Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored

[Eric Sharakan via mailmate]

On 30 Jan 2024, at 17:33, Bill Cole wrote:

> On 2024-01-30 at 14:32:34 UTC-0500 (Tue, 30 Jan 2024 20:32:34 +0100)
> Sven Klages 
> is rumored to have said:
>
> [...]
>> When using smart mailboxes as proposed in the comments of your bug report, I 
>> do have one type/color per smart folder, that’s not the same … did I get it 
>> right?
>
> Yes, but I think that you are missing the fact that you can create a smart 
> mailbox aggregating the messages of other (colored-message) smart mailboxes. 
> The messages keep the color assigned by the parent mailbox.

Right, all you need to do is create smart mailboxes containing the conditions 
you want for coloring the messages. Then, use the Mailbox->Color submenu to 
choose a color for that mailbox, and also select "Use Color in Message List". 
Your chosen color will be applied not only to the messages in your smart 
mailbox, but also to the original messages, wherever they reside.

It's totally flexible and has been working great for me.

-Eric
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Re: [MlMt] Longtime user struggling with version

[Eric Sharakan via mailmate]

On 29 Jan 2024, at 11:34, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:

> Hi Henry and Erik,
>
> Thanks for your replies! I appreciate the detail. I did go to the download 
> page and downloaded r6019. Thanks for that link. I had forgotten about that 
> page. Running r6019 seemed to launch faster, though still hobbled my system 
> for about 8-10 minutes before everything started running smoothly. I’ll try 
> it for a couple days. It seems stable (so far) once running.

I'm guessing MM decided to re-index your emails, and that took 8-10 minutes.  
Hopefully now that that's done, you'll have no further cases of it bogging down 
your system.

>
> One note of interest, the ‘Check for test Build’ still gives me “You are 
> using a prerelease. 5673 is the latest version available. You have version 
> 6019. Downgrade to 5673 / OK”

Are you sure you were holding down the option key when you clicked "check Now"? 
 When I do, I get told that 6016 is the latest test version.  If I don't hold 
use the option key, then I get told 5673 is the latest.

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Re: [MlMt] Longtime user struggling with version

[Eric Sharakan via mailmate]

Hi Verdon, there's a known issue with users getting kicked off the 
mailing list.  It seems to mostly impact folks with gmail addresses.  
After I got silently kicked off twice, I switched to using my iCloud 
email and haven't had a problem since.


Also, I agree 100% with Henry, grab a more recent version. Although they 
might be labeled "test" versions, there have been many bug fixes 
implemented by Benny since the last "official" release.  The simplest 
way to get it is to hold down the option key while clicking the "Check 
Now" button in MM's Software Update preference pane.


Regards.

-Eric

On 27 Jan 2024, at 10:46, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:

Hmmm looks like i was somehow unsubscribed from the list. Please see 
the quoted conversations below.


Thanks,
Verdon

On Jan 27, 2024, at 10:40 AM, Verdon Vaillancourt 
 wrote:


Hi,

I initially sent this back in December and never heard anything from 
the collective. I just searched the list archives and couldn’t find 
it there, so thought I would try one more time. I'm beginning to 
wonder if MailMate is still an active project, or if it has run its 
course? Any guidance as to version, discussed below?


Thanks and best wishes,
Verdon



Hi,

Longtime licensed user here, infrequent poster to list.

I am using MM Version 1.14 (5964) with MacOS 14.2 (23C64). To be 
honest, it sucks and has for sometime. Its fine once everything gets 
running, but if I have a crash or a restart, it can take more than 
45 minutes for Mailmate to get running again, and during that time, 
nothing else runs properly on my Mac. Restarts have cost me more 
than an hour in getting a functional system with my apps all up and 
running. Its nasty!


Going to the Mailmate website says I should be running the public 
beta, which I think is what I am running now. If I hold my option 
key and check Mailmate for updates, it tells me I should downgrade 
to 5673. So, before I downgrade, or just go back to Apple Mail, any 
suggestions?


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Re: [MlMt] Sent Messages - Sub folders?

[Eric Sharakan via mailmate]

I have similar under the Sent folder of my iCloud account.  Each one is 
named with a different From address, corresponding to one of the 3 email 
addresses I've used to send mail from that account (@me.com, @mac.com & 
@icloud.com).  It's like a smart mailbox, in that selecting each 
submailbox shows me just the messages I sent using that particular email 
address.  But unlike a Smart Mailbox, their visibility doesn't seem to 
be controlled by the "Submailboxes" settings.


Like Michael, I just close the disclosure triangle and ignore them.

-Eric

On 8 Jan 2024, at 20:29, Michael Nietzold wrote:

I have the same, and at the parent mailbox (folder) of the 
submailboxes are not enabled in the settings, but I can not also 
delete each one.


Since the mails are in the "smart mailbox" (that's the name for the 
folders) only **sorted by logic** and not physically - that means **no 
space is wasted** with this "automatic subfolders" they are only 
calculated "**on the fly**" to show you the folders.


I my case this not bother me and I can click on the chevron to 
collapse this folder and don't see it.



On 8 Jan 2024, at 21:07, devynosbo...@gmail.com wrote:


Hello,

I am brand-new to MailMate (and loving it!). Please excuse this 
beginner question. I searched the archives, but couldn’t find an 
answer.


I have two Gmail accounts set up so far. In one, under Sent Messages, 
what appear to be subfolders have appeared. I don’t know how or why 
these were created. I don’t have the sub folders preference 
selected in General preferences.


[ "2024-01-08 - AM-11-59-23 - screenshot.jpg" ]

What are these and how can I get rid of them? A lot of the options 
for them (such as delete) are greyed out.


Thanks for the help!

Devyn

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Re: [MlMt] IMAP Problem for Account

[Eric Sharakan via mailmate]

I remember this issue has come up on this list before.  IIRC, it was 
related to something that changed on the email provider's side that 
confused MM.


You can search the archives here: 
https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/


-Eric

On 7 Dec 2023, at 11:36, Stephan Bösebeck wrote:

Unfortunately this did not work. I tried also installing an older 
version (5937) - same issue.


It ended up being so bad, that I could not use Mailmate anymore. So I 
removed the source...  that caused errors, that Mailmate could not 
delete some emails.


Then things went sideways. When trying to force delete, MailMate 
crashed. When keeping them, it also kept the account. So I deleted 
them via commandline - the whole account that is.


Then, after staring MailMate again, it was downloading everything and 
it was _then_ fine...


Until I sent an email. I got the UIDVALIDITY-Message more or less 
directly after sending.


I removed the account in total again, this time it worked... so I try 
to add it once more...


I will see, if that helps.









On 7 Dec 2023, at 17:18, i...@techworkspro.com wrote:

I recently found the same problem you reported on MM r6008 
(experimental build). In my case it was an Outlook IMAP account that 
was reporting the error


What I found was that the password on my account’s SMTP settings 
was missing. I checked the Activity monitor first to verify the 
problem, then looked at IMAP Settings to confirm the cause. 
Re-entering the missing password cleared the issue up.


HIH. YMMV, good luck!
Henry
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On Dec 7, 2023, at 10:12, Stephan Bösebeck  
wrote:



Hi,

i am using the latest test-build for some days now, but I have a 
strange error message since today:


IMAP Problem for "XXX" account

The so-called UIDVALIDITY value of the mailbox "Sent" has changed. 
MailMate has to resynchronize the mailbox, that is, purge the local 
cache and refetch the messages of the mailbox.
If this happens often then you should investigate the issue. 
Refetching messages is a very inefficient action.
Note: The option to "Always Resynchronize" only works until MailMate 
is relaunched.
I did that now 3 times and every time it restarts. Can it be related 
to SpamSieve? As this error only happens, if those messages are 
"trained" again...


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Re: [MlMt] MailMate deleting wrong message

[Eric Sharakan via mailmate]

Looks like Benny addressed this issue in the newly available r5999 
version of MM, available at http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/.


You can preview the release notes here: 
https://updates.mailmate-app.com/release_notes_archive/MailMate_r5999.html


Seems to be working for me on my 2019 Intel MBP running Sonoma 14.1.1.  
Still, it goes without saying that the usual caveats apply with these 
early test builds.


-Eric

On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:10, Eric Sharakan via mailmate wrote:

I think I'm seeing something similar.  If there's a message selected 
in the header pane, and I right-click on a different message to 
perform some action (e.g. marking the message as junk), that action 
gets applied to the first selected message, NOT the one I 
right-clicked on.


I'm running r5998, and this one issue has me considering downgrading 
to the last "Benny-approved" test release.


-Eric

On 9 Nov 2023, at 9:50, Dan Romanchik wrote:

Here’s another weird problem that’s started to occur after 
installing 5997. My configuration includes:


  - 2017 iMac with 3 GHz with Intel i5 quad-core processor
  - Ventura 13.6
  - MailMate 1.14 (5997)
  - SpamSieve 3.0.1

When I move a message to junk, MailMate highlights the next message, 
but if I hit the Delete key, it actually deletes the previous 
message.


Regards,

**Dan Romanchik  |  Technology Writer and Blogger**
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Re: [MlMt] No sound after migration

[Eric Sharakan via mailmate]

On 20 Nov 2023, at 10:23, Pierre Igot wrote:

Thanks to Erik Sharakan for his prompt answer. I actually realized 
this myself even before I saw his reply that notifications needed to 
be enabled in System Settings. Everything is fine now.


Ahh, so that's something else to check, in addition to enabling "Play 
user interface sound effects"!


Henry, I wonder if this is your problem too?

-Eric



I don’t REMEMBER seeing MM asking me to enable notifications after I 
installed it. Either it did and I missed it, or it somehow didn’t. 
Oh well. As always, we have Apple’s security theatre to thank for 
this.


Thanks again.

Pierre

On 20 Nov 2023, at 10:57, Pierre Igot wrote:


Hi,

I have had to do a clean install of macOS (14.1) and to reinstall 
MailMate. For the most part, everything is working fine. HOWEVER, 
since the move I find that I am unable to get MailMate to play ANY 
SOUNDS whatsoever. It doesn't play the whoosh sound for messages 
being sent, and it doesn't play any sound for incoming messages.


Yet when I go to MailMate's preferences and check under Counters > 
Sound, there is a sound selected there and if I select it again in 
the popup menu, it plays just fine.


Similarly, in MailMate's preferences, under Composer > Sent Message 
Sound, there is a sound selected there and if I select it again in 
the popup menu, it plays just fine.


So it's not like there cannot be ANY sounds coming from MailMate. 
They play fine in the preference panes. But they don't play (or are 
silenced) while using MailMate.


I have reproduced this with both r5937 and the latest, r5998. I don't 
know what else to try. Sounds play fine elsewhere in macOS, through 
the appropriate channels (general sound output for general sounds and 
specific sound output for sound effects).


Anyone have any suggestions?

TIA

Pierre


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Re: [MlMt] No sound after migration

[Eric Sharakan via mailmate]

Yeah, seems like it (assuming sounds outside of MM are working correctly 
for you).  Though it works for me on MacOS 14.1.1 and MM r5998, an an 
Intel MBP.


-Eric

On 20 Nov 2023, at 10:37, Henry Seiden wrote:


Eric,

My sound settings are set that way (in Settings>Sound>Play User 
interface sound effects”) and still no sound for either incoming or 
outgoing, in MacOS 14.1.1.


I assume then that is a MM thing? Just for fun, I tried turning the 
switch there off and then on again without success.


Respectfully,

Henry Seiden
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On 20 Nov 2023, at 10:07, Eric Sharakan via mailmate wrote:

I believe you need to enable "Play user interface sound effects" in 
the System Settings->Sound preference pane.


I don't like needing to do that, and mentioned so to Benny a long 
time ago.


-Eric

On 20 Nov 2023, at 9:57, Pierre Igot wrote:


Hi,

I have had to do a clean install of macOS (14.1) and to reinstall 
MailMate. For the most part, everything is working fine. HOWEVER, 
since the move I find that I am unable to get MailMate to play ANY 
SOUNDS whatsoever. It doesn't play the whoosh sound for messages 
being sent, and it doesn't play any sound for incoming messages.


Yet when I go to MailMate's preferences and check under Counters > 
Sound, there is a sound selected there and if I select it again in 
the popup menu, it plays just fine.


Similarly, in MailMate's preferences, under Composer > Sent Message 
Sound, there is a sound selected there and if I select it again in 
the popup menu, it plays just fine.


So it's not like there cannot be ANY sounds coming from MailMate. 
They play fine in the preference panes. But they don't play (or are 
silenced) while using MailMate.


I have reproduced this with both r5937 and the latest, r5998. I 
don't know what else to try. Sounds play fine elsewhere in macOS, 
through the appropriate channels (general sound output for general 
sounds and specific sound output for sound effects).


Anyone have any suggestions?

TIA

Pierre


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Re: [MlMt] No sound after migration

[Eric Sharakan via mailmate]

I believe you need to enable "Play user interface sound effects" in the 
System Settings->Sound preference pane.


I don't like needing to do that, and mentioned so to Benny a long time 
ago.


-Eric

On 20 Nov 2023, at 9:57, Pierre Igot wrote:


Hi,

I have had to do a clean install of macOS (14.1) and to reinstall 
MailMate. For the most part, everything is working fine. HOWEVER, 
since the move I find that I am unable to get MailMate to play ANY 
SOUNDS whatsoever. It doesn't play the whoosh sound for messages being 
sent, and it doesn't play any sound for incoming messages.


Yet when I go to MailMate's preferences and check under Counters > 
Sound, there is a sound selected there and if I select it again in the 
popup menu, it plays just fine.


Similarly, in MailMate's preferences, under Composer > Sent Message 
Sound, there is a sound selected there and if I select it again in the 
popup menu, it plays just fine.


So it's not like there cannot be ANY sounds coming from MailMate. They 
play fine in the preference panes. But they don't play (or are 
silenced) while using MailMate.


I have reproduced this with both r5937 and the latest, r5998. I don't 
know what else to try. Sounds play fine elsewhere in macOS, through 
the appropriate channels (general sound output for general sounds and 
specific sound output for sound effects).


Anyone have any suggestions?

TIA

Pierre


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Re: [MlMt] How to forward an HTML email when I get only "Please use HTML browser, cannot display in HTML."

[Eric Sharakan via mailmate]

Could it be that your composer is just not showing the preview pane?  Go 
to MM's preferences, and under the composer tab, make sure "Preview: 
display" is to either "when generating HTML" or "always".  Then when you 
forward (or reply to) an HTML email, you should see the preview attached 
to the compose window.  There's an icon on the toolbar to enable and 
disable the preview.


HTH.

-Eric

On 18 Nov 2023, at 22:41, leo wrote:


Hi all

I have received an (HTML) email which renders fine in MailMate, but 
when I want to forward it I get only the following in the forwarding 
draft:




From: ...
To: ...
Subject: ... Date: 17 Nov 2023 22:23:17 +1100

Please use HTML browser, cannot display in HTML.


Any idea how I can forward the content of that message as is (i.e. as 
HTML)?


Thanks for any pointers?

