Re: [MBZ] Diesel injector return hose
Zeitgeist wrote: FWIW, I finally got tired of monkeying around with stock return lines that never seemed to last more than a year with bio, and splurged for the viton stuff. Ordered 10 feet from this site for $3.22/ft. http://www.mcmaster.com/asp/enter.asp?partnum=5119K111+ Let us know how well it works after a year or two. What size did you select? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Torque for delivery valve holder
On Wed, 17 May 2006, Loren Faeth wrote: 7x 603 078 01 41 (Injection pipe clips) 7x 601 078 26 41 (Injection pipe shims--trim them on one side) 2x 601 078 26 41 (Injection pipe clips) 1x 606 141 01 80 (Intake manifold gasket) 6x 017 997 41 48 (Bosch 1-460-210-321 O-ring, you may want spares) 6x 004 997 45 40 (Bosch 1-410-105-021 Copper seal washer) This was for a 606, but the orings and seals are the same on 601,2,3 The gasket is NOT the same on a 603; the 606 is a 4V/cyl and has 12 ports. It is probably MUCH less of a PITA to do on a 603 than a 606- you may not have to remove the manifold to get at the valves-- the 606 has them under the manifold -j.
Re: [MBZ] Diesel injector return hose
On Wed, 17 May 2006, Marshall Booth wrote: Zeitgeist wrote: http://www.mcmaster.com/asp/enter.asp?partnum=5119K111+ That looks like 1/8 viton .. 3.175mm.. sounds close enough. What about abrasion resistance? How much pressure do those lines see-- it is gravity rated only. (and also not bend radius rated) BTW it is almost impossible to clamp anything on the barbs of a 606 injector since they sit pretty far down in a hole (You really DO want the crowsfoot to remove the union nuts from them.) .. It is also 3.22/ft -j.
[MBZ] Almost too good...
Did you ever get nervous because things seem too good? Pulled an oil sample today, thanks again to Larry for his excellent oil analysis kits. Maybe if I keep talking up these awesome kits he'll give me $1 off or something. LOL, just kidding Larry! Anyway even after pulling the pittance needed for analysis (half pint?) my 190D needed no makeup oil it was just under the halfway point between fill and max. This is after 5000 miles. The previous owner told me it would leak a quart in 5000 miles. I replaced the leaking (obviously leaking) oil cap seal but nothing else. I think I've got a tire thats bad, theres an occasional steering wobble I can't otherwise explain. New tires on the pickup this week, car next week. Other than that things seem good, which makes me nervous. -Curt '85 190D Dory 239kmi - Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed May 17 23:40:32 2006 Received: from web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.44]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FgVd0-0003U0-5E for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 17 May 2006 23:40:32 + Received: (qmail 91407 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2006 23:40:24 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2FWArI6wUbINEE7rN9v8MyAisRLRnUg8Z1+biDRuiMtMipROiksNkW4rlIfvwGJXCwIMGYqRmJqeMZu4M5ZIit2phLYFl9HOtI8nsmgjPq2QSaiAWgVyVaFMyJp5lo2WxIHxUBPhe94lEjbPCDGzeRl1Mc2pIH9Z8EGbLOxt62k= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [71.232.75.128] by web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 16:40:24 PDT Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:40:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] jumper cables X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 23:40:33 - I was thinking fair to middling until I checked Harbor Freight and found they've got 8ga 12ft for $15. So I'm thinking while they're probably too long its probably a pretty good deal depending on what the clamps are like. -Curt Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:56:37 -0400 From: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] jumper cables To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 20' 4 gauge. $10, sound like a deal? -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work - Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed May 17 23:42:29 2006 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.169]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FgVev-0003Yz-D0 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 17 May 2006 23:42:29 + Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u40so390392ugc for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 17 May 2006 16:42:25 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cWRFQZQP4jyi7WmlSsVYKep4vDMtMOIil7iofESFuCFOFrRRNbknoiTI9j3VFfUcXwQrW3UrCtYKyPAN29YfcAm3OMtqQgAwYLerv7BgHB491mIF8WvPf7n8H1JobqqV3GJvVBuOVIfEoeKzWegdt9gomSK4lE8k2H8pODzk2XE= Received: by 10.78.21.7 with SMTP id 7mr318658huu; Wed, 17 May 2006 16:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.42.12 with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 16:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:42:25 -0400 From: Bob DuPuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re:
Re: [MBZ] The wave
Global warming is fixing that, I was riding in November last year without even putting the liner back in my coat. Of course I was riding a couple weeks ago too but with 10 straight days of rain... Now I'm gunshy, it didn't rain really today just a slight mist but it could have... -Curt Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:05:23 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] The wave To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original SO...what is the bike riding season in Maine? About 3 weeks? (har de har har) Bob Rentfro - Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed May 17 23:45:48 2006 Received: from pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([207.69.195.67]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FgVi7-0003uf-TA for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 17 May 2006 23:45:47 + Received: from user-11far1r.dsl.mindspring.com ([66.245.108.59] helo=Bill) by pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FgVi3-0001DE-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:45:43 -0400 From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:45:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thread-index: AcZ6C0D6tnvpi2ZmSg+uQFMfHQKqTAAAGVyA Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Almost too good... X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 23:45:48 - Curt - I had an occasional steering wobble on my SD - only felt it at highway speeds with a mild left curve. Finally the tires stopped in the right spot so that I could see a flat spot developing. Changing the tires took care of it. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD EM 275k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:37 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] Almost too good... Did you ever get nervous because things seem too good? Pulled an oil sample today, thanks again to Larry for his excellent oil analysis kits. Maybe if I keep talking up these awesome kits he'll give me $1 off or something. LOL, just kidding Larry! Anyway even after pulling the pittance needed for analysis (half pint?) my 190D needed no makeup oil it was just under the halfway point between fill and max. This is after 5000 miles. The previous owner told me it would leak a quart in 5000 miles. I replaced the leaking (obviously leaking) oil cap seal but nothing else. I think I've got a tire thats bad, theres an occasional steering wobble I can't otherwise explain. New tires on the pickup this week, car next week. Other than that things seem good, which makes me nervous. -Curt '85 190D Dory 239kmi - Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] The wave
Probably a real Harley rider on drugs:) Or perhaps he was trying to be your friend, you get all sorts on Harleys. Once saw a bloke on a HD wearing what appeared to be Gucci loafers. Hendrik who always wore good footwear when riding - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The wave The Kawi does look somewhat like a small Sportster http://flmltuweb1.business.latrobe.edu.au/faculty/sinman/ltd_vs_corvette.htm I expect the guy wasn't a real Harley guy. A real Harley guy would have wondered why the hell I was wearing a Kevlar Joe Rocket coat and pants and a full face helmet never mind having a liquid cooled engine with the cylinders in the wrong configuration... -Curt Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:33:10 -0500 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] The wave To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Phew! Good stuff! Lots of perspectives. That was truly funny that that Harley rider mistook the Kawi for one. It's like how? In terms of mistaking, it's getting harder to tell a Harley from a Euro bike because they have been trying to hard to emulate (though this may be dying back now). But some of the Japanese bike makers have actually de-designed their engines, going to a pushrod config. just to achieve that Harley sound. Sometimes they actually fool me audibly from a distance these days. Brian 83 240D 92 Sportster Deluxe - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 11/05/2006
Re: [MBZ] cruise control amp
transistors. Schematics are very scarce - Mercedes doesn't supply them to anyone. But they _are_ available, at least until the mid 80's. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Almost too good...
Thanks, Curt! I always appreciate kind words!
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From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:37 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Almost too good...
Did you ever get nervous because things seem too good?
Pulled an oil sample today, thanks again to Larry for his excellent oil
analysis kits. Maybe if I keep talking up these awesome kits he'll give me
$1 off or something. LOL, just kidding Larry!
Anyway even after pulling the pittance needed for analysis (half pint?)
my 190D needed no makeup oil it was just under the halfway point between
fill and max. This is after 5000 miles. The previous owner told me it
would leak a quart in 5000 miles. I replaced the leaking (obviously
leaking) oil cap seal but nothing else.
I think I've got a tire thats bad, theres an occasional steering wobble I
can't otherwise explain. New tires on the pickup this week, car next week.
Other than that things seem good, which makes me nervous.
-Curt
'85 190D Dory 239kmi
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Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just
radically better.
