Re: KR> In-flight Fire

[Randy Smith via KRnet]

Tripacer has fuel in wings.  That was an electrical fire. 95% of in flight 
fires are not survivable whether fuel is in the header or wing. I carry a small 
hellion fire extinguisher up front. I had a DME smoke a couple of weeks ago and 
my wife had the fire extinguisher out before I realized it. She pulled the pin 
before I stopped her. 

On Sunday, January 29, 2017 6:01 PM, Larry Flesner via KRnet 
 wrote:
 

 At 04:21 PM 1/29/2017, you wrote:
>Georgetown, DE, he had an in-flight fire seconds after leaving the runway.
+

That hits close to home having put 500 hours on the old TriPacer I 
had and reaffirms my decision to eliminate a header tank and put all 
fuel in the outboard wing tanks.

I wish your friend a speedy recovery.

Larry Flesner 


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Re: KR> 4-into-1 exhaust system help?

[Randy Smith via KRnet]

When it was time for my exhaust on the KR I Talked to a local muffler shop and 
then loaded it up on a trailer and took it to them.  He said he would be glade 
to do it because it was something different. It only cost me $350 and 
everything fit. It was not stainless and I did have it wrapped and it lasted 
quit a long time.
 

On Saturday, January 28, 2017 8:57 AM, Mark Langford via KRnet 
 wrote:
 

 I gave up trying to find an exhaust system that even vaguely resembles 
what I have on N891JF.  I'm going to have to build another one that 
replicates it, unless I want to remove the engine, completely 
reconfigure the firewall and intake system, etc.  Building a new system, 
as painful as that sounds, is easier than the alternative.

I was going to build it out of 321 stainless until I checked the prices. 
  A 321 U-bend is $94, a 304 U-bend is $40, and a mild steel U-bend is 
$10.  I need 8 U-bends (four are actually J-bends, but same price), just 
to think about getting started, we're talking $800, not to mention 
collector, tailpipe, flanges, etc, if built from 321 stainless.  The 
existing one made it to 600 hours and was mild steel.  I'll have N56ML 
back in the air before I put another 600 hours on this one!

By contrast, my Corvair system was almost reasonable built from 321, 
because it is built so simply using only three U-bends for six 
cylinders.  But it's not a complex 6-into-1 system either, just a pair 
of simple 3-into-1 pipes.

I have everything I need to start on it, and that's what I'm doing all 
weekend, and probably next weekend as well.  I built two mockup engines, 
one with the old exhaust to measure distances and angles from, and the 
other as the fixture to build the new system onto. We'll see how it goes.

One thing I learned along the way is that Great Plains has no exhaust 
systems built, but they do have fixtures, so they are "to order" with a 
30 day lead time.  The configurations are shown on their website at
http://greatplainsas.com/scexhaust.html , none of which are similar to 
mine.  Also, gauge size is not mentioned on their website, but they are 
18g (.049"), rather than the 16g (.065")like the original exhaust 
system, so I had to get all materials elsewhere.  I did buy flanges from 
them, but am not enamored with them as the mounting holes are huge 
compared to the 8mm studs, so I'll have to carefully center the flanges 
to the ports before I start welding tubes to them.

Mark Langford
m...@n56ml.com
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KR> engine mount

[Randy Smith]

Find another supplier. ? 

On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 3:24 PM, Dean Choitz via KRnet  wrote:


 hate to look to stupid but our local iron supplier has never heard of 4130 
iron/steel need to order some material to make a longer mount for cg. question 
cg 4 inches from leading edge to 14 from leading edge is that what most 
builders are shooting for thanks dean choitz
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KR> What are most KR-2's inside fuselage width?

[Randy Smith]

That's the way my wife and I looked with my KR2. After 1 of use put on weight 
?I had to by a bigger plane. The Kr then became a KR1. About landing on a grass 
strip. I did that on a 2500 foot strip for 10 years. Sometimes when the lake 
was up it would be 2200.? Airport is 30F look at google map. I had a tail wheel 
not nose gear and that will make a difference. I would come in at 5 mph over 
stall about 800 fpm and flare. stopped every time. I miss that plane. I now 
have Less Palmers KR and it is very heavy and is not as much fun. Poor thing 
has been sitting for 2 years and I hope after my engine rebuild on my 14-13-2 
Bellanca Cruiseair. I am going to spend some time on it and try to race it.  

On Saturday, November 5, 2016 9:53 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet  wrote:


 Rob Schmitt wrote:

 >It is definitely tight for two full sized adults.

I was looking for a photo I took at the KR Gathering in 2001, to 
illustrate how tight the KR2 (and KR2S) are if you build it per the 
plans.? Especially the KR2 with the bubble canopy, which forces both 
pilot and passenger to lean in a bit to dodge the edge of the bubble. 
That's easily dealt with solo, as you can just slide over a tad in the 
seat, although a center stick limits that.

See image below, which shows Rob Schmitt in the passenger seat of Terry 
Chizak's KR2, taken from above by some idiot hanging out the missing 
back door of Larry Flesner's Tripacer.? Also, note how "short-coupled" 
the KR2 is...the horizontal stabilizer is very close to the wing, hence 
the pitch sensitivity...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
http://www.n56ml.com


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KR> VW Engines

[Randy Smith]

Flying is not cheap.?? Neither is boating, fishing, golf and just about any 
hobby you try. No matter what engine you pick it will cost between $5 and $8 
thousands after all expenses.?I believe flying a KR is about one of the least 
expensive planes you can fly and travel in. I can tell you from my standpoint. 
I am on my 3 wife (the 3rd one likes flying) and in the last 25 years I have 
had the opportunity to?build 1 KR and own 2 other KRs?and have had fun with all 
of them. I have gotten larger? I have moved into bigger faster airplanes. Not a 
whole lot faster. My KR with an O200 cruised at about 140 knots? the one I have 
now will also cruise at about 145 knots but it is heavy with a big engine EJ22. 
I had to move into a Cessna 310 to get the room I needed and speed I wanted.?? 

On Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:06 PM, Patrick Driscoll via KRnet  wrote:


 Chris said: its not necessarily cheap but a KR is about as cheap as it gets. 
and I
honestly have concluded that the VW can be acceptably reliable and
easy / cheap to maintain.

Please fellows, do not degrade the KR. The word to use is, "inexpensive".
Patrick Driscoll
Saint Paul, MN
patrick36 at usfamily.net
www.pensbypat.com
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KR> painting update.

[Randy Smith]

Did you make a mistake when painting that you had to remove epoxy primer? Not 
sure why you would use epoxy primer. Normally epoxy paint is used for finale 
coat. 

On Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:19 PM, Mike Sylvester via KRnet  wrote:


 Hey guys, I should have said sanding update as I have been basically taking 
off most all of the 2 part epoxy primer. Six days of hellish 12 hour days but 
the sanding is over with. Gonna try my hand at painting tomorrow. I'll let you 
know how it comes out. Let me say that I will never build another composite 
airplane, An all metal Sonex is looking good about now.


Mike Sylvester
kr2s builder
Birmingham,AL.

Cell no.205-966-3854
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KR> O 200

[Randy Smith]

 There are a couple of Con ?O200 engines?on Barnstormers. Look a couple of 
pages in on Experimental.? From past experience you will speed about $6000 for 
just about any engine you pick. I tried 4 VW engines 1 Con 85?and I finally 
installed an?O200. Should have down that in the beginning.?

KR> Llink to KR Group on Facebook

[Randy Smith]

I really can't see a difference. I have had the opportunity to test fly 5 Kr's 
over the years ,3 with the winglets and 2 without and I did not see any 
difference at low speeds. 4 out of 5 had different engines so top speeds where 
different so it is hard to tell there. I can say with les KR even though it is 
heavy 925 lbs. it will cruise at 160 mph with an EJ22. it lands at a?little 
below 80 mph. I cross the fence about 80 or 85 and once the runway is under me 
I stopped looking at airspeed. I did not put them on mine even though les would 
have made them for me. I did add 18" to?each tip because I flew out of a grass 
strip of only 2100 feet. Getting out was ok, had to pay attention on getting 
in. No speed brakes just little flaps. 

On Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:39 PM, Paul-Visk via KRnet  wrote:


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KR> Type IV 2600 turbo

[Randy Smith]

There has been a jet engine on a KR many years ago. I believe he had enough 
fuel for a 30 minute flight. If I remember right he had the plane at the KR 
flying in Oklahoma. 


 On Friday, October 30, 2015 12:37 PM, Jeff Scott via KRnet  wrote:






> > I have a line on a turbine engine I think I want for the KR-2S 
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 

Now that should start lots of speculation on the forum!

-Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM

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KR> Cross-Country flying

[Randy Smith]

1 problem with a KR is where will you put the 12 inch N#s? (required on a US 
reg. plane) I don't know if on the top and bottom of wing is still good.?You 
need those to cross the ATTIS.?I had?18?Gals of fuel, 5 in each wing stub and?8 
in the header?tank. My bladder has a 3 hr timer on it. 


 On Saturday, October 10, 2015 7:57 PM, Paul VISK via KRnet  wrote:


 I'm designing mine for a 800 miles duration. ?If I get it that's ?another 
matter. ?I would like to fly from St Louis to Tampa non stop. Then work my way 
down the Caribbean islands. ?: )

?Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705

?Colin has pretty much flown around the globe in his...

http://www.kr2worldtour.com/photos/



> T
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KR> Cross-Country flying

[Randy Smith]

If you want a DEPENDABLE cross country put an 0200 in. You can cruise around 
160?to 170?mph. Mine would burn about 5 gph. It is not very big inside but by 
your self there is room. Add an autopilot if you?plane on traveling long. It 
was never easy looking at charts or Airport directories when needed especially 
going west.? I know I am going to catch a lot of flak for the engine choice but 
read past post on engine failures in the KR. I had?5 in VW,s 2 were hapi 
conversions and 1 in a C75,?Should have not put a metal blade on that one. If 
the folks in?Talhequal OK read this what happened to 197RS 


 On Saturday, October 10, 2015 3:58 PM, T. W. Norman via KRnet  wrote:




Good afternoon,



Can you guys give me some feedback about the viability of using the KR-2 as
a cross-country aircraft? Is it comfortable for just a single person? What
range are you guys seeing out of your actual aircraft?



Would I know it may not be what it was designed for, but for a single guy
like me, I'm looking at the option of using it as an extended transporter.



Also, what speeds could I expect with the traditional VW/Revmaster 2100
engine?



Thanks!



Trevor

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KR> Canopy/Seat

[Randy Smith]

Look on line for memory foam. After wading thru all the other things that came 
up I found memory foam at a good price. I can't find the receipt but it ran 
about $135. for enough to do 4 seats in my C310. 


 On Sunday, October 4, 2015 8:57 PM, Phillip Hill via KRnet  wrote:


 Trampoline fabric makes for a good sling seat.

On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:28 PM, peter via KRnet 
wrote:

> Memory foam is becoming universal. I find it in mattress toppers in the
> Goodwill aviation store. Pillows too. There are many grades of firmness.
> Put a layer of firm on the bottom, softest on top. Peter
>
>
>
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KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 128 KR for sale

[Randy Smith]

If anyone asked about the KR? That I have for sale and did not get an answer 
let me know. We think we got my computer to send out pictures again. Only 4 at 
a time.? Really want to move this plane. for those that asked I?live in Fort 
Worth Tx? Airport is T67 


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? 1. Re:? Ballast Weight Installation (Sid Wood)
? 2.? Weight and balance (dean choitz)
? 3. Re:? Weight and balance (Dave Acklam)
? 4. Re:? Weight and balance (CraigW)
? 5. Re:? Weight and balance (Flesner)
? 6.? Help In GA (bjoenunley)
? 7. Re:? Help In GA (Paul Visk)


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Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 19:47:10 -0400
From: "Sid Wood" 
To: 
Subject: Re: KR> Ballast Weight Installation
Message-ID: <43C9002FCC504CAE9A54D80E8B805211 at CORP55THINK>
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I had previously reported that I would need to add 49 pounds ballast at the 
engine area to meet my goal of moving the cg 3 inches forward on my KR-2 . 
I had reported some erroneous numbers for the weight and location of the 
elevator balance weight.? The correct numbers are 4.71 pounds with an arm of 
95 inches.? The nose ballast location is still 23 inches forward of the stub 
wing leading edge.? Doing the math: 4.71 x 95 / 23 = 19.45 pounds ballast. 
By removing the elevator balance weight with its mounting and bolts, I will 
not need that 19.45 pounds of ballast in the nose.
For the ELT move from the baggage shelf to the cockpit floor forward of the 
spar: The ELT with batteries and rack weighs 3.5 pound.? The arm at the 
baggage shelf is centered at 60 inches.? The new location is centered at 0 
inches arm.? No weight loss with moving the ELT, but the previously needed 
ballast would be 3.5 x 60 / 23 = 9.1 pounds, now no longer needed.
With the removal of the elevator balance weight and move of the ELT, the 
current ballast is now: 49 - 19.45 - 9.1 = 20.45 pounds.

A pound or two at long moment arms does make a big difference.

Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA






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Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 17:26:57 -0700
From: dean choitz 
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Subject: KR> Weight and balance
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KR> strobes

[Randy Smith]

Aircraft spruce has a diagram in there catalog that shows the requirements. I 
fly a lot in the evening and at night and I can tell you strobes make a bid 
difference. Some people say I never fly at night but sometimes it happens 
anyway.




 From: Jeff Scott 
To: KRnet  
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: KR> strobes


There are two goals in mounting strobes or a beacon on a plane. ?1) compliance, 
and 2) visibility. ?Personally, I care a lot more about #2 than #1. ?However, 
if you are never going to fly at night, compliance may be your only goal. 
?Daytime hours, strobes are one of the most useless things on a plane. ?They do 
about as much good as holding your bic lighter out there during daylight hours. 
?At twilight, strobes (or LED flashers) become highly effective to draw the eye 
to the plane. ?Most guys that fly daytime VFR only, will still be out there at 
Twilight, which is when planes are difficult to see and Strobes/lights really 
come into their own. ?Since I do fly during twilight hours, and sometimes at 
night, I chose to go with a standard Whelen Aircraft Light and strobe package 
for high visibility. ?As Larry pointed out, it wasn't cheap, but I wanted high 
visibility. ?One may note that the actual aircraft tip lights may accept an 
1156 12 V bulb, an
 actual aircraft lamp is a bit higher intensity with a reflector built in 
inside the bulb.

I do like the tailights integrated with the strobe and tip light as it draws 
your eye directly to the lights for easy visual tracking. ?I use a single 
alternating flash between the tips. ?I tried a quad flash power supply, but the 
uneven high power draw was causing problems for my old 20 amp DC generator. ?I 
used the quad flash power supply in my SuperCub instead and went back to my 
alternating single flash power supply in the KR.

Bare in mind that my KR has been flying for 17 years now and I bought the 
strobe package 19 years ago. ?LED lighting didn't exist 17 years ago. ?If it 
did, that's what I would have bought. ?The only reason I went with the strobe 
type lighting on my SuperCub project is that the quad flash strobe power supply 
just fell into my lap for nothing.

Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM



> - Original Message -
> From: flesner at frontier.com
> Sent: 04/13/14 07:58 AM
> To: kr2s at mtnguy.com, KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> strobes
> 
> At 08:30 AM 4/13/2014, you wrote:
> >The leds can be seen 180 degrees if surface mounted.
> +++
> 
> I think you need 360 degree coverage plus some vertical angle. You 
> may have to mount several of them to get the required coverage and 
> for your safety in order to be seen. After all, that's what it's all 
> about, don't run over me.
> 
> Larry Flesner 

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KR> elect. artificial horizon

[Randy Smith]

You will have to send it to a shop and have them reset the Angle. I had one 
rebuilt and they set the wrong angle and it started to wear the face off .It 
was rubbing on the glass.

--- On Mon, 4/25/11, Larry Flesner  wrote:


From: Larry Flesner 
Subject: Re: KR> elect. artificial horizon
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Monday, April 25, 2011, 5:01 PM


At 12:20 PM 4/25/2011, you wrote:
>In an 8 degree instrument, the gyro is mounted 8 degrees off the 
>horizon and the horizon is centered in the instrument at an 8 degree 
>tilt to compensate for the tilt of the panel.
++

Now I'm wondering if the 8 degree tilt and the face alignment wasn't 
what the owner was noticing and thought it was acting funny.  I've 
been in that RV twice and don't recall the panel being tilted.  If it 
will function o.k. in a vertical panel that's all I need.  I'm really 
just looking for a "wings level" indicator or something to help me 
make a shallow 180 degree turn if I ever need it  I already have an 
electric T and only run it maybe 5 percent of my flight time.

