Re: how to fix control+F3 so it opens the dock again

[Ray Foret Jr]

That does no good

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> On Aug 29, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Either include the Function key or go to System Preferences, Keyboard, 
> keyboard and tick the box for standard layout.
> 
> Gena
> 
>> On 29 Aug 2017, at 21:36, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> control F3 no longer opens dock.  How to fix?
>> 
>> Somehow, I seem to have done something to my Mac so that when I press 
>> control+F3, it no longer exposes the dock but instead I get the boundary 
>> sound.  How do I fix this so that it works again?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
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Re: OT: we're pulling for you folks in the south

[Ray Foret jr]

I am fifty miles south west of New Orleans myself:  in Houma.

Y’all stay safe will ya?


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> On Aug 25, 2017, at 9:33 PM, Eric Whitten  wrote:
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> I am north of New Orleans. I think that we are suppose to get the rain 
> starting Sunday. Not sure how much. I am keeping you guys that are near 
> Korpis and Houston in my preyers.
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Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[Ray Foret jr]

Not even public beta questions.  Why?  Simple.  It’s still beta and therefore, 
falls under Apple’s non disclosure agreement.  
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> On Aug 10, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi mark!
> I am sorry for that one.
> Not even public beta questions?
> If not then i am very sorry to ask this here.
> /A
> 
>> 10 aug. 2017 kl. 05:57 skrev M. Taylor :
>> 
>> Hello Anders,
>> 
>> Beta software questions are not for this list.  
>> 
>> If you have beta software questions, you may request that list members 
>> contact you, off-list.  Please be sure to include your direct email address 
>> in the body of the post.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>> Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.
>> 
>> Hi!
>> For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question for 
>> you.
>> If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that it 
>> comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
>> I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
>> voiceover will stay on the iphone.
>> I have reported this to apple.
>> I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport 
>> device which was possible in ios 10.
>> /A
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need to consult someone who is testing the public beta for IOS11 on their iPhone

[Ray Foret jr]

Would someone who is beta testing the public beta of IOS11 please contact be 
privately at my e-mail address of:

rforet7...@comcast.net

to assist in resolving an issue I cannot openly discuss here?

Thanks.


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meant phone drive

[Ray Foret jr]

Hi,

A self correction to make.  When I said earlier this evening that I could  not 
get Google Chrome to connect to windows drive, I meant the iPhone app Phone 
Drive.

Been doing some research and I think I have to download and run the Chrome 
remote desk top to let it have access.  Is this correct?


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cannot seem to make Google Chrome bring up Windows Drive interfase

[Ray Foret jr]

Okay, this is really weird.

In Safari, all I have to do to make the Windows Drive interfase show up once 
it’s open on my iPhone is to type in:
iphone.local

However, in Google Chrome, this does not happen.  Is there any way to cause 
Google Chrome to show the Windows Drive app interfase on my Mac?


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Re: IMovie with voiceover

[Ray Foret jr]

I tried Mpg stream and didn’t like it.  Could not figure out how to quickly 
jump to the end of a video and it seems it’s not possible to have more than one 
video open at a time so you can copy and paste in the usual way.  Therefore, no 
good for me.


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> On Jul 1, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Likidefs  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> The Nella thank you for your willingness to help. Yes I need your help.
> Using the MPG stream, I drop the in marker and then the out marker, and then 
> by pressing cmd X it doesn't remove the selected part but removes all the 
> rest and lives the selected. I also can't find the stop button. When I press 
> play and then when I press play again, The speed gets faster and faster but 
> it doesn't stop.
> Another problem i'm facing is, when I have a very very long file and I want 
> to trim from a point to the end, how can I do that?  
> Thank you
> 30 Ιουν 2017, 12:01 μμ, ο/η Daniela Rubio  έγραψε:
> 
>> Hello!
>> 
>> Yes, yes, you can do that as well. If you establish In and out to mark the 
>> part you want to trim, you just cut it with CMD+x and it is gone. The 
>> program also has the possibility to export to different video and audio 
>> formats and keeps of course the original files.
>> 
>> If you want help in using it just let me know, but the menus and shortcuts 
>> are easy to understand by them selves.
>> 
>> I am glad that you liked the program. I use it a lot and love it.
>> 
>> Have a great weekend!
>> 
>> 
>>> El 30 jun 2017, a las 7:56, Likidefs  escribió:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> QuickTime is OK, but trims the end or the beginning of the video. I'm 
>>> looking of something that can trim also in the middle easily.
>>> Daniela i've downloaded MPG Stream clip and it seems easier than QuickTime. 
>>> Now I am looking if it has the feature I have previously said. Both 
>>> programs they can do is actually throw the entire video out and keep the 
>>> trimmed clip. What I want to do is to throw the trimmed clips out and keep 
>>> The  rest video.
>>> A very nice and easy software that could do all these things I'm asking for 
>>> is sound Forge, but I don't know if it is running on Mac and if it still 
>>> accessible. I was using it in the windows years back.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 25 Ιουν 2017, 2:16 πμ, ο/η Kliphton Miller  έγραψε:
>>> 
 Quick time is great too.
> On Jun 24, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Likidefs  wrote:
> 
> If anyone knows another video editing software that is accessible besides 
> iMovie, please let me know. I'll try to figure out how it works or try to 
> find another software it's more accessible. I'll let you know if you 
> wish. Thank you very much for your time.
> Steve
> 
> 
> 23 Ιουν 2017, 8:16 πμ, ο/η David & his pack of dogs 
>  έγραψε:
> 
>> I think the stance is, how can they edit something they can not see?  
>> Faulty but, sadly, true.  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Thacker Jr.
>> Sent: June 22, 2017 6:56 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IMovie with voiceover
>> 
>> I asked the same question a while back, and the answer was not 
>> encouraging.  I am sorry I don’t remember the details anymore, but I was 
>> able to do some simple editing by using menu commands.  From within the 
>> clip you can use menu commands to split a single clip and then a trim 
>> from beginning (I think that’s what it was) to cut away the piece you 
>> don’t want.  It is very tedious, so I too will be interested if someone 
>> knows a better way.  Unfortunately it has not occurred even to the 
>> usually  accommodating folks at apple that blind people do have need to 
>> edit video.
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Likidefs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi guys,
>>> I'd like some help with iMovie. I have searched around the net, but 
>>> they found nothing. 
>>> I want to process some videos. Trim them, join them together, put some 
>>> narration on them etc. Does anyone have any idea how to do that or 
>>> where can I find a tutorial?
>>> Thanks
>>> Steve  
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Ray Foret jr]

At least so far as I am aware, you are not losing your mind.  Bear in mind, 
however, that since this here mid 2009 Mac book pro cannot handle any form of 
Sera, I had to wing it.


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> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:01 AM, Caitlyn Furness <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> thanks ray, I thought maybe I was losing my mind!  lol
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:49 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> You sure you weren’t using VO+CMD+arrow keys?  That’s the way you actually 
>> do it.
>> 
>> 
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>>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Daniel Chavez <topdog2...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:topdog2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good day list,
>>> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
>>> plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, 
>>> volume, etc?)
>>> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust 
>>> those values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech 
>>> rate on the fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff 
>>> like, (If I'm on my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, 
>>> etc.)
>>> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available 
>>> when Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use 
>>> Voiceover Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO 
>>> help, but it doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
>>> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Ray Foret jr]

You sure you weren’t using VO+CMD+arrow keys?  That’s the way you actually do 
it.


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> On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Daniel Chavez  wrote:
> 
> Good day list,
> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
> plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, 
> volume, etc?)
> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust those 
> values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech rate on the 
> fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff like, (If I'm on 
> my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, etc.)
> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available when 
> Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use Voiceover 
> Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO help, but it 
> doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
> 
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Re: Frustrating verification code issue.

[Ray Foret jr]

Just thought of a suggestion you might want to try.  Since the code is time 
sensitive, you might try handling it like this.

1.  Cause the code to generate and be sent to a text message to your phone.

2.  Open the message.

3.  Now, Make sure you are focused on where the beginning of the code is.

4.  Now, rotate to the text selection and swipe down till you hear “select all”.

5.  Next, rotate to the edit options and choose “coppy”.

6.  Next step is to focus back on the box where the code should be.  

7.  Now, rotate to the edit area and choose “paste”.

Hope that works, but, just remembered, each position in the code edit box is 
place sensitivbe so this will at least give you really fast access to the code.


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> On Jun 30, 2017, at 10:56 PM, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> I too tried repeatedly to enter the verification code displayed on screen but 
> it only worked when I clicked on the link saying no access to trusted devices 
> and then got a verification code sent to mobile phone - and it just worked! 
> Very frustrating, I agree!
> Harry
> 
>> On 1 Jul 2017, at 03:18, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Your doing nothing wrong.  The same thing happened to me.  I would enter the 
>> code right after it was sent, and it locked me out of signing in to the beta 
>> site for 8 hours.  I finally gave up and had sited help, went on the first 
>> try.
>>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:43 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> No matter what i do  the Verification code i get when i sign in to the 
>>> apple beta software seems to be wrong.
>>> I don’t know what’s up but to me it seems i am following the right steps to 
>>> sign in.
>>> I have my Iphone at hand and when i sign in with my Password i get the 
>>> icloud message if i would like this mac to allow to sign in and i click 
>>> allow on my Iphone.
>>> I then get the verification code and meticulous so that the cursor is at 
>>> the first text field.
>>> THen when i type i always check so i have written the right code.
>>> THen i click Continue.
>>> No go.
>>> I admit that the Verification code is great but sometimes frustrating with 
>>> Voiceover.
>>> But i wont give this up as i know it should work.
>>> Any thoughts though of what might be wrong?
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> /A
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Re: Frustrating verification code issue.

[Ray Foret jr]

IF you hav another device, you might send the code to that device and type it 
out on the actual phone you want to enter it in to.  Remember, those 
verification codes are rather time sensitive so it really helps if you can send 
that code to another device.


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> On Jun 30, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> No matter what i do  the Verification code i get when i sign in to the apple 
> beta software seems to be wrong.
> I don’t know what’s up but to me it seems i am following the right steps to 
> sign in.
> I have my Iphone at hand and when i sign in with my Password i get the icloud 
> message if i would like this mac to allow to sign in and i click allow on my 
> Iphone.
> I then get the verification code and meticulous so that the cursor is at the 
> first text field.
> THen when i type i always check so i have written the right code.
> THen i click Continue.
> No go.
> I admit that the Verification code is great but sometimes frustrating with 
> Voiceover.
> But i wont give this up as i know it should work.
> Any thoughts though of what might be wrong?
> Thanks in advance.
> /A
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getting male US Siri voice Aaron on my Mac?

[Ray Foret jr]

Okay,

For quite some time now, I have been wanting to put the so-called US Male Siri 
voice (known as Aaron) on my Mac.  I’m using L-capitan due to the fact that it 
seems to be the latest Mac OS this mid 2009 Mac book pro of mine will support.  
First, any chance at all of being able to do this?  IF so, how?  No, I didn’t 
jail break my phone and won’t do it for that.  Thanks.


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more Voice Over controls?

[Ray Foret jr]

Hi there,

From what I hear, it is now going to be possible to adjust the pitch of 
the Voice Over voice in IOS11.  Is this true for all voices including the 
so-called “Male Siri” US voice actually known as “Aaron”?

Also, what else wil we be able to control:  The voice intonation perhaps?


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Re: Safari Busy

[Ray Foret jr]

Interesting.  Well, I was using the inhanced version of Tom, (the voice I 
always use for VO nowadays).  I saw that a number of other google voices were 
available but could only identify Lowis as a US English voice and a couple of 
UK voices and some others that looked like they were not English.  
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> On Jun 24, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
> 
> Which voice did you use? With many of the mac voices chromevox is very 
> unresponsive, using one of the google voices works much better.
>> On Jun 24, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> For my part, I found Chromevox so sluggish while running Voice Over that I 
>> offloaded it from my Mac.  It didn’t seem to aknowledge key presses at all.  
>> Tried trning VO off and no good.
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2017, at 12:47 AM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can ChromeVox be activated and deactivated on the fly?  In the past, there 
>>> were issues if the two were running simultaneously and one had to off-load 
>>> VoiceOver to run ChromeVox.  Still the case?
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>>> On 23 Jun 2017, at 03:36, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I use both.  Normally, when I go into Chrome, it's because something isn't 
>>>> working right in Safari, so I use ChromeVox.  When in some G Suite 
>>>> features like Docs and Sheets, ChromeVox works better.  The Admin Panel 
>>>> within the G Suite is also easier to navigate with ChromeVox, although 
>>>> there are times that I turn VO on to navigate tables more easily.  That 
>>>> could be just me not knowing all the proper CV tricks, or it could be that 
>>>> VO handles them better, I'm not sure.
>>>> 
>>>> Later...
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 15:34, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> When using chrome, do you use voiceover or chromevox? I find the access 
>>>> with voiceover similar in both browsers, but there are times when 
>>>> chromevox will allow access to a site that voiceover has a problem with.
>>>>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> That’s pretty much my use case as well.  If Safari chokes on a site 
>>>>> chrome usually gets it done and vise versa.  Also, there are times when 
>>>>> things on safari aren’t accessible but more controls and features are 
>>>>> available on chrome.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On the windows side I used to use Firefox as well as a third option but 
>>>>> on the Mac have been pretty much a safari and chrome user.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:35 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Actually, Chrome works very well on a Mac.  It handles Google Apps 
>>>>>> services slightly better than Safari does.  It works well with VO, as in 
>>>>>> things like the Item Chooser and other web-router items work fairly well 
>>>>>> in it.  I swap back and forth between the two quite often when certain 
>>>>>> sites are not behaving themselves in either browser.  Many sighted users 
>>>>>> in our schools also switch back and forth when something is not 
>>>>>> cooperating.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 14:25, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It's an android browser, and not relevant if you're using a Mac.
>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>&g

Re: Safari Busy

[Ray Foret jr]

For my part, I found Chromevox so sluggish while running Voice Over that I 
offloaded it from my Mac.  It didn’t seem to aknowledge key presses at all.  
Tried trning VO off and no good.


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> On Jun 24, 2017, at 12:47 AM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Can ChromeVox be activated and deactivated on the fly?  In the past, there 
> were issues if the two were running simultaneously and one had to off-load 
> VoiceOver to run ChromeVox.  Still the case?
> 
> Andrew
>> On 23 Jun 2017, at 03:36, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I use both.  Normally, when I go into Chrome, it's because something isn't 
>> working right in Safari, so I use ChromeVox.  When in some G Suite features 
>> like Docs and Sheets, ChromeVox works better.  The Admin Panel within the G 
>> Suite is also easier to navigate with ChromeVox, although there are times 
>> that I turn VO on to navigate tables more easily.  That could be just me not 
>> knowing all the proper CV tricks, or it could be that VO handles them 
>> better, I'm not sure.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 15:34, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>> 
>> When using chrome, do you use voiceover or chromevox? I find the access with 
>> voiceover similar in both browsers, but there are times when chromevox will 
>> allow access to a site that voiceover has a problem with.
>>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That’s pretty much my use case as well.  If Safari chokes on a site chrome 
>>> usually gets it done and vise versa.  Also, there are times when things on 
>>> safari aren’t accessible but more controls and features are available on 
>>> chrome.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On the windows side I used to use Firefox as well as a third option but on 
>>> the Mac have been pretty much a safari and chrome user.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:35 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, Chrome works very well on a Mac.  It handles Google Apps 
>>>> services slightly better than Safari does.  It works well with VO, as in 
>>>> things like the Item Chooser and other web-router items work fairly well 
>>>> in it.  I swap back and forth between the two quite often when certain 
>>>> sites are not behaving themselves in either browser.  Many sighted users 
>>>> in our schools also switch back and forth when something is not 
>>>> cooperating.
>>>> 
>>>> Later...
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 14:25, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It's an android browser, and not relevant if you're using a Mac.
>>>> Mary
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I will not touch Google Crome:  but, what is this here thing called 
>>>>> Lightning Browser?  I reckon it’s accessible?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>>>> built-in
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>> Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
>>>>>> /A
>>>>>>> 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
>>>>>>> www.walmart.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get 
>>&

Re: Safari Busy

[Ray Foret jr]

Well thanks Tim.  you duh man!!  I’ll give it a try sometime this weekend.


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> On Jun 23, 2017, at 9:02 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Ray,
> 
> The video you were watching probably was focusing on the use of ChromeVox on 
> a ChromeBook.  ChromeBooks are a totally different entity both from Mac and 
> Windows.  To finally get to your question though, using ChromeVox on the Mac 
> uses the ctrl and cmd keys much in the same way as you use the ctrl and 
> option with VO.  Use ctrl-cmd up and down arrow to move through major 
> elements, ctrl-cmd left/right to move through with a little more detail.  You 
> can also use ctrl-cmd-dash to decrease granularity and ctrl-cmd-plus to 
> increase granularity.  You'll hear CV announce things like lines and objects 
> when it's announcing its level of detail.  You can also use the tab key to 
> move through like you do in other browsers.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Later...
>  
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 22, 2017, at 20:46, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
> 
> So Tim, I looked at the video on Cromevox.  What I ain’t understandin’ is 
> this here.  What key on the Mac keyboard works as the “search” key?  I reckon 
> that what they call the alt key is equivalent to the Mac’s option key but 
> more info would be appreciated.  Tell you what, Crome does seem to load way 
> faster on the pages I’ve tried so far.  Even on:
> 
> www.newegg.com <http://www.newegg.com/>
> which has become almost unusable on Safari I can navigate it completely with 
> Crome under VO.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:36 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I use both.  Normally, when I go into Chrome, it's because something isn't 
>> working right in Safari, so I use ChromeVox.  When in some G Suite features 
>> like Docs and Sheets, ChromeVox works better.  The Admin Panel within the G 
>> Suite is also easier to navigate with ChromeVox, although there are times 
>> that I turn VO on to navigate tables more easily.  That could be just me not 
>> knowing all the proper CV tricks, or it could be that VO handles them 
>> better, I'm not sure.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 15:34, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net 
>> <mailto:n0...@charter.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> When using chrome, do you use voiceover or chromevox? I find the access with 
>> voiceover similar in both browsers, but there are times when chromevox will 
>> allow access to a site that voiceover has a problem with.
>>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That’s pretty much my use case as well.  If Safari chokes on a site chrome 
>>> usually gets it done and vise versa.  Also, there are times when things on 
>>> safari aren’t accessible but more controls and features are available on 
>>> chrome.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On the windows side I used to use Firefox as well as a third option but on 
>>> the Mac have been pretty much a safari and chrome user.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:35 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, Chrome works very well on a Mac.  It handles Google Apps 
>>>> services slightly better than Safari does.  It works well with VO, as in 
>>>> things like the Item Chooser and other web-router items work fairly well 
>>>> in it.  I swap back and forth between the two quite often when certain 
>>>> sites are not behaving themselves in either browser.  Many sighted users 
>>>> in our schools also switch back and forth when something is not 
>>>> cooperating.
>>>> 
>>>> Later...
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 21, 20

Re: Safari Busy

[Ray Foret jr]

Now that is very curious.  My keyboard echo is set to words, but wen I type in 
my e-mail address in to a user name field in Crome, I get character by 
character spoken just fine.