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Re: [MBZ] Parts suppliers
Here are the manufacturers of a few major components: Brake system - ATE or Bendix Cooling system - Behr Fuel system - Bosch Radio - Becker Climate Control - Behr This is a little out of date. Now, add: Brakes/Lucas Radiator/Valeo Fuel controls/Siemens Radio/unlabeled Wiring/some italian outfit RLE
Re: [MBZ] tire prices
I bought Yokohama tires for my LandCruiser at Tire Rack(good prices, no sales tax) and had them installed at a new Super WalMart(new balancing machines) with lifetime balance and rotation for $7.95/tire(I think they have since stopped doing this for tires not purchased at WM) and watched through the window as the tech used a torque wrench to tighten the lug bolts.. I have been buying from Discount Tire at TireRack prices (just ask) which means no mounting charges (I do pay for balancing) and includes lifetime balancing and flat repairs. And local warranty service. They do add on a fee to approximate the freight charge I would have had to pay if I bought from TireRack. TireRack, now the country's largest tire retailer, pretty much sets the prices for every tire store. If you are smart enough to ask. RLE
Re: [MBZ] Torque for delivery valve holder
You are right, The clips and gasket have no bearing. I copied the whole list from John's earlier post when he did his 606. The 82 617 should have the newer style pump, because my 81 240D does. (not vacuum governor) I am not sure if the delivery valves are hex or serrated. Either way, the o-ring and copper seal number should be the same. I believe they are the same back to the OM 621 engine at least, and that is 1960 or so. The mechanical governor pumps are all essentially the same in the delivery valve area. Loren first OM 621 in 1971 At 06:42 PM 5/17/2006, you wrote: Geez guys catch your breath, Bruce was asking about an 82 300CD. last time I check they came with the 5 cyl 617 engine! I remember a copper seal but not an O-ring on those. I wish I was an EPC Guru and could check for sure. Bob DuPuy On 5/17/06, John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 17 May 2006, Loren Faeth wrote: 7x 603 078 01 41 (Injection pipe clips) 7x 601 078 26 41 (Injection pipe shims--trim them on one side) 2x 601 078 26 41 (Injection pipe clips) 1x 606 141 01 80 (Intake manifold gasket) 6x 017 997 41 48 (Bosch 1-460-210-321 O-ring, you may want spares) 6x 004 997 45 40 (Bosch 1-410-105-021 Copper seal washer) This was for a 606, but the orings and seals are the same on 601,2,3 The gasket is NOT the same on a 603; the 606 is a 4V/cyl and has 12 ports. It is probably MUCH less of a PITA to do on a 603 than a 606- you may not have to remove the manifold to get at the valves-- the 606 has them under the manifold -j. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD torque, horsepower and weight specs
I have HP in the owners manual: 143 @ 4600rpm...but none of the other specshelp! Thanks, Chris Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: Anyone have this on hand or know where I can find it? YES! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1987 300TD, 245K km, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 343K km, Wulf -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, One Banger Mercedes Dieselauto - Leistung wird mit dem Kilometerzähler gemessen. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu May 18 02:35:06 2006 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([63.240.77.82]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FgYLy-0002cf-K5 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 18 May 2006 02:35:06 + Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-24-3-195-27.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[24.3.195.27]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id 20060518023500012006dopme; Thu, 18 May 2006 02:35:00 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:34:59 -0400 From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD torque, horsepower and weight specs X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 02:35:07 - Christopher McCann wrote: I have HP in the owners manual: 143 @ 4600rpm...but none of the other specshelp! Thanks, Chris Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: Anyone have this on hand or know where I can find it? YES! Marshall The hp was 143 with a trap installed, [EMAIL PROTECTED] rpm without the trap. Torque was 195 [EMAIL PROTECTED] with trap and 201 when the trap's removed. Weight 3641 lb. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
[MBZ] DIY tire repair
I bought Harbor freight and JC Whitney equipment, a few patch supplies and I now do my own. After experiencing the same kind of bad things I hear about and read on these lists, I am giving it a try. Actually, even though its grunt work, I get real satisfaction from doing a quality repair. I first use soapy water to find and mark the leaks, do a quick clean, dismount the tire, do an inside inspection with a spreader, wire brush the rim, patch from the inside with a mushroom patch, remount, apply bead seal, air it up, check for leaks, balance and reinstall with proper torque The first one took me two hours but I've cut that in half. Anyone out there that can share knowledge and experience with me? Harry Watkins Newton, MS 86 SDL Silver 85 300D Euro 86 SDL Gold 81 240D manual trans
Re: [MBZ] Parts suppliers
My seats have a Recaro label on them! It's hidden underneath a side panel nearest the door. Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD
Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD torque, horsepower and weight specs
SoMine has the old trap removed, but replaced with the new oxidizing catalyst...does that mean I use the higher trap removed numbers, or the lower with trap numbers...or will it fall somewhere in between...or is it unknown? Chris Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: I have HP in the owners manual: 143 @ 4600rpm...but none of the other specshelp! Thanks, Chris Marshall Booth wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: Anyone have this on hand or know where I can find it? YES! Marshall The hp was 143 with a trap installed, [EMAIL PROTECTED] rpm without the trap. Torque was 195 [EMAIL PROTECTED] with trap and 201 when the trap's removed. Weight 3641 lb. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1987 300TD, 245K km, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 343K km, Wulf -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, One Banger Mercedes Dieselauto - Leistung wird mit dem Kilometerzähler gemessen. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu May 18 02:58:25 2006 Received: from pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([207.69.195.69]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FgYiX-0004hu-Py for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 18 May 2006 02:58:25 + Received: from dialup-4.224.39.49.dial1.cincinnati1.level3.net ([4.224.39.49]) by pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FgYiS-BU-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 17 May 2006 22:58:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 21:57:09 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Torque for delivery valve holder X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 02:58:25 - The 0-ring goes on the delivery valve holder, and seals the upper feed chamber in the pump. when they go bad, the pump leaks fuel around the delivery valve holders. The copper seal is inside (on top of the valve body on the 60x pumps, under it on some others). The copper ring seals the delivery valve/injection line interface, and if it leaks it will leak back into the fill chamber, not externally. That leak will cause late (or no) injection at idle, as the pressure in the line falls off well below the pop pressure. Peter
Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD torque, horsepower and weight specs
Christopher McCann wrote: SoMine has the old trap removed, but replaced with the new oxidizing catalyst...does that mean I use the higher trap removed numbers, or the lower with trap numbers...or will it fall somewhere in between...or is it unknown? DOES YOUR CAR HAVE A TRAP? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] jumper cables
I was thinking the same. 10' 4 gauge will work pretty well. On Wed, 17 May 2006 20:01:01 -0500, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it's 20ft of 4 gauge, cut them in half, buy an extra set of clamps, and make two sets of cables. On 5/17/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 12 ft won't be too long if you have to jump side to side, where one car isn't completely accessible (add to that during a snowstorm, on icy terrain where you have to be unheroic in getting the two cars close -- voice of experience here, from Feb 2006) :-0. Cheers Mac -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
[MBZ] Shudder upon shutoff
Does the shaking that the diesel engine does upon shutoff cause motor mounts to wear out more quickly than in a gas engined car? I wonder about this every time I shut off the engine. It would seem that it has to put a considerable strain on things. Perhaps the mounts are designed to take it? I am talking about my 83 240D and like vehicles. Those who don't appreciate such a simple question, simply delete, please. Brian 83 240D excerpt from Edmunds.com review of E300 CDI Perhaps the most obvious sign that there was a diesel under the hood was an occasional shudder when the engine was shut off.
Re: [MBZ] Shudder upon shutoff
None of mine shudder much unless the mounts are bad -- the 300D thumped horribly until I got both mounts in, then it was very smooth. The 220D and my brother's 75 300D both shut down nicely, but then they both have new mounts. Check yours -- the rubber should be significantly higher than the steel cup -- if not, replace. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Torque for delivery valve holder
You're quite right, Bob - this list can be a real hoot. If you go deep enough into Bruce's pump to find an o-ring the pump's prolly due for a trip to the test stand for recalibration. The copper seal for that pump is 005 997 45 48 and the proper torque is *40-50 Nm on the pipe connection in one step*, unless there's been a tsb radically revising that procedure to something approximating what's appropriate for an OM603 pump for which btw the appropriate final torque is something more like 27 ft-lb than 30 (at least I think that's right, but I'm miles from home and without my trusty tdm). But then what's a margin of error of 10% more or less, between friends... ;( joe (shaking head)
Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD torque, horsepower and weight specs
no. OK, got it. Danke! Chris Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: SoMine has the old trap removed, but replaced with the new oxidizing catalyst...does that mean I use the higher trap removed numbers, or the lower with trap numbers...or will it fall somewhere in between...or is it unknown? DOES YOUR CAR HAVE A TRAP? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1987 300TD, 245K km, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 343K km, Wulf -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, One Banger Mercedes Dieselauto - Leistung wird mit dem Kilometerzähler gemessen. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu May 18 03:52:39 2006 Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com ([66.249.82.204]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FgZZ1-0001Lw-Cq for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 18 May 2006 03:52:39 + Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s9so87986wxc for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 17 May 2006 20:52:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sCXrYLCWnfjtbyB+E4GL4najvWkzjXyY3wIsP3fUs7cGMUWj5hILFYfnYxNfzARC8TLWAACod1G1cF6qycr8pHj7OzbMV/N9EWbsd5P100n6CEivrMpit1XrZHwLyHQMDXc90MSCRgS3MX5QEooALyR4sUNrnddqH/ZCdt46Rko= Received: by 10.70.89.5 with SMTP id m5mr101164wxb; Wed, 17 May 2006 20:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.122.14 with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 20:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:52:39 -0500 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Shudder upon shutoff X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 03:52:39 - I think the mini shocks by the motor mounts help to control shudder. A shutoff valve that is starting to leak might also causes a shudder - the fuel isn't cut off quickly. On 5/17/06, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of mine shudder much unless the mounts are bad -- the 300D thumped horribly until I got both mounts in, then it was very smooth. The 220D and my brother's 75 300D both shut down nicely, but then they both have new mounts. Check yours -- the rubber should be significantly higher than the steel cup -- if not, replace. Peter --=20 OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Discount tires on-line
I thought that most shops had moved beyond using impact wrenches on wheels. But maybe that's just what they tell you if you ask. I bought some Fuzion tires from TireRack. Just wanted to save money. No complaints yet. Supposedly from the makers of Bridgestone. I only have some 5k mi. on them yet though. I had a hard time finding a place that would mount someone else's tires - especially for a decent price. A few places said they had a higher rate for doing tires they did not sell you. Of course, a few places gave me a different story each time I'd call. That is disturbing. The good news is that I found a nice source for inexpensive moutning/balancing. This will only help those of us in rural regions. The Farm and Fleet store. Here, it's called Fleet Farm. Of course, I imagine that they'd not be too sensitive to tourquing things properly. I didn't wind up using them, as I had an exhaust pipe fall off (not talking about the Mercedes) and thus had to take it in to Midas - they mounted the tires there. Brian On 5/17/06, P. D. Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought Yokohama tires for my LandCruiser at Tire Rack(good prices, no sales tax) and had them installed at a new Super WalMart(new balancing machines) with lifetime balance and rotation for $7.95/tire(I think they have since stopped doing this for tires not purchased at WM) and watched through the window as the tech used a torque wrench to tighten the lug bolts. Peter Ferguson 1983 300TD - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Discount tires on-line I was surprised and pleased that the Sam's Club Michelins I bought for EM were finished with a torque wrench. Don't know about other places as I have only bought there for years. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD EM 275K with new and clear front and rear windshields. Almost 10 miles before the first rock hit the window. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Discount tires on-line Since I don't want the wheels tightened with an impact wrench - I takes the wheels (all 4) off and take them to the shop for new tires. They don't have a clue which car they'er going on. Most will ask - so tell them one that takes the tires you're buying. On 5/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Discount Tires has a good selection and prices -- I have a question though - was in our local Costco and the guy there said they are only allowed to install the size specified by the manufacturer as the original size. I have to go back for something else but will stop in the tire dept and ask if that a store policy or a state mandate. Has anyone run into this? The www.discountire.com website offers several tire size options. Also, they seem to like Falken Tires - has anyone tried these? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 5/15/2006 ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] tire prices
Very good tip. Brian On 5/17/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought Yokohama tires for my LandCruiser at Tire Rack(good prices, no sales tax) and had them installed at a new Super WalMart(new balancing machines) with lifetime balance and rotation for $7.95/tire(I think they have since stopped doing this for tires not purchased at WM) and watched through the window as the tech used a torque wrench to tighten the lug bolts.. I have been buying from Discount Tire at TireRack prices (just ask) which means no mounting charges (I do pay for balancing) and includes lifetime balancing and flat repairs. And local warranty service. They do add on a fee to approximate the freight charge I would have had to pay if I bought from TireRack. TireRack, now the country's largest tire retailer, pretty much sets the prices for every tire store. If you are smart enough to ask. RLE ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Discount tires on-line
Brian, Don't trust Midas If you haven't done so, loosen each lug bolt and retorque to the proper ft/lbs or lbs/ft (whichever) I think 80-85 is recommended. Wiser minds will probably chime in Some shops will use torque bars on their impact wrenches that (I'm told) apply proper torque to the lugs. Never trusted them and always requested the good old manual torque wrench.. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On May 17, 2006, at 9:37 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: I thought that most shops had moved beyond using impact wrenches on wheels. But maybe that's just what they tell you if you ask. I bought some Fuzion tires from TireRack. Just wanted to save money. No complaints yet. Supposedly from the makers of Bridgestone. I only have some 5k mi. on them yet though. I had a hard time finding a place that would mount someone else's tires - especially for a decent price. A few places said they had a higher rate for doing tires they did not sell you. Of course, a few places gave me a different story each time I'd call. That is disturbing. The good news is that I found a nice source for inexpensive moutning/balancing. This will only help those of us in rural regions. The Farm and Fleet store. Here, it's called Fleet Farm. Of course, I imagine that they'd not be too sensitive to tourquing things properly. I didn't wind up using them, as I had an exhaust pipe fall off (not talking about the Mercedes) and thus had to take it in to Midas - they mounted the tires there. Brian On 5/17/06, P. D. Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought Yokohama tires for my LandCruiser at Tire Rack(good prices, no sales tax) and had them installed at a new Super WalMart (new balancing machines) with lifetime balance and rotation for $7.95/ tire(I think they have since stopped doing this for tires not purchased at WM) and watched through the window as the tech used a torque wrench to tighten the lug bolts. Peter Ferguson 1983 300TD - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Discount tires on-line I was surprised and pleased that the Sam's Club Michelins I bought for EM were finished with a torque wrench. Don't know about other places as I have only bought there for years. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD EM 275K with new and clear front and rear windshields. Almost 10 miles before the first rock hit the window. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Discount tires on-line Since I don't want the wheels tightened with an impact wrench - I takes the wheels (all 4) off and take them to the shop for new tires. They don't have a clue which car they'er going on. Most will ask - so tell them one that takes the tires you're buying. On 5/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Discount Tires has a good selection and prices -- I have a question though - was in our local Costco and the guy there said they are only allowed to install the size specified by the manufacturer as the original size. I have to go back for something else but will stop in the tire dept and ask if that a store policy or a state mandate. Has anyone run into this? The www.discountire.com website offers several tire size options. Also, they seem to like Falken Tires - has anyone tried these? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http:// www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 5/15/2006 ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To
[MBZ] 1987 300D turbo timing chain replacement questions....
