much of its existence it was such a POS ?.
The initial iterations were bloody abysmal - poorly conceived, poorly
implemented and bloody near useless.
This have improved (there was only one direction it could go), but only
after inexcusable angst imposed on the user community.
I still have a hard time accepting
OMVS/OE/USS/whatever-the-marketing-people-called-it-this-week.

Shane ...
(and that from someone currently perusing the {Linux} memory management
source whilst watching the footy.)

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Re: Why are z/OS people reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?

[Steve Comstock]

Michael Sullivan wrote:

I asked this question to an IBM'er who does z/OS release level stress
testing this past weekend in at a family party in Orange County NY. He
works in the Poughkeepsie Labs and he admitted customer adoption of
Unix systems services is slow, although he said they use it
internally! Seems your point about Mainframe security not to mention
the reduction of server sprawl are valid points that would only help
prolong and diversify the use of our beloved platform. I know of at
least one account Nationwide Insurance that has told me they have made
successful use of this option.

But back to my IBM acquaintance he seemed more concerned with IBM jobs
going to India and picking up the workload of a recently laid off
friend that he must now see around town.


That's the other windmill I'm tilting at these days:
the benefits of insourcing - using local people for
local work. Working to once again build trust and
loyalty in the workplace, acknowledging that the
workplace of the 21st century is different from the
workplace of the 20th century.

21st century employees are unlikely to have company
sponsored health benefits or pensions beyond any
contributions to 401(k)-type plans. But they should
have some stability in the workplace: we all need
to have some kind of job / work. More will work at
least part time from home or maybe local business
service centers.

Sorry, rambling.



Michael Sullivan

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com wrote:

When I grew up in the mainframe world, UNIX was
considered to be the enemy. But I was working for
IBM, and UNIX products were competitors, so that's
kind of an expected perspective.

Today, z/OS provides a rich set of UNIX services,
including HFS/zFS files, a shell, a UNIX kernel,
and more, to supplement / complement the classic
MVS facilities.

People who grew up with UNIX seem to despise or
denigrate z/OS UNIX as missing a lot of features or
behaviors that they are used to. But those of us who
grew up in the OS/360-and-successors world don't know
what we're missing, so it all seems to be pretty
handy as is. Of course, there's always something new
in the next release.

There has been a perception that UNIX is less secure
than z/OS. But I think that is an old perception.
And when you utilize z/OS UNIX, your primary security
comes from z/OS security services (RACF, Top Secret,
ACF2, and so on), so that applications using z/OS
UNIX should be as secure as any other z/OS applications.

Several people on the list talk about their manager's
dislike, distrust, disdain for z/OS UNIX (for example,
John McKown recently wrote, speaking of people at his
installation that would be left if he were to lose his
job: They seem to regard UNIX on z/OS as an abomination.)

I'd like to understand this visceral reaction, with an
eye to seeing what can be done to moderate it down to at
least a level of skepticism (OK, what can this do for
me?).


Of course, I have an agenda in doing this: I've written
a number of courses on using z/OS UNIX, and I'd like to
see some interest in companies taking this training.

I'm just finishing up a course on writing COBOL CGIs,
and it seems to me that if IT management truly wants to
keep costs down, they would look at using z/OS for
web hosting.

This can be done very inexpensively:

 * IBM provides two free HTTP servers, one
   comes automatically with z/OS, the other
   is free but must be ordered separately

 * Most installations already have a COBOL
   compiler for writing CGI code, so there's
   no additional cost for software and you
   have staff that already knows the language

   or you can write CGIs in Assembler (a
   less attractive option in most shops)

 * Your installation already has VSAM and
   probably some database product such as DB2,
   so there's no need for any additional
   software to serve up data

 * Although you don't need Java to do this,
   if you want to use Java facilities, IBM
   provides it at no charge

You don't need WebSphere; you don't need Java.
Just the free facilities available with your
z/OS system and your current programming staff.
But you do need to use at least some parts of
z/OS UNIX.

So what's the hangup about z/OS UNIX?




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Re: FTP Question

[Pommier, Rex R.]

Mark,

Setting up and using a custom translate table is not only possible, but
fairly easy to do.  I just went through the exercise about a week ago.
If you go down the path of a custom translate table, you can contact me
off-list and I can give you the steps you need to go through.

Rex

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We are z/OS V1R9. When transferring a file from the MF to the Unix
Server the x'6a' is being translated to a ASCII x'1a'.  We need this to
be translated to an x'7c'. Does IBM have a translate table that does
this and if not how do I generate a translate table ?
 
Any help would be appreciated. 
 
Thank You


   
   
 

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TSM 's future on the z/OS platform

[Bob Molerio]

It appears that TSM 6.1 for z/OS has not been released and IBM is currently
evaluating whether or not to ever release it.

Anyone running TSM on z/OS might want to contact their Tivoli Storage
Manager sales or technical sales rep to get your voice heard on this topic.

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Re: Why are z/OS people so reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?

[Steven Conway]

Try creating GDG(+1) from z/OS Unix.  Note that using the 'cp' command 
generates two SMF 15 records - can't DSN trigger using it.  Find something 
else that works with GDGs.  I'll wait.
While I'm in the shell, I can't use split screen.  13.11 and 3.17 don't 
have all the capabilities of the shell.  Monitoring the Unix environment 
presents challenges.
I have a comprehensive set of JCL to do a zillion things in classic MVS. 
Shell scripts don't cut it.  Education issue?  Perhaps.  I'll get right on 
it in my copious free time.
Mainframe auditors trying to understand Unix security model or Unix 
auditors trying to audit z/OS - both keep my life interesting.
Inability of classic MVS utilities to manipulate Unix files.  Much as it 
grates, I have to agree with Mr Gilmartin.  If you really want adoption of 
Unix facilities, utilities and JCL should treat path/file same as DSN=, 
including executables.
Please, please, please give me error messages that don't require 
multistage lookup.  That LookAt and Quick-Ref can understand.

Short version:  the toolset is limited, Unix files are treated differently 
(or not at all) by traditional JCL and Utilities, Unix commands to 
manipulate data have (documented but non-intuitive) restrictions, and z 
Sysprogs are already swamped with keeping up with the technology, 
particularly in medium shops where very few people support a lot of 
infrastructure.

I don't dislike Unix at all.  I play with various versions of Unix and 
Linux at home.  It's interesting comparing different OS capabilities and 
facilities.  Here at work is a different story.  Unexpected difficulties 
in the movement of data between z/OS Unix and classic MVS, and the 
manipulation of data from one environment to the other, plus the lack of 
supporting tools, all contribute to reluctance to develop applications 
based on Unix facilities.


Cheers,,,Steve

Steve Conway
Lead Systems Programmer
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Computer  Network Operations
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Re: DB2 vs SYBASE or ORACLE

[Jim McAlpine]

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Rob Lister rob.lis...@aciworldwide.comwrote:

 Hi Folks,

 Certainly don't want to start a mine-is-bigger-than-yours debate, but Could
 any DB2 DBA help me (I hope) riddicule the following comment?

 Rob, you may be much better off asking the question on th DB2-L list.

Jim McAlpine

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Re: Why are z/OS people reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?

[Steven Conway]

Don't you hate it when Shane is so reluctant to express his true feelings? 
 G,D,R

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this country who no longer understand it.



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On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 06:41 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote:

 So what's the hangup about z/OS UNIX?

Maybe the fact that for so much of its existence it was such a POS ?.
The initial iterations were bloody abysmal - poorly conceived, poorly
implemented and bloody near useless.
This have improved (there was only one direction it could go), but only
after inexcusable angst imposed on the user community.
I still have a hard time accepting
OMVS/OE/USS/whatever-the-marketing-people-called-it-this-week.

Shane ...
(and that from someone currently perusing the {Linux} memory management
source whilst watching the footy.)

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Re: Why are z/OS people reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?

[Kirk Wolf]

IMO, there are two sides to z/OS Unix adoption story:

1) I think that z/OS Unix literacy amongst z/OS sysprogs is actually
improving.   Between 06 and 08 we taught a SHARE lab z/OS Tomcat in an
hour and there was a big improvement in the attendees' comfort with z/OS
Unix in that time.

2) Adoption of z/OS Unix by non-z/OS users is another story.  Although z/OS
does a good job of conforming to POSIX standards, it is weak compared to
other Unix systems in that common open source tools are not available, and
porting is often difficult.  (See the http://oss4zos.org Wiki)

Kirk Wolf
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Re: DB2 vs SYBASE or ORACLE

[Hal Merritt]

I don't see this as a DB2 issue. I hear the same kind of thing about other 
products: Mine is better than yours because I know so. 

About the only thing I can suggest is to smile and say Yes, grasshopper*. :-)

Seriously, it's probably better that he somehow learn on his own that the 
technical merits of a given product aren't the only criteria. That is, yes, 
this may be true but there are larger truths.   

With any luck, you'll drive him to try to back his opinions with facts and the 
opinions of others. As he digs, he'll grow. 

