Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

It’s a pretty good bet a 3rd gen model will be out in the Fall though.  Do we 
know for sure, nope you’re right but it’s a reasonable guess.

> On Jun 16, 2017, at 3:12 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello, honestly? We don't know if and when a new Apple Watch will be 
> forthcoming.
>> On 15 Jun 2017, at 20:44, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I want to know if a new Apple watch is coming out and get honest opinion 
>> from a person who uses it with voice Over.  Also, what is a magic keyboard?  
>> I have an old Apple keyboard where you need to put batteries in to make it 
>> work.  If I were to get any keyboards, I'd need two keyboards and two new 
>> trackpads but at the moment, all my equipment is working here properly and I 
>> don't know what I'd do with the old keyboards and trackpads.  That's why I 
>> haven't bought anything yet.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 15 Jun 2017, at 20:40, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> We still use lots of those older keyboards that came with the eMacs and the 
>>> original white iMacs.  They're quite sturdy old things, and the students 
>>> don't pick off the keys as much as they do with the newer aluminum kind.  I 
>>> prefer typing on the newer aluminum ones, but can't beat the toughness of 
>>> those older ones.  They also go through the dishwasher nicely when they 
>>> need a cleaning :).
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 13:25, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My primary keyboard on a Macintosh is still one from a eMac that came with 
>>> a G4 processor.
>>> Please give a shout out about the new keyboard once you have used it for a 
>>> week.
>>> 
>>> On 15 June 2017 at 13:43, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> I think I’d like the one with the keypad, I may have to try that out.  
>>> Starting to really like the original version though.  Work was good enough 
>>> to pick one up for me, it’s the first time I’ve used one.  Love it so far.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 14, 2017, at 4:40 PM, christopher hallsworth 
  wrote:
 
 Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is 
 still available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric 
 keypad.
> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from 
> Apple (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y 
> keyboards.  I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the 
> one I use wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys 
> including function.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a 
>> stereo pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act 
>> together with Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The 
>> idea that this new speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a 
>> room and adjust its output accordingly is interesting. I am not the 
>> least bit interested in the Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for 
>> anything I would want. I'm disappointed about the mini not getting 
>> refreshed, but not surprised. And I think the new stuff for the iPad in 
>> iOS 11 has really good potential, although I will be curious to see how 
>> it all works with voiceover. I was excited about the announcement of a 
>> new Bluetooth keyboard and that includes the number pad, only to be 
>> disappointed when I realized it has the same awful feel as all of the 
>> new notebook keyboards that Apple has been producing. No key travel to 
>> speak up and no spacing between the keys. No thank you. Why oh why can't 
>> they make a keyboard that really works well for touch typist? That is 
>> after all, who does most of the serious typing in the world.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but 
>>> the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 
>>> 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted 
>>> the device starts a
>>> 
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

$229.00 new Zealand dollars,

 And I think it was $129 usa dollars,


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Subject: RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Hi,

Does anyone know how much this new keyboard cost.  This would be great if it 
has a number key pad.

Matthew



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Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is still 
available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from Apple 
> (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y keyboards.  
> I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the one I use 
> wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys including 
> function.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
>> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with 
>> Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new 
>> speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its 
>> output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in the 
>> Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm 
>> disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I 
>> think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, 
>> although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was 
>> excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that includes 
>> the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the same 
>> awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been 
>> producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. No 
>> thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works well for 
>> touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious typing in the 
>> world.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
>>> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>>> starts a
>>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, the Magic Keyboard 2 does have a numeric keypad and sells for $129, 
translate to your own currency if you will.
> On 18 Jun 2017, at 15:19, Matthew Dyer <ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone know how much this new keyboard cost.  This would be great if it 
> has a number key pad.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:40 PM
> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is 
> still available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from Apple 
>> (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y keyboards. 
>>  I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the one I use 
>> wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys including 
>> function.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
>>> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with 
>>> Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new 
>>> speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its 
>>> output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in the 
>>> Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm 
>>> disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I 
>>> think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, 
>>> although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was 
>>> excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that 
>>> includes the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the 
>>> same awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been 
>>> producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. No 
>>> thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works well for 
>>> touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious typing in the 
>>> world.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>>>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB 
>>>> of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>>>> starts a
>>>> 
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Matthew Dyer]

Hi,

Does anyone know how much this new keyboard cost.  This would be great if it 
has a number key pad.

Matthew



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Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is still 
available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from Apple 
> (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y keyboards.  
> I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the one I use 
> wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys including 
> function.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
>> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with 
>> Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new 
>> speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its 
>> output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in the 
>> Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm 
>> disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I 
>> think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, 
>> although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was 
>> excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that includes 
>> the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the same 
>> awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been 
>> producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. No 
>> thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works well for 
>> touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious typing in the 
>> world.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
>>> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>>> starts a
>>> 
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I'm hoping the Watch OS 4 release will give a bit more speed as well,
 

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, 17 June 2017 3:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I have the series 2 and find it got rid of a lot of the sluggishness.  A lot of 
that seemed to be introduced in to OS 3 and seems to run better on the 
multicore series 2.

> On Jun 16, 2017, at 5:41 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> Do you not have a current apple watch?
> 
> I use it with vo and find it great,sluggish in some cases but very usable.
> God help me if there is a series 3 watch out later this year, I’m 
> having trouble keeping up with what I want next
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Friday, 16 June 2017 7:45 AM
> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I want to know if a new Apple watch is coming out and get honest opinion from 
> a person who uses it with voice Over.  Also, what is a magic keyboard?  I 
> have an old Apple keyboard where you need to put batteries in to make it 
> work.  If I were to get any keyboards, I'd need two keyboards and two new 
> trackpads but at the moment, all my equipment is working here properly and I 
> don't know what I'd do with the old keyboards and trackpads.  That's why I 
> haven't bought anything yet.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 15 Jun 2017, at 20:40, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> We still use lots of those older keyboards that came with the eMacs and the 
>> original white iMacs.  They're quite sturdy old things, and the students 
>> don't pick off the keys as much as they do with the newer aluminum kind.  I 
>> prefer typing on the newer aluminum ones, but can't beat the toughness of 
>> those older ones.  They also go through the dishwasher nicely when they need 
>> a cleaning :).
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 13:25, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> My primary keyboard on a Macintosh is still one from a eMac that came with a 
>> G4 processor.
>> Please give a shout out about the new keyboard once you have used it for a 
>> week.
>> 
>> On 15 June 2017 at 13:43, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think I’d like the one with the keypad, I may have to try that out.  
>> Starting to really like the original version though.  Work was good enough 
>> to pick one up for me, it’s the first time I’ve used one.  Love it so far.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 4:40 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>> <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is 
>>> still available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
>>>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from 
>>>> Apple (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y 
>>>> keyboards.  I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the 
>>>> one I use wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys 
>>>> including function.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
>>>>> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together 
>>>>> with Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that 
>>>>> this new speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and 
>>>>> adjust its output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit 
>>>>> interested in the Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I 
>>>>> would want. I'm disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but 
>>>>> not surprised. And I think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has 
>>>>> really good potential, although I will be curious to see how it all works 
>>>>> with voiceover. I was excited about the announcement o

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

Ah, we call that being under the thumb,

 A problematic condition caused by the other half.

 At least the dog will be cuddly and warm!
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Saturday, 17 June 2017 3:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Simon,

No, lately, most of my disposable income has gone into house renovations.  the 
boss somehow finds out when I spend money on Apple gadgets, then my dog needs 
to make room for me :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 16, 2017, at 03:41, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

Hi Tim,

Do you not have a current apple watch?

I use it with vo and find it great,sluggish in some cases but very usable.
God help me if there is a series 3 watch out later this year, I’m having 
trouble keeping up with what I want next 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Friday, 16 June 2017 7:45 AM
To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I want to know if a new Apple watch is coming out and get honest opinion from a 
person who uses it with voice Over.  Also, what is a magic keyboard?  I have an 
old Apple keyboard where you need to put batteries in to make it work.  If I 
were to get any keyboards, I'd need two keyboards and two new trackpads but at 
the moment, all my equipment is working here properly and I don't know what I'd 
do with the old keyboards and trackpads.  That's why I haven't bought anything 
yet.

Kawal.
> On 15 Jun 2017, at 20:40, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We still use lots of those older keyboards that came with the eMacs and the 
> original white iMacs.  They're quite sturdy old things, and the students 
> don't pick off the keys as much as they do with the newer aluminum kind.  I 
> prefer typing on the newer aluminum ones, but can't beat the toughness of 
> those older ones.  They also go through the dishwasher nicely when they need 
> a cleaning :).
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 15, 2017, at 13:25, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My primary keyboard on a Macintosh is still one from a eMac that came with a 
> G4 processor.
> Please give a shout out about the new keyboard once you have used it for a 
> week.
> 
> On 15 June 2017 at 13:43, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think I’d like the one with the keypad, I may have to try that out.  
> Starting to really like the original version though.  Work was good enough to 
> pick one up for me, it’s the first time I’ve used one.  Love it so far.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 4:40 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>> <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is 
>> still available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
>>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from 
>>> Apple (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y 
>>> keyboards.  I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the one 
>>> I use wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys 
>>> including function.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
>>>> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with 
>>>> Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new 
>>>> speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its 
>>>> output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in 
>>>> the Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm 
>>>> disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And 
>>>> I think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, 
>>>> although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was 
>>>> excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that 
>>>> includes the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has 
>>>> the same awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has 
>>>&

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, we do not know that till we get our hands on it from December.
> On 5 Jun 2017, at 22:15, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Will Apple's HomePod (Siri Speaker) have a 3.5MM HeadPhone Jack or a Lighting 
> Connector? Just WonderIn
> At 02:09 PM 6/5/2017, you wrote:
>> The HomePod speaker looks really interesting, and I'm looking forward to it. 
>> It has great features but ultimately the audio quality will make or break it 
>> for me since I am very fussy about audio quality in general.
>> The new iMac pro should cover the needs of most professional users and looks 
>> like a great solution, personally I will never need that much power though.
>> I am a bit disappointed that The normal iMac's doesn't come with SSD Storage 
>> options as standard. SSD drives is the future, and in my opinion the fusion 
>> drives isn't that great. Maybe if it came with a 1 TB spinning drive with 
>> like 128 GB SSD as standard. When it's time to upgrade my iMac, i'll 
>> definitely configure it with a SSD even though it will work out quite 
>> expensive.
>> 
>> 
>> On the software side I'm glad to see a big siri update, but apart from that 
>> there's nothing really revolutionary about iOS11 and macOS.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On 05 Jun 2017, at 22:38, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> >
>> > So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>> >
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, I have a 6s, and that will run iOS 11 just fine as it's newer than the 
5s which is eligible but will no doubt run slow and will certainly not have all 
the features and capabilities iOS 11 has to offer. I also have iPad Mini 2, 
which is also eligible for iOS 11, but will certainly have the same limits as 
the 5s. Finally I have an iPod Touch 6th generation which is the only iPod to 
run iOS 11.
> On 5 Jun 2017, at 23:27, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What I phone do you have. Will there bbe issues with an I phone 6 or 7 
> getting I os 11. What about an ipod or I pad that is a year or 2 old as well. 
> just wondering.  
> 
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
>I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
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> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>> 
>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
>> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>> starts a
>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Yes it is out.
> On 15 Jun 2017, at 09:47, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> So is the magic 2 keyboard out?
> 
> I'd heard rumours but noghting since that it was to be released 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Thursday, 15 June 2017 8:40 AM
> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is 
> still available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from Apple 
>> (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y keyboards. 
>>  I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the one I use 
>> wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys including 
>> function.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
>>> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with 
>>> Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new 
>>> speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its 
>>> output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in the 
>>> Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm 
>>> disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I 
>>> think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, 
>>> although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was 
>>> excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that 
>>> includes the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the 
>>> same awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been 
>>> producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. No 
>>> thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works well for 
>>> touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious typing in the 
>>> world.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>>>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB 
>>>> of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>>>> starts a
>>>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, honestly? We don't know if and when a new Apple Watch will be 
forthcoming.
> On 15 Jun 2017, at 20:44, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I want to know if a new Apple watch is coming out and get honest opinion from 
> a person who uses it with voice Over.  Also, what is a magic keyboard?  I 
> have an old Apple keyboard where you need to put batteries in to make it 
> work.  If I were to get any keyboards, I'd need two keyboards and two new 
> trackpads but at the moment, all my equipment is working here properly and I 
> don't know what I'd do with the old keyboards and trackpads.  That's why I 
> haven't bought anything yet.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 15 Jun 2017, at 20:40, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> We still use lots of those older keyboards that came with the eMacs and the 
>> original white iMacs.  They're quite sturdy old things, and the students 
>> don't pick off the keys as much as they do with the newer aluminum kind.  I 
>> prefer typing on the newer aluminum ones, but can't beat the toughness of 
>> those older ones.  They also go through the dishwasher nicely when they need 
>> a cleaning :).
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 13:25, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> My primary keyboard on a Macintosh is still one from a eMac that came with a 
>> G4 processor.
>> Please give a shout out about the new keyboard once you have used it for a 
>> week.
>> 
>> On 15 June 2017 at 13:43, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I think I’d like the one with the keypad, I may have to try that out.  
>> Starting to really like the original version though.  Work was good enough 
>> to pick one up for me, it’s the first time I’ve used one.  Love it so far.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 4:40 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is 
>>> still available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
 On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from 
 Apple (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y 
 keyboards.  I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the 
 one I use wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys 
 including function.
 
 
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together 
> with Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that 
> this new speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and 
> adjust its output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit 
> interested in the Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I 
> would want. I'm disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but 
> not surprised. And I think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has 
> really good potential, although I will be curious to see how it all works 
> with voiceover. I was excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth 
> keyboard and that includes the number pad, only to be disappointed when I 
> realized it has the same awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards 
> that Apple has been producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing 
> between the keys. No thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard 
> that really works well for touch typist? That is after all, who does most 
> of the serious typing in the world.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>> 
>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but 
>> the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 
>> 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted 
>> the device starts a
>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

I have the series 2 and find it got rid of a lot of the sluggishness.  A lot of 
that seemed to be introduced in to OS 3 and seems to run better on the 
multicore series 2.

> On Jun 16, 2017, at 5:41 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> Do you not have a current apple watch?
> 
> I use it with vo and find it great,sluggish in some cases but very usable.
> God help me if there is a series 3 watch out later this year,
> I’m having trouble keeping up with what I want next 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Friday, 16 June 2017 7:45 AM
> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I want to know if a new Apple watch is coming out and get honest opinion from 
> a person who uses it with voice Over.  Also, what is a magic keyboard?  I 
> have an old Apple keyboard where you need to put batteries in to make it 
> work.  If I were to get any keyboards, I'd need two keyboards and two new 
> trackpads but at the moment, all my equipment is working here properly and I 
> don't know what I'd do with the old keyboards and trackpads.  That's why I 
> haven't bought anything yet.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 15 Jun 2017, at 20:40, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> We still use lots of those older keyboards that came with the eMacs and the 
>> original white iMacs.  They're quite sturdy old things, and the students 
>> don't pick off the keys as much as they do with the newer aluminum kind.  I 
>> prefer typing on the newer aluminum ones, but can't beat the toughness of 
>> those older ones.  They also go through the dishwasher nicely when they need 
>> a cleaning :).
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 13:25, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> My primary keyboard on a Macintosh is still one from a eMac that came with a 
>> G4 processor.
>> Please give a shout out about the new keyboard once you have used it for a 
>> week.
>> 
>> On 15 June 2017 at 13:43, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think I’d like the one with the keypad, I may have to try that out.  
>> Starting to really like the original version though.  Work was good enough 
>> to pick one up for me, it’s the first time I’ve used one.  Love it so far.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 4:40 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>> <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is 
>>> still available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
>>>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from 
>>>> Apple (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y 
>>>> keyboards.  I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the 
>>>> one I use wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys 
>>>> including function.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
>>>>> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together 
>>>>> with Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that 
>>>>> this new speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and 
>>>>> adjust its output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit 
>>>>> interested in the Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I 
>>>>> would want. I'm disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but 
>>>>> not surprised. And I think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has 
>>>>> really good potential, although I will be curious to see how it all works 
>>>>> with voiceover. I was excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth 
>>>>> keyboard and that includes the number pad, only to be disappointed when I 
>>>>> realized it has the same awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards 
>>>>> that Apple has been producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing 
>>>>> between the keys. No thank you.

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Tim Kilburn]

Simon,

No, lately, most of my disposable income has gone into house renovations.  the 
boss somehow finds out when I spend money on Apple gadgets, then my dog needs 
to make room for me :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 16, 2017, at 03:41, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

Hi Tim,

Do you not have a current apple watch?

I use it with vo and find it great,sluggish in some cases but very usable.
God help me if there is a series 3 watch out later this year,
I’m having trouble keeping up with what I want next 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Friday, 16 June 2017 7:45 AM
To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I want to know if a new Apple watch is coming out and get honest opinion from a 
person who uses it with voice Over.  Also, what is a magic keyboard?  I have an 
old Apple keyboard where you need to put batteries in to make it work.  If I 
were to get any keyboards, I'd need two keyboards and two new trackpads but at 
the moment, all my equipment is working here properly and I don't know what I'd 
do with the old keyboards and trackpads.  That's why I haven't bought anything 
yet.

