[lace] Honiton lace motifs on Ebay

[Laurie Waters]

There's an interesting set of Honiton lace motifs on Ebay, item#
154510175565.  It is labeled "Made by Margery Gaunt".  Does anyone recognize
this name? The pieces don't look modern, and if this an archive of a
particular maker, it would be important. Then again, maybe that's just the
person who made the display.

Thanks,

Laurie

 


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[lace] Honiton Lace research query

[Nicky Hoewener-Townsend]

Hi Brian
Honiton lace comprised of motifs that were either connected together by
‘brides’ or mounted onto a net ground for making up into the finished
article, so perhaps the term lace sewer is referring to the women whose job
this was?

The term lace worker may have been used interchangeably for either the lace
maker or the lace sewer? During my own research of villages within a 10 mile
radius and across the range of the different census years I found that the
terms lace maker, lace weaver and lace worker were used, but that which one
depended very much upon the individual enumerator. I found that each was
consistent in their use of term throughout their recording. I also found that
a woman described as a lace worker in one census might well be described by
one of the alternatives in a subsequent census again depending on who the
enumerator was. There is usually a page for each district that states who the
enumerator was, some enumerators covered more than one district and some did
the job for more than one census year.

Nicky H-T  in Suffolk UK


>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 17:01:24 +1000
> From: 
> Subject: [lace] census records and definitions
>
> May of you will know that we have nothing more than two names that were
> recorded by Gertude Whiting as being maker  of Honiton lace bobbins.  They
> are  Mr Miller and Mr Goode.  They appear both to be Beer residents, though
> it is possible that Mr Millers mother married again (??)  I am guessing the
> Gertrude Whiting visited in the 1920s.
>
> I have read most of the books about Devon lace/ families etc, but not a
> mention of bobbin decorators.  Am I fated to never know who made them and
> who decorated them?  (leave aside seamen, perhaps shepherds or possibly
> children (Na飗e bobbins)
>
>

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[lace] Honiton Lace in Yokohama

[DevonThein]

Thanks to a reply sent only to me, I have had my attention drawn to the quote
in the Dover edition of Palliser (1914)  on p. 417 “The versatile Japanese
have copied the Honiton method of makin gbobbin lace. The Government have
encouraged a school at Yokohama for pillow lace making, under the supervision
of an English lady where they turn out lace of a distinctive Japanese
character”.

Also provided was this link: See also
americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/nmah_633966

It is a photo of a piece of Honiton lace that has a look reminiscent of
Origami.
I did a bit of a search on Honiton and Japan, and found a reference to a
catalog from an exhibition in which there were pieces identified as Japanese
Honiton submitted in 1885, although sadly, no photos.

Doe anyone have any information on this?

Devon

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[lace] Honiton lace

[ann.humphreys]

I have found a piece of Honiton lace I made about 15 years ago and which I 
thought was lost. Unfortunately it has become slightly discoloured and has a 
small stain on it (no idea what). It is a very delicate piece and I would like 
to restore it. Any ideas please. 

Ann
UK

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Re: [lace] Honiton lace

[Diana Smith]

Please send replies to the lace list as I have a similar problem. Thanks for
beginning this thread Ann.
Best wishes
Diana in Northants

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Re: [lace] Honiton Lace - Wet Cleaning

[Jeriames]

In a message dated 11/13/2014 4:29:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
ann.humphr...@talktalk.net writes:

...a  piece of Honiton lace I made about 15 years ago  has become 
slightly  discoloured and has a small stain on it (no idea what). It is a very 
delicate  piece and I would like to restore it. 
Ann, UK
-
To my conservation and restoration followers.
 
Let us imagine I'll not be able to answer a question like this.   Please go 
to the notebook you have been keeping - paper copies of my  recommendations 
- and locate one that best suits Honiton.  
 
Verify the memo you found is in our archives.  Memos appear  to have been 
shortened and the type face changed, which is why I ask that  you verify all 
the information is still there.
 
http://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com
 
To find the appropriate memo, insert in Search box Jeri Ames,  (insert 
memo date).
 
