KR> Bob Lee's KR2
Hello Builders, I have had some interest in Bob's KR2. Some have asked if I would be willing to sell parts. I have done some checking with other builders and thought about this idea. I am willing to sell the plane without the engine as some builders want different engines. So then I would sell the plane in one package and the engine in another package. I am not willing to break it down further as I am not as versed in the plane as others are plus I could wind up having some left over items that I would maybe just have to trash. The plane part will include the wing skins and all that goes with that and the engine is a VW engine from Steve Bennett with a turbo added. Please feel free to contact me at shortbus1017 at gmail.com or call me at 404-538-1434. I will be glad to entertain all offers. Thank you for your time. Cheryl Lee
KR> KR2 For Sale
Hello KR Community, I have had some different interests in Bob's project and wanted to let you all know that I would be willing to sell the project without the engine. Just make me a fair offer for the project is all I ask and I will worry about selling the engine separately. Also, if any of you are involved in your local flying clubs or EAA chapters, please let them know this project is for sale. Thank you for your time. Cheryl Regards, Bob Lee On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Bob Lee via KRnet wrote: > Hello KR Community, > > It is with great sadness that I need to re-list Bob's KR2. The gentleman > who purchased the airplane last year and asked me to hold it till the > weather was good for transporting it has backed out of the deal. The > website to look at Bob's plane and work is www.krnet.org/krs/boblee. I am > asking $5000 or best offer. I have lots of extras like plans, books, all > sorts of materials, nuts and bolts, an engine stand, CD of all KR > newsletters and a CD of all Bob's work and pictures to go along with the > airplane when it sells. > > You may contact me via Bob's email as I still have it up, my personal email > of shortbus1017 at gmail.com, or my cell of 404-538-1434. > > Happy building and flying to all of you, > Cheryl > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options >
KR> KR2 For Sale
Sorry for all the confusion as it worked for me but Paul is correct in taking the period off at the end. I was at the end of the sentence and didn't know that would confuse everyone. Thanks for looking and sharing. Cheryl On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Paul Visk via KRnet wrote: > just take the period off the end and there will be no problem. > > Paul Visk > Belleville Il. > 618-406-4705 > Watch ""Fly Now" The trailer > https://youtu.be/A_ZqJYNU54s > > Original message From: Michael Lineback > via KRnet Date:06/19/2015 9:13 AM > (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet Cc: > Michael Lineback Subject: Re: KR> KR2 > For Sale > You might want to check your browser the link works for me with > Firefox, > Chrome and Internet Explorer. > > Regards, > > Michael > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:09 AM, R. Lee Jarvis via KRnet < > krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > > > Hi Cheyl, > > > > The link isn't working. Can you check/correct it? > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > > > > > > Original message > > From: Bob Lee via KRnet > > Date:06/19/2015 9:55 AM (GMT-05:00) > > To: KRnet > > Cc: Bob Lee > > Subject: KR> KR2 For Sale > > > > Hello KR Community, > > > > It is with great sadness that I need to re-list Bob's KR2. The gentleman > > who purchased the airplane last year and asked me to hold it till the > > weather was good for transporting it has backed out of the deal. The > > website to look at Bob's plane and work is www.krnet.org/krs/boblee. I > am > > asking $5000 or best offer. I have lots of extras like plans, books, all > > sorts of materials, nuts and bolts, an engine stand, CD of all KR > > newsletters and a CD of all Bob's work and pictures to go along with the > > airplane when it sells. > > > > You may contact me via Bob's email as I still have it up, my personal > email > > of shortbus1017 at gmail.com, or my cell of 404-538-1434. > > > > Happy building and flying to all of you, > > Cheryl > > ___ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change > > options > > ___ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change > > options > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options >
KR> KR2 For Sale
Hello KR Community, It is with great sadness that I need to re-list Bob's KR2. The gentleman who purchased the airplane last year and asked me to hold it till the weather was good for transporting it has backed out of the deal. The website to look at Bob's plane and work is www.krnet.org/krs/boblee. I am asking $5000 or best offer. I have lots of extras like plans, books, all sorts of materials, nuts and bolts, an engine stand, CD of all KR newsletters and a CD of all Bob's work and pictures to go along with the airplane when it sells. You may contact me via Bob's email as I still have it up, my personal email of shortbus1017 at gmail.com, or my cell of 404-538-1434. Happy building and flying to all of you, Cheryl
KR> Bob Lee's KR2 Project
Hello All - By now all know that I have had the opportunity to sell Bob's KR2 project. I have sold it to Bob Russell from Canada. Please welcome him to the KR family and help him finish Bob's project. I think it is fitting that his project was sold to another Bob. I thank all of you who help me get information together and put on the website for others to see his project and for all the help that all of you gave me during Bob's illness and passing. Bob left a huge hole in my heart and our childrens hearts as well as others. Please continue to keep our family in your prayers as we move forward with our lives without him. Thank you, Cheryl Lee
KR> Bob Lee & KR project for sell
Hello - My name is Cheryl Lee and I am writing on behalf on my husband Bob Lee. He is a fellow aircraft builder and is part of these mailing lists. Some of you have met him over the years at the KR Gatherings and he has handled the KR Gathering webiste up until this year. Late last fall Bob began not feeling to well. He had open heart surgery 2 years ago and thought something might be up with his heart. So he started seeing his cardiologist. He thought he was feeling some better but I didn't really see much improvement. In March I had to take him to the hospital and he was found to be anemic and dehydrated. They found out he had some ulcers that were bleeding in his stomach that was causing him to be anemic. While finding that out they saw something suspicious on his pancreas and liver. They brought in an oncologist and did a liver bioposy as they suspected cancer. They got his stable and sent us home and we were to get the results of the bioposy a week later. We never even suspected cancer. The day before we were to get the results from the liver bioposy Bob had a huge stroke in the left frontal lobe. This affected his memory, communication skills and processing skills. For 5 to 6 days he did not know who he was or any of his family. Then finally he started to recognize me and our 3 children. He has finally started to recognize other immediate family and a very few friends. He spent two weeks in the hospital trying to get his blood stabilized and start therapy. About 2 weeks ago we moved his to a rehab center to continue with PT, OT, and speech therapy. The communication going in still gets messed up. Sometimes he understands and others times he doesn't. He knows enough to tell you he doesn't understand you or know you. His speech going out has gotten better but he doesn't always express himself correctly. The memory has a long way to go. He doesn't read or write much as some of this has affect his vision as well. His balance and walking has greatly improved and he doesn't need a walker or cane. Late in the day he needs assistance as he gets tired. Hopefully he will be coming home this upcoming week and we will have in home therapy to continue his progress. I will be here with him and working with him as well as he can not drive. We have to master things like stairs in our house, taking care of his hygiene and even the simple things of putting clothes on correctly. He has come a long way and is doing better each day. He is heading in the right direction. We are working toward his recovery from the stroke and in the next two weeks will be getting a second opinion on cancer treatment. They have a Cancer Care Center in Newnan (an houraway from us) that we will be going to if they will take him. I am not sure due to the stroke if he remembers the possibility of having cancer. In my work, I am a contractor. I have no insurance. All our insurance is up under Bob right now. He will not be going back to work as a bus driver this fall and therfore his benefits will expire. I am looking to go back to work then so we will get benefits under me. Right now my main concern is to help him recover as much as possible from the stroke and start some cancer treatments. When all this came down my children and I were devasted. But since then we have pulled together and become strong for Bob with the help of our family, friends, and neighbors. The high school that our youngest son attends is dedicating a baseball game to him come next Friday night, April 11. They are taking donations on our behalf. Please visit the site of www.eteamz.com/lambertbaseball. The medical bills are coming in and with our wonderful Obamacare, we have our fair share to pay. Please donate to our cause so that I can stay home and take care of Bob to help him more forward in his recovery. Any and all donations will be greatly appreciated no matter the amount. I do not think that Bob will ever finish his airplane much less fly it. I need to sell it as that will help with our medical expenses and mortgage payments as well. He has alot of information and pictures of his project on his website of www.flyboybob.com. Please go out and view it and pass it along to anyone who would be interested in buying his project. He has the body with retractable landing gear, Steve Bennett motor, Dan Diehl wing skins, and a nice insturment panel. I will have to look for the plans. I even have some tools that can be purchased as well if a buyer needs them to help finish the plane. I do not have a price yet as I need to talk with a few builders to find out what a fair price would be. We live Suwanee Georgia and will be glad to have anyone comelook at the project. Please feel free to respond to this email or you may contact me via my personal email of shortbus1017 at gmail.com or my cell number is 404-538-1434. I will be responding to all interested as Bob doesn't understand how to use a cell phone or his computer right