Thanks

Larry Flesner


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KR> Re: Tri gear tail first on runway.

[Randy Smith]

I am not an engineer but I always understood if there is not enough air across 
the wing it is stalled. so what does the angle have to do with no air across 
the wing? I know if you pull up and block the top of the wing it will stall. I 
have stalled the wing at 105 mph and the tail at 115 mph. For your information 
it was not on purpose and I do not suggest it. The wing stall did not do much I 
just let it fall off on one side and after the second spin I pulled it out. The 
tail stall scared the  out of my wife and I and she said not to do that 
ever again, Like I would.

--- On Wed, 4/6/11, Virgil N. Salisbury  wrote:


From: Virgil N. Salisbury 
Subject: Re: KR> Re: Tri gear tail first on runway.
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 12:29 PM


    Full stall requires ~13 Degrees Angle of Attack. What is your AOA
    sitting on the ground ? If it is less than~13 Degrees, Then full stall 
is NOT
    possible. As Larry says" you are at the SLOWEST A/S possible
    for landing ", Virg

    On 4/6/2011 4:37 AM, phillip matheson wrote:
> Very true statement Larry. I have slammed my tail on the runway more than
> once and the tie down ring on my tail bears the wear to attest to the fact.
> ---
>
> Strange.
>
> I have 335 hours on my KR2 tricycle, and NEVER hit the tail.
>
> I can stall onto the runway, or drop the mains on the runway at 35 to 40
> kts.
>
> Phil Matheson
> SAAA Ch 37
> http://www.philskr2.50megs.com/
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KR> Why No Retractable Landing Gear on KRs Anymore?

[Randy Smith]

I can tell you after 600+ hrs on 1 of the first KR2 streached before it was 
called an S I made full stall landing all the time. My gear was a Deil with 3" 
added and after about 2000 hrs tail wheel time, (I also own a 47 Bellanca 
Cruiseair) I land full stall and my tailwheel will hit first every time if I do 
it right. If the tailwheel hits a secound or 2 first it will help straighten 
the plane out if you are a little sideways. I also have time in a # of other 
tailwheel planes and I treat them all the same. Don't get into landing on the 
mains in a cross wind. I land tail first ALL the time and have not had a full 
groung loop yet.

--- On Tue, 4/5/11, Larry Flesner  wrote:


From: Larry Flesner 
Subject: Re: KR> Why No Retractable Landing Gear on KRs Anymore?
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 8:22 PM


At 12:17 PM 4/5/2011, you wrote:
>The plans for the KR-2 I have seen have a retract system. I have got the
>impression that they have fallen out of favour. Is it just too much hassle or
>are the castings not available anymore?
++

Several reasons have already been posted as to why builders are going 
to fixed gear.  In additional to the original gear being unreliable, 
the fixed gear is several miles per hour faster and lighter by 
several pounds.  I firmly believe there is not a KR out there that 
can make a "full stall - three point landing without the tail 
touching first.  Even a KR2S tri-gear on Diehl gear will probably 
touch the tail without fully stalling the wing.  I had a tri-gear 
pilot attest to that fact on one occasion while discussing full stall 
landings.

Larry Flesner


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KR> Kr pilot Salute flight

[Randy Smith]

The one thing most people don,t tell you about a KR  is put your arm on your 
leg or some thing that does not move and just move your wrist. I had 125 hrs, 
10 hrs tail wheel in a PA12. before I flew my KR. I would take someone flying 
and let them fly for about 5 minutes or until I would start to get sick. Then I 
would show them about bracing the arm and all would settle down.  Some folks 
feel they need a long stick, Keep it short. Fly an RV tail wheel and they are 
just about the same. On landing if the wheels are properly aligned it will go 
straight done the runway almost by itself.  I have had the opportunity to test 
fly 4 KR's and it worked with all 4. Have fun try it again. If there are 2 of 
you in the plane you are properly real close to aft CG anyway. 

--- On Sun, 2/27/11, Andy Mckevitz  wrote:


From: Andy Mckevitz 
Subject: KR> Kr pilot Salute flight
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, February 27, 2011, 9:40 AM


After flying 2 kr2 planes last week, one of which is an 'S' model, I have 
concluded that I need to be a better pilot.  Until I flew one, I had no idea 
how difficult it is.  I'm an infant 300hr pilot, commercial, IFR, aerobatics, 
high performance and tailwheel endorsed.  It took me 45min at altitude to 
control pitch sensitivity to where I completely stopped the oscillations in 
climbs decents and turns enough to be comfortable and satisfied to fly the 
plane and not the reverse.  Keep in mind the closest thing that I've put time 
in close to a kr is a decathalon, and I am confortable in that.  After 2hrs I 
felt okay to touch ground effect with the kr and progressively brought myself 
to touch and go.  My problem is that I only have about ten hours of tailwheel 
time, and that needs expansion before I fly a kr again.  Yes, both that I flew 
where taildraggers.  I do feel comfortable soloing a kr, allbeit at a 150' wide 
runway, not my 35' wide paved
 airpark strip
with side obstacles where I call home.  This could improve with time, however, 
I have elected to build a couple hundred hours of 'other' tailwheel plane time 
before trying this again. 

Kr's have a special place with me as there is nothing like it.  The Kr grin, 
right!  A tailwind pilot told me that if I landed a kr, I can land just about 
anything.  Its without a doubt in my mind that if you fly a kr2 from no mods to 
full mods, you are among the best... and that means those bonanza pilots better 
keep quiet! haha

Salute!

Andy 


      

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KR> powdercoating parts

[Randy Smith]

I am not sure about weight. A friend is in the business and I work on his A/C 
units. I have to move the boxes of color when I do and the box is about 12x12 
and seems lighter than a can of paint. Powder coat is just basically small 
plastic balls

--- On Wed, 1/19/11, mylittle...@yahoo.com  wrote:


From: mylittle...@yahoo.com 
Subject: Re: KR> powdercoating parts
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 8:23 PM


Yes and no powder coat is heavier then paint but because of less processes it 
is lighter then painting if the painting is done right. No primer needed for 
powder coat.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Dan Heath" 
Sender: krnet-boun...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 21:19:14 
To: 'KRnet'
Reply-To: KRnet 
Subject: RE: KR> powdercoating parts

I have heard that Powder Coat is significantly heavier than paint.  Is that
true?

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2011 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
There is a time for building and it never seems to end.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC



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KR> powdercoating parts

[Randy Smith]

I had my engine mount and retractable gear legs on my 47 Bellanca Cruiseair 
powder coated when I restored the plane in 2000. I was told that cracks would 
not show by some but the APIA I used said it was alright. A year ago I had oil 
on the floor below my gear. I pulled the gear and with no trouble found the 
gear cracked at the top. Cleaned it off welded it and had the gear powder 
coated again.

--- On Wed, 1/19/11, Mark  wrote:


From: Mark 
Subject: RE: KR> powder coating parts
To: "'KRnet'" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 6:57 PM


My recommendation would be to magnaflux your components before powder
coating. Most powder coating materials that I have used are thin enough and
brittle enough that you will have cosmetic issues with the powder coating if
you have stress cracks or excessive deflection. Motorcycle frames, drag car
(funny and top fuel) frames are frequently powder coated because it takes a
lot of chemical abuse, looks good, and doesn't have the inherent process
induced stresses caused by electroplating (think chrome).

Another el-cheapo powder coating system is to find a used commercial gas
oven and vent it properly; better and more uniform temperature control as
well. With the right oven, you could even powder coat an engine mount.

Mark W.
N952MW (res)

-Original Message-
From: krnet-bounces+markwegmet=charter@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+markwegmet=charter@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Tony
King
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 6:03 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> powdercoating parts

I've been told (by someone who seems to know what he's talking about but may
not be an authority) that powder coating is not a good idea for structural
parts because cracks, particularly around welds, may be hidden by the powder
coating.  Can anyone shed some light on this?

Tony King
Queensland Australia

On 19 January 2011 08:55, Craig Williams  wrote:

> Anyone else built an el-cheapo powdercoat system.  I love mine.
>
> http://www.kr2seafury.com/2.html
>
> Craig
> www.kr2seafury.com
>
>
>
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KR> To Turbo or not to Turbo that is the Question

[Randy Smith]

I had this prop on an VW 2100  and and the bigger version on the Sub 81. The 
small prop hit a wall at 140 mph. The Sub did not have enough HP to spine the 
big 1. The RV guys tried the large one and a couple of them lost blades and 
crashed. The folks at Ivo were VERY nice about taking the small one back. I did 
not buy the big one direct from them. I know if you tell them it is going on a 
KR with a VW they will not sell it to you.

--- On Tue, 1/4/11, Jose Fuentes  wrote:


From: Jose Fuentes 
Subject: Re: KR> To Turbo or not to Turbo that is the Question
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 9:35 AM


That's very true, it does make sense to have in in-flight adjustable prop.
That way it can be adjusted, it's a good point.

I've seen this one as a thought but heard a few bad things about it, but the
bad things were based on years ago issues, would a company still sell
something if they hadn't worked out those issues (maybe I'm naive)?
http://www.ivoprop.com/inflightmediummodel.htm

Though not your standard type adjustable prop but lighter maybe?

Anyways good point and another item to think about when going turbo.

Joe
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:22 AM, Dene Collett  wrote:

> Guys
> John Finlay mentions the addition of an in-flight adjustable prop to use in
> conjunction with your turbo.
> The way I understand it, the motor that has a turbo with the waist gate set
> to X manifold pressure will produce Y power regardless of it's altitude (at
> a fixed throttle setting). How do you prevent over revving the motor at
> altitude and still use the extra power that the turbo produces without an
> in-flight adjustible prop? Sure you could set the manifold pressure lower
> or
> run at a lower throttle setting but that negates using the turbo in the
> first place
> To me, using a turbo without an in-flight adjustable prop is not worth the
> effort and expense. Am I missing something?
>
> Regards
> Dene Collett
> Avlec Projects cc
> Port Elizabeth
> South Africa
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jon Finley" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 6:47 PM
> Subject: RE: KR> To Turbo or not to Turbo that is the Question
>
>
> 5. Allows you to add all sorts of new things to your wish list (oxygen
> system, in-flight adjustable prop, electrically heated seats, etc...).
>
>  Jon Finley
> N314JF - Q2 - Subaru EJ-22
>
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-- 
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Group
Former Microsoft MVP
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KR> Items needed

[Randy Smith]

I have a Subaru Firewall forword for a KR. It came out of Bud Wilsons KR-2. 
There is no prop or spinner. Make an ofer. I am just north of Dallas Texas at a 
field called 30F

--- On Sun, 11/28/10, Jose Fuentes  wrote:


From: Jose Fuentes 
Subject: KR> Items needed
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 10:57 PM


Wondering if anyone has any of the following for sale for a KR2:

Tri Gear mains and nose gear
Motor (tell me what you have)
Motor Mount
Prop

Thanks

Joe

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Founding Father (one of and former Vice Prez) of Capital City.NET User's
Group
Former Microsoft MVP
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KR> Intro of my self

[Randy Smith]

I have noticed you have made this comment a few times over the years.  Here is 
a simple scenario. I left Fort Worth going to Sun and Fun, Planed stop in 
Mississippi then North Florida.  Left out at 0700 weather moved into 
Mississippi. Stopped in Louisiana and fueled,Climbed on top (not very high 
5500') 4 hrs later landing at Zefferhills. If you do any traveling there will 
be times that extra fuel will come in handy. I put 800 hrs on my KR before I 
sold it and 510 was all cross country . For me I only show cross country when 
the trip is 3 hrs 1 way. Most my trips are 3 hr legs but sometimes you need 
more.
 
  --- On Tue, 11/2/10, Virgil N. Salisbury  wrote:


From: Virgil N. Salisbury 
Subject: Re: KR> Intro of my self
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2010, 10:19 AM


     13 Gal is 2/3 Hours flying. How much air time do you need ?
     FLY don't fix, Virg


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KR> dumb KR stuff

[Randy Smith]

I had my Transponder antenna inside my fuselage behind the seat. When the plane 
was facing the ATC antenna they could not receive the Transponder, When I 
changed my heading they would receive it. I left it there for about 6 months 
and 3 cross country trips ( Florida, New Mexico, Illinois all from Texas)  and 
when I returned I put it back under the plane. All I could figure was the 
engine got in the way of the signal.

--- On Mon, 9/13/10, Mark Langford  wrote:


From: Mark Langford 
Subject: KR> dumb KR stuff
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 7:57 PM


Several of us talked about doing a forum on "KR hints and other stuff" at the 
Gathering, but somehow we never got around to doing it.  So I'll throw this out 
and encourage others to share a tidbit or two of knowledge they've arrived at 
during their building and/or flying KRs.

One really dumb thing I did was locate my transponder antenna on the bottom of 
my plane.  I'm not sure what I was thinking there, as it just hangs out in the 
breeze collecting oil and exhaust, and it could be just as easily mounted 
INSIDE the fuselage and work just fine.  It is possible for oil on the antenna 
to change the characteristics such that the antenna is not as well matched to 
the transponder (SWR), degrading performance and potentially damaging the 
transponder.  At least that's what a local EE and avionics whiz told me after 
my first transponder mysteriously croaked.  Inside the fuselage makes a lot 
more sense, and that's where I put it this afternoon.  It took about 15 minutes 
to move it.

One more tidbit that may save your airplane from total destruction is 
this...while at Corvair Wings and Wheels a few years ago I noticed my seat had 
a 6" "cut" in it.  Closer examination showed the thing was burned.  I deduced 
that the sun had done it by way of the canopy, but couldn't reproduce it.  Last 
year I noticed a charred place on the glare shield...still couldn't figure out 
the exact mechanism.  Last weekend at my father's farm I landed and flipped 
open the canopy, then started smelling smoke about a minute later.  I noticed a 
super bright patch of sunlight on the glare shield, and the paint was smoking!  
 It turns out the canopy isn't acting like a magnifying glass, but as a 
parabolic reflector instead.  If the canopy is open on a dry clear day, and the 
sun is low enough to be shining in the back side of the canopy, it can be 
focused into a spot about the size of a dime and set something on fire!  So be 
forewarned...don't leave your
 forward tilting canopy open with the inside facing the sun.  See 
http://www.n56ml.com/misc/100912275sm.jpg for a photo of previous charring 
damage and the "sun spot".  The charred spot could easily have become a burning 
KR, but apparently I closed the canopy before it spontaneously combusted.  This 
all points out why using aviation-certified construction materials would be a 
stellar idea...

Mark Langford
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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KR> KR-2 Center Spar Inspection

[Randy Smith]

There is no requirement for any inspections except for when it is time to fly. 
Some will have an EAA tech look at there progress some don't. If you are 
worried about the spar you might want to start over with a fresh kit.

--- On Mon, 8/2/10, Glenn Martin  wrote:


From: Glenn Martin 
Subject: Re: KR> KR-2 Center Spar Inspection
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 7:08 AM


Are you a member of the EAA?  If you are, contact your local EAA tech 
counselor and see what he recommends. If you are NOT a member of the 
EAA, then Join. Its far too valuable a resource not to be a member of it.

Glenn Martin
KR2 N1333A
Biloxi, MS
rep...@martekmississippi.com

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KR> Oshkosh weather

[Randy Smith]

Go to Avweb they have updates all day. It looks like all is closed right now. 
still to wet.

--- On Sun, 7/25/10, Larry  wrote:


From: Larry 
Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh weather
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, July 25, 2010, 8:43 AM


Mark told me he should be landing here at Oshkosh by 3 pm Sunday afternoon. 
Will give updates later.
Larry H

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2010, at 7:08 AM, Larry Flesner  wrote:

> At 06:18 AM 7/25/2010, you wrote:
>> Hopefully Mark Landford made it to SD for the race? Not sure the 
>> weather yesterday way favorable for him to get there?
>> 
>> Rob Schmitt
> +++
> 
> I'm guessing Mark made it to race start.  I got a text message from a 
> local fellow racer (Q-200 / race #22) that he was eating supper with 
> Mark.  I hope the weather doesn't mess things up too bad for the fly-in.
> 
> Larry Flesner
> 
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KR> 0200A starter Motor

[Randy Smith]

I removed a VW and installed an O-200 The weight was almost the same, The 
performance was great. The plane has been in storage and not registered since I 
sold it.I sure miss that little thing, It weighed in at 575 with the O-200. I 
understand it is somewhere around Tahlequah Okla. For those that had not seen 
197 RS it was not as fast as most. The original builder of the Fuselage did not 
come off the top of the canopy but off the bottom. It created to much drag. He 
did not plan on the plane flying again so he destroyed the wings rudder 
elevator and cowling. The fuselage still saved me MANY hours of work.
 
