Re: huge mail problems still
After having read some 74 messages in this thread, I thought I would chime in here with a further explanation of VO + J and how I personally prefer to use Mail. First off, VO-J jumps VO to the next control at same level. I absolutely love using this key combination in iTunes; it jumpss me from the table of songs up for playing, the player display window and the artist list. Anyway, this thread concerns Mail. When preview is turned off, you cannot use VO-J to open or focus the message. You have to explicitly open the message in a new window with Return or Command-O. In my case, I am using standard view with previews turned off; for me VO-J jumps be back and forth between the list of mail box folders and the message list. that works just perfectly fine for me. Oh, I also have threading turned on. One big reason why I dislike preview so much is preview causes the message to be marked read by just passing over it with the arrow keys in the message list. I often read messages out of sequence and want to be able to keep track of which is read or unread. As of now, I am still using Mountain Lion so am not sure if this general concept changes with Mavericks or not. Hope this clarifies some things about that hot key. On 12/20/13, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The other thing I have noticed is if I don't want to read the email or interact with it using VO-J, I tap on the delete key quickly and I don't hear the number of emails total, unread mail, etc. This has worked well. I am getting better at this and thanks to you Robert, I love that VO-J command. Eileen -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Carter Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 1:12 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: huge mail problems still Hi, Perhaps I am not in quite as much of a hurry as some people. For me, however, having the information read in the order that it is presented works well for me. I hear the subject a brief preview and whether or not the message is part of a thread. I listen to as little or as much of this information as needed with the goal of making a decision regarding whether or not I want to read more of the message or simply move on. This approach seems just perfect to me. Robert Carter Sent from my iPad On Dec 20, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nicholas, Yes I get conversation thread information announced last too, but it has stopped bothering me. If I want to know if something is a conversation, I press right arrow. If it opens. it is a conversation, and if it doesn't open, it's not a conversation. Cheers Lisette . On 20/12/2013, at 5:33 pm, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: The main problem for me with Mavericks Mail is that the read/unread status of messages, and the number of messages in the thread, are announced last by VoiceOver when navigating through the message list. This slows my progress significantly as I have to wait for VoiceOver to announce everything else before I get this important information. I'm interested in whether Robert and others have this issue too, as it seems to me like something that's not dependant on individual settings. My work around for this has been to turn the preview line off in the Viewing tab of Mail Preferences. This way I don't need to listen to the message read out before finding out whether it's read or unread, and how many messages there are in the thread. However, this is a real drawback to me as hearing the preview often allowed me to dismiss a message quickly without needing to open it first. For clarification, I've been doing this on a 2011 MacBook Air. I use Mail in standard view with threading turn on and the preview pane fully collapsed. I read through the list of messages by using the up and down arrows while VO focus is on the message list. I don't interact with the message list table and I do not have QuickNav turned on. To read a message, I use command-o to open it in a new window and then just use the arrow keys to read line by line etcetera (with, of course, QuickNav still turned off). Best, Nic -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries
Re: huge mail problems still
yes, i have this issue too but the items you mentioned are all dimmed for me. how do i change this so i can access them? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2013, at 11:33 PM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: The main problem for me with Mavericks Mail is that the read/unread status of messages, and the number of messages in the thread, are announced last by VoiceOver when navigating through the message list. This slows my progress significantly as I have to wait for VoiceOver to announce everything else before I get this important information. I'm interested in whether Robert and others have this issue too, as it seems to me like something that's not dependant on individual settings. My work around for this has been to turn the preview line off in the Viewing tab of Mail Preferences. This way I don't need to listen to the message read out before finding out whether it's read or unread, and how many messages there are in the thread. However, this is a real drawback to me as hearing the preview often allowed me to dismiss a message quickly without needing to open it first. For clarification, I've been doing this on a 2011 MacBook Air. I use Mail in standard view with threading turn on and the preview pane fully collapsed. I read through the list of messages by using the up and down arrows while VO focus is on the message list. I don't interact with the message list table and I do not have QuickNav turned on. To read a message, I use command-o to open it in a new window and then just use the arrow keys to read line by line etcetera (with, of course, QuickNav still turned off). Best, Nic -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
it looks like the only way to change the column order and work with them is to use classic view. Hopefully I am mistaken in this. On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:27 AM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote: yes, i have this issue too but the items you mentioned are all dimmed for me. how do i change this so i can access them? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2013, at 11:33 PM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: The main problem for me with Mavericks Mail is that the read/unread status of messages, and the number of messages in the thread, are announced last by VoiceOver when navigating through the message list. This slows my progress significantly as I have to wait for VoiceOver to announce everything else before I get this important information. I'm interested in whether Robert and others have this issue too, as it seems to me like something that's not dependant on individual settings. My work around for this has been to turn the preview line off in the Viewing tab of Mail Preferences. This way I don't need to listen to the message read out before finding out whether it's read or unread, and how many messages there are in the thread. However, this is a real drawback to me as hearing the preview often allowed me to dismiss a message quickly without needing to open it first. For clarification, I've been doing this on a 2011 MacBook Air. I use Mail in standard view with threading turn on and the preview pane fully collapsed. I read through the list of messages by using the up and down arrows while VO focus is on the message list. I don't interact with the message list table and I do not have QuickNav turned on. To read a message, I use command-o to open it in a new window and then just use the arrow keys to read line by line etcetera (with, of course, QuickNav still turned off). Best, Nic -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Hi Nicholas, Yes I get conversation thread information announced last too, but it has stopped bothering me. If I want to know if something is a conversation, I press right arrow. If it opens. it is a conversation, and if it doesn’t open, it’s not a conversation. Cheers Lisette . On 20/12/2013, at 5:33 pm, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: The main problem for me with Mavericks Mail is that the read/unread status of messages, and the number of messages in the thread, are announced last by VoiceOver when navigating through the message list. This slows my progress significantly as I have to wait for VoiceOver to announce everything else before I get this important information. I'm interested in whether Robert and others have this issue too, as it seems to me like something that's not dependant on individual settings. My work around for this has been to turn the preview line off in the Viewing tab of Mail Preferences. This way I don't need to listen to the message read out before finding out whether it's read or unread, and how many messages there are in the thread. However, this is a real drawback to me as hearing the preview often allowed me to dismiss a message quickly without needing to open it first. For clarification, I've been doing this on a 2011 MacBook Air. I use Mail in standard view with threading turn on and the preview pane fully collapsed. I read through the list of messages by using the up and down arrows while VO focus is on the message list. I don't interact with the message list table and I do not have QuickNav turned on. To read a message, I use command-o to open it in a new window and then just use the arrow keys to read line by line etcetera (with, of course, QuickNav still turned off). Best, Nic -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Hi, Perhaps I am not in quite as much of a hurry as some people. For me, however, having the information read in the order that it is presented works well for me. I hear the subject a brief preview and whether or not the message is part of a thread. I listen to as little or as much of this information as needed with the goal of making a decision regarding whether or not I want to read more of the message or simply move on. This approach seems just perfect to me. Robert Carter Sent from my iPad On Dec 20, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nicholas, Yes I get conversation thread information announced last too, but it has stopped bothering me. If I want to know if something is a conversation, I press right arrow. If it opens. it is a conversation, and if it doesn’t open, it’s not a conversation. Cheers Lisette . On 20/12/2013, at 5:33 pm, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: The main problem for me with Mavericks Mail is that the read/unread status of messages, and the number of messages in the thread, are announced last by VoiceOver when navigating through the message list. This slows my progress significantly as I have to wait for VoiceOver to announce everything else before I get this important information. I'm interested in whether Robert and others have this issue too, as it seems to me like something that's not dependant on individual settings. My work around for this has been to turn the preview line off in the Viewing tab of Mail Preferences. This way I don't need to listen to the message read out before finding out whether it's read or unread, and how many messages there are in the thread. However, this is a real drawback to me as hearing the preview often allowed me to dismiss a message quickly without needing to open it first. For clarification, I've been doing this on a 2011 MacBook Air. I use Mail in standard view with threading turn on and the preview pane fully collapsed. I read through the list of messages by using the up and down arrows while VO focus is on the message list. I don't interact with the message list table and I do not have QuickNav turned on. To read a message, I use command-o to open it in a new window and then just use the arrow keys to read line by line etcetera (with, of course, QuickNav still turned off). Best, Nic -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: huge mail problems still
