Re: [MBZ] 190D, fan clutch and other 190 questions
Hi, All. Kaleb, my expierence with an 190E is that the temp switches on the top of the engine water outlet are non too reliable, and the fix is to use one from an 124. The 124 switches are set a few degrees lower and work out better, ( I know, clear as mud). As for the mileage, Mine did about 21-22 in mixed driving and about 25 @ 65-70 highway. This was an 1985 190E automatic with 187K miles that ran, and still runs, well. (tin worm). HTH. Fred Moir Now cured of gasaholicism. Lynn MA 'It's diesel this and diesel that, and chuck 'im out , the brute. RK. Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What temp is the main fan clutch supposed to engage? Mine doesnt appear to. Pulled connector off temp switch and grounded it and clutch kicked in. Does this mean my temp switch is bad? Next question, what kind of mileage might a 190E 2.3 get in constant stop and go driving? Would a gas 102 be better in this sort of driving than the diesel? - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1cent;/min. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Apr 06 23:16:00 2006 Received: from web38103.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.124.130]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRdho-0007H6-BR for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:16:00 + Received: (qmail 11262 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2006 23:15:57 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=r/0HN9LERxMAzamUHyWaZd4d/90KFR3RPdOtftzvXegOQapvuG3ykZK0VqMsQwpfRCLQ1KfzJIZ5r1E8cgFYjD9/rHy9bTjSXm2O7SFeqRQIR8DUv8WusaU6w21BMJN7mFEf0nH824EHNI9JTo93TsUpP754dLAqSHd+KqklJk4= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [67.170.104.246] by web38103.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:15:57 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:15:57 -0700 (PDT) From: hue wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Advice on Timing Chain Replacement (was: 300td timing chainissues) X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:16:00 - Ho all! I keep seeing timing chains that work on 240d 300d and 300sd... One quick question. Are all these chains universial across the cars? 136 link chains for 61x.xxx engines? Here is one on ebay for 59.00... seems to be the cheapest around... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCEDES-DIESEL-TURBO-DIESEL-TIMING-CHAIN-240D-300D-SD_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33625QQitemZ8054279146QQrdZ1 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You wrote: I have some questions for the collective group if I may, as I try and understand the diesel timing chain and how it corresponds to the engine tune. I'm exactly at 5% stretch on my timing chain in my '82 300t with a stock turbo 617. From what I have been gathering from the various input I have received that this is just a bit much and the timing chain should be replaced. So I have decided to do this. When I do this, should I: Replace the tensionier? I doubt it - the tensioner usually lasts a really long time. How many miles are on the engine?? Of course, the tensioner is not very expensive and if you want everything to be as close to On Spec as possible it won't hurt - but it can always be done later - IIRC it's 2 nuts and the tensioner comes off if you want to replace it later. Since there is enough wear to stretch the chain 5% I suspect there will be some little slack in the sprockets. So the new chain will not exactly line up at zero when I put it on. So should I suspect it to line up at like 1%? When I replaced mine I did not replace the sprockets and it aligned perfectly at 0. I plan on just crimping with a hammer, (since I have some vague experience with a ball peen) this seems fairly straight forward. Make the decision on how to proceed when you have the chain and connecting link in your hands. And consider that a failed crimp could destroy the engine. Also consider the place you'll be working and trying to hold a backing plate in place while you
Re: [MBZ] diesel fuel info
I don't want to suggest that we don't need new refineries (specifically, we need more capacity), but the argument that we haven't built a new refinery since 1978 isn't quite true. It's been my observation from within the awl bidness that while there haven't been any new sites (i.e. green field locations), every refinery is in a constant state of rebuilding. You either do that or you get left behind. But you can't build on a new location without bringing out all the NIMBYs to try to stop you. Having said that, I suspect that the real problem is twofold. First, the crazy quilt of environmental regulations requires refiners to make a whole lot of different formulations which adds significantly to cost. Second, the focus of American business on quarter to quarter profits drives long term businesses like refining to take short term improvements at the expense of strategic improvements. My $.02. OBTW...I took a new day job which will involve about a 25 mile commute, so the Shaggin Wagin will start really earning its keep. Just put a new half shaft in the rear end and it rides real sweet. Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 285K Mobil1 in everything
Re: [MBZ] Advice on Timing Chain Replacement (was: 300td timingchainissues)
Call Rusty and give him the VIN from your car. He will get you the right
parts for your car. Such as the timing chain and chain tensioner.
8007415252
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Advice on Timing Chain Replacement (was: 300td
timingchainissues)
Ho all!
I keep seeing timing chains that work on 240d 300d and
300sd... One quick question.
Are all these chains universial across the cars? 136
link chains for 61x.xxx engines?
Here is one on ebay for 59.00... seems to be the
cheapest around...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCEDES-DIESEL-TURBO-DIESEL-TIMING-CHAIN-240D-300D-SD_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33625QQitemZ8054279146QQrdZ1
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You wrote:
I have some questions for the collective group if
I
may, as I try and understand the diesel timing chain
and how it corresponds to the engine tune.
I'm exactly at 5% stretch on my timing chain in my
'82 300t with a stock turbo 617.
From what I have been gathering from the various
input
I have received that this is just a bit much and the
timing chain should be replaced. So I have decided
to
do this.
When I do this, should I:
Replace the tensionier?
I doubt it - the tensioner usually lasts a really
long time. How many miles
are on the engine?? Of course, the tensioner is not
very expensive and if
you want everything to be as close to On Spec as
possible it won't hurt -
but it can always be done later - IIRC it's 2 nuts
and the tensioner comes
off if you want to replace it later.
Since there is enough wear to stretch the chain 5%
I
suspect there will be some little slack in the
sprockets. So the new chain will not exactly line
up
at zero when I put it on. So should I suspect it to
line up at like 1%?
When I replaced mine I did not replace the sprockets
and it aligned
perfectly at 0.
I plan on just crimping with a hammer, (since I
have
some vague experience with a ball peen) this seems
fairly straight forward.
Make the decision on how to proceed when you have
the chain and connecting
link in your hands. And consider that a failed
crimp could destroy the
engine. Also consider the place you'll be working
and trying to hold a
backing plate in place while you tap-tap-tap with
your little hammer - while
making sure the connecting link stays in place as
you hold everything and
swing the hammer, gently.
I have a small dremel with a grinding disk. Would
this tool be enough to grind off the pins to loose
the
old chain?
Probably - that steel's pretty high quality and your
grinding wheels tools
must be up to the task,
Ummm Is there anything else I should think of
before
I try and swap the timing chains? I am new to this,
so any info or insight you may have, would be
greatly
appreciated.!
Give us a day to think about it --
Good luck - and try to get your mind of it for a
little while --
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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[MBZ] Pinched from sniffpetrol.com
SMART CANCELS EVERYTHING When bosses at DaimlerChrysler's up shit creek brand Smart warned that tough decisions were needed if the company was to make a profit, many industry observers were unsurprised when these decisions included killing the ailing Roadster model and last week's announcement that they will also cease production of the larger ForFour model. Now Smart management has revealed their most radical cost saving measure to date - they're not going to bother making any cars at all. To see some return on investment it was crucial that we deleted unprofitable models like the Roadster and ForFour and these measures seemed to work, said someone who was inside. So then we realised that if we got rid of the ForTwo as well this would completely solve the problem of trying to sell cars at a loss. Car making is a difficult business to return a profit on. So we aren't going to do it any more. Now we are just going to sit here keeping out of trouble and everything will be fine. Whilst some observers are puzzled as to how you can be a car company when you don't make any cars, at least one high profile industry figure was approving of the unusual plan: I can heartily recommend this approach to car not-making, said former MG Rover boss Joan Towers. We stopped building cars almost a year ago and I still seem to have lots of money.
Re: [MBZ] Advice on Timing Chain Replacement (was: 300td timing chainissues)
I would not speculate on the quality of the timing chain. Order one from
Rusty using the link at the bottom of each email, or if that makes you
nervous, buy one from a reputable dealer, such as Caliber Motors. Order the
tensioner too!
My $.02
At 06:15 PM 4/6/2006, you wrote:
Ho all!
I keep seeing timing chains that work on 240d 300d and
300sd... One quick question.
Are all these chains universial across the cars? 136
link chains for 61x.xxx engines?
Here is one on ebay for 59.00... seems to be the
cheapest around...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCEDES-DIESEL-TURBO-DIESEL-TIMING-CHAIN-240D-300D-SD_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33625QQitemZ8054279146QQrdZ1
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You wrote:
I have some questions for the collective group if
I
may, as I try and understand the diesel timing chain
and how it corresponds to the engine tune.
I'm exactly at 5% stretch on my timing chain in my
'82 300t with a stock turbo 617.
From what I have been gathering from the various
input
I have received that this is just a bit much and the
timing chain should be replaced. So I have decided
to
do this.
When I do this, should I:
Replace the tensionier?
I doubt it - the tensioner usually lasts a really
long time. How many miles
are on the engine?? Of course, the tensioner is not
very expensive and if
you want everything to be as close to On Spec as
possible it won't hurt -
but it can always be done later - IIRC it's 2 nuts
and the tensioner comes
off if you want to replace it later.
Since there is enough wear to stretch the chain 5%
I
suspect there will be some little slack in the
sprockets. So the new chain will not exactly line
up
at zero when I put it on. So should I suspect it to
line up at like 1%?
When I replaced mine I did not replace the sprockets
and it aligned
perfectly at 0.
I plan on just crimping with a hammer, (since I
have
some vague experience with a ball peen) this seems
fairly straight forward.
Make the decision on how to proceed when you have
the chain and connecting
link in your hands. And consider that a failed
crimp could destroy the
engine. Also consider the place you'll be working
and trying to hold a
backing plate in place while you tap-tap-tap with
your little hammer - while
making sure the connecting link stays in place as
you hold everything and
swing the hammer, gently.
I have a small dremel with a grinding disk. Would
this tool be enough to grind off the pins to loose
the
old chain?
Probably - that steel's pretty high quality and your
grinding wheels tools
must be up to the task,
Ummm Is there anything else I should think of
before
I try and swap the timing chains? I am new to this,
so any info or insight you may have, would be
greatly
appreciated.!
Give us a day to think about it --
Good luck - and try to get your mind of it for a
little while --
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Re: [MBZ] diesel fuel info from chevron
Two more 50-100 million gallon per year refineries were announced today, in
the same small town. There are refineries popping up at the rate of
several a month. It is just that they are making ethanol or biod.
We do need some new oil refineries.
At 04:58 PM 4/6/2006, you wrote:
You;re right - it's been close to 30 years since a new refinery came on
line - 1978 IIRC
I'd like to see some new refineries with modern technology built (and some
nuclear power stations) but I fear we'll let the foreigners provide our oil
for the foreseeable future. I read a few years ago about the cost to build
something as innocuous as a warehouse built on land in Ca. already owned by
a company needed for expansion (and more jobs) - after spending over $1
million in fees and studies over a 10 year period, the company gave up.
Then they moved the whole operation to Idaho who welcomed them with open
arms.
A refinery doesn't have a chance --
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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- Original Message -
From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] diesel fuel info from chevron
David Brodbeck wrote:
Christopher McCann wrote:
ULSD has almost NO sulfur but better lubricity than than ANY
#1 diesel and than MOST #2.
Becuase a lubricity agent is added, I assume...