KR> Pressure testing my wing tanks
Pierre said: << "...so I hooked up the compressor,blocked off all the inlet, breather and other openings, prepared the little water spray can and started the compressor." >> I was a little luckier than Pierre, when I built my header tank I got better advise: Use a tee going into the tank. On one side place a baloon and on the other side place the compressor. That way, the baloon will limit the pressure in the tank and you won't distort it with the pressure. Regards, Bob Lee KR-2, 90% done only 68% to go! Suwanee, GA USA
KR> KR Gathering Website
KR enthusiasts, The site that hosts www.krgathering.org will be getting a network upgrade this evening at Midnight EDT. As part of the upgrade, the ip address of the site will change. The upgrade should take fifteen minutes. Depending on your local DNS server caching, you could experience an outage from a few minutes to two hours. Sorry for any inconvevnience this might yield. Regards, Bob Lee KR-2, 90% done only 68% to go! Suwanee, GA USA
KR> Additional testing data with P-mag timing
Jeff, You wrote: << However, the additional timing advance will allow you to save fuel by burning more of it in the cylinders and less of it in the exhaust, especially if you fly throttled back or at high altitudes. >> Your post begs the question: How do it know we "fly throttled back or at high altitudes"? What additional data besides ignition trigger does the P-mag have to decide to advance the ignition? Regards, Bob Lee KR-2, 90% done only 68% to go! Suwanee, GA USA
KR> Gathering hotel
done -Original Message- From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org]On Behalf Of Larry Flesner Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:33 AM To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: KR> Gathering hotel The "official hotel" for this years Gathering is the Holiday Inn, the same as past years. I received the following info from Dianne Morris on rates. "I have rooms set up for your event - blocked beginning on Oct. 3 - checking out on Oct. 6, 2013. Your group rate is $99.00 plus taxes, total per night is $111.89. " If you plan to book at the Holiday Inn, I'd recommend calling them direct at 618-244 7100 and tell them you are with the KR Gathering. They have doubles and singles with queen size beds. If you have any problems, shoot me an e-mail at flesner at frontier.com. For Bob Lee, please post to the Gathering site. Thanks.. Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR>differential compression
Mark, You stated: << I've seen on my engine in the last 330 hours has been 78/80 on one cylinder. Most of the rest at 80/80. >> Two questions come to mind with that good compression: 1. What brand of rings are you using? 2. Who does your valve jobs? OK 3 questions: 3. What kind of valve job do you use? Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 92% done only 67% to go!
KR> New old KR Gathering photos
KRnuts, For the few of you that are old enough to remember the last century, I made a discovery this weekend while searching through the basement for old photographs. A while back someone had asked about Don Beachum's retract system. I knew that I had taken some shots of his plane at a KR Gathering in a previous century. Over the holiday break I got the machine from my dad to convert film to digital images and went hunting for the photos of Don's plane. I haven't found those photos yet but I did run across photos from the 1986 Tulsa, OK KR Gathering, the 1988 and 1989 Covington TN KR Gatherings, the 1990 Rough River State Park KY KR Gathering, and the 2001 Pine Bluff AK KR Gatherings. These photos have been uploaded to krgathering.org. They have been added to the links at the bottom of the home page. You can scroll down to the bottom to find them. You will see that there is a note asterisked (*) to these links stating: "Photo quality for these Gatherings (1986 through 2001) are not too good. I found the photos in a box in the basement in 2010 and converted them to digital images from the original film. It might be good enough to jog the memory of some of us old timers about Gatherings gone by." Just in case some of you are wondering, there are only 250 days till the 2011 KR Gathering in Mount Vernon, IL on September 9-10, 2011! Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 92% done only 67% to go!
KR> vw 2kcc long block
Charles Smith << Does anyone know how to identify a type 4 engine? >> The easiest way is to look at the heads: Type IV exhaust comes out the bottom of the head. Tpye I exhaust comes out the front and rear of the head Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 92% done only 67% to go!
KR> Stalls
Mark Langford wrote: << I'm not trying to say that a KR is any more dangerous than any other plane. >> For my money Mark, your flight report is completely normal for most airplanes. Early in my flight training I did the same thing when learning accelerated stalls. While fixating on the airspeed and artificial horizon, the ball went all the way to the side. When the wing broke I was inverted before I knew what happened and pointing straight down. I was in a Cessna 150 with an instructor at the time. In the flight debrief, the instructor told me "I saw it coming but you didn't so I let it happen". That was one of those learning moments where you get a lifetime lesson in seconds. All these years later I scan the ball continuously to make sure I don't skid into a problem. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 90% done only 69% to go!
KR> Don Beachum's Retractsm
Today I received two drawings from Chris Gardner that he had of Don's retract gear. I put them on my web site so they are available to those that would like the information. Look in the left navigation window of my web site for "Reference Information". There is an index at the top of that page, click on "Don Beachum's Retract Gear" and it will take you to the images Chris provided. My web page is: http://kr.flyboybob.com. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 92% done only 67% to go!
KR> Vinyl Ester
Dan Heath wrote: << Anyone know where I can buy VE >> I always got VE from Dan Diehl. It worked out much better than the AS stuff because he promoted it properly for the current season to give a reasonable working time. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 92% done only 67% to go!
KR> krgathering.org
Steve Bennett wrote: << Went to look at krgathering.org this evening to see if any photos were posted of the 2010 gathering along with income/expenditures statement for this year. Nothing there. Anyone know why? >> I know why, as I'm the webmaster for KRGathering.org. I took over 450 images and have not had enough time to sort through them and get them online. I've got them organized but have not yet made the web pages to display them. The financial statement has not yet been made available to me for posting. I recall a post by Glenda of her photos at the gathering, perhaps you could search the archives and find that in the mean time. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 92% done only 67% to go!
KR> dual stick assembly
Larry Flesner wrote: << The general "side stick" setup has your arm laying on an arm rest and you move the stick with wrist action. >> Greg Martin wrote: << I have had a VeriEze and of coarse they have a side stick and it is not that sensitive. I liked it very much. >> There's a point here that needs to be made regarding KR sensativity. It is pilot induced in one of two ways: First, from my very limited time at the stick of a KR2 I found it initially almost uncontrolable in pitch. As soon as Marty Roberts took the stick back it was dead smooth. On my second attempt I held my elbow against my side and meerly thought about moving the controls without actually making control movements and things were much better. Most of us that learned to fly in Cessnas and Pipers are accustomed to significant control movement and control force. A KR is just different, not better not worse, but different. If you get some dual time in a KR you will quickly figure out what it needs to be controlable. In a VariEze there is an armrest to plant your elbow on which makes flying the Eze easy. Bob Muse Sr. had a center console in his KR2 for this very reason. It's just easier to fly a KR if your elbow is not part of the control system. Second, you must insure that you are in the proper CG range to keep yourself safe. Most will agree that the front half of the published CG range in the plan is the safe operating area to make a good flying KR. The best way to wander through the hype about KR sensativity is to ask someone that has several hundred hours on his KR how it flys. To a man they will all say great. Most of the horor stories are from builders/pilots that never figured out how to fly a KR safely. Enough from me for now, I'm back to the basement to work on my KR! Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 92% done only 67% to go!