Hi, The other thing I have noticed is if I don't want to read the email or interact with it using VO-J, I tap on the delete key quickly and I don't hear the number of emails total, unread mail, etc. This has worked well. I am getting better at this and thanks to you Robert, I love that VO-J command. Eileen -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Carter Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 1:12 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: huge mail problems still Hi, Perhaps I am not in quite as much of a hurry as some people. For me, however, having the information read in the order that it is presented works well for me. I hear the subject a brief preview and whether or not the message is part of a thread. I listen to as little or as much of this information as needed with the goal of making a decision regarding whether or not I want to read more of the message or simply move on. This approach seems just perfect to me. Robert Carter Sent from my iPad On Dec 20, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nicholas, Yes I get conversation thread information announced last too, but it has stopped bothering me. If I want to know if something is a conversation, I press right arrow. If it opens. it is a conversation, and if it doesn't open, it's not a conversation. Cheers Lisette . On 20/12/2013, at 5:33 pm, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: The main problem for me with Mavericks Mail is that the read/unread status of messages, and the number of messages in the thread, are announced last by VoiceOver when navigating through the message list. This slows my progress significantly as I have to wait for VoiceOver to announce everything else before I get this important information. I'm interested in whether Robert and others have this issue too, as it seems to me like something that's not dependant on individual settings. My work around for this has been to turn the preview line off in the Viewing tab of Mail Preferences. This way I don't need to listen to the message read out before finding out whether it's read or unread, and how many messages there are in the thread. However, this is a real drawback to me as hearing the preview often allowed me to dismiss a message quickly without needing to open it first. For clarification, I've been doing this on a 2011 MacBook Air. I use Mail in standard view with threading turn on and the preview pane fully collapsed. I read through the list of messages by using the up and down arrows while VO focus is on the message list. I don't interact with the message list table and I do not have QuickNav turned on. To read a message, I use command-o to open it in a new window and then just use the arrow keys to read line by line etcetera (with, of course, QuickNav still turned off). Best, Nic -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
The main problem for me with Mavericks Mail is that the read/unread status of messages, and the number of messages in the thread, are announced last by VoiceOver when navigating through the message list. This slows my progress significantly as I have to wait for VoiceOver to announce everything else before I get this important information. I'm interested in whether Robert and others have this issue too, as it seems to me like something that's not dependant on individual settings. My work around for this has been to turn the preview line off in the Viewing tab of Mail Preferences. This way I don't need to listen to the message read out before finding out whether it's read or unread, and how many messages there are in the thread. However, this is a real drawback to me as hearing the preview often allowed me to dismiss a message quickly without needing to open it first. For clarification, I've been doing this on a 2011 MacBook Air. I use Mail in standard view with threading turn on and the preview pane fully collapsed. I read through the list of messages by using the up and down arrows while VO focus is on the message list. I don't interact with the message list table and I do not have QuickNav turned on. To read a message, I use command-o to open it in a new window and then just use the arrow keys to read line by line etcetera (with, of course, QuickNav still turned off). Best, Nic -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Nic! have you tried changing the order of columns in your mail? I did it using classic view a long time ago and don't know if you can do it with standard view but it might be worth checking out. Unless, of course, I am misunderstanding your message. Jim On Dec 19, 2013, at 10:33 PM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: The main problem for me with Mavericks Mail is that the read/unread status of messages, and the number of messages in the thread, are announced last by VoiceOver when navigating through the message list. This slows my progress significantly as I have to wait for VoiceOver to announce everything else before I get this important information. I'm interested in whether Robert and others have this issue too, as it seems to me like something that's not dependant on individual settings. My work around for this has been to turn the preview line off in the Viewing tab of Mail Preferences. This way I don't need to listen to the message read out before finding out whether it's read or unread, and how many messages there are in the thread. However, this is a real drawback to me as hearing the preview often allowed me to dismiss a message quickly without needing to open it first. For clarification, I've been doing this on a 2011 MacBook Air. I use Mail in standard view with threading turn on and the preview pane fully collapsed. I read through the list of messages by using the up and down arrows while VO focus is on the message list. I don't interact with the message list table and I do not have QuickNav turned on. To read a message, I use command-o to open it in a new window and then just use the arrow keys to read line by line etcetera (with, of course, QuickNav still turned off). Best, Nic -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
HI. that’s vo j not command j. I’m not even sure what that command does. I hope this helps Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 18 Dec 2013, at 8:22 am, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: Please tell meow you are reading mail in standard view? I just press enter on each message once they have been deleted. Is there another better way? I don’t do command J. Thanks. Kawal. On 17 Dec 2013, at 21:09, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: Like Robert, I am noticing no issues with mail in Mavericks. I am in standard view with preview pane turned on. I am interacting with the messages table and it all works really fine. I know some people prefer classic view and/or their preview pain turned off. Maybe this is the difference. I just wanted it to be known that Robert is not the only one with no issues, so it’s not unique to his system. I’m not saying there aren’t problems for others, but maybe the standard view/preview pane thing on is part of the answer? Lisette On 18/12/2013, at 6:59 am, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, When I am on the messages list and I press VO+J the text of the mail message starts reading immediately. If there is a link or something in the message that I need to activate, I simply down arrow to it. I have been reading mail this way at least since Lion and certainly in Mountain Lion. Mavericks works exactly the same with the way that I read mail that Mountain Lion did. Mavericks hasn’t broken anything for me. Apparently if it has broken things for others, you must be going about the reading of mail differently than how I am doing it. Robert Carter On Dec 17, 2013, at 11:51 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: that is my point. I can’t press vo/j to read mail anymore because of the one row added announcements that didn’t used to happen, and if you open it with enter or command o you aren’t in the text field to be able to interact you either have to vo down and interact with text, or use the item chooser. hope this makes sense. It is vo/j that is broken. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. when you press vo j to read a message, turn quick nav on and you should be able to interact with the text of the message. to select part of a message to copy and paste press enter on the message to open it. I hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Hi. not having any problems in classic view either. I didn’t do anything to the preview pain though. Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 18 Dec 2013, at 8:09 am, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: Like Robert, I am noticing no issues with mail in Mavericks. I am in standard view with preview pane turned on. I am interacting with the messages table and it all works really fine. I know some people prefer classic view and/or their preview pain turned off. Maybe this is the difference. I just wanted it to be known that Robert is not the only one with no issues, so it’s not unique to his system. I’m not saying there aren’t problems for others, but maybe the standard view/preview pane thing on is part of the answer? Lisette On 18/12/2013, at 6:59 am, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, When I am on the messages list and I press VO+J the text of the mail message starts reading immediately. If there is a link or something in the message that I need to activate, I simply down arrow to it. I have been reading mail this way at least since Lion and certainly in Mountain Lion. Mavericks works exactly the same with the way that I read mail that Mountain Lion did. Mavericks hasn’t broken anything for me. Apparently if it has broken things for others, you must be going about the reading of mail differently than how I am doing it. Robert Carter On Dec 17, 2013, at 11:51 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: that is my point. I can’t press vo/j to read mail anymore because of the one row added announcements that didn’t used to happen, and if you open it with enter or command o you aren’t in the text field to be able to interact you either have to vo down and interact with text, or use the item chooser. hope this makes sense. It is vo/j that is broken. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. when you press vo j to read a message, turn quick nav on and you should be able to interact with the text of the message. to select part of a message to copy and paste press enter on the message to open it. I hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Hi Mary, I am using standard view with threading. Robert Carter On Dec 17, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Robert, Are you using standard or classic view? And are you using threaded view or not? Mary Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Robert, Thanks for your tip on reading mail using VO-J. I am relatively new to the Mac and I have been using the enter key, but needed to use CMD-W to close the email and then use the backspace key to delete it. Your method to me is more efficient when reviewing a tremendous amount of emails. thanks again for the tip. Eileen On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:59 AM, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, When I am on the messages list and I press VO+J the text of the mail message starts reading immediately. If there is a link or something in the message that I need to activate, I simply down arrow to it. I have been reading mail this way at least since Lion and certainly in Mountain Lion. Mavericks works exactly the same with the way that I read mail that Mountain Lion did. Mavericks hasn’t broken anything for me. Apparently if it has broken things for others, you must be going about the reading of mail differently than how I am doing it. Robert Carter On Dec 17, 2013, at 11:51 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: that is my point. I can’t press vo/j to read mail anymore because of the one row added announcements that didn’t used to happen, and if you open it with enter or command o you aren’t in the text field to be able to interact you either have to vo down and interact with text, or use the item chooser. hope this makes sense. It is vo/j that is broken. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. when you press vo j to read a message, turn quick nav on and you should be able to interact with the text of the message. to select part of a message to copy and paste press enter on the message to open it. I hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Hi, I am also using gmail with IMAP. I have the popup setting that says check for new messages set to automatic. I do not have the problem of constantly getting interrupted when new mail comes in. Perhaps you receive a lot more mail than I do but this just isn’t an issue for me. Robert Carter On Dec 17, 2013, at 5:16 PM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: don’t think you can with gmail and imap. I checked that setting and I just get email anyway. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Rhonda Hornbacher rhondahornbac...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You may want to check manually fetch mail, that is how I have it set because messages kept coming in and interrupting . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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It seems like the only time I ever hear the one row added is when I am interacted with the message. If not and just reading by pressing enter on it I never hear that. On Dec 18, 2013, at 7:32 AM, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am also using gmail with IMAP. I have the popup setting that says check for new messages set to automatic. I do not have the problem of constantly getting interrupted when new mail comes in. Perhaps you receive a lot more mail than I do but this just isn’t an issue for me. Robert Carter On Dec 17, 2013, at 5:16 PM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: don’t think you can with gmail and imap. I checked that setting and I just get email anyway. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Rhonda Hornbacher rhondahornbac...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You may want to check manually fetch mail, that is how I have it set because messages kept coming in and interrupting . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