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> On Jun 23, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
> 
> For me, when I type in any text field, assuming keyboard echo is set to 
> character in voiceover, the characters are not spoken, and it happens on all 
> of my macs.
> Original message:
>> Now it’s interesting you should mention about the text not being spoken. 
>> Whenever I enter my user name in to the user name or user ID fields of the 
>> sites in to which I have logged on so far with Crome, the text has always 
>> spoken character by character. Now, do you mean they are not spoken while 
>> backspacing?
> 
>> As for the other issue, can’t verify that yet but I believe you.
> 
> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
> 
> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
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>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net 
>> <mailto:n0...@charter.net>> wrote:
> 
>> There is one major issue with using chrome and voiceover, when typing in 
>> text fields, the characters you type do not speak and the deleted character 
>> is not spoken when pressing backspace. The other current issue that I know 
>> of is that elements that are clickable but are not actually links are not 
>> indicated as such. Personally I wish all sites would just use links instead 
>> of clickable text, but chromevox does not indicate this either. It's good to 
>> have both browsers, if one has problems, try the other one.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 7:54 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
> 
>> Actually, growing quickly to love Google crome now!!! It’s already my 
>> default browser and I’ve imported all my Safari bookmarks. I haven’t 
>> bothered to load Cromevox because as yet, I see no need for it. Should I?
> 
> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se 
>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> I have it here but am not sure who recommended it.
>> It is accessible but why don’t you like chrome?
>> /A
> 
> 
>> 21 juni 2017 kl. 22:19 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>>:
> 
>> I will not touch Google Crome: but, what is this here thing called Lightning 
>> Browser? I reckon it’s accessible?
> 
> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se 
>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
>> /A
> 
> 
>> 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>>:
> 
>> Well, one thing’s for sure. You can forget
>> www.walmart.com <http://www.walmart.com>
> 
>> With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to. You get stuck and 
>> cannot go anywhere.
> 
>> You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it at 
>> all afterward.
> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page hard 
>> to use, but it

Re: Safari Busy

[Ray Foret jr]

So Tim, I looked at the video on Cromevox.  What I ain’t understandin’ is this 
here.  What key on the Mac keyboard works as the “search” key?  I reckon that 
what they call the alt key is equivalent to the Mac’s option key but more info 
would be appreciated.  Tell you what, Crome does seem to load way faster on the 
pages I’ve tried so far.  Even on:

www.newegg.com
which has become almost unusable on Safari I can navigate it completely with 
Crome under VO.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:36 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I use both.  Normally, when I go into Chrome, it's because something isn't 
> working right in Safari, so I use ChromeVox.  When in some G Suite features 
> like Docs and Sheets, ChromeVox works better.  The Admin Panel within the G 
> Suite is also easier to navigate with ChromeVox, although there are times 
> that I turn VO on to navigate tables more easily.  That could be just me not 
> knowing all the proper CV tricks, or it could be that VO handles them better, 
> I'm not sure.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 22, 2017, at 15:34, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
> 
> When using chrome, do you use voiceover or chromevox? I find the access with 
> voiceover similar in both browsers, but there are times when chromevox will 
> allow access to a site that voiceover has a problem with.
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> That’s pretty much my use case as well.  If Safari chokes on a site chrome 
>> usually gets it done and vise versa.  Also, there are times when things on 
>> safari aren’t accessible but more controls and features are available on 
>> chrome.
>> 
>> 
>> On the windows side I used to use Firefox as well as a third option but on 
>> the Mac have been pretty much a safari and chrome user.
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:35 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Actually, Chrome works very well on a Mac.  It handles Google Apps services 
>>> slightly better than Safari does.  It works well with VO, as in things like 
>>> the Item Chooser and other web-router items work fairly well in it.  I swap 
>>> back and forth between the two quite often when certain sites are not 
>>> behaving themselves in either browser.  Many sighted users in our schools 
>>> also switch back and forth when something is not cooperating.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 14:25, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's an android browser, and not relevant if you're using a Mac.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I will not touch Google Crome:  but, what is this here thing called 
>>>> Lightning Browser?  I reckon it’s accessible?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>>> built-in
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>> 
>>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
>>>>> /A
>>>>>> 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
>>>>>> www.walmart.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get 
>>>>>> stuck and cannot go anywhere.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it 
>>>>>> at all afterward.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>>>>> blind built-in
>>>>>> 
&g

Re: Safari Busy

[Ray Foret jr]

Now it’s interesting you should mention about the text not being spoken.  
Whenever I enter my user name in to the user name or user ID fields of the 
sites in to which I have logged on so far with Crome, the text has always 
spoken character by character.  Now, do you mean they are not spoken while 
backspacing?

As for the other issue, can’t verify that yet but I believe you.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jun 22, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
> 
> There is one major issue with using chrome and voiceover, when typing in text 
> fields, the characters you type do not speak and the deleted character is not 
> spoken when pressing backspace. The other current issue that I know of is 
> that elements that are clickable but are not actually links are not indicated 
> as such. Personally I wish all sites would just use links instead of 
> clickable text, but chromevox does not indicate this either. It's good to 
> have both browsers, if one has problems, try the other one.
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 7:54 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, growing quickly to love Google crome now!!!  It’s already my 
>> default browser and I’ve imported all my Safari bookmarks.  I haven’t 
>> bothered to load Cromevox because as yet, I see no need for it.  Should I?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I have it here but am not sure who recommended it.
>>> It is accessible but why don’t you like chrome?
>>> /A
>>>> 21 juni 2017 kl. 22:19 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:
>>>> 
>>>> I will not touch Google Crome:  but, what is this here thing called 
>>>> Lightning Browser?  I reckon it’s accessible?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>>> built-in
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>> 
>>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
>>>>> /A
>>>>>> 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
>>>>>> www.walmart.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get 
>>>>>> stuck and cannot go anywhere.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it 
>>>>>> at all afterward.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>>>>> blind built-in
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>>>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page 
>>>>>>> hard to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about 
>>>>>>> it. That said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you 
>>>>>>> do. I have no idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can 
>>>>>>> suggest is to contact Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic 
>>>>>>> files. When Safari is busy, hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After 
>>>>>>> a few minutes, you'll be placed in a Finder window where you'll find 

Re: Safari Busy

[Ray Foret jr]

Actually, growing quickly to love Google crome now!!!  It’s already my default 
browser and I’ve imported all my Safari bookmarks.  I haven’t bothered to load 
Cromevox because as yet, I see no need for it.  Should I?


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I have it here but am not sure who recommended it.
> It is accessible but why don’t you like chrome?
> /A
>> 21 juni 2017 kl. 22:19 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>>:
>> 
>> I will not touch Google Crome:  but, what is this here thing called 
>> Lightning Browser?  I reckon it’s accessible?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se 
>>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
>>> /A
>>>> 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>>:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
>>>> www.walmart.com <http://www.walmart.com/>
>>>> 
>>>> With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get stuck 
>>>> and cannot go anywhere.
>>>> 
>>>> You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it 
>>>> at all afterward.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>>> built-in
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>> 
>>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>>>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page 
>>>>> hard to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about it. 
>>>>> That said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you do. I 
>>>>> have no idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can suggest 
>>>>> is to contact Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic files. 
>>>>> When Safari is busy, hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few 
>>>>> minutes, you'll be placed in a Finder window where you'll find the file 
>>>>> you want to send along.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alex Hall
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Nimer Jaber <nimerjab...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:nimerjab...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am wondering which browser all of you use? I often experience Safari 
>>>>>> saying busy, busy, busy… and it is very frustrating… I have to say that 
>>>>>> my browsing experience is far from delightful. Does anyone else face 
>>>>>> these experiences? If so, which browser do you use?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
>>>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
>>>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark 
>>>>>> at:  macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+modera...@go

Re: Safari Busy

[Ray Foret jr]

Say, liking Crome so far.  Have you gotten stuff like Rumola to work using 
Crome?


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That’s pretty much my use case as well.  If Safari chokes on a site chrome 
> usually gets it done and vise versa.  Also, there are times when things on 
> safari aren’t accessible but more controls and features are available on 
> chrome.
>  
> 
> On the windows side I used to use Firefox as well as a third option but on 
> the Mac have been pretty much a safari and chrome user.
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:35 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Actually, Chrome works very well on a Mac.  It handles Google Apps services 
>> slightly better than Safari does.  It works well with VO, as in things like 
>> the Item Chooser and other web-router items work fairly well in it.  I swap 
>> back and forth between the two quite often when certain sites are not 
>> behaving themselves in either browser.  Many sighted users in our schools 
>> also switch back and forth when something is not cooperating.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 14:25, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> It's an android browser, and not relevant if you're using a Mac.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I will not touch Google Crome:  but, what is this here thing called 
>>> Lightning Browser?  I reckon it’s accessible?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se 
>>>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
>>>> /A
>>>>> 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
>>>>> www.walmart.com <http://www.walmart.com/>
>>>>> 
>>>>> With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get stuck 
>>>>> and cannot go anywhere.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it 
>>>>> at all afterward.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>>>> built-in
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page 
>>>>>> hard to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about 
>>>>>> it. That said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you 
>>>>>> do. I have no idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can 
>>>>>> suggest is to contact Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic 
>>>>>> files. When Safari is busy, hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a 
>>>>>> few minutes, you'll be placed in a Finder window where you'll find the 
>>>>>> file you want to send along.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Alex Hall
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 

Re: Safari Busy

[Ray Foret jr]

Well, I reckon I’ll have to revisit my assumptions them.  Thanks.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 3:35 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Actually, Chrome works very well on a Mac.  It handles Google Apps services 
> slightly better than Safari does.  It works well with VO, as in things like 
> the Item Chooser and other web-router items work fairly well in it.  I swap 
> back and forth between the two quite often when certain sites are not 
> behaving themselves in either browser.  Many sighted users in our schools 
> also switch back and forth when something is not cooperating.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 14:25, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> It's an android browser, and not relevant if you're using a Mac.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
> 
>> I will not touch Google Crome:  but, what is this here thing called 
>> Lightning Browser?  I reckon it’s accessible?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se 
>>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
>>> /A
>>>> 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>>:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
>>>> www.walmart.com <http://www.walmart.com/>
>>>> 
>>>> With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get stuck 
>>>> and cannot go anywhere.
>>>> 
>>>> You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it 
>>>> at all afterward.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>>> built-in
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>> 
>>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>>>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page 
>>>>> hard to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about it. 
>>>>> That said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you do. I 
>>>>> have no idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can suggest 
>>>>> is to contact Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic files. 
>>>>> When Safari is busy, hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few 
>>>>> minutes, you'll be placed in a Finder window where you'll find the file 
>>>>> you want to send along.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alex Hall
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Nimer Jaber <nimerjab...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:nimerjab...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am wondering which browser all of you use? I often experience Safari 
>>>>>> saying busy, busy, busy… and it is very frustrating… I have to say that 
>>>>>> my browsing experience is far from delightful. Does anyone else face 
>>>>>> these experiences? If so, which browser do you use?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you have any 

Re: Safari Busy

[Ray Foret jr]

It is just that from what I heard, it was impossible to use with Voice Over so 
you had to download a special google voice package for it or something.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What’s wrong with google chrome out of curiosity?
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> I will not touch Google Crome:  but, what is this here thing called 
>> Lightning Browser?  I reckon it’s accessible?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se 
>>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
>>> /A
>>>> 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>>:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
>>>> www.walmart.com <http://www.walmart.com/>
>>>> 
>>>> With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get stuck 
>>>> and cannot go anywhere.
>>>> 
>>>> You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it 
>>>> at all afterward.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>>> built-in
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>> 
>>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>>>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page 
>>>>> hard to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about it. 
>>>>> That said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you do. I 
>>>>> have no idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can suggest 
>>>>> is to contact Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic files. 
>>>>> When Safari is busy, hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few 
>>>>> minutes, you'll be placed in a Finder window where you'll find the file 
>>>>> you want to send along.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alex Hall
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Nimer Jaber <nimerjab...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:nimerjab...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am wondering which browser all of you use? I often experience Safari 
>>>>>> saying busy, busy, busy… and it is very frustrating… I have to say that 
>>>>>> my browsing experience is far from delightful. Does anyone else face 
>>>>>> these experiences? If so, which browser do you use?
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Re: Safari Busy

[Ray Foret jr]

I will not touch Google Crome:  but, what is this here thing called Lightning 
Browser?  I reckon it’s accessible?


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> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
> /A
>> 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>>:
>> 
>> Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
>> www.walmart.com <http://www.walmart.com/>
>> 
>> With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get stuck 
>> and cannot go anywhere.
>> 
>> You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it at 
>> all afterward.
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page 
>>> hard to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about it. 
>>> That said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you do. I 
>>> have no idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can suggest is 
>>> to contact Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic files. When 
>>> Safari is busy, hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few minutes, 
>>> you'll be placed in a Finder window where you'll find the file you want to 
>>> send along.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Nimer Jaber <nimerjab...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:nimerjab...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> I am wondering which browser all of you use? I often experience Safari 
>>>> saying busy, busy, busy… and it is very frustrating… I have to say that my 
>>>> browsing experience is far from delightful. Does anyone else face these 
>>>> experiences? If so, which browser do you use?
>>>> 
>>>> thanks.
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Re: Safari Busy

[Ray Foret jr]

Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
www.walmart.com

With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get stuck and 
cannot go anywhere.

You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it at all 
afterward.

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> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page hard 
> to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about it. That 
> said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you do. I have no 
> idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can suggest is to contact 
> Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic files. When Safari is busy, 
> hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few minutes, you'll be placed in 
> a Finder window where you'll find the file you want to send along.
> 
> --
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Nimer Jaber > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I am wondering which browser all of you use? I often experience Safari 
>> saying busy, busy, busy… and it is very frustrating… I have to say that my 
>> browsing experience is far from delightful. Does anyone else face these 
>> experiences? If so, which browser do you use?
>> 
>> thanks.
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Re: new features of iPhone next gen

[Ray Foret jr]

The answer is that you can’t:  period.  Either Apple does something about this 
or I guarantee you there will be a heck of a holler all across the country.  
But wait a second.  Let’s see what the facts of the case really turn out to be  
before we start chasing after every negative rumor out there as if it might be 
true.


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> On Jun 19, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott and others.
> 
> How the hell is a blind person to use a phone if one has to use face 
> recognition?  I for one have no sight, have never seen and can't even hold a 
> phone steady or in the right position for a picture to do its work.  I've 
> even tried Tap tap C to aim the phone at something and it aims at the wrong 
> thing.  So you know what I'm getting at.  May be Apple will do something with 
> Voice Over to make face recognition do something for a blind person.  They 
> normally work round these kinds of things but if they can't this time then 
> that will be a first hey!
>> On 19 Jun 2017, at 15:53, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Simon,
>> 
>> The new iPhone is projected to have some sort of facial recognition. 
>>  The retinal scanning it’s been my experience does not work for a blind 
>> person.  I have tried to use this in data centers instead of palm prints or 
>> facial recognition and the systems require the user to focus on a point.  If 
>> you can’t see and focus on the point you’re a no go.  Your mileage may vary 
>> as I do not have retinas and irises to scan.  It’s more than just pointing 
>> your eyeball at a screen though if that helps.
>> 
>> As for the S8 in general, you do not want th is phone it’s largely garbage.  
>> The finger print reader is right next to the camera so you smudge your 
>> camera continuously, the phone has had issues with crashing, it’s under 
>> powered using the Snap Dragon processors, and there’s a really bad 
>> implementation of the virtual home button.  There are some interesting 
>> cellular features but over all the phone is a miss in my opinion.  If you 
>> want to go android and try it out go Pixel or Pixel xl, specifically wait 
>> for fall and this years new releases of the Google Pixel line.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 5:17 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> 
>>> I thought I’d ask this question and see what people think,
>>> 
>>> I was looking at the new Samsung Galaxy S8 today and must admit it’s a 
>>> bloody nicely designed device,
>>> However it’s an android device so it will be a very big second choice if 
>>> I’m to get a new phone.
>>> 
>>> A couple of things I did note from it was a couple of security features,
>>> 
>>> Facial scanning recognition for unlocking your phone and also iris scanning 
>>> recognition for also security like unlocking your phone etc,
>>> 
>>> Now what I want to know is,
>>> Will iris scanning work for a blind person?
>>> 
>>> This feature on the S8 has a depth related scanning so it can’t seemingly 
>>> be fooled with a photo,
>>> And in my case I still have my own eyes although they don’t work one is 
>>> white with I forget what,
>>> But I wonder will this work for those of us with eyeballs?
>>> 
>>> And more to the point will apple even look at these types of security 
>>> features in the next version of the iPhone?
>>> 
>>> Discuss!
>>> 
>>> Simon F
>>> 
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Re: Free/Cheap Audio Editor that Works with VO?

[Ray Foret jr]

Thing is this.  IS Pro Tools still the official audio industry standard?  In 
other words, do they think, “if you don’t use Pro Tools, you are not 
legitimately one of us and don’t belong with us.”?


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> On May 10, 2017, at 12:50 PM, christopher hallsworth 
> <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Oh wow sounds interesting a free version of ProTools which I always thought 
> was not available for the majority due to the high price tag.
>> On 10 May 2017, at 15:49, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Des,
>> 
>> What about pro tools first?
>> Its free & you can record up to 16 tracks with it. :)
>> HTH
>> Chuck
>> 
>> On May 9, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Des Delgadillo wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for this. I’ll check this stuff out.
>>> 
>>> Des Delgadillo
>>> Reporter
>>> desdelgadi...@gmail.com
>>> (562) 652-3415
>>> 
>>>> On May 8, 2017, at 8:41 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Two posibilities come to mind.
>>>> 
>>>> Amadeus Pro, (which I am using) and Reaper.  Here’s a page that might help 
>>>> with Reaper:
>>>> 
>>>> https://reaperaccess.com/notes-for-blind-users/
>>>> 
>>>> and here’s a page about Amadeus Pro.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.applevis.com/apps/mac/productivity/amadeus-pro
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>>>> On May 8, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Des Delgadillo <desdelgadi...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> i’d been using Protools for a few years until recently, as my student 
>>>>> subscription expired and buying at full price is out of the cards right 
>>>>> now.
>>>>> Looking for a good audio editor that works relatively well on Mac. I’m 
>>>>> sure I won’t find anything as feature-rich as PT, but any suggestions 
>>>>> would help.
>>>>> A lot of my work includes radio production and imaging as well as small 
>>>>> PSA and commercial production and occasional radio news packages.
>>>>> And before anyone suggests it, the new Garage Band is really confusing 
>>>>> me. Any walkthroughs or tutorials available on that?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>> 
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>>>>> Reporter
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Re: Free/Cheap Audio Editor that Works with VO?