The Archives are very important to us, and we should all want to be  sure 
they will work in future.  If all is well, send the Archive  information in a 
memo to Arachne.  Thank you !
---
Ann (and Diana):
 
We always start with the least drastic approach.
 
As to your requests, be sure the tiny Honiton motif does not go down  the 
drain !  Cut a rectangular piece of soft tulle net (not the  scratchy kind) 
or see-through fabric about 5 x 10 for a motif; larger for  larger piece.  
Fold in half to make a square.   Open, and put the  Honiton in the center, 
then fold again to make a sandwich.  Baste around  the tiny motif (not into 
it) so it will not move from the center.   It  is now ready to float - in no 
more than one inch of Orvus soapy distilled  water at room temperature.  
 
You did not say what has caused the discoloration.  If it was from  acid 
burn, the sodium lauryl sufate soap named Orvus (Procter  Gamble  product 
used by museums) will neutralize that.  Will some one in  the UK advise where 
to get it in small quantities, please?  The 5 net  square is so small, you 
can use a glass bowl instead of a large  basin.
 
You'll be able to look at the lace through the net to see if it  is 
cleaner.  It can soak for quite a while, with regular monitoring.   Start with 
15-30 minutes.  As the threads expand from water, they may  release the 
unidentified stain. 
 
Hold the net sandwich to the side when pouring off soapy water and  when 
pouring in rinse water.  At the finger pressing stage, you can  leave lace in 
the sandwich and finger press on a clean plate that you can  then put 
somewhere safe, away from children and pets.  It will dry  quickly.  How does 
it 
look?
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center 

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[lace] Honiton Lace Equipment - Bobbins and Pillows

[Jeriames]

The shapes of bobbins and of pillows was  established generations ago, when 
lace making was an industry  and speed was essential, no matter which type 
of lace was being made.   Generations of experience are behind the various 
styles of bobbins and  pillows.  In the case of Honiton, the very pointed 
ends of slender bobbins,  in combination with pillow shape, serve several 
purposes.
 
The pointed slender bobbins are unique to Honiton.  The  points are used 
for the lace technique called sewing - when a  design curves back on itself 
and the new part must be attached to the old  during the making of the lace.  
(This technique is also  used in the coarser tape laces of Eastern Europe 
and Russia,  where the bobbins have points but are much sturdier for the 
heavier  thread.)  The Honiton bobbin weight is suitable for  very fine thread. 
 
Honiton lace is worked on a special high  domed round pillow shape that will 
allow idle bobbins to hang down the  pillow sides and gently borrow 
weight from gravity for natural help in  tensioning the threads.  For final 
tensioning, the bobbins are  stroked with flattened fingers.
 
A traditional round Honiton pillow is balanced on the kne es and  rests 
against a table edge.  There are photos on the book jacket and inside  The 
Technique of Honiton Lace by Elsie Luxton, along with suggested dimensions  
for a Honiton pillow.  G**gle this book title and author to see a book  cover 
picture.
 
Honiton pillows are made by hand with careful placement of seams:  round 
top, round bottom, and a connecting band around the middle, filled with  
finely chopped straw (barley being preferred by many) to make the top  domed.  
Placing several staggered sizes of felted wool circles under  the working 
surface will ease it into a smoother sloped dome and  a cushion that is kind to 
easily-bent pins.  These circles can be  attached to the outside of the firm 
case the straw is in, before you put a  pretty cover over all.  Pre-wash 
and machine dry the felted wool  thoroughly.  Old World War II blankets are 
good for making the felted  circles.  Never use synthetic felt for this 
purpose.   
 
It is possible to make 2 surfaces for making lace, top and  bottom.  A 
plump pillow can be stored in a  shallow handle-less flat-bottomed round basket 
that has  been covered by fabric.  Some may prefer working with a such  a 
basket under the lace pillow.  Depends on table and chair that you  use.
 