Leo
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Re: [MlMt] MailMate deleting wrong message

[Eric Sharakan via mailmate]

I think I'm seeing something similar.  If there's a message selected in 
the header pane, and I right-click on a different message to perform 
some action (e.g. marking the message as junk), that action gets applied 
to the first selected message, NOT the one I right-clicked on.


I'm running r5998, and this one issue has me considering downgrading to 
the last "Benny-approved" test release.


-Eric

On 9 Nov 2023, at 9:50, Dan Romanchik wrote:

Here’s another weird problem that’s started to occur after 
installing 5997. My configuration includes:


  - 2017 iMac with 3 GHz with Intel i5 quad-core processor
  - Ventura 13.6
  - MailMate 1.14 (5997)
  - SpamSieve 3.0.1

When I move a message to junk, MailMate highlights the next message, 
but if I hit the Delete key, it actually deletes the previous message.


Regards,

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Re: [MlMt] How to reliably move incoming messages to separate mailboxes?

[Eric Sharakan via mailmate]

There's no need to move messages for this coloring feature to work.  
IIRC, all you need to do is create smart mailboxes containing the 
conditions you want for coloring the messages.  Then, use the 
Mailbox->Color submenu to choose a color for that mailbox, and also 
select "Use Color in Message List".  Your chosen color will be applied 
not only to the messages in your smart mailbox, but also to the original 
messages, wherever they reside.


-Eric

On 8 Nov 2023, at 13:02, Pierre Igot wrote:


Hi,

With the elimination in recent versions of MailMate of support for the 
“hidden” feature for colouring messages in the inbox message list 
using a file called Styles.plist, I have been told by Benny that I 
need to use smart mailboxes to apply colours to messages in a combined 
message list.


My problem is that I can only see doing this in a practical fashion by 
using rules to automatically move incoming messages to specific 
(coloured) mailboxes and then by using a smart mailbox to combine the 
contents of these various coloured mailboxes into a single message 
list, with each message retaining the colour of its parent mailbox.


HOWEVER, this only works if my rules for moving incoming messages to 
specific mailboxes works reliably for all messages. But I am finding 
that it doesn’t work reliably. Sometimes incoming messages stay in 
the inbox even though they do meet the criteria of the rule that is 
supposed to move them.


My impression is that this might be because the move action only works 
when messages actually “arrive” in the inbox, and I am assuming 
that this “arriving” state is not always detected because incoming 
messages might arrive in my inbox during a time when MailMate is NOT 
checking for new mail and one of my other devices (iPad, iPhone) IS 
checking for new mail, so that the arrival of these messages is not 
detected by MailMate. (I can “force” MailMate to move these missed 
messages to their destination by manually moving them to another box 
and then back to the inbox, but obviously I cannot keep doing this 
every time MM misses one.)


Is that really what’s going on? Or is there another reason why 
sometimes incoming messages are NOT moved to their respective 
mailboxes even though they do meet the criteria of the rule that is 
supposed to move them?


If my theory is correct, how can I ensure that incoming messages are 
ALWAYS moved from the inbox to their destination mailbox reliably, 
regardless of whether they “arrive” first on my iPhone or iPad 
before showing up in MailMate on my Mac?


Apologies if I am misunderstanding something obvious.

Pierre


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Re: [MlMt] How to reliably move incoming messages to separate mailboxes?

[Eric Sharakan via mailmate]

On 8 Nov 2023, at 13:19, Rob Russell via mailmate wrote:

> On 9 Nov 2023, at 7:02, Pierre Igot wrote:
>
>> With the elimination in recent versions of MailMate of support for the 
>> “hidden” feature for colouring messages in the inbox message list using a 
>> file called Styles.plist,
>
> That's potentially disappointing. Do the recent versions have a direct 
> version of colouring?
>
> Rob

Yes, see Benny's note (with the prefix "Update (Nov, 2022):") here: 
https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672-mailmate/tickets/204-feature-reqest-coloring-in-the-message-list#ticket-204-7

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Re: [MlMt] Why do I get a skinny window?

[Eric Sharakan via mailmate]

Yep, same here.  Thanks for the quick fix Benny!

-Eric

On 15 Sep 2023, at 17:34, Steve Mayer via mailmate wrote:


Verified that things are working again with r5986.

Thanks for the quick turnaround Benny!

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com

On 15 Sep 2023, at 14:12, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 15 Sep 2023, at 21:34, Steve Mayer wrote:

I can definitely say that it was not in r5984 nor r5983.  In fact 
r5985 was the first time I’ve seen this behavior as I use that 
feature all the time.


That makes sense. Ironically, the problem was that MailMate is now 
much better at tracking which mailboxes are needed, but it wrongly 
determined that it no longer needed the dynamically computed content 
of a submailbox if it had not been recently displayed.


(Implementation-wise, the submailboxes feature is still quite a mess, 
but for now I'm resisting an urge to re-implement it.)


I'll remove the update until I've had time to look into it. Sorry 
about the inconvenience.


I believe this particular issue is now fixed in r5986.

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Re: [MlMt] Why do I get a skinny window?

[Eric Sharakan via mailmate]

On 15 Sep 2023, at 8:25, Eric Sharakan wrote:


On 15 Sep 2023, at 8:15, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 15 Sep 2023, at 11:45, Annamarie Pluhar wrote:

It’s annoying. The email message is skinny. Here is [link to 
screenshot.](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/6fgwxwcob0367rt3g2r42/Screenshot-2023-09-15-at-5.40.30-AM.png?rlkey=jsp71knw6f757gnf5pn8wnk4e=0).


This happens when I reboot my computer and start up MM. Any ideas 
how to change this?


But it doesn't happen if you just quit and relaunch MailMate itself? 
(Seems unlikely that a reboot would be necessary to reproduce it.)


In any case, could you try and see if it also happens with the latest 
upload of MailMate: 
http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5985.tbz


If it's still reproducible then write me via Help > Send Feedback an 
we'll debug it together.


(Some users still have a crashing issue with r5984. I don't think 
that is fixed yet, but hopefully I'll figure it out next week. Other 
than that, I believe it's pretty stable.)


Hi Benny, I ran into an issue with the "Tagged" smart mailbox using 
r5985.  It's set to show all messages that have tags, with a 
submailbox for each tag.  The mailbox itself works, and theres a 
sub-mailbox shown for each tag, but none of those submailboxes show 
any content.


I reverted to r5075 and the problem went away.


Oops I meant r5975.


Thanks.

-Eric




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Re: [MlMt] Why do I get a skinny window?

[Eric Sharakan via mailmate]

On 15 Sep 2023, at 8:15, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 15 Sep 2023, at 11:45, Annamarie Pluhar wrote:

It’s annoying. The email message is skinny. Here is [link to 
screenshot.](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/6fgwxwcob0367rt3g2r42/Screenshot-2023-09-15-at-5.40.30-AM.png?rlkey=jsp71knw6f757gnf5pn8wnk4e=0).


This happens when I reboot my computer and start up MM. Any ideas how 
to change this?


But it doesn't happen if you just quit and relaunch MailMate itself? 
(Seems unlikely that a reboot would be necessary to reproduce it.)


In any case, could you try and see if it also happens with the latest 
upload of MailMate: 
http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5985.tbz


If it's still reproducible then write me via Help > Send Feedback an 
we'll debug it together.


(Some users still have a crashing issue with r5984. I don't think that 
is fixed yet, but hopefully I'll figure it out next week. Other than 
that, I believe it's pretty stable.)


Hi Benny, I ran into an issue with the "Tagged" smart mailbox using 
r5985.  It's set to show all messages that have tags, with a submailbox 
for each tag.  The mailbox itself works, and theres a sub-mailbox shown 
for each tag, but none of those submailboxes show any content.


I reverted to r5075 and the problem went away.

Thanks.

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Re: [MlMt] Getting r5978

[Eric Sharakan via mailmate]

On 3 Sep 2023, at 7:27, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

> On 3 Sep 2023, at 12:47, Charlie Clark wrote:
>
>> That's because Benny considers these releases too buggy even for tests.
>
> Just a quick update on this. This is still true, and I'm working hard to get 
> back to something usable. Right now, my own build of MailMate is even worse 
> than r5978. Some times, it is necessary to break things completely in order 
> to properly fix them. I'm sorry it's taking a lot longer than anticipated, 
> but I promise the end result will be an improvement.
>
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> Benny

Hi Benny (and others), I'm currently running r5975 successfully.  I've noticed 
a couple minor issues, which I've reported via the 'Send Feedback...' menu 
item.  Benny, do you want us to report on issues we find on these experimental 
builds, or would it be better if we wait until you release an official test 
build before providing feedback?

Thanks.

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Re: [MlMt] r5978

[Eric Sharakan via mailmate]

On 1 Sep 2023, at 14:44, Steve Mayer via mailmate wrote:

I’m currently using r5978 on Ventura 13.5.1.  I’ve noticed 
something in the latest few test builds related to the status of the 
“Junk State” of the messages.  No matter where or what the message 
is, Right Clicking on the message and choosing “Junk State” always 
shows the ‘Junk’ entry with the checkmark.  I used to be able to 
choose Junk or Not Junk, but I seem unable to be able to modify this 
selection. Anyone else seeing this?


I’m also using the latest SpamSieve if that makes a difference.


Yep, I'm running MM r5975 on Ventura 13.5.1 with SpamSieve and see 
identical symptoms.


-Eric



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[MlMt] r5971?

[Eric Sharakan via mailmate]

Hi, I'm back on the list (with a non-gmail address this time) after getting 
bounced off for the second time in a year.  Looking at the online archives, I 
see some discussion around the latest MM builds (currently at r5971).  Are 
folks happy with this build?  Did I see some concerns around crashing or (worse 
yet IMO) regressions with remembering column settings (which Benny fixed around 
a year ago with r5909 I believe)?

Benny, any comments about whether I should try it?  Like many, I'm still on 
r5964.

Thanks.

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Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut to upgrade to pre-release not working

[Eric Sharakan]

Hi, a bit of a shot in the dark: could it be that because these are not 
"released" test builds from Benny, that the update check logic might not 
be working?  Or perhaps it is working, but just wanting to downgrade you 
to r5950 (which is the latest "released" test build)?


-Eric

On 20 Mar 2023, at 20:47, Chris Jones wrote:

I just tried creating another account on my Mac, this is a clean 
install I did a few days ago and the same thing occurred under this 
user account. It's a brand new user profile that doesn't have any 
legacy profile data laying around and Mailmate starts as if it's a new 
user.


Not sure what to say at this point. Especially since I've updated 
Mailmate once since doing the fresh install. When I updated it I 
downloaded the latest test release from the updates archive page and 
replaced MailMate. So realistically it's a fresh copy of the 
application.


路

-C

On 20 Mar 2023, at 17:20, Henry Seiden wrote:


Chris,

Do you have a way to try it either in a different user on the same 
machine or on a different machine to verify whether it’s the Mac 
hardware or the user settings causing this alone?


I’m thinking it’s not MM. Hane not seen this reported by others 
and I have not had this ever. Although I do remember a different key 
combo bringing up the warning, just not which one (obviously not the 
one you are using apparently).


Respectfully,

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On 20 Mar 2023, at 19:30, Chris Jones wrote:


Hey Henry,

Thanks for your response and feedback. If I go to the menubar and 
click on MailMate and then hold down the ⌥ key, it changes from 
"Check for Update" to "Check for Test Build", so I know the ⌥ key 
is working as it should. But when I click on "Check for Test Build" 
after pressing the ⌥ key, I'm presented with the prompt: "**You 
are Using a Prerelease**".


At the moment I've manually upgraded to version 5958 and yet I'm 
still seeing this which is strange as this never used to happen.


-Chris


On 20 Mar 2023, at 14:11, Henry Seiden wrote:


Chris,

Should be  as you said, ⌥ + Menu> ‘Check Now’ dropdown. It 
works here in both release and beta for me in OS 13.2.1 and 13.3 on 
MM 1.14 5950 and later. Is your keyboard somehow buggered up 
gloving you the codes (maybe ⌘ instead?). You can bring up a 
layout screen to confirm. Open Keyboard Settings to check.


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On 20 Mar 2023, at 15:46, Chris Jones wrote:

I'm not sure if this has to do with restoring my Mac from a 
backup, but I'm not longer able to use the keyboard shortcut ⌥ + 
"Check Now" under the Software Update section 
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Re: [MlMt] How to create a rule which marks certain messages automatically as read?

[Eric Sharakan]

You can "Set Tag/Keyword" as "Seen (Read)".  See screenshot.

-Eric

On 21 Feb 2023, at 2:51, Robert M. Münch wrote:

Hi, seems to be an old topic, and I just found out, that there is 
still no *mark as read* action.


Is there any workaround? For example, I want to automatically mark all 
*out of office* mails as read.


-Robert

On 4 Jan 2019, at 6:40, leo wrote:

How do I create a rule in a mailbox so that certain messages are 
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Re: [MlMt] Custom keybindings file

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I thought I'd done this before (for defining coloring rules, not keybindings), 
so I googled it, and up popped a thread from back in 2014 between you and Benny 
(at https://lists.freron.com/mailmate/2014-March/002177.html) where he says:

> Yes, but it's still the value you need. For smart mailboxes the value is an 
> actual UUID, but for IMAP mailboxes then the IMAP URL is unique in itself. A 
> few standard mailboxes have hardcoded values such as “ARCHIVE”. It's an 
> implementation detail I didn't originally expect to “leak”. Sorry about the 
> confusion.

Since all my coloring rules involved smart mailboxes, I always ended up with 
what looks like a typical UUID when I did the Cmd-C trick on a mailbox.  Doing 
the same thing an an actual IMAP mailbox yields an imap: URL.

Assuming Benny's comment still applies, it seems you are doing it as he 
expects, and perhaps you've uncovered a bug.  Though it's interesting that your 
working keybindings file has all UUIDs; wonder how those were obtained for the 
IMAP mailboxes?

Hopefully Benny will respond with some ideas.  If not, you might want to use 
the Help->Send Feedback... menu item to send mail to him directly.

BTW, you didn't state what version of MM you're running.