[Ray Foret jr]

Two posibilities come to mind.

Amadeus Pro, (which I am using) and Reaper.  Here’s a page that might help with 
Reaper:

https://reaperaccess.com/notes-for-blind-users/

and here’s a page about Amadeus Pro.

https://www.applevis.com/apps/mac/productivity/amadeus-pro


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> On May 8, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Des Delgadillo  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> i’d been using Protools for a few years until recently, as my student 
> subscription expired and buying at full price is out of the cards right now.
> Looking for a good audio editor that works relatively well on Mac. I’m sure I 
> won’t find anything as feature-rich as PT, but any suggestions would help.
> A lot of my work includes radio production and imaging as well as small PSA 
> and commercial production and occasional radio news packages.
> And before anyone suggests it, the new Garage Band is really confusing me. 
> Any walkthroughs or tutorials available on that?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
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> Reporter
> desdelgadi...@gmail.com
> (562) 652-3415
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Re: Apple Accessibility is great.

[Ray Foret jr]

Kawal,

What causes you to think we want to “slag Apple off”?  Surely, you are aware 
that most of us here use Macs and other Apple products with a fairly high 
degree of personal and professional satisfaction.  As for the e-mail you 
mentioned, surely, you are aware that this was a spam e-mail designed to scare 
you?  You were right to be suspicious.  Yes, Apple’s accessibility department 
has undergone much revision of late and this fact can be hard to see if one has 
not dealt with Apple over the phone for a little while.  I myself came from 
using windows and JAWS back in November of 2009.  I can say without reservation 
that it is my firm intention to NEVER switch back to windows.


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> On Apr 25, 2017, at 12:48 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Before any of you slag Apple off, just listen to my story then you can slagg 
> Apple to high heaven!
> 
> Today I found an e-mail which said that my Apple Storage plan was under 
> threat.  So I got really worried because recently I had a lot of e-mails 
> which were all phishing e-mails and wanted to make sure this was not another 
> one.
> 
> So I called the normal number which I normally called and after talking to an 
> apple advisor, he put me through to Apple accessibility who really helped 
> with everything.  I'll tell you, he was great.  He also said that the 
> department was open 24 7 and he gave me the UK Accessibility phone number 
> which I paste below for those who live in the UK.
> 
> The number is:
> 
> 0800 048 0754.
> 
> Please give this number to your friends who use Apple.
> 
> I cannot praise the person on the other end highly enough as he solved my 
> problems in about 5 minutes.  However we chatted for at least 20 minutes.  He 
> was so imporessed with my voice over skills as he said he spoke to a lot of 
> people who had lost their vision or who had come to use voice over after 
> switching from jaws.
> 
> So now who ever wants to, can slag Apple off to their heart's content!  I 
> won't this evening.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: KNFB For The Mac

[Ray Foret jr]

As did I. indeed, I challenged them to put out a call in the Braille Monitor to 
see who would be interested in KFB reader for the Mac and see what response 
they’d get back.  Believe it or not, NFB members use Macs too.


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> On Apr 25, 2017, at 10:23 AM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
> 
> I just wrote to them.
> Thanks
> Nancy
>> On Apr 25, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Ian Robinson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I’m fairly new to the Mac and to this list, so apologies if the below has 
>> been discussed before.
>> 
>> I’ve been trying the demos of Fine Reader and prizmo.  Before parting with 
>> any money I contacted KNFB to see if there is any chance of a Mac version.  
>> They gave me permission to forward the reply, so here it is.
>> 
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: Support >
>>> Subject: RE: KNFB For The Mac
>>> Date: 19 April 2017 at 17:34:43 BST
>>> To: Ian Robinson
>>> 
>>> Hello Ian,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your interest in KNFB Reader. 
>>> 
>>> At the moment, there are no plans to develop a Mac version of KNFB Reader. 
>>> I am aware that there is no good solution for the Mac. I have not used 
>>> FineReader. I have used docuScan, and it seems adequate, though it has been 
>>> years. 
>>> 
>>> I would love to see a Mac version, but the general feeling is that there 
>>> would not be enough demand. If you have all of your Mac using friends write 
>>> to me, perhaps you could change the minds of management. 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Joel
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Ian Robinson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:44 AM
>>> To: Support >
>>> Subject: KNFB For The Mac
>>> 
>>> I've used KNFB on an iPhone for a while and have recently heard that it is 
>>> available for Windows 10.
>>> Do you have any plans to release KNFB for the Mac?
>>> 
>>> I'm thinking of getting Fine Reader for the Mac, but will wait if there is 
>>> any chance of getting KNFB instead.
>>> 
>>> With thanks.
>>> 
>>> Ian Robinson
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital assistant game

[Ray Foret jr]

I’m not arguing your points:  still, I say that if you and the rest write 
directly to Cook at the address I gave, he will see what you have to say.  I 
know this because he does in fact see a lot of the e-mail that goes to that 
address and in some cases, actually responds to it.


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> On Apr 22, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ray, if Tim Cook were a decent CEO Apple wouldn’t be in this problem.  Here’s 
> a guy who has totally rested on Steve Job’s laurels.  Let’s think about it, 
> exactly how much has the iPhone changed since Job’s death.  Siri has 
> completely stagnated, the shape is basically unchanged, the video processor 
> hasn’t been changed in several versions, the Modems are now and have been 
> consistently behind the times, and the big change is to add the Fingerprint 
> censor to the rest of the product line?  Really?  Dropping the phone jack is 
> the only brassy thing that Apple has done since 2012.
>   Siri bothers me the most though because Apple was first and had a great 
> idea that they squandered in my opinion.  I will give them credit on 
> developing the A10 processor which is a good thing (and the previous apple 
> series processors) but let’s face it, that part of the operation is actually 
> farmed out to another company.  They need to breathe new life in to the 
> design team and stop doing stupid things like buying karaoke car pool, Lyft 
> and stop buying stolen headphone designs from Dr Dre who ripped them off from 
> Monster cable’s designer.
>   I’m not sure I’ll bother writing Tim Cook but I may go to the next 
> stock holders meeting.  The iMac is at least a chance to redeem themselves 
> and it looks like they may, here’s hoping but it’s not that hard to design 
> good laptops and PCs.  They really just need to get it in gear.
> 
> 
>  
>> On Apr 22, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, Scot, it’s all well and good for you to say that on here:  but, don’t 
>> you think your message might carry more weight if you wrote Cook himself?
>> 
>> tc...@apple.com <mailto:tc...@apple.com>
>> 
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>>> On Apr 22, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, Apple brought us Siri and we had hi hopes but they’ve let it fall flat 
>>> on it’s face and are being schooled by Amazon and especially google.  Let’s 
>>> look at the announcements recently from the 3 companies.  Alexa continues 
>>> to make strides with additional integration across multiple platforms and 
>>> expanded languages and ability to parse complex sentences,  Google takes 
>>> things even farther allowing their units to distinguish between users by 
>>> their voices, provides tight integration with hundreds of data sources and 
>>> literally adds features on a biweekly basis, and Apple, what’s Apple 
>>> announcing.  Siri now can read your what’s app messages.  (Big freaking 
>>> whoop Apple).  Google announces multiple voice recognition and the addition 
>>> of real neural net technology and Apple can now read text messages from a 
>>> 3rd party app.  They have to do better.  The iPhone is such a good phone in 
>>> every way but then you’re stuck with Siri.  You are letting us down Apple, 
>>> you’re not innovating any more and you’re going to see folks like my self 
>>> for example jump off the Apple band wagon and squarely on to the Google 
>>> Pixel band wagon if you don’t get your act together.  Here’s a link to the 
>>> big announcement AKA Apple’s continued stagnation.
>>> 
>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/siri-on-ios-10.3-can-now-read-out-new-whatsapp-messages-for-you/
>>>  
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Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital assistant game

[Ray Foret jr]

Well, Scot, it’s all well and good for you to say that on here:  but, don’t you 
think your message might carry more weight if you wrote Cook himself?

tc...@apple.com


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> On Apr 22, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So, Apple brought us Siri and we had hi hopes but they’ve let it fall flat on 
> it’s face and are being schooled by Amazon and especially google.  Let’s look 
> at the announcements recently from the 3 companies.  Alexa continues to make 
> strides with additional integration across multiple platforms and expanded 
> languages and ability to parse complex sentences,  Google takes things even 
> farther allowing their units to distinguish between users by their voices, 
> provides tight integration with hundreds of data sources and literally adds 
> features on a biweekly basis, and Apple, what’s Apple announcing.  Siri now 
> can read your what’s app messages.  (Big freaking whoop Apple).  Google 
> announces multiple voice recognition and the addition of real neural net 
> technology and Apple can now read text messages from a 3rd party app.  They 
> have to do better.  The iPhone is such a good phone in every way but then 
> you’re stuck with Siri.  You are letting us down Apple, you’re not innovating 
> any more and you’re going to see folks like my self for example jump off the 
> Apple band wagon and squarely on to the Google Pixel band wagon if you don’t 
> get your act together.  Here’s a link to the big announcement AKA Apple’s 
> continued stagnation.
> 
> http://www.redmondpie.com/siri-on-ios-10.3-can-now-read-out-new-whatsapp-messages-for-you/
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Re: How To Stop Those Annoying, Endless Robocalls To Your Smartphone, USA Today

[Ray Foret jr]

Yep, to ansewr a call quickly, just double tap two fingers on the screen.  That 
hangs up a  call too.


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> On Apr 21, 2017, at 2:27 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Really?  Thanx for that tip.
>  Is there a shortcut to answer them?
>> On Apr 18, 2017, at 12:47 AM, Gabe Griffith  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Yes, tapping the power button twice will decline the call and send it 
>> straight to voicemail.
>> Gabe
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Gabe's iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 17, 2017, at 8:10 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Exactly what I do, ignore callers who are not in my contacts. I also press 
>>> the sleep button to stop the ringing. I think pressing sleep twice sends 
>>> the caller straight to voicemail, not sure. A legitimate caller will leave 
>>> a voicemail.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 4/17/2017 7:03 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
 I want my policy to be to remember not to answer every ring with a 
 stranger’s number.  If the person really wants to talk, he/she can simply 
 leave a message.  But thanks for sharing.  It would probably cut down on 
 the ringing.  I wish everybody would show those scammers that their work 
 isn’t worth it!  I read an article some time ago about how we can make a 
 little profit by fining marketers for calling even when we have Do Not 
 Call registered, but I’m not sure if it’s only for landlines.
 
 Gerr!
 
> On Apr 17, 2017, at 6:56 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I hope you find the following article helpful.
> 
> Mark
> 
> HOW TO STOP THOSE ANNOYING, ENDLESS ROBOCALLS TO YOUR SMARTPHONE
> By Jennifer Jolly, Special for USA Today.
> 
> Have you noticed an uptick in those super annoying robocalls, 
> telemarketers,
> and scams hitting up your smartphone all hours of the day and night? I 
> have,
> and it's driving me nuts. Last month, I had a bogus call to lower my
> electricity bill. A few weeks ago, it was a pause after I said hello, 
> then a
> woman saying, 'Oh, I'm sorry, I'm adjusting my headset,' before launching
> into a sales pitch of some sort. And then there's the daily deluge of
> numbers that look legit ' like my daughter's school calling, or a media
> outlet from Manhattan ' only to end up being an obvious scam. This is 
> George
> Michael,' says a male caller with a heavy accent, 'calling from your 
> online
> pharmacy with your diet medication. Talk about adding insult to injury.
> According to the Federal Communications Commission , there are nearly 2.4
> billion robocalls made every month. That's more than 7'calls per person,
> according to new research from the YouMail Robocall Index. At best, the
> calls are frustrating. At worst, they're robbing us blind . So what can we
> do about it once and for all? Let's start with a little self-education. 
> How
> the heck are these criminal-callers getting our cell numbers in the first
> place? If you don't post it publicly across social media, use it on shady
> shopping sites, or shout it out to every telemarketer who calls ' how is 
> it
> getting out there? The Better Business Bureau recommends Googling your own
> number. Do it. I'll wait. Was it there? Mine was. It might not be 
> alongside
> your name, but chances are it's there, collected by a 'people search'
> company like Nuwber that aggregates information from 'White Pages 
> listings,
> Public Records and Social Network Information. Thanks to modern 
> technology,
> these lists are now easy for cyber scammers to scrape. 'And that's how the
> the robo-games begin. Related: Putting your number in the Do Not Call
> registry is one step to blocking robocalls. (Photo: Jennifer Jolly for USA
> TODAY.) If you haven't already, add your cell number to the National Do 
> Not
> Call list . I just went there to verify that I'm on the list and sure
> enough, I've been registered since February 2006. So much for that.
> Obviously, it doesn't fix the issue all the way around, but it does help
> keep legitimate companies from cold-calling you. Sadly for us, the 
> bad-guys
> have easy workarounds (like #1). If you're already on the Do Not Call
> Registry and still get hit up, report the calls to the FTC , which 
> compiles
> the reports and hands 

Re: something seems to be pulling on my Mac resources

[Ray Foret jr]

Okay, but, how can I use that table?  I did give it a try and could make almost 
nothing of what it was telling me.  Next time it happens, I’ll try again.  I 
could make out that what ever it was, at least fiftey percent of my processor 
resources were being used.


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> On Apr 10, 2017, at 8:49 AM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ray,
>When the fan seems to spin up, check Activity Monitor and the processor 
> list table. That will show you what is actually eating resources best. I've 
> used this a few times to find out that a specific app or process was cranking 
> up and chewing up a lot of overhead.
> 
> 
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>> On Apr 10, 2017, at 5:12 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Okay,
>> 
>> Every once in a while, and just now too, my Mac’s fan goes up to full speed, 
>> and I’m not doing anything demanding on it or anything.  How can I use the 
>> actividty monitor to try to determin what could be pulling so hard on my Mac 
>> that my fan is going up to full speed and stop it?
>> 
>> 
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something seems to be pulling on my Mac resources

[Ray Foret jr]

Okay,

Every once in a while, and just now too, my Mac’s fan goes up to full speed, 
and I’m not doing anything demanding on it or anything.  How can I use the 
actividty monitor to try to determin what could be pulling so hard on my Mac 
that my fan is going up to full speed and stop it?


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Re: Billing problems with apple music.

[Ray Foret jr]

First, did you go to your Apple ID account and update your billing information 
there?  That’s where you need to do this.  Make very certain your Apple Account 
has this new credit card and furthmore, make sure you actually have activated 
the card before updating it with Aple. Make sure that, if you have other 
payment options, the card you actually want to use is the one checked.

That’s all I can suggest now.


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> On Apr 3, 2017, at 3:52 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I have got a new Visa card and updated my credencials on my apple account.
> This because i was not able to pay my bill to apple music.
> Now it still complains about that.
> I wonder what to do.
> I updated the Info on last saturday.
> I got the note from apple today so i am not sure what to do.
> All help is appreciated.
> /A
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Re: A service better than drop box, I love it!

[Ray Foret jr]

Only thing is this.  How does stuff you upload to Pcloud not take up space in 
your hard drive?  As we all know, in Dropbox, what ever you load in to Dropbox 
has to also take up space on a hard drive, (in my case a 1TB partition on an 
external Western Digital Mypassport drive).  So, if in fact physical hard drive 
space is not being used, this could be an advantage when backing up my Mac:  
especially maybe for critical license key files and disk image files where apps 
are stored.


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> On Mar 27, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> sort of.  From that link, you are being invited to have a Premium membership. 
>  The Premium membership has a monthly fee and you are offered your first 
> month for free.  That's why you are also asked for credit card info.  You can 
> accept this, then make sure that you change it down to a regular account 
> prior to the 30 day trial ending.  Alternatively, you can just sign up 
> yourself, without the invitation eMail from Kliphton.  this will not give 
> Kliphton the invitation rewards, but it's the same thing in the end.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 27, 2017, at 13:29, Jessica Moss  > wrote:
> 
> Ok, this is telling me it's only a 30-day tryal, is this correct?
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Kliphton Miller 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 9:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: A service better than drop box, I love it!
>> 
>> I am on there too, about to leave cause it’s a waste of my time.  I have 
>> more than most.
>>> On Mar 27, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> What's the name of this media service you're with?  I'm a part of the 
>>> mediareq list, and love it, but dispise sendspace, partly because of their 
>>> ads, and because it's so slow and you're only allowed so much that you can 
>>> download per day.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Kliphton Miller 
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 7:20 AM
 Subject: Re: A service better than drop box, I love it!
 
 Get them to sign up with your share link, and you can earn up to 20GB of 
 free storage, I got mine all in 1 day.
> On Mar 26, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Krister Ekstrom  > wrote:
> 
> I can report that the PCloud service looks quite nice on a Samsung Galaxy 
> S7 Edge with Android 7.x. Really starting to like this service but wonder 
> whether to change completely from Dropbox to PCloud given that i have 
> friends on Dropbox whom i don’t know if i can convince to get over to 
> PCloud and another mailing list that i’m a member of is sharing their 
> stuff on Dropbox and it’s quite large.
> /Krister
> 
>> 26 mars 2017 kl. 15:30 skrev Kliphton Miller > >:
>> 
>> I have heard there is a windows desktop client that downloads to your pc 
>> once you are signed up.
>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Ryan Mann >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> In Windows, can you access the drive from Windows Explorer  once you 
>>> sign up?  I can with Dropbox and Google Drive. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 7:03 AM, Kliphton Miller >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Sorry, you are correct.  It works on Mac and IOS, but can’t say for 
 sure for windows or android.  Although I heard if you are using 
 windows, to sign up with fire fox, then IE willwork 
 once your signed up.
> On Mar 26, 2017, at 3:09 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
> HI Cliffton,
> You say it’s fully accessible for MAC and PC, but not sure for 
> windows or android,
> Do you mean it’s fully accessible for IOS and Mac OS ??
> Sounds pretty good but just want to confirm
> Cheers,
> Simon F
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Re: another weather site?

[Ray Foret jr]

Odd, seems to be okay now.  Here’s the page I use:

https://braille.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?brand=braille=70363


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> On Mar 27, 2017, at 9:51 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Ray,
>   The site has been having problems, very minor ones, for some time. This is 
> as bad as I've seen it.
> 
>   I sent an email which has not been returned so it was a gremlin on yours. 
> Be sure to paste the link you use to access the site.
> 
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> On 3/27/2017 1:07 AM, Ray Foret jr wrote:
>> Okay,
>> 
>> Until now, I had been using the Braille Underground weather site to get
>> my forcasts.  However, of late, the forcasts get shorter and shorter
>> until, this very morning, I only see the forcast for today and no
>> further.  Looks like the site is or may be sunsetting.  Attempts to
>> contact them have resulted in message return errors.
>> 
>> Any accessible alternative sites for the Mac for weather?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
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Re: A feature pCloud has, that drop box does not

[Ray Foret jr]

Well, Kliphton, all the people  whom I have known in my life who bear the last 
name of “Miller” have been fine upstanding people.  Seems to me this is worth a 
look.  Thanks.


