RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
Yeah that data speed is goiong to be great if we get a chance to use it. But it really sounds like it’s about the cameras within the phones,m I think the jack removal is just setting them out ahead of others, It’s starting to change the way people will think about devices and audio, I do think they should go for a universal adaptor like USB C across the bord for all devices and make things usable everywhere. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2016 7:17 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven I saw the iPhone early but really couldn’t admit to that until the conference was over. That’s one reason I was calling people out so much because I held a charger / adapter combo so you could charge and have an 8th inch jack at the same time. You had Jonathan and others whipping people in to a frenzy for nothing. (well to generate blog traffic but what ever) Was very hard not to let it slip. Also get ready for 450 megabits to the handset. There’s a very very fast cellular modem included with even more frequency bands. On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se<mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote: Hi! I know but as a blind user you can not upgrade the firmware. Sadly. /A On 7 Sep 2016, at 10:14, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: Yes but the great thing about the bose devices is that unless things have changed in the past couple of months, With sighted assistance you can update firmware on those headphones, A friend of mine got the quiet comfort and he loves them But yeah look at possible firmware updates Cheers, Simon From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2016 9:20 AM To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven Hi! Yes i am intrested too. I just bought the greatest and latest from Bose called Quietcomfort 35 with noise cancelation. They are one of the best headphones i’ve used but sadly there is a small lag with the Iphone SE. Now i can not nor would i buy the Iphone 7 right now. /A On 5 Sep 2016, at 04:49, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased the legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand, it lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it in, it recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny. Anyway, no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the review. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today. Was going to post a review if there was any interest. On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: Did this 5220 replace your legend? Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220. I’m not sure if it’s the phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty snappy. On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices. If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between charges may not be that long. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org<http://mosen.org/> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue. Mary Sent from my iPh
RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
Well as of 2.5 hours from now the new toys will be available for pre order, At least here in NZ, The phone as stated on the presentation this morning, No phone jack, just lightening port and headphones now have the lightening connector rather than the 3.5 mm plug, But for us that have older phones, the adaptor is included, I gotta say I thought the phone sounded awesome but I wont at this point be getting one, But the earpods I’m starting to think keenly about. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2016 3:28 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven Hi Scott, As for the head phone jack, we will adapt to what ever apples new "design" brings so lets all wait and "see"! Why waist all that lead! ;) Just grab a 5 pound sledge hammer like hillary's staff uses to destroy ! :)Galaxy S5 & BlackBerry Smart phones"! Besides the hammer is reusable and you don't have to worry about reloading it! Hey Scott? you use to also hunt big game? BOW was my preference! Apples were involved but they were hanging on the trees with the "bucks" underneath! ;) Talk soon Chuck CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com<mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> www.SoundPictureRecording.com<http://www.SoundPictureRecording.com/> 954-742-0019 Isaiah 26 : 3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee. In GOD I Trust On Sep 7, 2016, at 8:43 AM, Scott Granados wrote: Yeah a 308 round is what the M60 shoots. This is a round capable of taking down a helicopter or advancing troops and you want to rabbit hunt with it.:) Bambi yes, deer would be perfect or elk or caribou but rabbits, not so much.. Come to visit the US and I’ll take you to shoot my M16 or the 308 Remington autoloader and you can put all the 223 or 308 you want down range.:) We can blow up some Galaxy S5 phones and piss off the folks on eyes-free and inclusive android.:) On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: Yeah but that 2 makes a hell of a mess of a rabbit, Before I lost my sight I saw a rabbit hit by a round from one of those, It couldn’t be found after it died, it disappeared in a bloody vaper, except the head which went flying. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2016 2:58 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven I have several 308’s (these would be 7.62 MM for our NATO friends). it’s an awful big round for a bunny rabbit. I think for a bunny either a 5 MM rim fired varmint round would be good or an air rifle. I have a .177 air rifle that is a rabbit / squirrel hunting machine. I bought my father one to protect his garden since he lives close to neighbors and a fire arm outside wouldn’t be appropriate that close to the houses. The bob cat behind his property has been filling up on fresh squirrel though from the garden protection effort. A 308 is much better suited for hunting things like deer, bear and Insurgent Taliban. On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with a 3008, The little bugger just exploes From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased the legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand, it lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it in, it recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny. Anyway, no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the review. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today. Was going to post a review if there was any interest. On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: Did this 5220 replace your legend? Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 4,
RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
It’s a longer story but not wanting to shoot rabbits, just the way it ended From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2016 12:44 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven Yeah a 308 round is what the M60 shoots. This is a round capable of taking down a helicopter or advancing troops and you want to rabbit hunt with it.:) Bambi yes, deer would be perfect or elk or caribou but rabbits, not so much.. Come to visit the US and I’ll take you to shoot my M16 or the 308 Remington autoloader and you can put all the 223 or 308 you want down range.:) We can blow up some Galaxy S5 phones and piss off the folks on eyes-free and inclusive android.:) On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: Yeah but that 2 makes a hell of a mess of a rabbit, Before I lost my sight I saw a rabbit hit by a round from one of those, It couldn’t be found after it died, it disappeared in a bloody vaper, except the head which went flying. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2016 2:58 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven I have several 308’s (these would be 7.62 MM for our NATO friends). it’s an awful big round for a bunny rabbit. I think for a bunny either a 5 MM rim fired varmint round would be good or an air rifle. I have a .177 air rifle that is a rabbit / squirrel hunting machine. I bought my father one to protect his garden since he lives close to neighbors and a fire arm outside wouldn’t be appropriate that close to the houses. The bob cat behind his property has been filling up on fresh squirrel though from the garden protection effort. A 308 is much better suited for hunting things like deer, bear and Insurgent Taliban. On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with a 3008, The little bugger just exploes From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased the legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand, it lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it in, it recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny. Anyway, no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the review. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today. Was going to post a review if there was any interest. On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: Did this 5220 replace your legend? Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220. I’m not sure if it’s the phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty snappy. On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices. If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between charges may not be that long. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org<http://mosen.org/> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>>
Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
I saw the iPhone early but really couldn’t admit to that until the conference was over. That’s one reason I was calling people out so much because I held a charger / adapter combo so you could charge and have an 8th inch jack at the same time. You had Jonathan and others whipping people in to a frenzy for nothing. (well to generate blog traffic but what ever) Was very hard not to let it slip. Also get ready for 450 megabits to the handset. There’s a very very fast cellular modem included with even more frequency bands. > On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote: > > Hi! > I know but as a blind user you can not upgrade the firmware. > Sadly. > /A >> On 7 Sep 2016, at 10:14, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com >> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: >> >> Yes but the great thing about the bose devices is that unless things have >> changed in the past couple of months, >> >> With sighted assistance you can update firmware on those headphones, >> >> A friend of mine got the quiet comfort and he loves them >> >> But yeah look at possible firmware updates >> >> Cheers, >> >> Simon >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg >> Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2016 9:20 AM >> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >> iPhone seven >> >> Hi! >> Yes i am intrested too. >> I just bought the greatest and latest from Bose called Quietcomfort 35 with >> noise cancelation. >> They are one of the best headphones i’ve used but sadly there is a small lag >> with the Iphone SE. >> Now i can not nor would i buy the Iphone 7 right now. >> /A >> On 5 Sep 2016, at 04:49, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new >> headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased the >> legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand, it >> lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it in, >> it recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny. >> Anyway, no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the review. >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net >> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: >> >> Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today. >> Was going to post a review if there was any interest. >> >> On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Did this 5220 replace your legend? >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net >> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: >> >> I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non >> existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220. I’m not sure if it’s >> the phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty >> snappy. >> >> On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >> >> Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has >> a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth >> 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the >> latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices. >> If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around >> of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where >> you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents >> progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between >> charges may not be that long. >> Jonathan Mosen >> Mosen Consulting >> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >> >> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >> <
Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
Hi! I know but as a blind user you can not upgrade the firmware. Sadly. /A > On 7 Sep 2016, at 10:14, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > Yes but the great thing about the bose devices is that unless things have > changed in the past couple of months, > > With sighted assistance you can update firmware on those headphones, > > A friend of mine got the quiet comfort and he loves them > > But yeah look at possible firmware updates > > Cheers, > > Simon > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg > Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2016 9:20 AM > To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> > Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the > iPhone seven > > Hi! > Yes i am intrested too. > I just bought the greatest and latest from Bose called Quietcomfort 35 with > noise cancelation. > They are one of the best headphones i’ve used but sadly there is a small lag > with the Iphone SE. > Now i can not nor would i buy the Iphone 7 right now. > /A > On 5 Sep 2016, at 04:49, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com > <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new > headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased the > legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand, it > lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it in, it > recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny. Anyway, > no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the review. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net > <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: > > Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today. > Was going to post a review if there was any interest. > > On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com > <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Did this 5220 replace your legend? > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net > <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: > > I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non > existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220. I’m not sure if it’s the > phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty > snappy. > > On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org > <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: > > Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has > a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth > 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the > latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices. > If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around > of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where > you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents > progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between > charges may not be that long. > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> > > On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com > <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone > jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net > <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote: > > Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 3.5MM > headphone in to a blue tooth set. They will sell it for 19.99 I believe. > > https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter > <https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter> > > This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at least > someone is trying. > > > > > Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in > > Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray > Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple T
Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
Hi Scott, As for the head phone jack, we will adapt to what ever apples new "design" brings so lets all wait and "see"! Why waist all that lead! ;) Just grab a 5 pound sledge hammer like hillary's staff uses to destroy ! :)Galaxy S5 & BlackBerry Smart phones"! Besides the hammer is reusable and you don't have to worry about reloading it! Hey Scott? you use to also hunt big game? BOW was my preference! Apples were involved but they were hanging on the trees with the "bucks" underneath! ;) Talk soon Chuck CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com 954-742-0019 Isaiah 26 : 3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee. In GOD I Trust On Sep 7, 2016, at 8:43 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > Yeah a 308 round is what the M60 shoots. This is a round capable of taking > down a helicopter or advancing troops and you want to rabbit hunt with it.:) > Bambi yes, deer would be perfect or elk or caribou but rabbits, not so much.. > Come to visit the US and I’ll take you to shoot my M16 or the 308 Remington > autoloader and you can put all the 223 or 308 you want down range.:) We can > blow up some Galaxy S5 phones and piss off the folks on eyes-free and > inclusive android.:) > > >> On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >> >> Yeah but that 2 makes a hell of a mess of a rabbit, >> >> Before I lost my sight I saw a rabbit hit by a round from one of those, >> >> It couldn’t be found after it died, it disappeared in a bloody vaper, >> except the head which went flying. >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados >> Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2016 2:58 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >> iPhone seven >> >> I have several 308’s (these would be 7.62 MM for our NATO friends). it’s >> an awful big round for a bunny rabbit. I think for a bunny either a 5 MM >> rim fired varmint round would be good or an air rifle. I have a .177 air >> rifle that is a rabbit / squirrel hunting machine. I bought my father one >> to protect his garden since he lives close to neighbors and a fire arm >> outside wouldn’t be appropriate that close to the houses. The bob cat >> behind his property has been filling up on fresh squirrel though from the >> garden protection effort. >> A 308 is much better suited for hunting things like deer, bear >> and Insurgent Taliban. >> >> >> On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >> >> That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with a 3008, >> The little bugger just exploes >> >> >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >> Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >> iPhone seven >> >> I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new >> headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased the >> legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand, it >> lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it in, >> it recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny. >> Anyway, no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the review. >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >> >> Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today. >> Was going to post a review if there was any interest. >> >> On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Did this 5220 replace your legend? >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >> >> I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non >> existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220. I’m not sure if it’s >> the phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty >> snappy. >> >> On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote: >> >> Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve
Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
I don’t think the QC headphones have upgradable firmware, at least mine don’t maybe that’s changed. They are great headphones though. Little heavy on the battery usage but the noise cancelation is fantastic. > On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:14 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > Yes but the great thing about the bose devices is that unless things have > changed in the past couple of months, > > With sighted assistance you can update firmware on those headphones, > > A friend of mine got the quiet comfort and he loves them > > But yeah look at possible firmware updates > > Cheers, > > Simon > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg > Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2016 9:20 AM > To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> > Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the > iPhone seven > > Hi! > Yes i am intrested too. > I just bought the greatest and latest from Bose called Quietcomfort 35 with > noise cancelation. > They are one of the best headphones i’ve used but sadly there is a small lag > with the Iphone SE. > Now i can not nor would i buy the Iphone 7 right now. > /A > On 5 Sep 2016, at 04:49, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com > <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new > headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased the > legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand, it > lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it in, it > recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny. Anyway, > no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the review. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net > <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: > > Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today. > Was going to post a review if there was any interest. > > On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com > <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Did this 5220 replace your legend? > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net > <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: > > I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non > existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220. I’m not sure if it’s the > phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty > snappy. > > On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org > <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: > > Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has > a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth > 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the > latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices. > If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around > of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where > you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents > progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between > charges may not be that long. > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> > > On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com > <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone > jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net > <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote: > > Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 3.5MM > headphone in to a blue tooth set. They will sell it for 19.99 I believe. > > https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter > <https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter> > > This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at least > someone is trying. > > > > > Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility fo
Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
Yeah a 308 round is what the M60 shoots. This is a round capable of taking down a helicopter or advancing troops and you want to rabbit hunt with it.:) Bambi yes, deer would be perfect or elk or caribou but rabbits, not so much.. Come to visit the US and I’ll take you to shoot my M16 or the 308 Remington autoloader and you can put all the 223 or 308 you want down range.:) We can blow up some Galaxy S5 phones and piss off the folks on eyes-free and inclusive android.:) > On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > Yeah but that 2 makes a hell of a mess of a rabbit, > > Before I lost my sight I saw a rabbit hit by a round from one of those, > > It couldn’t be found after it died, it disappeared in a bloody vaper, except > the head which went flying. > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Granados > Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2016 2:58 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the > iPhone seven > > I have several 308’s (these would be 7.62 MM for our NATO friends). it’s an > awful big round for a bunny rabbit. I think for a bunny either a 5 MM rim > fired varmint round would be good or an air rifle. I have a .177 air rifle > that is a rabbit / squirrel hunting machine. I bought my father one to > protect his garden since he lives close to neighbors and a fire arm outside > wouldn’t be appropriate that close to the houses. The bob cat behind his > property has been filling up on fresh squirrel though from the garden > protection effort. > A 308 is much better suited for hunting things like deer, bear > and Insurgent Taliban. > > > On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com > <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: > > That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with a 3008, > The little bugger just exploes > > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mary Otten > Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the > iPhone seven > > I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new > headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased the > legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand, it > lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it in, it > recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny. Anyway, > no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the review. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net > <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: > > Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today. > Was going to post a review if there was any interest. > > On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com > <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Did this 5220 replace your legend? > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net > <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: > > I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non > existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220. I’m not sure if it’s the > phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty > snappy. > > On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org > <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: > > Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has > a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth > 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the > latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices. > If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around > of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where > you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents > progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between > charges may not be that long. > Jonathan Mosen >
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Yes, this seems to be the top end device now. I have to say, mine is really growing on me. There’s a smoothness about it with my 6s+ running IOS 10 that’s missing in the legend. Weird stuff is gone like music starting randomly and the lag seems improved. Still there a little but no where near the lag of the edge for example. Siri also works very well and doesn’t cut off sometimes. It’s not a revolutionary update but it’s just a smoothing out of some of the few rough edges of the legend. Remember, I’m a very very picky bluetooth person so when I say rough edges most others would probably not even notice or care the things I’m talking about are very minimal differences but when you add them up the experience with the 5220 is just more enjoyable as a whole. > On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:16 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > So Scott, > > Has this taken over as the top of the Plantronics BT Headsets? > > I’m thinking of mone that will allow me to do both UC and standard BT > communications. > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Granados > Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2016 2:50 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the > iPhone seven > > Mary, for some reason the 5220 is over $50 cheaper than amazon in Best Buy > stores. Haven’t checked their web but in the store it self they were at a > deeper discount than you can get them online. Also make sure you are looking > at the right one. There’s a UC model for communications systems that I think > includes a dongle. You just want the base model. (non UC) > > Not sure if that helps. > > On Sep 5, 2016, at 12:12 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com > <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Well nuts. I just saw one Amazon wants for that headset, and it is expensive! > By the way, the protocol or whenever you want to call it that I have been > talking about isaptx. It's an alternative compression method. I just found > an article that's two years old, which is why am not bothering to link it. > I'm sure there must be more advanced more current articles that will tell > more about it and whether it's worth anything. But back to that 5220 headset. > I sought on Amazon for a whopping $180. I don't think so. I would love to > have something with the characteristics you described. But the price needs to > come down a bit. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 4, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net > <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: > > Nope, still have the legend. I have a pile of bluetooth headsets you could > open a phone store with.:) It seems snappier than the Legend. > > Another thing is the transitions from say handsfree to A2DP with voiceover > are much faster. > > > On Sep 4, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com > <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Did you try the Beta with your legend? Or did you get rid of the legend? > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net > <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: > > I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non > existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220. I’m not sure if it’s the > phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty > snappy. > > On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org > <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: > > Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has > a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth > 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the > latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices. > If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around > of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where > you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents > progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between > charges may not be that long. > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> > > On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com > <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > That wouldn't seem to address this problem at a
RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
Yes but the great thing about the bose devices is that unless things have changed in the past couple of months, With sighted assistance you can update firmware on those headphones, A friend of mine got the quiet comfort and he loves them But yeah look at possible firmware updates Cheers, Simon From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2016 9:20 AM To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven Hi! Yes i am intrested too. I just bought the greatest and latest from Bose called Quietcomfort 35 with noise cancelation. They are one of the best headphones i’ve used but sadly there is a small lag with the Iphone SE. Now i can not nor would i buy the Iphone 7 right now. /A On 5 Sep 2016, at 04:49, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased the legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand, it lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it in, it recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny. Anyway, no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the review. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today. Was going to post a review if there was any interest. On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: Did this 5220 replace your legend? Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220. I’m not sure if it’s the phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty snappy. On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices. If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between charges may not be that long. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org<http://mosen.org/> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net<mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote: Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set. They will sell it for 19.99 I believe. https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at least someone is trying. Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com<mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> wrote: A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both lightning port and 3.5mm jack. Take care 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>>: I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the l
RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
Yeah but that 2 makes a hell of a mess of a rabbit, Before I lost my sight I saw a rabbit hit by a round from one of those, It couldn’t be found after it died, it disappeared in a bloody vaper, except the head which went flying. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2016 2:58 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven I have several 308’s (these would be 7.62 MM for our NATO friends). it’s an awful big round for a bunny rabbit. I think for a bunny either a 5 MM rim fired varmint round would be good or an air rifle. I have a .177 air rifle that is a rabbit / squirrel hunting machine. I bought my father one to protect his garden since he lives close to neighbors and a fire arm outside wouldn’t be appropriate that close to the houses. The bob cat behind his property has been filling up on fresh squirrel though from the garden protection effort. A 308 is much better suited for hunting things like deer, bear and Insurgent Taliban. On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with a 3008, The little bugger just exploes From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased the legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand, it lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it in, it recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny. Anyway, no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the review. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today. Was going to post a review if there was any interest. On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: Did this 5220 replace your legend? Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220. I’m not sure if it’s the phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty snappy. On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices. If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between charges may not be that long. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org<http://mosen.org/> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net<mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote: Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set. They will sell it for 19.99 I believe. https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at least someone is trying. Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com<mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> wrote: A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who had a dummy adapter for later manufacture.
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So Scott, Has this taken over as the top of the Plantronics BT Headsets? I’m thinking of mone that will allow me to do both UC and standard BT communications. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2016 2:50 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven Mary, for some reason the 5220 is over $50 cheaper than amazon in Best Buy stores. Haven’t checked their web but in the store it self they were at a deeper discount than you can get them online. Also make sure you are looking at the right one. There’s a UC model for communications systems that I think includes a dongle. You just want the base model. (non UC) Not sure if that helps. On Sep 5, 2016, at 12:12 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: Well nuts. I just saw one Amazon wants for that headset, and it is expensive! By the way, the protocol or whenever you want to call it that I have been talking about isaptx. It's an alternative compression method. I just found an article that's two years old, which is why am not bothering to link it. I'm sure there must be more advanced more current articles that will tell more about it and whether it's worth anything. But back to that 5220 headset. I sought on Amazon for a whopping $180. I don't think so. I would love to have something with the characteristics you described. But the price needs to come down a bit. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 4, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: Nope, still have the legend. I have a pile of bluetooth headsets you could open a phone store with.:) It seems snappier than the Legend. Another thing is the transitions from say handsfree to A2DP with voiceover are much faster. On Sep 4, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: Did you try the Beta with your legend? Or did you get rid of the legend? Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220. I’m not sure if it’s the phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty snappy. On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices. If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between charges may not be that long. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org<http://mosen.org/> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net<mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote: Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set. They will sell it for 19.99 I believe. https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at least someone is trying. Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com<mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> wrote: A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both lightning port and 3.5mm jack. Take care 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>>: I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand.