KR> Gathering Hair Dryer
If you left your Hair Dryer at the KR Gathering rescuing a rained out cell phone please contact me off line so I can get it back to you! Bob Lee mailto: flyboyb...@gmail.com
KR> KR problem- *&%$
Larry, you wrote: << Looking back, I think I've been flying on borrowed time the last flight or two. I've noticed my small back up battery didn't look right on the volt meter but everything was working o.k. My main battery is so hefty that I've been starting the engine and running the pumps and the radio on it without recharging for at least an hour or two now. The lesson here is a gradual failure will give you hints if you bother to pay attention. If something doesn't seem quite right it probably isn't. >> You need a low voltage warning indicator. It gives you immediate annunciation of a failed alternator. There is approximately a 1.5 volt difference between a fully charged battery and the output of your alternator. This difference, 14 volts down to 12.5 volts gives you a transition to monitor for safe flight. Typically the low voltage warning will go off around 13 volts so that when your alternator fails, you have a fully charged battery to complete the current flight safely with battery only operation. You can build you own low voltage warning indicator for $10 worth of parts using a schematic supplied by Bob Knuckles at his web site http://www.aeroelectric.com or you can purchase a fully assembled product from him if you desire. He has a book "Aeroelectric Connection" that you can purchase or you can download the pdf for free. It is a wealth of information that you can use to keep your bird safe. The most significant section of the book deals with his philosophy of reliability. He doesn't propose that we strive for zero failures, because failures will happen. He builds a case for designing an electrical system that provides the ability to safely complete each flight to the exhaustion of available fuel on board. A combination of information and pre-planned proceedures leads to overall system reliability and safety of flight. This makes the alternator failure a maintenance item rather than a flight safety issue. Hope all goes well with the alternator repair so that you can fly to the Gatering. See you in 5 days! Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 92% done only 67% to go!
KR> www.krgathering.org down?
The server for krgathering.org has failed and it is being repaired. No eta yet for it to be back online. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 92% done only 67% to go!
KR> Re: Rotisserie
Sid, Regarding your comment << I'll just have to figure out some other way to work in the interior of my KR-2 without breaking something.>> FYI I remove the engine and then put the engine mount directly on an engine stand forming the front half of the rotiserie. I just use saw horses for the tail end. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 92% done only 67% to go!
KR> paper pilot certificate
Mike Sylvester wrote: << Jeeez Joe, You must be a lot older than you look. I thought everyone had plastic. >> When I saw this message I was surprised becasue I thought everyone had paper. I used the FAA web site and updated the address on my pilot certificate while getting a new one issued. I had not lived at the address on my pilot certificate for 41 years. I guess that makes me older than Joe looks too! Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 92% done only 67% to go!
KR> 2600cc VW/Porsche Type 4 for sale
Peter Drake wrote: << What weight is the engine? >> I've got a GPAS 2600 VW type IV engine on my KR2 and it weighed 219. I got that from weighing the aircraft with and without the engine and taking the difference. I've got an AirResearch Turbo installed so it should be comprable. FYI my oil cooler is on the firewall so add a few more pounds if you've got the oil cooler on the engine. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 92% done only 67% to go!
KR> Fw:, service ceiling
Joe, You wrote: <> What wing do you have on your KR (airfoil?, taper per plans?, span?). I'm interested in how your kr might relate to mine for altitude performance. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 92% done only 67% to go!
KR> VW oil viscosity
Mike wrote: <> You might want to reconsider using synthetic in a air cooled motor. One of the big selling points of synthetic oil is "reduced oil tempreature". Unfortunately, this is not a good thing for us because the oil temperature is reduced by the oil's inability to accept heat. Therefore, the synthetic oil cannot carry the heat to the cooler as well as petrolium oil. This results in an engine that is running hotter even though the oil temperature is cooler. When you think about it, friction is a small part of the total engine heat compared to heat of combustion. So even if synthetic oil reduces friction, it does not significantly reduce the overall engine heat load. Synthetic oils are great for jets or water cooled engines. In an air cooled engine the oil system provides a significant amount of the cooling and pertolium oil is better at transfering heat to the cooler. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 92% done only 67% to go!
KR> Can't stop "Flying Again"
Mark Jones wrote: <> Mark, down here in the south, the deer sleep in the morning, they're party deer and they stay up in the afternoon to early morning looking for fresh props. Dan's smart enough to know that flying is best done in the morning to avoid a deerly departed prop!! Congratulations Dan, you are finally past the teething stage. Don't let Jones talk you into getting a deer strike! Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 92% done only 67% to go!
KR> Oshkosh Airventure Photos
Mark Jones wrote: << NO, the question is how did I ever get up off the ground...>> That's easy to figure out Mark, first you cralled over to Langford's KR. Being the only taildragger in the group it was the logical choice for you to climb up the tail wheel, push the rudder aside and roll onto the horizontal stab. From there it's just like getting out of bed. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 92% done only 67% to go!
KR> sunset
Netheads, Just in case you think that only Langford can have a good sunset. Here's a link to a sunset that my wife shot out of the TRUCK on the way home from delivering a sale horse to VA. http://kr.flyboybob.com/images/sunset1.jpg Some day Mark, I'll get this shot of the Chesapeake Bay from my KR. But for now land-lubber shots will have to do! Everybody keep building, we're looking for your sunset shots too! Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 92% done only 67% to go!
KR> 2009 KR Gathering Registration
In addition to the attendee's listed by Larry, there were three more added to the list this morning: Mueller Paul LangfordMark Teate Stephen The pre-registration form has a table at the top that shows who has registered. See you in Mt Vernon Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 92% done only 67% to go! Larry sent the following list: BoyerDavid BrewerJim DAVISCHARLIE FinkAllan FlesnerLarry HartwigRich HeathDaniel JonesMark LeeBob LevertonJim PesakRobert & Kathy SimpsyesMichael =
KR> Gathering hats and shirts
The pre-registration form has been online for a couple of months. The usual list of KRGathering attendees has not been provided because only Bob Lee and Larry Flesner have registered. When someone registers, the list will be included. Bob -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Larry Flesner Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:59 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Gathering hats and shirts > > >Is there a list that shows who is signed up for the Gathering? >Pete Klapp ++++++++++ Bob Lee is the "keeper of the Gathering site" and has been quite busy lately. The answer will be "yes" when Bob has time to set it up along with the registration form. Right, Bob Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Ivoprop?
Pete was correct about how the Ivoprop works, the blades are twisted spanwise to reduce or increase the pitch of the prop. As Mark L. pointed out, this is what is required to make a really efficient prop. So in theory, the Ivoprop can be a very good option. Unfortunately, they have never solved the issue of blade creep in the hub and eventually when used on a horizontally apposed engine (VW or Corvair) in direct drive you will end up loosing a blade. I have flown behind an Ivoprop in a Kitfox with a Rotax and it was amazing to watch fuel flow go down, RPM go down and airspeed go up. As pointed out earlier, this was at much lower speed than a KR flies. Ivo has come out with Magnum blades to address the high speed issue but there is still the same hub design that requires frequent inspection to detect blade movement in the hub. Bottom line, Ivo is not ready to be "good enough for a KR". Who wants to have a one bladed prop anyway? Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 92% done only 67% to go!
KR> Venturi on a KR2S
KRheads, It has been stated: "I've been struggling to find a way to drive my vacuum pump on my KR2S..." In this day and age, why would you consider steam gages as something that you want on your KR? There are many options for electrical substitutions for steam gages that would give you a much better option to make your KR a light weight IFR bird. In my case I have installed dual alternators a preference over a vaccume pump and a single alternator. All electric gives you much better flexibility to keep important things working regardless of which power source fails. Don't think you need vaccume because they used to do it that way. What is the best way for you to get your KR on the mission you want it on now? That is the only thing that matters. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% complete, only 51% left!