I don't believe any lubricity additive is necessary (even for use with
fuel lubricated distributor type pumps) IF they put back all they took
out when removing the sulfur (or they could modify the blend), but that
can't easily be done economically in many of the OLD facilities that
exist in the US. I don't think there has been a NEW refinery built in
the US in 25-30 years. The Europeans have been doing it for years. Their
facilities are far more modern than ours I'm told.
Marshall
--
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Re: [MBZ] 190D, fan clutch and other 190 questions
On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: What temp is the main fan clutch supposed to engage? Mine doesnt appear to. Pulled connector off temp switch and grounded it and clutch kicked in. Does this mean my temp switch is bad? I will say 105, without checking a manual. Throw it in a pot of water with a thermometer as if it were a thermostat hook your trusty multimeter to it and see where it shows 0 resistance while it heats up. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] 190D, fan clutch and other 190 questions
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: What temp is the main fan clutch supposed to engage? Mine doesnt appear to. Pulled connector off temp switch and grounded it and clutch kicked in. Does this mean my temp switch is bad? Next question, what kind of mileage might a 190E 2.3 get in constant stop and go driving? Would a gas 102 be better in this sort of driving than the diesel? The main fan usually cuts on at about 100 deg. C. The aux fan cuts on at 100 deg. C in '85 and 105 in later models. The main fan temp switch will fail if you wash the engine compartment vigorously! BTDT more than once. A gas 201 won't do better than 25-27 mpg stop and go. The diesel is better. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] 190D, fan clutch and other 190 questions
I did have the experience of having bad soldering at the actual connectors of the fan clutch on a 86 190E. A 2.3 with KE should get about 10-12L/100kmhs (buggered if I know what that is in your antique language) which would be comparable to a 2.5 diesel I suppose. Dr. Diesel would probably know more. Hendrik who might have to deactivate a cylinder in the 230E to save fuel - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:09 AM Subject: [MBZ] 190D, fan clutch and other 190 questions What temp is the main fan clutch supposed to engage? Mine doesnt appear to. Pulled connector off temp switch and grounded it and clutch kicked in. Does this mean my temp switch is bad? Next question, what kind of mileage might a 190E 2.3 get in constant stop and go driving? Would a gas 102 be better in this sort of driving than the diesel? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net` ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 3/04/2006
Re: [MBZ] The Single Most Useful Tool
Bruce I have to agree, I ordered one after reading your postl and its great. My wife has taken the first one so there is another on order. She grooms dogs and wanted to try it on a black poodle and wham, it was commandeered. The second one is about $10 cheaper than the one from REI but look at the name of the site and you can understand why. :) http://www.moosejaw.com/moosejaw/default.asp?s_id=0 Keleb must have a deal going. Harry Watkins Newton, MS 86 SDL Silver 85 300D Euro 86 SDL Gold 81 240D manual trans - Original Message - From: B Dike [EMAIL PROTECTED] in my toolbox is the Petzl Zipka Plus LED headlamp. It has a retractable microcord headband so it can be put on or taken off the head instantly while working and used either as headlamp or hand light. No clumsy floppy headstraps. Very small, carries in the pocket. Extremely bright, smart power management logic. Was birthday gift from wife (how do they know these things??) Order it from REI: http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000catalogId=4008000productId=47667894parent_category_rn=4500596 Bruce 82 300CD 334kmi 'His' 85 300CD 240kmi 'Hers' 75 240D 202kmi 'Donner' 77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen' 73 220D 'It'
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes high tech OT
I suppose if the person yelled out stupid a...hole he/she would have got Bush and Co. Just another joke, no flames ta Hendrik who thinks all politicians should be shot at birth - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:41 AM Subject: [MBZ] Mercedes high tech OT Subject: A New Car This was sent to me today. I just got my new Mercedes 500 SL, and I returned to the dealer the next day with the complaint that I couldn't figure out how the radio worked. The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated. Watch this! he said. Nelson! The radio replied, Ricky or Willie? Willie, he continued and then On The Road Again came from the speakers. I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I'd say, Beethoven! I'd get beautiful classical music, and if I said, Beatles! I'd get one of their awesome songs. One day a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new car, but I swerved just in time to avoid them. A--holes! I yelled. The French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Michael Moore, backed up by John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on Drums and Bill Clinton on sax I love this car!!! Just a joke, no flames please. Jim in Phoenix ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 3/04/2006
Re: [MBZ] Advice on Timing Chain Replacement (was: 300td timing chainissues)
To expand on Lorens comment about buying the TC and TC Tensioner from Rusty
of someone like Caliber - be aware there are Counterfeit parts veing sold
as original equipment quality. Some cars have been damaged by sub-quality
parts so be wary of buying parts from unknown sources. People on eBay
appear and disappear with regularity and should a problem surface in the
future you may find you have no one to get help from.
I'm not saying the TC you're quoting with the lowest price has a
questionable background - but sometimes the lowest price is not the least
expensive.
Good luck -
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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- Original Message -
From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Advice on Timing Chain Replacement (was: 300td timing
chainissues)
I would not speculate on the quality of the timing chain. Order one from
Rusty using the link at the bottom of each email, or if that makes you
nervous, buy one from a reputable dealer, such as Caliber Motors. Order
the
tensioner too!
My $.02
At 06:15 PM 4/6/2006, you wrote:
Ho all!
I keep seeing timing chains that work on 240d 300d and
300sd... One quick question.
Are all these chains universial across the cars? 136
link chains for 61x.xxx engines?
Here is one on ebay for 59.00... seems to be the
cheapest around...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCEDES-DIESEL-TURBO-DIESEL-TIMING-CHAIN-240D-300D-SD_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33625QQitemZ8054279146QQrdZ1
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You wrote:
I have some questions for the collective group if
I
may, as I try and understand the diesel timing chain
and how it corresponds to the engine tune.
I'm exactly at 5% stretch on my timing chain in my
'82 300t with a stock turbo 617.
From what I have been gathering from the various
input
I have received that this is just a bit much and the
timing chain should be replaced. So I have decided
to
do this.
When I do this, should I:
Replace the tensionier?
I doubt it - the tensioner usually lasts a really
long time. How many miles
are on the engine?? Of course, the tensioner is not
very expensive and if
you want everything to be as close to On Spec as
possible it won't hurt -
but it can always be done later - IIRC it's 2 nuts
and the tensioner comes
off if you want to replace it later.
Since there is enough wear to stretch the chain 5%
I
suspect there will be some little slack in the
sprockets. So the new chain will not exactly line
up
at zero when I put it on. So should I suspect it to
line up at like 1%?
When I replaced mine I did not replace the sprockets
and it aligned
perfectly at 0.
I plan on just crimping with a hammer, (since I
have
some vague experience with a ball peen) this seems
fairly straight forward.
Make the decision on how to proceed when you have
the chain and connecting
link in your hands. And consider that a failed
crimp could destroy the
engine. Also consider the place you'll be working
and trying to hold a
backing plate in place while you tap-tap-tap with
your little hammer - while
making sure the connecting link stays in place as
you hold everything and
swing the hammer, gently.
I have a small dremel with a grinding disk. Would
this tool be enough to grind off the pins to loose
the
old chain?
Probably - that steel's pretty high quality and your
grinding wheels tools
must be up to the task,
Ummm Is there anything else I should think of
before
I try and swap the timing chains? I am new to this,
so any info or insight you may have, would be
greatly
appreciated.!
Give us a day to think about it --
Good luck - and try to get your mind of it for a
little while --
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Re: [MBZ] diesel fuel info from chevron
I've seen comercials on TV pushing ethenol - suggesting if everyone used it
there would not be a fuel shortage,
Is that accurate? Isn't 15% the max % of ethenol that can be used on autos
realistically?
Didn't I read on this list someone say Ethenol is a negative return? i.e.,
it takes more than a gallon of gasoline to produce a gallon of ethenol?
Sincerely,
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- Original Message -
From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] diesel fuel info from chevron
Two more 50-100 million gallon per year refineries were announced today,
in
the same small town. There are refineries popping up at the rate of
several a month. It is just that they are making ethanol or biod.
We do need some new oil refineries.
At 04:58 PM 4/6/2006, you wrote:
You;re right - it's been close to 30 years since a new refinery came on
line - 1978 IIRC
I'd like to see some new refineries with modern technology built (and some
nuclear power stations) but I fear we'll let the foreigners provide our
oil
for the foreseeable future. I read a few years ago about the cost to
build
something as innocuous as a warehouse built on land in Ca. already owned
by
a company needed for expansion (and more jobs) - after spending over $1
million in fees and studies over a 10 year period, the company gave up.
Then they moved the whole operation to Idaho who welcomed them with open
arms.
A refinery doesn't have a chance --
Sincerely,
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- Original Message -
From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] diesel fuel info from chevron
David Brodbeck wrote:
Christopher McCann wrote:
ULSD has almost NO sulfur but better lubricity than than ANY
#1 diesel and than MOST #2.
Becuase a lubricity agent is added, I assume...
I don't believe any lubricity additive is necessary (even for use with
fuel lubricated distributor type pumps) IF they put back all they took
out when removing the sulfur (or they could modify the blend), but that
can't easily be done economically in many of the OLD facilities that
exist in the US. I don't think there has been a NEW refinery built in
the US in 25-30 years. The Europeans have been doing it for years.
Their
facilities are far more modern than ours I'm told.
Marshall
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[MBZ] DieselPurge
Did my Spring DieselPurge treatment this evening on the 240D. Even though I've done this task several times before, I am always amazed at how quickly things quiet down while the Purge is running thru the injectors. Mine must not have been too bad from winter driving, because it took only 5 minutes to go from clatta-clatta-clank to the sound of a sewing machine! If any of you folks have NOT done this to your diesel, please call Rusty and order a can or two. It is amazing stuff. D. -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] Advice on Timing Chain Replacement (was: 300tdtimingchainissues)
Here is one on ebay for 59.00... seems to be the cheapest around... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCEDES-DIESEL-TURBO-DIESEL-TIMING-CHAIN-240D-300D-SD_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33625QQitemZ8054279146QQrdZ1 Isn't that Big Baboon? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT
Re: [MBZ] Advice on Timing Chain Replacement (was: 300tdtimingchainissues)
yes Rick Knoble wrote: Here is one on ebay for 59.00... seems to be the cheapest around... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCEDES-DIESEL-TURBO-DIESEL-TIMING-CHAIN-240D-300D-SD_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33625QQitemZ8054279146QQrdZ1 Isn't that Big Baboon? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] tonights project
You are trying to trick me. Luther Gulseth wrote: Also, I found that sitting on the firewall it is MUCH easier to get your hand down to replace the glow plugs. Don't ask WHY I was sitting there. Also saves your back from strain. For Kaleb. In my spotter training I was taught that 3 miles from a tornado (to the southwest) is the best distance. I have been this close also, and personally know others who've been closer. On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:30:46 -0500, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had some hard starting problems on my SD here lately, then this last weekend the glow plug quit turning on. Pulled out the 30-0-30 ammeter and verified 2,3,5 were all shorted out. 1 and 4 both acted like they should, 30A draw slowly falling to 10-15A. I fashioned a 3 stage glow plug reamer out of the 3 bad plugs, flattened each one out to different widths. Reamed all 5 holes out (#5 was a bear..). The whole time we are watching the T-Storm to the west brewing and building. We can see a strong updraft and upper level rotation indicating a probable tornado and large hail. Got the plugs back in, and the injection lines back on and primed. Started the car and it ran beautifully like it should. Picked the tools up and washed up. The sirens started sounding while I was washing upwonderful, just enough time to finish the project and watch the radar and storm. We're under a tornado warning right now, I LOVE SPRING! -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] tonights project
who would that be? Luther Gulseth wrote: Not really. One of the best meterologists in Tulsa was nearly caught underneath a forming tornado up in Kansas 2 years ago in May. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] tonights project
Luther Gulseth wrote: Not really. One of the best meterologists in Tulsa was nearly caught underneath a forming tornado up in Kansas 2 years ago in May. My cousin's wife was caught under one in the 1970's. She was curled up in the basement with her eyes shut when the house left. It was modular, and whatever method they used to attach it to the foundation wasn't tornado-tough. The whole house got converted into kindling. Pieces everywhere.
