Re: new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

ok. it was in the vo utility. happy to have it back.

> On Dec 4, 2023, at 11:49 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> It's not. It's still called Alex.
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/2/2023 4:35 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> still. looking for Alex. I did follow your instructions. would it be in siri 
>> compact voice 1 or 2? I’m sure it’s not elloquence.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 8:06 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> To download more voices for VoiceOver:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1. Open your Mac's System Preferences.
>>> 2. Select Accessibility>Spoken Content:
>>> 3. Click on the system voice:
>>> 4. On the menu that appears, scroll the bottom and click on Manage Voices...
>>> 5. A list of extra downloadable voices will appear. ... 
>>> 6. The voices will now be downloaded.
>>> list end
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/1/2023 8:15 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>>> can you tell me how to download Alex?
>>>> 
>>>> I should probably get a mixer. I’d probably only need about 8 channels. 
>>>> I’m just a folkie after all.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>>>> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alex must be downloaded.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one 
>>>>> didn't, either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. I 
>>>>> have mine connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use the 
>>>>> speaker jack in the back strictly for VoiceOver.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>>>>> I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running 
>>>>>> Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and 
>>>>>> my headphones. that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a way 
>>>>>> to have both plugged in to this computer? there’s no place for a 
>>>>>> microphone either I suppose I’ll have to use a usb mic.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if 
>>>>>> not, where is he?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>>>>>> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Lorie,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
>>>>>>> USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just 
>>>>>>> above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the 
>>>>>>> way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get 
>>>>>>> yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five 
>>>>>>> dollars. It's just a couple electronic components inside a can that 
>>>>>>> make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged into it when there isn't 
>>>>>>> one. You are correct, though, that there is no SD card slot. Another 
>>>>>>> thing they took away is the power lamp. The Mini I got in 2012 had a 
>>>>>>> bright red LED power indicator on the front edge. The new ones don't.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>> I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are 
>>>>>>>> different from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have 
>>>>>>>> one? also there are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll 
>>>>>>>> probably have to get a usb hub. what kind do I need?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what 
>>>>>>>> they're for.
>>>

Re: new Mac Mini

[Steve Matzura]

It's not. It's still called Alex.


On 12/2/2023 4:35 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
still. looking for Alex. I did follow your instructions. would it be 
in siri compact voice 1 or 2? I’m sure it’s not elloquence.


thanks.


On Dec 1, 2023, at 8:06 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

To download more voices for VoiceOver:


1. Open your Mac's System Preferences.
2. Select Accessibility>Spoken Content:
3. Click on the system voice:
4. On the menu that appears, scroll the bottom and click on Manage 
Voices...

5. A list of extra downloadable voices will appear. ...
6. The voices will now be downloaded.
list end


On 12/1/2023 8:15 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

can you tell me how to download Alex?

I should probably get a mixer. I’d probably only need about 8 
channels. I’m just a folkie after all.


On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  
wrote:


Alex must be downloaded.


The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y 
adapter.



You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last 
one didn't, either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 
doesn't. I have mine connected to my 32-channel digital mixing 
console. I use the speaker jack in the back strictly for VoiceOver.



On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s 
running Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my 
speakers and my headphones. that isn’t working very well on this 
one. is there a way to have both plugged in to this computer? 
there’s no place for a microphone either I suppose I’ll have to 
use a usb mic.


the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and 
if not, where is he?


thanks.

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura 
 wrote:


Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has 
two USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the 
back just above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in 
between. By the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini 
with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI 
port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple electronic 
components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a 
monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct, 
though, that there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took 
away is the power lamp. The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red 
LED power indicator on the front edge. The new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie




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Re: new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

still. looking for Alex. I did follow your instructions. would it be in siri 
compact voice 1 or 2? I’m sure it’s not elloquence.

thanks.

> On Dec 1, 2023, at 8:06 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> To download more voices for VoiceOver:
> 
> 
> 
> 1. Open your Mac's System Preferences.
> 2. Select Accessibility>Spoken Content:
> 3. Click on the system voice:
> 4. On the menu that appears, scroll the bottom and click on Manage Voices...
> 5. A list of extra downloadable voices will appear. ... 
> 6. The voices will now be downloaded.
> list end
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/1/2023 8:15 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> can you tell me how to download Alex?
>> 
>> I should probably get a mixer. I’d probably only need about 8 channels. I’m 
>> just a folkie after all.
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Alex must be downloaded.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one 
>>> didn't, either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. I have 
>>> mine connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use the speaker 
>>> jack in the back strictly for VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>>> I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running 
>>>> Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and my 
>>>> headphones. that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a way to 
>>>> have both plugged in to this computer? there’s no place for a microphone 
>>>> either I suppose I’ll have to use a usb mic.
>>>> 
>>>> the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if not, 
>>>> where is he?
>>>> 
>>>> thanks.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>>>> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lorie,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two USB-A 
>>>>> ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just above the 
>>>>> heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the way, if 
>>>>> you're not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get yourself a Fit 
>>>>> Headless donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a 
>>>>> couple electronic components inside a can that make your Mini think 
>>>>> there's a monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct, 
>>>>> though, that there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is 
>>>>> the power lamp. The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power 
>>>>> indicator on the front edge. The new ones don't.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>>>>> I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are 
>>>>>> different from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have 
>>>>>> one? also there are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll 
>>>>>> probably have to get a usb hub. what kind do I need?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're 
>>>>>> for.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>> Lorie
>>>>> 
> 
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Re: new Mac Mini

[Steve Matzura]

To download more voices for VoiceOver:


1. Open your Mac's System Preferences.
2. Select Accessibility>Spoken Content:
3. Click on the system voice:
4. On the menu that appears, scroll the bottom and click on Manage Voices...
5. A list of extra downloadable voices will appear. ...
6. The voices will now be downloaded.
list end


On 12/1/2023 8:15 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

can you tell me how to download Alex?

I should probably get a mixer. I’d probably only need about 8 
channels. I’m just a folkie after all.



On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

Alex must be downloaded.


The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.


You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one 
didn't, either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. 
I have mine connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use 
the speaker jack in the back strictly for VoiceOver.



On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s 
running Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my 
speakers and my headphones. that isn’t working very well on this 
one. is there a way to have both plugged in to this computer? 
there’s no place for a microphone either I suppose I’ll have to use 
a usb mic.


the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and 
if not, where is he?


thanks.

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
wrote:


Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back 
just above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in 
between. By the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with 
a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. 
Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple electronic components 
inside a can that make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged 
into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that there 
is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. 
The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the 
front edge. The new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie




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Re: new Mac Mini

[Steve Matzura]

Everything's USB now, whether it's A, C, or Thunderbolt. All monitors 
are HDMI, no more VGA. Yes, you can certainly get Y adapters.



On 12/1/2023 8:12 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
could I get a Y adapter that would work? of course this worked on my 
old one which was a late 2014. I know I didn’t have a mic on my old 
Mac but I did have an input jack and I don’t think I do on this one.



On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

Alex must be downloaded.


The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.


You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one 
didn't, either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. 
I have mine connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use 
the speaker jack in the back strictly for VoiceOver.



On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s 
running Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my 
speakers and my headphones. that isn’t working very well on this 
one. is there a way to have both plugged in to this computer? 
there’s no place for a microphone either I suppose I’ll have to use 
a usb mic.


the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and 
if not, where is he?


thanks.

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
wrote:


Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back 
just above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in 
between. By the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with 
a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. 
Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple electronic components 
inside a can that make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged 
into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that there 
is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. 
The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the 
front edge. The new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie




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Re: new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

can you tell me how to download Alex?

I should probably get a mixer. I’d probably only need about 8 channels. I’m 
just a folkie after all.

> On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> Alex must be downloaded.
> 
> 
> 
> The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.
> 
> 
> 
> You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one didn't, 
> either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. I have mine 
> connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use the speaker jack in 
> the back strictly for VoiceOver.
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running 
>> Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and my 
>> headphones. that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a way to have 
>> both plugged in to this computer? there’s no place for a microphone either I 
>> suppose I’ll have to use a usb mic.
>> 
>> the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if not, 
>> where is he?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lorie,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two USB-A 
>>> ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just above the 
>>> heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the way, if you're 
>>> not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless 
>>> donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple 
>>> electronic components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a 
>>> monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that 
>>> there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. 
>>> The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front 
>>> edge. The new ones don't.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>>> I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are 
>>>> different from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? 
>>>> also there are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have 
>>>> to get a usb hub. what kind do I need?
>>>> 
>>>> there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're 
>>>> for.
>>>> 
>>>> thanks.
>>>> Lorie
>>> 
> 
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Re: new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

could I get a Y adapter that would work? of course this worked on my old one 
which was a late 2014. I know I didn’t have a mic on my old Mac but I did have 
an input jack and I don’t think I do on this one.

> On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> Alex must be downloaded.
> 
> 
> 
> The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.
> 
> 
> 
> You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one didn't, 
> either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. I have mine 
> connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use the speaker jack in 
> the back strictly for VoiceOver.
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running 
>> Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and my 
>> headphones. that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a way to have 
>> both plugged in to this computer? there’s no place for a microphone either I 
>> suppose I’ll have to use a usb mic.
>> 
>> the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if not, 
>> where is he?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lorie,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two USB-A 
>>> ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just above the 
>>> heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the way, if you're 
>>> not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless 
>>> donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple 
>>> electronic components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a 
>>> monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that 
>>> there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. 
>>> The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front 
>>> edge. The new ones don't.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>>> I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are 
>>>> different from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? 
>>>> also there are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have 
>>>> to get a usb hub. what kind do I need?
>>>> 
>>>> there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're 
>>>> for.
>>>> 
>>>> thanks.
>>>> Lorie
>>> 
> 
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Re: new Mac Mini

[Steve Matzura]

Alex must be downloaded.


The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.


You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one 
didn't, either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. I 
have mine connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use the 
speaker jack in the back strictly for VoiceOver.



On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running 
Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and 
my headphones. that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a 
way to have both plugged in to this computer? there’s no place for a 
microphone either I suppose I’ll have to use a usb mic.


the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if 
not, where is he?


thanks.

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
wrote:


Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just 
above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By 
the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, 
get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. Costs about 
five dollars. It's just a couple electronic components inside a can 
that make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged into it when 
there isn't one. You are correct, though, that there is no SD card 
slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. The Mini I got 
in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front edge. The 
new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie




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Re: new Mac Mini

[Steve Matzura]

Yes.


On 11/30/2023 8:47 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I was wrong about the dongle. it fits perfectly. so are the 
thunderbold ports the small ones?


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:16 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:



Oh, I forgot, Anker makes great hubs. Their ten-port 65-watt hub is 
compact and has not only seven active powered USB 3 ports, but three 
more just for charging--i.e., not connected to the computer at the 
other end. I have two of these--one on my desk for various things 
connected to my own Mini, and one in my computing go-bag with lots of 
cables for when I go out on repair jobs and sometimes training.


3

On 11/30/2023 8:09 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:


Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just 
above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By 
the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, 
get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. Costs about 
five dollars. It's just a couple electronic components inside a can 
that make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged into it when 
there isn't one. You are correct, though, that there is no SD card 
slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. The Mini I got 
in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front edge. The 
new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running Ventura. 
on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and my headphones. 
that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a way to have both plugged 
in to this computer? there’s no place for a microphone either I suppose I’ll 
have to use a usb mic.

the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if not, 
where is he?

thanks.

> On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> Lorie,
> 
> 
> 
> If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two USB-A 
> ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just above the heat 
> dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the way, if you're not 
> going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless 
> donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple 
> electronic components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a 
> monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that 
> there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. The 
> Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front edge. 
> The new ones don't.
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
>> from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there 
>> are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb 
>> hub. what kind do I need?
>> 
>> there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
> 
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Re: new Mac Mini

[Maurice A. Mines]

I was wrong about the dongle. it fits perfectly. so are the thunderbold ports 
the small ones?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:16 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:


Oh, I forgot, Anker makes great hubs. Their ten-port 65-watt hub is compact and 
has not only seven active powered USB 3 ports, but three more just for 
charging--i.e., not connected to the computer at the other end. I have two of 
these--one on my desk for various things connected to my own Mini, and one in 
my computing go-bag with lots of cables for when I go out on repair jobs and 
sometimes training.

3

On 11/30/2023 8:09 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
> Lorie,
> 
> 
> 
> If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two USB-A 
> ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just above the heat 
> dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the way, if you're not 
> going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless 
> donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple 
> electronic components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a 
> monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that 
> there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. The 
> Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front edge. 
> The new ones don't.
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
>> from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there 
>> are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb 
>> hub. what kind do I need?
>> 
>> there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

I was wrong about the dongle. it fits perfectly. so are the thunderbold ports the small ones?Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 30, 2023, at 7:16 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

  

  
  
Oh, I forgot, Anker makes great hubs. Their ten-port 65-watt hub
  is compact and has not only seven active powered USB 3 ports, but
  three more just for charging--i.e., not connected to the computer
  at the other end. I have two of these--one on my desk for various
  things connected to my own Mini, and one in my computing go-bag
  with lots of cables for when I go out on repair jobs and sometimes
  training.
3 

On 11/30/2023 8:09 PM, Steve Matzura
  wrote:


  
  Lorie,
  
  
  If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has
two USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the
back just above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in
between. By the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini
with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI
port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple electronic
components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a
monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct,
though, that there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took
away is the power lamp. The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red
LED power indicator on the front edge. The new ones don't.
  
  
  On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud
wrote:
  
  
I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie

  
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Re: new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

I had a dongle for my old Mac mini but I'm pretty sure it's not going to fit in this one. so what exactly do I need to order for this one?Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 30, 2023, at 7:16 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

  

  
  
Oh, I forgot, Anker makes great hubs. Their ten-port 65-watt hub
  is compact and has not only seven active powered USB 3 ports, but
  three more just for charging--i.e., not connected to the computer
  at the other end. I have two of these--one on my desk for various
  things connected to my own Mini, and one in my computing go-bag
  with lots of cables for when I go out on repair jobs and sometimes
  training.
3 

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  wrote:


  
  Lorie,
  
  
  If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has
two USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the
back just above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in
between. By the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini
with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI
port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple electronic
components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a
monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct,
though, that there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took
away is the power lamp. The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red
LED power indicator on the front edge. The new ones don't.
  
