Re: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata
I wouldn't actually say they were crap, just still miles behind everything else. Now as for Honda and Toyota thats a different story. Last few years both have actually been going backwards in their quality which in my opinion is because Honda is spending more money on Acura and Toyota doing the same for Lexus. Both Honda and Toyota are using cheaper materials and slacking on quality which maybe why Hyndai is catching up. Now I won't say VW is not beyond faults, but my Passat has far better road manners and higher fit and finish that not even Hyndai can compare. Now I do like the looks of the new Sonata and the even newer Azera which is nice, but they sort of look like what the Accord was 10 years ago. Now as for Subaru they have come a long way with their 4 wheel drive and personally they are doing what they should be, and thats getting better when all others are falling behind 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 18:58:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata My guess would be because most everyone on this list regards their Benz's as their babies and nothing else could compare. And most people regard Hyundai's as crap. And in my mind, the Benz's are just another car. A somewhat unique car, and some of them rather well built, but still another car that can break down. Hyundai's are something that WAS crap in the early 90's. I drove a friend's Excel that had about 12 inches of play in the steering wheel. Scared me to death to drive that thing. But from what I've read, the Hyundai's have come a LONG way in the last 5 or so years. They're now nearing in to Honda and Toyota territory, but with prices around $5K less. Of course to most of the people on this list Hondas and Toyotas are crap too. Personall, I like my 83' 300D. It's interesting. but I miss my 97' Subaru with 214K miles every day I'm in the Benz. When I'm in the Suby I just kinda miss a couple things about the Benz... (little more room, can run on anything liquid that burns) Levi On 3/8/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious here, why is everyone comparing a Hyndai with a MB? I know MB's have their faults, but comparing a disposable Korea car with something that has over a 100 year history doesn't make any sense to me. just my 2 cents here, the only reason why Hyndai offers such a good warrantee is because without it they would be forking out all kinds of money for forced recalls. Its not even in the same league as my Passat. again, just my 2 cents 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:11:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, BillR wrote: I only meant to say that the new Hyundai reached and cruised at 80 with relative ease. Okay, so a new Hyundai will reach 80 with relative ease... how about for fairness we compare to a newer MB diesel, or in the alternative, compare an older MB to an older Hyundai. (BTW, I had an older excel as a first car, it needed a rebuilt engine when I got it, and it loved head gaskets when exposed to extensive highway driving. When it downshifted while going downhill and barely mustering 20, I started looking for a cliff... (after about 20Kmi it started blowing between #3 and #4) -j. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- It isn't what you have, or who you are, or where you are, or what you are doing that makes you happy or unhappy. It is what you think about. -Dale Carnegie ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
[MBZ] OT: electronic weapons screening devices
electronic weapons screening devices are permanently in place at each entrance to the building What is an electronic weapons screening device? Other than a metal detector (which detects all metal objects), I can only imagine an x-ray type machine. Noit trying to start a long gun thread, just wondering and I BET someone here knows...prolly Mitch. Thanks, CM Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, Nanook -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Mar 09 00:40:35 2006 Received: from [70.184.21.200] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FH9Ck-0008NF-Pf for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 00:40:35 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:40:35 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 Freon X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 00:40:35 - anybody used autofrost? wilton strickland wrote: 'Ordered case of 12 12 oz. cans yesterday @ $250 from ATC Specialists, www.refrigerantsales.com 30 lb tnks also avail. @ $560. Substitute stuff avail, too. Wilton ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] HOLY CRAP
I will look tomorrow on my day off. tom savage wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Its listed the same as the dozens of others I have sold. Dont need a hollanders, I have the epc. Gotcha. How about an axle? ;) Tom ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Cladding
Question - as I mentioned, I spilled some fuel - can I flush it off with water? I'm sure it's on the bottom cover - I'd like toget it off of it. Will that cause any problems?. How about garden hose water? Question #2 - the body material below the beltline - about the lower 3rd of the body - what material is that? It's not as shiney as the upper part and *way* less magnetic. In's only very mildly magnetic while the upper is *very* magnetic. Anyway - curious about the material - aluminum alloy? something else? Should it be cared for with the same kind of stuff? (waxes, cleaners, etc) The cladding, being plastic, is not all that ferrous. It's painted with a slightly dull paint with it's own color code. Polish and wax it like the rest of the car. RLE
Re: [MBZ] Question and comment
Pour it in and you will smell like a mobile popcorn popper! I ran about 30% veggie oil back when #2 was $3.50, car ran smoother, no problems. Some say straight vegoil can cause problems but some mix probably won't. --R BillR wrote: For you folks into alternative fuels - never tried it, but have a quart of slightly used peanut oil I don't want to just dump. IIRC it would be fine to run it through a coffee filter and dump it in with 10 gal of Diesel. Any risks? There is an R500 and a CLS500 wandering the roads in our neighborhood [but closer to the river...]. I always think I am coming up on a Chrysler at first glance. Is there that much crossover designing? Kind of like the R500, though the CLS500 does seem an odd beast on casual drive-by inspection. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 'EM' 272k ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
But would it be worth doing all the crack? Seriously though, jesting aside: One of the things that I was most surprised about when I began to investigate an older Mercedes was how affordable they were. Not having had any specific interest in them in the past, I always assumed that even an old one (as in 80s) would be way way out of the range of reasonable (like the range you gave for the showroom cond. one). And an even older one would be getting into true classic status and thus would be even further out of range. So basically one that is in the lower $2k range is one that, generally speaking, has not been maintained and the seller therefore knows it has problems? I see all the time through the list, Mercedes diesels for that sort of price (and that's about what mine cost) and the listers often tout picking them up. Guess what I have been missing all along is that it is understood that if you buy one at this price range, you will be looking - almost for certain - at several repairs. I have read things today on the list that I did not see in the six months or longer leading up to the purchase of my 240D. But in fairness, it is a Mercedes enthusiast list (with a very large do-it-yourself contingent). What should I have expected? And also in fairness, I don't think that I ever specifically asked the question, do you guys think that I ought to buy one of these autos? All that said, I still do admire this type of vehicle and think that it is one of the few that - since I have to drive - I want to drive. I do enjoy it and look forward to a happy life with it. Next order of business: replace the starter. It did it's nothing trick just now. Brian 83 240D Marshall wrote: One that's quite well maintained, may well be worth $2000-5000 and one that's in close to showroom condition with less than 75kmi on it can sell for $10+k and MAY even be worth that. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
Brian said when I complain about it becoming a money pit, that there is nothing magic about these cars, they wear out and break too Yes Brian they do and if you are racking up 40 to 50K a year on them it reaches a real point of diminishing returns. I think I may minimize my loss on this, keep my low mileage 240D for another 200K (it has only 77K on it) and be happy Brian I guess a 30 year car is like a 100 year house. One side says it is a labor of love the other says it is a money pit. One thing for sure they both need alot of tlc and cash. Regards Tom - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads You'll probably find more helpful posts than this, but I can tell you that I just had the engine replaced in a 240D. Engine cost me 900 and the complete RR job done by an indy - not me - cost 800 (plus a couple unexpected expenses). The engine I got usually sells for 1100. Was it worth it to us? Yes, but as I discover more potentially broken or breaking things on the car, I begin to question it. I wanted one of these Mercedes diesels and then I became convinced by reading this list (and got the general impression that these cars are about as wonderful as tits and beer) but I'm getting the general impression lately, when I complain about it becoming a money pit, that there is nothing magic about these cars, they wear out and break too, it's just that if properly cared for, the diesel engines can last quite a long time. Wish you the best with your quest. Brian 83 240D On 3/8/06, Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few questions for the group please 1. Can a 1977 123 chassis take/accept an 617.9xx non turbo engine with out major modifications from the years 1978-1980 to last non turbo year? 2. What are the estimated hours to pull out existing 617.9xx engine, remove things such as alternators, refer compressors, ect. and then put a used motor into the car al the while attaching the ancillary stuff I just said and install the new engine. These would be the hours by a professional mechanic. 3. I assume, new tranny hoses, new lube oil hoses ect. while I am at it. 4. If you could share any experience you have. Is there a link for doing this job? I have located some used engines that have been compression tested and are in the 100K miles to 150K mile ranges, some which have been sitting for some time. I am at a cross roads on the path of deciding if the car is worth it. I do not have the scope of supply to do the job myself where I am located in life right now. Thanks in advance Tom Scordato ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
Marshall said If you can do it yourself or get a really cut rate, you can sometimes restore a car to service, but usually you are better off finding a replacement car that meets your needs Marshall you are right and I believe/Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads Tom Scordato wrote: I have located some used engines that have been compression tested and are in the 100K miles to 150K mile ranges, some which have been sitting for some time. I am at a cross roads on the path of deciding if the car is worth it. I do not have the scope of supply to do the job myself where I am located in life right now. Thanks in advance Tom Scordato Mercedes made a few changes every year and there certainly MIGHT be changes that would make slipping an '80-81 engine into a '77 chassis a challenge (but I'm almost sure it can be done). I would guess that 8 hours MIGHT do it if the mechanic were VERY experienced AND had done the job several times, but there are a LOT of variables that could increase the time by a lot. Unless the the car is in WAY, WAY above average condition I wouldn't suggest it with a nearly 30 year old (or even a 20 year old) car. It has NOT been economically advantageous for me to pay someone a proper fee to do such jobs (I've done it anyway). If you can do it yourself or get a really cut rate, you can sometimes restore a car to service, but usually you are better off finding a replacement car that meets your needs. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon
Out shopping I picked up some light bulbs to finish today's job, and while I was at it I did a gross test of the 0-60 time. (One-one thousand, two-one thousand...) Roughly 25 seconds, which is in the ballpark for these. Having putted around on errands in this thing I must say that except for the sluggish acceleration it's a fairly pleasant little ride. Cold-blooded starting, though. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] W126 Sunroof
Provided the sunroof can still be opened at least part way, lift angles will take at least a couple hours (nearly four for me the first time). Rear rubber can easily be done on jack stands, usually not too hard. May need to use the bolt to pull the rubber into the subframe on the front mounts. Peter
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
Brian said All that said, I still do admire this type of vehicle and think that it is one of the few that - since I have to drive - I want to drive. I do enjoy it and look forward to a happy life with it. As you should and will. Like I told my family who gives me grief that I do not or will not drive a rock climber: I will drive a Mercedes Diesel until I die, so get used to it. For me Brian I to bought a 185K 300D diesel which I did not have records on. But guess what I put 100K miles on it, had a lot of fun, worked on it, developed a love for a car I really enjoy driving. Luckily I bought a 1979 240D with low miles and I can start all over again! Thanks for your input and enjoy changing your starter out. I know on my 300D I had to remove the transmission dip stick tube but other that not too bad of a job. Kind of a reach around to get at the Allen bolts if I recall. Small stubby angle ratchet helps. Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: Brian Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads But would it be worth doing all the crack? Seriously though, jesting aside: One of the things that I was most surprised about when I began to investigate an older Mercedes was how affordable they were. Not having had any specific interest in them in the past, I always assumed that even an old one (as in 80s) would be way way out of the range of reasonable (like the range you gave for the showroom cond. one). And an even older one would be getting into true classic status and thus would be even further out of range. So basically one that is in the lower $2k range is one that, generally speaking, has not been maintained and the seller therefore knows it has problems? I see all the time through the list, Mercedes diesels for that sort of price (and that's about what mine cost) and the listers often tout picking them up. Guess what I have been missing all along is that it is understood that if you buy one at this price range, you will be looking - almost for certain - at several repairs. I have read things today on the list that I did not see in the six months or longer leading up to the purchase of my 240D. But in fairness, it is a Mercedes enthusiast list (with a very large do-it-yourself contingent). What should I have expected? And also in fairness, I don't think that I ever specifically asked the question, do you guys think that I ought to buy one of these autos? All that said, I still do admire this type of vehicle and think that it is one of the few that - since I have to drive - I want to drive. I do enjoy it and look forward to a happy life with it. Next order of business: replace the starter. It did it's nothing trick just now. Brian 83 240D Marshall wrote: One that's quite well maintained, may well be worth $2000-5000 and one that's in close to showroom condition with less than 75kmi on it can sell for $10+k and MAY even be worth that. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] W126 Sunroof
I think Diff mount may be easy for even an old fellow, how are the Should be. rear sub frame mounts, floor jack and jack stands of do you really need a lift and heavy tools? I did it on a 107 with nothing special. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT: Look, Ma! No mast!