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> On Mar 27, 2017, at 5:26 AM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
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>> So, not only can you send someone a link to download things, but you can 
>> send a link to anyone to upload things directly to your folder, and you do 
>> not, I repeat do not need an account to upload or download directly to or 
>> from someones pCloud folder.  It may have improved since last I tried, but 
>> dropbox gives you a headache when downloading something and you are not 
>> signed in.  JMO.  Anyway, I got 2 months free because of people signing up 
>> with my link, so here is the link to my lists of what I have.  If you want 
>> something, just email me off list
>> https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZurUUZ98BYXaD6mCBUGO7ujSVYc4PMOfmX 
>> 
>> 
>> Enjoy!
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another weather site?

[Ray Foret jr]

Okay,

Until now, I had been using the Braille Underground weather site to get my 
forcasts.  However, of late, the forcasts get shorter and shorter until, this 
very morning, I only see the forcast for today and no further.  Looks like the 
site is or may be sunsetting.  Attempts to contact them have resulted in 
message return errors.

Any accessible alternative sites for the Mac for weather?

Thanks.


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Re: A service better than drop box, I love it!

[Ray Foret jr]

Can’t find out how much for how much.


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> On Mar 25, 2017, at 1:33 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for this tip, Klyph!!  They do offer an insane amount of storage!!  
> this is way more storage then I get with my drop box pro account!
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2017, at 9:08 AM, Kliphton Miller > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay, I am on another list that shares media and other things.  And instead 
>>> of using dropbox, or send space with I absolutely hate, they used a service 
>>> called “pCloud”. It has a IOS, Mac, windows, and android app.  You get 10GB 
>>> free, and get 1GB up to 20gb free for referring a friend.  You get upload 
>>> and download traffic allowances, and the app is 100 percent accessible on 
>>> both Mac and PC.  CAn’t say for windows or android, cause I don’t use it on 
>>> either of those platforms.  Anyway, it’s free, unless you want to upgrade, 
>>> and there plans are insanely cheap.  Anyway, below is my referral link.  
>>> Sign up with it, and we both get a free GB.
>>> https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: A simple audio converter on mac

[Ray Foret jr]

IF you don’t mind paying a little, might I suggest “Easy Music Converter”?


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> On Mar 23, 2017, at 5:01 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
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> Hello all:
> 
> I need an accessible audio converter on mac.
> Thanks
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Re: any good and actually accessible third party transfer tools

[Ray Foret jr]

That is strange.  How is it that it’s accessible for you and not me?  All I get 
is tables that say Unknown unknown unknown and so forth.  Can’t get past that 
with the demo version of it at all.  You must have set something differently 
than I did or else you’re using a different version.  What ever it may be, I’d 
like to know.


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> On Mar 5, 2017, at 10:26 AM, Rami Ahmad <blindathle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> IMazing is accessible in the most part of it. i am using it to backup and 
> browse my iDevice contents.
>  
> 
> On Mar 5, 2017, at 6:30 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
> 
>> Imazing is totally worse than useless for us because it’s totally not 
>> accessible at all.  Just tried a demo of it.  Worse than  useless.
>> 
>> 
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>> built-in
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>> 
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>> 
>>> On Mar 5, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Robert Carter <nc5rn...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:nc5rn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I thought the iMazing app was accessible but am not sure. I have not tried 
>>> it but it is the transfer tool that I hear most often referred to.
>>> 
>>> Robert Carter
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 4, 2017, at 7:15 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> That I will.  I thought I’d give iTools Pro a look and it looks like it’s 
>>>> also going to work:  but, here’s the funny thing.  Turns out that the 
>>>> files I thought I had on my iPhone might actually be in iCloud Music 
>>>> because I can access them on my phone but when I went to take a good close 
>>>> look, I saw download uttons by each custom album and the download buttons 
>>>> are not dimmed out.  However, I do thank you for the Waltr2 reference.
>>>> 
>>>> I will have to go take a look at that.  
>>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>>> built-in
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>> 
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>>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 4, 2017, at 4:02 PM, jeff `greene <greenebo...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:greenebo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Ray, I just bought Waltr2 from softorino software. It seems pretty
>>>>> accessible and supposedly you can transfrer anything to or from your
>>>>> iphone to your mac or windows pc. It costs $39 just google it!
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/4/17, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:sandi1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> Okay thought image capture would do the trick, i guess you are left with
>>>>>> email.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 3/4/17, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:sandi1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Ray, let me try something and be back with you :)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 3/4/17, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>>>>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Was hoping I would be able to hook up my iPHone directly to my Mac 
>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>> USB
>>>>>>>> and use an actually accessible transfer app to take care of it.  Jail
>>>>>>>> break
>>>>>>>> is not an option nor is Drop Box it looks like because I get transfer
>>>>>>>> errors
>>>>>>>> in spite of the buttons all being there and not grayed out.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>

Re: any good and actually accessible third party transfer tools

[Ray Foret jr]

Imazing is totally worse than useless for us because it’s totally not 
accessible at all.  Just tried a demo of it.  Worse than  useless.


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> On Mar 5, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Robert Carter <nc5rn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I thought the iMazing app was accessible but am not sure. I have not tried it 
> but it is the transfer tool that I hear most often referred to.
> 
> Robert Carter
> 
> 
>> On Mar 4, 2017, at 7:15 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> That I will.  I thought I’d give iTools Pro a look and it looks like it’s 
>> also going to work:  but, here’s the funny thing.  Turns out that the files 
>> I thought I had on my iPhone might actually be in iCloud Music because I can 
>> access them on my phone but when I went to take a good close look, I saw 
>> download uttons by each custom album and the download buttons are not dimmed 
>> out.  However, I do thank you for the Waltr2 reference.
>> 
>> I will have to go take a look at that.  
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Mar 4, 2017, at 4:02 PM, jeff `greene <greenebo...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:greenebo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ray, I just bought Waltr2 from softorino software. It seems pretty
>>> accessible and supposedly you can transfrer anything to or from your
>>> iphone to your mac or windows pc. It costs $39 just google it!
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/4/17, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:sandi1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> Okay thought image capture would do the trick, i guess you are left with
>>>> email.
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/4/17, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:sandi1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> Ray, let me try something and be back with you :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/4/17, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>>> Was hoping I would be able to hook up my iPHone directly to my Mac using
>>>>>> USB
>>>>>> and use an actually accessible transfer app to take care of it.  Jail
>>>>>> break
>>>>>> is not an option nor is Drop Box it looks like because I get transfer
>>>>>> errors
>>>>>> in spite of the buttons all being there and not grayed out.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
>>>>>> blind
>>>>>> built-in
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless
>>>>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ray,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I believe that with IOS applications you are dependent on what that
>>>>>>> application wants to make available. Generally, if the share activities
>>>>>>> area allows you to share to DropBox or iTunes then you should be in
>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>> good shape to get the file on your Macintosh. Other than that, I
>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>> that a Jail Break solution is your only other alternative, an even then
>>>>>>> you would have to do some reverse engineering for each application.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is there perhaps a share via e-mail option for what you want to share?
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> always claimed that eMail was not a file transfer protocol, but in
>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>> 

Re: any good and actually accessible third party transfer tools

[Ray Foret jr]

That I will.  I thought I’d give iTools Pro a look and it looks like it’s also 
going to work:  but, here’s the funny thing.  Turns out that the files I 
thought I had on my iPhone might actually be in iCloud Music because I can 
access them on my phone but when I went to take a good close look, I saw 
download uttons by each custom album and the download buttons are not dimmed 
out.  However, I do thank you for the Waltr2 reference.

I will have to go take a look at that.  
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> On Mar 4, 2017, at 4:02 PM, jeff `greene <greenebo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ray, I just bought Waltr2 from softorino software. It seems pretty
> accessible and supposedly you can transfrer anything to or from your
> iphone to your mac or windows pc. It costs $39 just google it!
> Jeff
> 
> 
> On 3/4/17, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Okay thought image capture would do the trick, i guess you are left with
>> email.
>> 
>> On 3/4/17, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Ray, let me try something and be back with you :)
>>> 
>>> On 3/4/17, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Was hoping I would be able to hook up my iPHone directly to my Mac using
>>>> USB
>>>> and use an actually accessible transfer app to take care of it.  Jail
>>>> break
>>>> is not an option nor is Drop Box it looks like because I get transfer
>>>> errors
>>>> in spite of the buttons all being there and not grayed out.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>> 
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>>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 4, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ray,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I believe that with IOS applications you are dependent on what that
>>>>> application wants to make available. Generally, if the share activities
>>>>> area allows you to share to DropBox or iTunes then you should be in
>>>>> pretty
>>>>> good shape to get the file on your Macintosh. Other than that, I
>>>>> believe
>>>>> that a Jail Break solution is your only other alternative, an even then
>>>>> you would have to do some reverse engineering for each application.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is there perhaps a share via e-mail option for what you want to share?
>>>>> I
>>>>> always claimed that eMail was not a file transfer protocol, but in
>>>>> these
>>>>> days of automatically using iCloud for mail file attachments,
>>>>> consistent
>>>>> use of MIME  encapsulation, and encryption mail services it often seems
>>>>> to
>>>>> be more secure and reliable than using ftp, sftp rcp or other
>>>>> alternatives
>>>>> especially if you don't have an account on the both  systems.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In general the Apple environment has been moving away from user
>>>>> controlled
>>>>> cross application support to instead use restricted use extensions that
>>>>> only allow controlled access from one application or service to
>>>>> another.
>>>>> This improves security of the systems but makes it difficult when the
>>>>> user
>>>>> does not fit into the standard mold. I just found on my work computer I
>>>>> was unable to rename a text file with an html extension except by going
>>>>> into the terminal.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If this type of thing interests you, there was a great article last
>>>>> month
>>>>> I can written by a former Apple employee about how Extension services
>>>>> are
>>>>> not as flexible or powerful as the Scripting functionality in MacOS and
>>>>> how if Apple reduces support for this, then power users will be forced
>>>>> to
>>>>> other platforms.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>

Re: any good and actually accessible third party transfer tools

[Ray Foret jr]

Was hoping I would be able to hook up my iPHone directly to my Mac using USB 
and use an actually accessible transfer app to take care of it.  Jail break is 
not an option nor is Drop Box it looks like because I get transfer errors in 
spite of the buttons all being there and not grayed out.


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> On Mar 4, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ray,
> 
> I believe that with IOS applications you are dependent on what that 
> application wants to make available. Generally, if the share activities area 
> allows you to share to DropBox or iTunes then you should be in pretty good 
> shape to get the file on your Macintosh. Other than that, I believe that a 
> Jail Break solution is your only other alternative, an even then you would 
> have to do some reverse engineering for each application. 
> 
> Is there perhaps a share via e-mail option for what you want to share? I 
> always claimed that eMail was not a file transfer protocol, but in these days 
> of automatically using iCloud for mail file attachments, consistent use of 
> MIME  encapsulation, and encryption mail services it often seems to be more 
> secure and reliable than using ftp, sftp rcp or other alternatives especially 
> if you don't have an account on the both  systems.
> 
> In general the Apple environment has been moving away from user controlled 
> cross application support to instead use restricted use extensions that only 
> allow controlled access from one application or service to another. This 
> improves security of the systems but makes it difficult when the user does 
> not fit into the standard mold. I just found on my work computer I was unable 
> to rename a text file with an html extension except by going into the 
> terminal. 
> 
> If this type of thing interests you, there was a great article last month I 
> can written by a former Apple employee about how Extension services are not 
> as flexible or powerful as the Scripting functionality in MacOS and how if 
> Apple reduces support for this, then power users will be forced to other 
> platforms.
> 
>   
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Okay,
>> 
>> Does anybody out there know of a good and actually accessible third party 
>> transfer tool with which I can transfer content from my iPhone to my Mac?  
>> And please don’t mention iTunes because that will not do what I want to do.  
>> Everything I have tried has basically just plain sucked because it’s not 
>> accessible.  Even iMazing is not accessible.  It seems that even  anytrans, 
>> (which used to be reasonably accessible) has gone down the tubes.  It would 
>> appear, (so far) as if there is not a single third party transfer app that 
>> is worth much a damn!!!  Any thoughts?  Oh, and before you say Drop box, 
>> that won’t do it either.  I tried to move stuff from the Audio Share app in 
>> to drop box and got a transfer error of some kind.  iDrive is not an option 
>> either
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
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>> 
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any good and actually accessible third party transfer tools

[Ray Foret jr]

Okay,

Does anybody out there know of a good and actually accessible third party 
transfer tool with which I can transfer content from my iPhone to my Mac?  And 
please don’t mention iTunes because that will not do what I want to do.  
Everything I have tried has basically just plain sucked because it’s not 
accessible.  Even iMazing is not accessible.  It seems that even  anytrans, 
(which used to be reasonably accessible) has gone down the tubes.  It would 
appear, (so far) as if there is not a single third party transfer app that is 
worth much a damn!!!  Any thoughts?  Oh, and before you say Drop box, that 
won’t do it either.  I tried to move stuff from the Audio Share app in to drop 
box and got a transfer error of some kind.  iDrive is not an option either

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Re: ICloud music library discrepancies

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Yes, in fact, it can be done but you have to specify your music videos in a 
different way than as videos.  I really don’t fool with that stuff very much 
though.  I might add home movies to my iTunes library but in that case, they 
are added as home movies in the movie section.  I think if you want to add 
music videos, you need to specify them as albums or tracks inside an album 
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> On Feb 22, 2017, at 1:02 AM, Brian Hansen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> The extra 22 files on my Mac were music videos.  The numbers now match up 
> across the board.  I take it that one cannot add music videos to their music 
> library?  Thanks again for everything.
> 
> Blessings,
> 
> Brian
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When in iTunes on your Mac, make sure the Music View is by list.  Interact 
>> with the Music table, then VO-right to the column just to the right of the 
>> song title.  It should read something like "Local" or "Download" and/or a 
>> few other choices.  Press VO-shift-back slash to bring VO focus to the 
>> Headers for these columns.  and VO-space on the "iCloud Download" column 
>> heading.  Press VO-shift-back slash again to take VO focus out of the 
>> headers.  Now you should be able to quickly go through the songs navigating 
>> down that specific column.  If it reads "Download" or "Local", then the song 
>> is part of your iCloud Music Library and is either locally stored on your 
>> Mac, or available for download from iCloud.  If it reads "Duplicate", then 
>> you have multiple copies of the same song.  If it reads "Ineligible", then 
>> it is not in a format that is compatible with the iCloud Music Library.  You 
>> should be able to determine the discrepancies from this and go from there.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 00:24, Brian Hansen  wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve got a bit of a mystery on my hands.  iTunes on my Mac says that I have 
>> 3945 songs in my music library.  The “Music Tracker” app on my phone reports 
>> that I have 3923 songs in my iCloud music library.  Is there a way to easily 
>> find out which one is actually correct without having to count by hand, or 
>> even worse, start over and rebuild my library from scratch?  Any and all 
>> help would be greatly appreciated on this one.
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> 
>> Brian
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Re: The best Profissional recording app for Voice over and Narration

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I’d go for Amadeus Pro with RX 2 plug-ins or what ever plug-ins you can find 
that will meet your needs.

Amadeus Pro is en excelent compromise between Audacity, (which I think will not 
give you what you want) and Pro Tools, which may perhaps be overkill for what 
you describe your needs as being.


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> On Feb 18, 2017, at 9:19 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello all:
> 
> I'm using my mac now, and most of my work inside my studio is
> recording for Voice over tallents or Narraters.
> so, what is the best app that can do this? I need an app that I can
> change the effect after recording, also has some good noise gates,
> some helpful materials to make my work more faster.
> what do you all recommend:
> Protools, Amadeus pro, Audacity? or what?
> of cores not sound forge, because it will not allow us to control the
> fx after recording.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> -- 
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issues transfering iTunes Library

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Okay,

Here’s the deal.

I want to completely transfer all of my iTunes library from my Mac hard drive 
to an external 4TB Western Digital Mypassport drive.  I went to the advanced 
tab under iTunes prefs and specified the location to which I wanted the 
transfer to happen.  The path I specified is called Data Disk.  The actual path 
I specified was
Dada Disk/External Audio but that didn’t seem to do the trick.  So, I manually 
made a folder inside the Data Disk/External Audio/Music folder called iTunes.  
Now, I retransfered the path to
Data Disk/External Audio/Music/iTunes and thought that did it.  But, when I 
went to stream content to my third gen Apple TV, all I got was a notice that 
said, “no content found in this library”.  From this, I gather that for some 
reason, my third gen Apple TV was still looking at my Mac instead of the 
external drive.

So, after all that, my questions.

1.  What did I do incorrectly?

2.  IF the way I did it was not correct, (I have to assume I made a mistake 
somewhere.) what should I have done?  

Thanks.


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Re: FineReader OCR Pro vs. OCR Kit

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I have had some success with Abby Fine Reader in this regard.  I’d go ahead and 
get it because many here use it and find it perfectly satisfactory.  As for the 
other, I reckon you should be able to try it and, if it fails to meet your 
needs, you could ask Apple for a refund.  However, before going that rout, I’d 
contact the app developer first and see what they have to say about its 
accessibility.  You can use their answer to decide what you will do.


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> On Feb 13, 2017, at 3:03 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
> 
> I’m looking to install an OCR package on my Mac Mini to facilitate scanning 
> paper documents and photocopy generated PDFs.  In searching in the MacOS 
> store for “FineReader” I got two results.  The first is “FineReader OCR Pro” 
> ($119.95) and “OCR Kit” ($35.95); my question to this list is this; is the 
> first worth almost $85.00 more than the second?
> 
> Have any of you had experience with Finereader OCR Pro or OCR Kit?
> 
> Has anybody had experience with both?
> 
> Or, possibly, there are yet other OCR packages that my search didn’t render; 
> other packages that may very well to be a “better bang for the buck” than 
> either of the two I’ve identified in this e-mail?
> 
> I can afford the $119.95 for the ABBY product, but I don’t really care to pay 
> for functionality that will likely never be used. I’m looking for this for my 
> personal home use so “state of the art” isn’t really essential.  But then, I 
> don’t want to buy the less costly option only to find that it will not offer 
> functions such as letting me open image files online to convert to something 
> a screen reader can recognize.
> 
> I hope I’ve outlined my dilemma here satisfactorily and would appreciate any 
> thoughts, suggestions and related experiences in this matter.
> 
> Sincer thanks (in advance)
> 
> 
> 
> Bill
> - "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most."
> - Originator Unknown -- but I'm sure any one of a number of us could claim it 
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Re: Amadeus Pro: Working with Audio Unit Effects

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You want to open the info window on the app itself using Command+i and choosing 
to run as 32 bit.

