RE: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making as per Oxford Dictionary
Whenever I'm not sure if a word exists, I check the Oxford Dictionary of Spelling. There it is - quite clearly - lacemaker, lacemaking. Other 'lace' entries are; Lace, laces, laced, lacing, lace-glass, lace-glasses, lace-pillow, lace-up, lacewing, lacewood, lacework, lacey (use lacy) There's no sign of lacer, although American spellings are included if different to English spelling. Now, what are lace-glasses? Liz Pass In Poole,Dorset with another fine day in view. PS The spell checker queried some of the 'lace' words! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] fringed 9 diamonds lace
Leslie Thank you for your kind words about my torchon bobbin lace. I call that piece pink and green consequences. I think of it like this: You start out life with an intention of where you want to go and the path to take you there (start with your pinks and greens in specific places). But as you live you make choices at crucial moments, not always recognizing how crucial that particular moment is at the time. Each choice you make closes off some pathways, permanently, but simultaneously opens up other pathways that you never even knew were there, or never intended to follow. And you end up in a place very different from where you started, very different from what you thought you wanted or intended. But it may be a blessing in disguise, a blessing you never knew or imagined was possible. So in that piece I made up a torchon design, with the peasant spider motif from Cook Stott's grounds, but then threw in color. And made half stitch where I wanted it, but of course, that made all the colors go crazy and every which way. So it is a combination of advance planning and the random accident of which color was where, when I started a half stitch section: the consequences. About 2 months ago I realized that I've ended up fairly near to where I wanted to be when I was 7. But the path has been convoluted and nothing that anybody would have planned or deliberately followed. Being a somewhat deeper thinker than I was at age 7, I value the path. I wouldn't be me without it. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Lacemaking or Lace Making 3
Liz said: Whenever I'm not sure if a word exists, I check the Oxford Dictionary of Spelling. I often watch 'Countdown' - a TV programme where contestants make the longest word from 9 letters selected at random (they do get to choose how many vowels and consonants are in the selection). A lexicographer, who used to work for the Oxford English Dictionary, checks the validity of resulting words. Very often words that used to be hyphenated no longer are (I still refuse to use cooperation instead of co-operation) and many words are now a single word from the combination of what used to be 2 words. The Oxford English Dictionary (as dictionaries in other countries probably are as well) is evolving continuously as our use of words changes. So even if lace maker and lace making are/were 2 words, evolution means they can become one with usage, even though for a while both one single and two separate words can be used. They are even accepting some American spelling of words as being valid alternatives for the UK, eg capitalize instead of our capitalise. As those of us who use these words are those engaged in the activity to describe what we do, I think it's perfectly valid for us to choose which version becomes the correct one, and eventually the other will die from lack of use. We seem to be in favour lacemaker and lacemaking regardless of which dictionary we use. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Lacemaking
Dear Spiders, I'm a lacemaker (one word) and although I make lace, I also play lace. This is an activity that involves 2 people (possibly 3) who spend an afternoon or evening talking about lace, possibly working on a pattern draft or altering a pattern, looking at books (either browsing new ones or checking a few specific references), making additions to the gunna (do someday)list, gossiping about other people's lace or the people themselves, possibly looking at lace pillow and even working through a tricky bit BUT no serious lacemaking. (And my spell check has just objected to lacemaker, lacemaking gunna and spellcheck - I yielded only to the last). Christine Johnson (Sydney, Australia) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making
For our website, I put both lace making and lacemaking as search terms. On ebay I use both too, as for us it widens the web. As a linguist, I think it should be lace making, just like cake baking or basket weaving. Agnes Boddington - chilly Elloughton UK Elizabeth Ligeti wrote: I always use the one word - Lacemaking. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Re: Lacemaking or Lace making