Hey, Now we just need to adapt it for use when we're driving our Benzes downwind.. Rapid withdrawal and deployment absolutely needed Lt. Don Can we do this without a mast and spinnaker pole And how would we jibe?All in jest Take care, Chuck... On Mar 8, 2006, at 12:44 PM, Dave M. wrote: This is too cool. Reminds me of Kevin Costner's little trick in 'Waterworld'. I wonder how it would work on a 240D? http://www.bookofjoe.com/2005/09/skysail_the_kit.html ;-) -- Dave M. Boise, ID 1994 E500 - 95kmi (Q-ship) 1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
There are good Mercedes and bad ones. It really depends on the prior maintenance. One thing is for sure once a car reaches a critical threshold of broken stuff it is junk. That threshold varies depending on what is wrong, and your DIY abilities and interests. But even a junk car, such as the Frankenheap, can be good transportation. There is nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes... ... IF you try to make it into what it is not. So long as the paint is good, it isn't rusty and the interior is in decent shape, and the engine isn't toast these cars can be brought back, and often for surprisingly little. It's those former items that are stunningly expensive to put right. Even the engine needn't be expensive IF you have a source of cheap engines, and IF you DIY. I am into that 240D for about $129 in repairs, and more than 40 hours of labor. (Way more, if I were really counting.) It is shaping up to be a nice little car, but it is limited by being a slug, and by the scrape on the side. But it is rust-free, the paint shines up, and the interior is pretty good. Just horribly lacking in competent maintenance recently, and in TLC. just had the engine replaced in a 240D. Engine cost me 900 and the complete RR job done by an indy - not me - cost 800 (plus a couple unexpected Or for me, assuming I waited for a U-Pull to cruise by, it would be something like $200. Quite a range, only you can tell where you are in the continuum and what your threshold of pain is. It'll cost you, one way or another. Money vs time... Today, I have time. A year ago, I had money. (Didn't spend it, though. I guess I was in training for this year!) the general impression that these cars are about as wonderful as tits and beer) but I'm getting the general impression lately, when I complain about it becoming a money pit, that there is nothing magic about these cars, they wear out and break too, it's just that if properly cared for, the diesel engines can last quite a long time. They _are_ about as wonderful as TB. But to quote any number of people, If it's got tits or tires it's going to give you trouble. It's a car, get used to it! It's not just that it has a long-lasting engine, the general fit finish and engineering of the cars is very good. One that's in good shape is a joy to drive, and its smile factor as general transportation beats anything that's not exotic, IMHO. I think they hold up much better than about anything else, over the span of decades. And they're easy to work on, and things tend to stay fixed if you do it right. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
Thanks Tom. You are fortunate to have that 240 with those low miles. Mine, at 121k when purchased, seemed to be a great thing - just a baby - someone said. And it certainly would seem that your 300 was a good experience too. Actually I have already RR'd the starter and it was very simple. The only problem, in fact, was physically extracting the thing from the engine compartment. The first time I did it I struggled a good while but got it. The second time I failed to get it lifted out, even though I rotated it like I did before. Fortunately, the engine was shot and it was no problem to just go ahead and yank off a radiator hose to gain clearance. No AT dipstick tube to worry about for me. The only other problem with the starter RR will be telling wife that it needs it. Heck it'll get her broken in for when I have to say that we should get the suspension checked out. (on this vehicle that was mostly my idea and was supposed to be such a good thing for us to do) One way that I like to look at it is that one can either make car payments like 90% of the population does, OR drive something older with more character that will probably need periodic repairs. But compare these bills with car payments that are guaranteed to be coming in the mail. Another benefit of driving something older and more unique is that you are not likely to see half a dozen other drivers each day driving exactly what you have. In fact, if you do run into someone who is driving what you have, it is an occasion to smile and wave. Brian 83 240D On 3/8/06, Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian said All that said, I still do admire this type of vehicle and think that it is one of the few that - since I have to drive - I want to drive. I do enjoy it and look forward to a happy life with it. As you should and will. Like I told my family who gives me grief that I do not or will not drive a rock climber: I will drive a Mercedes Diesel until I die, so get used to it. For me Brian I to bought a 185K 300D diesel which I did not have records on. But guess what I put 100K miles on it, had a lot of fun, worked on it, developed a love for a car I really enjoy driving. Luckily I bought a 1979 240D with low miles and I can start all over again! Thanks for your input and enjoy changing your starter out. I know on my 300D I had to remove the transmission dip stick tube but other that not too bad of a job. Kind of a reach around to get at the Allen bolts if I recall. Small stubby angle ratchet helps. Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: Brian Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads But would it be worth doing all the crack? Seriously though, jesting aside: One of the things that I was most surprised about when I began to investigate an older Mercedes was how affordable they were. Not having had any specific interest in them in the past, I always assumed that even an old one (as in 80s) would be way way out of the range of reasonable (like the range you gave for the showroom cond. one). And an even older one would be getting into true classic status and thus would be even further out of range. So basically one that is in the lower $2k range is one that, generally speaking, has not been maintained and the seller therefore knows it has problems? I see all the time through the list, Mercedes diesels for that sort of price (and that's about what mine cost) and the listers often tout picking them up. Guess what I have been missing all along is that it is understood that if you buy one at this price range, you will be looking - almost for certain - at several repairs. I have read things today on the list that I did not see in the six months or longer leading up to the purchase of my 240D. But in fairness, it is a Mercedes enthusiast list (with a very large do-it-yourself contingent). What should I have expected? And also in fairness, I don't think that I ever specifically asked the question, do you guys think that I ought to buy one of these autos? All that said, I still do admire this type of vehicle and think that it is one of the few that - since I have to drive - I want to drive. I do enjoy it and look forward to a happy life with it. Next order of business: replace the starter. It did it's nothing trick just now. Brian 83 240D Marshall wrote: One that's quite well maintained, may well be worth $2000-5000 and one that's in close to showroom condition with less than 75kmi on it can sell for $10+k and MAY even be worth that. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
Re: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata
yes, my point was really the clutter and a hard drive stuffed to the gills. Funny thing though, the folks that have left a 2-3 yr old windows machine for a fast new mac never seem to be as vocal about how much faster it is. And I know there have been people switching that way too. At 01:16 PM 3/8/2006, you wrote: Loren, Sometimes a really old Mac can run circles around your newer PC. I snagged a Mac Plus for $20 and loaded it with excel. Then I ran the same spreadsheet on my then new PII. The Plus was faster in all computations. On Wednesday, March 8, 2006, at 06:55 AM, Loren Faeth wrote: Comparing a 30 year old auto design to a new one is analogous to the people who would condemn all Macs because they bought a new pc and it was way faster than their 6 or 7 year old mac with all kinds of junk on it and an overstuffed hard drive. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT: Look, Ma! No mast!
The tac is the difficult part to master while going down the Interstate. On 3/8/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Now we just need to adapt it for use when we're driving our Benzes downwind.. Rapid withdrawal and deployment absolutely needed Lt. Don Can we do this without a mast and spinnaker pole And how would we jibe?All in jest Take care, Chuck... On Mar 8, 2006, at 12:44 PM, Dave M. wrote: This is too cool. Reminds me of Kevin Costner's little trick in 'Waterworld'. I wonder how it would work on a 240D? http://www.bookofjoe.com/2005/09/skysail_the_kit.html ;-) -- Dave M. Boise, ID 1994 E500 - 95kmi (Q-ship) 1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
Brian Chase wrote: So basically one that is in the lower $2k range is one that, generally speaking, has not been maintained and the seller therefore knows it has problems? You seem to imagine that the prices being asked and given actually correlate with the car's condition. Sometimes they do, but often cars sell for MUCH more or less than logic would suggest. Who's to say that the seller knows anything about the value of the car to anyone but him/herself? You need to be able to reliably determine the condition of the car and then pay no more than it's worth TO YOU. Then you're in charge. If you don't have the skill and knowledge to do that, the risk is very great. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
Your new acqusition sounds a lot like mine - the paint that shines up (though the blemishes up close are depressing) the good interior, the no rust, even the scrape on the side. Your summary of WHY these autos are so good is useful. That's the type of pertinent answer I was looking for - as opposed to Mercedes' are great, don't you know that? Brian 83 240D Jim wrote: There is nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes... ... IF you try to make it into what it is not. So long as the paint is good, it isn't rusty and the interior is in decent shape, and the engine isn't toast these cars can be brought back, and often for surprisingly little. It's those former items that are stunningly expensive to put right. Even the engine needn't be expensive IF you have a source of cheap engines, and IF you DIY. the general impression that these cars are about as wonderful as tits and beer) but I'm getting the general impression lately, when I complain about it becoming a money pit, that there is nothing magic about these cars, they wear out and break too, it's just that if properly cared for, the diesel engines can last quite a long time. They _are_ about as wonderful as TB. But to quote any number of people, If it's got tits or tires it's going to give you trouble. It's a car, get used to it! It's not just that it has a long-lasting engine, the general fit finish and engineering of the cars is very good. One that's in good shape is a joy to drive, and its smile factor as general transportation beats anything that's not exotic, IMHO. I think they hold up much better than about anything else, over the span of decades. And they're easy to work on, and things tend to stay fixed if you do it right. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels
In the first message of this thread, you quoted $159.95 each - after-market? Is this last quote for MB original wheels at $235.75 each? On 3/8/06, Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, $235.75 each. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
As Herr Doktor says is true. I would like to point out that it is a lot cheaper to risk making a mistake with a kaleb car or a $2500 car or even a $5000 car than to make a mistake with a collectable car that sells in the 30k to 500k range or more. I have made a couple of mistakes with $1000 cars, but it didn't kill me and I am not crying over it. I figure it is all tuition we pay for the education. Loren At 08:24 PM 3/8/2006, you wrote: Brian Chase wrote: So basically one that is in the lower $2k range is one that, generally speaking, has not been maintained and the seller therefore knows it has problems? You seem to imagine that the prices being asked and given actually correlate with the car's condition. Sometimes they do, but often cars sell for MUCH more or less than logic would suggest. Who's to say that the seller knows anything about the value of the car to anyone but him/herself? You need to be able to reliably determine the condition of the car and then pay no more than it's worth TO YOU. Then you're in charge. If you don't have the skill and knowledge to do that, the risk is very great. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
Tom, I like and agree with your philosophy-I will always drive a MB diesel for the rest of my life-I have two sitting in the driveway right now. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Scordato Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads Brian said All that said, I still do admire this type of vehicle and think that it is one of the few that - since I have to drive - I want to drive. I do enjoy it and look forward to a happy life with it. As you should and will. Like I told my family who gives me grief that I do not or will not drive a rock climber: I will drive a Mercedes Diesel until I die, so get used to it. For me Brian I to bought a 185K 300D diesel which I did not have records on. But guess what I put 100K miles on it, had a lot of fun, worked on it, developed a love for a car I really enjoy driving. Luckily I bought a 1979 240D with low miles and I can start all over again! Thanks for your input and enjoy changing your starter out. I know on my 300D I had to remove the transmission dip stick tube but other that not too bad of a job. Kind of a reach around to get at the Allen bolts if I recall. Small stubby angle ratchet helps. Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: Brian Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads But would it be worth doing all the crack? Seriously though, jesting aside: One of the things that I was most surprised about when I began to investigate an older Mercedes was how affordable they were. Not having had any specific interest in them in the past, I always assumed that even an old one (as in 80s) would be way way out of the range of reasonable (like the range you gave for the showroom cond. one). And an even older one would be getting into true classic status and thus would be even further out of range. So basically one that is in the lower $2k range is one that, generally speaking, has not been maintained and the seller therefore knows it has problems? I see all the time through the list, Mercedes diesels for that sort of price (and that's about what mine cost) and the listers often tout picking them up. Guess what I have been missing all along is that it is understood that if you buy one at this price range, you will be looking - almost for certain - at several repairs. I have read things today on the list that I did not see in the six months or longer leading up to the purchase of my 240D. But in fairness, it is a Mercedes enthusiast list (with a very large do-it-yourself contingent). What should I have expected? And also in fairness, I don't think that I ever specifically asked the question, do you guys think that I ought to buy one of these autos? All that said, I still do admire this type of vehicle and think that it is one of the few that - since I have to drive - I want to drive. I do enjoy it and look forward to a happy life with it. Next order of business: replace the starter. It did it's nothing trick just now. Brian 83 240D Marshall wrote: One that's quite well maintained, may well be worth $2000-5000 and one that's in close to showroom condition with less than 75kmi on it can sell for $10+k and MAY even be worth that. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon
Jim Good. Drive it like you stole it and put some purge or other diesel additive in and push it hard. (Sorry Marshall, about eh additive part. My 240D is nothing like it was 4 years ago when I got it. Now borders on responsive to the throttle on the highway. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon Out shopping I picked up some light bulbs to finish today's job, and while I was at it I did a gross test of the 0-60 time. (One-one thousand, two-one thousand...) Roughly 25 seconds, which is in the ballpark for these. Having putted around on errands in this thing I must say that except for the sluggish acceleration it's a fairly pleasant little ride. Cold-blooded starting, though. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Get studs. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions Limited slip in my opinion is not terribly useful on ice anyway as the two drive wheels will just hook up and spin the car in circles. My Dad had a Chevy Tracker with a limited slip rear and in ice and snow you had to be in 4wd because of its frightening propensity to fishtail. I never did try it with a bunch of weight in the rear end, in retrospect that seems like a good idea. At any rate, my 240D even with snow tires will spin the tires on ice. Its ICE for crying out loud... -Curt Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:56:10 -0600 From: Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal response and some snickering (over the thought of a 240D spinning its tires). My response is still the same. Why would one need limited slip on a car that will not spin a tire on ice?? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Marshall. You're right. Goes through snow like a plow. Reminds me of my 64 Chevy II. I did get it hung up once when I ran a 12 plow ridge and had to shovel to bring it down to earth. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marshall Booth Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Agreed. I don't have weight in the trunk but have studs on all four corners-walks through 4 or 5 of snow no problems and no slip on the take off. Stops well with the studs too. With studded snows on all four corners there is almost NOTHING except 12+ of unplowed, unpacked snow (the car will simply sit on top with the wheels dangling) that will stop MOST Mercedes. They will stop and steer pretty well too. While I've never found an anti-slip rear to be essential under bad conditions (I've never been stranded because I didn't have it), I'm told that the handling of '90s model 124s/140s with ASR is somewhat amazing on snow or ice! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels
Ouch Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels In the first message of this thread, you quoted $159.95 each - after-market? Is this last quote for MB original wheels at $235.75 each? On 3/8/06, Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, $235.75 each. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
Of course not. Let me try to phrase things better: What DOES explain the great variance in asking price of these vehicles? Let's remove the variable of folks being on crack for the moment. I mean, if some people ask 8 or 10 thousand for their 123, what's stopping everybody from doing so? There is something there that doesn't seem congruous. When my wife and I started investigating buying a diesel Mercedes, we were struck by this phenomenon. Just look at AutoTrader.com and you'll see that at the top of the list are the attrociously priced ones, then you find the reasonably priced ones, then the cheapos at the bottom. But the divide between the attrocious ones and the reasonable ones shows that there are two types of sellers out there. THIS is the situation that I have wondered about. I've taken to assuming that those asking such high prices are playing off the name badge Mercedes. And those who ask more reasonable prices are being more realistic. If it wasn't for the down-to-earth info. on this list, I would've believed the attrocious sellers - afterall it's a Mercedes! But I was surprised to hear, from the Doktor, that some of those $10k prices might actually be warranted. Hope this clears up what I was getting at when I said that some sellers ask much lower prices, and the only explanation that I could come up with is that there are such obvious problems with the vehicle that they know they can't realistically ask too much. Brian Marshall wrote: You seem to imagine that the prices being asked and given actually correlate with the car's condition. On 3/8/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Chase wrote: So basically one that is in the lower $2k range is one that, generally speaking, has not been maintained and the seller therefore knows it has problems? You seem to imagine that the prices being asked and given actually correlate with the car's condition. Sometimes they do, but often cars sell for MUCH more or less than logic would suggest. Who's to say that the seller knows anything about the value of the car to anyone but him/herself? You need to be able to reliably determine the condition of the car and then pay no more than it's worth TO YOU. Then you're in charge. If you don't have the skill and knowledge to do that, the risk is very great. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
I'm not too encouraged by what happened a few minutes ago. I spun one wheel while trying to back up onto the concrete pad I park on. Not ice, not snow, just rain water. It is a slight incline. I couldn't tell you which tire was spinning. One may or may not have been on the concrete as opposed to the asphalt beside it. There is very good tread remaining on the Michelins, and they are the type with a channel down the center for rain. But, I do recognize that the tires are likely old and they sat in the AZ sun for who knows for how long. I know with certainty that had there been H2O in any other state present I would not have been able to park. Brian 83 240D
Re: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hyundai's are something that WAS crap in the early 90's. I drove a friend's Excel that had about 12 inches of play in the steering wheel. Scared me to death to drive that thing. But from what I've read, the Hyundai's have come a LONG way in the last 5 or so years. They're now nearing in to Honda and Toyota territory, but with prices around $5K less. Of course to most of the people on this list Hondas and Toyotas are crap too. Check the fine print on the warranty. Again, this is early 90's but the factory powertrain warranty did not cover items like the transmission control computer ($400+ in parts only!), or the rear main oil seal (we won't go into that) but OTOH, a coworker drives a little accent from Littlestown, PA to Reston, VA daily without too much problem. Me, I just drive the Benzes because of safety and the klatta :) (and because I could test drive it before plunking cash down!) -j.
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
I've bought five MB diesels in the last four years with less total money than I paid for a used Camry. I paid too much for two of them, got very good deals on two others and one was just about right. The SDL that I paid much too much for has costs me the most and is still not in good shape. The best deal has costs very little, so what I paid did not match what I got. BTW, the 240D manual can hang in there in any traffic, bugs die on the windshield all the time. I was pleasantly surprised at that. So far the SDLs are my choice, these are awesome cars and I'll keep both of them. I know, I don't need this many cars and I have a reduction plan in mind. Harry Watkins Newton, MS 86 SDL Silver 85 300D Euro 86 SDL Gold 81 240D manual trans 85 TD As Herr Doktor says is true. I would like to point out that it is a lot cheaper to risk making a mistake with a kaleb car or a $2500 car or even a $5000 car than to make a mistake with a collectable car that sells in the 30k to 500k range or more. I have made a couple of mistakes with $1000 cars, but it didn't kill me and I am not crying over it. I figure it is all tuition we pay for the education. Loren
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
On Mar 8, 2006, at 9:05 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: Actually I have already RR'd the starter and it was very simple. The only problem, in fact, was physically extracting the thing from the engine compartment. The first time I did it I struggled a good while but got it. The second time I failed to get it lifted out, even though I rotated it like I did before. Fortunately, the engine was shot and it was no problem to just go ahead and yank off a radiator hose to gain clearance. No AT dipstick tube to worry about for me. They come out the bottom, moving the steering linkage to the right position gives it enough room. It has to be flipped and spun but they come out easily. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] W126 Sunroof
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Peter Frederick wrote: Rear rubber can easily be done on jack stands, usually not too hard. May need to use the bolt to pull the rubber into the subframe on the front mounts. Actually you need allthread nuts and washers to push the old one out, IIRC. The new one slides right in with a good helping of CRC silicone spray. -j.
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
On Mar 8, 2006, at 9:59 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: Hope this clears up what I was getting at when I said that some sellers ask much lower prices, and the only explanation that I could come up with is that there are such obvious problems with the vehicle that they know they can't realistically ask too much. Brian Realistically most people really are not aware of the actual value of their vehicles. I tend to get great deals but I have been involved with cars all my life and a professional mechanic for more than 30 years. People give me cars that get put to use or go to parts. Case in point: my new 1986 190D 2.5 Euro. I paid $1200 for an original owner car with 62,000mi that needed a paint job and some inexpensive stuff. I have $2600 into it and it is near perfect. You really have to know what you're doing when you buy and repair the car or you stand to have a costly bad experience. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
You might want to find a set of Goodyear Regatta 2s while they are still available. They have yet to let me down in rain, snow or ice (in west-central Iowa, snow/ice country). They have been discontinued but are still available from stock. In fact, I ordered 4 today (13, really rare) for my VW. On 3/8/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not too encouraged by what happened a few minutes ago. I spun one wheel while trying to back up onto the concrete pad I park on. Not ice, not snow, just rain water. It is a slight incline. I couldn't tell you which tire was spinning. One may or may not have been on the concrete as opposed to the asphalt beside it. There is very good tread remaining on the Michelins, and they are the type with a channel down the center for rain. But, I do recognize that the tires are likely old and they sat in the AZ sun for who knows for how long. I know with certainty that had there been H2O in any other state present I would not have been able to park. Brian 83 240D ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
[MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4619547721 One day left. Current bid $1525.00 Craig
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: I'm not too encouraged by what happened a few minutes ago. I spun one wheel while trying to back up onto the concrete pad I park on. Not ice, not snow, just rain water. It is a slight incline. I couldn't tell you which tire was spinning. One may or may not have been on the concrete as opposed to the asphalt beside it. There is very good tread remaining on the Michelins, and they are the type with a channel down the center for rain. But, I do recognize that the tires are likely old and they sat in the AZ sun for who knows for how long. I know with certainty that had there been H2O in any other state present I would not have been able to park. Brian 83 240D Sounds like you are down on these cars, maybe you acted hastily and made a mistake. You won't be the first or last to have done so. The up side is, if you get the car into good shape, it should give you many trouble-free years of driving. I'm sure that there are many on this list who have way more $$$ in their cars than they are worth. I see a lot of folks willing to throw parts at their problems until they get it right rather than properly diagnose problems. Its tricky if you don't know your shit. Then again, they are not for everybody. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Uh ... yea, guilty as charged. And I don't regret a penny of it. On 3/8/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure that there are many on this list who have way more $$$ in their cars than they are worth. -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Ahhh yes but I also remember reading that those Aquatred or whatever tires are absolutely shit when trying to reverse! That was the first thing I heard about them as a problem... Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:43 PM, LT Don wrote: Uh ... yea, guilty as charged. And I don't regret a penny of it. You should have no regrets. Somehow or another you got your moneys worth. Even if all you get out of it was an education in what not to do again. Hobbies usually cost money. You could spend it on much worse things for sure. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
[MBZ] speaking of wheels
Speaking of wheels, I have a set of 4 E300 wheels on ebay, along with a 5th matching wheel, some US DOT and euro lamps, a set of new Bilstein shocks/struts and more. Here's the link to the wheels: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1,1item=8044506673sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT Thanks! Lee