I asked for a bid from my local Mercedes dealer (Yakima, WA) to replace the timing chain in my 1987 300D turbo, 300K miles. The first response I got was that it was not needed unless the timing chain was making lots of noise. I then told him, that as far as I knew, I should replace it because of the high mileage, that I didn't want to risk destroying the engine in case of failure. I asked for an estimate, and after 3 or 4 phone calls and 2 days time, he finally gave me one. He then, changed his story, telling me because of my mileage, I needed to change all the gears, sprocket, and related parts. The price of the parts was going to be $1200, and the labor was going to be $800. He then went on to tell me that all the years he had been with the dealership (he is the service manager, and has been there a long time) he has only known of 2 or 3 such replacements. I told him, well, I guess I won't be needing the work done, as, I surely was not going to be taking my car here. What I'm asking, is, would it be difficult for me to change the timing chain myself? I am somewhat mechanically inclined, and could take the car to a different shop to do the fine tuning of the timing and fuel pump. Is there any valve work that I should also consider while doing this? I have all the shop manuals for the car. Anyone know of other good shops in the Yakima, Washington area that I could trust working on my 300D? Your help would be greatly appreciated, Richard Fine 1987 300D turbo From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu May 18 05:16:42 2006 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.176]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FgasM-0002jF-7e for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 18 May 2006 05:16:42 + Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id 57so539140pya for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 17 May 2006 22:16:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s¾ta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ahppdXeyM+FhUxjGDis9G/7LOvWKCWcp0fDQbH0e392f7uambCjwuJok9WcxwYfufhzGDEP1lYoA8aAv1bQfE5uRF6PfFy97XjVNTx9gXZAAaeC7LQ1tDjX7wzxUDtU+NMvbiv0Db5YTo3KXRNJ9+LigYqx3SwAKdzX92/gvr6sReceived: by 10.35.107.20 with SMTP id j20mr148249pym; Wed, 17 May 2006 22:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.49.3 with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 22:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 00:16:40 -0500 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Discount tires on-line X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 05:16:42 - Thanks. As a follow-up, I wanted to ask the list: Does having the traditional tap-on style wheel weights on the outside of your allow wheels bother you at all? It really bothers me. I mean, you have this nice slick alloy wheel with this crude weight tacked onto it. I notice this when I look at a vehicle and I dislike it. Years ago I had Discount Tire use tape-weights on my Cragar Drag Stars for my old Dodge. They have not come off in over ten years. However these days, every place I've asked about them has told me no, you shouldn't mess with those. Brian 83 240D On 5/17/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, Don't trust Midas If you haven't done so, loosen each lug bolt and retorque to the proper ft/lbs or lbs/ft (whichever) I think 80-85 is recommended. Wiser minds will probably chime in Some shops will use torque bars on their impact wrenches that (I'm told) apply proper torque to the lugs. Never trusted them and always requested the good old manual torque wrench.. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On May 17, 2006, at 9:37 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: I thought that most shops had moved beyond using impact wrenches on wheels. But maybe that's just what they tell you if you ask. I bought some Fuzion tires from TireRack. Just wanted to save money. No complaints yet. Supposedly from the
[MBZ] OT: Calling our man in Mexico ...
One of the list subscribers has mentioned that he lives in Mexico. This evening, I ran across http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MEXICO_VOTE_OF_FEAR?SITE=APSECTION=HOMETEMPLATE=DEFAULTCTIME=2006-05-17-06-12-44 which paints a pretty bleak picture of things down there. Is this an accurate picture? Thanks, Craig
Re: [MBZ] Glove box latch adjust
Actually, it didn't feel like it was adjustable, rather it felt like I forced it. So just wondering out of my sense of curiosity. Brian 83 240D I'm pleased you mentioned it. I've fiddled endlessly with the hinges on my glovebox, moving them in and out to get the confounded door to shut flush with the dashboard. Fat chance. But here's a question. What's the tool called which fits the slotted nuts of the hinge on a W123 300TD's glovebox door? Euan Christchurch NZ 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 200K mi
Re: [MBZ] Glove box latch adjust
You know, I didn't think to try to adjust the hinges. I just thought to adjust the latch. I will look into that. Euan, you have a 5 speed, manual transmission wagon? That's a nice automobile. Brian 83 240D On 5/18/06, Euan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, it didn't feel like it was adjustable, rather it felt like I forced it. So just wondering out of my sense of curiosity. Brian 83 240D I'm pleased you mentioned it. I've fiddled endlessly with the hinges on my glovebox, moving them in and out to get the confounded door to shut flush with the dashboard. Fat chance. But here's a question. What's the tool called which fits the slotted nuts of the hinge on a W123 300TD's glovebox door? Euan Christchurch NZ 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 200K mi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Puzzeling Engine Diagonis Results
Furthur investigation reveals that sometime at idle #1 ( the low compresion cyl ) injector hammers . This is consistant with a low compresion cyl ( according to the troubleshooting guide for my 180D ). At higher engine speed the nailing disappears. I would like to avoid actioning the cyl head removal etc at this point unless furthur damahe is likely to result. Any comments on possible long term damage. Peter Merle 300GD 1981 300GD 1982 300D 1979 180D 1958 -Original Message- From: Marshall Booth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 May 2006 07:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Puzzeling Engine Diagonis Results Peter Merle wrote: Agreed , that is still an outstanding thing I have to do. I might do a leakdown evaluation my making a home made tool. BTW OM617 non turbo heads - do the crack and if so is there a common place where they do , are there any typical symptoms? Cracked heads ARE possible, but VERY rare. There will be at least 10-20 blown head gaskets (and blown head gaskets are rare as well) to every cracked head. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] anyone need 240D parts?
Tomorrow, I'm going to look at a manny tranny 1983 240D that's been run out of oil. I'm interested in the tires/wheels and the headlight doors, but will most likely part the rest out or sell it whole. It's complete, red (other than one silver door), with beige interior. If you're interested in any parts, let me know. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela
Re: [MBZ] Rear brake part 2
Neal - Along the same line of thought as Jim, how about measuring the OD of the new rotor. Could it possibly be too great of a diameter and sometimes under the right conditions be rubbing inside the caliper? Barry after the rotors were replaced, this noise appeared. Well, just reading the above I'd say you have defective rotors, or the wrong ones.
Re: [MBZ] Torque for delivery valve holder
On Wed, 17 May 2006, Bob DuPuy wrote: Geez guys catch your breath, Bruce was asking about an 82 300CD. last time I check they came with the 5 cyl 617 engine! I remember a copper seal but not an O-ring on those. I wish I was an EPC Guru and could check for sure. OOOPS. Sorry. The 61x's use an ordinary socket (as opposed to the 33 tooth spline don't mess with this fitting). IIRC it is 15mm, and 40-50Nm in one step, copper crush ring only, no o-ring. Go check out http://mb.braingears.com/123_DISK2/program/Engine/617/07_1-210.pdf for the full skinny. I don't have the part number handy, but Rusty will probably know them off the top of his head :) -j.
Re: [MBZ] Diesel injector return hose
On Wed, 17 May 2006, Zeitgeist wrote: I got the tip from some folks over at MB-Shop. Apparently they've been running it for over a year with no problems. I just got tired of these things wearing out every year when running bio. Hell, even with straight dino they don't last that long. Late last year I ruined my nearly new hoodliner when one (1 year old) line blew clear off on my way up to Everett. I quite frankly don't want to deal with that sorta thing again, especially when I'm wearing my business (monkey) suit. Cool. Then when mine go after this replacement, I will look at that stuff. That sounds like no fun (on the hoodliner)... The 606 encapsulation panel is plastic and secured by 8x socket head screws that heed a 5mm hex key... makes it a little inconvenient to check the hoses on it... but it also keeps spray contained. you need to do the vent on full, compressor and filter off nose near vent test with the engine HOT if you don't have any tools on you. -j.
Re: [MBZ] Shudder upon shutoff
Zoltan Finks wrote: Does the shaking that the diesel engine does upon shutoff cause motor mounts to wear out more quickly than in a gas engined car? I wonder about this every time I shut off the engine. It would seem that it has to put a considerable strain on things. Perhaps the mounts are designed to take it? I am talking about my 83 240D and like vehicles. Those who don't appreciate such a simple question, simply delete, please. Brian 83 240D excerpt from Edmunds.com review of E300 CDI Perhaps the most obvious sign that there was a diesel under the hood was an occasional shudder when the engine was shut off. One solution is to NEVER turn the car off! Those who don't appreciate such a simple answer, simply delete please. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] 1987 300D turbo timing chain replacement questions....
RICHARD FIne wrote: I asked for a bid from my local Mercedes dealer (Yakima, WA) to replace the timing chain in my 1987 300D turbo, 300K miles. The first response I got was that it was not needed unless the timing chain was making lots of noise. I then told him, that as far as I knew, I should replace it because of the high mileage, that I didn't want to risk destroying the engine in case of failure. I asked for an estimate, and after 3 or 4 phone calls and 2 days time, he finally gave me one. He then, changed his story, telling me because of my mileage, I needed to change all the gears, sprocket, and related parts. The price of the parts was going to be $1200, and the labor was going to be $800. He then went on to tell me that all the years he had been with the dealership (he is the service manager, and has been there a long time) he has only known of 2 or 3 such replacements. I told him, well, I guess I won't be needing the work done, as, I surely was not going to be taking my car here. What I'm asking, is, would it be difficult for me to change the timing chain myself? I am somewhat mechanically inclined, and could take the car to a different shop to do the fine tuning of the timing and fuel pump. Is there any valve work that I should also consider while doing this? I have all the shop manuals for the car. Anyone know of other good shops in the Yakima, Washington area that I could trust working on my 300D? Has anyone bothered to MEASURE the chain stretch? Takes about 1/2 hour. Maybe half that if the lower pan is off for any other reason. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Puzzeling Engine Diagonis Results
Peter Merle wrote: Furthur investigation reveals that sometime at idle #1 ( the low compresion cyl ) injector hammers . This is consistant with a low compresion cyl ( according to the troubleshooting guide for my 180D ). At higher engine speed the nailing disappears. I would like to avoid actioning the cyl head removal etc at this point unless furthur damahe is likely to result. Any comments on possible long term damage. Any cause of incomplete combustion is consistent with the low compression (as carbon builds up in the rings). Check of valve adjustment is essential before any compression check can have ANY meaning. There is almost NO diagnostic value to notice that one cylinder hammers as there can be almost a dozen possible causes off that. A perfectly running engine with just a little fleck or two of loose carbon rattling around can sound worse than an engine about to throw a rod. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
[MBZ] Exotics-seriouswheels.com
Very interesting exotic car page, just the page of M's includes lots and lots of MBZ and Maybach content, very nice article on the C111. Interesting to see that a 2005 Marcos still looks a lot like a 1970 Marcos, but now weighs over 2000lb and has a 350 Chevy. Pic of the only four wheel Messerschmitt I've ever seen, I thought the Messerschmitt bubble cars were all trikes. http://www.seriouswheels.com/cars-m.htm
Re: [MBZ] Rear brake part 2
Barry, Both rotors were replaced at the same time and only the left has been a problem. Last night I switched rotors and on my ususal drive to work got the same results on the left side. I dropped the car at my local shop and asked for someone to give it drive until they hear the noise. Maybe if someone else with more experience hears it they will be able to narrow down the problem Neal Barry Stark wrote: Neal - Along the same line of thought as Jim, how about measuring the OD of the new rotor. Could it possibly be too great of a diameter and sometimes under the right conditions be rubbing inside the caliper? Barry after the rotors were replaced, this noise appeared. Well, just reading the above I'd say you have defective rotors, or the wrong ones. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] anyone need 240D parts?