  
  On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud
wrote:
  
  
I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

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Re: new Mac Mini

[Steve Matzura]

Oh, I forgot, Anker makes great hubs. Their ten-port 65-watt hub is 
compact and has not only seven active powered USB 3 ports, but three 
more just for charging--i.e., not connected to the computer at the other 
end. I have two of these--one on my desk for various things connected to 
my own Mini, and one in my computing go-bag with lots of cables for when 
I go out on repair jobs and sometimes training.


3

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Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just 
above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the 
way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get 
yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five 
dollars. It's just a couple electronic components inside a can that 
make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged into it when there 
isn't one. You are correct, though, that there is no SD card slot. 
Another thing they took away is the power lamp. The Mini I got in 2012 
had a bright red LED power indicator on the front edge. The new ones 
don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: new Mac Mini

[Steve Matzura]

Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two USB-A 
ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just above the 
heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the way, if 
you're not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get yourself a 
Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five dollars. It's 
just a couple electronic components inside a can that make your Mini 
think there's a monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are 
correct, though, that there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took 
away is the power lamp. The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED 
power indicator on the front edge. The new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie


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new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
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Re: Reminder, how to move music library to new Mac?

[Herbie Allen]

In the past at least, it did transfer songs that it could not match. Y

> On Sep 1, 2023, at 18:30, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> That is not exactly correct.
> What iTunes Match does when you have music from CDs in your library, is it 
> tries to “match” the music from your CDs with music in the iTunes database.
> This does not mean that the music that is matched by iTunes Match is exactly 
> the same as the music from your CDs.
> The whole thing sounds great in principle, but it sometime just doesn’t work 
> out as expected.
> 
> The best thing you can do is try to follow Robert’s instructions, and 
> transfer your current music library and it’s associated data from your old 
> Mac, to your new Mac.
> 
> If you are not comfortable doing that, an alternative is to copy your music 
> folder from your old Mac to an external drive.  Then take each folder in your 
> old music folder, and copy it to the Automatically Add to Music folder on 
> your new Mac.
> This may be a bit time consuming, but it is guaranteed to transfer all your 
> existing music to your new Mac, while rebuilding your music library.
> 
> Unless your music library is really huge, you should be able to do this in 
> one evening.
> 
> HTH. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 1, 2023, at 18:02, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> Yes
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2023, at 16:36, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Does that work for music that originally came from CDs?
>> 
>> Traci
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2023, at 11:37 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use iTunes Match since it puts the library in the cloud. You do have to 
>>> pay, but it makes life so much easier.
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 1, 2023, at 10:15, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all, I am looking to upgrade my MacBook Air and will need to move my 
>>>> music library. Could you guys remind me on how I do this? I still have a 
>>>> lot of music that comes from CDs. You might have heard of them? Flat shiny 
>>>> discs. ;) 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, I appreciate it. Other than my music, I’m not worried about much 
>>>> else. Although, I’ll miss out on part of my Clean my Mac subscription. 
>>>> *frowns
>>>> 
>>>> Traci
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Re: Reminder, how to move music library to new Mac?

[Brad Snyder]

That is not exactly correct.
What iTunes Match does when you have music from CDs in your library, is it 
tries to “match” the music from your CDs with music in the iTunes database.
This does not mean that the music that is matched by iTunes Match is exactly 
the same as the music from your CDs.
The whole thing sounds great in principle, but it sometime just doesn’t work 
out as expected.

The best thing you can do is try to follow Robert’s instructions, and transfer 
your current music library and it’s associated data from your old Mac, to your 
new Mac.

If you are not comfortable doing that, an alternative is to copy your music 
folder from your old Mac to an external drive.  Then take each folder in your 
old music folder, and copy it to the Automatically Add to Music folder on your 
new Mac.
This may be a bit time consuming, but it is guaranteed to transfer all your 
existing music to your new Mac, while rebuilding your music library.

Unless your music library is really huge, you should be able to do this in one 
evening.

HTH. 

- Brad -



On Sep 1, 2023, at 18:02, Herbie Allen  wrote:

Yes

> On Sep 1, 2023, at 16:36, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Does that work for music that originally came from CDs?
> 
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2023, at 11:37 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> I use iTunes Match since it puts the library in the cloud. You do have to 
>> pay, but it makes life so much easier.
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2023, at 10:15, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, I am looking to upgrade my MacBook Air and will need to move my 
>>> music library. Could you guys remind me on how I do this? I still have a 
>>> lot of music that comes from CDs. You might have heard of them? Flat shiny 
>>> discs. ;) 
>>> 
>>> Thanks, I appreciate it. Other than my music, I’m not worried about much 
>>> else. Although, I’ll miss out on part of my Clean my Mac subscription. 
>>> *frowns
>>> 
>>> Traci
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Re: Reminder, how to move music library to new Mac?

[Herbie Allen]

Yes

> On Sep 1, 2023, at 16:36, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Does that work for music that originally came from CDs?
> 
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2023, at 11:37 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> I use iTunes Match since it puts the library in the cloud. You do have to 
>> pay, but it makes life so much easier.
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2023, at 10:15, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, I am looking to upgrade my MacBook Air and will need to move my 
>>> music library. Could you guys remind me on how I do this? I still have a 
>>> lot of music that comes from CDs. You might have heard of them? Flat shiny 
>>> discs. ;) 
>>> 
>>> Thanks, I appreciate it. Other than my music, I’m not worried about much 
>>> else. Although, I’ll miss out on part of my Clean my Mac subscription. 
>>> *frowns
>>> 
>>> Traci
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Re: Reminder, how to move music library to new Mac?

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
Copy the old Music folder containing all of your CD’s including Music 
Library.musiclibrary files to the new Mac replacing the new Music folder, or 
you can rename the new folder Music New.
Then once everything is working, you can delete the Music New folder.
Its been a few years since I had to do this.
If your music and playlists is not showing in the Music app, You may need to 
point it to the old database you copied to the new Mac.
For me the path is
User/Music/Music/Music Library.musiclibrary
I had some instructions saved if I can find them.
Rob



> On Sep 1, 2023, at 11:15 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Hi all, I am looking to upgrade my MacBook Air and will need to move my music 
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> 
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> Traci
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Re: Reminder, how to move music library to new Mac?

[Traci Duncan]

Does that work for music that originally came from CDs?

Traci


> On Sep 1, 2023, at 11:37 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> I use iTunes Match since it puts the library in the cloud. You do have to 
> pay, but it makes life so much easier.
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2023, at 10:15, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, I am looking to upgrade my MacBook Air and will need to move my 
>> music library. Could you guys remind me on how I do this? I still have a lot 
>> of music that comes from CDs. You might have heard of them? Flat shiny 
>> discs. ;) 
>> 
>> Thanks, I appreciate it. Other than my music, I’m not worried about much 
>> else. Although, I’ll miss out on part of my Clean my Mac subscription. 
>> *frowns
>> 
>> Traci
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Re: Reminder, how to move music library to new Mac?

[Herbie Allen]

I use iTunes Match since it puts the library in the cloud. You do have to pay, 
but it makes life so much easier.

> On Sep 1, 2023, at 10:15, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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Reminder, how to move music library to new Mac?

[Traci Duncan]

Hi all, I am looking to upgrade my MacBook Air and will need to move my music 
library. Could you guys remind me on how I do this? I still have a lot of music 
that comes from CDs. You might have heard of them? Flat shiny discs. ;) 

Thanks, I appreciate it. Other than my music, I’m not worried about much else. 
Although, I’ll miss out on part of my Clean my Mac subscription. *frowns

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Re: Preparing for a new Mac?

[Agent086B]

Hi,
I have read about this on this list in the past. However when I got my new 
silicon iMac I just used a previous Time Machine backup and all went perfectly.
Max.



> On 17 Jul 2023, at 01:28, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Whatever you do, do not attempt to setup your new Mac with Apple silicon, 
> from a Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac.
> The 2 Macs have different internal hardware, and different versions of the 
> macOS that are not compatible with one another.
> Everyone I know who has attempted setting up a new Apple silicon Mac from a 
> Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac, has rendered their new Apple silicon 
> Mac unusable, and has had to return it to Apple. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:09, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> Several things. Make sure you have access to all your passwords. Keychain is 
> a good way to go, but there are other ways. Back up all your files to cloud 
> storage, iCloud, Dropbox, etc. Don’t delete your old Mac until you are 
> satisfied you have everything on the new one.
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 09:22, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning all I am beginning to process of preparing for a new Mac. I 
>> currently have an Intel-based MacBook Pro 2020 I am waiting for the final 
>> shipping on a new MacBook Pro 14 inch M2. What things should I be doing to 
>> prepare other than the things that I’m already starting to do. One I am 
>> going through the list of the applications that I use to find out which 
>> applications were require versions that run under silicon. To beginning the 
>> process of switching back up media. Can’t use the old back up media because 
>> well quite frankly it’s too old. Is there anything I am missing?
>> Two notes, one my email is of a personal nature. Meaning talking about my 
>> personal computer. Nothing to do with the national Federation of the blind 
>> at all. To please be aware that I’m dictating with to my phone so here’s 
>> hoping that it’s understandable? Thanks and I look forward to everyone’s 
>> comments and suggestions. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone. 
>> Email, mmi...@mauricemines.org
>> text number 661-868-9647.
>> Fax no 661-449-3746.
>> 
>> 
>> President, National Federation of the blind Deafblind division.
>> Vice President national Federation of the blind of California Bakersfield 
>> chapter.
>> amateur radio, call sign, kd0iko.
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Re: Preparing for a new Mac?

[Matthew Janusauskas]

I also did this with no problems at all.


> On Jul 16, 2023, at 1:03 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oh, good! Very glad to hear it.  Thanks for letting me know.
> Donna
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 12:00 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes Donna I am sure, did it this year when I went from a stock mbp
>> 2023 to a custom mbp 2023. It was super smooth.
>> 
>> On 7/16/23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi Lenron,
>>> 
>>> Are you sure that reinstalling from a Time Machine backup when going from
>>> silicon to silicon works?  I’d love to go back to using Time Machine to do
>>> this.  It’s definitely the easiest way to migrate your content.  I just
>>> don’t ever want to go through all that headache again. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:33 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> going from a silicon to another works just fine. There is no way I am
>>>> going to start fresh every single time. My computer is setup as a
>>>> production system, and having to start from square one if nothing is
>>>> broken is not something I am trying to do.
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/16/23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> By way of contrast, I’ve always set up every new Mac from a Time-machine
>>>>> backup.  So that’s what I did when I got my Apple Silicon Mac.  It was a
>>>>> total nightmare!  I spent the better part of a week trying to get the
>>>>> new
>>>>> Mac up and running.  Most of that time I was in recovery mode, because
>>>>> that
>>>>> was the only thing I could access.  With lots of support from this list,
>>>>> I
>>>>> tried everything, including reinstalling the OS.  Nothing worked and
>>>>> eventually I gave up and returned it for a new Mac.  Even though next
>>>>> time
>>>>> I’ll be going from one silicon Mac to another, I don’t think I’ll ever
>>>>> restore from a Time Machine backup again.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:59 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Perhaps so.
>>>>>> I know of at least a half dozen who have attempted setting up a new
>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>> silicon Mac from a Time Machine backup of their Intel Mac, and everyone
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> them ended up with an unusable Mac that had to be returned to Apple.
>>>>>> I have never been in favor of setting up a new Mac from a Time Machine
>>>>>> backup, even in the Intel days.
>>>>>> I have always viewed setting up a new Mac as an opportunity for a fresh
>>>>>> start, that leaves behind all the clutter and miscellaneous garbage
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> had accumulated over time on my old Mac.
>>>>>> It is a bit more time consuming to start fresh, but I have always felt
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> effort was worthwhile.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:49, Sarah Massengale 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I did, and from what it sounds like, I might have gotten very lucky.
>>>>>> Sarah K Massengale
>>>>>> Certified Professional in Accessibility Core Competencies, CPACC
>>>>>> District 6 Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of South
>>>>>> Carolina
>>>>>> (803) 410-2735
>>>>>> skmasseng...@gmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Did you restore from a Time Machine backup of your Intel Mac?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:37, Sarah Massengale 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Just as a heads up I did restore my M1 Mac from an Intel based Mac.  I
>>>>>>> had know issue at a

Re: Preparing for a new Mac?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Oh, good! Very glad to hear it.  Thanks for letting me know.
Donna

> On Jul 16, 2023, at 12:00 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> Yes Donna I am sure, did it this year when I went from a stock mbp
> 2023 to a custom mbp 2023. It was super smooth.
> 
> On 7/16/23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>> Hi Lenron,
>> 
>> Are you sure that reinstalling from a Time Machine backup when going from
>> silicon to silicon works?  I’d love to go back to using Time Machine to do
>> this.  It’s definitely the easiest way to migrate your content.  I just
>> don’t ever want to go through all that headache again. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:33 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> going from a silicon to another works just fine. There is no way I am
>>> going to start fresh every single time. My computer is setup as a
>>> production system, and having to start from square one if nothing is
>>> broken is not something I am trying to do.
>>> 
>>> On 7/16/23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>>  wrote:
>>>> By way of contrast, I’ve always set up every new Mac from a Time-machine
>>>> backup.  So that’s what I did when I got my Apple Silicon Mac.  It was a
>>>> total nightmare!  I spent the better part of a week trying to get the
>>>> new
>>>> Mac up and running.  Most of that time I was in recovery mode, because
>>>> that
>>>> was the only thing I could access.  With lots of support from this list,
>>>> I
>>>> tried everything, including reinstalling the OS.  Nothing worked and
>>>> eventually I gave up and returned it for a new Mac.  Even though next
>>>> time
>>>> I’ll be going from one silicon Mac to another, I don’t think I’ll ever
>>>> restore from a Time Machine backup again.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:59 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Perhaps so.
>>>>> I know of at least a half dozen who have attempted setting up a new
>>>>> Apple
>>>>> silicon Mac from a Time Machine backup of their Intel Mac, and everyone
>>>>> of
>>>>> them ended up with an unusable Mac that had to be returned to Apple.
>>>>> I have never been in favor of setting up a new Mac from a Time Machine
>>>>> backup, even in the Intel days.
>>>>> I have always viewed setting up a new Mac as an opportunity for a fresh
>>>>> start, that leaves behind all the clutter and miscellaneous garbage
>>>>> that
>>>>> had accumulated over time on my old Mac.
>>>>> It is a bit more time consuming to start fresh, but I have always felt
>>>>> the
>>>>> effort was worthwhile.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:49, Sarah Massengale 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I did, and from what it sounds like, I might have gotten very lucky.
>>>>> Sarah K Massengale
>>>>> Certified Professional in Accessibility Core Competencies, CPACC
>>>>> District 6 Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of South
>>>>> Carolina
>>>>> (803) 410-2735
>>>>> skmasseng...@gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Did you restore from a Time Machine backup of your Intel Mac?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:37, Sarah Massengale 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just as a heads up I did restore my M1 Mac from an Intel based Mac.  I
>>>>>> had know issue at all with it, and the process was extremely quick.
>>>>>> Sarah K Massengale
>>>>>> Certified Professional in Accessibility Core Competencies, CPACC
>>>>>> District 6 Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of South
>>>>>> Carolina
>>>>>> (803) 410-2735
>>>>>> skmasseng...@gmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>

Re: Preparing for a new Mac?