fine, but it is for me. I just thought others might want to report it to accessibility as I did. I get about 2000 mails a day, some more than 30 pages in length. you can see how I would be constantly interupted. Alia On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:32 AM, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am also using gmail with IMAP. I have the popup setting that says check for new messages set to automatic. I do not have the problem of constantly getting interrupted when new mail comes in. Perhaps you receive a lot more mail than I do but this just isn’t an issue for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added. If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w. You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:04 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: voiceover still says ‘one row added’ while trying to read mail. it also doesn’t focus on the message when you do ‘vo/j’ on a message. It keeps you in the message list so when you go to review text you aren’t actually focused on the message at all, but still on the inbox list. Alia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not say one row added in classic view or modern view. It did say it in conversation view, but when you vo/j on a message it read normally. I read hundreds of mail messages before upgrading to mavericks, and when you were focused on the text of a message with vo/j you were not interupted. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote: VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added. If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Well, it has always done it for me no matter what view I used. You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:26 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not say one row added in classic view or modern view. It did say it in conversation view, but when you vo/j on a message it read normally. I read hundreds of mail messages before upgrading to mavericks, and when you were focused on the text of a message with vo/j you were not interupted. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote: VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added. If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Hi guys, I know this is far from a solution, more just my curiosity but, why not just press enter or command O on the message instead of VO J? For starters, your pressing less keys. Second, it works 100% of the time. When your done, hit backspace to delete or, command W to close the window and your right back in the messages table. I mean, am I missing something here with VO J? Is there an advantage that I’ve just overlooked or, is it just a personal preference thing? I hope I’m not sounding flip. I’m definitely not trying to come off as such. Thanks. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:04 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: voiceover still says ‘one row added’ while trying to read mail. it also doesn’t focus on the message when you do ‘vo/j’ on a message. It keeps you in the message list so when you go to review text you aren’t actually focused on the message at all, but still on the inbox list. Alia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
When what you are used to doing doesn't work for you, it is time to move on and try something else. Vo-j is no longer the best way to handle mail so it's time to adapt in my opinion. -- Cheryl Go beyond the Christmas story this year; meet Immanuel (God with us), Jesus, the crucified Savior, Christ, the risen Lord. On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:26 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not say one row added in classic view or modern view. It did say it in conversation view, but when you vo/j on a message it read normally. I read hundreds of mail messages before upgrading to mavericks, and when you were focused on the text of a message with vo/j you were not interupted. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote: VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added. If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Hi, I’m using VO+j to jump from the message list table to the content of a mail message. It works perfectly for me. I see no reason not to use return if that also works. I have the preview pane turned on and am using mail in its default view. I would love to know what is different about what others are doing that isn’t working for them. I am certain that different things either please or irritate individuals depending on your mail reading techniques. For me, though, I am extremely please with how mail is working with the 10.9.1 update of Mavericks. Robert Carter On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:40 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I know this is far from a solution, more just my curiosity but, why not just press enter or command O on the message instead of VO J? For starters, your pressing less keys. Second, it works 100% of the time. When your done, hit backspace to delete or, command W to close the window and your right back in the messages table. I mean, am I missing something here with VO J? Is there an advantage that I’ve just overlooked or, is it just a personal preference thing? I hope I’m not sounding flip. I’m definitely not trying to come off as such. Thanks. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:04 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: voiceover still says ‘one row added’ while trying to read mail. it also doesn’t focus on the message when you do ‘vo/j’ on a message. It keeps you in the message list so when you go to review text you aren’t actually focused on the message at all, but still on the inbox list. Alia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Good advice from Ricardo, backspace to delete. Here in Mountain Lion i need to have full screen in Mail to get Vo + j to work. Maybe you need to have full screen in Maverick Mail too? Take care 17. des. 2013 kl. 14:26 skrev alia robinson ali...@gmail.com: this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not say one row added in classic view or modern view. It did say it in conversation view, but when you vo/j on a message it read normally. I read hundreds of mail messages before upgrading to mavericks, and when you were focused on the text of a message with vo/j you were not interupted. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote: VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added. If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
In Mavericks, enter works most of the time, but I have had it fail on me. Also, in ML, enter opened a message and read it immediately. In Mavericks, though, the message opens, VO reads the subject as expected, and then it reads the sender's name followed by several clicks. There is then a silence for anywhere from one to fifteen seconds before the text itself is read. VO-a, which I usually use to skip the subject/sender, will not work until the text loads. As I said, this can be up to ten or fifteen seconds. So enter does work better than vo-j, but messages sometimes take so long to load that it becomes incredibly frustrating. Additionally, the inability to have VO say a conversation's message count, unread status, and so on combines with the afore mentioned problems to make Mail a horribly inefficient app for me under Mavericks. Oh, and yes, this is under 10.9.1. On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:50 AM, Terje Strømberg terjestrmb...@gmail.com wrote: Good advice from Ricardo, backspace to delete. Here in Mountain Lion i need to have full screen in Mail to get Vo + j to work. Maybe you need to have full screen in Maverick Mail too? Take care 17. des. 2013 kl. 14:26 skrev alia robinson ali...@gmail.com: this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not say one row added in classic view or modern view. It did say it in conversation view, but when you vo/j on a message it read normally. I read hundreds of mail messages before upgrading to mavericks, and when you were focused on the text of a message with vo/j you were not interupted. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote: VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added. If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Yes, one row added will be spoken because the inbox is a table and, of course, new messages will add a new row. I have had this behavior going back to, at least, Leopard. The only time you might not is if you are not interacting with the message table. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote: VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added. If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w. You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:04 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: voiceover still says ‘one row added’ while trying to read mail. it also doesn’t focus on the message when you do ‘vo/j’ on a message. It keeps you in the message list so when you go to review text you aren’t actually focused on the message at all, but still on the inbox list. Alia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
I know what the new click means, but VO clicks five times after the sender's name where it should click only once. I wouldn't mind so much if the delay wasn't there. I am not sure about html versus text, but I can tell you that ML never did this to me - messages always opened immediately, and now they almost never do. On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:50 AM, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote: Use the sound effects help in the VoiceOver help menu. There are several new sounds for different elements. This is why you hear various sounds when you open a mail message. To me, some are quite helpful. I also think that whether the mail message is HTML or plain text/rich text makes a difference in those delays you indicate. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: In Mavericks, enter works most of the time, but I have had it fail on me. Also, in ML, enter opened a message and read it immediately. In Mavericks, though, the message opens, VO reads the subject as expected, and then it reads the sender's name followed by several clicks. There is then a silence for anywhere from one to fifteen seconds before the text itself is read. VO-a, which I usually use to skip the subject/sender, will not work until the text loads. As I said, this can be up to ten or fifteen seconds. So enter does work better than vo-j, but messages sometimes take so long to load that it becomes incredibly frustrating. Additionally, the inability to have VO say a conversation's message count, unread status, and so on combines with the afore mentioned problems to make Mail a horribly inefficient app for me under Mavericks. Oh, and yes, this is under 10.9.1. On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:50 AM, Terje Strømberg terjestrmb...@gmail.com wrote: Good advice from Ricardo, backspace to delete. Here in Mountain Lion i need to have full screen in Mail to get Vo + j to work. Maybe you need to have full screen in Maverick Mail too? Take care 17. des. 2013 kl. 14:26 skrev alia robinson ali...@gmail.com: this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not say one row added in classic view or modern view. It did say it in conversation view, but when you vo/j on a message it read normally. I read hundreds of mail messages before upgrading to mavericks, and when you were focused on the text of a message with vo/j you were not interupted. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote: VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added. If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