(other than one silver door), with beige interior. If you're interested in any parts, let me know. If inexpensive enough, the missing AC parts for our never-left-home teenager of a 240D are suddenly a lot more interesting than they were. Yesterday I recharged the AC on a couple of our daily drivers. They have slow leaks, the recharging is an annual rite. About $7 each. 90+degree temps in May? Two weeks ago I was still building heating fires. Unbelievable. If it [Albatross] stays with us long enough and the U-Pull coughs up a donor it may get fixed anyway. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Puzzeling Engine Diagonis Results
Here are a couple of diagnostic tests to help you. #1 Determine which cylinder is missing at idle by cracking open the injector lines. #2 Do your valve adjustment, look at cam to make sure lobes are good. #3 Do compression check. #4 Squirt ATF in cylinder then spin over to get excess out. #5 do compression check again (ones that came up to normal will have worn/stuck/carboned ring. #6 If compression is low on missing cylinder and came up with oil, then swap injectors with known good cylinder. Drive for a day or two and see if miss moved, if so get a new injector. #7 If after injector swap your miss is still with same cylinder and compression is still low then you need a rebuild. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Merle Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:48 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Puzzeling Engine Diagonis Results Furthur investigation reveals that sometime at idle #1 ( the low compresion cyl ) injector hammers . This is consistant with a low compresion cyl ( according to the troubleshooting guide for my 180D ). At higher engine speed the nailing disappears. I would like to avoid actioning the cyl head removal etc at this point unless furthur damahe is likely to result. Any comments on possible long term damage. Peter Merle 300GD 1981 300GD 1982 300D 1979 180D 1958 -Original Message- From: Marshall Booth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 May 2006 07:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Puzzeling Engine Diagonis Results Peter Merle wrote: Agreed , that is still an outstanding thing I have to do. I might do a leakdown evaluation my making a home made tool. BTW OM617 non turbo heads - do the crack and if so is there a common place where they do , are there any typical symptoms? Cracked heads ARE possible, but VERY rare. There will be at least 10-20 blown head gaskets (and blown head gaskets are rare as well) to every cracked head. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] The wave
On May 17, 2006, at 10:03 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: While I guess the basic premise there will tend to be correct in more urban areas maybe in places with a large blue collar population I think you'll find nearly as many drunks falling off Harleys and going splat with no helmet or with just a little brainbucket. Besides which that discussion is also largely an oversimplification. Now that I've been riding for a few years several of my friends have asked me When are you going to move up to a Harley? Frankly I see no up to move to in the Harley world. My Honda is more powerful, more reliable, more manuverable, faster and overall more cool than any Harley. My Father-in-law rides a Harley Ultra Classic (the big old man's bike) and is one of the few people I know who understands. He and I have an understanding about that bike. He knows the only reason I begrudgingly accept it is because its fuel injected which I think makes an otherwise worthless powerplant appear civilized. Thus when he dies I'll inherit the bike as otherwise it'll just be sold off while for my part I promise to appreciate it for what it is. -Curt I've been riding Harleys for 33 years. I don't get into pissing contests with anyone over anything. If I see someone riding any bike I think kewl, they're getting the wind in their face and having a good time. I also drive Mercedes Benz cars and use Apple Computers. There are good reasons why I do what I do. I'm sure that most folks have good reasons for doing what they do too. It's all just a matter of preference. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Glove box latch adjust
I'm pleased you mentioned it. I've fiddled endlessly with the hinges on my glovebox, moving them in and out to get the confounded door to shut flush with the dashboard. Fat chance. Yeah, hinges, bumpers, and latch hook all are adjustable, along with attempting to rebuild and/or tighten up that weak pivot and spring mechanism inside. Hours of fun, fun, fun! I hate the 123 door, though it _does_ make a nice place to hang a hooked cupholder. But here's a question. What's the tool called which fits the slotted nuts of the hinge on a W123 300TD's glovebox door? I call it: Needlenose pliers. You can also grind an old screwdriver. I've heard it called a spanner (though that's not the Brit definition) or a pin wrench, though both may be misnomers. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] The wave
On May 17, 2006, at 10:05 AM, lee wrote: There are only two kinds of biker, those who have parted ways with their bike at speed, and those who eventually will if they keep riding. It is an enlightening experience if you survive it. Lee And you have the road rash scars to back-up this statement? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Rear brake part 2
On May 17, 2006, at 10:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A warped rotor? Something in the brake hydraulics? I guess it's time to switch rotors as a test as I'm getting a bit tired of replacing parts with no effect. Thanks for the help . Neal, How about the rear wheel bearings? When one goes South, it can screech and thump and whine and scrape. Most of the time the sound will change while negotiating bends in the road. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] 1987 300D turbo timing chain replacement questions....
timing chain in my 1987 300D turbo, 300K miles. The first response I got was that it was not needed unless the timing chain was making lots of noise. He's right, modulo the measured chain stretch also being OK. At that mileage it's worth a check, especially since you know it hasn't been checked in some time. How's that car holding up? I remember seeing it when I picked up your old 300D. (It's still slumbering in our back lot as a backup car. Haven't needed it in awhile as we have a temporary [?] surfeit of spare cars.) I then told him, that as far as I knew, I should replace it because of the high mileage, that I didn't want to risk destroying the engine in case of failure. It [stretch] an easy test, and worth doing. I had our SDL's chain and tensioner done, at less miles than you're talking about, but it _was_ making noise. going to be $1200, and the labor was going to be $800. He then went on to tell me that all the years he had been with the dealership (he is the service manager, and has been there a long time) he has only known of 2 or 3 such replacements. He's probably right. They don't wear like (say) the ones on a V8. What I'm asking, is, would it be difficult for me to change the timing chain myself? I am somewhat mechanically inclined, and could take the car to a different shop to do the fine tuning of the timing and fuel pump. Next time I'm doing my own, up 'til now I've hired it out. If only the chain needs to be done, and not the other crap, it's supposedly quite easy and no retiming is required. Is there any valve work that I should also consider while doing this? I don't think so. Vacuum pump maybe? Anyone know of other good shops in the Yakima, Washington area that I could trust working on my 300D? Coeur d'Alene has one that I know has done a 603 chain or two. I've personally taken him one 603 and two 117's to do. -- Jim
[MBZ] 126 AC system
After recharging our SDL the compressor was definitely cycling when set on MIN, even though the 52-degree vent temperatures aren't really that low. It may be that the evaporator temperature sensor is a bit out of whack, I've heard of this happening, but spot-checking it by getting a real thermometer on there is not easy. Any thoughts out there? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 126 AC system
Jim, The compressor will cycle based upon a high pressure cut off too. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:57 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] 126 AC system After recharging our SDL the compressor was definitely cycling when set on MIN, even though the 52-degree vent temperatures aren't really that low. It may be that the evaporator temperature sensor is a bit out of whack, I've heard of this happening, but spot-checking it by getting a real thermometer on there is not easy. Any thoughts out there? -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Almost too good...
Thats good to know Bill, I had a ball joint and tierod end done not too long ago so hopefully tomorrow dear wifey is going to get the car in for an alignment and saturday I'll get some new sneakers on her. Friday driving home in the rain as the puddles were first getting huge I found out one tire (what I now belatedly realize is the ugliest one) had leaked down to like 20psi. I found out because I hit a puddle and that tire wanted to take a quick left turn... Pretty scary. Now with proper pressure its not so bad but bad enough to replace 'em. -Curt Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:45:39 -0400 From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Almost too good... To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt - I had an occasional steering wobble on my SD - only felt it at highway speeds with a mild left curve. Finally the tires stopped in the right spot so that I could see a flat spot developing. Changing the tires took care of it. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD EM 275k - Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu May 18 13:21:11 2006 Received: from web2.yourserver.net ([209.126.167.63] helo=mail2.yourserver.net) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FgiRD-00054A-AG for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 18 May 2006 13:21:11 + Received: (qmail 30242 invoked by uid 399); 18 May 2006 13:21:10 - Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]@67.131.78.5) by web2.yourserver.net with SMTP; 18 May 2006 13:21:10 - From: lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 07:21:08 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.3 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] The wave X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 13:21:11 - And you have the road rash scars to back-up this statement? Including a bit of Phoenix ashpalt still embedded in my hand after 30+ years. On Thursday 18 May 2006 6:34, John Berryman wrote: On May 17, 2006, at 10:05 AM, lee wrote: There are only two kinds of biker, those who have parted ways with their bike at speed, and those who eventually will if they keep riding. It is an enlightening experience if you survive it. Lee Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Shudder upon shutoff
Now Marshall - first you tell us not to let the engine idle for more than a few minutes (carbon build-up), then now you're advocating not turning it off (like the big rigs). I guess that means we need to tag-team drive the cars - keeping them in motion! Suburban 24 hours of Le Mans style? One solution is to NEVER turn the car off! Those who don't appreciate such a simple answer, simply delete please. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] The wave
On May 18, 2006, at 9:21 AM, lee wrote: And you have the road rash scars to back-up this statement? Including a bit of Phoenix ashpalt still embedded in my hand after 30+ years. For my own sake, I certainly hope you're wrong. I've ridden so many miles for so many years that it would seem I'm due for a wreck. I never rule this out as a possibility and do my best to predict what everyone around me could/will do wrong. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] OT: Calling our man in Mexico ...