Kawal.
> On 15 Jun 2017, at 20:40, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We still use lots of those older keyboards that came with the eMacs and the 
> original white iMacs.  They're quite sturdy old things, and the students 
> don't pick off the keys as much as they do with the newer aluminum kind.  I 
> prefer typing on the newer aluminum ones, but can't beat the toughness of 
> those older ones.  They also go through the dishwasher nicely when they need 
> a cleaning :).
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 15, 2017, at 13:25, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My primary keyboard on a Macintosh is still one from a eMac that came with a 
> G4 processor.
> Please give a shout out about the new keyboard once you have used it for a 
> week.
> 
> On 15 June 2017 at 13:43, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think I’d like the one with the keypad, I may have to try that out.  
> Starting to really like the original version though.  Work was good enough to 
> pick one up for me, it’s the first time I’ve used one.  Love it so far.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 4:40 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>> <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is 
>> still available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
>>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from 
>>> Apple (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y 
>>> keyboards.  I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the one 
>>> I use wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys 
>>> including function.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
>>>> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with 
>>>> Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new 
>>>> speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its 
>>>> output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in 
>>>> the Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm 
>>>> disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And 
>>>> I think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, 
>>>> although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was 
>>>> excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that 
>>>> includes the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has 
>>>> the same awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has 
>>>> been producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. 
>>>> No thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works well 
>>>> for touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious typing 
>>>> in the world.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 5, 

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

 Do you not have a current apple watch?

 I use it with vo and find it great,sluggish in some cases but very usable.
God help me if there is a series 3 watch out later this year,
 I’m having trouble keeping up with what I want next 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Friday, 16 June 2017 7:45 AM
To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I want to know if a new Apple watch is coming out and get honest opinion from a 
person who uses it with voice Over.  Also, what is a magic keyboard?  I have an 
old Apple keyboard where you need to put batteries in to make it work.  If I 
were to get any keyboards, I'd need two keyboards and two new trackpads but at 
the moment, all my equipment is working here properly and I don't know what I'd 
do with the old keyboards and trackpads.  That's why I haven't bought anything 
yet.

Kawal.
> On 15 Jun 2017, at 20:40, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We still use lots of those older keyboards that came with the eMacs and the 
> original white iMacs.  They're quite sturdy old things, and the students 
> don't pick off the keys as much as they do with the newer aluminum kind.  I 
> prefer typing on the newer aluminum ones, but can't beat the toughness of 
> those older ones.  They also go through the dishwasher nicely when they need 
> a cleaning :).
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 15, 2017, at 13:25, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My primary keyboard on a Macintosh is still one from a eMac that came with a 
> G4 processor.
> Please give a shout out about the new keyboard once you have used it for a 
> week.
> 
> On 15 June 2017 at 13:43, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think I’d like the one with the keypad, I may have to try that out.  
> Starting to really like the original version though.  Work was good enough to 
> pick one up for me, it’s the first time I’ve used one.  Love it so far.
> 
> 
> > On Jun 14, 2017, at 4:40 PM, christopher hallsworth 
> > <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is 
> > still available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
> >> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from 
> >> Apple (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y 
> >> keyboards.  I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the 
> >> one I use wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys 
> >> including function.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
> >>> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together 
> >>> with Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that 
> >>> this new speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and 
> >>> adjust its output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit 
> >>> interested in the Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I 
> >>> would want. I'm disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but 
> >>> not surprised. And I think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has 
> >>> really good potential, although I will be curious to see how it all works 
> >>> with voiceover. I was excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth 
> >>> keyboard and that includes the number pad, only to be disappointed when I 
> >>> realized it has the same awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards 
> >>> that Apple has been producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing 
> >>> between the keys. No thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard 
> >>> that really works well for touch typist? That is after all, who does most 
> >>> of the serious typing in the world.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
> >>>>
> >>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shel

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I was reading about the new magic keyboard with number pad,

 Sounds bloody good I might have to give it a try.

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I think I’d like the one with the keypad, I may have to try that out.  Starting 
to really like the original version though.  Work was good enough to pick one 
up for me, it’s the first time I’ve used one.  Love it so far.


> On Jun 14, 2017, at 4:40 PM, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is 
> still available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from Apple 
>> (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y keyboards. 
>>  I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the one I use 
>> wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys including 
>> function.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
>>> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with 
>>> Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new 
>>> speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its 
>>> output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in the 
>>> Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm 
>>> disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I 
>>> think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, 
>>> although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was 
>>> excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that 
>>> includes the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the 
>>> same awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been 
>>> producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. No 
>>> thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works well for 
>>> touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious typing in the 
>>> world.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>>>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB 
>>>> of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>>>> starts a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

The Magic Keyboard is a wireless keyboard that uses a lightning cable to charge 
up a built in battery.  The Magic Mouse 2 and the newer TrackPads work in this 
manner as well.  The regular Magic Keyboard does not have a NumPad.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 15, 2017, at 13:44, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

I want to know if a new Apple watch is coming out and get honest opinion from a 
person who uses it with voice Over.  Also, what is a magic keyboard?  I have an 
old Apple keyboard where you need to put batteries in to make it work.  If I 
were to get any keyboards, I'd need two keyboards and two new trackpads but at 
the moment, all my equipment is working here properly and I don't know what I'd 
do with the old keyboards and trackpads.  That's why I haven't bought anything 
yet.

Kawal.
> On 15 Jun 2017, at 20:40, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We still use lots of those older keyboards that came with the eMacs and the 
> original white iMacs.  They're quite sturdy old things, and the students 
> don't pick off the keys as much as they do with the newer aluminum kind.  I 
> prefer typing on the newer aluminum ones, but can't beat the toughness of 
> those older ones.  They also go through the dishwasher nicely when they need 
> a cleaning :).
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 15, 2017, at 13:25, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> My primary keyboard on a Macintosh is still one from a eMac that came with a 
> G4 processor.
> Please give a shout out about the new keyboard once you have used it for a 
> week.
> 
> On 15 June 2017 at 13:43, Scott Granados  wrote:
> I think I’d like the one with the keypad, I may have to try that out.  
> Starting to really like the original version though.  Work was good enough to 
> pick one up for me, it’s the first time I’ve used one.  Love it so far.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 4:40 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is 
>> still available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
>>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from 
>>> Apple (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y 
>>> keyboards.  I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the one 
>>> I use wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys 
>>> including function.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
 pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with 
 Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new 
 speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its 
 output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in 
 the Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm 
 disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And 
 I think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, 
 although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was 
 excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that 
 includes the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has 
 the same awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has 
 been producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. 
 No thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works well 
 for touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious typing 
 in the world.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
> 
> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but 
> the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 
> GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the 
> device starts a
> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I want to know if a new Apple watch is coming out and get honest opinion from a 
person who uses it with voice Over.  Also, what is a magic keyboard?  I have an 
old Apple keyboard where you need to put batteries in to make it work.  If I 
were to get any keyboards, I'd need two keyboards and two new trackpads but at 
the moment, all my equipment is working here properly and I don't know what I'd 
do with the old keyboards and trackpads.  That's why I haven't bought anything 
yet.

Kawal.
> On 15 Jun 2017, at 20:40, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We still use lots of those older keyboards that came with the eMacs and the 
> original white iMacs.  They're quite sturdy old things, and the students 
> don't pick off the keys as much as they do with the newer aluminum kind.  I 
> prefer typing on the newer aluminum ones, but can't beat the toughness of 
> those older ones.  They also go through the dishwasher nicely when they need 
> a cleaning :).
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 15, 2017, at 13:25, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> My primary keyboard on a Macintosh is still one from a eMac that came with a 
> G4 processor.
> Please give a shout out about the new keyboard once you have used it for a 
> week.
> 
> On 15 June 2017 at 13:43, Scott Granados  wrote:
> I think I’d like the one with the keypad, I may have to try that out.  
> Starting to really like the original version though.  Work was good enough to 
> pick one up for me, it’s the first time I’ve used one.  Love it so far.
> 
> 
> > On Jun 14, 2017, at 4:40 PM, christopher hallsworth 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is 
> > still available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
> >> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados  wrote:
> >>
> >> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from 
> >> Apple (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y 
> >> keyboards.  I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the 
> >> one I use wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys 
> >> including function.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
> >>> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together 
> >>> with Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that 
> >>> this new speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and 
> >>> adjust its output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit 
> >>> interested in the Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I 
> >>> would want. I'm disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but 
> >>> not surprised. And I think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has 
> >>> really good potential, although I will be curious to see how it all works 
> >>> with voiceover. I was excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth 
> >>> keyboard and that includes the number pad, only to be disappointed when I 
> >>> realized it has the same awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards 
> >>> that Apple has been producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing 
> >>> between the keys. No thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard 
> >>> that really works well for touch typist? That is after all, who does most 
> >>> of the serious typing in the world.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados  
>  wrote:
> 
>  So what does everyone think of the announcements.
> 
>  Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but 
>  the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 
>  128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted 
>  the device starts a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

We still use lots of those older keyboards that came with the eMacs and the 
original white iMacs.  They're quite sturdy old things, and the students don't 
pick off the keys as much as they do with the newer aluminum kind.  I prefer 
typing on the newer aluminum ones, but can't beat the toughness of those older 
ones.  They also go through the dishwasher nicely when they need a cleaning :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 15, 2017, at 13:25, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

My primary keyboard on a Macintosh is still one from a eMac that came with a G4 
processor.
Please give a shout out about the new keyboard once you have used it for a week.

On 15 June 2017 at 13:43, Scott Granados > wrote:
I think I’d like the one with the keypad, I may have to try that out.  Starting 
to really like the original version though.  Work was good enough to pick one 
up for me, it’s the first time I’ve used one.  Love it so far.


> On Jun 14, 2017, at 4:40 PM, christopher hallsworth  > wrote:
>
> Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is 
> still available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>>
>> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from Apple 
>> (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y keyboards. 
>>  I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the one I use 
>> wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys including 
>> function.
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
>>> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with 
>>> Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new 
>>> speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its 
>>> output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in the 
>>> Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm 
>>> disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I 
>>> think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, 
>>> although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was 
>>> excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that 
>>> includes the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the 
>>> same awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been 
>>> producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. No 
>>> thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works well for 
>>> touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious typing in the 
>>> world.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:

 So what does everyone think of the announcements.

 Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
 new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB 
 of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
 starts a

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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Jonathan Cohn]

My primary keyboard on a Macintosh is still one from a eMac that came with
a G4 processor.
Please give a shout out about the new keyboard once you have used it for a
week.

On 15 June 2017 at 13:43, Scott Granados  wrote:

> I think I’d like the one with the keypad, I may have to try that out.
> Starting to really like the original version though.  Work was good enough
> to pick one up for me, it’s the first time I’ve used one.  Love it so far.
>
>
> > On Jun 14, 2017, at 4:40 PM, christopher hallsworth <
> challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is
> still available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
> >> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from
> Apple (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y
> keyboards.  I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the one
> I use wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys
> including function.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a
> stereo pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act
> together with Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea
> that this new speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room
> and adjust its output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit
> interested in the Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I
> would want. I'm disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not
> surprised. And I think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good
> potential, although I will be curious to see how it all works with
> voiceover. I was excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard
> and that includes the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized
> it has the same awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple
> has been producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the
> keys. No thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works
> well for touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious
> typing in the world.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
> 
>  So what does everyone think of the announcements.
> 
>  Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf
> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and
> 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the
> device starts a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

I think I’d like the one with the keypad, I may have to try that out.  Starting 
to really like the original version though.  Work was good enough to pick one 
up for me, it’s the first time I’ve used one.  Love it so far.


> On Jun 14, 2017, at 4:40 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is 
> still available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from Apple 
>> (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y keyboards. 
>>  I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the one I use 
>> wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys including 
>> function.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
>>> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with 
>>> Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new 
>>> speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its 
>>> output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in the 
>>> Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm 
>>> disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I 
>>> think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, 
>>> although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was 
>>> excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that 
>>> includes the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the 
>>> same awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been 
>>> producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. No 
>>> thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works well for 
>>> touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious typing in the 
>>> world.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 So what does everyone think of the announcements.
 
 Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
 new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB 
 of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
 starts a
 
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

So is the magic 2 keyboard out?

I'd heard rumours but noghting since that it was to be released 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
Sent: Thursday, 15 June 2017 8:40 AM
To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is still 
available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from Apple 
> (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y keyboards.  
> I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the one I use 
> wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys including 
> function.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
>> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with 
>> Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new 
>> speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its 
>> output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in the 
>> Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm 
>> disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I 
>> think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, 
>> although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was 
>> excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that includes 
>> the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the same 
>> awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been 
>> producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. No 
>> thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works well for 
>> touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious typing in the 
>> world.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
>>> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>>> starts a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

I have to say what i am really looking forward to is their easier
image scanning thing , like if i take a picture of my mane, head,
eyes, it will directly tell me so,it is okay as it is  today, but it
could be better, it means that we could built things like TapTapSee
into the system, lots of things are coming up, i think:)

On 6/14/17, CHUCK REICHEL  wrote:
> Hi christopher,
>
> Can't wait till next january 2018!
> Mac Pro baby!
> YEAH!
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple!
> C.R.
>
>
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 4:47 PM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>
>> Sorry for the "incorrect" asumptions, so Mac Pro is getting a minor
>> refresh now, with a major refresh some time in 2018, sounds good for the
>> "pros" out there.
>>> On 14 Jun 2017, at 21:46, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> That is incorrect.  The Mac Pro is getting some minor updates right away,
>>> and a major revamp for release in 2018 or so.  Read about it here:
>>>
>>> http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac/new-mac-pro-2018-latest-rumours-release-date-uk-price-features-specs-3536364/
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 14:36, christopher hallsworth
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, Mac Pro is effectively discontinued, gone, but has been replaced
>>> with the iMac Pro coming this December.
 On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:32, CHUCK REICHEL 
 wrote:

 Hi Chris,
 I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
 I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought
 may be apple went early?
 I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
 GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple




 On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging
> 2009 model.
>
> CB
>
> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed,
>> Great stuff if your into video creation / editing or virtual reality
>> creation but really nothing exciting
>> Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that for years
>> / versions,
>> So has firefox and google chrome,
>> The files app / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home
>> speaker to me is just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a
>> lesser scale,
>> I don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my
>> itunes music library
>> As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just an increase in
>> processor type / quality up to the cabielake,
>> Still I think the notebooks are lacking in features.
>>
>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have
>> said,
>> Holy bad ass batman!
>>
>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>>
>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>>
>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
>> 
>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>
>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>
>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but
>> the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and
>> 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted
>> the device starts a
>>
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi christopher,

Can't wait till next january 2018!
Mac Pro baby!
YEAH!
GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple!
C.R.


On Jun 14, 2017, at 4:47 PM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

> Sorry for the "incorrect" asumptions, so Mac Pro is getting a minor refresh 
> now, with a major refresh some time in 2018, sounds good for the "pros" out 
> there.
>> On 14 Jun 2017, at 21:46, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> That is incorrect.  The Mac Pro is getting some minor updates right away, 
>> and a major revamp for release in 2018 or so.  Read about it here:
>> 
>> http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac/new-mac-pro-2018-latest-rumours-release-date-uk-price-features-specs-3536364/
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 14:36, christopher hallsworth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, Mac Pro is effectively discontinued, gone, but has been replaced with 
>> the iMac Pro coming this December.
>>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:32, CHUCK REICHEL  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Chris,
>>> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>>> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
>>> be apple went early?
>>> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
>>> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
 I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
 model.
 
 CB
 
 On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed,
> Great stuff if your into video creation / editing or virtual reality 
> creation but really nothing exciting
> Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that for years / 
> versions,
> So has firefox and google chrome,
> The files app / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker 
> to me is just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,
> I don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my 
> itunes music library
> As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just an increase in processor 
> type / quality up to the cabielake,
> Still I think the notebooks are lacking in features.
> 
> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have said,
> Holy bad ass batman!
> 
> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
> 
> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
> 
> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,  From: 
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
> 
> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but 
> the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 
> GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the 
> device starts a
> 
 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, they announced core bluetooth, which should work directly with devices 
like glucose monitors, they also mentioned some kind of interaction with gymp 
equipment, let's hope then watchOS 4 suits your diabetic and other health 
related needs.
> On 6 Jun 2017, at 08:12, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Any news on apple watch  OS  as far as any hints to what tim cook  is wearing 
> as far as cgm and that sort of stuff goes. I am a type 2 diabetic and  rely 
> on the  dexcom cgm and I was hoping for better advancements in this area with 
> a watch sort of device that apple could come up to give the 21 million 
> diabetics  in the world a reason to get an apple watch. I am still interested 
> to se if anything will be talked about that in the future.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 11:51 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I still think the sonos speaker range is far ahead of the apple home pod 
> speaker,
> 
> But I do like the previous question of will it have the 3.5mm headphone jack 
> or lightening connector for headphones,
> 
> I think it will be more the Bluetooth for the earpods
> 
> 
> But they are going to have to be bloody impressive for me to buy 1 let alone 
> 2 although  I'm not sure we get them this year or next -Original 
> Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 9:19 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with 
> Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new 
> speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its 
> output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in the 
> Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm 
> disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I 
> think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, 
> although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was 
> excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that includes 
> the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the same awful 
> feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been producing. No 
> key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. No thank you. Why oh 
> why can't they make a keyboard that really works well for touch typist? That 
> is after all, who does most of the serious typing in the world.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>> 
>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but 
>> the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 
>> 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted 
>> the device starts a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Sorry for the "incorrect" asumptions, so Mac Pro is getting a minor refresh 
now, with a major refresh some time in 2018, sounds good for the "pros" out 
there.
> On 14 Jun 2017, at 21:46, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> That is incorrect.  The Mac Pro is getting some minor updates right away, and 
> a major revamp for release in 2018 or so.  Read about it here:
> 
> http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac/new-mac-pro-2018-latest-rumours-release-date-uk-price-features-specs-3536364/
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 14:36, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello, Mac Pro is effectively discontinued, gone, but has been replaced with 
> the iMac Pro coming this December.
>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:32, CHUCK REICHEL  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
>> be apple went early?
>> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
>> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>>> model.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 Yeah can't say I was overly impressed,
 Great stuff if your into video creation / editing or virtual reality 
 creation but really nothing exciting
 Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that for years / 
 versions,
 So has firefox and google chrome,
 The files app / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker 
 to me is just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,
 I don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my 
 itunes music library
 As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just an increase in processor 
 type / quality up to the cabielake,
 Still I think the notebooks are lacking in features.
 