KR> Bob Lee
David Swanson wrote: << Anyone know how I can get ahold of Bob Lee? Cant find his email anywhere. want to find out how his plan flying 1800nm is doing. >> David, A KR-2 really can't go that far. You can only fake out the flight plan gods by picking the time of year for the flight that will give you proper tail winds to allow the flight to happen. My KR-2 has a large header tank and wing tanks that will provide ten hours endurance so faverable winds are required to meet the mission. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go! http://kr.flyboybob.com mailto:b...@flyboybob.com
KR> Magazine article
Darren, I've got the EAA sport Avaition on CD from 1953-2003. I just searched the title index for "under $10,000" and came up with no matches. Then I asked for a full text search for "under $10,000". It found 14 matches that I have copied below. Do any of these articles jog your memory? Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go! http://kr.flyboybob.com mailto:b...@flyboybob.com 14 matches found 14 matches displayed Title Author Issue The Davis DA-1, A Research and Development Project Leon Davis December 1958 I started building airplane models when I was six years old. Not con-tent with the kit types, I preferred to build airplanes of my own design. While working on the family farm I always had visions of building and manufacturing my own full-sized air-craft. Later, when I was in high school, I took a correspondence course in drafting and engineering Question & Answer Department September 1960 Q. I think it is a crime the way some EAA members approach airplanes and airplane design. Too many of them do nothing but copy older designs. Too many of them favor obsolete ships like the Baby Ace and a number of biplanes instead of building really modern things with delta wings and retractable landing gears. All this talk about An Aero Engine Fraud December 1962 SEVERAL MONTHS ago some advertisements appeared in an aviation advertising paper which offered two-cylinder, 30 hp aircraft engines at the fascinating price of $89.00 each, brand new. SPORT AVIATION'S editors have been looking into this remarkable bargain in such ways as have been open to them and can now report that they are extremely glad the same advertising did not American Moth Harvey DoyleDecember 1986 This article represents my best recollections of the original design and construction of the American Moth. I passed my pilot's examination in 1928 (License 8316), participated in fifty years of aircraft development including work on a Mach three all-weather interceptor in 1959 and now reside with my wife and family in Charlottesville, VA. For further information, I can be contacted Hot Line From Headquarters May 1987 BACK COVER PAINTING This month's back cover painting is entitled "Photo Finish". It is the work of Michael J. Machat of 4426 Deseret Dr., Woodland Hills, CA 91364 (phone 818/702-9433) and was judged Par Excellence in the 1986 EAA Art Competition. The painting is a dramatic overhead angle of P-51D "Lil Margaret" sweeping over a Heinkel He 111 that has From the Archives Dennis ParksDecember 1988 That is the way an advertisement for a set of aviation books in 1941 began. "Supreme and distinctive in the flying field - the only aviation books that give all necessary and accurate technical information in an irresistible human style. Every fact a pilot must know is made unforgettable by personalized and often humorous touches in text and graphic drawings." Hot Line From Headquarters August 1990 BACK COVER PAINTING This month's back cover painting was presented a Par Excellence award in the 1989 EAA Aviation Art competition. Entitled "Early Risers", it depicts the first DC-3 on an early morning flight. The artist is John Paul Jones of 800 Cessna Drive, El Paso, TX 79925 (phone: 915/751-5021). The DC-3 came about as the result of an order Differential GPS Budd DavissonOctober 1993 It's getting a little mind boggling trying to keep up with all that's new in aviation and Oshkosh is guaranteed to square the boggle-factor. We're hardly inside the arches before the new stuff seems to steam roll over us like a tidal wave, challenging us to assimilate it all. Clearly an impossible task. An unfortunate part of this tidal wave $10,000 and A Whole Lot of Fun! Mary JonesJanuary 1998 Imagine this! Your long, lost rich uncle that you barely knew has passed away and left you $10,000...AND your darling spouse -- bless his/her soul--h as said "Honey, spend this money on whatever you want for yourself. No questions asked." Wow, what to buy? Well, if you're an aviation enthusiast, one of the first things that'll probably come to mind The Skycycle Fred BarkerJuly 1987 One of the all time fantasies of aviation buffs everywhere is this: Walk out to your garage, back out a gleaming little Buck Rogers type aircraft and zoom right out of your driveway, up over the clogged traffic for an exhilarating and carefree trek to work (or wherever). The Skycycle was developed out of that same fantasy. It all started Hot Line From Headquarters January 1988 BACK COVER PAINTING This month's back cover painting was awarded Fourth Place in the 1987 EAA Aviation Art Contest. Entitled "Almost Time To Go", it is the work of artist John Paul Jones of 800 Cessna Drive, El Paso, TX 79925 (phone 915/751-5021). He describes the painting as follows: "Light fading, a cold winte
KR> Sterba prop data vs Sensenich
Mark, Since it seems that your prop is a little too steep in ptich perhaps you should give an old trick a try: Climb out to 200 feet above your test altitude and level off. Let the KR accelerate up to top speed. Then enter a very shallow dive of 50'/min descent rate. After four minutes you will be back down to your test altitude and the engine will be spinning a few hundred RPM faster. In some planes this trick is enough to get the plane accelerated to a speed that otherwise it could not achieve. If this doesn't work try 400 feet above test altitude and a 100'/min dive. Somewhere in there you will find the sweet spot where you get a couple of extra MPH than you could otherwise accelerate to in straight and level flight at a particular test altitude. The point to remember is that you get a higher top speed when you dive on it than when you climb to it. Good luck! Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go! http://kr.flyboybob.com mailto:b...@flyboybob.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:35 PM To: KRnet Cc: Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft Subject: KR> Sterba prop data vs Sensenich NetHeads, I should have waited for a 59 degree day, but it was pretty much gorgeous this afternoon, so I flew the 52x60 Sterba prop on the new 3100cc engine for the first time today. Although I didn't really plan it, I did a 0' AGL to 7500' climb test, then leveled off at 7500' for a wide open throttle test, then pulled the throttle back to idle and did a glide test / simulated engine-out thing just to see how far I could glide. My first clue that this was going to be quite different from the Sensenich 54 x 54 was that I had to just about double the engine RPM to get the plane moving away from the hangar. I actually got out to see if I had two flat tires, but "no joy". The Sterba just didn't move as much air at "low" airspeeds. Then I took off, and ate up about 50% more runway than usual getting off, and I started to question touch and goes in the future. Climb rate was down from 1300'/min to about 1000'/min, but it's also a 20 degree warmer day than that test on the Sensenich. The Sensenich allows (maybe begs) you to assume a really steep climb angle just to keep the climb speed down to 100 mph. The Sterba was much shallower to maintain the same speed, with slower climb rate. Top speed at 7500' is 170 mph TAS, about 7 mph slower than the Sensenich, but at a whopping 500 rpm slower! This means I'm still screaming along, but with a lot less load on the engine, lower fuel consumption, and noise in the cockpit, which is not a bad deal. The lack of spinner probably cost me 2 mph also, so we're down to only 5 mph, and it was 20 degrees warmer today than the Sensenich test, so that narrows the gap even more. Not a bad flying experience, actually, but the lack of climb rate means a decrease in safety margin during takeoffs. The glide test raised the glide ratio bar (although this probably has more to do with improved piloting and data gathering) from 11.5:1 to 12.3:1. Ten miles out from the airport at 7500' I chopped the throttle to idle and glided to Fayetteville. Seven minutes later at 3000' I crossed the runway at midfield, and had to do some serious slipping to fly the pattern and drop from 3000' to the runway to put it on the numbers. The average glide speed was about 75 mph at 630 ft/min, about 13 mph above stall speed clean. Any slower and vertical speed increased. I did five touch and goes and flew to M38 and did three more. When I left the gas pump I did my usual business of standing on one brake and increasing to about half throttle, but the plane wouldn't move...not until I wound it out to wide open. Quite a difference in props! I guess what I'm describing is the difference in a climb prop and a cruise prop, except the Sterba's still too coarse to be a cruise prop for my plane. But somewhere in the middle is going to be sweet! I'm not going to worry about it until I get wheel pants and leg fairings, among other things, but it's now clear to me that I can do better in the prop department. More testing is in order... Mark Langford email: N56ML "a" hiwaay.net website: www.N56ML.com ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net Post photos, introductions, and For Sale items to http://www.kr2forum.com/phpBB2/index.php please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> paint
Gus (airb...@comcast.net) wrote: << if painted in a different color (dark) will that affect the temp on the fiberglass on the wings and warp them ?? >> Take a look at Drawing No. 90 (Page 116 in my KR2 plans) and you can see the difference in surface temperature with color. In 110F ambient air the peak surface temp is 162F with white; 171F with yellow; 220F with Green or Red; and 237F with Black (http://kr.flyboybob.com/images/kr2/kr2plans-drwg90.jpg). Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go! http://kr.flyboybob.com b...@flyboybob.com
KR> How to make an alternator look like a magneto??