Re: huge mail problems still
Use the sound effects help in the VoiceOver help menu. There are several new sounds for different elements. This is why you hear various sounds when you open a mail message. To me, some are quite helpful. I also think that whether the mail message is HTML or plain text/rich text makes a difference in those delays you indicate. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: In Mavericks, enter works most of the time, but I have had it fail on me. Also, in ML, enter opened a message and read it immediately. In Mavericks, though, the message opens, VO reads the subject as expected, and then it reads the sender's name followed by several clicks. There is then a silence for anywhere from one to fifteen seconds before the text itself is read. VO-a, which I usually use to skip the subject/sender, will not work until the text loads. As I said, this can be up to ten or fifteen seconds. So enter does work better than vo-j, but messages sometimes take so long to load that it becomes incredibly frustrating. Additionally, the inability to have VO say a conversation's message count, unread status, and so on combines with the afore mentioned problems to make Mail a horribly inefficient app for me under Mavericks. Oh, and yes, this is under 10.9.1. On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:50 AM, Terje Strømberg terjestrmb...@gmail.com wrote: Good advice from Ricardo, backspace to delete. Here in Mountain Lion i need to have full screen in Mail to get Vo + j to work. Maybe you need to have full screen in Maverick Mail too? Take care 17. des. 2013 kl. 14:26 skrev alia robinson ali...@gmail.com: this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not say one row added in classic view or modern view. It did say it in conversation view, but when you vo/j on a message it read normally. I read hundreds of mail messages before upgrading to mavericks, and when you were focused on the text of a message with vo/j you were not interupted. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote: VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added. If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
If you find it to be annoying I think you can disable it somewhere in system preferences. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:46 AM, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, one row added will be spoken because the inbox is a table and, of course, new messages will add a new row. I have had this behavior going back to, at least, Leopard. The only time you might not is if you are not interacting with the message table. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote: VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added. If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w. You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:04 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: voiceover still says ‘one row added’ while trying to read mail. it also doesn’t focus on the message when you do ‘vo/j’ on a message. It keeps you in the message list so when you go to review text you aren’t actually focused on the message at all, but still on the inbox list. Alia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
The problem for me with pressing Return on a message instead of VO-J, is that the message subject and folder you're in is spoken first before the message itself. That adds up to a huge amount of extra verbiage when you read hundreds of messages a day. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 18/12/2013, at 2:26 am, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not say one row added in classic view or modern view. It did say it in conversation view, but when you vo/j on a message it read normally. I read hundreds of mail messages before upgrading to mavericks, and when you were focused on the text of a message with vo/j you were not interupted. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote: VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added. If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Exactly, and that's why I usually use vo-a as soon as the message opens. In Mavericks, this won't work since the message usually takes so long to load. The clicks don't anny me, and I appreciate them when reading text where something like an embedded address is detected. It is more that there are a bunch of extra clicks before the message is even read, and that reading said message takes so long. On Dec 17, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: The problem for me with pressing Return on a message instead of VO-J, is that the message subject and folder you're in is spoken first before the message itself. That adds up to a huge amount of extra verbiage when you read hundreds of messages a day. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 18/12/2013, at 2:26 am, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not say one row added in classic view or modern view. It did say it in conversation view, but when you vo/j on a message it read normally. I read hundreds of mail messages before upgrading to mavericks, and when you were focused on the text of a message with vo/j you were not interupted. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote: VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added. If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Hi, I am using a 2012 retina MacBook Pro. When I am on the message list in mail and press vo+j, the body of the message is read immediately by VoiceOver. I do not experience any delay at all. Robert Carter On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:36 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly, and that's why I usually use vo-a as soon as the message opens. In Mavericks, this won't work since the message usually takes so long to load. The clicks don't anny me, and I appreciate them when reading text where something like an embedded address is detected. It is more that there are a bunch of extra clicks before the message is even read, and that reading said message takes so long. On Dec 17, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: The problem for me with pressing Return on a message instead of VO-J, is that the message subject and folder you're in is spoken first before the message itself. That adds up to a huge amount of extra verbiage when you read hundreds of messages a day. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 18/12/2013, at 2:26 am, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not say one row added in classic view or modern view. It did say it in conversation view, but when you vo/j on a message it read normally. I read hundreds of mail messages before upgrading to mavericks, and when you were focused on the text of a message with vo/j you were not interupted. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote: VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added. If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Hi Robert, this is heartening, but since your experience on the list seems to be the exception rather than the rule, I think Apple Accessibility needs to let us know what the magic ingredient is to getting VO-J behaving 100% of the time in Mail as it used to. For now the work-around I'v employed is to press it 3 times quickly. Pressing it once works every so often. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 18/12/2013, at 4:44 am, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am using a 2012 retina MacBook Pro. When I am on the message list in mail and press vo+j, the body of the message is read immediately by VoiceOver. I do not experience any delay at all. Robert Carter On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:36 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly, and that's why I usually use vo-a as soon as the message opens. In Mavericks, this won't work since the message usually takes so long to load. The clicks don't anny me, and I appreciate them when reading text where something like an embedded address is detected. It is more that there are a bunch of extra clicks before the message is even read, and that reading said message takes so long. On Dec 17, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: The problem for me with pressing Return on a message instead of VO-J, is that the message subject and folder you're in is spoken first before the message itself. That adds up to a huge amount of extra verbiage when you read hundreds of messages a day. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 18/12/2013, at 2:26 am, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not say one row added in classic view or modern view. It did say it in conversation view, but when you vo/j on a message it read normally. I read hundreds of mail messages before upgrading to mavericks, and when you were focused on the text of a message with vo/j you were not interupted. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote: VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added. If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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This is the same for me. I prefer VO-j over the enter method for the reasons Alex and others have expressed in this thread. I only wanted to point out the sounds you were hearing and why. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Dec 17, 2013, at 10:44 AM, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am using a 2012 retina MacBook Pro. When I am on the message list in mail and press vo+j, the body of the message is read immediately by VoiceOver. I do not experience any delay at all. Robert Carter On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:36 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly, and that's why I usually use vo-a as soon as the message opens. In Mavericks, this won't work since the message usually takes so long to load. The clicks don't anny me, and I appreciate them when reading text where something like an embedded address is detected. It is more that there are a bunch of extra clicks before the message is even read, and that reading said message takes so long. On Dec 17, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: The problem for me with pressing Return on a message instead of VO-J, is that the message subject and folder you're in is spoken first before the message itself. That adds up to a huge amount of extra verbiage when you read hundreds of messages a day. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 18/12/2013, at 2:26 am, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not say one row added in classic view or modern view. It did say it in conversation view, but when you vo/j on a message it read normally. I read hundreds of mail messages before upgrading to mavericks, and when you were focused on the text of a message with vo/j you were not interupted. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote: VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added. If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi, If you get rid of the Preview Pane so that pressing return/enter opens the message, then the “one row added” does not happen and the focus is directly on the message that you’re reading. Later… Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Dec 17, 2013, at 6:04 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: voiceover still says ‘one row added’ while trying to read mail. it also doesn’t focus on the message when you do ‘vo/j’ on a message. It keeps you in the message list so when you go to review text you aren’t actually focused on the message at all, but still on the inbox list. Alia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hmmm. I don’t experience the delay at all that Alex is speaking of when I use the return method. It does read the subject though which hasn’t bothered me much. Sometimes, I just VO-left then VO-right and it starts reading the message if I don’t feel like listening to the subject. Later… Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly, and that's why I usually use vo-a as soon as the message opens. In Mavericks, this won't work since the message usually takes so long to load. The clicks don't anny me, and I appreciate them when reading text where something like an embedded address is detected. It is more that there are a bunch of extra clicks before the message is even read, and that reading said message takes so long. On Dec 17, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: The problem for me with pressing Return on a message instead of VO-J, is that the message subject and folder you're in is spoken first before the message itself. That adds up to a huge amount of extra verbiage when you read hundreds of messages a day. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 18/12/2013, at 2:26 am, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not say one row added in classic view or modern view. It did say it in conversation view, but when you vo/j on a message it read normally. I read hundreds of mail messages before upgrading to mavericks, and when you were focused on the text of a message with vo/j you were not interupted. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote: VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added. If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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no, you can’t disable it. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote: If you find it to be annoying I think you can disable it somewhere in system preferences. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:46 AM, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, one row added will be spoken because the inbox is a table and, of course, new messages will add a new row. I have had this behavior going back to, at least, Leopard. The only time you might not is if you are not interacting with the message table. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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exactly, and it worked fine before mavericks and now doesn’t. I am kind of put off by people saying just get used to doing it differently. Obviously something that was working is no longer working, imo that is a bug, and how many bugs am I supposed to be expected to “put up with” before the operating system is unusable? Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: The problem for me with pressing Return on a message instead of VO-J, is that the message subject and folder you're in is spoken first before the message itself. That adds up to a huge amount of extra verbiage when you read hundreds of messages a day. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi, On my machine, a mid 2010 macbook pro, there is no real latency between pressing enter and control O and the message opening. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Dec 17, 2013, at 10:36 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly, and that's why I usually use vo-a as soon as the message opens. In Mavericks, this won't work since the message usually takes so long to load. The clicks don't anny me, and I appreciate them when reading text where something like an embedded address is detected. It is more that there are a bunch of extra clicks before the message is even read, and that reading said message takes so long. On Dec 17, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: The problem for me with pressing Return on a message instead of VO-J, is that the message subject and folder you're in is spoken first before the message itself. That adds up to a huge amount of extra verbiage when you read hundreds of messages a day. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 18/12/2013, at 2:26 am, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not say one row added in classic view or modern view. It did say it in conversation view, but when you vo/j on a message it read normally. I read hundreds of mail messages before upgrading to mavericks, and when you were focused on the text of a message with vo/j you were not interupted. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote: VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added. If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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for me enter never interacts with text, yes it reads it, but more often than not I am on the header field, and the currsor isn’t tracking as it reads. If I want to open a link, or review text I have to vo down and interact with text. that is far more work if I forget to do it, and it’s never consistent. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I know this is far from a solution, more just my curiosity but, why not just press enter or command O on the message instead of VO J? For starters, your pressing less keys. Second, it works 100% of the time. When your done, hit backspace to delete or, command W to close the window and your right back in the messages table. I mean, am I missing something here with VO J? Is there an advantage that I’ve just overlooked or, is it just a personal preference thing? I hope I’m not sounding flip. I’m definitely not trying to come off as such. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I use item chooser. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:00 PM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: for me enter never interacts with text, yes it reads it, but more often than not I am on the header field, and the currsor isn’t tracking as it reads. If I want to open a link, or review text I have to vo down and interact with text. that is far more work if I forget to do it, and it’s never consistent. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I know this is far from a solution, more just my curiosity but, why not just press enter or command O on the message instead of VO J? For starters, your pressing less keys. Second, it works 100% of the time. When your done, hit backspace to delete or, command W to close the window and your right back in the messages table. I mean, am I missing something here with VO J? Is there an advantage that I’ve just overlooked or, is it just a personal preference thing? I hope I’m not sounding flip. I’m definitely not trying to come off as such. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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HI. with me at least, vo j just reads the text of the message. if you press enter or command o you hear who it’s from and their email address etc. It just seems a bit quicker to me. I’m not having any problems with vo j though. Blessings! maria and Joe chapman Email, iMessage fb: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com twitter: bubbygirl On 18 Dec 2013, at 12:40 am, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I know this is far from a solution, more just my curiosity but, why not just press enter or command O on the message instead of VO J? For starters, your pressing less keys. Second, it works 100% of the time. When your done, hit backspace to delete or, command W to close the window and your right back in the messages table. I mean, am I missing something here with VO J? Is there an advantage that I’ve just overlooked or, is it just a personal preference thing? I hope I’m not sounding flip. I’m definitely not trying to come off as such. Thanks. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:04 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: voiceover still says ‘one row added’ while trying to read mail. it also doesn’t focus on the message when you do ‘vo/j’ on a message. It keeps you in the message list so when you go to review text you aren’t actually focused on the message at all, but still on the inbox list. Alia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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HI. when you press vo j to read a message, turn quick nav on and you should be able to interact with the text of the message. to select part of a message to copy and paste press enter on the message to open it. I hope this helps. Cheers Maria sent from mac mini email, fb bubbygirl1...@gmail.com skype bubbygirl1972 twitter same as skype without the numbers. On 18 Dec 2013, at 12:04 am, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: voiceover still says ‘one row added’ while trying to read mail. it also doesn’t focus on the message when you do ‘vo/j’ on a message. It keeps you in the message list so when you go to review text you aren’t actually focused on the message at all, but still on the inbox list. Alia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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that is my point. I can’t press vo/j to read mail anymore because of the one row added announcements that didn’t used to happen, and if you open it with enter or command o you aren’t in the text field to be able to interact you either have to vo down and interact with text, or use the item chooser. hope this makes sense. It is vo/j that is broken. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. when you press vo j to read a message, turn quick nav on and you should be able to interact with the text of the message. to select part of a message to copy and paste press enter on the message to open it. I hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Hi. if you jget a 1 row added just interact with the text and press vo a to continue reading. It shouldn’t really interrupt that much. Unless you’re getting lots of mail coming in. I hope this helps Cheers Maria sent from mac mini email, fb bubbygirl1...@gmail.com skype bubbygirl1972 twitter same as skype without the numbers. On 18 Dec 2013, at 4:51 am, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: that is my point. I can’t press vo/j to read mail anymore because of the one row added announcements that didn’t used to happen, and if you open it with enter or command o you aren’t in the text field to be able to interact you either have to vo down and interact with text, or use the item chooser. hope this makes sense. It is vo/j that is broken. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. when you press vo j to read a message, turn quick nav on and you should be able to interact with the text of the message. to select part of a message to copy and paste press enter on the message to open it. I hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi, When I am on the messages list and I press VO+J the text of the mail message starts reading immediately. If there is a link or something in the message that I need to activate, I simply down arrow to it. I have been reading mail this way at least since Lion and certainly in Mountain Lion. Mavericks works exactly the same with the way that I read mail that Mountain Lion did. Mavericks hasn’t broken anything for me. Apparently if it has broken things for others, you must be going about the reading of mail differently than how I am doing it. Robert Carter On Dec 17, 2013, at 11:51 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: that is my point. I can’t press vo/j to read mail anymore because of the one row added announcements that didn’t used to happen, and if you open it with enter or command o you aren’t in the text field to be able to interact you either have to vo down and interact with text, or use the item chooser. hope this makes sense. It is vo/j that is broken. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. when you press vo j to read a message, turn quick nav on and you should be able to interact with the text of the message. to select part of a message to copy and paste press enter on the message to open it. I hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi. it’s the same for me, accept if quick nav is turned off and I’ve pressed vo j then try to arrow through a message it reads the message list, but this works fine if quick nav is on. Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 18 Dec 2013, at 4:59 am, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, When I am on the messages list and I press VO+J the text of the mail message starts reading immediately. If there is a link or something in the message that I need to activate, I simply down arrow to it. I have been reading mail this way at least since Lion and certainly in Mountain Lion. Mavericks works exactly the same with the way that I read mail that Mountain Lion did. Mavericks hasn’t broken anything for me. Apparently if it has broken things for others, you must be going about the reading of mail differently than how I am doing it. Robert Carter On Dec 17, 2013, at 11:51 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: that is my point. I can’t press vo/j to read mail anymore because of the one row added announcements that didn’t used to happen, and if you open it with enter or command o you aren’t in the text field to be able to interact you either have to vo down and interact with text, or use the item chooser. hope this makes sense. It is vo/j that is broken. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. when you press vo j to read a message, turn quick nav on and you should be able to interact with the text of the message. to select part of a message to copy and paste press enter on the message to open it. I hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