 

--- On Sun, 7/11/10, phillip matheson  wrote:




Also the tail wheel main position.
I still have not decided to have tail wheel or nose.

What do you think with a heaver 0200 up front and the W?

KR> Trailering

[Randy Smith]

I towed my KR-2 about 8 times on a single axle trailer when it broke down 
around the country. From as far as Florida to Dallas and Missouri to Dallas and 
never had a problem with a mount. Just the engine. I always pulled it facing 
forward to keep the weight on the tongue 

--- On Thu, 7/15/10, ol' weirdo  wrote:


From: ol' weirdo 
Subject: Re: KR> Trailering
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 6:02 PM


And if you are railering, remove the engine. Its mass boucing over the road
will destroy the engine mount.

Bill Weir

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Ronald Wright  wrote:

> In a lot of cases they are putting the engine weight over the wheels
> instead of forward on the vehicle hitch.  Another reason is not being able
> to get the main gear over the trailer wheel wells..  They trailer either way
> just fine..
>
> Ron
>
> --- On Thu, 7/15/10, Larry Ragan  wrote:
>
> > From: Larry Ragan 
> > Subject: KR> Trailering
> > To: kr...@mylist.net
> > Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 8:21 AM
>  >
> > I've seen projects being trailered and a lot of the time
> > they are being towed tail first.  Is there any special
> > reason or advantage to doing it this way?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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KR> Aerocarb

[Randy Smith]

Go by you a zenith carb, Great plains sells them also shops that sell parts for 
gas welders and generators sell them and be done with it. After 2 months of 
messing around with mine I bought 1 from great plains and never looked back. I 
had 3 Posa carbs 2 made good book ends., 1 I gave away.
--- On Wed, 5/19/10, Hall, Rodney CTR NNSY, C210  
wrote:


From: Hall, Rodney CTR NNSY, C210 
Subject: RE: KR> Aerocarb
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 7:13 AM


I was just reading an article the other day in an old sport aviation
about setting up the posa. You might want to search the Sport Aviation
archives on www.eaa.org it seemed a very good article and apparently you
need to set up the high speed first then switch out the needles to find
the best overall idle and low speed operation. I think it was in a feb
82 sport aviation but I am not sure.

Rodney Hall 

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of Mark Langford
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 1:04
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Aerocarb

Larry Knox wrote:

> Mark, I didn't get any response back on my Question about setting up 
> and operating the posy type aerovee Carb on my Corvair. Are you 
> running this Carb or know someone that does. Thanks, 
> la...@lebanair.com

Joe Horton is running an Aerocarb.  I'm sure he'll chime in when he gets
a chance, but basically it does work and once properly adjusted, tends
to stay that way.  I do know that they don't appreciate fuel pump
pressure, and prefer gravity feed instead.  There should be plenty of
info in the CorvAircraft archives (see
ttp://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/index.jsp  ), using the keyword
"Aerocarb".

Mark Langford
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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KR> Fw: First Flight - N774A

[Randy Smith]

I wounder why people get involve with something like your landing. As a few 
might remember I have lost 4 VW engines and a Con 85all in a KR. Have landed 
twice in a pasture ( Missouri and Florida) once in a lake and twice  made it to 
an airport.  It seemed there was always someone that would call the FAA. When I 
called them and told them it was an experimental with an experimental engine 
first thing they asked was anyone injured and second was how much damage. First 
answer was no second was not much. They would say have a good day and be 
careful. This was from a couple of different FAA areas. ( Florida Missouri 
Texas)  P.S I do not blame the engines just the engine builder. It only takes 
one mistake on an engine turning 3400 rpm all day to make it a bad day. Glade 
the wings come off, plane came home  in good shape every time.

--- On Fri, 4/16/10, Mark Langford  wrote:


From: Mark Langford 
Subject: KR> Fw: First Flight - N774A
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 9:01 PM


From: Brad Ankerstar
To: KRnet
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:12 PM
Subject: First Flight - N774A

Today was not supposed to be the day, but it was.  N774A inadvertently left
the ground at Butler County Regional (HAO), Ohio.  Wind was 5-7 knots right
down runway 11.  After a brief attempt to put it back down, it became
apparent that was not a good idea.  I made one wobbly pass around the
pattern and set up an approach, but I thought I was too fast, so I just
continued my low pass and returned to pattern altitude.  I was going to take
another shot at it but my KR pilot on the ground suggested I get some
altitude, above the airport and feel it out a little.  So I went up to
2500-3000 and orbited the runway for about 40 minutes.
I didn?t really have that Yeeaaahhh moment but I could see the
potential.  Upon reflection, it was pretty exciting.  I was way out of my
comfort zone on this unplanned adventure so I didn?t really enjoy it as much
as I should, after 35 years of working and dreaming.  The guys on the ground
said it looked like it flew great and sounded awesome.  I was glad to hear
that, but after the landing, it may be irrelevant.  The landing was
marginally successful.  I was able to climb out and walk away.  N774A will
need new shoes, among other things.  The standard retracts will probably be
replaced with training wheels, provided a close inspection doesn?t find some
serious damage that is not visible now.
Once I get it off the trailer and on a couple saw horses I can find out how
bad it is.  We had it off the runway and back in the hangar in less than 30
minutes.  EAA guys are great!  Then I got to spend a couple hours with some
nice State Troopers and folks from the FAA.  The young man working at the
airport is the son of the FAA safety inspector who checked out the ?hard
landing/crash?.
Assuming I don?t find additional serious damage, I will probably be in the
market for a set of Diehl tricycle gear or maybe a project with that gear
set up.

Brad Ankerstar, SW Ohio
            N774A, KR2R 


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KR> Wheel woes

[Randy Smith]

Look at just about every plane out there. They have split rims. The tire has to 
fit tighter than on a car because the wheel goes from 0 to 80 mph in a split 
second. If they were not tight the tire would spin on the rim. That is why they 
are not made to be pulled over a rim like a car. 

--- On Fri, 4/16/10, Dan Heath  wrote:


From: Dan Heath 
Subject: KR> Wheel woes
To: "'KRnet'" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 4:58 PM


I got my new bearings today, and putting them in was fairly easy.  At first
they did not fit the axle, even they measured as though they should.  A
little buffing with some 220 solved that problem.  



However, I tried the Clorox bottle and the light cardboard and neither would
work.  In fact, I still ended up pinching a hole in the tube.  So I have 3
tubes left and if I go through those, I will have to go to some different
wheels.  This is insane.  Why would anyone ever design a wheel like this, to
go on an airplane, setting everyone up for failure from the start.  I am up
to four tubes shot, now.



I should be flying, instead, I am screwing around with something that should
be a no-brainer task.



Daniel R. Heath

da...@windstream.net

See N64KR at   http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
the pics 

See you at the 2010 - KR Gathering in Richmond, Ky - I39







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KR> tri gear and taildragger update.......

[Randy Smith]

It is surprising how many people do not land 3 point I had over 600 hrs on my 
KR before I sold it and I bet 95% of the landings where 3 point. I have a 47 
Bellanca that all my landings are 3 point.
I believe it is what you are comfortable with. 
--- On Sat, 3/27/10, Lee Van Dyke  wrote:


From: Lee Van Dyke 
Subject: Re: KR> tri gear and taildragger update...
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:37 PM


I have a taildragger, and I have landed in a 3 point twice, I said that I 
would never do that again until last SAT,,, I will say it again, I will 
never do that again.  period.  I have to fly a tric gear tommorow and I just 
wanted to know what to look for.  THANK YOU JIM SELLERS.  and Mark Jones you 
are just wrong on so many levels.  The biggest thing that I have noticed is 
taxiing.  with a tail wheel you can steer.  Now that the brakes have been 
bled and work better, so is my taxiing.  I have to learn how to T/O and land 
this plane and deliver it to MN.  all in that same weekend.

Thank you for all the input.

Lee Van Dyke


- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 10:42 PM
Subject: KR> tri gear and taildragger

KR> tri gear and taildragger

[Randy Smith]

And I bet it made him feel good too.  Answer 1 question why put a nosegear on 
it?   (makes it easier to land , A Kids plane)

--- On Sat, 3/27/10, Mark Jones  wrote:


From: Mark Jones 
Subject: Re: KR> tri gear and taildragger
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 9:50 AM


>One's a "real man's" airplane and the other has a training wheel on
>the front..

Bullcrap ! You guys crack me up. I seen a dog doing a little 
taildragging the other day.


Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI
E-mail: flyk...@charter.net
Web: www.flykr2s.com



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KR> Wood Engine Spacers

[Randy Smith]

That engine catches fire and your wood motor mounts will be the the last thing 
you worry about. Think about it you are in a wood plane with fiberglass cowl 
with fire coming out from underneath. In a certified plane your odds of making 
it to the ground is slime. I don't mean to sound gruesome but be real

--- On Mon, 2/15/10, Fred Johnson  wrote:


From: Fred Johnson 
Subject: RE: KR> Wood Engine Spacers
To: lt1corve...@earthlink.net, "'KRnet'" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 10:49 AM


I have a question and maybe someone might be smarter than me that can
explain it (ok almost everyone is smarter than me:) )

In the construction industry every "engineered component" must undergo fire
rating tests and certain assemblies, I.E; floor joist with subfloor and with
or without a ceiling, yada, yada, yada. All of them must withstand a minimum
of 20 minutes of direct flame and over an hour of extreme heat per ASTM
standards.

In the wood truss market, like I am in, nearly all the info you can find
states that wood will char thus insulating the underlying wood allowing it
to with stand a burning building much longer than a steel structure. That is
why most steel joist in office building must be sprayed with an insulator as
the steel loses it's strength rapidly when exposed to flame and heat. I
would think aluminum with a melting point of only 1100 degrees would fair
even worse as it would take much heat for it to lose it's strength.

So my question is, wouldn't wood actually be a logical choice? Granted would
doesn't do well in oil or gas, but with concern to fire?

Just a thought?

I wonder how many actual engine mounts have failed do to fire thou also?

Fred Johnson
Reno, NV



Neal wrote:
] 

Although I replied to Eric personally, I want to assure anyone else who may
have noticed that yes, those "were" wood spacers between the engine mount
and the firewall.  However, since those pictures were taken, the spacers
have been replaced with aluminum spacers of 2 1/2" diameter by 2" thick.
They were made from solid round aluminum rod drilled for the proper bolt
size.  When I put the original wood ones in I wasn't thinking of the
potential danger of an engine fire and the possibility of destroying them if
there was one.  Since then, I've grown wiser thanks to all of the
construction instruction that's available on this web site.  All of those
who contribute to this site are to be thanked for all of the helpful
information that they provide.    



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KR> kr video

[Randy Smith]

He was going so fast he lost a wheel pant on take off.

--- On Thu, 2/11/10, phil brookman  wrote:


From: phil brookman 
Subject: KR> kr video
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 10:39 AM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLwLuqy-I2I

some kr video  1835 vw 
enjoy 
phill brookman





From: Lee Van Dyke 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Thu, February 11, 2010 3:11:54 PM
Subject: KR> kr crash

Sorry to post this to the net,

But the Craig from CO, who crashed at the gathering can you give me a call.

Lee Van Dyke

Mesa AZ
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KR> another non-sunset flight picture

[Randy Smith]

That is suppose to be AMATEUR but I guess we really have not grown up yet so it 
could be immature

--- On Mon, 2/1/10, Randy Smith <crz...@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Randy Smith <crz...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: KR> another non-sunset flight picture
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 8:08 AM


Don't tell the KR I have down stairs what its VNE is. I have been to 235 with a 
EJ 22 150 hp on my KR. I plan on racing the plane this year. There is an 
immature group holding races around the country and I am going to try and 
enter. You race against time.
With my planes if you pull inside static it will only give you about 5 mph 
higher indication. When I have certain people riding I will reach over and pull 
my standby source and then point out the airspeed. I pull standby source about 
once a month just to make sure they are working.

--- On Mon, 2/1/10, Oscar Zuniga <taildr...@hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Oscar Zuniga <taildr...@hotmail.com>
Subject: KR> another non-sunset flight picture
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 7:55 AM


NX41CC

Flying Squirrel N2069Z
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildr...@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net



              
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KR> another non-sunset flight picture

[Randy Smith]

Don't tell the KR I have down stairs what its VNE is. I have been to 235 with a 
EJ 22 150 hp on my KR. I plan on racing the plane this year. There is an 
immature group holding races around the country and I am going to try and 
enter. You race against time.
With my planes if you pull inside static it will only give you about 5 mph 
higher indication. When I have certain people riding I will reach over and pull 
my standby source and then point out the airspeed. I pull standby source about 
once a month just to make sure they are working.

--- On Mon, 2/1/10, Oscar Zuniga  wrote:


From: Oscar Zuniga 
Subject: KR> another non-sunset flight picture
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 7:55 AM



Mark; I scrolled down through your sunset pictures and found an error that 
needs to be corrected.  Caption for the 9th picture down, you state that you 
hit 235 MPH.  Now I know this is pure BS because at that time your ASI was 
reading incorrectly due to a disconnected static port tube.  Besides that, the 
Rand-Robinson website clearly states that the maximum speed for a KR-2S is 200 
MPH, here: http://www.fly-kr.com/kr2s.htm .  If you fly one faster than that, 
you are endangering your life as well as the lives of others and I think you 
are having way too much fun flying anyway.



I think your next project should be restoring a vintage steamroller like an 8HP 
1913 Aveling & Porter from Manchester, England.  They travel at a much more 
sedate pace ;o)

Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC

Flying Squirrel N2069Z
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildr...@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net



              
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KR> light stick forces

[Randy Smith]

I own a 14-13-2 Bellanca and it handles like a sports car I have a 17-30A 
Bellanca and it handles like a mack truck. The only thing I have flown that was 
like my KR was a RV-4 And A RV-6. I have Les Palmer's KR and it is just like an 
RV-4. But it also weights in at 900 +
 

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, J M  wrote:


From: J M 
Subject: KR> light stick forces
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 3:10 PM



I am just curious.  Has anyone ever flown a plane that has lighter stick
forces than a KR, fly by wire does not count???


The 1940 Bellanca with a stick (14-12  I think) had very light forces.  
A friend of mine who had flown in the Battle of Briton and later with  
the US Navy in the Pacific and even later in P51s with the USAF flew  
mine and said it had a roll rate that equaled anything he had ever  
climbed into. He may have been biased though as he just loved  
Bellanca's. The '46 '47   (14-13) with a wheel was also flown with just  
the finger tips.  However, the next generation had much heavier  
controls. Most first time Bellanca pilots flying those earlier models  
that had a Cessna background usually found themselves suddenly  20  
feet or better above the runway  the first time they tried to flair  
out.  If you know of one on your airfield try to get a ride in it.  It  
is a tail dragger but once you get use to it you can land it almost  
anywhere and under almost any conditions. The next generation with the  
Lycoming  engine and the hydraulic operated gear had a very heavy feel.

John   (Tucson AZ)
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KR> New Subscriber KR1

[Randy Smith]

yes. I bought Marine grade

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Edward Spyker <jes...@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Edward Spyker <jes...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: KR> New Subscriber KR1
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 11:57 AM


Thank you, I think that I found one on Google Maps. Was it this company?
Plywood & Door Mfr. (214) 631-8458




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Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 8:22:21 AM
Subject: Re: KR> New Subscriber KR1

I will try to find the name of a plywood supplier in Dallas. They are off of 
Irving blvd. I live in the area and had bought from them a while back. They 
carried all grades and sizes of high quality plywoods a few years ago.

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Edward Spyker <jes...@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Edward Spyker <jes...@yahoo.com>
Subject: KR> New Subscriber KR1
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 8:55 PM


Hello KRnetters,
I have spent the day scanning through and searching the archives, but have not 
found the answer.
Can 1/4" 5ply A-B Grade Fir Marine plywood be used for the firewall?
I have recently purchased plans and spruce sticks to build a KR1 and hope to 
find a local supplier, Dallas/Fort Worth, of plywood. I  hoped that if there 
were a supplier in this huge urban sprawl I might get full sheets, not have so 
many scarf joints and save shipping costs. No joy so far all I have found is 
the fir.

