Re: [linux] Meeting for August.
It has only occurred to me in retrospect, that linux-ottawa / oclug publishes the email list publicly on the internet, and that I am using unobfuscated keywords that often get topics I've talked about 'flagged' and blocked or other similar things like shadow banning, etc on social media, and that this could have consequences for linux-ottawa / oclug as well, and I am sorry I am bringing this up in retrospect, rather than having thought it through more carefully before sending information to the list. Sorry if this causes problems, open to suggestions on better ways to do things... (but even alternate words and keywords can probably be sussed out by advanced systems/ algorithms, even if it sometimes still works to elude basic word/ bot filters sometimes still (but over time, more processing is sometimes alotted, and sites often keep archives of the data, so if it doesn't too 'serious processing' right away, eventually various things might come up in a 'queue' to be processed more, and 'deciphered' and various consequences occuring, although possibly delayed, and people may not realize the connection between the consequences and the original actions, by that point..., concealing the causes of effects is a technique that can help hide the source of consequences, ie conceal their activities, agendas, influence, so people don't make the connection and things / interests can continue to operate 'invisibly', except in the case with groups like wigi-peeks and fl1tt3r ph1l3s where internal documents or testimonies under oath in congress reveal what was going on behind the scenes, who were pulling strings, etc., sometimes in a way which is proveable, could have consequences for the interests who are showng to have taken the actions, and potentially then, that actions can be taken to potentially limit those kinds of behaviour, or at least to try to have some kind of oversite that it is happening, and by whom, and for what reason, etc.). see project 573114r W1nd that 3dw4rd b1nn3y 3xp0s3d for more on 'long term storage of private data', it got a little bit 'missed' with the 5n0wd3n d1scl0sur3s sorry I know weird writing like this also fl4g5 stuff but hopefully it helps in the short term... 'grammarly' / auto correct / translation services as decryption and as part of 'intention and behaviour prediction' type algorithms, like 'psychic mode' for chat /fb etc, where the partially complete or unsent data is sent right away, including corrections and changes, to servers, and the fact that someone is 'typing a message' is sent to the person you are intending to send to, so they know you are typing, before the message is actually sent (wiki type function of saving all versions to be able to go back and see all things that were typed, so you can't say, in a google doc, have a private conversation like chat, where you type to someone, they read it, then you delete it in real time, and no record is left, DOESN'T happen, because all versions of things are saved by server, which helps prevent hacking and some kinds of abuse like that, to restore, but also compromises privacy and anonymity... ) Michael Goguen On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 3:21 PM Dianne Skoll wrote: > On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 13:56:18 -0400 (EDT) > ala...@twobikes.ottawa.on.ca wrote: > > > See also https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2023/02/billc18reality/ > > Geist argues instead for "a fund model with mandated contributions > > that would support actual journalism without getting into issues such > > link payments or copyright law." > > That would probably be better, and it wouldn't let Google / Meta / > etc. wriggle out of paying by simply not linking to news stories. > It's one thing to stop linking to news sites, but quite another to > choose between paying into a fund and ceasing to operate at all in > Canada. > > > It's very clear that Google, Meta, etc. have taken over most of what > > used to be newspaper/TV advertising, especially since 2010. The drop > > in ad revenue looks like it's going over a cliff. > > It's very clear to me that Google, Meta, etc. are a far higher threat to > our freedom than the Canadian government is. They need to be broken up. > > This proposal from Google is particularly evil: > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/07/googles-web-integrity-api-sounds-like-drm-for-the-web/ > > > But in terms of alternatives to newspaper display ads or TV ads, I > > suspect that the "social media" companies are not providing what they > > promise. How many of us block all online ads? > > See Google's proposal above. They want a world like that Black Mirror > episode, where your TV watches you and ensures you consume ads. > > [...] > > > But what would be even more effective is for more governments to stop > > advertising on "social", as the federal government recently has, and > > divert that money to Canadian media. Unfortunately, Ottawa City > > Council recently voted down a motion to do that -- the city spends 20 > > percent of its ad budget on "s
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Sorry, might writing and editing isn't great sometimes, I see I left some incomplete statements in my post, and it was a particularly relevant one, so I will complete it now. > important information, the argument is that if the tech (*companies) and social media 'did it on their own', they are not 'required' to give 'free > speech' on their platforms, and so supposedly the only reason there is even a free speech/ censorship debate for this kind of abusive stuff > happening, is supposedly *because in some cases, the usa gov or other governments 'told or encouraged' it to happen, and the first amendment in the USA does apply to that,* so because of that, it does make it a free speech issue, but for instance, facebook has for a long while been blocking any mention of 'cambridge analytica' posts I would try to make, or even private messages to other people that included those words directly, would not be allowed to be sent... that has recently changed, but I imagine, depending on the outcome of the censorship case missouri vs Biden, things could change again, but the implications of the cambridge analytica type revelations, and putting restrictions/limitations on that kind of power, and profiling all its users, and selling that data in order that other interests can better 'mind control' and manipulate' people into things, including acts against goverment, extremism, or misinforming people about the true sources of