[MBZ] this weeks ebay ad winner
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Re: [MBZ] tonights project
Steve Piltz. I also know Ed Calianese and Jamie Frederick. On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:06:25 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: who would that be? Luther Gulseth wrote: Not really. One of the best meterologists in Tulsa was nearly caught underneath a forming tornado up in Kansas 2 years ago in May. -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] tonights project
That's cause they work for NOAA in the main weather office in Tulsa. They're the brains behind EVERYTHING you see that has to do with weather. On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:31:11 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never heard of any of them. Luther Gulseth wrote: Steve Piltz. I also know Ed Calianese and Jamie Frederick. On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:06:25 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: who would that be? Luther Gulseth wrote: Not really. One of the best meterologists in Tulsa was nearly caught underneath a forming tornado up in Kansas 2 years ago in May. -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] tonights project
I only know the people that show up on TV. My aunt is one of the news anchors for channel 6 Luther Gulseth wrote: That's cause they work for NOAA in the main weather office in Tulsa. They're the brains behind EVERYTHING you see that has to do with weather. On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:31:11 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never heard of any of them. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] this weeks ebay ad winner
Hey! Its green! Kaleb, you need this one! At 09:19 PM 4/6/2006, you wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/11511012046181_W0QQitemZ4627421224QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] tonights project
weekend the glow plug quit turning on. Pulled out the 30-0-30 ammeter and verified 2,3,5 were all shorted out. 1 and 4 both acted like they should, A nit: if they were _shorted_ they would have blown the fuse (unless in a series chain), they were probably open. Totally opposite failures. -- Jim
[MBZ] Seat broke
Sat in the driver's seat of the SDL for the first time in awhile today, and immediately asked my wife How long has the seat been broken? It lists to the left now, feels like a broken spring. What do you mean? is all I got. Didn't you notice it go 'poink' when you sat in it and it dumped you to the left? Huh? Gonna have to dive into that before it pokes a hole in the seat pad. I sure wish she wouldn't flop down into the seat the way she does. Like a... no, I think I'd better not go there! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] tonights project
Ughyou are correct sir, hense the 0A reading when I checked themsheesh. On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:51:40 -0500, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: weekend the glow plug quit turning on. Pulled out the 30-0-30 ammeter and verified 2,3,5 were all shorted out. 1 and 4 both acted like they should, A nit: if they were _shorted_ they would have blown the fuse (unless in a series chain), they were probably open. Totally opposite failures. -- Jim -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] Advice on Timing Chain Replacement (was: 300td timingchainissues)
The timing chain for all the 61x engines is similar, but NOT for the 60x engines, they are longer I think. You must have the correct one, needless to say. If you do change it, you MUST keep both ends on the cam sprocket at all times, dropping one end can cause serious timing issues. Wire ties work (get a big bundle) or the special tool that hold the chain on both sides (I borrow one). Peter
Re: [MBZ] tonights project
Im pretty well known myself, I always have people come up to me talking and I have no clue who they are, not sure if thats good or bad though. Luther Gulseth wrote: Sheesh, are all your relatives 10 times more well known than you are? On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:40:51 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only know the people that show up on TV. My aunt is one of the news anchors for channel 6 Luther Gulseth wrote: That's cause they work for NOAA in the main weather office in Tulsa. They're the brains behind EVERYTHING you see that has to do with weather. On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:31:11 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never heard of any of them.
Re: [MBZ] VPC (was: We can all just throw our Macs away)
How have you configured the ram available to win98? For some reason I find it needs at least 128 to be happy, but if you can load the whole mess into ram, that would be good. Give it 512 for more bang. Also check virtual CPU usage. If there is a virus, you will find it up around 95%. Wipe and start over is the standard winblow trouble shoot On Wednesday, April 5, 2006, at 10:27 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On 4/5/06, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Used to run VPC on a 9500/200 and it was about as fast as having a P5/133. Had it hopped up with ram. No OS X version, so no idea if it runs well on the iMac and what speed. The 6400/G3 400 made it seem about as fast as a 266 PII under OS 8.6 and 384 ram Humph. I wonder what's wrong with my setup. I have VPC 5 running on a 1 Ghz G4 with 1.5 Gb of RAM and OS X 10.3, and Win98 is unusably slow. Like you click a menu title and count the seconds until it drops down. Seriously, it's slower than a 386DX25 I used to have to run Windows 3.1 on. Virus or bad Win98 install or something? Should I wipe the virtual partition and start over? I have been using Macs forever and consider myself pretty good with them, but Windows hates me and this has me stumped. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper '99 Sawtooth G4, PowerLogix accelerator, Radeon 8500 '98 Lombard G3 PowerBook Assorted junky sacrificial PCs for specific purposes, like running OBDII diagnostic software ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] We can all just throw our Macs away
It has more to do with hours wasted trying to keep the POS running. If you have done installs of windows, you can see why a mac user will be very perplexed by a person willing to subject themselves to that torture. Sort of the head scratch I have with Mistress Jill. WTF gets into a boy to want to be hung up with tuna hooks on 100# test line? An OS install for mac takes a few moments and runs. A winblows install can take all weekend to get it nailed down right. On Wednesday, April 5, 2006, at 11:22 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: When I heard the news on the radio today, I knew lots of people would get all worked up. Mac vs. PC reminds me of the Mopar vs. Chevy war that raged in my circles growing up. As a graphic artist, I have used lots of Macs, but some years ago it seems PCs became capable enough to do everything I need to do. So I don't feel much loyalty either way. To me, a computer is a tool - I have never understood the passion. Well, actually, I may begin to understand when I think of the war in terms of cars. I would throw down in defense of Mopars as a kid. I hated Chevys. And Fords did not often even enter the conversation. Guess everyone needs something to root for. Look at avid sports fans, heck, even young gang members. We need something that allows us to say, Hey, this is mine, this is who I am, you got a problem with that? Brian Feeling philosophical tonight On 4/6/06, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Used to run VPC on a 9500/200 and it was about as fast as having a P5/133. Had it hopped up with ram. No OS X version, so no idea if it runs well on the iMac and what speed. The 6400/G3 400 made it seem about as fast as a 266 PII under OS 8.6 and 384 ram On Wednesday, April 5, 2006, at 08:21 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: He needs to run winders for FEMA, but prefers to work efficiently the rest of the time. I have been drooling over the macbooks for some time now. And why not run VPC (or equivalent) instead? No dual-booting involved, and the PC junk is never in control enough to be able to hammer the system, only itself. Plenty fast enough for a whole lot of uses. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] We can all just throw our Macs away
An OS install for mac takes a few moments and runs. A winblows install can take all weekend to get it nailed down right. With VPC it's just dupe the master already-installed template file and you're done. Moments, indeed. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
It is the crust in the back of the wheel that I am trying to make go away. What little there is on the front is pretty simple to remove On Thursday, April 6, 2006, at 11:18 AM, David Brodbeck wrote: archer wrote: A pressure washer held just close enough to remove the dirt/brake dust and not the finish did a good job on a set of bundt wheels after spraying them with some kind of cleaner (409?) I forget which one. In that vein, I've had reasonably good results at removing light accumulations by spraying the wheels with cheap parts store wheel cleaner just before driving through a self-serve automatic car wash. David Brodbeck '83 300D Turbo ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] diesel fuel info from chevron
What of all the shuttered refineries. They are just dormant superfund sites. I am sure that somebody will get the bright idea to fire them back up. Oh, wait, that would mean cutting into the profits, and might flood the market with fuel, thereby lowering profits per barrel On Thursday, April 6, 2006, at 04:49 PM, Loren Faeth wrote: Two more 50-100 million gallon per year refineries were announced today, in the same small town. There are refineries popping up at the rate of several a month. It is just that they are making ethanol or biod. We do need some new oil refineries. At 04:58 PM 4/6/2006, you wrote: You;re right - it's been close to 30 years since a new refinery came on line - 1978 IIRC I'd like to see some new refineries with modern technology built (and some nuclear power stations) but I fear we'll let the foreigners provide our oil for the foreseeable future. I read a few years ago about the cost to build something as innocuous as a warehouse built on land in Ca. already owned by a company needed for expansion (and more jobs) - after spending over $1 million in fees and studies over a 10 year period, the company gave up. Then they moved the whole operation to Idaho who welcomed them with open arms. A refinery doesn't have a chance -- David Brodbeck wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: ULSD has almost NO sulfur but better lubricity than than ANY #1 diesel and than MOST #2. Becuase a lubricity agent is added, I assume... I don't believe any lubricity additive is necessary (even for use with fuel lubricated distributor type pumps) IF they put back all they took out when removing the sulfur (or they could modify the blend), but that can't easily be done economically in many of the OLD facilities that exist in the US. I don't think there has been a NEW refinery built in the US in 25-30 years. The Europeans have been doing it for years. Their facilities are far more modern than ours I'm told. Marshall -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] this weeks ebay ad winner
jeeez 14 bids, no feedback, and it is over $1k On Thursday, April 6, 2006, at 07:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ 11511012046181_W0QQitemZ4627421224QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] diesel fuel info from chevron
But these plants are using synfuel coal. That allows for multiple tax breaks, such that the gummint covers 90% of the cost to produce On Thursday, April 6, 2006, at 07:34 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't I read on this list someone say Ethenol is a negative return? i.e., it takes more than a gallon of gasoline to produce a gallon of ethenol? I don't know if it's actually a negative return, but it's not really a green fuel because of how it's produced. Many of the new ethanol plants being built are fired by coal: Late last year in Goldfield, Iowa, a refinery began pumping out a stream of ethanol, which supporters call the clean, renewable fuel of the future. There's just one twist: The plant is burning 300 tons of coal a day to turn corn into ethanol - the first US plant of its kind to use coal instead of cleaner natural gas. An hour south of Goldfield, another coal-fired ethanol plant is under construction in Nevada, Iowa. At least three other such refineries are being built in Montana, North Dakota, and Minnesota. (http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0323/p01s01-sten.html) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] tonights project
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 09:40:51PM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I only know the people that show up on TV. My aunt is one of the news anchors for channel 6 Channel 6, the only channel that the FCC will not allow to go digital. K
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
Sounds impressive. Especially if it was on dry pavement. You must emulate the slide-around-the-corner techniques displayed on the cop shows - a la Rockford Files or A-Team. You know what's impressive, are the J-turns executed in the Presidential limousines. They get the front end bouncing off the ground during execution of that move. Brian 83 240D On 4/6/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only lost a hubcap off my 240D once and that was when a tire monkey lost a clip. Several times I had my 240D sliding sideways thinking Hmm, what do I do now? To say I drove that car hard would be somewhat of an understatement, I beat the everloving snot out of it. That said I always had cheap tires on it too... My 190D handles like its on rails by comparison although I think maybe the 240D rides a little nicer. -Curt Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:29:42 -0500 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Me too! Surprised to hear myself say that as I've always loved aluminum wheels - unsprung weight and all that. I just like the character the steels and caps give (or as wife calls it cute). Here's a question I've had: Has anyone seen or heard of the wheelcovers popping off a Mercedes under hard cornering? I know that this happens on a lot of cars, and it's why police cars would always have hubcaps (just covering the middle of the wheel), rather than wheel covers which cover the whole diameter, attaching to the outer lip of wheel (and thus are succeptible to popping off under wheel flex). I know on that old TV commercial that was posted to the list some time ago, that orange 300D was cornering at the limits of its capability, and the wheel covers stayed on. Unless I'm forgetting and it had bundts. Or unless they sneakily adhered them to the wheels in preparation for the handling demonstration. Brian 83 240D - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Seat broke
You've got a flopper too? I fight back the urge to tell the wife to be less gibbon-like with most of the controls in the car (especially to avoid cranking around the temperature dials every time she feels hot or cold - I'd rather she utilize the fresh air lever, or shut down or open up her vents rather than twirling those dials that I think are going to croak anytime). I have yet to bring up her collapsing into the seat like she's scuba diving off a boat. I'm just making progress on the door slamming. Brian 83 240D whose wife doesn't read list, obviously On 4/6/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sat in the driver's seat of the SDL for the first time in awhile today, and immediately asked my wife How long has the seat been broken? It lists to the left now, feels like a broken spring. What do you mean? is all I got. Didn't you notice it go 'poink' when you sat in it and it dumped you to the left? Huh? Gonna have to dive into that before it pokes a hole in the seat pad. I sure wish she wouldn't flop down into the seat the way she does. Like a... no, I think I'd better not go there! -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] tonights project
how big in diamater is the reamer itself? I'm curious about how flat/wide I can make a glow plug and not damage the prechamber. ~ I HAD a glow plug bore reamer that I would have loaned you but I loaned it ~to snip ~b1 -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] diesel fuel info from chevron
You can use 100% ethanol if you put larger main jets in your carburator. Don't
know how you would accomodate with a fuel injection system.