Thanks, Edward


      
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3200 Irving Boulevard
Dallas, TX 75247-6007
http://www.pdusa.com/


      
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KR> New Subscriber KR1

[Randy Smith]

I will try to find the name of a plywood supplier in Dallas. They are off of 
Irving blvd. I live in the area and had bought from them a while back. They 
carried all grades and sizes of high quality plywoods a few years ago.

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Edward Spyker  wrote:


From: Edward Spyker 
Subject: KR> New Subscriber KR1
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 8:55 PM


Hello KRnetters,
I have spent the day scanning through and searching the archives, but have not 
found the answer.
Can 1/4" 5ply A-B Grade Fir Marine plywood be used for the firewall?
I have recently purchased plans and spruce sticks to build a KR1 and hope to 
find a local supplier, Dallas/Fort Worth, of plywood. I  hoped that if there 
were a supplier in this huge urban sprawl I might get full sheets, not have so 
many scarf joints and save shipping costs. No joy so far all I have found is 
the fir.

Thanks, Edward


      
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KR> Neil's article

[Randy Smith]

I test flew Dennis Pointers KR. It had a 2180 with Dan Deils turbo he pulled 
off old blue. I hit 200+ on the third flight. I believed the weight came in at 
625 lbs. When I sold Neils KR it had 4 different engines by then. I started 
with an 1835, then a 2180 then a Continental 85  and finely an O200. Empty 
weight started at 495 lbs and ended up at 590. No starter, alt. or any other 
accessory. I used a solar charger in the back window to keep a battery up.
 

--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Mark Langford  wrote:


From: Mark Langford 
Subject: Re: KR> Neil's article
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 7:54 AM


Dan Heath wrote:

> Now, I am really having to give more thought to adding another 80+ pounds 
> for the
> Corvair engine that Roy is building for me?

Dan, first off, I think it's probably only about 60 pounds rather than 80, 
because the Corvair with everything firewall forwarded needed to fly (except 
the mount and prop) is only about 245-250 pounds.  It'd be interesting to 
hear that number for your VW when you remove it. But if you get 50% more 
power in an airplane by only adding 10% more weight, I don't see how you 
could go wrong, other than fuel a slight increase in consumption (given the 
same speed).

Maybe I have no credibility saying this, as I've never owned a lightweight 
KR with a VW engine in it, but I think having all that power of a Corvair 
out front makes the KR a LOT of fun!  The extra power you get, as well as 
the safety of 6 cylinders, makes up for a lot of sins in the weight 
department.  To me the engine weight isn't a factor when talking about 
fun-weight-ratio of having lots more power, whether it's from a Corvair or 
something else. That's one of the few things I disagree with in that 
article.  My guess is that Neil never flew behind a Corvair either.

Having said that, Roy Marsh could do 191 mph on a turbo VW.  I'd have to dig 
up that article to see what his empty weight was...

Mark Langford
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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KR> New Sport Aviation Look

[Randy Smith]

I rebuilt Neil's KR in 94 and changed the n# to 197RS.  It is now in Oklahoma 
some where and the registration has not been updated.
 

--- On Fri, 1/1/10, STEVE bennett  wrote:


From: STEVE bennett 
Subject: KR> New Sport Aviation Look
To: "krnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 12:20 PM



Didn't know if you have received the latest and newest copy of Sport Aviation.  
Wow!  What an inprovement!



In the "Gone West" section, I see that Neil Bingham is listed.  Many of you 
will remimber Neil from the early days of the KR evolution.  He had built a KR 
2 and had several articles in Sport Aviaiton about the aircraft.  



Later in life he built a Fisher Yougster. He was a geat guy!

Steve Bennett
Great Plains Aircraft
ifly...@msn.com



              
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KR> Tail wheel/rudder interconnection

[Randy Smith]

A simulate we can afford is really not much like flying. The simulators the 
airlines use are so real they will go from a type rating by simulator to a line 
check. The line check will be the first time in that type of plane. I know 
folks that use there desk top simulator to practice IFR and other things and I 
have had the opportunity to play with a couple of real nice ones and from my 
experience they are not the same.  I believe everyone should have a tailwheel 
endorsement. You would be surprised how it helps in all planes.

--- On Wed, 12/23/09, Myron (Dan) Freeman  wrote:


From: Myron (Dan) Freeman 
Subject: RE: KR> Tail wheel/rudder interconnection
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 11:34 AM


Hi guys and girls;



My whole point in bringing up the subject of tail wheel/rudder and wheel
alignment was three fold. One was, was it just my lack of time and
experience in the plane (probably so) or two, was there a way to make it
easier to control, and three, to leave a more searchable title in the KR
archives for future reference.

By the way, this subject has nothing to do with the accident at all. That
was caused by gusting wind.

Also, X-Plane is not a perfect simulator, neither is a multi million dollar
airline simulator but it is fun and all that I and many others can afford. 

Now whether it can produce bad habits or not, yes it can if you let it, it's
up to you to practice good habits.

Have a great Christmas.

Regards, 

Myron (Dan) Freeman 

Indpls, Ind. 46203-3570 

Home of the Indy 500, 

the World's most famous 

auto race. 

mfreem...@indy.rr.com 

? 

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KR> Tail wheel/rudder interconnection

[Randy Smith]

I believe part of the tow-in tow-out is preference. I found on my KR with a 
copy of Dans gear in aluminum 0 worked well with me. I have a 47 and 74 
Bellanca downstairs and one of the first things I did was to align the wheels 
for 0. It made a big difference for me. 
For those thinking about tail wheels. Don't listen to anybody about how hard 
they are to fly. It is like when you learned to fly a tricycle gear. It was 
hard at first but after a few landing it becomes natural. About they only thing 
I really pay attention to when landing is witch way the wind is blowing down 
the runway. anything over 5 kts I land into the wind when I can.

--- On Wed, 12/23/09, Larry Knox  wrote:


From: Larry Knox 
Subject: RE: KR> Tail wheel/rudder interconnection
To: "'KRnet'" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 8:53 AM


Thanks, Larry this will work for me. I was going to set mine at 3/16 toe in
but will go with dead ahead. In the piper gear we try for 1/4 or better per
wheel toe in but that's piper gear. Cessna's we try for a little less but
still toe in. The 20 and 20/22 pipers are a little squirlie so we seem to
have better luck with a little more. Of course you have to do a gear spring
or bend to accomplish this as usually its caused from a ground loop or near
so and precision is a little hard to achieve. Again, thank,
la...@lebanair.com 

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Larry Flesner
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 6:16 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: RE: KR> Tail wheel/rudder interconnection

At 09:12 PM 12/22/2009, you wrote:
>The DC3 and B17 suspensions work directly for and aft and up and down,
>therefore their toe in does not change with suspension movement.
>Barry Kruyssen
+++

That is true and I was using that to make a point.  The Diehl gear, 
in my opinion, has very little fore / aft movement, or at least not 
enough to be a factor.  I think that Mark Langford's and my slightly 
longer than standard, slightly reinforced, Diehl gear with over 1000 
hours of combined flight time would indicate that zero toe-in / 
toe-out works well.

While I don't question your statement "(Just apply your brakes and 
apply power and see how much they flex, mine move back about 6mm)." , 
that is not a condition your gear sees on most hard surface takeoffs 
and landings.  Rough sod could cause fore and aft movement but the 
effect on directional control has less effect with less tire to 
surface friction.  Any roughness causing the gear to flex aft will 
probably  call for immediate and aggressive rudder input to maintain 
directional control anyway, independent of gear alignment.

I think this subject is being over analyzed.  Go with what has been 
flight proven and move along.  Zero toe-in / toe-out on the Diehl 
gear works well and, if I were doing it again, is the setup I would use.

Larry Flesner


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KR> New subject - This is not KR!-- now cooling systems, general

[Randy Smith]

You talk about fast and slow. I went through this with my KR in the early 90. 
We all did. Most found out it is not how fast the air enters the inlet but the 
differential between inlet and outlet pressure. We installed 2 airspeed 
indicators 2 digital thermometers and 2 manometers (I think that's what you 
call them to measure pressure drop)  We started lowering the bottom lip of the 
cowl under the plane. We found that once the pressure built up in the cowl the 
airspeed through the cowl did not change much when we picked up speed. To make 
a long story short we lowered the bottom cowl 3" below the firewall and 1" past 
the firewall and cured all our problems. This was on a VW 2180.  When I 
installed an 0-360 lyc on my 47 Bellanca (Removed a Franklyn 165) we had to 
lower the bottom cowl to get the bigger engine cool.
Someone mentioned the air going from the bottom up, There were a few airplanes 
in the 30's 40's and early 50's that pressurized the lower cowl. The original 
Bellanca 14-13 had the air going up through the cylinders.

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Dene Collett  wrote:


From: Dene Collett 
Subject: Re: KR> New subject - This is not KR!-- now cooling systems, general
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 11:27 AM


No offence taken but if I am not mistaken your aircraft has an aircooled
motor in it and has a cooling system to keep it cool while the engine is
producing power.
Although I am not installing the motor in a KR, it is aircooled and has a
cooling system which I would like to understand. I would have thought that
the commonality between the two would make the subject pertinent here but
maybe not on the corvair forum as that forum is dedicated to the corvair
motor only?? Then again the corvair has been used in many different aircraft
and each one of them has a cooling system.

A lot has been said about the ratio between the inlet size and outlet size
but not much has been said about the relationship between power produced
(heat), inlet size and airspeed. There has to be a relationship and a rule
of thumb formulae there.

According to a study I recently read by a german aeronautical engineer,
the traditional cooling systems are upside down. According to her testing
the lowest pressure area around the circumference of the cowl is on the top
and highest is in the centre on the bottom. Obviously with higher speed
aircraft like the KR ram air is enough to overcome this but the slower you
go the more difficuilt it gets to create that pressure differential
required.

Look at the outlets on a cirrus in relation to the power (heat) they 
produce. They
are tiny. The secret is airspeed as far as I am concerned. I am sure there
are VW powered KR's out there producing no more that 65HP with bigger inlets
and outlets. Either the owners of these KR's just hit the cooling bug with a
big stick and overengineered it to avoid problems or the inlets and outlets 
had
to be bigger due to the lower airspeed and therefore lower ram air pressure.
Fortunately the KR flies fast enough to be able to create a lower pressure
underneath in the higher pressure area to "suck" sufficiently.

Take Mark Langford's KR for example. AT 100MPH the ram air pressure is
already 4.92" water guage, at 120mph it is 7.09"wg.(figures obtained in an
old sport aviation article)  This alone is probably enough to cool the motor
without worrying about creating an outlet system to help "suck" out the air.
So, in theory, to cool a KR in cruise the outlet can be at static pressure
and it should cool just fine providing the inlets are correctly sized to let
enough air in and the outlet size is sufficient to handle the expanded air.
It is a little more complicaed that this I know but this is basically how it
works.(as I understand it).

Comments???

Regards
Dene Collett
Avlec Projects cc
Port Elizabeth
South Africa


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KR> Update from the archives - Polyester fuel tanks

[Randy Smith]

He has to be. Bo's have bladder tanks for mains.

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Larry H.  wrote:


From: Larry H. 
Subject: Re: KR> Update from the archives - Polyester fuel tanks
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 11:10 AM


In the statement below, are you talking about tip tanks?

Larry Howell






 We are working on a Bonanza that never burned
auto fuel at any time, that is leaking in several places because of pin
holes and delamination. 
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KR> Re: Paint

[Randy Smith]

A very good paint to use is AirTex. It is very expensive is STC for most planes 
and you have to pay attention to the directions. I have painted 4 planes with 
it a 47 Bellanca.a Tri-Pacer a Sterman, and a piper 180. I own the 47 and 10 
years later it still shines like new. The only wax I put on is the leadind 
edges so bugs can be removed easily. It can be used on metal, cloth and 
Fiberglass. It is easy to patch and does not have over spray because it stays 
wet for a bout 30 minutes. They do sell it in quarts, I don't know if they will 
sell in pints. A KR would take about 2 quarts + the mix. AirTex is out of 
Arkansas.

--- On Fri, 11/27/09, smwood  wrote:


From: smwood 
Subject: KR> Re: Paint
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:23 AM


I used Sherwin Williams Acrylic Latex house paint, three coats primer, three 
coats top coat semi-gloss, sanding between all coats and one coat clear 
gloss and polish.  The ultra white in the top coat has been tinted extra 
white.  It has a mirror shine, but the white just does not have any depth. 
I was trying to get-r-done cheap with a slick finish for less parasitic 
drag.  Primer was $21 per gallon at Lowe's; $23 per gallon  for top coat and 
$19 per gallon clear.  I used my 120 psi shop compressor for air supply and 
a HVLP sprayer ($39 at Lowe's).  Used a Sears inline regulator set for 20 
psi for primer and top coats, 10 psi for clear.  The 6.5 cfm compressor had 
to work hard to keep up with air demand.
Paint repairs for hangar rash and one structure mod were simple and easy. 
The white on white repairs are impossible to detect.  How the paint holds up 
in service is yet to be determined.

Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA
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   --

...wondering what everyone was using for a primer and finish coat of paint 
on their planes ?.

Thanks
Bobby Burington
California KR Builder






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KR> circuit current

[Randy Smith]

Before you fly behind that HAPI engine talk to Steve Bennett about the crank. 
They had a problem with the cranks braking at the flange. I know I had one do 
it.

--- On Sun, 11/22/09, PETER KAREN GAUTHIER  wrote:


From: PETER KAREN GAUTHIER 
Subject: KR> circuit current
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 3:22 PM


Hi All,
I purchased a project that was almost ready to fly about 3 years ago.  I have 
replaced the retractable with RR fixed gear, added wing stub tanks, replaced 
the firewall, built a new header tank and made it integral with the removable 
forward deck, reworked all the controls, added 2.5" of headroom to the canopy, 
added roll protection, and modified the turtle deck to accommodate the taller 
canopy and be removable.  I hope to have reduced the weight some and have it 
flying by June.
It has a HAPI 1835 with a slick mag and an electronic ignition.  I am wiring 
the panel and can't seem to find any performance specs for the electronic 
ignition.  Can anybody tell me what the current draw is for the electronic 
ignition that HAPI used?  Also, it has a Boch starter, what would be a 
reasonable draw to expect from the starter solenoid? I guess I could test em, 
but then again;  I could just ask. 
Thanks,

Pete Gauthier
Woodburn, OR 
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KR> EA81

[Randy Smith]

--- On Fri, 11/20/09, Randy Smith <crz...@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Randy Smith <crz...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: KR> Jabaru 3300 in KR2S/Continental 0-200D
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 4:49 PM


If anyone is interested I have an EA81 with a motor mount for a KR 2. It came 
off of Bud Wisons KR. Firewall foreward with redrive no prop. $2200. Located 
north of Dallas at  3OF Lakeview airport.  For more info you can contacted me 
at 940-368-7973  Randy Smith

--- On Fri, 11/20/09, E.D <eric.de...@cegetel.net> wrote:


From: E.D <eric.de...@cegetel.net>
Subject: Re: KR> Jabaru 3300 in KR2S/Continental 0-200D
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 1:49 PM


I saw the subaru SUB4 conversion engine (EA81) about 6500$ would be a 
good engine for KR2S
I don't know if someone are already use it.
Eric Dewet.


tinya...@aol.com a écrit :
> I would think the new Continental 0-200D would be a good engine for the KR.  
> I haven't seen a price, but I am sure it is crazy expensive.  The 3300 isn't 
> cheap either.
>
> Kevin Golden
> Harrisonville, MO
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Scott <jscott.pi...@juno.com>
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:03 am
> Subject: Re: KR> Jabaru 3300 in KR2S
>
>
> Ken Thomas of Jasper, AL has a Jabaru 3300 in his oversized KR-2S.  Ken is a 
> BIG 
> uy, even by my standards, so built his KR wider and taller than most.  His 
> take 
> ff performance the one time I saw his plane was impressive.  You can catch a 
> ouple of pictures of his plane in the 2004 Gathering photos on the KRNet.org 
> eb page.  I've never seen any published numbers on his plane and don't think 
> he 
> s a member of this forum. You've got his name and home town, so it should be 
> asy fare to give him a call or US mail if you really want the info from 
> someone 
> lying the -2S behind one.  
> BTW, do you have a name and city to put at the bottom of your email so the 
> rest 
> f us know who we are replying to?
> Jeff Scott
> os Alamos, NM
>
> rom: lureloc...@aol.com
> Does any one know what the performance figuires are for the KR2S with a  
> abiru 3300 engine? Rate of climb, Cruise, etc
>
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KR> areobatics

[Randy Smith]

With my last KR I would do Barrel roils loops and spins. I could only do a 
couple at a time because I would get sick. ( love to do them ) I will go up 
about once a month in one of my Bellanca's and do a few moves just to keep in 
practice. I believe you should be able to do it in all planes that you fly so 
you will be comfortable if something goes wrong and you end up upside. 