KRnetters, I am very excited to have finally completed a 27 month long step in my KR construction. Yesterday I completed the modifications needed to make my Hitachi alternator look to my engine like a magento. I have put together a link that compiles my diary pages into one page of the alternator modification at: http://flyboybob.com/web_pages/kr2/alternator_index.htm. I need some peer review of the drive puck installation from those of you with magneto experience. I have approximately .200" engagement depth into the .250" deep magneto drive puck when the puck is fully seated on the alternator. Now for the important questions: What is the normal engagement depth clearnace for the magneto drive puck? Does anyone have access to an installation manual that gives specifications for the magneto drive puck clearnaces? Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go!
KR> Steve Jones
I just read the NTSB report that Mark Jones reported last week. <<http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20051110X01828=MIA06LA006 =1>> The interesting thing in this report was what they don't say. Under the section, WRECKAGE AND IMPACT INFORMATION it was stated: "According to law enforcement personnel who dove on the wreckage, only 1 wing remained secured to the airplane." What they don't say is if the other wing was at the crash site. Did it separate in flight and end up somewhere else or is it located at the crash site because it broke off on impact? We have never had evidence of a KR wing failure in flight and it would be helpful to know if that is still true after Steve's crash. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go!
KR> KRGathering Photos
Anyone that is interested in photos of the KRGathering should look at http://KRGathering.org for a few. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go!
KR> Name this photo contest.
This photo, http://flykr2s.com/langford/P9300038.JPG needs the following caption: I told you to keep the oil "INSIDE" the engine! Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go!
KR> Regarding NACA duct Sucking air
Guys, Let's not get too technical for KR work here. It's real simple flow goes from high pressure to low pressure. A NACA duct is good for capturing total pressure from a flow or returning total pressure to a flow (reverse placement to outflow back to the free stream). Where is the high pressure and where is the low pressure? Once you know that then you can maximize the flow from high to low! What's all this suck blow stuff anyway? The problem here is the terms being used, not the engineering. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go!
KR> ODYSSEY BATTERY
Larry H. wrote: <> Larry, This is the only technology battery to have in your airplane, car, motercycle, lawn tractor ... I purchased a Panasonic variant four years ago and it is still running fine. It spent two years in my KR as the power source for testing the wiring installation. It was capable of spinning my VW TypeIV engine very smartly. After two years without charging it I put it in my BMW motorcycle to replace the DieHard that went bad and it cranked it right up. I purchased the battery from http://digikey.com for $36.23. The part number is LC-RD1217P and it only weighs 14.4 pounds. I have a copy of the data sheet for this battery on my web site at http://flyboybob.com/kr2/lc-rd1217p.pdf. I just checked the digikey website and the price is now $40.67 in quantities of one. If you can find four guys that want a battery the price is $34.86. Don't hesitate to use the glass mat technology lead-acid batteries in your KR. They have an excellent shelf life when left for extended periods without use. My plan is to buy a new battery every two years for my KR. Then I will take the used battery out of the KR and replace the battery in my motorcycle. The used battery out of the motorcycle can then be put in my lawn tractor. It takes a little maintencance but the price is cheep $40 every two years and you cover your KR, motorcycle, and lawn tractor. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go!
KR> FW: [AirVW] Corvair Engine for Sale
The attached post came in this morning advertising a 110 HP Corvair motor for sale on the AirVW Yahoo Groups list. If you are interested contact Terry directly. I don't know anything about it. I'm just passing on the lead to anyone that might be interested in a Corvair. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go! -Original Message- From: ai...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ai...@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Terry [emrfi...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 3:38 AM To: ai...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AirVW] Corvair Engine for Sale I have a 110 hp corvair engine for sale. I purchased this engine in anticipation of installing it in my Dragonfly. However, I sold the dragonfly kit and now I need to move the out of my shop. I am asking $400, my actual cost in attaining the motor. It was removed from an old corvair and is untested. It must be rebuilt to use in aviation. Contact me by mail to for further questions. Thanks so much, Terry __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 7New Members Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS a.. Aircraft engine maintenance b.. Aviation c.. Recreation d.. Aircraft engine overhaul e.. Aircraft engine repair Ads on Yahoo! Learn more now. Reach customers searching for you. Y! GeoCities Create a Blog And tell the world what you think. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . __,_._,___
KR> Good-news-bad-news
Netheads, The good news it that after two years of not working on my KR (job changes new business start-up blah blah blah) this weekend I took some acton. When I left off working on N52BL I was finishing up firewall forward so I could take off the engine and finish up the boat. Specifically, this weekend I was trying to finish up the alternator installation. I've got an alternator that will run out of the mag drive of my engine. I've gone with electronic ignition so the mag is no longer necessary. I had already machined the alternator case to fit into the mag drive boss on the back of the engine. This weekend's task was to machine the alternator drive pully so that I could weld on a magnito puck drive from a bad magnito that I got on E-bay for cheap. I had looked up an old KR buddy that built a KR in the late 1980's that had a lathe that could do the machine work on the pully. After several weeks of clashing schedules we finally were able to get together this weekend. The bad news is that I didn't accomplish much. I had ASSumed that the pully was mild steel which we could easily cut down on his lathe. As it turns out the pully is most likely a cast unit that is so hard it wore down a carbide cutting tool on the lathe. We didn't even take .001" off the pully diameter. The alternator shaft is splined so I need to start with a pully that has the correct spline to match the shaft. My wife was a good sport about it, she took me to Jonnie's Pizza last night and bought me two draught Fosters. I cried in my bear and now I feel better. I've learned another way NOT to make progress on the KR. We tried anealing it but that didn't do anything to soften it up. On Monday I'll make a trip to the Alternator Rebuild Shop and see if they can come up with a stamped steel pully that I can get the spline out of but if that doesn't work I'll need to figure out how to make the one I've got softer. Does anyone know of a technique to soften cast steel so you can machine it? Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go!
KR> Oil Leaks
Joe, I'm not a corvair guy so I don't know if the cracks that you have are structurally significant. If they are not; you might try what we did on an old chevy years ago. It developed a crack in the block that let it leak out anti-freeze on the exhaust manifold. We cleaned it up real good and gobbed on some epoxy. That car ran for another 100,000 miles before we sold it with the ornage glob of epoxy still on the side of the block. Some times it's better to shade tree engineer a solution! First you need to decide if your problem is an oil leak or a cracked block? Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go! -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Joe H Horton Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:19 AM To: corvaircr...@mylist.net; kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> Oil Leaks Well Guys. I have been chasing an oil leak in the front of my engine for a few weeks that seemed to be getting worse. I even dyed the oil and kept cleaning and running the engine to locate it. This morning I took the top cover off again thinking that the leak was in a scratch or something like that in the top cover area. What I found has me a little more than upset. There is a crack in the block as viewed from the pilots position in the front right inside corner. It is about 2" long at this time running vertical near the center line of the case. then another smaller one in the top 1/3 of the case and jumps back about an inch. They are not near the #5 cylinder sleeve but more favoring the actual front corner of the block. I did not look at it any further at the moment, I just know it ain't good and walked away. Joe Horton, Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> VW performance
Hennie van Rooyen asked (answers in brackets): Do you perhaps have the firewall forward weight for your engine? << 219 pounds >> Is it carburated << Fuel Injection >> & not turbocharged? << I have added a turbo but the specs quoted are for the normally aspired engine supplied by GPASC. >> What size prop do you intend to use? (52" in flight adjustable) Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go!
KR> KR Gathering Room Deal
Anyone that is holding out to find a good deal for a room at the KR Gathwering this year read on: I just made a reservation for $51/night at the Days Inn across the street from the Holiday Inn. Go to http://www.daysin.com and plug in Mount Vernon, IL. Choose the Days Inn at 205 Potomac Boulevard. I got a King Non-Smoking for $51/day. I was planning on camping but at these prices why not have a real bed? See you in Mt Vernon in 29 days! Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go!
KR> the Gathering
Mark Langford wrote: << I've been doing an annual condition inspection on my engine, ... (see http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/95hp/270hrs/ ) >> If you didn't read Marks write up on his engine inspection let me encourage you to click on his link above. It is an excelent example of paying attention to the details. When things don't look or sound right it's because they aren't. Taking the extra effort to look inside and understand what is going on is part of the responsability we must accept to keep our homebuilt craft flying. Thanks Mark for your example to the entire KR community. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go!