As for the more than a gallon of gas to produce a gallon of ethanol
statement, the same has been said about biodiesel, but only AFAIK by one
researcher who seems fixated on discrediting alternative fuels. I haven't
seen any other studies to back his contention up.
The other issue with ethanol is how you produce it. Fermenting corn is only
one way of producing ethanol. It is also possible to begin with cellulose,
digest it by chemical or even fungal or bacterial means, and then ferment it
into ethanol. So you could produce ethanol from grass, or from the corn
stalks rather than the ears, or from sawdust, etc.
Lee
On Thursday 06 April 2006 6:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've seen comercials on TV pushing ethenol - suggesting if everyone used it
there would not be a fuel shortage,
Is that accurate? Isn't 15% the max % of ethenol that can be used on autos
realistically?
Didn't I read on this list someone say Ethenol is a negative return? i.e.,
it takes more than a gallon of gasoline to produce a gallon of ethenol?
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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- Original Message -
From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] diesel fuel info from chevron
Two more 50-100 million gallon per year refineries were announced today,
in
the same small town. There are refineries popping up at the rate of
several a month. It is just that they are making ethanol or biod.
We do need some new oil refineries.
At 04:58 PM 4/6/2006, you wrote:
You;re right - it's been close to 30 years since a new refinery came on
line - 1978 IIRC
I'd like to see some new refineries with modern technology built (and
some nuclear power stations) but I fear we'll let the foreigners provide
our oil
for the foreseeable future. I read a few years ago about the cost to
build
something as innocuous as a warehouse built on land in Ca. already owned
by
a company needed for expansion (and more jobs) - after spending over $1
million in fees and studies over a 10 year period, the company gave up.
Then they moved the whole operation to Idaho who welcomed them with open
arms.
A refinery doesn't have a chance --
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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- Original Message -
From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] diesel fuel info from chevron
David Brodbeck wrote:
Christopher McCann wrote:
ULSD has almost NO sulfur but better lubricity than than ANY
#1 diesel and than MOST #2.
Becuase a lubricity agent is added, I assume...
I don't believe any lubricity additive is necessary (even for use with
fuel lubricated distributor type pumps) IF they put back all they took
out when removing the sulfur (or they could modify the blend), but
that can't easily be done economically in many of the OLD facilities
that exist in the US. I don't think there has been a NEW refinery
built in the US in 25-30 years. The Europeans have been doing it for
years. Their
facilities are far more modern than ours I'm told.
Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] DieselPurge
Indeed. And I do believe that you are to manually manipulate your throttle linkage from medium to fast and a little slow while Purging...it is not to be done idling the whole time, correct? Shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to burn through that bottle, no? Chris LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did my Spring DieselPurge treatment this evening on the 240D. Even though I've done this task several times before, I am always amazed at how quickly things quiet down while the Purge is running thru the injectors. Mine must not have been too bad from winter driving, because it took only 5 minutes to go from clatta-clatta-clank to the sound of a sewing machine! If any of you folks have NOT done this to your diesel, please call Rusty and order a can or two. It is amazing stuff. D. -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 07 13:28:59 2006 Received: from web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.200.68]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRr1G-0001LU-Kp for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:28:59 + Received: (qmail 89443 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2006 13:28:53 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=00MT0k7B5OfZH2U8aP8F21I421R5T1SL+O6ROnh/KbBaMbRbm5984y8KVrKzv1O8nP8Lv5mBkT/XqwRpW1USqh1Ect3bYl8mWu2ylZfV6dWz9kqRCOT2omiMv3v42m/Nc2uCq3X+aGoZ2xohktvcTZa3L+j53NiBXDPcFxMR6S0= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [67.52.19.222] by web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:28:53 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 06:28:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: [MBZ] Fwd: [Biodiesel] methanol, viton hoses and IP X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:28:59 - I never got a really good anser to all these questions on the BIoD list, so I'm posint here. Thanks, CM Particularly interested in if there are any rubber components inside an IP and if so, what they do...do they come in contact with fuel? CM Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:28:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biodiesel] methanol, viton hoses and IP What is it about BioD that eats through old fuel hoses? Is it trace amounts of methanol left behind? If yes, then will the methanol also eat rubber components in the IP...or are there rubber components in the IP (injection pump)...I suspect o-rings, but I really don't know. If it's not trace methanol, just the BioD itself, will THAT potentially harm a twenty year old IP and any rubber components that may or may not be there? Thanks! Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
The street in to work is somewhat of a racetrack. I was behind a guy with a Subaru STI one day and decided to see how well I could pace him. While I of course had nothing on his acceleration I found I could hit speedbumps at least twice as fast as he did and my willingness to throw my 240D into 90degree turns at speed made me quite competitive. Yeah it was alot like on Cops, I'd floor the go pedal and drag the wheel around. Get the car going sideways, take my foot off the throttle just a little and the rears would catch, back on throttle and I'm off. I imagine with a 300D I could probably have done really well. The 190D does well but I'm reluctant to throw it around as much. -Curt Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 01:16:18 -0500 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sounds impressive. Especially if it was on dry pavement. You must emulate the slide-around-the-corner techniques displayed on the cop shows - a la Rockford Files or A-Team. You know what's impressive, are the J-turns executed in the Presidential limousines. They get the front end bouncing off the ground during execution of that move. Brian 83 240D - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 07 13:41:25 2006 Received: from mxa.windwireless.net ([199.164.167.40]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRrDJ-0002iU-8T for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:41:25 + Received: from dogear.com (IP-206-63-94-253.progress.wi-fi.windwireless.net [206.63.94.253] (may be forged)) by mxa.windwireless.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k37Dg6nA017986 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 06:42:06 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 06:41:23 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scan: smtp-vilter X-SMTP-Vilter-Version: 1.1.0rc2 X-SMTP-Vilter-Backend: Clam AntiVirus Daemon (clamd) X-SMTP-Vilter-Status: clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0rc4 (mxa.windwireless.net [199.164.167.40]); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:42:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Seat broke X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:41:25 - You've got a flopper too? I fight back the urge to tell the wife to be less gibbon-like with most of the controls in the car (especially to avoid cranking around the temperature dials every time she feels hot or cold - I'd rather she utilize the fresh air lever, or shut down or open up her vents rather than twirling those dials that I think are going to croak anytime). I have yet to bring up her collapsing into the seat like she's scuba diving off a boat. I'm just making progress on the door slamming. [Furtively looking around, coast is clear...] Yes. The SDL has an ACC system which mostly she doesn't fiddle with. But I often get in to find it on Bi-level, or Off. It's a mystery. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
The street in to work is somewhat of a racetrack. I was behind a guy with a Subaru STI one day and decided to see how well I could pace him. While I of course had nothing on his acceleration I found I could hit speedbumps at least twice as fast as he did and my willingness to throw my 240D into 90degree turns at speed made me quite competitive. As in so many things, it's not so much what you've got but what you do with it... My brother raced dirt bikes at one time. Can you guess what happened one time we all (siblings cousins) went to the go-kart racetrack? He won every time. Handily. Didn't seem to matter which pig he got stuck with. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
Hate to tell you, but if you were keeping up with the STi in the corners, then the guy was either taking it easy, or doesn't know how to drive it that well. That car weighs less than either a 240D or 300D and has more than twice the power of the 300D and about 4 times a 240D. So on the straights he should be REALLY leaving you behind. His 0-60mph time is what 4 seconds? Yours is what 20? On the corners, I'd pretty well guarantee that his suspension is superior to a 240 or 300 in perfect condition, let alone I'm guessing most of these 20-30 year old cars aren't as good as they used to be? (: If it makes you feel better, you can carry a lot more 5 gallon pails in your trunk than he can! WY different thinking between those two cars. But great engineering and reliability in both. (: Levi 83' 300D 97' Subaru Impreza Curt Raymond wrote: The street in to work is somewhat of a racetrack. I was behind a guy with a Subaru STI one day and decided to see how well I could pace him. While I of course had nothing on his acceleration I found I could hit speedbumps at least twice as fast as he did and my willingness to throw my 240D into 90degree turns at speed made me quite competitive. Yeah it was alot like on Cops, I'd floor the go pedal and drag the wheel around. Get the car going sideways, take my foot off the throttle just a little and the rears would catch, back on throttle and I'm off. I imagine with a 300D I could probably have done really well. The 190D does well but I'm reluctant to throw it around as much. -Curt Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 01:16:18 -0500 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sounds impressive. Especially if it was on dry pavement. You must emulate the slide-around-the-corner techniques displayed on the cop shows - a la Rockford Files or A-Team. You know what's impressive, are the J-turns executed in the Presidential limousines. They get the front end bouncing off the ground during execution of that move. Brian 83 240D - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] 450SL Tranny ?