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Charles Burkholder  wrote:


From: Charles Burkholder 
Subject: Re: KR> gross weight?
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 9:04 PM



This is a little off of the subject but do any of you guys do aerobatics in 
your KRs? Seems they'd be capable w/ that g-rating.
Charles Burkholder
Bancroft, Ont.

- Original Message - 
From: "Tony Wright" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: KR> gross weight?


Larry,

All small airplanes (under 6000 pounds) certificated under Part 23 are
certified to 3.8g.

Tony Wright



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KR> KR Crash in AZ

[Randy Smith]

Trustee means the plane is set up in an estate. Not sure why he would put a 
liability like a plane in the estate and not a corporation.

--- On Sat, 10/31/09, Lee Van Dyke  wrote:


From: Lee Van Dyke 
Subject: Re: KR> KR Crash in AZ
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 10:48 PM


It was not Robert in the plane at the time of the forced landing.

- Original Message - 
From: "Pete" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: KR> KR Crash in AZ


N number search results.
I hope he's OK.
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=811RJ

Pete.

Lee Van Dyke wrote:
> Well, ask and ye shall receive,  Try to find KR's in AZ and they show up 
> on the new.
>
> http://www.azfamily.com/video/raw/RAW-Plane-crashes-near-Glendale-Airport-67727122.html
>
> Lee
>


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KR> Careful what you carry with you

[Randy Smith]

Could it be he was just trying to make a joke. I have a friend that is a 
captain at DFW airport fire dept and they believe a lot of the rules are stupid 
to.

--- On Fri, 10/30/09, mfreem...@indy.rr.com  wrote:


From: mfreem...@indy.rr.com 
Subject: KR> Careful what you carry with you
To: "kr...@mylist.net" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 7:43 PM


Hi guys and girls;

(Quote)I think that I would contact the EMT's boss and ask him (Her?) what 
happened 
to the knife. Want to bet that it was never turned in? 

Oh no, that old, well worn knife is the least of my concerns, besides my wife 
bought me a brand new one, they only cost $10 and the old one could still be at 
MVN laying on the runway somewhere.
I just wanted to point out what might be a problem for pilots in this crazy 
world now a days.

Have a great week everybody.
Myro D. Freeman 

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KR> oil presure regulator

[Randy Smith]

Everyone has there opiniun about oil but VW really likes straight 40w. 
Everything I have on VW calls for 40W. I ran a couple of VW's on my KR and Have 
2 VW trikes in the garrage that I own. All 40W

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, phil brookman  wrote:


From: phil brookman 
Subject: KR> oil presure regulator
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 4:38 PM


i have a vw 1835 --and need to boost oil pressure a bit --i notice there is a 
oil pressure regulator in the case 
how does this work 
ie does it blow off at 80-90 psi and allow oil to go to the sump 
i was thinking of using  15w -40w oil  which would be a bit thinner than 20-50
but do not want to lose oil pressure
tia 
phill 

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KR> RE: vinyester vs polyester

[Randy Smith]

As you say Piper does not recommend alcohol based fuels in there planes. I know 
in Texas and a few other states I have traveled in  you can not find fuel 
without alcohol in there gas.  Most of you will find you will be flying with 
100LL in your tanks if you fly much cross country. It is hard to find Regular 
gas at airports these days because of pollution restriction. My wife and I fly 
about 150 hrs a year traveling and this year alone I can only think of 1 
airport I saw regular gas at, I believe it was in Arkansas.

--- On Fri, 10/2/09, jscott.pi...@juno.com  wrote:


From: jscott.pi...@juno.com 
Subject: Re: KR> RE: vinyester vs polyester
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 2:33 PM



On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:46:07 +1000 "Phillip Matheson"
 writes:
> Fred,
> 
> Polyester should work just fine.  That's what Piper used to build 
> the tip 
> tanks on the Cherokee 235 and Cherokee 6.  Polyester has it's 
> difficulties 
> in certain applications, but it works quite well for a fuel tank.
> 
> --
> 
> DO NOT USE Polyester!Do you REALLY want to take the

> chance?
> 
> DO a test yourself and let us know your results!
> put some polyester in some avgas and ULP.
> 
> I would only USE Vinyl Ester. ( not Epoxy)  unless the manufacture says
it's 
> OK. not someone else.
> 
> Too many people have had problems with epoxy, I have seen what 
> leaking tanks 
> on a Lancair does.. NOT good.
> 
> 
> Phil Matheson

---

Wow!  That's a lot of exclaimation points and question marks.  The
question posed seemed to be simple enough.  
"Can anyone tell me if Polyester will work on a fuel tank application? " 
I'll stand by my answer.  Yes it will, and there are tens of thousands of
Cherokees flying around with Polyester tip tanks as flying proof.  Many
have been in service since long before Ken and Stu dreamed up the KR
aircraft.  Apparently some of you have testing data that you should share
with Piper and the FAA that demonstrates otherwise?  

Later, a second question was posed about the tolerance of Polyester tanks
to Alcohol fuels.  My answer was that I don't know.  Piper didn't test
alcohol in their tanks as Alcohol contaminated fuels are not recommended
(or allowed) by either Piper or the FAA.  Consequently, I have no
knowledge of specific long term testing data.  I've only heard third and
fourth hand anecdotal information on the internet, which I don't consider
to be particularly reliable data.

Would I really want to take the same chances with my tanks as a Piper
Cherokee?  Simple answer.  "Yes."  However, I would not use alcohol
contaminated fuels in my aircraft, whether the tanks were up to it or
not.  

The original post didn't ask for a recommendation, which is why I didn't
make one.

Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM
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KR> Gathering

[Randy Smith]

This is 1 way to get to ride in a # of different KR's  Have fun.

--- On Sun, 9/13/09, jack.cooper2009  wrote:


From: jack.cooper2009 
Subject: KR> Gathering
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 8:11 AM




Just a reminder to those who expressed a desire to take a BFR at the gathering, 
Bring your logbook. 

Jack Cooper 
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KR> Can't stop "Flying Again"

[Randy Smith]

It is cool to take your coffee cup down stairs set it down and pull the plane 
out with the golf cart (47 Bellanca, 74 Bellanca) and go fly.  I have Less 
Palmer's KR in a hanger about 45 min. from here I have not touched in a year. I 
plan on bringing it home in Oct. and get it cleaned up and running again. I 
really miss that little plane for going to breakfast on Sun mornings. It is fun 
to pass up the RV guy's. They have stopped making comments on the KR.

--- On Tue, 8/25/09, jack.cooper2009  wrote:


From: jack.cooper2009 
Subject: Re: KR> Can't stop "Flying Again"
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 6:26 PM




Dan Heath wrote. 
  Think about it, you drive by the airport on your way to 
work every day, or you could, and there is an airplane waiting there for 
you.  It is yours and all you have to do is pull it out, fire it up and take 
off.  Oh, how cool is that.   



Dan 

If only I had a flyable KR I could do you one better. Get up from the breakfast 
table with a cup of coffee, walk through a door and you are in the hangar with 
a KR. If only I had a flyable KR. How cool would that be? 

Jack Cooper 

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KR> O2 Requirements

[Randy Smith]

I just use an oxygen Bootle from my small torch set with a regulator and the 
tube that goes in my nose. Works great but the Bootle is heavy. I am over 
weight live at sea level plus 850 and work in and out of attics all day so do 
not get much exercise. I need oxygen over 12500 or I get a real headache. When 
I leave home (Fort Worth) I usually do not go around anything except restricted 
airspace. I will climb to clear as a rule. If I wanted to stay low and go 
around I would drive a car on trips.

--- On Thu, 8/6/09, Teate, Stephen  wrote:


From: Teate, Stephen 
Subject: KR> O2 Requirements
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 10:34 AM


I always heard the story of how the FAA came up with the requirements
for supplemental oxygen being a middle aged DC-3 crew that was
"observed" during flight at altitude. I can't help but picture a couple
of fifty year old chain smoking guys that hadn't seen the inside of a
gym since they played high school football. We all should know what the
FAR's say and unfortunately in any sort of incident you had better have
followed them to the letter but the actual fact is that oxygen
requirements vary greatly between individuals. 

Since my KR will be turbocharged I will fly at altitude on a regular
basis and will carry supplemental O2, especially since I understand
Aerox debuted a new portable and affordable system at Oshkosh, but I
will also have one of those finger O2/blood analyzers to help me know
when I really need to be on it.



Stephen Teate

Paradise, Texas

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KR> Suburu engines - something to consider

[Randy Smith]

I have had 2 KR's and test flew 3 others here in Texas and Have never heard of 
a tork roll in one. 1 has a EJ22 150 hp. My first one started out with a 1835 
and finished with a 0-200. I have seen a vidio of a KR do a full power stall, 
but had not heard of one do a tork roll. The planes that did that where running 
a lot of power. More than we could ever put on a little KR
 

--- On Thu, 7/9/09, laser...@juno.com  wrote:


From: laser...@juno.com 
Subject: KR> Suburu engines - something to consider
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 1:18 AM


Probably the biggest reason to avoid higher-powered engines in KR's is
the problem with immediate and fatal torque rolls once the wheels leave
the runway.  Using a PSRU with a Suburu and its extra torque this
tendency would even be worse.  

When KR's just had VW's, torque rolls after takeoff were not a serious
problem, but once the horsepower started to go up, the fatal torque rolls
started.  Among those first fatalities was Homer Didit of Mena, Arkansas
who put that R-985 in his KR-2.  He only made the one flight and augered
in on takeoff.

And what about that fellow with the turbine KR?  I haven't seen or heard
about it for quite some time now.  Torque roll on takeoff?  

I never see this phennomenon discussed on these forums.  Is it something
we just don't like to talk about?  The 300 lb. gorilla sitting in the
corner?  I think it's time people gave this deadly KR quirk some
attention so that new pilots won't be caught unawares when they push that
throttle forward.   

I'm sure the Corvair people will correct me if I'm wrong, but seems like
there have been a flock of  KR's with Corvair six cylinder engines that
torque-rolled in - pulling it off too soon with full throttle. 
Torque-roll.  Boom.  Smoke.  There's just too much temptation to firewall
the throttle and try and show off with a vertical climb when you have all
that power available.  Remember, these planes are made of styrofoam. 
Hanging a huge engine on the front is just asking for trouble.           


What got me started on this train of throught was that I've always
wondered why one of my tires wears out before the other one.  Landing on
one tire more than the other would explain it, except at my home field
the normal crosswind would favor wearing out the tire on the upwind side,
not the one that actually wears.  The difference is not great, but it's
noticable and consistent. 

It wasn't until I came across this piece by John Deakin in his column
Pelican's Perch on Avweb that I realized what is happening.  

"But in something like the Bearcat, the power is much higher, the torque
is correspondingly greater, and the wings are shorter, giving less
leverage. I assure you, the roll is there, and it's very noticeable. Left
tires wear out much sooner on the Bear."

Since our engines mostly turn to the left, our tires wear out on the
other side - the right side.  Even with our puny little engines (compared
to the warbirds the article is about), there is enough of a difference
over time to wear out the right tire more than the left one.  

And so another mystery is solved.    


Mike


Deakin's articles are really a wealth of good info on many aviation
topics, for those who haven't yet come across him.

http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182146-1.html
  

Do it right the first time.  Click to find contractors to work on your home 
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KR> Bugs

[Randy Smith]

I have painted about 8 planes in the last 5 years and it really does not matter 
what you put on the leading edge. When you go to paint or repair you will use a 
cleaner that will remove anything that effects the new paint. That is part of 
the process of prepping the area to be painted. I have used Lemon pledge 
,Turtle wax and a long list of items to help remove the bugs and when I 
repainted the wings I had no problems when using the correct cleaners before 
painting. ( I had to repaint the leading edges of my Bellanca after hitting a 
couple of birds.)

--- On Thu, 6/18/09, Oscar Zuniga  wrote:


From: Oscar Zuniga 
Subject: KR> Bugs
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 7:45 AM



Mark; careful with some of those waxes and polishes.  Yes, they make it easier 
to remove bugs and grime but they may make it difficult or impossible to make a 
fiberglass repair or repaint due to the silicones.  Take a look at a product 
called "RejeX", a 
polymeric coating that goes on after the surfaces are clean and dry, instead of 
polish or wax.  It does NOT contain silicones that cause so many problems with 
painting later on (such as Lemon Pledge, Armor All, etc. contain).  Supposed to 
make it much easier to remove bugs and droppings and lasts a couple of months.  
http://www.rejex.com/rejex.html



Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildr...@hotmail.com
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KR> Data Plate question

[Randy Smith]

You know  If you live in El Paso Texas it is the only place you go east to be 
in West Texas. Everyone says Midland Odessa is west Texas and they are east of 
El Paso.

--- On Fri, 6/12/09, Gerald Pryce  wrote:


From: Gerald Pryce 
Subject: Re: KR> Data Plate question
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 2:22 PM


laser...@juno.com said...









 
I believe the context was that Perry was the "farthest West" that the fly-in 
has been held, referring to the West coordinates...
 
Cheers,
 
Jerry Pryce
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KR> Re: Young Eagles Flights

[Randy Smith]

Listen to you all. How do we get kids to want to fly and enjoy what we have the 
pleasure of doing. Search the net. The only accident involving kids and the EAA 
was a Cherokee 180 up in the Northwest. Until then the safety record was 
perfect. The pilot population is shrinking because we are locking kids out of 
airports and not inviting them to go fly. If you are that nervous about law 
suits by a Million dollar umbrella policy and put everything you own in a 
trust. If you have that much to loose you need a trust anyway.

--- On Fri, 6/12/09, Solly Melyon  wrote:


From: Solly Melyon 
Subject: Re: KR> Re: Young Eagles Flights
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 9:07 AM


I have to agree with Mark.  The FAA, in an attempt to look good in the eys of 
the genral public, will for sure, impose new sanctions on Experimentals.  We do 
not need it! 
If the spam cans do the job, leave it alone.  The excitement of experimentals 
will catch the would be pilot later on.  

Solly Melyon-Mgr
AeroMax Aviation, LLC
www.aeromaxaviation.com
229.241.1175

--- On Thu, 6/11/09, Mark Langford  wrote:


From: Mark Langford 
Subject: Re: KR> Re: Young Eagles Flights
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 2:06 PM


Ten folks have pointed out that there is no official EAA policy which 
prefers "certified" aircraft over experimentals.  I'm just telling you what 
I was told by one of my local chaper officers.  I volunteered to fly Young 
Eagles and was told that there were plenty of guys flying them in spam cans, 
and that the "national office" discouraged the use of experimentals flying 
Young Eagles.

Somebody pointed out that didn't make sense, considering EAA stands for 
"Experimental", but my guess is what they'd really hate to see would be an 
experimental plane killing a 12 year old on the Nightly News.  Y'all can 
keep telling me what the official policy is, and you are absolutely 
correctI'm just conveying what I was told.  It may be the fabrication 
and opinion of one guy, but that's what I was told, and I don't fly Young 
Eagles as a result of it...

Mark Langford
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
website at http://www.N56ML.com


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KR> Gathering 2010

[Randy Smith]

There is an excellent Barbecue place at Miami Co not far from Salinas in a KR

--- On Mon, 6/8/09, Gerald Pryce  wrote:


From: Gerald Pryce 
Subject: Re: KR> Gathering 2010
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 8:59 PM


How about Salina, KS?  The first KR Fly-in was held there in Aug of 1984.   
"Ole Blue" was there.  I flew up from Altus, OK with my wife who was 8 months 
pregnant.  The son she was carrying, now wants to build a KR; coincidence?  I 
think not!

Jerry Pryce


At 04:47 AM 6/8/2009, you wrote:
>What is the farthest West
>location that the Gathering has ever been held.  The farthest one that I
>have been to was Covington, TN.
+++

I'd say Perry, Oklahoma.  I traveled ten hours by car to get there one
year and 4.5 hours in the Tripacer the next year.

