Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes: I'm shocked at how much the price of tires has gone up the past couple of years. Everything is going up. When you get all those extra trillions of dollars our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren have been obligated to pay chasing the same amount of goods, the price of things has to go up. Yeah but it seems that tires have not just gone up, they've about doubled since I last shopped (a couple of years ago). Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
Allan, Have you also noticed all the used car lots, used tire shops, and thrift stores? But hey, according to the gov, the economy is improving and we're all happy. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
Allan Streib wrote: Yeah but it seems that tires have not just gone up, they've about doubled since I last shopped (a couple of years ago). Seems that way, doesn't it? I just checked, my last order of 195/65-15 H rated Generals was $67.50 shipped in August of 2008. Now it's $87.25. If you factor in the $50 rebate I got, it's $55 vs $87.25. Not double, but still steep. What's double is going from 15 190D tires then to 16 E320 tires now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes: I'm shocked at how much the price of tires has gone up the past couple of years. Everything is going up. When you get all those extra trillions of dollars our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren have been obligated to pay chasing the same amount of goods, the price of things has to go up. Yeah but it seems that tires have not just gone up, they've about doubled since I last shopped (a couple of years ago). Allan 1983 300D 1979 300SD Tire Rack and similar websites seem to have the best prices, but around here at least, the dealers charge higher prices for mounting the mailorder tires such that little or nothing is saved by ordering them. I've seen several simple tire changing machines at Harbor Freight and other sources. Have you or others had any experience with them? I seem to remember prices in the $150 range for the machines which would be paid for after mounting two sets of tires. Balancing can be done by using a hub clamped in a vice and lubricated with very light oil. Did that in years gone by. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:52 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Yeah but it seems that tires have not just gone up, they've about doubled since I last shopped (a couple of years ago). They (our government) raised tariffs on Chinese tires a few years ago. It has allowed domestic manufacturers to raise prices accordingly. IIRC, the Chinese responded by raising tariffs on US chickens. http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/14/news/companies/china_tire_tariff/index.htm Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: What's double is going from 15 190D tires then to 16 E320 tires now. The worst shocker was that it's going to cost me over $800 for new tires for my Nissan Frontier, which I will need before winter. I know truck tires are more, but over $200 each for a non-major brand name seems just astounding. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
Gerry Archer wrote: Tire Rack and similar websites seem to have the best prices, but around here at least, the dealers charge higher prices for mounting the mailorder tires such that little or nothing is saved by ordering them. The better labor deals on carry-in tires seem to be at Wal-Mart and my local Farm Bureau co-op. Wal-Mart: $5 mount a carry-in, free mount on purchase, $6.50 lifetime balance, $2.50 stem (or you can buy a 4 pack of stems and they'll install them free with the mount/balance job). Figure $50 and an hour or two wait to install four tires if you buy your own stems for $1 each. We selected tires for dad's Dakota at Tire Rack, called Farm Bureau for a quote, and FB was cheaper after adding in Tire Rack's shipping charges, so he just bought the whole package from FB. When tires were 6 wide, side to side balance was a lot less important than now. I'd be reluctant to gravity balance a $120 215/55-16 tire. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
Welcome to 1932, where a set of tires cost more than a lot of used cars. Both courtesy of progressive socialist regimes. Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: What's double is going from 15 190D tires then to 16 E320 tires now. The worst shocker was that it's going to cost me over $800 for new tires for my Nissan Frontier, which I will need before winter. I know truck tires are more, but over $200 each for a non-major brand name seems just astounding. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
The low profile sidewall tires are obscenely expensive as well. The wife's Mazda has them, and it has always been an exercise in pain when they require replacement. Dan On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:32 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: What's double is going from 15 190D tires then to 16 E320 tires now. The worst shocker was that it's going to cost me over $800 for new tires for my Nissan Frontier, which I will need before winter. I know truck tires are more, but over $200 each for a non-major brand name seems just astounding. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?