*For my non-US friends - this comes from a US TV show where the very wise 
master patiently mentored a child toward enlightenment. The master gave the 
child the nickname 'grasshopper'.


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To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: DB2 vs SYBASE or ORACLE

Hi Folks,

Certainly don't want to start a mine-is-bigger-than-yours debate, but Could 
any DB2 DBA help me (I hope) riddicule the following comment?

Well, to put a bit of perspective on it.  DB2 is a crap database that is 
pushed 
by IBM.  Compared to Sybase and Oracle it's the equivalent of an old Skoda 
held together with bits of filler and newspaper

and, to add emphasis..(after I accused him of being brainwashed or 
blinkered).

just been in the real world working with all platforms.  I've worked with DB2 
and as an Oracle DBA (and I started off on Sybase) I know shinola and I know 
shit
..snip 
 
Many thanks for any/all observations.

Cheers,

Rob

 
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Re: DB2 vs SYBASE or ORACLE

[Pommier, Rex R.]

Rob,

While I can't speak to the Oracle vs DB2 issue you are asking about,
other than to echo what others have said, that being they are both very
good DBMSs, I have a different request.

While the language you used in your quote from your coworker doesn't
offend me, it really bothered out inappropriate content filter.  I
don't know how many other installations have such a beast front-ending
their incoming e-mails, but I'm pretty sure at least some of the
installations have such an animal, with some probably configured to
simply throw away any e-mail it finds.  You may find that you don't get
as many replies simply because fewer of your compatriots see the e-mail.


Rex


 

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Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:08 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: DB2 vs SYBASE or ORACLE

Hi Folks,

Certainly don't want to start a mine-is-bigger-than-yours debate, but
Could 
any DB2 DBA help me (I hope) riddicule the following comment?

Well, to put a bit of perspective on it.  DB2 is a crap database that
is pushed 
by IBM.  Compared to Sybase and Oracle it's the equivalent of an old
Skoda 
held together with bits of filler and newspaper

and, to add emphasis..(after I accused him of being brainwashed or 
blinkered).

just been in the real world working with all platforms.  I've worked
with DB2 
and as an Oracle DBA (and I started off on Sybase) I know shinola and I
know 
s***

This is from a collegue I work with. His skills are (I Think) mainly
Unix and I 
know he has never worked on a Z platform (maybe P?). The  reference to 
Skoda may give him away. Skoda's are now pretty good cars, unlike 20
years 
ago. Think his comment comes from some repressed 20 year old experience?

I'm a zOS SysProg currently trying to install our product into a USS
area back 
ended by DB2 with MQ providing the comms. I'm struggling with the Unix
side 
at the moment so have to ask for help on a few occasions.

Unfortunately, my DB2 skills are not sufficient to rebutt the above
statements. 
I'd love to hear from a DB2 DBA who could. 

From my point of view, I heartilly dislike the 'vi' command in unix (I
always use 
OEDIT if poss) but don't say it is rubbish as I don't have the knowledge
of 
using 'vi' for 30 years. I simply prefer ISPF which I HAVE used for 30
years.

Is this the same sort of thing - Is this guy so anti Mainframe, he
actually 
believes what he says?

Many thanks for any/all observations.

Cheers,

Rob

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Re: Why are z/OS people reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?

[Hal Merritt]

Developing a product under z/os UNIX raises the complexity but just does not 
add that much value.  

Using a ZFS/HFS file over a z/os dataset is just a matter of personal 
preference by the developers but can be a huge PITA for us support folks. 

We ask why we have to have two completely different infrastructures. That 
raises the cost of doing business, sometimes more so than the value added by 
the product.  Complexity breeds fragility. 

Just my $0.02 






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Subject: Why are z/OS people reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?

 ..snip

So what's the hangup about z/OS UNIX?




Kind regards,

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Re: Java V6 install problem

[Vince Getgood]

You can change your SMFPRMxx to include SUBSYS(OMVS,EXITS(...,...) 
and leave out IEFUSI.  Then SET SMF=xx.

In the SMFPRM that I'm using, I have: -

SUBSYS(OMVS,NOTYPE(4,5,19,20,40,62,63,65:69,99)
   NOEXITS,INTERVAL(01),DETAIL)

So IEFUSI isn't affecting OMVS, right?

Shouldn't I be putting SUBSYS(TSO,EXITS(,)) instead?

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Re: Help on IEBEDIT Utility

[Terry Sambrooks]

Hi,

With regard to Iam trying to execute an IEBEDIT JCL on a JOB which is
containing the PROC's and CTLCARDS. I want to skip the particular steps in
this JCL .But when I execute this IEBEDIT jcl on the JOB which contains
information like INCLUDE MEMBER=mem.name ... are not produced in the
output.

I cannot help solve the problem, but can confirm that when the
TYPE=INCLUDE|EXCLUDE option is used, IEBEDIT fails to process INCLUDE or SET
statements ahead of the first EXEC statement in the job stream being
processed. The statements are processed if the TYPE option is omitted from
the EDIT statement.

If the INCLUDE after the JCLLIB statement is converted to a comment so that
the statement immediately following the JCLLIB reads:

//* INCLUDE MEMBER=MEMBER 

It is capture by the EDIT process with TYPE=EXCLUDE, but this then means a
manual alteration to the jobstream to remove the asterisk.

These method of operation looks like a feature of IEBEDIT.

Kind regards - Terry

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Re: Question concerning pre-mature uncatalog/delete of a tape file.

[John Kelly]

Hey Dave,

Yeah, since I would assume that SYSUT2 is output, it should update the TMC 
and with no EXPDT=99000 I would image TMS would update it to zeros. Seems 
like they have the EXPDT=99000 on the wrong step because the first one 
seems to have read the tape while the other step wrote to it. Don't 
remember but did you say that this had been running and 'no problems'?

Jack 

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Hi John,

Yes, I did notice that.

Checking the jcl the first reference to the dataset in question is

//M4OLD  DD  DSN=HLQ.PUBLIC.MASTER,DISP=(OLD,PASS,CATLG), 
//   UNIT=ETAPE,EXPDT=99000 

The second reference is a Icegener

//COPY.SYSUT2  DD  DSN=HLQ.PUBLIC.MASTER,DISP=(OLD,KEEP) 

One would think Expdt=99000 should have been coded here but that is not 
the case.
 
Dave O'Brien
NIH Contractor

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file.

Hi Dave,

I'm sure that you noticed but the CRTDT changed with RGWOPMSC @ 2009142
20.18.36.15. It went from
CRTDT=09135 EXPDT=99000 at 20.18.01.43 to CRTDT=09142 EXPDT=0 at
20.18.36.15. And it looks like the same job? I don't know how to read DAF
but could a step in the job (SYSUT2) opened the tape for output and
changed TMS?
Just a thought

Jack Kelly
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Re: Would an IODF configuration work for diferent devices ?

[carlos roberto visconde]

Yes, It works. Change the Device configuration.



2009/6/3 Cwi Jeret cwi_je...@yahoo.com

 Hello,
 My question is :

 Given the following working configuration -

 ++
 |  LPAR  A  |   LPAR  B |
 +--++--++---+
 |chpid 23| |chpid 35|
+---++ +-+-+
  ||
  ||
  ||
 +---+   +--+
 |CU 100 CUAD 1 ||CU 300 CUAD 1 |
 +---+---+   +---+--+
||
||
|  +---+
|  |
 +---+
 |3390 addr range|
 | 1300 - 13FF|
 +---+

 Now I want to let LPAR B work with the same IODF-IOCDS configuration
 on an seperate Disk device with the same addresses !
 ( Chpid and CU 300 CUAD 1  -  left as is ) like the following :


 +---+
 |  LPAR  A |  LPAR  B |
 +--++--++--+
 |chpid 23| |chpid 35|
 +---+---+ +---+---+
   |  |
   |  |
   |  |
 +---+   +---+
 |CU 100 CUAD 1 ||CU 300 CUAD 1 |
 +---+---+   +---+--+
  |  |
  |  |
 +---+   +---+
 |3390 addr range|   |3390 addr range|
 | 1300 - 13FF|   | 1300 - 13FF |
 +---+   +---+

 Would this changed configuration work
 with the same IODF-IOCDS  definitions ???

 C. Jeret
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Re: ICSF pin mailer printing

[Frank Swarbrick]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:58:59 -0400, Rob Schramm 
rob.schr...@siriuscom.com wrote:

Frank,

Looks like there are two methods:
* roll your own
* DKMS

ICSF doesn't have an API that does 'generate pin mailer and print
securely'  which of course would be pretty cool but is a little outside
the box as it relates to what ICSF typically does.

Roll your own
* CSNBPGN to generate clear pin
* then off to how do I print it securely

DKMS
* IBM has a product to help with all the various key management stuff
including pins and mailing.
* http://www.ibm.com/security/products/prod_dkms.shtml

Thanks for the information, Rob!  It looks like DKMS may be exactly the 
solution.  Though actually we are looking in to outsourcing our PIN printing, 
so 
it may be a moot question anyway.