abuses and corruption and the reasons behind these, including 'dark money', one might imagine it is often project mockingbird related usa gov type sources that are blaming 'everything' on foreign sources, when the matt taibbi twitter files are -proving- a lot of 'propaganda' knowingly propaganda by the government behind the scenes sources pulling the strings for organizations doing it, and while there is real foreign influence in a lot of things, that is the scape goat justification being used in a lot of cases as well, to conceal the government and tech and other corporate interests own influences and agendas. A good documentary I found on some issues of... some of the problems of social media and other interests manipulating users through their media, was one called 'the social dillema' which was on Canadian Netflix for awhile. There used to be a lot of good articles and discussion on things like youtube, I haven't looked recently, I don't know how much shows up in searches now, or how much is available. Another thing that has been happening recently, for instance with youtube, is blocking things by 'region', so like maybe not available to watch in Canada, or other countries, etc, so for instance a free usa pbs public broadcasting station documentary that was put by pbs on their own youtube channel, called 'Dark Money' (corporations basically paying for and running of elections of people who will basically do their bidding on important issues once in office, so they basically run the campaigns very well and fund them and get the people put into office, the documentary is a case study of this happening somewhere in the usa) was being blocked ... wait, no, I downloaded it onto a usb (from youtube using a youtube downloading site or something) to show other people at some point while at a library, and it mysteriously disappeared off the usb, sorry I'm not sure I can remember other good examples of region blocked content right now. Michael Goguen On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 3:21 PM Dianne Skoll wrote: > On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 13:56:18 -0400 (EDT) > ala...@twobikes.ottawa.on.ca wrote: > > > See also https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2023/02/billc18reality/ > > Geist argues instead for "a fund model with mandated contributions > > that would support actual journalism without getting into issues such > > link payments or copyright law." > > That would probably be better, and it wouldn't let Google / Meta / > etc. wriggle out of paying by simply not linking to news stories. > It's one thing to stop linking to news sites, but quite another to > choose between paying into a fund and ceasing to operate at all in > Canada. > > > It's very clear that Google, Meta, etc. have taken over most of what > > used to be newspaper/TV advertising, especially since 2010. The drop > > in ad revenue looks like it's going over a cliff. > > It's very clear to me that Google, Meta, etc. are a far higher threat to > our freedom than the Canadian government is. They need to be broken up. > > This proposal from Google is particularly evil: > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/07/googles-web-integrity-api-sounds-like-drm-for-the-web/ > > > But in terms of alternatives to newspaper display ads or TV ads, I > > suspect that the "social media" companies are not providing what they > > promise. How many of us block all online ads? > > See Google's proposal above. They want a world like that Black Mirror > episode, where your TV watches you and ensures you consume ads. > > [...] > > > But what would be even more effective is for
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On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 13:56:18 -0400 (EDT) ala...@twobikes.ottawa.on.ca wrote: > See also https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2023/02/billc18reality/ > Geist argues instead for "a fund model with mandated contributions > that would support actual journalism without getting into issues such > link payments or copyright law." That would probably be better, and it wouldn't let Google / Meta / etc. wriggle out of paying by simply not linking to news stories. It's one thing to stop linking to news sites, but quite another to choose between paying into a fund and ceasing to operate at all in Canada. > It's very clear that Google, Meta, etc. have taken over most of what > used to be newspaper/TV advertising, especially since 2010. The drop > in ad revenue looks like it's going over a cliff. It's very clear to me that Google, Meta, etc. are a far higher threat to our freedom than the Canadian government is. They need to be broken up. This proposal from Google is particularly evil: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/07/googles-web-integrity-api-sounds-like-drm-for-the-web/ > But in terms of alternatives to newspaper display ads or TV ads, I > suspect that the "social media" companies are not providing what they > promise. How many of us block all online ads? See Google's proposal above. They want a world like that Black Mirror episode, where your TV watches you and ensures you consume ads. [...] > But what would be even more effective is for more governments to stop > advertising on "social", as the federal government recently has, and > divert that money to Canadian media. Unfortunately, Ottawa City > Council recently voted down a motion to do that -- the city spends 20 > percent of its ad budget on "social". I am shocked that our municpal goverment would do this. Shocked, I say! 🙄 I am very cynical about the whole situation. The Internet was an ambitious project that was pretty nice for a while, but it has now turned into a tool for greed, control and suppression of democracy. It's a net loss for humanity. Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