At $308. each, that only accounts for 3 shop hours at a decent body shop. 3 hrs to repair, to paint standard, a rusty fender, is on the low side. Plus, when you are done, it's still a rusty fender under the paint. Even with shipping costs, the $308 figure, IMHO, would be the better investment. You start with a clean, no rust, set of fenders, then paint them off the car. Undercoat or preserve the back side and have a much nicer end result. FWIW, Grant...AZ [where even bare metal takes years to rust, and decades to rust through] On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:22 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Cheap as wine - French champagne maybe... On 5/31/12, Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: They are $308.00 but shipping is a bear. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:50 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore? 123 fenders used to be cheap as wine. Check with the Q. Dan On May 31, 2012, at 4:06 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: We are thinking of repainting her 1985 300CD. It has some rust in both front fenders, esp. the passenger side. Would it be less costly to 1) buy and install (relatively) rust-free used fenders; or 2) have the body shop repair the existing ones? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
Gerry Archer wrote: Tire Rack and similar websites seem to have the best prices, but around here at least, the dealers charge higher prices for mounting the mailorder tires such that little or nothing is saved by ordering them. The better labor deals on carry-in tires seem to be at Wal-Mart and my local Farm Bureau co-op. Wal-Mart: $5 mount a carry-in, free mount on purchase, $6.50 lifetime balance, $2.50 stem (or you can buy a 4 pack of stems and they'll install them free with the mount/balance job). Figure $50 and an hour or two wait to install four tires if you buy your own stems for $1 each. We selected tires for dad's Dakota at Tire Rack, called Farm Bureau for a quote, and FB was cheaper after adding in Tire Rack's shipping charges, so he just bought the whole package from FB. When tires were 6 wide, side to side balance was a lot less important than now. I'd be reluctant to gravity balance a $120 215/55-16 tire. Glad to know about Walmart; didn't know they mounted carry-ins. We don't have Farm Bureau around here; probably because there aren't many farms. I've been leery about buying Walmart tires since they contract with the mfg'ers. After Sears started selling Michelins, it soon became apparent that the Sears Michelins were inferior to the tire dealer Michelins. Walmart could be doing the same although I haven't heard anything similar about their tires. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
We should respond with higher tariffs on chicken tires! My wife had a blowout on the Suburban a few weeks back, it was about time anyway to get new tars for it. $800+ later at Costco... ouch! --R On 6/1/12 8:23 AM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:52 AM, Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Yeah but it seems that tires have not just gone up, they've about doubled since I last shopped (a couple of years ago). They (our government) raised tariffs on Chinese tires a few years ago. It has allowed domestic manufacturers to raise prices accordingly. IIRC, the Chinese responded by raising tariffs on US chickens. http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/14/news/companies/china_tire_tariff/index.htm Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 83 300SD Vacuum connections
I need a diagram or photo of the vacuum connections on the box on top of the valve cover. I don't have the repair CD, the one for the 300D is different. The dry hoses at the front connection broke apart and I don't know how to hook together. Has fouled with the tranny shifting and maybe the turbo. Thanks Alan Duff Knoxville, TN ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 83 300SD Vacuum connections
I can take a pic a bit later and send it to you. I also have the CDs if you want a copy. --R On 6/1/12 11:19 AM, aland...@knology.net wrote: I need a diagram or photo of the vacuum connections on the box on top of the valve cover. I don't have the repair CD, the one for the 300D is different. The dry hoses at the front connection broke apart and I don't know how to hook together. Has fouled with the tranny shifting and maybe the turbo. Thanks Alan Duff Knoxville, TN ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?