Thanks also to Pierre for his input.

Frank

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Re: DFDSS QUESTION - PHYSICAL RESTORE

[John Kelly]

snip
 If I perform a physical restore onto another spare volume would this 
cause any problems?
unsnip

Other than destroying the contents of VESPR1 with JDE0P1's data, you 
should be good to go. Since you're not changing the VOLSER, VSAM and SMS 
may be problematic but JDE0P1's data will be there.

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Re: INFOZIP 2Gb

[Ted MacNEIL]

PKZIP supports compression of files over 9 exebytes in size.

We went from PKZIP to ZIP/390, because of cost and support issues.
ZIP/390 comes from DATA21 (www.data21.com).

Both companies support lines are only open 9-5, M-F (local time).
DATA21 is in California, and PKZIP is in Phili (I believe).

I am sure that there are others as well.

I cannot speak to file size.
We rarely had files over 500 Mb.

The only 'flaws' I've found in ZIP/390:
1. You cannot add a file to an existing archive.
2. You cannot compress VSAM; this is an added cost feature in PKZIP.

The other problem with PKZIP/MVS, beside the ones I mentioned above, is 
archiving PDSE's.
This is automatic with ZIP/390 and a cost feature with PKZIP.

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Re: Question concerning pre-mature uncatalog/delete of a tape file.

[O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]]

Hi Jack,

That is correct, jcl has been running for years not has not been changed.
I am currently running a TMS Audit, per Lizette's suggestion. Perhaps that will 
shed some light on the subject.

Dave O'Brien
NIH Contractor

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Hey Dave,

Yeah, since I would assume that SYSUT2 is output, it should update the TMC
and with no EXPDT=99000 I would image TMS would update it to zeros. Seems
like they have the EXPDT=99000 on the wrong step because the first one
seems to have read the tape while the other step wrote to it. Don't
remember but did you say that this had been running and 'no problems'?

Jack

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Hi John,

Yes, I did notice that.

Checking the jcl the first reference to the dataset in question is

//M4OLD  DD  DSN=HLQ.PUBLIC.MASTER,DISP=(OLD,PASS,CATLG),
//   UNIT=ETAPE,EXPDT=99000

The second reference is a Icegener

//COPY.SYSUT2  DD  DSN=HLQ.PUBLIC.MASTER,DISP=(OLD,KEEP)

One would think Expdt=99000 should have been coded here but that is not
the case.

Dave O'Brien
NIH Contractor

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Hi Dave,

I'm sure that you noticed but the CRTDT changed with RGWOPMSC @ 2009142
20.18.36.15. It went from
CRTDT=09135 EXPDT=99000 at 20.18.01.43 to CRTDT=09142 EXPDT=0 at
20.18.36.15. And it looks like the same job? I don't know how to read DAF
but could a step in the job (SYSUT2) opened the tape for output and
changed TMS?
Just a thought

Jack Kelly
202-502-2390 (Office)

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Re: SMP/E packaging of maintence / products

[R.S.]

Schwarz, Barry A pisze:

IND$FILE works with real hard-wired 3270s, not 3270 emulators??

When I excluded anything modern, that included PCs.


I think this is not true. It must be some nightmare, maybe a vision of 
mainframer's hell...


PC is not very modern. It was invented in 1980 or 1981.
30y old thing in IT world shouldn't be considered as modern.

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Re: Why are z/OS people reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?

[Guy Gardoit]

There's always some people afraid of change.  Nothing can be done to fix
that.

 I've been happily using IBM's mainframe Unix (for a lack of a better term)
since OE first came out.   Ignorant of so-called true Unix, I was eager
to learn all I could about IBM's offering.   Good stuff that keeps getting
better!

Guy Gardoit
z/OS Systems Programming

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.comwrote:

 When I grew up in the mainframe world, UNIX was
 considered to be the enemy. But I was working for
 IBM, and UNIX products were competitors, so that's
 kind of an expected perspective.

 Today, z/OS provides a rich set of UNIX services,
 including HFS/zFS files, a shell, a UNIX kernel,
 and more, to supplement / complement the classic
 MVS facilities.

 People who grew up with UNIX seem to despise or
 denigrate z/OS UNIX as missing a lot of features or
 behaviors that they are used to. But those of us who
 grew up in the OS/360-and-successors world don't know
 what we're missing, so it all seems to be pretty
 handy as is. Of course, there's always something new
 in the next release.

 There has been a perception that UNIX is less secure
 than z/OS. But I think that is an old perception.
 And when you utilize z/OS UNIX, your primary security
 comes from z/OS security services (RACF, Top Secret,
 ACF2, and so on), so that applications using z/OS
 UNIX should be as secure as any other z/OS applications.

 Several people on the list talk about their manager's
 dislike, distrust, disdain for z/OS UNIX (for example,
 John McKown recently wrote, speaking of people at his
 installation that would be left if he were to lose his
 job: They seem to regard UNIX on z/OS as an abomination.)

 I'd like to understand this visceral reaction, with an
 eye to seeing what can be done to moderate it down to at
 least a level of skepticism (OK, what can this do for
 me?).


 Of course, I have an agenda in doing this: I've written
 a number of courses on using z/OS UNIX, and I'd like to
 see some interest in companies taking this training.

 I'm just finishing up a course on writing COBOL CGIs,
 and it seems to me that if IT management truly wants to
 keep costs down, they would look at using z/OS for
 web hosting.

 This can be done very inexpensively:

  * IBM provides two free HTTP servers, one
comes automatically with z/OS, the other
is free but must be ordered separately

  * Most installations already have a COBOL
compiler for writing CGI code, so there's
no additional cost for software and you
have staff that already knows the language

or you can write CGIs in Assembler (a
less attractive option in most shops)

  * Your installation already has VSAM and
probably some database product such as DB2,
so there's no need for any additional
software to serve up data

  * Although you don't need Java to do this,
if you want to use Java facilities, IBM
provides it at no charge

 You don't need WebSphere; you don't need Java.
 Just the free facilities available with your
 z/OS system and your current programming staff.
 But you do need to use at least some parts of
 z/OS UNIX.

 So what's the hangup about z/OS UNIX?




 Kind regards,

 -Steve Comstock
 The Trainer's Friend, Inc.

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* Our classes include
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   + Programming examples with realistic applications
   + Starter / skeleton code
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   + Tips and techniques

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Re: Why are z/OS people so reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?

[Farley, Peter x23353]

Cross-posted to IBM-MAIN.

Part of the problem is administrative.  Some shops provide no OMVS
segment or user file system space by default to programmers.  You have
to ask for and justify it.

Part of the problem is, indeed, the unavailability of the commonly used
GNU tools (again, you need the sysprogs to install the tools that are
ported, and that means a justified request must be made).  The commonly
available z/OS Unix tools just don't work the same as the GNU versions
in many cases, and this drives people away.

Part of the problem for classic mainframe programmers is that most of
the tools don't directly support classic MVS datasets.  Even simple
sequential text data needs to be copied to *FS file system space to be
usable by the tools, and that is an unacceptable waste of storage (which
is still scarce in some shops).  AWK, as a counter-example, does support
classic datasets, but most tools do not.  Or did not, I may be
out-of-date with that assessment.

Part of the problem is poor performance.  I will admit up front that I
have not personally re-visited this issue in a few years, but there was
a time I tried to port a fairly complex text-processing AWK script from
PC to z/OS Unix.  What took only 10 seconds to execute on the PC was
running in batch for over 15 minutes (and still not complete) and
consuming 25% of the CPU on a 5-engine LPAR.  That is just not
supportable, and is in fact inexcusable.  It drives people away.

Too many reasons not to use it, and not enough business- and
programmer-friendly reasons to use it.

They need to do much better.  Adapting the Linux kernel to be the OMVS
kernel would have been a better solution than adapting AIX IMHO, but I
already know that that isn't ever going to change.

Peter

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 Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:45 AM
 To: assembler-l...@listserv.uga.edu
 Subject: Why are z/OS people so reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?

 When I grew up in the mainframe world, UNIX was
 considered to be the enemy. But I was working for
 IBM, and UNIX products were competitors, so that's
 kind of an expected perspective.
Snipped
 I'd like to understand this visceral reaction, with an
 eye to seeing what can be done to moderate it down to at
 least a level of skepticism (OK, what can this do for
 me?).

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Re: Java V6 install problem

[Mark Zelden]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:53:04 -0500, Vince Getgood
vincent.getg...@xchanging.com wrote:

You can change your SMFPRMxx to include SUBSYS(OMVS,EXITS(...,...)
and leave out IEFUSI.  Then SET SMF=xx.

In the SMFPRM that I'm using, I have: -

SUBSYS(OMVS,NOTYPE(4,5,19,20,40,62,63,65:69,99)
   NOEXITS,INTERVAL(01),DETAIL)

So IEFUSI isn't affecting OMVS, right?