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As for Bill C-18 (the first part of Michael's email), this is a good basic guide to the implications of the newly-passed but not yet implemented legislation. It includes criticism from Michael Geist: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-bill-c18-online-news-law-explained/ See also https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2023/02/billc18reality/ Geist argues instead for "a fund model with mandated contributions that would support actual journalism without getting into issues such link payments or copyright law." It's very clear that Google, Meta, etc. have taken over most of what used to be newspaper/TV advertising, especially since 2010. The drop in ad revenue looks like it's going over a cliff. It's also clear that the online model is simply better for classified ads than in print: cheaper, easier to search, more up-to-date. Also more possible to scam, of course. There's also more competition online in this area. I would guess that newspapers are never going to get this revenue (and it was substantial) back except for niche services like obituaries. But in terms of alternatives to newspaper display ads or TV ads, I suspect that the "social media" companies are not providing what they promise. How many of us block all online ads? How many of us have got sick & tired of all the blether and mostly dropped out of Meta or X or Instagram? The social companies provide counts of hits and click-throughs, but how accurate are they? Newspapers and TV stations are at a disadvantage because they can't provide per-ad counts - regardless of the ad effectiveness. In any case, this bill is not likely to help community newspapers -- only the big chains + those media regulated by the CRTC. Given that we're losing substantial news coverage, especially at the local level, which actually affects democracy and your ability to know what's going on as a citizen, I think it's important that more money does flow to media outlets specifically for news/arts coverage from Google/Meta etc. I would tend to agree with Geist that C-18 might not be the most effective way. But what would be even more effective is for more governments to stop advertising on "social", as the federal government recently has, and divert that money to Canadian media. Unfortunately, Ottawa City Council recently voted down a motion to do that -- the city spends 20 percent of its ad budget on "social". Alayne On Tue, 1 Aug 2023, Michael Goguen wrote: I'm not really up on some of this, and my memory isn't great, but a legal expert on computer privacy and freedom from the University of Ottawa named Michael Geist has been blogging about current government bills being proposed or put into place by the Canadian Government, one of the laws or bills was about making big companies like google and facebook start paying money to Canadian News organizations for sharing Canadian News links, I think maybe this is a little bit like the group 'openmedia dot ca' might have described about a European law getting to place that they phrased as a 'link tax'. Although the idea is supposedly to support Canadian News media, which is starting to lose a lot of money to social media (and those who control it), I think there is a comment I saw of Michael Geist's where he mentions that the changes could affects 'all users', and not just (if I am remembering the post correctly) news media, ie big tech might start supposedly having to pay regular users for sharing links or alternately blocking all of their link sharing so as not to have to pay, and or regular users who share news links, would they have to pay the news media because they shared their links? I'm probably getting a lot of this wrong, I think there is better info about some of this available online from people who have looked at it... -- Alayne McGregor alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca The shyness is not unusual. If you weren't quiet, you wouldn't have so desperately searched for a way to speak. The reason you have so desperately pursued your work and your language and your voice is because you haven't had one. - Bruce Springsteen, in _Renegades_
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Re the US case that Michael cites, one effect would have been that Meta or X or Google or Reddit etc could not consult with the CDC re COVID-19 health measures and vaccine misinformation. I suspect the Hunter Biden allegations are BS. As for RFK jr, he's a dangerous zealot. In addition to numerous social media companies, the injunction blocks the government from communicating with three academic programs at Stanford University and the University of Washington that study the spread of misinformation online: the Election Integrity Partnership, the Virality Project, and the Stanford Internet Observatory. Here is a release from the Electronic Frontier Foundation which gives a better background to this injunction: https://www.eff.org/press/releases/government-needs-both-ability-talk-social-media-platforms-and-clear-limits-eff-argues "[...]Even the biggest, best-resourced social media companies struggle with content moderation, often frustrating users. In search of fairness and consistency in their decisions, social media companies need to draw on outside resources and expertise. This “networked governance” can include trusted flagger programs, trust and safety councils, or external stakeholder engagement teams, as well as as-needed consultations with individual and organizational experts including government agencies. Such government input does raise unique and worrisome First Amendment issues, but it can’t be forbidden entirely, the brief argues. “The distinction between proper and improper speech is often obscure, leaving ample gray area for courts reviewing such cases to grapple in. But grapple in it they must,” the brief says. “The district court did not adequately distinguish between improper and proper communications in either its analysis or preliminary injunction. The preliminary injunction is internally inconsistent with exceptions that seem to swallow many of its prohibitions. It does not provide adequate guidance to either the government or to anyone else seeking to hold the government to its proscriptions. This Court must independently review the record and make the searching distinctions that the district court did not.” [...]" See also: https://www.eff.org/document/missouri-v-biden-amicus-brief https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_v._Biden https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/judge-ruling-biden-social-media-first-amendment-rcna92897 "[...] But multiple First Amendment scholars and free speech advocates say the sweeping nature of the ruling, the result of a lawsuit brought by the Republican attorneys general of Louisiana and Missouri, is too broad and hobbled by a partisan agenda. It’s predicated on rickety reasoning. It conflates virtually any kind of discussion with censorship. And ultimately it could end up protecting social media companies from legitimate criticism. [...] In the case of the Biden administration, many of those instances involved administration officials sending emails and texts to Twitter staffers to flag instances of misinformation and disinformation about Covid and the