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using USB-C on its iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it >>>>>>>>> doesn't even offer on its own personal computers, meaning you won't >>>>>>>>> be able to use the Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's >>>>>>>>> two sets of headphones you're going to have to carry around with you, >>>>>>>>> unless you don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the port you >>>>>>>>> want to charge your phone with. Absolutely absurd. >>>>>>>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads >>>>>>>>> mocking Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know >>>>>>>>> Apple has given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility >>>>>>>>> were more viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually >>>>>>>>> expires, I'm really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have >>>>>>>>> seen sense by then because there is certainly going to be a backlash. >>>>>>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>>>>>>> Mosen Consulting >>>>>>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>>>>>>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello Mary, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays >>>>>>>>>> an active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>>>>>>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives >>>>>>>>>> that companies pay attention. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically >>>>>>>>>> ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' >>>>>>>>>> accounts, I'm not so certain that just because it decides something >>>>>>>>>> it better will make it so. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it >>>>>>>>>> would change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my >>>>>>>>>> world hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to >>>>>>>>>> follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives >>>>>>>>>> of Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not >>>>>>>>>> when it follows." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. >>>>>>>>>> Fortunately for me, I no longer have the desire to run out and >>>>>>>>>> purchase the latest device just because it is the latest. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on >>>>>>>>>> the iPhone seven >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>>>>>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong
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gt; I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking >>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more viable >>> for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm really going >>> to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then because there is >>> certainly going to be a backlash. >>> Jonathan Mosen >>> Mosen Consulting >>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Mary, >>>> >>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >>>> companies pay attention. >>>> >>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous >>>> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so >>>> certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so. >>>> >>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would >>>> change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my world >>>> hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >>>> >>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to >>>> follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of >>>> Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it >>>> follows." >>>> >>>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately for >>>> me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device >>>> just because it is the latest. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>>> iPhone seven >>>> >>>> Hi Mark, >>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage >>>> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if >>>> the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with >>>> the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use >>>> other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect >>>> that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other >>>> device makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just >>>> Apple. In fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a >>>> headphone jack on the phone. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the >>>>> new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>>>> >>>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the >>>>> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to >>>>> its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, >>>>> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept >>>>> those features. >>>>> >>>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS >>>>> devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users >>>>> upon attaching the device to the computer, the marketpla
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d 3.5mm jack. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a >>>>>>>>> huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to >>>>>>>>> hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they >>>>>>>>> did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here >>>>>>>>> in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are >>>>>>>>> justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most >>>>>>>>> people don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that >>>>>>>>> the benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that >>>>>>>>> the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out. >>>>>>>>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, >>>>>>>>> because one thing that this process has taught me since I started >>>>>>>>> blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the >>>>>>>>> alarm at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was >>>>>>>>> naive to think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and >>>>>>>>> respectful of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing >>>>>>>>> impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we know what >>>>>>>>> impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be >>>>>>>>> sensitive to the needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect >>>>>>>>> us directly. But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and >>>>>>>>> I've found the whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it >>>>>>>>> seems like it's everyone for themselves these days, and if others are >>>>>>>>> being thrown under the bus, well too damn bad. >>>>>>>>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing >>>>>>>>> aid wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack >>>>>>>>> almost all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not >>>>>>>>> viable for someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even >>>>>>>>> if this were to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a >>>>>>>>> profound way and it's difficult to get through an entire business day >>>>>>>>> of use without the need to charge something. >>>>>>>>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't >>>>>>>>> then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most >>>>>>>>> senseless, selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever >>>>>>>>> done. This company, which parades their accessibility efforts like >>>>>>>>> some sort of badge of honour, appears to be about to crap all over >>>>>>>>> one segment of its accessibility market. >>>>>>>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. >>>>>>>>> And they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. >>>>>>>>> Perhaps, in time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and >>>>>>>>> receive carefully managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't >>>>>>>>> using USB-C on its iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it >>>>>>>>> doesn't even offer on its own personal computers, meaning you won't >>>>>>>>> be able to use the Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's >>>>>>>>> two sets of headphones you're going to have to carry around with you, >>>>>>>>> unless you don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the port you >>>>>>>>> want to charge your phone with. Absolutely absurd. >>>>>>>>> I belie
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gt;>> >>>>>>>> 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >>>>>>>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a >>>>>>>> huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to >>>>>>>> hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they >>>>>>>> did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here >>>>>>>> in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are >>>>>>>> justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people >>>>>>>> don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the >>>>>>>> benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the >>>>>>>> lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out. >>>>>>>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, >>>>>>>> because one thing that this process has taught me since I started >>>>>>>> blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the >>>>>>>> alarm at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was >>>>>>>> naive to think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and >>>>>>>> respectful of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing >>>>>>>> impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we know what impact >>>>>>>> inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to >>>>>>>> the needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. >>>>>>>> But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the >>>>>>>> whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's >>>>>>>> everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown >>>>>>>> under the bus, well too damn bad. >>>>>>>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing >>>>>>>> aid wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack >>>>>>>> almost all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not >>>>>>>> viable for someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even >>>>>>>> if this were to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a >>>>>>>> profound way and it's difficult to get through an entire business day >>>>>>>> of use without the need to charge something. >>>>>>>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't >>>>>>>> then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, >>>>>>>> selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This >>>>>>>> company, which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of >>>>>>>> badge of honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of >>>>>>>> its accessibility market. >>>>>>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And >>>>>>>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, >>>>>>>> in time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive >>>>>>>> carefully managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C >>>>>>>> on its iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even >>>>>>>> offer on its own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use >>>>>>>> the Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of >>>>>>>> headphones you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you >>>>>>>> don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to >>>>>>>> charge your phone with. Absolutely absurd. >>>>>>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking >>>>>>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>>>>>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility
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Not sure about Springfield, I’m more of a Remington auto loader or Sig Saur fan myself. Sig Saur makes the best version of the M16 in my opinion and has the highest rated 223 and 308 hunting rifles right now and has some fantastic AR models. Henry Repeating is another good one. > On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:21 AM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Ha! > a Springfield lover! :) > very dependable tool I must say!. > Long "bow" was preferred here for rabbits though! > A bit of a sporting chance Aah ? > Talk soon > Chuck > > On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with a 3008, >> The little bugger just exploes >> >> >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >> Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >> iPhone seven >> >> I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new >> headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased the >> legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand, it >> lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it in, >> it recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny. >> Anyway, no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the review. >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net >> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: >> >> Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today. >> Was going to post a review if there was any interest. >> >> On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Did this 5220 replace your legend? >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net >> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: >> >> I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non >> existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220. I’m not sure if it’s >> the phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty >> snappy. >> >> On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >> >> Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has >> a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth >> 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the >> latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices. >> If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around >> of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where >> you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents >> progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between >> charges may not be that long. >> Jonathan Mosen >> Mosen Consulting >> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >> >> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone >> jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue. >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net >> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote: >> >> Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 3.5MM >> headphone in to a blue tooth set. They will sell it for 19.99 I believe. >> >> https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter >> <https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter> >> >> This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at least >> someone is trying. >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in >> >>
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I have several 308’s (these would be 7.62 MM for our NATO friends). it’s an awful big round for a bunny rabbit. I think for a bunny either a 5 MM rim fired varmint round would be good or an air rifle. I have a .177 air rifle that is a rabbit / squirrel hunting machine. I bought my father one to protect his garden since he lives close to neighbors and a fire arm outside wouldn’t be appropriate that close to the houses. The bob cat behind his property has been filling up on fresh squirrel though from the garden protection effort. A 308 is much better suited for hunting things like deer, bear and Insurgent Taliban. > On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with a 3008, > The little bugger just exploes > > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mary Otten > Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the > iPhone seven > > I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new > headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased the > legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand, it > lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it in, it > recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny. Anyway, > no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the review. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net > <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: > > Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today. > Was going to post a review if there was any interest. > > On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com > <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Did this 5220 replace your legend? > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net > <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: > > I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non > existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220. I’m not sure if it’s the > phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty > snappy. > > On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org > <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: > > Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has > a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth > 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the > latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices. > If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around > of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where > you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents > progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between > charges may not be that long. > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> > > On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com > <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone > jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net > <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote: > > Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 3.5MM > headphone in to a blue tooth set. They will sell it for 19.99 I believe. > > https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter > <https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter> > > This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at least > someone is trying. > > > > > Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in > > Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray > Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! > > > On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com > <mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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its accessibility market. >>>>>>>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. >>>>>>>>> And they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. >>>>>>>>> Perhaps, in time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and >>>>>>>>> receive carefully managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't >>>>>>>>> using USB-C on its iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it >>>>>>>>> doesn't even offer on its own personal computers, meaning you won't >>>>>>>>> be able to use the Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's >>>>>>>>> two sets of headphones you're going to have to carry around with you, >>>>>>>>> unless you don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the port you >>>>>>>>> want to charge your phone with. Absolutely absurd. >>>>>>>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads >>>>>>>>> mocking Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know >>>>>>>>> Apple has given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility >>>>>>>>> were more viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually >>>>>>>>> expires, I'm really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have >>>>>>>>> seen sense by then because there is certainly going to be a backlash. >>>>>>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>>>>>>> Mosen Consulting >>>>>>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>>>>>>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello Mary, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays >>>>>>>>>> an active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>>>>>>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives >>>>>>>>>> that companies pay attention. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically >>>>>>>>>> ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' >>>>>>>>>> accounts, I'm not so certain that just because it decides something >>>>>>>>>> it better will make it so. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it >>>>>>>>>> would change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my >>>>>>>>>> world hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to >>>>>>>>>> follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives >>>>>>>>>> of Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not >>>>>>>>>> when it follows." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. >>>>>>>>>> Fortunately for me, I no longer have the desire to run out and >>>>>>>>>> purchase the latest device just because it is the latest. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >>>>>>>>>> To
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Ha! a Springfield lover! :) very dependable tool I must say!. Long "bow" was preferred here for rabbits though! A bit of a sporting chance Aah ? Talk soon Chuck On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with a 3008, > The little bugger just exploes > > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten > Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the > iPhone seven > > I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new > headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased the > legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand, it > lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it in, it > recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny. Anyway, > no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the review. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: > > Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today. > Was going to post a review if there was any interest. > > On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Did this 5220 replace your legend? > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: > > I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non > existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220. I’m not sure if it’s the > phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty > snappy. > > On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote: > > Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has > a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth > 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the > latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices. > If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around > of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where > you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents > progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between > charges may not be that long. > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org > > On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: > > That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone > jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote: > > Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 3.5MM > headphone in to a blue tooth set. They will sell it for 19.99 I believe. > > https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter > > This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at least > someone is trying. > > > > > Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in > > Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray > Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! > > > On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who had a > dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both lightning > port and 3.5mm jack. > > Take care > > > > 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org>: > > I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge > negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the > inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and > reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm > the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the > removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect > based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will > be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of > people to sit it out. > That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because
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Hi Mary, I’m running the public beta now and use my voyager edge and I find there is a fear bit of lagging between connection and audio working But I’m hoping there will be an update for the edge soon as well as the release for the IOS release From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 3:02 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven Did you try the Beta with your legend? Or did you get rid of the legend? Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220. I’m not sure if it’s the phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty snappy. On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices. If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between charges may not be that long. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org<http://mosen.org/> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net<mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote: Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set. They will sell it for 19.99 I believe. https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at least someone is trying. Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com<mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> wrote: A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both lightning port and 3.5mm jack. Take care 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>>: I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out. That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we know what impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown under the bus, well too damn bad. As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profoun
RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with a 3008, The little bugger just exploes From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased the legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand, it lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it in, it recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny. Anyway, no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the review. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today. Was going to post a review if there was any interest. On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: Did this 5220 replace your legend? Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220. I’m not sure if it’s the phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty snappy. On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices. If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between charges may not be that long. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org<http://mosen.org/> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net<mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote: Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set. They will sell it for 19.99 I believe. https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at least someone is trying. Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com<mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> wrote: A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both lightning port and 3.5mm jack. Take care 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>>: I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out. That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we know what impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the needs of other
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Interesting, I have one hell of a lag with my plantronix edge and ios 10 on my S+ The device pairs quickly enough but the audio through takes a hell of a long time if comes through at all. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 1:08 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220. I’m not sure if it’s the phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty snappy. On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices. If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between charges may not be that long. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org<http://mosen.org/> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net<mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote: Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set. They will sell it for 19.99 I believe. https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at least someone is trying. Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com<mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> wrote: A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both lightning port and 3.5mm jack. Take care 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>>: I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out. That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we know what impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown under the bus, well too damn bad. As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's difficult to get through an entire business day of use without the need to charge something. And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, selfish, stup
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>>>>> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a >>>>>>>> huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to >>>>>>>> hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they >>>>>>>> did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here >>>>>>>> in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are >>>>>>>> justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people >>>>>>>> don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the >>>>>>>> benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the >>>>>>>> lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out. >>>>>>>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, >>>>>>>> because one thing that this process has taught me since I started >>>>>>>> blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the >>>>>>>> alarm at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was >>>>>>>> naive to think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and >>>>>>>> respectful of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing >>>>>>>> impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we know what impact >>>>>>>> inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to >>>>>>>> the needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. >>>>>>>> But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the >>>>>>>> whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's >>>>>>>> everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown >>>>>>>> under the bus, well too damn bad. >>>>>>>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing >>>>>>>> aid wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack >>>>>>>> almost all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not >>>>>>>> viable for someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even >>>>>>>> if this were to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a >>>>>>>> profound way and it's difficult to get through an entire business day >>>>>>>> of use without the need to charge something. >>>>>>>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't >>>>>>>> then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, >>>>>>>> selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This >>>>>>>> company, which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of >>>>>>>> badge of honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of >>>>>>>> its accessibility market. >>>>>>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And >>>>>>>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, >>>>>>>> in time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive >>>>>>>> carefully managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C >>>>>>>> on its iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even >>>>>>>> offer on its own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use >>>>>>>> the Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of >>>>>>>> headphones you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you >>>>>>>> don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to >>>>>>>> charge your phone with. Absolutely absurd. >>>>>>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking >>>>>>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>>>>>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more >>>>>>>> viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm >>>>>>>> really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by >>>>>
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s leaked that the >>>>>>> benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the >>>>>>> lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out. >>>>>>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, >>>>>>> because one thing that this process has taught me since I started >>>>>>> blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm >>>>>>> at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was naive to >>>>>>> think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and respectful >>>>>>> of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired. I >>>>>>> guess I would like to think that since we know what impact >>>>>>> inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the >>>>>>> needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But >>>>>>> that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the >>>>>>> whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's >>>>>>> everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown >>>>>>> under the bus, well too damn bad. >>>>>>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid >>>>>>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost >>>>>>> all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for >>>>>>> someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were >>>>>>> to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way >>>>>>> and it's difficult to get through an entire business day of use without >>>>>>> the need to charge something. >>>>>>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't >>>>>>> then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, >>>>>>> selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This >>>>>>> company, which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of >>>>>>> badge of honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of >>>>>>> its accessibility market. >>>>>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And >>>>>>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, >>>>>>> in time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive >>>>>>> carefully managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C >>>>>>> on its iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even >>>>>>> offer on its own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use >>>>>>> the Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of >>>>>>> headphones you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you >>>>>>> don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge >>>>>>> your phone with. Absolutely absurd. >>>>>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking >>>>>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>>>>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more >>>>>>> viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm >>>>>>> really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then >>>>>>> because there is certainly going to be a backlash. >>>>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>>>>> Mosen Consulting >>>>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>>>>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello Mary, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>>>>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>>>>>> alternati
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tly. But that has proven a >>>>>> stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the whole thing really >>>>>> upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's everyone for themselves >>>>>> these days, and if others are being thrown under the bus, well too damn >>>>>> bad. >>>>>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid >>>>>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost >>>>>> all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for >>>>>> someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were >>>>>> to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and >>>>>> it's difficult to get through an entire business day of use without the >>>>>> need to charge something. >>>>>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't >>>>>> then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, >>>>>> selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This >>>>>> company, which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of >>>>>> badge of honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its >>>>>> accessibility market. >>>>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And >>>>>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in >>>>>> time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive >>>>>> carefully managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on >>>>>> its iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer >>>>>> on its own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use the >>>>>> Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones >>>>>> you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you don't mind >>>>>> having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge your phone >>>>>> with. Absolutely absurd. >>>>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking >>>>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>>>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more >>>>>> viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm >>>>>> really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then >>>>>> because there is certainly going to be a backlash. >>>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>>>> Mosen Consulting >>>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>>>> http://Mosen.org >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Mary, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>>>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>>>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >>>>>>> companies pay attention. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically >>>>>>> ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, >>>>>>> I'm not so certain that just because it decides something it better >>>>>>> will make it so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it >>>>>>> would change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my >>>>>>> world hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to >>>>>>> follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of >>>>>>> Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when >>>>>>> it follows." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately >>>>>>> for me, I no l