KR> RE: KR net BS
Mark Langford wrote: << I'll throw whoever I want off the list in a heartbeat >> I could buy a completed flying KR if I had a nickle for all the times I wished Mark had thrown me off this list! I keep a folder of "Keeper KRnet Posts" I just looked and there are 13 messages in the folder for 2006. If you look at the archives it shows that there have been 6004 posts so far this year. To you Graduate Engineer types, that's a signal-to-noise ratio of 0.002165! To me two messages in a thousand on KRnet are significant to building my KR. In addition there are the flight reports from Joe, Mark, Mark, Larry and others that are great for motivation but I don't keep track of those. It would probabally add up to less than 98 posts so far this year. My point: Of the 6004 messages posted to KRnet this year only 100 have been keepers. Go to the archives and look down the author list and see if you see yourself posting gobs of messages then ask yourself: "how do all these posts help others build and fly KRs"? I'm with you Mark, lets all go off for an hour and get a reality check. For me KRnet is like gold mining, I've got to sift through tons of material to find ounces of gold. You guys dumping the "material" in the hopper could help us all out here if you cared to do so. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go!
KR> Flaps
I have been reading this thread on flaps and nobody has mentioned one extremely important factor. The first ride I had in a KR, Dan Diehl gave me a ride in Bob Passmore's KR2 which had the standard flaps. Dan made a special point to show me the differance in approach attitude with and without flaps. The most important factor in using the "stock" flaps according to Dan was that they lower the nose so that you can see where you are going to land. I was convinced by his demonstration and I've built stock KR2 flaps on my KR2. When they are deployed the nose drops considerably and the plane slows down, both neat features to have available. YMMV! Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go!
KR> KR Gathering ---Homecoming?
Bill, How about $100 KR rides to help the pilots pay for their fuel and lodging both ways? There are quite a few that would be willing to part with a $C note to get a ride. I haven't had a good thrill since I flew Marty Roberts' KR2 and demonstrated severe PIO. Y H! Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go! -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of william Clapp Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 5:35 PM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> KR Gathering ---Homecoming? Glenda and I were talking and she came up with an interesting idea. Why not a gathering in California at Kens airport or area? Visit Janette? That way Steve Glover doesnt get the longest distance award - A kind of Kr homecoming. Be nice to send in photo to Sport Aviation of 25 KRs and a bunch of people in front of the KR birthplaceThoughts? - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> KR Gathering ---Homecoming?
Steve Eberhart wrote: << My ride with Marty was one non-stop roller coaster ride. He kept his hand about two inches over mine and kept dropping it to stabilize the stick. That was my first KR ride. Not the way to gain new builders IMHO. >> Steve, IMHO there is another way to look at the experience. Marty made it extremely clear that the problem was not the KR2. Under his hand his KR2 was rock steady. Marty taught me to never fly a KR2 with your elbow floating free from your sholder. The weight of your arm is sufficient to produce wild PIO. Once you plant your elbow against your side and only control with your fingers and wrist the KR2 is very stable. Some people (like me) only learn a lesson by making the mistake themselves. Light touch does not mean unstable, it means light touch. If not for Marty Roberts, I would not know the proper way to fly my KR2. Thanks a million Marty! Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go!
KR> Couple things
Dana, You just keep them "verbal rivits" flyin'! The guy's that need to hear you are quite hard of hearing. The more often we tell them the the better chance we have that one of them might actually get it. Being in the homebuilt aircraft fold we are all dreamers so why can't we dreem that there will be communication on this forum? Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go! -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dana Overall Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:23 AM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> Couple things OK, soap box time. Traffic detection units: I have a Monroy system in my new panel. I have used it in other aircraft I have flown and found it to be effective in pointing out traffic. I have mine wired through the intercom now and would feel "nearsighted" without it. At the cost of these units, I would recommend them without hesitation. (My experience and opinion only). Weather: Garmin just came out with their new 496. Start looking for 396's on Ebay as a lot of people on that ol metal forum I am on have already bought 496's. The weather function of the 396 works quite nicely and is endorsed by pilots I know who fly cross country on a regular basis. The 396 has made their airplanes more useful and their flights more safe. Gathering: After hosting the National KR Gathering two times, I will go out on a short limb and say the reason it has been held for only two years by one person is it is a lot of work. The second one is much easier than the first one as you already have items in the que. After two, it has been time for someone else to do the work. The two I hosted were 1.5 hours by Bonanza or 6 hours by car from my house. Why?, because the western KY area was within flying or driving distance from something like 35 states. The more centrally located, the more people you get at the gathering. It is, and has been, acceptable to discuss it on the KRNet prior to the gathering. Stirs the thought process. You will never satisfy all the people, you can only satisfy the majority. Thus the vote at the gathering. Flying lessons, near accident, accidents. Point out your experience, do not criticize comments. Learn the truth, do not quote hearsay. Learn from accidents. Flying lessons: Learn from Mark's comments about his flying. What could be done to avoid that situation, not what you think he did wrong or right. I met a jet one time, doing the same thing Mark was doing but I was at about 10200..man, I guess I should take a floggin..but guess what, so was the jet jockey. Accidents, be aware of who is behind you. The reports from Oshkosh are that the warbird pilot taxied for 1000' and never did see the RV. Guess what, the RV pilot never knew the warbird was behind him. My friend flying the formation landing pulled too soon on the three count break and flew into the bottom of lead. Learn, do not criticize. Don't feel the need to comment on every single post on this forum. It's kinda like crying wolf, after a while nobody listens. Be safe...now back to your regular programming. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4 http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html do not archive _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
KR> Camping at the gathering
KR Gathering Campers, As it looks now I will be ariving in MVN at around 2:00 AM on Friday morning. I have just started a new job and Friday is all that I can get off. My question is what time is last call for soda. I'll be making a 500 mile "non-stop" trip in my truck. I was just wondering how late the festivities go on in the campgrounds. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go!
KR> 66 Days till the bigest KR Gathering Ever!
KR netters, I just did an update of the KR Gathering Pre-Registration file and there are now 18 KRs scheduled to attend. This would tie the all time record (if we include the one on the trailer two years ago). Since Mark J is busy with Oshkosh I just wanted to remind you that there are only 66 more days till the gathering. If your KR is flying and you have not yet made the decision to attend don't let this opportunity to be part of a record setting KR Gathering pass you by. See y'all in Mount Vernon in 66 days, Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go!