[lenron brown]

Yes Donna I am sure, did it this year when I went from a stock mbp
2023 to a custom mbp 2023. It was super smooth.

On 7/16/23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Hi Lenron,
>
> Are you sure that reinstalling from a Time Machine backup when going from
> silicon to silicon works?  I’d love to go back to using Time Machine to do
> this.  It’s definitely the easiest way to migrate your content.  I just
> don’t ever want to go through all that headache again. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
>
>
>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:33 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
>>
>> going from a silicon to another works just fine. There is no way I am
>> going to start fresh every single time. My computer is setup as a
>> production system, and having to start from square one if nothing is
>> broken is not something I am trying to do.
>>
>> On 7/16/23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> By way of contrast, I’ve always set up every new Mac from a Time-machine
>>> backup.  So that’s what I did when I got my Apple Silicon Mac.  It was a
>>> total nightmare!  I spent the better part of a week trying to get the
>>> new
>>> Mac up and running.  Most of that time I was in recovery mode, because
>>> that
>>> was the only thing I could access.  With lots of support from this list,
>>> I
>>> tried everything, including reinstalling the OS.  Nothing worked and
>>> eventually I gave up and returned it for a new Mac.  Even though next
>>> time
>>> I’ll be going from one silicon Mac to another, I don’t think I’ll ever
>>> restore from a Time Machine backup again.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>
>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:59 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps so.
>>>> I know of at least a half dozen who have attempted setting up a new
>>>> Apple
>>>> silicon Mac from a Time Machine backup of their Intel Mac, and everyone
>>>> of
>>>> them ended up with an unusable Mac that had to be returned to Apple.
>>>> I have never been in favor of setting up a new Mac from a Time Machine
>>>> backup, even in the Intel days.
>>>> I have always viewed setting up a new Mac as an opportunity for a fresh
>>>> start, that leaves behind all the clutter and miscellaneous garbage
>>>> that
>>>> had accumulated over time on my old Mac.
>>>> It is a bit more time consuming to start fresh, but I have always felt
>>>> the
>>>> effort was worthwhile.
>>>>
>>>> - Brad -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:49, Sarah Massengale 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I did, and from what it sounds like, I might have gotten very lucky.
>>>> Sarah K Massengale
>>>> Certified Professional in Accessibility Core Competencies, CPACC
>>>> District 6 Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of South
>>>> Carolina
>>>> (803) 410-2735
>>>> skmasseng...@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you restore from a Time Machine backup of your Intel Mac?
>>>>>
>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:37, Sarah Massengale 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just as a heads up I did restore my M1 Mac from an Intel based Mac.  I
>>>>> had know issue at all with it, and the process was extremely quick.
>>>>> Sarah K Massengale
>>>>> Certified Professional in Accessibility Core Competencies, CPACC
>>>>> District 6 Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of South
>>>>> Carolina
>>>>> (803) 410-2735
>>>>> skmasseng...@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:28 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whatever you do, do not attempt to setup your new Mac with Apple
>>>>>> silicon, from a Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac.
>>>>>> The 2 Macs have different internal hardware, and different versions
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the macOS that are not compatible with one another.
>>>>>> Everyone I know who has attempted setting up a new Apple silicon Mac
>>>&

Re: Preparing for a new Mac?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Lenron,

Are you sure that reinstalling from a Time Machine backup when going from 
silicon to silicon works?  I’d love to go back to using Time Machine to do 
this.  It’s definitely the easiest way to migrate your content.  I just don’t 
ever want to go through all that headache again. :)
Cheers,
Donna



> On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:33 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> going from a silicon to another works just fine. There is no way I am
> going to start fresh every single time. My computer is setup as a
> production system, and having to start from square one if nothing is
> broken is not something I am trying to do.
> 
> On 7/16/23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>> By way of contrast, I’ve always set up every new Mac from a Time-machine
>> backup.  So that’s what I did when I got my Apple Silicon Mac.  It was a
>> total nightmare!  I spent the better part of a week trying to get the new
>> Mac up and running.  Most of that time I was in recovery mode, because that
>> was the only thing I could access.  With lots of support from this list, I
>> tried everything, including reinstalling the OS.  Nothing worked and
>> eventually I gave up and returned it for a new Mac.  Even though next time
>> I’ll be going from one silicon Mac to another, I don’t think I’ll ever
>> restore from a Time Machine backup again.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:59 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Perhaps so.
>>> I know of at least a half dozen who have attempted setting up a new Apple
>>> silicon Mac from a Time Machine backup of their Intel Mac, and everyone of
>>> them ended up with an unusable Mac that had to be returned to Apple.
>>> I have never been in favor of setting up a new Mac from a Time Machine
>>> backup, even in the Intel days.
>>> I have always viewed setting up a new Mac as an opportunity for a fresh
>>> start, that leaves behind all the clutter and miscellaneous garbage that
>>> had accumulated over time on my old Mac.
>>> It is a bit more time consuming to start fresh, but I have always felt the
>>> effort was worthwhile.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:49, Sarah Massengale 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I did, and from what it sounds like, I might have gotten very lucky.
>>> Sarah K Massengale
>>> Certified Professional in Accessibility Core Competencies, CPACC
>>> District 6 Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of South
>>> Carolina
>>> (803) 410-2735
>>> skmasseng...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Did you restore from a Time Machine backup of your Intel Mac?
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:37, Sarah Massengale 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Just as a heads up I did restore my M1 Mac from an Intel based Mac.  I
>>>> had know issue at all with it, and the process was extremely quick.
>>>> Sarah K Massengale
>>>> Certified Professional in Accessibility Core Competencies, CPACC
>>>> District 6 Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of South
>>>> Carolina
>>>> (803) 410-2735
>>>> skmasseng...@gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:28 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Whatever you do, do not attempt to setup your new Mac with Apple
>>>>> silicon, from a Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac.
>>>>> The 2 Macs have different internal hardware, and different versions of
>>>>> the macOS that are not compatible with one another.
>>>>> Everyone I know who has attempted setting up a new Apple silicon Mac
>>>>> from a Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac, has rendered their new
>>>>> Apple silicon Mac unusable, and has had to return it to Apple.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:09, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Several things. Make sure you have access to all your passwords.
>>>>> Keychain is a good way to go, but there are other ways. Back up all your
>>>>> files to cloud storage, iCloud, Dropbox, etc. Don’t delete your old Mac
>>>>> until you a

Re: Preparing for a new Mac?

[lenron brown]

going from a silicon to another works just fine. There is no way I am
going to start fresh every single time. My computer is setup as a
production system, and having to start from square one if nothing is
broken is not something I am trying to do.

On 7/16/23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> By way of contrast, I’ve always set up every new Mac from a Time-machine
> backup.  So that’s what I did when I got my Apple Silicon Mac.  It was a
> total nightmare!  I spent the better part of a week trying to get the new
> Mac up and running.  Most of that time I was in recovery mode, because that
> was the only thing I could access.  With lots of support from this list, I
> tried everything, including reinstalling the OS.  Nothing worked and
> eventually I gave up and returned it for a new Mac.  Even though next time
> I’ll be going from one silicon Mac to another, I don’t think I’ll ever
> restore from a Time Machine backup again.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:59 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps so.
>> I know of at least a half dozen who have attempted setting up a new Apple
>> silicon Mac from a Time Machine backup of their Intel Mac, and everyone of
>> them ended up with an unusable Mac that had to be returned to Apple.
>> I have never been in favor of setting up a new Mac from a Time Machine
>> backup, even in the Intel days.
>> I have always viewed setting up a new Mac as an opportunity for a fresh
>> start, that leaves behind all the clutter and miscellaneous garbage that
>> had accumulated over time on my old Mac.
>> It is a bit more time consuming to start fresh, but I have always felt the
>> effort was worthwhile.
>>
>> - Brad -
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:49, Sarah Massengale 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I did, and from what it sounds like, I might have gotten very lucky.
>> Sarah K Massengale
>> Certified Professional in Accessibility Core Competencies, CPACC
>> District 6 Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of South
>> Carolina
>> (803) 410-2735
>> skmasseng...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>
>>> Did you restore from a Time Machine backup of your Intel Mac?
>>>
>>> - Brad -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:37, Sarah Massengale 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just as a heads up I did restore my M1 Mac from an Intel based Mac.  I
>>> had know issue at all with it, and the process was extremely quick.
>>> Sarah K Massengale
>>> Certified Professional in Accessibility Core Competencies, CPACC
>>> District 6 Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of South
>>> Carolina
>>> (803) 410-2735
>>> skmasseng...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:28 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Whatever you do, do not attempt to setup your new Mac with Apple
>>>> silicon, from a Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac.
>>>> The 2 Macs have different internal hardware, and different versions of
>>>> the macOS that are not compatible with one another.
>>>> Everyone I know who has attempted setting up a new Apple silicon Mac
>>>> from a Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac, has rendered their new
>>>> Apple silicon Mac unusable, and has had to return it to Apple.
>>>>
>>>> - Brad -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:09, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Several things. Make sure you have access to all your passwords.
>>>> Keychain is a good way to go, but there are other ways. Back up all your
>>>> files to cloud storage, iCloud, Dropbox, etc. Don’t delete your old Mac
>>>> until you are satisfied you have everything on the new one.
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 09:22, Maurice A. Mines 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Good morning all I am beginning to process of preparing for a new Mac.
>>>>> I currently have an Intel-based MacBook Pro 2020 I am waiting for the
>>>>> final shipping on a new MacBook Pro 14 inch M2. What things should I be
>>>>> doing to prepare other than the things that I’m already starting to do.
>>>>> One I am going through the list of the applications that I use to find
>>>>> out which applications were require versions that run under silicon. To
>>>>> beginning the process of 

Re: Preparing for a new Mac?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

By way of contrast, I’ve always set up every new Mac from a Time-machine 
backup.  So that’s what I did when I got my Apple Silicon Mac.  It was a total 
nightmare!  I spent the better part of a week trying to get the new Mac up and 
running.  Most of that time I was in recovery mode, because that was the only 
thing I could access.  With lots of support from this list, I tried everything, 
including reinstalling the OS.  Nothing worked and eventually I gave up and 
returned it for a new Mac.  Even though next time I’ll be going from one 
silicon Mac to another, I don’t think I’ll ever restore from a Time Machine 
backup again.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:59 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Perhaps so.
> I know of at least a half dozen who have attempted setting up a new Apple 
> silicon Mac from a Time Machine backup of their Intel Mac, and everyone of 
> them ended up with an unusable Mac that had to be returned to Apple.
> I have never been in favor of setting up a new Mac from a Time Machine 
> backup, even in the Intel days.
> I have always viewed setting up a new Mac as an opportunity for a fresh 
> start, that leaves behind all the clutter and miscellaneous garbage that had 
> accumulated over time on my old Mac.
> It is a bit more time consuming to start fresh, but I have always felt the 
> effort was worthwhile.  
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:49, Sarah Massengale  wrote:
> 
> I did, and from what it sounds like, I might have gotten very lucky.
> Sarah K Massengale
> Certified Professional in Accessibility Core Competencies, CPACC
> District 6 Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina
> (803) 410-2735
> skmasseng...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Did you restore from a Time Machine backup of your Intel Mac?
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:37, Sarah Massengale  wrote:
>> 
>> Just as a heads up I did restore my M1 Mac from an Intel based Mac.  I had 
>> know issue at all with it, and the process was extremely quick.  
>> Sarah K Massengale
>> Certified Professional in Accessibility Core Competencies, CPACC
>> District 6 Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina
>> (803) 410-2735
>> skmasseng...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:28 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Whatever you do, do not attempt to setup your new Mac with Apple silicon, 
>>> from a Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac.
>>> The 2 Macs have different internal hardware, and different versions of the 
>>> macOS that are not compatible with one another.
>>> Everyone I know who has attempted setting up a new Apple silicon Mac from a 
>>> Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac, has rendered their new Apple silicon 
>>> Mac unusable, and has had to return it to Apple. 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:09, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Several things. Make sure you have access to all your passwords. Keychain 
>>> is a good way to go, but there are other ways. Back up all your files to 
>>> cloud storage, iCloud, Dropbox, etc. Don’t delete your old Mac until you 
>>> are satisfied you have everything on the new one.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 09:22, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Good morning all I am beginning to process of preparing for a new Mac. I 
>>>> currently have an Intel-based MacBook Pro 2020 I am waiting for the final 
>>>> shipping on a new MacBook Pro 14 inch M2. What things should I be doing to 
>>>> prepare other than the things that I’m already starting to do. One I am 
>>>> going through the list of the applications that I use to find out which 
>>>> applications were require versions that run under silicon. To beginning 
>>>> the process of switching back up media. Can’t use the old back up media 
>>>> because well quite frankly it’s too old. Is there anything I am missing?
>>>> Two notes, one my email is of a personal nature. Meaning talking about my 
>>>> personal computer. Nothing to do with the national Federation of the blind 
>>>> at all. To please be aware that I’m dictating with to my phone so here’s 
>>>> hoping that it’s understandable? Thanks and I look forward to everyone’s 
>>>> comments and suggestions. 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone. 
>>>> Email, mmi...@mauricemines.org
>>>> text number 661

Re: Preparing for a new Mac?

[Brad Snyder]

Perhaps so.
I know of at least a half dozen who have attempted setting up a new Apple 
silicon Mac from a Time Machine backup of their Intel Mac, and everyone of them 
ended up with an unusable Mac that had to be returned to Apple.
I have never been in favor of setting up a new Mac from a Time Machine backup, 
even in the Intel days.
I have always viewed setting up a new Mac as an opportunity for a fresh start, 
that leaves behind all the clutter and miscellaneous garbage that had 
accumulated over time on my old Mac.
It is a bit more time consuming to start fresh, but I have always felt the 
effort was worthwhile.  