 The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have said,
 Holy bad ass batman!
 
 The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
 Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
 
 Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
 
 And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,  From: 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
 On Behalf Of Scott Granados
 Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
 To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
 Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
 
 So what does everyone think of the announcements.
 
 Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
 new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB 
 of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
 starts a
 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

That is incorrect.  The Mac Pro is getting some minor updates right away, and a 
major revamp for release in 2018 or so.  Read about it here:

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac/new-mac-pro-2018-latest-rumours-release-date-uk-price-features-specs-3536364/
 


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 14, 2017, at 14:36, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Hello, Mac Pro is effectively discontinued, gone, but has been replaced with 
the iMac Pro coming this December.
> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:32, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
> be apple went early?
> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>> model.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed,
>>> Great stuff if your into video creation / editing or virtual reality 
>>> creation but really nothing exciting
>>> Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that for years / 
>>> versions,
>>> So has firefox and google chrome,
>>> The files app / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to 
>>> me is just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,
>>> I don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my 
>>> itunes music library
>>> As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just an increase in processor 
>>> type / quality up to the cabielake,
>>> Still I think the notebooks are lacking in features.
>>> 
>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have said,
>>> Holy bad ass batman!
>>> 
>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>>> 
>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>>> 
>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,  From: 
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
>>> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>>> starts a
>>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is still 
available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from Apple 
> (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y keyboards.  
> I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the one I use 
> wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys including 
> function.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
>> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with 
>> Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new 
>> speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its 
>> output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in the 
>> Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm 
>> disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I 
>> think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, 
>> although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was 
>> excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that includes 
>> the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the same 
>> awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been 
>> producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. No 
>> thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works well for 
>> touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious typing in the 
>> world.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
>>> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>>> starts a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, Mac Pro is effectively discontinued, gone, but has been replaced with 
the iMac Pro coming this December.
> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:32, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
> be apple went early?
> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>> model.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed,
>>> Great stuff if your into video creation / editing or virtual reality 
>>> creation but really nothing exciting
>>> Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that for years / 
>>> versions,
>>> So has firefox and google chrome,
>>> The files app / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to 
>>> me is just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,
>>> I don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my 
>>> itunes music library
>>> As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just an increase in processor 
>>> type / quality up to the cabielake,
>>> Still I think the notebooks are lacking in features.
>>> 
>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have said,
>>> Holy bad ass batman!
>>> 
>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>>> 
>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>>> 
>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,  From: 
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
>>> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>>> starts a
>>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, accessibility does not suck, it's just how accessible the devs make 
their own apps, I myself am going back to Freeview over the air television as 
now feel both the Apple TV and any subscriptions are no longer worth the money, 
however will keep the Apple TV as a "fallback" device should the aerial break 
down or something.
> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:41, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 3rd 
> get from the perspective of a. user.
> 
> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon fire TV 
> is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and processor and in my 
> opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>>  Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know what I am 
>> missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One reason I want a 4fh is 
>> to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th? Send it to me. (smiles)
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in my 
>>> opinion.
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to get 
 numbers or punctuation.
 
 Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably like 
 Finder. Also a document scan function.
 
 iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I still 
 have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I had the 
 bucks.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people 
> excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but 
>>> the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 
>>> 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted 
>>> the device starts a
>>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I believe that it is supposed to work with third party streaming solutions like 
Spotify.  At least that's what I read somewhere.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 9, 2017, at 23:30, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

To me it's as you say simply a media device, an output for audio content,

Direct connectivity to your aple music account, which makes me wounder what 
happens if you use spotify rather than apple usic,
Will the home pod work with spotify and more to the point has it got VO for 
what ever setup it will require? 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 10:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

You know, Apple is not marketing this as a Google or Amazon competitor. I've 
seen a couple of articles that I thought made very good points, which is that 
there really marketing it towards the audio Lovers. Admittedly  quick reviews 
have been very impressed with the audio as compared to comparable Sonos 
speakers. The media made a mistake when they assumed it was going to be a "Siri 
speaker. It is an audio system with Siri which is different from echo Alexa, 
which doesn't sound that great or Google home, which ones wants to collect all 
your data and has a superior assistant but is not in the same league as the 
home pod for audio in terms of the speaker   Assistant at the expense of your 
privacy. Mark. The other stuff is nice, and might be useful. But this is going 
after people who might otherwise paisanos. I for one if this works will buy it 
if I'm still around. So this is too expensive 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 1:30 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
> alexa in the home .  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose these 
> are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 times the 
> cost of the Google Home.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we couldn't 
>> switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple suggests, 
>> why not switch?
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>>> works and works well.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
>>> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
>>> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
>>>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
>>>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
>>>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
>>>> Strømberg
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>>>> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
>>>> end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better 
>>>> sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. 
>>>> Should be able to route the phon

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

I bet it will have an accessible setup, that I’m not worried about.  Apple has 
never let me down in this area.
I’m down to give the speakers a try I just am concerned about Siri but 
as Mary and other’s mentioned it’s not a home pod it’s a speaker with some Siri 
features.  Looking at it that way I may be convinced to at leased audition a 
pair.

> On Jun 10, 2017, at 1:30 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> To me it's as you say simply a media device, an output for audio content,
> 
> Direct connectivity to your aple music account, which makes me wounder what 
> happens if you use spotify rather than apple usic,
> Will the home pod work with spotify and more to the point has it got VO for 
> what ever setup it will require?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 10:01 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> You know, Apple is not marketing this as a Google or Amazon competitor. I've 
> seen a couple of articles that I thought made very good points, which is that 
> there really marketing it towards the audio Lovers. Admittedly  quick reviews 
> have been very impressed with the audio as compared to comparable Sonos 
> speakers. The media made a mistake when they assumed it was going to be a 
> "Siri speaker. It is an audio system with Siri which is different from echo 
> Alexa, which doesn't sound that great or Google home, which ones wants to 
> collect all your data and has a superior assistant but is not in the same 
> league as the home pod for audio in terms of the speaker   Assistant at the 
> expense of your privacy. Mark. The other stuff is nice, and might be useful. 
> But this is going after people who might otherwise paisanos. I for one if 
> this works will buy it if I'm still around. So this is too expensive
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 1:30 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
>> alexa in the home .
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
>> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose 
>> these are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 
>> times the cost of the Google Home.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we 
>>> couldn't switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple 
>>> suggests, why not switch?
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>>>> works and works well.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can 
>>>> move our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple 
>>>> ones inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and
>>>>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to
>>>>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the
>>>>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje
>>>>> Strømberg
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>>>&

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

To me it's as you say simply a media device, an output for audio content,

Direct connectivity to your aple music account, which makes me wounder what 
happens if you use spotify rather than apple usic,
Will the home pod work with spotify and more to the point has it got VO for 
what ever setup it will require? 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 10:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

You know, Apple is not marketing this as a Google or Amazon competitor. I've 
seen a couple of articles that I thought made very good points, which is that 
there really marketing it towards the audio Lovers. Admittedly  quick reviews 
have been very impressed with the audio as compared to comparable Sonos 
speakers. The media made a mistake when they assumed it was going to be a "Siri 
speaker. It is an audio system with Siri which is different from echo Alexa, 
which doesn't sound that great or Google home, which ones wants to collect all 
your data and has a superior assistant but is not in the same league as the 
home pod for audio in terms of the speaker   Assistant at the expense of your 
privacy. Mark. The other stuff is nice, and might be useful. But this is going 
after people who might otherwise paisanos. I for one if this works will buy it 
if I'm still around. So this is too expensive 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 1:30 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
> alexa in the home .  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose these 
> are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 times the 
> cost of the Google Home.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we couldn't 
>> switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple suggests, 
>> why not switch?
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>>> works and works well.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
>>> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
>>> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
>>>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
>>>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
>>>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
>>>> Strømberg
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>>>> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
>>>> end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better 
>>>> sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. 
>>>> Should be able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the 
>>>> borring name again?
>>>> 
>>>> Take care
>>>> 
>>>>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
>>>>> 
>>&

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Mary Otten]

Well, I'm not going to rush out and be the first to buy these things. But if 
they do the job, after I read some reviews and hopefully get to listen to them 
somewhere, I would really strongly consider it, as it will help me get away 
from my aged Wi-Fi system which I need for my old stereo Systems. I'm sure 
they're not going to sound as good as my big floorstanding speakers. But 
downsizing could be in the future so maybe now might be the time to start. Or I 
should say next year. Everybody has different needs and priorities. Isn't 
choice wonderful?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, first, I sincerely hope you’re still around.  I’m pulling for you.
> 
> I get this approach from Apple and will give it a shot.  I’m not going to 
> completely discount something I haven’t tried.  Just call me skeptical but 
> willing to try.  Sonos sounds very good, the Google home sounds very good for 
> it’s size and regardless I don’t feel spied on.  I use google services a lot 
> and have done contract work for the company in years passed and feel 
> comfortable trading some data for the use of their services.  Are they 
> perfect, no but I’m not prepared to go as far as you Mary on that one.  TO 
> each their own.  I’m very down for good audio though so hopefully Apple will 
> win me over.
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> You know, Apple is not marketing this as a Google or Amazon competitor. I've 
>> seen a couple of articles that I thought made very good points, which is 
>> that there really marketing it towards the audio Lovers. Admittedly  quick 
>> reviews have been very impressed with the audio as compared to comparable 
>> Sonos speakers. The media made a mistake when they assumed it was going to 
>> be a "Siri speaker. It is an audio system with Siri which is different from 
>> echo Alexa, which doesn't sound that great or Google home, which ones wants 
>> to collect all your data and has a superior assistant but is not in the same 
>> league as the home pod for audio in terms of the speaker   Assistant at the 
>> expense of your privacy. Mark. The other stuff is nice, and might be useful. 
>> But this is going after people who might otherwise paisanos. I for one if 
>> this works will buy it if I'm still around. So this is too expensive 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 1:30 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
>>> alexa in the home .  
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-----
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri 
>>> as part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose 
>>> these are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 
>>> times the cost of the Google Home.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we 
>>>> couldn't switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple 
>>>> suggests, why not switch?
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know 
>>>>> it works and works well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can 
>>>>> move our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple 
>>>>> ones inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[gary-melconian]

Plus 1 to that post of your scott.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 10:25 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Well, first, I sincerely hope you’re still around.  I’m pulling for you.

I get this approach from Apple and will give it a shot.  I’m not going to 
completely discount something I haven’t tried.  Just call me skeptical but 
willing to try.  Sonos sounds very good, the Google home sounds very good for 
it’s size and regardless I don’t feel spied on.  I use google services a lot 
and have done contract work for the company in years passed and feel 
comfortable trading some data for the use of their services.  Are they perfect, 
no but I’m not prepared to go as far as you Mary on that one.  TO each their 
own.  I’m very down for good audio though so hopefully Apple will win me over.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You know, Apple is not marketing this as a Google or Amazon competitor. I've 
> seen a couple of articles that I thought made very good points, which is that 
> there really marketing it towards the audio Lovers. Admittedly  quick reviews 
> have been very impressed with the audio as compared to comparable Sonos 
> speakers. The media made a mistake when they assumed it was going to be a 
> "Siri speaker. It is an audio system with Siri which is different from echo 
> Alexa, which doesn't sound that great or Google home, which ones wants to 
> collect all your data and has a superior assistant but is not in the same 
> league as the home pod for audio in terms of the speaker   Assistant at the 
> expense of your privacy. Mark. The other stuff is nice, and might be useful. 
> But this is going after people who might otherwise paisanos. I for one if 
> this works will buy it if I'm still around. So this is too expensive 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 1:30 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
>> alexa in the home .  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
>> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose 
>> these are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 
>> times the cost of the Google Home.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we 
>>> couldn't switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple 
>>> suggests, why not switch?
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>>>> works and works well.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can 
>>>> move our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple 
>>>> ones inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos 
>>>>> and the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me 
>>>>> to purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job 
>>>>> the home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
>>>>> Strømberg
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>>>>&g

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

Well, first, I sincerely hope you’re still around.  I’m pulling for you.

I get this approach from Apple and will give it a shot.  I’m not going to 
completely discount something I haven’t tried.  Just call me skeptical but 
willing to try.  Sonos sounds very good, the Google home sounds very good for 
it’s size and regardless I don’t feel spied on.  I use google services a lot 
and have done contract work for the company in years passed and feel 
comfortable trading some data for the use of their services.  Are they perfect, 
no but I’m not prepared to go as far as you Mary on that one.  TO each their 
own.  I’m very down for good audio though so hopefully Apple will win me over.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You know, Apple is not marketing this as a Google or Amazon competitor. I've 
> seen a couple of articles that I thought made very good points, which is that 
> there really marketing it towards the audio Lovers. Admittedly  quick reviews 
> have been very impressed with the audio as compared to comparable Sonos 
> speakers. The media made a mistake when they assumed it was going to be a 
> "Siri speaker. It is an audio system with Siri which is different from echo 
> Alexa, which doesn't sound that great or Google home, which ones wants to 
> collect all your data and has a superior assistant but is not in the same 
> league as the home pod for audio in terms of the speaker   Assistant at the 
> expense of your privacy. Mark. The other stuff is nice, and might be useful. 
> But this is going after people who might otherwise paisanos. I for one if 
> this works will buy it if I'm still around. So this is too expensive 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 1:30 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
>> alexa in the home .  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
>> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose 
>> these are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 
>> times the cost of the Google Home.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we 
>>> couldn't switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple 
>>> suggests, why not switch?
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>>>> works and works well.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can 
>>>> move our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple 
>>>> ones inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
>>>>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
>>>>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
>>>>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
>>>>> Strømberg
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>>>>> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>>> 
>>>>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro l

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Donna Goodin]

Nice points, Mary.

Pulling for you to still be around!  Hang in there!
Best,
Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You know, Apple is not marketing this as a Google or Amazon competitor. I've 
> seen a couple of articles that I thought made very good points, which is that 
> there really marketing it towards the audio Lovers. Admittedly  quick reviews 
> have been very impressed with the audio as compared to comparable Sonos 
> speakers. The media made a mistake when they assumed it was going to be a 
> "Siri speaker. It is an audio system with Siri which is different from echo 
> Alexa, which doesn't sound that great or Google home, which ones wants to 
> collect all your data and has a superior assistant but is not in the same 
> league as the home pod for audio in terms of the speaker   Assistant at the 
> expense of your privacy. Mark. The other stuff is nice, and might be useful. 
> But this is going after people who might otherwise paisanos. I for one if 
> this works will buy it if I'm still around. So this is too expensive 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 1:30 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
>> alexa in the home .  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
>> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose 
>> these are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 
>> times the cost of the Google Home.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we 
>>> couldn't switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple 
>>> suggests, why not switch?
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>>>> works and works well.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can 
>>>> move our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple 
>>>> ones inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
>>>>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
>>>>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
>>>>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
>>>>> Strømberg
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>>>>> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>>> 
>>>>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
>>>>> end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better 
>>>>> sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. 
>>>>> Should be able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the 
>>>>> borring name again?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Take care
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Scott,
>>>>>> I see. A friend lost his

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Mary Otten]

You know, Apple is not marketing this as a Google or Amazon competitor. I've 
seen a couple of articles that I thought made very good points, which is that 
there really marketing it towards the audio Lovers. Admittedly  quick reviews 
have been very impressed with the audio as compared to comparable Sonos 
speakers. The media made a mistake when they assumed it was going to be a "Siri 
speaker. It is an audio system with Siri which is different from echo Alexa, 
which doesn't sound that great or Google home, which ones wants to collect all 
your data and has a superior assistant but is not in the same league as the 
home pod for audio in terms of the speaker   Assistant at the expense of your 
privacy. Mark. The other stuff is nice, and might be useful. But this is going 
after people who might otherwise paisanos. I for one if this works will buy it 
if I'm still around. So this is too expensive 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 1:30 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
> alexa in the home .  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose these 
> are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 times the 
> cost of the Google Home.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we couldn't 
>> switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple suggests, 
>> why not switch?
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>>> works and works well.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
>>> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
>>> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
>>>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
>>>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
>>>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
>>>> Strømberg
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>>>> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
>>>> end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better 
>>>> sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. 
>>>> Should be able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the 
>>>> borring name again?
>>>> 
>>>> Take care
>>>> 
>>>>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott,
>>>>> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
>>>>> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
>>>>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>&g

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Donna Goodin]

I seriously think you're misreading this thread.  What a lot of us are saying 
is that we are interested, and also somewhat skeptical, to varying degrees in 
both cases.  Most of us are here because we've had good experiences with Apple 
products in the past.  That being the case, why wouldn't we want to know more 
about the HomePod, and possibly consider it for purchase.  I haven't heard 
anyone say they're jumping blindly on the bandwagon.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:10 PM, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The fact that people are going so crazy over this home pod proves that
> apple can sell anything and make it sound good. I might use some apple
> products  but got to stay away from this speaker.
> 
> On 6/8/17, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I’ll be ordering one next week if all goes well glad to review it before you
>> spend the bean.
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:46 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You got me convinced to get a few for my new house.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:41 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> I know they made some hiring moves and brought in some heavy hitters from
>>> CMU.
>>> 
>>> Apple has the money to catch up and throw at the problem so I’m sure they
>>> will but Google also has the money to keep the screws to Apple as well.
>>> I’m just very impressed with the Google assistant and google home.  That’s
>>> me though.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:30 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and
>>>> alexa in the home .
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri
>>>> as part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I
>>>> suppose these are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more
>>>> than 3 times the cost of the Google Home.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we
>>>>> couldn't switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as
>>>>> Apple suggests, why not switch?
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know
>>>>>> it works and works well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can
>>>>>> move our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple
>>>>>> ones inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and
>>>>>>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to
>>>>>>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the
>>>>>>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Orig

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[lenron brown]

The fact that people are going so crazy over this home pod proves that
apple can sell anything and make it sound good. I might use some apple
products  but got to stay away from this speaker.