My buddy's 79 450SL tranny has started acting up -- holding (what I think is) the 2-3 shift at 35-40mph. He says it does not shift right sometimes, will rev much higher, then shift. I have not yet driven the car to see what it is doing, but suggested first thing is a new filter/M1 fluid change. See what that does, about due for it anyway. ? is -- Is this tranny like the 79 TD's, vac shifted? Maybe a bad connection? Modulator, etc. that goes bad? These could be easy fixes I guess, would not indicate something more dire. (OK that is maybe 3 ?s but they are all kinda the same) Thoughts? --R
Re: [MBZ] this weeks ebay ad winner
and no good pics or description redghost wrote: jeeez 14 bids, no feedback, and it is over $1k On Thursday, April 6, 2006, at 07:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ 11511012046181_W0QQitemZ4627421224QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] this weeks ebay ad winner
It's in Mississippi - want to bet it's Katrina damaged? On 4/7/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and no good pics or description redghost wrote: jeeez 14 bids, no feedback, and it is over $1k On Thursday, April 6, 2006, at 07:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ 11511012046181_W0QQitemZ4627421224QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] DieselPurge
In a message dated 4/7/2006 6:22:10 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I do believe that you are to manually manipulate your throttle linkage from medium to fast and a little slow while Purging...it is not to be done idling the whole time, correct? Shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to burn through that bottle, no? For maximum cleaning effect, the fuel return line should be routed back to the purge container and the fluid recycled until gone. This took me about 45 minutes, mostly at idle. Watch the level and don't let it run completely dry! Hard starting will ensue. I set up my video camera to listen to the engine before, during, and after the purge. It was definitely more quiet after! Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 141 K miles
Re: [MBZ] 450SL Tranny ?
In a message dated 4/7/2006 7:12:14 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My buddy's 79 450SL tranny has started acting up -- holding (what I think is) the 2-3 shift at 35-40mph. He says it does not shift right sometimes, will rev much higher, then shift. I have not yet driven the car to see what it is doing, but suggested first thing is a new filter/M1 fluid change. See what that does, about due for it anyway. ? is -- Is this tranny like the 79 TD's, vac shifted? Maybe a bad connection? Modulator, etc. that goes bad? These could be easy fixes I guess, would not indicate something more dire. (OK that is maybe 3 ?s but they are all kinda the same) Thoughts? R, Don't overlook a failing kick down switch, probably under the throttle pedal. If sticking closed it will elevate shift points and nearly lock out top gear. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 141 K miles
[MBZ] Columbus CL 1987 300D
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Re: [MBZ] Seat broke
Pulled the driver's seat (what a PITA!) to find that yes, indeed, there is a broken spring. Fortunately it hadn't poked too far into the pad yet. The break was out in the middle where access would be easy once the motorized frame was removed. While I do have extra springs from the boneyard heated seats I laid in, installing them would not be a quick job. I decided that I could weld this break in place much easier. To get the motorized frame off you have to be able to run it back and forth to gain access to the various screw heads. If you pull the plugs to the motors from the controller module you can see that two of the five contacts are much larger than the others. These are the motor connections, and it was an easy matter to hook a battery to them to move them, reversing the polarity as necessary. The fun part is in guessing which motor and plug is the one you need. With the frame removed I laid down old carpeting over the stump I use as a welding prop and the ground, so that the seat wouldn't be scuffed, and placed the seat for easy access to the bottom. Then I soaked a bunch of old towels in water and laid them over everything so that only the spring break (!) was exposed. That protects everything from flying bits of molten metal. The ground clamp was secured to one of the noninsulated crimps that hold the (coated) springs together. (I theorized that the coating was penetrated by the crimped metal. In fact it was.) Then I wedged the two broken ends together and hit them with the MIG. Zap! The ends were secured. This, however, is an insufficient fix as welding springs ruins their temper, I don't believe that this kind of fix would hold long. What I did next was wrap the break in a bandage of mild sheet steel, a 1/4 strip that had been cut out of another project. I then welded the wraps together so that it is semi-solid. This, I hope, will hold it all together. (I have done similar fixes before and none have broken to my knowledge, but none have been subjected to she-who-must-drop-from-a-height for any length of time.) I put the seat on the ground and sat on it, and it felt better to me. Reinstallation promises to be just as much of a pain as removal was. But it's time for breakfast. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 450SL Tranny ?
My buddy's 79 450SL tranny has started acting up -- holding (what I think is) the 2-3 shift at 35-40mph. He says it does not shift right sometimes, will rev much higher, then shift. Don't forget to check the kickdown switch. Easy to get crapped up. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] DieselPurge
I ran it on slow idle for most of the time, but did bump it up to fast idle for about five minutes in the middle of the procedure. On 4/7/06, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed. And I do believe that you are to manually manipulate your throttle linkage from medium to fast and a little slow while Purging...it is not to be done idling the whole time, correct? Shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to burn through that bottle, no? Chris -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
[MBZ] is there rubber in the injection pump? seals? O-rings?
and does it come into contact with fuel or just motor oil? Sorry, I have no idea how these things work :-( THANKS! CM Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 07 17:10:20 2006 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com ([66.249.82.192]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRuTO-0002OP-A3 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:10:18 + Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t10so338822wxc for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:10:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eLRaV6OrQMXiHySAPjxfqBrXe+eyLo+yEmGc7NmqjKHsraDH65q80uEBVvmRLyl9su4vA4pBU3mWwpxLVFlGZXjwNrSjZ37IgYA6prRBeoQtgHaSEssEbLV1UXSqcKl7pLJFJkdMAXDN644a/Q0tgIKw5vK+NnMUo0z3OhD/XvE= Received: by 10.70.49.2 with SMTP id w2mr2749187wxw; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.16.4 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:10:07 -0700 From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] is there rubber in the injection pump? seals? O-rings? X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:10:20 - Other than the delivery valve o-rings, I'm not aware of any rubber seals that come into direct contact with the fuel in an inline MB injection pump. They use engine oil for lubricating the pump internals. On 4/7/06, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and does it come into contact with fuel or just motor oil? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (212k) '84 300D (211k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
Uhh yeah, that'd be true on the street... Did you miss the part about my flogging the 240D over speedbumps where he was scared of bottoming out? 0-60 isn't as relevent as 0-30 in this case. Also my willingness to take a 90 degree turn at 30mph that completes by bouncing off the curb... So yeah he's not driving his to the full extent because he doesn't want to break stuff. On the 240D I really didn't care... -Curt Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:53:40 -0400 From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Hate to tell you, but if you were keeping up with the STi in the corners, then the guy was either taking it easy, or doesn't know how to drive it that well. That car weighs less than either a 240D or 300D and has more than twice the power of the 300D and about 4 times a 240D. So on the straights he should be REALLY leaving you behind. His 0-60mph time is what 4 seconds? Yours is what 20? On the corners, I'd pretty well guarantee that his suspension is superior to a 240 or 300 in perfect condition, let alone I'm guessing most of these 20-30 year old cars aren't as good as they used to be? (: If it makes you feel better, you can carry a lot more 5 gallon pails in your trunk than he can! WY different thinking between those two cars. But great engineering and reliability in both. (: Levi 83' 300D 97' Subaru Impreza - Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 07 17:22:02 2006 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.192.81]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRueo-0003Yj-Eu for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:22:02 + Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-24-3-195-27.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[24.3.195.27]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id 20060407172156m11005h5dce; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:21:57 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:21:55 -0400 From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] DieselPurge X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:22:02 - Christopher McCann wrote: Indeed. And I do believe that you are to manually manipulate your throttle linkage from medium to fast and a little slow while Purging...it is not to be done idling the whole time, correct? Shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to burn through that bottle, no? It usually takes me 15-20 minutes to run a can of Diesel Purge thru one of my cars. I warm the engine up first and run the engine at different speeds while it's being fueled with the DP. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Seat broke
Jim Cathey wrote: Pulled the driver's seat (what a PITA!) to find that yes, indeed, there is a broken spring. Fortunately it hadn't poked too far into the pad yet. The break was out in the middle where access would be easy once the motorized frame was removed. While I do have extra springs from the boneyard heated seats I laid in, installing them would not be a quick job. I decided that I could weld this break in place much easier. To get the motorized frame off you have to be able to run it back and forth to gain access to the various screw heads. If you pull the plugs to the motors from the controller module you can see that two of the five contacts are much larger than the others. These are the motor connections, and it was an easy matter to hook a battery to them to move them, reversing the polarity as necessary. The fun part is in guessing which motor and plug is the one you need. With the frame removed I laid down old carpeting over the stump I use as a welding prop and the ground, so that the seat wouldn't be scuffed, and placed the seat for easy access to the bottom. Then I soaked a bunch of old towels in water and laid them over everything so that only the spring break (!) was exposed. That protects everything from flying bits of molten metal. The ground clamp was secured to one of the noninsulated crimps that hold the (coated) springs together. (I theorized that the coating was penetrated by the crimped metal. In fact it was.) Then I wedged the two broken ends together and hit them with the MIG. Zap! The ends were secured. This, however, is an insufficient fix as welding springs ruins their temper, I don't believe that this kind of fix would hold long. What I did next was wrap the break in a bandage of mild sheet steel, a 1/4 strip that had been cut out of another project. I then welded the wraps together so that it is semi-solid. This, I hope, will hold it all together. (I have done similar fixes before and none have broken to my knowledge, but none have been subjected to she-who-must-drop-from-a-height for any length of time.) I put the seat on the ground and sat on it, and it felt better to me. Reinstallation promises to be just as much of a pain as removal was. But it's time for breakfast. I have dozens of reports of repaired springs. Virtually all failed, most within weeks or months. A few that had the repair supplemented with lots of foam packed around/under the spring to provide additional support lasted longer or much longer. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] this weeks ebay ad winner
Smells like SHILL BIDDING was at work... On 4/7/06, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's in Mississippi - want to bet it's Katrina damaged? On 4/7/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and no good pics or description redghost wrote: jeeez 14 bids, no feedback, and it is over $1k On Thursday, April 6, 2006, at 07:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ 11511012046181_W0QQitemZ4627421224QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] DieselPurge
Can someone please post a link to a webpage setting forth the proper procedure (pref. with photo(s)) for running the purge through my W123 300TD turbodiesel? On 4/7/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: Indeed. And I do believe that you are to manually manipulate your throttle linkage from medium to fast and a little slow while Purging...it is not to be done idling the whole time, correct? Shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to burn through that bottle, no? It usually takes me 15-20 minutes to run a can of Diesel Purge thru one of my cars. I warm the engine up first and run the engine at different speeds while it's being fueled with the DP. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] anyone want a 79 6.9?
http://newyork.craigslist.org/jsy/car/148841246.html
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
Sunil Hari wrote: When I had bundt wheels, mine never got dirty from brake dust - they still had the factory inner liners between the wheels and the brakes, and so the wheels still looked pristine. The liners were metal (maybe aluminum?) and not that thick, but they took all the abuse from the brake dust. Maybe these liners are still available. What you call factory inner liners are more likely aftermarket Kleen Wheels and are forbidden by Mercedes (there are TSBs on the subject) because they seriously compromise the brakes and their stopping power under prolonged use or emergency conditions. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] DieselPurge
Forgive me Rusty. A good step by step is in the Performance Parts catalog. I can fax it to you if you send me your fax number off-list. Don On 4/7/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone please post a link to a webpage setting forth the proper procedure (pref. with photo(s)) for running the purge through my W123 300TD turbodiesel? On 4/7/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: Indeed. And I do believe that you are to manually manipulate your throttle linkage from medium to fast and a little slow while Purging...it is not to be done idling the whole time, correct? Shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to burn through that bottle, no? It usually takes me 15-20 minutes to run a can of Diesel Purge thru one of my cars. I warm the engine up first and run the engine at different speeds while it's being fueled with the DP. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge
Jim wrote (about Diesel Purge) - It was definitely more quiet after
Speaking of becoming quieter, I changed the ATF and filter early this week
(on the '91 300D) and could swear the car is quieter!