-Eric

On 15 Feb 2023, at 22:07, John Cooper wrote:

> I've narrowed down the problem, which arises when imap: UUIDs of IMAP 
> mailboxes are entered. From the manual:
>
>> A mailbox UUID is not always a UUID in a strict sense, but it is always a 
>> unique identifier for a mailbox. It can be one of the > following:
>
>> The UUID of a smart mailbox (as saved in ~/Library/Application 
>> Support/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist)
>> A standard mailbox name such as inbox, archive, drafts, sent, junk, and 
>> trash.
>> A full path for a mailbox within an account such as 
>> imap://y...@imap.example.com/Special
>
> My working keybindings file uses a coded URL for every mailbox, even IMAP 
> mailboxes:
>
> "m" = ( "goToMailbox:", "D95CD39B-3CEB-4060-901F-13732A91044F", 
> "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline" ); // MailMate
>
> But the non-working (revised) keybindings file uses an imap: UUID:
>
> "m" = ( "goToMailbox:", 
> "imap://myaddress%40pobox.com%40mail.pobox.com/INBOX/MailMate", 
> "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline" ); // MailMate
>
> Unfortunately, I can't find a way to obtain the current UUID in the first 
> form -- only the second, which seems to break the keybindings file.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> John Cooper wrote (at 3:34 PM on Wednesday, February 15, 2023):
>
>> I've been trying to edit the custom keybindings file I've been using, but 
>> after I do, no single-key keybindings work. Every key on the keyboard only 
>> yields an error sound.
>>
>> I've checked the syntax, and all the semicolons are there. I can't find any 
>> errors. The file name hasn't changed. The settings haven't changed. The file 
>> permissions haven't changed. The file type should be the same (they're text 
>> files, but the extension is .plist.) The main thing I've done is ensure that 
>> the correct mailbox UUIDs are present; I used copy and paste.
>>
>> Any ideas what could be wrong? I've restored the old keybindings file for 
>> now, but I'd like to make improvements to it.
>>
>> Thanks,
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Re: [MlMt] Copying subject line keeps it selected, causing issues for replies

[Eric Sharakan]

My apologies, the way to reproduce this issue is by right-clicking on the 
subject line of an incoming message, not by selecting and copying it.  It 
doesn't matter which contextual menu option I select, or even if I don't select 
any.  At this point the subject line remains highlighted and "selected" (at 
least as far as how replies are composed) until I quit and restart MM.

-Eric

On 19 Dec 2022, at 8:58, Eric Sharakan wrote:

> Hi Benny and others, on r5933 (and a few of the earlier test releases), if I 
> select the subject line of a message and use Cmd-C to copy it, the subject 
> stays selected, even when switching away from the message and back.  This 
> poses a problem when attempting to reply, as I have the "Only include 
> selected text" option selected, as I get a message in the composer pane that 
> includes just the still-selected subject line.
>
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[MlMt] Copying subject line keeps it selected, causing issues for replies

[Eric Sharakan]

Hi Benny and others, on r5933 (and a few of the earlier test releases), if I 
select the subject line of a message and use Cmd-C to copy it, the subject 
stays selected, even when switching away from the message and back.  This poses 
a problem when attempting to reply, as I have the "Only include selected text" 
option selected, as I get a message in the composer pane that includes just the 
still-selected subject line.

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Re: [MlMt] Recreating an old workflow in MailMate

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On 9 Dec 2022, at 10:44, Zac Belado wrote:


Hello all

I was trying to recreate an old workflow I had for my mailing lists. 
I’ve gone back into the reaches of time and subscribed to a few 
mailing lists and was having a heck of a time trying to get MailMate 
to work the way I used to.


Now, I am totally prepared for someone to say ‘MailMate doesn’t 
work that way’ but…


Typically what I used to do with a mailing list was have a folder that 
I moved messages to when a mailing list message came in. Now I know 
that MailMate has its own Mailing Lists dropdown but I have two 
problems with it


1. It creates lists for anything that it thinks is a mailing list 
including a series of receipts I have from an electronics store I shop 
at

2. It doesn’t remove the message from the mailbox when it arrives.

So its an easier way to see all my mailing list messages but they 
still end up in my mailbox.


What I would like to do is

1. Move the message to a folder or have it appear in a smart folder


If you move the message (either manually of via a rule), then it should 
disappear from your inbox.


Creating a smart mailbox has no impact on where the message actually 
resides.  If you go that route, then what Zvi describes should work.


-Eric


2. Not have it display in my inbox

I can do #1 in my list but the second one is eluding me.

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Re: [MlMt] New Test Build (5929)

[Eric Sharakan]

Hi Michael, test releases are different than beta releases.  The release 
notes for test releases can be found here:


https://updates.mailmate-app.com/test_release_notes

To install test releases, hold the option key down while clicking the 
"Check Now" button in the Software Update preference tab.


-Eric

On 7 Dec 2022, at 17:38, Michael Nietzold wrote:


Where you find the release notes for 5929?

Here only 5918 is described as the newest information:
https://updates.mailmate-app.com/beta_release_notes

On 6 Dec 2022, at 15:05, Henry Seiden wrote:


Hello All,

New Test Build 5929 came up today as available. Benny has new 
features which by the way are NOT backwards compatible regarding 
header and conditions field types as numeric value declarations. Read 
the Release Notes carefully before applying the update.


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Re: [MlMt] Colors in mailbox menu

[Eric Sharakan]

 As an alternative to a keyword, you can set the type to "mailbox", in which 
case there is no keyword; the color is selected based on the contents of the 
chosen mailbox, which can be a smart mailbox (e.g. in your case one that shows 
unread messages).  This gives the feature incredible flexibility.

Benny explains it in the link I sent earlier (including a tip to copy/paste the 
uuid of the chosen mailbox into Styles.plist).

-Eric

On 30 Oct 2022, at 23:07, RANDY ABBOTT wrote:

> What keyword should I use in the Styles.plist file to color unread messages 
> in a mailbox? I tried \\Unseen but that doesn't seem to work.
>
> Also, it seems that choosing Multicolor for Colors doesn't seem to do 
> anything?
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Re: [MlMt] Colors in mailbox menu

[Eric Sharakan]

I've been using this "Styles.plist" based method to have my emails 
colored (based on conditions I choose in specially crafted smart 
mailboxes) for years, and it works great.  I briefly played with the 
contextual menu based mailbox colors, but not the "Use Color in Message 
list" option, as I suspect that would interfere with my Styles.plist 
settings.


The procedure is described by Benny in this MM ticket: 
https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672-mailmate/tickets/204, 
starting with Benny's message dated February 2nd, 2017.


-Eric

On 30 Oct 2022, at 10:42, Edward Thome wrote:


On 30 Oct 2022, at 8:51, aisrael wrote:

Regarding “Use Colour in Message List”, I see a different 
behavior  (I use v5898) : when I right-click on a maibox name 
(whether real or smart), “Use Colour in Message List” is grayed. 
I remember once I was able to change the color (can’t remember 
how), but the only change was the color of the mailbox icon, all the 
messages remained black (or white, depending…).
I would love to be able to change the color of the mails in the 
Message list of any given mailbox. How can I do that?


“Use Colour in Message List” is grayed for me as well. I can still 
get some kind of colorization to work through using both the Hidden 
Preference command in Terminal:


defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmMessageColorsEnabled -bool YES

and through a file named “Styles.plist” located in 
~/Library/Application\ Support/MailMate/


I don’t know if it is standard issue when MailMate starts up the 
first time, or if I was playing around with things that I saw in the 
*Hidden Preferences* portion of the MailMate Help. [When I ?need? to 
procrastinate, I am a tinkerer.]   What mine had in it is:

- - -
{   styles = (
{   type = keyword;
keyword = '\\Flagged';
color = "#00FF00";
fontStyle = "bold";
},
{   type = mailbox;
color = "#00";
uuid = 'INBOX';
fontStyle = "italic"; // boldAndItalic can also be used
},
{   /*disabled = ":true";*/
type = filter;
color = "#FF";
uuid = '0249F96D-9B86-452A-B34A-83D83B0125FE';
},
);
}
- - -
I just changed the first two blocks to:
- - -
{   type = keyword;
keyword = '\\Flagged';
color = “systemRedcolor”;
fontStyle = "bold";
},
{   type = mailbox;
color = "systemBlueColor";
uuid = 'INBOX';
fontStyle = "italic"; // boldAndItalic can also be used
},
- - -
and added
- - -
{   type = mailbox;
color = "systemGreenColor";
uuid = ‘ARCHIVE;
fontStyle = “regular”;
},
- - -
and the message listings in the Inbox are now all blue italic (upon 
restart of MailMate), and the message listing of all flagged messages 
(besides having the flag) are in bold red. The message listing of all 
archived messages are in green, regular font. At first I wondered why 
I would do that, but now I see why. If I look in a smart mailbox, I 
can see by a glance the color of the message listing that some are 
still in the Inbox and some are flagged and some have been archived.


I think that I will take the ‘italic’ off, because the mailbox now 
looks to alarming, which means that I’ll have to procrastinate, and 
start tinkering…and then maybe disable something about MailMate that 
I need. ;-)


All the best,
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Re: [MlMt] Issue renaming mailboxes

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What also works for me is to select the mailbox and hit the 'return' 
key.  That puts it into edit mode.


I'm pretty sure Benny had said this was intentional, as it matches the 
behavior in Finder for renaming a folder.  But that doesn't explain why 
clicking a selected mailbox doesn't also put it in edit mode, as it does 
in Finder.


-Eric

On 26 Oct 2022, at 14:23, Antonio Leding wrote:


I hit send too soon…

I wanted to add that the behavior you describe — Esc + click + edit 
mode - I believe is a bug.  I think the app is designed such that the 
only way to rename a mailbox is to use RC —> Rename Mailbox…


- - -

On 26 Oct 2022, at 11:17, Antonio Leding wrote:

I don’t believe this has ever worked for me.  IIRC, I have always 
needed to RC —> Rename Mailbox…


- - -

On 26 Oct 2022, at 11:15, Tariq Magdon-Ismail wrote:


Hi,

Is renaming a mailbox by clicking on it (i.e. similar to Apple 
Mail/Finder folder renaming behavior) supported? The reason I ask is 
because this hasn't worked for me (recent MM user) with r5895 and 
r5918.


However, today I was going to rename a mailbox (using the "Rename 
Mailbox..." context menu) and then changed my mind and hit Esc to 
exit without making a change. From then on, whenever I click on that 
particular mailbox it goes in to edit mode. Testing the behavior out 
a bit, I noticed that if I actually rename the mailbox this 
click-to-edit behavior won't be enabled (I must exit without 
actually renaming). Also, if I restart MM the behavior resets.


My assumption is that I should be able to click and rename a mailbox 
and so this is a bug. Am I correct?


Regards
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Re: [MlMt] Draft messages are not editable

[Eric Sharakan]

I usually double-click the one-line header summary to get the draft to 
open in a composer window.


-Eric

On 12 Oct 2022, at 14:24, Dave Carpenter wrote:


I’m running v5852.
- - -
Hello all,
When I save a draft message, it appears in the Drafts directory. When 
I open that message it is not editable, nor is the Send icon visible. 
It’s like it is a Received message. I can right-click and choose 
“Edit as New Message…” and then it is both editable and 
sendable.


But this is not the design, is it? Am I the only one that sees this 
MlMt behavior?


When I check for updates, I’m told I’m up-to-date.

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[MlMt] MM jumping to random places in header pane

[Eric Sharakan]

Hi, when switching mailboxes, I'm finding the header pane often ends up in a 
random position, rather than showing my most recent messages.  I've seen this 
happen whether there are new messages in that mailbox or not.  Previously, MM 
would generally jump to the first unread message of a mailbox, or at least have 
the most recent message headers in view.

In case it matters, I use the "Thread Arcs" layout.

This seemed to start right around build r5909, the build in which Benny 
resolved an issue with saving/restoring column state that I had been 
experiencing.

Anyone else seeing this apparent change in behavior in recent test builds?

Thanks.

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Re: [MlMt] Toggling between ‘Reply’ and ‘Reply All’

[Eric Sharakan]

Actually, I'm not seeing this issue on all replies I compose, only some of 
them.  Other than the few examples where this is a problem all being in my 
gmail account, I can't seem to find any pattern.

-Eric

On 4 Oct 2022, at 20:18, Eric Sharakan wrote:

> I'm experiencing the same behavior as Jolin, on version 5920.  The reply 
> arrow in the compose window is grayed out and unclickable, and typing ⌘R just 
> elicits an alert beep.
>
> -Eric
>
> On 3 Oct 2022, at 9:43, i...@techworkspro.com wrote:
>
>> I get a popup every time I click either the arrow or ⌘ R. I can select 
>> either option in that window.
>>
>> FWIW… Would still prefer the old method of single or all direct selection.
>> - -
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>>> On Oct 3, 2022, at 09:38, Jolin Warren 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> In the current version of MailMate, is there a way to toggle a reply 
>>> between ‘Reply’ and ‘Reply All’ after I’ve started writing the message? I 
>>> thought that in previous versions I could hit cmd-R repeatedly to toggle 
>>> whether I was replying just to the sender or to everyone, but that doesn’t 
>>> work now. I sometimes start a reply and then realise I meant to reply to 
>>> everyone (or vice versa) and it’s cumbersome to have to copy, delete the 
>>> reply, start a new one, and paste.
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Re: [MlMt] Toggling between ‘Reply’ and ‘Reply All’

[Eric Sharakan]

I'm experiencing the same behavior as Jolin, on version 5920.  The reply arrow 
in the compose window is grayed out and unclickable, and typing ⌘R just elicits 
an alert beep.

-Eric

On 3 Oct 2022, at 9:43, i...@techworkspro.com wrote:

> I get a popup every time I click either the arrow or ⌘ R. I can select either 
> option in that window.
>
> FWIW… Would still prefer the old method of single or all direct selection.
> - -
> Please excuse the tttapping errors...
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>
>> On Oct 3, 2022, at 09:38, Jolin Warren 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> In the current version of MailMate, is there a way to toggle a reply 
>> between ‘Reply’ and ‘Reply All’ after I’ve started writing the message? I 
>> thought that in previous versions I could hit cmd-R repeatedly to toggle 
>> whether I was replying just to the sender or to everyone, but that doesn’t 
>> work now. I sometimes start a reply and then realise I meant to reply to 
>> everyone (or vice versa) and it’s cumbersome to have to copy, delete the 
>> reply, start a new one, and paste.
>>
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Re: [MlMt] Message received sound configuration [feature request]

[Eric Sharakan]

I think what Sam is referring to is the Counters tab in MM's 
preferences, which allows you to specify the sound produced for the 
"Count:" dropdown in your chosen Mailbox.  You can do that for each of 
the four badges you can configure for the MM icon in the dock (even if 
you decide not to actually display an icon badge for that count).


In my case, I have a simple setup with one corner configured to count 
(and display) unread messages, so the sound I specify gets generated on 
all incoming mail.


For outgoing mail, I configure the "Sent Messages Sound:" in the 
Composer tab of MM's prefs.


Regards.

-Eric

On 13 Sep 2022, at 21:22, Henry Seiden wrote:

Yes. Those show where the counter icon is to be located, and is 
labeled as such in the menu, SFAIK. Nothing to do with sound, right?


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On 13 Sep 2022, at 21:13, Sam Birch wrote:


On 13 Sep 2022, at 13:39, Henry Seiden wrote:


Mystifying and wrong as to current status.

Outgoing sound shown is wrong and doesn’t accurately follow what 
the current setting is… I’m afraid to mess with it.


Did you notice the radio buttons around the MailMate icon on the 
left?

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[MlMt] Odd behavior when switching mailbox to view

[Eric Sharakan]

Hi, when switching to a different mailbox, the pane with the one-line preview 
of configured headers often ends up in a random position, instead of always 
showing the most recent messages (which I have configured to be at the bottom, 
using the "Thread Arcs" layout).