- Brad -



On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:49, Sarah Massengale  wrote:

I did, and from what it sounds like, I might have gotten very lucky.
Sarah K Massengale
Certified Professional in Accessibility Core Competencies, CPACC
District 6 Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina
(803) 410-2735
skmasseng...@gmail.com




> On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Did you restore from a Time Machine backup of your Intel Mac?
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:37, Sarah Massengale  wrote:
> 
> Just as a heads up I did restore my M1 Mac from an Intel based Mac.  I had 
> know issue at all with it, and the process was extremely quick.  
> Sarah K Massengale
> Certified Professional in Accessibility Core Competencies, CPACC
> District 6 Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina
> (803) 410-2735
> skmasseng...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:28 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Whatever you do, do not attempt to setup your new Mac with Apple silicon, 
>> from a Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac.
>> The 2 Macs have different internal hardware, and different versions of the 
>> macOS that are not compatible with one another.
>> Everyone I know who has attempted setting up a new Apple silicon Mac from a 
>> Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac, has rendered their new Apple silicon 
>> Mac unusable, and has had to return it to Apple. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:09, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> Several things. Make sure you have access to all your passwords. Keychain is 
>> a good way to go, but there are other ways. Back up all your files to cloud 
>> storage, iCloud, Dropbox, etc. Don’t delete your old Mac until you are 
>> satisfied you have everything on the new one.
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 09:22, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning all I am beginning to process of preparing for a new Mac. I 
>>> currently have an Intel-based MacBook Pro 2020 I am waiting for the final 
>>> shipping on a new MacBook Pro 14 inch M2. What things should I be doing to 
>>> prepare other than the things that I’m already starting to do. One I am 
>>> going through the list of the applications that I use to find out which 
>>> applications were require versions that run under silicon. To beginning the 
>>> process of switching back up media. Can’t use the old back up media because 
>>> well quite frankly it’s too old. Is there anything I am missing?
>>> Two notes, one my email is of a personal nature. Meaning talking about my 
>>> personal computer. Nothing to do with the national Federation of the blind 
>>> at all. To please be aware that I’m dictating with to my phone so here’s 
>>> hoping that it’s understandable? Thanks and I look forward to everyone’s 
>>> comments and suggestions. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone. 
>>> Email, mmi...@mauricemines.org
>>> text number 661-868-9647.
>>> Fax no 661-449-3746.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> President, National Federation of the blind Deafblind division.
>>> Vice President national Federation of the blind of California Bakersfield 
>>> chapter.
>>> amateur radio, call sign, kd0iko.
>>> 
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>>

Re: Preparing for a new Mac?

[Sarah Massengale]

I did, and from what it sounds like, I might have gotten very lucky.
Sarah K Massengale
Certified Professional in Accessibility Core Competencies, CPACC
District 6 Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina
(803) 410-2735
skmasseng...@gmail.com




> On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Did you restore from a Time Machine backup of your Intel Mac?
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:37, Sarah Massengale  wrote:
> 
> Just as a heads up I did restore my M1 Mac from an Intel based Mac.  I had 
> know issue at all with it, and the process was extremely quick.  
> Sarah K Massengale
> Certified Professional in Accessibility Core Competencies, CPACC
> District 6 Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina
> (803) 410-2735
> skmasseng...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:28 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Whatever you do, do not attempt to setup your new Mac with Apple silicon, 
>> from a Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac.
>> The 2 Macs have different internal hardware, and different versions of the 
>> macOS that are not compatible with one another.
>> Everyone I know who has attempted setting up a new Apple silicon Mac from a 
>> Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac, has rendered their new Apple silicon 
>> Mac unusable, and has had to return it to Apple. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:09, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> Several things. Make sure you have access to all your passwords. Keychain is 
>> a good way to go, but there are other ways. Back up all your files to cloud 
>> storage, iCloud, Dropbox, etc. Don’t delete your old Mac until you are 
>> satisfied you have everything on the new one.
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 09:22, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning all I am beginning to process of preparing for a new Mac. I 
>>> currently have an Intel-based MacBook Pro 2020 I am waiting for the final 
>>> shipping on a new MacBook Pro 14 inch M2. What things should I be doing to 
>>> prepare other than the things that I’m already starting to do. One I am 
>>> going through the list of the applications that I use to find out which 
>>> applications were require versions that run under silicon. To beginning the 
>>> process of switching back up media. Can’t use the old back up media because 
>>> well quite frankly it’s too old. Is there anything I am missing?
>>> Two notes, one my email is of a personal nature. Meaning talking about my 
>>> personal computer. Nothing to do with the national Federation of the blind 
>>> at all. To please be aware that I’m dictating with to my phone so here’s 
>>> hoping that it’s understandable? Thanks and I look forward to everyone’s 
>>> comments and suggestions. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone. 
>>> Email, mmi...@mauricemines.org
>>> text number 661-868-9647.
>>> Fax no 661-449-3746.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> President, National Federation of the blind Deafblind division.
>>> Vice President national Federation of the blind of California Bakersfield 
>>> chapter.
>>> amateur radio, call sign, kd0iko.
>>> 
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Re: Preparing for a new Mac?

[Brad Snyder]

Did you restore from a Time Machine backup of your Intel Mac?

- Brad -



On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:37, Sarah Massengale  wrote:

Just as a heads up I did restore my M1 Mac from an Intel based Mac.  I had know 
issue at all with it, and the process was extremely quick.  
Sarah K Massengale
Certified Professional in Accessibility Core Competencies, CPACC
District 6 Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina
(803) 410-2735
skmasseng...@gmail.com




> On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:28 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Whatever you do, do not attempt to setup your new Mac with Apple silicon, 
> from a Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac.
> The 2 Macs have different internal hardware, and different versions of the 
> macOS that are not compatible with one another.
> Everyone I know who has attempted setting up a new Apple silicon Mac from a 
> Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac, has rendered their new Apple silicon 
> Mac unusable, and has had to return it to Apple. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:09, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> Several things. Make sure you have access to all your passwords. Keychain is 
> a good way to go, but there are other ways. Back up all your files to cloud 
> storage, iCloud, Dropbox, etc. Don’t delete your old Mac until you are 
> satisfied you have everything on the new one.
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 09:22, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning all I am beginning to process of preparing for a new Mac. I 
>> currently have an Intel-based MacBook Pro 2020 I am waiting for the final 
>> shipping on a new MacBook Pro 14 inch M2. What things should I be doing to 
>> prepare other than the things that I’m already starting to do. One I am 
>> going through the list of the applications that I use to find out which 
>> applications were require versions that run under silicon. To beginning the 
>> process of switching back up media. Can’t use the old back up media because 
>> well quite frankly it’s too old. Is there anything I am missing?
>> Two notes, one my email is of a personal nature. Meaning talking about my 
>> personal computer. Nothing to do with the national Federation of the blind 
>> at all. To please be aware that I’m dictating with to my phone so here’s 
>> hoping that it’s understandable? Thanks and I look forward to everyone’s 
>> comments and suggestions. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone. 
>> Email, mmi...@mauricemines.org
>> text number 661-868-9647.
>> Fax no 661-449-3746.
>> 
>> 
>> President, National Federation of the blind Deafblind division.
>> Vice President national Federation of the blind of California Bakersfield 
>> chapter.
>> amateur radio, call sign, kd0iko.
>> 
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Re: Preparing for a new Mac?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I have to second this!!!  I am one of those who rendered an M1 Mac unusable, 
and had to return it.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:28 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Whatever you do, do not attempt to setup your new Mac with Apple silicon, 
> from a Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac.
> The 2 Macs have different internal hardware, and different versions of the 
> macOS that are not compatible with one another.
> Everyone I know who has attempted setting up a new Apple silicon Mac from a 
> Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac, has rendered their new Apple silicon 
> Mac unusable, and has had to return it to Apple. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:09, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> Several things. Make sure you have access to all your passwords. Keychain is 
> a good way to go, but there are other ways. Back up all your files to cloud 
> storage, iCloud, Dropbox, etc. Don’t delete your old Mac until you are 
> satisfied you have everything on the new one.
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 09:22, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning all I am beginning to process of preparing for a new Mac. I 
>> currently have an Intel-based MacBook Pro 2020 I am waiting for the final 
>> shipping on a new MacBook Pro 14 inch M2. What things should I be doing to 
>> prepare other than the things that I’m already starting to do. One I am 
>> going through the list of the applications that I use to find out which 
>> applications were require versions that run under silicon. To beginning the 
>> process of switching back up media. Can’t use the old back up media because 
>> well quite frankly it’s too old. Is there anything I am missing?
>> Two notes, one my email is of a personal nature. Meaning talking about my 
>> personal computer. Nothing to do with the national Federation of the blind 
>> at all. To please be aware that I’m dictating with to my phone so here’s 
>> hoping that it’s understandable? Thanks and I look forward to everyone’s 
>> comments and suggestions. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone. 
>> Email, mmi...@mauricemines.org
>> text number 661-868-9647.
>> Fax no 661-449-3746.
>> 
>> 
>> President, National Federation of the blind Deafblind division.
>> Vice President national Federation of the blind of California Bakersfield 
>> chapter.
>> amateur radio, call sign, kd0iko.
>> 
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Re: Preparing for a new Mac?

[Sarah Massengale]

Just as a heads up I did restore my M1 Mac from an Intel based Mac.  I had know 
issue at all with it, and the process was extremely quick.  
Sarah K Massengale
Certified Professional in Accessibility Core Competencies, CPACC
District 6 Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina
(803) 410-2735
skmasseng...@gmail.com




> On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:28 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Whatever you do, do not attempt to setup your new Mac with Apple silicon, 
> from a Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac.
> The 2 Macs have different internal hardware, and different versions of the 
> macOS that are not compatible with one another.
> Everyone I know who has attempted setting up a new Apple silicon Mac from a 
> Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac, has rendered their new Apple silicon 
> Mac unusable, and has had to return it to Apple. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:09, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> Several things. Make sure you have access to all your passwords. Keychain is 
> a good way to go, but there are other ways. Back up all your files to cloud 
> storage, iCloud, Dropbox, etc. Don’t delete your old Mac until you are 
> satisfied you have everything on the new one.
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 09:22, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning all I am beginning to process of preparing for a new Mac. I 
>> currently have an Intel-based MacBook Pro 2020 I am waiting for the final 
>> shipping on a new MacBook Pro 14 inch M2. What things should I be doing to 
>> prepare other than the things that I’m already starting to do. One I am 
>> going through the list of the applications that I use to find out which 
>> applications were require versions that run under silicon. To beginning the 
>> process of switching back up media. Can’t use the old back up media because 
>> well quite frankly it’s too old. Is there anything I am missing?
>> Two notes, one my email is of a personal nature. Meaning talking about my 
>> personal computer. Nothing to do with the national Federation of the blind 
>> at all. To please be aware that I’m dictating with to my phone so here’s 
>> hoping that it’s understandable? Thanks and I look forward to everyone’s 
>> comments and suggestions. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone. 
>> Email, mmi...@mauricemines.org
>> text number 661-868-9647.
>> Fax no 661-449-3746.
>> 
>> 
>> President, National Federation of the blind Deafblind division.
>> Vice President national Federation of the blind of California Bakersfield 
>> chapter.
>> amateur radio, call sign, kd0iko.
>> 
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Re: Preparing for a new Mac?

[Brad Snyder]

Whatever you do, do not attempt to setup your new Mac with Apple silicon, from 
a Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac.
The 2 Macs have different internal hardware, and different versions of the 
macOS that are not compatible with one another.
Everyone I know who has attempted setting up a new Apple silicon Mac from a 
Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac, has rendered their new Apple silicon Mac 
unusable, and has had to return it to Apple. 

- Brad -



On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:09, Herbie Allen  wrote:

Several things. Make sure you have access to all your passwords. Keychain is a 
good way to go, but there are other ways. Back up all your files to cloud 
storage, iCloud, Dropbox, etc. Don’t delete your old Mac until you are 
satisfied you have everything on the new one.

> On Jul 16, 2023, at 09:22, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
> 
> Good morning all I am beginning to process of preparing for a new Mac. I 
> currently have an Intel-based MacBook Pro 2020 I am waiting for the final 
> shipping on a new MacBook Pro 14 inch M2. What things should I be doing to 
> prepare other than the things that I’m already starting to do. One I am going 
> through the list of the applications that I use to find out which 
> applications were require versions that run under silicon. To beginning the 
> process of switching back up media. Can’t use the old back up media because 
> well quite frankly it’s too old. Is there anything I am missing?
> Two notes, one my email is of a personal nature. Meaning talking about my 
> personal computer. Nothing to do with the national Federation of the blind at 
> all. To please be aware that I’m dictating with to my phone so here’s hoping 
> that it’s understandable? Thanks and I look forward to everyone’s comments 
> and suggestions. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. 
> Email, mmi...@mauricemines.org
> text number 661-868-9647.
> Fax no 661-449-3746.
> 
> 
> President, National Federation of the blind Deafblind division.
> Vice President national Federation of the blind of California Bakersfield 
> chapter.
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Re: Preparing for a new Mac?

[Herbie Allen]

Several things. Make sure you have access to all your passwords. Keychain is a 
good way to go, but there are other ways. Back up all your files to cloud 
storage, iCloud, Dropbox, etc. Don’t delete your old Mac until you are 
satisfied you have everything on the new one.

> On Jul 16, 2023, at 09:22, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
> 
> Good morning all I am beginning to process of preparing for a new Mac. I 
> currently have an Intel-based MacBook Pro 2020 I am waiting for the final 
> shipping on a new MacBook Pro 14 inch M2. What things should I be doing to 
> prepare other than the things that I’m already starting to do. One I am going 
> through the list of the applications that I use to find out which 
> applications were require versions that run under silicon. To beginning the 
> process of switching back up media. Can’t use the old back up media because 
> well quite frankly it’s too old. Is there anything I am missing?
> Two notes, one my email is of a personal nature. Meaning talking about my 
> personal computer. Nothing to do with the national Federation of the blind at 
> all. To please be aware that I’m dictating with to my phone so here’s hoping 
> that it’s understandable? Thanks and I look forward to everyone’s comments 
> and suggestions. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. 
> Email, mmi...@mauricemines.org
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Preparing for a new Mac?