Shouldn't I be putting SUBSYS(TSO,EXITS(,)) instead?



Sorry, since you are using TSO OMVS, then that is where IEFUSI is
getting control.  

If you have it configured, telnet directly into z/OS Unix and try
it (I have z/OS Unix telnet set up for port 623).

Otherwise, either exclude your exit from TSO or modify it.

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Re: Why are z/OS people so reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?

[Klein, Kenneth]

 Right Peter,

And with Linux running right next door on the same CEC why bother with
OE? I don't think they can share DASD but FTP would be real fast. 


Ken Klein
Sr. Systems Programmer
kenneth.kl...@kyfb.com
502-495-5000 x7011

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Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:52 AM
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Subject: Re: Why are z/OS people so reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?

Cross-posted to IBM-MAIN.

Part of the problem is administrative.  Some shops provide no OMVS
segment or user file system space by default to programmers.  You have
to ask for and justify it.

Part of the problem is, indeed, the unavailability of the commonly used
GNU tools (again, you need the sysprogs to install the tools that are
ported, and that means a justified request must be made).  The commonly
available z/OS Unix tools just don't work the same as the GNU versions
in many cases, and this drives people away.

Part of the problem for classic mainframe programmers is that most of
the tools don't directly support classic MVS datasets.  Even simple
sequential text data needs to be copied to *FS file system space to be
usable by the tools, and that is an unacceptable waste of storage (which
is still scarce in some shops).  AWK, as a counter-example, does support
classic datasets, but most tools do not.  Or did not, I may be
out-of-date with that assessment.

Part of the problem is poor performance.  I will admit up front that I
have not personally re-visited this issue in a few years, but there was
a time I tried to port a fairly complex text-processing AWK script from
PC to z/OS Unix.  What took only 10 seconds to execute on the PC was
running in batch for over 15 minutes (and still not complete) and
consuming 25% of the CPU on a 5-engine LPAR.  That is just not
supportable, and is in fact inexcusable.  It drives people away.

Too many reasons not to use it, and not enough business- and
programmer-friendly reasons to use it.

They need to do much better.  Adapting the Linux kernel to be the OMVS
kernel would have been a better solution than adapting AIX IMHO, but I
already know that that isn't ever going to change.

Peter

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 l...@listserv.uga.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock
 Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:45 AM
 To: assembler-l...@listserv.uga.edu
 Subject: Why are z/OS people so reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?

 When I grew up in the mainframe world, UNIX was considered to be the 
 enemy. But I was working for IBM, and UNIX products were competitors, 
 so that's kind of an expected perspective.
Snipped
 I'd like to understand this visceral reaction, with an eye to seeing 
 what can be done to moderate it down to at least a level of skepticism

 (OK, what can this do for me?).

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Storage Allocations

[Joseph Reichman]

I know a few of you helped me in the Past with this question Thankx ( If I 
forgot)
 
But let me reiterate for a  Common Storage Address 
 
The GDA would have storage thats was already allocated while using VSMLOC would 
tell if the storage address was obtained through GETMAIN/STORAGE macro  
 
 
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Re: DFDSS QUESTION - PHYSICAL RESTORE

[Hal Merritt]

Unless, of course, that physical volume has any striped datasets or datasets 
with extents on other volumes. If so, then you need all of the volumes involved 
and the backups have to be at a point of consistency (all the affected datasets 
closed and not in use). 



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Subject: DFDSS QUESTION - PHYSICAL RESTORE

G'DAY,
 
I would like to test the contents of a physical volume backup.  If I perform a 
physical restore onto another spare volume would this cause any problems?  I 
have done this in the past and I have not encountered any difficulties. Just to 
be sure I thought I would check with you all.  The pack that was backed up was 
PLAN01.  I would like to retore the contents on to spare volume VESPR1.
 
//REST1   EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU,REGION=4096K,TIME=1440   
//DISK DD  VOL=SER=VESPR1,UNIT=SYSALLDA,DISP=OLD    
//TAPE1    DD  DSN=PROD.BKUP.JDE0P1.OFFSITE.PLAN01.G0002V00, 
// DISP=OLD 
//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=* 
//SYSIN    DD  *    
 RESTORE INDD(TAPE1) OUTDD(DISK) PURGE  
//* 
 
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HSM: Recall uncataloged data set

[Howard Whitehead]

Hello everyone.  I have some datasets on ML2 that have long since been
uncataloged that I need to recall. I've loked for ways to either recatalog
then recall them or recall and recatalog them, but no luckthere yet.  

Thanks.

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CTRACE problems, recording and viewing

[John Kelly]

Two questions about CTRACE

1) Trying to see the trace via IPCS and I get 
ITT10013I The CTRACE subcommand does not support formatting for 
COMP(SYSTCPDA) 

If I do CTRACE QUERY, I get SYSTCPDA and SYSTCPIP as components 
adn they have our stack as the subsys name. I   really thing that I'm 
missing a LoadLib in my TSO allocation BUT I can't find any mention of a 
particular lib.
2) coding the parmlib member (CTIEZBJK) seems to be an exercise in 
frustration. CTIEZBJK contents are:
TRACEOPTS ON OPTIONS=('TCPMIN',IPADDR(xxx.xxx.xx.xx))  [it really 
doesn't like commas between operands.]
 the command I entered was TRACE 
CT,ON,COMP=SYSTCPIP,SUB=(TCP390T),PARM=CTIEZBJK
and the error msgs are:
   INPUT LINE: TRACEOPTS ON OPTIONS=('TCPMIN',IPADDR(xxx.xxx.xx.xx))
 ITT016I SYNTAX ERROR IN PARMLIB MEMBER=CTIEZBJK LINE1. 
QUOTED_STRING EXPECTED BEFORE IPADDR.
 INPUT LINE: TRACEOPTS ON OPTIONS=('TCPMIN',IPADDR(xxx.xxx.xx.xx))
 ITT018I PARSING OF PARMLIB MEMBER=CTIEZBJK CONTINUED AT ), LINE  
1.
 INPUT LINE: TRACEOPTS ON OPTIONS=('TCPMIN',IPADDR(xxx.xxx.xx.xx))
 ITT020I QUOTED_STRING WAS ASSUMED BEFORE THE ERROR POINT IN 
PARMLIB 655
 MEMBER=CTIEZBJK, LINE1.
 INPUT LINE: TRACEOPTS ON OPTIONS=('TCPMIN',IPADDR(xxx.xxx.xx.xx))
 ITT017I SYNTAX ERROR IN PARMLIB MEMBER=CTIEZBJK ON LINE1 P 
POSITION   54. ) WAS SEEN, WHERE ONE OF:
 ASID JOBNAME BUFSIZE OPTIONS WTR WTRSTART
 WOULD BE CORRECT.

If I don't put the quote around the TCPMIN, i get other errors.
I did get it to record by leaving off the 'parm' abd then replying to the 
WTOR with the test from CTIEZBJK. 
Anyone have this working? We're at 1.9 and I'm trying to trace TN3270 
errors, ie AB/S622 which the 'network' folks say isn't their issue (one of 
these day I'm going to see an issue that is theirs).
TIA

Jack Kelly
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Re: Recall uncataloged data set

[Pommier, Rex R.]

How do you know they're still on the ML2 tape?  

Were these datasets backed up by DFHSM before migration?  If so, could
you try a recover of the backup instead of a recall of the migrate?

Rex

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Subject: HSM: Recall uncataloged data set

Hello everyone.  I have some datasets on ML2 that have long since been
uncataloged that I need to recall. I've loked for ways to either
recatalog
then recall them or recall and recatalog them, but no luckthere yet.  

Thanks.

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Re: Recall uncataloged data set

[Staller, Allan]

DEF NVSAM(NAME('original.dsn') DEVT(3390) VOL(MIGRAT))

Then issue hrecall

snip

Hello everyone.  I have some datasets on ML2 that have long since been
uncataloged that I need to recall. I've loked for ways to either
recatalog
then recall them or recall and recatalog them, but no luckthere yet. 
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Re: TSM 's future on the z/OS platform

[Bruno Sugliani]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:43:42 -0500, Bob Molerio bobmole...@gmail.com wrote:

It appears that TSM 6.1 for z/OS has not been released and IBM is currently
evaluating whether or not to ever release it.

Anyone running TSM on z/OS might want to contact their Tivoli Storage
Manager sales or technical sales rep to get your voice heard on this topic.

I understood that it was because the new release does not use the
proprietary database anymore, and they would have to rewrite a big part of
the code  
Anyway, obviously IBM is not very interested in having this product under z/OS
We have to remember that they changed the billing scheme 3 years ago or so.  
TSM became a Full capacity product, and you are billed for all even if you
run it on one single LPAR ( i remember posting about it at the time ) 
Not very incentive to say the least.
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Re: Help on IEBEDIT Utility

[Rick Fochtman]

AFAIK, IEBEDIT has never been updated to recognize the INCLUDE 
statement. Have you considered opening a PMR on this issue?