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d reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here >>>>>>>> in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are >>>>>>>> justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people >>>>>>>> don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the >>>>>>>> benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the >>>>>>>> lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out. >>>>>>>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, >>>>>>>> because one thing that this process has taught me since I started >>>>>>>> blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the >>>>>>>> alarm at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was >>>>>>>> naive to think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and >>>>>>>> respectful of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing >>>>>>>> impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we know what impact >>>>>>>> inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to >>>>>>>> the needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. >>>>>>>> But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the >>>>>>>> whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's >>>>>>>> everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown >>>>>>>> under the bus, well too damn bad. >>>>>>>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing >>>>>>>> aid wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack >>>>>>>> almost all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not >>>>>>>> viable for someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even >>>>>>>> if this were to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a >>>>>>>> profound way and it's difficult to get through an entire business day >>>>>>>> of use without the need to charge something. >>>>>>>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't >>>>>>>> then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, >>>>>>>> selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This >>>>>>>> company, which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of >>>>>>>> badge of honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of >>>>>>>> its accessibility market. >>>>>>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And >>>>>>>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, >>>>>>>> in time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive >>>>>>>> carefully managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C >>>>>>>> on its iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even >>>>>>>> offer on its own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use >>>>>>>> the Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of >>>>>>>> headphones you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you >>>>>>>> don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to >>>>>>>> charge your phone with. Absolutely absurd. >>>>>>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking >>>>>>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>>>>>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more >>>>>>>> viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm >>>>>>>> really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by >>>>>>>> then because there is certainly going to be a backlash. >>>>>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>>>>>> Mosen Consulting >>>>>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>>>>>> http://Mosen.org >>>>>>>> >>&g
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No matter how one might try to stretch this, there is absolutely no connection between the laws of nature which governs all and are absolute, or the man-made endeavors like Apple. The incredible truth is, we are but a speck in the vastness of the universe. And it terrifies some people. From E.T.'s Keyboard... Are We Alone in the Universe? ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 9/4/2016 6:44 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Actually, there’s no such universal law. In fact, current inflation theory postulates that the universe expands indefinitely and eventually just cools to absolute 0 once the stars have all burned out and the blackholes evaporated. New universes form in new bubbles in the same medium so think about bubbles in the bath as sort of an analogy you can get your head around to visualize roughly the life cycle. By the way, this monolith of a company that you find is so evil provides incomes and good livings for millions of people around the world. In just one plant where iPhones are made hundreds of thousands of employees produce the products we all enjoy. Apple, this evil company, hires the disabled at higher rates than most and even puts disabled people in customer facing rolls in their stores as well as all over the company. Many blind people on this list are lucky enough and smart enough to have been selected to work for this horrible organization. Now maybe a bunch of fat cats in Brussels would like to force their will on the Irish and dictate what they should tax but to me that’s evil bureaucracy impinging on free enterprise. If the Irish wish to Charge Apple 12% corporate tax then they should, as should we. I know the main landers and other parts of the UK are Jealous of our Irish friends who built the Silicon Valley of Europe in their country but as they say, T.S. Eliot, lower your own taxes if you want to win the business. This evil company that’s to big for it’s britches as you claim represents 25% based on current allocations of many people’s retirement funds do to it’s heavy distribution in mutual funds. This evil corporation takes it’s income and shares it with each stock holder thus each retirement fund holder and stock holder and so forth around the world in the form of a dividend. Many pension funds, government funds and even bank investments and large piles of government money is invested in Apple sharing in it’s success. Just look for example how much Apple CALPERS (California employees pension fund) owns. Lots of teachers, police officers, bus drivers, janitors, and any number of state employees have all benefitted from the Steves. So when you make these claims please make sure you also look at the other side. Apple is not an evil corporation. They do not unnecessarily mine data, they protect we US citizens from over reaches by our government and violation of our civil liberties, they promote diverse work environments, hire the disabled, support gender equality and all forms of equal treatment, they provide accessibility solutions across all products, expend considerable effort in environmental best practices and support tens of thousands of businesses around the world. There are corporations that I would consider Evil, the corporation to reelect Hillary being one but Apple is not evil. Tim Cook may be a lot of things but Evil is not one. On Sep 3, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Martin Brown <mbrown.bro...@gmail.com> wrote: Well said Jonathan. You are quite right to stand up and speak your mind on what is an important issue for people like yourself who have a hearing impairment. This is not something that impacts me personally, but thankfully I have that very human trait of being able to put myself in the shoes of those it does. Furthermore, I do not have any shares in the monolith we have all come to know as 'Apple,' and thus care not one jot for justifiable criticism of a company that has grown far too big for its boots. Such entities tend to treat individuals, societies and even whole countries and continents with contempt. They rather stupidly forget the universal law that nothing can expand for ever. So Jonathan, keep up the good work and let no one on this list or any other intimidate you out of speaking up for what you believe in. Best Wishes Martin -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 9:17 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven hi David, there is certainly some bullying and personal attack that goes on here, but sadly that's the nature of a lot of email lists. People think they can drown people out because they have nothing better to do than to post multiple messages that become increasingly personal as the flaws in their argument are exposed. Personal attack is
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ck of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out. >>>>>>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, >>>>>>> because one thing that this process has taught me since I started >>>>>>> blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm >>>>>>> at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was naive to >>>>>>> think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and respectful >>>>>>> of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired. I >>>>>>> guess I would like to think that since we know what impact >>>>>>> inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the >>>>>>> needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But >>>>>>> that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the >>>>>>> whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's >>>>>>> everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown >>>>>>> under the bus, well too damn bad. >>>>>>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid >>>>>>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost >>>>>>> all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for >>>>>>> someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were >>>>>>> to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way >>>>>>> and it's difficult to get through an entire business day of use without >>>>>>> the need to charge something. >>>>>>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't >>>>>>> then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, >>>>>>> selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This >>>>>>> company, which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of >>>>>>> badge of honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of >>>>>>> its accessibility market. >>>>>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And >>>>>>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, >>>>>>> in time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive >>>>>>> carefully managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C >>>>>>> on its iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even >>>>>>> offer on its own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use >>>>>>> the Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of >>>>>>> headphones you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you >>>>>>> don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge >>>>>>> your phone with. Absolutely absurd. >>>>>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking >>>>>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>>>>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more >>>>>>> viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm >>>>>>> really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then >>>>>>> because there is certainly going to be a backlash. >>>>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>>>>> Mosen Consulting >>>>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>>>>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello Mary, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>>>>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>>>>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >>>>>>>> companies pay attention. >>>>>>&g
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I thought it was the Samsung that used USB for their headsets. I remember something on my S5 but don’t remember the specifics. I thought there was either an adapter that provided the 3.5 or the included headset had a USB port on the end instead of a stereo jack. Been a couple years though so I don’t remember. > On Sep 2, 2016, at 6:05 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > Scott, > The samsungs do use micro USB for charging, > > Are you meaning that as a connection media for headphones? > > I have a feeling I’ve seen something like that in a phone recently. > Talking about Samsung, > > They just recalled all their note 7 devices due to some of them having burst > in to flames, > > Wonder what apple have got for a magic trick in the iPhone 7? > > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Granados > Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 12:29 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the > iPhone seven > > Mary, i could be way wrong here but I thought the Samsung S5 at least had a > usb port where you attached the headphones with an adapter. I could be > remembering wrong though. > > On Sep 1, 2016, at 11:26 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com > <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Samsung tried what? Samsung did not remove the headphone jack. They took away > the storage card slot. And they brought it back, because people complain. > They took away the user replaceable battery. They did not bring that back, > despite complaint. They do what they want. There is no immediately efficient > replacement for that storage card slot. Apple has never had one. People have > complained forever about the fact that it is harder to access the whole file > system on Apple devices. As Apple change that? No they have not. > > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 1, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com > <mailto:mightymaggie...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > There will definitely be a backlash, Samsung tried this and it was reversed. > The reason Apple is doing this is simple, money. > On 1 Sep. 2016, at 6:28 pm, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org > <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: > > I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge > negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the > inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and > reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm > the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the > removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect > based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will > be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of > people to sit it out. > That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because > one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about the > possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it may > have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people might > be any more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of others, > such as the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we > know what impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be > sensitive to the needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us > directly. But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found > the whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's > everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown under the > bus, well too damn bad. > As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid > wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all > the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone > who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve, > Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's difficult > to get through an entire business day of use without the need to charge > something. > And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then > charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, selfish, > stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, which > pa
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Ok Simon, now that’s funny! Well played sir. > On Sep 2, 2016, at 6:05 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > And that’s what she said! > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Granados > Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 12:31 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the > iPhone seven > > Um, money has nothing to do with this. > > What’s the real factors are size / thickness and durability. You can seal up > that lightning port against water and damage easily and it’s a thinner > package than a headphone jack so you can shave a millimeter or 2 from the > thickness which really is a big deal. You could also almost grow the case on > to the phone making it super durable with no joints. > > > On Sep 1, 2016, at 10:28 PM, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com > <mailto:mightymaggie...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > There will definitely be a backlash, Samsung tried this and it was reversed. > The reason Apple is doing this is simple, money. > On 1 Sep. 2016, at 6:28 pm, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org > <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: > > I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge > negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the > inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and > reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm > the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the > removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect > based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will > be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of > people to sit it out. > That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because > one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about the > possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it may > have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people might > be any more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of others, > such as the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we > know what impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be > sensitive to the needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us > directly. But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found > the whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's > everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown under the > bus, well too damn bad. > As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid > wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all > the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone > who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve, > Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's difficult > to get through an entire business day of use without the need to charge > something. > And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then > charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, selfish, > stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, which > parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of honour, > appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its accessibility market. > Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And > they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in > time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully > managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on its iDevices. > It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer on its own personal > computers, meaning you won't be able to use the Lightning-based Ear Pods even > with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones you're going to have to carry > around with you, unless you don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the > port you want to charge your phone with. Absolutely absurd. > I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking Apple > over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has given them a > great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more viable for daily use. > Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm
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Simon, you have a good point, next years phone is going to be a much bigger deal. It’s the 10 year release right? I’ll get a 7 just because why not. I sell off or give away the previous years phone so it’s usually a financial wash and doesn’t end up costing me anything. One great thing about Apple products is the resale value. iPhones do hold their value nicely. > On Sep 2, 2016, at 6:13 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > Hi Scott and others, > > As I've said I'm not a hearing impaired / aid user and I appreciate things > must be more difficult for you guys and girls in that area. > > However this is going to be a new device and can you tell me that when the > first iPhones came out that they catered for you guys first off with your > requirements? > > I can understand that hey a new device should contain these required > functions brought forward from the older device > But in life to go forward you often have to go backwards first. > > I would think that apple or should I say I hope apple are now looking at this > going shit, we've got a group of users now missing out. > > Less we forget all good things take time > > Apple have been very good with providing accessibility in their products and > I'd be very surprised if they weren't now trying to correct this oversight. > > But you still have options with the older devices still allowing for your > requirements > But lets face it I'm more interested in the next phone than the release next > week, > They will correct and add features to what comes out in 2017. > > sf > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Davert > Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 12:33 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the > iPhone seven > > Hello all. I'm going to address several messages at once on this thread. > Jonathan: you are 100% correct about the access issue for those of us who > wear hearing aids and who are blind. Sadly, the market is rarely designed wit > our needs being considered because, as you say, we're such a small minority. > And within that minority, how many of us are actively reading online articles > and tracking tech trends to even push this issue forward? I, too, have > utilized my contacts at Apple to try and make them aware of this issue. While > I doubt we will reverse hardware development, perhaps they will at least give > our user case some consideration and may figure out a way to address it. > Without going in to detail, it does seem that bluetooth audio in iOS 10 is a > bit less laggy, but we still have all of the other issues you mentioned > concerning battery life and so on. > Mike: regarding your question of Android accessibility, since I think it's > somewhat relevant to this discussion, my issue isn't so much with TalkBack, > but with BrailleBack. As someone who has taken to primarily accessing my > devices through braille displays, Android has a long long way to go in terms > of giving equal access to the operating system. > TalkBack has certainly come a long way, but BrailleBack has not. I have > passed along numerous bits of feedback to Google on this issue, and all the > responses are get are things like: then stick with iOS. > Now the standard response seems to be that since BrailleBack is open source, > Google expects someone else to solve their problems for them. > You can have decent braille access on Android if you wish to shell out a few > grand for a BrailleNote Touch which is already running an outdated version of > the OS, but this, too, has many limitations. > > Thanks for reading, > Scott > > On 9/2/16, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: >> Well, I've gotten rather into Android and Linux a lot lately, although >> I still use my iPhone for reading email until I can find a mod for my >> device that'll give me Android 6 or 7, so if Apple does something I >> don't like, I have options I can turn to. >> >> >> On 09/02/2016 04:06 AM, Portia Scott wrote: >>> Yes, it will be interesting to see, For me as well. I am not one of >>> those who buy the latest and greatest Devices right away anymore, >>> either. LOL. I used to be, but I have grown a lot, and learned not to >>> be like that anymore. As people say, only time will tell what happens. >>> >>> Take care, and have a wonderful day. >>> >>> Portia. >>>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:22 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I will be interested to see the headp
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the market, plays an >>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have alternatives >>> and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that companies pay >>> attention. >>> >>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous >>> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so >>> certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so. >>> >>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would >>> change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my world hasn't >>> changed one bit either with or without it. >>> >>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to follow >>> Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of Samsung >>> recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it follows." >>> >>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately for >>> me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device >>> just because it is the latest. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>> iPhone seven >>> >>> Hi Mark, >>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage >>> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the >>> other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the >>> new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use >>> other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect >>> that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other >>> device makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. >>> In fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack >>> on the phone. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the >>>> new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>>> >>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the >>>> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to >>>> its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, >>>> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept >>>> those features. >>>> >>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS >>>> devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users upon >>>> attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed >>>> to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in >>>> order to manage photos. >>>> >>>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature >>>> in the subsequent release of iTunes. >>>> >>>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something >>>> tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM >>>> To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List >>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>>> iPhone seven >>>> >>>> When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone jack first >&
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Actually, there’s no such universal law. In fact, current inflation theory postulates that the universe expands indefinitely and eventually just cools to absolute 0 once the stars have all burned out and the blackholes evaporated. New universes form in new bubbles in the same medium so think about bubbles in the bath as sort of an analogy you can get your head around to visualize roughly the life cycle. By the way, this monolith of a company that you find is so evil provides incomes and good livings for millions of people around the world. In just one plant where iPhones are made hundreds of thousands of employees produce the products we all enjoy. Apple, this evil company, hires the disabled at higher rates than most and even puts disabled people in customer facing rolls in their stores as well as all over the company. Many blind people on this list are lucky enough and smart enough to have been selected to work for this horrible organization. Now maybe a bunch of fat cats in Brussels would like to force their will on the Irish and dictate what they should tax but to me that’s evil bureaucracy impinging on free enterprise. If the Irish wish to Charge Apple 12% corporate tax then they should, as should we. I know the main landers and other parts of the UK are Jealous of our Irish friends who built the Silicon Valley of Europe in their country but as they say, T.S. Eliot, lower your own taxes if you want to win the business. This evil company that’s to big for it’s britches as you claim represents 25% based on current allocations of many people’s retirement funds do to it’s heavy distribution in mutual funds. This evil corporation takes it’s income and shares it with each stock holder thus each retirement fund holder and stock holder and so forth around the world in the form of a dividend. Many pension funds, government funds and even bank investments and large piles of government money is invested in Apple sharing in it’s success. Just look for example how much Apple CALPERS (California employees pension fund) owns. Lots of teachers, police officers, bus drivers, janitors, and any number of state employees have all benefitted from the Steves. So when you make these claims please make sure you also look at the other side. Apple is not an evil corporation. They do not unnecessarily mine data, they protect we US citizens from over reaches by our government and violation of our civil liberties, they promote diverse work environments, hire the disabled, support gender equality and all forms of equal treatment, they provide accessibility solutions across all products, expend considerable effort in environmental best practices and support tens of thousands of businesses around the world. There are corporations that I would consider Evil, the corporation to reelect Hillary being one but Apple is not evil. Tim Cook may be a lot of things but Evil is not one. > On Sep 3, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Martin Brown <mbrown.bro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well said Jonathan. You are quite right to stand up and speak your mind on > what is an important issue for people like yourself who have a hearing > impairment. This is not something that impacts me personally, but thankfully > I have that very human trait of being able to put myself in the shoes of > those it does. > > Furthermore, I do not have any shares in the monolith we have all come to > know as 'Apple,' and thus care not one jot for justifiable criticism of a > company that has grown far too big for its boots. Such entities tend to treat > individuals, societies and even whole countries and continents with contempt. > They rather stupidly forget the universal law that nothing can expand for > ever. > > So Jonathan, keep up the good work and let no one on this list or any other > intimidate you out of speaking up for what you believe in. > Best Wishes > Martin > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen > Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 9:17 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the > iPhone seven > > hi David, there is certainly some bullying and personal attack that goes on > here, but sadly that's the nature of a lot of email lists. People think they > can drown people out because they have nothing better to do than to post > multiple messages that become increasingly personal as the flaws in their > argument are exposed. Personal attack is always the resort of those whose > argument is weak. > What I will say to you though is that as you can see from the list, there are > a number of us who have been trying to make a difference, hopefully to fend > off a situation where w
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dphone jack will cause a lot of >>> people to sit it out. >>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because >>> one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about >>> the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it >>> may have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people >>> might be any more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of >>> others, such as the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that >>> since we know what impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we >>> would be sensitive to the needs of others, even when the issues didn't >>> affect us directly. But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and >>> I've found the whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems >>> like it's everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being >>> thrown under the bus, well too damn bad. >>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid >>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all >>> the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone >>> who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve, >>> Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's difficult >>> to get through an entire business day of use without the need to charge >>> something. >>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then >>> charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, selfish, >>> stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, which >>> parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of honour, >>> appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its accessibility >>> market. >>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And >>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in >>> time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully >>> managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on its >>> iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer on its >>> own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use the >>> Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones >>> you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you don't mind having >>> an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge your phone with. >>> Absolutely absurd. >>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking >>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more viable >>> for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm really going >>> to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then because there is >>> certainly going to be a backlash. >>> Jonathan Mosen >>> Mosen Consulting >>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Mary, >>>> >>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >>>> companies pay attention. >>>> >>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous >>>> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so >>>> certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so. >>>> >>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would >>>> change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my world >>>> hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >>>> >>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to >>>> follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of >>>> Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it >>>> follows." >>>> >>>> My personal position is to just s
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>>>>>> stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the whole thing really >>>>>> upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's everyone for themselves >>>>>> these days, and if others are being thrown under the bus, well too damn >>>>>> bad. >>>>>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid >>>>>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost >>>>>> all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for >>>>>> someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were >>>>>> to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and >>>>>> it's difficult to get through an entire business day of use without the >>>>>> need to charge something. >>>>>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't >>>>>> then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, >>>>>> selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This >>>>>> company, which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of >>>>>> badge of honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its >>>>>> accessibility market. >>>>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And >>>>>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in >>>>>> time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive >>>>>> carefully managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on >>>>>> its iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer >>>>>> on its own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use the >>>>>> Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones >>>>>> you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you don't mind >>>>>> having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge your phone >>>>>> with. Absolutely absurd. >>>>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking >>>>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>>>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more >>>>>> viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm >>>>>> really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then >>>>>> because there is certainly going to be a backlash. >>>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>>>> Mosen Consulting >>>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>>>> http://Mosen.org >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Mary, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>>>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>>>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >>>>>>> companies pay attention. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically >>>>>>> ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, >>>>>>> I'm not so certain that just because it decides something it better >>>>>>> will make it so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it >>>>>>> would change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my >>>>>>> world hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to >>>>>>> follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of >>>>>>> Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when >>>>>>> it follows." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately >>>>>>> for me, I no longer have the desire to ru
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t;>>>>> benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the >>>>>>> lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out. >>>>>>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, >>>>>>> because one thing that this process has taught me since I started >>>>>>> blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm >>>>>>> at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was naive to >>>>>>> think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and respectful >>>>>>> of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired. I >>>>>>> guess I would like to think that since we know what impact >>>>>>> inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the >>>>>>> needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But >>>>>>> that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the >>>>>>> whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's >>>>>>> everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown >>>>>>> under the bus, well too damn bad. >>>>>>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid >>>>>>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost >>>>>>> all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for >>>>>>> someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were >>>>>>> to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way >>>>>>> and it's difficult to get through an entire business day of use without >>>>>>> the need to charge something. >>>>>>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't >>>>>>> then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, >>>>>>> selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This >>>>>>> company, which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of >>>>>>> badge of honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of >>>>>>> its accessibility market. >>>>>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And >>>>>>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, >>>>>>> in time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive >>>>>>> carefully managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C >>>>>>> on its iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even >>>>>>> offer on its own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use >>>>>>> the Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of >>>>>>> headphones you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you >>>>>>> don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge >>>>>>> your phone with. Absolutely absurd. >>>>>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking >>>>>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>>>>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more >>>>>>> viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm >>>>>>> really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then >>>>>>> because there is certainly going to be a backlash. >>>>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>>>>> Mosen Consulting >>>>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>>>>> http://Mosen.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello Mary, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>>>>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>>>>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >>>>>>>>