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Then again, they [Benz] are not for everybody. My brother, the mechanic, hates them. Of course, he's rarely worked on them and never driven one. He's into GM, or Toyota. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
in good shape. The best deal has costs very little, so what I paid did not match what I got. The best deal is not usually the best car, in any but perhaps the purely monetary sense. My best deal is probably the Frankenheap. But it's not a datemobile, to say the least! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
But I was surprised to hear, from the Doktor, that some of those $10k prices might actually be warranted. Not really if you stop to think about, with maybe a parts catalog for reference. If you love such a car, and want it to be in near-new condition you can buy one for $10k (say), or spend $12k-20k (if not more) making one yourself. Auto restorers see this all the time. The balancing act is to determine what you can be happy with, matching your finances, abilities, and interests against what is out there, and then buy it. What _I'm_ looking for is radically different than the no-the-ashtray-is-dirty brigade. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
John: I am 53 years old. I expect to still be driving this same 240D when the State of Iowa makes me surrender my license in three or four decades. (I drive about 6000 miles a year.) It will be a rusty SOB by then, but I think the engine will still be cranking out that 68 horsepower and burning a few quarts of Mobil 1 Spaceship/Spacestation (by then) every so often. On 3/8/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:43 PM, LT Don wrote: Uh ... yea, guilty as charged. And I don't regret a penny of it. You should have no regrets. Somehow or another you got your moneys worth. Even if all you get out of it was an education in what not to do again. Hobbies usually cost money. You could spend it on much worse things for sure. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Michelins are not exactly a good measure of traction ,especially in water or worse. The things last forever, but their hard compounds are generally pretty scary on slippery surfaces. This would be even worse if they were dried out. Michelins are bad enough on cars,, on big trucks those things used to scare me to death. --Robert Zoltan Finks wrote: I'm not too encouraged by what happened a few minutes ago. I spun one wheel while trying to back up onto the concrete pad I park on. Not ice, not snow, just rain water. It is a slight incline. I couldn't tell you which tire was spinning. One may or may not have been on the concrete as opposed to the asphalt beside it. There is very good tread remaining on the Michelins, and they are the type with a channel down the center for rain. But, I do recognize that the tires are likely old and they sat in the AZ sun for who knows for how long. I know with certainty that had there been H2O in any other state present I would not have been able to park. Brian 83 240D ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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GM??? How can anyone possibly defend the most cynical mediocre company in the world??? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeff Zedic Toronto
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I know I may sound that way. But I'd refer you to another post or two that I've made tonight while I should be working. I stated that I really do like these autos and they are one of the few types that I want to drive. If I sound negative on them don't be offended, guys. I think I am gradually waking up to the reality of actual ownership after 1.5 yrs. of wanting, then owning but not being able to drive it because of junk engine. The talk on the list coupled with my desire to get one had me feeling that ownership would be mostly bliss. On a positive note, a brief drive tonight to the store for grocs. was quite pleasing (after commuting in the Saab for the last week and half). The Mercedes is such a soothing, solid, pleasing experience, in contrast to the more hectic, harsh, zippy feeling from the other car. Of course, zippy can be very good too. Brian 83 240D John wrote: Sounds like you are down on these cars, maybe you acted hastily and made a mistake. On 3/8/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: I'm not too encouraged by what happened a few minutes ago. I spun one wheel while trying to back up onto the concrete pad I park on. Not ice, not snow, just rain water. It is a slight incline. I couldn't tell you which tire was spinning. One may or may not have been on the concrete as opposed to the asphalt beside it. There is very good tread remaining on the Michelins, and they are the type with a channel down the center for rain. But, I do recognize that the tires are likely old and they sat in the AZ sun for who knows for how long. I know with certainty that had there been H2O in any other state present I would not have been able to park. Brian 83 240D Sounds like you are down on these cars, maybe you acted hastily and made a mistake. You won't be the first or last to have done so. The up side is, if you get the car into good shape, it should give you many trouble-free years of driving. I'm sure that there are many on this list who have way more $$$ in their cars than they are worth. I see a lot of folks willing to throw parts at their problems until they get it right rather than properly diagnose problems. Its tricky if you don't know your shit. Then again, they are not for everybody. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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I like sticky all weather tires. I generally look for T rated A A or AB tires that have fairly soft compounds. They may not go 100K, but i won't end up in the ditch or worse either. When i got my 200D back in 72, i bought a set of dunlops to go with it. These tires had a mini dog-biscuit tread pattern, were sticky, but wore adequately (40K range). I've not seen anything else as good in all conditions since. I could plow snow with that car on those tires. Well, the blizzacks are good in winter, but they are not a year round tire. I am currently trying out contis. When i could get German Contis, that was all I'd buy. The jury is still out on these US (general) contis. Michelins, in my experience rarely wear out, but slip belts and otherwise go to pot. They are overpriced. They are french. I don't want them. Finding good tires at a reasonable price in the US is a problem. The blizzacks and Nokis are overpriced too. Bad years are overpriced an usually slip belts, but when I bought the vw it was on expensive goodyears, and they did actually last until they wore out! I was impressed with them, but they were probably $400 back then (1987) I could buy Contis for $30 each at the time. I have NEVER had a German Conti come apart or slip a belt. I ran them on the ford van (6 Ply rated) the MB, the valiant, the escort, the Datsun and never had any trouble. I even had frenchy Kleber tires on the valiant when we sold it. (cause there were no Contis available in that size at the time) They seemed to do ok and had a grippy tread pattern and decent compound. I had expensive Toyos on the Escort, cause Lex Brodie said they were good, and you don't have a lot of choices in Honolulu. I was not happy with them. They came apart after a year or two. I have been running some Remingtons on my SDLs but they don't grip in snow and ice. I have been running blizzacks in the winter, but this winter is about the end for them as a set of 4. I think I can get one more winter out of 2 of them. As with all tires, your mileage may vary, and it depends on the car and driver. I am a Dieseler. I rarely go over 80 and don't drive the SCCA circuit. But I drive 30-60K a year. Medium grade, all season tires are suited for this application I won't buy hard high mileage tires. They will wreck your car and can kill you and other people. My mantra: Good, sticky tires are cheap insurance. $0.02 Loren Lotsa MBs now A company Dog Caravan I drive sometimes. At 10:26 PM 3/8/2006, you wrote: Michelins are not exactly a good measure of traction ,especially in water or worse. The things last forever, but their hard compounds are generally pretty scary on slippery surfaces. This would be even worse if they were dried out. Michelins are bad enough on cars,, on big trucks those things used to scare me to death. --Robert Zoltan Finks wrote: I'm not too encouraged by what happened a few minutes ago. I spun one wheel while trying to back up onto the concrete pad I park on. Not ice, not snow, just rain water. It is a slight incline. I couldn't tell you which tire was spinning. One may or may not have been on the concrete as opposed to the asphalt beside it. There is very good tread remaining on the Michelins, and they are the type with a channel down the center for rain. But, I do recognize that the tires are likely old and they sat in the AZ sun for who knows for how long. I know with certainty that had there been H2O in any other state present I would not have been able to park. Brian 83 240D ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] head gasket OM 617
1985 300TD has high pressure in the radiator tank even when cold. Runs low on coolant, but only about twice a year, no visible leak. Mileage has decreased from 26 - 21mpg, no detectable loss of power. Performed coolant chemical test for leak, which was negative. Is this the head gasket? If so, anyone have a rebuilt head they'd like to get rid of? Not in a big rush to fix it, but would like my 26mpg back! Thanks, Karl - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Mar 09 06:12:25 2006 Received: from web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.200.77]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FHENt-0003xR-4j for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 06:12:25 + Received: (qmail 50680 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Mar 2006 06:12:22 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=n3paEnQHxWAJXtlO5wb02jjtjLKz6qH+2Tzdxbvy2OLMlEmzbIhQCWicLkJ9Qc/BHh47fRl12+4zKawTxt8eRKeTEdgy4hSVr8To2VthB4BJ/ogWFgyuo8Y+SbAz/nzNjEUwsoMYIYekgdI1iAdc680BE4EUbJ2f/kZw3/LMFag= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [71.138.62.101] by web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:12:22 PST Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:12:22 -0800 (PST) From: michael smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: [MBZ] Anybody need front coil springs for 450SL? X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 06:12:25 - I have these left over from a older car that was damaged...the springs were only on the car 6 months... Also have brake pads for W116 (rear) and multiple front brake calipers for W116 Mike in San Diego - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Mar 09 06:33:25 2006 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.152]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FHEi8-0005U4-21 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 06:33:25 + Received: from ringbill.gull.us (gull.us[24.18.9.231]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id 20060309063236m1200mg11pe; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 06:32:36 + Received: from grackle ([192.168.1.5]) by ringbill.gull.us with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.51 (FreeBSD)) id 1FHEhO-000KCI-Ro for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:32:34 -0800 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:32:36 -0800 From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050715) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 06:33:26 - One trick I've sometimes used for getting moving on slick surfaces, without a limited slip, is to set the parking brake a few notches, so it just starts to drag. The added drag tends to stop the wheel with poor traction from spinning quite so much, diverting more power to the wheel that has better traction. Sort of a poor man's traction control. Obviously this only works on RWD cars and requires a working
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Great info. I am very interested in what you wrote about the assigning of fault in the case of crashing into or with someone in snow or ice. I have never heard that fault may be assigned based on the type of tires one has. Does this mean that someone with a rear drive car would get blamed over someone with a front drive car? And would someone with four wheel drive win in court over someone with front drive? In other words, does this law (is it really a law, or is it an insurance company guideline, or what is it?) apply to anything other than tires? Thanks Brian 83 240D Robert wrote: and in most cases, if you get tangled up with another car in the snow, and the other guy doesn't have real snow tires ( all seasons don't count ) it generally automatically becomes the other guys fault ( it's called not having proper safety equipment for conditions ).
Re: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't the new Hyundai's being offered with 10 yr warranties? Not sure what the mileage limit is - but it's probably too low. I think it's 10 years/100,000 miles, on the powertrain. If GM (or Mercedes!) would offer such a warranty, it'd go a long way towards reassuring people about their reliability. Of course, they'd probably also lose a lot of money on it.
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A lot of talk about studded tires. I've never used them so let me ask: Do they wear out very quickly on dry pavement? Or can you use them throughout the winter - even if conditions are dry - and if so, how many seasons do they last? I would think that the studs, if used in dry conditions at all would go bye bye quickly. Also: I thought I had heard that studded tires were illegal some places? Brian 83 240D On 3/8/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get studs. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions Limited slip in my opinion is not terribly useful on ice anyway as the two drive wheels will just hook up and spin the car in circles. My Dad had a Chevy Tracker with a limited slip rear and in ice and snow you had to be in 4wd because of its frightening propensity to fishtail. I never did try it with a bunch of weight in the rear end, in retrospect that seems like a good idea. At any rate, my 240D even with snow tires will spin the tires on ice. Its ICE for crying out loud... -Curt Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:56:10 -0600 From: Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal response and some snickering (over the thought of a 240D spinning its tires). My response is still the same. Why would one need limited slip on a car that will not spin a tire on ice?? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] weenies
Levi Smith wrote: RWD, forget it. The second you leave dry pavement, or encounter a little bit of snow or ice they are useless. You either have one wheel spinning like mad and going nowhere, or with a locker you have two wheels spinning and heading for the ditch and you're still not going forwards... You need more weight in the back. Seriously. I have yet to drive a RWD car that didn't go from useless to making serious progress once I added a hundred pounds or so of sand to the trunk.