Personally, I don't care for lacer either. Unfortunately, we have it incorporated into our organization's name, The International Old Lacers. At a convention, once, there was a man giving a tour of the hotel and in an effort to demonstrate what a great convention venue it was, he asked me all were. When I said we were Lacers, thinking that he might recognize the group, he got a blank look on his face, and slowly repeated what he thought I had said, which was Lasers. Clearly, he was having trouble associating hundreds of middle-aged women with a powerful beam of light. There is also an anecdote, that I cannot verify, that one of our convention hotels ordered extra liquor for our convention thinking that we were a group that like to lace our drinks, ie, some form of drinking club. I feel that I lace my shoes, but make lace for a hobby. Devon In a message dated 3/19/2009 1:34:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, twohappyb...@aol.com writes: -Original Message- From: Tamara P Duvall t...@rockbridge.net To: Lace Arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:50 pm Subject: [lace] Re: Lacemaking or Lace making I don't lace; I make lace. I'm a lacemaker and engage -- with zest -- in lacemaking. Yes! I don't know if it is an Americanism as has been suggested, but I'm one who does not care for the word lacer either. Let's fix that one too while we're at itg Vicki in Maryland USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com **Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029050x1201385914/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212974460%3B34272906%3Bh) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Re: Lacemaking or Lace making
Hello Everybody, first I wouldn't say anything to this subject because English isn't my mother tongue. But my feeling likes lace making more than lacemaking. On the other hand written as one word could sometimes more clearly than in two. I am lucky, in German we have not Spitzenmachen or Spitzen machen we have klöppeln also we are lacemakers ;-)) And we are Klöppler/innnen. Best wishes if you are doing lacemaking or lace making Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Lacemaking
Interesting thread...but I would like to make one comment - I usually say that I 'work' lace not 'make' lace. Karen in Malta -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Christine Johnson Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:13 PM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Lacemaking Dear Spiders, I'm a lacemaker (one word) and although I make lace, I also play lace. This is an activity that involves 2 people (possibly 3) who spend an afternoon or evening talking about lace, possibly working on a pattern draft or altering a pattern, looking at books (either browsing new ones or checking a few specific references), making additions to the gunna (do someday)list, gossiping about other people's lace or the people themselves, possibly looking at lace pillow and even working through a tricky bit BUT no serious lacemaking. (And my spell check has just objected to lacemaker, lacemaking gunna and spellcheck - I yielded only to the last). Christine Johnson (Sydney, Australia) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making-style manual needed
Thank you Robin. It does make sense. I first encountered this problem when I read the Antique Laces of the American Collectors. Then I devised my slide show which I called The Laces of the Robber Barons. But the more I said the title, the worse it sounded. Now I refer to it as The Lace of the Robber Barons, on the theory that E.B.White, author of the classic American style book, said, that if it doesn't sound right, don't say it. What would you say the correct title of my slide show should be? Devon In a message dated 3/19/2009 1:43:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, robinl...@socal.rr.com writes: dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: Another English language style issue which needs resolution in an official lace style manual is whether the plural of lace is lace or laces. Lace can be like fish (the words, not the objects!). Several of the same species are fish. Several different species are fishes. When talking about the laces of several regions, it's pluralized. When talking about the category of textiles, we say lace is made in many lands. Note that the verb is singlular (is, not are), so lace is singlular. I would say I have five pieces of lace, but again this is using lace as a category, not a bunch of objects. It's late, I'm tired, and I suspect this doesn't make much sense, but I've tried Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA robinl...@socal.rr.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com **Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029050x1201385914/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212974460%3B34272906%3Bh) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Lacemaking