This seemed to start right around r5909, the build in which Benny resolved an 
issue with saving/restoring column state that I had been hitting.  This also 
feels like a regression, as I seemed to remember this being an issue that was 
reported and fixed quite some time ago.

Thanks.

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Re: [MlMt] Message in GMail web interface not appearing in mailmate

[Eric Sharakan]

On 12 Aug 2022, at 0:03, Dibson T Hoffweiler wrote:

> On 11 Aug 2022, at 20:04, Eric Sharakan wrote:
>
>>> I believe Mailmate assigns that label.  My guess is that I archived those 
>>> emails myself in the Gmail mobile app, which put them somewhere Mailmate 
>>> can’t access (perhaps Gmail’s mysterious-to-me “All Mail”).
>>
>> Hmm, I doubt MM would have done assigned that (or any) label.  I've been 
>> using MM with gmail for years, and I don't have any "Archive" label.
>>
>> I suspect your issue has more to do with the subscription settings you're 
>> having trouble loading.
>
> My guess was just that it moves messages to the “Archive” folder, which Gmail 
> interprets as the “[Gmail]/Archive]” label.  But I don’t really know.

Ahh, that might be the case.  I don't think I've ever tried to archive mail in 
my gmail account.

>
>> I suspect your problem is related to this inability to load or control your 
>> gmail subscriptions.  Some general things to try:
>>
>> - Wait longer for the subscription list to load.  Walk away for 1/2 hour or 
>> so and come back and check.
>> - Check your "IMAP access" settings in the gmail web interface.  Make sure 
>> IMAP access is enabled.  Sounds silly, but who knows?
>> - Completely remove and re-add your gmail account in MM.
>>
>> I suspect that once you get the subscription list to load, you'll be able to 
>> control exactly what MM shows.  FWIW, I subscribe to all the mailboxes 
>> listed, except the "[Gmail]/All Mail" one.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions: this time around it did load.  I added the “All 
> Mail” “Important” and “Starred” subscriptions, which got the missing messages 
> in, but then added some messages in duplicate (Starred) and triplicate 
> (Starred and Important).  So I removed the gmail source, and added it back.  
> Same initial problem.  This time I just subscribed to “All Mail” and now it 
> all looks good.
>
> Thank you, Henry and Eric, for making my first post such a friendly and 
> helpful experience!

Glad to hear it's working better.  If you're seeing duplicates, try 
unsubscribing from "All Mail", while staying subscribed to the other mailboxes.

-Eric

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Re: [MlMt] Message in GMail web interface not appearing in mailmate

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On 11 Aug 2022, at 22:26, Dibson T Hoffweiler wrote:


Hi Henry, thanks for the response.  My response inline below.

On 11 Aug 2022, at 18:06, Henry Seiden wrote:

If you say you found the item in Gmail, then where was it, in a 
mailbox other than standard ones, perhaps? Could it simply be in a 
place that’s not (allowed to be) accessible to MM? You haven’t 
given me much to go on.


Great question.  Emails in Gmail (web interface) with the label 
“[Gmail]/Archive” also appear in Mailmate.  Emails without the 
label don’t appear in Mailmate.


I believe Mailmate assigns that label.  My guess is that I archived 
those emails myself in the Gmail mobile app, which put them somewhere 
Mailmate can’t access (perhaps Gmail’s mysterious-to-me “All 
Mail”).


Hmm, I doubt MM would have done assigned that (or any) label.  I've been 
using MM with gmail for years, and I don't have any "Archive" label.


I suspect your issue has more to do with the subscription settings 
you're having trouble loading.




Did you look in IMAP Preferences settings or Edit Subscriptions 
(File>Edit IMAP Settings>Edit Subscriptions), any of those unchecked 
mailboxes?


When I open it, I see the ‘Subscriptions for 
“[myemail]@gmail.com”’ dialogue, but the list never populates - 
the loading spinner doesn’t stop, even after several minutes.  The 
dialogue does load for this (non-Gmail) email account.  Can other’s 
load the subscriptions for their Gmail accounts?


Yes, and it takes only a second or two for mine to load.  I do have the 
"ignore server subscription state for private namespaces" option 
selected in the subscription pane.


I suspect your problem is related to this inability to load or control 
your gmail subscriptions.  Some general things to try:


- Wait longer for the subscription list to load.  Walk away for 1/2 hour 
or so and come back and check.
- Check your "IMAP access" settings in the gmail web interface.  Make 
sure IMAP access is enabled.  Sounds silly, but who knows?

- Completely remove and re-add your gmail account in MM.

I suspect that once you get the subscription list to load, you'll be 
able to control exactly what MM shows.  FWIW, I subscribe to all the 
mailboxes listed, except the "[Gmail]/All Mail" one.




Can’t say that I’ve had that issue with Gmail accounts and I do 
have a couple. So that’s what to check first. Working backward from 
where it is, surely you find it… It’s always the last place you 
look;)) Not trying to be flip, but I have seen this before in problem 
solving.


This was very helpful.  My workaround for the time being will be to 
not archive messages outside of Mailmate.


If anyone has insight into the folder subscriptions not loading, or 
other solutions for this, I’d appreciate it.  I’m tech savvy but 
the nuance of IMAP has always been a little unwieldy for me.


I can relate!  There's IMAP, and there's gmail's version of IMAP, which 
has its own level of "nuance".  Mapping gmail's labels to IMAP mailboxes 
is just not a perfect fit.


Good luck!

-Eric




Regards,
Dibson

ps: I first had this issues with version - 1.13.2r5673.  I’ve now 
upgraded to 1.14 (5908).

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Re: [MlMt] Search in Text not count when i change the message

[Eric Sharakan]

Hi, I have seen the same symptom over several months (and multiple test 
release versions).  I believe it first appeared when Benny released the 
so-called "new message view".


-Eric

On 7 Jun 2022, at 10:43, Michael Nietzold wrote:


When:

- I have a list of emails
- I open one email when I select it in the list it shows a preview in 
the lower part

- I can search inside the email
- I change to the next email in the email list

What I see:
- the search keyword is still in the email search field
- the counter is set to "no match
- to search again see "workaround"


What I expect:
- I would expect that the search is still run again to this other 
email




workaround:
- I need to klick into the search file
- I need to retype the search keywords to run the search 
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Re: [MlMt] MailMate update denied

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Hi David, where is your copy of MailMate installed?  You aren't running it from 
a mounted disk image volume by any chance, are you?  Whenever I see "read-only 
filesystem", I immediately think of a mounted disk image.

-Eric

On 19 May 2022, at 18:03, David Ledger wrote:

> On 5/19/22 20:59, Tracy Valleau wrote:
>>> 1.  Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date.
>>
>> No idea. Perhaps there is an incremental update?
>>
>>> 2.  Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too 
>>> old to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that 
>>> this isn’t).
>>   I cannot answer "why" - I just know that dozens of times I've seen "can't 
>> update" errors to an existing app, which are solved by the technique I 
>> suggested.
>>
>> Sorry it didn't work for you.
>>
>> T
>
>
> I didn’t have a chance to try because it’s a MailMate initiated download so 
> it didn’t go into Downloads. I’ve no idea where MailMate downloads its 
> internal update to.
>
> David
>
>
>>
>> On 19 May 2022, at 12:49, David Ledger wrote:
>>
>>> On 19 May 2022, at 20:33, Tracy Valleau wrote:
>>>
 Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your desktop.
 Release all keys.
 Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your Applications folder.

 That should fix it.
>>>
>>> Thanks, but this is an update that MailMate itself is trying to install, 
>>> even though it knows it is up to date. It’s not a human initiated download. 
>>> So
>>> 1.  Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date.
>>> 2.  Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too 
>>> old to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that 
>>> this isn’t).
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
 On 19 May 2022, at 12:22, David Ledger wrote:

> I am currently up to date with “Normal Releases” according to the 
> Software Update panel of Preferences, but whenever I start up MailMate 
> (which is rare because I keep it and the laptop running) I get a popup 
> saying:
> v v v v
> MailMate is running on a read-only file system and can therefore not be 
> updated.
>
> If you downloaded MailMate from the internet then moving it out of the 
> Downloads folder should solve the problem.
> ^ ^ ^ ^
>
> The system is a Mid 2011 11” MacBook Air running High Sierra 10.13.6. The 
> filesystem is APFS with the base drive having one container “Container 
> disk1” that contains one Volume “Macintosh HD”. It has no read-only 
> volumes.
>
> Has anyone else seen this?
>
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Re: [MlMt] Is there a way to schedule rules running in MailMate?

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On 29 Apr 2022, at 8:41, Robert Wall wrote:

>> On Apr 29, 2022, at 7:28 AM, Randall Gellens  
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 28 Apr 2022, at 20:02, Bill Cole wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-04-28 at 18:03:47 UTC-0400 (Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:03:47 -0700)
>>> Randall Gellens 
>>> is rumored to have said:
>>>
 This is what I do for all my archive and auto-delete functions, but it 
 seems to me that the rules in the smart mailbox don't always fire until I 
 click on the mailbox to view it, a bit like Schrödinger's mailbox. I also 
 find this behavior in general, e.g., I see a new message arrive in my main 
 Inbox that should have been moved by a rule to a different mailbox, but 
 instead it sits in my Inbox for hours (maybe longer) but if I click on the 
 mailbox to which it should have been moved, there it is and it's gone when 
 I switch back to the Inbox. It seems that, for whatever reason, rules 
 don't always trigger or at least the effect of them running isn't always 
 visible. But other times they do seem to run automatically.
>>>
>>> This is an IMAP artifact. You don't see the message in the new location 
>>> until you resynch the new location.
>>
>> You're saying that MailMate doesn't resync a mailbox after it moves a 
>> message? And furthermore, ignores IDLE, which my server supports and which 
>> MM issues? Even if that was the case (which seems very hard to believe), 
>> then how is that the rules do work as intended at other times?
>
> I always just thought it was a minor UI glitch. When it happens to me, the 
> moved message will sometimes be there for quite awhile- but if I switch to 
> another mailbox and back quickly, it disappears as expected.

I'm pretty sure Benny has said in the past that this MM behavior is 
intentional, to prevent confusion caused by a message disappearing from (or 
appearing in) a mailbox you're currently looking at.

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Re: [MlMt] Trash Can Icon in Message List

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On 24 Apr 2022, at 22:20, Bill Cole wrote:

> On 2022-04-24 at 18:05:23 UTC-0400 (Sun, 24 Apr 2022 18:05:23 -0400)
> Mike Conley 
> is rumored to have said:
>
>> I guess I was not so much interested in the peculiarities of the Xfinity 
>> IMAP server as I was in what exactly the trash can icon in the message list 
>> meant. Anyone know?
>
> It sounds like MM is marking messages as deleted rather than moving them to 
> whichever mailbox in the account is being used as the "Trash" mailbox. That 
> is an older model for how deletion is done in IMAP, but I'm not sure why MM 
> would do that for one account and not others or why it would show the deleted 
> but not yet expunged messages.
>
> I thought MM had a preference to use that method, but I can't find it at the 
> moment.

I know there are hidden preferences to control this behavior.  Here's what I 
set:

defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDeleteBehavior -string "markAsDeleted"
defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmShowDeletedMessages -bool YES

I've been using those settings for years.  I don't know if Benny ever made them 
available via the GUI.

BTW, I agree with Sebastian that this is the correct way to use IMAP, "older" 
or not. :-)

I have an Xfinity email account, and SpamSieve works perfectly well for me on 
that account, moving messages it thinks are spam to the "Junk" folder, so I 
don't agree with the hypotheses that this is an Xfinity issue.

-Eric

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Re: [MlMt] GPG Encryption + Signing

[Eric Sharakan]

I did search the keyserver using your name, and the key wasn't found, 
but when I searched by your email address, it did find and download it.


-Eric

On 24 Apr 2022, at 17:36, Stephan Bösebeck wrote:


Hi Eric,

thanks for checking. But no, you need to open GPG Keychain (part of 
gpg suite, click on "search for key") and add the key first. My key 
should be available in most of the keyservers though ;-)


Problem is, that MailMate does not automatically download any keys 
(how should it?), as this is the job of the GPG Chain.
But this shows, how many hassles you need to go through to actually 
get this to work. And then it would not work in other email programs 
:-(


Stephan



On 24 Apr 2022, at 23:30, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Hi Stephan, I do have GPGSuite installed (2022.1), and your emails 
generate a red banner at top that says:


OpenPGP: No public key could be found for verifying the message 
signature


I think that might be part of your problem.

-Eric

On 24 Apr 2022, at 17:21, Stephan Bösebeck wrote:

Just an addition: when reading my last email in canaryMail for iOS 
(or Mac) it states "invalid signature".




On 24 Apr 2022, at 23:17, Stephan Bösebeck wrote:


Hi Henry,

because the mail for this mailinglist was not encrypted, it was 
only signed. So you can check, if the mail was tempered with on the 
way to you or if it is the same, as I sent it.


You cannot encrypt an email to more than one recipient with PGP. 
you'd have to encrypt it for every recipient and send them 
separately - so GPG/PGP does not work for mailinglists.


It works using "public key" encryption. In a nutshell, you create 
two keys, one is private, one is public. With the public key emails 
can be _encrypted_ for you and only _decrypted_ with the private 
key.


It's a bit off-topic. But if you want to know more about that, I'm 
happy to help ;-)


Stephan

On 24 Apr 2022, at 23:12, Henry Seiden wrote:


Stephen,

So, why can I read it, without OpenPGP installed?

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On 24 Apr 2022, at 17:08, Stephan Bösebeck wrote:


Hi Henry,

in your case, the GPG-Support seems not to be installed on your 
mac. You need to install GPGSuite for GPG to work.
if it works, the banner should be green with the text: `OpenPGP: 
This message is trusted to have been signed by the sender 
(EMAIL).`


So, unfortunately, your error is not related to mine. In my case, 
MailMate always shows the correct banner. But other Mail-Clients 
with PGP/GPG-Support show the signature to be false or invalid.


Cheers,

Stephan

On 24 Apr 2022, at 23:04, Henry Seiden wrote:


Hey Stephan,

Funny, but I get the same message in Mailmate on this message, 
even though it seems I can read (all of) the contents?!?
Your message shows the following banners at top, which says, 
“OpenPGP unable to locate the command (gpg) needed…” (in 
red background)
And the banner below that, “Verifying OpenPGP message 
signature…” (on a yellow background).


Are these clues to what you are seeing?

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On 24 Apr 2022, at 16:27, Stephan Bösebeck wrote:


Hi,

I have some trouble using the GPG encryption support in 
MailMate. I'll try to explain:
I created an encrypted email, sent it to me and tried to 
decrypt it on iOS using different mechanisms, iPGMail and 
CanaryMail - both worked fine.


I tried the same with an encrypted and signed Email and both 
tools told me, the signature could not be verified... Mailmate 
itself tells, all the signature is valid.


Does anybody have the same issue and/or some solution? It is 
not really pressing, but I'd like to use encryption / signature 
more often if possible...