While I expect this when changing from fossil to synthetic engine oil, the
change in sound level from fossil ATF to M1 ATF was unexpected.
Has anyone else experienced this (with the ATF change) or is it my
imagination/wishful thinking?
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] DieselPurge
In a message dated 4/7/2006 6:22:10 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And I do believe that you are to manually manipulate your throttle
linkage
from medium to fast and a little slow while Purging...it is not to be
done
idling the whole time, correct? Shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to
burn
through that bottle, no?
For maximum cleaning effect, the fuel return line should be routed back to
the purge container and the fluid recycled until gone. This took me about
45
minutes, mostly at idle.
Watch the level and don't let it run completely dry! Hard starting will
ensue.
I set up my video camera to listen to the engine before, during, and
after
the purge. It was definitely more quiet after!
Regards,
Jim Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles
98 ML 320, 141 K miles
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Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
Rhonald Angelo wrote: I have been negligent in washing.my wheels are looking bad..the rear cleaned up well, but the front ones are not comming clean and it feels rough in some places..some pitting I guess...any suggestions on what to clean them with, to keep from making it worse? I know about the clean wheels but have heard discussions about overheating...some have said not to use, some say ok if slotted..another said if one has a habit of riding the brakes while driving, it is problematic...what to do..I don't have time to clean wheels 3 - 4 times a week.. Remember, the Mercedes light alloy wheels from the '70s and '80s are PAINTED. You mustn't use anything on them that's harsher than what you'd use on the painted surface of the car body. They are painted with Astral Silver paint (paint code 735) and covered with clear coat. Using products meant to clean bare metal alloy wheels is FAR too harsh and will destroy the finish. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] anyone want a 79 6.9?
It's got that oogy velour interior that always smells like 12 year old tobacco smoke... I could b*rf just thinking about it On 4/7/06, Dave Wakin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://newyork.craigslist.org/jsy/car/148841246.html ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim wrote (about Diesel Purge) - It was definitely more quiet after Speaking of becoming quieter, I changed the ATF and filter early this week (on the '91 300D) and could swear the car is quieter! While I expect this when changing from fossil to synthetic engine oil, the change in sound level from fossil ATF to M1 ATF was unexpected. Has anyone else experienced this (with the ATF change) or is it my imagination/wishful thinking? I've NEVER noticed any change in sound. My transmissions don't make any detectable sound when the engine/driveline is properly supported by their rubber mounts and couplings, but the transmission does shift more smoothly - especially in cold weather. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Seat broke
I repaired my SD driver seat nearly a year ago using copper clad steel wire wrapped into a tight coil and slid as a support sleeve around the break and J.B. Weld. Still together today and the only issue is a missing bolt in the seat. Luther ~ ~I have dozens of reports of repaired springs. Virtually all failed, ~most within weeks or months. A few that had the repair supplemented ~with lots of foam packed around/under the spring to provide additional ~support lasted longer or much longer. ~ ~Marshall ~-- ~ Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) ~ der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 ~190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ~ ~___ ~http://www.striplin.net ~For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ ~For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ ~To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: ~http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] DieselPurge
On 4/7/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: Indeed. And I do believe that you are to manually manipulate your throttle linkage from medium to fast and a little slow while Purging...it is not to be done idling the whole time, correct? Shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to burn through that bottle, no? It usually takes me 15-20 minutes to run a can of Diesel Purge thru one of my cars. I warm the engine up first and run the engine at different speeds while it's being fueled with the DP. Marshall Why not mount a bottle or jar under the hood (duct tape to the rescue!) as a temporary fuel tank and then drive around until it's gone? I would think the beneficial effects of Purging would only be enhanced by a simultanous Italian tuneup. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper
Re: [MBZ] Seat broke
Luther Gulseth wrote: I repaired my SD driver seat nearly a year ago using copper clad steel wire wrapped into a tight coil and slid as a support sleeve around the break and J.B. Weld. Still together today and the only issue is a missing bolt in the seat. I'll mention that in the future. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] is there rubber in the injection pump? seals? O-rings?
Engine oil lubricating the IP is not true for OM 621 and at least some 615 engines. Does anyone know where the cutoff was between the fuel lubricated pumps and crankcase oil lubricated pumps? I think it was mid 70s somewhere. My 66 engines are fuel lubricated. My 81 240D is engine lubed. Loren At 12:10 PM 4/7/2006, you wrote: Other than the delivery valve o-rings, I'm not aware of any rubber seals that come into direct contact with the fuel in an inline MB injection pump. They use engine oil for lubricating the pump internals. On 4/7/06, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and does it come into contact with fuel or just motor oil? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (212k) '84 300D (211k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] is there rubber in the injection pump? seals? O-rings?
Engine oil lubricating the IP is not true for OM 621 and at least some 615 engines. Does anyone know where the cutoff was between the fuel lubricated pumps and crankcase oil lubricated pumps? I think it was mid 70s somewhere. Are you sure about that? Ones with the red OEL cap are still engine oil lubricated, but you have to pour the engine oil into them! They don't get it automatically from the engine. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Seat broke
I repaired my SD driver seat nearly a year ago using copper clad steel wire wrapped into a tight coil and slid as a support sleeve around the break and J.B. Weld. Still together today and the only issue is a missing bolt This is substantially what I have just done, except that there was no JB about the welding. I would never expect the repair to hold if the spring was merely welded back together. The key is the splint. But we'll see how long it holds up. The SDL gets driven a lot and we're planning to keep it indefinitely. I can feel the repair from below, so I can keep tabs on it. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] is there rubber in the injection pump? seals? O-rings?
Loren Faeth wrote: Engine oil lubricating the IP is not true for OM 621 and at least some 615 engines. Does anyone know where the cutoff was between the fuel lubricated pumps and crankcase oil lubricated pumps? I think it was mid 70s somewhere. My 66 engines are fuel lubricated. My 81 240D is engine lubed. All Bosch injection pumps in Mercedes diesels are lubricated with engine oil - NOT fuel. The early ones (OM615/616 thru 1976) were NOT connected to the engine lubrication system, the later ones were connected, but engine oil was the lubricant in all of them. One of the maintenance points (job 800 '72-'80 Maintenance Manual) on the early ones was to unscrew the check plug and fill the pump with engine oil so it would displace any fuel/fuel-oil mix that had migrated into the oil reservoir. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] 450SL Tranny ?
I'll have him check that out, see if it is buggered up at all. Does this tranny have the B2 (or B4?) valve that breaks? Does it have vac assist? I'm trying to narrow things down from the transmission is broken. --R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: R, Don't overlook a failing kick down switch, probably under the throttle pedal. If sticking closed it will elevate shift points and nearly lock out top gear. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 141 K miles
Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge
Maybe some dripped down into your ears when you were under there doing the fluid drain? That could make things quieter! --R Marshall Booth wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim wrote (about Diesel Purge) - It was definitely more quiet after Speaking of becoming quieter, I changed the ATF and filter early this week (on the '91 300D) and could swear the car is quieter! While I expect this when changing from fossil to synthetic engine oil, the change in sound level from fossil ATF to M1 ATF was unexpected. Has anyone else experienced this (with the ATF change) or is it my imagination/wishful thinking? I've NEVER noticed any change in sound. My transmissions don't make any detectable sound when the engine/driveline is properly supported by their rubber mounts and couplings, but the transmission does shift more smoothly - especially in cold weather. Marshall
Re: [MBZ] Seat broke
I don't know if it makes that much difference, but J.B. doesn't heat the spring like a MIG will. ~ ~This is substantially what I have just done, except that there was no ~JB about the welding. I would never expect the repair to hold if the ~spring was merely welded back together. The key is the splint. ~ ~But we'll see how long it holds up. The SDL gets driven a lot and ~we're planning to keep it indefinitely. I can feel the repair from ~below, so I can keep tabs on it. ~ ~-- Jim ~ ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] Rust in the trunk
w115 rusty trunk repair the right way is a nightmare. I'm still working on my trunk repair now for 3-4 months. Only several hours per week and being a perfectionist. I left some posts on my progress several months ago. Well anyway I purchased the trunck floor new for $180 plus $70 for shipping from KK. Drilling out the hundredes of spot welds is no fun. Fuel tank willa lso have to come off. Left side of trunk floor doesn't appear to be available so I am fabricating this. Need a bead roller. Waiting for custom die to be made to duplicate bead exactly. Dimitri 73 220D Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: POR15 should be your new best friend. Check out their website, they have a variety of good stuff over there. You could either just glob the paint on if the holes are really tiny and the structure of the metal is not compromised or use it with some fiberglass matte to build up strength. They also make a putty version of the stuff for filling larger areas. I used it to seal a snowmobile gas tank a couple years ago and its been just great. I also used it on a lawnmower deck last spring. I haven't mowed with that yet but after a winter of sitting out in the snow none of the rust has come back. I just wirebrushed the worst of the rust off, use the 2 treatment chemicals and just brushed on the paint. Anywhere its going to be exposed to sunlight you need to topcoat but in a trunk you'd be okay. Be aware also that most normal primer is porus so rust will develop under it just as fast or faster than baremetal. -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 19:47:48 -0700 From: redghost Subject: [MBZ] Rust in the trunk To: Mercedes list Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Jim Cathey is my new best friend. Curse Jim. When he came over a few weeks ago, he was nice enough to want to check Gump's trunk. We found that there was a lake under the rubber and trunk liner. Lots of rusty looking stuff. Thought I would wait until summer when it got hot and dry to tackle that. Then I decided I ought to look at it further, so today I pulled the liner out and sopped up the water. Really nasty looking rust staining everywhere. Out comes the wire wheel and away I go attacking the dynamat like stuff as well as the gooey rubbery coating. All the way down to bare painted metal or rust. Found a Bunch of pin holes as well as a few larger, though none bigger than a dime. There is a largish black plastic hose that runs from starboard to port in a channel. Guess where the most rust through is. YEP! right there it is mostly rusted all the way through and the tanks seems to just hang from a few paper thin bits of metal. First question - What is the best or quickest method to plug the little holes? I have already used the rust to black primer spray and thought about maybe Bondo or an epoxy coating, then some bedliner for protection. Second question - How in creation do I deal with the rusted through bit to join the stern back to the rest of the car? Can I have a panel made with the channel and weld that in? It would cover the access to the tank sender -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 07 19:50:20 2006 Received: from bay102-f25.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.35] helo=hotmail.com) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRwyJ-0002dT-UX for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:50:20 + Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:50:12 -0700 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:50:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.42] X-Originating-Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Rhonald Angelo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bcc: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:50:11 + Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2006 19:50:12.0479 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BB8C8F0:01C65A7C] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes
Re: [MBZ] DieselPurge
That's a diesel colonic, not a diesel purge! Chris Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/7/06, Marshall Booth wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: Indeed. And I do believe that you are to manually manipulate your throttle linkage from medium to fast and a little slow while Purging...it is not to be done idling the whole time, correct? Shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to burn through that bottle, no? It usually takes me 15-20 minutes to run a can of Diesel Purge thru one of my cars. I warm the engine up first and run the engine at different speeds while it's being fueled with the DP. Marshall Why not mount a bottle or jar under the hood (duct tape to the rescue!) as a temporary fuel tank and then drive around until it's gone? I would think the beneficial effects of Purging would only be enhanced by a simultanous Italian tuneup. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 07 19:52:12 2006 Received: from e2.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.142]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRx08-0002v0-AY for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:52:12 + Received: from d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (d01relay02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.234]) by e2.ny.us.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k37Jq1nj029548 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:52:01 -0400 Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (d01av04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.64]) by d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.8) with ESMTP id k37JppuE106270 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:51:51 -0400 Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k37JppSq021353 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:51:51 -0400 Received: from d01ml251.pok.ibm.com (d01ml251.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.119]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k37Jppuw021344 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:51:51 -0400 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: ANGELO GIAIMO [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:51:50 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01ML251/01/M/IBM(Release 7.0HF124 | January 12, 2006) at 04/07/2006 15:51:51 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] W126 Sunroof Wind noise. X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:52:12 - Hi, Had my sunroof rails and other assorted parts on my sunroof replaced and had the whole thing re-aligned. Works nice and crisp now, except.when closed and at highway speeds (75mph +) something starts to whistle (Leak air?) in the S/R. When I crack the window openthe noise/whistling goes away. Is there a fix, is something not adjusted properly? Where do I start looking? Thanks! Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532); 2070 Rt. 52; Hopewell Junction, N.Y. 12533
Re: [MBZ] is there rubber in the injection pump? seals? O-rings?
And it is diluted by fuel Ever drain one? As I recall, they are made so that any oil that gets into the fuel is replaced by fuel. At 02:07 PM 4/7/2006, you wrote: Engine oil lubricating the IP is not true for OM 621 and at least some 615 engines. Does anyone know where the cutoff was between the fuel lubricated pumps and crankcase oil lubricated pumps? I think it was mid 70s somewhere. Are you sure about that? Ones with the red OEL cap are still engine oil lubricated, but you have to pour the engine oil into them! They don't get it automatically from the engine. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] is there rubber in the injection pump? seals? O-rings?
fill the pump with engine oil so it would displace any fuel/fuel-oil mix that had migrated into the oil reservoir. My point is that if you use fuel that eats seals, these older pumps DO mix fuel with the lube oil in the IP, so expect your seals to get eaten. At 02:28 PM 4/7/2006, you wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: Engine oil lubricating the IP is not true for OM 621 and at least some 615 engines. Does anyone know where the cutoff was between the fuel lubricated pumps and crankcase oil lubricated pumps? I think it was mid 70s somewhere. My 66 engines are fuel lubricated. My 81 240D is engine lubed. All Bosch injection pumps in Mercedes diesels are lubricated with engine oil - NOT fuel. The early ones (OM615/616 thru 1976) were NOT connected to the engine lubrication system, the later ones were connected, but engine oil was the lubricant in all of them. One of the maintenance points (job 800 '72-'80 Maintenance Manual) on the early ones was to unscrew the check plug and fill the pump with engine oil so it would displace any fuel/fuel-oil mix that had migrated into the oil reservoir. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] is there rubber in the injection pump? seals? O-rings?
On Apr 7, 2006, at 2:53 PM, Loren Faeth wrote: My 66 engines are fuel lubricated. My 81 240D is engine lubed. Loren Aren't your earlier engines equipped with a pump that periodically needs to be filled with motor oil? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] is there rubber in the injection pump? seals? O-rings?
and in the newer pumps (617 603 engines), lubed by engine oil only - is there rubber to be eaten by fuels like biodiesel? Chris Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fill the pump with engine oil so it would displace any fuel/fuel-oil mix that had migrated into the oil reservoir. My point is that if you use fuel that eats seals, these older pumps DO mix fuel with the lube oil in the IP, so expect your seals to get eaten. At 02:28 PM 4/7/2006, you wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: Engine oil lubricating the IP is not true for OM 621 and at least some 615 engines. Does anyone know where the cutoff was between the fuel lubricated pumps and crankcase oil lubricated pumps? I think it was mid 70s somewhere. My 66 engines are fuel lubricated. My 81 240D is engine lubed. All Bosch injection pumps in Mercedes diesels are lubricated with engine oil - NOT fuel. The early ones (OM615/616 thru 1976) were NOT connected to the engine lubrication system, the later ones were connected, but engine oil was the lubricant in all of them. One of the maintenance points (job 800 '72-'80 Maintenance Manual) on the early ones was to unscrew the check plug and fill the pump with engine oil so it would displace any fuel/fuel-oil mix that had migrated into the oil reservoir. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 07 20:08:35 2006 Received: from mta10.adelphia.net ([68.168.78.202]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRxFz-0004Ne-1z for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:08:35 + Received: from your03667082de ([68.233.1.238]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:08:27 -0400 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:08:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] DieselPurge X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:08:35 - Takes about an hour to run two cans. From getting all the stuff together and putting everything away. it works. Regards Tom - Original Message - From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] DieselPurge I ran it on slow idle for most of the time, but did bump it up to fast idle for about five minutes in the middle of the procedure. On 4/7/06, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed. And I do believe that you are to manually manipulate your throttle linkage from medium to fast and a little slow while Purging...it is not to be done idling the whole time, correct? Shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to burn through that bottle, no? Chris -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had
Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge
Has anyone else experienced this (with the ATF change) or is it my
imagination/wishful thinking?
Imagination but who cares. Now you can go much longer between ATF changes!
/Tom
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge
Jim wrote (about Diesel Purge) - It was definitely more quiet after
Speaking of becoming quieter, I changed the ATF and filter early this week
(on the '91 300D) and could swear the car is quieter!
While I expect this when changing from fossil to synthetic engine oil, the
change in sound level from fossil ATF to M1 ATF was unexpected.
Has anyone else experienced this (with the ATF change) or is it my
imagination/wishful thinking?
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] DieselPurge
In a message dated 4/7/2006 6:22:10 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And I do believe that you are to manually manipulate your throttle
linkage
from medium to fast and a little slow while Purging...it is not to be
done
idling the whole time, correct? Shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to
burn
through that bottle, no?
For maximum cleaning effect, the fuel return line should be routed back
to
the purge container and the fluid recycled until gone. This took me
about
45
minutes, mostly at idle.
Watch the level and don't let it run completely dry! Hard starting will
ensue.
I set up my video camera to listen to the engine before, during, and
after
the purge. It was definitely more quiet after!
Regards,
Jim Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles
98 ML 320, 141 K miles
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Re: [MBZ] is there rubber in the injection pump? seals? O-rings?
Delivery valve o-rings At 03:05 PM 4/7/2006, you wrote: and in the newer pumps (617 603 engines), lubed by engine oil only - is there rubber to be eaten by fuels like biodiesel? Chris Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fill the pump with engine oil so it would displace any fuel/fuel-oil mix that had migrated into the oil reservoir. My point is that if you use fuel that eats seals, these older pumps DO mix fuel with the lube oil in the IP, so expect your seals to get eaten. At 02:28 PM 4/7/2006, you wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: Engine oil lubricating the IP is not true for OM 621 and at least some 615 engines. Does anyone know where the cutoff was between the fuel lubricated pumps and crankcase oil lubricated pumps? I think it was mid 70s somewhere. My 66 engines are fuel lubricated. My 81 240D is engine lubed. All Bosch injection pumps in Mercedes diesels are lubricated with engine oil - NOT fuel. The early ones (OM615/616 thru 1976) were NOT connected to the engine lubrication system, the later ones were connected, but engine oil was the lubricant in all of them. One of the maintenance points (job 800 '72-'80 Maintenance Manual) on the early ones was to unscrew the check plug and fill the pump with engine oil so it would displace any fuel/fuel-oil mix that had migrated into the oil reservoir. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] is there rubber in the injection pump? seals? O-rings?
Fuel doesn't EAT most seals. Older (those used at least thru the mid '80s) seals swell when fuel with sulfur is used and when that fuel is replaced with fuel that doesn't have sulfur in it, the seals shrink back toward their original size. BUT, if they are 10+ years old, they are likely to crack/leak. Blame whatever you'd like, but it's the age and condition of the seals, NOT the low sulfur fuel that's the problem. Most injection pump delivery valve O rings don't fail, but SOME will (only one of the 7 OM60x injection pumps I've owned have leaked - even fewer OM61x pumps seem to leak). I think it depends on how much contact the O ring seals have with the fuel - some really have minimal or NO contact as the metal/metal surfaces form a complete seal so the O ring never has any contact with the sulfur in the fuel. In other cases, the O rings are bathed in fuel and when the sulfur is removed, they shrink and leak. The O rings that have been available for more than a decade don't seem to have this problem. There were similar problems that occurred when engines run on older conventional oil blends were changed to synthetic oil. Mobil solved the problem by adding some group V oil that compensated for the removal of the seal swelling properties of the older conventional oil. That's why changing to Mobil 1 oil USUALLY results in slight to modest oil seal leaks being slowed or cured. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] W126 Sunroof Wind noise.
ANGELO GIAIMO wrote: Hi, Had my sunroof rails and other assorted parts on my sunroof replaced and had the whole thing re-aligned. Works nice and crisp now, except.when closed and at highway speeds (75mph +) something starts to whistle (Leak air?) in the S/R. When I crack the window openthe noise/whistling goes away. Is there a fix, is something not adjusted properly? Where do I start looking? The roof won't whistle when properly aligned. It's a matter of precise positioning. http://mb.braingears.com/126_DISC1/program/Chassis/77-110.pdf Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] W126 Sunroof Wind noise.
Is there a fix, is something not adjusted properly? Where do I start looking? Sounds like it's either not adjusted properly, or one of the new seals isn't sealing right. You can try the 'dollar bill' test: close it on a dollar bill and see how tightly it's gripped. On all sides. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] is there rubber in the injection pump? seals? O-rings?
My point is that if you use fuel that eats seals, these older pumps DO mix fuel with the lube oil in the IP, so expect your seals to get eaten. As do the newer ones, but the volume of oil to dilute is larger. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge
Tom Scordato wrote: Has anyone else experienced this (with the ATF change) or is it my imagination/wishful thinking? Imagination but who cares. Now you can go much longer between ATF changes! You must NOT push the change interval when using Mobil 1 ATF. You need to change the fluid/filter at about the same interval as part of the purpose of the ATF/filter change is to remove the friction material debris (that will clog the filter). Even conventional ATF is seldom worn out when a change is required although it may be damaged or contaminated. The advantage of M-1 ATF is the much smoother shifting (and resulting longer friction material life) and more viscosity consistency with respect to temperature. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] is there rubber in the injection pump? seals? O-rings?