Try POR. Randy On 31/05/2012 6:34 PM, Allan Streib wrote: If I had the time and motivation, I'd try removing the fenders, using the electrolytic method to get rid of the rust, then repair or fill as needed. Wire brushing and topical rust removers do not approach what I've seen the electrolytic conversion do. Instructions are somewhere on Jim Cathey's website. Allan G. M. Browng_010...@hotmail.com writes: Since I intend for my '84 300D to be my last car and last me the rest of my days, I replaced the RF LR fenders in '09 after finding rust that I was convinced would spread. I've had rust repaired in the past by reputable establishments only for rust to reappear a couple years later. Even if I need to replace the LF RR fenders at some point in the future, it's worth it to me. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph
Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast?? Randy On 31/05/2012 7:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car began accelerating against the driver's will and crashed into another car at the speed of 129 km/hsnip http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/17-05-2012/121154-hyundai_sonata-0/ ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Logic
The crispy pancake reference goes back a long time to the Ritter list when Hank, G-d's gift to anything automotive or mechanical, took over administrating the list. Maybe even before that point, as my memory is a bit cloudy regarding the details. Anyway, Hank pretty much knew everything about anything, and often regaled the list about his experiences, some of which involved his service during WWII, and many that involved pre-WWII autos, such as Packards. One time after one of Hank's lengthy diatribes, someone on Banned used a web site that allows you to create your own cartoon strips. They made one up about Hank with a reference to how he used to cook pancakes with crispy edges for the soldiers in Korea. I have a copy of the strip on my desktop machine that I will post to the list when I get home, unless someone beats me to it. In context, it was funny as hell. Not having been around at that time, it loses something in translation... Dan who likes his pancakes crispy On May 31, 2012, at 11:06 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On May 31, 2012, at 9:24 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: I've been wondering whether you have any thoughts about crispy pancakes Nah. I won't ask. I probably don't want to know... Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pancakes with crispy edges
Hank may be mellowing. I think I remember him asking a question about something he did not claim to know all about. Randy On 01/06/2012 10:50 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: The crispy pancake reference goes back a long time to the Ritter list when Hank, G-d's gift to anything automotive or mechanical, took over administrating the list. Maybe even before that point, as my memory is a bit cloudy regarding the details. Anyway, Hank pretty much knew everything about anything, and often regaled the list about his experiences, some of which involved his service during WWII, and many that involved pre-WWII autos, such as Packards. One time after one of Hank's lengthy diatribes, someone on Banned used a web site that allows you to create your own cartoon strips. They made one up about Hank with a reference to how he used to cook pancakes with crispy edges for the soldiers in Korea. I have a copy of the strip on my desktop machine that I will post to the list when I get home, unless someone beats me to it. In context, it was funny as hell. Not having been around at that time, it loses something in translation... Dan who likes his pancakes crispy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
One wonders how much the price of oil is directly reflected in the price of tires? Tires are synthetic rubber made from oil right? -Curt Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:32:03 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] tire opinion Message-ID: m1wr3rp60s@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: What's double is going from 15 190D tires then to 16 E320 tires now. The worst shocker was that it's going to cost me over $800 for new tires for my Nissan Frontier, which I will need before winter. I know truck tires are more, but over $200 each for a non-major brand name seems just astounding. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?