The account of the violence in Atenco is, to the best of my knowledge, incomplete and innacurate. I have been following this issue, as I am interested in the Zapatista movement. What happened is that flower sellers were peddling their wares in the outdoor market, and a large number of police showed up to evict them. This is believed to be in large part because Walmart wants to build a superstore there. The flower sellers resisted, and it was Mexican police with guns and tear gas against peasant farmers with rocks and machetes; by the end of the day there was at least one peasant farmer killed and 400 detained or in some cases dissapeared. The citizens in the area joined in on the side of the flower sellers, obstructing the police, barricading roads, etc, and it may be at this point that police were beaten. For what its worth, NAFTA and the spread of global industry is hitting Mexico hard; it is common for industries to move in and tap into the water sources which the local farmers depend on, effectively destroying the agrarian economy. The destruction of the agrarian economy and consequent displacement of the farmers is a major factor compelling the wave of immigration north of the border. President Fox is a buffoon and a sock puppet for US financial interests. He is widely detested. Obrador offers hope of reform, but Marcos has been conducting what he calls the other campaign, which is not about electoral politics at all, but rather traveling throughout the rural areas, calling together the people threatened by the invasion of multinational corporations, etc and discussing what they can do directly to protect themselves, their land, their water, their way of life. Lee On Wednesday 17 May 2006 11:17, Craig McCluskey wrote: One of the list subscribers has mentioned that he lives in Mexico. This evening, I ran across http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MEXICO_VOTE_OF_FEAR?SITE=APSECTION= HOMETEMPLATE=DEFAULTCTIME=2006-05-17-06-12-44 which paints a pretty bleak picture of things down there. Is this an accurate picture? Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Rear brake part 2
Since I'm stumped after all the manipulations I dropped the car at my inde to test drive and maybe their trained ears can define the problem. Since switching the rotors didn't change anything I looking at all possibilities. Neal John Berryman wrote: On May 17, 2006, at 10:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A warped rotor? Something in the brake hydraulics? I guess it's time to switch rotors as a test as I'm getting a bit tired of replacing parts with no effect. Thanks for the help . Neal, How about the rear wheel bearings? When one goes South, it can screech and thump and whine and scrape. Most of the time the sound will change while negotiating bends in the road. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Jumper Cables
Someone sometime in the past suggested going to a welding shop and getting some cast-off welding cables (apparently they replace them occasionally for some reason) and putting some clamps on, then you have a pretty stout set of cables for very little dinero. The welding cables are like 0 gauge and quite flexible, can carry a lot of amps and are easy to use. But then that guy on the two guys TV show that hawks the Tornado Air turbulizer said at one time that this is bad bad bad, so you make the choice. --R
Re: [MBZ] possibly Nice 300CD on ebay Item # 4635494437
There is/was a red CD in the neighborhood I (used to) see occasionally, very nice condition. Young couple driving it. There is a silver one too, in pretty decent shape. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: Someone asked whether the 300CD came in red. We had a local (D.C.) dentist (vanity plate - Drtooth or dr2th) with an immaculate concours daily driver 1985 300CD in candy apple red with chrome bundt wheels and a palomino interior. Pretty slick! He left town after his divorce. On 5/4/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what blue stick 240d? I never had one that I know of. Luther Gulseth wrote: Still have the blue stick 240? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Jumper Cables
I can't imagine why it is a bad idea. The only problem is that copper sells for almost $4.00 a pound now, so the welding shops will probably NOT give it away. The good clamps are about $10 for a set of two. You will spend $20 on clamps and a bit on the wire. If you do not count your labor, it will probably cost you more than $30. You can buy a GOOD set of 20' 2/0 cables for $40. OTOH if you have all the parts free, it makes sense. Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:55 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jumper Cables Someone sometime in the past suggested going to a welding shop and getting some cast-off welding cables (apparently they replace them occasionally for some reason) and putting some clamps on, then you have a pretty stout set of cables for very little dinero. The welding cables are like 0 gauge and quite flexible, can carry a lot of amps and are easy to use. But then that guy on the two guys TV show that hawks the Tornado Air turbulizer said at one time that this is bad bad bad, so you make the choice. --R ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT: Calling our man in Mexico ...
Lee - Thank you for the input. As I have commented before on this list, one of my post-grad profs said that he preferred the controlled press of Kenya to the illusion of a free press in America. At least he always knew what was really happening by reading the headlines - but never the stories. He knew the government [as something of an insider] and the people [raised in a rural area] and how they each would react. Impossible to get any report that is not reflecting one side or the other. Enough of rant. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD EM 275K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lee Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:40 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Calling our man in Mexico ... The account of the violence in Atenco is, to the best of my knowledge, incomplete and innacurate. I have been following this issue, as I am interested in the Zapatista movement. What happened is that flower sellers were peddling their wares in the outdoor market, and a large number of police showed up to evict them. This is believed to be in large part because Walmart wants to build a superstore there. The flower sellers resisted, and it was Mexican police with guns and tear gas against peasant farmers with rocks and machetes; by the end of the day there was at least one peasant farmer killed and 400 detained or in some cases dissapeared. The citizens in the area joined in on the side of the flower sellers, obstructing the police, barricading roads, etc, and it may be at this point that police were beaten. For what its worth, NAFTA and the spread of global industry is hitting Mexico hard; it is common for industries to move in and tap into the water sources which the local farmers depend on, effectively destroying the agrarian economy. The destruction of the agrarian economy and consequent displacement of the farmers is a major factor compelling the wave of immigration north of the border. President Fox is a buffoon and a sock puppet for US financial interests. He is widely detested. Obrador offers hope of reform, but Marcos has been conducting what he calls the other campaign, which is not about electoral politics at all, but rather traveling throughout the rural areas, calling together the people threatened by the invasion of multinational corporations, etc and discussing what they can do directly to protect themselves, their land, their water, their way of life. Lee On Wednesday 17 May 2006 11:17, Craig McCluskey wrote: One of the list subscribers has mentioned that he lives in Mexico. This evening, I ran across http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MEXICO_VOTE_OF_FEAR?SITE=APSECT ION= HOMETEMPLATE=DEFAULTCTIME=2006-05-17-06-12-44 which paints a pretty bleak picture of things down there. Is this an accurate picture? Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 126 AC system
The compressor will cycle based upon a high pressure cut off too. That could do it. My test refrigerant tends towards higher than R12 pressures, at least in that car. (A few more years and maybe the test will be over. Just about the time the car is retired ought to do it...) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Jumper Cables
I use welding cable for my jumper cables...Combined with a set of heavy duty clamps from NAPA I can start any kind of car even without it's own battery or my vehicle running...Big wire means big amperage to get the job done. No bad about it. Mike - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jumper Cables Someone sometime in the past suggested going to a welding shop and getting some cast-off welding cables (apparently they replace them occasionally for some reason) and putting some clamps on, then you have a pretty stout set of cables for very little dinero. The welding cables are like 0 gauge and quite flexible, can carry a lot of amps and are easy to use. But then that guy on the two guys TV show that hawks the Tornado Air turbulizer said at one time that this is bad bad bad, so you make the choice. --R ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Jumper Cables
I use welding cable for my jumper cables... Welding cable, plugs, and sockets are what I used in my big generator to manage the 1-phase/3-phase conversion. Not much else out there to handle a 150A circuit in the way of switches and such, not economically anyway. Welding cable ought to be good at handling vibration, too. I suppose the stricture against _used_ welding cable is that the insulation may be dangerously frayed. I think, however, that cables get retired when only part gets damaged, and they're not interested in trying to repair them, they just replace one even if only a few feet of it are shot. Nobody wants clunky non-flexible parts of their welding cable to drag around. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Jumper Cables/electricity 101
In a message dated 5/18/2006 8:40:06 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I use welding cable for my jumper cables... Welding cable, plugs, and sockets are what I used in my big generator to manage the 1-phase/3-phase conversion. Not much else out there to handle a 150A circuit in the way of switches and such, not economically anyway. Welding cable ought to be good at handling vibration, too. I suppose the stricture against _used_ welding cable is that the insulation may be dangerously frayed. I think, however, that cables get retired when only part gets damaged, and they're not interested in trying to repair them, they just replace one even if only a few feet of it are shot. Nobody wants clunky non-flexible parts of their welding cable to drag around. All, While welding cable is good because it is flexible, and usually 00 or bigger, I have read that it is not ideal for 12V DC use because the strands are very fine and DC current travels down the core of the wire. IE: larger diameter strands are better, within reason, as too few strands will affect flexibility. Before someone asks, most arc welders are AC, though some have DC and DC reverse options. With AC, current travels down the surface of each strand, making multiple strand cables lower in resistance. I have owned a set of Sears 20 foot 2/0 cables for many years. They never get hot and they jump my diesels without fail. They still sell them for about $40 and you can catch them on a half price sale once in a while. The extra length comes in handy if the cars are parked front to back, which is much safer along the roadside. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 142 K miles
Re: [MBZ] The wave
I've been riding Harleys for 33 years. I don't get into pissing contests with anyone over anything. If I see someone riding any bike I think kewl, they're getting the wind in their face and having a good time. I also drive Mercedes Benz cars and use Apple Computers. There are good reasons why I do what I do. I'm sure that most folks have good reasons for doing what they do too. It's all just a matter of preference. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am I second that. Rick Knoble A.K.A. Harleyrik '85 300 CD '87 190 DT
[MBZ] W124 SLS valve
Anybody ever successfully disassemble one? Replaced the one in my '87 TD when I found it wasn't functioning altogether correctly after getting it back from accident repairs. Guess I'm wondering if a shard from the shattered reservoir might have made it thru the pump and clogged a port in the valve. Thinking of getting an adjustable pin wrench and mounting the thing in a vise but not the least bit confident that's going to be sufficient to the task... joe
Re: [MBZ] Tire Purchase
Oh yeah, and the Mobil 1 is watered down, etc, etc. Good grief! On 5/18/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? I would think a Michelin was a Michelin. Do they provide a lower spec tire specifically for Wal Mart? Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Their tires are also not of the same quality as what you would get at a real tire store/tirerack. James Jetton wrote: Johnny, I just purchased a set of Michelins for the Powerstroke at Wal-mart. Out the door price of $166.00 each, which included lifetime rotation and balance, tire disposal, taxes, etc for a set of 235/85/R16's. I normally limit my exposure to Wally World, but these prices were cheaper than anyone else. James Jetton 1987 300SDL 143k 1996 Ford F-250 Powerstroke 171k ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500 SEL 143K Stardust 1985 380SL 143K Blue Belle 1996 Sidekick 57K Kermit
Re: [MBZ] Jumper Cables/electricity 101
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While welding cable is good because it is flexible, and usually 00 or bigger, I have read that it is not ideal for 12V DC use because the strands are very fine and DC current travels down the core of the wire. IE: larger diameter strands are better, within reason, as too few strands will affect flexibility. Before someone asks, most arc welders are AC, though some have DC and DC reverse options. With AC, current travels down the surface of each strand, making multiple strand cables lower in resistance. You're correct about the skin effect of AC. DC will travel down the entire wire; it doesn't really care whether the strands are fine or thick, so I think the cables will work fine as jumper cables, assuming they're all copper. High voltage power lines often take advantage of the skin effect by using a steel core. Steel is strong, but a relatively poor conductor. Because of skin effect, though, the AC current flows mostly through the outer part of the wire, which is usually aluminum, and the steel serves only a a structural support.