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> On Jan 31, 2017, at 10:04 PM, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> hmmm, how do i do that?
> i don't think it will help because it seems like a VO thing.
>> On 1 Feb 2017, at 1:20 pm, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
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>> 
>> Ah, okay.  Have you thought of running Amadeus pro in 32 bit mode?  Maybe 
>> that’s why.
>> 
>> 
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>>> On Jan 31, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:mightymaggie...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey,
>>> i know all of the steps but there is an audio units menu in the effects 
>>> selection and you can't get in there to select your desired effect.
>>>> On 31 Jan 2017, at 11:42 am, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, you can.  IF you take the steps I outlined earlier, then you 
>>>> open a batch processor, you need to select the actions tab.  Now, there 
>>>> will be an empty table just off to the right.  Immediately off to the 
>>>> right of this empty table, you will find an add action button.  Just to 
>>>> the right of this is the edit action button but that’s for later.  Press 
>>>> the add action button.  Now, you will find that the screen will populate 
>>>> with controls which will allow you to drill down in to any effect you want 
>>>> to manipulate for the batch process.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 30, 2017, at 6:10 PM, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:mightymaggie...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> What I have never figured out is how to apply unit effects in batch 
>>>>> conversions?
>>>>> the sub menu is there but you can never get in there.
>>>>>> On 31 Jan 2017, at 6:47 am, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se 
>>>>>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>> I also recommend Jonathan Mosens book Becoming an Amadeus pro Maestro.
>>>>>> Its not that expensiv either.
>>>>>> /A
>>>>>>> 30 jan. 2017 kl. 05:10 skrev Brandon A. Olivares 
>>>>>>> <thepianist2...@gmail.com <mailto:thepianist2...@gmail.com>>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I love Amadeus Pro so far. Just started using it a few weeks ago.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> However, is there a way to accessibly apply audio unit effects? I'm 
>>>>>>> trying to apply a high pass filter, but can't see a way to configure 
>>>>>>> the settings. I just see a dropdown with presets, of which there are 
>>>>>>> none, a button to load presets, a preview button, a bypass checkbox, 
>>>>>>> then cancel and apply. The defaults seem to be way too much because it 
>>>>>>> makes the sound muffled.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Brandon
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Re: Amadeus Pro: Working with Audio Unit Effects

[Ray Foret jr]

Ah, okay.  Have you thought of running Amadeus pro in 32 bit mode?  Maybe 
that’s why.


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> On Jan 31, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> hey,
> i know all of the steps but there is an audio units menu in the effects 
> selection and you can't get in there to select your desired effect.
>> On 31 Jan 2017, at 11:42 am, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, you can.  IF you take the steps I outlined earlier, then you open 
>> a batch processor, you need to select the actions tab.  Now, there will be 
>> an empty table just off to the right.  Immediately off to the right of this 
>> empty table, you will find an add action button.  Just to the right of this 
>> is the edit action button but that’s for later.  Press the add action 
>> button.  Now, you will find that the screen will populate with controls 
>> which will allow you to drill down in to any effect you want to manipulate 
>> for the batch process.
>> 
>> 
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>>> On Jan 30, 2017, at 6:10 PM, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:mightymaggie...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What I have never figured out is how to apply unit effects in batch 
>>> conversions?
>>> the sub menu is there but you can never get in there.
>>>> On 31 Jan 2017, at 6:47 am, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se 
>>>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> I also recommend Jonathan Mosens book Becoming an Amadeus pro Maestro.
>>>> Its not that expensiv either.
>>>> /A
>>>>> 30 jan. 2017 kl. 05:10 skrev Brandon A. Olivares 
>>>>> <thepianist2...@gmail.com <mailto:thepianist2...@gmail.com>>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I love Amadeus Pro so far. Just started using it a few weeks ago.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, is there a way to accessibly apply audio unit effects? I'm 
>>>>> trying to apply a high pass filter, but can't see a way to configure the 
>>>>> settings. I just see a dropdown with presets, of which there are none, a 
>>>>> button to load presets, a preview button, a bypass checkbox, then cancel 
>>>>> and apply. The defaults seem to be way too much because it makes the 
>>>>> sound muffled.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Brandon
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Re: Amadeus Pro: Working with Audio Unit Effects

[Ray Foret jr]

Actually, you can.  IF you take the steps I outlined earlier, then you open a 
batch processor, you need to select the actions tab.  Now, there will be an 
empty table just off to the right.  Immediately off to the right of this empty 
table, you will find an add action button.  Just to the right of this is the 
edit action button but that’s for later.  Press the add action button.  Now, 
you will find that the screen will populate with controls which will allow you 
to drill down in to any effect you want to manipulate for the batch process.


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> On Jan 30, 2017, at 6:10 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> What I have never figured out is how to apply unit effects in batch 
> conversions?
> the sub menu is there but you can never get in there.
>> On 31 Jan 2017, at 6:47 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I also recommend Jonathan Mosens book Becoming an Amadeus pro Maestro.
>> Its not that expensiv either.
>> /A
>>> 30 jan. 2017 kl. 05:10 skrev Brandon A. Olivares :
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> I love Amadeus Pro so far. Just started using it a few weeks ago.
>>> 
>>> However, is there a way to accessibly apply audio unit effects? I'm trying 
>>> to apply a high pass filter, but can't see a way to configure the settings. 
>>> I just see a dropdown with presets, of which there are none, a button to 
>>> load presets, a preview button, a bypass checkbox, then cancel and apply. 
>>> The defaults seem to be way too much because it makes the sound muffled.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brandon
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Re: Amadeus Pro: Working with Audio Unit Effects

[Ray Foret jr]

Okay.  There’s an easy fix for this.  I assume from your message you’re using 
Voice Over?

You need to do the following.

1.  Go in to the preferences window using Command+Comma.

2.  From there, you need to choose the advanced tab and press VO+space on it.  

3.  Now, You wil notice a table of options.  The option you want is the eighth 
one down which says “use generic controls”.  by default, this will not be 
checked.
4.  Check this box.

Having done that, you can now access all the controles for the filter 
you wish to use.



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> On Jan 29, 2017, at 10:10 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I love Amadeus Pro so far. Just started using it a few weeks ago.
> 
> However, is there a way to accessibly apply audio unit effects? I'm trying to 
> apply a high pass filter, but can't see a way to configure the settings. I 
> just see a dropdown with presets, of which there are none, a button to load 
> presets, a preview button, a bypass checkbox, then cancel and apply. The 
> defaults seem to be way too much because it makes the sound muffled.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brandon
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Re: Paypal buttons not working in Safari.

[Ray Foret jr]

Question.  Did you try tabbing to the button and just pressing the space bar on 
it?  Sometimes, I get wierd behavior like that where the return key will 
sometimes work where other methods of pressing won’t.


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> On Jan 27, 2017, at 5:15 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I have got a big problem.
> I am trying to update an expired card on paypal with no luck.
> I can click the eddit button but when it comes to the save button i am not 
> sure of if it takes any effect as it doesn’t say anything.
> But it seems as i click the save button on paypal but when i check the card 
> still is expired and not updated.
> Very frustrating.
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Re: amadeus pro and recording.

[Ray Foret jr]

Okay.  Once you press Command+r and assuming you set amadeus Pro up so that it 
goes in to record/pause mode instead of recording right away, if you look 
towards the right end of the screen, you will notice a “play through” button.  
IF you press this button, you can activaly monitor exactly what it is you are 
recording.  You might want to put on headphones before doing this to ensure you 
don’t get feedback.

HTh.


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> 
> Hi!
> I want to test the sound before i record.
> But i think you resolved my issue anyway.
> /A
>> On 23 Jan 2017, at 16:11, Nektarios Mallas > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there.
>> I am not sure I understand your question. 
>> When you press command + r you start the recording. 
>> So you don’ t want tha to happen? If you need to be on stand by mode to get 
>> ready and test before recording, you need to go to preferences general and 
>> uncheck start recording immediately. 
>> 
>> Regards. 
>> Nektarios. 
>> 
>>> On 23 Jan 2017, at 15:59, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> A small question for ya amadeus pro users.
>>> I’ve just got the program installed and am playing with it because i need 
>>> to use it this week.
>>> However i would like to know if the dialog that comes up when pressing 
>>> command r should be there?
>>> What i want to do is to test the audio first before starting the recording.
>>> I am going to do some intros and outtro’s for a radio program.
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> /A
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Re: amadeus pro and recording.

[Ray Foret jr]

Okay.  Once you press Command+r and assuming you set amadeus Pro up so that it 
goes in to record/pause mode instead of recording right away, if you look 
towards the right end of the screen, you will notice a “play through” button.  
IF you press this button, you can activaly monitor exactly what it is you are 
recording.  You might want to put on headphones before doing this to ensure you 
don’t get feedback.

HTh.


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> On Jan 23, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I want to test the sound before i record.
> But i think you resolved my issue anyway.
> /A
>> On 23 Jan 2017, at 16:11, Nektarios Mallas  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there.
>> I am not sure I understand your question. 
>> When you press command + r you start the recording. 
>> So you don’ t want tha to happen? If you need to be on stand by mode to get 
>> ready and test before recording, you need to go to preferences general and 
>> uncheck start recording immediately. 
>> 
>> Regards. 
>> Nektarios. 
>> 
>>> On 23 Jan 2017, at 15:59, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> A small question for ya amadeus pro users.
>>> I’ve just got the program installed and am playing with it because i need 
>>> to use it this week.
>>> However i would like to know if the dialog that comes up when pressing 
>>> command r should be there?
>>> What i want to do is to test the audio first before starting the recording.
>>> I am going to do some intros and outtro’s for a radio program.
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> /A
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Re: Audible and the NLS player

[Ray Foret jr]

True, you can download the Audible app from the app store and listen to 
Audible.com books using it.  I use it all the time:  and in fact, it’s the main 
reason I chose to go with an iPhone 5 instead of a second gen Stream.  Going 
with a second gen stream would have meant authorizing the Stream to play 
audible content:  which is totally impossible using a Mac (unless you install 
windows on it which I will never do).  Seemed to me that since the BARD mobile 
app was about to come out, better to get the iPhone 5 and go that direction.  
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> 
> 
> On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 2:53:56 PM UTC-5, N2KPV wrote:
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Re: Audible and the NLS player

[Ray Foret jr]

Forget it.  Audible books are in a specially packed mp3 format and you cannot 
play them on any device not specifically authorized by Audible:  not if you 
want to be legal about it which I think one should.

As for whether or not I’m satisfied with Audible, I really am and think it’s 
very well worth the membership fee.


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> On Jan 16, 2017, at 1:53 PM, N2KPV  wrote:
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> Hi Everyone , I was thinking of signing up with audible .com and was 
> wondering if the books can be downloaded to a thumb drive and played on the 
> NLS player . Does anyone use audible and are you satisfied with it? I am 
> aware that you can listen to the books on your iDevices .
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Re: Od apple music Issue.

[Ray Foret jr]

Happened to me too.  The issue seems to be that some material will not play on 
Apple Music due to the fact that the owner of the material in question has not 
authorized their material to stream on Apple Music.  That’s my guess based both 
on what happened to me and your description.


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> On Jan 8, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> This isn’t VoiceOver specific but i hope some one can clarify things for me a 
> bit.
> I searched for one of my favorites on friday which actually are the Blues 
> Brothers.
> It came up with all results i wanted including the soundtrack for the movie.
> However to my surprise some songs didn’t play which made me first think that 
> there was a problem with The apple music service.
> But it wasn’t when i tried the same soundtrack album yesterday.
> That made me check the Itunes Store to see if they had the album there.
> And yes they did.
> And you know that you can listen to small amounts of the songs from the album 
> when you view the songs list?
> Now here on this album the songs that didn’t play on apple music wasn’t able 
> to priview in Itunes Store either.
> There was only a button named album only and when pressing that button 
> nothing happens.
> So i am wondering whats going on here?
> Why are some songs able to play and others can’t be found or are unplayable 
> in just one album?
> Any thoughts on this?
> Thanks in advance.
> /A
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Re: dropbox

[Ray Foret jr]

Partially correct.  Same thing happened to me way back in my first Mac days.  I 
did not need to uninstlal Drop box because I never even had it in the first 
place.  Yes, there was the folder but like you say, nothing happened.  Solution 
was to create a brand new Drop box account.  Now, I should point out that the 
Drop box folder which Drop Box itself will create is NOT the same one already 
found on your friend’s Mac.

It will be a different folder but will be directly off the home folder:  that 
is, unless you have your friend create a seperate partition on an external 
drive the way I did and dedicate that partition to Drop Box.


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> On Jan 3, 2017, at 3:45 AM, Helga Schreiber  
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> 
> Hi, How are you? I just wanted to tel you that I think you should help yur 
> friend to uninstall dropbox,adn then go to dropbox.com  
> to download the Mac version, and create a new account from there. Hopethis 
> helps! I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless!
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> On Jan 3, 2017, at 2:11 AM, Gabe Griffith  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I was trying to help a friend this afternoon with uploading something to her 
>> dropbox. She doesn't remember having ever set up a dropbox account and 
>> password but there is a dropbox folder on her computer but dropbox doesn't 
>> show up in her menu extras where mine shows the status of uploads. It lets 
>> her copy and paste a file to the dropbox folder but when we did a VO shift m 
>> there is no option to copy a dropbox link like mine has, we even tried 
>> pasting in to the public folder because it also looks like she has a version 
>> from September 2016 and my version shows as being from December 2016. 
>> 
>> So I finally get to my question. Does anyone know the best way of going 
>> about having her download and install the latest version of DB? 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Gabe
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Re: bluetooth headphone strangeness

[Ray Foret jr]

As for me, I found out that my Philips SHB-5500 does not come with drivers of 
any kind.  I also found out that apparently, windows users seem to be having 
trouble pairing these headphones to windows machines:  so, as a result, Philips 
has issued knew bluetooth drivers which windows users have to instal.  It would 
seem that these are not direct drivers for the headphones though but rather, 
drivers for the bluetooth side of windows.  Mac users it seems have no such 
issues and nor do IOS users.


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> On Dec 28, 2016, at 11:50 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> And on this,
>  
> I got myself the Plantronics voyager 5200 today, that’s the 5220  but without 
> the car charger, as soon as I paired it with my iPhone 7+ the Plantronics hub 
> popped up and let me know there was a firmware update,
>  
> It also let me install it with the headset running and connected to the phone,
>  
> My edge doesn’t let me do this or at least hasn’t given that option.
>  
> The Jawbone Plantronics and blue ant devices also have a software package  
> for each that allow you to update firmware from your computer.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: bluetooth headphone strangeness
>  
> Hi Scott,
>  
> Do you know how I can update firmware on LG HBS-1100? 
>  
> I tried Googling, but cannot find a utility, release notes, or if this is 
> even possible.
>  
> Hoping you're able to help :)
>  
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 4:12 PM Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> HI Ray, so most modern headsets have a firmware component and a settings 
> component.  You install one form of updater or another, plantronics uses the 
> headset updater, the jawbone uses the jawbone update tool and so forth.  It’s 
> very likely your manufacturer has a set of tools or both updating your 
> headset and configuring it.  Firmware updates are important, just like 
> operating system updates you get bug fixes and added features.  You will want 
> to google your headset name and model and something like firmware or 
> settings.  That should help you activate and disable the features you want. 
> Let me know if you have any further questions.
>  
> Thanks
>  
> On Dec 26, 2016, at 5:11 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>  
> Configuration for headset?  Where would I find that?  I assume that to get to 
> it, I’d have to have it connected?  
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> On Dec 26, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hey Ray, about the call quality issue, I have some ideas that may help you.
>  
> I’m not sure the carrier you use, if you use T-Mobile you’re set for this out 
> of the box, if you use Verizon you need to activate advanced calling features 
> on your phone, you can do that through the web portal or by calling customer 
> service.  It’s a free feature.  If you use AT same deal, Sprint is hit or 
> miss.
> On your iPhone select settings, cellular, insure cellular data is enabled and 
> under the cellular options make sure that both voice and data are enabled for 
> LTE.  If all these things are set you should get a call that sounds much more 
> like FaceTime or Skype if you call someone who supports the high bandwidth 
> calling.  Also, if you have a configuration too for your new headset insure 
> that wide band calling is enabled.  Even with out wide band calling enabling 
> this tends to make the audio a little less crunchy.
>  
> Good luck
> Scott
>  
> On Dec 26, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>  
> Yo Dave, thanks but I already knew that.  I think perhaps you missunderstood 
> me due to the fact that I failed to mention that I did in fact bring up the 
> mini player window.  Inside the mini player windo

Re: bluetooth headphone strangeness

[Ray Foret jr]

Configuration for headset?  Where would I find that?  I assume that to get to 
it, I’d have to have it connected?  
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> On Dec 26, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Ray, about the call quality issue, I have some ideas that may help you.
> 
> I’m not sure the carrier you use, if you use T-Mobile you’re set for this out 
> of the box, if you use Verizon you need to activate advanced calling features 
> on your phone, you can do that through the web portal or by calling customer 
> service.  It’s a free feature.  If you use AT same deal, Sprint is hit or 
> miss.
>   On your iPhone select settings, cellular, insure cellular data is 
> enabled and under the cellular options make sure that both voice and data are 
> enabled for LTE.  If all these things are set you should get a call that 
> sounds much more like FaceTime or Skype if you call someone who supports the 
> high bandwidth calling.  Also, if you have a configuration too for your new 
> headset insure that wide band calling is enabled.  Even with out wide band 
> calling enabling this tends to make the audio a little less crunchy.
> 
> Good luck
> Scott
> 
>> On Dec 26, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yo Dave, thanks but I already knew that.  I think perhaps you missunderstood 
>> me due to the fact that I failed to mention that I did in fact bring up the 
>> mini player window.  Inside the mini player window, I double tapped and held 
>> down the next track button.  Under ordinary circumstances, as you properly 
>> indicated, skimming forward and backwards through a track does in fact work: 
>>  however, with the bluetooth headphones I have connected, this does not work.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Dec 26, 2016, at 2:04 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> When in iOS, Apple Music now brings up the mini player. Double-tap on the 
>>> expand mini player button. When in the full player screen, previous and 
>>> skip will scan forward and back through the track with double-tap and hold. 
>>> When the button is then released, the scan stops. Note: the scan starts 
>>> after the hold has lasted for about a second.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 26/12/2016, at 12:37, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Okay,
>>>> 
>>>> Yesterday, I was gifted a pair of bluetooth headphones, (Philips SHB5500). 
>>>>  Very nice sound except when on the phone, the sound tends to suffer quite 
>>>> a bit.  I guess Philips did that on purpose to help spare the battery.  
>>>> Anyhow, that’s not my question.  My questions are these.
>>>> 
>>>> 1.  When listening to a track on the Apple Music app, I noticed that it is 
>>>> not possible to skimm through a track like you do on CD player.  Double 
>>>> tapping and holding the next button does not perform its usual function.  
>>>> Any way around this?
>>>> 
>>>> 2.  Also, while there is no audio skipping on those headphones when 
>>>> connected to my iPhone7+, there is audio skipping when connected to my 
>>>> Mac.  Any reason for this and anything I can do about it?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>>> built-in
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>> 
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>>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
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Re: bluetooth headphone strangeness

[Ray Foret jr]

Yo Dave, thanks but I already knew that.  I think perhaps you missunderstood me 
due to the fact that I failed to mention that I did in fact bring up the mini 
player window.  Inside the mini player window, I double tapped and held down 
the next track button.  Under ordinary circumstances, as you properly 
indicated, skimming forward and backwards through a track does in fact work:  
however, with the bluetooth headphones I have connected, this does not work.