[Maurice A. Mines]

Good morning all I am beginning to process of preparing for a new Mac. I 
currently have an Intel-based MacBook Pro 2020 I am waiting for the final 
shipping on a new MacBook Pro 14 inch M2. What things should I be doing to 
prepare other than the things that I’m already starting to do. One I am going 
through the list of the applications that I use to find out which applications 
were require versions that run under silicon. To beginning the process of 
switching back up media. Can’t use the old back up media because well quite 
frankly it’s too old. Is there anything I am missing?
Two notes, one my email is of a personal nature. Meaning talking about my 
personal computer. Nothing to do with the national Federation of the blind at 
all. To please be aware that I’m dictating with to my phone so here’s hoping 
that it’s understandable? Thanks and I look forward to everyone’s comments and 
suggestions. 

Sent from my iPhone. 
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Fax no 661-449-3746.


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Re: navigating the app store on my new Mac

[Herbie Allen]

Nothing, that thing has gone through an interface change.

> On Jan 24, 2023, at 16:32, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
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> Hi there,
> 
> I have now upgraded to Ventura 13.2.
> 
> Navigating the app store on my new 2017 Mac is a living nightmare.  I can 
> search for an app I want and see the results, but, no matter how I try I 
> cannot seem to read any information about the chosen app I’m considering.  If 
> I press VO+space on the app, it seems I select the get button.  If I try to 
> interact with the choice I want, I see nothing.  What am I missing here?
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
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> Still a very proud Mac, Xfinity Mobile and Apple TV user
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navigating the app store on my new Mac

[Raymond Foret Jr]

Hi there,

I have now upgraded to Ventura 13.2.

Navigating the app store on my new 2017 Mac is a living nightmare.  I can 
search for an app I want and see the results, but, no matter how I try I cannot 
seem to read any information about the chosen app I’m considering.  If I press 
VO+space on the app, it seems I select the get button.  If I try to interact 
with the choice I want, I see nothing.  What am I missing here?


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud Mac, Xfinity Mobile and Apple TV user

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Re: Transferring files from Time Machine to a new Mac

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

On 8/1/23 10:57, Kathryn Zodrow wrote:

I know the new Mac has a USB C port and my older Mac just has a regular USB 
port that I use to plug in my backup disk for time machine. Should I get a USB 
to USB C adapter for the backup disk before I transfer over files or back 
everything up wirelessly?


I bought a couple of USB-C to USB-A adapters with my 14-inch MacBook Pro.

If you have devices that need USB type A, then buying as many adapters 
as you think you'll need would be prudent.


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Re: Transferring files from Time Machine to a new Mac

[Kathryn Zodrow]

Hi Donna.
Thanks for the info. That sounds great. I know the new Mac has a USB C port and 
my older Mac just has a regular USB port that I use to plug in my backup disk 
for time machine. Should I get a USB to USB C adapter for the backup disk 
before I transfer over files or back everything up wirelessly?

Katie



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> On Jan 7, 2023, at 2:29 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Katie,
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> This is actually pretty straight forward.  I can’t remember exactly when, but 
> at some point in the setup process, you will be prompted to transfer files.  
> If memory serves—it’s been a couple of years since I last did this—you will 
> have two options: transfer wirelessly from your Mac, and restore from backup 
> disk.  If you have a backup disk, I would choose the latter. Then just follow 
> the prompts.
> 
> Sorry I can’t be more specific, but I don’t think you’ll have any trouble.
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 7, 2023, at 3:38 PM, Kathryn Zodrow  wrote:
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>> Hi everyone.
>> Happy New Year!! :-) Well, I’ve had a great start to 2023 so far. My 
>> birthday was on Thursday a couple days ago and I finally got a new Mac for 
>> one of my birthday gifts!!!  I have been using OS X El Capitan on my older 
>> Mac and the dropbox app wasn’t going to work on my older computer much 
>> longer. I got an alert saying it wasn’t supported today when I started my 
>> old computer, so that was perfect timing! I was really excited when I got 
>> the new computer! It’s a Macbook Air  with the M2 chip, and I think it has 
>> OS Ventura installed on it. I am going to try setting it up today after I 
>> have  lunch. I haven’t done that with voiceover before. Is it pretty 
>> straightforward to set up a new computer using voiceover? I was wondering 
>> how do I transfer my data from Time Machine on my old Mac to the new one? I 
>> have just used Time Machine to back up my files, and have not restored from 
>> a back up or transferred files  before.
>> Thanks.
>> Katie
>> 
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Re: Transferring files from Time Machine to a new Mac

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Katie,

This is actually pretty straight forward.  I can’t remember exactly when, but 
at some point in the setup process, you will be prompted to transfer files.  If 
memory serves—it’s been a couple of years since I last did this—you will have 
two options: transfer wirelessly from your Mac, and restore from backup disk.  
If you have a backup disk, I would choose the latter. Then just follow the 
prompts.

Sorry I can’t be more specific, but I don’t think you’ll have any trouble.

Cheers,
Donna


> On Jan 7, 2023, at 3:38 PM, Kathryn Zodrow  wrote:
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> Hi everyone.
> Happy New Year!! :-) Well, I’ve had a great start to 2023 so far. My birthday 
> was on Thursday a couple days ago and I finally got a new Mac for one of my 
> birthday gifts!!!  I have been using OS X El Capitan on my older Mac and 
> the dropbox app wasn’t going to work on my older computer much longer. I got 
> an alert saying it wasn’t supported today when I started my old computer, so 
> that was perfect timing! I was really excited when I got the new computer! 
> It’s a Macbook Air  with the M2 chip, and I think it has OS Ventura installed 
> on it. I am going to try setting it up today after I have  lunch. I haven’t 
> done that with voiceover before. Is it pretty straightforward to set up a new 
> computer using voiceover? I was wondering how do I transfer my data from Time 
> Machine on my old Mac to the new one? I have just used Time Machine to back 
> up my files, and have not restored from a back up or transferred files  
> before.
> Thanks.
> Katie
> 
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Transferring files from Time Machine to a new Mac

[Kathryn Zodrow]

Hi everyone.
Happy New Year!! :-) Well, I’ve had a great start to 2023 so far. My birthday 
was on Thursday a couple days ago and I finally got a new Mac for one of my 
birthday gifts!!!  I have been using OS X El Capitan on my older Mac and the 
dropbox app wasn’t going to work on my older computer much longer. I got an 
alert saying it wasn’t supported today when I started my old computer, so that 
was perfect timing! I was really excited when I got the new computer! It’s a 
Macbook Air  with the M2 chip, and I think it has OS Ventura installed on it. I 
am going to try setting it up today after I have  lunch. I haven’t done that 
with voiceover before. Is it pretty straightforward to set up a new computer 
using voiceover? I was wondering how do I transfer my data from Time Machine on 
my old Mac to the new one? I have just used Time Machine to back up my files, 
and have not restored from a back up or transferred files  before.
Thanks.
Katie


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Re: some weirdnesses on my new Mac

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, since Catalina MacOS has two APFS volumes for the system disk, one that 
is read only and has the operating system essential components and another that 
has data that will change.
Actually, looking at disk utility the volume that does not have “data” in the 
name has a snapshot in it so it could be that I am backward.
But MacOs does some auto mount magic to merge the readonly Applications folder 
with the editable Applications folder.
I have seen system messages like that from drop box in the past.  Are you using 
drop box? If so, then you can turn off drop box notifications, but I don’t 
remember exactly how.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 6, 2022, at 10:52 PM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
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> Okay,
> 
> I am noticing two occurances of my main hard drive on my Mac.  I can’t seem 
> to get rid of what appears to be a duplicate drive.
> 
> Second, I’m noticing system dialogs which always appear to be empty are 
> precent when I press VO+F1.  No matter what I do, I can’t seem to get rid of 
> them.
> 
> Any thoughts?  I’m using Ventura, the latest updates.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud Mac, Xfinity Mobile and Apple TV user
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some weirdnesses on my new Mac

[Raymond Foret Jr]

Okay,

I am noticing two occurances of my main hard drive on my Mac.  I can’t seem to 
get rid of what appears to be a duplicate drive.

Second, I’m noticing system dialogs which always appear to be empty are precent 
when I press VO+F1.  No matter what I do, I can’t seem to get rid of them.

Any thoughts?  I’m using Ventura, the latest updates.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud Mac, Xfinity Mobile and Apple TV user

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Odd bluetooth headphone issue on my new Mac.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I have a strange issue which I really don’t know why?
When I had my MacBook Air I had no issue with the AirPods Max. 
I could move around in my apartment with no issue.
Now I sometimes have issues in my kitchen where the sound starts coming 
intermittently to the AirPods Max.
The Mac mini stands at the exact same place as my MacBook Air.

Is the bluetooth transmitter put in another place on the Mac mini M1?
Any ideas?
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Re: Setting up new Mac mini with VoiceOver.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
OK, don’t listen to soccer during a Mac setup.
I forgot that there’s a fn key on keyboards which was the issue.
Now I have to just see what I can do to move things to the new Mac from the old 
one.
/A

> 20 okt. 2022 kl. 19:35 skrev Anders Holmberg :
> 
> Hi!
> It was quite long ago I did set up a new Mac so I thought it should be pretty 
> straight forward.
> However I have selected my main language and been told to press command f5 to 
> set Vo Up.
> Pressing vo f5 does nothing on my Mac mini which makes me worried.
> But you all use to say this should work so I trust you all.
> /A
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Setting up new Mac mini with VoiceOver.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
It was quite long ago I did set up a new Mac so I thought it should be pretty 
straight forward.
However I have selected my main language and been told to press command f5 to 
set Vo Up.
Pressing vo f5 does nothing on my Mac mini which makes me worried.
But you all use to say this should work so I trust you all.
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Re: internet almost useless to me on Mac now and upgrading to a new Mac

[Herbie Allen]

If possible I would go with the newer Mac models. If you just use it for basic 
stuff then you are probably fine with the Air.

> On Apr 18, 2022, at 16:49, Kathryn Zodrow  wrote:
> 
> Yep, I’d say your best alternative is using a smart phone for browsing the 
> Internet. There’s some sites I can use on my Mac, but other ones Safari  
> won’t let me open because my computer is too old. I’ve been using a late 2008 
> white MacBook running El Capitan and will need to upgrade to a new Mac soon. 
> Do any of you have any suggestions for what Mac I should upgrade to next?
> Thanks.
> Katie
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 18, 2022, at 1:46 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> At this point, your  smart phone is probably going to be more helpful if 
>> you have one. 
>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2022, at 15:30, Raymond Foret Jr >> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay,  Until I can get a new Mac somehow, does anybody out there know of a 
>>> good more text based browser that I can actually use with El Capitain?  I 
>>> know, that’s old but it’s all I’ve got now because this old Mac (a mid 2009 
>>> moddel) will not support anything more recent.  So, I figured that if 
>>> Safari is getting less and less useful to me, and Crome is not much better 
>>> now, is there any alternative that I might try?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>>> blind:
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> The constantly barefooted Ray
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Re: internet almost useless to me on Mac now and upgrading to a new Mac

[Kathryn Zodrow]

Yep, I’d say your best alternative is using a smart phone for browsing the 
Internet. There’s some sites I can use on my Mac, but other ones Safari  won’t 
let me open because my computer is too old. I’ve been using a late 2008 white 
MacBook running El Capitan and will need to upgrade to a new Mac soon. Do any 
of you have any suggestions for what Mac I should upgrade to next?
Thanks.
Katie


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2022, at 1:46 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> At this point, your  smart phone is probably going to be more helpful if you 
> have one. 
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2022, at 15:30, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Okay,  Until I can get a new Mac somehow, does anybody out there know of a 
>> good more text based browser that I can actually use with El Capitain?  I 
>> know, that’s old but it’s all I’ve got now because this old Mac (a mid 2009 
>> moddel) will not support anything more recent.  So, I figured that if Safari 
>> is getting less and less useful to me, and Crome is not much better now, is 
>> there any alternative that I might try?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>> blind:
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> The constantly barefooted Ray
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Re: A couple of question after getting a new Mac Air

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Technically, Brad is correct of course.  Also, technically, Christine did not 
specifically want to work in Word, or .DOCX format, but wanted to be able to 
Save/Export to a .DOCX format.  TextEdit and Pages will do both.  Now, each of 
those will open the Word/.DOCX formatted document within their own respective 
word processor, and you, as Brad aptly said, will be working in either TextEdit 
or Pages, not Word.  Again, you’ll work in TextEdit/Pages and have to export to 
Word format when you want to share it with another who only has access to Word. 
 Essentially, the only way you can work in Word format, is to actually do 
exactly that, work in Word.

For Pages and Word, you can work both on-line or off-line.  Word however, is a 
subscription based model unless you are a student or faculty of an educational 
institution

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/free-microsoft-office-yes-you-can-get-word-excel-and-powerpoint-at-no-cost/
 
<https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/free-microsoft-office-yes-you-can-get-word-excel-and-powerpoint-at-no-cost/>

So, with all this in mind, considering the parameters you outlined in your 
original post, Pages is your best bet if you  prefer free, but Othe Office 365 
family edition might work for you as well if you do not wish the need to export 
to Word whenever you wish to share the document with a non-Pages user.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jan 13, 2022, at 17:44, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Pages does not allow you to work in a .DOC  or .DOCX format. You can export 
> your final product to a MS word format, but that's not at all the same thing 
> as being able to work in one of those formats.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jan 13, 2022, at 17:50, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think Pages would be your best bet, and it is free on IOS and the mac.
>  
> From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 6:44 PM
> To: Mac Users Group 
> Subject: Re: A couple of question after getting a new Mac Air
>  
> In terms of a word processor, I’d like something that will allow me to save 
> files in in .docx format. I’m also not interested in one of those 
> subscription-based word processors where you pay for it by the month. I’m 
> happy to pay for something that will meet my needs, but I’d prefer a one-time 
> payment rather than paying by the month or year. Lastly, I’d rather not use a 
> processor that requires an internet connection. I generally prefer to do my 
> writing offline.
> 
> As far as that Google prompt goes, google mail is working without issue. I 
> followed those instructions in system preferences, but once I get to internet 
> accounts, it shows the account is logged in. It’s almost like that 
> notification comes up without actually needing to, like it hasn’t cleared or 
> something.
> 
> Thank you in advance for any insight you might have.
>  
> Kristeen
> 
> 
> On Jan 13, 2022, at 10:40 AM, Jonathan Cohn  <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Concerning editors, a word count is something that can be easily added via a 
> script, so what other features are you looking for in a text editor? There 
> are several around from Emacs to nisus Pro <https://www.nisus.com/pro/>. 
> Also, if you look for something in the App Store it is harder to use than in 
> earlier MacOS systems, but tends to have quite a few things. . One could even 
> get Microsoft Word, but I find it more difficult than pages to work with.
> In terms of the Google   prompt, is  Google mail working? I would suggest 
> either logging out or force quitting System Preferences. What should happen 
> is:
> 1. You click on the Google account in System Preferences Internet Accounts.
> 2. A prompt comes up saying you need to enter the information in a Browser 
> window.
> 3. You click the OK, proceed or whatever the button is there.
> 4. Safari opens in a private browsing window and you enter your Google 
> credentials.
> 5. At this point the prompt to open a browser to enter the password should be 
> gone.
>  
>          Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2022, at 20:16, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> After getting a new Mac Air and setting it up, my partner has a couple of 
> minor issues.
> First of all, what are people using as a simple text editor that has a few 
> more features than Text Edit, such as being able to get a word count, but is 
> not as complex as Pages? iText Express was her go-to editor, but it does not 
> work with the new Air and/or O

Re: A couple of question after getting a new Mac Air

[Brad Snyder]

They do not.

- Brad -

On Jan 13, 2022, at 18:47, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:


I have Office 365 and can use it on the Mac.
I do not know if Libra Office or Open Office works on the Mac.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 7:45 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A couple of question after getting a new Mac Air
 
Pages does not allow you to work in a .DOC  or .DOCX format. You can export 
your final product to a MS word format, but that's not at all the same thing as 
being able to work in one of those formats.

- Brad -

On Jan 13, 2022, at 17:50, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:


I think Pages would be your best bet, and it is free on IOS and the mac.
 
From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 6:44 PM
To: Mac Users Group 
Subject: Re: A couple of question after getting a new Mac Air
 
In terms of a word processor, I’d like something that will allow me to save 
files in in .docx format. I’m also not interested in one of those 
subscription-based word processors where you pay for it by the month. I’m happy 
to pay for something that will meet my needs, but I’d prefer a one-time payment 
rather than paying by the month or year. Lastly, I’d rather not use a processor 
that requires an internet connection. I generally prefer to do my writing 
offline.

As far as that Google prompt goes, google mail is working without issue. I 
followed those instructions in system preferences, but once I get to internet 
accounts, it shows the account is logged in. It’s almost like that notification 
comes up without actually needing to, like it hasn’t cleared or something.

Thank you in advance for any insight you might have.
 
Kristeen



On Jan 13, 2022, at 10:40 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
 
Concerning editors, a word count is something that can be easily added via a 
script, so what other features are you looking for in a text editor? There are 
several around from Emacs to nisus Pro. Also, if you look for something in the 
App Store it is harder to use than in earlier MacOS systems, but tends to have 
quite a few things. . One could even get Microsoft Word, but I find it more 
difficult than pages to work with.
In terms of the Google   prompt, is  Google mail working? I would suggest 
either logging out or force quitting System Preferences. What should happen is:
1. You click on the Google account in System Preferences Internet Accounts.
2. A prompt comes up saying you need to enter the information in a Browser 
window.
3. You click the OK, proceed or whatever the button is there.
4. Safari opens in a private browsing window and you enter your Google 
credentials.
5. At this point the prompt to open a browser to enter the password should be 
gone.
 
 Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn






On Jan 12, 2022, at 20:16, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:
 
After getting a new Mac Air and setting it up, my partner has a couple of minor 
issues.
First of all, what are people using as a simple text editor that has a few more 
features than Text Edit, such as being able to get a word count, but is not as 
complex as Pages? iText Express was her go-to editor, but it does not work with 
the new Air and/or OS.

Also, she can’t get rid of the Google login screen. The computer is logged into 
the Google account, but the request to log in with the username and password 
will not go away. Any thoughts would be appreciated. She did try going back 
into System Preferences and to Internet accounts and attempt to log back in, 
but it is not letting her do this.

Kristeen

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RE: A couple of question after getting a new Mac Air

[Rebecca Skipper]

I have Office 365 and can use it on the Mac.

I do not know if Libra Office or Open Office works on the Mac.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 7:45 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A couple of question after getting a new Mac Air

 

Pages does not allow you to work in a .DOC  or .DOCX format. You can export 
your final product to a MS word format, but that's not at all the same thing as 
being able to work in one of those formats.

- Brad -


On Jan 13, 2022, at 17:50, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I think Pages would be your best bet, and it is free on IOS and the mac.

 

From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 6:44 PM
To: Mac Users Group mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: A couple of question after getting a new Mac Air

 

In terms of a word processor, I’d like something that will allow me to save 
files in in .docx format. I’m also not interested in one of those 
subscription-based word processors where you pay for it by the month. I’m happy 
to pay for something that will meet my needs, but I’d prefer a one-time payment 
rather than paying by the month or year. Lastly, I’d rather not use a processor 
that requires an internet connection. I generally prefer to do my writing 
offline.

As far as that Google prompt goes, google mail is working without issue. I 
followed those instructions in system preferences, but once I get to internet 
accounts, it shows the account is logged in. It’s almost like that notification 
comes up without actually needing to, like it hasn’t cleared or something.

Thank you in advance for any insight you might have.

 

Kristeen






On Jan 13, 2022, at 10:40 AM, Jonathan Cohn mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Concerning editors, a word count is something that can be easily added via a 
script, so what other features are you looking for in a text editor? There are 
several around from Emacs to nisus Pro <https://www.nisus.com/pro/> . Also, if 
you look for something in the App Store it is harder to use than in earlier 
MacOS systems, but tends to have quite a few things. . One could even get 
Microsoft Word, but I find it more difficult than pages to work with.

In terms of the Google   prompt, is  Google mail working? I would suggest 
either logging out or force quitting System Preferences. What should happen is:

1. You click on the Google account in System Preferences Internet Accounts.

2. A prompt comes up saying you need to enter the information in a Browser 
window.

3. You click the OK, proceed or whatever the button is there.

4. Safari opens in a private browsing window and you enter your Google 
credentials.

5. At this point the prompt to open a browser to enter the password should be 
gone.

 

 Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn









On Jan 12, 2022, at 20:16, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

After getting a new Mac Air and setting it up, my partner has a couple of minor 
issues.
First of all, what are people using as a simple text editor that has a few more 
features than Text Edit, such as being able to get a word count, but is not as 
complex as Pages? iText Express was her go-to editor, but it does not work with 
the new Air and/or OS.

Also, she can’t get rid of the Google login screen. The computer is logged into 
the Google account, but the request to log in with the username and password 
will not go away. Any thoughts would be appreciated. She did try going back 
into System Preferences and to Internet accounts and attempt to log back in, 
but it is not letting her do this.

Kristeen

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Re: A couple of question after getting a new Mac Air

[Brad Snyder]

Pages does not allow you to work in a .DOC  or .DOCX format. You can export 
your final product to a MS word format, but that's not at all the same thing as 
being able to work in one of those formats.

- Brad -

On Jan 13, 2022, at 17:50, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:


I think Pages would be your best bet, and it is free on IOS and the mac.
 
From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 6:44 PM
To: Mac Users Group 
Subject: Re: A couple of question after getting a new Mac Air
 
In terms of a word processor, I’d like something that will allow me to save 
files in in .docx format. I’m also not interested in one of those 
subscription-based word processors where you pay for it by the month. I’m happy 
to pay for something that will meet my needs, but I’d prefer a one-time payment 
rather than paying by the month or year. Lastly, I’d rather not use a processor 
that requires an internet connection. I generally prefer to do my writing 
offline.

As far as that Google prompt goes, google mail is working without issue. I 
followed those instructions in system preferences, but once I get to internet 
accounts, it shows the account is logged in. It’s almost like that notification 
comes up without actually needing to, like it hasn’t cleared or something.

Thank you in advance for any insight you might have.
 
Kristeen


On Jan 13, 2022, at 10:40 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
 
Concerning editors, a word count is something that can be easily added via a 
script, so what other features are you looking for in a text editor? There are 
several around from Emacs to nisus Pro. Also, if you look for something in the 
App Store it is harder to use than in earlier MacOS systems, but tends to have 
quite a few things. . One could even get Microsoft Word, but I find it more 
difficult than pages to work with.
In terms of the Google   prompt, is  Google mail working? I would suggest 
either logging out or force quitting System Preferences. What should happen is:
1. You click on the Google account in System Preferences Internet Accounts.
2. A prompt comes up saying you need to enter the information in a Browser 
window.
3. You click the OK, proceed or whatever the button is there.
4. Safari opens in a private browsing window and you enter your Google 
credentials.
5. At this point the prompt to open a browser to enter the password should be 
gone.
 
 Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




On Jan 12, 2022, at 20:16, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:
 
After getting a new Mac Air and setting it up, my partner has a couple of minor 
issues.
First of all, what are people using as a simple text editor that has a few more 
features than Text Edit, such as being able to get a word count, but is not as 
complex as Pages? iText Express was her go-to editor, but it does not work with 
the new Air and/or OS.

Also, she can’t get rid of the Google login screen. The computer is logged into 
the Google account, but the request to log in with the username and password 
will not go away. Any thoughts would be appreciated. She did try going back 
into System Preferences and to Internet accounts and attempt to log back in, 
but it is not letting her do this.

Kristeen

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RE: A couple of question after getting a new Mac Air

[Rebecca Skipper]

I think Pages would be your best bet, and it is free on IOS and the mac.

 

From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 6:44 PM
To: Mac Users Group 
Subject: Re: A couple of question after getting a new Mac Air

 

In terms of a word processor, I’d like something that will allow me to save 
files in in .docx format. I’m also not interested in one of those 
subscription-based word processors where you pay for it by the month. I’m happy 
to pay for something that will meet my needs, but I’d prefer a one-time payment 
rather than paying by the month or year. Lastly, I’d rather not use a processor 
that requires an internet connection. I generally prefer to do my writing 
offline.

As far as that Google prompt goes, google mail is working without issue. I 
followed those instructions in system preferences, but once I get to internet 
accounts, it shows the account is logged in. It’s almost like that notification 
comes up without actually needing to, like it hasn’t cleared or something.

Thank you in advance for any insight you might have.

 

Kristeen





On Jan 13, 2022, at 10:40 AM, Jonathan Cohn mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Concerning editors, a word count is something that can be easily added via a 
script, so what other features are you looking for in a text editor? There are 
several around from Emacs to nisus Pro <https://www.nisus.com/pro/> . Also, if 
you look for something in the App Store it is harder to use than in earlier 
MacOS systems, but tends to have quite a few things. . One could even get 
Microsoft Word, but I find it more difficult than pages to work with.

In terms of the Google   prompt, is  Google mail working? I would suggest 
either logging out or force quitting System Preferences. What should happen is:

1. You click on the Google account in System Preferences Internet Accounts.

2. A prompt comes up saying you need to enter the information in a Browser 
window.

3. You click the OK, proceed or whatever the button is there.

4. Safari opens in a private browsing window and you enter your Google 
credentials.

5. At this point the prompt to open a browser to enter the password should be 
gone.

 

 Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn







On Jan 12, 2022, at 20:16, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

After getting a new Mac Air and setting it up, my partner has a couple of minor 
issues.
First of all, what are people using as a simple text editor that has a few more 
features than Text Edit, such as being able to get a word count, but is not as 
complex as Pages? iText Express was her go-to editor, but it does not work with 
the new Air and/or OS.

Also, she can’t get rid of the Google login screen. The computer is logged into 
the Google account, but the request to log in with the username and password 
will not go away. Any thoughts would be appreciated. She did try going back 
into System Preferences and to Internet accounts and attempt to log back in, 
but it is not letting her do this.

Kristeen

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Re: A couple of question after getting a new Mac Air

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

In terms of a word processor, I’d like something that will allow me to save 
files in in .docx format. I’m also not interested in one of those 
subscription-based word processors where you pay for it by the month. I’m happy 
to pay for something that will meet my needs, but I’d prefer a one-time payment 
rather than paying by the month or year. Lastly, I’d rather not use a processor 
that requires an internet connection. I generally prefer to do my writing 
offline.

As far as that Google prompt goes, google mail is working without issue. I 
followed those instructions in system preferences, but once I get to internet 
accounts, it shows the account is logged in. It’s almost like that notification 
comes up without actually needing to, like it hasn’t cleared or something.

Thank you in advance for any insight you might have.

Kristeen

> On Jan 13, 2022, at 10:40 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Concerning editors, a word count is something that can be easily added via a 
> script, so what other features are you looking for in a text editor? There 
> are several around from Emacs to nisus Pro <https://www.nisus.com/pro/>. 
> Also, if you look for something in the App Store it is harder to use than in 
> earlier MacOS systems, but tends to have quite a few things. . One could even 
> get Microsoft Word, but I find it more difficult than pages to work with.
> In terms of the Google   prompt, is  Google mail working? I would suggest 
> either logging out or force quitting System Preferences. What should happen 
> is:
> 1. You click on the Google account in System Preferences Internet Accounts.
> 2. A prompt comes up saying you need to enter the information in a Browser 
> window.
> 3. You click the OK, proceed or whatever the button is there.
> 4. Safari opens in a private browsing window and you enter your Google 
> credentials.
> 5. At this point the prompt to open a browser to enter the password should be 
> gone.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 20:16, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> After getting a new Mac Air and setting it up, my partner has a couple of 
>> minor issues.
>> First of all, what are people using as a simple text editor that has a few 
>> more features than Text Edit, such as being able to get a word count, but is 
>> not as complex as Pages? iText Express was her go-to editor, but it does not 
>> work with the new Air and/or OS.
>> 
>> Also, she can’t get rid of the Google login screen. The computer is logged 
>> into the Google account, but the request to log in with the username and 
>> password will not go away. Any thoughts would be appreciated. She did try 
>> going back into System Preferences and to Internet accounts and attempt to 
>> log back in, but it is not letting her do this.
>> 
>> Kristeen
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Re: A couple of question after getting a new Mac Air

[Jonathan Cohn]

Concerning editors, a word count is something that can be easily added via a 
script, so what other features are you looking for in a text editor? There are 
several around from Emacs to nisus Pro <https://www.nisus.com/pro/>. Also, if 
you look for something in the App Store it is harder to use than in earlier 
MacOS systems, but tends to have quite a few things. . One could even get 
Microsoft Word, but I find it more difficult than pages to work with.
In terms of the Google   prompt, is  Google mail working? I would suggest 
either logging out or force quitting System Preferences. What should happen is:
1. You click on the Google account in System Preferences Internet Accounts.
2. A prompt comes up saying you need to enter the information in a Browser 
window.
3. You click the OK, proceed or whatever the button is there.
4. Safari opens in a private browsing window and you enter your Google 
credentials.
5. At this point the prompt to open a browser to enter the password should be 
gone.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jan 12, 2022, at 20:16, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> After getting a new Mac Air and setting it up, my partner has a couple of 
> minor issues.
> First of all, what are people using as a simple text editor that has a few 
> more features than Text Edit, such as being able to get a word count, but is 
> not as complex as Pages? iText Express was her go-to editor, but it does not 
> work with the new Air and/or OS.
> 
> Also, she can’t get rid of the Google login screen. The computer is logged 
> into the Google account, but the request to log in with the username and 
> password will not go away. Any thoughts would be appreciated. She did try 
> going back into System Preferences and to Internet accounts and attempt to 
> log back in, but it is not letting her do this.
> 
> Kristeen
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A couple of question after getting a new Mac Air

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

After getting a new Mac Air and setting it up, my partner has a couple of minor 
issues.
First of all, what are people using as a simple text editor that has a few more 
features than Text Edit, such as being able to get a word count, but is not as 
complex as Pages? iText Express was her go-to editor, but it does not work with 
the new Air and/or OS.