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SUBSCRIBE vignesh wrote:

Hi, 

Iam trying to execute an IEBEDIT JCL on a JOB which is containing the PROC's 
and CTLCARDS. I want to skip the particular steps in this JCL .But when I 
execute this IEBEDIT jcl on the JOB which contains information like INCLUDE 
MEMBER=mem.name ... are not produced in the output. 

I am skipping those steps in the JOB for testing puposes. 

Sample JCL: 
Code: 

//job1000  JOB  NOTIFY=SYSUID  
//PROCLIB  JCLLIB ORDER=(xxx.LIB.PRC) 
// INCLUDE MEMBER=MEMBER
//MYPROC   EXEC PROC=MYPROC,HLQ7=A  
//MYPROC1  EXEC PROC=MYPROC,HLQ7=A  
//NOCOPY   EXEC PROC=MYPROC,HLQ7=A  
//MYPROC   EXEC PROC=MYPROC,HLQ7=A  
//NOCOPY2   EXEC PROC=MYPROC,HLQ7=A  




MY IEBEDIT STEP SYSIN card looks like this: 

Code: 

EDIT START=JOB1000,TYPE=EXCLUDE,STEPNAME=(NOCOPY,NOCOPY2) 




MY Output I get in SPOOL for SYSUT2 : 




Code: 

//job1000  JOB  NOTIFY=SYSUID
//PROCLIB  JCLLIB ORDER=(xxx.LIB.PRC)  
//MYPROC   EXEC PROC=MYPROC,HLQ7=A
//MYPROC1  EXEC PROC=MYPROC,HLQ7=A
//MYPROC   EXEC PROC=MYPROC,HLQ7=A



It is not containing the member names. 


Is there any uitlity which i can use to selectively skip the particular JCL 
steps?

Thanks for all your help.

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Re: HSM: Recall uncataloged data set

[Lizette Koehler]

I think you use RECOVER rather than RECALL when it is not cataloged.

Lizette




Hello everyone.  I have some datasets on ML2 that have long since been
uncataloged that I need to recall. I've loked for ways to either recatalog
then recall them or recall and recatalog them, but no luckthere yet.  


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Re: HSM: Recall uncataloged data set

[John Kelly]

If you tried to recat them to MIGRAT2 and they don't recall, then you'll 
need to check the MCDS to see if HSM knows about them- probably not. If 
you know the tape that they were migrated to and it hasn't been recycled 
you could build a MCDS entry but you'll have to want this data very badly.

Jack Kelly
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Hello everyone.  I have some datasets on ML2 that have long since been
uncataloged that I need to recall. I've loked for ways to either recatalog
then recall them or recall and recatalog them, but no luckthere yet. 

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Re: HSM: Recall uncataloged data set

[Scott Barry]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:12:12 -0500, Howard Whitehead
hwhiteh...@statesman.com wrote:

Hello everyone.  I have some datasets on ML2 that have long since been
uncataloged that I need to recall. I've loked for ways to either recatalog
then recall them or recall and recatalog them, but no luckthere yet.

Thanks.

Consider the TSO HLIST BCDS command followed by an HRECOVER, if still around.

Scott Barry
SBBWorks, Inc.

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Re: TSM 's future on the z/OS platform

[Steven Conway]

IBM documentation at 
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tsminfo/v6/index.jsp does not 
support the statement that TSM 6.1 will not be available for z/OS, for the 
client, at least.

The IBM® Tivoli® Storage Manager for z/OS® UNIX® System Services 
Backup-Archive Client 6.1 is available. This document provides or 
references information that is specific to release 6.1.

Am I not understanding the issue?


Cheers,,,Steve

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Re: Why are z/OS people reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?

[Patrick O'Keefe]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:41:53 -0600, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com
wrote:

...They seem to regard UNIX on z/OS as an abomination.)

I'd like to understand this visceral reaction, with an
eye to seeing what can be done to moderate it down to at
least a level of skepticism (OK, what can this do for
me?).
...

Here's what I said on the MVS-OE list.   It's quite a different take on
the topic than others have posted.  It boils down to We've been 
spoiled by IBM which, I suspect may prompt an argument.



Here are a couple reasons that seem to be mind-set
differences, and my mind is too set to easily adjust.

Messages:
From syslog (truncated by me during cut/past)
localhost snmpagent[33685543]: S_AGV123(837):

localhost snmpagent[33685543]: setibmopt established affinity with stack
TCPIP 
localhost snmpagent[33685543]: IBM SNMPBASE, 3.1.04-v3, Feb 28 2000,
Compiled ...
localhost snmpagent[33685543]: EZZ6267I Tracing set to 0


Now how in heaven's name do I look up those messages? 
I happen to know that the last 3 are ok, but what is the
significance of the first one?  The colon seems to imply
it may be a header for the following messages, but I have
no way of knowing for sure.  And is S_AGV123(837) good or bad?

Or commands:
ping 1.2.3.4 -c 10 -s 10.9.8.7 -t 15 -l 1024
vs.
ping 1.2.3.4 Count 10 SRCIP 10.9.8.7 Timeout 15 Length 1024

Just a matter of familiarity, I guess.  But if I understand PING
I can pretty much guess what the parms in the TSO command mean,
even if I've never seen the command before. 
Not so, the Unix format.


Having spent the last 36 years working on various IBM operating systems
(mostly flavors of MVS) I am definitely a Unix novice.  I get the
very strong impression that developers of Unix applications either
assume there is no such thing as a Unix novice, or that novices are
not welcome.

I'm not at all surprised that MVSers are reluctant to join the Unix
world.  It doesn't want us.

Pat O'Keefe 

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Re: HSM: Recall uncataloged data set

[Howard Whitehead]

I didn't know you COULD recat to MIGRAT2.  Could I trouble you for some
sample code for that to save me some time?

I tried the RECOVER command but I got an ARC1128 BACKUP/DUMP COPY DOES NOT
EXIST. 

Thanks all.

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Re: HSM: Recall uncataloged data set

[Darth Keller]

If you tried to recat them to MIGRAT2 and they don't recall, then you'll 
need to check the MCDS to see if HSM knows about them- probably not. If 
you know the tape that they were migrated to and it hasn't been recycled 
you could build a MCDS entry but you'll have to want this data very 
badly.

Jack Kelly

In the past when I did need it back very badly and the HSM ML1 copy was 
the only viable copy was to restore a backup copy of the MCDS from the 
appropriate timeframe on a TECH LPAR that I could isolate, bring HSM up on 
that LPAR pointing to that restored copy of the MCDS, and then recall the 
dataset.  It worked but you for sure better understand the relationships 
of your systems.

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Re: TSM 's future on the z/OS platform

[Bruno Sugliani]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:53:49 -0400, Steven Conway
steven_con...@freddiemac.com wrote:

IBM documentation at 
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tsminfo/v6/index.jsp does not 
support the statement that TSM 6.1 will not be available for z/OS, for the 
client, at least.

The IBM® Tivoli® Storage Manager for z/OS® UNIX® System Services 
Backup-Archive Client 6.1 is available. This document provides or 
references information that is specific to release 6.1.

Am I not understanding the issue?


Steve
We were talking about TSM server on z/OS .
 
Bruno Sugliani 
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Re: Java V6 install problem

[Barkow, Eileen]

we had the same java 'fatal' storage error for almost a year when we first went 
to z/os 1.9. It happened with all releases of java - 1.4, 1.5, 1.6.
No one seemed to know how to fix it although I suspected that IEFUSI was the 
cause, I could not prove it to those responsible for the exit.
And we looked at all the other parms, MEMLIMIT, BPX MAXXASIZE, RACF SIZEAMAX 
(or something like it).

I was told by IBM support center to just limit the amount of virtual storage 
that java uses in the  IBM_JAVA_OPTIONS=-Xmxnn  profile options, which 
circumvented the error.
A few months ago, the 'fatal' error disappeared and I see that IEFUSI is not in 
the SMF SUBSYS parm.

Was the IEFUSI specification in SMFPRM the only thing that caused the error? 
Why was a SMF setting responsible for the java error in the first place?
I reported this problem to the OMVS list and no one mentioned SMF.

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Subject: Re: Java V6 install problem

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:22:52 -0500, Vince Getgood
vincent.getg...@xchanging.com wrote:

Don't you just LOVE consistency?

As I'm working in a test LPAR, I changed SMFPRMxx to MEMLIMIT=1T, and
now Marks rexx now shows: -

  V I R T U A LS T O R A G EU S A G E
  ---


Region requested: 8192K

  Max Priv Region Region Region Region
  Reg Size  Limit   Size In-Use  Avail
              
 Below 16M: 10216K  8256K  8192K92K  8164K
 Above 16M:   1927168K131072K131072K   420K130652K

 Above 2G :32M (64-bit MEMLIMIT)
 MEMLIMIT Source: IEFUSI

So IEFUSI is getting in the mix.  Now when I do the java -version, I get: -

JIT: fatal error, failed to allocate 8192 Kb data cache
JVMJ9VM015W Initialization error for library j9jit24(11): cannot initialize JIT
Could not create the Java virtual machine.