On 6/8/17, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I’ll be ordering one next week if all goes well glad to review it before you
> spend the bean.
>
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:46 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> You got me convinced to get a few for my new house.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:41 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>
>> I know they made some hiring moves and brought in some heavy hitters from
>> CMU.
>>
>> Apple has the money to catch up and throw at the problem so I’m sure they
>> will but Google also has the money to keep the screws to Apple as well.
>> I’m just very impressed with the Google assistant and google home.  That’s
>> me though.
>>
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:30 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and
>>> alexa in the home .
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>
>>> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri
>>> as part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I
>>> suppose these are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more
>>> than 3 times the cost of the Google Home.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we
>>>> couldn't switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as
>>>> Apple suggests, why not switch?
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know
>>>>> it works and works well.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can
>>>>> move our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple
>>>>> ones inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and
>>>>>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to
>>>>>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the
>>>>>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje
>>>>>> Strømberg
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>>>>>> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like
>>>>>> high end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have
>>>>>> better sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone
>>>>>> function. Should be able to route the phone aud

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

I’ll be ordering one next week if all goes well glad to review it before you 
spend the bean.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:46 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You got me convinced to get a few for my new house.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:41 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I know they made some hiring moves and brought in some heavy hitters from CMU.
> 
> Apple has the money to catch up and throw at the problem so I’m sure they 
> will but Google also has the money to keep the screws to Apple as well.  I’m 
> just very impressed with the Google assistant and google home.  That’s me 
> though.
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:30 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
>> alexa in the home .  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
>> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose 
>> these are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 
>> times the cost of the Google Home.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we 
>>> couldn't switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple 
>>> suggests, why not switch?
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>>>> works and works well.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can 
>>>> move our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple 
>>>> ones inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
>>>>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
>>>>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
>>>>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
>>>>> Strømberg
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>>>>> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>>> 
>>>>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
>>>>> end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better 
>>>>> sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. 
>>>>> Should be able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the 
>>>>> borring name again?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Take care
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Scott,
>>>>>> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was 
>>>>>> no longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep a

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[gary-melconian]

You got me convinced to get a few for my new house.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:41 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I know they made some hiring moves and brought in some heavy hitters from CMU.

Apple has the money to catch up and throw at the problem so I’m sure they will 
but Google also has the money to keep the screws to Apple as well.  I’m just 
very impressed with the Google assistant and google home.  That’s me though.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:30 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
> alexa in the home .  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose these 
> are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 times the 
> cost of the Google Home.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we couldn't 
>> switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple suggests, 
>> why not switch?
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>>> works and works well.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
>>> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
>>> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
>>>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
>>>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
>>>> home pods do and all from my phone.-----Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
>>>> Strømberg
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>>>> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
>>>> end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better 
>>>> sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. 
>>>> Should be able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the 
>>>> borring name again?
>>>> 
>>>> Take care
>>>> 
>>>>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott,
>>>>> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
>>>>> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
>>>>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>>>>>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The apps a

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

I know they made some hiring moves and brought in some heavy hitters from CMU.

Apple has the money to catch up and throw at the problem so I’m sure they will 
but Google also has the money to keep the screws to Apple as well.  I’m just 
very impressed with the Google assistant and google home.  That’s me though.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:30 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
> alexa in the home .  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose these 
> are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 times the 
> cost of the Google Home.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we couldn't 
>> switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple suggests, 
>> why not switch?
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>>> works and works well.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
>>> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
>>> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
>>>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
>>>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
>>>> home pods do and all from my phone.-----Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
>>>> Strømberg
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>>>> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
>>>> end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better 
>>>> sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. 
>>>> Should be able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the 
>>>> borring name again?
>>>> 
>>>> Take care
>>>> 
>>>>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott,
>>>>> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
>>>>> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
>>>>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>>>>>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
>>>>>> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
>>>>>> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 A

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[gary-melconian]

Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and alexa 
in the home .  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose these 
are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 times the 
cost of the Google Home.
 

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we couldn't 
> switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple suggests, 
> why not switch?
> Donna
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>> works and works well.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
>> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
>> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
>>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
>>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
>>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
>>> Strømberg
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>>> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
>>> end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound 
>>> than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be 
>>> able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name 
>>> again?
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
>>>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> Scott,
>>>> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
>>>> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
>>>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>>>>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
>>>>> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
>>>>> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Scott,
>>>>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
>>>>>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One 
>>>>>> reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
>>>>>> Send it to me. (smiles)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>>>> your mind off and say God did it

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Donna Goodin]

Like I said, I want to wait and see.  I'm curious and intrigued, but I'll see 
some reviews before I take the plunge.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose these 
> are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 times the 
> cost of the Google Home.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we couldn't 
>> switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple suggests, 
>> why not switch?
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>>> works and works well.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
>>> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
>>> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
>>>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
>>>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
>>>> home pods do and all from my phone.-----Original Message-----
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>>>> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
>>>> end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better 
>>>> sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. 
>>>> Should be able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the 
>>>> borring name again?
>>>> 
>>>> Take care
>>>> 
>>>>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott,
>>>>> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
>>>>> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
>>>>> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>>>>>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
>>>>>> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
>>>>>> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Scott,
>>>>>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
>>>>>>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One 
>>>>>>> reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
>>>>>>> Send it to me. (smiles)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all th

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose these 
are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 times the 
cost of the Google Home.
 

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we couldn't 
> switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple suggests, 
> why not switch?
> Donna
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>> works and works well.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
>> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
>> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
>>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
>>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
>>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>>> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
>>> end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound 
>>> than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be 
>>> able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name 
>>> again?
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
>>>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> Scott,
>>>> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
>>>> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
>>>> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>>>>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
>>>>> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
>>>>> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Scott,
>>>>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
>>>>>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One 
>>>>>> reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
>>>>>> Send it to me. (smiles)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your 
>>>>>> mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>>>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
>>>>>>> my opinion.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Donna Goodin]

Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we couldn't 
switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple suggests, why 
not switch?
Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
> works and works well.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high end 
>> if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound than 
>> Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be able to 
>> route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name again?
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
>>> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
>>> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>>>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>>> 
>>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon fire 
>>>> TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and processor and 
>>>> in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott,
>>>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
>>>>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One 
>>>>> reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
>>>>> Send it to me. (smiles)
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your 
>>>>> mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
>>>>>> my opinion.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
>>>>>>> get numbers or punctuation.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
>>>>>>> like Finder. Also a document scan function.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
>>>>>>> still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
>>

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Simon,
Good info.
My Card cage for the avid pro tools HDX system only goes up to thunderbolt 2 so 
I'll half to adapt that i guess! :)
GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple!
C.R.


On Jun 8, 2017, at 5:35 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> No, other way around,
> USB C can also double as thunderbolt 3,
> Then you can get a thunderbolt 3 to thunderbolt 2 adaptor which allows you to 
> use a tb 2 cable with it.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 3:51 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>  
> Now that’s just stupid.:)
>  
> Really, they call USB-C thunderbolt 3.  Let’s all call USB 3.0 thunderbolt 2? 
>  Maybe ethernet should be speedy-network3.
>  
> Sometimes I wonder what they are thinking.
>  
>  
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  
> I believe they call USB-C Thunderbolt 3 just to confuse us all. 
>  
> My memory is that there are two usb-c on  the iMac and 4 on the iMac Pro.
>  
> Best Wishes,
>  
> Jonathan Cohn
>  
>  
> On 7 June 2017 at 09:48, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is the new iMac coming with thunderbolt or USB-C?  Apple seems to be moving 
> to USB-C which is why I ask.
> 
> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:47 AM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Simon,
> >
> > Interesting.
> > I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is 
> > its release date?
> > What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
> > cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my 
> > pro tools HDX cards.
> >
> > GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> > CR
> >
> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> >
> >> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
> >>
> >> Up to 18 core processors,
> >> Intel xeon range,
> >> And up to 128 GB ram.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> >>
> >> Hi Chris,
> >> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
> >> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought 
> >> may be apple went early?
> >> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
> >> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
> >>> model.
> >>>
> >>> CB
> >>>
> >>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> >>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video
> >>>> creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing
> >>>> exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that
> >>>> for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The files app
> >>>> / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to me is
> >>>> just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,  I
> >>>> don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my
> >>>> itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just 
> >>>> an increase in processor type / quality up to the cabielake, Still I 
> >>>> think the notebooks are lacking in features.
> >>>>
> >>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have
> >>>> said, Holy bad ass batman!
> >>>>
> >>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
> >>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
> >>>>
> >>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
> >>>>
> >>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,
> >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >>>>

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi David,

 I'll be interested to hear how you find them.

 I'm interested to see when they turn up here in NZ,
I know austrailia is one of the first to receive them but will NZ be included 
in the same group.

They will cost more than the sonos play 1 here though, so will need to be 
bloody good quality sound to get me to buy one.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 5:37 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I agree. We were thinking of acquiring a few more Sonos speakers to fully fill 
the house. We are now going to wait until the HomePod is released and see how 
it sounds, and how well we might be able to intigrate it with the Sonos system.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 7/06/2017, at 22:01, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high end 
>> if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound than 
>> Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be able to 
>> route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name again?
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
>>> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
>>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your 
>>> mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>>>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>>> 
>>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon fire 
>>>> TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and processor and 
>>>> in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott,
>>>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
>>>>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One 
>>>>> reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
>>>>> Send it to me. (smiles)
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
>>>>>> my opinion.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
>>>>>>> get numbers or punctuation.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Some other changes

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

Buy the adaptor,
And it is the same setup for the new mac book and mac book pros.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 6:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I guess that’s interesting but it seems almost in the why bother file.  Still, 
good to know.  Funny how they changed the adapter shaped so all my old 
thunderbolt doesn’t fit.:)

On Jun 7, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Tim Kilburn 
<kilbu...@me.com<mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Yeah, it sounds like there's some smart chip sorts of stuff in the port or 
cabling that determines the device and interface then proceeds from there.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:38, Scott Granados 
<scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So what does it just figure out what’s plugged in because I’ve plugged native 
USB-C in to the ports and it works.

Clever if not confusing.

On Jun 7, 2017, at 12:02 PM, Tim Kilburn 
<kilbu...@me.com<mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Actually, USB C and Thunderbolt 3 are different transfer protocols, but can use 
the same cable.  It's kind of a standardization of cabling, but still a 
different data transfer system.  Thunderbolt is supposedly faster and has more 
back and forth traffic capabilities.

Some info at this link:

https://thunderbolttechnology.net/blog/difference-between-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 7, 2017, at 09:51, Scott Granados 
<scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Now that’s just stupid.:)

Really, they call USB-C thunderbolt 3.  Let’s all call USB 3.0 thunderbolt 2?  
Maybe ethernet should be speedy-network3.

Sometimes I wonder what they are thinking.


On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Cohn 
<jon.c.c...@gmail.com<mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I believe they call USB-C Thunderbolt 3 just to confuse us all.

My memory is that there are two usb-c on  the iMac and 4 on the iMac Pro.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 7 June 2017 at 09:48, Scott Granados 
<scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Is the new iMac coming with thunderbolt or USB-C?  Apple seems to be moving to 
USB-C which is why I ask.

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:47 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
> <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com<mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> Interesting.
> I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is 
> its release date?
> What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
> cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my 
> pro tools HDX cards.
>
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> CR
>
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>
>> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
>>
>> Up to 18 core processors,
>> Intel xeon range,
>> And up to 128 GB ram.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>]
>>  On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
>> be apple went early?
>> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
>> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>
>>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>>> model.
>>>
>>> CB
>>>
>>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video
>>>> creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing
>>>> exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that
>>>> for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The files app
>>>> / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to me is
>>>> just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,  I
>>>> don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

But remember all the mac computers are upgradable or customisable from the 
factory,
 And solidering to the main board allows them to save space making things 
thinner / lighter,
 And apple aren't the only ones doing this now.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 4:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Really with Apple’s business models lately you’re not supposed to upgrade the 
hardware.  No user serviceable parts inside and all that.  They hard solder a 
lot to the boards now.  This gets you to buy a whole new unit.  I don’t like 
this strategy but there you go, my portfolio does but I don’t.  I’d be 
surprised if the new Mac Pro is hugely upgradable, I hope I’m wrong.


> On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Barry Hadder <bhad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> They have already announced that there will be a modular Mac Pro but that it 
> wouldn't be ready this year.  I've never heard a release date.
> There is know way that an all in one can take it's place.  An iMac is not as 
> configurable or upgradable over time.  That is essentially why the trash can 
> failed.
> 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 07:47, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> Interesting.
> I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is 
> its release date?
> What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
> cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my 
> pro tools HDX cards.
> 
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple CR
> 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
>> 
>> Up to 18 core processors,
>> Intel xeon range,
>> And up to 128 GB ram.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
>> be apple went early?
>> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
>> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>>> model.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into 
>>>> video creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really 
>>>> nothing exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE 
>>>> has had that for years / versions, So has firefox and google 
>>>> chrome, The files app / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the 
>>>> home speaker to me is just an apple version of my sonos speakers 
>>>> but on a lesser scale,  I don't always have apple music signed up 
>>>> to but do use spotify and my itunes music library  As for the hardware, 
>>>> well the notebooks are just an increase in processor type / quality up to 
>>>> the cabielake, Still I think the notebooks are lacking in features.
>>>> 
>>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have 
>>>> said, Holy bad ass batman!
>>>> 
>>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>>>> 
>>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>>>> 
>>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott 
>>>> Granados
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
>>>>

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

No, other way around,
USB C can also double as thunderbolt 3,
Then you can get a thunderbolt 3 to thunderbolt 2 adaptor which allows you to 
use a tb 2 cable with it.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 3:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Now that’s just stupid.:)

Really, they call USB-C thunderbolt 3.  Let’s all call USB 3.0 thunderbolt 2?  
Maybe ethernet should be speedy-network3.

Sometimes I wonder what they are thinking.


On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Cohn 
<jon.c.c...@gmail.com<mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I believe they call USB-C Thunderbolt 3 just to confuse us all.

My memory is that there are two usb-c on  the iMac and 4 on the iMac Pro.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 7 June 2017 at 09:48, Scott Granados 
<scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Is the new iMac coming with thunderbolt or USB-C?  Apple seems to be moving to 
USB-C which is why I ask.

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:47 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
> <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com<mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> Interesting.
> I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is 
> its release date?
> What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
> cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my 
> pro tools HDX cards.
>
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> CR
>
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>
>> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
>>
>> Up to 18 core processors,
>> Intel xeon range,
>> And up to 128 GB ram.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>]
>>  On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
>> be apple went early?
>> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
>> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>
>>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>>> model.
>>>
>>> CB
>>>
>>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video
>>>> creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing
>>>> exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that
>>>> for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The files app
>>>> / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to me is
>>>> just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,  I
>>>> don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my
>>>> itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just an 
>>>> increase in processor type / quality up to the cabielake, Still I think 
>>>> the notebooks are lacking in features.
>>>>
>>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have
>>>> said, Holy bad ass batman!
>>>>
>>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>>>>
>>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>>>>
>>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,
>>>> From: 
>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>]
>>>>  On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>>
>>>> So wha

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

Scott,

 Both,
USB C and that of course is also doubled as Thunderbolt 3 I do beleave there is 
only 2 of them on the iMac where as 4 of them on the iMac Pro.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 1:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Is the new iMac coming with thunderbolt or USB-C?  Apple seems to be moving to 
USB-C which is why I ask.