elections that violated Twitter’s own policies. [...]" Alayne On Tue, 1 Aug 2023, Michael Goguen wrote: Also, there was a court injunction (that now has a stay from another court) against the USA Biden Administration for censoring American's (and possibly other peoples', as well) social media posts on many issues, election issues, fakzine issues, climate change, Hunter Biden's laptop emails, so like ongoing legal and court issues, etc that were factually true, so the injunction had been that the administration couldn't contact the big tech companies that were doing the censoring, I noticed some censoring started to decrease for awhile, or become more hidden, so Matt Taibbi has talked about some of this in congressional or something hearings in the USA, called 'the twitter files', documents exposed about usa gov ordering twitter to censor certain things. RFK jr, who is running for president of the usa for 2024, has also started a lawsuit againt the usa gov for censoring him, and there were 12 people known as the 'disinformation dozen' who were cited by the biden information and some of the groups who were 'managing information' as sources for a lot of the 'supposed' disinformation about fakzines, one of them was someone named J0seph M3rc0la, who at one point had his bank accounts frozen by a bank he's been with for something like 20 years, as well as other execs in his business and family members (morgan chase bank), and he has recently had those bank accounts 'closed' (so I might be confusing some information) at any rate yeah so banks accounts were closed with no reason given on the sudden, other alternative media groups, some of who were called 'foreign disinformation agents', were having their funding cut off by usa interests, sometimes based on supposed embargoes of various countries that were paying journalists for their media, so
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son there is even a free speech/ censorship > debate for this kind of abusive stuff happening, is supposedly because in > some cases, the usa gov or other governments (eu has a law in place and was > warning / checking with elon musk, would twitter respect their laws of > blocking certain things, and Elon Musk said twitter would obey the law, > etc, although some countries have talked about blocking some social media > companies completely if they do not 'respect' their 'laws' about 'unallowed > posts/information'). > > Has anyone else been following any of this? The impacts of the Julian > Assange case, for doing journalism, could impact journalists worldwide, > criminalizing them (and allowing them to be like sent to the usa or other > countries for posting 'defense secrets' that expose crimes of those > countries, and basically put them in jail and try them for it, and it is > possible this could be done to include anyone who shares any information, > blogging etc, as 'criminal journalists', to be taken to said countries for > exposing crimes of the powerful, and then put in jail for it, etc. > > So yeah, is this something anyone else has been looking into or would want > to discuss or anything? Is this online meeting stuff, or people would > prefer to do in person, or in person and everyone puts their cellphones in > a faraday cage... LOL eheheh anyways. > > I guess I will see if this email goes through to the list. > > > Michael Goguen > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 11:07 PM Richard Guy Briggs > wrote: > >> On 2023-08-01 02:50, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: >> > "That used to be GOSLINGS (Getting Open Source Logic Into GovernmentS). >> > They're still going strong, but now meeting in the basement of the >> > building TUPOC tried to squat..." >> > >> > Richard, you are certainly a fountain of knowledge, and I have stopped >> questioning how you know all these things. Well, I have some questions.. I >> might attend the meetup on Friday and bother these others with those, over >> nachos. :) >> >> I have a couple of decades head start... And I guess my memory hasn't >> left me yet... I'll likely go for nachos... >> >> > I can plan for this Thursday. If others don't necessarily want to >> present, I stumbled across a legal article that we could discuss! >> > I know, I know, but it is actually quite interesting: >> https://www.itworldcanada.com/article/canadian-law-in-conflict-with-aspects-of-gpl/15982 >> > >> > -Katie >> > >> > From: Richard Guy Briggs >> > Sent: 31 July 2023 22:36 >> > To: Katherine Mcmillan >> > Cc: Ian E. Gorman ; tug ; >> j...@messier.ca ; Linux-Ottawa >> > Subject: Re: [linux] Meeting for August. >> > >> > Attention : courriel externe | external email >> > >> > On 2023-08-01 02:12, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: >> > > Hi Tug and all, >> > > >> > > Sure, I???m happy to try to plan a meeting :) >> > > >> > > What I???m going to do is the following: plan a regular online >> meeting and recommend that anyone that would like to attend something in >> person, which is also awesome, attend this: >> https://www.meetup.com/opensourcenerdsandnachos/ >> > >> > That used to be GOSLINGS (Getting Open Source Logic Into GovernmentS). >> > They're still going strong, but now meeting in the basement of the >> > building TUPOC tried to squat... >> > >> > > This also means that I would recommend we have our meeting next >> Thursday (August 10). Would that work, or should I try to plan for this >> Thursday? >> > >> > I'd somewhat strongly recommend sticking with the first Thursday. (But >> > after the regular date is somewhat better than before so those regulars >> > expecting it won't miss it.) >> > >> > > Sincerely, >> > > Katie >> > > >> > > From: Ian E. Gorman >> > > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 9:02:34 PM >> > > To: tug >> > > Cc: Katherine Mcmillan ; j...@messier.ca < >> j...@messier.ca>; Linux-Ottawa >> > > Subject: Re: [linux] Meeting for August. >> > > >> > > Attention : courriel externe | external email >> > > I would like to have a meeting, even though I have nothing to bring. >> > > >> > > Iam >> > > >> > > On Mon