Re: [MBZ] Tire Purchase
I put a set of Goodyear light truck tires on my old 68 Chevy pickup at WalMart a couple of years back. No problems so far. They seemed much more professional about the whole thing than most tire shops that I have dealt with in recent years. They were quite apologetic about the fact that their reference material did not go far enough back to tell them the proper torque specs. They took an educated guess and begged me to come back in a day or two so they could check them. I checked myself and did not worry about it after that. Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Desert Rat Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire Purchase Oh yeah, and the Mobil 1 is watered down, etc, etc. Good grief! On 5/18/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? I would think a Michelin was a Michelin. Do they provide a lower spec tire specifically for Wal Mart? Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Their tires are also not of the same quality as what you would get at a real tire store/tirerack. James Jetton wrote: Johnny, I just purchased a set of Michelins for the Powerstroke at Wal-mart. Out the door price of $166.00 each, which included lifetime rotation and balance, tire disposal, taxes, etc for a set of 235/85/R16's. I normally limit my exposure to Wally World, but these prices were cheaper than anyone else. James Jetton 1987 300SDL 143k 1996 Ford F-250 Powerstroke 171k ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500 SEL 143K Stardust 1985 380SL 143K Blue Belle 1996 Sidekick 57K Kermit ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Engine numbers
I'm looking at the manual on CD, and I'm trying to figure out how to relate the engine number that I see on my engine block to the numbers that they provide in the PDFs - for example, the PDF has numbers such as: engine numbers: 601, 602, 603 My entire enginge number is 616 912 102 681 24 I don't see 601, 602, 603 in my engine number. Pointers? Brian 83 240D
Re: [MBZ] Serious wheels
Hang the gas prices: http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2006-Porsche-911-Carrera-S-Club-Coupe.htm RLE
Re: [MBZ] Engine numbers
Zoltan Finks wrote: I'm looking at the manual on CD, and I'm trying to figure out how to relate the engine number that I see on my engine block to the numbers that they provide in the PDFs - for example, the PDF has numbers such as: engine numbers: 601, 602, 603 My entire enginge number is 616 912 102 681 24 I don't see 601, 602, 603 in my engine number. Then the numbers in the PDF don't apply to your engine. -- John L. Ervine 1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi 1980 300TD 175+kmi 1980 300SD 277+kmi 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
Re: [MBZ] Diesel injector return hose
Casey, I switched to 1/8 in hi pressure fuel line earlier this year for the very same reason, but too soon to tell if it works. I have been running straight bio for some time and it plays havoc with a number of things besides rubber, i.e., tank filters, delivery valve and sundry other leaks, paint damage, etc. On balance I like it but will probably run a B70 mix because I seem to be sacrificing a significant amount of power with straight bio. But the car runs much smoother and quieter and produces less smoke than No. 2. Bruce Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I finally got tired of monkeying around with stock return lines that never seemed to last more than a year with bio, and splurged for the viton stuff. Ordered 10 feet from this site for $3.22/ft. http://www.mcmaster.com/asp/enter.asp?partnum=5119K111+ Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (214k) '84 300D (212k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Bruce 82 300CD 334kmi 'His' 85 300CD 240kmi 'Hers' 75 240D 202kmi 'Donner' 77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen' 73 220D 'It' - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1cent;/min. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu May 18 19:30:18 2006 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.192.81]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FgoCE-0002Y8-Nn for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:30:13 + Received: from rmailcenter74.comcast.net ([204.127.197.156]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id 20060518192952m11009e0fne; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:29:52 + Received: from [208.27.111.119] by rmailcenter74.comcast.net; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:29:49 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 19:29:49 + Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: ATT Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: andyZWFtZXNAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Engine numbers X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 19:30:19 - You have an OM616.912 and I'm guessing thats serial 10268124 You need to check the W123 CD, it should be disk 2. You want the Program\Engine\615 directory if I am correct. Psst: check out mb.braingears.com (not my site!) -j. -- Original message -- From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm looking at the manual on CD, and I'm trying to figure out how to relate the engine number that I see on my engine block to the numbers that they provide in the PDFs - for example, the PDF has numbers such as: engine numbers: 601, 602, 603 My entire enginge number is 616 912 102 681 24 I don't see 601, 602, 603 in my engine number. Pointers?
Re: [MBZ] Torque for delivery valve holder
On Thu, 18 May 2006 05:26:43 -0400 (EDT) John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 17 May 2006, Bob DuPuy wrote: Geez guys catch your breath, Bruce was asking about an 82 300CD. last time I check they came with the 5 cyl 617 engine! I remember a copper seal but not an O-ring on those. I wish I was an EPC Guru and could check for sure. OOOPS. Sorry. The 61x's use an ordinary socket (as opposed to the 33 tooth spline don't mess with this fitting). Not all of them. My '84 Euro 617.912 uses the splines. Note: I had to modify the Sir Tools spline socket to get it to work right; Sir Tools tools are junk. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Tire Purchase
Uh, negative on the Mobil 1, but it's well known in the auto trade that the Michelin tires sold through discount outlets (Wal Mart, in Canada also Canadian Tire) are produced offshore in the Third World. In the case of Michelin, I know at one time the tires they sold to the discounter market even carried different model designations (for example, the X-One was called the X when bought through Costco). Not sure if that is still true, but if you are comparison shopping check that the entire model name AND the treadwear and load rating specs are the same. BTW, this is also happening here in Canada with Bosch parts sold through Crappy Tire stores (mostly starters and alternators). You are in for a surprise when you try to pull one and get core or warranty for it, from an actual Bosch dealer. Bosch won't accept them back as cores or warranty them. Of course, you KNOW that the current joke among German mechanics is: What does 'Bosch-Germany' labelled on a part mean? Answer: 'Made in India'. LoL. Cheers Mac on 5/18/06 1:34 PM, Desert Rat at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yeah, and the Mobil 1 is watered down, etc, etc. Good grief! On 5/18/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? I would think a Michelin was a Michelin. Do they provide a lower spec tire specifically for Wal Mart? Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Their tires are also not of the same quality as what you would get at a real tire store/tirerack. James Jetton wrote: Johnny, I just purchased a set of Michelins for the Powerstroke at Wal-mart. Out the door price of $166.00 each, which included lifetime rotation and balance, tire disposal, taxes, etc for a set of 235/85/R16's. I normally limit my exposure to Wally World, but these prices were cheaper than anyone else. James Jetton 1987 300SDL 143k 1996 Ford F-250 Powerstroke 171k ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Jumper Cables/electricity 101
On Thu, 18 May 2006 12:04:05 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While welding cable is good because it is flexible, and usually 00 or bigger, I have read that it is not ideal for 12V DC use because the strands are very fine and DC current travels down the core of the wire. IE: larger diameter strands are better, within reason, as too few strands will affect flexibility. Before someone asks, most arc welders are AC, though some have DC and DC reverse options. With AC, current travels down the surface of each strand, making multiple strand cables lower in resistance. The skin depth (where the current is down to 37% of the value at the surface) of AC current at 60 Hz is something like 0.375 - 0.5 INCH, so unless your wire is 0.75 - 1.0 inch, you won't really have a problem with line frequency AC on the wire. The smaller strands in welding cable are for flexibility. (Now in the megahertz region, there is Litz wire for just this problem, but at those frequencies the skin depth is MUCH less.) Welding cables (with good insulation) will work just fine for jumper cables. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Engine numbers
On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:07:55 -0500 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking at the manual on CD, and I'm trying to figure out how to relate the engine number that I see on my engine block to the numbers that they provide in the PDFs - for example, the PDF has numbers such as: engine numbers: 601, 602, 603 My entire enginge number is 616 912 102 681 24 I don't see 601, 602, 603 in my engine number. You won't. Those are used in newer cars. In addition, properly phrased, your engine is 616.912-10-268124. 616.912four cylinder diesel used in W123 240Ds 10 manual transmission 268124 specific engine number Craig
Re: [MBZ] Tire Purchase
So, Michelin has a different warranty on tires purchased at discount outlets? Wouldn't Tirerack be the ultimate Discount Outlet? Are they produced offshore as well? Sorry, but I am not in the auto trade. Where can one look up this well known fact to verify this rumor? On 5/18/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, negative on the Mobil 1, but it's well known in the auto trade that the Michelin tires sold through discount outlets (Wal Mart, in Canada also Canadian Tire) are produced offshore in the Third World. In the case of Michelin, I know at one time the tires they sold to the discounter market even carried different model designations (for example, the X-One was called the X when bought through Costco). Not sure if that is still true, but if you are comparison shopping check that the entire model name AND the treadwear and load rating specs are the same. BTW, this is also happening here in Canada with Bosch parts sold through Crappy Tire stores (mostly starters and alternators). You are in for a surprise when you try to pull one and get core or warranty for it, from an actual Bosch dealer. Bosch won't accept them back as cores or warranty them. Of course, you KNOW that the current joke among German mechanics is: What does 'Bosch-Germany' labelled on a part mean? Answer: 'Made in India'. LoL. Cheers Mac on 5/18/06 1:34 PM, Desert Rat at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yeah, and the Mobil 1 is watered down, etc, etc. Good grief! On 5/18/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? I would think a Michelin was a Michelin. Do they provide a lower spec tire specifically for Wal Mart? Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Their tires are also not of the same quality as what you would get at a real tire store/tirerack. James Jetton wrote: Johnny, I just purchased a set of Michelins for the Powerstroke at Wal-mart. Out the door price of $166.00 each, which included lifetime rotation and balance, tire disposal, taxes, etc for a set of 235/85/R16's. I normally limit my exposure to Wally World, but these prices were cheaper than anyone else. James Jetton 1987 300SDL 143k 1996 Ford F-250 Powerstroke 171k ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500 SEL 143K Stardust 1985 380SL 143K Blue Belle 1996 Sidekick 57K Kermit
Re: [MBZ] The wave
These sorts of stories are why I ultimately stopped riding and sold my Goldwing. The older I get the slower I heal and (hopefully) the smarter I get. I cut myself with with a biscuit jointer in my workshop and it really only bit one finger but it is a reminder that does not go away. It was one of the things that made me realize I would not be happy if I got off the bike the hard way and injured arms or legs etc. I always wore a helmet and a leather jacket and jeans and boots and gloves but I also knew that might not be enough. (I commonly see people on bikes in shorts and a T shirt.) My old 300D serves the purpose that the bike did and I think I enjoy it every bit as much (especially if it rains). Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of lee Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:21 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The wave And you have the road rash scars to back-up this statement? Including a bit of Phoenix ashpalt still embedded in my hand after 30+ years. On Thursday 18 May 2006 6:34, John Berryman wrote: On May 17, 2006, at 10:05 AM, lee wrote: There are only two kinds of biker, those who have parted ways with their bike at speed, and those who eventually will if they keep riding. It is an enlightening experience if you survive it. Lee Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Tire Purchase