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:47 AM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> Interesting.
> I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is 
> its release date?
> What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
> cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my 
> pro tools HDX cards.
> 
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple CR
> 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
>> 
>> Up to 18 core processors,
>> Intel xeon range,
>> And up to 128 GB ram.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
>> be apple went early?
>> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
>> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>>> model.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into 
>>>> video creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really 
>>>> nothing exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE 
>>>> has had that for years / versions, So has firefox and google 
>>>> chrome, The files app / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the 
>>>> home speaker to me is just an apple version of my sonos speakers 
>>>> but on a lesser scale,  I don't always have apple music signed up 
>>>> to but do use spotify and my itunes music library  As for the hardware, 
>>>> well the notebooks are just an increase in processor type / quality up to 
>>>> the cabielake, Still I think the notebooks are lacking in features.
>>>> 
>>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have 
>>>> said, Holy bad ass batman!
>>>> 
>>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>>>> 
>>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>>>> 
>>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott 
>>>> Granados
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
>>>> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 
>>>> cores and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.
>>>> Granted the device starts a
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>> 
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

You guys need to check out pricing for digital products in NZ,
 Have a look at the apple pricing on the www.apple.co.nz site,
 Don't drink alcohol first as you'll probably throw up at the pricing we have.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 1:45 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Lenron, amazon fire TV is less expensive than Apple.  The fire stick is only 
$35 if memory serves and the full fire TV set top box is $99.

 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:13 AM, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Apple 3g tv was great the 4g ucks. Siri is ok and a couple other 
> things. Might look in to trading up to the amazon fire tv soonish.
> 
> On 6/6/17, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> Actually, the TV app misses some things.  In my experience, when you 
>> get recommendations based on other things you have watched, they are 
>> not accessible with Voiceover.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>>> <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> TV app works fine.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 4:25 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> You raise an interesting point.  Thinking about Netflix, I wonder 
>>> how the phone app and the TV app compare.  I have the app on my 
>>> phone, but never use it.  I may have to check it out further just out of 
>>> curiosity.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Scott Granados 
>>>> <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I think it depends on how the accessibility is implemented.  Issues 
>>>> on Apple may not exist on Android and vise versa.  Just a guess but 
>>>> I suspect that’s part of it.  Also, Apple has not done nearly as 
>>>> good of a job insisting on accessibility on the TV unit as they 
>>>> have on the phone in my opinion.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> that's interesting.  Given that the same issue of app developers 
>>>>> building--or not building in accessibility, it would seem that 
>>>>> apps that have problems on one device would have problems on the other.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As for 3 vs. 4th gen, it's true the 3rd gen was a cleaner 
>>>>> interface but it also didn't try to do as much.  I like the keypad 
>>>>> on the 4th, and the addition of Siri.  I also like the touchpad, 
>>>>> for me it makes many things more efficient.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Scott Granados 
>>>>>> <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The apps are far more hit and miss in my experience than the fire TV.
>>>>>> Not sure what’s at work there.  THere’s just simple stuff like 
>>>>>> consistently getting the code read to you that you use to 
>>>>>> register with the provider to stream live content.  My local 
>>>>>> channels apps like CBS work more consistently and accessibly in 
>>>>>> my experience.  I’m a much bigger fan of the generation 3 than 
>>>>>> the 4.  The 3 was much cleaner and didn’t depend on 3rd parties as much.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How do you figure the accessibility sucks?  I mean, it's true, 
>>>>>>> the 3rd-party apps can be dicey, as they depend on whether the 
>>>>>>> developer has made them accessible.  But I have no accessibility 
>>>>>>> gripes  with the Apple TV itself.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Scott Granados 
>>>>>>>> <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself 
&

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

Oh and also a 10Gigabit ethernet port, first on a Mac desktop machine.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Hi Simon,

Interesting.
I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is its 
release date?
What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be cool 
also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my pro tools 
HDX cards.

GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple CR

On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
> 
> Up to 18 core processors,
> Intel xeon range,
> And up to 128 GB ram.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> Hi Chris,
> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
> be apple went early?
> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>> model.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into 
>>> video creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really 
>>> nothing exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has 
>>> had that for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The 
>>> files app / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker 
>>> to me is just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser 
>>> scale,  I don't always have apple music signed up to but do use 
>>> spotify and my itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the 
>>> notebooks are just an increase in processor type / quality up to the 
>>> cabielake, Still I think the notebooks are lacking in features.
>>> 
>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have 
>>> said, Holy bad ass batman!
>>> 
>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>>> 
>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>>> 
>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
>>> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 
>>> cores and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.
>>> Granted the device starts a
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>> 
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Chuck,

 I thought the new imac pro started being released in December, I'm sure they 
said the iMac pro had 4 USB C / Thunderbolt 3 ports on the back, enough for 2 
external 5 k screens and 2 high performance raid arrays 
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Hi Simon,

Interesting.
I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is its 
release date?
What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be cool 
also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my pro tools 
HDX cards.

GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple CR

On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
> 
> Up to 18 core processors,
> Intel xeon range,
> And up to 128 GB ram.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> Hi Chris,
> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
> be apple went early?
> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>> model.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into 
>>> video creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really 
>>> nothing exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has 
>>> had that for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The 
>>> files app / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker 
>>> to me is just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser 
>>> scale,  I don't always have apple music signed up to but do use 
>>> spotify and my itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the 
>>> notebooks are just an increase in processor type / quality up to the 
>>> cabielake, Still I think the notebooks are lacking in features.
>>> 
>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have 
>>> said, Holy bad ass batman!
>>> 
>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>>> 
>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>>> 
>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
>>> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 
>>> cores and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.
>>> Granted the device starts a
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>> 
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
works and works well.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move our 
two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones inside.  
Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high end 
> if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound than 
> Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be able to 
> route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name again?
> 
> Take care
> 
>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
>> 
>> Scott,
>>  I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
>> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
>> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>> 
>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon fire 
>>> TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and processor and 
>>> in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Scott,
>>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
>>>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One 
>>>> reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
>>>> Send it to me. (smiles)
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your 
>>>> mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in my 
>>>>> opinion.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
>>>>>> get numbers or punctuation.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
>>>>>> like Finder. Also a document scan function.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
>>>>>> still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
>>>>>> had the bucks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>>>>> So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, bu

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

I thought the home pod had airplay 2 


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Brent Harding
Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 10:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I wonder if the Home Pod will support Airplay for the times when you have to 
play stuff from the phone, such as Tunein Premium, Netflix/Hulu audio, etc? 
Not even the Echo Dot will probably get the sports stuff on Tunein Premium, so 
the phone will have to be the middle man again once football season starts 
again.

- Original Message -
From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:20 AM
Subject: RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?


I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and the home 
pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to purchase one or 
even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the home pods do and all 
from my phone.-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high end 
if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound than 
Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be able to 
route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name again?

Take care

> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
>
> Scott,
>   I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was 
> no longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world,
> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>
>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
>> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
>> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Scott,
>>>  Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know
>>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One reason
>>> I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
>>> Send it to me. (smiles)
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind
>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
>>>> my opinion.
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
>>>>> get numbers or punctuation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
>>>>> like Finder. Also a document scan function.
>>>>>
>>>>> iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
>>>>> still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
>>>>> had the bucks.
>>>>>
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the
>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn
>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>>>> So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people 
>>>>>> excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Donna
>>

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[David Chittenden]

I agree. We were thinking of acquiring a few more Sonos speakers to fully fill 
the house. We are now going to wait until the HomePod is released and see how 
it sounds, and how well we might be able to intigrate it with the Sonos system.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 7/06/2017, at 22:01, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and the home 
>> pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to purchase one or 
>> even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the home pods do and all 
>> from my phone.-Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high end 
>> if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound than 
>> Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be able to 
>> route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name again?
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
>>> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
>>> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>>>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>>> 
>>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon fire 
>>>> TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and processor and 
>>>> in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott,
>>>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
>>>>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One reason 
>>>>> I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th? 
>>>>> Send it to me. (smiles)
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
>>>>>> my opinion.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
>>>>>>> get numbers or punctuation.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
>>>>>>> like Finder. Also a document scan function.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
>>>>>>> still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
>>>>>>> had the bucks.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>>>>

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[David Chittenden]

No, they state that two of the USBC ports are also Thunderbolt 3 ports as well 
on the MacBook Pro, and one of the two USBC ports on the MacBook is also a 
Thunderbolt 3 port.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 8/06/2017, at 01:13, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I believe they call USB-C Thunderbolt 3 just to confuse us all. 
> 
> My memory is that there are two usb-c on  the iMac and 4 on the iMac Pro.
> 
> Best Wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
>> On 7 June 2017 at 09:48, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Is the new iMac coming with thunderbolt or USB-C?  Apple seems to be moving 
>> to USB-C which is why I ask.
>> 
>> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:47 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>> > <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Simon,
>> >
>> > Interesting.
>> > I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January 
>> > is its release date?
>> > What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
>> > cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my 
>> > pro tools HDX cards.
>> >
>> > GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>> > CR
>> >
>> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
>> >>
>> >> Up to 18 core processors,
>> >> Intel xeon range,
>> >> And up to 128 GB ram.
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> >> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> >>
>> >> Hi Chris,
>> >> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>> >> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought 
>> >> may be apple went early?
>> >> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
>> >> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 
>> >>> 2009 model.
>> >>>
>> >>> CB
>> >>>
>> >>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> >>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video
>> >>>> creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing
>> >>>> exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that
>> >>>> for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The files app
>> >>>> / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to me is
>> >>>> just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,  I
>> >>>> don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my
>> >>>> itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just 
>> >>>> an increase in processor type / quality up to the cabielake, Still I 
>> >>>> think the notebooks are lacking in features.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have
>> >>>> said, Holy bad ass batman!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>> >>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,
>> >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>> >>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
>> >>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> >>>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> >>>>
>> >>>

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, I think the iMac hardware will be released in December? From reading?
> On 7 Jun 2017, at 09:13, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> USA Fall which is around September 
> 
> All os's will be released around the same time,
> As will the new iMac hardware.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:28 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> E.T. just get a new latest iPhone in September, IOS 11 won’t be out before 
> then probably although I’m not sure the release date.  I didn’t catch that in 
> the release as I could only drop in time to time.
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:22 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
>> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
>>> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores 
>>> and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  
>>> Granted the device starts a
>>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, you don't need an iMac Pro unless you are going to do some professional 
work. A Macbook or perhaps iMac or Mac Mini will satisfy the average user.
> On 7 Jun 2017, at 09:29, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I didn’t follow the wwdc so i don’t know much about it.
> But as you say the Imac pro sounds like something with the future in mind.
> I am not going to buy it as i don’t have a work to go to so my income is very 
> very low.
> /A
>> 5 juni 2017 kl. 22:38 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>> 
>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
>> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>> starts a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello I agree. Apple did empathise it as a "music speaker" rather than a "smart 
speaker" despite the Siri integration, so Airplay support is bound to be 
included thanks to the new Airplay 2. I've not watched the keynote yet; just 
something I have read about the web.
> On 7 Jun 2017, at 15:46, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Oh I'm sure the Home pod is going to support airplay. They're coming out with 
> airplay to, which will let you play multiple systems from your phone or 
> otherI-device. You could also use a chrome cast audio through an existing 
> hi-fi system with tune in.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:22 AM, Brent Harding <br...@hostany.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if the Home Pod will support Airplay for the times when you have to 
>> play stuff from the phone, such as Tunein Premium, Netflix/Hulu audio, etc? 
>> Not even the Echo Dot will probably get the sports stuff on Tunein Premium, 
>> so the phone will have to be the middle man again once football season 
>> starts again.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:20 AM
>> Subject: RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> 
>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and the home 
>> pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to purchase one or 
>> even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the home pods do and all 
>> from my phone.-Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high end 
>> if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound than 
>> Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be able to 
>> route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name again?
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
>>> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world,
>>> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>>>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>>> 
>>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon fire 
>>>> TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and processor and 
>>>> in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott,
>>>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know
>>>>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One reason
>>>>> I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
>>>>> Send it to me. (smiles)
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
>>>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind
>>>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
>>>>>> my opinion.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
>>>>>>> get numbers or punctuation.
&g

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Probably adaptors for that too.  I have so many adaptors and cables in my 
backpack, it's like a new Mom's purse, you can find just about anything you 
need in it.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 7, 2017, at 12:44, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

I guess that’s interesting but it seems almost in the why bother file.  Still, 
good to know.  Funny how they changed the adapter shaped so all my old 
thunderbolt doesn’t fit.:)

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, it sounds like there's some smart chip sorts of stuff in the port or 
> cabling that determines the device and interface then proceeds from there.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:38, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> So what does it just figure out what’s plugged in because I’ve plugged native 
> USB-C in to the ports and it works.
> 
> Clever if not confusing.
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 12:02 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Actually, USB C and Thunderbolt 3 are different transfer protocols, but can 
>> use the same cable.  It's kind of a standardization of cabling, but still a 
>> different data transfer system.  Thunderbolt is supposedly faster and has 
>> more back and forth traffic capabilities.
>> 
>> Some info at this link:
>> 
>> https://thunderbolttechnology.net/blog/difference-between-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3
>>  
>> <https://thunderbolttechnology.net/blog/difference-between-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3>
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 09:51, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Now that’s just stupid.:)
>> 
>> Really, they call USB-C thunderbolt 3.  Let’s all call USB 3.0 thunderbolt 
>> 2?  Maybe ethernet should be speedy-network3.
>> 
>> Sometimes I wonder what they are thinking.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I believe they call USB-C Thunderbolt 3 just to confuse us all. 
>>> 
>>> My memory is that there are two usb-c on  the iMac and 4 on the iMac Pro.
>>> 
>>> Best Wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7 June 2017 at 09:48, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Is the new iMac coming with thunderbolt or USB-C?  Apple seems to be moving 
>>> to USB-C which is why I ask.
>>> 
>>> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:47 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>> > <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
>>> > <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Simon,
>>> >
>>> > Interesting.
>>> > I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January 
>>> > is its release date?
>>> > What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
>>> > cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold 
>>> > my pro tools HDX cards.
>>> >
>>> > GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>>> > CR
>>> >
>>> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
>>> >>
>>> >> Up to 18 core processors,
>>> >> Intel xeon range,
>>> >> And up to 128 GB ram.
>>> >>
>>> >> -Original Message-
>>> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>> >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
>>> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> >> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi Chris,
>>> >> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>>> >> I h

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

I guess that’s interesting but it seems almost in the why bother file.  Still, 
good to know.  Funny how they changed the adapter shaped so all my old 
thunderbolt doesn’t fit.:)

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, it sounds like there's some smart chip sorts of stuff in the port or 
> cabling that determines the device and interface then proceeds from there.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:38, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> So what does it just figure out what’s plugged in because I’ve plugged native 
> USB-C in to the ports and it works.
> 
> Clever if not confusing.
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 12:02 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Actually, USB C and Thunderbolt 3 are different transfer protocols, but can 
>> use the same cable.  It's kind of a standardization of cabling, but still a 
>> different data transfer system.  Thunderbolt is supposedly faster and has 
>> more back and forth traffic capabilities.
>> 
>> Some info at this link:
>> 
>> https://thunderbolttechnology.net/blog/difference-between-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3
>>  
>> <https://thunderbolttechnology.net/blog/difference-between-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3>
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 09:51, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Now that’s just stupid.:)
>> 
>> Really, they call USB-C thunderbolt 3.  Let’s all call USB 3.0 thunderbolt 
>> 2?  Maybe ethernet should be speedy-network3.
>> 
>> Sometimes I wonder what they are thinking.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I believe they call USB-C Thunderbolt 3 just to confuse us all. 
>>> 
>>> My memory is that there are two usb-c on  the iMac and 4 on the iMac Pro.
>>> 
>>> Best Wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7 June 2017 at 09:48, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Is the new iMac coming with thunderbolt or USB-C?  Apple seems to be moving 
>>> to USB-C which is why I ask.
>>> 
>>> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:47 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>> > <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
>>> > <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Simon,
>>> >
>>> > Interesting.
>>> > I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January 
>>> > is its release date?
>>> > What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
>>> > cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold 
>>> > my pro tools HDX cards.
>>> >
>>> > GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>>> > CR
>>> >
>>> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
>>> >>
>>> >> Up to 18 core processors,
>>> >> Intel xeon range,
>>> >> And up to 128 GB ram.
>>> >>
>>> >> -Original Message-
>>> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>> >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
>>> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> >> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi Chris,
>>> >> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>>> >> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought 
>>> >> may be apple went early?
>>> >> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
>>> >> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>>> >>
>>> >>
&g

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Tim Kilburn]

Yeah, it sounds like there's some smart chip sorts of stuff in the port or 
cabling that determines the device and interface then proceeds from there.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:38, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

So what does it just figure out what’s plugged in because I’ve plugged native 
USB-C in to the ports and it works.

Clever if not confusing.