Adding my $2 (I don't come cheap) to this thread, I do lace with tongue-in-cheek. Many years ago, a couple of lacemakers would comment, Shall we do lace on Monday? Then Virginia deemed that we can have personal license plates for our cars if we're willing to pay the annual fee. Making a hasty trip to the local motor vehicle department, I found that Lace and other lace related titles were already taken. Thus, was born do lace for my license plate. Then a computer was born in my house. What other e-mail addy would I have but dol...@whatever-server-i'm using? So...I'm a lacemaker who loves lacemaking and will often invite friends to come over and do lace. Happy Lacemaking,Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making-style manual needed
I have no problem with The Laces of the Robber Barons, as you are speaking of many pieces types of lace and several collectors/people who collected them. To me the singular 'Lace of the Robber Barons' doesn't sound 'quite' correct. Just my 2 cents worth. But seeing the program was worth much more than that!!! Lorri Thank you Robin. It does make sense. I first encountered this problem when I read the Antique Laces of the American Collectors. Then I devised my slide show which I called The Laces of the Robber Barons. But the more I said the title, the worse it sounded. Now I refer to it as The Lace of the Robber Barons, on the theory that E.B.White, author of the classic American style book, said, that if it doesn't sound right, don't say it. What would you say the correct title of my slide show should be? Devon arachnemodera...@yahoo.commailto:arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Lace maker vs. lacemaker
There isn't really a right and a wrong in these matters of usage. Authoritative dictionaries are not much help. Long periods of time and changes in taste are what ultimately settle such questions. Try any of the following: dress maker -- shoe maker -- book seller -- hair dresser -- brick layer -- school teacher -- type writer I think we might prefer: dressmaker, shoemaker, bookseller, hairdresser, bricklayer, schoolteacher, typewriter. Those of us who love language do get to have strong feelings about these things. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making-style manual needed
Devon, in my opinion this title The Laces of the Robber Barons. sounds ok. I am sure you speak from more then one piece so it is clearer to say laces. Only my idea Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making
I prefer one word - lacemaking. That's how I usually write it. No one questions 'shoemaker' and it's usually written as one word, why not lacemaker Go with whatever you like. We all know what you mean and we're the ones who will be using your book. Alice in Oregon -- where I'll be giving a talk on my OIDFA trip today to a group of ladies On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com wrote: I have just received the proofs for Edition 5, and the graphics people have queried Lacemaking in the title and suggest Lace making. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making
Ditto for me. Lacemaker...not lace maker. Cearbhael I prefer one word - lacemaking. That's how I usually write it. No one questions 'shoemaker' and it's usually written as one word, why not lacemaker - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making-style manual needed
This may be the UK/US divide, or it may just be my personal opinion G: I think the plural of fish is fish, however many different species you may have. And similarly with sheep: lots of them are still sheep. And lace too: however many pieces of however many styles you have, the word is still just lace. The word laces makes me think of shoes; and Laces of the Robber Barons, to me, implies the strings which hold the fronts of their jackets together G. Very Errol Flynn! Also I'm a lacemaker, and what I do is lacemaking. As I say, this may not be correct, but it's how my mind works here in the UK, with a Scottish upbringing ... Margery. margerybu...@o2.co.uk in North Hertfordshire, UK -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of dmt11h...@aol.com Sent: Thursday 19 March 2009 14:03 To: robinl...@socal.rr.com; lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making-style manual needed Thank you Robin. It does make sense. I first encountered this problem when I read the Antique Laces of the American Collectors. Then I devised my slide show which I called The Laces of the Robber Barons. But the more I said the title, the worse it sounded. Now I refer to it as The Lace of the Robber Barons, on the theory that E.B.White, author of the classic American style book, said, that if it doesn't sound right, don't say it. What would you say the correct title of my slide show should be? Devon In a message dated 3/19/2009 1:43:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, robinl...@socal.rr.com writes: dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: Another English language style issue which needs resolution in an official lace style manual is whether the plural of lace is lace or laces. Lace can be like fish (the words, not the objects!). Several of the same species are fish. Several different species are fishes. When talking about the laces of several regions, it's pluralized. When talking about the category of textiles, we say lace is made in many lands. Note that the verb is singlular (is, not are), so lace is singlular. I would say I have five pieces of lace, but again this is using lace as a category, not a bunch of objects. It's late, I'm tired, and I suspect this doesn't make much sense, but I've tried Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA robinl...@socal.rr.com - - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Lacemaking or Lace making