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damn bad. >>>>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid >>>>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost >>>>> all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for >>>>> someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were >>>>> to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and >>>>> it's difficult to get through an entire business day of use without the >>>>> need to charge something. >>>>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then >>>>> charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, >>>>> selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, >>>>> which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of >>>>> honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its >>>>> accessibility market. >>>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And >>>>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in >>>>> time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully >>>>> managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on its >>>>> iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer on its >>>>> own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use the >>>>> Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones >>>>> you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you don't mind >>>>> having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge your phone >>>>> with. Absolutely absurd. >>>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking >>>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more >>>>> viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm >>>>> really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then >>>>> because there is certainly going to be a backlash. >>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>>> Mosen Consulting >>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>>> http://Mosen.org >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Mary, >>>>>> >>>>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >>>>>> companies pay attention. >>>>>> >>>>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically >>>>>> ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, >>>>>> I'm not so certain that just because it decides something it better will >>>>>> make it so. >>>>>> >>>>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it >>>>>> would change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my >>>>>> world hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to >>>>>> follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of >>>>>> Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when >>>>>> it follows." >>>>>> >>>>>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately >>>>>> for me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest >>>>>> device just because it is the latest. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re:
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have made a difference, is that I was naive to >>>>>> think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and respectful of >>>>>> the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired. I guess >>>>>> I would like to think that since we know what impact inaccessibility can >>>>>> have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the needs of others, >>>>>> even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But that has proven a >>>>>> stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the whole thing really >>>>>> upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's everyone for themselves >>>>>> these days, and if others are being thrown under the bus, well too damn >>>>>> bad. >>>>>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid >>>>>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost >>>>>> all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for >>>>>> someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were >>>>>> to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and >>>>>> it's difficult to get through an entire business day of use without the >>>>>> need to charge something. >>>>>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't >>>>>> then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, >>>>>> selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This >>>>>> company, which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of >>>>>> badge of honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its >>>>>> accessibility market. >>>>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And >>>>>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in >>>>>> time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive >>>>>> carefully managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on >>>>>> its iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer >>>>>> on its own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use the >>>>>> Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones >>>>>> you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you don't mind >>>>>> having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge your phone >>>>>> with. Absolutely absurd. >>>>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking >>>>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>>>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more >>>>>> viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm >>>>>> really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then >>>>>> because there is certainly going to be a backlash. >>>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>>>> Mosen Consulting >>>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>>>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Mary, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>>>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>>>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >>>>>>> companies pay attention. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically >>>>>>> ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, >>>>>>> I'm not so certain that just because it decides something it better >>>>>>> will make it so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it >>>>>>> would change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my >>>>>>> world hasn't c
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Hi! The only good thing i like about the watch is that i can have my phone on charge and be anywhere else in my apartment and answer calls and sms and such. Ok, i agree though that it would be more interesting when the watch itself can be used without the phone. One rumor i heard was that there is going to be a gps in the watch. But i don’t know how good or bad this will be for us blind. /A > On 1 Sep 2016, at 16:01, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: > > I've never really understood the point of the Apple watch, sure it can run > apps, but so what, my phone does that, and the watch requires a phone > connection to do most things anyway, totally redundant. > Original message: >> Hello Mary, > >> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have alternatives >> and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that companies pay >> attention. > >> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous >> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so >> certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so. > >> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would >> change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my world hasn't >> changed one bit either with or without it. > >> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to follow >> Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of Samsung >> recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it follows." > >> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately for >> me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device >> just because it is the latest. > >> Mark > >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >> iPhone seven > >> Hi Mark, >> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage >> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the >> other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the new >> phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use other >> headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the >> headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device >> makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In >> fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack on >> the phone. > > >> Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: > >>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the >>> new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. > >>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the >>> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to >>> its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, >>> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept >>> those features. > >>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS >>> devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users upon >>> attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed >>> to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in >>> order to manage photos. > >>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature >>> in the subsequent release of iTunes. > >>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something tells >>> me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). > >>> Mark > >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM >>> To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List >>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>> iPhone seven > >>> When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removi
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't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid >>>>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost >>>>> all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for >>>>> someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were >>>>> to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and >>>>> it's difficult to get through an entire business day of use without the >>>>> need to charge something. >>>>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then >>>>> charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, >>>>> selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, >>>>> which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of >>>>> honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its >>>>> accessibility market. >>>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And >>>>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in >>>>> time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully >>>>> managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on its >>>>> iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer on its >>>>> own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use the >>>>> Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones >>>>> you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you don't mind >>>>> having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge your phone >>>>> with. Absolutely absurd. >>>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking >>>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more >>>>> viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm >>>>> really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then >>>>> because there is certainly going to be a backlash. >>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>>> Mosen Consulting >>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>>> http://Mosen.org >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Mary, >>>>>> >>>>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >>>>>> companies pay attention. >>>>>> >>>>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically >>>>>> ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, >>>>>> I'm not so certain that just because it decides something it better will >>>>>> make it so. >>>>>> >>>>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it >>>>>> would change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my >>>>>> world hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to >>>>>> follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of >>>>>> Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when >>>>>> it follows." >>>>>> >>>>>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately >>>>>> for me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest >>>>>> device just because it is the latest. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue o
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gt;>> parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of honour, >>>> appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its accessibility >>>> market. >>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And >>>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in >>>> time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully >>>> managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on its >>>> iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer on its >>>> own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use the >>>> Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones >>>> you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you don't mind >>>> having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge your phone >>>> with. Absolutely absurd. >>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking >>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more >>>> viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm >>>> really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then >>>> because there is certainly going to be a backlash. >>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>> Mosen Consulting >>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>> http://Mosen.org >>>> >>>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello Mary, >>>>> >>>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >>>>> companies pay attention. >>>>> >>>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically >>>>> ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, >>>>> I'm not so certain that just because it decides something it better will >>>>> make it so. >>>>> >>>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would >>>>> change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my world >>>>> hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >>>>> >>>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to >>>>> follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of >>>>> Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it >>>>> follows." >>>>> >>>>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately for >>>>> me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device >>>>> just because it is the latest. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>>>> iPhone seven >>>>> >>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>>>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage >>>>> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if >>>>> the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with >>>>> the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to >>>>> use other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I >>>>> suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones >>>>> forever. Other device makers are already moving in this direction. So it >>>>> isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not be the first ones to market >>>>> without a headphone jack on the phone. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>
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ial lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more viable >>> for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm really going >>> to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then because there is >>> certainly going to be a backlash. >>> Jonathan Mosen >>> Mosen Consulting >>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>> http://Mosen.org >>> >>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Mary, >>>> >>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >>>> companies pay attention. >>>> >>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous >>>> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so >>>> certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so. >>>> >>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would >>>> change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my world >>>> hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >>>> >>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to >>>> follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of >>>> Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it >>>> follows." >>>> >>>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately for >>>> me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device >>>> just because it is the latest. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>>> iPhone seven >>>> >>>> Hi Mark, >>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage >>>> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if >>>> the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with >>>> the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use >>>> other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect >>>> that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other >>>> device makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just >>>> Apple. In fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a >>>> headphone jack on the phone. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the >>>>> new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>>>> >>>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the >>>>> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to >>>>> its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, >>>>> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept >>>>> those features. >>>>> >>>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS >>>>> devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users >>>>> upon attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and >>>>> vowed to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use >>>>> iTunes in order to manage photos. >>>>> >>>>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature >>>>> in the subsequent release of iTunes. >>>>> >>>>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unles
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t;> >>> Hello Mary, >>> >>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have alternatives >>> and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that companies pay >>> attention. >>> >>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous >>> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so >>> certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so. >>> >>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would >>> change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my world hasn't >>> changed one bit either with or without it. >>> >>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to follow >>> Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of Samsung >>> recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it follows." >>> >>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately for >>> me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device >>> just because it is the latest. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>> iPhone seven >>> >>> Hi Mark, >>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage >>> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the >>> other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the >>> new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use >>> other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect >>> that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other >>> device makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. >>> In fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack >>> on the phone. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the >>>> new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>>> >>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the >>>> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to >>>> its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, >>>> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept >>>> those features. >>>> >>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS >>>> devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users upon >>>> attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed >>>> to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in >>>> order to manage photos. >>>> >>>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature >>>> in the subsequent release of iTunes. >>>> >>>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something >>>> tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM >>>> To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List >>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>>> iPhone seven >>>> >>>> When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone jack first >>>> appeared I was certain they (Apple) was going to provide an adapter so >>>> potential customers would be able to use their existing earphones with the >>>> iPhone 7. This coming to light does not surp
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mosen.org/> >>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Mary, >>> >>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have alternatives >>> and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that companies pay >>> attention. >>> >>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous >>> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so >>> certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so. >>> >>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would >>> change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my world hasn't >>> changed one bit either with or without it. >>> >>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to follow >>> Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of Samsung >>> recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it follows." >>> >>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately for >>> me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device >>> just because it is the latest. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>> iPhone seven >>> >>> Hi Mark, >>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage >>> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the >>> other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the >>> new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use >>> other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect >>> that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other >>> device makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. >>> In fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack >>> on the phone. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the >>>> new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>>> >>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the >>>> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to >>>> its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, >>>> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept >>>> those features. >>>> >>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS >>>> devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users upon >>>> attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed >>>> to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in >>>> order to manage photos. >>>> >>>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature >>>> in the subsequent release of iTunes. >>>> >>>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something >>>> tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM >>>> To: MacV
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be so quick to follow >> Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of Samsung >> recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it follows." >> >> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately for >> me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device >> just because it is the latest. >> >> Mark >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >> iPhone seven >> >> Hi Mark, >> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage >> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the >> other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the new >> phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use other >> headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the >> headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device >> makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In >> fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack on >> the phone. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the >>> new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>> >>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the >>> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to >>> its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, >>> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept >>> those features. >>> >>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS >>> devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users upon >>> attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed >>> to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in >>> order to manage photos. >>> >>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature >>> in the subsequent release of iTunes. >>> >>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something tells >>> me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM >>> To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List >>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>> iPhone seven >>> >>> When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone jack first >>> appeared I was certain they (Apple) was going to provide an adapter so >>> potential customers would be able to use their existing earphones with the >>> iPhone 7. This coming to light does not surprise me in the least. >>> >>> - Bill & Leader Dog Holland >>> - "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure >>> they are going to have some pretty annoying virtues." >>> - Elizabeth Taylor, 20th Century Screen Actress, (1932-2011)-- >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries
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It’s good to express an opinion, calmly and with a little thought. What is not so good is that people on this list insult each other and treat each other as if there were a lot of kids on this list. May be some of you should grow up and let’s see what happens, not rumours but the facts. That’s the problem some silly website put rumours for some stupid people to get a B in their bonnet, and then we get silliness on here. At one time this list was wonderful but we’ve got some rude people on here. If anyone has any constructive stuff to say, say it or just leave it at that. Sorry, someone had to say this. If anyone has anything further to say after what I’ve written, please write to me privately or flame if you must if that’s what people on here like doing. Kawal. > On 3 Sep 2016, at 14:16, Martin Brown <mbrown.bro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well said Jonathan. You are quite right to stand up and speak your mind on > what is an important issue for people like yourself who have a hearing > impairment. This is not something that impacts me personally, but thankfully > I have that very human trait of being able to put myself in the shoes of > those it does. > > Furthermore, I do not have any shares in the monolith we have all come to > know as 'Apple,' and thus care not one jot for justifiable criticism of a > company that has grown far too big for its boots. Such entities tend to treat > individuals, societies and even whole countries and continents with contempt. > They rather stupidly forget the universal law that nothing can expand for > ever. > > So Jonathan, keep up the good work and let no one on this list or any other > intimidate you out of speaking up for what you believe in. > Best Wishes > Martin > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen > Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 9:17 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the > iPhone seven > > hi David, there is certainly some bullying and personal attack that goes on > here, but sadly that's the nature of a lot of email lists. People think they > can drown people out because they have nothing better to do than to post > multiple messages that become increasingly personal as the flaws in their > argument are exposed. Personal attack is always the resort of those whose > argument is weak. > What I will say to you though is that as you can see from the list, there are > a number of us who have been trying to make a difference, hopefully to fend > off a situation where we have to wait some time before our use case is > addressed. I hope very much we've succeeded. If not, we keep going. > It was interesting to read a piece yesterday that backed up something I said > on my own blog earlier this year. I feel sure that Apple has leaked the > information about the lack of a headphone jack deliberately. They know it's a > contentious issue, even among those who don't get their entire screen output > via it as we do. They're hoping that by letting it leak, the majority of the > anger will have subsided by release time. After all, it's an unusual > situation where the thing most people are talking about is actually the > removal of something, not a great new feature. > Apple do miscalculate from time to time and it's possible they have done so > this time. Even if that proves not to be the case, Apple must obey the law > like everyone else, and there is legislation like section 255 of the US > Telecommunications Act that may make legal action possible if Apple makes > things less accessible for a vulnerable group of users. Each country also has > its own legislation. > In the end, what people say on this list makes not a scrap of difference and > I've been focussing my energies on preparing for what I can do if we as blind > hearing aid wearers can't use VO and charge our devices at the same time. I > spoke up because I knew that there would be people here who were intimidated > by some of the dismissive language, and I'm glad it's made you feel like you > have people who get your needs. > > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org > > > On 3/09/2016, at 6:24 AM, David Griffith <daj.griff...@gmail.com > <mailto:daj.griff...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I believe this is the arrogrant person who described me as a troll > because I tried to represent the issues of hearing impaired issues so I am > not at all surprised by the ignorance and callousness of this reply to > Jonathon. > > > > >
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Well said Jonathan. You are quite right to stand up and speak your mind on what is an important issue for people like yourself who have a hearing impairment. This is not something that impacts me personally, but thankfully I have that very human trait of being able to put myself in the shoes of those it does. Furthermore, I do not have any shares in the monolith we have all come to know as 'Apple,' and thus care not one jot for justifiable criticism of a company that has grown far too big for its boots. Such entities tend to treat individuals, societies and even whole countries and continents with contempt. They rather stupidly forget the universal law that nothing can expand for ever. So Jonathan, keep up the good work and let no one on this list or any other intimidate you out of speaking up for what you believe in. Best Wishes Martin -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 9:17 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven hi David, there is certainly some bullying and personal attack that goes on here, but sadly that's the nature of a lot of email lists. People think they can drown people out because they have nothing better to do than to post multiple messages that become increasingly personal as the flaws in their argument are exposed. Personal attack is always the resort of those whose argument is weak. What I will say to you though is that as you can see from the list, there are a number of us who have been trying to make a difference, hopefully to fend off a situation where we have to wait some time before our use case is addressed. I hope very much we've succeeded. If not, we keep going. It was interesting to read a piece yesterday that backed up something I said on my own blog earlier this year. I feel sure that Apple has leaked the information about the lack of a headphone jack deliberately. They know it's a contentious issue, even among those who don't get their entire screen output via it as we do. They're hoping that by letting it leak, the majority of the anger will have subsided by release time. After all, it's an unusual situation where the thing most people are talking about is actually the removal of something, not a great new feature. Apple do miscalculate from time to time and it's possible they have done so this time. Even if that proves not to be the case, Apple must obey the law like everyone else, and there is legislation like section 255 of the US Telecommunications Act that may make legal action possible if Apple makes things less accessible for a vulnerable group of users. Each country also has its own legislation. In the end, what people say on this list makes not a scrap of difference and I've been focussing my energies on preparing for what I can do if we as blind hearing aid wearers can't use VO and charge our devices at the same time. I spoke up because I knew that there would be people here who were intimidated by some of the dismissive language, and I'm glad it's made you feel like you have people who get your needs. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 3/09/2016, at 6:24 AM, David Griffith <daj.griff...@gmail.com <mailto:daj.griff...@gmail.com> > wrote: I believe this is the arrogrant person who described me as a troll because I tried to represent the issues of hearing impaired issues so I am not at all surprised by the ignorance and callousness of this reply to Jonathon. Heaven help us if this is how members of our community turn of on deaf users. David Griffith On 02/09/2016 13:35, Scott Granados wrote: Jonathan, now you’re just writing stuff to read it later, that’s just nutty. You make it like some huge personal assault against the great and mighty Jonathan Mosen, please, we’ve seen an adapter is going to exist so you have your precious 1960s technology. In the end, probably 3 people are going to care about this issue over all and all 3 are on this list.:) The average consumer doesn’t care what shape or size plug they use as long as when they plug it in the little light goes on and stuff works. On Sep 1, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org> > wrote: Keep fighting the good fight David. This is far too important an issue to give up. Our money is as good as anyone else's and we must never give up advocating for recognition of our need to be able to use our devices with efficiency and privacy while also charging them. If it turns out that this need has been met, the
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d one bit either with or without it. >> >> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to follow >> Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of Samsung >> recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it follows." >> >> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately for >> me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device >> just because it is the latest. >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >> iPhone seven >> >> Hi Mark, >> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage >> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the >> other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the new >> phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use other >> headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the >> headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device >> makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In >> fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack on >> the phone. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>> >>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the >>> new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>> >>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the >>> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to >>> its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, >>> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept >>> those features. >>> >>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS >>> devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users upon >>> attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed >>> to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in >>> order to manage photos. >>> >>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature >>> in the subsequent release of iTunes. >>> >>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something tells >>> me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM >>> To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List >>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>> iPhone seven >>> >>> When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone jack first >>> appeared I was certain they (Apple) was going to provide an adapter so >>> potential customers would be able to use their existing earphones with the >>> iPhone 7. This coming to light does not surprise me in the least. >>> >>> - Bill & Leader Dog Holland >>> - "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure >>> they are going to have some pretty annoying virtues." >>> - Elizabeth Taylor, 20th Century Screen Actress, (1932-2011)-- >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>>