However, java -fullversion gives: -

£ java -fullversion
java full version JRE 1.6.0 IBM z/OS build pmz6460sr4-20090219_01 (SR4)

I think this is still a Virtual memoery issue, and I'm being limited by IEFUSI.

Any way around this without changing IEFUSI?



You can change your SMFPRMxx to include SUBSYS(OMVS,EXITS(...,...) 
and leave out IEFUSI.  Then SET SMF=xx.

This is what is recommended anyway.

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Re: HSM: Recall uncataloged data set

[Howard Whitehead]

The onl copy I have is the tape ML2.  As far as I can tell,  my MCDS data is
good, it's just that the data set has been uncataloged for a very long time
so HSM on't allow the recall.  I'm trying to research recating to MIGRAT2
but so far I'm strikin' out.

Thanks,
Howard

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Re: INFOZIP 2Gb

[Ted MacNEIL]

Thanks for the info.
The last time I used the product, you didn't.
And, it wasn't on the horizon.
But, that was 2 years ago.

One more reason to select ZIP/390 over PKZIP.

How are you on file size limits?
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Subject: RE: INFOZIP 2Gb

FYI We now support adding a file to an existing archive.

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Data21, Inc.
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Fax: (310) 792-1778


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Subject: Re: INFOZIP 2Gb

PKZIP supports compression of files over 9 exebytes in size.

We went from PKZIP to ZIP/390, because of cost and support issues.
ZIP/390 comes from DATA21 (www.data21.com).

Both companies support lines are only open 9-5, M-F (local time).
DATA21 is in California, and PKZIP is in Phili (I believe).

I am sure that there are others as well.

I cannot speak to file size.
We rarely had files over 500 Mb.

The only 'flaws' I've found in ZIP/390:
1. You cannot add a file to an existing archive.
2. You cannot compress VSAM; this is an added cost feature in PKZIP.

The other problem with PKZIP/MVS, beside the ones I mentioned above, is
archiving PDSE's.
This is automatic with ZIP/390 and a cost feature with PKZIP.

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Re: HSM: Recall uncataloged data set

[Lizette Koehler]

Howard,

I am not sure how you would catalog  a volser of MIGRAT2 which is 7 chars.  The 
VSAM Define seems to only allow for 6 chars.

Maybe somebody on the list can figure this out.

Lizette




The onl copy I have is the tape ML2.  As far as I can tell,  my MCDS data is
good, it's just that the data set has been uncataloged for a very long time
so HSM on't allow the recall.  I'm trying to research recating to MIGRAT2
but so far I'm strikin' out.


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Re: HSM: Recall uncataloged data set

[Staller, Allan]

See my previous post: MIGRAT/MIGRAT2 is a display convention. Catalog to
volser MIGRAT. HSM will figure it out.

DEF NVSAM(NAME('original.dsn') DEVT(3390) VOL(MIGRAT))

Then issue hrecall

snip
The onl copy I have is the tape ML2.  As far as I can tell,  my MCDS
data is
good, it's just that the data set has been uncataloged for a very long
time
so HSM on't allow the recall.  I'm trying to research recating to
MIGRAT2
but so far I'm strikin' out.
/snip

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Re: Java V6 install problem

[Kirk Wolf]

FWIW, if you run java via the JZOS Batch launcher with the LOGLVL='+D'
option, it will print out the requested vs actual
below-line/above-line/above-bar storage from the LDA.

Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies

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Re: HSM: Recall uncataloged data set

[Ted MacNEIL]

I am not sure how you would catalog  a volser of MIGRAT2 which is 7 chars.
The VSAM Define seems to only allow for 6 chars.

That's because the OS only allows 6 chars for a volser (tape or disk).

Maybe somebody on the list can figure this out.

It's not a VSAM restriction, unless you call an OS restriction also a VSAM 
restriction.

IDCAMS is just being consistent with z/OS.
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Re: Why are z/OS people so reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?

[McKown, John]

 

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 Subject: Re: Why are z/OS people so reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?
 
  Right Peter,
 
 And with Linux running right next door on the same CEC why bother with
 OE? I don't think they can share DASD but FTP would be real fast. 
 
 
 Ken Klein

Or use NFS or SSHFS on the Linux box.

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Re: HSM: Recall uncataloged data set

[McKown, John]

MIGRAT2 is code speak for catalogued to volser MIGRAT on a TAPE unit as 
opposed to a DASD unit.

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 Subject: Re: HSM: Recall uncataloged data set
 
 The onl copy I have is the tape ML2.  As far as I can tell,  
 my MCDS data is
 good, it's just that the data set has been uncataloged for a 
 very long time
 so HSM on't allow the recall.  I'm trying to research 
 recating to MIGRAT2
 but so far I'm strikin' out.
 
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Re: HSM: Recall uncataloged data set

[Howard Whitehead]

Thanks for the info. I had missed it before.  I also found something in the
HSM Stg Admin Guide 5.1.9 Case 9...reestablish access to Previously Deleted
Migrated Data Sets (No Backup Exists, ML2 Only).  You nd this may have me on
the right track.  I'll update with what happens.

Thanks all!
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Re: HSM: Recall uncataloged data set

[John Kelly]

snip
I am not sure how you would catalog  a volser of MIGRAT2 which is 7 chars
unsnip

That was my fault. You only catalog the migrat, I put the migrat2 to 
indicate it was ml2 BUT it's only a display.
Howard seems sure that the file exists on ML2 and I really hope that he 
knows that for sure before going any further because like Darth indicated 
recreating a MCDS entry is do'able but  

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Re: TSM 's future on the z/OS platform

[Mark Jacobs]

That's the client that used to backup files from the OMVS environment. The TSM 
server up to 6.1 runs under zOS as one of the supported platforms. TSM V6.1 
server has not been announced for zOS. We were told that V5.5 is going to be 
the last release of TSM for zOS.

Mark Jacobs


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Subject: Re: TSM 's future on the z/OS platform
 
IBM documentation at 
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tsminfo/v6/index.jsp does not 
support the statement that TSM 6.1 will not be available for z/OS, for the 
client, at least.

The IBM® Tivoli® Storage Manager for z/OS® UNIX® System Services 
Backup-Archive Client 6.1 is available. This document provides or 
references information that is specific to release 6.1.

Am I not understanding the issue?


Cheers,,,Steve

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Re: CTRACE problems, recording and viewing

[Jim Mulder]

IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 06/03/2009 
12:23:57 PM:

 Two questions about CTRACE
 
 1) Trying to see the trace via IPCS and I get 
 ITT10013I The CTRACE subcommand does not support formatting for 
 COMP(SYSTCPDA) 
 
 If I do CTRACE QUERY, I get SYSTCPDA and SYSTCPIP as components 
 adn they have our stack as the subsys name. I   really thing that I'm 
 missing a LoadLib in my TSO allocation BUT I can't find any mention of a 

 particular lib.
 2) coding the parmlib member (CTIEZBJK) seems to be an exercise in 
 frustration. CTIEZBJK contents are:
 TRACEOPTS ON OPTIONS=('TCPMIN',IPADDR(xxx.xxx.xx.xx))  [it 
really 
 doesn't like commas between operands.]
  the command I entered was TRACE 
 CT,ON,COMP=SYSTCPIP,SUB=(TCP390T),PARM=CTIEZBJK
 and the error msgs are:
INPUT LINE: TRACEOPTS ON OPTIONS=('TCPMIN',IPADDR(xxx.xxx.xx.xx))
  ITT016I SYNTAX ERROR IN PARMLIB MEMBER=CTIEZBJK LINE1. 
 QUOTED_STRING EXPECTED BEFORE IPADDR.
  INPUT LINE: TRACEOPTS ON 
OPTIONS=('TCPMIN',IPADDR(xxx.xxx.xx.xx))
  ITT018I PARSING OF PARMLIB MEMBER=CTIEZBJK CONTINUED AT ), LINE 
 
 1.
  INPUT LINE: TRACEOPTS ON 
OPTIONS=('TCPMIN',IPADDR(xxx.xxx.xx.xx))
  ITT020I QUOTED_STRING WAS ASSUMED BEFORE THE ERROR POINT IN 
 PARMLIB 655
  MEMBER=CTIEZBJK, LINE1.
  INPUT LINE: TRACEOPTS ON 
OPTIONS=('TCPMIN',IPADDR(xxx.xxx.xx.xx))
  ITT017I SYNTAX ERROR IN PARMLIB MEMBER=CTIEZBJK ON LINE1 P 
 POSITION   54. ) WAS SEEN, WHERE ONE OF:
  ASID JOBNAME BUFSIZE OPTIONS WTR WTRSTART
  WOULD BE CORRECT.
 