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allowing them to be like sent to the usa or other countries for posting 'defense secrets' that expose crimes of those countries, and basically put them in jail and try them for it, and it is possible this could be done to include anyone who shares any information, blogging etc, as 'criminal journalists', to be taken to said countries for exposing crimes of the powerful, and then put in jail for it, etc. So yeah, is this something anyone else has been looking into or would want to discuss or anything? Is this online meeting stuff, or people would prefer to do in person, or in person and everyone puts their cellphones in a faraday cage... LOL eheheh anyways. I guess I will see if this email goes through to the list. Michael Goguen On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 11:07 PM Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > On 2023-08-01 02:50, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > > "That used to be GOSLINGS (Getting Open Source Logic Into GovernmentS). > > They're still going strong, but now meeting in the basement of the > > building TUPOC tried to squat..." > > > > Richard, you are certainly a fountain of knowledge, and I have stopped > questioning how you know all these things. Well, I have some questions.. I > might attend the meetup on Friday and bother these others with those, over > nachos. :) > > I have a couple of decades head start... And I guess my memory hasn't > left me yet... I'll likely go for nachos... > > > I can plan for this Thursday. If others don't necessarily want to > present, I stumbled across a legal article that we could discuss! > > I know, I know, but it is actually quite interesting: > https://www.itworldcanada.com/article/canadian-law-in-conflict-with-aspects-of-gpl/15982 > > > > -Katie > > > > From: Richard Guy Briggs > > Sent: 31 July 2023 22:36 > > To: Katherine Mcmillan > > Cc: Ian E. Gorman ; tug ; > j...@messier.ca ; Linux-Ottawa > > Subject: Re: [linux] Meeting for August. > > > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > > > On 2023-08-01 02:12, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > > > Hi Tug and all, > > > > > > Sure, I???m happy to try to plan a meeting :) > > > > > > What I???m going to do is the following: plan a regular online meeting > and recommend that anyone that would like to attend something in person, > which is also awesome, attend this: > https://www.meetup.com/opensourcenerdsandnachos/ > > > > That used to be GOSLINGS (Getting Open Source Logic Into GovernmentS). > > They're still going strong, but now meeting in the basement of the > > building TUPOC tried to squat... > > > > > This also means that I would recommend we have our meeting next > Thursday (August 10). Would that work, or should I try to plan for this > Thursday? > > > > I'd somewhat strongly recommend sticking with the first Thursday. (But > > after the regular date is somewhat better than before so those regulars > > expecting it won't miss it.) > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Katie > > > > > > From: Ian E. Gorman > > > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 9:02:34 PM > > > To: tug > > > Cc: Katherine Mcmillan ; j...@messier.ca < > j...@messier.ca>; Linux-Ottawa > > > Subject: Re: [linux] Meeting for August. > > > > > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > > I would like to have a meeting, even though I have nothing to bring. > > > > > > Iam > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 9:11???PM tug tug.willi...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > I don't recall Timothy offering to give a presentation. Did emails go > missing? > > > > > > > > > I've not prepared anything, and haven't heard of anyone (until Katie's > offer in this email). > > > > > > > > > Last month I was going to propose a link to meet, despite there being > no planned talks, but as there were problems with spam filters, I just put > a notice cancelling the meeting on the website. > > > > > > > > > I might or might not be able to attend a meeting this week, so it > seemed a bit bad to propose a meeting. I know John was trying to arrange > something, but I've not heard much, and I haven't had time these past > couple of weeks to check in. > > > > > > > > > So Katie - do you want to kick off a meeting, and see where it pans > out from there? > > > > > > > > > Tug > > > > > > >
Re: [linux] Meeting for August.
On 2023-08-01 02:50, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > "That used to be GOSLINGS (Getting Open Source Logic Into GovernmentS). > They're still going strong, but now meeting in the basement of the > building TUPOC tried to squat..." > > Richard, you are certainly a fountain of knowledge, and I have stopped > questioning how you know all these things. Well, I have some questions.. I > might attend the meetup on Friday and bother these others with those, over > nachos. :) I have a couple of decades head start... And I guess my memory hasn't left me yet... I'll likely go for nachos... > I can plan for this Thursday. If others don't necessarily want to present, I > stumbled across a legal article that we could discuss! > I know, I know, but it is actually quite interesting: > https://www.itworldcanada.com/article/canadian-law-in-conflict-with-aspects-of-gpl/15982 > > -Katie > > From: Richard Guy Briggs > Sent: 31 July 2023 22:36 > To: Katherine Mcmillan > Cc: Ian E. Gorman ; tug ; > j...@messier.ca ; Linux-Ottawa > Subject: Re: [linux] Meeting for August. > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > On 2023-08-01 02:12, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > > Hi Tug and all, > > > > Sure, I???m happy to try to plan a meeting :) > > > > What I???m going to do is the following: plan a regular online meeting and > > recommend that anyone that would like to attend something in person, which > > is also awesome, attend this: > > https://www.meetup.com/opensourcenerdsandnachos/ > > That used to be GOSLINGS (Getting Open Source Logic Into GovernmentS). > They're still going strong, but now meeting in the basement of the > building TUPOC tried to squat... > > > This also means that I would recommend we have our meeting next Thursday > > (August 10). Would that work, or should I try to plan for this Thursday? > > I'd somewhat strongly recommend sticking with the first Thursday. (But > after the regular date is somewhat better than before so those regulars > expecting it won't miss it.) > > > Sincerely, > > Katie > > > > From: Ian E. Gorman > > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 9:02:34 PM > > To: tug > > Cc: Katherine Mcmillan ; j...@messier.ca > > ; Linux-Ottawa > > Subject: Re: [linux] Meeting for August. > > > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > I would like to have a meeting, even though I have nothing to bring. > > > > Iam > > > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 9:11???PM tug > > mailto:tug.willi...