There are 149 memos in Arachne archives under Honiton Pillows:
 
http://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/ 
 
See options at the Honiton Museum site (and look around at other  
interesting things):
 
http://www.honitonlace.com/honitonlace/catalogue/pillows.htm
 
As for Lyn's problem with hitches.  I think that a  professional working 
many hours a day, every day, sitting in front of  the same pillow in the same 
chair, and having few rest breaks, would not have  the problems cited.   
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center

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[lace] Honiton lace on royal shawl

[Bev Walker]

Hello everyone

If I had seen this photo before I could make lace, I would have admired the
infant Princess only. Now I appreciate the lace too.
There are conventional, pleasing Honiton sprigs attached to a veiling, in
an exceptional, well-composed photograph.

*http://tinyurl.com/honitononnet*

-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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[lace] Honiton lace shop

[Julie Ourom]

I was in Honiton a year or so back, spent a weekend there.  I thought I wrote
a posting to Arachne, but maybe not.  The lace shop was definitely closed,
very little traces of it.  The museum was open, just winding down for the
season at the time, and well worth a visit.  Lots to buy in the shop!  It's a
lovely little town to spend time wandering around - lots of nice cafes (but
surprisingly little in the way of accommodation), lace and other murals on
exterior walls and very pretty countryside.


JulieO in Whitehorse, Yukon/Vancouver, BC

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Re: [lace] Honiton lace shop

[Vivienne Walton]

I went many many years ago and was distressed to see they took large pieces of 
lace apart to sell in smaller sections. Vivienne

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On 10 Oct 2012, at 17:53, Julie Ourom cro...@northwestel.net wrote:

 I was in Honiton a year or so back, spent a weekend there.  I thought I wrote
 a posting to Arachne, but maybe not.  The lace shop was definitely closed,
 very little traces of it.  The museum was open, just winding down for the
 season at the time, and well worth a visit.  Lots to buy in the shop!  It's a
 lovely little town to spend time wandering around - lots of nice cafes (but
 surprisingly little in the way of accommodation), lace and other murals on
 exterior walls and very pretty countryside.
 
 
 JulieO in Whitehorse, Yukon/Vancouver, BC
 
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Re: [lace] Honiton lace shop

[Claire Allen]

I was in Honiton earlier this year and the Lace Shop is now a Chinese 
restaurant. :o( All that's left is the words carved into the stonework of the 
building and a plaque on the wall with a very brief history.


Claire Allen
www.bonitocrafts.co.uk
Crafty stuff I want to show off.



On 10 Oct 2012, at 20:06, Vivienne Walton wrote:

 I went many many years ago and was distressed to see they took large pieces 
 of lace apart to sell in smaller sections. Vivienne
 
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Re: [lace] honiton lace

[viv . lace]

Hi Friends
I've just returned from a Honiton lace course with Pat (Perryman).
We all saw a copy of the transmission from ITV in the West Country. It was
wonderful to see the exhibits in the museum with Pat's unique insight into
their history, provenance etc.
I note that several of you have honed in on the
speaker's lace worn by Betty Boothroyd when escorting Nelson Mandela. Do you
all know that it was made when Bernard Wetherall was the speaker? It has
motifs from the four countries that make up the United Kingdom and took over
1500 hours to make. It's currently on display at the All Hallows Museum in
Honiton (See link below, although the museum may change what lace is on
display at their discretion)
http://www.honitonmuseum.org/index.php?page=visitor-information
   
Honiton is
a great lace to make. If anyone wants to have  go - Do! 
Don't be put off by
the fine thread (fine Bucks, Milanese and other fine laces also use the 120
thread that is the staple for modern Honiton.) 
Just don't do a torchon tug
with the thread!
 
Viv 
Worcestershire UK
Where summer is here at last (at
least for two days!)

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Re: [lace] honiton lace

[Jacquie Tinch]

Although Milanese 'can' be made with 120 thread, it is more usually made with 
80 or even thicker. 