I agree completely. Spend an afternoon giving the inside of the new fender a POR15 treatment before going to the body shop and you'll be way ahead. Even rust free on a used fender doesn't mean won't bubble with rust tomorrow. -Curt Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 06:03:29 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore? Message-ID: cantulygsdmxs_m9z_adzunxh65r1-hyf0d675hwvazyu9ys...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 At $308. each, that only accounts for 3 shop hours at a decent body shop. 3 hrs to repair, to paint standard, a rusty fender, is on the low side. Plus, when you are done, it's still a rusty fender under the paint. Even with shipping costs, the $308 figure, IMHO, would be the better investment. You start with a clean, no rust, set of fenders, then paint them off the car. Undercoat or preserve the back side and have a much nicer end result. FWIW, Grant...AZ [where even bare metal takes years to rust, and decades to rust through] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
Actually, this has more to do with the fact that prices for both rubber and carbon black have been at record highs lately. Rubber because of severe weather in Asia in 2010, and carbon black because of industry consolidation (one less supplier in the market has raised prices). And high oil prices haven't helped either for the latter. On 2012-06-01, Rick Knoble wrote: They (our government) raised tariffs on Chinese tires a few years ago. It has allowed domestic manufacturers to raise prices accordingly. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pancakes with crispy edges
Could be. I think he has retreated a bit after trying to manage the list and hosting it on some rural ISP that was the equivalent of two soup cans and a piece of string. Dan On Jun 1, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Hank may be mellowing. I think I remember him asking a question about something he did not claim to know all about. Randy On 01/06/2012 10:50 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: The crispy pancake reference goes back a long time to the Ritter list when Hank, G-d's gift to anything automotive or mechanical, took over administrating the list. Maybe even before that point, as my memory is a bit cloudy regarding the details. Anyway, Hank pretty much knew everything about anything, and often regaled the list about his experiences, some of which involved his service during WWII, and many that involved pre-WWII autos, such as Packards. One time after one of Hank's lengthy diatribes, someone on Banned used a web site that allows you to create your own cartoon strips. They made one up about Hank with a reference to how he used to cook pancakes with crispy edges for the soldiers in Korea. I have a copy of the strip on my desktop machine that I will post to the list when I get home, unless someone beats me to it. In context, it was funny as hell. Not having been around at that time, it loses something in translation... Dan who likes his pancakes crispy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?
Miracle Paint . When I could not temporarily drive due to my stroke,I repaired 5 rust holes following Bergsma's Rust repair manual. 3 years later it still looks new. Even my bodyshop friend said that I saved over 2 grand on the work I did .Strokes does many wonders !! Buy the Miracle paint direct in New Jersey. Expensive but this stuff works. I even rebuilt my driver's floor in my '69 Austin America.[using the MP fiberglass sheet method ] Hard as metal . Bob 1983 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
OOPS should have been 1936. I think 1936-1939 were about the same . Welcome to 1932, where a set of tires cost more than a lot of used cars. Both courtesy of progressive socialist regimes. Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: What's double is going from 15 190D tires then to 16 E320 tires now. The worst shocker was that it's going to cost me over $800 for new tires for my Nissan Frontier, which I will need before winter. I know truck tires are more, but over $200 each for a non-major brand name seems just astounding. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pancakes with crispy edges
I think it was 3m that did that Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Could be. I think he has retreated a bit after trying to manage the list and hosting it on some rural ISP that was the equivalent of two soup cans and a piece of string. Dan On Jun 1, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Hank may be mellowing. I think I remember him asking a question about something he did not claim to know all about. Randy On 01/06/2012 10:50 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: The crispy pancake reference goes back a long time to the Ritter list when Hank, G-d's gift to anything automotive or mechanical, took over administrating the list. Maybe even before that point, as my memory is a bit cloudy regarding the details. Anyway, Hank pretty much knew everything about anything, and often regaled the list about his experiences, some of which involved his service during WWII, and many that involved pre-WWII autos, such as Packards. One time after one of Hank's lengthy diatribes, someone on Banned used a web site that allows you to create your own cartoon strips. They made one up about Hank with a reference to how he used to cook pancakes with crispy edges for the soldiers in Korea. I have a copy of the strip on my desktop machine that I will post to the list when I get home, unless someone beats me to it. In context, it was funny as hell. Not having been around at that time, it loses something in translation... Dan who likes his pancakes crispy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
Yup absolutely! WallySams tars are poor. the game is to keep you coming in and buying more there. when I ran their tars, I was in once-twice a year for adjustment/replacement. Once I quit that cycle, I don't buy nearly as many tars. BTW, Kelley generally is a good tire. It is an old brand. I don't know who owns them now. I've been leery about buying Walmart tires since they contract with the mfg'ers. After Sears started selling Michelins, it soon became apparent that the Sears Michelins were inferior to the tire dealer Michelins. Walmart could be doing the same although I haven't heard anything similar about their tires. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?
On Jun 1, 2012, at 12:32 PM, rdeaf...@aol.com wrote: Even my bodyshop friend said that I saved over 2 grand on the work I did .Strokes does many wonders !! I'll pass on the stroke, thanks. Rick Who sometimes IS a stroke... Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
Along with the spiraling deficit, fuel prices have doubled in the last 3 years and dragged everything with it. There's nothing that gets to the consumer without the use of fossil fuels - often more than once - for instance, a shipboard container, goes on a train then to a truck. I won't go into the vast fuel reserves we have within our borders - it's been well explained in the past -- with an halfway decent energy plan this country could be energy independent in a few years... LarryT 91 300D On 6/1/2012 8:17 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes: I'm shocked at how much the price of tires has gone up the past couple of years. Everything is going up. When you get all those extra trillions of dollars our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren have been obligated to pay chasing the same amount of goods, the price of things has to go up. Yeah but it seems that tires have not just gone up, they've about doubled since I last shopped (a couple of years ago). Allan 1983 300D 1979 300SD Tire Rack and similar websites seem to have the best prices, but around here at least, the dealers charge higher prices for mounting the mailorder tires such that little or nothing is saved by ordering them. I've seen several simple tire changing machines at Harbor Freight and other sources. Have you or others had any experience with them? I seem to remember prices in the $150 range for the machines which would be paid for after mounting two sets of tires. Balancing can be done by using a hub clamped in a vice and lubricated with very light oil. Did that in years gone by. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph
After a recent incident in my 91 300D I am even more skeptical of these unintended accelerations. As I accelerated up the on ramp the cruise control linkage dropped loose and became jammed against the engine keeping us at full acceleration. We were passing through 65 when I realized it and immediately applied the brakes. The brakes had no problem slowing the car as I pulled over to the side of the interstate. As I was almost stopped I turned the key off and we stopped with no drama.IIRC more cars have brakes designed to hold back twice as much HP as a car has. Then again, I think about the incredibly stupid public driving around loose in the US - LarryT 91 300D On 5/31/2012 8:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car began accelerating against the driver's will and crashed into another car at the speed of 129 km/hsnip http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/17-05-2012/121154-hyundai_sonata-0/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph
Raises hand... Walt On Jun 1, 2012 11:41 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast?? Randy On 31/05/2012 7:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car began accelerating against the driver's will and crashed into another car at the speed of 129 km/hsnip http://english.pravda.ru/news/**hotspots/17-05-2012/121154-** hyundai_sonata-0/http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/17-05-2012/121154-hyundai_sonata-0/ __**_ __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 83 300SD Vacuum connections
Thanks Rich: There are several open connections on the box that sits on the valve cover. If the CD has the photo diagram that might help me make the hookup. I have two lines and four connectors if I remember correctly. The valve cover was bad so I had to order another one and my memory faded while waiting. Same thing with the fuel linkage, I think I put it together correctly, but a diagram would help. Got a piece of a vacuum line today to replace the one going to the turbo, it was hard a brittle and also broke on valve cover removal. Pieced it together to last night to warm the tranny to change the fluid. The car was a total slug so I don't know it it is vacuum lines, fuel linkage or no turbo. Alan On Fri 06/ 1/12 11:30 AM , Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net sent: I can take a pic a bit later and send it to you. I also have the CDs if you want a copy. --R On 6/1/12 11:19 AM, alanduff @knology.net wrote: I need a diagram or photo of the vacuum connections on the box on top of the valve cover. I don't have the repair CD, the one for the 300D is different. The dry hoses at the front connection broke apart and I don't know how to hook together. Has fouled with the tranny shifting and maybe the turbo. Thanks Alan Duff Knoxville, TN ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.comFor new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?
On 01/06/2012 1:56 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jun 1, 2012, at 12:32 PM, rdeaf...@aol.com wrote: Even my bodyshop friend said that I saved over 2 grand on the work I did .Strokes does many wonders !! I'll pass on the stroke, thanks. Rick Who sometimes IS a stroke... Sent from my iPhone Then, y'all be careful. Get your blood pressure checked out. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph
I hope I don't have to deal with that issue. I would have a problem. My poor old diesel won't stop unless I get out and push the lever under the hood. I might have to look for a pole to put the front bumper against and leave it in gear to keep the revs down while I got out to stop it. Randy who needs to fix the da*ned thing On 01/06/2012 2:33 PM, Larry T wrote: After a recent incident in my 91 300D I am even more skeptical of these unintended accelerations. As I accelerated up the on ramp the cruise control linkage dropped loose and became jammed against the engine keeping us at full acceleration. We were passing through 65 when I realized it and immediately applied the brakes. The brakes had no problem slowing the car as I pulled over to the side of the interstate. As I was almost stopped I turned the key off and we stopped with no drama.IIRC more cars have brakes designed to hold back twice as much HP as a car has. Then again, I think about the incredibly stupid public driving around loose in the US - LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph
I hope I don't have to deal with that issue. I would have a problem. My poor old diesel won't stop unless I get out and push the lever under the hood. I might have to look for a pole to put the front bumper against and leave it in gear to keep the revs down while I got out to stop it. Randy who needs to fix the da*ned thing I always like having the old diesels unhooked. That way I could push the start button in, lock the steering, take the key, lock the doors and walk away leaving it idle. The car was secure, un-maneuverable, and stayed warm in the winter for a short stop. I took a VW K-G hood cable, mounted it under the dash, and fastened the cable in where the shutoff was supposed to be. If I wanted to, then I could pull the knob and shut er down. Works great! Much better than the factory start-stop. 190Dc 200D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph
On 01/06/2012 4:01 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I hope I don't have to deal with that issue. I would have a problem. My poor old diesel won't stop unless I get out and push the lever under the hood. I might have to look for a pole to put the front bumper against and leave it in gear to keep the revs down while I got out to stop it. Randy who needs to fix the da*ned thing I always like having the old diesels unhooked. That way I could push the start button in, lock the steering, take the key, lock the doors and walk away leaving it idle. The car was secure, un-maneuverable, and stayed warm in the winter for a short stop. I took a VW K-G hood cable, mounted it under the dash, and fastened the cable in where the shutoff was supposed to be. If I wanted to, then I could pull the knob and shut er down. Works great! Much better than the factory start-stop. 190Dc 200D Very cool idea. I might just try that. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
Say what? Gas is under $4 now, some places probably under $3.50. 3 years ago was 2009, gas has been over $2 at least since 2005 which is as far back as I have record of in my fuel economy spreadsheet. I know I have records back to 2003 somewhere. So no, fuel prices have NOT doubled in the last 2 years, in 2005 I paid $2.57/gal for diesel, today I'm looking at $3.79, only $1.22 increase. There is more drilling now than there has been in the last who knows how long. Remember Drill baby drill from 4 years ago? Whats it done for us? Energy independence will not lower the price of gas one cent. -Curt Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:21:04 -0400 From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] tire opinion Message-ID: 4fc91620.2070...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Along with the spiraling deficit, fuel prices have doubled in the last 3 years and dragged everything with it. There's nothing that gets to the consumer without the use of fossil fuels - often more than once - for instance, a shipboard container, goes on a train then to a truck. I won't go into the vast fuel reserves we have within our borders - it's been well explained in the past -- with an halfway decent energy plan this country could be energy independent in a few years... LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fwd: Re: tire opinion e3u4ama3
Original Message Subject:Re: [MBZ] tire opinion Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:58:39 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com It's the War for Oil that has really brought prices down, what with all that oil the US has seized. --R On 6/1/12 5:47 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Say what? Gas is under $4 now, some places probably under $3.50. 3 years ago was 2009, gas has been over $2 at least since 2005 which is as far back as I have record of in my fuel economy spreadsheet. I know I have records back to 2003 somewhere. So no, fuel prices have NOT doubled in the last 2 years, in 2005 I paid $2.57/gal for diesel, today I'm looking at $3.79, only $1.22 increase. There is more drilling now than there has been in the last who knows how long. Remember Drill baby drill from 4 years ago? Whats it done for us? Energy independence will not lower the price of gas one cent. -Curt Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:21:04 -0400 From: Larry Tl02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] tire opinion Message-ID:4fc91620.2070...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Along with the spiraling deficit, fuel prices have doubled in the last 3 years and dragged everything with it. There's nothing that gets to the consumer without the use of fossil fuels - often more than once - for instance, a shipboard container, goes on a train then to a truck. I won't go into the vast fuel reserves we have within our borders - it's been well explained in the past -- with an halfway decent energy plan this country could be energy independent in a few years... LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph
80 Mph isn't fast On 6/1/2012 10:41, Randy Bennell wrote: Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast?? Randy On 31/05/2012 7:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car began accelerating against the driver's will and crashed into another car at the speed of 129 km/hsnip http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/17-05-2012/121154-hyundai_sonata-0/ ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5038 - Release Date: 06/01/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] And now for something entirely different
http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/jay-leno-goes-bollywood-gives-tata-nano-hot-143656002.html RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
The 123 tires have gotten pricey too, since they are falling out of favor. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:13, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Yeah but it seems that tires have not just gone up, they've about doubled since I last shopped (a couple of years ago). Seems that way, doesn't it? I just checked, my last order of 195/65-15 H rated Generals was $67.50 shipped in August of 2008. Now it's $87.25. If you factor in the $50 rebate I got, it's $55 vs $87.25. Not double, but still steep. What's double is going from 15 190D tires then to 16 E320 tires now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
Yeah, I put off buying some last year. Now I have to try to find some that will last more than a couple years for a low annual mileage cockaroach, uh I mean 240D. I need to clean out the interior, touch up some paint spots, put tars on and get it licensed, and it should be ready to go. I think I will look at kellys and coopers. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph
Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast?? Randy I do. My associate has one (2011 I think) and it goes fast and gets good gas mileage. It is the only car made in the last 30 years, outside a long 126, that I don't mind riding in the back seat. 32 to 25 mpg for a car that size is pretty good. Makes a 240D look like a gashog on a fuel cost per mile basis. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Petroleum prices [was: Re: tire opinion]
On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Say what? Gas is under $4 now, some places probably under $3.50. 3 years ago was 2009, gas has been over $2 at least since 2005 which is as far back as I have record of in my fuel economy spreadsheet. I know I have records back to 2003 somewhere. So no, fuel prices have NOT doubled in the last 2 years, in 2005 I paid $2.57/gal for diesel, today I'm looking at $3.79, only $1.22 increase. My records say prices peaked around 13 Jul 08; regular was $4.089/gal and diesel was $4.809/gal. Prices dropped to $1.589/gal for regular and $2.329/gal for diesel on 29 Dec 08. I'd attach a graph, but its larger than the 40 kilobyte approval limit (about 180 kB, actually) and would delay things. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Petroleum prices [was: Re: tire opinion] 0yhe3y7a
Jun 1, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: My records say prices peaked around 13 Jul 08; regular was $4.089/gal and diesel was $4.809/gal. Prices dropped to $1.589/gal for regular and $2.329/gal for diesel on 29 Dec 08. I'd attach a graph, but its larger than the 40 kilobyte approval limit (about 180 kB, actually) and would delay things. Here you go. http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pri_gnd_dcus_nus_w.htm Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