Yes, it is supposed to be topped up with motor oil, but if you drain it at the top up intervals, you will find the lube is mostly fuel. Most of them never saw oil after they left the factory, or at least after the OE sold them. They are capable of running tens or hundreds of thousands of miles without addition of motor oil, because the fuel displaces the oil and they are fuel lubed then. We are splitting hairs here. Theory, vs. real world. Technically it is oil lubed, but in practice, there is a lot of fuel in there. It is designed so that if the oil gets low, the chamber is filled with fuel. When ever I serviced the vacuum governed pump. i drained all the stuff in the IP case, then filled motor oil. Yes, if the jobs are followed religiously, and when they were new, maybe most of the lube is oil, but fuel does get in there, and if it is a type that eats seals, you could loose the main seal of a 30 yr old pump, and then very likely ruin the pump. now that they are all 30-40 years old, they are worn, and more fuel mixes with the oil. I am only wanting to put out a word of warning about putting snake oil in the tank. Do it as you wish guys, but be aware if you have a vacuum governed pump, don't be shocked if you have IP problems. Chris, since your AKP-Wagon is in sacrificial status, have a blast with anything that will go into the tank. In practice, the seal may NEVER fail, with any kind of homebrew. There is also a diaphragm in the vacuum governor that could be affected by non-standard fuels. IN theory, yes, fuel never touches the diaphragm. But every one I have been into has petroleum products of some form in the diaphragm chamber. ALL Bosch inline pumps have o-rings on the delivery valve body, even if it is on a Case tractor. Have fun experimenting, but don't be shocked if your pump fails. The mechanically governed pumps are less likely to have a fuel -induced problem, because of the active motor oil lube system At 03:00 PM 4/7/2006, you wrote: On Apr 7, 2006, at 2:53 PM, Loren Faeth wrote: My 66 engines are fuel lubricated. My 81 240D is engine lubed. Loren Aren't your earlier engines equipped with a pump that periodically needs to be filled with motor oil? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] is there rubber in the injection pump? seals? O-rings?
I used eat as a figurative term. Age, oxidation, and exposure to deleterious compounds are the main causes of o-ring and seal failure (breakdown of polymer chains). Technically, these parts don't fail they simply suffer from breakdown of the polymer chains. This leads to the part to fail to function as designed, but the part does not fail. Again, we are splitting hairs, between theory, science, and what happens in spite of theory and science. At 03:47 PM 4/7/2006, you wrote: Fuel doesn't EAT most seals. Older (those used at least thru the mid '80s) seals swell when fuel with sulfur is used and when that fuel is replaced with fuel that doesn't have sulfur in it, the seals shrink back toward their original size. BUT, if they are 10+ years old, they are likely to crack/leak. Blame whatever you'd like, but it's the age and condition of the seals, NOT the low sulfur fuel that's the problem. Most injection pump delivery valve O rings don't fail, but SOME will (only one of the 7 OM60x injection pumps I've owned have leaked - even fewer OM61x pumps seem to leak). I think it depends on how much contact the O ring seals have with the fuel - some really have minimal or NO contact as the metal/metal surfaces form a complete seal so the O ring never has any contact with the sulfur in the fuel. In other cases, the O rings are bathed in fuel and when the sulfur is removed, they shrink and leak. The O rings that have been available for more than a decade don't seem to have this problem. There were similar problems that occurred when engines run on older conventional oil blends were changed to synthetic oil. Mobil solved the problem by adding some group V oil that compensated for the removal of the seal swelling properties of the older conventional oil. That's why changing to Mobil 1 oil USUALLY results in slight to modest oil seal leaks being slowed or cured. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Hose identification and source needed! Boost Pressure Control Valve Hose?
I found a cracked/broken/split hose on my 1990 350SDL I'm tiring to get a replacement for. It runs from the front of the turbo assy to what looks like an air solenoid sitting directly below the EGR valve, in an L shape, 3 X 1 inches. ID about 1/4 inch. If I look at procedure 09-150, Removal and Installation of turbocharger, the dwg by step #6 shows the air solenoid right below the EGR valve. It's also shown plainly on the 1'st page of 09-050, Function of turbocharger, connected to the Boost Pressure control valve. My dealer, the web and Rusty have not been able to identify it; just say I should just use a piece of generic hose. Anyone got any ideas of what it's properly called, or a P/N so I can order one, or should I just grab the pieces and head for McParts? Thanks, Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532); 2070 Rt. 52; Hopewell Junction, N.Y. 12533
Re: [MBZ] is there rubber in the injection pump? seals? O-rings?
Actually, the AKP-Wagen was sold. What I am getting at, as you intuited, is biodiesel use, but in the 300SD and 300TD, not the sold W115 240D. I'm assuming, then, that pumps on a 617 and 603 are mechanically governed and not vacuum goverened? I do understand the difference in how they are lubed. Sorry for another stupid question... CM Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it is supposed to be topped up with motor oil, but if you drain it at the top up intervals, you will find the lube is mostly fuel. Most of them never saw oil after they left the factory, or at least after the OE sold them. They are capable of running tens or hundreds of thousands of miles without addition of motor oil, because the fuel displaces the oil and they are fuel lubed then. We are splitting hairs here. Theory, vs. real world. Technically it is oil lubed, but in practice, there is a lot of fuel in there. It is designed so that if the oil gets low, the chamber is filled with fuel. When ever I serviced the vacuum governed pump. i drained all the stuff in the IP case, then filled motor oil. Yes, if the jobs are followed religiously, and when they were new, maybe most of the lube is oil, but fuel does get in there, and if it is a type that eats seals, you could loose the main seal of a 30 yr old pump, and then very likely ruin the pump. now that they are all 30-40 years old, they are worn, and more fuel mixes with the oil. I am only wanting to put out a word of warning about putting snake oil in the tank. Do it as you wish guys, but be aware if you have a vacuum governed pump, don't be shocked if you have IP problems. Chris, since your AKP-Wagon is in sacrificial status, have a blast with anything that will go into the tank. In practice, the seal may NEVER fail, with any kind of homebrew. There is also a diaphragm in the vacuum governor that could be affected by non-standard fuels. IN theory, yes, fuel never touches the diaphragm. But every one I have been into has petroleum products of some form in the diaphragm chamber. ALL Bosch inline pumps have o-rings on the delivery valve body, even if it is on a Case tractor. Have fun experimenting, but don't be shocked if your pump fails. The mechanically governed pumps are less likely to have a fuel -induced problem, because of the active motor oil lube system At 03:00 PM 4/7/2006, you wrote: On Apr 7, 2006, at 2:53 PM, Loren Faeth wrote: My 66 engines are fuel lubricated. My 81 240D is engine lubed. Loren Aren't your earlier engines equipped with a pump that periodically needs to be filled with motor oil? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 07 21:59:12 2006 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com ([66.249.82.201]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRyz2-0006dM-Dc for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:59:12 + Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h26so365940wxd for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:59:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Jfon/dn7d5DIK8F+QMwCqKXkHL5iIwBZ2mny0jLWbZA6JlEFWmW9lcixcLyA+ChJKQ4IRkBSyqZlSIKQBp/2CPDbFxS/Br0SolEd6xDZtSnb0dDGO77K5oM7/lIzqzsZJdGoYMtdtf0J32CUsrD1NPAALl3lk15tWlI5A0Ro/rM= Received: by 10.70.99.4 with SMTP id w4mr3343463wxb; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.124.9 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:59:11 -0500 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you
Re: [MBZ] is there rubber in the injection pump? seals? O-rings?
Christopher McCann wrote: Actually, the AKP-Wagen was sold. What I am getting at, as you intuited, is biodiesel use, but in the 300SD and 300TD, not the sold W115 240D. I'm assuming, then, that pumps on a 617 and 603 are mechanically governed and not vacuum goverened? I do understand the difference in how they are lubed. Sorry for another stupid question... ALL of the Bosch inline pumps are expected to be lubricated with engine oil! Apparently SOME owners didn't know this (there is of course the suggestion that the maintenance booklet be read). I guess there are people that don't think you need to add or change engine oil too! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge
what's that you say -- WHAT I SAID, WHAT'S THAT YOU SAY, SONNY?
Damn kids, always playing around ...
;-)
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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- Original Message -
From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge
Maybe some dripped down into your ears when you were under there doing
the fluid drain? That could make things quieter!
--R
Marshall Booth wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim wrote (about Diesel Purge) - It was definitely more quiet
after
Speaking of becoming quieter, I changed the ATF and filter early this
week
(on the '91 300D) and could swear the car is quieter!
While I expect this when changing from fossil to synthetic engine oil,
the
change in sound level from fossil ATF to M1 ATF was unexpected.
Has anyone else experienced this (with the ATF change) or is it my
imagination/wishful thinking?
I've NEVER noticed any change in sound. My transmissions don't make any
detectable sound when the engine/driveline is properly supported by
their rubber mounts and couplings, but the transmission does shift more
smoothly - especially in cold weather.
Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Sunroof Wind noise.
Need this work done on my 300SDL. Did you use Indy or Dealership? MAy I pry and ask the cost, I understand the Angles are about $425 for the set. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 1987 300SDL 240KMI Sunroof FUBAR 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 190Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is!On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:51:50 -0400, you wrote: Hi, Had my sunroof rails and other assorted parts on my sunroof replaced and had the whole thing re-aligned. Works nice and crisp now, except.when closed and at highway speeds (75mph +) something starts to whistle (Leak air?) in the S/R. When I crack the window openthe noise/whistling goes away. Is there a fix, is something not adjusted properly? Where do I start looking? Thanks! Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532); 2070 Rt. 52; Hopewell Junction, N.Y. 12533 ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge
On Apr 7, 2006, at 5:03 PM, Marshall Booth wrote: You must NOT push the change interval when using Mobil 1 ATF. You need to change the fluid/filter at about the same interval as part of the purpose of the ATF/filter change is to remove the friction material debris (that will clog the filter). Even conventional ATF is seldom worn out when a change is required although it may be damaged or contaminated. The advantage of M-1 ATF is the much smoother shifting (and resulting longer friction material life) and more viscosity consistency with respect to temperature. Marshall It would be cost effective to save the fluid and change the filter. One of the reasons for using M1 ATF (or Amsoil in my case) is to reduce friction/wear. So theoretically there should be considerably less particles in the fluid. They both make claims of extended drain intervals. Once again, analysis of the fluid will tell all and should govern when fluid should be changed. I plan on running our 190D to 45,000 miles and send in a sample. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
[MBZ] Hood Shield Adhesive - need to remove residue of old one - for 91 300D Turbo 2.5
My new hood/heat pad arrived today and I spent most of 2 hours trying to
get the remains of the old pad off so I can glue the new one into place.
While much of the foam is gone now, there's still some adhesive left, as
well as some very short, hard foam.
Is there something that'll take the remainder off? I've tried an Adhesive
Remover we sell (worked pretty well but there;s residue), Acetone (did very
little) and blasted with high prrssure water to get rid of the bits and
pieces (worked) - I used a large weave scotch brite like pad with a handle
attached -
But there;s still some hard stuff (that I may leave) - and some foam which I
believe needs to come off.
Any suggestions?
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge
John Berryman wrote: It would be cost effective to save the fluid and change the filter. One of the reasons for using M1 ATF (or Amsoil in my case) is to reduce friction/wear. So theoretically there should be considerably less particles in the fluid. They both make claims of extended drain intervals. Once again, analysis of the fluid will tell all and should govern when fluid should be changed. I plan on running our 190D to 45,000 miles and send in a sample. I'll be eager to see how things work for you. I had found that shift quality started to deteriorate at 20-25kmi using conventional ATF and at about 30-35kmi using Mobil 1. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] 190D, fan clutch and other 190 questions
You're going to have a hard time getting that pot of boiling water above 100 -- -- it takes a pressurized environment to get it above 100 - like in an engine cooling system. I will say 105, without checking a manual. Throw it in a pot of water with a thermometer as if it were a thermostat hook your trusty multimeter to it and see where it shows 0 resistance while it heats up. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