My first two bigger Milanese pieces were both made in 120. The first is hybrid 
Honiton/Milanese bird, started with Pat Perryman but using Milanese braids to 
relieve the tedium of many lengths of cloth stitch raised and rolled work. 

The second was pure Milanese and because of the fine thread lacks a lot of the 
impact it would have had worked at bit larger with a courser thread. It is a 
piece of lace that needs close inspection. 

Although I still like the first, the second one irritates me as all the work 
put into it would have been better spent working it bigger. One day 
perhaps..

Both are in my arachne Webshots album. 

Cheers, Jacquie I'm Lincolnshire. 

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[lace] honiton lace

[sue]

We have just watched our local news in the West Country in the UK where they
did an article on lost industries.  Todays piece was about Honiton lace and
they did a good interview piece with Pat Perryman working her lace and talking
about the Honiton lace industry in Victorias reign.  I even had enough warning
to fire up the recorder so I can watch it again.
Sue T
Dorset UK

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RE: [lace] Honiton Lace Shop and accommodations Honiton

[Ruth Hollands]

Devon

DH and I stayed outside Honiton last summer.  Sadly the shop is closed and
the premises are now a restaurant.  There is another shop a few doors down
which disappointingly only sells a few old bobbins and a few pieces of lace
already made, all of which are rather pricey .  The Allhallows Lace Museum
is however well worth a visit and they sell a few basic items for Honiton
lace making and some patterns.  During the summer they also have ladies
demonstrating Honiton lace making.

I cannot advise on accommodation though.  We stayed in a caravan park up in
the hills outside the town.

Ruth

I sent an email to the site listed as that of the Honiton Lace Shop, but  
did not receive a reply. Does anyone have any up to date information about 
this  business? I gather that the shop in Honiton was closed. My impression
is 
that  the restaurant with a lace theme that was planned, does not seem to 
exist. I get  the impression that the lace operation was moved to a farm or 
barn outside  of town. But, I am at a bit of a dead end, because I am not 
sure that there is  anything left of this business to visit.
 
Also, has anyone stayed in Honiton or near by? Our hotel search is not  
going well. We are not going in high summer. However, it would appear that
the  
accommodations in the area are largely oriented to people on self 
catering  holidays who are staying for a week.

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[lace] Honiton Lace Shop and accommodations Honiton

[Dmt11home]

I sent an email to the site listed as that of the Honiton Lace Shop, but  
did not receive a reply. Does anyone have any up to date information about 
this  business? I gather that the shop in Honiton was closed. My impression is 
that  the restaurant with a lace theme that was planned, does not seem to 
exist. I get  the impression that the lace operation was moved to a farm or 
barn outside  of town. But, I am at a bit of a dead end, because I am not 
sure that there is  anything left of this business to visit.
 
Also, has anyone stayed in Honiton or near by? Our hotel search is not  
going well. We are not going in high summer. However, it would appear that the  
accommodations in the area are largely oriented to people on self 
catering  holidays who are staying for a week.
 
Devon
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Re: [lace] Honiton Lace Shop and accommodations Honiton

[Jean Nathan]

Was the email address you tried the one on this site:

http://www.honitonlace.com/honitonlace/shop/contact.htm

Results from googling didn't work.

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK


  I sent an email to the site listed as that of the Honiton Lace Shop, but
  did not receive a reply. Does anyone have any up to date information about
  this  business? I gather that the shop in Honiton was closed. My impression
is
  that  the restaurant with a lace theme that was planned, does not seem to
  exist. I get  the impression that the lace operation was moved to a farm or
  barn outside  of town. But, I am at a bit of a dead end, because I am not
  sure that there is  anything left of this business to visit.

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[lace] Honiton lace wedding veil

[Janis Savage]

Congratulations Annette on a stunning piece of work. Your daughter must be 
so proud of you and I am sure that it will be a family heirloom to be worn 
for many generations to come.

from Janis Savage
In Honeydew South Africa
where I have been in the lace doldrums for a while, but I feel some 
inspiration coming on!!