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My dad likes to say: If you love a car, you love it. Doesn't have to be any logic to it. Brian On 3/8/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:43 PM, LT Don wrote: Uh ... yea, guilty as charged. And I don't regret a penny of it. You should have no regrets. Somehow or another you got your moneys worth. Even if all you get out of it was an education in what not to do again. Hobbies usually cost money. You could spend it on much worse things for sure. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Not at all doubting your experience, but I can say that I had 400 lbs. of sand bags in the back of my Dakota pickup and it made little if any difference besides making for a more comfy ride. That truck was very very bad on traction. I wonder though, if the tires were just really badly designed? They were new (I had them installed) but they were cheap. Lots of tire talk on the Traction thread right now. Brian 83 240D On 3/9/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Levi Smith wrote: RWD, forget it. The second you leave dry pavement, or encounter a little bit of snow or ice they are useless. You either have one wheel spinning like mad and going nowhere, or with a locker you have two wheels spinning and heading for the ditch and you're still not going forwards... You need more weight in the back. Seriously. I have yet to drive a RWD car that didn't go from useless to making serious progress once I added a hundred pounds or so of sand to the trunk. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
A lot of talk about studded tires. I've never used them so let me ask: Do they wear out very quickly on dry pavement? Or can you use them throughout the winter - even if conditions are dry - and if so, how many seasons do they last? I would think that the studs, if used in dry conditions at all would go bye bye quickly. They chew the roads more than the roads chew back. That said, I'm in favor of them, depending on how/where you drive them. We have an icy hill up to our place. If it weren't for that last 1/2 mile, we'd have little actual need of studs. They last for several years. I noticed that many of the studs on the SDL are pushed in. They tend to burrow into the tire with age and eventually start causing a lot of flats! Also: I thought I had heard that studded tires were illegal some places? Some States, and at times of the year. WA and ID both publish the studs-allowed dates widely. -- Jim
[MBZ] buying a used Mercedes diesel (was Re: 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads)
You need to be able to reliably determine the condition of the car and then pay no more than it's worth TO YOU. Then you're in charge. If you don't have the skill and knowledge to do that, the risk is very great. Marshall, I couldn't have said it better! I got a parts car in this 220D, but I knew that this outcome was a possibility coming into the deal and a risk that I was willing to take. For $100, I thought that I could end up with a runner, and if it was busted, I could pass it on to the next person who would buy it who needed a 220D parts car. My next foray into the world of cheap and not so cheap old Mercedes moves on. The first possibility is a 1972 220 GULP GASSER GULP that I could get for a mere $250 that needs an alternator or perhaps a battery. http://portland.craigslist.org/car/139841661.html The next is a 1981 300D for $750 OBO. http://portland.craigslist.org/car/140106251.html It decided not to start one day, the words of the owner. It has a rebuilt tranny with only 2K miles on it, and the odo shows 159K miles. I know that a diesel that won't start could be caused by internal engine problems and end up like my 220D, nothing more than a parts donor, or it could be caused by something as simple as a fuel delivery problem like a clogged strainer, clogged fuel filters, valves out of adjustment or even a reversed vacuum line on the shutoff valve. Both the 220 gasser and this 300D sound like they have potential, and I'll keep everyone posted on how they REALLY are in person. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220D parting out
Re: [MBZ] speaking of wheels
I guess they aren't any good for a w210? -j.
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
Dwight said Tom, I like and agree with your philosophy-I will always drive a MB diesel for the rest of my life-I have two sitting in the driveway right now Dwight do tell about the 1990. maybe it is time for me to trade up from the 123 chassis. The vacuum door locks give me real grief on all those. I do by the way have a 1979 240D too. I call it the Flip Maker As I drive up and accelerate (0-60 forever) up the highway on ramps I get folks flipping me the bird all the time, my pedals is to the metal. People are very full of hate and discontent in this the freest country in the world. Why is that so? It is now my daily driver and I love it, 77K now and growing by 50K a year. thanks Dwight Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads Tom, I like and agree with your philosophy-I will always drive a MB diesel for the rest of my life-I have two sitting in the driveway right now. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Scordato Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads Brian said All that said, I still do admire this type of vehicle and think that it is one of the few that - since I have to drive - I want to drive. I do enjoy it and look forward to a happy life with it. As you should and will. Like I told my family who gives me grief that I do not or will not drive a rock climber: I will drive a Mercedes Diesel until I die, so get used to it. For me Brian I to bought a 185K 300D diesel which I did not have records on. But guess what I put 100K miles on it, had a lot of fun, worked on it, developed a love for a car I really enjoy driving. Luckily I bought a 1979 240D with low miles and I can start all over again! Thanks for your input and enjoy changing your starter out. I know on my 300D I had to remove the transmission dip stick tube but other that not too bad of a job. Kind of a reach around to get at the Allen bolts if I recall. Small stubby angle ratchet helps. Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: Brian Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads But would it be worth doing all the crack? Seriously though, jesting aside: One of the things that I was most surprised about when I began to investigate an older Mercedes was how affordable they were. Not having had any specific interest in them in the past, I always assumed that even an old one (as in 80s) would be way way out of the range of reasonable (like the range you gave for the showroom cond. one). And an even older one would be getting into true classic status and thus would be even further out of range. So basically one that is in the lower $2k range is one that, generally speaking, has not been maintained and the seller therefore knows it has problems? I see all the time through the list, Mercedes diesels for that sort of price (and that's about what mine cost) and the listers often tout picking them up. Guess what I have been missing all along is that it is understood that if you buy one at this price range, you will be looking - almost for certain - at several repairs. I have read things today on the list that I did not see in the six months or longer leading up to the purchase of my 240D. But in fairness, it is a Mercedes enthusiast list (with a very large do-it-yourself contingent). What should I have expected? And also in fairness, I don't think that I ever specifically asked the question, do you guys think that I ought to buy one of these autos? All that said, I still do admire this type of vehicle and think that it is one of the few that - since I have to drive - I want to drive. I do enjoy it and look forward to a happy life with it. Next order of business: replace the starter. It did it's nothing trick just now. Brian 83 240D Marshall wrote: One that's quite well maintained, may well be worth $2000-5000 and one that's in close to showroom condition with less than 75kmi on it can sell for $10+k and MAY even be worth that. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
Johnny B said You really have to know what you're doing when you buy and repair the car or you stand to have a costly bad experience True and it helps more than can be valued to have a group list like this to help you. I personally value the opinions and experience of this group more than words can say. I have often blown off advise of some professionals due to the information I have gotten form this list, thanks. Regards Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads On Mar 8, 2006, at 9:59 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: Hope this clears up what I was getting at when I said that some sellers ask much lower prices, and the only explanation that I could come up with is that there are such obvious problems with the vehicle that they know they can't realistically ask too much. Brian Realistically most people really are not aware of the actual value of their vehicles. I tend to get great deals but I have been involved with cars all my life and a professional mechanic for more than 30 years. People give me cars that get put to use or go to parts. Case in point: my new 1986 190D 2.5 Euro. I paid $1200 for an original owner car with 62,000mi that needed a paint job and some inexpensive stuff. I have $2600 into it and it is near perfect. You really have to know what you're doing when you buy and repair the car or you stand to have a costly bad experience. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] weenies
I agree completely. My wife had something like a 93' Ford Ranger. It had studded tires, and a Tractor tire (maybe 300lbs?) and a big-ass tree stump (maybe another 100 or 200lbs?), I almost think there might have been a few cement blocks or something else as well. It sucked. She was scared to death to drive that thing up the hilly slick roads to our house (if she could do it at all), and once you got into any depth of snow it always had that nice one wheel spinning and there was no way of unstucking it besides yanking it onto some pavement with something else. She was the first to get a Subaru about 7 years ago and loves it. With half-worn all seasons she's not worried, but knows it can slip. As soon as I put the Blizzaks on it she has not a care in the world. (Using some common sense of course, which is rare in the world today) The way I look at it, for *most* vehicles even if you had 400lbs of weight in the back, you *might* have it back to about 50/50 weight distribution. That's still half your weight that will never do anything but try to get you stuck. And in most vehicles as soon as you get the vehicle on a less than flat surface, or one wheel on a slippery surface, you'll only have one of those wheels that has no traction spinning... That's NOT to say they can't get around in most situations. I have just yet to find a RWD that compares to FWD (for general traction. Yes if you put two good tires on the front of a FWD and leave crap on the back you'll find out what REAL oversteer is like), and neither one of those is ANYTHING compared to AWD... Levi (: On 3/9/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not at all doubting your experience, but I can say that I had 400 lbs. of sand bags in the back of my Dakota pickup and it made little if any difference besides making for a more comfy ride. That truck was very very bad on traction. I wonder though, if the tires were just really badly designed? They were new (I had them installed) but they were cheap. Lots of tire talk on the Traction thread right now. Brian 83 240D On 3/9/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Levi Smith wrote: RWD, forget it. The second you leave dry pavement, or encounter a little bit of snow or ice they are useless. You either have one wheel spinning like mad and going nowhere, or with a locker you have two wheels spinning and heading for the ditch and you're still not going forwards... You need more weight in the back. Seriously. I have yet to drive a RWD car that didn't go from useless to making serious progress once I added a hundred pounds or so of sand to the trunk.
[MBZ] 300D 2.5t
Tom, Well, comparing he 240D and the 124 300D is like my British friends say, chalk and cheese. All of the obvious flaws of the 240D, esp. the automatic are pretty well known. I drive my 240D 300-500 miles each week. It is noisy, primitive in some ways, but solid and reliable. And I love the way it looks. And I like the simplicity of manual windows, set, etc. The 90 on the other hand is ugly-IMHO compared to the classic lines of the 123. It is undoubtedly the nicest car I ever drove-(I have never driven an SD or SDL). it's refined, fast-twice the horsepower of the 240D, feels more 'modern' quieter, smoother, turbo is great and mileage is much better than the 240D. EPA rated it 37 on the window sticker, Nitske says 33 mpg. I haven't really checked it as I have been diving it hard to 'tune up' the nailing. As was pointed out here earlier, the 124 handles better on curves. The 90 also has vacuum door locks. I think the best argument for the 124 300D is the 2.5t engine-smooth, quick, and economical. I really had planned to get a 300CD to eventually replace the 240D-but fellow lister John Peterson had bought this 300D and we did some work on it-he was ready to put it on e-bay and I decided to buy it. No regrets, but I still mostly drive the 240, at least for now. Plan to take the 300D on a road trip to NC this spring. Anyway HTH. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Scordato Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 6:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads Dwight said Tom, I like and agree with your philosophy-I will always drive a MB diesel for the rest of my life-I have two sitting in the driveway right now Dwight do tell about the 1990. maybe it is time for me to trade up from the 123 chassis. The vacuum door locks give me real grief on all those. I do by the way have a 1979 240D too. I call it the Flip Maker As I drive up and accelerate (0-60 forever) up the highway on ramps I get folks flipping me the bird all the time, my pedals is to the metal. People are very full of hate and discontent in this the freest country in the world. Why is that so? It is now my daily driver and I love it, 77K now and growing by 50K a year. thanks Dwight Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads Tom, I like and agree with your philosophy-I will always drive a MB diesel for the rest of my life-I have two sitting in the driveway right now. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Scordato Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads Brian said All that said, I still do admire this type of vehicle and think that it is one of the few that - since I have to drive - I want to drive. I do enjoy it and look forward to a happy life with it. As you should and will. Like I told my family who gives me grief that I do not or will not drive a rock climber: I will drive a Mercedes Diesel until I die, so get used to it. For me Brian I to bought a 185K 300D diesel which I did not have records on. But guess what I put 100K miles on it, had a lot of fun, worked on it, developed a love for a car I really enjoy driving. Luckily I bought a 1979 240D with low miles and I can start all over again! Thanks for your input and enjoy changing your starter out. I know on my 300D I had to remove the transmission dip stick tube but other that not too bad of a job. Kind of a reach around to get at the Allen bolts if I recall. Small stubby angle ratchet helps. Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: Brian Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads But would it be worth doing all the crack? Seriously though, jesting aside: One of the things that I was most surprised about when I began to investigate an older Mercedes was how affordable they were. Not having had any specific interest in them in the past, I always assumed that even an old one (as in 80s) would be way way out of the range of reasonable (like the range you gave for the showroom cond. one). And an even older one would be getting into true classic status and thus would be even further out of range. So basically one that is in the lower $2k range is one that, generally speaking, has not been
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Brian, Yes studs are illegal some places now and elsewhere legal only for a season-here it is 11/15-4/15. They have many advantages and some drawbacks. I used them years ago on rear wheel drive-my Chevy II. Then as I gradually switched over to FWD and AWED, I went over to all season radials. My 240D came with studded tires-I have driven them 4 winters-about 20k miles. The problem now is that the studs are worn down, but there is a lot of aggressive tread left -so I feel as if I am throwing away good tires. The main annoyance is the twice a year switchover-I wish I had another set of wheels. I don't know the cost factor of studs. One of the major advantages is stopping on ice or hard packed snow. Next winter I will use the blizzaks that someone gave me-hopefully for two seasons. Then I will probably go back to studs. Like LT. Don, I hope to be driving my 240D when the state of RI comes to take my license away for old age. Whether you have studs or not, I think with RWD in winter climes, four aggressive snow tires are worth the investment and the hassle of change overs. IMHO Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 1:38 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions A lot of talk about studded tires. I've never used them so let me ask: Do they wear out very quickly on dry pavement? Or can you use them throughout the winter - even if conditions are dry - and if so, how many seasons do they last? I would think that the studs, if used in dry conditions at all would go bye bye quickly. Also: I thought I had heard that studded tires were illegal some places? Brian 83 240D On 3/8/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get studs. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions Limited slip in my opinion is not terribly useful on ice anyway as the two drive wheels will just hook up and spin the car in circles. My Dad had a Chevy Tracker with a limited slip rear and in ice and snow you had to be in 4wd because of its frightening propensity to fishtail. I never did try it with a bunch of weight in the rear end, in retrospect that seems like a good idea. At any rate, my 240D even with snow tires will spin the tires on ice. Its ICE for crying out loud... -Curt Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:56:10 -0600 From: Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal response and some snickering (over the thought of a 240D spinning its tires). My response is still the same. Why would one need limited slip on a car that will not spin a tire on ice?? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Cladding
You wrote:[SNIP] Polish and wax it like the rest of
the car.