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> On Dec 26, 2016, at 2:04 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> When in iOS, Apple Music now brings up the mini player. Double-tap on the 
> expand mini player button. When in the full player screen, previous and skip 
> will scan forward and back through the track with double-tap and hold. When 
> the button is then released, the scan stops. Note: the scan starts after the 
> hold has lasted for about a second.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 26/12/2016, at 12:37, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
> 
>> Okay,
>> 
>> Yesterday, I was gifted a pair of bluetooth headphones, (Philips SHB5500).  
>> Very nice sound except when on the phone, the sound tends to suffer quite a 
>> bit.  I guess Philips did that on purpose to help spare the battery.  
>> Anyhow, that’s not my question.  My questions are these.
>> 
>> 1.  When listening to a track on the Apple Music app, I noticed that it is 
>> not possible to skimm through a track like you do on CD player.  Double 
>> tapping and holding the next button does not perform its usual function.  
>> Any way around this?
>> 
>> 2.  Also, while there is no audio skipping on those headphones when 
>> connected to my iPhone7+, there is audio skipping when connected to my Mac.  
>> Any reason for this and anything I can do about it?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
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>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
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bluetooth headphone strangeness

[Ray Foret jr]

Okay,

Yesterday, I was gifted a pair of bluetooth headphones, (Philips SHB5500).  
Very nice sound except when on the phone, the sound tends to suffer quite a 
bit.  I guess Philips did that on purpose to help spare the battery.  Anyhow, 
that’s not my question.  My questions are these.

1.  When listening to a track on the Apple Music app, I noticed that it is not 
possible to skimm through a track like you do on CD player.  Double tapping and 
holding the next button does not perform its usual function.  Any way around 
this?

2.  Also, while there is no audio skipping on those headphones when connected 
to my iPhone7+, there is audio skipping when connected to my Mac.  Any reason 
for this and anything I can do about it?

Thanks.

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Re: contacts problem

[Ray Foret jr]

Try a simpler solution first.

1.  Sign out of iCloud on your phone.

2.  turn off your phone for at least one minute.

3.  Now, turn your phone back on.

4.  Now, sign in to iCloud.  Connect and lock.

HTH.


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> On Dec 16, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> First, check on the web or another Apple device to make sure your contacts 
> are still in the Cloud. 
> 
> If they are then do a backup of the contacts, Macintosh's have a save 
> function and possibly a export function. You would need to select all 
> contacts and then use either the export or save as functions. 
> 
> 
> If you want, you could even open the export file with textedit to verify 
> content is there. 
> 
> Next you should look at your iCloud settings on the phone. Disconnect 
> contacts if it is selected and then wait a little and restart phone. Now 
> re-enable iCloud contacts, they should only take a few seconds to synchronize 
> on anything faster than 56kbs. 
> 
> If this doesn't work then hopefully you have at least received an error 
> message somewhere along in the process.
> 
>  Best Wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> On 16 December 2016 at 10:35, E.T.  > wrote:
>Reboot the phone?
> 
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> 
> On 12/16/2016 7:33 AM, jeff `greene wrote:
> Hi, Well, I updated my iPhone 7 to 10.2 and all my contacts are gone.
> Since the update I've put the phone on the charger overnight hoping
> icloud would download my contacts, but no luck. Any suggestions?
> Thanks Jeff
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Re: icloud want let me sign in

[Ray Foret jr]

Sounds like what has happened to you is that you have two factor authentication 
turned on.  IF the special code shows up on your iPHone, you need to make sure 
your curser is focused on the six boxes for that code.  as you enter each 
digit, you are moved along to the next box.  Now, here’s another posibility.  
Maybe the code you need is showing up in a seperate window on your desk top 
machine.  In any case, you can just enter that code in to the six boxes and you 
should be fine.  ON my Mac, one is moved from one box to the next automatically 
  IF you are using a windows desk top, I cannot say for sure that this happens: 
 but, based on your description, I’d guess it ain’t happening for you that way.


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> On Dec 15, 2016, at 10:05 PM, Robert Cole  wrote:
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> Hi,
> After not using my MacBook and iPod for a while, iCloud asked me to enter my 
> password.
> after doing so, i received a code on my iPhone saying to enter my password 
> followed by this code in the password field.
> Here is where I need help.
> I entered my password and the code with no space,
> I even tried entering the password then a space and then the code.
> last, I just entered the code , but it says invalid password and gives me the 
> option to reset my password and I don’t want to do that.
> This happened on my MacBook and my iPod.
> Please help.
> thanks,
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Re: New ios 10.2 is out.

[Ray Foret jr]

No.  I’m not running beta and I got 10.2.


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> On Dec 13, 2016, at 6:20 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> I can’t seem to download it to my phone either so it must be because we run 
> the beta we’re already current.  Sometimes the gold master installs, some 
> times it doesn’t.  The watch updated just fine as did the Apple TV.
> 
> Also, in the US, T-Mobile released a carrier update of 27.1 so be sure that 
> is updated as well.
> 
>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>>  Hi!
>> From what i can see the Ios 10.2 is out.
>> I can download it to my ipad mini 4 but not my Iphone as its on beta so i 
>> guess its likely that this is on beta.
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Re: iCloud Accounts

[Ray Foret jr]

System prefs/Internet accounts.  Check there.  Should find everything you need. 
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>   In reviewing my mail accounts on the Mac, I find my main iCloud mail 
> account has the wrong email address attached to it. I cannot find where to 
> change this. The main account is my Apple ID with a Charter email address but 
> for mail, am using an iCloud address. Sure could use some guidance here. 
> Thanks.
> 
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a public note to Jonathan: was;: Re: A Possible DAISY Player for Mac

[Ray Foret jr]

Well John, I read your post.  What I am going to say may seem somewhat 
contravercial, but, here goes.  While I personally disagree with Jonathan’s 
decition to leave the Mac world, I do appreaciate that it’s his right and 
indeed moral obligation to do so.  Why?  Simple.  We all love our Macs here:  
and, I’m sure we are all sorry to see you, Jonathan, leave the Mac world:  
however, the bottom line is the bottom line.  It’s your choice.  Altimately, 
you’ve got to make the decition that suits your circumstances most effectively. 
 IF the Mac is not part of your solution, well, it just isn’t and that’s all 
there is to it.  Some might, perhaps, think you a trator for leaving us:  I, 
however, say otherwise.  Indeed, you would be a trator if you did not do for 
your own use situation the thing or things you found best to both do and use.  
There are some here who use windows on their Macs;  but as for me, I shan’t 
ever do so.  I’ve left windows behind for good as I felt the Mac would better 
meet my current needs.  Looks to me like I was right.  Apple INc is not a 
religion.  It’s a computer company.  One thing I must  say in closing is this.  
I hope and trust that most of the members on this list will side with me and 
appreciate that in order to do what you do to the greatest degree of 
effectivness, you feel that the Mac is not for you.  I am personaly sorry this 
is so, but, you’ve got the right and indeed moral obligation to take the road 
you feel will get you along to where you need to go.


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> On Nov 24, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
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> Hi everyone, in a recent blog post, I lamented the lack of a DAISY player for 
> Mac.
> This has resulted in me being contacted by someone fluent in both English and 
> German who tells me that there is in fact a DAISY player available. The free 
> version allows for playback, and a paid version also provides for DAISY 
> production. The default language for the product is German, and from what I 
> can gather, the entire website is German as well.
> When you install the player, the local system language isn't detected, but 
> I'm told that if you can find it in Preferences, English is available. So 
> maybe there's further potential here for making this all much easier than it 
> currently is. I don't know if the developer is fluent in English, but 
> presumably they have someone who is since localisation has been done.
> The app is available for multiple platforms at:
> http://www.legantoo.de/index.php?menuid=33 
> 
> and although I'm not a German speaker, I was able to work out  which link is 
> for the Mac version. Something for the ambitious among you to play with.
> Also since I will soon no longer be using a Mac and will be unsubscribing, 
> this is probably my last post here. So I'd like to extend a sincere thanks to 
> those who have offered great tips and tricks over the last four years or so 
> that I've been subscribed. I appreciate it very much and of course will 
> continue to watch developments with Mac via all the tech feeds I subscribe to.
> Cheers.
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Re: editing a video

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You editing videos using iMovie ten on your Mac?  Tel me, does one move the 
insertion point using the j k and l keys?  What about utting text in to a 
particular area or making a video clip fade in at the beginning and out at the 
end ECT?  Thanks.


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> 
> This was helpful, thanks. Are used to use iMovie version nine which was very 
> accessible, or at least I understood it. But then iMovie 10 really screwed me 
> up. This video makes it understandable again and I've just downloaded and 
> installed iMovie 10 again. I had been using QuickTime to do videos and that's 
> fairly straightforward but also quite basic.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
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> 
> On Nov 22, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Michael Babcock <mich...@yourownpay.com 
> <mailto:mich...@yourownpay.com>> wrote:
> 
>> hears a video that has helped me:
>> OS X: Basic Editing with iMovie for VoiceOver Users
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gInthWUriLM 
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gInthWUriLM>
>> hope it helps you and the blinkychicks would love your comments.
>> 
>>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, I use Screenflow to do that now.  Cost me $99.99 though and I 
>>> assume you don’t feel like paying that much.  For my part, I’d like the 
>>> answer to this question myself as I think it would be good to know how to 
>>> do this with the latest version of iMovie just in case.
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 1:43 PM, jean parker <radiofore...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:radiofore...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello All:
>>>> 
>>>> I have two mp4 videos that I want to edit. I want to extract a clip from 
>>>> the videos and save them as  separate files. I opened imovie 9 but it is 
>>>> unclear to me as to how to proceed. Could someone walk me through the 
>>>> process, off-list is also fine so as not to clutter the list.
>>>> 
>>>> As always, many thanks in advance,
>>>> 
>>>> Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
>>>> Senior Research Fellow
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Re: editing a video

[Ray Foret jr]

Actually, I use Screenflow to do that now.  Cost me $99.99 though and I assume 
you don’t feel like paying that much.  For my part, I’d like the answer to this 
question myself as I think it would be good to know how to do this with the 
latest version of iMovie just in case.


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> On Nov 21, 2016, at 1:43 PM, jean parker  wrote:
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> Hello All:
> 
> I have two mp4 videos that I want to edit. I want to extract a clip from the 
> videos and save them as  separate files. I opened imovie 9 but it is unclear 
> to me as to how to proceed. Could someone walk me through the process, 
> off-list is also fine so as not to clutter the list.
> 
> As always, many thanks in advance,
> 
> Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
> Senior Research Fellow
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Re: Uploading music to iTunes without uploading to apple music library?

[Ray Foret jr]

Just go in to prefs window in to general and make sure that music in the cloud 
is turned off.  By default, this is how it will be.  Bear in mind that any 
music you load gets added to your iTunes library.  Were I you, I’d let the 
files themselves get added because that seems to work best.


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> HI there folks,
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> I have a rather large music collection I wish to upload to iTunes, but not 
> the cloud for I have a capped data connection. How do I make sure iTunes 
> behaves the way I want it to?
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Re: Amadeus Pro Question

[Ray Foret jr]

First, let’s deal with the run time.  You can find it in the tool bar over on 
the very right hand side.  Now, let’s discuss quickly moving through a file.  
Sounds like you need to know how to zoom in and out.  So, here goes.  To zoom 
out as much as possible, press the dash key, (just to the right of the zero key 
on the number row)  This will give you the greatest degree of playback curser 
movement possible.  To zoom in, which will do the opposite, use the plus simble.

Now, have you figured out markers yet?  Believe me, using markers really speeds 
things up quite nicely.  I suspect this is a good time to talk about curser 
routing.  Actually, you have to cursers to deal with.  You can think of one of 
them as a kind of playback head.  It moves when you use the right and left 
arrow keys.  But, bear this in mind, you are still not moving the actual 
insertion point;  just the playback head curser.  So, let’s say you get to a 
spot where you want to drop a marker.  You’d press space to stop, and then, 
press Command+y.  This will instantly rout the actual insertion point to the 
spot your play head is on.  IF you press the p key, you set a marker.  There’s 
another way to set a marker which will open a nameing dialog but we will not 
deal with that here.  IF you find yourself in a situation where you want or 
need to rout the playback head curser to the insertion point, just use 
shift+command+y.  That should be enough to at least get you started.

Oh, when you select a piece of audio, the usual rules apply.  Copy to clip 
board is command+c.  Paste is Command+v and so on.

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> On Nov 9, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
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> Hey guys,
> 
> Thanks will try escape next time as I to quit the app and started over. Any 
> idea what the key commands are to quickly jump through a large audio file and 
> where you can find the running time of a piece as I cannot seem to figure 
> this out for the life of me. Thanks again.
>> On Nov 9, 2016, at 5:27 PM, Robert Cole  wrote:
>> 
>> When it happened to me, I had to close the app and reopen it.
>> 
>>> On Nov 9, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just got Amadeus Pro and am learning how to use it. I was using space bar 
>>> to play and the arrows to rewind and fast forward but now all of the sudden 
>>> the space will activate whatever VO is focused on not play and pause and 
>>> the arrows instead of rewind and fast forward instead move me through the 
>>> application. How do I get back to the arrows and space bar controlling 
>>> playback. Also how do you quickly jump through time without suing the arrow 
>>> keys and how can you see the time you are at for a recording? Thanks,
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Re: Amadeus Pro Question

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Okay.  I think I know what happened to you.  Same thing happens to me from time 
to time.  You got in to the scroling area.  Press escape to get out again and 
you’re good to go.  Don’t know why that happens but I hope that fixes it for ya.


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> On Nov 9, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Just got Amadeus Pro and am learning how to use it. I was using space bar to 
> play and the arrows to rewind and fast forward but now all of the sudden the 
> space will activate whatever VO is focused on not play and pause and the 
> arrows instead of rewind and fast forward instead move me through the 
> application. How do I get back to the arrows and space bar controlling 
> playback. Also how do you quickly jump through time without suing the arrow 
> keys and how can you see the time you are at for a recording? Thanks,
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solution for Antonio's voice over problem

[Ray Foret jr]

Hey Antonio,

Still having a problem with Voice Over not coming over your speakers?  
You say that the sounds play but no Voice Over right?  I think I know what’s 
going on.  Rather than bother you with a detailed description, I’ll just list 
the steps I think will work for you.

1.  ON your Mac, press VO+F8 to enter Voice Over utilities.

2.  Now, if you press down arrow five times, you will hit the “sounds” row.

3.  Now, press VO+right five times and you should hit the output devices 
columb.  Make sure Voice Over is set to default.  A confirmatory dialog will 
appear.  Say yes and that should solve it.

HTH.


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Re: Easy iPhone wireless charging hack

[Ray Foret jr]

That may be, but, I’d like to point out that your name does not appear in the 
from field.


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> On Nov 7, 2016, at 6:50 AM, -  wrote:
> 
> 
> It was from me.  You did not read the link, a well known computer info web 
> source.
> 
> Dan D.
> 
> On Sun, 6 Nov 2016, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
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>> I'd be careful with this. We really don't know who the source of this msg
>> was from. All it says is, Easy iPhone, so yeah.
>> 
>> I'd be very very careful.
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>> To: ; ;
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>> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 6:30 PM
>> Subject: Easy iPhone wireless charging hack
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.zdnet.com/article/easy-iphone-wireless-charging-hack/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
>>> 
>>> XB
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Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Ray Foret jr]

I think her Galaxy is set to LTE but truth to tell, I rather doubt she’s even 
gone to that part of her settings.  Now, my brother-in-law, (who has an 
iPHone6S+ has the same thing happen.  He has AT and I don’t know without 
asking him what his settings are.  I suspect that I’m just about the only one 
in my family who goes deep in to the settings like what we do.  Odd don’t yuh 
think:  I mean about the issue I seem to be having.


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> On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Wow, that’s a weird one Ray.
> 
> Now let me ask you’re definitely attached to LTE for your calling right or 
> are you using WiFi calling?  Shouldn’t matter but it might.
> 
> If your sister calls you the call sets up correctly and you get HD audio, do 
> you happen to know what her LTE settings are and are we talking iPhones or is 
> her’s a different brand?
> 
> Nothing’s jumping out at me, it should work but I’m glad you’ve checked the 
> obvious stuff.  A little more information about her phone may help.
> 
> Thanks
> 
>  
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Here’s the weird thing about that.  ON my iPHone7+, both Voice and Data LTE 
>> are turned on.  Verizon tells me that HD voice is in fact turned on on my 
>> account.  Now, when my sister calls, her voice comes over as HD audio but 
>> when I call her, it does not.  Any ideas?
>> 
>> 
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>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You need to make sure that voice over LTE is enabled on your phone so that 
>>> when you place a call the high bandwidth channel is active.  This should be 
>>> under the cellular data section there is a separate indicator for LTE voice 
>>> and LTE data, for best results enable both.  Also, make sure that you have 
>>> the advanced calling feature enabled on your account.  Call customer 
>>> service to insure this is enabled, it’s a free option.  Once enabled you 
>>> should be able to both place and receive HD calls.
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ah, perhaps that explains why when my sister calls me, (she is with AT) 
>>>> I hear her voice as an HD call:  but, when I call her, (I’m with Verizon 
>>>> Wireless.) her voice does not come over as HD voice.  Could that maybe be 
>>>> solved via the method you described?
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Joseph, you’re the closest so far but not quite right.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, WiFi assist should be turned off to avoid data usage because you’re 
>>>>> absolutely right it will use the radio to offset poor performance in the 
>>>>> WiFi network.
>>>>> However, on Verizon, turning off data will not stop traditional text 
>>>>> messages, same with Sprint.  In these networks, assuming you’ve disabled 
>>>>> LTE as part of disabling cellular data you will still use the 1X channel 
>>>>> for sending traditional carrier based text messages.  Things like 
>>>>> iMessage will still be disabled because that uses the high speed channel 
>>>>> with the following exceptions.  If you’re not on a voice call and the 
>>>>> carrier is configured to you may have low speed data s

Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Ray Foret jr]

Here’s the weird thing about that.  ON my iPHone7+, both Voice and Data LTE are 
turned on.  Verizon tells me that HD voice is in fact turned on on my account.  
Now, when my sister calls, her voice comes over as HD audio but when I call 
her, it does not.  Any ideas?