 If I don't put the quote around the TCPMIN, i get other errors.
 I did get it to record by leaving off the 'parm' abd then replying to 
the 
 WTOR with the test from CTIEZBJK. 
 Anyone have this working? We're at 1.9 and I'm trying to trace TN3270 
 errors, ie AB/S622 which the 'network' folks say isn't their issue (one 
of 
 these day I'm going to see an issue that is theirs).

  From Lenny Cain in TCP/IP System Test:

In V1R9 the ctrace formatters are in load mod EZBCTFM9. This should 
live in SYS1.MIGLIB. This needs to be accessible to IPCS.

Here is a working sample of CTIEZBxx parmlib member with ipaddr:

TRACEOPTS ON 
   OPTIONS ( 
   'TCPMIN' 
  ,'IPADDR(197.11.103.1)' 
 )  

Jim Mulder   z/OS System Test   IBM Corp.  Poughkeepsie,  NY

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Re: HSM: Recall uncataloged data set

[Traylor, Terry]

For MIGRAT2, wouldn't you specify DEVT() having  as the device
type used for HSM ML2 media rather than specifying 3390?


Terry Traylor 
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Subject: Re: HSM: Recall uncataloged data set

See my previous post: MIGRAT/MIGRAT2 is a display convention. Catalog to
volser MIGRAT. HSM will figure it out.

DEF NVSAM(NAME('original.dsn') DEVT(3390) VOL(MIGRAT))

Then issue hrecall

snip
The onl copy I have is the tape ML2.  As far as I can tell,  my MCDS
data is good, it's just that the data set has been uncataloged for a
very long time so HSM on't allow the recall.  I'm trying to research
recating to
MIGRAT2
but so far I'm strikin' out.
/snip

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RACF - CLASS(PROGRAM)

[Mark Baron]

Hi all - 

Does anyone know if there is a way, using CLASS(PROGRAM) in RACF (z/OS V1R8
and higher) to define all accesses to a given program??  

That is:

RDEF PROGRAM(PGMNAME) UACC(NONE) ADDMEM(LIBNAME/VOLUME/NOPADCHK) 

will deny access to LIBNAME(PGMNAME) but only if LIBNAME is on VOLUME. 
Similarly, omitting VOLUME from the ADDMEM specification will protect
PGMNAME in any occurrence of LIBNAME.  Is there any RACF construct to do
ADDMEM for any dataset on any volume??

TIA 

Mark

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Re: TSM 's future on the z/OS platform

[Steven Conway]

Mark and Bruno, thanks for the clarification.  I missed it that the 
server, not the client, was in question here.

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strange codepage issue in ISPF

[Frank Swarbrick]

I am using codepage 1047, but for some reason the left and right brackets are 
showing as blanks in ISPF.  Intrestingly hey show up just fine in OMVS.

Here is a REXX EXEC that I use to show me my current code page:

address ispexec vget (ztermcid) shared
say current encoding is ztermcid
exit  

The response is current encoding is 01047.

If I do a HEX display of the brackets it shows they are x'AD' (left bracket) 
and 
x'BD' (right bracket), which is correct for CP1047.

The strangest thing at all is that it works for everyone else.  I must have 
once 
upon a time changed something in my ISPF profile to cause this issue, but I 
have no idea what it was!

Any ideas?
Thanks!
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Re: HSM: Recall uncataloged data set

[Staller, Allan]

AFAIK either will work.

snip
For MIGRAT2, wouldn't you specify DEVT() having  as the device
type used for HSM ML2 media rather than specifying 3390?
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Re: HSM: Recall uncataloged data set

[Ted MacNEIL]

MIGRAT2 is code speak for catalogued to volser MIGRAT on a TAPE unit as 
opposed to a DASD unit.


Unfortunately, as you saw from the responses, not all of us speak the same 
code.

A more specific response may have been more helpful (I mean that in the nicest 
possible way).

(8-{]}

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Re: HSM: Recall uncataloged data set

[Traylor, Terry]

It is true that MIGRAT2 can also be on as DASD device. 


Terry Traylor 
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MIGRAT2 is code speak for catalogued to volser MIGRAT on a TAPE unit
as opposed to a DASD unit.


Unfortunately, as you saw from the responses, not all of us speak the
same code.

A more specific response may have been more helpful (I mean that in the
nicest possible way).

(8-{]}

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Re: strange codepage issue in ISPF

[Dave Salt]

Frank,
 
Is your emulator using the same code page as the host?

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 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:28:27 -0500
 From: fswarbr...@gmail.com
 Subject: strange codepage issue in ISPF
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu

 I am using codepage 1047, but for some reason the left and right brackets are
 showing as blanks in ISPF. Intrestingly hey show up just fine in OMVS.

 Here is a REXX EXEC that I use to show me my current code page:

 address ispexec vget (ztermcid) shared
 say current encoding is ztermcid
 exit

 The response is current encoding is 01047.

 If I do a HEX display of the brackets it shows they are x'AD' (left bracket) 
 and
 x'BD' (right bracket), which is correct for CP1047.

 The strangest thing at all is that it works for everyone else. I must have 
 once
 upon a time changed something in my ISPF profile to cause this issue, but I
 have no idea what it was!

 Any ideas?
 Thanks!
 Frank

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Re: HSM: Recall uncataloged data set

[Ted MacNEIL]

It is true that MIGRAT2 can also be on as DASD device. 

Yes, but.

MIGRAT2, by itself, is meaningless since volsers can only be 6 bytes long.

A detailed description would have helped.

PS: The first shop that I worked with HSM in had ML1  ML2 both on disk.
And, that was back when DISK was expensive (3380-D  3380-E).
ML2 was on the paging volumes, against my recommendations, because of cost vs 
performance issues.

Circa 1984.


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Re: strange codepage issue in ISPF

[Klein, Kenneth]

The exec works!!

This is what we are using and there are no open issues with
translations.  



 current encoding is 00037 

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Sr. Systems Programmer
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Subject: strange codepage issue in ISPF

I am using codepage 1047, but for some reason the left and right
brackets are showing as blanks in ISPF.  Intrestingly hey show up just
fine in OMVS.

Here is a REXX EXEC that I use to show me my current code page:

address ispexec vget (ztermcid) shared
say current encoding is ztermcid
exit  

The response is current encoding is 01047.

If I do a HEX display of the brackets it shows they are x'AD' (left
bracket) and x'BD' (right bracket), which is correct for CP1047.

The strangest thing at all is that it works for everyone else.  I must
have once upon a time changed something in my ISPF profile to cause this
issue, but I have no idea what it was!

Any ideas?
Thanks!
Frank

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ENQMAXU/ENQMAXA

[J Ellis]

We have intermittently began seeing these messages in the log, followed by
the 'all clear now' one.

*ISG368E THE CONCURRENT UNAUTHORIZED REQUEST COUNT FOR ASID 0122 44
 HAS EXCEEDED THE 80 PERCENT THRESHOLD OF THE SYSTEM-WIDE MAXIMUM, 
 16384

I have spent some time sifting thru enque reports and haven't been able to
correlate any Total Events counts to any number even approaching 16K, the
address space in the message is the ESP aux a/s and ESP is just coming live
in this 2 system plex (running STAR mode).

Is there anywhere to look or some D GRS command to be issued at the time of
the message to see what qname/rname is being used, OR, short of dumping the
A/S to see whats foing on inside of it from a grs view ?

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Re: ENQMAXU/ENQMAXA

[Lizette Koehler]

Have you issued a D GRS,A command and reviewed that.

Lizette



We have intermittently began seeing these messages in the log, followed by
the 'all clear now' one.

*ISG368E THE CONCURRENT UNAUTHORIZED REQUEST COUNT FOR ASID 0122 44
 HAS EXCEEDED THE 80 PERCENT THRESHOLD OF THE SYSTEM-WIDE MAXIMUM, 
 16384

I have spent some time sifting thru enque reports and haven't been able to
correlate any Total Events counts to any number even approaching 16K, the
address space in the message is the ESP aux a/s and ESP is just coming live
in this 2 system plex (running STAR mode).

Is there anywhere to look or some D GRS command to be issued at the time of
the message to see what qname/rname is being used, OR, short of dumping the
A/S to see whats foing on inside of it from a grs view ?


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Re: ENQMAXU/ENQMAXA

[Lizette Koehler]

Oops,  I meant a D GRS,RES=(*,*) and see what all you have out there?

Probably could use ENQ in ISRDDN as well.

Lizette




Have you issued a D GRS,A command and reviewed that.

Lizette



We have intermittently began seeing these messages in the log, followed by
the 'all clear now' one.

*ISG368E THE CONCURRENT UNAUTHORIZED REQUEST COUNT FOR ASID 0122 44
 HAS EXCEEDED THE 80 PERCENT THRESHOLD OF THE SYSTEM-WIDE MAXIMUM, 
 16384

I have spent some time sifting thru enque reports and haven't been able to
correlate any Total Events counts to any number even approaching 16K, the
address space in the message is the ESP aux a/s and ESP is just coming live
in this 2 system plex (running STAR mode).