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Hell Scott, I can’t drink beer anymore, it gives me the shits, but hells teeth I’ll knock a cyder or couple of bottles of wine back! Now what was it we were discussing nice and calmly on this list? From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 7:08 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven WTF is an arrogrent? Is that like a loud Mexican a loud immigrant? My mother had a bunch of them move in across the street, loud parties but man the best bbq. That being said, yes, you were being a troll then and I’m sorry to say you’re still under the bridge. You’re all bitching over a product that doesn’t exist yet. We already know that an adapter is being provided but that’s not good enough. We’re all supposed to hold up civilization because you won’t use a quarter inch piece. We’re not fighting for civil rights, we’re not fighting over whether people are being killed in the streets by police gone mad, we’re fighting over the fact you might have to use a small plastic piece. I’m just calling you and Jonathan out for the ridiculousness of A. bitching about something that’s not out yet and B. about such a trivial issue . I respect Jonathan a great deal and will tell him if I disagree with his positions and in this case I do. They are well presented but I think a decent means of access is being provided that doesn’t injure the deaf blind user community so there’s a non issue. I’m sorry if that gets your panties in a wad but there it is. I think his points were off base but that’s me. I think Jonathan is a very smart well spoken and well informed person who can defend himself if he feels the need. I realize under the bridge it might be hard to hear down there but the point is while I vigorously disagree with his points and assertions I most certainly am not saying he doesn’t have the right to his opinion and even go so far as to say I respect where that opinion is coming from I just disagree. So what ever invisible man in the sky you believe in help us if we don’t agree and fall in to your little troll shaped mold! I’d rather live in a world where we can all hash it out, beat around our ideas and have a beer after, some of you are so thin skinned, so literal and so brainwashed it makes me sad. On Sep 2, 2016, at 2:24 PM, David Griffith <daj.griff...@gmail.com<mailto:daj.griff...@gmail.com>> wrote: I believe this is the arrogrant person who described me as a troll because I tried to represent the issues of hearing impaired issues so I am not at all surprised by the ignorance and callousness of this reply to Jonathon. Heaven help us if this is how members of our community turn of on deaf users. David Griffith On 02/09/2016 13:35, Scott Granados wrote: Jonathan, now you’re just writing stuff to read it later, that’s just nutty. You make it like some huge personal assault against the great and mighty Jonathan Mosen, please, we’ve seen an adapter is going to exist so you have your precious 1960s technology. In the end, probably 3 people are going to care about this issue over all and all 3 are on this list.:) The average consumer doesn’t care what shape or size plug they use as long as when they plug it in the little light goes on and stuff works. On Sep 1, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: Keep fighting the good fight David. This is far too important an issue to give up. Our money is as good as anyone else's and we must never give up advocating for recognition of our need to be able to use our devices with efficiency and privacy while also charging them. If it turns out that this need has been met, then it will in part be due to courageous people like you who have spoken up. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org<http://mosen.org/> On 2/09/2016, at 11:05 AM, David Griffith <daj.griff...@gmail.com<mailto:daj.griff...@gmail.com>> wrote: As another deaf iPhone user I agree with everything you say but I htink you will probably not get that much understanding. I tried to explain on this list about how a wired headset was essential for me but was accused bizarrely of being a troll because I dared to criticise an Apple innovation. This did cause another another poster to comment that ironically some people are deaf to the concerns of those of with hearing impairments. David Griffith On 01/09/2016 20:07, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Hi Mary, unfortunately this issue doesn't affect the Deaf community in the same way as it affects blind people who wear hearing aids and require decent latency. And the fact that those of us who are affected are such a minority makes us more vulnerable. You can be sure I am considerin
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No. Life is a bowl of cherries. From E.T.'s Keyboard... Are We Alone in the Universe? ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 9/2/2016 4:14 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Life is like a box of chocolates. Shit melts everywhere in the sun! -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 10:34 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven What's really important is that I phone home and am saved. The loss of a headphone jack is a non-issue for me because I will continue to use it. I am not bloody well needing to buy a 7. So even though I am hearing impaired and need the jack, I also know once the 7 has been released, there will be solutions, either from Apple or aftermarket. So I truly fail to understand the the flap. Maybe I see a conspiracy here but this sure got some people royally worked up. And its not even full moon, just new moon. Now I am going to call home and get some eats. And peace. From E.T.'s Keyboard... Are We Alone in the Universe? ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 9/2/2016 3:17 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: ET, It's ok for you, You can just phone home and get the other ETs and Elliott to come get you, these guys wont be able to hear the phone ringing! I love people telling me I need to be saved because the world is going to end. If it's going to end, why save me? Sorry shouldn't laugh, it's possibly a really important issue -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 2:13 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven The end is coming, the end is coming! Ever see those signs people carry around? And everyone who comes to my door tell me the same thing and they want to let me know what to do. Really? Why is it that people cannot stay focused on the here and now and get the most out of life right now? When I start talking sense to these door knockers, they run like hell. All this talk about the future is madness. Don't yall have a life? From E.T.'s Keyboard... Are We Alone in the Universe? ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 9/2/2016 1:42 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi Folks, Just going to add a thought in here. Any one thought about the future and what's going to happen in it? If everyones getting upset because apple have made the first move towards getting rid of the headphone jack in devices then what the hell is going to happen next, Well if this feedback we're reading is anything to go by the world for blind people will end! Remember things change for the good and the bad in life, But what ever happens the majority of people work on and get over the bridges that spring up in front of us. Till now I prefer headphones with the 3.5 mil jack as they're small and easy to put in a pocket to carry around, If I have to put an adaptor in my pocket or bag or what ever then I'm going to have to do it. But lets face it we don't really know what apple will do till they do it and they may have a really genius idea as a replacement for the headphones we've had up till now. Which I have to admit I have about 6 pair never used sitting in a box of extras so at least at this point I've got spares for my notebook and ipad till they change also. And they could change things again yet to USB C Just thinking out of the box, Try thinking about now and not about tomorrow, you might not make it, no one can actually tell. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 2:06 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven Adding one tiny bit of gear to carry around is going to be a giant issue? Good grief. I wonder how much impact that will have on me when I lug around 15-20 pounds of gear on a regular basis. This little adapter just might be the straw that breaks my back. (smiles) From E.T.'s Keyboard... Are We Alone in the Universe? ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 9/1/2016 6:08 AM, Kimber Gardner wrote: You're sort of missing the point, I think. The point being that most people (me included) don't think they should have to carry extra bits around to do something as basic as plug in a set of earphones. On 9/1/16, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote: Hi. I use Bluetooth stereo headphones so this new revelation doesn’t effect me. I wouldn’t even carry an adaptor around with me because I’m not one for carrying extra bits around just to accomplish a simple task like wanting to plug your headphones in. On 31 Aug 2016, at 13:29, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com>
Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
Oh it probably will come. Frankly, I'm not in that much of a rush. As I said, I haven't seen the killer use case that would make me go out and spend a few hundred more bucks. But when the next one comes out, I hope to find a detailed review somewhere with a slant towards what is accessible, which is hopefully most things if not all. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 2, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > Hi Mary, > > > Like anything it will take time to get everything to work as one with good > battery life. > > But it will come. > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten > Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 4:59 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the > iPhone seven > > I saw the rumors about the LTE coming to the watch. Then subsequently, there > were other ones saying it wasn't going to happen because of the battery draw. > They're adding a GPS. That will use the larger battery that is supposedly > also coming. But not enough juice for both the GPS and the radio according to > the rumors. Rumors, rumors, rumors. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 2, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >> >> Mary, there are some watches now that have this feature that simon speaks >> of. You’re exactly right a radio would need to be included. For the watch, >> not necessarily full LTE but HSPA+ or something may do the trick. The >> Samsung Gear had a 3G radio included and I’m not sure what’s in the Gear S2. >> With a Samsung you could run the watch totally separate from the phone. >> I personally think this is an over rated feature unless you’re like simon >> and want a watch only for a phone and no other device. I like the larger >> devices so would always use my phone near my watch so all I care about is a >> good bluetooth and WiFi stack on the watch. I’d like to see the 5 GHZ band >> added to the watch and the ability to set the WiFi settings separately with >> advanced features. There were rumblings of adding a full cell feature to >> the apple watch but I don’t know if that was included in the upcoming >> release. >> >>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Simon, >>> What good is a Sim card slot if you don't have an LTE radio in the watch? >>> According to all the rumors, and of course they are just that, there's not >>> going to be an LTE radio in the next watch. >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:53 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I also have this watch and the only thing I have against it is I forget to >>>> set it in meetings to not ring if I get a call. >>>> >>>> I'd really like to see a new version have a sim card slot so I could use >>>> the watch as an independent device without the phone. >>>> Or even you get both options. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher >>>> hallsworth >>>> Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 6:20 AM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>>> iPhone seven >>>> >>>> Hi Mary >>>> >>>> I have the Apple Watch Sport myself and like it a lot. Yes, watchOS 3.0 >>>> will have some great new accessibility features, but for now you can turn >>>> a setting off that wakes the screen when you raise your wrist. I have done >>>> this, and the watch no longer interrupts my daily living. I can dine for >>>> example and the watch will not go off. The setting can be found under >>>> general > wake screen. >>>>> On 1 Sep 2016, at 17:50, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I guess I'm still with the folks who haven't really seen the utility, or >>>>> at least the really over whelming use case for having the watch. Perhaps >>>>> the next iteration will change my mind. Admittedly one reason for my >>>>> reluctance on this score has been the fact that I am probably one of the >>>>> few
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;>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>>>>>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>>>>>>>>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the >>>>>>>>>> storage card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable >>>>>>>>>> battery. Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple will be including >>>>>>>>>> compatible earbuds with the new phone, as well as an adapter to make >>>>>>>>>> it possible for people to use other headphones. Given the prevalence >>>>>>>>>> of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the headphone jack will in >>>>>>>>>> fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device makers are already >>>>>>>>>> moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In fact, they will >>>>>>>>>> not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack on the >>>>>>>>>> phone. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market >>>>>>>>>>> accepts the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing >>>>>>>>>>> the removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary >>>>>>>>>>> memory to its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the >>>>>>>>>>> market, effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other >>>>>>>>>>> companies who kept those features. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for >>>>>>>>>>> iOS devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC >>>>>>>>>>> users upon attaching the device to the computer, the >>>>>>>>>>> marketplace went crazy and vowed to >>>>>>>>>>> turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes >>>>>>>>>>> in order to manage photos. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this >>>>>>>>>>> feature in the >>>>>>>>>>> subsequent release of iTunes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, >>>>>>>>>>> something tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM >>>>>>>>>>> To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue >>>>>>>>>>> on the iPhone seven >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone jack >>>>>>>>>>> first appeared I was certain they (Apple) was going to provide an >>>>>>>>>>> adapter so potential customers would be able to use their existing >>>>>>>>>>> earphones with the iPhone 7. This coming to light does n
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could be a screen. Not >>>>>>>>> needing ports is a good thing over all. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>>>>>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about >>>>>>>>>> the disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put >>>>>>>>>> back the storage card thing, but did not put back the user >>>>>>>>>> replaceable battery. Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple >>>>>>>>>> will be including compatible earbuds with the new phone, as >>>>>>>>>> well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use other >>>>>>>>>> headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I >>>>>>>>>> suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from >>>>>>>>>> iPhones forever. Other device makers are already moving in this >>>>>>>>>> direction. So it isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not be >>>>>>>>>> the first ones to market without a headphone jack on the phone. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market >>>>>>>>>>> accepts the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) >>>>>>>>>>> removing the removable battery and (2) removing the ability to >>>>>>>>>>> add auxiliary memory to its flagship phones, it soon reversed >>>>>>>>>>> its decision as the market, effectively, rejected the devices >>>>>>>>>>> in favor of other companies who kept those features. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the >>>>>>>>>>> ability for iOS devices to have their photo content >>>>>>>>>>> immediately available to PC users upon attaching the device to >>>>>>>>>>> the computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed to turn to >>>>>>>>>>> Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in >>>>>>>>>>> order to manage photos. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring >>>>>>>>>>> this feature in the subsequent release of iTunes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, >>>>>>>>>>> something tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back >>>>>>>>>>> (smile). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM >>>>>>>>>>> To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack >>>>>>>>>>> issue on the iPhone seven >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone
RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
Life is like a box of chocolates. Shit melts everywhere in the sun! -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 10:34 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven What's really important is that I phone home and am saved. The loss of a headphone jack is a non-issue for me because I will continue to use it. I am not bloody well needing to buy a 7. So even though I am hearing impaired and need the jack, I also know once the 7 has been released, there will be solutions, either from Apple or aftermarket. So I truly fail to understand the the flap. Maybe I see a conspiracy here but this sure got some people royally worked up. And its not even full moon, just new moon. Now I am going to call home and get some eats. And peace. From E.T.'s Keyboard... Are We Alone in the Universe? ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 9/2/2016 3:17 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > ET, > > It's ok for you, > You can just phone home and get the other ETs and Elliott to come get you, > these guys wont be able to hear the phone ringing! > > I love people telling me I need to be saved because the world is going to > end. > > If it's going to end, why save me? > > Sorry shouldn't laugh, it's possibly a really important issue > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. > Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 2:13 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on > the iPhone seven > > The end is coming, the end is coming! Ever see those signs people carry > around? And everyone who comes to my door tell me the same thing and they > want to let me know what to do. Really? Why is it that people cannot stay > focused on the here and now and get the most out of life right now? When I > start talking sense to these door knockers, they run like hell. > > All this talk about the future is madness. Don't yall have a life? > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... >Are We Alone in the Universe? > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > > On 9/2/2016 1:42 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> Hi Folks, >> Just going to add a thought in here. >> >> Any one thought about the future and what's going to happen in it? >> >> If everyones getting upset because apple have made the first move >> towards getting rid of the headphone jack in devices then what the >> hell is going to happen next, >> >> Well if this feedback we're reading is anything to go by the world for blind >> people will end! >> >> Remember things change for the good and the bad in life, >> >> But what ever happens the majority of people work on and get over the >> bridges that spring up in front of us. >> >> Till now I prefer headphones with the 3.5 mil jack as they're small >> and easy to put in a pocket to carry around, >> >> If I have to put an adaptor in my pocket or bag or what ever then I'm going >> to have to do it. >> >> But lets face it we don't really know what apple will do till they do it >> and they may have a really genius idea as a replacement for the headphones >> we've had up till now. >> >> Which I have to admit I have about 6 pair never used sitting in a box of >> extras so at least at this point I've got spares for my notebook and ipad >> till they change also. >> >> And they could change things again yet to USB C >> >> Just thinking out of the box, >> >> Try thinking about now and not about tomorrow, you might not make it, no >> one can actually tell. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. >> Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 2:06 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on >> the iPhone seven >> >> Adding one tiny bit of gear to carry around is going to be a >> giant issue? Good grief. I wonder how much impact that will have on >> me when I lug around 15-20 pounds of gear on a regular basis. This >> little adapter just might be the straw that breaks my back. (smiles) >> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>Are We Alone in the Universe? >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> >> On 9/1/2016 6:08 AM, Kimber Gardner wrote: >>> You're sort of missing the point, I think. The point being that most >>> pe
RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
Hi Mary, Like anything it will take time to get everything to work as one with good battery life. But it will come. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 4:59 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven I saw the rumors about the LTE coming to the watch. Then subsequently, there were other ones saying it wasn't going to happen because of the battery draw. They're adding a GPS. That will use the larger battery that is supposedly also coming. But not enough juice for both the GPS and the radio according to the rumors. Rumors, rumors, rumors. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 2, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: > > Mary, there are some watches now that have this feature that simon speaks of. > You’re exactly right a radio would need to be included. For the watch, not > necessarily full LTE but HSPA+ or something may do the trick. The Samsung > Gear had a 3G radio included and I’m not sure what’s in the Gear S2. With a > Samsung you could run the watch totally separate from the phone. >I personally think this is an over rated feature unless you’re like simon > and want a watch only for a phone and no other device. I like the larger > devices so would always use my phone near my watch so all I care about is a > good bluetooth and WiFi stack on the watch. I’d like to see the 5 GHZ band > added to the watch and the ability to set the WiFi settings separately with > advanced features. There were rumblings of adding a full cell feature to the > apple watch but I don’t know if that was included in the upcoming release. > >> On Sep 2, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Simon, >> What good is a Sim card slot if you don't have an LTE radio in the watch? >> According to all the rumors, and of course they are just that, there's not >> going to be an LTE radio in the next watch. >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:53 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >>> >>> I also have this watch and the only thing I have against it is I forget to >>> set it in meetings to not ring if I get a call. >>> >>> I'd really like to see a new version have a sim card slot so I could use >>> the watch as an independent device without the phone. >>> Or even you get both options. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth >>> Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 6:20 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>> iPhone seven >>> >>> Hi Mary >>> >>> I have the Apple Watch Sport myself and like it a lot. Yes, watchOS 3.0 >>> will have some great new accessibility features, but for now you can turn a >>> setting off that wakes the screen when you raise your wrist. I have done >>> this, and the watch no longer interrupts my daily living. I can dine for >>> example and the watch will not go off. The setting can be found under >>> general > wake screen. >>>> On 1 Sep 2016, at 17:50, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I guess I'm still with the folks who haven't really seen the utility, or >>>> at least the really over whelming use case for having the watch. Perhaps >>>> the next iteration will change my mind. Admittedly one reason for my >>>> reluctance on this score has been the fact that I am probably one of the >>>> few people who still uses a braille watch. I despise talking time devices >>>> that go off at the most inopportune times, such as during a meeting at >>>> Cetera. With the new 2.0, will be getting the ability to have the >>>> vibrating feedback to tell the time. So that is a step in the right >>>> direction. I guess I just haven't seen the killer use case yet. >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You have to get a watch to get it but I find my absolutely critical now. >>>>> It’s so nice to be able to quickly flick and get the latest pop on your >>
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What's really important is that I phone home and am saved. The loss of a headphone jack is a non-issue for me because I will continue to use it. I am not bloody well needing to buy a 7. So even though I am hearing impaired and need the jack, I also know once the 7 has been released, there will be solutions, either from Apple or aftermarket. So I truly fail to understand the the flap. Maybe I see a conspiracy here but this sure got some people royally worked up. And its not even full moon, just new moon. Now I am going to call home and get some eats. And peace. From E.T.'s Keyboard... Are We Alone in the Universe? ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 9/2/2016 3:17 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: ET, It's ok for you, You can just phone home and get the other ETs and Elliott to come get you, these guys wont be able to hear the phone ringing! I love people telling me I need to be saved because the world is going to end. If it's going to end, why save me? Sorry shouldn't laugh, it's possibly a really important issue -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 2:13 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven The end is coming, the end is coming! Ever see those signs people carry around? And everyone who comes to my door tell me the same thing and they want to let me know what to do. Really? Why is it that people cannot stay focused on the here and now and get the most out of life right now? When I start talking sense to these door knockers, they run like hell. All this talk about the future is madness. Don't yall have a life? From E.T.'s Keyboard... Are We Alone in the Universe? ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 9/2/2016 1:42 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi Folks, Just going to add a thought in here. Any one thought about the future and what's going to happen in it? If everyones getting upset because apple have made the first move towards getting rid of the headphone jack in devices then what the hell is going to happen next, Well if this feedback we're reading is anything to go by the world for blind people will end! Remember things change for the good and the bad in life, But what ever happens the majority of people work on and get over the bridges that spring up in front of us. Till now I prefer headphones with the 3.5 mil jack as they're small and easy to put in a pocket to carry around, If I have to put an adaptor in my pocket or bag or what ever then I'm going to have to do it. But lets face it we don't really know what apple will do till they do it and they may have a really genius idea as a replacement for the headphones we've had up till now. Which I have to admit I have about 6 pair never used sitting in a box of extras so at least at this point I've got spares for my notebook and ipad till they change also. And they could change things again yet to USB C Just thinking out of the box, Try thinking about now and not about tomorrow, you might not make it, no one can actually tell. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 2:06 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven Adding one tiny bit of gear to carry around is going to be a giant issue? Good grief. I wonder how much impact that will have on me when I lug around 15-20 pounds of gear on a regular basis. This little adapter just might be the straw that breaks my back. (smiles) From E.T.'s Keyboard... Are We Alone in the Universe? ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 9/1/2016 6:08 AM, Kimber Gardner wrote: You're sort of missing the point, I think. The point being that most people (me included) don't think they should have to carry extra bits around to do something as basic as plug in a set of earphones. On 9/1/16, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote: Hi. I use Bluetooth stereo headphones so this new revelation doesn’t effect me. I wouldn’t even carry an adaptor around with me because I’m not one for carrying extra bits around just to accomplish a simple task like wanting to plug your headphones in. On 31 Aug 2016, at 13:29, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com> wrote: hey all, I know there have been many leaks of supposed schematics and things on the new iPhone seven and if or not it will have a 3.5mm jack. The latest leak I believe has credence. In the box with the iPhone seven, you will get a lightning to 3.5 mm adapter witch is what i guessed apple would do if they did take the jack from the phone. If this is indeed the case I am quite satisfied because at least they have made an adapter readily available. Michael To p
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Hi Mary, Most likely but I'm still allowed to dream, It will come out with time once they shrink the devices they need to make it happen. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 3:04 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven Simon, What good is a Sim card slot if you don't have an LTE radio in the watch? According to all the rumors, and of course they are just that, there's not going to be an LTE radio in the next watch. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:53 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > I also have this watch and the only thing I have against it is I forget to > set it in meetings to not ring if I get a call. > > I'd really like to see a new version have a sim card slot so I could use the > watch as an independent device without the phone. > Or even you get both options. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth > Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 6:20 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the > iPhone seven > > Hi Mary > > I have the Apple Watch Sport myself and like it a lot. Yes, watchOS 3.0 will > have some great new accessibility features, but for now you can turn a > setting off that wakes the screen when you raise your wrist. I have done > this, and the watch no longer interrupts my daily living. I can dine for > example and the watch will not go off. The setting can be found under general > > wake screen. >> On 1 Sep 2016, at 17:50, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I guess I'm still with the folks who haven't really seen the utility, or at >> least the really over whelming use case for having the watch. Perhaps the >> next iteration will change my mind. Admittedly one reason for my reluctance >> on this score has been the fact that I am probably one of the few people who >> still uses a braille watch. I despise talking time devices that go off at >> the most inopportune times, such as during a meeting at Cetera. With the new >> 2.0, will be getting the ability to have the vibrating feedback to tell the >> time. So that is a step in the right direction. I guess I just haven't seen >> the killer use case yet. >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >>> >>> You have to get a watch to get it but I find my absolutely critical now. >>> It’s so nice to be able to quickly flick and get the latest pop on your >>> watch or be able to walk away from your phone and just access quick data >>> nicely on your wrist. For sited users, being able to glance down say while >>> driving even or in various settings where you don’t want to break your >>> focus for a full look at your phone. >>> Another nice set of features are the health features. Even a gentle tap >>> on the wrist to just stand up and move around and stretch hourly or >>> motivation to meet your workout goals. >>> You can quick respond again from your wrist to messages or take a quick >>> call. It’s hard to explain. Also, the Apple watch is more independent >>> than people think. Since version 2.1 I believe it was given WiFi functions >>> so it can join your home network or other WiFi networks with some caveats >>> and work independently from the phone including placing and receiving calls >>> if your carrier supports WiFi calling which my carrier does fully. >>> To be clear, I was with you and then I got one as a gift and now I don’t >>> know what I’d do with out it and I’m dead excited to see watch 2.0 next >>> week. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> I've never really understood the point of the Apple watch, sure it can run >>>> apps, but so what, my phone does that, and the watch requires a phone >>>> connection to do most things anyway, totally redundant. >>>> Original message: >>>>> Hello Mary, >>>> >>>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>>> alternatives and it's
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ET, It's ok for you, You can just phone home and get the other ETs and Elliott to come get you, these guys wont be able to hear the phone ringing! I love people telling me I need to be saved because the world is going to end. If it's going to end, why save me? Sorry shouldn't laugh, it's possibly a really important issue -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 2:13 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven The end is coming, the end is coming! Ever see those signs people carry around? And everyone who comes to my door tell me the same thing and they want to let me know what to do. Really? Why is it that people cannot stay focused on the here and now and get the most out of life right now? When I start talking sense to these door knockers, they run like hell. All this talk about the future is madness. Don't yall have a life? From E.T.'s Keyboard... Are We Alone in the Universe? ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 9/2/2016 1:42 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > Hi Folks, > Just going to add a thought in here. > > Any one thought about the future and what's going to happen in it? > > If everyones getting upset because apple have made the first move > towards getting rid of the headphone jack in devices then what the > hell is going to happen next, > > Well if this feedback we're reading is anything to go by the world for blind > people will end! > > Remember things change for the good and the bad in life, > > But what ever happens the majority of people work on and get over the > bridges that spring up in front of us. > > Till now I prefer headphones with the 3.5 mil jack as they're small > and easy to put in a pocket to carry around, > > If I have to put an adaptor in my pocket or bag or what ever then I'm going > to have to do it. > > But lets face it we don't really know what apple will do till they do it > and they may have a really genius idea as a replacement for the headphones > we've had up till now. > > Which I have to admit I have about 6 pair never used sitting in a box of > extras so at least at this point I've got spares for my notebook and ipad > till they change also. > > And they could change things again yet to USB C > > Just thinking out of the box, > > Try thinking about now and not about tomorrow, you might not make it, no one > can actually tell. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. > Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 2:06 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on > the iPhone seven > > Adding one tiny bit of gear to carry around is going to be a giant > issue? Good grief. I wonder how much impact that will have on me when > I lug around 15-20 pounds of gear on a regular basis. This little > adapter just might be the straw that breaks my back. (smiles) > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... >Are We Alone in the Universe? > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > > On 9/1/2016 6:08 AM, Kimber Gardner wrote: >> You're sort of missing the point, I think. The point being that most >> people (me included) don't think they should have to carry extra bits >> around to do something as basic as plug in a set of earphones. >> >> On 9/1/16, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote: >>> Hi. I use Bluetooth stereo headphones so this new revelation doesn’t >>> effect me. I wouldn’t even carry an adaptor around with me because >>> I’m not one for carrying extra bits around just to accomplish a >>> simple task like wanting to plug your headphones in. >>>> On 31 Aug 2016, at 13:29, Michael Marshall >>>> <mightymaggie...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> hey all, >>>> I know there have been many leaks of supposed schematics and things >>>> on the new iPhone seven and if or not it will have a 3.5mm jack. >>>> The latest leak I believe has credence. >>>> In the box with the iPhone seven, you will get a lightning to 3.5 >>>> mm adapter witch is what i guessed apple would do if they did take >>>> the jack from the phone. >>>> If this is indeed the case I am quite satisfied because at least >>>> they have made an adapter readily available. >>>> >>>> Michael >>>> >>>> To post messages to this group, please use the following addre
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There are lights? Awesome! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 12:35 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven Jonathan, now you’re just writing stuff to read it later, that’s just nutty. You make it like some huge personal assault against the great and mighty Jonathan Mosen, please, we’ve seen an adapter is going to exist so you have your precious 1960s technology. In the end, probably 3 people are going to care about this issue over all and all 3 are on this list.:) The average consumer doesn’t care what shape or size plug they use as long as when they plug it in the little light goes on and stuff works. On Sep 1, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: Keep fighting the good fight David. This is far too important an issue to give up. Our money is as good as anyone else's and we must never give up advocating for recognition of our need to be able to use our devices with efficiency and privacy while also charging them. If it turns out that this need has been met, then it will in part be due to courageous people like you who have spoken up. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org<http://mosen.org/> On 2/09/2016, at 11:05 AM, David Griffith <daj.griff...@gmail.com<mailto:daj.griff...@gmail.com>> wrote: As another deaf iPhone user I agree with everything you say but I htink you will probably not get that much understanding. I tried to explain on this list about how a wired headset was essential for me but was accused bizarrely of being a troll because I dared to criticise an Apple innovation. This did cause another another poster to comment that ironically some people are deaf to the concerns of those of with hearing impairments. David Griffith On 01/09/2016 20:07, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Hi Mary, unfortunately this issue doesn't affect the Deaf community in the same way as it affects blind people who wear hearing aids and require decent latency. And the fact that those of us who are affected are such a minority makes us more vulnerable. You can be sure I am considering my legal options under legislation here. A standard hearing aid wearer uses their phone actively far less than a blind person who wears a hearing aid. For example, if a Bluetooth solution is being used, after a standard hearing aid wearer has finished their call or isn't listening to music, the technology goes into standby and uses very little energy. A blind person has VO talking a lot of the time if they're using their device for tasks like reading and creating documents, email etc, so the impact is much greater. Even if people are willing to accept an adapter jutting out of their phone with its resultant potential to be lost or bent, the adapter will not solve the problem entirely if it means that you can't charge your device and use headphones at the same time. I travel long distances for example, often with flights over 12 hours long. I regularly take my Anka battery with me and charge the phone while I use it to compensate for the inaccessible in-flight entertainment system. It's important to me to have a full charge when I reach my destination. Based on the information we have, it looks like you can either listen to wired headphones or charge, not both. That means that every VoiceOver user who chooses a wired option appears to have to choose between privacy and charge. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org<http://mosen.org/> On 2/09/2016, at 4:41 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: Well, just to be clear, I personally would be against this move, if it means that they' very large hard of hearing community can't use hearing aids on iPhones anymore. That seems like such an incredibly stupid move on Apple's part, that I am tempted to just believe that they wouldn't do it if they didn't have a workaround that would work for people who use hearing aids. The hard of hearing community is orders of magnitude larger then the blind community. So Shirley, this adapter must be providing someway for people who use hearing aids to keep on doing so. What am I missing here? I remember sometime ago, when the idea that the headphone jack would go away first came out, Jonathan wrote a very impassioned piece on this subject, arguing that this was a very bad idea because of the use case of hearing aids. Now Apple is going to do it anyway, but they're offering an adapter. Why doesn't that solve the problem? I understand why Bluetooth is not a good alternative, given Jonathan's comments on battery drain and the well-known problem for voiceover users with laten