I think they key thing is that are different models of tires. Michelin is a brand name. Just cause they make a really great tire, doesn't mean they don't make some really crappy ones as well. I don't exactly consider B.F. Goodrich to be my favorite tires, but I'd consider them a good name. However, my 83' 300D came with a set that the guy got at Sam's. At least two of them have had bubbles in the sidewalls since I got them. I pretty well view them as crap tires. The difference is: Wal-mart sells CHEAP TIRES. Tirerack sells GOOD TIRES CHEAP... Not to say you couldn't find a crap tire at Tirerack, or a good tire at Wal-mart. But personally, I buy what I can look on tirerack and see good reviews for both from tirerack and other customers, and then take it to Wal-mart or whereever to have it mounted and balanced. And every time I've checked so far, it's still been cheaper than just getting whatever no-name brand crap tire that Wal-mart had and having them mount and balance it... Personally, I haven't looked up the exact specs, but for the size that was previously listed where Michelin's were got at Wal-mart for $165, I would have just paid $85 for Kumho's from Tirerack and had Wally world mount them. I've had great luck with the Kumho's I've gotten so far... (I don't know what model the michelin's were, but tirerack did have a michelin in that size that was $160...) Levi On 5/18/06, Desert Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, Michelin has a different warranty on tires purchased at discount outlets? Wouldn't Tirerack be the ultimate Discount Outlet? Are they produced offshore as well? Sorry, but I am not in the auto trade. Where can one look up this well known fact to verify this rumor? On 5/18/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, negative on the Mobil 1, but it's well known in the auto trade that the Michelin tires sold through discount outlets (Wal Mart, in Canada also Canadian Tire) are produced offshore in the Third World. In the case of Michelin, I know at one time the tires they sold to the discounter market even carried different model designations (for example, the X-One was called the X when bought through Costco). Not sure if that is still true, but if you are comparison shopping check that the entire model name AND the treadwear and load rating specs are the same. BTW, this is also happening here in Canada with Bosch parts sold through Crappy Tire stores (mostly starters and alternators). You are in for a surprise when you try to pull one and get core or warranty for it, from an actual Bosch dealer. Bosch won't accept them back as cores or warranty them. Of course, you KNOW that the current joke among German mechanics is: What does 'Bosch-Germany' labelled on a part mean? Answer: 'Made in India'. LoL. Cheers Mac on 5/18/06 1:34 PM, Desert Rat at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yeah, and the Mobil 1 is watered down, etc, etc. Good grief! On 5/18/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? I would think a Michelin was a Michelin. Do they provide a lower spec tire specifically for Wal Mart? Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Their tires are also not of the same quality as what you would get at a real tire store/tirerack. James Jetton wrote: Johnny, I just purchased a set of Michelins for the Powerstroke at Wal-mart. Out the door price of $166.00 each, which included lifetime rotation and balance, tire disposal, taxes, etc for a set of 235/85/R16's. I normally limit my exposure to Wally World, but these prices were cheaper than anyone else. James Jetton 1987 300SDL 143k 1996 Ford F-250 Powerstroke 171k ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500 SEL 143K Stardust 1985 380SL 143K Blue Belle 1996 Sidekick 57K Kermit ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] The wave
Well, if it's warm out, I'm quite possibly in shorts and a t-shirt. I didn't spend all the money for real protection with some sort of armour in it, so in my mind, if the bike goes down, I'm doubting that pair of jeans are going to make a whole heck of a lot of difference. Maybe I'll have an extra 10th of a second before the jeans rip and wear off against the pavement... Don't get me wrong, I'll fully agree that real protection is the way to go. But I don't want to spend more than my bike cost (about $600) for something that would really protect me, and the time and pain to put it all on and off for a 15 minute ride, or just the trip to work... Heck, I'm riding my electric bicycle about 6+ miles each way to and from work, and on the one steep hill where I'm holding both brakes to keep it around 30mph max, I'm thinking how a helmet probably would be a good idea, since falling off a bicycle at 30mph is probably going to hurt about as much as falling off a motorcycle at that speed... Levi On 5/18/06, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These sorts of stories are why I ultimately stopped riding and sold my Goldwing. The older I get the slower I heal and (hopefully) the smarter I get. I cut myself with with a biscuit jointer in my workshop and it really only bit one finger but it is a reminder that does not go away. It was one of the things that made me realize I would not be happy if I got off the bike the hard way and injured arms or legs etc. I always wore a helmet and a leather jacket and jeans and boots and gloves but I also knew that might not be enough. (I commonly see people on bikes in shorts and a T shirt.) My old 300D serves the purpose that the bike did and I think I enjoy it every bit as much (especially if it rains). Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of lee Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:21 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The wave And you have the road rash scars to back-up this statement? Including a bit of Phoenix ashpalt still embedded in my hand after 30+ years. On Thursday 18 May 2006 6:34, John Berryman wrote: On May 17, 2006, at 10:05 AM, lee wrote: There are only two kinds of biker, those who have parted ways with their bike at speed, and those who eventually will if they keep riding. It is an enlightening experience if you survive it. Lee Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Tire Purchase
My my, counsellor, would this be a good time to suggest you switch to decaf ;-)? If you want to find out about something in the auto trade, then I'd suggest you sit around and chew the fat with people who work there. That would be a good start. Or have close friends in it who share information. Or all of the preceeding, including having worked in it, as I did. Tire Rack and Discount Tire Online are volume sellers who operate via the Net with low overheads, but they are TIRE DEALERS. DISCOUNT OUTLETS would include WallyMart, K-mart, Costco. They sell tires. I would not define them as tire dealers, any more than a supermarket with a big aisle of vitamins and toothpaste qualifies as a pharmacy. What I have said about tires applies to many items sold through discount outlets. That is why you MAY find you have trouble if you comparison-shop SOME things (e.g., small appliances) between, say, JC Penney and, say WallyMart, when you try to match up actual model numbers on products. Some manufacturers produce model variations solely for sale through WallyMart or other discounters. In the case of WM I would not suggest that this has any quality implications, as WM is tough on suppliers. As to whether Michelin has a different warranty, I have no idea, however one point to check would be if Michelins bought at (for example) Costco are covered at all Michelin dealers, or just through Costco outlets. Mac on 5/18/06 4:02 PM, Desert Rat at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, Michelin has a different warranty on tires purchased at discount outlets? Wouldn't Tirerack be the ultimate Discount Outlet? Are they produced offshore as well? Sorry, but I am not in the auto trade. Where can one look up this well known fact to verify this rumor? On 5/18/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, negative on the Mobil 1, but it's well known in the auto trade that the Michelin tires sold through discount outlets (Wal Mart, in Canada also Canadian Tire) are produced offshore in the Third World. In the case of Michelin, I know at one time the tires they sold to the discounter market even carried different model designations (for example, the X-One was called the X when bought through Costco). Not sure if that is still true, but if you are comparison shopping check that the entire model name AND the treadwear and load rating specs are the same. BTW, this is also happening here in Canada with Bosch parts sold through Crappy Tire stores (mostly starters and alternators). You are in for a surprise when you try to pull one and get core or warranty for it, from an actual Bosch dealer. Bosch won't accept them back as cores or warranty them. Of course, you KNOW that the current joke among German mechanics is: What does 'Bosch-Germany' labelled on a part mean? Answer: 'Made in India'. LoL. Cheers Mac on 5/18/06 1:34 PM, Desert Rat at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yeah, and the Mobil 1 is watered down, etc, etc. Good grief! On 5/18/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? I would think a Michelin was a Michelin. Do they provide a lower spec tire specifically for Wal Mart? Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Their tires are also not of the same quality as what you would get at a real tire store/tirerack. James Jetton wrote: Johnny, I just purchased a set of Michelins for the Powerstroke at Wal-mart. Out the door price of $166.00 each, which included lifetime rotation and balance, tire disposal, taxes, etc for a set of 235/85/R16's. I normally limit my exposure to Wally World, but these prices were cheaper than anyone else. James Jetton 1987 300SDL 143k 1996 Ford F-250 Powerstroke 171k ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Tire Purchase
Agree 100 percent Levi, Point is Michelin doesn't make a XXX tire for everone but Wallyworld and then let Wallyworld sell a XXX tire which is inferior to others. Just not going to happen. Bought Kuhmo's recently from Tirerack mounted and balanced and then drop shipped to my Indie. Great tire and great deal. No complaints at all, for the money anyway. On 5/18/06, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think they key thing is that are different models of tires. Michelin is a brand name. Just cause they make a really great tire, doesn't mean they don't make some really crappy ones as well. I don't exactly consider B.F. Goodrich to be my favorite tires, but I'd consider them a good name. However, my 83' 300D came with a set that the guy got at Sam's. At least two of them have had bubbles in the sidewalls since I got them. I pretty well view them as crap tires. The difference is: Wal-mart sells CHEAP TIRES. Tirerack sells GOOD TIRES CHEAP... Not to say you couldn't find a crap tire at Tirerack, or a good tire at Wal-mart. But personally, I buy what I can look on tirerack and see good reviews for both from tirerack and other customers, and then take it to Wal-mart or whereever to have it mounted and balanced. And every time I've checked so far, it's still been cheaper than just getting whatever no-name brand crap tire that Wal-mart had and having them mount and balance it... Personally, I haven't looked up the exact specs, but for the size that was previously listed where Michelin's were got at Wal-mart for $165, I would have just paid $85 for Kumho's from Tirerack and had Wally world mount them. I've had great luck with the Kumho's I've gotten so far... (I don't know what model the michelin's were, but tirerack did have a michelin in that size that was $160...) Levi On 5/18/06, Desert Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, Michelin has a different warranty on tires purchased at discount outlets? Wouldn't Tirerack be the ultimate Discount Outlet? Are they produced offshore as well? Sorry, but I am not in the auto trade. Where can one look up this well known fact to verify this rumor? On 5/18/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, negative on the Mobil 1, but it's well known in the auto trade that the Michelin tires sold through discount outlets (Wal Mart, in Canada also Canadian Tire) are produced offshore in the Third World. In the case of Michelin, I know at one time the tires they sold to the discounter market even carried different model designations (for example, the X-One was called the X when bought through Costco). Not sure if that is still true, but if you are comparison shopping check that the entire model name AND the treadwear and load rating specs are the same. BTW, this is also happening here in Canada with Bosch parts sold through Crappy Tire stores (mostly starters and alternators). You are in for a surprise when you try to pull one and get core or warranty for it, from an actual Bosch dealer. Bosch won't accept them back as cores or warranty them. Of course, you KNOW that the current joke among German mechanics is: What does 'Bosch-Germany' labelled on a part mean? Answer: 'Made in India'. LoL. Cheers Mac on 5/18/06 1:34 PM, Desert Rat at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yeah, and the Mobil 1 is watered down, etc, etc. Good grief! On 5/18/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? I would think a Michelin was a Michelin. Do they provide a lower spec tire specifically for Wal Mart? Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Their tires are also not of the same quality as what you would get at a real tire store/tirerack. James Jetton wrote: Johnny, I just purchased a set of Michelins for the Powerstroke at Wal-mart. Out the door price of $166.00 each, which included lifetime rotation and balance, tire disposal, taxes, etc for a set of 235/85/R16's. I normally limit my exposure to Wally World, but these prices were cheaper than anyone else. James Jetton 1987 300SDL 143k 1996 Ford F-250 Powerstroke 171k ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options
Re: [MBZ] Tire Purchase
Hello Levi, I really like Tire Rack but I find that in West Virginia that shipping to my local indy eats up the cost saving and that the similar tire from Wal-Mart is cheaper counting 6% sales tax. The last couple of sets I ordered from Tire Rack were well over comparable tires at Wal-Mart. The big difference for me is selections since I can get any tire that I want from Tire Rack and only a few from anywhere else. Todd Smith '85 300CD 248K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Levi Smith Not to say you couldn't find a crap tire at Tirerack, or a good tire at Wal-mart. But personally, I buy what I can look on tirerack and see good reviews for both from tirerack and other customers, and then take it to Wal-mart or whereever to have it mounted and balanced. And every time I've checked so far, it's still been cheaper than just getting whatever no-name brand crap tire that Wal-mart had and having them mount and balance it... Personally, I haven't looked up the exact specs, but for the size that was previously listed where Michelin's were got at Wal-mart for $165, I would have just paid $85 for Kumho's from Tirerack and had Wally world mount them. I've had great luck with the Kumho's I've gotten so far... (I don't know what model the michelin's were, but tirerack did have a michelin in that size that was $160...) Levi