Thank you to everyone who has replied to this thread, far too many to reply to individually, but Noelene the poem is lovely - I've printed it out to stick into the back of my copy. I'm pleased that the large majority of you prefer lacemaking as one word. That's what it has been for the first four editions, and will be for Ed5. Re: lacing, I think that's probably an American expression but I have noticed that some of Terry's birdwatching friends sign emails with 'happy birding' instead of 'happy bird watching', though I suppose that 'birding' could include writing up notes etc whilst bird-watching is just looking through the binoculars. And guess what - birdwatching is queried but bird watching is accepted by Mail! Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lacemaking - Dolace
Dear Betty Ann, This is a great story. It reminded me of the day Lacefairy (Lori) arrived at my house with a newly-purchased automobile with a vanity license plate Lacefry. I was quite confused. Lacefry? Something about cooking lace? Small lace creatures? A group or class of unique lace people? Lori replied that there was a limit of 8 letters or numbers, so she left out the last two vowels. Imagine what people who do not know her interpret this to mean!!! :) Jeri Ames in Maine Lace and Embroidery Resource Center In a message dated 3/19/2009 10:23:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dol...@verizon.net writes: Virginia deemed that we can have personal license plates for our cars if we're willing to pay the annual fee. Making a hasty trip to the local motor vehicle department, I found that Lace and other lace related titles were already taken. Thus, was born do lace for my license plate. Then a computer was born in my house. What other e-mail addy would I have but dol...@whatever-server-i'm using? So...I'm a lacemaker who loves lacemaking and will often invite friends to come over and do lace. Happy Lacemaking, Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia USA **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lacemaking - Dolace
And I'm very pleased with my number plate - LTL GREY If you look carefully to see what make my silver car is, the symbol tells you it's a Volkswagen Rabbit*! (I carry a copy of Little Grey Rabbit makes Lace in the boot / trunk to explain to non-lacemakers) Sue * This waht the USA calls VW Golfs. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lace on licence plates
James spoke about Lori's Lacefry license plate. I wanted to use Ms Lace as my first choice -- someone else had it, also. Maybe that was Jeri. I settled for something better - Ms Lace, which goes right along with me new name. I got lucky. Diane Z Lubec, Maine, USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lace on licence plates
My vanity plate says BBNLACE, and I'm in Virginia. While in Rockford last year for IOLI, I immediately spotted another BBNLACE tag, I think from Illinois. Does anyone on this list have this tag? Clay Tamara P Duvall wrote: On Mar 19, 2009, at 15:36, jeria...@aol.com wrote: It reminded me of the day Lacefairy (Lori) arrived at my house with a newly-purchased automobile with a vanity license plate Lacefry.[...] Imagine what people who do not know her interpret this to mean!!! :) My licence plate used to be TNLACE, which I thought was quite straightforward. Then, someone visiting asked why Tennessee, if you live in Virginia? (TN is the abbreviation for Tennessee). So, now, it's T N LACE and nobody asks me any questions about it any more :) Vis the plural of fish and sheep, versus plural of trousers, pants and scissors. We treat them differently, because they're vestigial remnants of a more complex counting system. We now have only singular (one) and plural (more than one). But there used to be singular, dual, group and plural. Fish and sheep are remnants of group number, trousers etc of dual number. It's easier in Polish, where we *still* have all four (though also in vestigial form), with their own special endings. English has gotten rid of all the grammatical non-essentials :) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] lacefry
thinking of Lori as a lace person whose name everybody knows: on seeing lacefry the first thing that comes to mind is belfry. And what do belfries have in them? Bats. But in this case it's not bats, but lace in the belfry, hence lacefry. And that applies to ALL of us. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