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 12:02 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Actually, USB C and Thunderbolt 3 are different transfer protocols, but can 
> use the same cable.  It's kind of a standardization of cabling, but still a 
> different data transfer system.  Thunderbolt is supposedly faster and has 
> more back and forth traffic capabilities.
> 
> Some info at this link:
> 
> https://thunderbolttechnology.net/blog/difference-between-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3
>  
> <https://thunderbolttechnology.net/blog/difference-between-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3>
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 09:51, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Now that’s just stupid.:)
> 
> Really, they call USB-C thunderbolt 3.  Let’s all call USB 3.0 thunderbolt 2? 
>  Maybe ethernet should be speedy-network3.
> 
> Sometimes I wonder what they are thinking.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I believe they call USB-C Thunderbolt 3 just to confuse us all. 
>> 
>> My memory is that there are two usb-c on  the iMac and 4 on the iMac Pro.
>> 
>> Best Wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> On 7 June 2017 at 09:48, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Is the new iMac coming with thunderbolt or USB-C?  Apple seems to be moving 
>> to USB-C which is why I ask.
>> 
>> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:47 AM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
>> > <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Simon,
>> >
>> > Interesting.
>> > I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January 
>> > is its release date?
>> > What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
>> > cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my 
>> > pro tools HDX cards.
>> >
>> > GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>> > CR
>> >
>> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
>> >>
>> >> Up to 18 core processors,
>> >> Intel xeon range,
>> >> And up to 128 GB ram.
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> >>
>> >> Hi Chris,
>> >> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>> >> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought 
>> >> may be apple went early?
>> >> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
>> >> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 
>> >>> 2009 model.
>> >>>
>> >>> CB
>> >>>
>> >>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> >>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video
>> >>>> creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing
>> >>>> exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that
>> >>>> for years / versions, So has firefox and google chro

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

So what does it just figure out what’s plugged in because I’ve plugged native 
USB-C in to the ports and it works.

Clever if not confusing.

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 12:02 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Actually, USB C and Thunderbolt 3 are different transfer protocols, but can 
> use the same cable.  It's kind of a standardization of cabling, but still a 
> different data transfer system.  Thunderbolt is supposedly faster and has 
> more back and forth traffic capabilities.
> 
> Some info at this link:
> 
> https://thunderbolttechnology.net/blog/difference-between-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3
>  
> <https://thunderbolttechnology.net/blog/difference-between-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3>
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 09:51, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Now that’s just stupid.:)
> 
> Really, they call USB-C thunderbolt 3.  Let’s all call USB 3.0 thunderbolt 2? 
>  Maybe ethernet should be speedy-network3.
> 
> Sometimes I wonder what they are thinking.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I believe they call USB-C Thunderbolt 3 just to confuse us all. 
>> 
>> My memory is that there are two usb-c on  the iMac and 4 on the iMac Pro.
>> 
>> Best Wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> On 7 June 2017 at 09:48, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Is the new iMac coming with thunderbolt or USB-C?  Apple seems to be moving 
>> to USB-C which is why I ask.
>> 
>> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:47 AM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
>> > <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Simon,
>> >
>> > Interesting.
>> > I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January 
>> > is its release date?
>> > What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
>> > cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my 
>> > pro tools HDX cards.
>> >
>> > GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>> > CR
>> >
>> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
>> >>
>> >> Up to 18 core processors,
>> >> Intel xeon range,
>> >> And up to 128 GB ram.
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> >>
>> >> Hi Chris,
>> >> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>> >> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought 
>> >> may be apple went early?
>> >> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
>> >> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 
>> >>> 2009 model.
>> >>>
>> >>> CB
>> >>>
>> >>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> >>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video
>> >>>> creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing
>> >>>> exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that
>> >>>> for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The files app
>> >>>> / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to me is
>> >>>> just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,  I
>> >>>> don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my
>> >>>

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

Ah Barry, this is encouraging, thank you for the link.

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Barry Hadder <bhad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, that has been thee strategy.  However, they announced a major change in 
> course a few months ago in regards to the mac pro.
> Here is a link I got just from googleing new mac pro: 
> http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac/new-mac-pro-2018-latest-rumours-release-date-uk-price-features-specs-3536364/
>  
> <http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac/new-mac-pro-2018-latest-rumours-release-date-uk-price-features-specs-3536364/>
> 
> 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:59, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Really with Apple’s business models lately you’re not supposed to upgrade the 
> hardware.  No user serviceable parts inside and all that.  They hard solder a 
> lot to the boards now.  This gets you to buy a whole new unit.  I don’t like 
> this strategy but there you go, my portfolio does but I don’t.  I’d be 
> surprised if the new Mac Pro is hugely upgradable, I hope I’m wrong.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Barry Hadder <bhad...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:bhad...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> They have already announced that there will be a modular Mac Pro but that it 
>> wouldn't be ready this year.  I've never heard a release date.
>> There is know way that an all in one can take it's place.  An iMac is not as 
>> configurable or upgradable over time.  That is essentially why the trash can 
>> failed.
>> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 07:47, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Simon,
>> 
>> Interesting.
>> I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is 
>> its release date?
>> What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
>> cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my 
>> pro tools HDX cards.
>> 
>> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>> CR
>> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
>>> 
>>> Up to 18 core processors,
>>> Intel xeon range,
>>> And up to 128 GB ram.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> Hi Chris,
>>> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>>> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
>>> be apple went early?
>>> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
>>> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>>>> model.
>>>> 
>>>> CB
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video 
>>>>> creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing 
>>>>> exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that 
>>>>> for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The files app 
>>>>> / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to me is 
>>>>> just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,  I 
>>>>> don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my 
>>>>> itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just an 
>>>>> increase in processor type / quality up to the cabielake, Still I think 
>>>>> the notebooks are lacking in features.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have 
>>>>> said, Holy bad ass batman!
>>>>> 
>>>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>>>

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Barry Hadder]

Yes, that has been thee strategy.  However, they announced a major change in 
course a few months ago in regards to the mac pro.
Here is a link I got just from googleing new mac pro: 
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac/new-mac-pro-2018-latest-rumours-release-date-uk-price-features-specs-3536364/
 
<http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac/new-mac-pro-2018-latest-rumours-release-date-uk-price-features-specs-3536364/>


On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:59, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

Really with Apple’s business models lately you’re not supposed to upgrade the 
hardware.  No user serviceable parts inside and all that.  They hard solder a 
lot to the boards now.  This gets you to buy a whole new unit.  I don’t like 
this strategy but there you go, my portfolio does but I don’t.  I’d be 
surprised if the new Mac Pro is hugely upgradable, I hope I’m wrong.


> On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Barry Hadder <bhad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> They have already announced that there will be a modular Mac Pro but that it 
> wouldn't be ready this year.  I've never heard a release date.
> There is know way that an all in one can take it's place.  An iMac is not as 
> configurable or upgradable over time.  That is essentially why the trash can 
> failed.
> 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 07:47, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> Interesting.
> I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is 
> its release date?
> What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
> cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my 
> pro tools HDX cards.
> 
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> CR
> 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
>> 
>> Up to 18 core processors,
>> Intel xeon range,
>> And up to 128 GB ram.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
>> be apple went early?
>> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
>> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>>> model.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video 
>>>> creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing 
>>>> exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that 
>>>> for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The files app 
>>>> / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to me is 
>>>> just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,  I 
>>>> don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my 
>>>> itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just an 
>>>> increase in processor type / quality up to the cabielake, Still I think 
>>>> the notebooks are lacking in features.
>>>> 
>>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have 
>>>> said, Holy bad ass batman!
>>>> 
>>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>>>> 
>>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>>>> 
>>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,  
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
>>>&g

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Barry,
Thats what I remember hearing about the modular approach.
Yes the trash can is destined to its name i guess!
Chuck


On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Barry Hadder wrote:

> They have already announced that there will be a modular Mac Pro but that it 
> wouldn't be ready this year.  I've never heard a release date.
> There is know way that an all in one can take it's place.  An iMac is not as 
> configurable or upgradable over time.  That is essentially why the trash can 
> failed.
> 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 07:47, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> Interesting.
> I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is 
> its release date?
> What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
> cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my 
> pro tools HDX cards.
> 
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> CR
> 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
>> 
>> Up to 18 core processors,
>> Intel xeon range,
>> And up to 128 GB ram.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
>> be apple went early?
>> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
>> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>>> model.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video 
>>>> creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing 
>>>> exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that 
>>>> for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The files app 
>>>> / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to me is 
>>>> just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,  I 
>>>> don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my 
>>>> itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just an 
>>>> increase in processor type / quality up to the cabielake, Still I think 
>>>> the notebooks are lacking in features.
>>>> 
>>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have 
>>>> said, Holy bad ass batman!
>>>> 
>>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>>>> 
>>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>>>> 
>>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,  
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
>>>> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores 
>>>> and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  
>>>> Granted the device starts a
>>>> 
>>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Scott,
I agree!
remember when thunderbolt first came out it was the same as the mini display 
port I believe!
Chuck


On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:51 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Now that’s just stupid.:)
> 
> Really, they call USB-C thunderbolt 3.  Let’s all call USB 3.0 thunderbolt 2? 
>  Maybe ethernet should be speedy-network3.
> 
> Sometimes I wonder what they are thinking.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I believe they call USB-C Thunderbolt 3 just to confuse us all. 
>> 
>> My memory is that there are two usb-c on  the iMac and 4 on the iMac Pro.
>> 
>> Best Wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> On 7 June 2017 at 09:48, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Is the new iMac coming with thunderbolt or USB-C?  Apple seems to be moving 
>> to USB-C which is why I ask.
>> 
>> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:47 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>> > <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Simon,
>> >
>> > Interesting.
>> > I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January 
>> > is its release date?
>> > What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
>> > cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my 
>> > pro tools HDX cards.
>> >
>> > GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>> > CR
>> >
>> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
>> >>
>> >> Up to 18 core processors,
>> >> Intel xeon range,
>> >> And up to 128 GB ram.
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> >> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> >>
>> >> Hi Chris,
>> >> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>> >> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought 
>> >> may be apple went early?
>> >> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
>> >> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 
>> >>> 2009 model.
>> >>>
>> >>> CB
>> >>>
>> >>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> >>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video
>> >>>> creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing
>> >>>> exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that
>> >>>> for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The files app
>> >>>> / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to me is
>> >>>> just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,  I
>> >>>> don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my
>> >>>> itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just 
>> >>>> an increase in processor type / quality up to the cabielake, Still I 
>> >>>> think the notebooks are lacking in features.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have
>> >>>> said, Holy bad ass batman!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>> >>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,
>> >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>> >>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
>> >>>> <macvisiona

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Actually, USB C and Thunderbolt 3 are different transfer protocols, but can use 
the same cable.  It's kind of a standardization of cabling, but still a 
different data transfer system.  Thunderbolt is supposedly faster and has more 
back and forth traffic capabilities.

Some info at this link:

https://thunderbolttechnology.net/blog/difference-between-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3
 
<https://thunderbolttechnology.net/blog/difference-between-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3>

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 7, 2017, at 09:51, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

Now that’s just stupid.:)

Really, they call USB-C thunderbolt 3.  Let’s all call USB 3.0 thunderbolt 2?  
Maybe ethernet should be speedy-network3.

Sometimes I wonder what they are thinking.


> On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> I believe they call USB-C Thunderbolt 3 just to confuse us all. 
> 
> My memory is that there are two usb-c on  the iMac and 4 on the iMac Pro.
> 
> Best Wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> On 7 June 2017 at 09:48, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Is the new iMac coming with thunderbolt or USB-C?  Apple seems to be moving 
> to USB-C which is why I ask.
> 
> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:47 AM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
> > <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Simon,
> >
> > Interesting.
> > I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is 
> > its release date?
> > What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
> > cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my 
> > pro tools HDX cards.
> >
> > GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> > CR
> >
> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> >
> >> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
> >>
> >> Up to 18 core processors,
> >> Intel xeon range,
> >> And up to 128 GB ram.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> >> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> >>
> >> Hi Chris,
> >> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
> >> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought 
> >> may be apple went early?
> >> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
> >> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
> >>> model.
> >>>
> >>> CB
> >>>
> >>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> >>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video
> >>>> creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing
> >>>> exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that
> >>>> for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The files app
> >>>> / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to me is
> >>>> just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,  I
> >>>> don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my
> >>>> itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just 
> >>>> an increase in processor type / quality up to the cabielake, Still I 
> >>>> think the notebooks are lacking in features.
> >>>>
> >>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have
> >>>> said, Holy bad ass batman!
> >>>>
> >>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
> >>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
> >>>>
> >>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
> >>>>
> >>>

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

Really with Apple’s business models lately you’re not supposed to upgrade the 
hardware.  No user serviceable parts inside and all that.  They hard solder a 
lot to the boards now.  This gets you to buy a whole new unit.  I don’t like 
this strategy but there you go, my portfolio does but I don’t.  I’d be 
surprised if the new Mac Pro is hugely upgradable, I hope I’m wrong.


> On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Barry Hadder <bhad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> They have already announced that there will be a modular Mac Pro but that it 
> wouldn't be ready this year.  I've never heard a release date.
> There is know way that an all in one can take it's place.  An iMac is not as 
> configurable or upgradable over time.  That is essentially why the trash can 
> failed.
> 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 07:47, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> Interesting.
> I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is 
> its release date?
> What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
> cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my 
> pro tools HDX cards.
> 
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> CR
> 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
>> 
>> Up to 18 core processors,
>> Intel xeon range,
>> And up to 128 GB ram.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
>> be apple went early?
>> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
>> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>>> model.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video 
>>>> creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing 
>>>> exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that 
>>>> for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The files app 
>>>> / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to me is 
>>>> just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,  I 
>>>> don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my 
>>>> itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just an 
>>>> increase in processor type / quality up to the cabielake, Still I think 
>>>> the notebooks are lacking in features.
>>>> 
>>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have 
>>>> said, Holy bad ass batman!
>>>> 
>>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>>>> 
>>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>>>> 
>>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,  
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
>>>> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores 
>>>> and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  
>>>> Granted the device starts a
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Barry Hadder]

They have already announced that there will be a modular Mac Pro but that it 
wouldn't be ready this year.  I've never heard a release date.
There is know way that an all in one can take it's place.  An iMac is not as 
configurable or upgradable over time.  That is essentially why the trash can 
failed.

On Jun 7, 2017, at 07:47, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Simon,

Interesting.
I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is its 
release date?
What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be cool 
also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my pro tools 
HDX cards.

GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
CR

On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
> 
> Up to 18 core processors,
> Intel xeon range,
> And up to 128 GB ram.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> Hi Chris,
> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
> be apple went early?
> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>> model.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video 
>>> creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing 
>>> exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that 
>>> for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The files app 
>>> / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to me is 
>>> just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,  I 
>>> don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my 
>>> itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just an 
>>> increase in processor type / quality up to the cabielake, Still I think the 
>>> notebooks are lacking in features.
>>> 
>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have 
>>> said, Holy bad ass batman!
>>> 
>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>>> 
>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>>> 
>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
>>> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores 
>>> and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  
>>> Granted the device starts a
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

Now that’s just stupid.:)

Really, they call USB-C thunderbolt 3.  Let’s all call USB 3.0 thunderbolt 2?  
Maybe ethernet should be speedy-network3.

Sometimes I wonder what they are thinking.


> On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I believe they call USB-C Thunderbolt 3 just to confuse us all. 
> 
> My memory is that there are two usb-c on  the iMac and 4 on the iMac Pro.
> 
> Best Wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> On 7 June 2017 at 09:48, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Is the new iMac coming with thunderbolt or USB-C?  Apple seems to be moving 
> to USB-C which is why I ask.
> 
> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:47 AM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
> > <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Simon,
> >
> > Interesting.
> > I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is 
> > its release date?
> > What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
> > cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my 
> > pro tools HDX cards.
> >
> > GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> > CR
> >
> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> >
> >> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
> >>
> >> Up to 18 core processors,
> >> Intel xeon range,
> >> And up to 128 GB ram.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> >> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> >>
> >> Hi Chris,
> >> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
> >> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought 
> >> may be apple went early?
> >> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
> >> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
> >>> model.
> >>>
> >>> CB
> >>>
> >>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> >>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video
> >>>> creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing
> >>>> exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that
> >>>> for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The files app
> >>>> / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to me is
> >>>> just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,  I
> >>>> don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my
> >>>> itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just 
> >>>> an increase in processor type / quality up to the cabielake, Still I 
> >>>> think the notebooks are lacking in features.
> >>>>
> >>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have
> >>>> said, Holy bad ass batman!
> >>>>
> >>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
> >>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
> >>>>
> >>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
> >>>>
> >>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,
> >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
> >>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
> >>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> >>>> Subject: So what do we think o

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I believe they call USB-C Thunderbolt 3 just to confuse us all.