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> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You need to make sure that voice over LTE is enabled on your phone so that 
> when you place a call the high bandwidth channel is active.  This should be 
> under the cellular data section there is a separate indicator for LTE voice 
> and LTE data, for best results enable both.  Also, make sure that you have 
> the advanced calling feature enabled on your account.  Call customer service 
> to insure this is enabled, it’s a free option.  Once enabled you should be 
> able to both place and receive HD calls.
> 
> Hope that helps
> 
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, perhaps that explains why when my sister calls me, (she is with AT) I 
>> hear her voice as an HD call:  but, when I call her, (I’m with Verizon 
>> Wireless.) her voice does not come over as HD voice.  Could that maybe be 
>> solved via the method you described?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
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>> 
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>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Joseph, you’re the closest so far but not quite right.
>>> 
>>> Yes, WiFi assist should be turned off to avoid data usage because you’re 
>>> absolutely right it will use the radio to offset poor performance in the 
>>> WiFi network.
>>> However, on Verizon, turning off data will not stop traditional text 
>>> messages, same with Sprint.  In these networks, assuming you’ve disabled 
>>> LTE as part of disabling cellular data you will still use the 1X channel 
>>> for sending traditional carrier based text messages.  Things like iMessage 
>>> will still be disabled because that uses the high speed channel with the 
>>> following exceptions.  If you’re not on a voice call and the carrier is 
>>> configured to you may have low speed data still available even with the 
>>> data option set.  This should prevent you from using a lot of data though 
>>> because it’s only a 100 kilobit channel so only designed to send things 
>>> like a voice call or regular text messages.  This is the reason for example 
>>> when using the 1X channel traditionally you could use only 2 lines at a 
>>> time or for example 3 way calling and on AT you could have more calls in 
>>> parallel.
>>> Now on AT what’s your saying is closer to the truth.  There was no 
>>> separate voice channel.  Voice was encoded right in the HSPA stream with 
>>> everything else.  This is why AT and T-Mobile for years offered browsing 
>>> and talking at the same time and Sprint and Verizon could not.  Here you’ll 
>>> use the same data channel for messages of all flavors as well so if you 
>>> disable cell data you disable all messaging including carrier based text 
>>> messages.
>>> There are a few ways to configure voice though to allow for calling 
>>> with out enabling data.  You can go in to the settings and enable LTE 
>>> voice, disable LTE data and this will allow for the use of the higher 
>>> bandwidth calling on all networks, turning off the global value for cell 
>>> data will disable all data services with the exception of plain texts on 
>>> the two CDMA based carriers.  You need to be mindful though of how the 
>>> networks are configured because quite soon CDMA is going away entirely on 
>>> Verizon and Sprint who knows.  At that point you’ll want to insure that 
>>> your data on LTE is disabled but voice is left enabled so that calls will 
>>> complete.  
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps
>>> 
>>>  
>>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:jhud7...@gmail.com&g

Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Ray Foret jr]

Ah, perhaps that explains why when my sister calls me, (she is with AT) I 
hear her voice as an HD call:  but, when I call her, (I’m with Verizon 
Wireless.) her voice does not come over as HD voice.  Could that maybe be 
solved via the method you described?


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> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Joseph, you’re the closest so far but not quite right.
> 
> Yes, WiFi assist should be turned off to avoid data usage because you’re 
> absolutely right it will use the radio to offset poor performance in the WiFi 
> network.
> However, on Verizon, turning off data will not stop traditional text 
> messages, same with Sprint.  In these networks, assuming you’ve disabled LTE 
> as part of disabling cellular data you will still use the 1X channel for 
> sending traditional carrier based text messages.  Things like iMessage will 
> still be disabled because that uses the high speed channel with the following 
> exceptions.  If you’re not on a voice call and the carrier is configured to 
> you may have low speed data still available even with the data option set.  
> This should prevent you from using a lot of data though because it’s only a 
> 100 kilobit channel so only designed to send things like a voice call or 
> regular text messages.  This is the reason for example when using the 1X 
> channel traditionally you could use only 2 lines at a time or for example 3 
> way calling and on AT you could have more calls in parallel.
>   Now on AT what’s your saying is closer to the truth.  There was no 
> separate voice channel.  Voice was encoded right in the HSPA stream with 
> everything else.  This is why AT and T-Mobile for years offered browsing 
> and talking at the same time and Sprint and Verizon could not.  Here you’ll 
> use the same data channel for messages of all flavors as well so if you 
> disable cell data you disable all messaging including carrier based text 
> messages.
>   There are a few ways to configure voice though to allow for calling 
> with out enabling data.  You can go in to the settings and enable LTE voice, 
> disable LTE data and this will allow for the use of the higher bandwidth 
> calling on all networks, turning off the global value for cell data will 
> disable all data services with the exception of plain texts on the two CDMA 
> based carriers.  You need to be mindful though of how the networks are 
> configured because quite soon CDMA is going away entirely on Verizon and 
> Sprint who knows.  At that point you’ll want to insure that your data on LTE 
> is disabled but voice is left enabled so that calls will complete.  
> 
> Hope that helps
> 
>  
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Joseph Hudson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Chris, I always have free moments for you. So yes most definitely anytime. 
>> In a nutshell, what I was trying to say. Where's when I Was with AT, with 
>> my iPhone 5S running IOS nine. I was able to receive phone calls with 
>> cellular data off, just not text messages. So part of what you said about 
>> not being able to receive phone calls is not technically true. As for Wi-Fi 
>> assist, you want to make sure that that is turned off, The reason why is it 
>> will use data, if your signal is weak. So when list this individual, once 
>> tube use their data I would leave that completely turned off otherwise, they 
>> we'll realize they’ll running to situations like what I did whenever I was 
>> with AT so what happen, was my phone with bounce off the Wi-Fi, And switch 
>> me over to LTE. And I would go to stream, and then I will get text message 
>> alerts from AT saying and I was either half or 75% over my data limit or 
>> at used 75%. But, I know longer have to worry about that. As I've already 
>> done make the switch to a different carrier.
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Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Ray Foret jr]

Seems to me you might try it this way.

If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, 
NOT, be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn cellular 
off all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you WILL, NOT, be able to 
make or receive calls unless you are in range of your WIFI network.  Can’t see 
what’s so hard to understand about that myself.  Seems very basic to me.  

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> On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Guys,
>  
> I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
> agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.
>  
> I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member it 
> is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going to 
> reveal their gender.
>  
> Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly new 
> to the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the smart phone world in 
> general.
>  
> When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like Apple 
> Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those things are 
> turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is allowed to be used with 
> the apps.
>  
> I told them that if  they either turn off any of those apps, or for that 
> mind, do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off completely, 
> that's not a very wise idea in most cases.  I tried explaining that when 
> cellular is off, then nothing will work if they're on the Verizon cellular 
> 4G/LTE network. The only time they'd have data internet connectivity would be 
> if they were on a wifi network. Obviously, they don't believe me, or don't 
> understand, one of the two.
>  
> I don't know how to explain this any easier. I told them that all they're 
> doing by disabling those apps under there like Apple Music, etc. is, they're 
> not disabling the apps from currently! using data. All they're doing is 
> disabling the apps so they never! will use cellular.
>  
> The example I gave them was, if they turn off Apple Music, then any time they 
> move out of range of their wifi, they won't be able to use Apple Music, as 
> they've disabled it from being able to be used with Cellular.
>  
> I told them, if they turn off cellular entirely, then they won't be able to 
> receive phone calls nor make calls, etc. unless they are on a wifi network, 
> as they do have wifi calling enabled.
>  
> Of corse, if they're on wifi, then their internet would also work regardless, 
> but as soon as they move away from the wifi range, their internet would go 
> kaput and so would their incoming and outgoing calls.
>  
> I tried explaining that by it saying those apps use cellular data, that 
> doesn't mean they're necessarily using their 6 gigs of data right then and 
> there. The only time that happens is if they're not on a wifi network, at 
> which point, it falls back to their LTE cellular data. As long as they are on 
>  a wifi network, it would not use their 6GB data plan.
>  
> Again, I'm not gonna reveal who it is, but they are on this list, and they 
> definitely do check their mail from this list on a regular basis, so if you 
> respond, I know they'll see it, beyond a doubt.
>  
> Perhaps one of you all who're a little more patient today can explain this.
>  
> They told me that they called Verizon, and Verizon is telling them to always 
> leave cellular completely turned off regardless if they are on wifi or not. I 
> find that extremely perplexing, as why the hell would you want your cellular 
> to always be off. O, Kayyy. I know places where yes, you may want it off, but 
> not 100% of the time. Come on! Really?
>  
> I don't doubt what they're telling me Verizon said to them, and honestly, it 
> doesn't exactly surprise me that a rep would a told them this, but I will 
> leavbe my personal opinions out, and spare you all.
>  
> Anyway, how else do I explain how that cellualr screen works, and what it 
> does?
>  
> Also, they're wonderring in that screen at the veryh bottom what wifi assist 
> is.
>  
> I wish they'd leave that stuff back their alone, as I know what's probably 
> gonna happen. They're gonna start turning stuff on/off then will dm me on 
> Twitter and be like, Chris, why is X, y, and Z not working? Then, I'm gonna 
> be lost, as I don't know what they shut on and off.
>  
> I keep telling them, if it isn't broken, don't try fixing it, but, they wanna 
> obviously be adventurous, which is fine, to a point, but why ask me what 
> something does, if you're only then gonna turn around and say, well, not 
> according to what x person/persons tell/tells me.
>  
> I mean, Gawod! 

Re: Enhanced Siri Voices, was: Re: Ipod touch latest and Alex

[Ray Foret jr]

Well, Chris, I got news for yuh, I can’t get the enhanced Siri voices either.  
Just the Normal ones.  Mind you, since Thom has come out on the iPhone as part 
of IOS10, I’ve been using the inhanced version of Thom both on my mid 2009 Mac 
book pro and my iPhone7+.  I’ve noticed that I can make Alex more expressive on 
my Mac but not my iPHone.  It’s that expressiveness which I love and which is a 
big reason why I stick to the Thom inhanced voice.  IF I could get the Aaron 
inhanced voice on my Mac, (Aaron being the US. male Siri voice) I would, but, 
since I want consistancy between my devices, I stick with inhanced Thom.


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> On Nov 1, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> What I! wanna know, is why on earth I cannot get the Siri Enhanced voices 
> back?
> 
> Accessibility is being completely beat around the bush with me regarding it. 
> Some reps tell me they did away with the enhanced American english male and 
> female voices, while others say, no, they should be there, while thirdly, 
> others say, they're not there and were taken out, but they're going to be 
> coming back soon.
> 
> I just want the truth in what on earth happened. I frankly don't like Alex, 
> but that's just me. I've grown to tollerate him, but that's about it. I find 
> most of the other Nuance voices to be the same, given my hearing loss.
> 
> The male Siri enhanced voice is about the only one I can do with ease. The 
> compact isn't terrible, but it's way to downsampled and fuzzy for my liking. 
> Plus, some of the way it pronounces things is utter crap!
> 
> Before anyone says anything, I've definitely done what was suggested by 
> Applevis by plugging in my phone to the actual wall, not the mac before 
> restoring an iCloud backup with the voices included from a device which still 
> has access to them. That did no good.
> 
> I've also restored and set up as a new device both from the phone itself as 
> well as from ITunes directly on the mac. No good.
> 
> BTW, no, this is not a public nor private beta. Neither ones have ever 
> touched this device.
> 
> Even stranger, a friend of mine just got an iPhone 6S+, and he had the voices 
> right from the get go. Both enhanced were there. So, why the hell can't I 
> seem to get them.
> 
> It's the weirdest thing. I did an iOS update about 3 or 4 builds back, and 
> ever since, they've just totally vannished.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> i...@gillandmarketing.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:55 AM
> Subject: Ipod touch latest and Alex
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Lucky me!  I have got an iPod touch for my birthday.  The trouble is for the 
> life of me I can't work out how to download and enable Alex as my voice. I've 
> been through accessibility, and voices, accessibility, Voiceover and speech, 
> but I still cannot work it out.  I can't stand Daniel, and Samantha is 
> tolerable but my favourite is Alex.  I have managed to enable him on my 
> iphone SE but ipod touch? No go.  Please help!  Ipod touch is supposed to 
> have the A8 chip so it should be possible.  Or maybe not?
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

[Ray Foret jr]

True.  But, he does in fact see many e-mail messages sent to him via that box.


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> On Oct 31, 2016, at 10:10 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> No, Simon is correct, his admin manages that box.
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2016, at 5:08 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> No, the information I have seems to suggest he actually does see e-mails 
>> sent to that address and acts on or responds fairly promptly.  For my part, 
>> however, I urge care when making use of this address.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Oct 31, 2016, at 12:58 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Surely he uses the products that he's pushing on the world, mind you I'm 
>>> guessing there is a P A to catch the crazies like us trying to get in touch 
>>> with him.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>>> Gilland
>>> Sent: Monday, 31 October 2016 10:11 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible
>>> 
>>> Oh wow, so it actually really is? out there?
>>> 
>>> Hmm, let's see if we can find his personal iPhone number.
>>> 
>>> Hey, we have his e-mail, we could at least take that and try to 
>>> iMessage/text or Facetime 'em.
>>> 
>>> You smirk at what I say here, and say don't be a smarty butt, but really, 
>>> no! I'm dead serious! It probably won't work, granted, but it's worth a 
>>> shot.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" <kgli...@icloud.com <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>>
>>> To: "Macvisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 2:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I wrote to Tim Cook once and got a reply from Accessibility as he didn't 
>>> answer!  I found his e-mail using Google.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>>> On 30 Oct 2016, at 17:59, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi time we wrote Tim cook himself and let him know.
>>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>>> built-in
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>> 
>>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 12:58 PM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com 
>>>>> <mailto:brianfisch...@me.com>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes it is awful. How can a company that talks such a big game about 
>>>>> accessibility have such a poorly designed main site. There is now no way 
>>>>> whats so ever to use universal mail rules. Or edit any of your existing 
>>>>> mail rules. Just awful.
>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've never been impressed with iCloud.com <http://icloud.com/>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alas, I can reproduce everything you're

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

[Ray Foret jr]

No, the information I have seems to suggest he actually does see e-mails sent 
to that address and acts on or responds fairly promptly.  For my part, however, 
I urge care when making use of this address.


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> On Oct 31, 2016, at 12:58 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Surely he uses the products that he's pushing on the world, mind you I'm 
> guessing there is a P A to catch the crazies like us trying to get in touch 
> with him.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
> Sent: Monday, 31 October 2016 10:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible
> 
> Oh wow, so it actually really is? out there?
> 
> Hmm, let's see if we can find his personal iPhone number.
> 
> Hey, we have his e-mail, we could at least take that and try to iMessage/text 
> or Facetime 'em.
> 
> You smirk at what I say here, and say don't be a smarty butt, but really, no! 
> I'm dead serious! It probably won't work, granted, but it's worth a shot.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> i...@gillandmarketing.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" <kgli...@icloud.com>
> To: "Macvisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 2:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible
> 
> 
> I wrote to Tim Cook once and got a reply from Accessibility as he didn't 
> answer!  I found his e-mail using Google.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 30 Oct 2016, at 17:59, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi time we wrote Tim cook himself and let him know.
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 12:58 PM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes it is awful. How can a company that talks such a big game about 
>>> accessibility have such a poorly designed main site. There is now no way 
>>> whats so ever to use universal mail rules. Or edit any of your existing 
>>> mail rules. Just awful.
>>>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I've never been impressed with iCloud.com
>>>> 
>>>> Alas, I can reproduce everything you're saying.
>>>> ---
>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>>> Training Instructor.
>>>> 
>>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>> - Original Message - From: "Brian Fischler" 
>>>> <brianfisch...@me.com>
>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:50 AM
>>>> Subject: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> 
>>>> Ok the old iCloud website was bad enough but this is ridiculous what 
>>>> they have done with it. Would love to hear if anyone can access mail on 
>>>> the iCloud site so they can create a mail rule. I used to be able to do 
>>>> this and the steps were a little weird but now there is no way to get to 
>>>> mail. I go to iCloud get signed in, go to settings then VO space on 
>>>> settings to switch app. I can get to mail and I VO space on it and it 
>>>> takes me back to the main screen of Find your devices. Please do let me 
>>>> know if anyone knows how to get to mail so I can setup a new mail rule. 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
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Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

[Ray Foret jr]

tc...@apple.com


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> On Oct 30, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Dan <ablindvou...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> hello,
> 
> So pray tell, how do you do that. What's Mr. Cook's real email address.
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Oct 30, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi time we wrote Tim cook himself and let him know.  
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 12:58 PM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com 
>>> <mailto:brianfisch...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes it is awful. How can a company that talks such a big game about 
>>> accessibility have such a poorly designed main site. There is now no way 
>>> whats so ever to use universal mail rules. Or edit any of your existing 
>>> mail rules. Just awful. 
>>>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I've never been impressed with iCloud.com <http://icloud.com/>
>>>> 
>>>> Alas, I can reproduce everything you're saying.
>>>> ---
>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>>> Training Instructor.
>>>> 
>>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>> - Original Message - From: "Brian Fischler" <brianfisch...@me.com 
>>>> <mailto:brianfisch...@me.com>>
>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:50 AM
>>>> Subject: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> 
>>>> Ok the old iCloud website was bad enough but this is ridiculous what they 
>>>> have done with it. Would love to hear if anyone can access mail on the 
>>>> iCloud site so they can create a mail rule. I used to be able to do this 
>>>> and the steps were a little weird but now there is no way to get to mail. 
>>>> I go to iCloud get signed in, go to settings then VO space on settings to 
>>>> switch app. I can get to mail and I VO space on it and it takes me back to 
>>>> the main screen of Find your devices. Please do let me know if anyone 
>>>> knows how to get to mail so I can setup a new mail rule. Thanks,
>>>> 
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Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

[Ray Foret jr]

Hi time we wrote Tim cook himself and let him know.  
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built-in

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> On Oct 30, 2016, at 12:58 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Yes it is awful. How can a company that talks such a big game about 
> accessibility have such a poorly designed main site. There is now no way 
> whats so ever to use universal mail rules. Or edit any of your existing mail 
> rules. Just awful. 
>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I've never been impressed with iCloud.com
>> 
>> Alas, I can reproduce everything you're saying.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Brian Fischler" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:50 AM
>> Subject: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible
>> 
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Ok the old iCloud website was bad enough but this is ridiculous what they 
>> have done with it. Would love to hear if anyone can access mail on the 
>> iCloud site so they can create a mail rule. I used to be able to do this and 
>> the steps were a little weird but now there is no way to get to mail. I go 
>> to iCloud get signed in, go to settings then VO space on settings to switch 
>> app. I can get to mail and I VO space on it and it takes me back to the main 
>> screen of Find your devices. Please do let me know if anyone knows how to 
>> get to mail so I can setup a new mail rule. Thanks,
>> 
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Re: slight apple rant

[Ray Foret jr]

Does the same thing to me.  I’m using a mid 2009 15 inch Mac book pro and I get 
exactly the same thing.  Quite aggravating.