I am getting a lot of mail, and it does interfere greatly for me. with imap you can’t tell it to do manual retrieval, so yes, it is interupting me every couple of minutes. for the amount of mail I get it makes it unuseable. they will either have to fix it or I guess I will have to live with doing it the hard way. It doesn’t bode well for accessibility though if they leave things like this broken. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. if you jget a 1 row added just interact with the text and press vo a to continue reading. It shouldn’t really interrupt that much. Unless you’re getting lots of mail coming in. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
when new mail comes in it will interput your reading and say ‘one row added’ has been doing this since the upgrade. On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:59 PM, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, When I am on the messages list and I press VO+J the text of the mail message starts reading immediately. If there is a link or something in the message that I need to activate, I simply down arrow to it. I have been reading mail this way at least since Lion and certainly in Mountain Lion. Mavericks works exactly the same with the way that I read mail that Mountain Lion did. Mavericks hasn’t broken anything for me. Apparently if it has broken things for others, you must be going about the reading of mail differently than how I am doing it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi all! I've been sitting here all morning with my email open and reading lots of messages. I've tried to replicate problems that some seem to be having and I can't. I usually just press enter to open an email and press backspace or delete to get rid of a message. I also did vo-j and had no problems. That keystroke seems a little awkward to me. I've pressed enter to open messages in almost every mail client I have ever used. I've also switched to and from classic view and had no problems there. I'm using mavericks on a macbook 2013 model. I don't think I have any voiceover settings that would make a difference. Just curious. My mail works fine. I'm not always happy with the interaction between gmail and apple but not sure whose fault that is. Jim On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Ricardo, You use mail exactly the way I use, just enter on a message to open and backspace to delete it. Can you confirm to me that in Mavericks this still works fine. I use classic view in mail, and haven't wanted to upgrade to Mavericks because of all the mail issues but it sounds like the issues are with using the BO J style. It's great that we have options, I just want to make sure the way I use mail isn't all buggy before updating. Thanks, On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I know this is far from a solution, more just my curiosity but, why not just press enter or command O on the message instead of VO J? For starters, your pressing less keys. Second, it works 100% of the time. When your done, hit backspace to delete or, command W to close the window and your right back in the messages table. I mean, am I missing something here with VO J? Is there an advantage that I’ve just overlooked or, is it just a personal preference thing? I hope I’m not sounding flip. I’m definitely not trying to come off as such. Thanks. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:04 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: voiceover still says ‘one row added’ while trying to read mail. it also doesn’t focus on the message when you do ‘vo/j’ on a message. It keeps you in the message list so when you go to review text you aren’t actually focused on the message at all, but still on the inbox list. Alia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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HI. I’m not sure that its broken. I think vo is just letting you know that a new message has come in. this might be important information for some. If I press enter on a message vo automatically reads it to me. it’s just that I don’t necessarily want to hear the email address and stuff again. If you press vo j and are reading a message and hear 1 row added, just make sure quick nav is on and arrow down. the rest of the message should be available for you to read. hth. regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out www.95-the-mix.com where we play lots of great music On 18 Dec 2013, at 5:02 am, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: I am getting a lot of mail, and it does interfere greatly for me. with imap you can’t tell it to do manual retrieval, so yes, it is interupting me every couple of minutes. for the amount of mail I get it makes it unuseable. they will either have to fix it or I guess I will have to live with doing it the hard way. It doesn’t bode well for accessibility though if they leave things like this broken. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. if you jget a 1 row added just interact with the text and press vo a to continue reading. It shouldn’t really interrupt that much. Unless you’re getting lots of mail coming in. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
What exactly is the hard way? Jim On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:02 PM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: I am getting a lot of mail, and it does interfere greatly for me. with imap you can’t tell it to do manual retrieval, so yes, it is interupting me every couple of minutes. for the amount of mail I get it makes it unuseable. they will either have to fix it or I guess I will have to live with doing it the hard way. It doesn’t bode well for accessibility though if they leave things like this broken. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. if you jget a 1 row added just interact with the text and press vo a to continue reading. It shouldn’t really interrupt that much. Unless you’re getting lots of mail coming in. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Hey Ricardo, You use mail exactly the way I use, just enter on a message to open and backspace to delete it. Can you confirm to me that in Mavericks this still works fine. I use classic view in mail, and haven't wanted to upgrade to Mavericks because of all the mail issues but it sounds like the issues are with using the BO J style. It's great that we have options, I just want to make sure the way I use mail isn't all buggy before updating. Thanks, On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I know this is far from a solution, more just my curiosity but, why not just press enter or command O on the message instead of VO J? For starters, your pressing less keys. Second, it works 100% of the time. When your done, hit backspace to delete or, command W to close the window and your right back in the messages table. I mean, am I missing something here with VO J? Is there an advantage that I’ve just overlooked or, is it just a personal preference thing? I hope I’m not sounding flip. I’m definitely not trying to come off as such. Thanks. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:04 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: voiceover still says ‘one row added’ while trying to read mail. it also doesn’t focus on the message when you do ‘vo/j’ on a message. It keeps you in the message list so when you go to review text you aren’t actually focused on the message at all, but still on the inbox list. Alia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
HI. I’m not really having any problems either. I prefer to use vo j but either way works just fine. If I get the 1 row added message I either just arrow down with quick nav on to read the rest of the message or do a vo a. Blessings! maria and Joe chapman Email, iMessage fb: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com twitter: bubbygirl On 18 Dec 2013, at 5:07 am, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all! I've been sitting here all morning with my email open and reading lots of messages. I've tried to replicate problems that some seem to be having and I can't. I usually just press enter to open an email and press backspace or delete to get rid of a message. I also did vo-j and had no problems. That keystroke seems a little awkward to me. I've pressed enter to open messages in almost every mail client I have ever used. I've also switched to and from classic view and had no problems there. I'm using mavericks on a macbook 2013 model. I don't think I have any voiceover settings that would make a difference. Just curious. My mail works fine. I'm not always happy with the interaction between gmail and apple but not sure whose fault that is. Jim On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Ricardo, You use mail exactly the way I use, just enter on a message to open and backspace to delete it. Can you confirm to me that in Mavericks this still works fine. I use classic view in mail, and haven't wanted to upgrade to Mavericks because of all the mail issues but it sounds like the issues are with using the BO J style. It's great that we have options, I just want to make sure the way I use mail isn't all buggy before updating. Thanks, On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I know this is far from a solution, more just my curiosity but, why not just press enter or command O on the message instead of VO J? For starters, your pressing less keys. Second, it works 100% of the time. When your done, hit backspace to delete or, command W to close the window and your right back in the messages table. I mean, am I missing something here with VO J? Is there an advantage that I’ve just overlooked or, is it just a personal preference thing? I hope I’m not sounding flip. I’m definitely not trying to come off as such. Thanks. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:04 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: voiceover still says ‘one row added’ while trying to read mail. it also doesn’t focus on the message when you do ‘vo/j’ on a message. It keeps you in the message list so when you go to review text you aren’t actually focused on the message at all, but still on the inbox list. Alia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For
Re: huge mail problems still