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Hi Scott and others, As I've said I'm not a hearing impaired / aid user and I appreciate things must be more difficult for you guys and girls in that area. However this is going to be a new device and can you tell me that when the first iPhones came out that they catered for you guys first off with your requirements? I can understand that hey a new device should contain these required functions brought forward from the older device But in life to go forward you often have to go backwards first. I would think that apple or should I say I hope apple are now looking at this going shit, we've got a group of users now missing out. Less we forget all good things take time Apple have been very good with providing accessibility in their products and I'd be very surprised if they weren't now trying to correct this oversight. But you still have options with the older devices still allowing for your requirements But lets face it I'm more interested in the next phone than the release next week, They will correct and add features to what comes out in 2017. sf -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Davert Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 12:33 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven Hello all. I'm going to address several messages at once on this thread. Jonathan: you are 100% correct about the access issue for those of us who wear hearing aids and who are blind. Sadly, the market is rarely designed wit our needs being considered because, as you say, we're such a small minority. And within that minority, how many of us are actively reading online articles and tracking tech trends to even push this issue forward? I, too, have utilized my contacts at Apple to try and make them aware of this issue. While I doubt we will reverse hardware development, perhaps they will at least give our user case some consideration and may figure out a way to address it. Without going in to detail, it does seem that bluetooth audio in iOS 10 is a bit less laggy, but we still have all of the other issues you mentioned concerning battery life and so on. Mike: regarding your question of Android accessibility, since I think it's somewhat relevant to this discussion, my issue isn't so much with TalkBack, but with BrailleBack. As someone who has taken to primarily accessing my devices through braille displays, Android has a long long way to go in terms of giving equal access to the operating system. TalkBack has certainly come a long way, but BrailleBack has not. I have passed along numerous bits of feedback to Google on this issue, and all the responses are get are things like: then stick with iOS. Now the standard response seems to be that since BrailleBack is open source, Google expects someone else to solve their problems for them. You can have decent braille access on Android if you wish to shell out a few grand for a BrailleNote Touch which is already running an outdated version of the OS, but this, too, has many limitations. Thanks for reading, Scott On 9/2/16, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: > Well, I've gotten rather into Android and Linux a lot lately, although > I still use my iPhone for reading email until I can find a mod for my > device that'll give me Android 6 or 7, so if Apple does something I > don't like, I have options I can turn to. > > > On 09/02/2016 04:06 AM, Portia Scott wrote: >> Yes, it will be interesting to see, For me as well. I am not one of >> those who buy the latest and greatest Devices right away anymore, >> either. LOL. I used to be, but I have grown a lot, and learned not to >> be like that anymore. As people say, only time will tell what happens. >> >> Take care, and have a wonderful day. >> >> Portia. >>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:22 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >>> >>> I will be interested to see the headphones they have with the new >>> phones when they are released. >>> >>> I use my current ones for pretty much everything when I'm out and >>> about including using my MBA so people don't hear it talking or so I >>> can hear things with out the surrounding noises >>> >>> If these new phones are some new form of BT then I'll be happy if >>> they can connect to multiple devices such as my iPhone iPad and MBA. >>> Oh and my watch. >>> >>> Cheers. >>> >>> >>> Simon F >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin >>> Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 12:59 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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And that’s what she said! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 12:31 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven Um, money has nothing to do with this. What’s the real factors are size / thickness and durability. You can seal up that lightning port against water and damage easily and it’s a thinner package than a headphone jack so you can shave a millimeter or 2 from the thickness which really is a big deal. You could also almost grow the case on to the phone making it super durable with no joints. On Sep 1, 2016, at 10:28 PM, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com<mailto:mightymaggie...@gmail.com>> wrote: There will definitely be a backlash, Samsung tried this and it was reversed. The reason Apple is doing this is simple, money. On 1 Sep. 2016, at 6:28 pm, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out. That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we know what impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown under the bus, well too damn bad. As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's difficult to get through an entire business day of use without the need to charge something. And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its accessibility market. Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on its iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer on its own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use the Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge your phone with. Absolutely absurd. I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then because there is certainly going to be a backlash. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org<http://mosen.org/> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: Hello Mary, My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that companies pay attention. Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridic
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Scott, The samsungs do use micro USB for charging, Are you meaning that as a connection media for headphones? I have a feeling I’ve seen something like that in a phone recently. Talking about Samsung, They just recalled all their note 7 devices due to some of them having burst in to flames, Wonder what apple have got for a magic trick in the iPhone 7? From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 12:29 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven Mary, i could be way wrong here but I thought the Samsung S5 at least had a usb port where you attached the headphones with an adapter. I could be remembering wrong though. On Sep 1, 2016, at 11:26 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: Samsung tried what? Samsung did not remove the headphone jack. They took away the storage card slot. And they brought it back, because people complain. They took away the user replaceable battery. They did not bring that back, despite complaint. They do what they want. There is no immediately efficient replacement for that storage card slot. Apple has never had one. People have complained forever about the fact that it is harder to access the whole file system on Apple devices. As Apple change that? No they have not. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com<mailto:mightymaggie...@gmail.com>> wrote: There will definitely be a backlash, Samsung tried this and it was reversed. The reason Apple is doing this is simple, money. On 1 Sep. 2016, at 6:28 pm, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out. That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we know what impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown under the bus, well too damn bad. As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's difficult to get through an entire business day of use without the need to charge something. And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its accessibility market. Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on its iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer on its own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use the Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge your phone with. Absolutely absurd. I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has given them a great gift. I
RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
Yes and no, I have a 6s+ 128 gig retail buy outright here in nz is approx. 1800 dollars. Now if I asked for 900 for my phone that would be high enough that someone would just say I’ll buy the 64 gig model which in most cases is only a couple of hundy more. Or they get the 6s version of the 7 which wouldn’t be a lot more either. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 12:27 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven I personally could care less what the memory size is. All my content is streamed so I don’t use much of it other than for application memory. Whether it’s 16, 32, or 256 GB it’s all the same. The only thing I find is the higher memory units have a better resale value. On Sep 1, 2016, at 11:38 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: Yes. I too would like to be able to plug my eye device into a PC or Mac and access that like I could A thumb drive. I would also like a storage slot, so that damned 16 GB model they sell wouldn't be so ridiculously limited. Yes, I know they are supposedly upping it to 32, big deal. On the other hand, my android device is a nexus, because it gets timely updates, just like apples things do. No storage card there either. Nothing is perfect. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com<mailto:mightymaggie...@gmail.com>> wrote: The article I read must' have been gravely misinformed. I would just like to download files from Safari to my iPhone such as mp3 files. viewing it as a harddrive like the Android phones. On 2 Sep. 2016, at 1:26 pm, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: Samsung tried what? Samsung did not remove the headphone jack. They took away the storage card slot. And they brought it back, because people complain. They took away the user replaceable battery. They did not bring that back, despite complaint. They do what they want. There is no immediately efficient replacement for that storage card slot. Apple has never had one. People have complained forever about the fact that it is harder to access the whole file system on Apple devices. As Apple change that? No they have not. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com<mailto:mightymaggie...@gmail.com>> wrote: There will definitely be a backlash, Samsung tried this and it was reversed. The reason Apple is doing this is simple, money. On 1 Sep. 2016, at 6:28 pm, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out. That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we know what impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown under the bus, well too damn bad. As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's difficult to get through an entire business day of use without the need to charge something. And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, which parades t
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ne solid >>>>>>> piece of material. You could almost grow the casing and have a super >>>>>>> durable waterproof phone with no openings at all. The entire surface >>>>>>> could be a screen. Not needing ports is a good thing over all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>>>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>>>>>>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the >>>>>>>> storage card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. >>>>>>>> Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible >>>>>>>> earbuds with the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible >>>>>>>> for people to use other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth >>>>>>>> these days, I suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be gone >>>>>>>> from iPhones forever. Other device makers are already moving in this >>>>>>>> direction. So it isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not be the first >>>>>>>> ones to market without a headphone jack on the phone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts >>>>>>>>> the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing >>>>>>>>> the removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary >>>>>>>>> memory to its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the >>>>>>>>> market, effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies >>>>>>>>> who kept those features. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for >>>>>>>>> iOS devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC >>>>>>>>> users upon attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went >>>>>>>>> crazy and vowed to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing >>>>>>>>> people to use iTunes in order to manage photos. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this >>>>>>>>> feature in the subsequent release of iTunes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something >>>>>>>>> tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM >>>>>>>>> To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on >>>>>>>>> the iPhone seven >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone jack >>>>>>>>> first appeared I was certain they (Apple) was going to provide an >>>>>>>>> adapter so potential customers would be able to use their existing >>>>>>>>>
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aids to keep on doing so. What am I missing here? I remember sometime ago, when the idea that the headphone jack would go away first came out, Jonathan wrote a very impassioned piece on this subject, arguing that this was a very bad idea because of the use case of hearing aids. Now Apple is going to do it anyway, but they're offering an adapter. Why doesn't that solve the problem? I understand why Bluetooth is not a good alternative, given Jonathan's comments on battery drain and the well-known problem for voiceover users with latency. It's still really bad, at least on my phone with my legend. I would not want to have to type on that system for anything more than a word or two, because the latency between when you touch a letter and when you hear it is much too long. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always. Here’s another point to consider, suppose we add wireless charging. Now, you could have a brick with no ports what so ever formed from one solid piece of material. You could almost grow the casing and have a super durable waterproof phone with no openings at all. The entire surface could be a screen. Not needing ports is a good thing over all. On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Mark, Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack on the phone. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept those features. A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users upon attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in order to manage photos. Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature in the subsequent release of iTunes. So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone jack first appeared I was certain they (Apple) was going to provide an adapter so potential customers would be able to use their existing earphones with the iPhone 7. This coming to light does not surprise me in the least. - Bill & Leader Dog Holland - "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure they are going to have some pretty annoying virtues." - Elizabeth Taylor, 20th Century Screen Actress, (1932-2011)-- -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.co
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t;>>>>>> well-known problem for voiceover users with latency. It's still really >>>>>>>> bad, at least on my phone with my legend. I would not want to have to >>>>>>>> type on that system for anything more than a word or two, because the >>>>>>>> latency between when you touch a letter and when you hear it is much >>>>>>>> too long. >>>>>>>> Mary >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net >>>>>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always. Here’s >>>>>>>>> another point to consider, suppose we add wireless charging. Now, you >>>>>>>>> could have a brick with no ports what so ever formed from one solid >>>>>>>>> piece of material. You could almost grow the casing and have a super >>>>>>>>> durable waterproof phone with no openings at all. The entire surface >>>>>>>>> could be a screen. Not needing ports is a good thing over all. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>>>>>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are >>>>>>>>>> wrong about the disappearing headphone >>>>>>>>>> jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage card thing, but >>>>>>>>>> did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the other >>>>>>>>>> rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the >>>>>>>>>> new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to >>>>>>>>>> use other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, >>>>>>>>>> I suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones >>>>>>>>>> forever. Other device makers are already moving in this direction. >>>>>>>>>> So it isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not be the first ones to >>>>>>>>>> market without a headphone jack on the phone. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market >>>>>>>>>>> accepts the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing >>>>>>>>>>> the removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary >>>>>>>>>>> memory to its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the >>>>>>>>>>> market, effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other >>>>>>>>>>> companies who kept those features. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for >>>>>>>>>>> iOS devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC >>>>>>>>>>> users upon attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace >>>>>>>>>>> went crazy and vowed to turn to Android if Apple insisted on >>>>>>>>>>> forcing people to use iTunes in order to manage photos. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Like Samsung, Apple imm
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mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always. >>>>>>>>>> Here’s another point to consider, suppose we add wireless >>>>>>>>>> charging. Now, you could have a brick with no ports what so >>>>>>>>>> ever formed from one solid piece of material. You could almost >>>>>>>>>> grow the casing and have a super durable waterproof phone with >>>>>>>>>> no openings at all. The entire surface could be a screen. Not >>>>>>>>>> needing ports is a good thing over all. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>>>>>>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong >>>>>>>>>>> about the disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung >>>>>>>>>>> put back the storage card thing, but did not put back the user >>>>>>>>>>> replaceable battery. Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple >>>>>>>>>>> will be including compatible earbuds with the new phone, as >>>>>>>>>>> well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use other >>>>>>>>>>> headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I >>>>>>>>>>> suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from >>>>>>>>>>> iPhones forever. Other device makers are already moving in >>>>>>>>>>> this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not >>>>>>>>>>> be the first ones to market without a headphone jack on the phone. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market >>>>>>>>>>>> accepts the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) >>>>>>>>>>>> removing the removable battery and (2) removing the ability >>>>>>>>>>>> to add auxiliary memory to its flagship phones, it soon >>>>>>>>>>>> reversed its decision as the market, effectively, rejected >>>>>>>>>>>> the devices in favor of other companies who kept those features. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the >>>>>>>>>>>> ability for iOS devices to have their photo content >>>>>>>>>>>> immediately available to PC users upon attaching the device >>>>>>>>>>>> to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed to turn >>>>>>>>>>>> to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes >>>>>>>>>>>> in order to manage photos. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring >>>>>>>>>>>> this feature in the subsequent release of iTunes. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, >>>>>>>>>>>> something tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back >>>>>>>>>>>> (smile). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>
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too long. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always. Here’s another point to consider, suppose we add wireless charging. Now, you could have a brick with no ports what so ever formed from one solid piece of material. You could almost grow the casing and have a super durable waterproof phone with no openings at all. The entire surface could be a screen. Not needing ports is a good thing over all. On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Mark, Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack on the phone. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept those features. A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users upon attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in order to manage photos. Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature in the subsequent release of iTunes. So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone jack first appeared I was certain they (Apple) was going to provide an adapter so potential customers would be able to use their existing earphones with the iPhone 7. This coming to light does not surprise me in the least. - Bill & Leader Dog Holland - "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure they are going to have some pretty annoying virtues." - Elizabeth Taylor, 20th Century Screen Actress, (1932-2011)-- -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVision
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>>>> http://Mosen.org >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/09/2016, at 4:41 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, just to be clear, I personally would be against this move, if it >>>>>>> means that they' very large hard of hearing community can't use >>>>>>> hearing aids on iPhones anymore. That seems like such an incredibly >>>>>>> stupid move on Apple's part, that I am tempted to just believe that >>>>>>> they wouldn't do it if they didn't have a workaround that would work >>>>>>> for people who use hearing aids. The hard of hearing community is >>>>>>> orders of magnitude larger then the blind community. So Shirley, this >>>>>>> adapter must be providing someway for people who use hearing aids to >>>>>>> keep on doing so. What am I missing here? I remember sometime ago, when >>>>>>> the idea that the headphone jack would go away first came out, Jonathan >>>>>>> wrote a very impassioned piece on this subject, arguing that this was a >>>>>>> very bad idea because of the use >>>>>>> case of hearing aids. Now Apple is going to do it anyway, but they're >>>>>>> offering an adapter. Why doesn't that solve the problem? I understand >>>>>>> why Bluetooth is not a good alternative, given Jonathan's comments on >>>>>>> battery drain and the well-known problem for voiceover users with >>>>>>> latency. It's still really bad, at least on my phone with my legend. I >>>>>>> would not want to have to type on that system for anything more than a >>>>>>> word or two, because the latency between when you touch a letter and >>>>>>> when you hear it is much too long. >>>>>>> Mary >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always. Here’s >>>>>>>> another point to consider, suppose we add wireless charging. Now, you >>>>>>>> could have a brick with no ports what so ever formed from one solid >>>>>>>> piece of material. You could almost grow the casing and have a super >>>>>>>> durable waterproof phone with no openings at all. The entire surface >>>>>>>> could be a screen. Not needing ports is a good thing over all. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>>>>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>>>>>>>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the >>>>>>>>> storage card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable >>>>>>>>> battery. Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple will be including >>>>>>>>> compatible earbuds with the new phone, as well as an adapter to make >>>>>>>>> it possible for people to use other headphones. Given the prevalence >>>>>>>>> of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the headphone jack will in >>>>>>>>> fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device makers are already >>>>>>>>> moving in this direction. So it isn't just >>>>>>>>>Apple. In fact, they will not be the first ones to >>>>>>>>> market without a headphone jack on the phone. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market >>>>>>>>>> accepts the new iPhone 7 tr
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t;> device and use headphones at the same time. I travel long distances for >>>>>> example, often with flights over 12 hours long. I regularly take my Anka >>>>>> battery with me and charge the phone while I use it to compensate for >>>>>> the inaccessible in-flight entertainment system. It's important to me to >>>>>> have a full charge when I reach my destination. Based on the information >>>>>> we have, it looks like you can either listen to wired headphones or >>>>>> charge, not both. >>>>>> That means that every VoiceOver user who chooses a wired option appears >>>>>> to have to choose between privacy and charge. >>>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>>>> Mosen Consulting >>>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>>>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>>>>>> On 2/09/2016, at 4:41 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, just to be clear, I personally would be against this move, if it >>>>>>> means that they' very large hard of hearing community can't use >>>>>>> hearing aids on iPhones anymore. That seems like such an incredibly >>>>>>> stupid move on Apple's part, that I am tempted to just believe that >>>>>>> they wouldn't do it if they didn't have a workaround that would work >>>>>>> for people who use hearing aids. The hard of hearing community is >>>>>>> orders of magnitude larger then the blind community. So Shirley, this >>>>>>> adapter must be providing someway for people who use hearing aids to >>>>>>> keep on doing so. What am I missing here? I remember sometime ago, when >>>>>>> the idea that the headphone jack would go away first came out, Jonathan >>>>>>> wrote a very impassioned piece on this subject, arguing that this was a >>>>>>> very bad idea because of the use case of hearing aids. Now Apple is >>>>>>> going to do it anyway, but they're offering an adapter. Why doesn't >>>>>>> that solve the problem? I understand why Bluetooth is not a good >>>>>>> alternative, given Jonathan's comments on battery drain and the >>>>>>> well-known problem for voiceover users >>>>>>> with latency. It's still really bad, at least on my phone with my >>>>>>> legend. I would not want to have to type on that system for anything >>>>>>> more than a word or two, because the latency between when you touch a >>>>>>> letter and when you hear it is much too long. >>>>>>> Mary >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net >>>>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always. Here’s >>>>>>>> another point to consider, suppose we add wireless charging. Now, you >>>>>>>> could have a brick with no ports what so ever formed from one solid >>>>>>>> piece of material. You could almost grow the casing and have a super >>>>>>>> durable waterproof phone with no openings at all. The entire surface >>>>>>>> could be a screen. Not needing ports is a good thing over all. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>>>>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>>>>>>>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the >>>>>>>>> storage card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable >>>>>>>>> battery. Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple will be including >>>>>>>>> compatible earbuds with t
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e casing and have a super >>>>>>> durable waterproof phone with no openings at all. The entire surface >>>>>>> could be a screen. Not needing ports is a good thing over all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>>>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>>>>>>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the >>>>>>>> storage card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. >>>>>>>> Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible >>>>>>>> earbuds with the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible >>>>>>>> for people to use other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth >>>>>>>> these days, I suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be gone >>>>>>>> from iPhones forever. Other device makers are already moving in this >>>>>>>> direction. So it isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not be the first >>>>>>>> ones to market without a headphone jack on the phone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts >>>>>>>>> the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing >>>>>>>>> the removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary >>>>>>>>> memory to its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the >>>>>>>>> market, effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies >>>>>>>>> who kept those features. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for >>>>>>>>> iOS devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC >>>>>>>>> users upon attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went >>>>>>>>> crazy and vowed to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing >>>>>>>>> people to use iTunes in order to manage photos. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself >>>>>>>>> by restoring this feature in the subsequent >>>>>>>>> release of iTunes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something >>>>>>>>> tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM >>>>>>>>> To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on >>>>>>>>> the iPhone seven >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone jack >>>>>>>>> first appeared I was certain they (Apple) was going to provide an >>>>>>>>> adapter so potential customers would be able to use their existing >>>>>>>>> earphones with the iPhone 7. This coming to light does not su
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The hard of hearing community is orders of magnitude larger then the blind community. So Shirley, this adapter must be providing someway for people who use hearing aids to keep on doing so. What am I missing here? I remember sometime ago, when the idea that the headphone jack would go away first came out, Jonathan wrote a very impassioned piece on this subject, arguing that this was a very bad idea because of the use case of hearing aids. Now Apple is going to do it anyway, but they're offering an adapter. Why doesn't that solve the problem? I understand why Bluetooth is not a good alternative, given Jonathan's comments on battery drain and the well-known problem for voiceover users with latency. It's still really bad, at least on my phone with my legend. I would not want to have to type on that system for anything more than a word or two, because the latency between when you touch a letter and when you hear it is much too long. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always. Here’s another point to consider, suppose we add wireless charging. Now, you could have a brick with no ports what so ever formed from one solid piece of material. You could almost grow the casing and have a super durable waterproof phone with no openings at all. The entire surface could be a screen. Not needing ports is a good thing over all. On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Mark, Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack on the phone. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept those features. A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users upon attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in order to manage photos. Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature in the subsequent release of iTunes. So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone jack first appeared I was certain they (Apple) was going to provide an adapter so potential customers would be able to use their existing earphones with the iPhone 7. This coming to light does not surprise me in the least. - Bill & Leader Dog Holland - "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure they are going to have some pretty annoying virtues." - Elizabeth Taylor, 20th Century Screen Actress, (1932-2011)-- -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this grou
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o choose between privacy and charge. >>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>>> Mosen Consulting >>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>>> http://Mosen.org >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/09/2016, at 4:41 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, just to be clear, I personally would be against this move, if it >>>>>> means that they' very large hard of hearing community can't use hearing >>>>>> aids on iPhones anymore. That seems like such an incredibly stupid move >>>>>> on Apple's part, that I am tempted to just believe that they wouldn't do >>>>>> it if they didn't have a workaround that would work for people who use >>>>>> hearing aids. The hard of hearing community is orders of magnitude >>>>>> larger then the blind community. So Shirley, this adapter must be >>>>>> providing someway for people who use hearing aids to keep on doing so. >>>>>> What am I missing here? I remember sometime ago, when the idea that >>>>>> the headphone jack would go away first >>>>>> came out, Jonathan wrote a very impassioned piece on this subject, >>>>>> arguing that this was a very bad idea because of the use case of hearing >>>>>> aids. Now Apple is going to do it anyway, but they're offering an >>>>>> adapter. Why doesn't that solve the problem? I understand why Bluetooth >>>>>> is not a good alternative, given >>>>>> Jonathan's comments on battery drain and the well-known problem for >>>>>> voiceover users with latency. It's still really bad, at least on my >>>>>> phone with my legend. I would not want to have to type on that system >>>>>> for anything more than a word or two, because the latency between when >>>>>> you touch a letter and when you hear it is much too long. >>>>>> Mary >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always. Here’s >>>>>>> another point to consider, suppose we add wireless charging. Now, you >>>>>>> could have a brick with no ports what so ever formed from one solid >>>>>>> piece of material. You could almost grow the casing and have a super >>>>>>> durable waterproof phone with no openings at all. The entire surface >>>>>>> could be a screen. Not needing ports is a good thing over all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>>>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>>>>>>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the >>>>>>>> storage card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. >>>>>>>> Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible >>>>>>>> earbuds with the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible >>>>>>>> for people to use other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth >>>>>>>> these days, I suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be gone >>>>>>>> from iPhones forever. Other device makers are already moving in this >>>>>>>> direction. So it isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not be the first >>>>>>>> ones to market without a headphone jack on the phone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts >>>>>>>>> the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>&
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's comments on battery drain and the well-known problem for voiceover users with latency. It's still really bad, at least on my phone with my legend. I would not want to have to type on that system for anything more than a word or two, because the latency between when you touch a letter and when you hear it is much too long. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always. Here’s another point to consider, suppose we add wireless charging. Now, you could have a brick with no ports what so ever formed from one solid piece of material. You could almost grow the casing and have a super durable waterproof phone with no openings at all. The entire surface could be a screen. Not needing ports is a good thing over all. On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Mark, Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack on the phone. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept those features. A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users upon attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in order to manage photos. Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature in the subsequent release of iTunes. So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone jack first appeared I was certain they (Apple) was going to provide an adapter so potential customers would be able to use their existing earphones with the iPhone 7. This coming to light does not surprise me in the least. - Bill & Leader Dog Holland - "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure they are going to have some pretty annoying virtues." - Elizabeth Taylor, 20th Century Screen Actress, (1932-2011)-- -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or mo