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > I don't recall Timothy offering to give a presentation. Did emails go > > missing? > > > > > > I've not prepared anything, and haven't heard of anyone (until Katie's > > offer in this email). > > > > > > Last month I was going to propose a link to meet, despite there being no > > planned talks, but as there were problems with spam filters, I just put a > > notice cancelling the meeting on the website. > > > > > > I might or might not be able to attend a meeting this week, so it seemed a > > bit bad to propose a meeting. I know John was trying to arrange something, > > but I've not heard much, and I haven't had time these past couple of weeks > > to check in. > > > > > > So Katie - do you want to kick off a meeting, and see where it pans out > > from there? > > > > > > Tug > > > > > > > > On 2023-07-31 18:09, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > > Hello Jean-Francois, > > > > I would really like to see a presentation by Timothy Forbes. However, it > > may not be a good time for that. > > > > I have created a sequel to my first "Linux for the Wacom" presentation that > > I could present if anyone is interested - I go into a specific security > > concern and how Linux (openSUSE in this case) overcomes that. It wouldn't > > take long to present, and I would appreciate thoughts/feedback. > > > > I would also be interested in inviting an attendee from my new workplace > > who has expressed interest. :) > > > > Sincerely, > > Katie > > > > From: j...@messier.ca<mailto:j...@messier.ca> > > <mailto:j...@messier.ca> > > Sent: 31 July 2023 15:03 > > To: linux@linux-ottawa.org<mailto:linux@linux-ottawa.org> > > <mailto:linux@linux-ottawa.org> > > Subject: [linux] Meeting for August. > >
Re: [linux] Meeting for August.
"That used to be GOSLINGS (Getting Open Source Logic Into GovernmentS). They're still going strong, but now meeting in the basement of the building TUPOC tried to squat..." Richard, you are certainly a fountain of knowledge, and I have stopped questioning how you know all these things. Well, I have some questions.. I might attend the meetup on Friday and bother these others with those, over nachos. :) I can plan for this Thursday. If others don't necessarily want to present, I stumbled across a legal article that we could discuss! I know, I know, but it is actually quite interesting: https://www.itworldcanada.com/article/canadian-law-in-conflict-with-aspects-of-gpl/15982 -Katie From: Richard Guy Briggs Sent: 31 July 2023 22:36 To: Katherine Mcmillan Cc: Ian E. Gorman ; tug ; j...@messier.ca ; Linux-Ottawa Subject: Re: [linux] Meeting for August. Attention : courriel externe | external email On 2023-08-01 02:12, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > Hi Tug and all, > > Sure, I???m happy to try to plan a meeting :) > > What I???m going to do is the following: plan a regular online meeting and > recommend that anyone that would like to attend something in person, which is > also awesome, attend this: https://www.meetup.com/opensourcenerdsandnachos/ That used to be GOSLINGS (Getting Open Source Logic Into GovernmentS). They're still going strong, but now meeting in the basement of the building TUPOC tried to squat... > This also means that I would recommend we have our meeting next Thursday > (August 10). Would that work, or should I try to plan for this Thursday? I'd somewhat strongly recommend sticking with the first Thursday. (But after the regular date is somewhat better than before so those regulars expecting it won't miss it.) > Sincerely, > Katie > > From: Ian E. Gorman > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 9:02:34 PM > To: tug > Cc: Katherine Mcmillan ; j...@messier.ca > ; Linux-Ottawa > Subject: Re: [linux] Meeting for August. > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > I would like to have a meeting, even though I have nothing to bring. > > Iam > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 9:11???PM tug > mailto:tug.willi...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I don't recall Timothy offering to give a presentation. Did emails go missing? > > > I've not prepared anything, and haven't heard of anyone (until Katie's offer > in this email). > > > Last month I was going to propose a link to meet, despite there being no > planned talks, but as there were problems with spam filters, I just put a > notice cancelling the meeting on the website. > > > I might or might not be able to attend a meeting this week, so it seemed a > bit bad to propose a meeting. I know John was trying to arrange something, > but I've not heard much, and I haven't had time these past couple of weeks to > check in. > > > So Katie - do you want to kick off a meeting, and see where it pans out from > there? > > > Tug > > > > On 2023-07-31 18:09, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > Hello Jean-Francois, > > I would really like to see a presentation by Timothy Forbes. However, it may > not be a good time for that. > > I have created a sequel to my first "Linux for the Wacom" presentation that I > could present if anyone is interested - I go into a specific security concern > and how Linux (openSUSE in this case) overcomes that. It wouldn't take long > to present, and I would appreciate thoughts/feedback. > > I would also be interested in inviting an attendee from my new workplace who > has expressed interest. :) > > Sincerely, > Katie > > From: j...@messier.ca<mailto:j...@messier.ca> > <mailto:j...@messier.ca> > Sent: 31 July 2023 15:03 > To: linux@linux-ottawa.org<mailto:linux@linux-ottawa.org> > <mailto:linux@linux-ottawa.org> > Subject: [linux] Meeting for August. > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > Is there a meeting this Thursday ? I know the July meeting ws cancelled, > but do we have topics for this month ? > > Thanks :-) > > JF > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to > linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org<mailto:linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org> > To get help send a blank message to > linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org<mailto:linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org> > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org > > > > -- > __ > Ian Earl Gorman | //www.gorman.ca/<http://www.gorman.ca/> | > //web.ncf.ca/iegorman/<http://web.ncf.ca/iegorman/> > //github.com/iegorman/<http://github.com/iegorman/> | > //www.linkedin.com/in/iegorman/<http://www.linkedin.com/in/iegorman/> slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ http://www.TriColour.ca>> -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_
Re: [linux] Meeting for August.