Cheers,

Stephan
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Re: [MlMt] GPG Encryption + Signing

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Hi Stephan, I do have GPGSuite installed (2022.1), and your emails 
generate a red banner at top that says:


OpenPGP: No public key could be found for verifying the message 
signature


I think that might be part of your problem.

-Eric

On 24 Apr 2022, at 17:21, Stephan Bösebeck wrote:

Just an addition: when reading my last email in canaryMail for iOS (or 
Mac) it states "invalid signature".




On 24 Apr 2022, at 23:17, Stephan Bösebeck wrote:


Hi Henry,

because the mail for this mailinglist was not encrypted, it was only 
signed. So you can check, if the mail was tempered with on the way to 
you or if it is the same, as I sent it.


You cannot encrypt an email to more than one recipient with PGP. 
you'd have to encrypt it for every recipient and send them separately 
- so GPG/PGP does not work for mailinglists.


It works using "public key" encryption. In a nutshell, you create two 
keys, one is private, one is public. With the public key emails can 
be _encrypted_ for you and only _decrypted_ with the private key.


It's a bit off-topic. But if you want to know more about that, I'm 
happy to help ;-)


Stephan

On 24 Apr 2022, at 23:12, Henry Seiden wrote:


Stephen,

So, why can I read it, without OpenPGP installed?

Respectfully,

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On 24 Apr 2022, at 17:08, Stephan Bösebeck wrote:


Hi Henry,

in your case, the GPG-Support seems not to be installed on your 
mac. You need to install GPGSuite for GPG to work.
if it works, the banner should be green with the text: `OpenPGP: 
This message is trusted to have been signed by the sender (EMAIL).`


So, unfortunately, your error is not related to mine. In my case, 
MailMate always shows the correct banner. But other Mail-Clients 
with PGP/GPG-Support show the signature to be false or invalid.


Cheers,

Stephan

On 24 Apr 2022, at 23:04, Henry Seiden wrote:


Hey Stephan,

Funny, but I get the same message in Mailmate on this message, 
even though it seems I can read (all of) the contents?!?
Your message shows the following banners at top, which says, 
“OpenPGP unable to locate the command (gpg) needed…” (in red 
background)
And the banner below that, “Verifying OpenPGP message 
signature…” (on a yellow background).


Are these clues to what you are seeing?

Respectfully,

Henry Seiden
- -
Techworks Pro Co.
E: infotechworksprocom
W: http://techworkspro.com

On 24 Apr 2022, at 16:27, Stephan Bösebeck wrote:


Hi,

I have some trouble using the GPG encryption support in MailMate. 
I'll try to explain:
I created an encrypted email, sent it to me and tried to decrypt 
it on iOS using different mechanisms, iPGMail and CanaryMail - 
both worked fine.


I tried the same with an encrypted and signed Email and both 
tools told me, the signature could not be verified... Mailmate 
itself tells, all the signature is valid.


Does anybody have the same issue and/or some solution? It is not 
really pressing, but I'd like to use encryption / signature more 
often if possible...


Cheers,

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[MlMt] column issue with r5885?

[Eric Sharakan]

Hi, I know there have been nagging problems with column settings not always 
being preserved, but I have what I think is a new, completely reproducible 
symptom.  If I start in one of my inboxes, then switch to one of my sent 
messages folders and then back to that inbox, the displayed columns in that 
inbox are now different than what I started with.

Specifically, when viewing my gmail inbox, I see the expected columns, 
including "From", etc.  I then switch to my gmail sent folder, where I have a 
"To" column instead of the "From".  So far, so good.  But if I then switch back 
to my gmail inbox, I'm left with the "To" column, rather than it switching back 
to viewing the "From" column.  Other columns (e.g. Attachments) also disappear. 
 I have to manually select "Revert to Default Columns" to correct it.

I can't tell if this is new behavior in one of the recent test builds, but I 
certainly find myself needing to "Revert to Default Columns" way more often in 
recent weeks.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.

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[MlMt] Scrubbed one or more link prefetch statements.

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Just saw the subject text for the first time at the top of a received message, 
with a yellow background.

What does it mean?

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Re: [MlMt] Scrolling of message contents gets "stuck"

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On 28 Feb 2022, at 12:59, Steve Burling wrote:

> On 28 Feb 2022, at 5:06, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
>
>> On 26 Feb 2022, at 19:29, Steve Burling wrote:
>>
>>> I've noticed in the last few (test) releases that sometimes I'm scrolling 
>>> down through a message (using the trackpad on my MBPro, for whatever that's 
>>> worth) and will come to a point in a message where I'm pretty sure that 
>>> there's more message to be shown, but can't seem to scroll to it.
>>
>> This is likely related to some recent changes to when MailMate detects and 
>> updates after changes to the height of the displayed HTML. The related code 
>> is better now, but I must have missed that some order of events can trigger 
>> it to miss an update.
>>
>> When this happens, it's likely sufficient to resize the window a bit to 
>> trigger another update.
>
> I'll try this.

I just encountered this symptom again, and resizing the window did NOT help.

>
>>> This is in the "Thread Arcs" view.
>>
>> I'll try that, but it's more likely related to the type of message. Length, 
>> content (externally loaded images?), and/or connection speed.
>>
>> Let me know if it's reproducible. Note that MailMate caches displayed 
>> messages. This means you need to open the message in a new window to trigger 
>> re-parsing/drawing. You can also use “Message ▸ Reset...” to force MailMate 
>> to fetch it as if it was a new message.
>
> I've never managed to *make* it happen. It's also the case that I don't 
> *think* that I'm opening a new window when I switch to a different message 
> and then back again. I'm just clicking on another message in the message 
> list, then back to the problem child. Both before and after I do the 
> switch/switch back, I'm viewing the message in the message pane. I almost 
> never open a message in its own window unless I'm trying to look at two 
> simultaneously.

Same here.

-Eric

>
> -- Steve

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Re: [MlMt] Scrolling of message contents gets "stuck"

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On 28 Feb 2022, at 5:06, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

> On 26 Feb 2022, at 19:29, Steve Burling wrote:
>
>> I've noticed in the last few (test) releases that sometimes I'm scrolling 
>> down through a message (using the trackpad on my MBPro, for whatever that's 
>> worth) and will come to a point in a message where I'm pretty sure that 
>> there's more message to be shown, but can't seem to scroll to it.
>
> This is likely related to some recent changes to when MailMate detects and 
> updates after changes to the height of the displayed HTML. The related code 
> is better now, but I must have missed that some order of events can trigger 
> it to miss an update.
>
> When this happens, it's likely sufficient to resize the window a bit to 
> trigger another update.
>
>> This is in the "Thread Arcs" view.
>
> I'll try that, but it's more likely related to the type of message. Length, 
> content (externally loaded images?), and/or connection speed.
>
> Let me know if it's reproducible. Note that MailMate caches displayed 
> messages. This means you need to open the message in a new window to trigger 
> re-parsing/drawing. You can also use “Message ▸ Reset...” to force MailMate 
> to fetch it as if it was a new message.

For me, it reproduces only on certain new messages, so it's hard to predict in 
advance when it'll occur.  Also, once I switch messages and switch back, the 
problem is gone for that message.

Thanks.

-Eric

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Re: [MlMt] Scrolling of message contents gets "stuck"

[Eric Sharakan]

I've been experiencing exactly the same symptoms.  I hadn't reported it because 
I suspected it might have been related to slow network access while on my 
corporate VPN.

Very similar setup as Steve: MacOS 12.2.1 (2019 16" MBP), Mailmate r5873 & a 
few earlier builds, "Thread Arcs" layout.

-Eric

On 26 Feb 2022, at 13:29, Steve Burling wrote:

> MacOS 12.2.1 on a M1 Macbook Pro, MailMake release 5874 (and some earlier 
> releases, too, so this isn't something new to 5874).
>
> I've noticed in the last few (test) releases that sometimes I'm scrolling 
> down through a message (using the trackpad on my MBPro, for whatever that's 
> worth) and will come to a point in a message where I'm pretty sure that 
> there's more message to be shown, but can't seem to scroll to it. Dragging up 
> on the trackpad with two fingers just behaves as if it's at the end of the 
> window. If I switch to a different message, and then come back to the one 
> that previously got stuck at the end, I can usually continue to scroll past 
> the point where I got stuck before. Odd.
>
> This is in the "Thread Arcs" view.
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Re: [MlMt] Attachment download notifications

[Eric Sharakan]

Sigh, never mind.  My MM notification preferences were not as I 
reported.  Things are in fact working as expected.


It would be nice to be able to control the attachment download 
notification separately from other MM notifications.  If that's 
possible, I don't see how.  If not, consider this a feature request. :-)


Thanks.

-Eric

On 16 Feb 2022, at 7:13, Henry Seiden wrote:


Eric,

I do not see the same thing when downloading a picture, with 
Notifications set as shown in the attachment (trying to duplicate your 
symptom, though not sure if I did and it’s in 12.2.1). If you can 
reliably duplicate it, maybe a bug report is in order as you are on a 
beta?


In my case, had previously set Notifications off, since I keep 
MailMate open on a screen all the time. I get too many notifications 
as it is.


Respectfully,

Henry Seiden

On 16 Feb 2022, at 0:46, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Hi, I just noticed that when I click the download button next to an 
attachment, I get a notification in macOS's Notification Center.  In 
System Preferences->Notifications I have MM set to "Allow 
Notifications", have the Mail alert style set to "None", and leave 
the "Show in Notification Center" checkbox unchecked, yet I still 
receive these notifications.


MailMate r5870, macOS 12.2

Thanks.

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Hi, I just noticed that when I click the download button next to an attachment, 
I get a notification in macOS's Notification Center.  In System 
Preferences->Notifications I have MM set to "Allow Notifications", have the 
Mail alert style set to "None", and leave the "Show in Notification Center" 
checkbox unchecked, yet I still receive these notifications.

MailMate r5870, macOS 12.2

Thanks.

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[MlMt] unsubscribe link detection?

[Eric Sharakan]

Hi, I know at some point MailMate would detect emails from mailing lists, and 
even offer a quick way to unsubscribe if it found a "List-Unsubscribe" header 
in the email.

Did this feature go away, or did I perhaps change a setting such that this 
doesn't happen anymore?

I'm running r5869.

Thanks.

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[MlMt] trash can icon

[Eric Sharakan]

Hi, I'm running r5861, and have a quick question about the trash can icon used 
to denote a deleted, in-place message.  I'm coloring my summary pane (using a 
custom styles.plist file and rules as discussed awhile back on this list).

Currently, the trash con icon is the same color as the chosen color for the 
message summary.  I find it hard to differentiate deleted messages because of 
this.  Is it possible to have the trash can render in a different color, like 
red, as was used when the "deleted" icon was just a small circle?

Thanks.

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Re: [MlMt] Excluding an account Source from global search and Mailboxes

[Eric Sharakan]

It's in the pulldown by the magnifying glass in the search pane.

-Eric

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> Is that preference exposed in the GUI ? Can’t seem to find it.
>
> On 16 Jan 2022, at 2:07, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>
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Re: [MlMt] MailMate release notes

[Eric Sharakan]

Thanks!

-Eric

On 10 Dec 2021, at 9:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 10 Dec 2021, at 14:14, Eric Sharakan wrote:

I now understand that's because this is a beta release, so it makes 
more sense, though I'd still like to know what changed since 5851. 
:-)


* Changed: By default, show a single “Tagged” submailbox when only 
a single tag is in use (this will only affect new users). Previously 
only the “Tagged” mailbox would be shown in this special case.

* Fixed: Crash bug related to “Send Now”.

And various build-system-related changes of no interest to users :)

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Re: [MlMt] Password popup box

[Eric Sharakan]

On 9 Dec 2021, at 14:27, Ian Petersen wrote:

> Benny,
>
>> Somehow MailMate misinterprets a repeated error as a possible password issue 
>> (server are not always good at telling the email client exactly what the 
>> problem is). First try updating to the latest beta of MailMate (in the 
>> Software Update preferences pane).
>
> For what it’s worth I have experienced similar issues (on Runbox) on and off 
> for the last couple of years (always using latest beta). MM throws a wobbly 
> for a few minutes or an hour, but it always seems to go back to normal again 
> after a while.
>
>
> Cheers
> Ian

Hi, I've seen the same, primarily on my corporate account since my employer 
switched to Exchange hosted by Microsoft.  It happens at most once or twice a 
day.  I hit cancel and things continue to work, so I think Benny's explanation 
is right on; it's really some other transient error.

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Re: [MlMt] MailMate release notes

[Eric Sharakan]

Hi Benny, as I noted in a previous reply on this thread, the big issue 
for me was really the no list of changes between r5851 & r5852.  I now 
understand that's because this is a beta release, so it makes more 
sense, though I'd still like to know what changed since 5851. :-)


Also, I've come to the realization that all the detailed info is fine 
(and well organized too), as long as test releases continue to include a 
short blurb on top describing what's changed since the prior test 
release.


Thanks again for producing a superior mail client for Mac.

-Eric

On 9 Dec 2021, at 10:12, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 8 Dec 2021, at 14:12, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Hi, as someone who tends to download the latest test release 
regularly, I'm finding the restructuring of release notes not at all 
helpful.  First, it's nigh impossible to learn what's changed in each 
test release. Second, the new outline format reminds me more of a 
functional spec than release notes.


You are jumping to conclusions here :)

I have not changed how the release notes work in general. Each test 
release will still include only what happened in that specific test 
release. The exception has just been a few of the latest test releases 
in which a lot of the actual work has been to rewrite the release 
notes since the latest public release. It would, of course, be easier 
to just have included everything from all test release notes, but I 
wouldn't be surprised if far more than 50% of the content would have 
been fixes to bugs introduced *after* the latest public release (which 
are irrelevant to most users).


Going forward, there will be new test releases and those will be 
summed up in another beta release. Likewise, when ready for a public 
release I'll likely rewrite the beta release notes.


It's not ideal, but most of the time you'll get your short test 
release notes. And thanks for trying the test releases!


Finally, the length is simply unmanageable.  There's no way I can 
scroll through all that to see what's actually changed.  I know a lot 
has changed since the last public release, but I fear even users not 
on test releases are going to be overwhelmed by these release notes 
as written when the next public release occurs.


Yes, but there's not really much I can do about that... It would be 
worse if they got the non-rewritten notes.


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Re: [MlMt] MailMate release notes

[Eric Sharakan]

Please don't get me wrong, I continue to be amazed by the incredible amount 
work Benny is able to put into MM; this is a far better mail client than others 
built by entire engineering teams at some large companies.  And I'm sure it 
took considerable effort for Benny to produce this outline of all the major 
changes.  I do plan to read through it all at some point.

But to me, the primary purpose of release notes is to tell me what changed 
since the last version I downloaded.  And ideally, this is true both for folks 
who download test versions as well as those who do not.

So, as Stephan also noted, I guess the big issue for me is not being able to 
see what changed between (say) r5851 and r5852.

Thanks.