Larry Flesner


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KR> Young Eagles Flights

[Randy Smith]

I have been a member of EAA for about 19 years and used to fly at least 10 
young eagles a year when I had my KR. EAA is EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT ASSOCIATION

--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Mark Langford  wrote:


From: Mark Langford 
Subject: Re: KR> Young Eagles Flights
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 4:51 PM



> EAA International Young Eagles day is Saturday June 13, 2009.  Does
> anyone fly Young Eagles in their KR-2?

I was told by our local EAA powers-that-be that flying Young Eagles in 
experimental aircraft was frowned upon by just about everybody involved, EAA 
at OSH included, although you may not find that in writing anywhere.  And 
being afraid to leave my local treeline, I'm also reluctant to give myself 
the opportunity to kill any teenagers other than my own.  Wrong attitude on 
my part, but that's the reality of the US legal system, or lack thereof

Chicken Langford, world famous for being afraid of a long cross-country
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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KR> Ivoprop?

[Randy Smith]

Ask Ivo they will tell you. I was one of the first to try Ivo on  VW back in 
93. It hit a wall at 120 mph. Would not keep motor cool. Did not run it more 
than 20 hrs. They gave me all my money back. Tried Warp first after 15 hrs and 
no help at all from them, I sold it to a friend for $100 with hub and he was 
flying it on a Volksplane the last I heard.

--- On Thu, 5/28/09, Willie van der Walt  wrote:


From: Willie van der Walt 
Subject: RE: KR> Ivoprop?
To: "'KRnet'" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 12:40 AM


There has been a debate on this forum regarding any 3 blade props on ,direct
drive, Volkswagen engines. (If I remember correctly)The conclusion was that
it is not recommended due to resonance vibration. Check the archives. 

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of bobby burington
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:23 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: RE: KR> Ivoprop?


I have seen other three blade props on a volkswagen, why can this prop not
be used ?.



--- On Wed, 5/27/09, Willie van der Walt  wrote:

> From: Willie van der Walt 
> Subject: RE: KR> Ivoprop?
> To: "'KRnet'" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 9:09 PM
> Works well on a Rotax 912 but can not
> be used on a Volkswagen if it is a 3
> blade.



      

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KR> RE: KR nose wheel shimmy

[Randy Smith]

I had Les Palmers do that on first flight and the wheel pants just 
dicetagrated. He added a couple of washers and used a tighter spring, never 
happened again and I have had that plane at 100 mph on the runway, Down wind 
engine out.

--- On Sat, 4/25/09, Mark Langford  wrote:

From: Mark Langford 
Subject: Re: KR> RE: KR nose wheel shimmy
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 5:52 AM

Mark W wrote:

> If the caster angle and wheel & tire balance are right, you
shouldn't have
> this problem... think GM/Ford/Chrysler front end alignment... not shopping
> cart. I've yet to see a Corvette experience 'shimmy' at speeds
exceeding
> anything a KR would land at.

I would have to disagree with that.  You can have a perfectly balanced 
wheel/tire, but external forces such as which way the wheel is pointed at 
touchdown, or even which way the wind is blowing, can get the shimmy 
started.  That's a side to side phenomenon, not a "perpendicular to
the 
axis" thing.  But it's really a matter of insufficient damping, which
is the 
real cure for a shimmy like that, regardless of what got it started.

There's an aerodynamic effect (it has a name but it's been 10 years
since I 
read about it) which describes how this oscillation happens to aero 
controls, or even stop signs in a high wind...similar to flutter.  Damping 
is the key to fixing it, not balance.  Stop signs have no damping, just a 
metal post which acts a spring to help perpetuate it.  Diehl accounts for 
damping through washers or something, and as mentioned, there's an 
adjustment/cure.  If that were my plane I'd have that nose gear off and be 
checking for cracks and wallowed out attachment points though


Mark Langford
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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KR> Tri Gear Conversion

[Randy Smith]

I have put my KR in the water. It left a bruise across my chest from the belt 
but nothing else happened. I set up for 65 mph until I was about 5 feet off the 
water. I pulled back hard until the tail-wheel hit.  I stopped about 20 feet 
further. Still lacked 10 feet to shore. The folks at the airport watching said 
I put a splash up about 30 feet. All I know is when I came to a stop the plane 
was floating and I said to myself that was not bad at all. I had retracts but 
could not get them unlocked and still fly the plane. At that time we had pulled 
5 planes out of the lake all where totaled. I had mine back in the air within a 
week. Fiberglass and wood floats. Remember the thing is called a boat stage for 
a reason.
For those that were around in the early 90's know I went down a few times. I 
will tell you this,If you keep worrying about every little thing that can go 
wrong, flying is not for you. I have had a couple of friends that built planes 
and after constantly worrying about crashing they gave up flying. Don't mean to 
scare anyone off Just build it. If you are not comfortable with tail-wheels go 
nose draggier if you a comfortable go tail wheel it really does not make any 
difference in the air.

--- On Mon, 4/20/09, John Kitsch  wrote:

From: John Gotschall 
Subject: Re: KR> Tri Gear Conversion
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 9:22 AM

That's exactly why I want those retracts up and have a smooth underbelly
when putting down on the water.

jg



On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 11:05 +1000, Darren Crompton wrote:
> >
> > All my forced landing here in western Washington are probably going
to
> > be within reach of water..
> 
> 
> 
> Hi John
> 
> Choosing to land on water should be considered only as a last resort.  The
> deceleration forces are huge, if you survive the ditching you could find
> yourself unconscious or semi-conscious and end up drowning.
> 
> Cheers


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KR> Temporary partial loss of power

[Randy Smith]

I installed 2 90* fittings on my KR with a 2180 and it really messed up the 
fuel flow. I put a new fuel line with a nice sweeping bend and cured the 
problem. 

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Mark Moody  wrote:

From: Mark Moody 
Subject: Re: KR> Temporary partial loss of power
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 2:13 PM

Thanks to everyone who replied!

Rich Seifert wrote:

>Definately fuel related.  Do your best to eliminate all the sources of
>fuel restrictions on the ground.  My bet is "vapor lock". 
Insolate you 
>fuel
>lines, and route cool air to your gascolater.

My gascolator does not have any cool air directed to it, so this could 
definitely be a possibility. I think I am going to get rid of the gascolator 
and replace it with a fuel drain in the lowest spot along with a fuel filter 
behind the firewall as I have a header tank. I always drain the gascolator 
before every flight to check for water and I think a simple fuel drain would 
serve this same purpose. I think this will at least eliminate vapor lock 
being caused by the gascolator.

>A good first step is to verify you have
>at least three times your maximum, engine required, fuel flow in nose high
>and nose low attitudes.  In your case; I would shoot for 15 gallons per 
>hour
>"at the carb float bowl" as a minimum.

After taking a quick look at the fuel supply line for the revflow carb I 
noticed that fuel is fed into the opposite side of the carb (the side facing 
the front of the airplane). In order to do this there are two 90 degree 
fittings used together to bring fuel in from the rubber supply line. This 
looks like it could be restrictive especially being that it is gravity fed. 
This weekend I will do a fuel flow check and see if those fittings are 
restricting the flow. If so then possibly I will extend the rubber supply 
line and make a 180 degree radius into the carb instead.

Any other suggestions or comments?? 


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KR> Wing attach fittings

[Randy Smith]

I am not sure how many times we removed Less Palmer's bolts before the plane 
was finely left at the airport. We could install the wings in about 20 min and 
remove them in about 15 min. The thing to remember is replace the Teflon castle 
nuts each time. We had a couple of blocks of Styrofoam that fit just right 
under the wings.

--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Glenn Martin  wrote:

From: Glenn Martin 
Subject: KR> Wing attach fittings
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 7:45 PM

I have read that using the WAF's to make the plane portable is not a 
good idea as the bolts, washers and nuts will eventually wear out the 
WAF's. That makes sense. I would think a good solution ,and easy to do 
would be to make the holes in the WAF's  larger, and use bushings in 
those holes that the bolts, washers and and nuts can sandwich. When they 
wear out, I'll get/turn a new set and I'm back in business. Any
comments?
Heres the latest:
I know have 15.4 hours of flight time.  I am getting much more 
comfortable with the 172 Skyhawk, though i do believe I wont buy 
oneever. Turbulance doesn't unnerve me like it used to, though it 
does make practicing more difficult. Still, Andy (my CFI) seems to have 
more confidence in me these days. I have learned that practicing at a 
busy airport, such as GPT, is very ineffective for a beginner. The radio 
is always interrupting the lesson, and often my touch and goes turn into 
directed go-arounds. We now make the point of going west to Stennis 
(HSA), a much better practice airport for me, and the tower guys are 
real good with us rookies!
N1333A is now in my shop. I have told my customers that I'm no 
longer doing speaker repairs as I don't have the room. Actually I don't

have the patience anymore. They only burn them up again in short order, 
so its a waste of my time and effort. I am also shutting off cable TV. 
The idea is that I should be spending that time on the plane. It also 
gives me 55 bucks more a month to kick around. I'm replacing cable with 
my old TV antenna on a rotor on a 60 foot tower i have purchased for my 
ham radio activities. As for movies: Wal-Mart $5 bin when I want them!  
The web site for N1333a is:
 N1333A.Webs.com
I'll try to keep it regular as I get rid of these old backlogged 
repairs I have left to do. Amps only from here on, and only the simple 
problems. I have no interest in putting much time into someone else's JUNK.
PS: Keesler AFB Biloxi, MS Air Show April 4 & 5. I'll be at the EAA

booth most of the time. Stop by and say Hi .



Glenn Martin
KR2 N1333A (now in pieces)
Biloxi, MS, 39532
rep...@martekmississippi.com
N1333a.Webs.com



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KR> Unsure about practices.

[Randy Smith]

You are right. Anytime a part moves in a part castle nuts with cotter keys are 
used. 

--- On Sun, 3/15/09, Darren Crompton  wrote:

From: Darren Crompton 
Subject: KR> Unsure about practices.
To: "KRnet" , "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" 

List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 10:20 PM

Having been to the Australian International Airshow and viewed aircraft
through the eyes of a builder, I need some clarification about some building
practices.  I always thought, and have since confirmed in AC 43.13 par7-64a,
"DO NOT use self-locking nuts on parts subject to rotation."  I saw
many
aircraft both experimental and certified that used locking nuts in
situations that I thought would have called for a castellated nuts and
cotter pins.  http://www.kr-2s.com/images/krnet/tecnam1_800.jpg   I would
like to know if I am misinterpreting the rule, that maybe it is ok to use
self-locking nuts here and that if the bolt was reversed, and the nut did up
on the rod end bearing side of the flap actuaror, that a castellated nut
would be used instead.
I am not trying to be a "Smarty Pants", just a little confused as I
saw this
on many aircraft.


Cheers.
-- 
Darren Crompton
AUSTRALIA

My web site: www.kr-2s.com
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KR> TSA ruling will affect all of us

[Randy Smith]

I am 59 years old 6 years in the Marines at age 18. 13 months in country.


--- On Sat, 2/28/09, airgu...@comcast.net <airgu...@comcast.net> wrote:

From: airgu...@comcast.net <airgu...@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: KR> TSA ruling will affect all of us
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 5:21 PM

^ years defending me - I'll bet I was in before you - 69-74 - you might
remember the war!!! 



- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Smith" <crz...@yahoo.com> 
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> 
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 6:56:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: KR> TSA ruling will affect all of us 

What other rights are you willing to give up. There are taking them away a
little at a time. How many young kids can stop by the airport too see the
planes. Without the young ones learning to fly I will have a hard time selling
my 3 planes. 
  
Sorry for the soap box it just gets me how people are willing to give freedom
up. I spent 6 years defending it. 

--- On Fri, 2/27/09, airgu...@comcast.net <airgu...@comcast.net> wrote: 

From: airgu...@comcast.net <airgu...@comcast.net> 
Subject: Re: KR> TSA ruling will affect all of us 
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 1:36 PM 

Badges with background checks have beem the rule at MHT in New Hampshire for a 
long time. Anyone flying in must be under eyes from the fbo. Sure keeps the 
radios etc from wandering away. 



- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Jarvis" <k.jar...@mchsi.com> 
To: corvaircr...@mylist.net, kr...@mylist.net, m...@lancair.net 
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:37:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: KR> TSA ruling will affect all of us 

Today is the last day to comment on this threat to personal aviation: 

The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is proposing new and 
sweeping restrictions on general aviation aircraft. The proposal (Docket 
# TSA-2008-0021),  known as the "Large Aircraft Security Program" 
(LASP), would impose new and onerous security regulations and 
restrictions on owners, operators, pilots, and passengers, and on 
general aviation (GA) airports that serve "large" aircraft. 

As proposed, the LASP would apply only to aircraft with a maximum gross 
takeoff weight (MTOW) over 12,500 pounds. But new regulations just 
finalized by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security make it clear that 
the government considers *all aircraft* to be potential threats --- from 
747s to hot air balloons.* 
* 

*http://www.eaa.org/govt/tsa.asp 
* 

*Kevin* 

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KR> Re:user fees

[Randy Smith]

That his how I wanted to answer his email but could not come up with a short 
version without getting rude. That is the problem ,some people seat back and 
wait. If we did not cry wolf do you really think they would back down? In Texas 
when the state decided to tax Corporation only those effected acted not enough 
folks to stop it. Then 3 years latter they applied the tax to LLC, LLP and up. 
not a large number of people no one listened. 2 years ago they included all 
business. not enough people to defend it. What do we do? Just pass it on to the 
customer.  Government never stops until enough people yell.

--- On Sat, 2/28/09, Patrick Driscoll  wrote:

From: Patrick Driscoll 
Subject: Re: KR> Re:user fees
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 1:56 PM

John Milland wrote:
  Fifty years ago as a young and new pilot I was energized and terrified
almost every month as AOPA came forth with a new warning that the
general aviation world as we knew it was about to end. After a few
years of this repeated cry of "wolf"  I grew tired and dropped out of
the AOPA organization.
   Did it occur to you that maybe the cry was dropped because so many who 
read it, called or emailed their congressmen and demanded a vote to drop the 
proposal?

Patrick Driscoll
Saint Paul, MN
patric...@usfamily.net

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KR> TSA ruling will affect all of us (Glade its friday)

[Randy Smith]

User fees in Obama administration?s budget proposal

President Barack Obama?s proposed budget is calling for aviation user charges 
starting in 2011. The White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) 
released the proposal Feb. 26, and although there is not much detail, the 
document makes it clear that the administration wants to replace some of the 
aviation excise taxes with ?direct user charges.? ?It is often said the devil 
is in the details, but even with only a few details, we are concerned,? said 
AOPA President Craig Fuller. Read more >>
Security proposal infringes on citizens? rights

The Transportation Security Administration?s proposed Large Aircraft Security 
Program (LASP) is a threat to American citizens? rights of privacy and freedom 
of travel. It is an unreasonably expansive and intrusive response to an 
undocumented and unproven security threat. The LASP could force one quarter of 
the reliever airports in the United States to ban aircraft weighing more than 
12,500 pounds. And the TSA has underestimated the cost of the program to 
citizens and businesses by a factor of six; LASP could cost the general 
aviation community some $1.2 billion a year. Those are just some of the onerous 
requirements AOPA pointed out in its detailed analysis of the LASP notice of 
proposed rulemaking.

KR> TSA ruling will affect all of us

[Randy Smith]

What other rights are you willing to give up. There are taking them away a 
little at a time. How many young kids can stop by the airport too see the 
planes. Without the young ones learning to fly I will have a hard time selling 
my 3 planes. 
 
Sorry for the soap box it just gets me how people are willing to give freedom 
up. I spent 6 years defending it.

--- On Fri, 2/27/09, airgu...@comcast.net  wrote:

From: airgu...@comcast.net 
Subject: Re: KR> TSA ruling will affect all of us
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 1:36 PM

Badges with background checks have beem the rule at MHT in New Hampshire for a
long time. Anyone flying in must be under eyes from the fbo. Sure keeps the
radios etc from wandering away. 



- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Jarvis"  
To: corvaircr...@mylist.net, kr...@mylist.net, m...@lancair.net 
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:37:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: KR> TSA ruling will affect all of us 

Today is the last day to comment on this threat to personal aviation: 

The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is proposing new and 
sweeping restrictions on general aviation aircraft. The proposal (Docket 
# TSA-2008-0021),  known as the "Large Aircraft Security Program" 
(LASP), would impose new and onerous security regulations and 
restrictions on owners, operators, pilots, and passengers, and on 
general aviation (GA) airports that serve "large" aircraft. 