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[lace] Honiton lace

[Elizabeth Ligeti]

I have been demonstrating at a Bush Festival all day (and more tomorrow!), 
and a lady visited our stand who was recently back from England.  She went 
to Honiton, but could not find any lace to see.  she asked at the Tourist 
bureau where she could find some lace, and they said nowhere.  She knew 
the Lace shop was closed.  I suggested that there might be some at the 
Allhallows Museum, but I was not sure about that.  Next time she goes there 
she will enquire, she said - and check the Internet beforehand!


But I found this strange, - that she could not find any lace to look at in 
Honiton.


I don't think she is a lacemaker, just someone who likes to look at pretty 
lace!  I did point her in the way of Bedford!! (My home town, where I went 
to school!) and the Cecil Higgins, and Bedford Museums, -- but no lace 
in Honiton - what Is the world coming to?!


Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz
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Re: [lace] Honiton lace

[Fran Higham]

Elizabeth Ligeti [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I have been demonstrating at a Bush Festival all day (and more tomorrow!),
 and a lady visited our stand who was recently back from England.  She went
 to Honiton, but could not find any lace to see.  she asked at the Tourist
 bureau where she could find some lace, and they said nowhere.  She knew
 the Lace shop was closed.  I suggested that there might be some at the
 Allhallows Museum, but I was not sure about that

There was certainly lots of it in the Allhallows Museum when I was there a
couple of years ago Liz.  There was also a lady demonstating lace making too
in the lace section of the Museum - the lace part of the museum was a
separate and quite distinct section of the Museum and although it is only a
small local museum it has a very nice feel to it.

I remember it well as I made a point of going specifically to Honiton to see
the Museum as my Grt Grandfather was a Lace Manufacturer who was born in the
area.  I got chipped by the man at the counter for buying Midlands bobbins
whilst in Honiton. :-))

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Re: [lace] Honiton lace

[Eve Morton]

Hi,

This is the website of the museum. I suppose that it is possible that 
the lady visited on a Saturday afternoon or a Sunday when the museum is 
closed.

http://www.honitonmuseum.co.uk/

Eve
London, UK.

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RE: [lace] Honiton lace

[Viv Dewar]

The Lace Museum at Honiton is a must for anyone who can fit it in to
their trip to Devon (UK). My DH doesn't (and won't!) make lace but he
was fascinated by the quality of the lace and the exhibition thereof. -
Of course I was in heaven!
The museum is small and includes details of local history other than
lace but the volunteers are knowledgible and very friendly. For those
interested in taking up Honiton lace they also have a range of supplies
(bobbins, pillows, and everything!)
Opening times are on the official website - www.honitonmuseum.co.uk -
Please visit them if you can
BTW - I'm a newish but enthusiastic Honiton lace maker without any
financial tie to the museum.
Viv
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Subject: Re: [lace] Honiton lace

Elizabeth Ligeti [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I have been demonstrating at a Bush Festival all day (and more
tomorrow!),
 and a lady visited our stand who was recently back from England.  She
went
 to Honiton, but could not find any lace to see.  she asked at the
Tourist
 bureau where she could find some lace, and they said nowhere.  She
knew
 the Lace shop was closed.  I suggested that there might be some at the
 Allhallows Museum, but I was not sure about that

There was certainly lots of it in the Allhallows Museum when I was there
a
couple of years ago Liz.  There was also a lady demonstating lace making
too
in the lace section of the Museum - the lace part of the museum was a
separate and quite distinct section of the Museum and although it is
only a
small local museum it has a very nice feel to it.