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huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to >>>>>>>> hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they >>>>>>>> did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here >>>>>>>> in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are >>>>>>>> justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people >>>>>>>> don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the >>>>>>>> benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the >>>>>>>> lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out. >>>>>>>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, >>>>>>>> because one thing that this process has taught me since I started >>>>>>>> blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the >>>>>>>> alarm at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was >>>>>>>> naive to think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and >>>>>>>> respectful of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing >>>>>>>> impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we know what impact >>>>>>>> inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to >>>>>>>> the needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. >>>>>>>> But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the >>>>>>>> whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's >>>>>>>> everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown >>>>>>>> under the bus, well too damn bad. >>>>>>>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing >>>>>>>> aid wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack >>>>>>>> almost all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not >>>>>>>> viable for someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even >>>>>>>> if this were to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a >>>>>>>> profound way and it's difficult to get through an entire business day >>>>>>>> of use without the need to charge something. >>>>>>>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't >>>>>>>> then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, >>>>>>>> selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This >>>>>>>> company, which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of >>>>>>>> badge of honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of >>>>>>>> its accessibility market. >>>>>>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And >>>>>>>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, >>>>>>>> in time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive >>>>>>>> carefully managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C >>>>>>>> on its iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even >>>>>>>> offer on its own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use >>>>>>>> the Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of >>>>>>>> headphones you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you >>>>>>>> don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to >>>>>>>> charge your phone with. Absolutely absurd. >>>>>>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking >>>>>>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>>>>>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more >>>>>>>> viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm >>>>>>>> really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by >>>>>>>> then because there is certainly going to be a backlash. >>>>>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>
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I saw the rumors about the LTE coming to the watch. Then subsequently, there were other ones saying it wasn't going to happen because of the battery draw. They're adding a GPS. That will use the larger battery that is supposedly also coming. But not enough juice for both the GPS and the radio according to the rumors. Rumors, rumors, rumors. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 2, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: > > Mary, there are some watches now that have this feature that simon speaks of. > You’re exactly right a radio would need to be included. For the watch, not > necessarily full LTE but HSPA+ or something may do the trick. The Samsung > Gear had a 3G radio included and I’m not sure what’s in the Gear S2. With a > Samsung you could run the watch totally separate from the phone. >I personally think this is an over rated feature unless you’re like simon > and want a watch only for a phone and no other device. I like the larger > devices so would always use my phone near my watch so all I care about is a > good bluetooth and WiFi stack on the watch. I’d like to see the 5 GHZ band > added to the watch and the ability to set the WiFi settings separately with > advanced features. There were rumblings of adding a full cell feature to the > apple watch but I don’t know if that was included in the upcoming release. > >> On Sep 2, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Simon, >> What good is a Sim card slot if you don't have an LTE radio in the watch? >> According to all the rumors, and of course they are just that, there's not >> going to be an LTE radio in the next watch. >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:53 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >>> >>> I also have this watch and the only thing I have against it is I forget to >>> set it in meetings to not ring if I get a call. >>> >>> I'd really like to see a new version have a sim card slot so I could use >>> the watch as an independent device without the phone. >>> Or even you get both options. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth >>> Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 6:20 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>> iPhone seven >>> >>> Hi Mary >>> >>> I have the Apple Watch Sport myself and like it a lot. Yes, watchOS 3.0 >>> will have some great new accessibility features, but for now you can turn a >>> setting off that wakes the screen when you raise your wrist. I have done >>> this, and the watch no longer interrupts my daily living. I can dine for >>> example and the watch will not go off. The setting can be found under >>> general > wake screen. >>>> On 1 Sep 2016, at 17:50, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I guess I'm still with the folks who haven't really seen the utility, or >>>> at least the really over whelming use case for having the watch. Perhaps >>>> the next iteration will change my mind. Admittedly one reason for my >>>> reluctance on this score has been the fact that I am probably one of the >>>> few people who still uses a braille watch. I despise talking time devices >>>> that go off at the most inopportune times, such as during a meeting at >>>> Cetera. With the new 2.0, will be getting the ability to have the >>>> vibrating feedback to tell the time. So that is a step in the right >>>> direction. I guess I just haven't seen the killer use case yet. >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You have to get a watch to get it but I find my absolutely critical now. >>>>> It’s so nice to be able to quickly flick and get the latest pop on your >>>>> watch or be able to walk away from your phone and just access quick data >>>>> nicely on your wrist. For sited users, being able to glance down say >>>>> while driving even or in various settings where you don’t want to break >>>>> your focus for a full look at your phone. >>>>> Another nice set of features are the health features. Even a g
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gt;>>>>> justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people >>>>>>> don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the >>>>>>> benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the >>>>>>> lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out. >>>>>>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, >>>>>>> because one thing that this process has taught me since I started >>>>>>> blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm >>>>>>> at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was naive to >>>>>>> think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and respectful >>>>>>> of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired. I >>>>>>> guess I would like to think that since we know what impact >>>>>>> inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the >>>>>>> needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But >>>>>>> that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the >>>>>>> whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's >>>>>>> everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown >>>>>>> under the bus, well too damn bad. >>>>>>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid >>>>>>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost >>>>>>> all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for >>>>>>> someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were >>>>>>> to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way >>>>>>> and it's difficult to get through an entire business day of use without >>>>>>> the need to charge something. >>>>>>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't >>>>>>> then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, >>>>>>> selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This >>>>>>> company, which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of >>>>>>> badge of honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of >>>>>>> its accessibility market. >>>>>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And >>>>>>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, >>>>>>> in time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive >>>>>>> carefully managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C >>>>>>> on its iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even >>>>>>> offer on its own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use >>>>>>> the Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of >>>>>>> headphones you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you >>>>>>> don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge >>>>>>> your phone with. Absolutely absurd. >>>>>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking >>>>>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>>>>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more >>>>>>> viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm >>>>>>> really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then >>>>>>> because there is certainly going to be a backlash. >>>>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>>>>> Mosen Consulting >>>>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>>>>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>>>>>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello Mary, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, play
Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
Mary, there are some watches now that have this feature that simon speaks of. You’re exactly right a radio would need to be included. For the watch, not necessarily full LTE but HSPA+ or something may do the trick. The Samsung Gear had a 3G radio included and I’m not sure what’s in the Gear S2. With a Samsung you could run the watch totally separate from the phone. I personally think this is an over rated feature unless you’re like simon and want a watch only for a phone and no other device. I like the larger devices so would always use my phone near my watch so all I care about is a good bluetooth and WiFi stack on the watch. I’d like to see the 5 GHZ band added to the watch and the ability to set the WiFi settings separately with advanced features. There were rumblings of adding a full cell feature to the apple watch but I don’t know if that was included in the upcoming release. > On Sep 2, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Simon, > What good is a Sim card slot if you don't have an LTE radio in the watch? > According to all the rumors, and of course they are just that, there's not > going to be an LTE radio in the next watch. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:53 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >> >> I also have this watch and the only thing I have against it is I forget to >> set it in meetings to not ring if I get a call. >> >> I'd really like to see a new version have a sim card slot so I could use the >> watch as an independent device without the phone. >> Or even you get both options. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth >> Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 6:20 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >> iPhone seven >> >> Hi Mary >> >> I have the Apple Watch Sport myself and like it a lot. Yes, watchOS 3.0 will >> have some great new accessibility features, but for now you can turn a >> setting off that wakes the screen when you raise your wrist. I have done >> this, and the watch no longer interrupts my daily living. I can dine for >> example and the watch will not go off. The setting can be found under >> general > wake screen. >>> On 1 Sep 2016, at 17:50, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I guess I'm still with the folks who haven't really seen the utility, or at >>> least the really over whelming use case for having the watch. Perhaps the >>> next iteration will change my mind. Admittedly one reason for my reluctance >>> on this score has been the fact that I am probably one of the few people >>> who still uses a braille watch. I despise talking time devices that go off >>> at the most inopportune times, such as during a meeting at Cetera. With the >>> new 2.0, will be getting the ability to have the vibrating feedback to tell >>> the time. So that is a step in the right direction. I guess I just haven't >>> seen the killer use case yet. >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> You have to get a watch to get it but I find my absolutely critical now. >>>> It’s so nice to be able to quickly flick and get the latest pop on your >>>> watch or be able to walk away from your phone and just access quick data >>>> nicely on your wrist. For sited users, being able to glance down say >>>> while driving even or in various settings where you don’t want to break >>>> your focus for a full look at your phone. >>>> Another nice set of features are the health features. Even a gentle tap >>>> on the wrist to just stand up and move around and stretch hourly or >>>> motivation to meet your workout goals. >>>> You can quick respond again from your wrist to messages or take a quick >>>> call. It’s hard to explain. Also, the Apple watch is more independent >>>> than people think. Since version 2.1 I believe it was given WiFi >>>> functions so it can join your home network or other WiFi networks with >>>> some caveats and work independently from the phone including placing and >>>> receiving calls if your carrier supports WiFi calling which my carrier >>>> does fully. >>>> To be clear, I was with y
Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
Simon, What good is a Sim card slot if you don't have an LTE radio in the watch? According to all the rumors, and of course they are just that, there's not going to be an LTE radio in the next watch. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:53 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > I also have this watch and the only thing I have against it is I forget to > set it in meetings to not ring if I get a call. > > I'd really like to see a new version have a sim card slot so I could use the > watch as an independent device without the phone. > Or even you get both options. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth > Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 6:20 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the > iPhone seven > > Hi Mary > > I have the Apple Watch Sport myself and like it a lot. Yes, watchOS 3.0 will > have some great new accessibility features, but for now you can turn a > setting off that wakes the screen when you raise your wrist. I have done > this, and the watch no longer interrupts my daily living. I can dine for > example and the watch will not go off. The setting can be found under general > > wake screen. >> On 1 Sep 2016, at 17:50, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I guess I'm still with the folks who haven't really seen the utility, or at >> least the really over whelming use case for having the watch. Perhaps the >> next iteration will change my mind. Admittedly one reason for my reluctance >> on this score has been the fact that I am probably one of the few people who >> still uses a braille watch. I despise talking time devices that go off at >> the most inopportune times, such as during a meeting at Cetera. With the new >> 2.0, will be getting the ability to have the vibrating feedback to tell the >> time. So that is a step in the right direction. I guess I just haven't seen >> the killer use case yet. >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >>> >>> You have to get a watch to get it but I find my absolutely critical now. >>> It’s so nice to be able to quickly flick and get the latest pop on your >>> watch or be able to walk away from your phone and just access quick data >>> nicely on your wrist. For sited users, being able to glance down say while >>> driving even or in various settings where you don’t want to break your >>> focus for a full look at your phone. >>> Another nice set of features are the health features. Even a gentle tap >>> on the wrist to just stand up and move around and stretch hourly or >>> motivation to meet your workout goals. >>> You can quick respond again from your wrist to messages or take a quick >>> call. It’s hard to explain. Also, the Apple watch is more independent >>> than people think. Since version 2.1 I believe it was given WiFi functions >>> so it can join your home network or other WiFi networks with some caveats >>> and work independently from the phone including placing and receiving calls >>> if your carrier supports WiFi calling which my carrier does fully. >>> To be clear, I was with you and then I got one as a gift and now I don’t >>> know what I’d do with out it and I’m dead excited to see watch 2.0 next >>> week. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> I've never really understood the point of the Apple watch, sure it can run >>>> apps, but so what, my phone does that, and the watch requires a phone >>>> connection to do most things anyway, totally redundant. >>>> Original message: >>>>> Hello Mary, >>>> >>>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >>>>> companies pay attention. >>>> >>>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically >>>>> ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, >>>>> I'm not so certain that just because it decides something it better will >>>>> make it so. >>>>
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and if others are being thrown under the bus, well too damn >>>>>> bad. >>>>>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid >>>>>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost >>>>>> all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for >>>>>> someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were >>>>>> to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and >>>>>> it's difficult to get through an entire business day of use without the >>>>>> need to charge something. >>>>>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't >>>>>> then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, >>>>>> selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This >>>>>> company, which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of >>>>>> badge of honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its >>>>>> accessibility market. >>>>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And >>>>>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in >>>>>> time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive >>>>>> carefully managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on >>>>>> its iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer >>>>>> on its own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use the >>>>>> Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones >>>>>> you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you don't mind >>>>>> having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge your phone >>>>>> with. Absolutely absurd. >>>>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking >>>>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>>>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more >>>>>> viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm >>>>>> really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then >>>>>> because there is certainly going to be a backlash. >>>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>>>> Mosen Consulting >>>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>>>> http://Mosen.org >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Mary, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>>>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>>>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >>>>>>> companies pay attention. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically >>>>>>> ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, >>>>>>> I'm not so certain that just because it decides something it better >>>>>>> will make it so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it >>>>>>> would change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my >>>>>>> world hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to >>>>>>> follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of >>>>>>> Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when >>>>>>> it follows." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately >>>>>>> for me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest >>>>>>> device just because it is the latest. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Original Mess
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sed solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully >>>> managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on its >>>> iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer on its >>>> own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use the >>>> Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones >>>> you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you don't mind >>>> having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge your phone >>>> with. Absolutely absurd. >>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking >>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more >>>> viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm >>>> really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then >>>> because there is certainly going to be a backlash. >>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>> Mosen Consulting >>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>> http://Mosen.org >>>> >>>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello Mary, >>>>> >>>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >>>>> companies pay attention. >>>>> >>>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically >>>>> ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, >>>>> I'm not so certain that just because it decides something it better will >>>>> make it so. >>>>> >>>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would >>>>> change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my world >>>>> hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >>>>> >>>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to >>>>> follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of >>>>> Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it >>>>> follows." >>>>> >>>>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately for >>>>> me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device >>>>> just because it is the latest. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>>>> iPhone seven >>>>> >>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>>>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage >>>>> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if >>>>> the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with >>>>> the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to >>>>> use other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I >>>>> suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones >>>>> forever. Other device makers are already moving in this direction. So it >>>>> isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not be the first ones to market >>>>> without a headphone jack on the phone. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts >>>>>> the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>>>>> >>>>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the
Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
The end is coming, the end is coming! Ever see those signs people carry around? And everyone who comes to my door tell me the same thing and they want to let me know what to do. Really? Why is it that people cannot stay focused on the here and now and get the most out of life right now? When I start talking sense to these door knockers, they run like hell. All this talk about the future is madness. Don't yall have a life? From E.T.'s Keyboard... Are We Alone in the Universe? ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 9/2/2016 1:42 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi Folks, Just going to add a thought in here. Any one thought about the future and what's going to happen in it? If everyones getting upset because apple have made the first move towards getting rid of the headphone jack in devices then what the hell is going to happen next, Well if this feedback we're reading is anything to go by the world for blind people will end! Remember things change for the good and the bad in life, But what ever happens the majority of people work on and get over the bridges that spring up in front of us. Till now I prefer headphones with the 3.5 mil jack as they're small and easy to put in a pocket to carry around, If I have to put an adaptor in my pocket or bag or what ever then I'm going to have to do it. But lets face it we don't really know what apple will do till they do it and they may have a really genius idea as a replacement for the headphones we've had up till now. Which I have to admit I have about 6 pair never used sitting in a box of extras so at least at this point I've got spares for my notebook and ipad till they change also. And they could change things again yet to USB C Just thinking out of the box, Try thinking about now and not about tomorrow, you might not make it, no one can actually tell. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 2:06 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven Adding one tiny bit of gear to carry around is going to be a giant issue? Good grief. I wonder how much impact that will have on me when I lug around 15-20 pounds of gear on a regular basis. This little adapter just might be the straw that breaks my back. (smiles) From E.T.'s Keyboard... Are We Alone in the Universe? ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 9/1/2016 6:08 AM, Kimber Gardner wrote: You're sort of missing the point, I think. The point being that most people (me included) don't think they should have to carry extra bits around to do something as basic as plug in a set of earphones. On 9/1/16, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote: Hi. I use Bluetooth stereo headphones so this new revelation doesn’t effect me. I wouldn’t even carry an adaptor around with me because I’m not one for carrying extra bits around just to accomplish a simple task like wanting to plug your headphones in. On 31 Aug 2016, at 13:29, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com> wrote: hey all, I know there have been many leaks of supposed schematics and things on the new iPhone seven and if or not it will have a 3.5mm jack. The latest leak I believe has credence. In the box with the iPhone seven, you will get a lightning to 3.5 mm adapter witch is what i guessed apple would do if they did take the jack from the phone. If this is indeed the case I am quite satisfied because at least they have made an adapter readily available. Michael To post messages to this group, please use the following address: mac-acc...@mac-access.net To leave the group, please post a blank message to: mac-access-le...@mac-access.net If, at a later time, you wish to rejoin the group, please subscribe by posting to: mac-access-j...@mac-access.net To enable/disable Digest mode, please post to: mac-access-dig...@mac-access.net Please remember to keep your subscriber options current. We are not responsible should things go amiss when, for example, you change E-Mail addresses. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@goo
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away first came out, Jonathan wrote a very impassioned piece >>>> on this subject, arguing that this was a very bad idea because of the use >>>> case of hearing aids. Now Apple is going to do it anyway, but they're >>>> offering an adapter. Why doesn't that solve the problem? I understand why >>>> Bluetooth is not a good alternative, given Jonathan's comments on battery >>>> drain and the well-known problem for voiceover users with latency. It's >>>> still really bad, at least on my phone with my legend. I would not want >>>> to have to type on that system for anything more than a word or two, >>>> because the latency between when you touch a letter and when you hear it >>>> is much too long. >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net >>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always. Here’s >>>>> another point to consider, suppose we add wireless charging. Now, you >>>>> could have a brick with no ports what so ever formed from one solid piece >>>>> of material. You could almost grow the casing and have a super durable >>>>> waterproof phone with no openings at all. The entire surface could be a >>>>> screen. Not needing ports is a good thing over all. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>>>>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage >>>>>> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if >>>>>> the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with >>>>>> the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it >>>>>> possible for people to use other headphones. Given the prevalence of >>>>>> Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be >>>>>> gone from iPhones forever. Other device makers are already moving in >>>>>> this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not be the >>>>>> first ones to market without a headphone jack on the phone. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts >>>>>>> the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the >>>>>>> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory >>>>>>> to its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, >>>>>>> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept >>>>>>> those features. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS >>>>>>> devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users >>>>>>> upon attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy >>>>>>> and vowed to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use >>>>>>> iTunes in order to manage photos. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this >>>>>>> feature in the subsequent release of iTunes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something >>>>>>> tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >&
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Hello all. I'm going to address several messages at once on this thread. Jonathan: you are 100% correct about the access issue for those of us who wear hearing aids and who are blind. Sadly, the market is rarely designed wit our needs being considered because, as you say, we're such a small minority. And within that minority, how many of us are actively reading online articles and tracking tech trends to even push this issue forward? I, too, have utilized my contacts at Apple to try and make them aware of this issue. While I doubt we will reverse hardware development, perhaps they will at least give our user case some consideration and may figure out a way to address it. Without going in to detail, it does seem that bluetooth audio in iOS 10 is a bit less laggy, but we still have all of the other issues you mentioned concerning battery life and so on. Mike: regarding your question of Android accessibility, since I think it's somewhat relevant to this discussion, my issue isn't so much with TalkBack, but with BrailleBack. As someone who has taken to primarily accessing my devices through braille displays, Android has a long long way to go in terms of giving equal access to the operating system. TalkBack has certainly come a long way, but BrailleBack has not. I have passed along numerous bits of feedback to Google on this issue, and all the responses are get are things like: then stick with iOS. Now the standard response seems to be that since BrailleBack is open source, Google expects someone else to solve their problems for them. You can have decent braille access on Android if you wish to shell out a few grand for a BrailleNote Touch which is already running an outdated version of the OS, but this, too, has many limitations. Thanks for reading, Scott On 9/2/16, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: > Well, I've gotten rather into Android and Linux a lot lately, although I > still use my iPhone for reading email until I can find a mod for my > device that'll give me Android 6 or 7, so if Apple does something I > don't like, I have options I can turn to. > > > On 09/02/2016 04:06 AM, Portia Scott wrote: >> Yes, it will be interesting to see, For me as well. I am not one of those >> who buy the latest and greatest Devices right away anymore, either. LOL. I >> used to be, but I have grown a lot, and learned not to be like that >> anymore. As people say, only time will tell what happens. >> >> Take care, and have a wonderful day. >> >> Portia. >>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:22 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >>> >>> I will be interested to see the headphones they have with the new phones >>> when they are released. >>> >>> I use my current ones for pretty much everything when I'm out and about >>> including using my MBA so people don't hear it talking or so I can hear >>> things with out the surrounding noises >>> >>> If these new phones are some new form of BT then I'll be happy if they >>> can connect to multiple devices such as my iPhone iPad and MBA. >>> Oh and my watch. >>> >>> Cheers. >>> >>> >>> Simon F >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin >>> Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 12:59 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>> iPhone seven >>> >>> I Agree >>> With YourAssessment >>> >>> TimeWillTell >>> >>> If TheRemoval of the iPhone's HeadSet Jack deters Users from >>> PurchasingIt >>> >>> Exluding the Normal AppleFan >>> >>> Meaning WhetherOrNot Sales Pummet RatherQuickly At 11:15 PM 8/31/2016, >>> you wrote: >>>> Hello Mary, >>>> >>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >>>> companies pay attention. >>>> >>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically >>>> ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, >>>> I'm not so certain that just because it decides something it better >>>> will make it so. >>>> >>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it >>>> would change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my >>>> world hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >
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Jobbs, the market, plays an >>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have alternatives >>> and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that companies pay >>> attention. >>> >>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous >>> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so >>> certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so. >>> >>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would >>> change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my world hasn't >>> changed one bit either with or without it. >>> >>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to follow >>> Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of Samsung >>> recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it follows." >>> >>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately for >>> me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device >>> just because it is the latest. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>> iPhone seven >>> >>> Hi Mark, >>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage >>> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the >>> other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the >>> new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use >>> other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect >>> that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other >>> device makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. >>> In fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack >>> on the phone. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the >>>> new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>>> >>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the >>>> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to >>>> its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, >>>> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept >>>> those features. >>>> >>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS >>>> devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users upon >>>> attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed >>>> to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in >>>> order to manage photos. >>>> >>>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature >>>> in the subsequent release of iTunes. >>>> >>>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something >>>> tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM >>>> To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List >>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>>> iPhone seven >>>> >>>> When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the e
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r the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more viable >>> for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm really going >>> to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then because there is >>> certainly going to be a backlash. >>> Jonathan Mosen >>> Mosen Consulting >>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Mary, >>>> >>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >>>> companies pay attention. >>>> >>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous >>>> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so >>>> certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so. >>>> >>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would >>>> change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my world >>>> hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >>>> >>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to >>>> follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of >>>> Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it >>>> follows." >>>> >>>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately for >>>> me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device >>>> just because it is the latest. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>>> iPhone seven >>>> >>>> Hi Mark, >>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage >>>> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if >>>> the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with >>>> the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use >>>> other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect >>>> that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other >>>> device makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just >>>> Apple. In fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a >>>> headphone jack on the phone. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the >>>>> new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>>>> >>>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the >>>>> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to >>>>> its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, >>>>> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept >>>>> those features. >>>>> >>>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS >>>>> devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users >>>>> upon attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and >>>>> vowed to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use >>>&