As proposed, the LASP would apply only to aircraft with a maximum gross 
takeoff weight (MTOW) over 12,500 pounds. But new regulations just 
finalized by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security make it clear that 
the government considers *all aircraft* to be potential threats --- from 
747s to hot air balloons.* 
* 

*http://www.eaa.org/govt/tsa.asp 
* 

*Kevin* 

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KR> EBay Fraudulent KR2S Plans DVD

[Randy Smith]

I don't know about the rest of you but my serial # on my KR did not mach the 
plans and no one asked.

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Mark  wrote:

From: Mark 
Subject: RE: KR> EBay Fraudulent KR2S Plans DVD
To: "'KRnet'" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 8:14 PM

That was the basis for my comment about the insurance... if you insure a
"KR" there is history and it will be reflected in the rate you pay...
if it
is a Smith 22, guess what, the insurance company has never heard of it;
expect to pay major premium dollars (even though experimentals are pretty
expensive anyway).

Mark W
N952MW

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Ronald Wright
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:53 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: RE: KR> EBay Fraudulent KR2S Plans DVD

And along that same line, I don't think you have to use the serial number
on
the plans to register your plane Experimental.  You don't even have to call
a KR2 a KR2..  You can call it a Smith 22 if you wanted to.  And, who is
going to check the serial number when you register the plane;  call it a
02..  Nothing for the FAA to cross check the serial number against
anyway..

Just my nickels worth.

Ron


--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Mark  wrote:

> From: Mark 
> Subject: RE: KR> EBay Fraudulent KR2S Plans DVD
> To: "'KRnet'" ,
bobbycrea...@yahoo.com
> Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 1:45 AM
> Along the same line... registered plans have a serial number
> associated with
> them; it would be kind of hard to get an airworthiness
> certificate (even
> experimental) if "your" serial number duplicated
> another; otherwise it is
> just a "personally designed" experimental (insure
> THAT rip-off man!)
> 
> Mark W
> N952MW
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net
> [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
> Of Jeff Scott
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:48 PM
> To: bobbycrea...@yahoo.com; kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: Re: KR> EBay Fraudulent KR2S Plans DVD
> 
> These are simply plans on CD.  I've never known a
> builder to build a plane
> from them.  However, I do know lots of builders that have
> lots of plans
> sitting on the shelf from which they will never build a
> plane.  They just
> wanted to see a preview of the plans while deciding what to
> build.  Buying
> the CD as a way to inexpensively preview plans isn't a
> bad idea, although it
> would be nice if it came from the manufacturer rather than
> a scab leeching
> on society.  As long as the CD is not used to build an
> aircraft, I don't
> really see the problem.  For the most part, the stuff on
> these CDs are
> typically low quality scans and not really suitable to use
> for construction.
> 
> Here's another perspective.  I do part time work as an
> A as well as an EAA
> Tech Counselor.  I am tempted to buy the CD just to have a
> set of references
> for familiarization before I look at a plane.  I don't
> see that me owning a
> CD with plans that I'll never use for construction to
> be a problem.  Most
> sellers of plans only get up tight if someone is building
> from an
> unauthorized set of plans.  
> 
> Differing opinions are welcome?
> 
> Jeff Scott
> Los Alamos, NM
> 
> 
> 
> Earn your associate's criminal justice degree and start
> your career training
> today.
>
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> lx2Xr77KkAMxFUk09bZNL8GpGAQ/
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KR> Fw: Ray Goree, KR2S

[Randy Smith]

What happened to Ray? 

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Dan Heath  wrote:

From: Dan Heath 
Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Ray Goree, KR2S
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 4:33 AM

Yes. I know Ray.  He was at last years gathering, the same as always.  I
think he was in partners with his brother on the KR.  He was a very
enthusiastic builder, and like most of us, when we were still building, he
believed that Next Year, would be the year that he would fly his KR.  I am
saddened by his passing, and will be thinking of him. 

Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC 

A Long Distance Friend of Ray


---Original Message---


Mark:  You may be aware that Ray Goree passed away on Feb 13.  He spoke
highly of you and if you could let the KR Group know, I know that he would
appreciate it.  His wife will be selling his KR2S on e-Bay some time in the
near future.  I am helping her write the ad.

Dick Jones, Friend of Ray
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KR> Gas struts

[Randy Smith]

I had 1 on my KR in 1994 It was a yellow KR 197RS. There are probable a couple 
of pictures at some of the fly-ins in the 90's

--- On Wed, 2/18/09, Mark Jones  wrote:

From: Mark Jones 
Subject: Re: KR> Gas struts
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 3:45 PM

>- Original Message - 
>Another thing to look at is a hatch holder from a boat place. It is 
>basically a spring rather than strut. Bend the spring >and the canopy
comes 
>down.
>Paul



And since you mentioned the marine spring hatch holder. Here is the first 
one ever used on a KR. If anyone has used one before me then I will stand 
corrected. http://www.flykr2s.com/doorspring.html


Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI
E-mail: flyk...@charter.net
Web: www.flykr2s.com




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KR> repairman's certificate

[Randy Smith]

The DAR that sighed off my KR did all the paperwork. I sighed all and he sent 
it in. I guess some are willing to do the extra work and some are not.

--- On Tue, 2/17/09, Jeff Scott  wrote:

: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:05 PM

KR> A master list of weight-saving build techniques?

[Randy Smith]

Don't tell that to my to Bellanca's in the hanger. 1 is a 1947 and the other a 
1974. The wing is all Mahogany. On the 47 they used 1/8  4 feet out and 3/32 
the rest of the way. On the 74 it is 1/4  4 feet out and 1/16 the rest of the 
way. The airplane does not have any record of a wing departing the plane.

--- On Wed, 1/21/09, Peter Drake  wrote:

From: Peter Drake 
Subject: Re: KR> A master list of weight-saving build techniques?
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 2:47 AM

Rick
 I would agree with all of that except the mahogany ply. It does not have 
anything like the strength of Birch.
We are not allowed to use it structurally in the UK because of this.
Peter Drake
Hereford UK
- Original Message - 
From: 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: KR> A master list of weight-saving build techniques?


Rob Priddy wrote: "Which woods/foams/glass are the lightest variants that
could still be structurally sufficient? Those are the things I'm looking
for. Techniques that lighten it, not money spent that lightens it."



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Fw: Re: KR> HAPI VW engine conversion on ebay

[Randy Smith]

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Randy Smith <crz...@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Randy Smith <crz...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: KR> HAPI VW engine conversion on ebay
To: bobbycrea...@yahoo.com
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 9:30 PM






If someone on the net buy's the HAPPI engine make sure you tear it down and 
replace the crank. If you don't know why ask Steve Bennett.  I owned one and 
lost my prop over Eisenhower lake in Missouri

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, bobby burington <bobbycrea...@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: bobby burington <bobbycrea...@yahoo.com>
Subject: KR> HAPI VW engine conversion on ebay
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:22 AM

For thoes who might be intrested there is a HAPPI dual ignition VW converted
engine with virtually zero time.   It includes many free extras. on ebay.

item number 190280869811 and url is  


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem=190280869811=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123

looks good and the price is US $1,800.00  but it sounde like the man will deal
a little on it.

Bobby Burington
California KR2 Builder




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KR> Is there a builder shop?

[Randy Smith]

Its not illegal to have someone build your plane it is illegal to sign a form 
saying you built it.

--- On Thu, 1/1/09, Dj Merrill  wrote:

From: Dj Merrill 
Subject: Re: KR> Is there a builder shop?
To: amckev...@yahoo.com, "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 1:03 PM

Andy Mckevitz wrote:
> is there a place that I can have build the plane for me?  

I heard of a KR only builder in NC that doesn't build now, but did,
cranked the planes out like hotcakes for many years.
> thoughts/opinions?

Well, other than it being illegal...

If you want a finished KR, buy one already built and flying, or find a
certified airplane like a Mooney/Cirrus that is relatively fast.
Glasairs and Van's RVs are also good choices.  Plenty of all of the
above on Ebay, Barnstormers, Trade-A-Plane, etc.

-Dj

-- 
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ  KR-2 Builder N770DJ
http://deej.net/sportsman/  http://deej.net/kr-2/

"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane."  --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005

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KR> Uncontrolled rolls?

[Randy Smith]

There are people out there that would not fly a twin at night. A KR is pretty 
sensitive but it can be flown in clouds. An autopilot would really be a help in 
one. I put about 125 hrs on mine at night. My wife and I understand the risk 
and I probably have about 600 hrs at night total.

--- On Sun, 12/28/08, Mark  wrote:

From: Mark 
Subject: RE: KR> Uncontrolled rolls?
To: "'KRnet'" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 5:07 PM

I'm not sure I understand the reluctance for night flights. If you have the
instrumentation to show that you are "straight and level", and you
are in
normal Night VFR and VMC, why wouldn't you be willing to fly at night.
(I'm
still learning, have patience).

Mark W.
N952MW (reserved)

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Dan Heath
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 3:36 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> Uncontrolled rolls?

I definitely concur with the no IFR or Night Flight, but "Uncontrolled
rolls
to 45 degrees"???  I have plenty of hours in a KR to have experienced
that,
and some in clouds ( don't tell anyone ), but, I have never experienced
this
 and don't expect to.  I find the KR a very well behaved airplane.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2009 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Ill
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC


The CFII's I've known who have owned KR2's were scared the
first and last time they flew this short coupled plane in turbulent air.
Uncontrolled rolls to 45 degrees in either direction are normal. Such
will be the case in normal flight in cloud. Not exactly  the time for a
fun ride.
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KR> ELT in restored kr-2

[Randy Smith]

I know when I went from a VW to an 0-200 I had to have the FAA come out and 
inspect the install. They consider that a major mod and all major mods have to 
be inspected. He gave me 5 hrs. This was the Fort Worth FAA. The FAA records 
still show the plane with a VW. I don't believe they ever change that. I have a 
47 Bellanca that had an engine change from a Franklyn 165 to a lyc 0-360 back 
in 1976 and the records still show it with a Franklyn but the 337 shows the 
change.

--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Dan Heath  wrote:

From: Dan Heath 
Subject: Re: KR> ELT in restored kr-2
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 4:22 AM

Unless they have recently changed the rules in the US, if you are flying
solo, you are not required to have an ELT.  If you are not changing the
engine, different kind or size, then, just keep on flying off the hours.  If
you changed from a VW to a Cont, or something like that, then only 5 hours
is required, and you will be getting those as you continue to fly off the
hours.  

When you do get an ELT, you will be required to get what is required at the
time.

But then, this is just from what I remember, so I hope that someone else
with regs in their brain will either confirm or deny. 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2009 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Ill
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC


---Original Message---

My kr-2 got it's airworthyness cert, and operating limitations back in
the 1980's.

Now with a new motor, canopy, fordeck and cowl, I am sure they will want
me to fly off 40 hours in addition to the 22 already logged.

What abot the ELT?  It has none now. No mention of one in the logs.
What do I have to do?  Old style, new style, exempt via operating
limitations, then get one later? what?
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KR> Hingeless Ailerons

[Randy Smith]

On the plane.  

--- On Wed, 12/3/08, Erik Kline  wrote:

From: Erik Kline 
Subject: RE: KR> Hingeless Ailerons
To: "'KRnet'" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 7:17 AM

How would you balance a hingeless aileron?

--

From: Paul & Karen Smith [mailto:pk.sm...@bigpond.net.au] 
Subject: KR> Hingeless Ailerons

http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/ht-aileron.html




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KR> Aluminum Welding Rods

[Randy Smith]

I have used that stuff on repairs of hot gas lines on Carrier A/C units.( older 
models use aluminum tubs for the condenser) They have a working pressure of 
anything from 150 psi to 425 psi. I have not had to go back on one yet and 5 
units I still take care of.

--- On Sun, 11/23/08, Dan Heath  wrote:

From: Dan Heath 
Subject: KR> Aluminum Welding Rods
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 5:01 AM

Thanks, that isn't too far from here.  I have been wanting to try that stuff
  Has anyone built a fuel tank with it yet? 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Ill
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---

  Aluminum Welding Rods
   WEEKS DISTRIBUTORS
36 Caroline Drive
TAYLORS, SOUTH CAROLINA 29687
(800) 547-9353  www.durafix.com

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KR> Water Landing

[Randy Smith]

--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Randy Smith <crz...@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Randy Smith <crz...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: KR> Flying milkstools and idiots
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 10:14 PM






I have landed in the water with a KR2. Retracts where down and locked and no 
real time to bring them up. My glide was 60 mph just before I hit the water I 
pulled all the way back on the stick. I hit the water at about 40 to 45 mph. 
From inside it did not seem like much ( except for the bruise across my chest 
from the shoulder belt) from the outside all that watched said I put up a 30 
foot splash. The plane did not flip over. After I got out the plane nosed down 
because the cg changed. We tied a rope to what was left of the prop and pulled 
it out. I had the plane flying again in about 3 weeks.

--- On Tue, 11/4/08, John Gotschall <johng...@comcast.net> wrote:

From: John Gotschall <johng...@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: KR> Flying milkstools and idiots
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:48 PM

I haven't seen any mention of it, so I'll mention it:  For those of us
who live near alot of water, retracts are best for a water landing, or
perhaps landing on frozen cornfields (john S. did that), probably for a
muddy field too.

jg

N611GB
Puyallup WA



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KR> Flying milkstools and idiots

[Randy Smith]

I have landed in the water with a KR2. Retracts where down and locked and no 
real time to bring them up. My glide was 60 mph just before I hit the water I 
pulled all the way back on the stick. I hit the water at about 40 to 45 mph. 
From inside it did not seem like much ( except for the bruise across my chest 
from the shoulder belt) from the outside all that watched said I put up a 30 
foot splash. The plane did not flip over. After I got out the plane nosed down 
because the cg changed. We tied a rope to what was left of the prop and pulled 
it out. I had the plane flying again in about 3 weeks.

--- On Tue, 11/4/08, John Gotschall  wrote:

From: John Gotschall 
Subject: Re: KR> Flying milkstools and idiots
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:48 PM

I haven't seen any mention of it, so I'll mention it:  For those of us
who live near alot of water, retracts are best for a water landing, or
perhaps landing on frozen cornfields (john S. did that), probably for a
muddy field too.

jg

N611GB
Puyallup WA



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KR> Narco ELT-10 battery corrosion

[Randy Smith]

My question is, Why mount the ELT on the ground plane? An ELT when working 
requires nothing but an antenna off the top. If you are using a separate 
antenna I would move the ELT to the side. I have 3 ELT's 2 are mounted to the 
side of the fuselage (1 fabric 1 glass) with the antenna hooked to the ELT. The 
last one is mounted to a flat board with the Strobe box, ox bottle,and a few 
other small items and the antenna is mounted on the top with a 4"x4" sheet of 
aluminum. This airplane is fabric to. 2 of these planes are certified.

--- On Mon, 10/13/08, Martek Mississippi  wrote:

From: Martek Mississippi 
Subject: Re: KR> Narco ELT-10 battery corrosion
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 10:05 PM

Could it be that you should be grounding the ELT case to the aluminum plate 
after all? That way there would be no difference of potential and no 
electrolysis.

 - Original Message - 
From: "Oscar Zuniga" 
To: "Pietenpol List" ;

Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:51 PM
Subject: KR> Narco ELT-10 battery corrosion



Question for you electronics geeks.  I have an older Narco ELT (yes, it's 
the honkin' big orange thing that only xmits on 121.5).  When my Piet went 
over on its nose a few years ago, the ELT didn't go off but the incident
was 
sufficient to make me replace the battery since I'm an FAR-abiding pilot
and 
aircraft owner and that's what the FARs call for.

I replaced the battery with a brand new Airtex replacement from Chief 
Aircraft and reinstalled the ELT in a better location (behind the pilot's 
seat), secured it on the ground plane (a large flat piece of aluminum behind 
the pilot's seat), and we're good to go again.  Now the problem.  About
two 
years later, there is a white powdery corrosion showing up under the ELT, 
mostly under the battery where it sits on the aluminum ground plane.  Mind 
you, I painted the aluminum with an epoxy paint before the installation and 
the battery housing is thick orange plastic, so there really isn't anything

electrical touching anything metallic.  So what am I doing wrong?  Should I 
replace the battery and reinstall the unit with a rubber cushion between it 
and the ground plane that it's installed on (along with the ELT antenna)?

I guess it really doesn't matter since nobody will hear the tree fall in
the 
forest after next February anyway, as long as I stay on 121.5 Mhz ;o)

Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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KR> not quite so fast!