-Eric

On 8 Dec 2021, at 8:38, Florian Heidenreich wrote:

> I actually like it and admire the amount of work that is put into the release 
> notes. It truly shows how much Benny is caring. I also like the grouping into 
> different aspects of the app, so that I can, e.g., skip the OpenPGP part 
> (which I currently don't use).
>
> From what I observe, the restructuring only takes place when a new official 
> beta is released. For those who are not using the alpha builds, this would be 
> the first changelog that is shown after like a year or so. I actually took 
> the time to go through this and learned about aspects I missed during the 
> alpha cycle.
>
> I also think that any changes that are relevant for the alpha channel are 
> still explicitly associated with a concrete release. IIRC, this was the case 
> for the previous alpha.
>
> Official releases are usually accompanied by a blog post, giving a birds-eye 
> view on the changes of the new release. Admittedly, this will be also 
> difficult to be kept short :)
>
> But it's about time and I'm happy about the progress.
>
> Kind regards
> — Florian
>
>
> On 8 Dec 2021, at 14:12, Eric Sharakan wrote:
>
>> Hi, as someone who tends to download the latest test release regularly, I'm 
>> finding the restructuring of release notes not at all helpful.  First, it's 
>> nigh impossible to learn what's changed in each test release. Second, the 
>> new outline format reminds me more of a functional spec than release notes.
>>
>> Finally, the length is simply unmanageable.  There's no way I can scroll 
>> through all that to see what's actually changed.  I know a lot has changed 
>> since the last public release, but I fear even users not on test releases 
>> are going to be overwhelmed by these release notes as written when the next 
>> public release occurs.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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[MlMt] MailMate release notes

[Eric Sharakan]

Hi, as someone who tends to download the latest test release regularly, I'm 
finding the restructuring of release notes not at all helpful.  First, it's 
nigh impossible to learn what's changed in each test release. Second, the new 
outline format reminds me more of a functional spec than release notes.

Finally, the length is simply unmanageable.  There's no way I can scroll 
through all that to see what's actually changed.  I know a lot has changed 
since the last public release, but I fear even users not on test releases are 
going to be overwhelmed by these release notes as written when the next public 
release occurs.

Thanks.

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Re: [MlMt] Markdown confusion with line breaks between paragraphs

[Eric Sharakan]

It was a bit of an arduous trek, and in the end, Benny's not sure 
exactly what cured it, but here's what seemed to do it:


- In terminal, run this:
```
touch 
/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/SharedSupport/Bundles/MailMate.mmBundle/Filters/Inline\ 
CSS.mmFilter

```
- reboot

Good luck!

-Eric

On 18 Nov 2021, at 8:10, Florian Heidenreich wrote:

That's interesting. I have "Inline CSS (with Premailer)" selected at 
*Preferences → Composer*. The other option is "Scoped Stylesheet".


Can you share how you've made the "Inline CSS (Juice)" option 
available for you?


Kind regards
— Florian


On 18 Nov 2021, at 13:40, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Benny and I have been working together to try to figure this one out. 
 What ended up fixing it for me was switching to the "Inline CSS 
(Juice)" option as the Embedding Method in the Composer preferences 
pane (after we struggled to figure out why I couldn't see that option 
for a while).  I previously was using "Inline CSS (with Premailer)".


-Eric

On 18 Nov 2021, at 3:37, Florian Heidenreich wrote:

I've noticed this too and the only way to circumvent this and go 
back into normal editing mode is to remove the last newline after 
the quoted text.


By that, quoted text that appeared with a gray background changes 
into text with normal background but blue text font.


Kind regards
— Florian


On 16 Nov 2021, at 20:54, Eric Sharakan wrote:


[Running r5846 on macOS 11.6.1]

Hi Benny, I know others have mentioned this, but it's become quite 
frustrating to me that sometimes I need to enter two consecutive 
newlines when composing with Markdown to get a visible line break 
between paragraphs.  For me, it only seems to happen when replying 
to some specific emails, so I suspect it's related to the 
content/format in those emails.


I also seem to have found an even more pathological symptom: in one 
specific case, no amount of consecutive newlines puts a line break 
between paragraphs.  In this one case, it seems to happen when 
there's text between triple backticks in my reply.  I'll send 
details (including the full email I'm trying to compose) to Benny 
privately.


Any chance this can be looked into?

Thanks.

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Benny and I have been working together to try to figure this one out.  What 
ended up fixing it for me was switching to the "Inline CSS (Juice)" option as 
the Embedding Method in the Composer preferences pane (after we struggled to 
figure out why I couldn't see that option for a while).  I previously was using 
"Inline CSS (with Premailer)".

-Eric

On 18 Nov 2021, at 3:37, Florian Heidenreich wrote:

> I've noticed this too and the only way to circumvent this and go back into 
> normal editing mode is to remove the last newline after the quoted text.
>
> By that, quoted text that appeared with a gray background changes into text 
> with normal background but blue text font.
>
> Kind regards
> — Florian
>
>
> On 16 Nov 2021, at 20:54, Eric Sharakan wrote:
>
>> [Running r5846 on macOS 11.6.1]
>>
>> Hi Benny, I know others have mentioned this, but it's become quite 
>> frustrating to me that sometimes I need to enter two consecutive newlines 
>> when composing with Markdown to get a visible line break between paragraphs. 
>>  For me, it only seems to happen when replying to some specific emails, so I 
>> suspect it's related to the content/format in those emails.
>>
>> I also seem to have found an even more pathological symptom: in one specific 
>> case, no amount of consecutive newlines puts a line break between 
>> paragraphs.  In this one case, it seems to happen when there's text between 
>> triple backticks in my reply.  I'll send details (including the full email 
>> I'm trying to compose) to Benny privately.
>>
>> Any chance this can be looked into?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -Eric
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[MlMt] Tread Arcs layout issue

[Eric Sharakan]

Hi all, I use the "Thread Arcs" layout, and lately (perhaps after updating to 
r5847?), I'm seeing a case where two completely unrelated threads are being 
shown as one larger thread.  Has anyone else seen this?  Is there a way to 
force MM to re-calculate its notion of the threads?

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[MlMt] Markdown confusion with line breaks between paragraphs

[Eric Sharakan]

[Running r5846 on macOS 11.6.1]

Hi Benny, I know others have mentioned this, but it's become quite frustrating 
to me that sometimes I need to enter two consecutive newlines when composing 
with Markdown to get a visible line break between paragraphs.  For me, it only 
seems to happen when replying to some specific emails, so I suspect it's 
related to the content/format in those emails.

I also seem to have found an even more pathological symptom: in one specific 
case, no amount of consecutive newlines puts a line break between paragraphs.  
In this one case, it seems to happen when there's text between triple backticks 
in my reply.  I'll send details (including the full email I'm trying to 
compose) to Benny privately.

Any chance this can be looked into?

Thanks.

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Re: [MlMt] default mailbox for find

[Eric Sharakan]

Hi John, in the search bar at the top of the main window is a little pulldown 
right next to the magnifying glass.  In there is a Default Mailbox selection 
menu.  See if changing that resolves it.

-Eric

On 28 Oct 2021, at 8:05, John Doherty via mailmate wrote:

> I got this changed to:
>
> $ defaults read com.freron.MailMate MmMailboxChooserBindings
> (
> {
> long = "imap://u...@foo.example.com/All%20Messages";
> short = "All%20Messages";
> }
> )
>
> But that did not change the behavior. When I click on a message header to 
> find other messages that match, it still defaults to searching in the mailbox 
> that used to be listed there.
>
> On Thu 2021-10-28 05:47 AM MDT -0600,  wrote:
>
>> Following up on my own message again, I notice this in the output of 
>> "defaults read com.freron.MailMate":
>>
>> MmMailboxChooserBindings = (
>> {
>> long = "imap://u...@foo.example.com/XXX";
>> short = XXX;
>> }
>> );
>>
>> Where "imap://u...@foo.example.com" is the same as the value of 
>> MmDefaultAccount and "XXX" is the name of the smart mailbox that is 
>> seemingly being used as the default search target. I guess this may be the 
>> reason.
>>
>> I also notice that the value of MmDefaultAccount is an account that no 
>> longer exists. That doesn't seem to be causing any problems but it's 
>> interesting to note.
>>
>> Not exactly sure how to change this to work the way it used to and of 
>> course, no idea how it got to be this way.
>>
>> On Thu 2021-10-28 05:24 AM MDT -0600,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I often use the Mailmate feature of clicking on part of a message 
>>> header -- From:, Subject:, To: -- to find other messages that match. I love 
>>> this feature.
>>>
>>> Until recently, when I did that, Mailmate would select and search in the 
>>> "All Messages" mailbox, which is exactly what I want. But now it is 
>>> selecting and searching within a particular recently-created smart mailbox, 
>>> which is never what I want.
>>>
>>> No idea what I did to change this behavior and no idea how to get back to 
>>> the previous behavior. Does anybody have any suggestions? Thanks.
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Re: [MlMt] Unable to delete message

[Eric Sharakan]

Same here. This has been an ongoing issue for me with MM ever since our 
corporate email was switched over to Microsoft Exchange last January.


I found no way to delete and expunge those messages so I just ignore 
them.


-Eric

On 14 Oct 2021, at 6:29, aisrael wrote:

I have about 2000 similar messages (since April 7, 2021) that I have 
not been able to delete. Most of them correspond to an event in my 
Calendar.


The message usually says  :

The server couldn't retrieve the following message:
Subject: “XXX”
From: "Not available" ("Not available")
Sent date: 9/25/2020 10:50:27 AM
The message hasn't been deleted. You might be able to view it using 
either Outlook or Outlook Web App. You can also contact the sender to 
find out what the message says.


Alain

On 14 Oct 2021, at 7:19, Michael Friedlander wrote:

A message in my inbox from "Microsoft Exchange Server 2010" with the 
subject "Retrieval using the IMAP4 protocol..." cannot be deleted. 
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Re: [MlMt] Thanks for r5826 — Composer fix

[Eric Sharakan]

Hi, how did you find that update?  If I hold down the option key when 
clicking "Check Now", MM tells me that r5820 is current.


Unless something has changed, I don't think Benny recommends folks 
download build found directly on his website.  Many of those are 
internal builds for his own use.


-Eric


On 23 Sep 2021, at 11:04, Bryce Wray wrote:

Just a note that I hope Benny will see — r5826, released today (my 
time), does indeed fix the Composer issue in r5821 through r5825 which 
kept causing a crash whenever I’d open a new email. As the Release 
Notes say:


Fixed: The composer would crash if MmSMTPAlternativeEnabled was NO 
(which it is by default).


I’m sending this **from** r5826 as proof. :-) Thank you, sir!

Best wishes,

Bryce Wray
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Re: [MlMt] latest versions

[Eric Sharakan]

Searching the list archives, I found these, where Benny clarifies the 
distinction, and mentions his plan to end the 2.0BETA branch:

https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg13153.html

https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg13415.html

Bottom line, yes you would definitely be better off on the 5xxx versions, and 
using the option key when checking for updates to get the latest test releases 
of the 1.x branch.

-Eric

On 18 Sep 2021, at 13:12, Steve Hodgson wrote:

> MailMate version numbers always confuse me. I’m using MailMate 6151, 
> apparently the latest version available but I think that’s a 2.0 beta 
> version. It doesn’t appear to update very often and I sometimes wonder if I 
> would be better using 5xxx versions.
>
> Is there a summary of the differences between the two?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> On 18 Sep 2021, at 17:00, mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com wrote:
>
>> The latest beta release is r5673 — same as the latest normal release.
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Re: [MlMt] Many strange behaviors since a couple of days...

[Eric Sharakan]

Sorry, I just realized that you're reporting continuing problems even 
after downgrading back to r5820.  Sometimes I have to hit  twice to 
completely clear a search.  The first time just clears the text like you 
say.


I don't know about the other problem; hopefully Benny has some advice 
for you.


-Eric

On 17 Sep 2021, at 7:38, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Searching for new updates in the pref. pane (with option key) tells me 
r5820 is the current test build.  I would avoid pulling down 
"unannounced" builds from the MM archives web page (assuming that's 
what you did).


-Eric

On 17 Sep 2021, at 3:02, Robert M. Münch wrote:


Hi,

I updated to 5822 but found that it’s too buggy (correspondent view 
is not resizable; some shortcuts don’t work), so, I reinstalled 
5820, which I used before without any problems.


But now ECS no longer works to clear the search, it deletes the text 
but the search state is kept and all the other mails are not shown. 
Selecting any folder I don’t see my mails. I have to select *All 
Messages* and with some luck, the other folders show their content 
again.


I really don’t have any clue what’s going on or where these 
effects come from.


Any idea?

Viele Grüsse.

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Note: The .ASC file contains a digital PGP signature of this email. 
It can be used to check that this email is from me and was not 
changed since I wrote it.


Hinweis: Die .ASC Datei enthält eine digitale PGP Signatur dieser 
Email. Mit dieser kann überprüft werden, dass diese Email von mir 
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Re: [MlMt] Apple-F doesn't function as expected if message window is open

[Eric Sharakan]

On 16 Sep 2021, at 10:41, Edward Thome wrote:

> On 16 Sep 2021, at 9:37, Raza Rizvi wrote:
>
>  This has been bugging me for a while, but as the subject says, using 
> Apple F is normally reserved to help find text matching your input. If 
> you have focus on a Mailmate message window, it collapses that window so 
> that it ends as a narrow window showing the red button to close the 
> window, with no text.
>
>  The only way I have found to return the window to any form of usable 
> state is to use Window/Zoom and resize it. On occasions eve this will 
> just make the narrow window taller in size.
>
>  I cannot find any listing of Apple F in the Mailmate menus, nor in the 
> keybinding files (in 5820), so I cannot work out what is going on, and 
> why.
>
>  Closing Mailmate and reopening it does not make the same mail message 
> return to ‘normal’ size, it retains its new narrow size…
>
>  Any suggestions?

 It's just a bug: you can resize the window using the mouse but it is 
 annoying as the separate message window size will stay like this until 
 they're resized.

 Charlie
>>>
>>> I see Cmd-F bound to the 'Edit->Find->Find...' menu item, and the shortcut 
>>> works for me (running r5820 under macOS 11.5.2).
>>
>> Eric - you are correct, now I look I also see this. But that is clearly not 
>> what is happening. Apple F works in all other apps so it appears to be a 
>> unique failure to Mailmate.
>>
> Just to clarify, because when I read Eric’s message I got the idea that Eric 
> was thinking what I originally thought…Command-F while viewing the message in 
> the Viewer Window.  However, there is a difference in how MM behaves if (a) 
> the message is being viewed in the Viewer Window (in which case Command-F 
> works as expected) versus (b) the message is in its own window (in which case 
> Command-F does what Ravi has mentioned).
> Ed

Ed, you're absolutely right; I just reproduced it.  And it doesn't matter 
whether you use the keyboard shortcut or the 'Edit->Find->Find...' menu item, 
it still collapses the window as described.