KR> Formulas
Dan, Wing loading is the weight divided by the wing area. The answer comes out to be pounds/sq-ft. As an example: 900Pounds / 78sq-ft yields a wing loading of: 11.5 pounds/sq-ft. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go! -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 5:52 AM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: RE: KR> Formulas Brian, I am looking at this again because I am filling out a "self evaluation", getting ready for that first flight, and it asks about wing loading. I suppose you figure that by using some of these numbers and then calculating the weight somehow See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC ---Original Message--- From: Brian Kraut List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: 04/18/06 22:07:23 To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> Formulas Of course I figured these off the plans wing then saw you wanted the Diehl. Duh. Anyway, here is how you figure it out. The area of the center section is the length (87" by the plans) multiplied by the chord (48" by the plans). That gives you the area in square inches. Divide that by 144 if you want it in square feet. The outboard wings are trapezoidal so add the chord of the root (48" for plans built) to the chord of the tip (36" by plans) then divide by two to get the average chord. Multiply the average chord by the length of one outboard wing to get the area. Multiply that by two to get the area of both wings and add it to the area of the center section to get the total wing area. Divide that total by the overall length of the entire wing to get the MAC of the whole wing. Divide the length of the whole wing by the MAC and that gives you the aspect ratio. Do it all in square inches or all in square feet then convert as necessary. Now Dan, get a piece of chalk and do one one the board. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net >mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net;>krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:54 PM To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> Formulas area 75 sq ft MAC 44.29" Aspect ratio 5.59/1 Not sure what the dihedral is off the top of my head. Seem to remember 8" at each tip? Wing loading is whatever you are figuring for the weight divided by the 75 square feet. My square footage is figured from a CAD drawing adapted from old 3 view drawings I scanned a while ago. I think the plans state 78 square feet, but it depends on the wing tips you do or any other mods done. They will skew the other numbers a little also. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net >mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net;>krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:04 PM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> Formulas Does anyone have the formulas for calculating these, or what to measure to get these: Wing Airfoil: RAF48 Total wing area: ? sq.ft Mean Aerodynamic chord: ? Aspect ratio: ? Dihedral:? Wing Loading:? Please mail me directly at da...@alltel.net You can just click on the mail link provided. This is for the Diehl long wing, for my POH See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Connector
Mark, Try DigiKey.com. They have it all! Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 65% to go! -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Jones Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:11 AM To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> Connector Thanks, but that is not the correct type. Those are type HD and used on computers and have 3 rows of pins. The DA type used in aviation has 2 rows of pins and when I went to Radio Shack they said they do not carry those. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Web site: www.flykr2s.com Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of James R Freeman Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 7:40 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Connector Mark: Radio Shack did have those. http://www.radioshack.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=2032285=2032058 .2032231=18=1=PAD%2FCable+Type%2F15-position=Cable+ty pe%2F15-position Jim - Original Message - From: "Mark Jones" <mjo...@muellersales.com> To: "KR Net E-mail" <kr...@mylist.net> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 8:33 AM Subject: KR> Connector >I am in need of a 15 pin DA-15 (female) D-Subminiature connector. Anyone >know where to get these. I have searched everywhere. This is for my >altitude encoder. I need to make a wire harness to the transponder. Thanks, > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > Web site: www.flykr2s.com > Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> KR Gathering Plane List
Mark Jones wrote regarding KR pilots that will fly to the gathering: >> I know there are others... please add your name and forward back to the KR Net. << According to the KRGathering pre-registration forms there are 22 pilots that have indicated that they will fly their KRs to this year's KRGathering: Brian Douglas Killeen, Texas Brian Kraut Jacksonville, FL Colin Rainey Sanford, Florida Collin ClelandCalgary, Alberta, Canada James Raleigh Mexico, Mo. Jeff York Lexington, KY Jim FaughnSt. Louis, MO Joe Weber Cuba City, Wis. Ken Jones Sharonville, OH kenneth thomasjasper al Larry Flesner Carterville, Illinois Mark JonesWales, Wisconsin Mark Langford Harvest, Alabama Orma Robbins Southfield MI Paul Nunn Pueblo, Colorado Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ STEVE BENNETT OMAHA, NE Steve Glover Trabuco Canyon, California steven w jonesvenice,fl Terry TeerAckerman, MS Tommy Waymack Pine Bluff,Arkansas William Clapp Valdosta GA Regards, Bob Lee
KR> Anti KR Medicine
Phil, I don't know what kind of medicine the Shelia's hand out down under, but up here in the northern hemisphere when the wife turns off the "medicine" a trip to the hanger will not cut it. The only thing that helps in that situation is a cold shower! Bob Lee KR2 91% complete only 55% to go -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Phillip Matheson Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 5:47 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Anti KR Medicine Mark The only problem I see is that her medicine my stop after the gathering, then what will you do? Move into your hanger? Phil Matheson mathes...@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Gathering attendees
Mark Jones asked: << Larry, can you update this list? >> The preregistration list has been updated this morning as of 06:00 EDT. We are still at 79 registrations. It can be found at: http://krgathering.org/pre-reg-form.htm. Regards, Bob Lee
KR> Gathering hats/shirts
Dan Heath wrote: >> I believe that last year, we could review our registration. Will this be possible this year. I am not sure what I signed up for. << You are correct Dan. I have added a listing of who has ordered what hats and shirts to the pre-registration form on the gathering web site. Go to http://krgathering.org/pre-reg-form.htm and you can see what you have on order. Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 90% done only 62% to go!
KR> 2004 Gathering Photos
Mark, I can't tell if you are bragging or complaining? Anyway, have a great vacation, you will need the rest so that you can finish your KR. Regards, Bob Lee KR2 N52BL 91% done only 54% to go! -Original Message- From: krnet-bounces+bob=flyboybob@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+bob=flyboybob@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:03 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> 2004 Gathering Photos Pat wrote: > John, one of your gathering fotos had a VW engine with a carb mounted atop > the case. Do you recall who owns that one? Steve Bennett (of Great Plains Aircraft fame) has an Ellison carb mounted on top of the VW in his "KR1.5". He said he immediately picked up 200 or 300 rpm just by moving it up top. There are pictures of it near the top of http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/barkley2000/ . I'm glad you guys are throwing your pictures out there. That takes a load off of me. I haven't touched my airplane or my Gathering pictures since I got home, and am about to take off for two weeks on vacation, and I'm not expecting an internet connection while I'm gone (Europe), so it'll be a while before I get around to publishing mine... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ___ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Fuel System
Dan, Your diagram looks good. I would suggest that you add a pair of check valves at the 1/8" Tee. The way you have the system plumed a leak in either side will allow fuel to run overboard rather than to the carb. If you install check valves at the carb then you can operate on one side regardless of the integrity of the opposite side fuel path. Regards, Bob Lee KR2 N52BL 91% done only 54% to go! -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 8:41 PM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> Fuel System Several weeks ago, I asked for a solution for installing my Header Tank - Dual Facet Pump - Carb, fuel system. The Pumps go on the firewall and I really could not figure out what mix and match of parts to put together to get the fuel from a 3/8 pipe fitting on my filter to a 1/8 pipe fitting on my carburetor. The goal was to never allow the volume to increase and have it split into the pumps and then brought back together at the carb. Well, apparently, no one on the net has done this, so I had to go elsewhere for help. They have very nice people at Wicks. Has anyone ever told you that before? I sent their customer support my request. Later that day, I was called by Janet to get some clarification. Later that week, I received a request for my fax number because David, of Wicks, had come up with a drawing for me. Well, I changed it a little and put it on paper with pictures and part numbers and passed it back by David. He saw no problem with it, so here it is. http://kr-builder.org/FirewallForward/index.html First PIC on the page, but you will need to click on it to be able to really see it. Now see if you can go in at the filter and find your way to the Ellison. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ___ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Gathering Registration
Well Netheads, the 24th KR Gathering could turn out to be the best we've ever had. Today at 4:00 PM Eastern Time the Pre-Registrations hit 100. Hold on, that's not the best part, the big deal is that there are twenty (yes 20) KRs that are registered to fly in this year Some of us old timers remember Covington TN where we have a picture of 17 KRs in one gaggle. Anybody remember Jim Faughn on the ladder passing up everyone's camera to get the shot? This year could be an all time record for flying KRs at a Gathering. Any of you that are on the fence, you don't want to miss this one. See you at MVN in a few hours. Regards, Bob Lee KR2 N52BL 91% done only 54% to go!
KR> Mark, How Many Days Left?