[Randy Smith]

I use MPH on all planes. I go faster that way. 


--- Mark Langford  wrote:

> NetHeads,
> 
> For almost a year I'd been thinking that my top
> speed was something like 168 
> mph TAS, and now with the 3100cc engine, 178 mph
> TAS.   But week before last 
> I was out flying around over Guntersville Lake on a
> very calm day and 
> thought I'd do a quick two way wide open GPS run up
> and down the river.  The 
> result was only 149 mph...with exactly the same
> number in both directions 
> (no math required!).   At these speeds, the airspeed
> indicator is very 
> accurate, at least I'd thought so up until now. 
> This really had me 
> buffaloed, as I was so sure that all my testing
> couldn't have been off that 
> much.
> 
> So last weekend I flew up to middle Ohio to a
> Scirocco thing, and there was 
> still this disparity between the GPS and the ASI,
> and the laptop's GPS 
> agreed with the Lowrance GPS, so it's 2:1, but the
> EIS agrees with the ASI 
> perfectly, so now it's 2 to 2.  What's up with
> this...static/pitot has been 
> lying to me or what?  Then I was looking at pictures
> that I took of my 
> laptop screen on the way back from Ohio, and noticed
> the letters "kts" after 
> the speed on the display.  Then I remembered that a
> few weeks ago I updated 
> both the firmware on the Lowrance, and the software
> on the laptop, and they 
> were both reset back to the default of knots rather
> than mph!  Multiply 149 
> mph x 1.15 and correct for TAS and now we're close
> to 178.   I'm a happy boy 
> once again...
> 
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
> mail: N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
> website: www.N56ML.org
> 
> 
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KR> Diehl nosewheel strut brace.

[Randy Smith]

It is easy er to ground loop a TD on pavement than
grass. Once you learn to fly a TD and get a little
time It will be 2nd nature. 
When I started flying a KR TD I had 10 hrs in a PA11.
I now have over 1800 hrs in TD and Have never ground
looped. (I have come close) I do not feel I have any
more spacial flying abilities than anyone Else.  All
you have to do is PAY ATTENTION until you shut her
down.


--- Mark Wegmet  wrote:

> Sorry... the tail dragger mode is looking more
> interesting.
> 
> An 'old guy' I work with said the only major risk of
> a TD (when you learn to
> do it) is ground loop on grass.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net
> [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
> Of Mark Jones
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:16 PM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: KR> Diehl nosewheel strut brace.
> 
> I highly recommend beefing up your Diehl nosewheel
> strut. It is simple and
> easy to do. Here is a link to how I did mine. Eric
> Pitts also did his this
> way. I have seen this on others as well.
> http://www.flykr2s.com/photo.html
> 
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI 
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KR> Oshkosh

[Randy Smith]

The last 8 trips to Oshkosh were planed the day before
I left.My last trip I called a friend Thursday am an
said lets go now. We stayed Friday and Sat. and flew
back to Dallas on Sunday.  When you arrive there are
bulletin boards around with phone # of places to stay.
They also can help you at the sigh in desk or bring a
sleeping bag and tent. They have very good showers and
things on the field. One important thing to bring is
MONEY. Before you arrive get notoms Fly to Ripon keep
you mouth closed listen and follow directions. It is
not that hard.

--- Mark Wegmet  wrote:

> The closest place to sleep is 100 miles away. These
> guys are serious; they
> reserve a year (or more) in advance. You can still
> go, fly in, but expect to
> fly out... contact them, they like home built
> planes, after all; that's what
> EAA is all about.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net
> [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
> Of Bob Glidden
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:55 PM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: KR> Oshkosh
> 
> Mark Wegmet wrote:
> It is too late for this year,but you guy's have some
> fantastic planes...show
> 
> your colors dudes.
> 
> 
> Why is it too late for this year,Oshkosh is not till
> July.
> 
> 
> Bob Glidden
> Eminence,Indiana
> KR2S (Building)
> Corvair 110
> glid...@ccrtc.com 
> 
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KR> KR2 at SWRFI

[Randy Smith]

We arrived at 2 and that was about the only plane
left. What a let done. Almost no vendors. No one was
really willing to negotiate. Wanted a 396 and they
would not budge on the price. cost about $200 in fuel
for nothing.

--- Oscar Zuniga  wrote:

> There was a KR2 at SWRFI, very clean example, really
> outstanding work on the 
> wing root fairings and wheel pants.  A couple of
> photos at 
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/KR/N837JJ.html
> 
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> San Antonio, TX
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KR> Turbo to maintain Sealevel intake manifold pressure

[Randy Smith]

I took a 152 sparrowhawk and a Cherokee 160 To 13000
out of Windover Nev. We flew to Jackson Hole and about
5 or 6 other airports at high altitudes ( one was
9350') before we went back to Salt Lake. Lean and fly,
People do it all the time. I have flown a KR-2 with a
turbo in Dennis Pointers KR before he totaled it and
you had to be careful not to over boost. There is
nothing wrong with a turbo if you make damn sure you
don't ever over boost. It will get you High.
Especially a VW engine.


--- J L  wrote:

> Used to fly a comanche 250 over 10k all the time.
> 
> J
> 
> 
> On 6/3/07, John  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I forgot the piper 180 that took 2 hours to climb
> to 8k feet in the
> > downhill (read downwind) side of a mountain range.
> >
> > I have never gotten anything naturally aspirated
> to 10k.  Perhaps
> > I did not have the time to wait (or the
> distance)..
> >
> > jg
> >
> > Gotta get high fast..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 21:42 -0500, D Lively wrote:
> > > John:
> > >
> > > I would say that your proposed use of a turbo
> charger is its best use but personally have flown
> C-172s to 13,000 & C-182s  to over 15000'  for short
> periods but view 12,500 ft about the limit for
> sustained operation by a non-smoking pilot or
> passenger without Oxygen.  I believe the craft you
> site all have service cielings in the 14000 area
> anyway.  Beware of over-boosting as it can be  hard
> on engines and shorten their life.
> > >
> > > Having been in and out of Prescott AZ several
> times as well as high density altitude conditions in
> the Calif. Central Valley and those of the CA
> deserts I can understand your position very well.
> > >
> > > Don Lively
> > >
>

> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "John" 
> > > To: "KRnet" 
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 9:11 PM
> > > Subject: KR> Turbo to maintain Sealevel intake
> manifold pressure
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I just made a deposit on  a new long block
> 2180 for
> > > > my KR2.
> > > >
> > > > I am in the Seattle area and virtualy
> surrounded by mountains.
> > > >
> > > > I have only 150 hours PIC, but in a pretty
> wide variety of
> > > > craft (C-150, Musketeer, C-172, Champ, C-120,
> > > > C-150 Long range, beech 1900 etc...  All of
> them seem (except the 1900)
> > > > to run out of "guts" at about 9K feet.  I
> can't remember ever making 10k
> > > > feet, they all were naturally aspirated. 
> Going over a 4k to 6k mountain
> > > > range just to leave town leaves me wanting to
> clear those "Don't land
> > > > here" speed bumps by oh, say, 5k or 6k ft. 
> Can't get there from
> > > > "naturally aspirated" here.
> > > >
> > > > I am not a speed or performance demon. I fly
> like I drive:
> > > > sort of slow and methodical.  But I want to
> clear those rocks
> > > > (and the bigger ones east of there) by a wider
> margin.
> > > >
> > > > So,, I want a turbo charger.  I can find one,
> but I have not been able
> > > > to find a controller for the waste gate that
> will limit the intake
> > > > manifold pressure to 29.92 inches of mercury. 
> Or I suppose
> > > > open the waste gate at 3700 rpm.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > jg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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KR> KR2 at SWRFI

[Randy Smith]

That was Saturday The Rv's did there fly over and the
yaks were doing there run up. I guess I remember the
Ker ville days, and there were not that many planes on
the flight line when we arrived. The activity were all
the people leaving. When we went to the vendors area
at 3 they were all ready putting things in boxes and
getting ready to leave. I saw the Hi pass with the
300kt Lance. The yaks and RV's left after there flyby.
Most people I talked to were not impressed at all. If
you want to have a good fly in Have something for the
wives to do and then people will stay the night. 


--- Oscar Zuniga  wrote:

> Randy wrote:
> 
> >We arrived at 2 and that was about the only plane
> left.
> 
> Hmmm... was that Sunday, by any chance?  The fly-in
> was only Fri. and Sat., 
> June 1-2.  Setup was on Thursday and take-down was
> on Sunday.  I was driving 
> a tram at 2 PM on Saturday and the fly-in was fully
> buzzing with activity.  
> That's about the time that the T-6s were flying
> formation with the Yaks, 
> with a sextet of RVs flying formation a few hundred
> feet below them.  The 
> fast glass airplanes had done high-speed fly-bys
> (and I do mean FAST!)- the 
> Columbia and some others.  Incredible speed and
> climb.
> 
> All of the vendor booths were fully manned, people
> were everywhere, and 
> planes were everywhere too.  You must have been
> there on Sunday-?  Sorry it 
> didn't work out for you.  And PS- I don't know what
> they were charging for 
> avgas on the field, but just a few miles away at the
> self-serve at 
> Castroville (T89) it was $3.70.
> 
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
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KR> 28# wings????

[Randy Smith]

My 1st KR-2 wings weighed 31 lbs each. fuel tanks
where in wing stubs
--- Robin Macdonald  wrote:

> Dan,
> 
> I found the newsletter  Aug 83 pge 2,   Q & A
> 
> Q, What should the wings & tail weigh.
> 
> A,  My wings were 28lbs with ailerons installed &
> without balance weights.
>   Rudder  was 3lbs, Horiz Stab 7 lbs, Elevator  
> 5lbs.
> 
> Robin.
> 
> 
> 
> > I am not sure that I would believe the 28# wings. 
> Almost half..  I
> > weighed mine, no tank, 50#.
> >
> > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
> the pics
> > See you at the 2007 - KR Gathering
> > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING
> and the time for Flying
> > has begun.
> > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
> > ---Original Message---
> >
> > In an early KR newsletter someone's wings came in
> at 28lbs.
> >
> 
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KR> Carbon fibre cloth

[Randy Smith]

It has been 15 yrs or better but at 1 of the gatherings Jeanett told a group of 
use that she had an enginer do a load test of the wing and the carry thru spare 
gave out before the attach fittings. She was woried about folks adding wing 
extensions. It was around 92 or 93 Maybe even earler. 

Larry Flesner  wrote:
  At 07:42 AM 5/31/2007, you wrote:
>Hi Darren - Let us know how it works - I am interested in doing the same
>to save a little weight and increase strength.
>
>-dave
++=

The KR has proven over time to be quite strong enough using
the standard KR cloth. With only one layer of glass from the
forward spar to the trail edge, and assuming probably the same
amount of resin, I don't see where the extra cost of carbon fiber
could be justified financially for the weight savings of the cloth
alone which, in all probability, will be about the same. The weight
savings generally comes in using less layers of cloth, which in
this case. you can't do.

The weakest part of the wing is at the attach fittings. Using carbon
fiber won't change that. The chain is only as strong as it's weakest
link and you're not improving the weak link. Carbon fiber is probably
4 times more expensive. The difference would probably buy a nice
hand held radio. :-)

Just a thought from the far side...

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KR> flying

[Randy Smith]

I do know what you mean. I built 1 in 1994 and had to
sell it in 2000. I test flew a couple of KR's in the
area and really missed it. When Les Palmer offered me
his I could not refuse. I have been lucky in that I
have had a chance to fly a number of different
aircraft and the KR is probably about the most fun.
The only 1 that comes close is the RV but compared to
my KR with the 150 hp Subaru the RV can't stay up when
I am wide open.

--- phil brookman <p...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> you hvae no idea to realy appreciate the kr you got
> to be without one for a 
> while, after my ding i realy missit
> the sheer fun and ground eating ability of the
> little beast is realy missed
> i have a tthruster which is gresat for going around
> the block on .
> but thats it
> so people value the mins you spend in your kr there
> is nothing like it
> phil
> ----- Original Message - 
> From: "Randy Smith" <crz...@yahoo.com>
> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 1:24 AM
> Subject: Re: KR> flying
> 
> 
> > Make it even better,I wake up get cleaned up open
> the
> > hanger door and go fly 1 of 3. I can get the KR
> out at
> > about 6 gph at 165 mph, The 47 bellanca at 9 gph
> at
> > 140 mph,or the 74 Bellanca Super Viking at 15 gph
> at
> > 185 mph. Like is GOD.
> >
> >
> > --- Joseph H Horton <joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Well Guys,
> >>  It is hard to describe the thrill of
> going
> >> to a hanger and just
> >> pulling out your very own plane, firing her up
> with
> >> no squawks, departing
> >> into the morning sky just to lazily buzz around
> for
> >> over an hour and a
> >> half, slow flight of 130mph, burning about 4 gal
> an
> >> hour at 2700 rpm.
> >> Just spent the time sight seeing at 1500 to 2500
> ft
> >> (starting to get more
> >> used to being low). Really, just a good time
> >> (actually pretty orgasmic)
> >> Landed with just over 170 hours on N357CJ (as
> good
> >> of a bird as I ever
> >> dreamed of).
> >>  Where are all you guys at?
> >> Joe Horton
> >> Coopersburg, Pa.
> >> joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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KR> RE: Flying

[Randy Smith]

You stopped at one of the BEST BQ places in the middle
states. Anytime I am anywhere near there(up to 45 min
out of the away) I will stop and pick up enough for a
couple of days. The last time I came home with ribs,
The guys at the airport smelled them and by the time I
had the plane in the hangar and a beer in hand all the
ribs were gone. It really ticked me off. 

--- robert7...@aol.com wrote:

> Ok I have one for you.  I took my mother (75+) years
> old to breakfast  
> yesterday (Saturday) for mother's day. Flew from
> Lee's Summit MO LXT to Miami Co  
> Airport KS K81. Saturday was the best flying day so
> far this year for me as the  
> wind was still and the sky was clear as I've seen
> this year.  We ate at the  
> on airport W-Be-BBQ for breakfast. The Biscuits and
> Gravy 1/2 order was $3.50, 
>  my mom had eggs, toast, and hash browns for $4.00.
> Total breakfast cost was  
> $11.00 plus tip.  And for you who wonder if you can
> fly a KR, my mom who  has 
> never flown an airplane before was able to hold it
> straight and level on the  
> return trip after just about 10 minutes.  
>  
> My KR2S has a new paint job (white) and lights. I
> didn't get to the wheel  
> pants yet.  Hope add some striping still.  
>  
> Rob Schmitt
> N1852Z
> _www.robert7721.com_ (http://www.robert7721.com) 
> Kansas City, MO
>  
> 
> 
> 
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KR> insurance

[Randy Smith]

Taildragger or nosewheel makes a difference on
Insurance.Tailwheel counts for more time.
--- kenneth l wiltrout 
wrote:

> Don't feel bad JoeJust pd mine $640
> 
> Kenny
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net
> [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
> Of Joseph H. Horton
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 3:43 PM
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: Re: KR> insurance
> 
> Well Maybe this is all true but it don't make me
> happy. Jones' was $ 150
> less than mine the past year and now 2 more of you
> are saying that your
> quotes are $300 less than my Quote that i just got
> last week, I already
> raised the question with them why mine has not come
> down more. Maybe I
> should compare history sheets to see if i am asking
> for more than you
> guys are. With the exception of Larry I don't think
> that Jones, Langford.
> and I are very far apart in the total time
> experience.
> 
> Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
> joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
>  
> On Tue, 15 May 2007 07:09:04 -0500 Larry
> Flesner
>  writes:
> > At 06:21 AM 5/15/2007, you wrote:
> > >Anyway, I thought I'd check out Sky Smith because
> a lot of folks 
> > >swear by him, so I did.  I got EXACTLY the same
> coverage from him 
> > as 
> > >what I had the year before, through EXACTLY the
> same carrier (AIG), 
> > 
> > >for half the price.  That's $300 that I can do
> something else 
> > with.
> >
>
+
> 
> > 
> > I've had aircraft insurance with SkySmith since
> 1998 and they are 
> > good
> > people to work with.
> > 
> > My "liability only" dropped from $600 last year to
> $332 this year, 
> > the same
> > as yours.  I guess they consider you to be $32
> more responsible 
> > than
> > me !!  :-) My coverage is with AIG also.  The $300
> I saved bought
> > most of the cylinder I needed.
> > 
> > Larry Flesner
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
>  
>  
> Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
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