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Re: [MlMt] Apple-F doesn't function as expected if message window is open

[Eric Sharakan]

On 16 Sep 2021, at 9:52, Charlie Clark wrote:

> On 16 Sep 2021, at 12:34, Raza Rizvi wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>  This has been bugging me for a while, but as the subject says, using Apple 
>> F is normally reserved to help find text matching your input. If you have 
>> focus on a Mailmate message window, it collapses that window so that it ends 
>> as a narrow window showing the red button to close the window, with no text.
>>
>>  The only way I have found to return the window to any form of usable state 
>> is to use Window/Zoom and resize it. On occasions eve this will just make 
>> the narrow window taller in size.
>>
>>  I cannot find any listing of Apple F in the Mailmate menus, nor in the 
>> keybinding files (in 5820), so I cannot work out what is going on, and why.
>>
>>  Closing Mailmate and reopening it does not make the same mail message 
>> return to ‘normal’ size, it retains its new narrow size…
>>
>>  Any suggestions?
>
> It's just a bug: you can resize the window using the mouse but it is annoying 
> as the separate message window size will stay like this until they're resized.
>
> Charlie

I see Cmd-F bound to the 'Edit->Find->Find...' menu item, and the shortcut 
works for me (running r5820 under macOS 11.5.2).

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Re: [MlMt] Markdown tables and the Markdown engine in general

[Eric Sharakan]

Searching through my inbox, I see mention of the old engine being based 
on Sundown, while the new one is using CommonMark.  Searching through 
the release notes, the switch happened in Revision 5742, released 
Thursday, November 26, 2020.


-Eric

On 30 Aug 2021, at 8:24, leo wrote:

Thanks for the info. It would be great if we knew more about this 
Markdown engine…



On 30 Aug 2021, at 22:14, Eric Sharakan wrote:

It apparently depends on the version of MailMate you're running.  
Benny changed the Markdown engine it uses fairly recently.  It also 
works for me running r5820.


-Eric

On 30 Aug 2021, at 3:01, Thomas Grundberg wrote:

Strange, works for me: [screen 
dump](https://grundberg.se/temp/markdown_dashes.png).


Mailmate 1.14 (5820), macOS 10.14.6 (Mojave).
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Re: [MlMt] Markdown tables and the Markdown engine in general

[Eric Sharakan]

It apparently depends on the version of MailMate you're running.  Benny 
changed the Markdown engine it uses fairly recently.  It also works for 
me running r5820.


-Eric

On 30 Aug 2021, at 3:01, Thomas Grundberg wrote:

Strange, works for me: [screen 
dump](https://grundberg.se/temp/markdown_dashes.png).


Mailmate 1.14 (5820), macOS 10.14.6 (Mojave).
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Re: [MlMt] Message preview won't stay turned off

[Eric Sharakan]

On 31 May 2021, at 12:13, Rob McBroom wrote:

> On 29 May 2021, at 2:37, Dave Carpenter wrote:
>
>> Guys n’ gals,
>> I don’t want preview. It stays disabled for awhile, then it’s there to the 
>> right of the new email I’m creating. I go to View>Layout and this is what I 
>> see. The “Preview” item is never checkmarked, only the “Preview at right”, 
>> which won’t un-check. Only the “Preview” item (which is never checked) 
>> responds: when I click on it, the preview goes away.
>>
>> Am I the only one experiencing this?
>
> From the main MailMate window try choosing View → Layout → Two Panes.
>
> As for making that setting stick, I don’t think it will. If I quit MailMate 
> and relaunch it, everything is back how I left it, but if it gets restarted 
> as part of a system restart (which is far more common), it forgets my layout 
> and which folders I had expanded.
>
> -- 
> Rob McBroom

I think Dave is asking about the preview in the Composer window.  When that 
preview gets displayed is controlled in the Composer tab of MM's preferences, 
where you can specify "always", "when generating HTML" or "never".

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[MlMt] Lost menu item to show release notes

[Eric Sharakan]

Starting in one of the last few test releases, the option to display the 
release notes on demand has vanished from the help menu.

Can we get that back please?

-Eric
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Re: [MlMt] Default format=flowed change in 5800?

[Eric Sharakan]

Hi Benny, can you please address this question, as it has many of us puzzled?

Thanks.

-Eric

On 7 May 2021, at 7:16, Philip Paeps wrote:

> On 2021-05-03 21:43:18 (+0800), Pete Resnick wrote:
>> Saw this in the release notes for Test Build 5800:
>>
>> - Changed: By default, MailMate no longer uses the format=flowed standard. 
>> For now, it can be enabled using MmFormatFlowedEnabled if needed/preferred.
>>
>> Why the change? There should be more format=flowed in the world, not less, 
>> IMO.
>
> I've been wondering about this change too.  I know there are awkward 
> interactions between format=flowed and inline PGP (and possibly S/MIME) but 
> `MmFormatFlowedEnabled` seems a lot more useful to be default *on* rather 
> than default *off*.
>
> I did a `defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmFormatFlowedEnabled -bool true` 
> immediately after installing r5800.
>
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Re: [MlMt] Total message count in window title

[Eric Sharakan]

I'm seeing the same (and reported it to Benny using the 'Send Feedback...' menu 
item).

It seems to be showing the number of selected messages.  I agree it's not very 
useful, and want the total number of messages displayed as before.

-Eric

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> Starting with r5799, MailMate’s window title doesn’t show the total number of 
> messages of the current mailbox anymore. Instead, the number of selected 
> messages is shown for me (often alternating between *1 message* and *0 
> messages*).
>
> For me, this is not particular useful information and I’d prefer to go back 
> to the previous behavior. Anyone knows how to get there?
>
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Re: [MlMt] one pixel tracker images

[Eric Sharakan]

I seem to remember Benny saying something similar about MM being unable 
to tell ahead of time and thus unable to block them automatically.


-Eric

On 18 Mar 2021, at 11:31, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:

It can't tell if it's a 1x1 image until after it's downloaded, by 
which

time the damage has been done. Disabling all images is the safest;
disabling known trackers is second-best.

On 18 Mar 2021, at 0:06, Randy Bush wrote:


Version 1.14 (5757) on big sur

when i say view html, i get

Images with a pixel size of 1 by 1 have been downloaded (2)

i would prefer to disable 1 pixel tracker pseudo-images.  clue bat,
please

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Re: [MlMt] hover over link to view it?

[Eric Sharakan]

Sounds like there might be corruption in the application's internal 
resources on your system.  Have you tried the "nuclear" option?  Delete 
the app, as well as the entire contents of your ~/Library/Application 
Support/MailMate/ directory (saving any manual customizations you might 
have made in there), and re-install.


I expect you'll lose things like any smart mailboxes you have 
configured, tags you have applied to messages (depending if your IMAP 
server supports preserving client-side MAP keywords), etc.  Perhaps 
others have tricks to preserve those...


-Eric

On 17 Mar 2021, at 9:38, Shoshanna Green wrote:

Thanks to Eric's comment in another thread, I've discovered why I 
hadn't seen any updates in months, and have updated to 5777 (under 
10.13.6 High Sierra) -- but I still do not see URLs pop up when I 
hover over a link, and I still do not see icons in the Preferences 
tabs. The latter is a minor annoyance, but the former is a major one; 
can anyone help me debug this? Please?


On 25 Jan 2021, at 15:32, Shoshanna Green wrote:

I'm bumping this in hopes of new ideas, and maybe Benny chiming in: 
I'm running 5757 under High Sierra 10.13.6 and I have no idea why I 
don't see URL popups when I hover the mouse over a link in a message, 
but I sure wish I did!


On 5 Jan 2021, at 10:37, Shoshanna Green wrote:

Hm -- could the fact that I do not see a URL displayed when I hover 
over a link in a message be related to the fact that I also don't 
see any icons for the Preferences tabs? See 
https://imgur.com/OeBLfm8 -- each tab is available and has its text 
label, but is missing the icon that I presume ought to appear above 
the text.


On 31 Dec 2020, at 11:00, Shoshanna Green wrote:


A reasonable question, but no, I'm not.

Glenn's message, which just arrived, reminds me that I should add 
that I'm running MailMate 5757 under High Sierra 10.13.6. Maybe the 
lack of URL popups is due to my OS being behind the times?


On 31 Dec 2020, at 10:30, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Hi,

   Just an idea, may not be related since I don't know exactly 
how this popup is coded, but are you using a custom stylesheet for 
your email viewer? Maybe this could interfere with the popup


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On 31 Dec 2020, at 10:12, Shoshanna Green wrote:

Huh -- I'm on 5757 and I'm not seeing it, and haven't for ages. 
I'm talking not about links where the URL is explicitly shown in 
the message text, as in Guillaume's message, but about encoded 
text links, such as in daily news summaries from newspapers: the 
text says "More Things Are Terrible, Say Sources" and clicking it 
will take me to an article on the paper's website. Encoded links 
like those show no popup URLs for me; hovering over them does 
nothing.


I restart MailMate at least daily, and I just tried turning my 
VPN off and restarting MM again, in case that was the problem 
(even though I had already set MM to bypass the VPN, because it 
causes SMTP problems in sending mail). No joy. Is there something 
else that could be blocking this? I can't see anything in the 
preferences...


Shoshanna

On 31 Dec 2020, at 10:02, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Working as well on my side in the non-beta MM version: 5673

Have you tried a restart of MailMate and see if this comes back?

From here, I see that MM doesn't show it if the address 
displayed is the same as the actual one, maybe that what you're 
seeing?


https://lists.freron.com/mailmate/2016-September/006940.html

Hope this help!

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On 31 Dec 2020, at 9:56, Ian Petersen wrote:


Shoshanna,

I really miss being able to hover over a link in an email and 
see where it would send me. Might that feature return?


Seems to be working fine here in 5757 …

Cheers
Ian


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Re: [MlMt] print -> crash

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On 17 Mar 2021, at 0:24, Edward Thome wrote:


On 16 Mar 2021, at 23:08, Philip Paeps wrote:


On 2021-03-17 12:02:00 (+0800), Edward Thome wrote:

On 16 Mar 2021, at 21:56, Randy Bush wrote:

mm Version 1.13.2 on current big sur

i have selected a text-only message and hit command-p.  mailmate
crashes.  how to get debug?

randy


It was a known issue with 1.13.2 (r5673 and thereabouts).  Printing 
works again on r5737 through r5757 (Version 1.14).


http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/

(now that I go there I see a lot of later versions, too, but they 
must be pre-releases of some kind).


You can get these pre-releases if you hold down "option" while 
clicking the "check for updates" button.





Yes, I check weekly but it has told me for weeks that r5757 is the 
latest version. I thought that was unusual, but I assumed that Bennie 
was really doing a lot of work under the hood and would have a major 
release any day now. :-)   [I also have “Watch for Beta Releases” 
checked.  Not sure why it wasn’t working.]


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Benny sent a message saying that the update process was being revamped, 
so it wasn't working for a few builds.  If you get the latest test build 
[r5777](http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5777.tbz), 
it'll start working again.


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Re: [MlMt] How can I duplicate a message?

[Eric Sharakan]

Option-dragging a message to another mailbox copies it.

-Eric

On 16 Mar 2021, at 20:01, leo wrote:


Hi there

How can I duplicate a message in a Mail account. So not _move_ it to 
another folder in that account but duplicate it into another folder. 
(I want to do this, so that I then can strip this copy off its 
attachements).


I had a look for appropriate commands, but “Duplicate Mailbox” 
doesn’t seem right and all “Copy” commands seem to export the 
message to a filesystem folder, not to a Mailbox folder.


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Re: [MlMt] have the headers stay on top when scrolling?

[Eric Sharakan]

On 17 Feb 2021, at 10:31, Glenn Parker wrote:


On 17 Feb 2021, at 7:20, Jolin Warren wrote:

For everyone whose headers do not stay in place: Is this in a 
separate message viewer window, or are you seeing this in the viewing 
pane in a three-pane view?


My headers scroll with the message. I normally use a separate message 
window, but it’s exactly the same with the 3-pane layout.

Big Sur 11.2.1
MailMate Version 1.14 (5757)


My headers also scroll with the message, and has been that way for some 
time (I can't specifically remember ever seeing the headers not scroll).


Until yesterday.

I received a long message, and I wasn't able to scroll it using the 
two-finger gesture on my trackpad; it got "stuck" after a few lines of 
scrolling.  Using the scrollbar to the right of the window, I could 
successfully scroll through the entire message.  That's when I noticed 
that the header was NOT scrolling with the message!  As I said, I can't 
remember ever seeing that behavior before.


When I came back to that message later, both behaviors had reverted: I 
could now scroll through it with my trackpad, and the header scrolled 
off as I did so.  Also, I swear the font used to display the header had 
changed.  Bizarre.


I'm currently running r5774, and reported this to Benny via Help->Send 
Feedback...


-Eric



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Re: [MlMt] Note that the SHA1 hash...

[Eric Sharakan]

Hi do you use PGP for signing or encrypting mail?  Some time back I had to 
update my ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf file with this line:

personal-digest-preferences SHA512 SHA384 SHA256 SHA224

...to stop MailMate complaining about SHA1 digests.

-Eric

On Mar 1, 2021 at 06:48:42 EST, Matthias Schmidt via mailmate 
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Hello,

since the update to BigSur I get this alert:
Note that the SHA1 hash algorithm has been found to have weaknesses
My keys are set to DSA or RSA
How can I fix this?

cheers and all the best
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Re: [MlMt] The ‘Type’ column in Rules

[Eric Sharakan]

I always assumed 'C' means condition and 'A' means action.  Given that 
most rules include both, you usually see "C A".


-Eric

On 28 Feb 2021, at 9:29, Jolin Warren wrote:


Hello all,

Something that has puzzled me about creating Rules in MailMate, is 
what the meaning of the `Type` column is? Every rule I create has a 
stylised `C A` in it:


[ "PastedImage.png" ]

What does this indicate? What other types are there? Haven’t been 
able to find this anywhere!


Thanks

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Re: [MlMt] Select Duplicates menu item always grayed out

[Eric Sharakan]

On 19 Feb 2021, at 9:59, Glenn Parker wrote:


On 19 Feb 2021, at 9:47, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Hi, I'm running r5757 and want to try to find and eliminate some 
duplicate messages, but no matter what mailbox or set of messages I 
select, the 'Edit->Select Duplicates' menu item remains grayed out.


Anyone else seeing this issue, or know how I'm supposed to use it?


For me, Select Duplicates is only available for regular folders (aka 
“mailbox”) under a Source, i.e. *not* “container” folders or 
smart folders.


I tried that; no joy.

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[MlMt] Select Duplicates menu item always grayed out

[Eric Sharakan]

Hi, I'm running r5757 and want to try to find and eliminate some 
duplicate messages, but no matter what mailbox or set of messages I 
select, the 'Edit->Select Duplicates' menu item remains grayed out.


Anyone else seeing this issue, or know how I'm supposed to use it?

Thanks.

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Re: [MlMt] have the headers stay on top when scrolling?

[Eric Sharakan]

On 17 Feb 2021, at 7:20, Jolin Warren wrote:

I don’t know if this helps diagnose the issue, but I get the same 
behaviour as Bill (and shown in his video): my headers stay in place 
and the body of the message scrolls up under them. I have customised 
my headers (in ~/Library/Application 
Support/MailMate/Resources/Layouts/headersFormatting.plist) but not 
the overall message view.