Re: [MBZ] Engine numbers
Ah! Very good. Yes, I do think that I have the correct CDs. I'm using disk #2, and it allows me to choose my specific vehicle: 83 240D. So the engine nos. in the PDFs don't apply to me because they are referring to the same engine, only in a newer model vehicle? Okay. I'll move forward from here. Thanks Brian 83 240D On 5/18/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:07:55 -0500 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking at the manual on CD, and I'm trying to figure out how to relate the engine number that I see on my engine block to the numbers that they provide in the PDFs - for example, the PDF has numbers such as: engine numbers: 601, 602, 603 My entire enginge number is 616 912 102 681 24 I don't see 601, 602, 603 in my engine number. You won't. Those are used in newer cars. In addition, properly phrased, your engine is 616.912-10-268124. 616.912four cylinder diesel used in W123 240Ds 10 manual transmission 268124 specific engine number Craig ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Tire Purchase
It's no secret that Walmart wants cheap products from their suppliers that last 1 season and then require replacement. People expect more than 1 year from tires, but I suspect they are working on that too. http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/102/open_snapper.html -Dave Walton 94S350, 99E300 On 5/18/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My my, counsellor, would this be a good time to suggest you switch to decaf ;-)? If you want to find out about something in the auto trade, then I'd suggest you sit around and chew the fat with people who work there. That would be a good start. Or have close friends in it who share information. Or all of the preceeding, including having worked in it, as I did. Tire Rack and Discount Tire Online are volume sellers who operate via the Net with low overheads, but they are TIRE DEALERS. DISCOUNT OUTLETS would include WallyMart, K-mart, Costco. They sell tires. I would not define them as tire dealers, any more than a supermarket with a big aisle of vitamins and toothpaste qualifies as a pharmacy. What I have said about tires applies to many items sold through discount outlets. That is why you MAY find you have trouble if you comparison-shop SOME things (e.g., small appliances) between, say, JC Penney and, say WallyMart, when you try to match up actual model numbers on products. Some manufacturers produce model variations solely for sale through WallyMart or other discounters. In the case of WM I would not suggest that this has any quality implications, as WM is tough on suppliers. As to whether Michelin has a different warranty, I have no idea, however one point to check would be if Michelins bought at (for example) Costco are covered at all Michelin dealers, or just through Costco outlets. Mac on 5/18/06 4:02 PM, Desert Rat at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, Michelin has a different warranty on tires purchased at discount outlets? Wouldn't Tirerack be the ultimate Discount Outlet? Are they produced offshore as well? Sorry, but I am not in the auto trade. Where can one look up this well known fact to verify this rumor? On 5/18/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, negative on the Mobil 1, but it's well known in the auto trade that the Michelin tires sold through discount outlets (Wal Mart, in Canada also Canadian Tire) are produced offshore in the Third World. In the case of Michelin, I know at one time the tires they sold to the discounter market even carried different model designations (for example, the X-One was called the X when bought through Costco). Not sure if that is still true, but if you are comparison shopping check that the entire model name AND the treadwear and load rating specs are the same. BTW, this is also happening here in Canada with Bosch parts sold through Crappy Tire stores (mostly starters and alternators). You are in for a surprise when you try to pull one and get core or warranty for it, from an actual Bosch dealer. Bosch won't accept them back as cores or warranty them. Of course, you KNOW that the current joke among German mechanics is: What does 'Bosch-Germany' labelled on a part mean? Answer: 'Made in India'. LoL. Cheers Mac on 5/18/06 1:34 PM, Desert Rat at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yeah, and the Mobil 1 is watered down, etc, etc. Good grief! On 5/18/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? I would think a Michelin was a Michelin. Do they provide a lower spec tire specifically for Wal Mart? Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Their tires are also not of the same quality as what you would get at a real tire store/tirerack. James Jetton wrote: Johnny, I just purchased a set of Michelins for the Powerstroke at Wal-mart. Out the door price of $166.00 each, which included lifetime rotation and balance, tire disposal, taxes, etc for a set of 235/85/R16's. I normally limit my exposure to Wally World, but these prices were cheaper than anyone else. James Jetton 1987 300SDL 143k 1996 Ford F-250 Powerstroke 171k ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list
Re: [MBZ] Tire Purchase
On Thu, 18 May 2006 10:08:12 -0700, you wrote: Note: Wall Mart no longer sells SNAPPER lawnmower. SNAPPER refused to drop price, which would have required a quality reduction. Do you think the John Deer at Home Depot is the same machine as that at a John Deer dealer? Several years ago, I needed a washing machine. Fellow in my church was regional sales rep for Westinghouse. He said go to XYZ, one of his dealers and the fellow would do the best he could do. That was how he got his appliances! 3 weeks later the same model was on sale about $25 cheaper at a big discount store. I mentioned it to my buddy. He told me not so, I should compare the Long Form of the S/N on the back of both machines. I did, they were both the same model on the front but were different in the Long Form. Any manufacturer of electric motors (for instance) will tell you that there are several grades (and costs) for the same frame size motor. The better and more costly one runs cooler, draws less power and lasts longer. Guess who gets the culls? YMMV -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 1987 300SDL 24KMI 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 194Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is!
[MBZ] Serpentine Belt Noisey - '91 300D 2.5T
The new Serpentine Belt I installed (purchased from Rusty) is noisey (it
squeals) at idle. Since the tension is not adjustable and the WSM says to
*not* use a belt dressing, what is the fix? The old one was quiet - it
looked like it would break at any moment, but it was quiet. ;-)
TIA --
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, '91 300D Turbo)
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[MBZ] I now have a 2.5 turbo
Well I headed over to little rock and checked out that 91 2.5 turbo that luther passed on. Y'all would cry if I told you how much I snagged it for. Lets just say it was way under his asking price/bottom dollar. Very nice body, VERY nice interior, tires look pretty new, smokes and is not firing on #1, acts like a bad delivery valve. At first glance I dont think the head gasket it blown but will mess with it more and see what it does. It looks like its a VERY good deal, I cant believe lucifer passed on it. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Jumper Cables
On May 18, 2006, at 9:55 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: Someone sometime in the past suggested going to a welding shop and getting some cast-off welding cables (apparently they replace them occasionally for some reason) and putting some clamps on, then you have a pretty stout set of cables for very little dinero. The welding cables are like 0 gauge and quite flexible, can carry a lot of amps and are easy to use. I have a 22' set of 00 jumper cables made from welding cable. I've had them for over 30 years. The clamps were changed at least twice. They will start anything and the 22' length comes in handy when a car is nosed in or there is an obstruction next to it. I doubt there is much current lost along their length thanks to the many fine strands and huge diameter. They weigh a ton. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Jumper Cables/electricity 101
Copper clad steel ~ ~High voltage power lines often take advantage of the skin effect by ~using a steel core. Steel is strong, but a relatively poor conductor. ~Because of skin effect, though, the AC current flows mostly through the ~outer part of the wire, which is usually aluminum, and the steel serves ~only a a structural support. ~ ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] The wave
Levi - Just a word of caution. I bought my wife a scooter - 25 MPH max - a few years ago. Had a good helmet coming, but the neurosurgeon said it would not have mattered much. From a @25 MPH wreck [car pulled out in front of her] she has permanent brain damage. We are fortunate she is pretty much ok and can still work. She was so far above average verbally that the loss just brings her down to the level of the rest of us - until the afternoons, when she has a lot of trouble coming up with the right word. A fraction of an inch deeper or to one side and she would be unable to talk. Get a helmet, at least. Well worth the trouble. Then there are the @20 YO kids [three of them] who were quads in the ICU when I did a rotation there some years ago. A bit of skin loss seems minor sometimes, but hurts like ... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Levi Smith Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The wave Well, if it's warm out, I'm quite possibly in shorts and a t-shirt. I didn't spend all the money for real protection with some sort of armour in it, so in my mind, if the bike goes down, I'm doubting that pair of jeans are going to make a whole heck of a lot of difference. Maybe I'll have an extra 10th of a second before the jeans rip and wear off against the pavement... Don't get me wrong, I'll fully agree that real protection is the way to go. But I don't want to spend more than my bike cost (about $600) for something that would really protect me, and the time and pain to put it all on and off for a 15 minute ride, or just the trip to work... Heck, I'm riding my electric bicycle about 6+ miles each way to and from work, and on the one steep hill where I'm holding both brakes to keep it around 30mph max, I'm thinking how a helmet probably would be a good idea, since falling off a bicycle at 30mph is probably going to hurt about as much as falling off a motorcycle at that speed... Levi On 5/18/06, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These sorts of stories are why I ultimately stopped riding and sold my Goldwing. The older I get the slower I heal and (hopefully) the smarter I get. I cut myself with with a biscuit jointer in my workshop and it really only bit one finger but it is a reminder that does not go away. It was one of the things that made me realize I would not be happy if I got off the bike the hard way and injured arms or legs etc. I always wore a helmet and a leather jacket and jeans and boots and gloves but I also knew that might not be enough. (I commonly see people on bikes in shorts and a T shirt.) My old 300D serves the purpose that the bike did and I think I enjoy it every bit as much (especially if it rains). Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of lee Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:21 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The wave And you have the road rash scars to back-up this statement? Including a bit of Phoenix ashpalt still embedded in my hand after 30+ years. On Thursday 18 May 2006 6:34, John Berryman wrote: On May 17, 2006, at 10:05 AM, lee wrote: There are only two kinds of biker, those who have parted ways with their bike at speed, and those who eventually will if they keep riding. It is an enlightening experience if you survive it. Lee Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] I wanted AquaTread 3s but
I bought these instead. http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findTireDetail.do? sw=falsecs=185pc=28856rd=15ar=65 I'll let y'all know what I think of them after some miles. I personally never heard much about Falken Tires, so I asked around and got good feedback from a few friends in the auto repair biz and someone from this forum also claimed that they liked them. Good consumer reports. I have found that 201s are more prone to hydroplaning than larger heavier MBs and the new Bridgestone BT70s tires I put on in December are plum wore out. I guess I did a little driving since then. I never loved those tires and they were terrible in the wet, worse in snow. I bought them at the only place that could supply,mount and balance the tires on the only day I could take the time to have it done. I hope the new tires give me what I want. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Engine numbers
provide in the PDFs - for example, the PDF has numbers such as: engine numbers: 601, 602, 603 My entire engine number is 616 912 102 681 24 I don't see 601, 602, 603 in my engine number. Because you have the venerable iron-headed 616 4-cylinder engine. The 617 is the 5-cylinder version, and the 617A is turbocharged. The 60X engines are the newer aluminum-headed ones. The 615 is the 2.0 or 2.2 liter engine in the old series, and there are even older ones in the 621 and 636 series. -- Jim
[MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
Im still not sure if it has a blown head gasket or just delivery valves. After getting it good and warmed up it seems it idle worse than when cold. Also, the oil pressure will drop WAY down at idle and not hit 3 till about 2k or so. The oil level is REAL high, not sure why. I suppose its possible its diluted with fuel or something. Anyway, oil change should help that. Now going to need to find some info on the delivery valves. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