On 2023-08-01 02:12, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > Hi Tug and all, > > Sure, I???m happy to try to plan a meeting :) > > What I???m going to do is the following: plan a regular online meeting and > recommend that anyone that would like to attend something in person, which is > also awesome, attend this: https://www.meetup.com/opensourcenerdsandnachos/ That used to be GOSLINGS (Getting Open Source Logic Into GovernmentS). They're still going strong, but now meeting in the basement of the building TUPOC tried to squat... > This also means that I would recommend we have our meeting next Thursday > (August 10). Would that work, or should I try to plan for this Thursday? I'd somewhat strongly recommend sticking with the first Thursday. (But after the regular date is somewhat better than before so those regulars expecting it won't miss it.) > Sincerely, > Katie > > From: Ian E. Gorman > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 9:02:34 PM > To: tug > Cc: Katherine Mcmillan ; j...@messier.ca > ; Linux-Ottawa > Subject: Re: [linux] Meeting for August. > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > I would like to have a meeting, even though I have nothing to bring. > > Iam > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 9:11???PM tug > mailto:tug.willi...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I don't recall Timothy offering to give a presentation. Did emails go missing? > > > I've not prepared anything, and haven't heard of anyone (until Katie's offer > in this email). > > > Last month I was going to propose a link to meet, despite there being no > planned talks, but as there were problems with spam filters, I just put a > notice cancelling the meeting on the website. > > > I might or might not be able to attend a meeting this week, so it seemed a > bit bad to propose a meeting. I know John was trying to arrange something, > but I've not heard much, and I haven't had time these past couple of weeks to > check in. > > > So Katie - do you want to kick off a meeting, and see where it pans out from > there? > > > Tug > > > > On 2023-07-31 18:09, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > Hello Jean-Francois, > > I would really like to see a presentation by Timothy Forbes. However, it may > not be a good time for that. > > I have created a sequel to my first "Linux for the Wacom" presentation that I > could present if anyone is interested - I go into a specific security concern > and how Linux (openSUSE in this case) overcomes that. It wouldn't take long > to present, and I would appreciate thoughts/feedback. > > I would also be interested in inviting an attendee from my new workplace who > has expressed interest. :) > > Sincerely, > Katie > > From: j...@messier.ca<mailto:j...@messier.ca> > <mailto:j...@messier.ca> > Sent: 31 July 2023 15:03 > To: linux@linux-ottawa.org<mailto:linux@linux-ottawa.org> > <mailto:linux@linux-ottawa.org> > Subject: [linux] Meeting for August. > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > Is there a meeting this Thursday ? I know the July meeting ws cancelled, > but do we have topics for this month ? > > Thanks :-) > > JF > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to > linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org<mailto:linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org> > To get help send a blank message to > linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org<mailto:linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org> > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org > > > > -- > __ > Ian Earl Gorman | //www.gorman.ca/<http://www.gorman.ca/> | > //web.ncf.ca/iegorman/<http://web.ncf.ca/iegorman/> > //github.com/iegorman/<http://github.com/iegorman/> | > //www.linkedin.com/in/iegorman/<http://www.linkedin.com/in/iegorman/> slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Meeting for August.
Hi Tug and all, Sure, I’m happy to try to plan a meeting :) What I’m going to do is the following: plan a regular online meeting and recommend that anyone that would like to attend something in person, which is also awesome, attend this: https://www.meetup.com/opensourcenerdsandnachos/ This also means that I would recommend we have our meeting next Thursday (August 10). Would that work, or should I try to plan for this Thursday? Sincerely, Katie From: Ian E. Gorman Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 9:02:34 PM To: tug Cc: Katherine Mcmillan ; j...@messier.ca ; Linux-Ottawa Subject: Re: [linux] Meeting for August. Attention : courriel externe | external email I would like to have a meeting, even though I have nothing to bring. Iam On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 9:11 PM tug mailto:tug.willi...@gmail.com>> wrote: I don't recall Timothy offering to give a presentation. Did emails go missing? I've not prepared anything, and haven't heard of anyone (until Katie's offer in this email). Last month I was going to propose a link to meet, despite there being no planned talks, but as there were problems with spam filters, I just put a notice cancelling the meeting on the website. I might or might not be able to attend a meeting this week, so it seemed a bit bad to propose a meeting. I know John was trying to arrange something, but I've not heard much, and I haven't had time these past couple of weeks to check in. So Katie - do you want to kick off a meeting, and see where it pans out from there? Tug On 2023-07-31 18:09, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: Hello Jean-Francois, I would really like to see a presentation by Timothy Forbes. However, it may not be a good time for that. I have created a sequel to my first "Linux for the Wacom" presentation that I could present if anyone is interested - I go into a specific security concern and how Linux (openSUSE in this case) overcomes that. It wouldn't take long to present, and I would appreciate thoughts/feedback. I would also be interested in inviting an attendee from my new workplace who has expressed interest. :) Sincerely, Katie From: j...@messier.ca<mailto:j...@messier.ca> <mailto:j...@messier.ca> Sent: 31 July 2023 15:03 To: linux@linux-ottawa.org<mailto:linux@linux-ottawa.org> <mailto:linux@linux-ottawa.org> Subject: [linux] Meeting for August. Attention : courriel externe | external email Is there a meeting this Thursday ? I know the July meeting ws cancelled, but do we have topics for this month ? Thanks :-) JF To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org<mailto:linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org> To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org<mailto:linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org> To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org -- __ Ian Earl Gorman | //www.gorman.ca/<http://www.gorman.ca/> | //web.ncf.ca/iegorman/<http://web.ncf.ca/iegorman/> //github.com/iegorman/<http://github.com/iegorman/> | //www.linkedin.com/in/iegorman/<http://www.linkedin.com/in/iegorman/>
Re: [linux] Meeting for August.