Running MailMate 1.13.2 (5673) on MacOS Mojave 10.14.6.

For everyone whose headers do not stay in place: Is this in a separate 
message viewer window, or are you seeing this in the viewing pane in a 
three-pane view?


For me (r5757 on Catalina) the headers don't stay in place in either 
case.


Does 5673 have the "new message view" enabled by default?  I'm wondering 
if this is an issue with the new message view, and if the older versions 
(as well as the 2.0 branch) aren't running it, that could be the 
difference?


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Re: [MlMt] Ex: mailmate Digest, Vol 119, Issue 7

[Eric Sharakan]

You might be right about ActiveSync; perhaps your school is only 
supporting that, rather than full Exchange w/Oauth2.  As for MM, I think 
the OAuth2 option only becomes available after entering the appropriate 
server hostnames for IMAP & SMTP (and maybe even hitting "apply").  
Also, I think r5757 is needed.


Good luck.

-Eric

On 4 Feb 2021, at 13:41, Harvey S. Leff wrote:

Thanks, Eric. Active Sync is evidently Microsoft's version of IMAP. It 
has been around for a while and MS is apparently claiming that Active 
Sync is more secure for mobile devices. I tried to set up a new IMAP 
account with MailMate, but get no screen showing the option of OAuth2, 
and I'm quite sure now that Active Sync is NOT OAuth2.


Harvey
~ ~ ~
On Feb 4, 2021, at 9:00 AM, 
mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com<mailto:mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com> 
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 00:23:24 -0500
From: "Eric Sharakan" 
mailto:eshara...@gmail.com>>
To: "MailMate Users" 
mailto:mailmate@lists.freron.com>>

Subject: Re: [MlMt] 2nd IT Service Notice: Campus Email Protocols
   IMAP/SMTP/POP Disabled - 2/1
Message-ID: 
mailto:b4b4ae90-efa1-4b6a-aa13-f17a713af...@gmail.com>>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"

I don't know too much about ActiveSync, but if it's Exchange 365 using
so-called modern Auth (i.e. OAuth2), my experience is that MailMate
r5757 works fine.  You need to select OAuth2 in the "IMAP Account
Settings" screen for both IMAP & SMTP.  Specify 
outlook.office365.com<http://outlook.office365.com/> as

the IMAP & SMTP Servers, enter your email address, and you'll
authenticate via a window that will appear.

It's possible the server side is configured to only allow specific 
mail

clients.  If that's the case, you'll see a message about MailMate not
being an approved client.  At that point you're at the mercy of your
school and whatever policies they have in place.

But it's worth a try, it might just work!

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Re: [MlMt] 2nd IT Service Notice: Campus Email Protocols IMAP/SMTP/POP Disabled - 2/1

[Eric Sharakan]

I don't know too much about ActiveSync, but if it's Exchange 365 using 
so-called modern Auth (i.e. OAuth2), my experience is that MailMate 
r5757 works fine.  You need to select OAuth2 in the "IMAP Account 
Settings" screen for both IMAP & SMTP.  Specify outlook.office365.com as 
the IMAP & SMTP Servers, enter your email address, and you'll 
authenticate via a window that will appear.


It's possible the server side is configured to only allow specific mail 
clients.  If that's the case, you'll see a message about MailMate not 
being an approved client.  At that point you're at the mercy of your 
school and whatever policies they have in place.


But it's worth a try, it might just work!

-Eric

On 3 Feb 2021, at 23:56, Charlie Garrison wrote:


On 4 Feb 2021, at 15:48, Harvey S. Leff wrote:

I know that MailMate is wedded to IMAP, which is fine with me. As a 
long-time MailMate user, I wonder if I can have my university mail 
automatically forwarded to another server, which can sync messages 
with MailMate using IMAP. Any ideas? Thanks.


I have no idea about forwarding, and really no idea about ActiveSync. 
But, a couple of years ago I used `davmail` to connect to work email 
Exchange. Maybe it will help with ActiveSync.


- https://github.com/mguessan/davmail
- http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/compfac/faq/davmail.html

-cng

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Re: [MlMt] Restore default "Mailing List" smart mailbox

[Eric Sharakan]

I sent screenshots of the smart mailbox settings (which show the same 
info as below), but my post has to be approved by the moderator since it 
was larger than 40KB(?).


-Eric

On 2 Feb 2021, at 20:58, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:

"List-Id→Identifier" "Exists", plus check "Submailbox for each 
unique

value of" "List-Id→Identifier", with a mailbox name format of


${list-id.description:${subject.blob:?${subject.blob:/capitalize}:${list-id.identifier.final-level}}}

and a parent mailbox of "All Messages".

On 2 Feb 2021, at 20:36, Michael Friedlander wrote:

I mistakenly deleted this mailbox. What is the condition that matches 
most mailing list items?


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Re: [MlMt] Crash when accessing "Open with"

[Eric Sharakan]

On 19 Jan 2021, at 5:48, Mark Wadham wrote:


On 18 Jan 2021, at 21:41, Glenn Parker wrote:
No problem for me with the attachments popup under MailMate 1.14 
(5757) running on Big Sur macOS 11.1.


Have you tried running MailMate from a Terminal window to see if any 
error messages are printed when the crash occurs?


I did yeah but there wasn't anything that I could decipher.
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Use the "Help->Send Feedback..." menu item to send the messages directly 
to Benny, and let him decipher. :-)


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Re: [MlMt] incorrect From:

[Eric Sharakan]

+1.  I reported this issue on this list before.  Search the archives for 
the subject "default account derived from context is not behaving?".


Here's the key point I posted at the end of that thread, and it still 
applies:


Hmm, so maybe MM keeps a notion of the most recently used from address 
to use when a new blank message is created.


Still, this is not the behavior I want.  If I have an account/identity 
with the same domain part as the To: address of the new message, I 
want that identity chosen.  Every time.


Thoughts Benny?

-Eric

On 14 Jan 2021, at 9:59, Niall O'Reilly wrote:


On 14 Jan 2021, at 1:09, Randy Bush wrote:


sigh.  i will make this error time and again


I sigh with you.

Since setting the recipient address(es) is what triggers the 
heuristic,

my trick is to set the From: address AFTER that.

If you can develop that habit, you will reduce the likelihood of 
error.


8-|
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Re: [MlMt] 5755 crashes at launch

[Eric Sharakan]

Hi Shoshanna, all the previous builds are available here:

https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/

I've bookmarked it, as it has saved me a couple times already.

-Eric

P.S. Builds will show up there that Benny hasn't announced or yet made 
available; I would avoid downloading any of those.


On 20 Dec 2020, at 8:57, Shoshanna Green wrote:

I just updated from whatever the immediately previous beta version was 
to 5755, and it repeatedly crashed on launch -- like, four times in a 
row. (I'm running MacOS 10.13.6 High Sierra; a crash log will have 
been sent to Benny.) So I redownloaded 5673, the last public release. 
Is the version before 5755 available in some hidden location, so that 
I can get back to the version I was running before, or shall I just 
wait for 5756?


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Re: [MlMt] Bugs in 5748

[Eric Sharakan]

I can confirm the second issue (running 5748).  I think it depends how 
you "exit" the search to trigger the issue.  But once in the problematic 
mode, it can be hard to get that search bar functional again!


-Eric

On 6 Dec 2020, at 14:52, Raza Rizvi wrote:


Hello,

A couple of bug reports:

Since 5726, if I attempt to save an attachment in a message using the 
Folder icon displayed within the message the application crashes BUT I 
can use Message/Save Attachments without issue.


Since 5742 (but I never tried this before), if you do a search using 
the search box and then doing something with the messages found, you 
will eventually go back to the regular view with all the messages 
(when you have finished doing whatever it was you wanted to do with 
the found messages). The search box still contains the string you last 
used, but if you click in that search box and press return (or use the 
drop down search icon and select the same search) it will not re-run 
the search. You either have to enter some other text to search for and 
then reenter your desired search OR select a previous search from the 
drop down search icon and then select your desired previous search 
(manually or from the drop down search icon).



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Re: [MlMt] Missing items on hidden prefs webpage

[Eric Sharakan]

See attached for how I learned about them. :-)

-Eric

On 26 Nov 2020, at 17:20, Antonio Leding wrote:


Hello all,

I am discovering at least a couple hidden preferences are not 
described on the actual hidden prefs webpage.  Is this expected?  Or 
have some of these hidden preferences become unhidden?


The ones in particular I am concerned with right now are 
“MmDeleteBehavior” and “MmAutomaticExpungeBehavior” - neither 
are on the hidden prefs webpage…

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On 19 Mar 2018, at 14:03, Eric Sharakan wrote:


On 19 Mar 2018, at 5:54, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

Sorry, the toolbar button is not configurable. I do have some notes 
on making the IMAP-expunge model a “real” feature in the sense of 
it just being a simple checkmark option in the Preferences. This 
would then include changing the behavior of the toolbar button.


That would be fabulous!  Please add my strong vote for this feature.


Try the latest test release: Hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check Now” 
in the Software Update preferences pane.


You should enable these settings:

defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmShowDeletedMessages -bool YES
	defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDeleteBehavior -string 
"markAsDeleted"


And possibly this one:

	defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmAutomaticExpungeBehavior -string 
"mailboxSwitch"


If you want GUI settings (Viewer prefs pane) then download the 2.0BETA 
(which has *a few* more features than 1.x): 
https://updates.mailmate-app.com/2.0/archives/MailMate_r6107.tbz


Also note that both versions support a `deleteBehavior` key in the 
`Sources.plist` file if you need to have different behaviors for 
different accounts (something requested by someone else).


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Re: [MlMt] Editing draft messages

[Eric Sharakan]

Does double-clicking on the message one-line header summary open it for 
editing?  That's how it works for drafts I save myself to come back to 
later; I would expect similar behavior regardless of how the message 
ended un in the Drafts folder.


-Eric

On 24 Nov 2020, at 12:45, Martin S Taylor wrote:

Suppose a colleague has access to a (joint) account, and writes an 
email on that account (not using MailMate). She doesn't send it, but 
saves it as a draft pending my approval.


It shows up in the Drafts folder on my machine. (Under 'Pending 
Submission' it says 'not available'.)


I'd now like to edit it to make some amendments. How can I do this?

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Re: [MlMt] Going back from BusyContacts to mac OS Contacts

[Eric Sharakan]

Hi, on my system that preference doesn't exist:

sharakan% defaults read com.freron.MailMate MmDefaultAddressBook
2020-11-20 07:56:20.794 defaults[11988:255383]
The domain/default pair of (com.freron.MailMate, MmDefaultAddressBook) 
does not exist


This means you can just delete the entry:

% defaults delete com.freron.MailMate MmDefaultAddressBook

-Eric

On 20 Nov 2020, at 2:38, Esteban Umerez wrote:


Hi,

I’ve been using BusyContacts for quite some time, and I set MailMate 
to direct the “Show” and “Add” menu items for email addresses 
to BusyContact, via the hidden preference showed here: 
https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences


Now I want to go back to the default behavior, since I dropped 
BusyContacts and went back to the mac OS Contacts app.


What would the terminal command be? Thanks in advance.

Best regards,

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Re: [MlMt] "Tags" column

[Eric Sharakan]

On 10 Nov 2020, at 11:22, Martin S Taylor wrote:


On 10 Nov 2020, at 16:15, Charlie Clark wrote:

One of the options for columns in the viewer window is Tags( ), with 
a mysterious symbol in the bracket. What is this?


Tags will be an array as multiple are possible.


Sorry, I don't understand this.

When I look at the column headed Tags() it's always empty.


Hi, you add your own emojis via the Tags preferences pane of MailMate.

-Eric



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Re: [MlMt] Can't edit pasted in To address in composer

[Eric Sharakan]

On 27 Oct 2020, at 11:32, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 27 Oct 2020, at 13:13, Eric Sharakan wrote:

The subject pretty much says it all - once I paste an address into 
the To: field of the composer, it gets a box drawn around it with a 
dropdown menu arrow on the right.  At that point, it's impossible to 
edit the address, I can only delete it.


Double-clicking it or selecting it and hitting space should put it 
into edit-mode. This doesn't work for you?


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Yes Benny, both those options work.  Has this always been the behavior?

I did try selecting it and hitting  (as you need to do when 
editing Finder filenames), but that didn't work.  Could that be made to 
work?


Thanks.

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[MlMt] Can't edit pasted in To address in composer

[Eric Sharakan]

The subject pretty much says it all - once I paste an address into the 
To: field of the composer, it gets a box drawn around it with a dropdown 
menu arrow on the right.  At that point, it's impossible to edit the 
address, I can only delete it.


Running r5726 on Catalina 10.15.7.

Thanks.

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Re: [MlMt] system alert sound randomly occurring when selecting messages in MM

[Eric Sharakan]

On 25 Oct 2020, at 16:59, Alexandre Takacs wrote:


On 25 Oct 2020, at 20:50, Eric Sharakan wrote:

It does sound like Lisa and I are describing two different issues.  
In my case, no menu item highlights, and no other App grabs the 
focus.  MM simply beeps at me when I select certain messages.  
Restarting MM resolves the issue, at least for a period of time.


I am "seeing" something similar here - does MM still accept _any_ form 
of keyboard input for you ?




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For me, MM remains completely responsive to all my inputs; it's just an 
unexpected alert sound, that's all.


Thanks.

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Re: [MlMt] system alert sound randomly occurring when selecting messages in MM

[Eric Sharakan]

On 25 Oct 2020, at 14:45, Glenn Parker wrote:


On 25 Oct 2020, at 13:46, Lisa Sieverts wrote:


Eric Sharakan  said:

Hi, has anyone else noticed this odd behavior: sometime MailMate 
will emit the system alert sound when I select certain messages for 
viewing.  I don't see anything unusual about the messages it chooses 
to do this with, and the behavior goes away (but eventually returns) 
if I restart MM.


YES I have seen this behavior every day. Since I don’t have sound 
on for alerts, the thing I notice is that as I’m going through my 
Inbox, every so often instead of a down arrow (or N/P with my key 
bindings) moving me to the next message, what I see is that the Apple 
Menu has been highlighted and opened instead. I have to click away 
from that and then highlight my next message in Mailmate and at that 
point I can work normally until the next time it happens. I see this 
behavior at least 2x and up to 10+ times in a typical day. I’d love 
to be able to stop this behavior.


It sounds like some other program is launching in the background and 
then stealing the keyboard focus from MailMate, perhaps some automatic 
update process (e.g. anti-virus, Adobe CC, even OS X)? If that update 
program doesn’t recognize your keyboard input, it would beep at you. 
I have seen DropBox and Google Backup & Restore do this, but not every 
day.


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It does sound like Lisa and I are describing two different issues.  In 
my case, no menu item highlights, and no other App grabs the focus.  MM 
simply beeps at me when I select certain messages.  Restarting MM 
resolves the issue, at least for a period of time.


Thanks.

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