I remember it well as I made a point of going specifically to Honiton to
see
the Museum as my Grt Grandfather was a Lace Manufacturer who was born in
the
area.  I got chipped by the man at the counter for buying Midlands
bobbins
whilst in Honiton. :-))

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Re: [lace] Honiton Lace Pillow

[Thelacebee]

In a message dated 13/10/2004 23:03:36 GMT Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 Hi Everyone
 I live in the UK and want to acquire a Honiton pillow. 
 I'm a Honiton beginner, but since earlier this year I've been dabbling
 with a straw domed pillow now want to go for the real McCoy
 Please could you advise on your experiences of using/buying the same. Is
 straw the best?
 None of the suppliers I've used regularly to buy from through mail order
 seem to stock them so I'd like to have some recommendations. Please use
 your discretion as to whether a reply would be of interest to the list
 as a whole and should be posted there, or whether it relates to the
 commercial transaction only should therefore come to me off-list
 I am coming to Somerset (Yeovil area) on 23 October and could detour to
 collect. If any UK suppliers want to e-mail with details of prices etc -
 please do, but to me not the list!
 Many thanks
 viv
 

I have a polystrene honiton pillow by Rosemarie Robertson which I bought over 
10 years ago and have loved ever since - the pillow is lightweight enough to 
sit on my lap for hours yet heavy enough that it doesn't move about.  
Rosemarie always covers her pillows in felt before putting on the cover and this stops 
the surface from degrading.

I adore working on polystrene pillows for three main reasons; because the 
weight is so much easier, they are kinder to your pins and they don't need to be 
flea sprayed or microwaved to kill bugs but I know people who would never 
consider working with anything but straw.  Personal preference.

The best advice for honiton I was given was by Dennis Hornsby who suggested I 
got a cushion cover and loosely filled it with polystrene beads so that I 
could put this on my lap then put the pillow on top of it thus giving the pillow 
support and preventing it from rolling around.  Works wonders.

Regards

Liz in London

I'm back blogging my latest lace piece - have a look by clicking on the link 
or going to http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee

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[lace] Honiton Lace Pillow

[Viv Dewar]

Hi Everyone
I live in the UK and want to acquire a Honiton pillow. 
I'm a Honiton beginner, but since earlier this year I've been dabbling
with a straw domed pillow  now want to go for the real McCoy
Please could you advise on your experiences of using/buying the same. Is
straw the best?
None of the suppliers I've used regularly to buy from through mail order
seem to stock them so I'd like to have some recommendations. Please use
your discretion as to whether a reply would be of interest to the list
as a whole and should be posted there, or whether it relates to the
commercial transaction only  should therefore come to me off-list
I am coming to Somerset (Yeovil area) on 23 October and could detour to
collect. If any UK suppliers want to e-mail with details of prices etc -
please do, but to me not the list!
Many thanks
viv

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[lace] Honiton Lace

[Viv Dewar]

Dear Friends
Thank you to everyone who replied to my questions about Honiton. They
were varied and all helpful and encouraging. I'll follow everyone's
advice at some stage or other!
I've begun by enlarging the prickings in the book I have to work them in
tanne 80. I've finished patterns 1  2 and have put images in the
Arachne webshots album. I had a bit of a scissor problem with the second
piece. I had finished the half stitch leaf and was trimming the threads
off when I snipped the knot on the thread I had tied round the bunch.
(Couldn't have seen to do that if I tried!)
I still feel inspired and have sent a cheque off to one of my favourite
suppliers to buy a couple of Honiton bobbins, Susanne Thompson's book
and some 120/2 cotton. So fine beginner's pieces will be on the agenda
next weekend!
Bye for now - pattern 3 is divided leaves with a curved stem
Viv

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[lace] Honiton lace manufacturers

[apcdlally]

Hi all

I've just resubscribed after a couple of months off the list and it's nice to
be back.

This is one for all you history buffs

I have recently met a lady who is researching and writing a book on her family
history.

She is a direct descendant of one Eliza Darvall, who was granted royal
appointment as lace manufacturer of Honiton lace from Queen Victoria in1842.
Eliza is mentioned briefly in Dr Yallop's book (but he spells her name
Darwall)
My friend has inherited many letters and some original designs and prickings
from Charles Darvall, Eliza's son, who designed lace for his mothers
business.

I was wondering if any of you who have access to museums, old prickings etc.(
prickings may be signed C.G.D. ) have ever come across either of these two
names. Any information could help fill in some of the gaps.

Thanks
Annette in Melbourne Australia
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