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> On Oct 29, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> I'm using a late 2009 mac mini, and was checking for software updates, and it 
> mentioned the free sierra upgrade, so I clicked it and then got the message 
> that it could not be installed on this computer, looks like you must have at 
> least a 2010 mac mini, but in that case, why mention it in the first place. 
> Kind of silly. The store application should not even mention an upgrade if 
> your mac can't install it.
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Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Ray Foret jr]

Now now now.  I ask you, ET.  Was that really necessary.  Yes, maybe Chris 
should have known from descriptions of the new Mac book pro about the touch ID 
area:  but, for you to stoop to such a low level like that is, quite frankly, 
beneeth the standards of proper behavior and mtual respect we all have for each 
other here.

We’re all here to help each other;  not to reduce ourselves to low-life scum 
bags by behaving toward each other in the way your message does.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Oct 28, 2016, at 11:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   Read the quoted text. Its all there. (shakes head)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 10/28/2016 9:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages
>> blocked, so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so
>> forgive me.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> 
>>- Original Message -
>>*From:* Ray Foret jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
>>*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>*Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
>>*Subject:* Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd:
>>Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>> 
>>I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From
>>the look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually
>>went for was pressing the command key plus the tripple press of
>>touch ID.  IN other words, you press and hold down the command key
>>and while doing so, you tripple press the touch ID.
>>Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
>>blind built-in
>> 
>>Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>>Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
>>Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>>On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados
>>><scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the
>>>comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.
>>> 
>>>This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in
>>>such a quick turn around on this question.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>Begin forwarded message:
>>>> 
>>>>*From: *Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com
>>>><mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
>>>>*Subject: **Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up:
>>>>651323126*
>>>>*Date: *October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
>>>>*To: *scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>>> 
>>>>Hello,
>>>> 
>>>>Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom
>>>>and Switch Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver
>>>>gestures users already know and love from iOS to navigate and
>>>>control the information on display in the Touch Bar. To turn
>>>>VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and triple-press the
>>>>Touch ID button.
>>>> 
>>>>Apple Accessibility
>>>> 
>>>>For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
>>>>http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
>>>>https://support.apple.com/accessibility
>>>> 
>>>>On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com
>>>>wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user 
>>>>> activate voice over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a 
>>>>> replacement for command F5?
>>>>> 
>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>Scott
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day in my 
>>>>> professional life and your accessibility tools mak

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Ray Foret jr]

At the very end of the touch bar on the new Mac book Pro, there is a touch ID 
area which also works as a power switch.

This you press three times while holding down the command key.


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iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Oct 28, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages blocked, so 
> I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
>  
> i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Ray Foret jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
>> and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>> 
>> I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From the look 
>> of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for was 
>> pressing the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID.  IN other 
>> words, you press and hold down the command key and while doing so, you 
>> tripple press the touch ID.  
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the comments 
>>> from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.
>>> 
>>> This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a 
>>> quick turn around on this question.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>> 
>>>> From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com 
>>>> <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
>>>> Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>>> Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
>>>> To: scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>>> 
>>>> Hello, 
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and Switch 
>>>> Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures users 
>>>> already know and love from iOS to navigate and control the information on 
>>>> display in the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command 
>>>> key and triple-press the Touch ID button.
>>>> 
>>>> Apple Accessibility
>>>> 
>>>> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ <http://www.apple.com/accessibility/>
>>>> https://support.apple.com/accessibility 
>>>> <https://support.apple.com/accessibility>
>>>> 
>>>> On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user activate 
>>>>> voice over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a replacement for 
>>>>> command F5?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Scott
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day in my 
>>>>> professional life and your accessibility tools make that possible.  As a 
>>>>> network engineer you help this blind professional every day and I do 
>>>>> thank you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
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Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Ray Foret jr]

I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From the look of 
their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for was pressing 
the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID.  IN other words, you press 
and hold down the command key and while doing so, you tripple press the touch 
ID.  
Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the comments 
> from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.
> 
> This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a quick 
> turn around on this question.
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Apple Accessibility > >
>> Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>> Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
>> To: scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> 
>> Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and Switch 
>> Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures users 
>> already know and love from iOS to navigate and control the information on 
>> display in the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key 
>> and triple-press the Touch ID button.
>> 
>> Apple Accessibility
>> 
>> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ 
>> https://support.apple.com/accessibility
>> 
>> On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user activate 
>>> voice over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a replacement for 
>>> command F5?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> 
>>> P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day in my 
>>> professional life and your accessibility tools make that possible.  As a 
>>> network engineer you help this blind professional every day and I do thank 
>>> you.
>>> 
>>> 
> 
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one contact I cannot get rid of

[Ray Foret jr]

First, this isn’t personal to anyone.  There’s a particular contact who’s 
information I no longer have and want to get rid of. Every time I look in my 
contacts on my Mac, there she is.  She also shows up in my iPHone contacts.  
Pressing “edit” on neither my Mac nor iPhone does any good.  Intering bogus 
information in this contacts data and then deleting it still does no good as 
afterward, she still shows up.  I tried to find a link to facebook in her 
contact data after pressing the edit button but no good.  It’s not that I don’t 
like this person, but, I just want to delete her and start over again.  Any 
ideas?


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Re: What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event | AppleVis

[Ray Foret jr]

IF Apple is truly going for consistancy, I have a feeling I know how we will 
turn on Voice Over with the new touch bar.  I don’t know this for sure:  but, 
I’d be willing to guess that to turn on Voice Over, you simply touch or press 
the power button three times quickly if Voice Over is off.  OF course, you 
might be able to do it with Siri, or, here’s another guess:  press the command 
key and anywhere on the touch bar.  IF voice Over is off, it will know that you 
are trying to turn on Voice Over.  My best guess, however, would be to quickly 
touch the power button three times.  Makes the most sense and keeps things 
logical and easy.


> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:01 AM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> http://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-apple-tv-news/what-we-got-apples-october-2016-event#comment-form
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event
>> Submitted by mehgcap on 27 October, 2016 - 16:28 and last modified on 27 
>> October, 2016 - 19:18
>> 
>>  
>> Hello Again
>> 
>> Today, Apple held a press event it called "Hello Again". The company 
>> announced a new accessibility website, a new Apple TV feature, and a 
>> long-awaited update to its MacBook computers. It may have missed the 
>> back-to-school shoppers, but today's announcements arrive just in time for 
>> the holiday shopping frenzy. There are some major changes to the MacBook 
>> line-up on the way, and while much of what you're about to read is awesome, 
>> you may not like all of it. But there's a great deal to like about the 
>> latest offerings from Apple, and I yell at articles to quit rambling in 
>> their intros and get on with it just as much as you do, so let's get on with 
>> it!
>> 
>> Accessibility Kick-Off
>> 
>> To my surprise, Apple started the presentation with a video highlighting 
>> accessibility features of its products. This led to Tim Cook's announcing a 
>> "whole new website" focused on Apple's accessibility efforts. As of the time 
>> of this writing, we haven't had a chance to fully explore this new website 
>> , but it's always great to see the 
>> spotlight shown on all the work Apple does to make their devices as usable, 
>> to as many people, as they can. It’s also great to see that the AppleVis 
>> Community is featured on Apple’s new Accessibility Portal as somewhere 
>> people should go to obtain more information and support. Thank you, Apple!
>> 
>> Get Entertained on Apple TV
>> 
>> No, there's not a new Apple TV coming out, but there is a new way to find 
>> something to watch on the box you already have. It's a new app from Apple, 
>> called--appropriately enough--TV. Yep, just those two letters. 
>> Interestingly, Apple offers this app on not just Apple TV, but your iOS 
>> devices as well, letting you browse and play content on any of your devices. 
>> But what, exactly, does the app do?
>> 
>> TV pulls together any shows or movies you're already watching on your video 
>> apps, as well as offering the next or newest episodes in TV series. This 
>> isn't just iTunes, either; it can work with ShowTime, CBS, HBO Now, and 
>> others, which makes it simple to keep up with any entertainment you're 
>> watching. The app also shows you your iTunes purchases or new video apps. It 
>> can even play content without you needing to know which app the content is 
>> in; tell Siri to play a particular show or game and that's all you need. But 
>> don't get too excited, because while the app is free, it won't be here until 
>> the end of the year.
>> 
>> Prose about the Pro
>> 
>> The MacBook Pro was the star of the show today. It got a major makeover--the 
>> first since the 2013 model dropped the disk drive--and there's a lot of 
>> great stuff on and inside it. Yet, there's also a change you may not like.
>> 
>> Inevitable Updates
>> 
>> First, the fun part: the updates we all expected, and that Apple almost had 
>> to make. The Pro is now slightly lighter and thinner, while the battery life 
>> remains at ten hours; no surprise there. It's also adopted the USB-C ports 
>> we first saw in the Retina MacBook last year. The new Pro includes four of 
>> them, and any of them can be used to charge the machine, which is a great 
>> touch if your outlet is opposite the power jack of your Mac. The audio jack, 
>> fortunately, hasn't gone anywhere, so there's no need to worry about getting 
>> USB sound cards or mics plus a bunch of adaptors. Those four USB-C (also 
>> called Thunderbolt 3--same thing) are all the ports you get, though. No 
>> standard USB, no Mini Display, no card reader, and, sadly, no more MagSafe.
>> 
>> Speaking of audio, the speakers are louder and, Apple claims, sound better 
>> than ever. Oh, and the storage is twice as fast as before, while the ram has 
>> 

why are cards still showing up in Walet?

[Ray Foret jr]

Okay,

I just removed two credit cards from my Apple pay data in icloud.com and now 
there should be no cards there at all.  Yet, when I open my Walet app on my 
iPhone, the cards still show.  Any idea why?  I got notifications that both 
cards had been removed and I also got the correct e-mail.  Any idea what’s 
going on?  Thanks.
j
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what in the world is up with all these crazy Safari menus

[Ray Foret jr]

Okay,

Using the latest version of Safari and I noticed that every single time I open 
a web page, I get all kinds of crazy pop up menus which don’t seem to  last 
long enough for me to try to understand what in the name of sanity they are 
supposed to be for.  Anybody got any idea wha all this is about and how I can 
just shut these off or else learn to manipulate them?  Somehow, these menus 
seem in some way to be linked to address bar but can’t ever be sure.

Thanks.


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Re: Scheduling a video to be published on youtube with voiceover (Video inside)

[Ray Foret jr]

Say, did you use Screenflow to record this or Quick Time?  Just curious.  
Thanks.

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> On Oct 22, 2016, at 4:34 PM, Michael Babcock  wrote:
> 
> In this video i just published 2 hours ago, i walk you threw the process of 
> Scheduling a video on youtube with voiceover to be published. The only add on 
> that I want to add to this video is you can only select for the time the 
> section of the video to be posted at the top of the hour, or the half hour. 
> So for example you could only schedule a video to be posted at 12 AM,, or 
> 12:30 AM… but you do have all 24 hours to choose from.
> 
> I only mention this because I forgot to explain that better in the video, 
> however here's the video and hopefully it helps someone…
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPSMukM-_34=youtu.be 
> 
> best regards
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Re: charging iPhone 7+ issues

[Ray Foret jr]

That’s right Chris.  No more using the home button with the power button.  From 
here on out, it’s power plus volume down.

Way easier I think.


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> On Oct 21, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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> So, power and volume down. I've never heard of that, is that basically now 
> what you do instead of power and home?
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>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Simon Fogarty 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 7:41 PM
>> Subject: charging iPhone 7+ issues
>> 
>> Hi List,
>>  
>>   I just received my iPhone 7+ 2 days ago and used the battery upp 
>> completely before charging it last night.
>>  
>> Now when I got up this morning and unplugged it from ac power  the phone 
>> felt very warm and I could not unlock it with the pin code or get it to turn 
>> vo off / on 
>>  
>> I started getting a bit concerned that things might be wrong but finally 
>> foud the instructions on how to reboot the iPhone 7 range, power and volume 
>> down,
>> This seemed to correct issues I was having with pin input and fingerprint 
>> scanning 
>>  
>> The charging seemed to really screw up the input.
>>  
>> H has anyone else noticed this sort of behaviour with their phones  
>> especially the device heating up when charging  
>> Warm enough for me to feel it through the leather wallet case it was in, I 
>> never felt this with my 6s+ or previous 6 etc.
>>  
>> Cheers for any info.
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Re: Anyone else having issues with Netflix?

[Ray Foret jr]

The trick to doing audio description on Netflix is as follows.

1.  Start a show.

2.  Pause it by pressing and holding in the select button on your third gen 
Apple TV.

3.  Now, arrow up once and then go right once until you hear “audio.

4.  Now, go down until you hear “English audio description”.  Press select on 
that and you’re done.

Somehow, though, it doesn’t seem to stick so you might want to have a list 
handi of all the shows with audio description you want to access just in case.

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> On Oct 17, 2016, at 1:29 AM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> There is a setting to turn on or off audio description, but it appears to 
> only work in the iTunes store where movies and TV shows contain audio 
> description.
>> On 17 Oct 2016, at 01:36, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Vaughn,
>> 
>> I could be wrong, but I don't think audio description is available on the 
>> 3rd gen Apple TV.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I am having trouble accessing audio description on my Apple TV 3rd
>>> Gen. I type in AD, nothing. I type in Audio Discription, nothing. Am I
>>> using the wrong keyword? Also, I bought Jonathan's Apple TV guide for
>>> Voiceover, and it mentioned that AD can be accessed under language. I
>>> don't see a language setting but I do see audio where languages are
>>> listed.
>>> Any pointers be great!
>>> Thanks,
>>> Vaughn
>>> 
>>> On 10/16/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
 Amazon is actively working on accessibility however.  It’s not where Apple
 TV is but it’s catching up.  I have a Fire TV box and it’s very good for
 viewing Amazon content.  The applications are starting to work but they
 don’t reliably yet so your netflix for example won’t be any easier to use 
 on
 the Amazon platform, at least not yet.
 
 It’s steadily being improved though since they added a screen reader a few
 months back.
 
> On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> 
> Hi. Amazon appears to have better content in terms of movies because I’m
> not really into tv series and the deal breaker for me is that is not Audio
> description available with their content.
>> On 15 Oct 2016, at 14:15, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Scott,
>> 
>> Didn't know the financial info, interesting.  I hate to do it, we've been
>> happy with Netflix, but may be time to switch to Amazon.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 8:07 AM, Scott Granados 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna, I think Netflix is more interested in making payroll at this
>>> point.:)  They are in a very tight position right now.  They have to pay
>>> for creating their own content and are competing with Amazon who has
>>> enough spare money in their couch cushions to burry netflix.  For
>>> example, they (Netflix) just paid Chris Rock 40 million for 3 hours of
>>> programming.  I have also heard they have cut their catalog in half in
>>> recent days.  I’m not saying they will go under tomorrow but they aren’t
>>> the high fliers they were a short time ago.  Unfortunately,
>>> accessibility usually takes a back seat when they are more concerned
>>> with things like keeping the lights on.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 14, 2016, at 9:59 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 So I thought Netflix recently lost a lawsuit and is supposed to be
 becoming more accessible?
 
 I keep having problems accessing it from my Apple TV.  When I click on
 either my husband's or my profile, I'm taken to the Popular on Netflix
 screen, and there doesn't seem to be any way to access the recently
 viewed shows in that profile.  Is anyone else experiencing this?
 Anyone know of a solution?
 TIA,
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Re: Voices in Sierra

[Ray Foret jr]

There might be another folder in to which those voices need to be put.  Bear in 
mind I’m using L Capitan and not Sierra and so can be of no help there.


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> On Oct 11, 2016, at 11:05 PM, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Ray. Those voices are there as you say but they don't work with Voiceover.
> 
> Shawn
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>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 8:48 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Let me look and see a second.
>> 
>> Found it I think.  Here’s the path.
>> 
>> Macintosh/System/Library/Speech/Voices  and from that point on, each voice 
>> is assigned its own folder.
>> 
>> So, I’m guessing that the male Siri voice would have this path:
>> 
>> Macintosh/System/Library/Speech/Voices/Aaron folder.
>> 
>> 
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>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Ray, is there a specific folder you put voices if you want them to work 
>>> with Voiceover? If so, where?
>>> 
>>> Shawn
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>>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 4:06 PM, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>>> <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi John. No, unfortunately not. BTW the preference pain to change voices 
>>>> in system prefs is accessibility.
>>>> 
>>>> Shawn
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>>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
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>>>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 6:28 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do they show up in the list of voices available for non VoiceOver speech? 
>>>>> I understand the Dictation and Voice control panel might have been 
>>>>> renamed, so I can't give a hint as to where to look.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Best wishes,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 3:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The strange thing about that is that if you go into the finder, 
>>>>>> Mackintosh HD, library, system, speech, and voices, you can see all the 
>>>>>> Siri voices there. I'd love it if there was something out there to make 
>>>>>> them work with Voiceover.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Shawn
>>>>>> Sent From My White MacBook
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>>>>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>>>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>>>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 1:15 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>>>>> <challswor...@icloud.com <mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> No they haven’t, at least it’s not in the list of voices in VoiceOver 
>>>>>>> Utility.
>>>>>>>> On 11 Oct 2016, at 03:13, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>>>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Am I correct in my assumption that in Sierra we

Re: Voices in Sierra

[Ray Foret jr]

Let me look and see a second.

Found it I think.  Here’s the path.

Macintosh/System/Library/Speech/Voices  and from that point on, each voice is 
assigned its own folder.

So, I’m guessing that the male Siri voice would have this path:

Macintosh/System/Library/Speech/Voices/Aaron folder.


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> On Oct 11, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hey Ray, is there a specific folder you put voices if you want them to work 
> with Voiceover? If so, where?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
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>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 4:06 PM, Shawn Krasniuk > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John. No, unfortunately not. BTW the preference pain to change voices in 
>> system prefs is accessibility.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 6:28 AM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do they show up in the list of voices available for non VoiceOver speech? I 
>>> understand the Dictation and Voice control panel might have been renamed, 
>>> so I can't give a hint as to where to look.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 11, 2016, at 3:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk > wrote:
 
 The strange thing about that is that if you go into the finder, Mackintosh 
 HD, library, system, speech, and voices, you can see all the Siri voices 
 there. I'd love it if there was something out there to make them work with 
 Voiceover.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
 
> On Oct 11, 2016, at 1:15 AM, christopher hallsworth 
> > wrote:
> 
> No they haven’t, at least it’s not in the list of voices in VoiceOver 
> Utility.
>> On 11 Oct 2016, at 03:13, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Am I correct in my assumption that in Sierra we didn't get access with 
>> Voiceover to the male and female American Siri voices? I know there was 
>> talk about them possibly including them like they did starting in iOS 9, 
>> but as far as I can tell, they didn't actually do it on the OSX side, as 
>> we thought they would.
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>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: John Panarese
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Voices in Sierra
>>> 
>>>   I just looked here and she is in my rotor, though all of the way 
>>> towards the bottom mixed with other languages. Does she show up in VO 
>>> Utility when you use the popup menu for default voice?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 10, 2016, at 9:51 PM, E.T. > wrote:
 
 I have several voices selected in VO Utility and all but one show up 
 in the speech rotor. That one is Samantha. What's keeping her out of 
 sight?
 
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