Thanks!
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Question - as I mentioned, I spilled some fuel - can I flush it off with
water? I'm sure it's on the bottom cover - I'd like toget it off of it.
Will that cause any problems?.
How about garden hose water?
Question #2 - the body material below the beltline - about the lower 3rd
of
the body - what material is that? It's not as shiney as the upper part and
*way* less magnetic. In's only very mildly magnetic while the upper is
*very* magnetic. Anyway - curious about the material - aluminum alloy?
something else? Should it be cared for with the same kind of stuff? (waxes,
cleaners, etc)
The cladding, being plastic, is not all that ferrous. It's painted with a
slightly dull paint with it's own color code. Polish and wax it like the
rest of
the car.
RLE
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Re: [MBZ] speaking of wheels
John writes: I guess they aren't any good for a w210? John, I'd have to defer to others on the list. These wheels are 16 x 7 1/2, with an ET41 offset. They fit the W124 series and the later 210 series. Lee
Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5t
Dwight, Have to agree with you about the 123 chasis..IN my eyes there was never a finer automobile made. Maybe slow but the class and reliability way exceeds the need for speed. Mike - Original Message - From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:38 AM Subject: [MBZ] 300D 2.5t Tom, Well, comparing he 240D and the 124 300D is like my British friends say, chalk and cheese. All of the obvious flaws of the 240D, esp. the automatic are pretty well known. I drive my 240D 300-500 miles each week. It is noisy, primitive in some ways, but solid and reliable. And I love the way it looks. And I like the simplicity of manual windows, set, etc. The 90 on the other hand is ugly-IMHO compared to the classic lines of the 123. It is undoubtedly the nicest car I ever drove-(I have never driven an SD or SDL). it's refined, fast-twice the horsepower of the 240D, feels more 'modern' quieter, smoother, turbo is great and mileage is much better than the 240D. EPA rated it 37 on the window sticker, Nitske says 33 mpg. I haven't really checked it as I have been diving it hard to 'tune up' the nailing. As was pointed out here earlier, the 124 handles better on curves. The 90 also has vacuum door locks. I think the best argument for the 124 300D is the 2.5t engine-smooth, quick, and economical. I really had planned to get a 300CD to eventually replace the 240D-but fellow lister John Peterson had bought this 300D and we did some work on it-he was ready to put it on e-bay and I decided to buy it. No regrets, but I still mostly drive the 240, at least for now. Plan to take the 300D on a road trip to NC this spring. Anyway HTH. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Scordato Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 6:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads Dwight said Tom, I like and agree with your philosophy-I will always drive a MB diesel for the rest of my life-I have two sitting in the driveway right now Dwight do tell about the 1990. maybe it is time for me to trade up from the 123 chassis. The vacuum door locks give me real grief on all those. I do by the way have a 1979 240D too. I call it the Flip Maker As I drive up and accelerate (0-60 forever) up the highway on ramps I get folks flipping me the bird all the time, my pedals is to the metal. People are very full of hate and discontent in this the freest country in the world. Why is that so? It is now my daily driver and I love it, 77K now and growing by 50K a year. thanks Dwight Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads Tom, I like and agree with your philosophy-I will always drive a MB diesel for the rest of my life-I have two sitting in the driveway right now. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Scordato Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads Brian said All that said, I still do admire this type of vehicle and think that it is one of the few that - since I have to drive - I want to drive. I do enjoy it and look forward to a happy life with it. As you should and will. Like I told my family who gives me grief that I do not or will not drive a rock climber: I will drive a Mercedes Diesel until I die, so get used to it. For me Brian I to bought a 185K 300D diesel which I did not have records on. But guess what I put 100K miles on it, had a lot of fun, worked on it, developed a love for a car I really enjoy driving. Luckily I bought a 1979 240D with low miles and I can start all over again! Thanks for your input and enjoy changing your starter out. I know on my 300D I had to remove the transmission dip stick tube but other that not too bad of a job. Kind of a reach around to get at the Allen bolts if I recall. Small stubby angle ratchet helps. Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: Brian Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads But would it be worth doing all the crack? Seriously though, jesting aside: One of the things that I was most surprised about when I began to investigate an older Mercedes was how affordable they were. Not having had any specific interest in them in the past, I always assumed that even an old one
Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels
The first quote was for aftermarket 8 hole wheels for the W124. The second quote was Genuine MB 15 hole W124 wheels. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels In the first message of this thread, you quoted $159.95 each - after-market? Is this last quote for MB original wheels at $235.75 each? On 3/8/06, Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, $235.75 each. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
Tom, I have swaped engines on a couple of occasions at the 240D level. The major issues you will run into will be the glow system and some issues with which power steering pumps, pulleys, harmonic balancers, etc fit what cars. If you have A/C that can also be an issue. What it amounts to is that there are a lot of little things that can be handled in the amateur garage by a few beers and some friends. In a professional shop it becomes a big issue because all the small stuff costs the same $$ as the big stuff per hour. I would take a serious look at rebuilding the engine you have unless it has a hole in the crankcase or has been significantly abused.. as in run out of oil. I rebuilt my last one, a 617.912, for a few hundred in parts as opposed to replacing it. I replaced all rings, one piston, all lower bearings, all seals, gaskets. I did not rebuild the head as all the valve seats were flawless. Time was probably 20 hours. One of the beauties of these engines is that they have sleeved cylinders so you dont have to be concerned with boring. Just replace em. Another great feature is that the crank journals are hardened to a level unmatched in almost any other automotive realm. My engine with ~450K measured at factory specs on the journals during rebuild, I used standard inserts! Richard --- Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few questions for the group please 1. Can a 1977 123 chassis take/accept an 617.9xx non turbo engine with out major modifications from the years 1978-1980 to last non turbo year? 2. What are the estimated hours to pull out existing 617.9xx engine, remove things such as alternators, refer compressors, ect. and then put a used motor into the car al the while attaching the ancillary stuff I just said and install the new engine. These would be the hours by a professional mechanic. 3. I assume, new tranny hoses, new lube oil hoses ect. while I am at it. 4. If you could share any experience you have. Is there a link for doing this job? I have located some used engines that have been compression tested and are in the 100K miles to 150K mile ranges, some which have been sitting for some time. I am at a cross roads on the path of deciding if the car is worth it. I do not have the scope of supply to do the job myself where I am located in life right now. Thanks in advance Tom Scordato ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Dwight said: The problem now is that the studs are worn down, but there is a lot of aggressive tread left -so I feel as if I am throwing away good tires. Just because the points are gone off the studs doesn't mean they won't do the job. When the tire flexes it will allow the edges of the stud to bite. Actually most studded tires get very poor traction on dry and/or wet roads until the studs are worn down some. I'm sure the old Chevy II(My FAVORITE Chevy) would spin the studded tires quite easily until they were broken in. I have run Blizzaks on my 62 Buick Special wagon(yeah with the 215 aluminum V8 and 3 on the tree) and they WORK GREAT!!! So good in fact that you will want them on the front as well so you can steer when they dig in. Only complaints I had were the price and the fact that they wear very fast on the highway. No need for studs at all with them though as the siping and soft compound do a very good job of gripping anything they can find. My $.02, Mike
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Johnny B. wrote: I'm sure that there are many on this list who have way more $$$ in their cars than they are worth. I see a lot of folks willing to throw parts at their problems until they get it right rather than properly diagnose problems. I have a good example in my car - 1990 300SEL. The previous owner bought it for $10,500 in Early 2003. It only had 75,000 at the time. Over the next two and half years he spent over $20,000 on the car fixing everything and making the car perfect. He intended to drive it forever. Well his circumstances changed, he started a new business and needed a large 4X4 SUV. I bought this car (which he had over $3 in) for $5400. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL
Re: [MBZ] speaking of wheels
Lee L. wrote: Speaking of wheels, I have a set of 4 E300 wheels on ebay . . . Anyone know if these will fit on my car. 1990 300SEL. According to the listing they are 16 x 7.5 41 et. I have the original 15 hole wheels which are 15 inch. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 125K
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
I'll second the Blizzaks. I've yet to run anything that compares. Though I've heard the Nokian's are up there as well. As for the studs, my uncle told me that a friend of his once had a set on and proceeded to do a burnout on one of those grated bridges. (do they even make those anymore?) Oops, no more studs... (: Levi On 3/9/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dwight said: The problem now is that the studs are worn down, but there is a lot of aggressive tread left -so I feel as if I am throwing away good tires. Just because the points are gone off the studs doesn't mean they won't do the job. When the tire flexes it will allow the edges of the stud to bite. Actually most studded tires get very poor traction on dry and/or wet roads until the studs are worn down some. I'm sure the old Chevy II(My FAVORITE Chevy) would spin the studded tires quite easily until they were broken in. I have run Blizzaks on my 62 Buick Special wagon(yeah with the 215 aluminum V8 and 3 on the tree) and they WORK GREAT!!! So good in fact that you will want them on the front as well so you can steer when they dig in. Only complaints I had were the price and the fact that they wear very fast on the highway. No need for studs at all with them though as the siping and soft compound do a very good job of gripping anything they can find. My $.02, Mike
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
I'll second the Blizzaks. I've yet to run anything that compares. The Chicken Wagon came with a set of these on it. No problems getting around, but that car gets driven very little. Though I've heard the Nokian's are up there as well. I put studded Hakka 1's on the SDL and my wife's SL. The SL's set has migrated to the Frankenheap. They are (or perhaps 'were', they're like 5+ years old now) amazing. But the most amazing winter feats have been in the truck, on all-season semi-aggressive on/offroad tires, carrying the camper. 400# in the bed? How about 3000+#! 4wd too. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
123 chassis. The vacuum door locks give me real grief on all those. I do by With some ingenuity, the electric-pump system of later cars (124/126/201) could be fitted to your 123. On the whole that system is a lot more reliable. It would be a labor of love, for a car that otherwise pleased you quite well. At the U-Pull, the stuff would run maybe $50 or so for everything. The rest would be minor fabrication and running the wiring. the way have a 1979 240D too. I call it the Flip Maker As I drive up and accelerate (0-60 forever) up the highway on ramps I get folks flipping me the bird all the time, my pedal is to the metal. Bumper sticker: It _is_ floored! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] buying a used Mercedes diesel (was Re: 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads)