Is there anywhere to look or some D GRS command to be issued at the time of
the message to see what qname/rname is being used, OR, short of dumping the
A/S to see whats foing on inside of it from a grs view ?



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Re: ENQMAXU/ENQMAXA

[Ted MacNEIL]

Oops,  I meant a D GRS,RES=(*,*) and see what all you have out there?

Probably could use ENQ in ISRDDN as well.

Also, and this requires preparation, you could have ENQ conflict 
reporting/collection set up under RMF and look up in post-processing.

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Re: strange codepage issue in ISPF

[Mark Zelden]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:28:27 -0500, Frank Swarbrick fswarbr...@gmail.com wrote:

I am using codepage 1047, but for some reason the left and right brackets are
showing as blanks in ISPF.  Intrestingly hey show up just fine in OMVS.

Here is a REXX EXEC that I use to show me my current code page:

address ispexec vget (ztermcid) shared
say current encoding is ztermcid
exit

The response is current encoding is 01047.

If I do a HEX display of the brackets it shows they are x'AD' (left
bracket) and
x'BD' (right bracket), which is correct for CP1047.

The strangest thing at all is that it works for everyone else.  I must have
once
upon a time changed something in my ISPF profile to cause this issue, but I
have no idea what it was!


You can change / customize ISPF code pages, but more than likely this is
the code page you have selected for whatever (tn)3270 emulator you are
using.  

Mark
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Re: Java V6 install problem

[Mark Zelden]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:34:52 -0500, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com wrote:

FWIW, if you run java via the JZOS Batch launcher with the LOGLVL='+D'
option, it will print out the requested vs actual
below-line/above-line/above-bar storage from the LDA.

Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies

In which case IEFUSI (SYS.IEFUSI) will still be in effect, but you can
easily add MEMLIMIT= to your JCL (but IEFUSI can still override it).

Mark
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Smpe batch jcl question about a job to apply _all_ service from a cbpdo

[Klein, Kenneth]

Does this look right? The check gets a rc 4. I combined the KDSJ1APP job
from the tape (line 340002) and the sourceids from the memo to users
extension (lines 345102-346202) and the smppunch output from a report
errorsysmods (lines 348902-350702). 


//KQKTEMPS  JOB (3356,277),'KLEIN, KEN',MSGLEVEL=(1,1),
00010001
//  CLASS=L,MSGCLASS=X,NOTIFY=SYSUID,REGION=0M
00020001
//* JOBCARD CREATED AT 12:32:42 ON  3 JUN 2009
00030002
//* JES NODE=EREPNODE SYSTEM=TESTT1 LEVEL=JES2 Z/OS 1.9
00040002
//* JCL TO RUN THIS JOB: KQKTEMP.$TSO.WORK(SMPAPPLY)
00050002
/*JOBPARM LINES=99,CARDS=99
00060001
//*=+1+2+3+4+5+6+7==
00070002
//SMP   EXEC PGM=GIMSMP,
00080001
//  REGION=4096K,PARM='CSI=SVS.IBMOM.GLOBAL.CSI'
00090001
//SYSLIBDD   DSN=SYS1.MACLIB,DISP=SHR
0011
//SMPLOGDD   SYSOUT=*
00110002
//SMPLOGA   DD   SYSOUT=*
00120002
//SMPCNTL   DD   *
00230001
SET BOUNDARY ( OMTZN  ) .
00240002
APPLY SELECT( HKDS621HKLV621 )
00340002
SOURCEID(
00345002
HIPER PUT0507 PUT0510
00345102
PUT0601 PUT0604 PUT0606
00345202
PUT0607 PUT0609 PUT0611
00345302
PUT0612 PUT0701 PUT0703
00345402
PUT0704 PUT0706 PUT0710
00345502
PUT0802 PUT0805 PUT0808
00345602
PUT0809 PUT0812 PUT0901
00345702
PUT0902 PUT0904 RSU0508
00345802
RSU0603 RSU0606 RSU0609
00345902
RSU0612 RSU0703 RSU0706
00346002
RSU0709 RSU0803 RSU0809
00346102
RSU0812 RSU0903
00346202
UA45246  /* RESOLVES AA27365 FOR UA43385 FMID(HKC5410) */
00348902
UK41992  /* RESOLVES AK76361 FOR HKDB410 FMID(HKDB410) */
00349002
UK43610  /* RESOLVES AK77345 FOR HKDB410 FMID(HKDB410) */
00349102
UK44062  /* RESOLVES AK77532 FOR HKDB410 FMID(HKDB410) */
00349202
UK43916  /* RESOLVES AK79736 FOR HKDB410 FMID(HKDB410) */
00349302
UK43934  /* RESOLVES AK80329 FOR HKDB410 FMID(HKDB410) */
00349402
UK44097  /* RESOLVES AK80459 FOR HKDB410 FMID(HKDB410) */
00349502
UK44771  /* RESOLVES AK81520 FOR HKDB410 FMID(HKDB410) */
00349602
UK44995  /* RESOLVES AK82448 FOR HKDB410 FMID(HKDB410) */
00349702
UA45957  /* RESOLVES AA27811 FOR HKM2550 FMID(HKM2550) */
00349802
UA46559  /* RESOLVES AA28367 FOR UA44538 FMID(HKM2550) */
00350002
UA45277  /* RESOLVES AA26814 FOR HKM5410 FMID(HKM5410) */
00350102
UA46208  /* RESOLVES AA28056 FOR HKM5410 FMID(HKM5410) */
00350202
UA45034  /* RESOLVES AA27272 FOR HKOB550 FMID(HKOB550) */
00350302
UA44056  /* RESOLVES AA26495 FOR HKSB550 FMID(HKSB550) */
00350402
UA45746  /* RESOLVES AA27060 FOR HKS3410 FMID(HKS3410) */
00350602
UA45521  /* RESOLVES AA27668 FOR HKS3410 FMID(HKS3410) */
00350702
)
00351102
GROUPEXTEND
00351402
REDO
00351502
BYPASS(HOLDSYSTEM(ACTION))
00351602
CHECK
00351701
.
00352001
/*


Ken Klein
Sr. Systems Programmer
kenneth.kl...@kyfb.com
502-495-5000 x7011

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Subject: Re: Java V6 install problem

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:34:52 -0500, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com wrote:

FWIW, if you run java via the JZOS Batch launcher with the LOGLVL='+D'
option, it will print out the requested vs actual 
below-line/above-line/above-bar storage from the LDA.

Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies

In which case IEFUSI (SYS.IEFUSI) will still be in effect, but you can
easily add MEMLIMIT= to your JCL (but IEFUSI can still override it).

Mark
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/ Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:mark.zel...@zurichna.com
z/OS Systems Programming expert at
http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/
Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html

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Re: DB2 vs SYBASE or ORACLE

[Mohammad Khan]

The comments of your coworker are simply irrational rant for which no rational 
answer would suffice. Tell him to calm down tell what exactly his problem is 
with regard to DB2. That might be something that can be rationally discussed. 
IBM's Roger Miller once mentioned a quote from some book by Larry Ellison 
where he calls DB2 an example of a first class software product. In Roger's 
opinion the book was worth reading just for that. I never bothered to read this 
(or Palmisano's) book so I can't quote chapter and verse but a search in DB2-L 
archives might bring it up. May be a word from Ellison himself would hammer 
some sense into your coworker.
Mohammad


On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:07:31 -0500, Rob Lister 
rob.lis...@aciworldwide.com wrote:

Hi Folks,

Certainly don't want to start a mine-is-bigger-than-yours debate, but Could
any DB2 DBA help me (I hope) riddicule the following comment?

Well, to put a bit of perspective on it.  DB2 is a crap database that is 
pushed
by IBM.  Compared to Sybase and Oracle it's the equivalent of an old Skoda
held together with bits of filler and newspaper

and, to add emphasis..(after I accused him of being brainwashed or
blinkered).

just been in the real world working with all platforms.  I've worked with DB2
and as an Oracle DBA (and I started off on Sybase) I know shinola and I know
shit

This is from a collegue I work with. His skills are (I Think) mainly Unix and I
know he has never worked on a Z platform (maybe P?). The  reference to
Skoda may give him away. Skoda's are now pretty good cars, unlike 20 years
ago. Think his comment comes from some repressed 20 year old experience?

I'm a zOS SysProg currently trying to install our product into a USS area back
ended by DB2 with MQ providing the comms. I'm struggling with the Unix side
at the moment so have to ask for help on a few occasions.

Unfortunately, my DB2 skills are not sufficient to rebutt the above 
statements.
I'd love to hear from a DB2 DBA who could.

From my point of view, I heartilly dislike the 'vi' command in unix (I always 
use
OEDIT if poss) but don't say it is rubbish as I don't have the knowledge of
using 'vi' for 30 years. I simply prefer ISPF which I HAVE used for 30 years.

Is this the same sort of thing - Is this guy so anti Mainframe, he actually
believes what he says?

Many thanks for any/all observations.

Cheers,

Rob

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