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o improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and >>>>> it's difficult to get through an entire business day of use without the >>>>> need to charge something. >>>>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then >>>>> charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, >>>>> selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, >>>>> which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of >>>>> honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its >>>>> accessibility market. >>>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And >>>>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in >>>>> time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully >>>>> managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on its >>>>> iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer on its >>>>> own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use the >>>>> Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones >>>>> you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you don't mind >>>>> having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge your phone >>>>> with. Absolutely absurd. >>>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking >>>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more >>>>> viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm >>>>> really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then >>>>> because there is certainly going to be a backlash. >>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>>> Mosen Consulting >>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>>>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Mary, >>>>>> >>>>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >>>>>> companies pay attention. >>>>>> >>>>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically >>>>>> ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, >>>>>> I'm not so certain that just because it decides something it better will >>>>>> make it so. >>>>>> >>>>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it >>>>>> would change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my >>>>>> world hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to >>>>>> follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of >>>>>> Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when >>>>>> it follows." >>>>>> >>>>>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately >>>>>> for me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest >>>>>> device just because it is the latest. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>>>>> iPhone seven >>>>>>
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Well, I've gotten rather into Android and Linux a lot lately, although I still use my iPhone for reading email until I can find a mod for my device that'll give me Android 6 or 7, so if Apple does something I don't like, I have options I can turn to. On 09/02/2016 04:06 AM, Portia Scott wrote: Yes, it will be interesting to see, For me as well. I am not one of those who buy the latest and greatest Devices right away anymore, either. LOL. I used to be, but I have grown a lot, and learned not to be like that anymore. As people say, only time will tell what happens. Take care, and have a wonderful day. Portia. On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:22 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: I will be interested to see the headphones they have with the new phones when they are released. I use my current ones for pretty much everything when I'm out and about including using my MBA so people don't hear it talking or so I can hear things with out the surrounding noises If these new phones are some new form of BT then I'll be happy if they can connect to multiple devices such as my iPhone iPad and MBA. Oh and my watch. Cheers. Simon F -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 12:59 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven I Agree With YourAssessment TimeWillTell If TheRemoval of the iPhone's HeadSet Jack deters Users from PurchasingIt Exluding the Normal AppleFan Meaning WhetherOrNot Sales Pummet RatherQuickly At 11:15 PM 8/31/2016, you wrote: Hello Mary, My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that companies pay attention. Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so. I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my world hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it follows." My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately for me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device just because it is the latest. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven Hi Mark, Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack on the phone. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept those features. A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users upon attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in order to manage photos. Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature in the subsequent release of iTunes. So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik Sent: Wednesday, A
Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
Yes, it will be interesting to see, For me as well. I am not one of those who buy the latest and greatest Devices right away anymore, either. LOL. I used to be, but I have grown a lot, and learned not to be like that anymore. As people say, only time will tell what happens. Take care, and have a wonderful day. Portia. > On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:22 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > I will be interested to see the headphones they have with the new phones when > they are released. > > I use my current ones for pretty much everything when I'm out and about > including using my MBA so people don't hear it talking or so I can hear > things with out the surrounding noises > > If these new phones are some new form of BT then I'll be happy if they can > connect to multiple devices such as my iPhone iPad and MBA. > Oh and my watch. > > Cheers. > > > Simon F > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin > Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 12:59 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the > iPhone seven > > I Agree > With YourAssessment > > TimeWillTell > > If TheRemoval of the iPhone's HeadSet Jack deters Users from PurchasingIt > > Exluding the Normal AppleFan > > Meaning WhetherOrNot Sales Pummet RatherQuickly At 11:15 PM 8/31/2016, you > wrote: >> Hello Mary, >> >> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >> companies pay attention. >> >> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically >> ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, >> I'm not so certain that just because it decides something it better >> will make it so. >> >> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it >> would change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my >> world hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >> >> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to >> follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of >> Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when >> it follows." >> >> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately >> for me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest >> device just because it is the latest. >> >> Mark >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding >> 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven >> >> Hi Mark, >> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >> disappearing headphone jack. >> For one thing, Samsung put back the storage card thing, but did not put >> back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the other rumor is true, >> Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the new phone, as well >> as an adapter to make it possible for people to use other headphones. >> Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the >> headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device >> makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In >> fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone >> jack on the phone. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and >> see how the market accepts the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>> >>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices >> thinner by (1) removing the removable battery and (2) removing the >> ability to add auxiliary memory to its flagship phones, it soon >> reversed its decision as the market, effectively, rejected the devices >> in favor of other companies who kept those features. >>> >>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to >> remove the ability for iOS devices to have their photo content >> immediately available to PC users upon attaching the device to the >> computer, the marketplace went crazy an
RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
Jonathan, I can see what your saying however are you not pushing things looking at legal options when other options are available to yo. I would think that if people put it to apple abot the adaptor needing a lightening port for charging while using the headphone jack surely they would realise why the option is required. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 7:07 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven Hi Mary, unfortunately this issue doesn't affect the Deaf community in the same way as it affects blind people who wear hearing aids and require decent latency. And the fact that those of us who are affected are such a minority makes us more vulnerable. You can be sure I am considering my legal options under legislation here. A standard hearing aid wearer uses their phone actively far less than a blind person who wears a hearing aid. For example, if a Bluetooth solution is being used, after a standard hearing aid wearer has finished their call or isn't listening to music, the technology goes into standby and uses very little energy. A blind person has VO talking a lot of the time if they're using their device for tasks like reading and creating documents, email etc, so the impact is much greater. Even if people are willing to accept an adapter jutting out of their phone with its resultant potential to be lost or bent, the adapter will not solve the problem entirely if it means that you can't charge your device and use headphones at the same time. I travel long distances for example, often with flights over 12 hours long. I regularly take my Anka battery with me and charge the phone while I use it to compensate for the inaccessible in-flight entertainment system. It's important to me to have a full charge when I reach my destination. Based on the information we have, it looks like you can either listen to wired headphones or charge, not both. That means that every VoiceOver user who chooses a wired option appears to have to choose between privacy and charge. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org<http://mosen.org> On 2/09/2016, at 4:41 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: Well, just to be clear, I personally would be against this move, if it means that they' very large hard of hearing community can't use hearing aids on iPhones anymore. That seems like such an incredibly stupid move on Apple's part, that I am tempted to just believe that they wouldn't do it if they didn't have a workaround that would work for people who use hearing aids. The hard of hearing community is orders of magnitude larger then the blind community. So Shirley, this adapter must be providing someway for people who use hearing aids to keep on doing so. What am I missing here? I remember sometime ago, when the idea that the headphone jack would go away first came out, Jonathan wrote a very impassioned piece on this subject, arguing that this was a very bad idea because of the use case of hearing aids. Now Apple is going to do it anyway, but they're offering an adapter. Why doesn't that solve the problem? I understand why Bluetooth is not a good alternative, given Jonathan's comments on battery drain and the well-known problem for voiceover users with latency. It's still really bad, at least on my phone with my legend. I would not want to have to type on that system for anything more than a word or two, because the latency between when you touch a letter and when you hear it is much too long. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always. Here’s another point to consider, suppose we add wireless charging. Now, you could have a brick with no ports what so ever formed from one solid piece of material. You could almost grow the casing and have a super durable waterproof phone with no openings at all. The entire surface could be a screen. Not needing ports is a good thing over all. On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Mark, Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device makers are already moving
RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
I also have this watch and the only thing I have against it is I forget to set it in meetings to not ring if I get a call. I'd really like to see a new version have a sim card slot so I could use the watch as an independent device without the phone. Or even you get both options. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 6:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven Hi Mary I have the Apple Watch Sport myself and like it a lot. Yes, watchOS 3.0 will have some great new accessibility features, but for now you can turn a setting off that wakes the screen when you raise your wrist. I have done this, and the watch no longer interrupts my daily living. I can dine for example and the watch will not go off. The setting can be found under general > wake screen. > On 1 Sep 2016, at 17:50, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I guess I'm still with the folks who haven't really seen the utility, or at > least the really over whelming use case for having the watch. Perhaps the > next iteration will change my mind. Admittedly one reason for my reluctance > on this score has been the fact that I am probably one of the few people who > still uses a braille watch. I despise talking time devices that go off at the > most inopportune times, such as during a meeting at Cetera. With the new 2.0, > will be getting the ability to have the vibrating feedback to tell the time. > So that is a step in the right direction. I guess I just haven't seen the > killer use case yet. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >> >> You have to get a watch to get it but I find my absolutely critical now. >> It’s so nice to be able to quickly flick and get the latest pop on your >> watch or be able to walk away from your phone and just access quick data >> nicely on your wrist. For sited users, being able to glance down say while >> driving even or in various settings where you don’t want to break your focus >> for a full look at your phone. >> Another nice set of features are the health features. Even a gentle tap >> on the wrist to just stand up and move around and stretch hourly or >> motivation to meet your workout goals. >> You can quick respond again from your wrist to messages or take a quick >> call. It’s hard to explain. Also, the Apple watch is more independent than >> people think. Since version 2.1 I believe it was given WiFi functions so it >> can join your home network or other WiFi networks with some caveats and work >> independently from the phone including placing and receiving calls if your >> carrier supports WiFi calling which my carrier does fully. >> To be clear, I was with you and then I got one as a gift and now I don’t >> know what I’d do with out it and I’m dead excited to see watch 2.0 next week. >> >> >> >>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >>> >>> I've never really understood the point of the Apple watch, sure it can run >>> apps, but so what, my phone does that, and the watch requires a phone >>> connection to do most things anyway, totally redundant. >>> Original message: >>>> Hello Mary, >>> >>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >>>> companies pay attention. >>> >>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous >>>> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so >>>> certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so. >>> >>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would >>>> change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my world >>>> hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >>> >>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to >>>> follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of >>>> Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it >>>> follows." >>> >>>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately for >>>> me
RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
Hi Mary, I’m not a hearing aid user but surely the adaptor is going to allow them to use the aids with the phone? However what's going to happen when your using the adaptor plugged in to the lightening port and you have your headphones plugged in to the adaptor also and then you want to charge your device? Will the adaptor have a second lightening port to allow for charging while using? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 4:42 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven Well, just to be clear, I personally would be against this move, if it means that they' very large hard of hearing community can't use hearing aids on iPhones anymore. That seems like such an incredibly stupid move on Apple's part, that I am tempted to just believe that they wouldn't do it if they didn't have a workaround that would work for people who use hearing aids. The hard of hearing community is orders of magnitude larger then the blind community. So Shirley, this adapter must be providing someway for people who use hearing aids to keep on doing so. What am I missing here? I remember sometime ago, when the idea that the headphone jack would go away first came out, Jonathan wrote a very impassioned piece on this subject, arguing that this was a very bad idea because of the use case of hearing aids. Now Apple is going to do it anyway, but they're offering an adapter. Why doesn't that solve the problem? I understand why Bluetooth is not a good alternative, given Jonathan's comments on battery drain and the well-known problem for voiceover users with latency. It's still really bad, at least on my phone with my Plantronics legend. I would not want to have to type on that system for anything more than a word or two, because the latency between when you touch a letter and when you hear it is much too long. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: > > Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always. Here’s another > point to consider, suppose we add wireless charging. Now, you could have a > brick with no ports what so ever formed from one solid piece of material. > You could almost grow the casing and have a super durable waterproof phone > with no openings at all. The entire surface could be a screen. Not needing > ports is a good thing over all. > > > >> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Mark, >> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage >> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the >> other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the new >> phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use other >> headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the >> headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device >> makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In >> fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack on >> the phone. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the >>> new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>> >>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the >>> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to >>> its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, >>> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept >>> those features. >>> >>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS >>> devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users upon >>> attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed >>> to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in >>> order to manage photos. >>> >>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature >>> in the subsequent release of iTunes. >>> >>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something tells >>> me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> -Ori
RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
Hi Folks, Just going to add a thought in here. Any one thought about the future and what's going to happen in it? If everyones getting upset because apple have made the first move towards getting rid of the headphone jack in devices then what the hell is going to happen next, Well if this feedback we're reading is anything to go by the world for blind people will end! Remember things change for the good and the bad in life, But what ever happens the majority of people work on and get over the bridges that spring up in front of us. Till now I prefer headphones with the 3.5 mil jack as they're small and easy to put in a pocket to carry around, If I have to put an adaptor in my pocket or bag or what ever then I'm going to have to do it. But lets face it we don't really know what apple will do till they do it and they may have a really genius idea as a replacement for the headphones we've had up till now. Which I have to admit I have about 6 pair never used sitting in a box of extras so at least at this point I've got spares for my notebook and ipad till they change also. And they could change things again yet to USB C Just thinking out of the box, Try thinking about now and not about tomorrow, you might not make it, no one can actually tell. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 2:06 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven Adding one tiny bit of gear to carry around is going to be a giant issue? Good grief. I wonder how much impact that will have on me when I lug around 15-20 pounds of gear on a regular basis. This little adapter just might be the straw that breaks my back. (smiles) From E.T.'s Keyboard... Are We Alone in the Universe? ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 9/1/2016 6:08 AM, Kimber Gardner wrote: > You're sort of missing the point, I think. The point being that most > people (me included) don't think they should have to carry extra bits > around to do something as basic as plug in a set of earphones. > > On 9/1/16, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote: >> Hi. I use Bluetooth stereo headphones so this new revelation doesn’t >> effect me. I wouldn’t even carry an adaptor around with me because >> I’m not one for carrying extra bits around just to accomplish a >> simple task like wanting to plug your headphones in. >>> On 31 Aug 2016, at 13:29, Michael Marshall >>> <mightymaggie...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> hey all, >>> I know there have been many leaks of supposed schematics and things >>> on the new iPhone seven and if or not it will have a 3.5mm jack. >>> The latest leak I believe has credence. >>> In the box with the iPhone seven, you will get a lightning to 3.5 mm >>> adapter witch is what i guessed apple would do if they did take the >>> jack from the phone. >>> If this is indeed the case I am quite satisfied because at least >>> they have made an adapter readily available. >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> To post messages to this group, please use the following address: >>> mac-acc...@mac-access.net >>> To leave the group, please post a blank message to: >>> mac-access-le...@mac-access.net >>> If, at a later time, you wish to rejoin the group, please subscribe >>> by posting to: >>> mac-access-j...@mac-access.net >>> >>> To enable/disable Digest mode, please post to: >>> mac-access-dig...@mac-access.net >>> >>> Please remember to keep your subscriber options current. We are not >>> responsible should things go amiss when, for example, you change >>> E-Mail addresses. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>> itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups &
RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
If you try using one you might actually change your mind about that. And if the idea of putting a sim card in to a watch comes true with the next version then phone gone. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 2:01 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven I've never really understood the point of the Apple watch, sure it can run apps, but so what, my phone does that, and the watch requires a phone connection to do most things anyway, totally redundant. Original message: > Hello Mary, > My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an > active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have > alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that > companies pay attention. > Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically > ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, > I'm not so certain that just because it decides something it better > will make it so. > I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it > would change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my > world hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. > As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to > follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of > Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when > it follows." > My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately > for me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest > device just because it is the latest. > Mark > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on > the iPhone seven > Hi Mark, > Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the > disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the > storage card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. > Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible > earbuds with the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible > for people to use other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth > these days, I suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be gone > from iPhones forever. Other device makers are already moving in this > direction. So it isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not be the first > ones to market without a headphone jack on the phone. > Sent from my iPhone >> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts >> the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the >> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory >> to its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, >> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept >> those features. >> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS >> devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users >> upon attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy >> and vowed to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use >> iTunes in order to manage photos. >> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this >> feature in the subsequent release of iTunes. >> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something >> tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). >> Mark >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik >> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM >> To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List >> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on >> the iPhone seven >> When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone jack first >> appeared I was certain they (Apple) was going to provide an adapter so >> potential customers would be able to use their existing earphones with >> the iPhone 7. This coming to light does not surprise me in the least. >> >> - Bill & Leader Dog Holland >> - "The probl
RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven
I will be interested to see the headphones they have with the new phones when they are released. I use my current ones for pretty much everything when I'm out and about including using my MBA so people don't hear it talking or so I can hear things with out the surrounding noises If these new phones are some new form of BT then I'll be happy if they can connect to multiple devices such as my iPhone iPad and MBA. Oh and my watch. Cheers. Simon F -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 12:59 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven I Agree With YourAssessment TimeWillTell If TheRemoval of the iPhone's HeadSet Jack deters Users from PurchasingIt Exluding the Normal AppleFan Meaning WhetherOrNot Sales Pummet RatherQuickly At 11:15 PM 8/31/2016, you wrote: >Hello Mary, > >My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >companies pay attention. > >Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically >ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, >I'm not so certain that just because it decides something it better >will make it so. > >I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it >would change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my >world hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. > >As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to >follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of >Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when >it follows." > >My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately >for me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest >device just because it is the latest. > >Mark > >-Original Message- >From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding >3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven > >Hi Mark, >Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >disappearing headphone jack. >For one thing, Samsung put back the storage card thing, but did not put >back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the other rumor is true, >Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the new phone, as well >as an adapter to make it possible for people to use other headphones. >Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the >headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device >makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In >fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone >jack on the phone. > > >Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: > > > > Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and > see how the market accepts the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. > > > > When Samsung attempted to make its devices > thinner by (1) removing the removable battery and (2) removing the > ability to add auxiliary memory to its flagship phones, it soon > reversed its decision as the market, effectively, rejected the devices > in favor of other companies who kept those features. > > > > A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to > remove the ability for iOS devices to have their photo content > immediately available to PC users upon attaching the device to the > computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed to turn to Android if > Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in order to manage > photos. > > > > Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed > itself by restoring this feature in the subsequent release of iTunes. > > > > So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a > complete hit, something tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack > back (smile). > > > > Mark > > > > -Original Message- > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik > > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM > > To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List > > Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours > regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven > > > > When all the “hubbub†concerning Apple > removing the earphone jack fi
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ing too many people. Perhaps, in >>>> time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully >>>> managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on its >>>> iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer on its >>>> own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use the >>>> Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones >>>> you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you don't mind >>>> having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge your phone >>>> with. Absolutely absurd. >>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking >>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more >>>> viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm >>>> really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then >>>> because there is certainly going to be a backlash. >>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>> Mosen Consulting >>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>> http://Mosen.org >>>> >>>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello Mary, >>>>> >>>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >>>>> companies pay attention. >>>>> >>>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically >>>>> ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, >>>>> I'm not so certain that just because it decides something it better will >>>>> make it so. >>>>> >>>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would >>>>> change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my world >>>>> hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >>>>> >>>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to >>>>> follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of >>>>> Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it >>>>> follows." >>>>> >>>>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately for >>>>> me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device >>>>> just because it is the latest. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>>>> iPhone seven >>>>> >>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>>>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage >>>>> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if >>>>> the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with >>>>> the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to >>>>> use other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I >>>>> suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones >>>>> forever. Other device makers are already moving in this direction. So it >>>>> isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not be the first ones to market >>>>> without a headphone jack on the phone. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts >>>>>> the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>>>>> >>>>>>
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r the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more viable >>> for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm really going >>> to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then because there is >>> certainly going to be a backlash. >>> Jonathan Mosen >>> Mosen Consulting >>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Mary, >>>> >>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >>>> companies pay attention. >>>> >>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous >>>> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so >>>> certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so. >>>> >>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would >>>> change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my world >>>> hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >>>> >>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to >>>> follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of >>>> Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it >>>> follows." >>>> >>>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately for >>>> me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device >>>> just because it is the latest. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>>> iPhone seven >>>> >>>> Hi Mark, >>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage >>>> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if >>>> the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with >>>> the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use >>>> other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect >>>> that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other >>>> device makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just >>>> Apple. In fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a >>>> headphone jack on the phone. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the >>>>> new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>>>> >>>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the >>>>> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to >>>>> its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, >>>>> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept >>>>> those features. >>>>> >>>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS >>>>> devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users >>>>> upon attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and >>>>> vowed to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to
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>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have alternatives >>> and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that companies pay >>> attention. >>> >>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous >>> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so >>> certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so. >>> >>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would >>> change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my world hasn't >>> changed one bit either with or without it. >>> >>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to follow >>> Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of Samsung >>> recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it follows." >>> >>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately for >>> me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device >>> just because it is the latest. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>> iPhone seven >>> >>> Hi Mark, >>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage >>> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the >>> other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the >>> new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use >>> other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect >>> that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other >>> device makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. >>> In fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack >>> on the phone. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the >>>> new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>>> >>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the >>>> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to >>>> its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, >>>> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept >>>> those features. >>>> >>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS >>>> devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users upon >>>> attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed >>>> to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in >>>> order to manage photos. >>>> >>>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature >>>> in the subsequent release of iTunes. >>>> >>>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something >>>> tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM >>>> To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List >>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>>> iPhone seven >>>> >>>> When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone jack first >>>> appeared I was certain they (Apple) was going to provide an adapter so >>>> potential customers would be able to use their existing earphones with the >>>> iPhone 7. This coming to light does not surprise me in the least. >>>
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in the coming future. As one of the executives of Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it follows." My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately for me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device just because it is the latest. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven Hi Mark, Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack on the phone. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept those features. A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users upon attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in order to manage photos. Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature in the subsequent release of iTunes. So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone jack first appeared I was certain they (Apple) was going to provide an adapter so potential customers would be able to use their existing earphones with the iPhone 7. This coming to light does not surprise me in the least. - Bill & Leader Dog Holland - "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure they are going to have some pretty annoying virtues." - Elizabeth Taylor, 20th Century Screen Actress, (1932-2011)-- -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for th