Mark, How many days left till we get to go to meca? I've lost count. I'm getting really excited. There are 23 KR pilots preregistered that indicate that they will be bringing their KRs to this year's gathering. This could be an all time record for number of flying KRs at a gathering. If you haven't registered, go to KRGathering.org and let us know you will be there. None of the CA contingent have committed to the Gathering this year. If you guys show up, we could have 30 KRs at one place at one time Only three more weeks. Regards, Bob Lee __ KR-2 N52BL, 91% done only 54% to go! mailto:b...@flyboybob.com http://flyboybob.com
KR> Getting Ready To Fly
Orma wrote << the boost control and the stick are close to each other and require the same hand >> I also have a TypeIV with a turbo and a manual waste gate. The condition that I designed the engine controls for was a go-around on short final. I built a Throttle quadrant that has throttle, waste gate, mixture and cowl flaps all together in my left hand. The stick is in my right hand. In an emergency full power situation I simply shove all four levers full forward. This give full throttle, open waste gate, mixture full rich, and cowl flaps open. To go to "war emergency power" I pull back on the waste gate control. Operationally, I know that the throttle is full open, mixture is full rich, and cowl flaps are full open before I begin to add boost. In addition, when you are close to the ground you most likely don't need boost so in one motion of left hand forward you are very close to full power so that you can concentrate on flying the airplane and not worrying about engine control settings. All of the commercially available throttle quadrants were too expensive for what you get so I just built one up out of 6061 Al. I bent up two "L" shaped pieces of Al that form top-right and bottom-left sides. The bottom-left piece is mounted to the left sidewall and has the pivot (an3 bolt) and the levers (fashioned from 1/8" Al). The top-right piece has slots in the top for the levers and mounting holes on the right side. A wing nut on the pivot bolt outside of the right side allows for adjusting the tension on the pivot to prevent creep of the controls. You might want to reconsider having your waste gate control conflicting with your flying hand. You can fly the airplane without power but I would not recommend powering the airplane without flying! Your KR has flown and mine has not yet, so consider the source of this recommendation. Regards, Bob Lee __ 3380 Ashton Drive Suwanee, GA 30024 Cell:(404) 538-1427 Phone: (770) 844-7511 Fax: (770) 844-7501 mailto:b...@flyboybob.com http://flyboybob.com
KR> KRGathering Pre-Registration
-Original Message- From: Bob Lee [mailto:b...@krgathering.org] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 4:28 PM To: KRnet Subject: KRGathering Pre-Registration Netters, This is a post for those of you that are planning on attending the KRGathering. Many of you have been contacting Larry asking about what you put in the pre-registration or if you pre-registered or It seems that there a few of us on KRnet that suffer from senior moments. Some are even in the advanced stages of CRN disease (can't remember nothin'). To help Larry with responding to these requests your webmaster has put the KRGathering Pre-Registrations on the web. To protect the security of your e-mail addresses that are listed in the form there is a username and password that you will need to enter to review the pre-registrations. Go to KRGathering.org and on the red navigation bar select the link to "Pre-registrations". This will bring up the pre-registration form. At the top of the form in the red navigation bar there is a link to "Review pre-registrations". When you select this link it will bring up a password window: enter the username "kr_nut" and the password "keep0ut" (that's a zero). This will then bring up a table with all of the pre-registration information. Some of you have pre-registered multiple times. We only show the last entry for each person. If you don't like what you put in just hit the link to "Pre-registration form" and it will bring up the pre-registration form. You can fill it out again if you would like to change what you have already submitted. Remember, we only keep the data on the last form that you enter. All previous forms are deleted. We're doin this on a shoe string so there is no database to keep track of your changes. I will update the pre-registration review daily until Larry decides to cut off changes. At the top of the Pre-registration review page there is a not indicating the Date and Time of the last update of that data. Regards, Your KRGathering Webmaster mailto:webmas...@krgathering.org http://krgathering.org
KR>chemical corrosion coating for 4130 steel?
Mark, >From the photo, it's not clear to me where you are mounting the motor end of the flap actuator. I would suggest that you include a walking beam from the motor end of the flap actuator to a tab on the bottom of the flap torque tube. This will resolve the pull or push force on the flap torque tube and only leave a resulting torque on the flap torque tube. A square al tube could easily be used as the walking beam. It could extend to the rear spar and be attached to the rear spar with a short link to resolve the in and out motion as the flap motor extends and contracts as well as the net torque on the flap torque tube. The result is very light structural loads to be resolved by very strong parts of the aircraft structure. The floor is not sufficiently rigid to preclude flex that could result in change of flap deflection angle. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words, so take a look at this link to see what I'm talking about: http://flyboybob.com/images/kr2/flapwalkingbeam.jpg. I used a very sophisticated freeware drafting package called bob-draw-pro so no comments about the quality of the drawing, you get what you pay for. Regards, Bob Lee __ N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 30024 91% done only 51% to go! Phone/Fax: 770/844-7501 mailto:b...@flyboybob.com http://flyboybob.com
KR>Venturi - not for me. IFR - ok in VFR weather.
KRnetters, I've been watching all of the posts about venturis or IFR and I would like to offer a broader perspective to consider. In looking at a single engine IFR airplane there are typically four power sources that operate in addition to the basic engine: 1. the magneto converts rotary motion to electrical energy for spark 2. the vacuum pump converts rotary motion to air flow to power some instruments 3. the alternator converts rotary motion to electrical energy to power some aircraft systems 4. the battery stores electrical energy to power some aircraft systems. With this typical configuration you have alternative power sources for some system however they each operate independently from one another. What good is excess vacuum pump capacity when the alternator fails, or excess battery capacity when the vacuum pump fails? I have replaced these four power sources with two alternators and two batteries and have all aircraft systems electrically powered. The magneto is replaced with electronic ignition. The vacuum pump is replaced with a 400 VAC inverter to power an AC powered Horizon and DG. The turn coordinator is powered by 12VDC. This will provide the most flexibility in powering aircraft systems from different power sources when failures occur. Here are two links to my web site that show what I've done that might be of interest: The instrument panel (http://flyboybob.com/images/kr2/n52bl/electric%20and%20instrument/inst01.jp g) is IFR capable for training purposes. You can file IFR when the weather is VFR and do your flying in the clear. On long cross countries, it's nice to know that someone knows where I am, just in case I don't. The power distribution and wiring diagrams (http://flyboybob.com/kr2/wd0001.htm) show two battery busses, each with a separate battery and alternator that power the main bus. The main bus powers all engine critical systems directly as well as a separate avionics bus for comm, nav, and instruments. The avionics master has a backup circuit breaker to eliminate it as a single point of failure to all avionics. I'm going down into a secure bunker now to work on my KR2. The build it light and simple brigade can lock and load, my airplane factory is a hardened facility! Regards, Bob Lee _ N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 51% to go! Phone/Fax: 770/844-7501 mailto:b...@flyboybob.com http://flyboybob.com
KR>Venturi - not for me. IFR - ok in VFR weather.
KRnetters, It seems that the new KRnet has a mind of it's own when it comes to formatting messages. Text messages are reformatted to have a maximum line length of 76 characters. This forced the last character of the link I posted to my instrument panel to be placed on the following line. Before everyone panics that the link is wrong, let me reformat it to be less than 76 characters and see if it will get past the list forwarder? Instrument panel link: http://flyboybob.com/images/kr2/n52bl/electric%20and%20instrument/inst01.jpg Regards, Bob Lee __ N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 30024 91% done only 51% to go! Phone/Fax: 770/844-7501 mailto:b...@flyboybob.com http://flyboybob.com
KR>Venturi - not for me. IFR - ok in VFR weather.
Dan Heath asked: "How did you say that you are driving all those gyros"? Well another senior moment, I stated the horizon and dg were 400VAC. In truth, they are 400 cycle 120VAC units powered through an inverter from 12VDC. The turn and bank is powered directly from 12VDC. Regards, Bob Lee __ N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 30024 91% done only 51% to go! Phone/Fax: 770/844-7501 mailto:b...@flyboybob.com http://flyboybob.com
KR>Venturi - not for me. IFR - ok in VFR weather.
Jerry Mahurin wrote: Looks like weight and CG considerations have gone out the window. I don't see where you draw your weight and CG conclusion Jerry. The instrument panel weighs 47 pounds including everything you see in the diagram, G-meter, Rate of turn, DG, Hor, inverter (2#), Rate of climb, airspeed, Compass, Omni, Nav/Com, Transponder, Loran, Auto pilot, circuit breakers, engine monitor, fuel gages, marker beacon, audio panel, light dimmer and misc other switches. A lot of work went into getting that functionality in a 50 pound weight budget. The CG at gross weight is exactly in the center of the allowable range. The zero fuel weight and balance is about a half inch in front of the cg range so after moving one of the batteries I should be perfect. I'll wait till the final weight and balance to make that adjustment. The preliminary weight and balance is on my website at: http://flyboybob.com/web_pages/kr2/weight_and_balance_1.htm. Regards, Bob Lee __ N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 30024 91% done only 51% to go! Phone/Fax: 770/844-7501 mailto:b...@flyboybob.com http://flyboybob.com
KR>Venturi - not for me. IFR - ok in VFR weather.
Jerry, I keep watching Marty Roberts and his 1400 pound KR2 at each gathering and I've decided that ultimate light weight is not as important as the total package for my KR. I must agree with you that there have been many KRs built light that fly very well. The final test will when we get flying to see if our creations do what we expect??? Keep on building and see ya at the Gathering. Regards, Bob Lee __ N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 30024 91% done only 51% to go! Phone/Fax: 770/844-7501 mailto:b...@flyboybob.com http://flyboybob.com
