Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Scott Granados]

Very true, whether it’s memory, optics, on and on branding is the key.  That’s 
why we buy Cape Cod potato chips over a generic brand.  Or why I spend 30 
thousand dollars on a specific optical transceiver instead of the chinese 
knockoff that works at well for $600 because the manufacturer puts in some 
little eprom that holds me hostage.

Apple and their Lightning chip is another example of artificially trying to 
inflate pricing.  Now the chips cracked you can buy cables for $3 instead of 
$30.


> On Jul 1, 2016, at 9:24 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   Apple is hardly alone in this business practice.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 7/1/2016 6:20 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Yes about a third the price for same ram but not through apple.
>> Go figure
>> 
>> Can't get over how apple increase pricing that much.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2016 12:40 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>> 
>> I’ve got a 32 GB crucial kit in my 2011.  Totally unapproved by apple but 
>> works none the less.  The last thing they wanted was you buying your own ram 
>> for a 3rd or even deeper a discount than the Apple pricing.
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 5:44 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Unless that 32gigs is unofficial, the max is 16 on the mid 2012 MBP 
>>> according to Crucial.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 7/1/2016 4:20 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>> Simon, FYI, you can go up to 32 GB on the 2011 - 12 models.  Crucial
>>>> and I think Kingston make 1 for 1 replacement modules and the OS
>>>> recognizes
>>>> 32 GB just fine.  Sucks you can’t do this on the late model hardware.
>>>> I’d love to have more than 16GB and it bothers me Apple forces you to
>>>> that limit because you can’t upgrade your own ram.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com
>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know this is late to you but a 2011 mac book pro isn’t a bad
>>>>> machine, It will take up to 16 gig of ram and with a dvd drive you
>>>>> could take the hard drive out and put in an SSD, I did this recently
>>>>> with a similar model I think it was a 2013 version of same size etc.
>>>>> The machine was then working like a mac book air for speed but
>>>>> weight was twice the size still bloody light compared to some windows 
>>>>> machines.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As for the 2015 mac book air for 625,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Depending on what your wanting to spend, I would go the mac book air.
>>>>> Lighter, faster unless you modify the harddrive and ram,  but
>>>>> Probably not as much storage space The MBA also has wifi AC and USB
>>>>> 3 and thunderbolt  where as the 2011 mac book pro has 2 USB 2,
>>>>> possibly 3 but I don’t think so.
>>>>> Firewire 800 and 400, mini display port and possibly SD slot And a
>>>>> bigger screan,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I personally would look at the mac book air but that is me.
>>>>> Oh check the harddrive storage space in the mac book air, see how it
>>>>> matchs up to the mac book pro.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good luck.
>>>>> *From:* m andacvisionar...@googlegroups.com
>>>>> <mailto:andacvisionar...@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@goo
>>>>> glegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Andy
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, 1 July 2016 7:48 AM
>>>>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Scott and Simon.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here it is at last from the horses mouth.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thats a MacBook Pro with CD drive the newer models don’t have CD drives.
>>>>> So the details ar:
>>>>> MacBook Pro 13inch late 2011 model.
>>>

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Scott Granados]

It’s a common strategy, have you ever priced memory for a Cisco router?  From 
Cisco you could pay thousands for memory worth $100.  When you peel off the 
Cisco sticker there’s a Kingston sticker and model number underneath.  It’s 
called marketing.:)

Apple soldering everything to the boards now is how they counter this, you have 
to buy the part from them installed by them.  I personally find this weak sauce 
but this is to be expected in companies with Apple’s mindset of closeness.

> On Jul 1, 2016, at 9:20 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes about a third the price for same ram but not through apple.
> Go figure
> 
> Can't get over how apple increase pricing that much.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2016 12:40 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
> 
> I’ve got a 32 GB crucial kit in my 2011.  Totally unapproved by apple but 
> works none the less.  The last thing they wanted was you buying your own ram 
> for a 3rd or even deeper a discount than the Apple pricing.
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 5:44 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  Unless that 32gigs is unofficial, the max is 16 on the mid 2012 MBP 
>> according to Crucial.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 7/1/2016 4:20 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> Simon, FYI, you can go up to 32 GB on the 2011 - 12 models.  Crucial
>>> and I think Kingston make 1 for 1 replacement modules and the OS
>>> recognizes
>>> 32 GB just fine.  Sucks you can’t do this on the late model hardware.
>>> I’d love to have more than 16GB and it bothers me Apple forces you to
>>> that limit because you can’t upgrade your own ram.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com
>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ,
>>>> 
>>>> I know this is late to you but a 2011 mac book pro isn’t a bad
>>>> machine, It will take up to 16 gig of ram and with a dvd drive you
>>>> could take the hard drive out and put in an SSD, I did this recently
>>>> with a similar model I think it was a 2013 version of same size etc.
>>>> The machine was then working like a mac book air for speed but
>>>> weight was twice the size still bloody light compared to some windows 
>>>> machines.
>>>> 
>>>> As for the 2015 mac book air for 625,
>>>> 
>>>> Depending on what your wanting to spend, I would go the mac book air.
>>>> Lighter, faster unless you modify the harddrive and ram,  but
>>>> Probably not as much storage space The MBA also has wifi AC and USB
>>>> 3 and thunderbolt  where as the 2011 mac book pro has 2 USB 2,
>>>> possibly 3 but I don’t think so.
>>>> Firewire 800 and 400, mini display port and possibly SD slot And a
>>>> bigger screan,
>>>> 
>>>> I personally would look at the mac book air but that is me.
>>>> Oh check the harddrive storage space in the mac book air, see how it
>>>> matchs up to the mac book pro.
>>>> 
>>>> Good luck.
>>>> *From:* m andacvisionar...@googlegroups.com
>>>> <mailto:andacvisionar...@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@goo
>>>> glegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Andy
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, 1 July 2016 7:48 AM
>>>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Scott and Simon.
>>>> 
>>>> Here it is at last from the horses mouth.
>>>> 
>>>> Thats a MacBook Pro with CD drive the newer models don’t have CD drives.
>>>> So the details ar:
>>>> MacBook Pro 13inch late 2011 model.
>>>> processor: 2.4Ghz Intel Core i5
>>>> Memory: 4Gb
>>>> 
>>>> If you get one cheap you can upgrade the memory etc at minimum cost.
>>>> Let me know how you get on.
>>>> 
>>>> These are the words of the guy who is offering me free one-to-one
>>>> training and that's the computer he uses for training at his office
>>>> in Glasgow.
>>>> 
>>>> Late 2011 would seem to me as quite elderly and if these co

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[E.T.]

   Apple is hardly alone in this business practice.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/1/2016 6:20 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Yes about a third the price for same ram but not through apple.
Go figure

Can't get over how apple increase pricing that much.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2016 12:40 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

I’ve got a 32 GB crucial kit in my 2011.  Totally unapproved by apple but works 
none the less.  The last thing they wanted was you buying your own ram for a 
3rd or even deeper a discount than the Apple pricing.


On Jul 1, 2016, at 5:44 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

  Unless that 32gigs is unofficial, the max is 16 on the mid 2012 MBP according 
to Crucial.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/1/2016 4:20 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Simon, FYI, you can go up to 32 GB on the 2011 - 12 models.  Crucial
and I think Kingston make 1 for 1 replacement modules and the OS
recognizes
32 GB just fine.  Sucks you can’t do this on the late model hardware.
I’d love to have more than 16GB and it bothers me Apple forces you to
that limit because you can’t upgrade your own ram.



On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com
<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

,

I know this is late to you but a 2011 mac book pro isn’t a bad
machine, It will take up to 16 gig of ram and with a dvd drive you
could take the hard drive out and put in an SSD, I did this recently
with a similar model I think it was a 2013 version of same size etc.
The machine was then working like a mac book air for speed but
weight was twice the size still bloody light compared to some windows machines.

As for the 2015 mac book air for 625,

Depending on what your wanting to spend, I would go the mac book air.
Lighter, faster unless you modify the harddrive and ram,  but
Probably not as much storage space The MBA also has wifi AC and USB
3 and thunderbolt  where as the 2011 mac book pro has 2 USB 2,
possibly 3 but I don’t think so.
Firewire 800 and 400, mini display port and possibly SD slot And a
bigger screan,

I personally would look at the mac book air but that is me.
Oh check the harddrive storage space in the mac book air, see how it
matchs up to the mac book pro.

Good luck.
*From:* m andacvisionar...@googlegroups.com
<mailto:andacvisionar...@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@goo
glegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Andy
*Sent:* Friday, 1 July 2016 7:48 AM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Scott and Simon.

Here it is at last from the horses mouth.

Thats a MacBook Pro with CD drive the newer models don’t have CD drives.
So the details ar:
MacBook Pro 13inch late 2011 model.
processor: 2.4Ghz Intel Core i5
Memory: 4Gb

If you get one cheap you can upgrade the memory etc at minimum cost.
Let me know how you get on.

These are the words of the guy who is offering me free one-to-one
training and that's the computer he uses for training at his office
in Glasgow.

Late 2011 would seem to me as quite elderly and if these computers
are still available, will be cheeper than the £625 that the Apple
store are wanting for a 2015 13 inch Macbook Air.

What do you think guys.  Should I get my other friend to see if he
can pick one up on Ebay or is it perhaps too old, being late 2011?

Very best wishes.
Andy.


   - Original Message -
   *From:* Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
   *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
   *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:21 PM
   *Subject:* Re: Mac book recommendation please

   Hi Simon, 500 pounds is about what 700 US?  Do you think that’s
   enough to get in the door with Apple directly?  Sounds a little
   thin especially when you consider the additional costs over seas
   but I may be wrong.

   BTW, if Andy can get better deals with in the US with US dollars
   from Apple I’d be happy to be a proxy for that transaction and for
   no charge other than the cost of the unit and shipping.  Just an
   idea if there are any excessive import charges or anything.
   Also, as Andy mentioned, Ebay may be a very good option.  I don’t
   know how popular craigslist is in the UK but here it’s very
   popular and lots of Mac products can be had for a deep discount if
   you know what you’re looking for.

   Either way, hope all works out well.

   Let me know if I can be of help.


   On Jun 30, 2016, at 6:55 AM, Simon Fogarty
   <si...@blinky-net.com <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

   Hi Andy,
   500 pounds is a lot of cash,
   If you have access to a computer 

RE: Mac book recommendation please

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes about a third the price for same ram but not through apple.
Go figure 

Can't get over how apple increase pricing that much.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2016 12:40 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

I’ve got a 32 GB crucial kit in my 2011.  Totally unapproved by apple but works 
none the less.  The last thing they wanted was you buying your own ram for a 
3rd or even deeper a discount than the Apple pricing.

> On Jul 1, 2016, at 5:44 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   Unless that 32gigs is unofficial, the max is 16 on the mid 2012 MBP 
> according to Crucial.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 7/1/2016 4:20 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Simon, FYI, you can go up to 32 GB on the 2011 - 12 models.  Crucial 
>> and I think Kingston make 1 for 1 replacement modules and the OS 
>> recognizes
>> 32 GB just fine.  Sucks you can’t do this on the late model hardware.
>> I’d love to have more than 16GB and it bothers me Apple forces you to 
>> that limit because you can’t upgrade your own ram.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ,
>>> 
>>> I know this is late to you but a 2011 mac book pro isn’t a bad 
>>> machine, It will take up to 16 gig of ram and with a dvd drive you 
>>> could take the hard drive out and put in an SSD, I did this recently 
>>> with a similar model I think it was a 2013 version of same size etc.
>>> The machine was then working like a mac book air for speed but 
>>> weight was twice the size still bloody light compared to some windows 
>>> machines.
>>> 
>>> As for the 2015 mac book air for 625,
>>> 
>>> Depending on what your wanting to spend, I would go the mac book air.
>>> Lighter, faster unless you modify the harddrive and ram,  but 
>>> Probably not as much storage space The MBA also has wifi AC and USB 
>>> 3 and thunderbolt  where as the 2011 mac book pro has 2 USB 2, 
>>> possibly 3 but I don’t think so.
>>> Firewire 800 and 400, mini display port and possibly SD slot And a 
>>> bigger screan,
>>> 
>>> I personally would look at the mac book air but that is me.
>>> Oh check the harddrive storage space in the mac book air, see how it 
>>> matchs up to the mac book pro.
>>> 
>>> Good luck.
>>> *From:* m andacvisionar...@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:andacvisionar...@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@goo
>>> glegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Andy
>>> *Sent:* Friday, 1 July 2016 7:48 AM
>>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott and Simon.
>>> 
>>> Here it is at last from the horses mouth.
>>> 
>>> Thats a MacBook Pro with CD drive the newer models don’t have CD drives.
>>> So the details ar:
>>> MacBook Pro 13inch late 2011 model.
>>> processor: 2.4Ghz Intel Core i5
>>> Memory: 4Gb
>>> 
>>> If you get one cheap you can upgrade the memory etc at minimum cost.
>>> Let me know how you get on.
>>> 
>>> These are the words of the guy who is offering me free one-to-one 
>>> training and that's the computer he uses for training at his office 
>>> in Glasgow.
>>> 
>>> Late 2011 would seem to me as quite elderly and if these computers 
>>> are still available, will be cheeper than the £625 that the Apple 
>>> store are wanting for a 2015 13 inch Macbook Air.
>>> 
>>> What do you think guys.  Should I get my other friend to see if he 
>>> can pick one up on Ebay or is it perhaps too old, being late 2011?
>>> 
>>> Very best wishes.
>>> Andy.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>- Original Message -
>>>*From:* Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
>>>*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>*Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:21 PM
>>>*Subject:* Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>> 
>>>Hi Simon, 500 pounds is about what 700 US?  Do you think that’s
>>>enough to get in the door with Apple directly?  Sounds 

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[E.T.]

   Well if my budget was more solid I might try 32. Even with 16, the 
Windows VM is too pokey. Oh well.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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On 7/1/2016 5:40 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

I’ve got a 32 GB crucial kit in my 2011.  Totally unapproved by apple but works 
none the less.  The last thing they wanted was you buying your own ram for a 
3rd or even deeper a discount than the Apple pricing.


On Jul 1, 2016, at 5:44 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

  Unless that 32gigs is unofficial, the max is 16 on the mid 2012 MBP according 
to Crucial.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/1/2016 4:20 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Simon, FYI, you can go up to 32 GB on the 2011 - 12 models.  Crucial and
I think Kingston make 1 for 1 replacement modules and the OS recognizes
32 GB just fine.  Sucks you can’t do this on the late model hardware.
I’d love to have more than 16GB and it bothers me Apple forces you to
that limit because you can’t upgrade your own ram.



On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com
<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

,

I know this is late to you but a 2011 mac book pro isn’t a bad machine,
It will take up to 16 gig of ram and with a dvd drive you could take
the hard drive out and put in an SSD, I did this recently with a
similar model I think it was a 2013 version of same size etc.
The machine was then working like a mac book air for speed but weight
was twice the size still bloody light compared to some windows machines.

As for the 2015 mac book air for 625,

Depending on what your wanting to spend, I would go the mac book air.
Lighter, faster unless you modify the harddrive and ram,  but
Probably not as much storage space
The MBA also has wifi AC and USB 3 and thunderbolt  where as the 2011
mac book pro has 2 USB 2, possibly 3 but I don’t think so.
Firewire 800 and 400, mini display port and possibly SD slot
And a bigger screan,

I personally would look at the mac book air but that is me.
Oh check the harddrive storage space in the mac book air, see how it
matchs up to the mac book pro.

Good luck.
*From:* m andacvisionar...@googlegroups.com
<mailto:andacvisionar...@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 *On
Behalf Of *Andy
*Sent:* Friday, 1 July 2016 7:48 AM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Scott and Simon.

Here it is at last from the horses mouth.

Thats a MacBook Pro with CD drive the newer models don’t have CD drives.
So the details ar:
MacBook Pro 13inch late 2011 model.
processor: 2.4Ghz Intel Core i5
Memory: 4Gb

If you get one cheap you can upgrade the memory etc at minimum cost.
Let me know how you get on.

These are the words of the guy who is offering me free one-to-one
training and that's the computer he uses for training at his office in
Glasgow.

Late 2011 would seem to me as quite elderly and if these computers are
still available, will be cheeper than the £625 that the Apple store
are wanting for a 2015 13 inch Macbook Air.

What do you think guys.  Should I get my other friend to see if he can
pick one up on Ebay or is it perhaps too old, being late 2011?

Very best wishes.
Andy.


   - Original Message -
   *From:* Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
   *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
   *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:21 PM
   *Subject:* Re: Mac book recommendation please

   Hi Simon, 500 pounds is about what 700 US?  Do you think that’s
   enough to get in the door with Apple directly?  Sounds a little
   thin especially when you consider the additional costs over seas
   but I may be wrong.

   BTW, if Andy can get better deals with in the US with US dollars
   from Apple I’d be happy to be a proxy for that transaction and for
   no charge other than the cost of the unit and shipping.  Just an
   idea if there are any excessive import charges or anything.
   Also, as Andy mentioned, Ebay may be a very good option.  I don’t
   know how popular craigslist is in the UK but here it’s very
   popular and lots of Mac products can be had for a deep discount if
   you know what you’re looking for.

   Either way, hope all works out well.

   Let me know if I can be of help.


   On Jun 30, 2016, at 6:55 AM, Simon Fogarty
   <si...@blinky-net.com <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

   Hi Andy,
   500 pounds is a lot of cash,
   If you have access to a computer that your comfortable surfing
   the net with, I’d suggest having a look at the apple website
   for the uk and see what they have in the way of refurbished
   devices.
   500 pounds might be enough to get a refurbished mac book air I
   find the 11 inch great, same keyboard processor ram and ssd as
   

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Scott Granados]

I’ve got a 32 GB crucial kit in my 2011.  Totally unapproved by apple but works 
none the less.  The last thing they wanted was you buying your own ram for a 
3rd or even deeper a discount than the Apple pricing.

> On Jul 1, 2016, at 5:44 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   Unless that 32gigs is unofficial, the max is 16 on the mid 2012 MBP 
> according to Crucial.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 7/1/2016 4:20 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Simon, FYI, you can go up to 32 GB on the 2011 - 12 models.  Crucial and
>> I think Kingston make 1 for 1 replacement modules and the OS recognizes
>> 32 GB just fine.  Sucks you can’t do this on the late model hardware.
>> I’d love to have more than 16GB and it bothers me Apple forces you to
>> that limit because you can’t upgrade your own ram.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com
>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ,
>>> 
>>> I know this is late to you but a 2011 mac book pro isn’t a bad machine,
>>> It will take up to 16 gig of ram and with a dvd drive you could take
>>> the hard drive out and put in an SSD, I did this recently with a
>>> similar model I think it was a 2013 version of same size etc.
>>> The machine was then working like a mac book air for speed but weight
>>> was twice the size still bloody light compared to some windows machines.
>>> 
>>> As for the 2015 mac book air for 625,
>>> 
>>> Depending on what your wanting to spend, I would go the mac book air.
>>> Lighter, faster unless you modify the harddrive and ram,  but
>>> Probably not as much storage space
>>> The MBA also has wifi AC and USB 3 and thunderbolt  where as the 2011
>>> mac book pro has 2 USB 2, possibly 3 but I don’t think so.
>>> Firewire 800 and 400, mini display port and possibly SD slot
>>> And a bigger screan,
>>> 
>>> I personally would look at the mac book air but that is me.
>>> Oh check the harddrive storage space in the mac book air, see how it
>>> matchs up to the mac book pro.
>>> 
>>> Good luck.
>>> *From:* m andacvisionar...@googlegroups.com
>>> <mailto:andacvisionar...@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>>  *On
>>> Behalf Of *Andy
>>> *Sent:* Friday, 1 July 2016 7:48 AM
>>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott and Simon.
>>> 
>>> Here it is at last from the horses mouth.
>>> 
>>> Thats a MacBook Pro with CD drive the newer models don’t have CD drives.
>>> So the details ar:
>>> MacBook Pro 13inch late 2011 model.
>>> processor: 2.4Ghz Intel Core i5
>>> Memory: 4Gb
>>> 
>>> If you get one cheap you can upgrade the memory etc at minimum cost.
>>> Let me know how you get on.
>>> 
>>> These are the words of the guy who is offering me free one-to-one
>>> training and that's the computer he uses for training at his office in
>>> Glasgow.
>>> 
>>> Late 2011 would seem to me as quite elderly and if these computers are
>>> still available, will be cheeper than the £625 that the Apple store
>>> are wanting for a 2015 13 inch Macbook Air.
>>> 
>>> What do you think guys.  Should I get my other friend to see if he can
>>> pick one up on Ebay or is it perhaps too old, being late 2011?
>>> 
>>> Very best wishes.
>>> Andy.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>- Original Message -
>>>*From:* Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
>>>*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>*Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:21 PM
>>>*Subject:* Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>> 
>>>Hi Simon, 500 pounds is about what 700 US?  Do you think that’s
>>>enough to get in the door with Apple directly?  Sounds a little
>>>thin especially when you consider the additional costs over seas
>>>but I may be wrong.
>>> 
>>>BTW, if Andy can get better deals with in the US with US dollars
>>>from Apple I’d be happy to be a proxy for that transaction and for
>>>no charge other than the cost of the unit and shipping.  Just an
>>>idea if th

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[E.T.]