I would like to have a meeting, even though I have nothing to bring. Iam On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 9:11 PM tug wrote: > I don't recall Timothy offering to give a presentation. Did emails go > missing? > > > I've not prepared anything, and haven't heard of anyone (until Katie's > offer in this email). > > > Last month I was going to propose a link to meet, despite there being no > planned talks, but as there were problems with spam filters, I just put a > notice cancelling the meeting on the website. > > > I might or might not be able to attend a meeting this week, so it seemed a > bit bad to propose a meeting. I know John was trying to arrange something, > but I've not heard much, and I haven't had time these past couple of weeks > to check in. > > > So Katie - do you want to kick off a meeting, and see where it pans out > from there? > > > Tug > > > > On 2023-07-31 18:09, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > > Hello Jean-Francois, > > I would really like to see a presentation by Timothy Forbes. However, it > may not be a good time for that. > > I have created a sequel to my first "Linux for the Wacom" presentation > that I could present if anyone is interested - I go into a specific > security concern and how Linux (openSUSE in this case) overcomes that. It > wouldn't take long to present, and I would appreciate thoughts/feedback. > > I would also be interested in inviting an attendee from my new workplace > who has expressed interest. :) > > Sincerely, > Katie > -- > *From:* j...@messier.ca > *Sent:* 31 July 2023 15:03 > *To:* linux@linux-ottawa.org > > *Subject:* [linux] Meeting for August. > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > Is there a meeting this Thursday ? I know the July meeting ws cancelled, > but do we have topics for this month ? > > Thanks :-) > > JF > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org > > -- __ Ian Earl Gorman | //www.gorman.ca/ | //web.ncf.ca/iegorman/ //github.com/iegorman/ | //www.linkedin.com/in/iegorman/
Re: [linux] Meeting for August.
I don't recall Timothy offering to give a presentation. Did emails go missing? I've not prepared anything, and haven't heard of anyone (until Katie's offer in this email). Last month I was going to propose a link to meet, despite there being no planned talks, but as there were problems with spam filters, I just put a notice cancelling the meeting on the website. I might or might not be able to attend a meeting this week, so it seemed a bit bad to propose a meeting. I know John was trying to arrange something, but I've not heard much, and I haven't had time these past couple of weeks to check in. So Katie - do you want to kick off a meeting, and see where it pans out from there? Tug On 2023-07-31 18:09, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: Hello Jean-Francois, I would really like to see a presentation by Timothy Forbes. However, it may not be a good time for that. I have created a sequel to my first "Linux for the Wacom" presentation that I could present if anyone is interested - I go into a specific security concern and how Linux (openSUSE in this case) overcomes that. It wouldn't take long to present, and I would appreciate thoughts/feedback. I would also be interested in inviting an attendee from my new workplace who has expressed interest. :) Sincerely, Katie *From:* j...@messier.ca *Sent:* 31 July 2023 15:03 *To:* linux@linux-ottawa.org *Subject:* [linux] Meeting for August. Attention : courriel externe | external email Is there a meeting this Thursday ? I know the July meeting ws cancelled, but do we have topics for this month ? Thanks :-) JF To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Meeting for August.
Hello Jean-Francois, I would really like to see a presentation by Timothy Forbes. However, it may not be a good time for that. I have created a sequel to my first "Linux for the Wacom" presentation that I could present if anyone is interested - I go into a specific security concern and how Linux (openSUSE in this case) overcomes that. It wouldn't take long to present, and I would appreciate thoughts/feedback. I would also be interested in inviting an attendee from my new workplace who has expressed interest. :) Sincerely, Katie From: j...@messier.ca Sent: 31 July 2023 15:03 To: linux@linux-ottawa.org Subject: [linux] Meeting for August. Attention : courriel externe | external email Is there a meeting this Thursday ? I know the July meeting ws cancelled, but do we have topics for this month ? Thanks :-) JF To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
[linux] Meeting for August.
Is there a meeting this Thursday ? I know the July meeting ws cancelled, but do we have topics for this month ? Thanks :-) JF To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