if I do a return or a command O am not focusing in the text fields, so I have to vo down or use item chooser to get to links in mail. If I am doing vo/j alone the currsor moves as it reads. It makes working with links in mail more difficult. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote: What exactly is the hard way? Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Hi just press vo a and the rest of the message should resume reading. hth Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 18 Dec 2013, at 5:04 am, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: when new mail comes in it will interput your reading and say ‘one row added’ has been doing this since the upgrade. On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:59 PM, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, When I am on the messages list and I press VO+J the text of the mail message starts reading immediately. If there is a link or something in the message that I need to activate, I simply down arrow to it. I have been reading mail this way at least since Lion and certainly in Mountain Lion. Mavericks works exactly the same with the way that I read mail that Mountain Lion did. Mavericks hasn’t broken anything for me. Apparently if it has broken things for others, you must be going about the reading of mail differently than how I am doing it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
If I open a message with the return key it puts me in the body of the mail message. Maybe I'm missing something but I can't see the need for vo-j. seems like a lot of extra keystrokes. I have to turn on quick nag if I do vo-j. Can somebody explain? On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:11 PM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: if I do a return or a command O am not focusing in the text fields, so I have to vo down or use item chooser to get to links in mail. If I am doing vo/j alone the currsor moves as it reads. It makes working with links in mail more difficult. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote: What exactly is the hard way? Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I realize that, but when it happens five or six times a message it becomes tedious. I am simply saying for me, who gets long messages, and lots of them it is making mail unmanageable, that is all. I appreciate help and suggestions, truly I do, but when the work arounds are becoming this annoying I don’t think it’s a bad thing to let people know and to write accessibility. this fix would be as simple as somehow writing a script in verbosity to turn off the ‘one row added’ announcement. Unfortunately I don’t know how to write scripts for mac. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:11 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi just press vo a and the rest of the message should resume reading. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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It puts me in headers, almost everytime. I always have to vo down to get to text. On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote: If I open a message with the return key it puts me in the body of the mail message. Maybe I'm missing something but I can't see the need for vo-j. seems like a lot of extra keystrokes. I have to turn on quick nag if I do vo-j. Can somebody explain? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I have to vo-left or right to get into the headers. mine always leaves me at the first of a mail message when I press return to open. On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:16 PM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: It puts me in headers, almost everytime. I always have to vo down to get to text. On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote: If I open a message with the return key it puts me in the body of the mail message. Maybe I'm missing something but I can't see the need for vo-j. seems like a lot of extra keystrokes. I have to turn on quick nag if I do vo-j. Can somebody explain? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I used to be able to read messages fine. Only if I was in the message list did it say ‘one row added’ once I interacted with text it didn’t read that at all. It is since the upgrade to mavericks, and as I said some of my emails are pages long, so I am doing this ten times an email. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:08 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. I’m not sure that its broken. I think vo is just letting you know that a new message has come in. this might be important information for some. If I press enter on a message vo automatically reads it to me. it’s just that I don’t necessarily want to hear the email address and stuff again. If you press vo j and are reading a message and hear 1 row added, just make sure quick nav is on and arrow down. the rest of the message should be available for you to read. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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HI. If I press return or command o I get from and maybe their email address etc. When I press backspace to delete I get inbox iPhone message 1 of xxx etc. If I press vo j I hear the text of the message straight up and then when I press back space it just tells me the next message usually. I think it’s just personal preference. If quick nav is on and I press vo j I can arrow through the message. If quick nav is turned off and I try to arrow through the message I hear other messages in the list. I hope this kind of makes sense. Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 18 Dec 2013, at 5:15 am, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote: If I open a message with the return key it puts me in the body of the mail message. Maybe I'm missing something but I can't see the need for vo-j. seems like a lot of extra keystrokes. I have to turn on quick nag if I do vo-j. Can somebody explain? On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:11 PM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: if I do a return or a command O am not focusing in the text fields, so I have to vo down or use item chooser to get to links in mail. If I am doing vo/j alone the currsor moves as it reads. It makes working with links in mail more difficult. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote: What exactly is the hard way? Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Are you saying you have to interact with a message to read it? I do not have to do this, only if I want a link or event or some specific info but just reading I just press enter. On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:18 PM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: I used to be able to read messages fine. Only if I was in the message list did it say ‘one row added’ once I interacted with text it didn’t read that at all. It is since the upgrade to mavericks, and as I said some of my emails are pages long, so I am doing this ten times an email. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:08 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. I’m not sure that its broken. I think vo is just letting you know that a new message has come in. this might be important information for some. If I press enter on a message vo automatically reads it to me. it’s just that I don’t necessarily want to hear the email address and stuff again. If you press vo j and are reading a message and hear 1 row added, just make sure quick nav is on and arrow down. the rest of the message should be available for you to read. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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HI. that would be a good idea if it’s an option to turn it off. I think it should be optional for sure though. Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 18 Dec 2013, at 5:15 am, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: I realize that, but when it happens five or six times a message it becomes tedious. I am simply saying for me, who gets long messages, and lots of them it is making mail unmanageable, that is all. I appreciate help and suggestions, truly I do, but when the work arounds are becoming this annoying I don’t think it’s a bad thing to let people know and to write accessibility. this fix would be as simple as somehow writing a script in verbosity to turn off the ‘one row added’ announcement. Unfortunately I don’t know how to write scripts for mac. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:11 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi just press vo a and the rest of the message should resume reading. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Mine isn’t consistent, at times it does, at times it doesn’t. I have no idea why. On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote: I have to vo-left or right to get into the headers. mine always leaves me at the first of a mail message when I press return to open. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I am saying vo/j no longer works to read mail with imaps enabled. I prefer to read mail with vo/j since the currsor tracks correctly, and I can click on links without having to vo down or use the item chooser since enter and command o sometimes put me in the header field. On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote: Are you saying you have to interact with a message to read it? I do not have to do this, only if I want a link or event or some specific info but just reading I just press enter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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It seems like it would be easy to do. If I write a script I’ll probably blow up my processor! :) On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. that would be a good idea if it’s an option to turn it off. I think it should be optional for sure though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi. sorry I don’t know how to write a script either. regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out www.95-the-mix.com where we play lots of great music On 18 Dec 2013, at 5:23 am, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: It seems like it would be easy to do. If I write a script I’ll probably blow up my processor! :) On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. that would be a good idea if it’s an option to turn it off. I think it should be optional for sure though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi Alex, I’m wondering what your Header detail is set to. In Mail Prefs, in the Viewing tab, if you have your Header Detail set to all, then it may take more time blipping through those details. I’ve set mine to Custom and only have things like From, To, CC, Attachments and Date. I believe that you can also press cmd-shift-h when in Mail to toggle between these levels of detail. Not sure if that will make a difference but thought it may be worth a mention. Later… Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:42 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: In Mavericks, enter works most of the time, but I have had it fail on me. Also, in ML, enter opened a message and read it immediately. In Mavericks, though, the message opens, VO reads the subject as expected, and then it reads the sender's name followed by several clicks. There is then a silence for anywhere from one to fifteen seconds before the text itself is read. VO-a, which I usually use to skip the subject/sender, will not work until the text loads. As I said, this can be up to ten or fifteen seconds. So enter does work better than vo-j, but messages sometimes take so long to load that it becomes incredibly frustrating. Additionally, the inability to have VO say a conversation's message count, unread status, and so on combines with the afore mentioned problems to make Mail a horribly inefficient app for me under Mavericks. Oh, and yes, this is under 10.9.1. On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:50 AM, Terje Strømberg terjestrmb...@gmail.com wrote: Good advice from Ricardo, backspace to delete. Here in Mountain Lion i need to have full screen in Mail to get Vo + j to work. Maybe you need to have full screen in Maverick Mail too? Take care 17. des. 2013 kl. 14:26 skrev alia robinson ali...@gmail.com: this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not say one row added in classic view or modern view. It did say it in conversation view, but when you vo/j on a message it read normally. I read hundreds of mail messages before upgrading to mavericks, and when you were focused on the text of a message with vo/j you were not interupted. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote: VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added. If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hmm vo j seems to work every time for me. I wonder why it’s different on some systems. Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 18 Dec 2013, at 2:56 am, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Robert, this is heartening, but since your experience on the list seems to be the exception rather than the rule, I think Apple Accessibility needs to let us know what the magic ingredient is to getting VO-J behaving 100% of the time in Mail as it used to. For now the work-around I'v employed is to press it 3 times quickly. Pressing it once works every so often. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 18/12/2013, at 4:44 am, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am using a 2012 retina MacBook Pro. When I am on the message list in mail and press vo+j, the body of the message is read immediately by VoiceOver. I do not experience any delay at all. Robert Carter On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:36 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly, and that's why I usually use vo-a as soon as the message opens. In Mavericks, this won't work since the message usually takes so long to load. The clicks don't anny me, and I appreciate them when reading text where something like an embedded address is detected. It is more that there are a bunch of extra clicks before the message is even read, and that reading said message takes so long. On Dec 17, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: The problem for me with pressing Return on a message instead of VO-J, is that the message subject and folder you're in is spoken first before the message itself. That adds up to a huge amount of extra verbiage when you read hundreds of messages a day. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 18/12/2013, at 2:26 am, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not say one row added in classic view or modern view. It did say it in conversation view, but when you vo/j on a message it read normally. I read hundreds of mail messages before upgrading to mavericks, and when you were focused on the text of a message with vo/j you were not interupted. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote: VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added. If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message
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Hi, You may want to check manually fetch mail, that is how I have it set because messages kept coming in and interrupting . Rhonda On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:04 PM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: when new mail comes in it will interput your reading and say ‘one row added’ has been doing this since the upgrade. On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:59 PM, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, When I am on the messages list and I press VO+J the text of the mail message starts reading immediately. If there is a link or something in the message that I need to activate, I simply down arrow to it. I have been reading mail this way at least since Lion and certainly in Mountain Lion. Mavericks works exactly the same with the way that I read mail that Mountain Lion did. Mavericks hasn’t broken anything for me. Apparently if it has broken things for others, you must be going about the reading of mail differently than how I am doing it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Hi there, I’m using vo j just fine in standard view. Sometimes, if it doesn’t work suddenly, restarting mail always solves the problem for me. I think it’s just a focus issue which this update hasn’t sorted out, but is probably wider than mail. On 18/12/2013, at 2:26 am, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not say one row added in classic view or modern view. It did say it in conversation view, but when you vo/j on a message it read normally. I read hundreds of mail messages before upgrading to mavericks, and when you were focused on the text of a message with vo/j you were not interupted. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote: VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added. If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Please tell meow you are reading mail in standard view? I just press enter on each message once they have been deleted. Is there another better way? I don’t do command J. Thanks. Kawal. On 17 Dec 2013, at 21:09, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: Like Robert, I am noticing no issues with mail in Mavericks. I am in standard view with preview pane turned on. I am interacting with the messages table and it all works really fine. I know some people prefer classic view and/or their preview pain turned off. Maybe this is the difference. I just wanted it to be known that Robert is not the only one with no issues, so it’s not unique to his system. I’m not saying there aren’t problems for others, but maybe the standard view/preview pane thing on is part of the answer? Lisette On 18/12/2013, at 6:59 am, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, When I am on the messages list and I press VO+J the text of the mail message starts reading immediately. If there is a link or something in the message that I need to activate, I simply down arrow to it. I have been reading mail this way at least since Lion and certainly in Mountain Lion. Mavericks works exactly the same with the way that I read mail that Mountain Lion did. Mavericks hasn’t broken anything for me. Apparently if it has broken things for others, you must be going about the reading of mail differently than how I am doing it. Robert Carter On Dec 17, 2013, at 11:51 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: that is my point. I can’t press vo/j to read mail anymore because of the one row added announcements that didn’t used to happen, and if you open it with enter or command o you aren’t in the text field to be able to interact you either have to vo down and interact with text, or use the item chooser. hope this makes sense. It is vo/j that is broken. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. when you press vo j to read a message, turn quick nav on and you should be able to interact with the text of the message. to select part of a message to copy and paste press enter on the message to open it. I hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Like Robert, I am noticing no issues with mail in Mavericks. I am in standard view with preview pane turned on. I am interacting with the messages table and it all works really fine. I know some people prefer classic view and/or their preview pain turned off. Maybe this is the difference. I just wanted it to be known that Robert is not the only one with no issues, so it’s not unique to his system. I’m not saying there aren’t problems for others, but maybe the standard view/preview pane thing on is part of the answer? Lisette On 18/12/2013, at 6:59 am, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, When I am on the messages list and I press VO+J the text of the mail message starts reading immediately. If there is a link or something in the message that I need to activate, I simply down arrow to it. I have been reading mail this way at least since Lion and certainly in Mountain Lion. Mavericks works exactly the same with the way that I read mail that Mountain Lion did. Mavericks hasn’t broken anything for me. Apparently if it has broken things for others, you must be going about the reading of mail differently than how I am doing it. Robert Carter On Dec 17, 2013, at 11:51 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: that is my point. I can’t press vo/j to read mail anymore because of the one row added announcements that didn’t used to happen, and if you open it with enter or command o you aren’t in the text field to be able to interact you either have to vo down and interact with text, or use the item chooser. hope this makes sense. It is vo/j that is broken. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. when you press vo j to read a message, turn quick nav on and you should be able to interact with the text of the message. to select part of a message to copy and paste press enter on the message to open it. I hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Hi Robert, Thanks for your tip on reading mail using VO-J. I am relatively new to the Mac and I have been using the enter key, but needed to use CMD-W to close the email and then use the backspace key to delete it. Your method to me is more efficient when reviewing a tremendous amount of emails. thanks again for the tip. Eileen On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:59 AM, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, When I am on the messages list and I press VO+J the text of the mail message starts reading immediately. If there is a link or something in the message that I need to activate, I simply down arrow to it. I have been reading mail this way at least since Lion and certainly in Mountain Lion. Mavericks works exactly the same with the way that I read mail that Mountain Lion did. Mavericks hasn’t broken anything for me. Apparently if it has broken things for others, you must be going about the reading of mail differently than how I am doing it. Robert Carter On Dec 17, 2013, at 11:51 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: that is my point. I can’t press vo/j to read mail anymore because of the one row added announcements that didn’t used to happen, and if you open it with enter or command o you aren’t in the text field to be able to interact you either have to vo down and interact with text, or use the item chooser. hope this makes sense. It is vo/j that is broken. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. when you press vo j to read a message, turn quick nav on and you should be able to interact with the text of the message. to select part of a message to copy and paste press enter on the message to open it. I hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Hi Robert, Are you using standard or classic view? And are you using threaded view or not? Mary Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Robert, Thanks for your tip on reading mail using VO-J. I am relatively new to the Mac and I have been using the enter key, but needed to use CMD-W to close the email and then use the backspace key to delete it. Your method to me is more efficient when reviewing a tremendous amount of emails. thanks again for the tip. Eileen On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:59 AM, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, When I am on the messages list and I press VO+J the text of the mail message starts reading immediately. If there is a link or something in the message that I need to activate, I simply down arrow to it. I have been reading mail this way at least since Lion and certainly in Mountain Lion. Mavericks works exactly the same with the way that I read mail that Mountain Lion did. Mavericks hasn’t broken anything for me. Apparently if it has broken things for others, you must be going about the reading of mail differently than how I am doing it. Robert Carter On Dec 17, 2013, at 11:51 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: that is my point. I can’t press vo/j to read mail anymore because of the one row added announcements that didn’t used to happen, and if you open it with enter or command o you aren’t in the text field to be able to interact you either have to vo down and interact with text, or use the item chooser. hope this makes sense. It is vo/j that is broken. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. when you press vo j to read a message, turn quick nav on and you should be able to interact with the text of the message. to select part of a message to copy and paste press enter on the message to open it. I hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
don’t think you can with gmail and imap. I checked that setting and I just get email anyway. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Rhonda Hornbacher rhondahornbac...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You may want to check manually fetch mail, that is how I have it set because messages kept coming in and interrupting . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