   Unless that 32gigs is unofficial, the max is 16 on the mid 2012 MBP 
according to Crucial.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/1/2016 4:20 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Simon, FYI, you can go up to 32 GB on the 2011 - 12 models.  Crucial and
I think Kingston make 1 for 1 replacement modules and the OS recognizes
32 GB just fine.  Sucks you can’t do this on the late model hardware.
 I’d love to have more than 16GB and it bothers me Apple forces you to
that limit because you can’t upgrade your own ram.



On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com
<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

,

I know this is late to you but a 2011 mac book pro isn’t a bad machine,
It will take up to 16 gig of ram and with a dvd drive you could take
the hard drive out and put in an SSD, I did this recently with a
similar model I think it was a 2013 version of same size etc.
The machine was then working like a mac book air for speed but weight
was twice the size still bloody light compared to some windows machines.

As for the 2015 mac book air for 625,

Depending on what your wanting to spend, I would go the mac book air.
Lighter, faster unless you modify the harddrive and ram,  but
 Probably not as much storage space
The MBA also has wifi AC and USB 3 and thunderbolt  where as the 2011
mac book pro has 2 USB 2, possibly 3 but I don’t think so.
Firewire 800 and 400, mini display port and possibly SD slot
 And a bigger screan,

I personally would look at the mac book air but that is me.
Oh check the harddrive storage space in the mac book air, see how it
matchs up to the mac book pro.

Good luck.
*From:* m andacvisionar...@googlegroups.com
<mailto:andacvisionar...@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 *On
Behalf Of *Andy
*Sent:* Friday, 1 July 2016 7:48 AM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Scott and Simon.

Here it is at last from the horses mouth.

Thats a MacBook Pro with CD drive the newer models don’t have CD drives.
So the details ar:
MacBook Pro 13inch late 2011 model.
processor: 2.4Ghz Intel Core i5
Memory: 4Gb

If you get one cheap you can upgrade the memory etc at minimum cost.
Let me know how you get on.

These are the words of the guy who is offering me free one-to-one
training and that's the computer he uses for training at his office in
Glasgow.

Late 2011 would seem to me as quite elderly and if these computers are
still available, will be cheeper than the £625 that the Apple store
are wanting for a 2015 13 inch Macbook Air.

What do you think guys.  Should I get my other friend to see if he can
pick one up on Ebay or is it perhaps too old, being late 2011?

Very best wishes.
Andy.


- Original Message -
*From:* Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:21 PM
*Subject:* Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Simon, 500 pounds is about what 700 US?  Do you think that’s
enough to get in the door with Apple directly?  Sounds a little
thin especially when you consider the additional costs over seas
but I may be wrong.

BTW, if Andy can get better deals with in the US with US dollars
from Apple I’d be happy to be a proxy for that transaction and for
no charge other than the cost of the unit and shipping.  Just an
idea if there are any excessive import charges or anything.
Also, as Andy mentioned, Ebay may be a very good option.  I don’t
know how popular craigslist is in the UK but here it’s very
popular and lots of Mac products can be had for a deep discount if
you know what you’re looking for.

Either way, hope all works out well.

Let me know if I can be of help.


On Jun 30, 2016, at 6:55 AM, Simon Fogarty
<si...@blinky-net.com <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Andy,
500 pounds is a lot of cash,
If you have access to a computer that your comfortable surfing
the net with, I’d suggest having a look at the apple website
for the uk and see what they have in the way of refurbished
devices.
500 pounds might be enough to get a refurbished mac book air I
find the 11 inch great, same keyboard processor ram and ssd as
the 13 inch just smaller screan size.
Good luck and hey if you don’t buy or find one now, then you
have time to save more for another day and the more you have
can always be a good thing.
*From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 *On
Behalf Of *Andy
*Sent:* Thursday, 30 June 2016 4:54 AM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<

RE: Mac book recommendation please

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi andy,

You have both mac book air 11 & 13 inch,

And then the mac book pro start at 13 inch and go to 15 & 17
The differences are processor increases ram increases, hard drive gets bigger 
but more specifically pros are thicker in body and better quality screan res  
but basically more powerfull machines

Either option the air or pro lines are great devices but for the pricing which 
can get crazy high in the pro options.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2016 5:25 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi again Scott.

I'vde not yet replied to today's messages, but rather started going through 
older messages to try and catch up.

I'm thinking quite seriously now of simply going for a Macbook Air 13 inch 
second hand.

I'm slightly confused though Scott.  Did you refer to the 13 and 15 inch 
versions as Macbook Pro's or Macbook Air's???

On 17 July, I'll have the funds to get what I want and of course Scott, I want 
to make the right decision.


Andy.

- Original Message -
From: Scott Granados<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from the original post you just 
needed the laptop for a one time use for training.

There’s a lot of ways to go.


The air is the thinnest model.  It has a real keyboard with discrete keys.  The 
spread between the keys is surprisingly good especially for the size.  I’d go 
with the larger 13 inch model for more hand room.

Let me try to clear up some of the confusion on the different models.

The Macbook is the least powerful version.  It uses a mobile processor and 
probably isn’t for you in that it is very under powered.  I’m not sure what 
Apple was thinking market wise with this device but if I were you I’d skip it.

The Air is a nice super thin model.  Would be great for your traveling and fits 
nicely in a bag or you can get it a nice hard shell covering.  It’s maybe a 
quarter inch thick, has great battery life and you can get an I5 or I7 model 
depending on your processing needs.  This model has been around a while so you 
may also buy previous years versions or on the second hand market to save some 
extra money.

Then you have the pro of where there are two types, the 13 inch an 15 inch.  
Other than screen size difference the 15 inch model can have more processing 
power.

About processing power, I know that can be confusing.  Typically with Apple 
you’re dealing with either an I5 or I7.  These are Intel processors where think 
of the number as a grade or class.  A 7 is a more powerful processor than a 5.
When you hear the word cores mentioned, processors now have more than one 
physical processing component or core on a single piece of silicon.  So in one 
slot you may actually have 2 or 4 processors in the case of Apple or other 
devices 12 or more cores or processors per slot.  The more cores means more 
processing units to bring to bare on your tasks.  The way these get assigned 
and used is way outside the scope here and I don’t want to confuse you worse.  
Just as a general  rule the more cores and better quality processor the better 
for performance.  You need to decide whether you want to spend more or less 
here.

The 13 inch and 15 inch pros have been around a good long while so you have 
lots of previous year options if you want to save some money and you can also 
go with a factory refurbished option direct from Apple.  Again you can speak to 
your budget needs best.

The 15 inch model has a bit better graphics card, obviously slightly larger 
screen and all models of the pro have a very good keyboard.  Feels a lot like 
the air but with a little more throw on the keys but not enough to drastically 
impact your experience I don’t think.

The best thing I could suggest is if you can have a feel of the units.  I don’t 
know what your computer buying options are in Scotland but here in the states 
we have stores where they are all set up to touch and type on.  I know you have 
an Apple store there but you may have another store geographically closer to 
you for convenience.

If I were you I’d go with the air for portability reasons if you like to travel 
a lot or if you feel you need a lot of horsepower in a mobile package the 13 
inch pro should have more than enough juice.  If you want to go top of the line 
and spend spend spend go 15 inch but I’m not sure you’ll gain a lot of 
functionality for the money.  I’m an engineer, use the heck out of my laptop 
and a 13 inch model did me just fine.

The Mini isn’t for you if you want to travel.  It’s still a desktop so you’ll 
be carrying a separate monitor, keyboard, the associated cables and the mini 
itself.  If you want a decent home desktop or me

RE: Mac book recommendation please

[Simon Fogarty]

Hey Scott,

Interesting,

Apple told me that it was 16 on a 2011 mac book pro I’m about to update to ssd 
and ram.
Might go look at the model again in case they miss informed.

Cheers.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, 1 July 2016 11:20 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Simon, FYI, you can go up to 32 GB on the 2011 - 12 models.  Crucial and I 
think Kingston make 1 for 1 replacement modules and the OS recognizes 32 GB 
just fine.  Sucks you can’t do this on the late model hardware.  I’d love to 
have more than 16GB and it bothers me Apple forces you to that limit because 
you can’t upgrade your own ram.


On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

,

I know this is late to you but a 2011 mac book pro isn’t a bad machine,
It will take up to 16 gig of ram and with a dvd drive you could take the hard 
drive out and put in an SSD, I did this recently with a similar model I think 
it was a 2013 version of same size etc.
The machine was then working like a mac book air for speed but weight was twice 
the size still bloody light compared to some windows machines.

As for the 2015 mac book air for 625,

Depending on what your wanting to spend, I would go the mac book air.
Lighter, faster unless you modify the harddrive and ram,  but
 Probably not as much storage space
The MBA also has wifi AC and USB 3 and thunderbolt  where as the 2011 mac book 
pro has 2 USB 2, possibly 3 but I don’t think so.
Firewire 800 and 400, mini display port and possibly SD slot
 And a bigger screan,

I personally would look at the mac book air but that is me.
Oh check the harddrive storage space in the mac book air, see how it matchs up 
to the mac book pro.

Good luck.
From: m 
andacvisionar...@googlegroups.com<mailto:andacvisionar...@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Friday, 1 July 2016 7:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Scott and Simon.

Here it is at last from the horses mouth.

Thats a MacBook Pro with CD drive the newer models don’t have CD drives.
So the details ar:
MacBook Pro 13inch late 2011 model.
processor: 2.4Ghz Intel Core i5
Memory: 4Gb

If you get one cheap you can upgrade the memory etc at minimum cost.
Let me know how you get on.

These are the words of the guy who is offering me free one-to-one training and 
that's the computer he uses for training at his office in Glasgow.

Late 2011 would seem to me as quite elderly and if these computers are still 
available, will be cheeper than the £625 that the Apple store are wanting for a 
2015 13 inch Macbook Air.

What do you think guys.  Should I get my other friend to see if he can pick one 
up on Ebay or is it perhaps too old, being late 2011?

Very best wishes.
Andy.

- Original Message -
From: Scott Granados<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Simon, 500 pounds is about what 700 US?  Do you think that’s enough to get 
in the door with Apple directly?  Sounds a little thin especially when you 
consider the additional costs over seas but I may be wrong.

BTW, if Andy can get better deals with in the US with US dollars from Apple I’d 
be happy to be a proxy for that transaction and for no charge other than the 
cost of the unit and shipping.  Just an idea if there are any excessive import 
charges or anything.   Also, as Andy mentioned, Ebay may be a very good option. 
 I don’t know how popular craigslist is in the UK but here it’s very popular 
and lots of Mac products can be had for a deep discount if you know what you’re 
looking for.

Either way, hope all works out well.

Let me know if I can be of help.

On Jun 30, 2016, at 6:55 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Andy,
500 pounds is a lot of cash,
If you have access to a computer that your comfortable surfing the net with, 
I’d suggest having a look at the apple website for the uk and see what they 
have in the way of refurbished devices.
500 pounds might be enough to get a refurbished mac book air I find the 11 inch 
great, same keyboard processor ram and ssd as the 13 inch just smaller screan 
size.
Good luck and hey if you don’t buy or find one now, then you have time to save 
more for another day and the more you have can always be a good thing.
From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016 4:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: R

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Scott Granados]

Andy, if you go to the Apple site there’s a great deal of well laid out 
information.  You can click on the model of your choice and it shows you the 
available configuration options.  Might confuse you but also might be a good 
resource once you get your self familiar.

Good luck.

> On Jul 1, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi John.
> 
> I'm getting slightly confused as usual again!
> 
> You said that you purchased a 13 Pro.  Are you talking about a Macbook Pro or 
> a Macbook Air Pro?
> 
> It's important John as I'm very close to making my mind up as which way to go 
> and to be honest with you, the Apple Store in Glasgow seems to have the 
> answer, though very expensive.
> 
> Andy.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: jaan ali <mailto:jaanalioffic...@hotmail.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 1:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>> 
>> I want to contribute as well the thing is that that in 15 inch there is more 
>> space on the side which I don't like it personally  but 13 inch pro is best 
>> I have 13 inch Pro  2015 core i7  16gb ram   512gb storage
>> I bought it refurnish from the Apple directly
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> DISCLAIMER:
>> "The information contained in this message is confidential and may be 
>> protected by legal privilege. It is intended only for
>> the person(s) named as addressee. The dissemination, distribution,copying or 
>> disclosure of this message, or its contents is
>> strictly prohibited unless authorized by the sender. If you have received 
>> this message in error, please notify to the sender at the above address and 
>> delete the email."
>> 
>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com 
>> <mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Scott.
>>> 
>>> This is exactly the kind of information I've been seeking for some days now 
>>> with no luck.  You've gave me a bit to ponder but I'm very atracted to the 
>>> Macbook Air 13 inch with the better keyboard at this time.
>>> See.  Now we are getting somewhare.  It's easy for me now to get my mate to 
>>> search on Ebay, though a re-furnished model from the Apple Store may very 
>>> well be worth considering.  So a phone call tomorrow is on the cards and 
>>> who knows, I may be able to go for my first training session after next 
>>> week?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Very best wishes.
>>> Andy.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from the original post you 
>>>> just needed the laptop for a one time use for training.
>>>> 
>>>> There’s a lot of ways to go.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The air is the thinnest model.  It has a real keyboard with discrete keys. 
>>>>  The spread between the keys is surprisingly good especially for the size. 
>>>>  I’d go with the larger 13 inch model for more hand room.
>>>> 
>>>> Let me try to clear up some of the confusion on the different models.
>>>> 
>>>> The Macbook is the least powerful version.  It uses a mobile processor and 
>>>> probably isn’t for you in that it is very under powered.  I’m not sure 
>>>> what Apple was thinking market wise with this device but if I were you I’d 
>>>> skip it.
>>>> 
>>>> The Air is a nice super thin model.  Would be great for your traveling and 
>>>> fits nicely in a bag or you can get it a nice hard shell covering.  It’s 
>>>> maybe a quarter inch thick, has great battery life and you can get an I5 
>>>> or I7 model depending on your processing needs.  This model has been 
>>>> around a while so you may also buy previous years versions or on the 
>>>> second hand market to save some extra money.
>>>> 
>>>> Then you have the pro of where there are two types, the 13 inch an 15 
>>>> inch.  Other than screen size difference the 15 inch model can have more 
>>>> processing power.
>>>> 
>>>> A

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Scott Granados]

Hi Andy, sorry for the confusion here’s what you need to clear it up.

There are two product lines you’re talking about.  One consists of the 11inch 
and 13inch Macbook Air. When you hear air think light and airy.  This product 
line gives you good power, a good keyboard, a 11inch or 13inch screen, up to aa 
dual core or two processor I7, a good amount (512 I believe) gigs of storage, 
good battery life and again very thin and light.  Remember light and airy = the 
Apple Air.

The Pro or Macbook pro is another entirely different product line.  These come 
in 13 and 15 inch models.  They used to have a 17 inch model way back in the 
day but sadly that’s long gone.  So right away you see the difference is no 11 
inch model.  The next thing is in the present release you can have up to a very 
speedy 4 core or 4 processor I7, up to a Terabyte of storage and 16 GB of 
memory.  You get better graphics, a pretty similar and also very nice keyboard, 
and several good ports including thunderbolts and an SD card slot.  The pro can 
be much more expensive depending heading north of 2300 pounds for a fully 
loaded 15 inch.
The pros also come in older and newer models.  When we speak of a 2011 
model we mean that years release.  New models like the 2015 have no hard disk 
but use solid state memory so the performance is 40 or 50 times faster than a 
traditional rotating disk.  Obviously the newer you buy you also get more 
processing power but you get more cost to go along with it.

So think light and airy for the air and larger and more feature packed as well 
as more expensive for the pro.

For what you want to do, I say go 13 inch air with say medium storage of 256GB 
and an I7 if you can swing it.  Anything you end up air or pro you’ll be happy. 
 The Air in a nice spec or hard shell case will also look good in the pub.:)





> On Jul 1, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi again Scott.
> 
> I'vde not yet replied to today's messages, but rather started going through 
> older messages to try and catch up.
> 
> I'm thinking quite seriously now of simply going for a Macbook Air 13 inch 
> second hand.
> 
> I'm slightly confused though Scott.  Did you refer to the 13 and 15 inch 
> versions as Macbook Pro's or Macbook Air's???
> 
> On 17 July, I'll have the funds to get what I want and of course Scott, I 
> want to make the right decision.
> 
> 
> Andy.
> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>> 
>> Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from the original post you 
>> just needed the laptop for a one time use for training.
>> 
>> There’s a lot of ways to go.
>> 
>> 
>> The air is the thinnest model.  It has a real keyboard with discrete keys.  
>> The spread between the keys is surprisingly good especially for the size.  
>> I’d go with the larger 13 inch model for more hand room.
>> 
>> Let me try to clear up some of the confusion on the different models.
>> 
>> The Macbook is the least powerful version.  It uses a mobile processor and 
>> probably isn’t for you in that it is very under powered.  I’m not sure what 
>> Apple was thinking market wise with this device but if I were you I’d skip 
>> it.
>> 
>> The Air is a nice super thin model.  Would be great for your traveling and 
>> fits nicely in a bag or you can get it a nice hard shell covering.  It’s 
>> maybe a quarter inch thick, has great battery life and you can get an I5 or 
>> I7 model depending on your processing needs.  This model has been around a 
>> while so you may also buy previous years versions or on the second hand 
>> market to save some extra money.
>> 
>> Then you have the pro of where there are two types, the 13 inch an 15 inch.  
>> Other than screen size difference the 15 inch model can have more processing 
>> power.
>> 
>> About processing power, I know that can be confusing.  Typically with Apple 
>> you’re dealing with either an I5 or I7.  These are Intel processors where 
>> think of the number as a grade or class.  A 7 is a more powerful processor 
>> than a 5.
>> When you hear the word cores mentioned, processors now have more than one 
>> physical processing component or core on a single piece of silicon.  So in 
>> one slot you may actually have 2 or 4 processors in the case of Apple or 
>> other devices 12 or more cores or processors per slot.  The more cores means 
>> more processing units to bring to bare on your tasks.  The way these get

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Andy]

Hi John.

I'm getting slightly confused as usual again!

You said that you purchased a 13 Pro.  Are you talking about a Macbook Pro or a 
Macbook Air Pro?

It's important John as I'm very close to making my mind up as which way to go 
and to be honest with you, the Apple Store in Glasgow seems to have the answer, 
though very expensive.

Andy.
  - Original Message - 
  From: jaan ali 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 1:32 AM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  I want to contribute as well the thing is that that in 15 inch there is more 
space on the side which I don't like it personally  but 13 inch pro is best I 
have 13 inch Pro  2015 core i7  16gb ram   512gb storage 
  I bought it refurnish from the Apple directly


  Sent from my iPhone


  DISCLAIMER:
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protected by legal privilege. It is intended only for 
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  On Jun 28, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi Scott.

This is exactly the kind of information I've been seeking for some days now 
with no luck.  You've gave me a bit to ponder but I'm very atracted to the 
Macbook Air 13 inch with the better keyboard at this time.
See.  Now we are getting somewhare.  It's easy for me now to get my mate to 
search on Ebay, though a re-furnished model from the Apple Store may very well 
be worth considering.  So a phone call tomorrow is on the cards and who knows, 
I may be able to go for my first training session after next week?


Very best wishes.
Andy.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM
      Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from the original post you 
just needed the laptop for a one time use for training. 


  There’s a lot of ways to go.




  The air is the thinnest model.  It has a real keyboard with discrete 
keys.  The spread between the keys is surprisingly good especially for the 
size.  I’d go with the larger 13 inch model for more hand room.


  Let me try to clear up some of the confusion on the different models.


  The Macbook is the least powerful version.  It uses a mobile processor 
and probably isn’t for you in that it is very under powered.  I’m not sure what 
Apple was thinking market wise with this device but if I were you I’d skip it.


  The Air is a nice super thin model.  Would be great for your traveling 
and fits nicely in a bag or you can get it a nice hard shell covering.  It’s 
maybe a quarter inch thick, has great battery life and you can get an I5 or I7 
model depending on your processing needs.  This model has been around a while 
so you may also buy previous years versions or on the second hand market to 
save some extra money.


  Then you have the pro of where there are two types, the 13 inch an 15 
inch.  Other than screen size difference the 15 inch model can have more 
processing power.


  About processing power, I know that can be confusing.  Typically with 
Apple you’re dealing with either an I5 or I7.  These are Intel processors where 
think of the number as a grade or class.  A 7 is a more powerful processor than 
a 5.
  When you hear the word cores mentioned, processors now have more than one 
physical processing component or core on a single piece of silicon.  So in one 
slot you may actually have 2 or 4 processors in the case of Apple or other 
devices 12 or more cores or processors per slot.  The more cores means more 
processing units to bring to bare on your tasks.  The way these get assigned 
and used is way outside the scope here and I don’t want to confuse you worse.  
Just as a general  rule the more cores and better quality processor the better 
for performance.  You need to decide whether you want to spend more or less 
here.  


  The 13 inch and 15 inch pros have been around a good long while so you 
have lots of previous year options if you want to save some money and you can 
also go with a factory refurbished option direct from Apple.  Again you can 
speak to your budget needs best.


  The 15 inch model has a bit better graphics card, obviously slightly 
larger screen and all models of the pro have a very good keyboard.  Feels a lot 
like the air but with a little more throw on the keys but not enough to 
drastically impact your experience I don’t think.


  The best thing I could suggest is if you can have a feel of the units.  I 
don’t know what your computer buying options

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Andy]

Hi again Scott.

I'vde not yet replied to today's messages, but rather started going through 
older messages to try and catch up.

I'm thinking quite seriously now of simply going for a Macbook Air 13 inch 
second hand.

I'm slightly confused though Scott.  Did you refer to the 13 and 15 inch 
versions as Macbook Pro's or Macbook Air's???

On 17 July, I'll have the funds to get what I want and of course Scott, I want 
to make the right decision.


Andy.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from the original post you 
just needed the laptop for a one time use for training.


  There’s a lot of ways to go.




  The air is the thinnest model.  It has a real keyboard with discrete keys.  
The spread between the keys is surprisingly good especially for the size.  I’d 
go with the larger 13 inch model for more hand room.


  Let me try to clear up some of the confusion on the different models.


  The Macbook is the least powerful version.  It uses a mobile processor and 
probably isn’t for you in that it is very under powered.  I’m not sure what 
Apple was thinking market wise with this device but if I were you I’d skip it.


  The Air is a nice super thin model.  Would be great for your traveling and 
fits nicely in a bag or you can get it a nice hard shell covering.  It’s maybe 
a quarter inch thick, has great battery life and you can get an I5 or I7 model 
depending on your processing needs.  This model has been around a while so you 
may also buy previous years versions or on the second hand market to save some 
extra money.


  Then you have the pro of where there are two types, the 13 inch an 15 inch.  
Other than screen size difference the 15 inch model can have more processing 
power.


  About processing power, I know that can be confusing.  Typically with Apple 
you’re dealing with either an I5 or I7.  These are Intel processors where think 
of the number as a grade or class.  A 7 is a more powerful processor than a 5.
  When you hear the word cores mentioned, processors now have more than one 
physical processing component or core on a single piece of silicon.  So in one 
slot you may actually have 2 or 4 processors in the case of Apple or other 
devices 12 or more cores or processors per slot.  The more cores means more 
processing units to bring to bare on your tasks.  The way these get assigned 
and used is way outside the scope here and I don’t want to confuse you worse.  
Just as a general  rule the more cores and better quality processor the better 
for performance.  You need to decide whether you want to spend more or less 
here.  


  The 13 inch and 15 inch pros have been around a good long while so you have 
lots of previous year options if you want to save some money and you can also 
go with a factory refurbished option direct from Apple.  Again you can speak to 
your budget needs best.


  The 15 inch model has a bit better graphics card, obviously slightly larger 
screen and all models of the pro have a very good keyboard.  Feels a lot like 
the air but with a little more throw on the keys but not enough to drastically 
impact your experience I don’t think.


  The best thing I could suggest is if you can have a feel of the units.  I 
don’t know what your computer buying options are in Scotland but here in the 
states we have stores where they are all set up to touch and type on.  I know 
you have an Apple store there but you may have another store geographically 
closer to you for convenience.


  If I were you I’d go with the air for portability reasons if you like to 
travel a lot or if you feel you need a lot of horsepower in a mobile package 
the 13 inch pro should have more than enough juice.  If you want to go top of 
the line and spend spend spend go 15 inch but I’m not sure you’ll gain a lot of 
functionality for the money.  I’m an engineer, use the heck out of my laptop 
and a 13 inch model did me just fine.


  The Mini isn’t for you if you want to travel.  It’s still a desktop so you’ll 
be carrying a separate monitor, keyboard, the associated cables and the mini 
itself.  If you want a decent home desktop or media server type deal the Mini 
is a decent option.  If you want to travel though I’d take that off your list.


  Let me know if I can help any further.


  Good luck with your travels and apple purchase.




On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Oh Scott.

I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later 
this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being stuck in 
a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later this year 
if I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need something to keep 
me in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I

RE: Mac book recommendation please

[Simon Fogarty]

,

I know this is late to you but a 2011 mac book pro isn’t a bad machine,
It will take up to 16 gig of ram and with a dvd drive you could take the hard 
drive out and put in an SSD, I did this recently with a similar model I think 
it was a 2013 version of same size etc.
The machine was then working like a mac book air for speed but weight was twice 
the size still bloody light compared to some windows machines.

As for the 2015 mac book air for 625,

Depending on what your wanting to spend, I would go the mac book air.
Lighter, faster unless you modify the harddrive and ram,  but
 Probably not as much storage space
The MBA also has wifi AC and USB 3 and thunderbolt  where as the 2011 mac book 
pro has 2 USB 2, possibly 3 but I don’t think so.
Firewire 800 and 400, mini display port and possibly SD slot
 And a bigger screan,

I personally would look at the mac book air but that is me.
Oh check the harddrive storage space in the mac book air, see how it matchs up 
to the mac book pro.

Good luck.
From: m andacvisionar...@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Friday, 1 July 2016 7:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Scott and Simon.

Here it is at last from the horses mouth.

Thats a MacBook Pro with CD drive the newer models don’t have CD drives.
So the details ar:
MacBook Pro 13inch late 2011 model.
processor: 2.4Ghz Intel Core i5
Memory: 4Gb

If you get one cheap you can upgrade the memory etc at minimum cost.
Let me know how you get on.

These are the words of the guy who is offering me free one-to-one training and 
that's the computer he uses for training at his office in Glasgow.

Late 2011 would seem to me as quite elderly and if these computers are still 
available, will be cheeper than the £625 that the Apple store are wanting for a 
2015 13 inch Macbook Air.

What do you think guys.  Should I get my other friend to see if he can pick one 
up on Ebay or is it perhaps too old, being late 2011?

Very best wishes.
Andy.

- Original Message -
From: Scott Granados<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Simon, 500 pounds is about what 700 US?  Do you think that’s enough to get 
in the door with Apple directly?  Sounds a little thin especially when you 
consider the additional costs over seas but I may be wrong.

BTW, if Andy can get better deals with in the US with US dollars from Apple I’d 
be happy to be a proxy for that transaction and for no charge other than the 
cost of the unit and shipping.  Just an idea if there are any excessive import 
charges or anything.   Also, as Andy mentioned, Ebay may be a very good option. 
 I don’t know how popular craigslist is in the UK but here it’s very popular 
and lots of Mac products can be had for a deep discount if you know what you’re 
looking for.

Either way, hope all works out well.

Let me know if I can be of help.

On Jun 30, 2016, at 6:55 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Andy,
500 pounds is a lot of cash,
If you have access to a computer that your comfortable surfing the net with, 
I’d suggest having a look at the apple website for the uk and see what they 
have in the way of refurbished devices.
500 pounds might be enough to get a refurbished mac book air I find the 11 inch 
great, same keyboard processor ram and ssd as the 13 inch just smaller screan 
size.
Good luck and hey if you don’t buy or find one now, then you have time to save 
more for another day and the more you have can always be a good thing.
From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016 4:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
Hi Symon.
I think I should be able to put my hands on £500, if I tighten my belt a little 
more.  So do you think that a refurnished Macbook from the Apple store would be 
possible or do I need to save a little more?
I'm looking for a computer that is tactyle and is running El Capitan, so 
herhaps I may have just enough.
Once I talk to Apple tomorrow, I'll get back to all and I'll, hopefully, be a 
happy chappy.
Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message -
From: Simon Fogarty<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:45 AM
Subject: RE: Mac book recommendation please
Hi Andy,
  Mac book air second hand,
When you say second hand, how old are we talking?
This could be the difference between using up to date OS and not.
Also do you know much about it as in specs and condition of it?
And as for what scott sai

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[E.T.]

   A useful resource for looking up specs specs on all Macbook Pro models.

<http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/index-macbookpro.html>

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/30/2016 12:48 PM, Andy wrote:

Hi Scott and Simon.

Here it is at last from the horses mouth.

Thats a MacBook Pro with CD drive the newer models don’t have CD drives.
So the details ar:
MacBook Pro 13inch late 2011 model.
processor: 2.4Ghz Intel Core i5
Memory: 4Gb

If you get one cheap you can upgrade the memory etc at minimum cost.
Let me know how you get on.

These are the words of the guy who is offering me free one-to-one
training and that's the computer he uses for training at his office in
Glasgow.

Late 2011 would seem to me as quite elderly and if these computers are
still available, will be cheeper than the £625 that the Apple store are
wanting for a 2015 13 inch Macbook Air.

What do you think guys.  Should I get my other friend to see if he can
pick one up on Ebay or is it perhaps too old, being late 2011?

Very best wishes.
Andy.


- Original Message -
*From:* Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:21 PM
    *Subject:* Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Simon, 500 pounds is about what 700 US?  Do you think that’s
enough to get in the door with Apple directly?  Sounds a little thin
especially when you consider the additional costs over seas but I
may be wrong.

BTW, if Andy can get better deals with in the US with US dollars
from Apple I’d be happy to be a proxy for that transaction and for
no charge other than the cost of the unit and shipping.  Just an
idea if there are any excessive import charges or anything.   Also,
as Andy mentioned, Ebay may be a very good option.  I don’t know how
popular craigslist is in the UK but here it’s very popular and lots
of Mac products can be had for a deep discount if you know what
you’re looking for.

Either way, hope all works out well.

Let me know if I can be of help.


On Jun 30, 2016, at 6:55 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com
<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Andy,
500 pounds is a lot of cash,
If you have access to a computer that your comfortable surfing the
net with, I’d suggest having a look at the apple website for the
uk and see what they have in the way of refurbished devices.
500 pounds might be enough to get a refurbished mac book air I
find the 11 inch great, same keyboard processor ram and ssd as the
13 inch just smaller screan size.
Good luck and hey if you don’t buy or find one now, then you have
time to save more for another day and the more you have can always
be a good thing.
*From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 *On
Behalf Of *Andy
*Sent:* Thursday, 30 June 2016 4:54 AM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
    *Subject:* Re: Mac book recommendation please
Hi Symon.
I think I should be able to put my hands on £500, if I tighten my
belt a little more.  So do you think that a refurnished Macbook
from the Apple store would be possible or do I need to save a
little more?
I'm looking for a computer that is tactyle and is running El
Capitan, so herhaps I may have just enough.
Once I talk to Apple tomorrow, I'll get back to all and I'll,
hopefully, be a happy chappy.
Very best wishes.
Andy.

- Original Message -
*From:* Simon Fogarty <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:45 AM
*Subject:* RE: Mac book recommendation please
Hi Andy,
  Mac book air second hand,
When you say second hand, how old are we talking?
This could be the difference between using up to date OS and not.
Also do you know much about it as in specs and condition of it?
And as for what scott said, anything we can do to assist via
facetime etc just ask
Chers,
Simon f
*From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 *On
Behalf Of *Andy
*Sent:* Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:31 AM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Mac book recommendation please
Hi again Scott.
Thanks for the offer my friend.  Face-time was one of the main
attractions for me to buy an Imac.  I'm very much hoping to
  

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Andy]

Hi Scott and Simon.

Here it is at last from the horses mouth.

Thats a MacBook Pro with CD drive the newer models don’t have CD drives.
So the details ar:
MacBook Pro 13inch late 2011 model.
processor: 2.4Ghz Intel Core i5
Memory: 4Gb  


If you get one cheap you can upgrade the memory etc at minimum cost.
Let me know how you get on.

These are the words of the guy who is offering me free one-to-one training and 
that's the computer he uses for training at his office in Glasgow.

Late 2011 would seem to me as quite elderly and if these computers are still 
available, will be cheeper than the £625 that the Apple store are wanting for a 
2015 13 inch Macbook Air.

What do you think guys.  Should I get my other friend to see if he can pick one 
up on Ebay or is it perhaps too old, being late 2011?

Very best wishes.
Andy.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:21 PM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  Hi Simon, 500 pounds is about what 700 US?  Do you think that’s enough to get 
in the door with Apple directly?  Sounds a little thin especially when you 
consider the additional costs over seas but I may be wrong.


  BTW, if Andy can get better deals with in the US with US dollars from Apple 
I’d be happy to be a proxy for that transaction and for no charge other than 
the cost of the unit and shipping.  Just an idea if there are any excessive 
import charges or anything.   Also, as Andy mentioned, Ebay may be a very good 
option.  I don’t know how popular craigslist is in the UK but here it’s very 
popular and lots of Mac products can be had for a deep discount if you know 
what you’re looking for.


  Either way, hope all works out well.


  Let me know if I can be of help.


On Jun 30, 2016, at 6:55 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:


Hi Andy,

500 pounds is a lot of cash,
If you have access to a computer that your comfortable surfing the net 
with, I’d suggest having a look at the apple website for the uk and see what 
they have in the way of refurbished devices.

500 pounds might be enough to get a refurbished mac book air I find the 11 
inch great, same keyboard processor ram and ssd as the 13 inch just smaller 
screan size.

Good luck and hey if you don’t buy or find one now, then you have time to 
save more for another day and the more you have can always be a good thing.


From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016 4:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Symon.

I think I should be able to put my hands on £500, if I tighten my belt a 
little more.  So do you think that a refurnished Macbook from the Apple store 
would be possible or do I need to save a little more?

I'm looking for a computer that is tactyle and is running El Capitan, so 
herhaps I may have just enough.

Once I talk to Apple tomorrow, I'll get back to all and I'll, hopefully, be 
a happy chappy.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
  - Original Message -
  From: Simon Fogarty
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:45 AM
  Subject: RE: Mac book recommendation please

  Hi Andy,

Mac book air second hand,
  When you say second hand, how old are we talking?

  This could be the difference between using up to date OS and not.

  Also do you know much about it as in specs and condition of it?

  And as for what scott said, anything we can do to assist via facetime etc 
just ask

  Chers,


  Simon f

  From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Andy
  Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:31 AM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

  Hi again Scott.

  Thanks for the offer my friend.  Face-time was one of the main 
attractions for me to buy an Imac.  I'm very much hoping to  be able to talk to 
my wee sister in Canada soon, via my Imac and face-time.  But alass Scott.  I'm 
still right on square one!  I can just about turn my Imac on! It will be months 
before I can use Skype or Face-time. 

  This is why I'm really keen on taking up this training offer in Glasgow.  
All of my friends here, who are sighted, are Windows users.  So I'm out there 
on my own on a limb and despite everything Scott.  I wouldn't have it any other 
way.  It's up to us blind guys to embarras our sighted friends to getting off 
their bums and do something, hahaha.

  But it would be really nice if I had an Apple friend or at least anyone 
who had some understanding of my Imac!

  But in the meantime, I've got this offer of training and it's looking so 
far that the Macbook Air, second-hand, will be my best bet to help me t

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Scott Granados]

Hi Simon, 500 pounds is about what 700 US?  Do you think that’s enough to get 
in the door with Apple directly?  Sounds a little thin especially when you 
consider the additional costs over seas but I may be wrong.

BTW, if Andy can get better deals with in the US with US dollars from Apple I’d 
be happy to be a proxy for that transaction and for no charge other than the 
cost of the unit and shipping.  Just an idea if there are any excessive import 
charges or anything.   Also, as Andy mentioned, Ebay may be a very good option. 
 I don’t know how popular craigslist is in the UK but here it’s very popular 
and lots of Mac products can be had for a deep discount if you know what you’re 
looking for.

Either way, hope all works out well.

Let me know if I can be of help.

> On Jun 30, 2016, at 6:55 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Andy,
> 
> 500 pounds is a lot of cash,
> If you have access to a computer that your comfortable surfing the net with, 
> I’d suggest having a look at the apple website for the uk and see what they 
> have in the way of refurbished devices.
> 
> 500 pounds might be enough to get a refurbished mac book air I find the 11 
> inch great, same keyboard processor ram and ssd as the 13 inch just smaller 
> screan size.
> 
> Good luck and hey if you don’t buy or find one now, then you have time to 
> save more for another day and the more you have can always be a good thing.
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Andy
> Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016 4:54 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
> 
> Hi Symon.
> 
> I think I should be able to put my hands on £500, if I tighten my belt a 
> little more.  So do you think that a refurnished Macbook from the Apple store 
> would be possible or do I need to save a little more?
> 
> I'm looking for a computer that is tactyle and is running El Capitan, so 
> herhaps I may have just enough.
> 
> Once I talk to Apple tomorrow, I'll get back to all and I'll, hopefully, be a 
> happy chappy.
> 
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
> - Original Message -
> From: Simon Fogarty <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:45 AM
> Subject: RE: Mac book recommendation please
> 
> Hi Andy,
> 
>   Mac book air second hand,
> When you say second hand, how old are we talking?
> 
> This could be the difference between using up to date OS and not.
> 
> Also do you know much about it as in specs and condition of it?
> 
> And as for what scott said, anything we can do to assist via facetime etc 
> just ask
> 
> Chers,
> 
> 
> Simon f
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Andy
> Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:31 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
> 
> Hi again Scott.
> 
> Thanks for the offer my friend.  Face-time was one of the main attractions 
> for me to buy an Imac.  I'm very much hoping to  be able to talk to my wee 
> sister in Canada soon, via my Imac and face-time.  But alass Scott.  I'm 
> still right on square one!  I can just about turn my Imac on! It will be 
> months before I can use Skype or Face-time.
> 
> This is why I'm really keen on taking up this training offer in Glasgow.  All 
> of my friends here, who are sighted, are Windows users.  So I'm out there on 
> my own on a limb and despite everything Scott.  I wouldn't have it any other 
> way.  It's up to us blind guys to embarras our sighted friends to getting off 
> their bums and do something, hahaha.
> 
> But it would be really nice if I had an Apple friend or at least anyone who 
> had some understanding of my Imac!
> 
> But in the meantime, I've got this offer of training and it's looking so far 
> that the Macbook Air, second-hand, will be my best bet to help me through the 
> training.
> 
> 
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
> - Original Message f-
> From: Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:12 AM
> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
> 
> Andy, if it’s easier for you to have a quick question and answer ses

RE: Mac book recommendation please

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Andy,

 Just to let you know, I've had a look at the UK apple site and they've got a 
few machines on there with great specs, price is interesting thoug.

 If you can have a look at the URL that follows and it will take you directly 
to the refurbished devices page,  but don't count it out when you see the 
pricing.

Good luck.

http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/browse/home/specialdeals/mac

Simon F

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RE: Mac book recommendation please

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Andy,

500 pounds is a lot of cash,
If you have access to a computer that your comfortable surfing the net with, 
I’d suggest having a look at the apple website for the uk and see what they 
have in the way of refurbished devices.

500 pounds might be enough to get a refurbished mac book air I find the 11 inch 
great, same keyboard processor ram and ssd as the 13 inch just smaller screan 
size.

Good luck and hey if you don’t buy or find one now, then you have time to save 
more for another day and the more you have can always be a good thing.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016 4:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Symon.

I think I should be able to put my hands on £500, if I tighten my belt a little 
more.  So do you think that a refurnished Macbook from the Apple store would be 
possible or do I need to save a little more?

I'm looking for a computer that is tactyle and is running El Capitan, so 
herhaps I may have just enough.

Once I talk to Apple tomorrow, I'll get back to all and I'll, hopefully, be a 
happy chappy.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message -
From: Simon Fogarty<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:45 AM
Subject: RE: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Andy,

  Mac book air second hand,
When you say second hand, how old are we talking?

This could be the difference between using up to date OS and not.

Also do you know much about it as in specs and condition of it?

And as for what scott said, anything we can do to assist via facetime etc just 
ask

Chers,


Simon f

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:31 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi again Scott.

Thanks for the offer my friend.  Face-time was one of the main attractions for 
me to buy an Imac.  I'm very much hoping to  be able to talk to my wee sister 
in Canada soon, via my Imac and face-time.  But alass Scott.  I'm still right 
on square one!  I can just about turn my Imac on! It will be months before I 
can use Skype or Face-time.

This is why I'm really keen on taking up this training offer in Glasgow.  All 
of my friends here, who are sighted, are Windows users.  So I'm out there on my 
own on a limb and despite everything Scott.  I wouldn't have it any other way.  
It's up to us blind guys to embarras our sighted friends to getting off their 
bums and do something, hahaha.

But it would be really nice if I had an Apple friend or at least anyone who had 
some understanding of my Imac!

But in the meantime, I've got this offer of training and it's looking so far 
that the Macbook Air, second-hand, will be my best bet to help me through the 
training.


Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message f-
From: Scott Granados<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Andy, if it’s easier for you to have a quick question and answer session so you 
can gain more information faster I’d be more than happy to Skype / FaceTime / 
call you on the land line and help you work through your buying decision.

That’s if your pressed for time.  Let me know if I can be of any help.

On Jun 28, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Andy 
<meikle.ai...@btinternet.com<mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:

Hi Kimber.

Thank goodness someone at last understood my request.  Yes, the keyboard is 
very important to me  as I've very poor sense of touch.

I've been reading up on the Macbook, the Macbook pro, the Macbook mini and the 
Macbook Air and I'm completely lost and even more confused.

So, it's nice to have your recommendation and I'm feeling that I'm at last 
getting some responce to my enquiries.

You see, I have no experience at all of Apple products.  All of the Mac's I 
mentioned above.  I've never ever seen or touched on and all of my friends are 
Windows, so I'm in a fix.

So thanks again for your responce.  It's getting me thinking.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message -
From: Kimberly<mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a nice 
firmness when typing.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy 
<meikle.ai...@btinternet.com<mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
Oh Scott.

I do need a p

RE: Mac book recommendation please

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Andy,

My first mac book was a mac book pro 13 inch from late 2009
I know for a fact it is still being used today by the person that purchased it 
off me.
They are a really good work horse and  I got another last year which had a 
crack in the screan that  I put a 500 GB ssd and 16 gig of ram in to and apart 
from the weight it works like a mac book air with speed and reliability



If you are looking at refurbished mac books from apple then you know your 
getting a decent deal as it comes with a 12 month warrenty as well as having 
been gone over with a fine tooth comb.
I wouldn’t turn my nose up to a mac book air, the one I have is a great machine

Good luck and hope you find something you like.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016 4:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Simon.

I've had loads of helpful advice from this list today and yes, you are right.  
I'm going to telephone the Apple Store in Glasgow tomorrow and see what they 
may have in refurnished equipment.

I've had so much good advice that it's very difficult.

The guy who gave me the one day training in Glasgow, had a Macbook, which had a 
CD rom on the right hand side.  It was perhaps an older machine and the keys 
were lovely and I really liked that particular computer.

I think it was a Macbook pro of 2012-14 era yet I was assured by my trainer 
that it had never caused him any problems in all of that time.

I'd like to identify that model, but failing that, it's looking like a second 
hand Macbook Air.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message -
From: Simon Fogarty<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:50 AM
Subject: RE: Mac book recommendation please

Andy,

The refurbished devices are a great option,

With one year apple warrenty so you should be covered and the products have all 
been cleaned up and checked to make sure they are up to scratch regarding 
apples quality assurance standards.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Scott.

This is exactly the kind of information I've been seeking for some days now 
with no luck.  You've gave me a bit to ponder but I'm very atracted to the 
Macbook Air 13 inch with the better keyboard at this time.
See.  Now we are getting somewhare.  It's easy for me now to get my mate to 
search on Ebay, though a re-furnished model from the Apple Store may very well 
be worth considering.  So a phone call tomorrow is on the cards and who knows, 
I may be able to go for my first training session after next week?


Very best wishes.
Andy.


- Original Message -
From: Scott Granados<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from the original post you just 
needed the laptop for a one time use for training.

There’s a lot of ways to go.


The air is the thinnest model.  It has a real keyboard with discrete keys.  The 
spread between the keys is surprisingly good especially for the size.  I’d go 
with the larger 13 inch model for more hand room.

Let me try to clear up some of the confusion on the different models.

The Macbook is the least powerful version.  It uses a mobile processor and 
probably isn’t for you in that it is very under powered.  I’m not sure what 
Apple was thinking market wise with this device but if I were you I’d skip it.

The Air is a nice super thin model.  Would be great for your traveling and fits 
nicely in a bag or you can get it a nice hard shell covering.  It’s maybe a 
quarter inch thick, has great battery life and you can get an I5 or I7 model 
depending on your processing needs.  This model has been around a while so you 
may also buy previous years versions or on the second hand market to save some 
extra money.

Then you have the pro of where there are two types, the 13 inch an 15 inch.  
Other than screen size difference the 15 inch model can have more processing 
power.

About processing power, I know that can be confusing.  Typically with Apple 
you’re dealing with either an I5 or I7.  These are Intel processors where think 
of the number as a grade or class.  A 7 is a more powerful processor than a 5.
When you hear the word cores mentioned, processors now have more than one 
physical processing component or core on a single piece of silicon.  So in one 
slot you may actually have 2 or 4 processors in the case of Appl

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

The minimum hardware list for Sierra seems purely punitive to me.  They’ve got 
support for a MacBook, but not the Pro of the same vintage and essentially the 
same 2009 hardware specs?

El Cap was an all right release, but I wouldn’t be going out and buying a Mac 
that couldn’t run the latest.  In practice it’s easy to buy much more than you 
need; just don’t buy too little.  Contemporary MacBooks should be all right, 
except maybe the 2012 model.

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Re: Mac book recommendation please

[christopher hallsworth]

Oh well indeed. Save up for a new mac .
> On 29 Jun 2016, at 22:38, Pete Nalda <lpna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I have a late 2009, and it will not run Sierra. So, oh well :/
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> MySpace.com/musikonalda
> Facebook.com/lpnalda
> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 1:21 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>> <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes and my 2011 Macbook Pro will also run Sierra.
>>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 18:47, Pete Nalda <lpna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oops! El Capitan is the current OS. I meant to say that 2012 mbp will run 
>>> Sierra. 
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Pete Nalda <lpna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> That 2012 MacBook Pro will run El Capitan Jfyi. 
>>>> 
>>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Simon.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've had loads of helpful advice from this list today and yes, you are 
>>>>> right.  I'm going to telephone the Apple Store in Glasgow tomorrow and 
>>>>> see what they may have in refurnished equipment.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've had so much good advice that it's very difficult.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The guy who gave me the one day training in Glasgow, had a Macbook, which 
>>>>> had a CD rom on the right hand side.  It was perhaps an older machine and 
>>>>> the keys were lovely and I really liked that particular computer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think it was a Macbook pro of 2012-14 era yet I was assured by my 
>>>>> trainer that it had never caused him any problems in all of that time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'd like to identify that model, but failing that, it's looking like a 
>>>>> second hand Macbook Air.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>>> Andy.
>>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>>> From: Simon Fogarty
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:50 AM
>>>>> Subject: RE: Mac book recommendation please
>>>>> 
>>>>> Andy,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The refurbished devices are a great option,
>>>>> 
>>>>> With one year apple warrenty so you should be covered and the products 
>>>>> have all been cleaned up and checked to make sure they are up to scratch 
>>>>> regarding apples quality assurance standards.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:43 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Scott.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is exactly the kind of information I've been seeking for some days 
>>>>> now with no luck.  You've gave me a bit to ponder but I'm very atracted 
>>>>> to the Macbook Air 13 inch with the better keyboard at this time.
>>>>> See.  Now we are getting somewhare.  It's easy for me now to get my mate 
>>>>> to search on Ebay, though a re-furnished model from the Apple Store may 
>>>>> very well be worth considering.  So a phone call tomorrow is on the cards 
>>>>> and who knows, I may be able to go for my first training session after 
>>>>> next week?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>>> Andy.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>>> From: Scott Granados
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mac 

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Pete Nalda]

Mine is late 2009. A friend who works at Apple wrote this on Facebook.

"MacBook Pro - 2010 >>
MacBook Air - 2010 >>
Mac Mini - 2010 >>
Mac Pro - 2010 >>
MacBook - late 2009 >>
iMac - late 2009 >>

Doesn't look like 2009 MBP will be compatible :/ "

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
MySpace.com/musikonalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Jun 30, 2016, at 12:52 AM, BBS <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Pete. Which Mac do you have? I read in an article that had the system 
> requirements of Sierra that MacBook models starting from mid 2009 will be 
> able to run it. That's good for me because mine is a mid 2010 and I'll be 
> able to use Sierra.
> 
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Skype Username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pete Nalda
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 4:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
> 
> Yeah, I have a late 2009, and it will not run Sierra. So, oh well :/
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> MySpace.com/musikonalda
> Facebook.com/lpnalda
> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 1:21 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>> <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes and my 2011 Macbook Pro will also run Sierra.
>>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 18:47, Pete Nalda <lpna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oops! El Capitan is the current OS. I meant to say that 2012 mbp will run 
>>> Sierra. 
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Pete Nalda <lpna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> That 2012 MacBook Pro will run El Capitan Jfyi. 
>>>> 
>>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Simon.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've had loads of helpful advice from this list today and yes, you are 
>>>>> right.  I'm going to telephone the Apple Store in Glasgow tomorrow and 
>>>>> see what they may have in refurnished equipment.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've had so much good advice that it's very difficult.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The guy who gave me the one day training in Glasgow, had a Macbook, which 
>>>>> had a CD rom on the right hand side.  It was perhaps an older machine and 
>>>>> the keys were lovely and I really liked that particular computer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think it was a Macbook pro of 2012-14 era yet I was assured by my 
>>>>> trainer that it had never caused him any problems in all of that time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'd like to identify that model, but failing that, it's looking like a 
>>>>> second hand Macbook Air.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>>> Andy.
>>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>>> From: Simon Fogarty
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:50 AM
>>>>> Subject: RE: Mac book recommendation please
>>>>> 
>>>>> Andy,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The refurbished devices are a great option,
>>>>> 
>>>>> With one year apple warrenty so you should be covered and the products 
>>>>> have all been cleaned up and checked to make sure they are up to scratch 
>>>>> regarding apples quality assurance standards.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:43 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>&g

RE: Mac book recommendation please

[BBS]

Hi Pete. Which Mac do you have? I read in an article that had the system 
requirements of Sierra that MacBook models starting from mid 2009 will be able 
to run it. That's good for me because mine is a mid 2010 and I'll be able to 
use Sierra.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Skype Username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Pete Nalda
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 4:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Yeah, I have a late 2009, and it will not run Sierra. So, oh well :/

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
MySpace.com/musikonalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Jun 29, 2016, at 1:21 PM, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Yes and my 2011 Macbook Pro will also run Sierra.
>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 18:47, Pete Nalda <lpna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Oops! El Capitan is the current OS. I meant to say that 2012 mbp will run 
>> Sierra. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Pete Nalda <lpna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That 2012 MacBook Pro will run El Capitan Jfyi. 
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Simon.
>>>> 
>>>> I've had loads of helpful advice from this list today and yes, you are 
>>>> right.  I'm going to telephone the Apple Store in Glasgow tomorrow and see 
>>>> what they may have in refurnished equipment.
>>>> 
>>>> I've had so much good advice that it's very difficult.
>>>> 
>>>> The guy who gave me the one day training in Glasgow, had a Macbook, which 
>>>> had a CD rom on the right hand side.  It was perhaps an older machine and 
>>>> the keys were lovely and I really liked that particular computer.
>>>> 
>>>> I think it was a Macbook pro of 2012-14 era yet I was assured by my 
>>>> trainer that it had never caused him any problems in all of that time.
>>>> 
>>>> I'd like to identify that model, but failing that, it's looking like a 
>>>> second hand Macbook Air.
>>>> 
>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>> Andy.
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: Simon Fogarty
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:50 AM
>>>> Subject: RE: Mac book recommendation please
>>>> 
>>>> Andy,
>>>> 
>>>> The refurbished devices are a great option,
>>>> 
>>>> With one year apple warrenty so you should be covered and the products 
>>>> have all been cleaned up and checked to make sure they are up to scratch 
>>>> regarding apples quality assurance standards.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:43 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Scott.
>>>> 
>>>> This is exactly the kind of information I've been seeking for some days 
>>>> now with no luck.  You've gave me a bit to ponder but I'm very atracted to 
>>>> the Macbook Air 13 inch with the better keyboard at this time.
>>>> See.  Now we are getting somewhare.  It's easy for me now to get my mate 
>>>> to search on Ebay, though a re-furnished model from the Apple Store may 
>>>> very well be worth considering.  So a phone call tomorrow is on the cards 
>>>> and who knows, I may be able to go for my first training session after 
>>>> next week?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>> Andy.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> 

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Pete Nalda]

Yeah, I have a late 2009, and it will not run Sierra. So, oh well :/

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
MySpace.com/musikonalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Jun 29, 2016, at 1:21 PM, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Yes and my 2011 Macbook Pro will also run Sierra.
>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 18:47, Pete Nalda <lpna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Oops! El Capitan is the current OS. I meant to say that 2012 mbp will run 
>> Sierra. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Pete Nalda <lpna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That 2012 MacBook Pro will run El Capitan Jfyi. 
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Simon.
>>>> 
>>>> I've had loads of helpful advice from this list today and yes, you are 
>>>> right.  I'm going to telephone the Apple Store in Glasgow tomorrow and see 
>>>> what they may have in refurnished equipment.
>>>> 
>>>> I've had so much good advice that it's very difficult.
>>>> 
>>>> The guy who gave me the one day training in Glasgow, had a Macbook, which 
>>>> had a CD rom on the right hand side.  It was perhaps an older machine and 
>>>> the keys were lovely and I really liked that particular computer.
>>>> 
>>>> I think it was a Macbook pro of 2012-14 era yet I was assured by my 
>>>> trainer that it had never caused him any problems in all of that time.
>>>> 
>>>> I'd like to identify that model, but failing that, it's looking like a 
>>>> second hand Macbook Air.
>>>> 
>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>> Andy.
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: Simon Fogarty
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:50 AM
>>>> Subject: RE: Mac book recommendation please
>>>> 
>>>> Andy,
>>>> 
>>>> The refurbished devices are a great option,
>>>> 
>>>> With one year apple warrenty so you should be covered and the products 
>>>> have all been cleaned up and checked to make sure they are up to scratch 
>>>> regarding apples quality assurance standards.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:43 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Scott.
>>>> 
>>>> This is exactly the kind of information I've been seeking for some days 
>>>> now with no luck.  You've gave me a bit to ponder but I'm very atracted to 
>>>> the Macbook Air 13 inch with the better keyboard at this time.
>>>> See.  Now we are getting somewhare.  It's easy for me now to get my mate 
>>>> to search on Ebay, though a re-furnished model from the Apple Store may 
>>>> very well be worth considering.  So a phone call tomorrow is on the cards 
>>>> and who knows, I may be able to go for my first training session after 
>>>> next week?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>> Andy.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: Scott Granados
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from the original post you 
>>>> just needed the laptop for a one time use for training. 
>>>> 
>>>> There’s a lot of ways to go.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The air is the thinnest model.  It has a real keyboard with discrete keys. 
>>>>  The spread between the keys is surprisingly good especially for the size. 
>>>>  I’d go

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Scott Granados]

Yes but not fully.

There are already features that the 2011 modem won’t support so be very careful 
here.  Unless you buy a newer machine you may be missing out on some key 
features.  Weight if these are important to you.

Just because the OS boots doesn’t mean everything is available.  You know 
Apple, they like to make their latest hardware work and slowly make the older 
stuff less and less usable over time while claiming to support the platform.

Just be ware, it’s a good lower cost option just make sure what you want to do 
is supported.

> On Jun 29, 2016, at 2:21 PM, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Yes and my 2011 Macbook Pro will also run Sierra.
>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 18:47, Pete Nalda <lpna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Oops! El Capitan is the current OS. I meant to say that 2012 mbp will run 
>> Sierra.
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Pete Nalda <lpna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> That 2012 MacBook Pro will run El Capitan Jfyi.
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Simon.
>>>> 
>>>> I've had loads of helpful advice from this list today and yes, you are 
>>>> right.  I'm going to telephone the Apple Store in Glasgow tomorrow and see 
>>>> what they may have in refurnished equipment.
>>>> 
>>>> I've had so much good advice that it's very difficult.
>>>> 
>>>> The guy who gave me the one day training in Glasgow, had a Macbook, which 
>>>> had a CD rom on the right hand side.  It was perhaps an older machine and 
>>>> the keys were lovely and I really liked that particular computer.
>>>> 
>>>> I think it was a Macbook pro of 2012-14 era yet I was assured by my 
>>>> trainer that it had never caused him any problems in all of that time.
>>>> 
>>>> I'd like to identify that model, but failing that, it's looking like a 
>>>> second hand Macbook Air.
>>>> 
>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>> Andy.
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: Simon Fogarty
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:50 AM
>>>> Subject: RE: Mac book recommendation please
>>>> 
>>>> Andy,
>>>> 
>>>> The refurbished devices are a great option,
>>>> 
>>>> With one year apple warrenty so you should be covered and the products 
>>>> have all been cleaned up and checked to make sure they are up to scratch 
>>>> regarding apples quality assurance standards.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:43 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Scott.
>>>> 
>>>> This is exactly the kind of information I've been seeking for some days 
>>>> now with no luck.  You've gave me a bit to ponder but I'm very atracted to 
>>>> the Macbook Air 13 inch with the better keyboard at this time.
>>>> See.  Now we are getting somewhare.  It's easy for me now to get my mate 
>>>> to search on Ebay, though a re-furnished model from the Apple Store may 
>>>> very well be worth considering.  So a phone call tomorrow is on the cards 
>>>> and who knows, I may be able to go for my first training session after 
>>>> next week?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>> Andy.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: Scott Granados
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from the original post you 
>>>> just needed the laptop for a one time use for training.
&

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[christopher hallsworth]

Yes and my 2011 Macbook Pro will also run Sierra.
> On 29 Jun 2016, at 18:47, Pete Nalda <lpna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Oops! El Capitan is the current OS. I meant to say that 2012 mbp will run 
> Sierra. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> MySpace.com/musikonalda
> Facebook.com/lpnalda
> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Pete Nalda <lpna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> That 2012 MacBook Pro will run El Capitan Jfyi. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Simon.
>>>  
>>> I've had loads of helpful advice from this list today and yes, you are 
>>> right.  I'm going to telephone the Apple Store in Glasgow tomorrow and see 
>>> what they may have in refurnished equipment.
>>>  
>>> I've had so much good advice that it's very difficult.
>>>  
>>> The guy who gave me the one day training in Glasgow, had a Macbook, which 
>>> had a CD rom on the right hand side.  It was perhaps an older machine and 
>>> the keys were lovely and I really liked that particular computer.
>>>  
>>> I think it was a Macbook pro of 2012-14 era yet I was assured by my trainer 
>>> that it had never caused him any problems in all of that time.
>>>  
>>> I'd like to identify that model, but failing that, it's looking like a 
>>> second hand Macbook Air.
>>>  
>>> Very best wishes.
>>> Andy.
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Simon Fogarty
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:50 AM
>>> Subject: RE: Mac book recommendation please
>>> 
>>> Andy,
>>>  
>>> The refurbished devices are a great option,
>>>  
>>> With one year apple warrenty so you should be covered and the products have 
>>> all been cleaned up and checked to make sure they are up to scratch 
>>> regarding apples quality assurance standards.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:43 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>>  
>>> Hi Scott.
>>>  
>>> This is exactly the kind of information I've been seeking for some days now 
>>> with no luck.  You've gave me a bit to ponder but I'm very atracted to the 
>>> Macbook Air 13 inch with the better keyboard at this time.
>>> See.  Now we are getting somewhare.  It's easy for me now to get my mate to 
>>> search on Ebay, though a re-furnished model from the Apple Store may very 
>>> well be worth considering.  So a phone call tomorrow is on the cards and 
>>> who knows, I may be able to go for my first training session after next 
>>> week?
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Very best wishes.
>>> Andy.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Scott Granados
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>>  
>>> Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from the original post you 
>>> just needed the laptop for a one time use for training. 
>>>  
>>> There’s a lot of ways to go.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> The air is the thinnest model.  It has a real keyboard with discrete keys.  
>>> The spread between the keys is surprisingly good especially for the size.  
>>> I’d go with the larger 13 inch model for more hand room.
>>>  
>>> Let me try to clear up some of the confusion on the different models.
>>>  
>>> The Macbook is the least powerful version.  It uses a mobile processor and 
>>> probably isn’t for you in that it is very under powered.  I’m not sure what 
>>> Apple was thinking market wise with this device but if I were you I’d skip 
>>> it.
>>>  
>>> The Air is a nice super thin model.  Would be great for your traveling and 
>>> fits nicely in a bag or you can get it a nice hard shell covering.  It’s 
>>> maybe a quarter inch thick, has great battery life and you can get an I

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Pete Nalda]

Oops! El Capitan is the current OS. I meant to say that 2012 mbp will run 
Sierra. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
MySpace.com/musikonalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Pete Nalda <lpna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That 2012 MacBook Pro will run El Capitan Jfyi. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> MySpace.com/musikonalda
> Facebook.com/lpnalda
> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Simon.
>>  
>> I've had loads of helpful advice from this list today and yes, you are 
>> right.  I'm going to telephone the Apple Store in Glasgow tomorrow and see 
>> what they may have in refurnished equipment.
>>  
>> I've had so much good advice that it's very difficult.
>>  
>> The guy who gave me the one day training in Glasgow, had a Macbook, which 
>> had a CD rom on the right hand side.  It was perhaps an older machine and 
>> the keys were lovely and I really liked that particular computer.
>>  
>> I think it was a Macbook pro of 2012-14 era yet I was assured by my trainer 
>> that it had never caused him any problems in all of that time.
>>  
>> I'd like to identify that model, but failing that, it's looking like a 
>> second hand Macbook Air.
>>  
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Simon Fogarty
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:50 AM
>> Subject: RE: Mac book recommendation please
>> 
>> Andy,
>>  
>> The refurbished devices are a great option,
>>  
>> With one year apple warrenty so you should be covered and the products have 
>> all been cleaned up and checked to make sure they are up to scratch 
>> regarding apples quality assurance standards.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
>> Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:43 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>  
>> Hi Scott.
>>  
>> This is exactly the kind of information I've been seeking for some days now 
>> with no luck.  You've gave me a bit to ponder but I'm very atracted to the 
>> Macbook Air 13 inch with the better keyboard at this time.
>> See.  Now we are getting somewhare.  It's easy for me now to get my mate to 
>> search on Ebay, though a re-furnished model from the Apple Store may very 
>> well be worth considering.  So a phone call tomorrow is on the cards and who 
>> knows, I may be able to go for my first training session after next week?
>>  
>>  
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
>>  
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Scott Granados
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>  
>> Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from  the original post 
>> you just needed the laptop for a one time use for training.
>>  
>> There’s a lot of ways to go.
>>  
>>  
>> The air is the thinnest model.  It has a real keyboard with discrete keys.  
>> The spread between the keys is surprisingly good especially for the size.  
>> I’d go with the larger 13 inch model for more hand room.
>>  
>> Let me try to clear up some of the confusion on the different models.
>>  
>> The Macbook is the least powerful version.  It uses a mobile processor and 
>> probably isn’t for you in that it is very under powered.  I’m not sure what 
>> Apple was thinking market wise with this device but if I were you I’d skip 
>> it.
>>  
>> The Air is a nice super thin model.  Would be great for your traveling and 
>> fits nicely in a bag or you can get it a nice hard shell covering.  It’s 
>> maybe a quarter inch thick, has great battery life and you can get an I5 or 
>> I7 model depending on your processing needs.  This model has been around a 
>> while so you may also buy previous years versions or on the second hand 
>> market to save some extra money.
>>  
>> Then you have the pro of where there are two types, the 13 inch an 15 inch.  
>> Other than screen size difference the 15 inch model can have more processing 
>> power.
>>  
>> About processing power, I know that can be confusing.  Typically with Apple 
>> you’re dealing with either an I5 or I7.  T

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Pete Nalda]

That 2012 MacBook Pro will run El Capitan Jfyi. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
MySpace.com/musikonalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon.
>  
> I've had loads of helpful advice from this list today and yes, you are right. 
>  I'm going to telephone the Apple Store in Glasgow tomorrow and see what they 
> may have in refurnished equipment.
>  
> I've had so much good advice that it's very difficult.
>  
> The guy who gave me the one day training in Glasgow, had a Macbook, which had 
> a CD rom on the right hand side.  It was perhaps an older machine and the 
> keys were lovely and I really liked that particular computer.
>  
> I think it was a Macbook pro of 2012-14 era yet I was assured by my trainer 
> that it had never caused him any problems in all of that time.
>  
> I'd like to identify that model, but failing that, it's looking like a second 
> hand Macbook Air.
>  
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
> - Original Message -
> From: Simon Fogarty
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:50 AM
> Subject: RE: Mac book recommendation please
> 
> Andy,
>  
> The refurbished devices are a great option,
>  
> With one year apple warrenty so you should be covered and the products have 
> all been cleaned up and checked to make sure they are up to scratch regarding 
> apples quality assurance standards.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
> Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:43 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>  
> Hi Scott.
>  
> This is exactly the kind of information I've been seeking for some days now 
> with no luck.  You've gave me a bit to ponder but I'm very atracted to the 
> Macbook Air 13 inch with the better keyboard at this time.
> See.  Now we are getting somewhare.  It's easy for me now to get my mate to 
> search on Ebay, though a re-furnished model from the Apple Store may very 
> well be worth considering.  So a phone call tomorrow is on the cards and who 
> knows, I may be able to go for my first training session after next week?
>  
>  
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Scott Granados
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM
> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>  
> Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from the original post you 
> just needed the laptop for a one time use for training.
>  
> There’s a lot of ways to go.
>  
>  
> The air is the thinnest model.  It has a real keyboard with discrete keys.  
> The spread between the keys is surprisingly good especially for the size.  
> I’d go with the larger 13 inch model for more hand room.
>  
> Let me try to clear up some of the confusion on the different models.
>  
> The Macbook is the least powerful version.  It uses a mobile processor and 
> probably isn’t for you in that it is very under powered.  I’m not sure what 
> Apple was thinking market wise with this device but if I were you I’d skip it.
>  
> The Air is a nice super thin model.  Would be great for your traveling and 
> fits nicely in a bag or you can get it a nice hard shell covering.  It’s 
> maybe a quarter inch thick, has great battery life and you can get an I5 or 
> I7 model depending on your processing needs.  This model has been around a 
> while so you may also buy previous years versions or on the second hand 
> market to save some extra money.
>  
> Then you have the pro of where there are two types, the 13 inch an 15 inch.  
> Other than screen size difference the 15 inch model can have more processing 
> power.
>  
> About processing power, I know that can be confusing.  Typically with Apple 
> you’re dealing with either an I5 or I7.  These are Intel processors where 
> think of the number as a grade or class.  A 7 is a more powerful processor 
> than a 5.
> When you hear the word cores mentioned, processors now have more than one 
> physical processing component or core on a single piece of silicon.  So in 
> one slot you may actually have 2 or 4 processors in the case of Apple or 
> other devices 12 or more cores or processors per slot.  The more cores means 
> more processing units to bring to bare on your tasks.  The way these get 
> assigned and used is way outside the scope here and I don’t want to confuse 
> you worse.  Just as a general  rule the more cores and better quality 
> processor the better for performance.  You need to decide w

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Andy]

Hi Symon.

I think I should be able to put my hands on £500, if I tighten my belt a little 
more.  So do you think that a refurnished Macbook from the Apple store would be 
possible or do I need to save a little more?

I'm looking for a computer that is tactyle and is running El Capitan, so 
herhaps I may have just enough.

Once I talk to Apple tomorrow, I'll get back to all and I'll, hopefully, be a 
happy chappy.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Fogarty 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:45 AM
  Subject: RE: Mac book recommendation please


  Hi Andy,

   

Mac book air second hand, 

  When you say second hand, how old are we talking?

   

  This could be the difference between using up to date OS and not.

   

  Also do you know much about it as in specs and condition of it? 

   

  And as for what scott said, anything we can do to assist via facetime etc 
just ask 

   

  Chers,

   

   

  Simon f

   

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
  Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:31 AM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

   

  Hi again Scott.

   

  Thanks for the offer my friend.  Face-time was one of the main attractions 
for me to buy an Imac.  I'm very much hoping to  be able to talk to my wee 
sister in Canada soon, via my Imac and face-time.  But alass Scott.  I'm still 
right on square one!  I can just about turn my Imac on! It will be months 
before I can use Skype or Face-time.  

   

  This is why I'm really keen on taking up this training offer in Glasgow.  All 
of my friends here, who are sighted, are Windows users.  So I'm out there on my 
own on a limb and despite everything Scott.  I wouldn't have it any other way.  
It's up to us blind guys to embarras our sighted friends to getting off their 
bums and do something, hahaha.

   

  But it would be really nice if I had an Apple friend or at least anyone who 
had some understanding of my Imac!

   

  But in the meantime, I've got this offer of training and it's looking so far 
that the Macbook Air, second-hand, will be my best bet to help me through the 
training.

   

   

  Very best wishes.

  Andy.

- Original Message f- 

From: Scott Granados 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:12 AM

Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

 

Andy, if it’s easier for you to have a quick question and answer session so 
you can gain more information faster I’d be more than happy to Skype / FaceTime 
/ call you on the land line and help you work through your buying decision. 

 

That’s if your pressed for time.  Let me know if I can be of any help.

 

  On Jun 28, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:

   

  Hi Kimber.

   

  Thank goodness someone at last understood my request.  Yes, the keyboard 
is very important to me  as I've very poor sense of touch.

   

  I've been reading up on the Macbook, the Macbook pro, the Macbook mini 
and the Macbook Air and I'm completely lost and even more confused.

   

  So, it's nice to have your recommendation and I'm feeling that I'm at 
last getting some responce to my enquiries.

   

  You see, I have no experience at all of Apple products.  All of the Mac's 
I mentioned above.  I've never ever seen or touched on and all of my friends 
are Windows, so I'm in a fix.

   

  So thanks again for your responce.  It's getting me thinking.

   

  Very best wishes.

  Andy.

- Original Message - 

From: Kimberly

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

 

The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a 
nice firmness when typing.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone


On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:

  Oh Scott.

   

  I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip 
later this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being 
stuck in a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later 
this year if I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need 
something to keep me in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it 
would be quite nice to go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and 
other things, so hiring a mac book is no good.

   

  You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is 
there perhaps something better to consider?

   

  Very best wishes.

  Andy.

   

   

   

  - Original Message - 

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Andy]

Hi Simon.

I've had loads of helpful advice from this list today and yes, you are right.  
I'm going to telephone the Apple Store in Glasgow tomorrow and see what they 
may have in refurnished equipment.

I've had so much good advice that it's very difficult.

The guy who gave me the one day training in Glasgow, had a Macbook, which had a 
CD rom on the right hand side.  It was perhaps an older machine and the keys 
were lovely and I really liked that particular computer.

I think it was a Macbook pro of 2012-14 era yet I was assured by my trainer 
that it had never caused him any problems in all of that time.

I'd like to identify that model, but failing that, it's looking like a second 
hand Macbook Air.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Fogarty 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:50 AM
  Subject: RE: Mac book recommendation please


  Andy,

   

  The refurbished devices are a great option,

   

  With one year apple warrenty so you should be covered and the products have 
all been cleaned up and checked to make sure they are up to scratch regarding 
apples quality assurance standards.

   


   

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
  Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:43 AM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

   

  Hi Scott.

   

  This is exactly the kind of information I've been seeking for some days now 
with no luck.  You've gave me a bit to ponder but I'm very atracted to the 
Macbook Air 13 inch with the better keyboard at this time.

  See.  Now we are getting somewhare.  It's easy for me now to get my mate to 
search on Ebay, though a re-furnished model from the Apple Store may very well 
be worth considering.  So a phone call tomorrow is on the cards and who knows, 
I may be able to go for my first training session after next week?

   

   

  Very best wishes.

  Andy.

   

   

- Original Message - 

From: Scott Granados 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM

Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

 

Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from the original post you 
just needed the laptop for a one time use for training. 

 

There’s a lot of ways to go.

 

 

The air is the thinnest model.  It has a real keyboard with discrete keys.  
The spread between the keys is surprisingly good especially for the size.  I’d 
go with the larger 13 inch model for more hand room.

 

Let me try to clear up some of the confusion on the different models.

 

The Macbook is the least powerful version.  It uses a mobile processor and 
probably isn’t for you in that it is very under powered.  I’m not sure what 
Apple was thinking market wise with this device but if I were you I’d skip it.

 

The Air is a nice super thin model.  Would be great for your traveling and 
fits nicely in a bag or you can get it a nice hard shell covering.  It’s maybe 
a quarter inch thick, has great battery life and you can get an I5 or I7 model 
depending on your processing needs.  This model has been around a while so you 
may also buy previous years versions or on the second hand market to save some 
extra money.

 

Then you have the pro of where there are two types, the 13 inch an 15 inch. 
 Other than screen size difference the 15 inch model can have more processing 
power.

 

About processing power, I know that can be confusing.  Typically with Apple 
you’re dealing with either an I5 or I7.  These are Intel processors where think 
of the number as a grade or class.  A 7 is a more powerful processor than a 5.

When you hear the word cores mentioned, processors now have more than one 
physical processing component or core on a single piece of silicon.  So in one 
slot you may actually have 2 or 4 processors in the case of Apple or other 
devices 12 or more cores or processors per slot.  The more cores means more 
processing units to bring to bare on your tasks.  The way these get assigned 
and used is way outside the scope here and I don’t want to confuse you worse.  
Just as a general  rule the more cores and better quality processor the better 
for performance.  You need to decide whether you want to spend more or less 
here.  

 

The 13 inch and 15 inch pros have been around a good long while so you have 
lots of previous year options if you want to save some money and you can also 
go with a factory refurbished option direct from Apple.  Again you can speak to 
your budget needs best.

 

The 15 inch model has a bit better graphics card, obviously slightly larger 
screen and all models of the pro have a very good keyboard.  Feels a lot like 
the air but with a little more throw on the keys but not enough to drastically 
impact your experience I don’t think

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Scott Granados]

Just to be clear the keyboards are the same it’s about having more room on the 
larger models.  I’m not sure your motor limitations but I know my big hands fit 
on the larger keyboards just fine and I’m able to rapidly touch type and find 
the keyboard enjoyable.  I would think you would have a good experience.

I believe Simon and a few others have given you very good data on the 
keyboards, you’ll just have to grab ahold of a few to get the best idea.

Again, good luck let us know how your doing.

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott.
> 
> This is exactly the kind of information I've been seeking for some days now 
> with no luck.  You've gave me a bit to ponder but I'm very atracted to the 
> Macbook Air 13 inch with the better keyboard at this time.
> See.  Now we are getting somewhare.  It's easy for me now to get my mate to 
> search on Ebay, though a re-furnished model from the Apple Store may very 
> well be worth considering.  So a phone call tomorrow is on the cards and who 
> knows, I may be able to go for my first training session after next week?
> 
> 
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
> 
> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>> 
>> Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from the original post you 
>> just needed the laptop for a one time use for training.
>> 
>> There’s a lot of ways to go.
>> 
>> 
>> The air is the thinnest model.  It has a real keyboard with discrete keys.  
>> The spread between the keys is surprisingly good especially for the size.  
>> I’d go with the larger 13 inch model for more hand room.
>> 
>> Let me try to clear up some of the confusion on the different models.
>> 
>> The Macbook is the least powerful version.  It uses a mobile processor and 
>> probably isn’t for you in that it is very under powered.  I’m not sure what 
>> Apple was thinking market wise with this device but if I were you I’d skip 
>> it.
>> 
>> The Air is a nice super thin model.  Would be great for your traveling and 
>> fits nicely in a bag or you can get it a nice hard shell covering.  It’s 
>> maybe a quarter inch thick, has great battery life and you can get an I5 or 
>> I7 model depending on your processing needs.  This model has been around a 
>> while so you may also buy previous years versions or on the second hand 
>> market to save some extra money.
>> 
>> Then you have the pro of where there are two types, the 13 inch an 15 inch.  
>> Other than screen size difference the 15 inch model can have more processing 
>> power.
>> 
>> About processing power, I know that can be confusing.  Typically with Apple 
>> you’re dealing with either an I5 or I7.  These are Intel processors where 
>> think of the number as a grade or class.  A 7 is a more powerful processor 
>> than a 5.
>> When you hear the word cores mentioned, processors now have more than one 
>> physical processing component or core on a single piece of silicon.  So in 
>> one slot you may actually have 2 or 4 processors in the case of Apple or 
>> other devices 12 or more cores or processors per slot.  The more cores means 
>> more processing units to bring to bare on your tasks.  The way these get 
>> assigned and used is way outside the scope here and I don’t want to confuse 
>> you worse.  Just as a general  rule the more cores and better quality 
>> processor the better for performance.  You need to decide whether you want 
>> to spend more or less here.
>> 
>> The 13 inch and 15 inch pros have been around a good long while so you have 
>> lots of previous year options if you want to save some money and you can 
>> also go with a factory refurbished option direct from Apple.  Again you can 
>> speak to your budget needs best.
>> 
>> The 15 inch model has a bit better graphics card, obviously slightly larger 
>> screen and all models of the pro have a very good keyboard.  Feels a lot 
>> like the air but with a little more throw on the keys but not enough to 
>> drastically impact your experience I don’t think.
>> 
>> The best thing I could suggest is if you can have a feel of the units.  I 
>> don’t know what your computer buying options are in Scotland but here in the 
>> states we have stores where they are all set up to touch and type on.  I 
>> know you have an Apple store there but you may have another store
>>

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Scott Granados]

I think you will be happy with an air and of course I would be glad to help as 
would the other list members.  Post away or we can set up a time if you want 
more of a QNA format.

Also, I think you underestimate your abilities and overestimate the complexity. 
 You’ll do much better than taking months to learn.  You’re asking smart 
questions, doing your research, I have a high level of confidence in you and 
your ability to master the Mac and be an old hand at the system in no time.

Best of luck and let us know how your doing in your apple quest.

Oh and I love the idea of taking your air to the pub just don’t spill on it.:)  
You might want a spec case or other hard shell to make it more resistant to 
spills and drops.

In our country the thing to do is take your laptop or iPad down to starbucks.  
I like the idea of a small pub and a pint a lot better!


> On Jun 28, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi again Scott.
> 
> Thanks for the offer my friend.  Face-time was one of the main attractions 
> for me to buy an Imac.  I'm very much hoping to  be able to talk to my wee 
> sister in Canada soon, via my Imac and face-time.  But alass Scott.  I'm 
> still right on square one!  I can just about turn my Imac on! It will be 
> months before I can use Skype or Face-time.
> 
> This is why I'm really keen on taking up this training offer in Glasgow.  All 
> of my friends here, who are sighted, are Windows users.  So I'm out there on 
> my own on a limb and despite everything Scott.  I wouldn't have it any other 
> way.  It's up to us blind guys to embarras our sighted friends to getting off 
> their bums and do something, hahaha.
> 
> But it would be really nice if I had an Apple friend or at least anyone who 
> had some understanding of my Imac!
> 
> But in the meantime, I've got this offer of training and it's looking so far 
> that the Macbook Air, second-hand, will be my best bet to help me through the 
> training.
> 
> 
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
>> - Original Message f-
>> From: Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>> 
>> Andy, if it’s easier for you to have a quick question and answer session so 
>> you can gain more information faster I’d be more than happy to Skype / 
>> FaceTime / call you on the land line and help you work through your buying 
>> decision.
>> 
>> That’s if your pressed for time.  Let me know if I can be of any help.
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com 
>>> <mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Kimber.
>>> 
>>> Thank goodness someone at last understood my request.  Yes, the keyboard is 
>>> very important to me  as I've very poor sense of touch.
>>> 
>>> I've been reading up on the Macbook, the Macbook pro, the Macbook mini and 
>>> the Macbook Air and I'm completely lost and even more confused.
>>> 
>>> So, it's nice to have your recommendation and I'm feeling that I'm at last 
>>> getting some responce to my enquiries.
>>> 
>>> You see, I have no experience at all of Apple products.  All of the Mac's I 
>>> mentioned above.  I've never ever seen or touched on and all of my friends 
>>> are Windows, so I'm in a fix.
>>> 
>>> So thanks again for your responce.  It's getting me thinking.
>>> 
>>> Very best wishes.
>>> Andy.
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: Kimberly <mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>>> 
>>>> The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a nice 
>>>> firmness when typing.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com 
>>>> <mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Oh Scott.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip 
>>>>> later this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand 
>>>>> being stuck in a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a 
>>>>> holiday later this year if I c

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Scott Granados]

Andy, no, no worries here.  Your WiFi access is built in so no extra hardware 
needed.  The ethernet dongle or the wired connection uses a thunderbolt port of 
which on the pro you have 2.  You do not use up a USB port.  Also, if you need 
more USB ports then why not just employ a USB hub?  Port density is not a 
problem really with what ever model you choose.

Ethernet dongles are only $29 or so if you need a wired connection.

Best of luck.

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 7:34 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> What!  Scott!  This is incredible!  I need a "Dongle" to get onto the 
> internet whatever model I choose?  This Cannot be Scott!
> 
> A "Dongle" would take up of the very few USB's surely?
> 
> Andy.
>  - Original Message -
>  From: Scott Granados
>  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:11 AM
>  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
> 
> 
>  Sorry to say the newer versions of the Macbook pro do not include built in 
> ethernet interfaces. You must use a dongle for all apple products on the 
> laptop side now I believe.  I’m not sure about the macbook itself but the air 
> and pro both require dongles.  I think the last pro that had a built in 
> ethernet was a 2011 or early 12 model.
> 
> 
>  Hope that helps
> 
> 
>On Jun 28, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Marshall Scott <mfsc...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>Hi, Andy,
>If you want to have a true portable computer, the Mac Mini is not for you. 
>  It is basically designed to be used with a separate monitor and keyboard.
> 
> 
>The Mac Book Aire is lightweight and is very portable but I don't know how 
> well you would like the keyboard.  It also requires a dongle to conect to an 
> Ethernet.   Wyfy is build in.  There is no built in hard drive or DVD drive.
> 
> 
>The Mac Book Pro has a hard drive and a DVD drive as well as an Ethernet 
> connection and WyFy.
> 
> 
>I'm not sure what the Mac Book has in terms of hardware.
> 
> 
>HTH
> 
> 
>Marshall
> 
> 
>  On Jun 28, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>  Hi Kimber.
> 
>  Thank goodness someone at last understood my request.  Yes, the keyboard 
> is very important to me  as I've very poor sense of touch.
> 
>  I've been reading up on the Macbook, the Macbook pro, the Macbook mini 
> and the Macbook Air and I'm completely lost and even more confused.
> 
>  So, it's nice to have your recommendation and I'm feeling that I'm at 
> last getting some responce to my enquiries.
> 
>  You see, I have no experience at all of Apple products.  All of the 
> Mac's I mentioned above.  I've never ever seen or touched on and all of my 
> friends are Windows, so I'm in a fix.
> 
>  So thanks again for your responce.  It's getting me thinking.
> 
>  Very best wishes.
>  Andy.
>- Original Message -
>From: Kimberly
>To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 PM
>Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
> 
> 
>The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a 
> nice firmness when typing.
> 
>Sent from Kimber's iPhone
> 
>On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>  Oh Scott.
> 
>  I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip 
> later this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being 
> stuck in a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later 
> this year if I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need 
> something to keep me in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it 
> would be quite nice to go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and 
> other things, so hiring a mac book is no good.
> 
>  You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or 
> is there perhaps something better to consider?
> 
>  Very best wishes.
>  Andy.
> 
> 
> 
>  - Original Message -
>From: Scott Granados
>To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
>Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
> 
> 
>Hi Andy,
> 
> 
>Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine 
> option especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost 
> especially on the second hand market.
> 
> 
>A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that 
>

RE: Mac book recommendation please

[Simon Fogarty]

Andy,

The refurbished devices are a great option,

With one year apple warrenty so you should be covered and the products have all 
been cleaned up and checked to make sure they are up to scratch regarding 
apples quality assurance standards.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Scott.

This is exactly the kind of information I've been seeking for some days now 
with no luck.  You've gave me a bit to ponder but I'm very atracted to the 
Macbook Air 13 inch with the better keyboard at this time.
See.  Now we are getting somewhare.  It's easy for me now to get my mate to 
search on Ebay, though a re-furnished model from the Apple Store may very well 
be worth considering.  So a phone call tomorrow is on the cards and who knows, 
I may be able to go for my first training session after next week?


Very best wishes.
Andy.


- Original Message -
From: Scott Granados<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from the original post you just 
needed the laptop for a one time use for training.

There’s a lot of ways to go.


The air is the thinnest model.  It has a real keyboard with discrete keys.  The 
spread between the keys is surprisingly good especially for the size.  I’d go 
with the larger 13 inch model for more hand room.

Let me try to clear up some of the confusion on the different models.

The Macbook is the least powerful version.  It uses a mobile processor and 
probably isn’t for you in that it is very under powered.  I’m not sure what 
Apple was thinking market wise with this device but if I were you I’d skip it.

The Air is a nice super thin model.  Would be great for your traveling and fits 
nicely in a bag or you can get it a nice hard shell covering.  It’s maybe a 
quarter inch thick, has great battery life and you can get an I5 or I7 model 
depending on your processing needs.  This model has been around a while so you 
may also buy previous years versions or on the second hand market to save some 
extra money.

Then you have the pro of where there are two types, the 13 inch an 15 inch.  
Other than screen size difference the 15 inch model can have more processing 
power.

About processing power, I know that can be confusing.  Typically with Apple 
you’re dealing with either an I5 or I7.  These are Intel processors where think 
of the number as a grade or class.  A 7 is a more powerful processor than a 5.
When you hear the word cores mentioned, processors now have more than one 
physical processing component or core on a single piece of silicon.  So in one 
slot you may actually have 2 or 4 processors in the case of Apple or other 
devices 12 or more cores or processors per slot.  The more cores means more 
processing units to bring to bare on your tasks.  The way these get assigned 
and used is way outside the scope here and I don’t want to confuse you worse.  
Just as a general  rule the more cores and better quality processor the better 
for performance.  You need to decide whether you want to spend more or less 
here.

The 13 inch and 15 inch pros have been around a good long while so you have 
lots of previous year options if you want to save some money and you can also 
go with a factory refurbished option direct from Apple.  Again you can speak to 
your budget needs best.

The 15 inch model has a bit better graphics card, obviously slightly larger 
screen and all models of the pro have a very good keyboard.  Feels a lot like 
the air but with a little more throw on the keys but not enough to drastically 
impact your experience I don’t think.

The best thing I could suggest is if you can have a feel of the units.  I don’t 
know what your computer buying options are in Scotland but here in the states 
we have stores where they are all set up to touch and type on.  I know you have 
an Apple store there but you may have another store geographically closer to 
you for convenience.

If I were you I’d go with the air for portability reasons if you like to travel 
a lot or if you feel you need a lot of horsepower in a mobile package the 13 
inch pro should have more than enough juice.  If you want to go top of the line 
and spend spend spend go 15 inch but I’m not sure you’ll gain a lot of 
functionality for the money.  I’m an engineer, use the heck out of my laptop 
and a 13 inch model did me just fine.

The Mini isn’t for you if you want to travel.  It’s still a desktop so you’ll 
be carrying a separate monitor, keyboard, the associated cables and the mini 
itself.  If you want a decent home desktop or media server type deal the Mini 
is a decent option.  If you want to travel though I’d take that o

RE: Mac book recommendation please

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi andy,

Iehter usb to Ethernet or thungerbolt to Ethernet,

Both the 11 and 13 inch mac book air have 2 USB ports.
And 1 thunderbolt ports
Very rarely do I use both USB and thunderbolt at the same time,   I do most 
network connectivity work through WiFi

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

What!  Scott!  This is incredible!  I need a "Dongle" to get onto the internet 
whatever model I choose?  This Cannot be Scott!

A "Dongle" would take up of the very few USB's surely?

Andy.
- Original Message -
From: Scott Granados<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Sorry to say the newer versions of the Macbook pro do not include built in 
ethernet interfaces. You must use a dongle for all apple products on the laptop 
side now I believe.  I’m not sure about the macbook itself but the air and pro 
both require dongles.  I think the last pro that had a built in ethernet was a 
2011 or early 12 model.

Hope that helps

On Jun 28, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Marshall Scott 
<mfsc...@mac.com<mailto:mfsc...@mac.com>> wrote:

Hi, Andy,
If you want to have a true portable computer, the Mac Mini is not for you.  It 
is basically designed to be used with a separate monitor and keyboard.

The Mac Book Aire is lightweight and is very portable but I don't know how well 
you would like the keyboard.  It also requires a dongle to conect to an 
Ethernet.   Wyfy is build in.  There is no built in hard drive or DVD drive.

The Mac Book Pro has a hard drive and a DVD drive as well as an Ethernet 
connection and WyFy.

I'm not sure what the Mac Book has in terms of hardware.

HTH

Marshall

On Jun 28, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Andy 
<meikle.ai...@btinternet.com<mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:

Hi Kimber.

Thank goodness someone at last understood my request.  Yes, the keyboard is 
very important to me  as I've very poor sense of touch.

I've been reading up on the Macbook, the Macbook pro, the Macbook mini and the 
Macbook Air and I'm completely lost and even more confused.

So, it's nice to have your recommendation and I'm feeling that I'm at last 
getting some responce to my enquiries.

You see, I have no experience at all of Apple products.  All of the Mac's I 
mentioned above.  I've never ever seen or touched on and all of my friends are 
Windows, so I'm in a fix.

So thanks again for your responce.  It's getting me thinking.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message -
From: Kimberly<mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a nice 
firmness when typing.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy 
<meikle.ai...@btinternet.com<mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
Oh Scott.

I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later this 
year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being stuck in a 
hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later this year if 
I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need something to keep me 
in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it would be quite nice to 
go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and other things, so hiring a 
mac book is no good.

You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is there 
perhaps something better to consider?

Very best wishes.
Andy.



- Original Message -
From: Scott Granados<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Andy,

Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine option 
especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost especially 
on the second hand market.

A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that IMac I think 
you’re probably in good shape.

Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few days for the 
training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less expensive and 
you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you need.

On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andy 
<meikle.ai...@btinternet.com<mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:

Hi all.

I have just purchased an imac desk-top computer but in order for me to undergo 
one-to-one training in my area, I need to buy a second hand portable device.

Once I have a reco

RE: Mac book recommendation please

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Andy,

  Mac book air second hand,
When you say second hand, how old are we talking?

This could be the difference between using up to date OS and not.

Also do you know much about it as in specs and condition of it?

And as for what scott said, anything we can do to assist via facetime etc just 
ask

Chers,


Simon f

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:31 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi again Scott.

Thanks for the offer my friend.  Face-time was one of the main attractions for 
me to buy an Imac.  I'm very much hoping to  be able to talk to my wee sister 
in Canada soon, via my Imac and face-time.  But alass Scott.  I'm still right 
on square one!  I can just about turn my Imac on! It will be months before I 
can use Skype or Face-time.

This is why I'm really keen on taking up this training offer in Glasgow.  All 
of my friends here, who are sighted, are Windows users.  So I'm out there on my 
own on a limb and despite everything Scott.  I wouldn't have it any other way.  
It's up to us blind guys to embarras our sighted friends to getting off their 
bums and do something, hahaha.

But it would be really nice if I had an Apple friend or at least anyone who had 
some understanding of my Imac!

But in the meantime, I've got this offer of training and it's looking so far 
that the Macbook Air, second-hand, will be my best bet to help me through the 
training.


Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message f-
From: Scott Granados<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Andy, if it’s easier for you to have a quick question and answer session so you 
can gain more information faster I’d be more than happy to Skype / FaceTime / 
call you on the land line and help you work through your buying decision.

That’s if your pressed for time.  Let me know if I can be of any help.

On Jun 28, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Andy 
<meikle.ai...@btinternet.com<mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:

Hi Kimber.

Thank goodness someone at last understood my request.  Yes, the keyboard is 
very important to me  as I've very poor sense of touch.

I've been reading up on the Macbook, the Macbook pro, the Macbook mini and the 
Macbook Air and I'm completely lost and even more confused.

So, it's nice to have your recommendation and I'm feeling that I'm at last 
getting some responce to my enquiries.

You see, I have no experience at all of Apple products.  All of the Mac's I 
mentioned above.  I've never ever seen or touched on and all of my friends are 
Windows, so I'm in a fix.

So thanks again for your responce.  It's getting me thinking.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message -
From: Kimberly<mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a nice 
firmness when typing.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy 
<meikle.ai...@btinternet.com<mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
Oh Scott.

I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later this 
year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being stuck in a 
hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later this year if 
I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need something to keep me 
in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it would be quite nice to 
go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and other things, so hiring a 
mac book is no good.

You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is there 
perhaps something better to consider?

Very best wishes.
Andy.



- Original Message -
From: Scott Granados<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Andy,

Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine option 
especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost especially 
on the second hand market.

A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that IMac I think 
you’re probably in good shape.

Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few days for the 
training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less expensive and 
you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you need.

On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andy 
<meikle.ai...@btinternet.com<mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:

Hi all.

I have just purcha

RE: Mac book recommendation please

[Simon Fogarty]

Scott the 13 inch Mac book pro with optical drive and spindal hard drive is 
still on the apple website, that has an Ethernet port in it still,
But yes all the mac book air and mac book pro take either a usb to Ethernet 
adaptor or thunderbolt to Ethernet adaptor
The new 12inch mac books need a new usb c to Ethernet adaptor if not USB C to 
Ethernet, vga, hdmi, dvi, USB 3 or 2, power supply, etc as they only have one 
USB C connector for everything
Two ports on them, one 3.5 mm headphone jack and one USB C.

Good luck if you need to charge it while connected to the net or a screan etc.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Sorry to say the newer versions of the Macbook pro do not include built in 
ethernet interfaces. You must use a dongle for all apple products on the laptop 
side now I believe.  I’m not sure about the macbook itself but the air and pro 
both require dongles.  I think the last pro that had a built in ethernet was a 
2011 or early 12 model.

Hope that helps

On Jun 28, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Marshall Scott 
<mfsc...@mac.com<mailto:mfsc...@mac.com>> wrote:

Hi, Andy,
If you want to have a true portable computer, the Mac Mini is not for you.  It 
is basically designed to be used with a separate monitor and keyboard.

The Mac Book Aire is lightweight and is very portable but I don't know how well 
you would like the keyboard.  It also requires a dongle to conect to an 
Ethernet.   Wyfy is build in.  There is no built in hard drive or DVD drive.

The Mac Book Pro has a hard drive and a DVD drive as well as an Ethernet 
connection and WyFy.

I'm not sure what the Mac Book has in terms of hardware.

HTH

Marshall

On Jun 28, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Andy 
<meikle.ai...@btinternet.com<mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:

Hi Kimber.

Thank goodness someone at last understood my request.  Yes, the keyboard is 
very important to me  as I've very poor sense of touch.

I've been reading up on the Macbook, the Macbook pro, the Macbook mini and the 
Macbook Air and I'm completely lost and even more confused.

So, it's nice to have your recommendation and I'm feeling that I'm at last 
getting some responce to my enquiries.

You see, I have no experience at all of Apple products.  All of the Mac's I 
mentioned above.  I've never ever seen or touched on and all of my friends are 
Windows, so I'm in a fix.

So thanks again for your responce.  It's getting me thinking.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message -
From: Kimberly<mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a nice 
firmness when typing.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy 
<meikle.ai...@btinternet.com<mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
Oh Scott.

I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later this 
year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being stuck in a 
hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later this year if 
I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need something to keep me 
in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it would be quite nice to 
go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and other things, so hiring a 
mac book is no good.

You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is there 
perhaps something better to consider?

Very best wishes.
Andy.



- Original Message -
From: Scott Granados<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Andy,

Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine option 
especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost especially 
on the second hand market.

A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that IMac I think 
you’re probably in good shape.

Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few days for the 
training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less expensive and 
you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you need.

On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andy 
<meikle.ai...@btinternet.com<mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:

Hi all.

I have just purchased an imac desk-top computer but in order for me to undergo 
one-to-one training in my area, I need to buy a second hand portable device.

Once I have a recomendation, a friend can have a look on Ebay.

I'd like a mac lap-top and if possible, running El Capitan.

My sens

RE: Mac book recommendation please

[Simon Fogarty]

Um,

All mac book models have built in hard drives, they are all but one model now 
using flash based media as their harddrives.

And all but one again have no optical drives  as the same for the mac mini and 
the iMac.

There is still a mac book pro with spindle hard drive and optical drive if you 
wish but not sure how available they are in your world, they are still on the 
apple sight as being for sale.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Marshall Scott
Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 11:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi, Andy,
If you want to have a true portable computer, the Mac Mini is not for you.  It 
is basically designed to be used with a separate monitor and keyboard.

The Mac Book Aire is lightweight and is very portable but I don't know how well 
you would like the keyboard.  It also requires a dongle to conect to an 
Ethernet.   Wyfy is build in.  There is no built in hard drive or DVD drive.

The Mac Book Pro has a hard drive and a DVD drive as well as an Ethernet 
connection and WyFy.

I'm not sure what the Mac Book has in terms of hardware.

HTH

Marshall

On Jun 28, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Andy 
<meikle.ai...@btinternet.com<mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:

Hi Kimber.

Thank goodness someone at last understood my request.  Yes, the keyboard is 
very important to me  as I've very poor sense of touch.

I've been reading up on the Macbook, the Macbook pro, the Macbook mini and the 
Macbook Air and I'm completely lost and even more confused.

So, it's nice to have your recommendation and I'm feeling that I'm at last 
getting some responce to my enquiries.

You see, I have no experience at all of Apple products.  All of the Mac's I 
mentioned above.  I've never ever seen or touched on and all of my friends are 
Windows, so I'm in a fix.

So thanks again for your responce.  It's getting me thinking.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message -
From: Kimberly<mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a nice 
firmness when typing.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy 
<meikle.ai...@btinternet.com<mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
Oh Scott.

I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later this 
year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being stuck in a 
hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later this year if 
I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need something to keep me 
in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it would be quite nice to 
go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and other things, so hiring a 
mac book is no good.

You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is there 
perhaps something better to consider?

Very best wishes.
Andy.



- Original Message -
From: Scott Granados<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Andy,

Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine option 
especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost especially 
on the second hand market.

A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that IMac I think 
you’re probably in good shape.

Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few days for the 
training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less expensive and 
you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you need.

On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andy 
<meikle.ai...@btinternet.com<mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:

Hi all.

I have just purchased an imac desk-top computer but in order for me to undergo 
one-to-one training in my area, I need to buy a second hand portable device.

Once I have a recomendation, a friend can have a look on Ebay.

I'd like a mac lap-top and if possible, running El Capitan.

My sense of touch is very poor so I need a mac book with a pretty good keyboard 
on it.  I could attach the Apple USB keyboard if necessary, but that's another 
bit of equipment to carry.

So should I buy a second hand Mac book pro:  a Mac book or something similar?

Your advise would be very welcome as I'm just dying to take up this training 
opertunity.

Very best wishes.
Andy.

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RE: Mac book recommendation please

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Andy,

I can’t say anything re the sense of touch but I use a mac book air 11 inch 
everyday and have had it for 3 years now,

I wouldn’t go passed it for quality,

I’ve tried the new mac book and I don’t’ like the keyboard, I find it difficult 
to pick the different keys and my sense of touch isn’t bad.

The mac book is 12 inch wide but slightly lighter than the mac book air,
The mac book air to me is able to be made more powerfull and has ability to go 
up to a 512 GB SSD, 8GB ram, and increase to an I7 2.0 possibly 2.2 GHz 
processor.

It is by far to me the better product for money,
F & J keys have indicator tabs but if you needed more there is probably enough 
space to put small tactile indicators on keys.they’d have to be small though.

If you have a mac selling store near you go in and have a look at the different 
models to see what you think,
If your not looking to pay a lot then the Mac book and the mac book air are 
what your looking for.

Hope that helsp.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 10:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Kimber.

Thank goodness someone at last understood my request.  Yes, the keyboard is 
very important to me  as I've very poor sense of touch.

I've been reading up on the Macbook, the Macbook pro, the Macbook mini and the 
Macbook Air and I'm completely lost and even more confused.

So, it's nice to have your recommendation and I'm feeling that I'm at last 
getting some responce to my enquiries.

You see, I have no experience at all of Apple products.  All of the Mac's I 
mentioned above.  I've never ever seen or touched on and all of my friends are 
Windows, so I'm in a fix.

So thanks again for your responce.  It's getting me thinking.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message -
From: Kimberly<mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a nice 
firmness when typing.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy 
<meikle.ai...@btinternet.com<mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
Oh Scott.

I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later this 
year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being stuck in a 
hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later this year if 
I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need something to keep me 
in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it would be quite nice to 
go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and other things, so hiring a 
mac book is no good.

You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is there 
perhaps something better to consider?

Very best wishes.
Andy.



- Original Message -
From: Scott Granados<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Andy,

Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine option 
especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost especially 
on the second hand market.

A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that IMac I think 
you’re probably in good shape.

Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few days for the 
training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less expensive and 
you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you need.

On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andy 
<meikle.ai...@btinternet.com<mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:

Hi all.

I have just purchased an imac desk-top computer but in order for me to undergo 
one-to-one training in my area, I need to buy a second hand portable device.

Once I have a recomendation, a friend can have a look on Ebay.

I'd like a mac lap-top and if possible, running El Capitan.

My sense of touch is very poor so I need a mac book with a pretty good keyboard 
on it.  I could attach the Apple USB keyboard if necessary, but that's another 
bit of equipment to carry.

So should I buy a second hand Mac book pro:  a Mac book or something similar?

Your advise would be very welcome as I'm just dying to take up this training 
opertunity.

Very best wishes.
Andy.

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RE: Mac book recommendation please

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Andy,

The best I could tell you although late in the pease is
The mac book air keyboard is pretty much a standard mac keyboard in feel, only 
f and J keys have tactile indicators other than that it’s bloody easy to use 
really, feels to me like a standard apple keyboard just in a slightly smaller 
frame.

The Air is the cheapest option of the mac notebooks but in no way the least 
option, it’s got a better processor,  usb 3, thunderbolt and sd card slot for 
the 13 inch,  up to 512 GB ssd storage, and up to 8 GB ram.

That’s what I have in the 11” model from 2013 mid.

And I don’t think I’m really going to go past it for reliability and quality.

Price would be best seen on the apple site for scottland / UK, are you guys 
still part of the UK??

If you wanted another slightly different option,
Think about an iPad mini
Very accessible and small enough to fit in a large pocket or bag and your able 
to do pretty much everything on it including movies and music etc.
Just another thought for you.

Good luck with the search.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 6:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Oh Scott.

I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later this 
year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being stuck in a 
hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later this year if 
I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need something to keep me 
in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it would be quite nice to 
go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and other things, so hiring a 
mac book is no good.

You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is there 
perhaps something better to consider?

Very best wishes.
Andy.



- Original Message -
From: Scott Granados<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please

Hi Andy,

Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine option 
especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost especially 
on the second hand market.

A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that IMac I think 
you’re probably in good shape.

Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few days for the 
training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less expensive and 
you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you need.

On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andy 
<meikle.ai...@btinternet.com<mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:

Hi all.

I have just purchased an imac desk-top computer but in order for me to undergo 
one-to-one training in my area, I need to buy a second hand portable device.

Once I have a recomendation, a friend can have a look on Ebay.

I'd like a mac lap-top and if possible, running El Capitan.

My sense of touch is very poor so I need a mac book with a pretty good keyboard 
on it.  I could attach the Apple USB keyboard if necessary, but that's another 
bit of equipment to carry.

So should I buy a second hand Mac book pro:  a Mac book or something similar?

Your advise would be very welcome as I'm just dying to take up this training 
opertunity.

Very best wishes.
Andy.

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Re: Mac book recommendation please

[David Chittenden]

The last time I checked, a couple years ago, both MacBook Airs and all three 
MacBook Pros used the exact same QWERTY keyboard. The larger machines have more 
space between the outer edge of the keyboard and the edge of the machine. The 
MacBook Air 11", on the other hand, has the keyboard to the edges (right and 
left) of the machine.

The new MacBook, on the other hand, has keys which are a little less tactile.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 Jun 2016, at 08:46, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kimber.
>  
> Thank goodness someone at last understood my request.  Yes, the keyboard is 
> very important to me  as I've very poor sense of touch.
>  
> I've been reading up on the Macbook, the Macbook pro, the Macbook mini and 
> the Macbook Air and I'm completely lost and even more confused.
>  
> So, it's nice to have your recommendation and I'm feeling that I'm at last 
> getting some responce to my enquiries.
>  
> You see, I have no experience at all of Apple products.  All of the Mac's I 
> mentioned above.  I've never ever seen  or touched on and all of my friends 
> are Windows, so I'm in a fix.
>  
> So thanks again for your responce.  It's getting me thinking.
>  
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
> - Original Message -
> From: Kimberly
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
> 
> The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a nice 
> firmness when typing.
> 
> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh Scott.
>>  
>> I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later 
>> this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being stuck 
>> in a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later this 
>> year if I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need something 
>> to keep me in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it would be 
>> quite nice to go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and other 
>> things, so hiring a mac book is no good.
>>  
>> You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is there 
>> perhaps something better to consider?
>>  
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Scott Granados
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>> 
>> Hi Andy,
>> 
>> Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine option 
>> especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost 
>> especially on the second hand market.
>> 
>> A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that IMac I 
>> think you’re probably in good shape.
>> 
>> Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few days for 
>> the training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less 
>> expensive and you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you need.
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>>  
>>> I have just purchased an imac desk-top computer but in order for me to 
>>> undergo one-to-one training in my area, I need to buy a second hand 
>>> portable device.
>>>  
>>> Once I have a recomendation, a friend can have a look on Ebay.
>>>  
>>> I'd like a mac lap-top and if possible, running El Capitan.
>>>  
>>> My sense of touch is very poor so I need a mac book with a pretty good 
>>> keyboard on it.  I could attach the Apple USB keyboard if necessary, but 
>>> that's another bit of equipment to carry.
>>>  
>>> So should I buy a second hand Mac book pro:  a Mac book or something 
>>> similar?
>>>  
>>> Your advise would be very welcome as I'm just dying to take up this 
>>> training opertunity.
>>>  
>>> Very best wishes.
>>> Andy.
>>> 
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Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Pete Nalda]

Andy, 
I'm a low vision user that uses large fonts and plain text on my iPhone. I just 
wanted to let you know your messages come with a black background and no text. 
When I invoke reply mode, I see text, but it's blue and a very small font. 
Would it be possible to make your emails plain text? Or at least remove the 
black background, and use a larger font?  Thanks in advance. And then I'll be 
able to maybe offer advice on that MacBook. I've got a MacBook dilemma of my 
own. Im running a late 2009 that's not going to be Sierra compatible, and is 
slowly running El Capitan, thus thinking about an upgrade at some point here as 
well. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
MySpace.com/musikonalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 5:46 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kimber.
>  
> Thank goodness someone at last understood my request.  Yes, the keyboard is 
> very important to me  as I've very poor sense of touch.
>  
> I've been reading up on the Macbook, the Macbook pro, the Macbook mini and 
> the Macbook Air and I'm completely lost and even more confused.
>  
> So, it's nice to have your recommendation and I'm feeling that I'm at last 
> getting some responce to my enquiries.
>  
> You see, I have no experience at all of Apple products.  All of the Mac's I 
> mentioned above.  I've never ever seen or touched on and all of my friends 
> are Windows, so I'm in a fix.
>  
> So thanks again for your responce.  It's getting me thinking.
>  
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
> - Original Message -
> From: Kimberly
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
> 
> The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a nice 
> firmness when typing.
> 
> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh Scott.
>>  
>> I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later 
>> this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being stuck 
>> in a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later this 
>> year if I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need something 
>> to keep me in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it would be 
>> quite nice to go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and other 
>> things, so hiring a mac book is no good.
>>  
>> You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is there 
>> perhaps something better to consider?
>>  
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Scott Granados
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>> 
>> Hi Andy,
>> 
>> Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine option 
>> especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost 
>> especially on the second hand market.
>> 
>> A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that IMac I 
>> think you’re probably in good shape.
>> 
>> Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few days for 
>> the training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less 
>> expensive and you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you need.
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>>  
>>> I have just purchased an imac desk-top computer but in order for me to 
>>> undergo one-to-one training in my area, I need to buy a second hand 
>>> portable device.
>>>  
>>> Once I have a recomendation, a friend can have a look on Ebay.
>>>  
>>> I'd like a mac lap-top and if possible, running El Capitan.
>>>  
>>> My sense of touch is very poor so I need a mac book with a pretty good 
>>> keyboard on it.  I could attach the Apple USB keyboard if necessary, but 
>>> that's another bit of equipment to carry.
>>>  
>>> So should I buy a second hand Mac book pro:  a Mac book or something 
>>> similar?
>>>  
>>> Your advise would be very welcome as I'm just dying to take up this 
>>> training opertunity.
>>>  
>>> Very best wishes.
>>> Andy.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>> Vi

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Jonathan Cohn]

In terms of network dangles, (oh, I know I spelled that wrong), all Macintosh 
computers come with wireless ethernet  but if you want the security / 
reliability and speed of a wired connection and you are getting a model that is 
less than two years old, then you need the cable to convert a thunderbolt 
connection into a gigabit ethernet connection.

Face time is fairly straightforward, when you create your Apple account .  it 
automatically creates a FaceTime account with it. 

Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On 28 Jun 2016, at 20:32, jaan ali <jaanalioffic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I want to contribute as well the thing is that that in 15 inch there is more 
> space on the side which I don't like it personally  but 13 inch pro is best I 
> have 13 inch Pro  2015 core i7  16gb ram   512gb storage 
> I bought it refurnish from the Apple directly
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jun 28, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com 
> <mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Scott.
>>  
>> This is exactly the kind of information I've been seeking for some days now 
>> with no luck.  You've gave me a bit to ponder but I'm very atracted to the 
>> Macbook Air 13 inch with the better keyboard at this time.
>> See.  Now we are getting somewhare.  It's easy for me now to get my mate to 
>> search on Ebay, though a re-furnished model from the Apple Store may very 
>> well be worth considering.  So a phone call tomorrow is on the cards and who 
>> knows, I may be able to go for my first training session after next week?
>>  
>>  
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
>>  
>>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>> 
>> Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from the original post you 
>> just needed the laptop for a one time use for training.
>> 
>> There’s a lot of ways to go.
>> 
>> 
>> The air is the thinnest model.  It has a real keyboard with discrete keys.  
>> The spread between the keys is surprisingly good especially for the size.  
>> I’d go with the larger 13 inch model for more hand room.
>> 
>> Let me try to clear up some of the confusion on the different models.
>> 
>> The Macbook is the least powerful version.  It uses a mobile processor and 
>> probably isn’t for you in that it is very under powered.  I’m not sure what 
>> Apple was thinking market wise with this device but if I were you I’d skip 
>> it.
>> 
>> The Air is a nice super thin model.  Would be great for your traveling and 
>> fits nicely in a bag or you can get it a nice hard shell covering.  It’s 
>> maybe a quarter inch thick, has great battery life and you can get an I5 or 
>> I7 model depending on your processing needs.  This model has been around a 
>> while so you may also buy previous years versions or on the second hand 
>> market to save some extra money.
>> 
>> Then you have the pro of where there are two types, the 13 inch an 15 inch.  
>> Other than screen size difference the 15 inch model can have more processing 
>> power.
>> 
>> About processing power, I know that can be confusing.  Typically with Apple 
>> you’re dealing with either an I5 or I7.  These are Intel processors where 
>> think of the number as a grade or class.  A 7 is a more powerful processor 
>> than a 5.
>> When you hear the word cores mentioned, processors now have more than one 
>> physical processing component or core on a single piece of silicon.  So in 
>> one slot you may actually have 2 or 4 processors in the case of Apple or 
>> other devices 12 or more cores or processors per slot.  The more cores means 
>> more processing units to bring to bare on your tasks.  The way these get 
>> assigned and used is way outside the scope here and I don’t want to confuse 
>> you worse.  Just as a general  rule the more cores and better quality 
>> processor the better for performance.  You need to decide whether y

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[jaan ali]

I want to contribute as well the thing is that that in 15 inch there is more 
space on the side which I don't like it personally  but 13 inch pro is best I 
have 13 inch Pro  2015 core i7  16gb ram   512gb storage 
I bought it refurnish from the Apple directly


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> On Jun 28, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott.
>  
> This is exactly the kind of information I've been seeking for some days now 
> with no luck.  You've gave me a bit to ponder but I'm very atracted to the 
> Macbook Air 13 inch with the better keyboard at this time.
> See.  Now we are getting somewhare.  It's easy for me now to get my mate to 
> search on Ebay, though a re-furnished model from the Apple Store may very 
> well be worth considering.  So a phone call tomorrow is on the cards and who 
> knows, I may be able to go for my first training session after next week?
>  
>  
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Scott Granados
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM
> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
> 
> Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from the original post you 
> just needed the laptop for a one time use for training.
> 
> There’s a lot of ways to go.
> 
> 
> The air is the thinnest model.  It has a real keyboard with discrete keys.  
> The spread between the keys is surprisingly good especially for the size.  
> I’d go with the larger 13 inch model for more hand room.
> 
> Let me try to clear up some of the confusion on the different models.
> 
> The Macbook is the least powerful version.  It uses a mobile processor and 
> probably isn’t for you in that it is very under powered.  I’m not sure what 
> Apple was thinking market wise with this device but if I were you I’d skip it.
> 
> The Air is a nice super thin model.  Would be great for your traveling and 
> fits nicely in a bag or you can get it a nice hard shell covering.  It’s 
> maybe a quarter inch thick, has great battery life and you can get an I5 or 
> I7 model depending on your processing needs.  This model has been around a 
> while so you may also buy previous years versions or on the second hand 
> market to save some extra money.
> 
> Then you have the pro of where there are two types, the 13 inch an 15 inch.  
> Other than screen size difference the 15 inch model can have more
> processing power.
> 
> About processing power, I know that can be confusing.  Typically with Apple 
> you’re dealing with either an I5 or I7.  These are Intel processors where 
> think of the number as a grade or class.  A 7 is a more powerful processor 
> than a 5.
> When you hear the word cores mentioned, processors now have more than one 
> physical processing component or core on a single piece of silicon.  So in 
> one slot you may actually have 2 or 4 processors in the case of Apple or 
> other devices 12 or more cores or processors per slot.  The more cores means 
> more processing units to bring to bare on your tasks.  The way these get 
> assigned and used is way outside the scope here and I don’t want to confuse 
> you worse.  Just as a general  rule the more cores and better quality 
> processor the better for performance.  You need to decide whether you want to 
> spend more or less here.  
> 
> The 13 inch and 15 inch pros have been around a good long while so you have 
> lots of previous year options if you want to save some money and you can also 
> go with a factory refurbished option direct from Apple.  Again you can speak 
> to your budget needs best.
> 
> The 15 inch model has a bit better graphics card, obviously slightly larger 
> screen and all models of the pro have a very good keyboard.  Feels a lot like 
> the air but with a little more throw on the keys but not enough to 
> drastically impact your experience I don’t think.
> 
> The best thing I could suggest is if you can have a feel of the units.  I 
> don’t know what your computer buying options are in Scotland but here in the 
> states we have stores where they are all set up to touch and type on.  I know 
> you have an Apple store there but you may have another store geographically 
> closer to you for convenience.
> 
> If I were you I’d go with the air for portabilit

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Andy]

Hi Scott.

This is exactly the kind of information I've been seeking for some days now 
with no luck.  You've gave me a bit to ponder but I'm very atracted to the 
Macbook Air 13 inch with the better keyboard at this time.
See.  Now we are getting somewhare.  It's easy for me now to get my mate to 
search on Ebay, though a re-furnished model from the Apple Store may very well 
be worth considering.  So a phone call tomorrow is on the cards and who knows, 
I may be able to go for my first training session after next week?


Very best wishes.
Andy.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:09 AM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from the original post you 
just needed the laptop for a one time use for training.


  There’s a lot of ways to go.




  The air is the thinnest model.  It has a real keyboard with discrete keys.  
The spread between the keys is surprisingly good especially for the size.  I’d 
go with the larger 13 inch model for more hand room.


  Let me try to clear up some of the confusion on the different models.


  The Macbook is the least powerful version.  It uses a mobile processor and 
probably isn’t for you in that it is very under powered.  I’m not sure what 
Apple was thinking market wise with this device but if I were you I’d skip it.


  The Air is a nice super thin model.  Would be great for your traveling and 
fits nicely in a bag or you can get it a nice hard shell covering.  It’s maybe 
a quarter inch thick, has great battery life and you can get an I5 or I7 model 
depending on your processing needs.  This model has been around a while so you 
may also buy previous years versions or on the second hand market to save some 
extra money.


  Then you have the pro of where there are two types, the 13 inch an 15 inch.  
Other than screen size difference the 15 inch model can have more processing 
power.


  About processing power, I know that can be confusing.  Typically with Apple 
you’re dealing with either an I5 or I7.  These are Intel processors where think 
of the number as a grade or class.  A 7 is a more powerful processor than a 5.
  When you hear the word cores mentioned, processors now have more than one 
physical processing component or core on a single piece of silicon.  So in one 
slot you may actually have 2 or 4 processors in the case of Apple or other 
devices 12 or more cores or processors per slot.  The more cores means more 
processing units to bring to bare on your tasks.  The way these get assigned 
and used is way outside the scope here and I don’t want to confuse you worse.  
Just as a general  rule the more cores and better quality processor the better 
for performance.  You need to decide whether you want to spend more or less 
here.  


  The 13 inch and 15 inch pros have been around a good long while so you have 
lots of previous year options if you want to save some money and you can also 
go with a factory refurbished option direct from Apple.  Again you can speak to 
your budget needs best.


  The 15 inch model has a bit better graphics card, obviously slightly larger 
screen and all models of the pro have a very good keyboard.  Feels a lot like 
the air but with a little more throw on the keys but not enough to drastically 
impact your experience I don’t think.


  The best thing I could suggest is if you can have a feel of the units.  I 
don’t know what your computer buying options are in Scotland but here in the 
states we have stores where they are all set up to touch and type on.  I know 
you have an Apple store there but you may have another store geographically 
closer to you for convenience.


  If I were you I’d go with the air for portability reasons if you like to 
travel a lot or if you feel you need a lot of horsepower in a mobile package 
the 13 inch pro should have more than enough juice.  If you want to go top of 
the line and spend spend spend go 15 inch but I’m not sure you’ll gain a lot of 
functionality for the money.  I’m an engineer, use the heck out of my laptop 
and a 13 inch model did me just fine.


  The Mini isn’t for you if you want to travel.  It’s still a desktop so you’ll 
be carrying a separate monitor, keyboard, the associated cables and the mini 
itself.  If you want a decent home desktop or media server type deal the Mini 
is a decent option.  If you want to travel though I’d take that off your list.


  Let me know if I can help any further.


  Good luck with your travels and apple purchase.




On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Oh Scott.

I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later 
this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being stuck in 
a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later this year 
if I can get the dog out of t

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Andy]

What!  Scott!  This is incredible!  I need a "Dongle" to get onto the internet 
whatever model I choose?  This Cannot be Scott!

A "Dongle" would take up of the very few USB's surely?

Andy.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:11 AM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  Sorry to say the newer versions of the Macbook pro do not include built in 
ethernet interfaces. You must use a dongle for all apple products on the laptop 
side now I believe.  I’m not sure about the macbook itself but the air and pro 
both require dongles.  I think the last pro that had a built in ethernet was a 
2011 or early 12 model.


  Hope that helps


On Jun 28, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Marshall Scott <mfsc...@mac.com> wrote:


Hi, Andy,
If you want to have a true portable computer, the Mac Mini is not for you.  
It is basically designed to be used with a separate monitor and keyboard.


The Mac Book Aire is lightweight and is very portable but I don't know how 
well you would like the keyboard.  It also requires a dongle to conect to an 
Ethernet.   Wyfy is build in.  There is no built in hard drive or DVD drive.


The Mac Book Pro has a hard drive and a DVD drive as well as an Ethernet 
connection and WyFy.


I'm not sure what the Mac Book has in terms of hardware.


HTH


Marshall


  On Jun 28, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


  Hi Kimber.

  Thank goodness someone at last understood my request.  Yes, the keyboard 
is very important to me  as I've very poor sense of touch.

  I've been reading up on the Macbook, the Macbook pro, the Macbook mini 
and the Macbook Air and I'm completely lost and even more confused.

  So, it's nice to have your recommendation and I'm feeling that I'm at 
last getting some responce to my enquiries.

  You see, I have no experience at all of Apple products.  All of the Mac's 
I mentioned above.  I've never ever seen or touched on and all of my friends 
are Windows, so I'm in a fix.

  So thanks again for your responce.  It's getting me thinking.

  Very best wishes.
  Andy.
- Original Message - 
From: Kimberly
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a 
nice firmness when typing.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


  Oh Scott.

  I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip 
later this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being 
stuck in a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later 
this year if I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need 
something to keep me in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it 
would be quite nice to go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and 
other things, so hiring a mac book is no good.

  You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is 
there perhaps something better to consider?

  Very best wishes.
  Andy.



  - Original Message - 
From: Scott Granados
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
    Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


Hi Andy, 


Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine 
option especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost 
especially on the second hand market.


A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that 
IMac I think you’re probably in good shape.


Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few 
days for the training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less 
expensive and you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you need.


  On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> 
wrote:


  Hi all.

  I have just purchased an imac desk-top computer but in order for 
me to undergo one-to-one training in my area, I need to buy a second hand 
portable device.

  Once I have a recomendation, a friend can have a look on Ebay.

  I'd like a mac lap-top and if possible, running El Capitan.

  My sense of touch is very poor so I need a mac book with a pretty 
good keyboard on it.  I could attach the Apple USB keyboard if necessary, but 
that's another bit of equipment to carry.

  So should I buy a second hand Mac book pro:  a Mac book or 
something similar?

  Your advise would be very welcome as I'm jus

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Andy]

Hi again Scott.

Thanks for the offer my friend.  Face-time was one of the main attractions for 
me to buy an Imac.  I'm very much hoping to  be able to talk to my wee sister 
in Canada soon, via my Imac and face-time.  But alass Scott.  I'm still right 
on square one!  I can just about turn my Imac on! It will be months before I 
can use Skype or Face-time.  

This is why I'm really keen on taking up this training offer in Glasgow.  All 
of my friends here, who are sighted, are Windows users.  So I'm out there on my 
own on a limb and despite everything Scott.  I wouldn't have it any other way.  
It's up to us blind guys to embarras our sighted friends to getting off their 
bums and do something, hahaha.

But it would be really nice if I had an Apple friend or at least anyone who had 
some understanding of my Imac!

But in the meantime, I've got this offer of training and it's looking so far 
that the Macbook Air, second-hand, will be my best bet to help me through the 
training.


Very best wishes.
Andy.
  - Original Message f- 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:12 AM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  Andy, if it’s easier for you to have a quick question and answer session so 
you can gain more information faster I’d be more than happy to Skype / FaceTime 
/ call you on the land line and help you work through your buying decision.


  That’s if your pressed for time.  Let me know if I can be of any help.


On Jun 28, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi Kimber.

Thank goodness someone at last understood my request.  Yes, the keyboard is 
very important to me  as I've very poor sense of touch.

I've been reading up on the Macbook, the Macbook pro, the Macbook mini and 
the Macbook Air and I'm completely lost and even more confused.

So, it's nice to have your recommendation and I'm feeling that I'm at last 
getting some responce to my enquiries.

You see, I have no experience at all of Apple products.  All of the Mac's I 
mentioned above.  I've never ever seen or touched on and all of my friends are 
Windows, so I'm in a fix.

So thanks again for your responce.  It's getting me thinking.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kimberly
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 PM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a 
nice firmness when typing.

  Sent from Kimber's iPhone

  On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Oh Scott.

I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip 
later this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being 
stuck in a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later 
this year if I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need 
something to keep me in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it 
would be quite nice to go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and 
other things, so hiring a mac book is no good.

You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is 
there perhaps something better to consider?

Very best wishes.
Andy.



- Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
      Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  Hi Andy, 


  Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine option 
especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost especially 
on the second hand market.


  A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that 
IMac I think you’re probably in good shape.


  Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few days 
for the training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less 
expensive and you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you need.


On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> 
wrote:


Hi all.

I have just purchased an imac desk-top computer but in order for me 
to undergo one-to-one training in my area, I need to buy a second hand portable 
device.

Once I have a recomendation, a friend can have a look on Ebay.

I'd like a mac lap-top and if possible, running El Capitan.

My sense of touch is very poor so I need a mac book with a pretty 
good keyboard on it.  I could attach the Apple USB keyboard if necessary, but 
that's another bit of equipment to carry.

So should I buy a second hand Mac book pro:  a Mac book or 
something similar?

Your advise would be very welcome as I'm jus

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Scott Granados]

Andy, if it’s easier for you to have a quick question and answer session so you 
can gain more information faster I’d be more than happy to Skype / FaceTime / 
call you on the land line and help you work through your buying decision.

That’s if your pressed for time.  Let me know if I can be of any help.

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kimber.
> 
> Thank goodness someone at last understood my request.  Yes, the keyboard is 
> very important to me  as I've very poor sense of touch.
> 
> I've been reading up on the Macbook, the Macbook pro, the Macbook mini and 
> the Macbook Air and I'm completely lost and even more confused.
> 
> So, it's nice to have your recommendation and I'm feeling that I'm at last 
> getting some responce to my enquiries.
> 
> You see, I have no experience at all of Apple products.  All of the Mac's I 
> mentioned above.  I've never ever seen or touched on and all of my friends 
> are Windows, so I'm in a fix.
> 
> So thanks again for your responce.  It's getting me thinking.
> 
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Kimberly <mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>> 
>> The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a nice 
>> firmness when typing.
>> 
>> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com 
>> <mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh Scott.
>>> 
>>> I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later 
>>> this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being 
>>> stuck in a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday 
>>> later this year if I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I 
>>> need something to keep me in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I 
>>> think it would be quite nice to go to my local pub and sit there doing my 
>>> email and other things, so hiring a mac book is no good.
>>> 
>>> You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is there 
>>> perhaps something better to consider?
>>> 
>>> Very best wishes.
>>> Andy.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Andy,
>>>> 
>>>> Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine option 
>>>> especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost 
>>>> especially on the second hand market.
>>>> 
>>>> A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that IMac I 
>>>> think you’re probably in good shape.
>>>> 
>>>> Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few days for 
>>>> the training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less 
>>>> expensive and you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you need.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com 
>>>>> <mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have just purchased an imac desk-top computer but in order for me to 
>>>>> undergo one-to-one training in my area, I need to buy a second hand 
>>>>> portable device.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Once I have a recomendation, a friend can have a look on Ebay.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'd like a mac lap-top and if possible, running El Capitan.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My sense of touch is very poor so I need a mac book with a pretty good 
>>>>> keyboard on it.  I could attach the Apple USB keyboard if necessary, but 
>>>>> that's another bit of equipment to carry.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So should I buy a second hand Mac book pro:  a Mac book or something 
>>>>> similar?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Your advise would be very welcome as I'm just dying to take up this 
>&

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Scott Granados]

Sorry to say the newer versions of the Macbook pro do not include built in 
ethernet interfaces. You must use a dongle for all apple products on the laptop 
side now I believe.  I’m not sure about the macbook itself but the air and pro 
both require dongles.  I think the last pro that had a built in ethernet was a 
2011 or early 12 model.

Hope that helps

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Marshall Scott <mfsc...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Andy,
> If you want to have a true portable computer, the Mac Mini is not for you.  
> It is basically designed to be used with a separate monitor and keyboard.
> 
> The Mac Book Aire is lightweight and is very portable but I don't know how 
> well you would like the keyboard.  It also requires a dongle to conect to an 
> Ethernet.   Wyfy is build in.  There is no built in hard drive or DVD drive.
> 
> The Mac Book Pro has a hard drive and a DVD drive as well as an Ethernet 
> connection and WyFy.
> 
> I'm not sure what the Mac Book has in terms of hardware.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Marshall
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com 
>> <mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kimber.
>> 
>> Thank goodness someone at last understood my request.  Yes, the keyboard is 
>> very important to me  as I've very poor sense of touch.
>> 
>> I've been reading up on the Macbook, the Macbook pro, the Macbook mini and 
>> the Macbook Air and I'm completely lost and even more confused.
>> 
>> So, it's nice to have your recommendation and I'm feeling that I'm at last 
>> getting some responce to my enquiries.
>> 
>> You see, I have no experience at all of Apple products.  All of the Mac's I 
>> mentioned above.  I've never ever seen or touched on and all of my friends 
>> are Windows, so I'm in a fix.
>> 
>> So thanks again for your responce.  It's getting me thinking.
>> 
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Kimberly <mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>> 
>>> The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a nice 
>>> firmness when typing.
>>> 
>>> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com 
>>> <mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Oh Scott.
>>>> 
>>>> I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later 
>>>> this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being 
>>>> stuck in a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday 
>>>> later this year if I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I 
>>>> need something to keep me in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I 
>>>> think it would be quite nice to go to my local pub and sit there doing my 
>>>> email and other things, so hiring a mac book is no good.
>>>> 
>>>> You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is 
>>>> there perhaps something better to consider?
>>>> 
>>>> Very best wishes.
>>>> Andy.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> From: Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Andy,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine option 
>>>>> especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost 
>>>>> especially on the second hand market.
>>>>> 
>>>>> A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that IMac I 
>>>>> think you’re probably in good shape.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few days for 
>>>>> the training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less 
>>>>> expensive and you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you 
>>>>> need.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Scott Granados]

Hi Andy, ah that clears it up then.  I thought from the original post you just 
needed the laptop for a one time use for training.

There’s a lot of ways to go.


The air is the thinnest model.  It has a real keyboard with discrete keys.  The 
spread between the keys is surprisingly good especially for the size.  I’d go 
with the larger 13 inch model for more hand room.

Let me try to clear up some of the confusion on the different models.

The Macbook is the least powerful version.  It uses a mobile processor and 
probably isn’t for you in that it is very under powered.  I’m not sure what 
Apple was thinking market wise with this device but if I were you I’d skip it.

The Air is a nice super thin model.  Would be great for your traveling and fits 
nicely in a bag or you can get it a nice hard shell covering.  It’s maybe a 
quarter inch thick, has great battery life and you can get an I5 or I7 model 
depending on your processing needs.  This model has been around a while so you 
may also buy previous years versions or on the second hand market to save some 
extra money.

Then you have the pro of where there are two types, the 13 inch an 15 inch.  
Other than screen size difference the 15 inch model can have more processing 
power.

About processing power, I know that can be confusing.  Typically with Apple 
you’re dealing with either an I5 or I7.  These are Intel processors where think 
of the number as a grade or class.  A 7 is a more powerful processor than a 5.
When you hear the word cores mentioned, processors now have more than 
one physical processing component or core on a single piece of silicon.  So in 
one slot you may actually have 2 or 4 processors in the case of Apple or other 
devices 12 or more cores or processors per slot.  The more cores means more 
processing units to bring to bare on your tasks.  The way these get assigned 
and used is way outside the scope here and I don’t want to confuse you worse.  
Just as a general  rule the more cores and better quality processor the better 
for performance.  You need to decide whether you want to spend more or less 
here.

The 13 inch and 15 inch pros have been around a good long while so you have 
lots of previous year options if you want to save some money and you can also 
go with a factory refurbished option direct from Apple.  Again you can speak to 
your budget needs best.

The 15 inch model has a bit better graphics card, obviously slightly larger 
screen and all models of the pro have a very good keyboard.  Feels a lot like 
the air but with a little more throw on the keys but not enough to drastically 
impact your experience I don’t think.

The best thing I could suggest is if you can have a feel of the units.  I don’t 
know what your computer buying options are in Scotland but here in the states 
we have stores where they are all set up to touch and type on.  I know you have 
an Apple store there but you may have another store geographically closer to 
you for convenience.

If I were you I’d go with the air for portability reasons if you like to travel 
a lot or if you feel you need a lot of horsepower in a mobile package the 13 
inch pro should have more than enough juice.  If you want to go top of the line 
and spend spend spend go 15 inch but I’m not sure you’ll gain a lot of 
functionality for the money.  I’m an engineer, use the heck out of my laptop 
and a 13 inch model did me just fine.

The Mini isn’t for you if you want to travel.  It’s still a desktop so you’ll 
be carrying a separate monitor, keyboard, the associated cables and the mini 
itself.  If you want a decent home desktop or media server type deal the Mini 
is a decent option.  If you want to travel though I’d take that off your list.

Let me know if I can help any further.

Good luck with your travels and apple purchase.


> On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Oh Scott.
> 
> I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later 
> this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being stuck 
> in a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later this 
> year if I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need something 
> to keep me in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it would be 
> quite nice to go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and other 
> things, so hiring a mac book is no good.
> 
> You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is there 
> perhaps something better to consider?
> 
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
>> From: Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>> 
>> Hi Andy

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Marshall Scott]

Hi, Andy,
If you want to have a true portable computer, the Mac Mini is not for you.  It 
is basically designed to be used with a separate monitor and keyboard.

The Mac Book Aire is lightweight and is very portable but I don't know how well 
you would like the keyboard.  It also requires a dongle to conect to an 
Ethernet.   Wyfy is build in.  There is no built in hard drive or DVD drive.

The Mac Book Pro has a hard drive and a DVD drive as well as an Ethernet 
connection and WyFy.

I'm not sure what the Mac Book has in terms of hardware.

HTH

Marshall

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kimber.
>  
> Thank goodness someone at last understood my request.  Yes, the keyboard is 
> very important to me  as I've very poor sense of touch.
>  
> I've been reading up on the Macbook, the Macbook pro, the Macbook mini and 
> the Macbook Air and I'm completely lost and even more confused.
>  
> So, it's nice to have your recommendation and I'm feeling that I'm at last 
> getting some responce to my enquiries.
>  
> You see, I have no experience at all of Apple products.  All of the Mac's I 
> mentioned above.  I've never ever seen or touched on and all of my friends 
> are Windows, so I'm in a fix.
>  
> So thanks again for your responce.  It's getting me thinking.
>  
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Kimberly <mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>> 
>> The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a nice 
>> firmness when typing.
>> 
>> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com 
>> <mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh Scott.
>>>  
>>> I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later 
>>> this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being 
>>> stuck in a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday 
>>> later this year if I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I 
>>> need something to keep me in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I 
>>> think it would be quite nice to go to my local pub and sit there doing my 
>>> email and other things, so hiring a mac book is no good.
>>>  
>>> You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is there 
>>> perhaps something better to consider?
>>>  
>>> Very best wishes.
>>> Andy.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Andy, 
>>>> 
>>>> Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine option 
>>>> especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost 
>>>> especially on the second hand market.
>>>> 
>>>> A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that IMac I 
>>>> think you’re probably in good shape.
>>>> 
>>>> Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few days for 
>>>> the training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less 
>>>> expensive and you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you need.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com 
>>>>> <mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>  
>>>>> I have just purchased an imac desk-top computer but in order for me to 
>>>>> undergo one-to-one training in my area, I need to buy a second hand 
>>>>> portable device.
>>>>>  
>>>>> Once I have a recomendation, a friend can have a look on Ebay.
>>>>>  
>>>>> I'd like a mac lap-top and if possible, running El Capitan.
>>>>>  
>>>>> My sense of touch is very poor so I need a mac book with a pretty good 
>>>>> keyboard on it.  I could attach the Apple USB keyboard if necessary, but 
>>>>> that's another bit of equ

Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Andy]

Hi Kimber.

Thank goodness someone at last understood my request.  Yes, the keyboard is 
very important to me  as I've very poor sense of touch.

I've been reading up on the Macbook, the Macbook pro, the Macbook mini and the 
Macbook Air and I'm completely lost and even more confused.

So, it's nice to have your recommendation and I'm feeling that I'm at last 
getting some responce to my enquiries.

You see, I have no experience at all of Apple products.  All of the Mac's I 
mentioned above.  I've never ever seen or touched on and all of my friends are 
Windows, so I'm in a fix.

So thanks again for your responce.  It's getting me thinking.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kimberly 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 PM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a nice 
firmness when typing.

  Sent from Kimber's iPhone

  On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Oh Scott.

I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later 
this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being stuck in 
a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later this year 
if I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need something to keep 
me in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it would be quite nice 
to go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and other things, so hiring 
a mac book is no good.

You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is there 
perhaps something better to consider?

Very best wishes.
Andy.



- Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  Hi Andy, 


  Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine option 
especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost especially 
on the second hand market.


  A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that IMac I 
think you’re probably in good shape.


  Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few days for 
the training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less expensive 
and you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you need.


On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi all.

I have just purchased an imac desk-top computer but in order for me to 
undergo one-to-one training in my area, I need to buy a second hand portable 
device.

Once I have a recomendation, a friend can have a look on Ebay.

I'd like a mac lap-top and if possible, running El Capitan.

My sense of touch is very poor so I need a mac book with a pretty good 
keyboard on it.  I could attach the Apple USB keyboard if necessary, but that's 
another bit of equipment to carry.

So should I buy a second hand Mac book pro:  a Mac book or something 
similar?

Your advise would be very welcome as I'm just dying to take up this 
training opertunity.

Very best wishes.
Andy.


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Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Kimberly]

The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a nice 
firmness when typing.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Oh Scott.
>  
> I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later 
> this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being stuck 
> in a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later this 
> year if I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need something 
> to keep me in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it would be 
> quite nice to go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and other 
> things, so hiring a mac book is no good.
>  
> You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a  tactyle keyboard or is there 
> perhaps something better to consider?
>  
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
>  
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Scott Granados
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
> 
> Hi Andy,
> 
> Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine option 
> especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost 
> especially on the second hand market.
> 
> A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that IMac I 
> think you’re probably in good shape.
> 
> Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few days for the 
> training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less expensive 
> and you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you need.
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all.
>>  
>> I have just purchased an imac desk-top computer but in order for me to 
>> undergo one-to-one training in my area, I need to buy a second hand portable 
>> device.
>>  
>> Once I have a recomendation, a friend can have a look on Ebay.
>>  
>> I'd like a mac lap-top and if possible, running El Capitan.
>>  
>> My sense of touch is very poor so I need a mac book with a pretty good 
>> keyboard on it.  I could attach the Apple USB keyboard if necessary, but 
>> that's another bit of equipment to carry.
>>  
>> So should I buy a second hand Mac book pro:  a Mac book or something similar?
>>  
>> Your advise would be very welcome as I'm just dying to take up this training 
>> opertunity.
>>  
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
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Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Andy]

Oh Scott.

I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later this 
year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being stuck in a 
hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later this year if 
I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need something to keep me 
in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it would be quite nice to 
go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and other things, so hiring a 
mac book is no good.

You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a tactyle keyboard or is there 
perhaps something better to consider?

Very best wishes.
Andy.



- Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
  Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please


  Hi Andy,


  Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine option 
especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost especially 
on the second hand market.


  A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that IMac I 
think you’re probably in good shape.


  Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few days for the 
training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less expensive and 
you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you need.


On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi all.

I have just purchased an imac desk-top computer but in order for me to 
undergo one-to-one training in my area, I need to buy a second hand portable 
device.

Once I have a recomendation, a friend can have a look on Ebay.

I'd like a mac lap-top and if possible, running El Capitan.

My sense of touch is very poor so I need a mac book with a pretty good 
keyboard on it.  I could attach the Apple USB keyboard if necessary, but that's 
another bit of equipment to carry.

So should I buy a second hand Mac book pro:  a Mac book or something 
similar?

Your advise would be very welcome as I'm just dying to take up this 
training opertunity.

Very best wishes.
Andy.


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Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Scott Granados]

Hi Andy,

Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine option 
especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost especially 
on the second hand market.

A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that IMac I think 
you’re probably in good shape.

Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few days for the 
training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less expensive and 
you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you need.

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andy  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> 
> I have just purchased an imac desk-top computer but in order for me to 
> undergo one-to-one training in my area, I need to buy a second hand portable 
> device.
> 
> Once I have a recomendation, a friend can have a look on Ebay.
> 
> I'd like a mac lap-top and if possible, running El Capitan.
> 
> My sense of touch is very poor so I need a mac book with a pretty good 
> keyboard on it.  I could attach the Apple USB keyboard if necessary, but 
> that's another bit of equipment to carry.
> 
> So should I buy a second hand Mac book pro:  a Mac book or something similar?
> 
> Your advise would be very welcome as I'm just dying to take up this training 
> opertunity.
> 
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
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