was willing to take. For $100, I thought that I could end up with a runner, and if it was busted, I could pass it on to the next person who would buy it who needed a 220D parts car. Sounds like a fairly safe plan. My next foray into the world of cheap and not so cheap old Mercedes moves on. The first possibility is a 1972 220 GULP GASSER GULP that I could get for a mere $250 that needs an alternator or perhaps a battery. http://portland.craigslist.org/car/139841661.html He _paid_ $250, he _wants_ $400. The next is a 1981 300D for $750 OBO. http://portland.craigslist.org/car/140106251.html Sounds like a better bet. But I don't like the smell of gas. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Used to run the Nokians on a Subaru hatchback..That thing would go anywhere in the snow on and off the road. Mike - Original Message - From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions I'll second the Blizzaks. I've yet to run anything that compares. Though I've heard the Nokian's are up there as well. As for the studs, my uncle told me that a friend of his once had a set on and proceeded to do a burnout on one of those grated bridges. (do they even make those anymore?) Oops, no more studs... (: Levi On 3/9/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dwight said: The problem now is that the studs are worn down, but there is a lot of aggressive tread left -so I feel as if I am throwing away good tires. Just because the points are gone off the studs doesn't mean they won't do the job. When the tire flexes it will allow the edges of the stud to bite. Actually most studded tires get very poor traction on dry and/or wet roads until the studs are worn down some. I'm sure the old Chevy II(My FAVORITE Chevy) would spin the studded tires quite easily until they were broken in. I have run Blizzaks on my 62 Buick Special wagon(yeah with the 215 aluminum V8 and 3 on the tree) and they WORK GREAT!!! So good in fact that you will want them on the front as well so you can steer when they dig in. Only complaints I had were the price and the fact that they wear very fast on the highway. No need for studs at all with them though as the siping and soft compound do a very good job of gripping anything they can find. My $.02, Mike ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Thanks Mike-well I may try the studs one more winter. I have 4 free blizzaks as well. Need to find 3 more wheels so I don't have pay the changeover. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Canfield Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 8:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions Dwight said: The problem now is that the studs are worn down, but there is a lot of aggressive tread left -so I feel as if I am throwing away good tires. Just because the points are gone off the studs doesn't mean they won't do the job. When the tire flexes it will allow the edges of the stud to bite. Actually most studded tires get very poor traction on dry and/or wet roads until the studs are worn down some. I'm sure the old Chevy II(My FAVORITE Chevy) would spin the studded tires quite easily until they were broken in. I have run Blizzaks on my 62 Buick Special wagon(yeah with the 215 aluminum V8 and 3 on the tree) and they WORK GREAT!!! So good in fact that you will want them on the front as well so you can steer when they dig in. Only complaints I had were the price and the fact that they wear very fast on the highway. No need for studs at all with them though as the siping and soft compound do a very good job of gripping anything they can find. My $.02, Mike ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL
Probably one of the best Mercedes diesels build, but one year in the mix took unique injectors. This might be the year. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:34 PM To: mercedes Subject: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4619547721 One day left. Current bid $1525.00 Craig ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL
That's not a turbo is it? Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:39 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL Probably one of the best Mercedes diesels build, but one year in the mix took unique injectors. This might be the year. T
[MBZ] Yet another tire question
Since the topic of the day seems to be tires and whatnot, and since mine are basically bald, I figured it would be a good time to ask. :) I've got 185/70/R14 tires on there now, and was playing around and noticed that 205/60/R14 tires are almost the exact same diameter. Will the extra width work with the stock bundt cake rims? Or do I just need to suck it up and get 15 rims for a slightly lower profile sidewall? One other thing I saw was that the owners manual on the W116 CD provides tire sizes for a 280SE and 450SEL. The 450SEL has 6.5 wide rims (with stock size of 205/60/R14), but the 280SE has 6 wide rims (with 185/70/R14). Was wondering if anyone knows what the 300SD uses Thanks!!! John '79 300SD
Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL
I don't believe this one is, but I could be wrong - Mercedes did put a turbo 2.5 liter engine in the E class. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 8:42 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL That's not a turbo is it? Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:39 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL Probably one of the best Mercedes diesels build, but one year in the mix took unique injectors. This might be the year. T ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Apple original Airport card
Does anyone have an original Apple Airport card they are interested in selling or swapping for MB parts or whatever else? I see Airport Extreme cards all over but I can't use the Extreme card for my purposes. My house was hit by lightning in August and damaged a lot of stuff. Among the items damaged is an Apple DVSE 500MgHz iMac. The iMac lost the ability to network via ethernet and 1 of 2 FireWire ports. I also lost my hard wired router and replaced it with a Belkin wireless + 4 port router, as at the time that's the only one I could find. I never considered using it in wireless mode until now. I was either going to repair the old machine or give it to my buddy in Tn to replace an earlier tray-loading iMac that I gave him. He can only get to the internet via phone line. I would really love to keep this machine active on my home network as it is zipped up a bit and give him the DV 400 that I intended to give him. I can repair it with a replacement logic board with IO board attached as a second choice but it would be much easier to just go wireless. If anyone has any alternatives and/or the items I'm looking for, please let me know. Thanks, Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:03 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: My best deal is probably the Frankenheap. But it's not a datemobile, to say the least! My best MB deal has to be The $100 Car 1979 300SD w/ 134,000mi. It really just needed to be cleaned up and driven after some adjustments and I had to put the GP wire connector back together on the relay end. It has gone over 50,000mi since we had it and I recently treated it to a new set of Bilsteins and tires. It is getting a new starter and a pair of rebuilt front calipers soon. Oh, I almost forgot, I need to replace/repair the radiator too. I will give my newest acquisition (86 190D Euro w/65,000mi) to my wife and drive the 116. Unless of course she decides that she prefers the 300SD. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Yet another tire question
Hi John, I've used several different size tires on my 300SD. Stock is the 185 HR 14. I have tried 205/65/R14, 225/60/R14 (BFG R-1 RACE TIRES) and 205/70/R14 Yokohama Avid T4's (now on car) . For the MBCA TOR Event at Virginia International Raceway last September, I used a 15 x7 wheels (off a 126) w/205/55/R15 Kuhmos, not really a race tire but a soft street tire compound. Those are now in my garage and if anyone is interested in them, contact me offline, please. Had no problems w/any of the various sizes. The rolling circumferences were pretty much the same. IIRC within 2%. The only difference I noticed was an purely in appearance. The 60 profile does not fill the wheel opening, whereas the 70 profile does. BTW, I got both the Yokes and the Kuhmos from Tire Rack and had them mounted locally. Hope this helps. Chuck Phoenix AZ 1980 300SD 1986 190E 2.3 16 Valve... On Mar 9, 2006, at 7:47 AM, John Robbins wrote: Since the topic of the day seems to be tires and whatnot, and since mine are basically bald, I figured it would be a good time to ask. :) I've got 185/70/R14 tires on there now, and was playing around and noticed that 205/60/R14 tires are almost the exact same diameter. Will the extra width work with the stock bundt cake rims? Or do I just need to suck it up and get 15 rims for a slightly lower profile sidewall? One other thing I saw was that the owners manual on the W116 CD provides tire sizes for a 280SE and 450SEL. The 450SEL has 6.5 wide rims (with stock size of 205/60/R14), but the 280SE has 6 wide rims (with 185/70/R14). Was wondering if anyone knows what the 300SD uses Thanks!!! John '79 300SD ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL
i thought 87 was the one and only year they put a 2.5 turbo in the 190 series ... On 3/9/06, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe this one is, but I could be wrong - Mercedes did put a turbo 2.5 liter engine in the E class. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 8:42 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL That's not a turbo is it? Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:39 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL Probably one of the best Mercedes diesels build, but one year in the mix took unique injectors. This might be the year. T ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
A couple of general comments on this thread: 1) Putting on two snow tires - meaning real snows, with the snowflake on the mountain symbol (not M+S rated tires, which means NOTHING)... is half useless. You need FOUR snow tires. You do expect to steer, and/or stop, right? A set of snows usually last for many seasons. A couple hundred bucks, spread out over a few years, is way cheaper than wrecking your car, or getting stranded somewhere. 2) Anyone who thinks all season tires work great in snow or ice either does not live in real ice or snow country, or has never driven a car with four real snow tires (again, an M+S rating does not mean snow tire). (flame suit on) Dave M. (Four studded Kumhos KW-11's on the VW, studless Kumhos on the 300E) -- Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:47:14 -0500 From: Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions Dwight said: The problem now is that the studs are worn down, but there is a lot of aggressive tread left -so I feel as if I am throwing away good tires. Just because the points are gone off the studs doesn't mean they won't do the job. When the tire flexes it will allow the edges of the stud to bite. Actually most studded tires get very poor traction on dry and/or wet roads until the studs are worn down some. I'm sure the old Chevy II(My FAVORITE Chevy) would spin the studded tires quite easily until they were broken in. I have run Blizzaks on my 62 Buick Special wagon(yeah with the 215 aluminum V8 and 3 on the tree) and they WORK GREAT!!! So good in fact that you will want them on the front as well so you can steer when they dig in. Only complaints I had were the price and the fact that they wear very fast on the highway. No need for studs at all with them though as the siping and soft compound do a very good job of gripping anything they can find. My $.02, Mike
Re: [MBZ] Yet another tire question
Thanks for the excellent info Chuck! Will be writing you an email about those 15x7 in just a moment :)What made you decided to go back to the bundt wheels? John '79 300SD PS: Noticed you got a 16V 190E... I imagine you've had some fun tossing that car around ;) Chuck Landenberger wrote: Hi John, I've used several different size tires on my 300SD. Stock is the 185 HR 14. I have tried 205/65/R14, 225/60/R14 (BFG R-1 RACE TIRES) and 205/70/R14 Yokohama Avid T4's (now on car) . For the MBCA TOR Event at Virginia International Raceway last September, I used a 15 x7 wheels (off a 126) w/205/55/R15 Kuhmos, not really a race tire but a soft street tire compound. Those are now in my garage and if anyone is interested in them, contact me offline, please. Had no problems w/any of the various sizes. The rolling circumferences were pretty much the same. IIRC within 2%. The only difference I noticed was an purely in appearance. The 60 profile does not fill the wheel opening, whereas the 70 profile does. BTW, I got both the Yokes and the Kuhmos from Tire Rack and had them mounted locally. Hope this helps. Chuck Phoenix AZ 1980 300SD 1986 190E 2.3 16 Valve... On Mar 9, 2006, at 7:47 AM, John Robbins wrote: Since the topic of the day seems to be tires and whatnot, and since mine are basically bald, I figured it would be a good time to ask. :) I've got 185/70/R14 tires on there now, and was playing around and noticed that 205/60/R14 tires are almost the exact same diameter. Will the extra width work with the stock bundt cake rims? Or do I just need to suck it up and get 15 rims for a slightly lower profile sidewall? One other thing I saw was that the owners manual on the W116 CD provides tire sizes for a 280SE and 450SEL. The 450SEL has 6.5 wide rims (with stock size of 205/60/R14), but the 280SE has 6 wide rims (with 185/70/R14). Was wondering if anyone knows what the 300SD uses Thanks!!! John '79 300SD ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL
Sunil Hari wrote: i thought 87 was the one and only year they put a 2.5 turbo in the 190 series ... There were about 1400 190D 2.5 turbos and 20,000 190D 2.5 naturally aspirated cars brought to the US in '87. All of the injectors in 602 engines were inclined (unlike all of the 601/603 engine brought to the US in the '80s). In the '90s all of the OM602/603 Mercedes diesels used inclined injection. I know of no significant difference in them EXCEPT the pop pressure difference between turbo and non-turbo engines. The glow plugs used in OM602 engines were different than what was used in previous engines (that had a 25 mm heater length) and some of them are expensive to replace ($20-30 each) and hard to find (especially the one with a 27 mm heater length - the ones with 23 mm heater length are easier to obtain as they were used in many more engines than the 27s). The 190D 2.5 non-turbo is a VERY reliable engine - almost indestructible. Sufficient power (90 hp), acceleration (0-62 mph - 15.1 sec) equal to an '81-85 300SD or only about a second slower than an '82-'85 300Dt with turbo engines with better economy (low 30 mpg highway) and handles MUCH better than any 123 model car. With a rebuilt transmission, this car could easily deliver another 200+kmi of reliable operation with modest maintenance and service. The heating/AC system IS expensive to repair/service. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:10 PM, LT Don wrote: John: I am 53 years old. I expect to still be driving this same 240D when the State of Iowa makes me surrender my license in three or four decades. (I drive about 6000 miles a year.) It will be a rusty SOB by then, but I think the engine will still be cranking out that 68 horsepower and burning a few quarts of Mobil 1 Spaceship/Spacestation (by then) every so often. This, in my opinion, is a reasonable expectation. So if you put a little extra $$$ into it now, it'll work out in the long run. I f you have $2000 in a car and it lasts a year with no major problems, you got your money's worth. Anything past that and you're ahead of the game. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Im trying out the kumhos, many folks around here like them, they are cheap, last a long time, and have good traction supposedly. Loren Faeth wrote: I like sticky all weather tires. I generally look for T rated A A or AB tires that have fairly soft compounds. They may not go 100K, but i won't end up in the ditch or worse either. When i got my 200D back in 72, i bought a set of dunlops to go with it. These tires had a mini dog-biscuit tread pattern, were sticky, but wore adequately (40K range). I've not seen anything else as good in all conditions since. I could plow snow with that car on those tires. Well, the blizzacks are good in winter, but they are not a year round tire. I am currently trying out contis. When i could get German Contis, that was all I'd buy. The jury is still out on these US (general) contis. Michelins, in my experience rarely wear out, but slip belts and otherwise go to pot. They are overpriced. They are french. I don't want them. Finding good tires at a reasonable price in the US is a problem. The blizzacks and Nokis are overpriced too. Bad years are overpriced an usually slip belts, but when I bought the vw it was on expensive goodyears, and they did actually last until they wore out! I was impressed with them, but they were probably $400 back then (1987) I could buy Contis for $30 each at the time. I have NEVER had a German Conti come apart or slip a belt. I ran them on the ford van (6 Ply rated) the MB, the valiant, the escort, the Datsun and never had any trouble. I even had frenchy Kleber tires on the valiant when we sold it. (cause there were no Contis available in that size at the time) They seemed to do ok and had a grippy tread pattern and decent compound. I had expensive Toyos on the Escort, cause Lex Brodie said they were good, and you don't have a lot of choices in Honolulu. I was not happy with them. They came apart after a year or two. I have been running some Remingtons on my SDLs but they don't grip in snow and ice. I have been running blizzacks in the winter, but this winter is about the end for them as a set of 4. I think I can get one more winter out of 2 of them. As with all tires, your mileage may vary, and it depends on the car and driver. I am a Dieseler. I rarely go over 80 and don't drive the SCCA circuit. But I drive 30-60K a year. Medium grade, all season tires are suited for this application I won't buy hard high mileage tires. They will wreck your car and can kill you and other people. My mantra: Good, sticky tires are cheap insurance. $0.02 Loren Lotsa MBs now A company Dog Caravan I drive sometimes. At 10:26 PM 3/8/2006, you wrote: -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] head gasket OM 617
I doubt you have any head/gasket problems. If you did you would be going thru coolant more often than that. As far as the mileage goes, there are many other things that would cause a drop in mileage before a head gasket would. If you still want a head I have them available. Karl Wittnebel wrote: 1985 300TD has high pressure in the radiator tank even when cold. Runs low on coolant, but only about twice a year, no visible leak. Mileage has decreased from 26 - 21mpg, no detectable loss of power. Performed coolant chemical test for leak, which was negative. Is this the head gasket? If so, anyone have a rebuilt head they'd like to get rid of? Not in a big rush to fix it, but would like my 26mpg back! Thanks, Karl - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Zoltan Finks wrote: I'm not too encouraged by what happened a few minutes ago. I spun one wheel while trying to back up onto the concrete pad I park on. Not ice, not snow, just rain water. It is a slight incline. I couldn't tell you which tire was spinning. One may or may not have been on the concrete as opposed to the asphalt beside it. There is very good tread remaining on the Michelins, and they are the type with a channel down the center for rain. But, I do recognize that the tires are likely old and they sat in the AZ sun for who knows for how long. I know with certainty that had there been H2O in any other state present I would not have been able to park. Your problem isn't the design of the car. It may be your tires or it may be your driving, but it's NOT the car's design. The only time I experience anything lake what you are describing (in a 201 190D) it was the tires (they had plenty of tread). New quality tires and all traction problems went away. In snow, 75-100 lb in the trunk (which makes the front/rear weight distribution almost a perfect 50:50) improves traction even with studded tires. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: Michelins are not exactly a good measure of traction ,especially in water or worse. The things last forever, but their hard compounds are generally pretty scary on slippery surfaces. This would be even worse if they were dried out. Michelins are bad enough on cars,, on big trucks those things used to scare me to death. While I have NEVER been fond of the traction or life of the MXV3/4 tires that Mercedes supplied as OE on most of my cars, I have used 4 sets (on 3 different cars) of Michelin X-Ones and have been totally satisfied with them in good and bad (even in snow) weather and have gotten exceptional life (80+kmi) from each set. If they still made the tire, they would be the next set of all season tires on the next car that needs tires. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Loren Faeth wrote: I like sticky all weather tires. I generally look for T rated A A or AB tires that have fairly soft compounds. They may not go 100K, but i won't end up in the ditch or worse either. When i got my 200D back in 72, i bought a set of dunlops to go with it. These tires had a mini dog-biscuit tread pattern, were sticky, but wore adequately (40K range). I've not seen anything else as good in all conditions since. I could plow snow with that car on those tires. Well, the blizzacks are good in winter, but they are not a year round tire. I am currently trying out contis. When i could get German Contis, that was all I'd buy. The jury is still out on these US (general) contis. Michelins, in my experience rarely wear out, but slip belts and otherwise go to pot. They are overpriced. They are french. I don't want them. Finding good tires at a reasonable price in the US is a problem. The blizzacks and Nokis are overpriced too. Bad years are overpriced an usually slip belts, but when I bought the vw it was on expensive goodyears, and they did actually last until they wore out! I was impressed with them, but they were probably $400 back then (1987) I could buy Contis for $30 each at the time. I have NEVER had a German Conti come apart or slip a belt. I ran them on the ford van (6 Ply rated) the MB, the valiant, the escort, the Datsun and never had any trouble. I even had frenchy Kleber tires on the valiant when we sold it. (cause there were no Contis available in that size at the time) They seemed to do ok and had a grippy tread pattern and decent compound. I had expensive Toyos on the Escort, cause Lex Brodie said they were good, and you don't have a lot of choices in Honolulu. I was not happy with them. They came apart after a year or two. I have been running some Remingtons on my SDLs but they don't grip in snow and ice. I have been running blizzacks in the winter, but this winter is about the end for them as a set of 4. I think I can get one more winter out of 2 of them. As with all tires, your mileage may vary, and it depends on the car and driver. I am a Dieseler. I rarely go over 80 and don't drive the SCCA circuit. But I drive 30-60K a year. Medium grade, all season tires are suited for this application I won't buy hard high mileage tires. They will wreck your car and can kill you and other people. My mantra: Good, sticky tires are cheap insurance. $0.02 Never had a Conti (I've had 4-5 sets of them) last more than 35-40kmi and there was NOTHING about wet or dry traction that was better than adequate. They WERE fairly quiet. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] head gasket OM 617
Karl Wittnebel wrote: 1985 300TD has high pressure in the radiator tank even when cold. Runs low on coolant, but only about twice a year, no visible leak. Mileage has decreased from 26 - 21mpg, no detectable loss of power. Performed coolant chemical test for leak, which was negative. Is this the head gasket? If so, anyone have a rebuilt head they'd like to get rid of? Not in a big rush to fix it, but would like my 26mpg back! Head gasket problems on that engine are very rare. Cold cooling system pressure is common in Mercedes diesels. Much, much more likely to be a poor or erratic seal on the cooling system cap or some other leak. The fuel consumption is MUCH more likely to be a stuck thermostat (an engine that is slow to heat up can drop fuel economy by 30% in city driving) or fuel system leak. Does the hand fuel pump leak when you pump it? When were the return lines replaced? What about the flex hoses from the metal lines to the fuel tank? When were the fuel filters changed? What does the timing chain stretch measure? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
I would have disagreed with this until a couple winters ago when I had snows put on the 240D. I got just cheapies from Tire Warehouse but they were outstanding, except on water when you have to carefully modulate the brakes to not slide. With those cheapie snows the 240D would go anywhere. Of course with good all seasons it would go nearly anywhere... Lasted good too, I put like 30,000 on 'em without unacceptable wear. My 190D with good allseasons goes pretty good but I'm thinking next winter I'll get a set of snows on it... -Curt Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:30:38 -0700 From: Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A couple of general comments on this thread: 1) Putting on two snow tires - meaning real snows, with the snowflake on the mountain symbol (not M+S rated tires, which means NOTHING)... is half useless. You need FOUR snow tires. You do expect to steer, and/or stop, right? A set of snows usually last for many seasons. A couple hundred bucks, spread out over a few years, is way cheaper than wrecking your car, or getting stranded somewhere. 2) Anyone who thinks all season tires work great in snow or ice either does not live in real ice or snow country, or has never driven a car with four real snow tires (again, an M+S rating does not mean snow tire). (flame suit on) Dave M. (Four studded Kumhos KW-11's on the VW, studless Kumhos on the 300E) - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Mar 09 17:15:42 2006 Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.65]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FHOjj-0005hP-Td for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:15:40 + DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=dZvoVXVyd+Jfq7xJKU+Kv6yuqgftQWu38H0jb1tNVvzN4pxhZ8kzNj0CbdBen+ga; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [65.110.128.59] (helo=[192.168.2.74]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FHOjg-0001FZ-Tt for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:15:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:15:36 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: b3baf86f04a51c2f0f36c4a2948c83129ef193a6bfc3dd484d00ae1e26e5ff3e20071c32f8c944682601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.110.128.59 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody need front coil springs for 450SL? X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:15:44 - On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:12 AM, michael smith wrote: Also have brake pads for W116 (rear) and multiple front brake calipers for W116 Mike in San Diego Mike, I could use a pair of Bendix front calipers (as long as they're not stuck) and I could also put the rear pads to use. I found some reman calipers for $52.00 ea but would rebuild a used pair, both for peace of mind and $aving. Do you have good hoses w/calipers? E-mail me [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you want to ship to me in the 12814 zip code and to discuss price of parts and shipping. I can PayPal the $$ or whatever method you prefer. I will be starting work on my 116 in the next few days. Thanks, Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] speaking of wheels
Don, they won't fit on your W126 chassis.Your ET is approximately 25. On 3/9/06, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lee L. wrote: Speaking of wheels, I have a set of 4 E300 wheels on ebay . . . Anyone know if these will fit on my car. 1990 300SEL. According to the listing they are 16 x 7.5 41 et. I have the original 15 hole wheels which are 15 inch. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 125K ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500 SEL 140K Stardust 1985 380SL 145K Blue Belle 1996 Sidekick 57K Kermit
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: On a positive note, a brief drive tonight to the store for grocs. was quite pleasing Feelng better now? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:37 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote: A lot of talk about studded tires. I've never used them so let me ask: Do they wear out very quickly on dry pavement? No but, by law, most states require that they are removed by a predetermined date. In NY they are allowed from Oct 15-May 15. Or can you use them throughout the winter - even if conditions are dry - and if so, how many seasons do they last? Yes and longevity depends on all of the variables. I would think that the studs, if used in dry conditions at all would go bye bye quickly. Not really especially if they are carbide. Most newer/better snow tires have a cushion beneath the studs to allow them to retract a bit on contact. Centrifugal force helps them come out and get a purchase when the wheels spin. Also: I thought I had heard that studded tires were illegal some places? They are illegal in some locales, I believe Canada or at least Ontario doesn't allow them Brian Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] OT: 1988 Caprice Classic half track/ice fishing vehicle
On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:42 AM, David Brodbeck wrote: It's extremely clever and also frightening at the same time. It looks like something Red Green would come up with. I have seen set-ups like this in use. Conversion kits were available for Model A Fords and maybe even earlier vehicles, so this is not new technology. I saw a good early example in the Dixie Gun Works Auto Museum in Union City Tennessee last year. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