Also, she can’t get rid of the Google login screen. The computer is logged into 
the Google account, but the request to log in with the username and password 
will not go away. Any thoughts would be appreciated. She did try going back 
into System Preerences and to Internet accounts and attempt to log back in, but 
it is not letting her do this.

Kristeen

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Re: A New Mac Mini

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

Thank you very much for this piece of advice. It did the trick. I woke up 
wondering if thert was it and then I saw your message. I don’t think you should 
need a mouse, but that’s another E-Mail.

Kristeen


> On Oct 28, 2021, at 10:24 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Try connecting a mouse or trackpad. Even though you don't need one, I believe 
> the Mac will require it.
> I recently set up a new 24 inch M1 iMac for someone, and the computer 
> wouldn't do a thing until I connected a mouse to it.
> Once you get through the initial set up, you can get rid of the mouse or 
> trackpad. The Mac only requires it at the very beginning.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Oct 28, 2021, at 17:57, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> I did. It acts like we are locked out. The little noice happens with any key 
> pressed.
> 
> Kristeen
> 
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 6:51 PM, Brett Campbell  wrote:
>> 
>> Did you try including function key along with VO F5?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
>>> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs 
>>> to press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to 
>>> get VO to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any 
>>> key pressed. Where do we go from here?
>>> 
>>> Kristeen
>>> just took the 
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RE: A New Mac Mini

[ilovecountrymusic483]

Hi,

IMO, but if you need to have a mouse or trackpad just to get things setup then 
that is a major flaw.  With that being said, I have ordered a majic mouse from 
aapple and should be getting within a few days.  My entition is to upgrade my 
2018 mac mini to Monterey, but want to do a clean install.  The problem I ran 
into however was that I could not git rid of the mouse image that came up.  It 
would try to find a mouse knowing that there isn't one so will have to wait for 
my mouse to get here on Tuesday.

Matthew



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Behalf Of dan d.
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 9:34 AM
To: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini


Sounds like a question to be addressed to apple disability, use this number:


877 204 3930On Thu, 28 Oct 2021, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> I???m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
> press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get VO 
> to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key 
> pressed. Where do we go from here?
>
> Kristeen
>  just took the
>
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Re: A New Mac Mini

[dan d.]

Sounds like a question to be addressed to apple disability, use this number:


877 204 3930On Thu, 28 Oct 2021, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> I???m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
> press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get VO 
> to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key 
> pressed. Where do we go from here?
>
> Kristeen
>  just took the
>
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RE: A New Mac Mini

[dan d.]

Not since the introduction of the 2014 model line has that been an issue.

On Thu, 28 Oct 2021, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

> Is a monitor connected to the Mini?
>
> If not, a dongle that emulates a monitor should work.
>
> I???ve heard of blind users having trouble if a monitor or adapter was not 
> connected at startup.
>
>
>
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it???s 
> possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you???d press 
> option-f5 instead.
>
>
>
> Later???
>
>
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I???m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
> press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get VO 
> to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key 
> pressed. Where do we go from here?
>
> Kristeen
> just took the
>
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Re: A New Mac Mini

[Brad Snyder]

Regardless of how you have your keyboard preferences set, the Fn key is not 
required when doing CMD plus F5 to start VoiceOver.
It has been that way for a long time.

- Brad -

On Oct 28, 2021, at 17:51, Brett Campbell  wrote:

Did you try including function key along with VO F5?


> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
> press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get VO 
> to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key 
> pressed. Where do we go from here?
> 
> Kristeen
> just took the 
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Re: A New Mac Mini

[Brad Snyder]

Try connecting a mouse or trackpad. Even though you don't need one, I believe 
the Mac will require it.
I recently set up a new 24 inch M1 iMac for someone, and the computer wouldn't 
do a thing until I connected a mouse to it.
Once you get through the initial set up, you can get rid of the mouse or 
trackpad. The Mac only requires it at the very beginning.

- Brad -

On Oct 28, 2021, at 17:57, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I did. It acts like we are locked out. The little noice happens with any key 
pressed.

Kristeen


> On Oct 28, 2021, at 6:51 PM, Brett Campbell  wrote:
> 
> Did you try including function key along with VO F5?
> 
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
>> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
>> press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get 
>> VO to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key 
>> pressed. Where do we go from here?
>> 
>> Kristeen
>> just took the 
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RE: A New Mac Mini

[Rebecca Skipper]

Well, I am not sure since I do not have a Mini.

However, a monitor or dongle might be needed.

Does your friend have a TV.

If the right ports are available, maybe that can be used as a monitor just to 
get through setup.

 

From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:59 PM
To: Mac Users Group 
Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini

 

I haven’t had to have a dongle since the end of 2013. Would they actually make 
it that way again with the new minis? I would find that strange.

 

Kristeen

 





On Oct 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Try searching for examples like Kaytech HDMI Dummy Plug Display Emulator 
Headless Ghost Virtual Display Adapter. 

 

 

From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:43 PM
To: Mac Users Group mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini

 

Where do you get such a dongle?

 

Kristeen

 






On Oct 28, 2021, at 6:35 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Is a monitor connected to the Mini?

If not, a dongle that emulates a monitor should work.

I’ve heard of blind users having trouble if a monitor or adapter was not 
connected at startup.

 

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Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini

 

Hi,

 

Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it’s 
possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you’d press option-f5 
instead.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada







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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

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plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get VO 
to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key pressed. 
Where do we go from here?

Kristeen
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Re: A New Mac Mini

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I haven’t had to have a dongle since the end of 2013. Would they actually make 
it that way again with the new minis? I would find that strange.

Kristeen


> On Oct 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Try searching for examples like Kaytech HDMI Dummy Plug Display Emulator 
> Headless Ghost Virtual Display Adapter. 
>  
>  
> From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:43 PM
> To: Mac Users Group 
> Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini
>  
> Where do you get such a dongle?
>  
> Kristeen
>  
> 
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 6:35 PM, Rebecca Skipper > <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Is a monitor connected to the Mini?
>> If not, a dongle that emulates a monitor should work.
>> I’ve heard of blind users having trouble if a monitor or adapter was not 
>> connected at startup.
>>  
>> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:33 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it’s 
>> possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you’d press 
>> option-f5 instead.
>>  
>> Later…
>>  
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> I’m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
>>> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs 
>>> to press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to 
>>> get VO to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any 
>>> key pressed. Where do we go from here?
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>>> Kristeen
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Re: A New Mac Mini

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

I did. It acts like we are locked out. The little noice happens with any key 
pressed.

Kristeen


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> 
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>> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
>> press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get 
>> VO to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key 
>> pressed. Where do we go from here?
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Re: A New Mac Mini

[Brett Campbell]

Did you try including function key along with VO F5?


> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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RE: A New Mac Mini

[Rebecca Skipper]

Try searching for examples like Kaytech HDMI Dummy Plug Display Emulator 
Headless Ghost Virtual Display Adapter. 

 

 

From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:43 PM
To: Mac Users Group 
Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini

 

Where do you get such a dongle?

 

Kristeen

 





On Oct 28, 2021, at 6:35 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Is a monitor connected to the Mini?

If not, a dongle that emulates a monitor should work.

I’ve heard of blind users having trouble if a monitor or adapter was not 
connected at startup.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini

 

Hi,

 

Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it’s 
possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you’d press option-f5 
instead.

 

Later…

 


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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
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plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get VO 
to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key pressed. 
Where do we go from here?

Kristeen
just took the 

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Re: A New Mac Mini

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Where do you get such a dongle?

Kristeen


> On Oct 28, 2021, at 6:35 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Is a monitor connected to the Mini?
> If not, a dongle that emulates a monitor should work.
> I’ve heard of blind users having trouble if a monitor or adapter was not 
> connected at startup.
>  
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
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> Hi,
>  
> Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it’s 
> possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you’d press 
> option-f5 instead.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> 
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>  
>> I’m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
>> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
>> press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get 
>> VO to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key 
>> pressed. Where do we go from here?
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>> Kristeen
>> just took the 
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Re: A New Mac Mini

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

She is using an Apple Magic keyboard, but she has no monitor. I have never had 
a monitor and I haven’t needed a dongle or anything. What does she need to get?

Kristeen

> On Oct 28, 2021, at 6:33 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it’s 
> possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you’d press 
> option-f5 instead.
> 
> Later…
> 
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> Tim Kilburn
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>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
>> press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get 
>> VO to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key 
>> pressed. Where do we go from here?
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>> Kristeen
>> just took the 
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Re: A New Mac Mini

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I thought that they’d fixed that headless issue and that you didn’t need a 
dongle or monitor anymore.  I could be mistaken though.

Later…


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> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:35 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Is a monitor connected to the Mini?
> If not, a dongle that emulates a monitor should work.
> I’ve heard of blind users having trouble if a monitor or adapter was not 
> connected at startup.
>  
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it’s 
> possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you’d press 
> option-f5 instead.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>  
>> I’m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
>> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
>> press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get 
>> VO to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key 
>> pressed. Where do we go from here?
>> 
>> Kristeen
>> just took the 
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RE: A New Mac Mini

[Rebecca Skipper]

Is a monitor connected to the Mini?

If not, a dongle that emulates a monitor should work.

I’ve heard of blind users having trouble if a monitor or adapter was not 
connected at startup.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini

 

Hi,

 

Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it’s 
possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you’d press option-f5 
instead.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
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Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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I’m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get VO 
to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key pressed. 
Where do we go from here?

Kristeen
just took the 

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Re: A New Mac Mini

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it’s 
possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you’d press option-f5 
instead.

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A New Mac Mini

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

I’m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get VO 
to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key pressed. 
Where do we go from here?

Kristeen
 just took the 

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Re: Any New Mac Today?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Multiple MacBook Pros.  New 14” and new 16” models with next generation M1Pro 
and M1Max processors.

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> On Oct 18, 2021, at 12:45 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Yes, New M1 MacBook Pro.
> Donna
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Re: Any New Mac Today?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, New M1 MacBook Pro.
Donna


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Any New Mac Today?

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Did Apple announce any new Mac today?

Thanks!

 

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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

I don’t see how this would be any different from using a Time Machine backup.
You would still be using an update from an Intel-based Mac, to restore/setup a 
M1 Mac.
No matter how you go about it, the 2 systems are completely different.
In my opinion this would be asking for trouble, but you are welcome to do 
whatever you wish.

- Brad -


On Jul 21, 2021, at 06:57, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Just a question.
Would programs like superDuper or Carbon Copy Cloner help if you migrate to an 
m1 Mac?
/A

> 21 juli 2021 kl. 01:11 skrev Agent086b  <mailto:agent0...@internode.on.net>>:
> 
> Hi,
> how do you transfer the files to the new Mac?
> Thanks for any tips.
> Max. 
> 
>> On 21 Jul 2021, at 5:08 am, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> In my opinion, the proper use of a Time Machine backup, is to restore a 
>> backup made on an individual machine, to the machine that created the 
>> backup, in the event that the machine that created the backup, suffers a 
>> hard drive failure.
>> Restoring a Time Machine backup to a different machine than the machine that 
>> created the backup, may have unintended and devastating consequences, and 
>> should not be done as a matter of practice. 
>> 
>> It is also my opinion that a new Mac should be setup as a new Mac from 
>> scratch, and data and application should be moved to the new Mac, after the 
>> new Mac has been setup as a new machine.  This may seem to be more time 
>> consuming and less convenient, but it is a much more prudent and safer way 
>> to proceed, as I am sure Donna will agree.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:39, skipper8...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
>> recovery.
>> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I 
>> may backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
>> 
>> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
>> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
>> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
>> would be misguided.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg >> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi”
>>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>>> 
>>>> Alia,
>>>> 
>>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which 
>>>> pretty much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that 
>>>> this is a known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using 
>>>> Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>>> Just my $.02,
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >>>> <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> alia
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Just a question.
Would programs like superDuper or Carbon Copy Cloner help if you migrate to an 
m1 Mac?
/A

> 21 juli 2021 kl. 01:11 skrev Agent086b :
> 
> Hi,
> how do you transfer the files to the new Mac?
> Thanks for any tips.
> Max. 
> 
>> On 21 Jul 2021, at 5:08 am, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> In my opinion, the proper use of a Time Machine backup, is to restore a 
>> backup made on an individual machine, to the machine that created the 
>> backup, in the event that the machine that created the backup, suffers a 
>> hard drive failure.
>> Restoring a Time Machine backup to a different machine than the machine that 
>> created the backup, may have unintended and devastating consequences, and 
>> should not be done as a matter of practice. 
>> 
>> It is also my opinion that a new Mac should be setup as a new Mac from 
>> scratch, and data and application should be moved to the new Mac, after the 
>> new Mac has been setup as a new machine.  This may seem to be more time 
>> consuming and less convenient, but it is a much more prudent and safer way 
>> to proceed, as I am sure Donna will agree.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:39, skipper8...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
>> recovery.
>> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I 
>> may backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
>> 
>> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
>> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
>> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
>> would be misguided.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg >> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi”
>>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>>> 
>>>> Alia,
>>>> 
>>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which 
>>>> pretty much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that 
>>>> this is a known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using 
>>>> Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>>> Just my $.02,
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >>>> <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> alia
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

Well, I store most of my data in iCloud and/or Dropbox.  For data that is on my 
Mac mini, such as my iTunes Music library, I copy my User/Home folder to an 
external USB drive, then import it onto the new Mac.
My Mac mini is my primary Mac.  I do not keep music or other archived data on 
my MacBook Pro.  When using the MacBook Pro, I rely on iCloud and music from 
cloud sharing.

- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 18:11, Agent086b  wrote:

Hi,
how do you transfer the files to the new Mac?
Thanks for any tips.
Max. 

> On 21 Jul 2021, at 5:08 am, Brad Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> In my opinion, the proper use of a Time Machine backup, is to restore a 
> backup made on an individual machine, to the machine that created the backup, 
> in the event that the machine that created the backup, suffers a hard drive 
> failure.
> Restoring a Time Machine backup to a different machine than the machine that 
> created the backup, may have unintended and devastating consequences, and 
> should not be done as a matter of practice. 
> 
> It is also my opinion that a new Mac should be setup as a new Mac from 
> scratch, and data and application should be moved to the new Mac, after the 
> new Mac has been setup as a new machine.  This may seem to be more time 
> consuming and less convenient, but it is a much more prudent and safer way to 
> proceed, as I am sure Donna will agree.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:39, skipper8...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg > <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >>> <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>>> 
>>>> alia
>>>> 
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Agent086b]

Hi,
how do you transfer the files to the new Mac?
Thanks for any tips.
Max. 

> On 21 Jul 2021, at 5:08 am, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> In my opinion, the proper use of a Time Machine backup, is to restore a 
> backup made on an individual machine, to the machine that created the backup, 
> in the event that the machine that created the backup, suffers a hard drive 
> failure.
> Restoring a Time Machine backup to a different machine than the machine that 
> created the backup, may have unintended and devastating consequences, and 
> should not be done as a matter of practice. 
> 
> It is also my opinion that a new Mac should be setup as a new Mac from 
> scratch, and data and application should be moved to the new Mac, after the 
> new Mac has been setup as a new machine.  This may seem to be more time 
> consuming and less convenient, but it is a much more prudent and safer way to 
> proceed, as I am sure Donna will agree.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:39, skipper8...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg > <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >>> <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>>> 
>>>> alia
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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[ilovecountrymusic483]

In my opion, I would just set things up as new, then copy over what you want  
after setting things up.

Matthew



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of alia robinson
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

right, I knew it was you this happened to. I’m not the best at any of this to 
begin with and my husband does IT on windows, so has no clue.

> On Jul 20, 2021, at 9:41 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Alia,
> 
> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with 
> the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, 
> were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
> Just my $.02,
> Donna

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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

I’ve seen issues where file names have been too long and had to be shortened.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

I suspect the Passport is formatted in NTFS, which is OK, but it seems to have 
some file size limitations.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:30, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Unfortunately, I just used the default settings on the My Passport Drive.

I have no idea how those drives are formatted.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

That depends on how you format the external HD.

I suggest using XFAT, if you want an external HD that can be read and written 
to, by both Mac and Windows machines.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:18, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I store my data in Dropbox, iCloud, and Microsoft OneDrive, but I also backup 
data to an external hard drive.

Can I use the same hardrive for media and document backups for Mac and Windows?

Please note that I am just talking about documents, music, and MP4 video files 
and not system backups or images.

Thanks.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

I store all my data in either iCloud or Dropbox, which makes it available on 
all my connected devices.

This makes setting up a new device really easy.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna







On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
<mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>  wrote:

I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and recovery.
Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna







On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A






20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna





On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

I suspect the Passport is formatted in NTFS, which is OK, but it seems to have 
some file size limitations.


- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:30,   
wrote:

Unfortunately, I just used the default settings on the My Passport Drive.
I have no idea how those drives are formatted.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
 
That depends on how you format the external HD.
I suggest using XFAT, if you want an external HD that can be read and written 
to, by both Mac and Windows machines.

- Brad -

 
On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:18, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
I store my data in Dropbox, iCloud, and Microsoft OneDrive, but I also backup 
data to an external hard drive.
Can I use the same hardrive for media and document backups for Mac and Windows?
Please note that I am just talking about documents, music, and MP4 video files 
and not system backups or images.
Thanks.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
 
I store all my data in either iCloud or Dropbox, which makes it available on 
all my connected devices.
This makes setting up a new device really easy.

- Brad -

 
On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna




> On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg > <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >>> <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>>> 
>>>> alia
>>>> 
>>>>

RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

Thanks.

Good to know.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Time Machine is a great tool to have in your toolbox.

I have used it to restore my old 2012 Mac mini when the HD began to fail.

The Time Machine backup restored the Mac mini to where it was before the HD 
failed, and it was like nothing had happened.

It worked great.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:24, skipper8...@gmail.com <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> 
 wrote:

 

Well,

Thanks for the tips.

I think your previous backup suggestions will work for me, and I’ll probably 
never use time machine.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Yes it does, but when Donna used a Time Machine backup to setup her new M1 Mac, 
everything on her new Mac’s HD was wiped, and replaced with the backup from the 
older Mac, and this is what I believe rendered her new M1 Mac unusable.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:51, skipper8...@gmail.com <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> 
 wrote:

 

Does the Mac allow you to clean install the OS just like Windows does maybe 
through a recovery partition?

Then, you could just sign in again and restore through iCloud.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Using the Migration Assistant to migrate data and applications is different 
than restoring from a Time Machine backup.

When restoring from a Time Machine backup, the destination machine’s hard drive 
is wiped, and the contents of the backup are written to the drive.

Since a backup from an Intel-based Mac is incompatible with an M1 Mac, the M1 
Mac is rendered unusable when restoring a backup from an Intel-based Mac.

I believe this is what happened to Donna’s M1 Mac, and at least one other on 
this list.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna







On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A






20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna





On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

Time Machine is a great tool to have in your toolbox.
I have used it to restore my old 2012 Mac mini when the HD began to fail.
The Time Machine backup restored the Mac mini to where it was before the HD 
failed, and it was like nothing had happened.
It worked great.

- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:24, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:

Well,
Thanks for the tips.
I think your previous backup suggestions will work for me, and I’ll probably 
never use time machine.
 
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
 
Yes it does, but when Donna used a Time Machine backup to setup her new M1 Mac, 
everything on her new Mac’s HD was wiped, and replaced with the backup from the 
older Mac, and this is what I believe rendered her new M1 Mac unusable.
 

- Brad -

 
On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:51, skipper8...@gmail.com <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
 
Does the Mac allow you to clean install the OS just like Windows does maybe 
through a recovery partition?
Then, you could just sign in again and restore through iCloud.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
 
Using the Migration Assistant to migrate data and applications is different 
than restoring from a Time Machine backup.
When restoring from a Time Machine backup, the destination machine’s hard drive 
is wiped, and the contents of the backup are written to the drive.
Since a backup from an Intel-based Mac is incompatible with an M1 Mac, the M1 
Mac is rendered unusable when restoring a backup from an Intel-based Mac.
I believe this is what happened to Donna’s M1 Mac, and at least one other on 
this list.

- Brad -

 
On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna




> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
> 
> Hi”
> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
> But maybe its worth it anyway.
> /A
> 
> 
> 
>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>> 
>> Alia,
>> 
>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
>> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
>> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
>> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
>> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue 
>> with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal 
>> pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>> Just my $.02,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >> <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>> 
>>> alia
>>> 
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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

Unfortunately, I just used the default settings on the My Passport Drive.

I have no idea how those drives are formatted.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

That depends on how you format the external HD.

I suggest using XFAT, if you want an external HD that can be read and written 
to, by both Mac and Windows machines.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:18, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I store my data in Dropbox, iCloud, and Microsoft OneDrive, but I also backup 
data to an external hard drive.

Can I use the same hardrive for media and document backups for Mac and Windows?

Please note that I am just talking about documents, music, and MP4 video files 
and not system backups or images.

Thanks.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

I store all my data in either iCloud or Dropbox, which makes it available on 
all my connected devices.

This makes setting up a new device really easy.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna






On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
<mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>  wrote:

I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and recovery.
Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna






On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A





20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna




On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

That depends on how you format the external HD.
I suggest using XFAT, if you want an external HD that can be read and written 
to, by both Mac and Windows machines.

- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:18,   
wrote:

I store my data in Dropbox, iCloud, and Microsoft OneDrive, but I also backup 
data to an external hard drive.
Can I use the same hardrive for media and document backups for Mac and Windows?
Please note that I am just talking about documents, music, and MP4 video files 
and not system backups or images.
Thanks.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
 
I store all my data in either iCloud or Dropbox, which makes it available on 
all my connected devices.
This makes setting up a new device really easy.

- Brad -

 
On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna



> On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg > <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >>> <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>>> 
>>>> alia
>>>> 
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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

Well,

Thanks for the tips.

I think your previous backup suggestions will work for me, and I’ll probably 
never use time machine.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Yes it does, but when Donna used a Time Machine backup to setup her new M1 Mac, 
everything on her new Mac’s HD was wiped, and replaced with the backup from the 
older Mac, and this is what I believe rendered her new M1 Mac unusable.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:51, skipper8...@gmail.com <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> 
 wrote:

 

Does the Mac allow you to clean install the OS just like Windows does maybe 
through a recovery partition?

Then, you could just sign in again and restore through iCloud.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Using the Migration Assistant to migrate data and applications is different 
than restoring from a Time Machine backup.

When restoring from a Time Machine backup, the destination machine’s hard drive 
is wiped, and the contents of the backup are written to the drive.

Since a backup from an Intel-based Mac is incompatible with an M1 Mac, the M1 
Mac is rendered unusable when restoring a backup from an Intel-based Mac.

I believe this is what happened to Donna’s M1 Mac, and at least one other on 
this list.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna






On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A





20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna




On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

Yes it does, but when Donna used a Time Machine backup to setup her new M1 Mac, 
everything on her new Mac’s HD was wiped, and replaced with the backup from the 
older Mac, and this is what I believe rendered her new M1 Mac unusable.


- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:51, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:

Does the Mac allow you to clean install the OS just like Windows does maybe 
through a recovery partition?
Then, you could just sign in again and restore through iCloud.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
 
Using the Migration Assistant to migrate data and applications is different 
than restoring from a Time Machine backup.
When restoring from a Time Machine backup, the destination machine’s hard drive 
is wiped, and the contents of the backup are written to the drive.
Since a backup from an Intel-based Mac is incompatible with an M1 Mac, the M1 
Mac is rendered unusable when restoring a backup from an Intel-based Mac.
I believe this is what happened to Donna’s M1 Mac, and at least one other on 
this list.

- Brad -

 
On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna



> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
> 
> Hi”
> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
> But maybe its worth it anyway.
> /A
> 
> 
>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>> 
>> Alia,
>> 
>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
>> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
>> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
>> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
>> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue 
>> with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal 
>> pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>> Just my $.02,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >> <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>> 
>>> alia
>>> 
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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

I store my data in Dropbox, iCloud, and Microsoft OneDrive, but I also backup 
data to an external hard drive.

Can I use the same hardrive for media and document backups for Mac and Windows?

Please note that I am just talking about documents, music, and MP4 video files 
and not system backups or images.

Thanks.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

I store all my data in either iCloud or Dropbox, which makes it available on 
all my connected devices.

This makes setting up a new device really easy.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna





On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
<mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>  wrote:

I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and recovery.
Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna





On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A




20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna



On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

I store all my data in either iCloud or Dropbox, which makes it available on 
all my connected devices.
This makes setting up a new device really easy.

- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>>> 
>>>> alia
>>>> 
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

In my opinion, the proper use of a Time Machine backup, is to restore a backup 
made on an individual machine, to the machine that created the backup, in the 
event that the machine that created the backup, suffers a hard drive failure.
Restoring a Time Machine backup to a different machine than the machine that 
created the backup, may have unintended and devastating consequences, and 
should not be done as a matter of practice. 

It is also my opinion that a new Mac should be setup as a new Mac from scratch, 
and data and application should be moved to the new Mac, after the new Mac has 
been setup as a new machine.  This may seem to be more time consuming and less 
convenient, but it is a much more prudent and safer way to proceed, as I am 
sure Donna will agree.

- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:39, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:

I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and recovery.
Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi”
> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
> But maybe its worth it anyway.
> /A
> 
>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Alia,
>> 
>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
>> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
>> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
>> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
>> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue 
>> with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal 
>> pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>> Just my $.02,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>> 
>>> alia
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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

Does the Mac allow you to clean install the OS just like Windows does maybe 
through a recovery partition?

Then, you could just sign in again and restore through iCloud.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Using the Migration Assistant to migrate data and applications is different 
than restoring from a Time Machine backup.

When restoring from a Time Machine backup, the destination machine’s hard drive 
is wiped, and the contents of the backup are written to the drive.

Since a backup from an Intel-based Mac is incompatible with an M1 Mac, the M1 
Mac is rendered unusable when restoring a backup from an Intel-based Mac.

I believe this is what happened to Donna’s M1 Mac, and at least one other on 
this list.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna





On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A




20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna



On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

I'm glad.
I found it much easier to create an account on the Mac because my iPhone was 
already in the cloud.
Setting up the Mac this way was easier than Windows.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:47 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>>> 
>>>> alia
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

Using the Migration Assistant to migrate data and applications is different 
than restoring from a Time Machine backup.
When restoring from a Time Machine backup, the destination machine’s hard drive 
is wiped, and the contents of the backup are written to the drive.
Since a backup from an Intel-based Mac is incompatible with an M1 Mac, the M1 
Mac is rendered unusable when restoring a backup from an Intel-based Mac.
I believe this is what happened to Donna’s M1 Mac, and at least one other on 
this list.

- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi”
> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
> But maybe its worth it anyway.
> /A
> 
>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Alia,
>> 
>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
>> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
>> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
>> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
>> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue 
>> with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal 
>> pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>> Just my $.02,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>> 
>>> alia
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>>> 
>>>> alia
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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and recovery.
Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi”
> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
> But maybe its worth it anyway.
> /A
> 
>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Alia,
>> 
>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
>> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
>> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
>> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
>> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue 
>> with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal 
>> pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>> Just my $.02,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>> 
>>> alia
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