My memory is that there are two usb-c on  the iMac and 4 on the iMac Pro.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 7 June 2017 at 09:48, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is the new iMac coming with thunderbolt or USB-C?  Apple seems to be
> moving to USB-C which is why I ask.
>
> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:47 AM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecording@gmail.
> com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Simon,
> >
> > Interesting.
> > I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January
> is its release date?
> > What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would
> be cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold
> my pro tools HDX cards.
> >
> > GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> > CR
> >
> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> >
> >> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
> >>
> >> Up to 18 core processors,
> >> Intel xeon range,
> >> And up to 128 GB ram.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@
> googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> >>
> >> Hi Chris,
> >> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
> >> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought
> may be apple went early?
> >> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
> >> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging
> 2009 model.
> >>>
> >>> CB
> >>>
> >>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> >>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video
> >>>> creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing
> >>>> exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that
> >>>> for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The files app
> >>>> / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to me is
> >>>> just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,  I
> >>>> don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my
> >>>> itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the notebooks are
> just an increase in processor type / quality up to the cabielake, Still I
> think the notebooks are lacking in features.
> >>>>
> >>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have
> >>>> said, Holy bad ass batman!
> >>>>
> >>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
> >>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
> >>>>
> >>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
> >>>>
> >>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,
> >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
> >>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
> >>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> >>>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> >>>>
> >>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
> >>>>
> >>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf
> >>>> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores
> >>>> and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.
> >>>> Granted the device starts a
> >>>>
> >>>
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Mary Otten]

Oh I'm sure the Home pod is going to support airplay. They're coming out with 
airplay to, which will let you play multiple systems from your phone or 
otherI-device. You could also use a chrome cast audio through an existing hi-fi 
system with tune in.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:22 AM, Brent Harding <br...@hostany.net> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if the Home Pod will support Airplay for the times when you have to 
> play stuff from the phone, such as Tunein Premium, Netflix/Hulu audio, etc? 
> Not even the Echo Dot will probably get the sports stuff on Tunein Premium, 
> so the phone will have to be the middle man again once football season starts 
> again.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:20 AM
> Subject: RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> 
> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and the home 
> pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to purchase one or even 
> two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the home pods do and all from my 
> phone.-Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high end 
> if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound than 
> Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be able to 
> route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name again?
> 
> Take care
> 
>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
>> 
>> Scott,
>>  I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
>> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world,
>> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>> 
>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon fire 
>>> TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and processor and 
>>> in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Scott,
>>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know
>>>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One reason
>>>> I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
>>>> Send it to me. (smiles)
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
>>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind
>>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in my 
>>>>> opinion.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
>>>>>> get numbers or punctuation.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
>>>>>> like Finder. Also a document scan function.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
>>>>>> still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
>>>>>> had the bucks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the
>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn
>>>>&g

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

Is the new iMac coming with thunderbolt or USB-C?  Apple seems to be moving to 
USB-C which is why I ask.

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:47 AM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> Interesting.
> I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is 
> its release date?
> What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
> cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my 
> pro tools HDX cards.
> 
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> CR
> 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
>> 
>> Up to 18 core processors,
>> Intel xeon range,
>> And up to 128 GB ram.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
>> be apple went early?
>> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
>> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>>> model.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video 
>>>> creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing 
>>>> exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that 
>>>> for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The files app 
>>>> / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to me is 
>>>> just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,  I 
>>>> don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my 
>>>> itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just an 
>>>> increase in processor type / quality up to the cabielake, Still I think 
>>>> the notebooks are lacking in features.
>>>> 
>>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have 
>>>> said, Holy bad ass batman!
>>>> 
>>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>>>> 
>>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>>>> 
>>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,  
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
>>>> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores 
>>>> and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  
>>>> Granted the device starts a
>>>> 
>>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

Lenron, amazon fire TV is less expensive than Apple.  The fire stick is only 
$35 if memory serves and the full fire TV set top box is $99.

 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:13 AM, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Apple 3g tv was great the 4g ucks. Siri is ok and a couple other
> things. Might look in to trading up to the amazon fire tv soonish.
> 
> On 6/6/17, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> Actually, the TV app misses some things.  In my experience, when you get
>> recommendations based on other things you have watched, they are not
>> accessible with Voiceover.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli
>>> <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> TV app works fine.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 4:25 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> You raise an interesting point.  Thinking about Netflix, I wonder how the
>>> phone app and the TV app compare.  I have the app on my phone, but never
>>> use it.  I may have to check it out further just out of curiosity.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I think it depends on how the accessibility is implemented.  Issues on
>>>> Apple may not exist on Android and vise versa.  Just a guess but I
>>>> suspect that’s part of it.  Also, Apple has not done nearly as good of a
>>>> job insisting on accessibility on the TV unit as they have on the phone
>>>> in my opinion.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> that's interesting.  Given that the same issue of app developers
>>>>> building--or not building in accessibility, it would seem that apps that
>>>>> have problems on one device would have problems on the other.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As for 3 vs. 4th gen, it's true the 3rd gen was a cleaner interface but
>>>>> it also didn't try to do as much.  I like the keypad on the 4th, and the
>>>>> addition of Siri.  I also like the touchpad, for me it makes many things
>>>>> more efficient.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The apps are far more hit and miss in my experience than the fire TV.
>>>>>> Not sure what’s at work there.  THere’s just simple stuff like
>>>>>> consistently getting the code read to you that you use to register with
>>>>>> the provider to stream live content.  My local channels apps like CBS
>>>>>> work more consistently and accessibly in my experience.  I’m a much
>>>>>> bigger fan of the generation 3 than the 4.  The 3 was much cleaner and
>>>>>> didn’t depend on 3rd parties as much.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How do you figure the accessibility sucks?  I mean, it's true, the
>>>>>>> 3rd-party apps can be dicey, as they depend on whether the developer
>>>>>>> has made them accessible.  But I have no accessibility gripes  with
>>>>>>> the Apple TV itself.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Scott Granados
>>>>>>>> <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer
>>>>>>>> the 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon
>>>>>>>> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and
>>>>>>>> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

The iMac hardware for the non pro version is updated isn’t it?  You can get 64 
gigs of ram now which seems new to me.

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:13 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> USA Fall which is around September 
> 
> All os's will be released around the same time,
> As will the new iMac hardware.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:28 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> E.T. just get a new latest iPhone in September, IOS 11 won’t be out before 
> then probably although I’m not sure the release date.  I didn’t catch that in 
> the release as I could only drop in time to time.
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:22 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
>> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
>>> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores 
>>> and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  
>>> Granted the device starts a
>>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

Just think it makes better financial sense since you buy them infrequently it 
seems.  Just my $.02 feel free and do what you wish of course I just was 
thinking buy at the top end once since you hold on to the phones for a while.

> On Jun 6, 2017, at 5:36 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I suppose I can wait. Might as well. 3 months will fly.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/6/2017 12:51 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Well there’s no point in buying the 7 when the 7s or 7s+ is released.  If 
>> you wait until September when I think the OS is released you might just as 
>> well get the latest phone instead of buying last year’s old news.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:43 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Ok. Wireless charging is a nice feature but I can do without. So the 's' 
>>> models are more of an update then. Then I likely will get a new 7 or 7 plus 
>>> before or after, depending on when I get a ride outa town.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/2017 8:39 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 We don’t know yet, the guess is wireless charging, different screen, 
 faster processor, faster network chip, etc.  Apple has been on this kick 
 of every other year going to a model with an S in it, 4, 4s, 5, 5s, 6, 6s, 
 7, 7s, etc.  The plus means the screen is larger and usually cameras are a 
 little enhanced.
 
 Hope that helps.
 
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:33 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> I see that there will be a 7s/7s Plus. What does the 's' model have that 
> the non 's' model doesn't? Maybe I will wait a bit longer.
> 
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/6/2017 8:28 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> E.T. just get a new latest iPhone in September, IOS 11 won’t be out 
>> before then probably although I’m not sure the release date.  I didn’t 
>> catch that in the release as I could only drop in time to time.
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
 So what does everyone think of the announcements.
 
 Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but 
 the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 
 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted 
 the device starts a
 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

The phone App is ok, the App on Amazon is also very accessible.  I think it’s 
pretty good on Apple TV 4th gen as well.  I don’t remember having to fight much 
with Netflix.

I love the service though, between that and amazon prime I watch much less 
regular TV these days.

> On Jun 6, 2017, at 5:25 PM, Donna Goodin  wro:
 
> You raise an interesting point.  Thinking about Netflix, I wonder how the 
> phone app and the TV app compare.  I have the app on my phone, but never use 
> it.  I may have to check it out further just out of curiosity.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I think it depends on how the accessibility is implemented.  Issues on Apple 
>> may not exist on Android and vise versa.  Just a guess but I suspect that’s 
>> part of it.  Also, Apple has not done nearly as good of a job insisting on 
>> accessibility on the TV unit as they have on the phone in my opinion.
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> that's interesting.  Given that the same issue of app developers 
>>> building--or not building in accessibility, it would seem that apps that 
>>> have problems on one device would have problems on the other.
>>> 
>>> As for 3 vs. 4th gen, it's true the 3rd gen was a cleaner interface but it 
>>> also didn't try to do as much.  I like the keypad on the 4th, and the 
>>> addition of Siri.  I also like the touchpad, for me it makes many things 
>>> more efficient.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 6, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 The apps are far more hit and miss in my experience than the fire TV.  Not 
 sure what’s at work there.  THere’s just simple stuff like consistently 
 getting the code read to you that you use to register with the provider to 
 stream live content.  My local channels apps like CBS work more 
 consistently and accessibly in my experience.  I’m a much bigger fan of 
 the generation 3 than the 4.  The 3 was much cleaner and didn’t depend on 
 3rd parties as much.
 
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> How do you figure the accessibility sucks?  I mean, it's true, the 
> 3rd-party apps can be dicey, as they depend on whether the developer has 
> made them accessible.  But I have no accessibility gripes  with the Apple 
> TV itself.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>> 
>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
>> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
>> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know what 
>>> I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One reason I want 
>>> a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th? Send it to 
>>> me. (smiles)
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
 my opinion.
 
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching 
> to get numbers or punctuation.
> 
> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
> like Finder. Also a document scan function.
> 
> iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
> still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
> had the bucks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are 
>> people excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Simon,

Interesting.
I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is its 
release date?
What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be cool 
also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my pro tools 
HDX cards.

GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
CR

On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
> 
> Up to 18 core processors,
> Intel xeon range,
> And up to 128 GB ram.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> Hi Chris,
> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
> be apple went early?
> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>> model.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video 
>>> creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing 
>>> exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that 
>>> for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The files app 
>>> / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to me is 
>>> just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,  I 
>>> don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my 
>>> itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just an 
>>> increase in processor type / quality up to the cabielake, Still I think the 
>>> notebooks are lacking in features.
>>> 
>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have 
>>> said, Holy bad ass batman!
>>> 
>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>>> 
>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>>> 
>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
>>> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores 
>>> and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  
>>> Granted the device starts a
>>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Donna Goodin]

I think I remember them saying that it would, but I'm not 100% certain.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 5:22 AM, Brent Harding <br...@hostany.net> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if the Home Pod will support Airplay for the times when you have to 
> play stuff from the phone, such as Tunein Premium, Netflix/Hulu audio, etc? 
> Not even the Echo Dot will probably get the sports stuff on Tunein Premium, 
> so the phone will have to be the middle man again once football season starts 
> again.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:20 AM
> Subject: RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> 
> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and the home 
> pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to purchase one or even 
> two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the home pods do and all from my 
> phone.-Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high end 
> if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound than 
> Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be able to 
> route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name again?
> 
> Take care
> 
>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
>> 
>> Scott,
>>  I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
>> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world,
>> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>> 
>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon fire 
>>> TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and processor and 
>>> in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Scott,
>>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know
>>>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One reason
>>>> I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
>>>> Send it to me. (smiles)
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
>>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind
>>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in my 
>>>>> opinion.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
>>>>>> get numbers or punctuation.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
>>>>>> like Finder. Also a document scan function.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
>>>>>> still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
>>>>>> had the bucks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the
>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn
>>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Go

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Donna Goodin]

I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move our 
two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones inside.  
Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and the home 
> pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to purchase one or even 
> two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the home pods do and all from my 
> phone.-Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high end 
> if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound than 
> Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be able to 
> route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name again?
> 
> Take care
> 
>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
>> 
>> Scott,
>>  I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
>> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
>> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>> 
>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon fire 
>>> TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and processor and 
>>> in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Scott,
>>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
>>>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One reason 
>>>> I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th? 
>>>> Send it to me. (smiles)
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in my 
>>>>> opinion.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
>>>>>> get numbers or punctuation.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
>>>>>> like Finder. Also a document scan function.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
>>>>>> still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
>>>>>> had the bucks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>>>>> So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people 
>>>>>>> excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I will definitely get a new iPhon

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Brent Harding]

I wonder if the Home Pod will support Airplay for the times when you have to 
play stuff from the phone, such as Tunein Premium, Netflix/Hulu audio, etc? 
Not even the Echo Dot will probably get the sports stuff on Tunein Premium, 
so the phone will have to be the middle man again once football season 
starts again.


- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:20 AM
Subject: RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?


I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and the home 
pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to purchase one or 
even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the home pods do and all 
from my phone.-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg

Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high end 
if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound than 
Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be able to 
route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name again?


Take care


6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:

Scott,
  I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was 
no longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world,
all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
3rd get from the perspective of a. user.


The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.



On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

Scott,
 Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know
what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One reason
I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
Send it to me. (smiles)

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind
off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
my opinion.



On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
get numbers or punctuation.


Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
like Finder. Also a document scan function.


iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
had the bucks.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the
world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn
your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people 
excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?

Cheers,
Donna

On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 
11.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the
world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn
your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

So what does everyone think of the announcements.

Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store
shelf but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to
have 18 cores and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory
is pretty hot.  Granted the device starts a



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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I didn’t follow the wwdc so i don’t know much about it.
But as you say the Imac pro sounds like something with the future in mind.
I am not going to buy it as i don’t have a work to go to so my income is very 
very low.
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> 5 juni 2017 kl. 22:38 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
> 
> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device starts 
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

The iMac pro is to replace the Mac Pro as they weren't doing as well as they 
expected tehm to.

 The iMac pro is better setup with a screen to replace the Mac pro range.
With the same spec standards.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:38 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Chuck
They didn't announce a New Mac Pro, but they did announce a new Version of the 
iMac called iMac pro which will be coming out in December. They say this iMac 
pro will be the most powerful Mac ever, it will come with up to a 18 Core 
processor,128 GB RAM and 4 TB internal flash storage. Depending on the needs 
you have in your studio, this machine should work for you. I think it will suit 
90% of professionals, those who doesn't need A machine which can take 
additional PCI card's like the ProTools HDX cards. 

Personally I doubt Apple will ever release a new version of the Mac pro again, 
I think this iMac pro is their answer for professional users and as I said it 
will suit the needs of most.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 06 Jun 2017, at 18:03, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high end 
> if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound than 
> Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be able to 
> route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name again?
> 
> Take care
> 
>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
>> 
>> Scott,
>>  I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
>> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off 
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>> 
>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon fire 
>>> TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and processor and 
>>> in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Scott,
>>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
>>>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One 
>>>> reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 
>>>> 4th? Send it to me. (smiles)
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your 
>>>> mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in my 
>>>>> opinion.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
>>>>>> get numbers or punctuation.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
>>>>>> like Finder. Also a document scan function.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
>>>>>> still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
>>>>>> had the bucks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>>>>> So I missed t

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and the home 
pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to purchase one or even 
two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the home pods do and all from my 
phone.-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high end if 
it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound than 
Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be able to 
route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name again?

Take care

> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
> 
> Scott,
>   I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 3rd 
>> get from the perspective of a. user.
>> 
>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon fire 
>> TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and processor and 
>> in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>>  Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
>>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One reason 
>>> I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th? 
>>> Send it to me. (smiles)
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in my 
>>>> opinion.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
>>>>> get numbers or punctuation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably like 
>>>>> Finder. Also a document scan function.
>>>>> 
>>>>> iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
>>>>> still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I had 
>>>>> the bucks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>>>> So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people 
>>>>>> excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>>>>> So what does everyone think of the announcement

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes but built in to an iMac body,

 Up to 18 core processors,
 Intel xeon range,
And up to 128 GB ram.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Hi Chris,
I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may be 
apple went early?
I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple




On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
> model.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video 
>> creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing 
>> exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that 
>> for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The files app 
>> / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to me is 
>> just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,  I 
>> don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my 
>> itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just an 
>> increase in processor type / quality up to the cabielake, Still I think the 
>> notebooks are lacking in features.
>> 
>>  The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have 
>> said, Holy bad ass batman!
>> 
>>  The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>>  Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>> 
>>  Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>> 
>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>> 
>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
>> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores 
>> and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  
>> Granted the device starts a
>> 
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

Shame they aren't available down here in the underworld.

 Apple tv is everywhere but the amazon tvs aren't.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:30 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in my 
opinion.

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to get 
> numbers or punctuation.
> 
>   Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably like 
> Finder. Also a document scan function.
> 
>   iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I still 
> have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I had the bucks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people 
>> excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
>>>> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 
>>>> cores and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty 
>>>> hot.  Granted the device starts a
>>>> 
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

USA Fall which is around September 

All os's will be released around the same time,
 As will the new iMac hardware.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

E.T. just get a new latest iPhone in September, IOS 11 won’t be out before then 
probably although I’m not sure the release date.  I didn’t catch that in the 
release as I could only drop in time to time.

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:22 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>> 
>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
>> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores 
>> and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  
>> Granted the device starts a
>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[lenron brown]

Apple 3g tv was great the 4g sucks. Siri is ok and a couple other
things. Might look in to trading up to the amazon fire tv soonish.

On 6/6/17, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> Actually, the TV app misses some things.  In my experience, when you get
> recommendations based on other things you have watched, they are not
> accessible with Voiceover.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli
>> <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> TV app works fine.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 4:25 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>
>> You raise an interesting point.  Thinking about Netflix, I wonder how the
>> phone app and the TV app compare.  I have the app on my phone, but never
>> use it.  I may have to check it out further just out of curiosity.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it depends on how the accessibility is implemented.  Issues on
>>> Apple may not exist on Android and vise versa.  Just a guess but I
>>> suspect that’s part of it.  Also, Apple has not done nearly as good of a
>>> job insisting on accessibility on the TV unit as they have on the phone
>>> in my opinion.
>>>
>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> that's interesting.  Given that the same issue of app developers
>>>> building--or not building in accessibility, it would seem that apps that
>>>> have problems on one device would have problems on the other.
>>>>
>>>> As for 3 vs. 4th gen, it's true the 3rd gen was a cleaner interface but
>>>> it also didn't try to do as much.  I like the keypad on the 4th, and the
>>>> addition of Siri.  I also like the touchpad, for me it makes many things
>>>> more efficient.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The apps are far more hit and miss in my experience than the fire TV.
>>>>> Not sure what’s at work there.  THere’s just simple stuff like
>>>>> consistently getting the code read to you that you use to register with
>>>>> the provider to stream live content.  My local channels apps like CBS
>>>>> work more consistently and accessibly in my experience.  I’m a much
>>>>> bigger fan of the generation 3 than the 4.  The 3 was much cleaner and
>>>>> didn’t depend on 3rd parties as much.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you figure the accessibility sucks?  I mean, it's true, the
>>>>>> 3rd-party apps can be dicey, as they depend on whether the developer
>>>>>> has made them accessible.  But I have no accessibility gripes  with
>>>>>> the Apple TV itself.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Scott Granados
>>>>>>> <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer
>>>>>>> the 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon
>>>>>>> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and
>>>>>>> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Scott,
>>>>>>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know
>>>>>>>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One
>>>>>>>> reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got
>>>>>>>> a 4th? Send it to me. (smiles)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keybo

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

I heard the mention of the gym training gear with compatibility with the watch 
os 4,
But I didn’t hear any mention of diabetes / CGM equipment.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:23 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I did hear something about integrating with a diabetes constant monitor and 
integrating with gym equipment so that the equipment will receive heart rate 
from watch and watch will receive data from the exercise equipment.

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 11:04 AM Mary Otten 
<motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Gary, I saw a thing yesterday talking about the top features in watchOS for, 
and it didn't say anything at all about CGM. However, I had seen something 
earlier that talked about this feature perhaps being incorporated into a band 
rather than into the watch itself, because Apple does not want the watch to 
have to go through FDA control. God knows if it's true. Like you, I am hoping 
that they come up with something good.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2017, at 12:12 AM, gary-melconian 
> <gmelconian...@gmail.com<mailto:gmelconian...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Any news on apple watch  OS  as far as any hints to what tim cook  is wearing 
> as far as cgm and that sort of stuff goes. I am a type 2 diabetic and  rely 
> on the  dexcom cgm and I was hoping for better advancements in this area with 
> a watch sort of device that apple could come up to give the 21 million 
> diabetics  in the world a reason to get an apple watch. I am still interested 
> to se if anything will be talked about that in the future.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>]
>  On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 11:51 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>
> I still think the sonos speaker range is far ahead of the apple home pod 
> speaker,
>
> But I do like the previous question of will it have the 3.5mm headphone jack 
> or lightening connector for headphones,
>
> I think it will be more the Bluetooth for the earpods
>
>
> But they are going to have to be bloody impressive for me to buy 1 let alone 
> 2 although  I'm not sure we get them this year or next -Original 
> Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>]
>  On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 9:19 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>
> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with 
> Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new 
> speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its 
> output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in the 
> Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm 
> disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I 
> think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, 
> although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was 
> excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that includes 
> the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the same awful 
> feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been producing. No 
> key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. No thank you. Why oh 
> why can't they make a keyboard that really works well for touch typist? That 
> is after all, who does most of the serious typing in the world.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados 
>> <scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>
>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but
>> the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and
>> 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

I was wondering about the phone when it is released, will they add some kind of 
CGM into the phone

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Hi Gary, I saw a thing yesterday talking about the top features in watchOS for, 
and it didn't say anything at all about CGM. However, I had seen something 
earlier that talked about this feature perhaps being incorporated into a band 
rather than into the watch itself, because Apple does not want the watch to 
have to go through FDA control. God knows if it's true. Like you, I am hoping 
that they come up with something good.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2017, at 12:12 AM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Any news on apple watch  OS  as far as any hints to what tim cook  is wearing 
> as far as cgm and that sort of stuff goes. I am a type 2 diabetic and  rely 
> on the  dexcom cgm and I was hoping for better advancements in this area with 
> a watch sort of device that apple could come up to give the 21 million 
> diabetics  in the world a reason to get an apple watch. I am still interested 
> to se if anything will be talked about that in the future.  
> 
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> 
> I still think the sonos speaker range is far ahead of the apple home 
> pod speaker,
> 
> But I do like the previous question of will it have the 3.5mm 
> headphone jack or lightening connector for headphones,
> 
> I think it will be more the Bluetooth for the earpods
> 
> 
> But they are going to have to be bloody impressive for me to buy 1 let 
> alone 2 although  I'm not sure we get them this year or next 
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> 
> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with 
> Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new 
> speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its 
> output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in the 
> Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm 
> disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I 
> think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, 
> although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was 
> excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that includes 
> the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the same awful 
> feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been producing. No 
> key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. No thank you. Why oh 
> why can't they make a keyboard that really works well for touch typist? That 
> is after all, who does most of the serious typing in the world.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>> 
>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
>> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores 
>> and
>> 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted 
>> the device starts a
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

Or hang out a while as intel are releasing the coffee lake processors later 
this year,
But interestingly apple didn't seem to mention the caby lake I9 processors.


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I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging
2009 model.

CB

On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video 
> creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing 
> exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that 
> for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The files app 
> / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to me is just an 
> apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,
>   I don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and 
> my itunes music library
>   
> As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just an increase in 
> processor type / quality up to the cabielake, Still I think the notebooks are 
> lacking in features.
>
>   The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have 
> said, Holy bad ass batman!
>
>   The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>   Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>
>   Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>
> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,  
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> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>
> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but 
> the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 
> 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted 
> the device starts a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Donna Goodin]

Actually, the TV app misses some things.  In my experience, when you get 
recommendations based on other things you have watched, they are not accessible 
with Voiceover.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> TV app works fine.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 4:25 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> You raise an interesting point.  Thinking about Netflix, I wonder how the 
> phone app and the TV app compare.  I have the app on my phone, but never use 
> it.  I may have to check it out further just out of curiosity.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think it depends on how the accessibility is implemented.  Issues on Apple 
>> may not exist on Android and vise versa.  Just a guess but I suspect that’s 
>> part of it.  Also, Apple has not done nearly as good of a job insisting on 
>> accessibility on the TV unit as they have on the phone in my opinion.
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> that's interesting.  Given that the same issue of app developers 
>>> building--or not building in accessibility, it would seem that apps that 
>>> have problems on one device would have problems on the other.
>>> 
>>> As for 3 vs. 4th gen, it's true the 3rd gen was a cleaner interface but it 
>>> also didn't try to do as much.  I like the keypad on the 4th, and the 
>>> addition of Siri.  I also like the touchpad, for me it makes many things 
>>> more efficient.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The apps are far more hit and miss in my experience than the fire TV.  Not 
>>>> sure what’s at work there.  THere’s just simple stuff like consistently 
>>>> getting the code read to you that you use to register with the provider to 
>>>> stream live content.  My local channels apps like CBS work more 
>>>> consistently and accessibly in my experience.  I’m a much bigger fan of 
>>>> the generation 3 than the 4.  The 3 was much cleaner and didn’t depend on 
>>>> 3rd parties as much.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> How do you figure the accessibility sucks?  I mean, it's true, the 
>>>>> 3rd-party apps can be dicey, as they depend on whether the developer has 
>>>>> made them accessible.  But I have no accessibility gripes  with the Apple 
>>>>> TV itself.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>>>>>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
>>>>>> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
>>>>>> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Scott,
>>>>>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
>>>>>>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One 
>>>>>>> reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got 
>>>>>>> a 4th? Send it to me. (smiles)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>>>>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  T

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

TV app works fine.

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Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

You raise an interesting point.  Thinking about Netflix, I wonder how the phone 
app and the TV app compare.  I have the app on my phone, but never use it.  I 
may have to check it out further just out of curiosity.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think it depends on how the accessibility is implemented.  Issues on Apple 
> may not exist on Android and vise versa.  Just a guess but I suspect that’s 
> part of it.  Also, Apple has not done nearly as good of a job insisting on 
> accessibility on the TV unit as they have on the phone in my opinion.
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> that's interesting.  Given that the same issue of app developers 
>> building--or not building in accessibility, it would seem that apps that 
>> have problems on one device would have problems on the other.
>> 
>> As for 3 vs. 4th gen, it's true the 3rd gen was a cleaner interface but it 
>> also didn't try to do as much.  I like the keypad on the 4th, and the 
>> addition of Siri.  I also like the touchpad, for me it makes many things 
>> more efficient.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The apps are far more hit and miss in my experience than the fire TV.  Not 
>>> sure what’s at work there.  THere’s just simple stuff like consistently 
>>> getting the code read to you that you use to register with the provider to 
>>> stream live content.  My local channels apps like CBS work more 
>>> consistently and accessibly in my experience.  I’m a much bigger fan of the 
>>> generation 3 than the 4.  The 3 was much cleaner and didn’t depend on 3rd 
>>> parties as much.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> How do you figure the accessibility sucks?  I mean, it's true, the 
>>>> 3rd-party apps can be dicey, as they depend on whether the developer has 
>>>> made them accessible.  But I have no accessibility gripes  with the Apple 
>>>> TV itself.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>>>>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
>>>>> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
>>>>> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Scott,
>>>>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
>>>>>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One 
>>>>>> reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got 
>>>>>> a 4th? Send it to me. (smiles)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>>>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
>>>>>>> my opinion.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
>>>>>>>> get numbers or punctuation.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
>>>>>>>> like Finder. Also a document scan function.
>>&g

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[E.T.]

   I suppose I can wait. Might as well. 3 months will fly.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/6/2017 12:51 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Well there’s no point in buying the 7 when the 7s or 7s+ is released.  If you 
wait until September when I think the OS is released you might just as well get 
the latest phone instead of buying last year’s old news.



On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:43 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  Ok. Wireless charging is a nice feature but I can do without. So the 's' 
models are more of an update then. Then I likely will get a new 7 or 7 plus 
before or after, depending on when I get a ride outa town.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/6/2017 8:39 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

We don’t know yet, the guess is wireless charging, different screen, faster 
processor, faster network chip, etc.  Apple has been on this kick of every 
other year going to a model with an S in it, 4, 4s, 5, 5s, 6, 6s, 7, 7s, etc.  
The plus means the screen is larger and usually cameras are a little enhanced.

Hope that helps.


On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:33 AM, E.T.  wrote:

Scott,
 I see that there will be a 7s/7s Plus. What does the 's' model have that the 
non 's' model doesn't? Maybe I will wait a bit longer.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/6/2017 8:28 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

E.T. just get a new latest iPhone in September, IOS 11 won’t be out before then 
probably although I’m not sure the release date.  I didn’t catch that in the 
release as I could only drop in time to time.


On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:

I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

So what does everyone think of the announcements.

Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the new 
iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of RAM as 
well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device starts a



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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Donna Goodin]

That was my impression from the few times I have played around with it.  So 
that would support Scott's point.  I don't think the accessibility on the TV 
app is awful, it just isn't as good as it could be.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 4:28 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> NetFlix on the iPhone is quite accessible. I use it regularly.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 7/06/2017, at 07:25, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> You raise an interesting point.  Thinking about Netflix, I wonder how the 
>> phone app and the TV app compare.  I have the app on my phone, but never use 
>> it.  I may have to check it out further just out of curiosity.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think it depends on how the accessibility is implemented.  Issues on 
>>> Apple may not exist on Android and vise versa.  Just a guess but I suspect 
>>> that’s part of it.  Also, Apple has not done nearly as good of a job 
>>> insisting on accessibility on the TV unit as they have on the phone in my 
>>> opinion.
>>> 
 On Jun 6, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 that's interesting.  Given that the same issue of app developers 
 building--or not building in accessibility, it would seem that apps that 
 have problems on one device would have problems on the other.
 
 As for 3 vs. 4th gen, it's true the 3rd gen was a cleaner interface but it 
 also didn't try to do as much.  I like the keypad on the 4th, and the 
 addition of Siri.  I also like the touchpad, for me it makes many things 
 more efficient.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> The apps are far more hit and miss in my experience than the fire TV.  
> Not sure what’s at work there.  THere’s just simple stuff like 
> consistently getting the code read to you that you use to register with 
> the provider to stream live content.  My local channels apps like CBS 
> work more consistently and accessibly in my experience.  I’m a much 
> bigger fan of the generation 3 than the 4.  The 3 was much cleaner and 
> didn’t depend on 3rd parties as much.
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> How do you figure the accessibility sucks?  I mean, it's true, the 
>> 3rd-party apps can be dicey, as they depend on whether the developer has 
>> made them accessible.  But I have no accessibility gripes  with the 
>> Apple TV itself.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer 
>>> the 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>> 
>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
>>> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
>>> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>> 
 On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Scott,
 Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know what 
 I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One reason I want 
 a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th? Send it to 
 me. (smiles)
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit 
> in my opinion.
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching 
>> to get numbers or punctuation.
>> 
>> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
>> like Finder. Also a document scan function.
>> 
>> iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
>> still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if 
>> I had the bucks.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[David Chittenden]

NetFlix on the iPhone is quite accessible. I use it regularly.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 7/06/2017, at 07:25, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> You raise an interesting point.  Thinking about Netflix, I wonder how the 
> phone app and the TV app compare.  I have the app on my phone, but never use 
> it.  I may have to check it out further just out of curiosity.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I think it depends on how the accessibility is implemented.  Issues on Apple 
>> may not exist on Android and vise versa.  Just a guess but I suspect that’s 
>> part of it.  Also, Apple has not done nearly as good of a job insisting on 
>> accessibility on the TV unit as they have on the phone in my opinion.
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> that's interesting.  Given that the same issue of app developers 
>>> building--or not building in accessibility, it would seem that apps that 
>>> have problems on one device would have problems on the other.
>>> 
>>> As for 3 vs. 4th gen, it's true the 3rd gen was a cleaner interface but it 
>>> also didn't try to do as much.  I like the keypad on the 4th, and the 
>>> addition of Siri.  I also like the touchpad, for me it makes many things 
>>> more efficient.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 6, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 The apps are far more hit and miss in my experience than the fire TV.  Not 
 sure what’s at work there.  THere’s just simple stuff like consistently 
 getting the code read to you that you use to register with the provider to 
 stream live content.  My local channels apps like CBS work more 
 consistently and accessibly in my experience.  I’m a much bigger fan of 
 the generation 3 than the 4.  The 3 was much cleaner and didn’t depend on 
 3rd parties as much.
 
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> How do you figure the accessibility sucks?  I mean, it's true, the 
> 3rd-party apps can be dicey, as they depend on whether the developer has 
> made them accessible.  But I have no accessibility gripes  with the Apple 
> TV itself.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>> 
>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
>> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
>> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know what 
>>> I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One reason I want 
>>> a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th? Send it to 
>>> me. (smiles)
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
 my opinion.
 
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching 
> to get numbers or punctuation.
> 
> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
> like Finder. Also a document scan function.
> 
> iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
> still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
> had the bucks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are 
>> people excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run 
>>> 

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Donna Goodin]

You raise an interesting point.  Thinking about Netflix, I wonder how the phone 
app and the TV app compare.  I have the app on my phone, but never use it.  I 
may have to check it out further just out of curiosity.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I think it depends on how the accessibility is implemented.  Issues on Apple 
> may not exist on Android and vise versa.  Just a guess but I suspect that’s 
> part of it.  Also, Apple has not done nearly as good of a job insisting on 
> accessibility on the TV unit as they have on the phone in my opinion.
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> that's interesting.  Given that the same issue of app developers 
>> building--or not building in accessibility, it would seem that apps that 
>> have problems on one device would have problems on the other.
>> 
>> As for 3 vs. 4th gen, it's true the 3rd gen was a cleaner interface but it 
>> also didn't try to do as much.  I like the keypad on the 4th, and the 
>> addition of Siri.  I also like the touchpad, for me it makes many things 
>> more efficient.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The apps are far more hit and miss in my experience than the fire TV.  Not 
>>> sure what’s at work there.  THere’s just simple stuff like consistently 
>>> getting the code read to you that you use to register with the provider to 
>>> stream live content.  My local channels apps like CBS work more 
>>> consistently and accessibly in my experience.  I’m a much bigger fan of the 
>>> generation 3 than the 4.  The 3 was much cleaner and didn’t depend on 3rd 
>>> parties as much.
>>> 
 On Jun 6, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 How do you figure the accessibility sucks?  I mean, it's true, the 
 3rd-party apps can be dicey, as they depend on whether the developer has 
 made them accessible.  But I have no accessibility gripes  with the Apple 
 TV itself.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
> 
> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know what I 
>> am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One reason I want a 
>> 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th? Send it to me. 
>> (smiles)
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
>>> my opinion.
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
 get numbers or punctuation.
 
 Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
 like Finder. Also a document scan function.
 
 iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
 still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
 had the bucks.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people 
> excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 
>> 11.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM,