Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

61x have overhead cam. Not push rods.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 6:26 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Dwight Giles 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Check my thinking on something
> 
> Was your 85 an OM 601 engine? The 60x engines are hydraulic lifters not push
> rods like the om61x. Right?
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Feb 21, 2018 6:10 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes"
> 
> wrote:
> 
> LOL, my '85 190D would just barely best 43mpg and I never once adjusted the
> valves ;) Best I ever did with a 240D was 32mpg. My Jetta regularly hits 
> 55mpg.
> I'd sure like to find another gen3 Jetta that isn't all rusted out...
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 5:53:02 PM EST, Randy Bennell via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> 
>  On 21/02/2018 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > What are the symptoms of not adjusting the valves on a diesel for a
> > long
> time?
> >
> > I'll explain in a bit after you guys either confirm or deny what I
> already thought.
> > -Curt
> > ___
> 
> AND, I have it on reliable authority, that properly adjusted valves are
> ABSOLUTELY necessary in order to consistently get over 40 MPG with these
> wonderful million mile engines.
> 
> RB (with tongue firmly in cheek!)
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[MBZ] Ban the cars

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

"ban the cars"

Cars kill far more teens than guns

"Ban Chicago"

Chicago kills more kids some weekends than were lost at the FL high 
school.   Chicago kills every week, week after week.


Ban Knives
Knives kill more kids than guns

"Ban Bathtubs"
Bathtubs are one of the leading killers in the USA.

Oh, sorry, facts and logic don't count.  only emote.  We have to "do 
something now!"  no matter how wrong and and even though it will "help" 
nothing.



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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Every "car inspection" done at the point of a gun is a scam.  DC, MD, 
IL, P.R. of HI, P.R. of Kollyfonia, they are all the same, a scam.




THat is worthy of going into the quotable Quote museum of the Okibenz 
hall of fame.   DC. "You will never find a more wretched hive of 
scum and villainy."   I would modify to DC and surrounds:

Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
February 21, 2018 at 10:06 AM
Having experienced both, you're wrong. MD is terminally infected by 
its proximity to DC. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum 
and villainy."

-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Maryland's car inspection is a total scam. DC is much better.

On Feb 21, 2018 8:06 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Having experienced both, you're wrong. MD is terminally infected by its
> proximity to DC. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and
> villainy."
> -Curt
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 10:58:39 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Curt - MD is  marginally more humane than MA.  By about 10 percent.
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 10:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> In my experience public servants are generally jerks. They've got a little
> power and love to use it. I forgot to renew the registration on the Ranger
> one time, Angie got pulled over for expired tags about 2 miles from our
> house. She had a totally clean license, the cop had the truck towed rather
> than just letting her go home and get a different car. Cost us nearly $500
> when it was all done with.
> For what? What level of public safety was increased by making my wife cry
> while her car was towed?
> -Curt
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 10:25:43 AM EST, Dan Penoff via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  That is a d*ck move if I ever heard one.  Our public servants are
> actually pretty good about stuff like this.  Like when I go to the Tax
> Collector (DMV) and they tell me how to do something to save myself a
> buck.  Example, when I moved back into the state since I had a license
> plate that hadn’t been turned in I was able to use that registration to
> skip paying a $225.00 administrative fee for bringing a car in from out of
> state.
>
> That saved me $675.00 when I moved back here.
>
> Glad I don’t live in MD.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Feb 21, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > That's good customer service. Around here, people  who drive their
> unregistered or expired tag cars to DMV to get the necessary documents or
> plates are routinely ticketed in the DMV parking lots.
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:10 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com  > wrote:
> > Any car brought in from out of state has to have the VIN verified when
> it is registered. It can be done by a Florida Notary Public, Licensed
> Dealer, Police Officer, or Florida Division of Motorist Services Employee
> or Tax Collector Employee. No fee involved, just fill out a form, inspect
> the vehicle and sign off.
> >
> > I have a good friend and neighbor who is an attorney that I usually hit
> up to do this, but we’ve got a new community service officer (CSO) and this
> gave me a chance to meet him.  Plus it also meant I didn’t have to drive
> the car the 3-4 blocks to go to my friend’s house, since it’s not currently
> registered.  I just called up our local sheriff’s substation and had them
> put the call into his rotation.  It’s a courtesy thing that LEO will do
> around here as time permits.
> >
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] Good idea or will it kill

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Nice article!

Driver-less cars, right around the corner!  And then, flying cars, in another 
five years...

I'm not holding my breath.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On February 22, 2018 9:57:39 PM EST, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>http://www.fastjetperformance.com/podcasts/why-fighter-pilots-know-that-quick-reactions-are-for-losers
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] I’m in love

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

In Japan, that is a BIG tractor.  Here, it is a tiny tractor.  Yanmar 
and satoh (and kubota) are pretty well made.  Unfortunately, the kubota 
is 95% 'merkinized, with lotsa advertising and marketing overhead. (and 
prices reflecting that)  Yanmars are now almost all painted green, also 
with big advertising and marketing overhead.  Satoh seems to have 
disappeared.  I's love to have a real little Japanese tractor, with the 
plates still in Japanese, not one made for the "merkun market with 3 
point hitch to use as a garden tractor (not a lawnmower)


Some of the IH and MF diesel garden tractors from the 70s are great 
little japanese tractors, but a lot of them don't have 3 pt hitch or 
PTO.   Once in a while I see a little kubota garden tractor for sale, 
but most of the sellers want silly money.   Most of the used "garden 
tractors" for sale now, are not;   They are just glorified lawnmowers.  
If you really want a lawnmower, the zero turns are best, or the really 
old one like Curt has is good.


A little 10-15 hp japanese 2 cyl diesel garden tractor with a tiller, 
disk, harrow and planter makes gardening for a family easy.  The 3 pt 
bushhog is  a good thing too, especially if you don't have a 40 to 125 
HP tractor to do that stuff.


If I were looking for something more recent, I'd look at Mahindra.  
Mahindra is the former International Harvester India.  Their 15-40 hp 
tractors have much in common with the old IH A, B, C, H and M tractors, 
with quite a few parts still interchangeable.


I ran a 45 HP kubota pulling a PTO air sprayer for a day.  The fan alone 
takes 45 HP at the PTO,  so the poor thing was overworked.  I ran the 
engine full bore all the time and drove it with the hydrostatic trans 
lever and the  brakes and steering wheel.  For being so underpowered (30 
GPM pump takes another 10-15 HP, plus a couple HP to move all the weight 
over the ground) I was impressed with how well it did.  On a downhill 
run I could get full RPM on everything, on the level it was maybe 90-95% 
rpm, and doing uphill, because it was a Diesel, it was maybe 80% rpm.  '


Most of the time we ran that sprayer with a 1530 JD that was also 
underpowered (45 HP) but most of the time we could keep the fan speed at 
100% with the JD.  I pulled the same sprayer with a MF 275 one year (75 
HP and it was great, except for going downhill was scary.  It had the 
equivalent of a TA, so the tractor would run away going downhill, unless 
you could hold it back with the brakes.  (No engine braking)  Most of 
the time I kept under a half tank for the hilly part, and if you 
remember to do it before starting downhill, there was a lever to lock 
the TA, so you would have engine braking.One time the ground was 
really wet and I remembered to lock up the TA.  I started down the hill, 
and the engine was braking.  Then the RR tire started spinning in 
reverse due to the open differential as we peeled off the sod and slid 
downhill.  I was really busy trying to make sure the thing did not 
jackknife and roll the tractor.   To keep it from jackknifing and 
rolling, I finally quit trying to hold it back, pushed the clutch and 
let the whole thing run away to the bottom of the hill, where I was able 
to get control again.   That was a scarier ride than when I rolled a 
tractor.


The next year I pulled the same sprayer with the yanmar (JD 5500) (80 
HP, with MFD).  It was a much lighter tractor with much smaller tires, 
and in place of being 7 ft wide, it was barely over 4' at 50" wide.  I 
was amazed at how it pulled the sprayer uphill and down in conditions so 
squishy that the tires pushed the sod down 4", but never broke the sod 
like the MF did.  It was a wonderful tractor.  It took half the fuel of 
either the MF or the JD 1530.  With $5.50/gal fuel, I really appreciated 
that fuel economy.   The MFD was  a pain at row ends, because it would 
not turn tight enough to turn into the next row, so I had to turn 
partway, then back up and go at the turn again to get into the next 
row.  That wasted a lot of time, but all in all the benefits outweighed 
the pain of not being able to turn tight enough.  In some blocks, I 
could develop a pattern of skip a row or 2, then pick up the skipped 
rows by skipping 3 or 2 at the other end.

Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
February 22, 2018 at 8:17 PM
I think a lot of Japanese farms use those little tractors, so they are 
like the old John Deeres -- tough as all getout and reliable as rain.


If I were rich.


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Re: [MBZ] Good idea or will it kill

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

RB wrote:
> Aircraft have been flying along on autopilot for a long while...

Driverless car seems to be a bad idea.  The pursuit of an algorithm
for everything seems foolish.  Along with you, Randy, call me old
fashioned or luddite.  Additionally, it seems that much convenience
can be realized in modern designs but not everything is stupid-proof.
Here is a life principle illustrated in military pilot actions - quite
interesting and instructive but not related to the topic of
driverless, probably.

http://www.fastjetperformance.com/podcasts/why-fighter-pilots-know-that-quick-reactions-are-for-losers

Respond rather than react is the professional military pilot training.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Sump pump

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Big pump in a little sump?  (Cue Chris Farley here...)

-- Jim
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[MBZ] Sump pump

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

A buddy replaced a sump pump the other day.  It seems to cycle very
short - 2 seconds "on" seems short.  The "off" time was very short
when first replaced since there was lotsa frozen water that was in
thaw.  Yesterday it was frozen again so "off" seemed normal, but 2
seconds for the "on" cycle seems unusually short.  For the past 30
years the places we have lived were/are high and dry with no need for
sump pump.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] I’m in love

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

--FT wrote:
> I have a friend who had this little 12 acre horse farm sort of place.
...
> She has let the place go...

> Yesterday I cut about an acre of these pine trees and other scrub that were 
> growing around the house.

Is there a caretaker for the place?
Does anyone live in the house?
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] I’m in love

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I think a lot of Japanese farms use those little tractors, so they are like the 
old John Deeres -- tough as all getout and reliable as rain.

If I were rich.
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[MBZ] I’m in love

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I have a friend who had this little 12 acre horse farm sort of place. I keep 
some of the projects there, Max has his bits there in the barn too. 

She has let the place go, and little pine trees have sprouted up over a lot of 
it. I’ve been mowing it to keep the grass down but the pine trees are taking 
over. 

So this other friend of ours says he has a little tractor with a bush hog I 
could borrow to cut this stuff down. Turns out it is a little 2cyl Yanmar 
diesel tractor, 4WD, paddle tires, low/high 3pd, 3spd PTO, maybe 4ft bush hog. 
It’s the real deal, just a basic solid well made blunt instrument. This thing 
is a total beast. It is unstoppable. It could probably climb right up a wall. 

Yesterday I cut about an acre of these pine trees and other scrub that were 
growing around the house. 3 low, 2300rpm, PTO in 2, the thing just slogged on 
and on cutting pine trees up to about 2in dia maybe 6-8ft tall. In 2 hours it 
burned about a gallon or gallon and a half of fuel. It mulched up almost 
everything, not much chunks of anything left. I was amazed at what it did. The 
blade has tremendous inertia like a big flywheel, a solid bar with flying 
blades on the end, very sharp. 

Another acre or so of stuff to cut, it gets boring but this little tractor is 
great fun. 

My buddy has been trying to find a little bucket loader/forks for it but they 
are very hard to find and pricey. I thought maybe he could find one in Japan 
and ship it over. I guess that would be pricey too. I feel like I want to go 
there and buy one, I am totally in love with this thing.

Love hurts!



--FT
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Re: [MBZ] Good idea or will it kill

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes, current aircraft are for the most part no different than they were 70
years ago. There are slow, minor improvements coming in instrumentation and
engine management that might bring us up to 1970's cars -
FAA regulation is largely to blame - keeping the public safe from anything
that hasn't been put through the approval cycle that adds MUCH money to the
costs of anything new.
Dealing with navigation, air traffic control, weather, and avoiding other
traffic can be a full time job, then add flying the airplane on top of that
- autopilots do most ot the later, allowing the pilot to focus on the first
items. Aircraft are often times traveling 2 to 4 times faster than a car .
. .
I love the results of the new ADS-B system - I can see other aircraft on
the screen LONG before I can visually locate them. It makes me feel
(perhaps wrongly?) much more secure in busy airspace (training areas around
airports, etc) - so improvement is coming, slowly.

So far, while everything is still working as new, the "smart assistance"
features in the Subaru are better than I am - telling me I'm getting close
to the lane lines, coming up on a car or other object too fast, etc. I
haven't let it try to keep me in the lane yet - it just yells at me if I'm
too close to the edge.

No, I'm not ready for a self-driving car, but I can see it coming. Of
course, the hackers will have a grand time with them, as very few of these
companies have any idea about security, and the parts will come from China
- who has a vested interest in hacking all things elsewhere.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 6:56 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Randy inquires:
>
> >‎So, if this 2 or 3 ton driverless hunk of >metal runs over your wife or
> >one of your children, who do you sue?
>
> Which is pretty much why private aircraft have made so few advancements in
> the last seventy years. Perhaps Ipads have replaced steam gauges, but to my
> understanding, that's about it. ‎Perhaps one of our private pilots can
> chime in on that. As far as autonomous vehicles, before that becomes a
> reality, Shakespeare's Henry Vl , Part 2, Act lV, Scene 2 will have to
> become a reality.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Good idea or will it kill

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yeah, and unfortunately, most of the airline  "pilots" are not real 
pilots, but computer tenders who've not got many hours in real (non 
computerized) flying, and learning/understanding flight dynamics.


I am reading a book about Rickenbacher, Doolittle and Lindberg.   I had 
never heard that lindy flew over 50 combat missions over the pacific, 
and the only reason he didn't in Yurp is because Eisenhower more or less 
told Lindy he'd lock him up if he tried to board a combat plane there.  
(Because Lindy knew details of Operation Overlord)

clay monroe via Mercedes 
February 22, 2018 at 6:56 PM
...

At least airplanes are not run by comput…….

Uh, never mind




clay

1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen


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Re: [MBZ] Good idea or will it kill

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Elon Musk dropped out of the Anti AI council.  His cars will have too much 
smartness, so he now has to protect us from them turning into SkyNet


clay 

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POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Feb 22, 2018, at 3:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It would have to be all electric.
> 
> On Feb 22, 2018 4:21 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> https://tinyurl.com/yaw7pkh8
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1986 SDL - Polei
>> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>> 
>> retired models-
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Good idea or will it kill

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

But the trains are run by computers already.  The big board know and controls 
all.  The guy in the engine is watching things, and trying to intercede if 
things go tragically wrong.  The Empire Builder train  (skAmtrak) had a 
repeating failure when it pulls into Spokane around Midnight.  The train is 
split, with the scenic cars going to PDX.  SEA is the front of the old train.  
When the cars split, the onboard computer craps itself and refuses to reboot, 
sometimes for hours on end.

Imagine what happens when your car poots a sprocket while zipping along the 
highway.  At least you only have two tons of death barreling down the road.  
That train, if it poops, will not stop for a great long distance.  No matter if 
it is just some drunk homeless guy, a kid on a bike, or a car on the tracks.  

At least airplanes are not run by comput…….

Uh, never mind




clay 

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1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Feb 22, 2018, at 2:47 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The thing I wonder about is why all the attention is being paid to driverless 
> cars. People are killed by often trains train drivers don't pay attention. 
> Trains seem like a perfect place to develop the technology, you don't have to 
> steer them after all...
> Probably the railroad has too powerful a union...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
>On Thursday, February 22, 2018, 5:14:49 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> So, if this 2 or 3 ton driverless hunk of metal runs over your wife or 
> one of your children, who do you sue? The owner who was asleep in the 
> back seat or the car manufacturer who built the thing?
> 
> Call me old fashioned, but I don't trust high tech all that much. What 
> happens when the sensors get dirty? My truck has a backup camera which 
> is a wonderful device but sometimes (like right now) it is so dirty as 
> to be useless.
> 
> Aircraft have been flying along on autopilot for a long while but 
> professional people who are well trained to react in an emergency are at 
> the controls ready to do their best to remedy any problem that may 
> arise. If problems do arise, there is a fair bit of room to manoeuvre up 
> there. Not so much on a 2 lane highway where one is only a few feet away 
> from the truck going the other direction. We know people will not 
> concentrate on the task of driving if the car is on autopilot. They 
> don't do so good now. They text etc when they should be paying 
> attention, so we cannot rely upon a "driver" in a driverless car to be 
> ready to take over if the electronics are not doing a good job of it. We 
> have already had the case of the Tesla owner who got himself killed by 
> not paying attention to what the car was doing.
> 
> RB
> 
> 
> On 22/02/2018 3:21 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:
>> https://tinyurl.com/yaw7pkh8
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
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>> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>> 
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>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Good idea or will it kill

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Randy inquires:

>‎So, if this 2 or 3 ton driverless hunk of >metal runs over your wife or 
>one of your children, who do you sue?

Which is pretty much why private aircraft have made so few advancements in the 
last seventy years. Perhaps Ipads have replaced steam gauges, but to my 
understanding, that's about it. ‎Perhaps one of our private pilots can chime in 
on that. As far as autonomous vehicles, before that becomes a reality, 
Shakespeare's Henry Vl , Part 2, Act lV, Scene 2 will have to become a reality. 

Rick
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[MBZ] Today's 400E Fun!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Fun with O2 sensors and wheel sensors…..

http://penoff.com/400E_Blog/400E_Blog.html

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Re: [MBZ] Good idea or will it kill

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

It would have to be all electric.

On Feb 22, 2018 4:21 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> https://tinyurl.com/yaw7pkh8
>
>
>
> clay
>
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Good idea or will it kill

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The thing I wonder about is why all the attention is being paid to driverless 
cars. People are killed by often trains train drivers don't pay attention. 
Trains seem like a perfect place to develop the technology, you don't have to 
steer them after all...
Probably the railroad has too powerful a union...

-Curt
 

On Thursday, February 22, 2018, 5:14:49 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 So, if this 2 or 3 ton driverless hunk of metal runs over your wife or 
one of your children, who do you sue? The owner who was asleep in the 
back seat or the car manufacturer who built the thing?

Call me old fashioned, but I don't trust high tech all that much. What 
happens when the sensors get dirty? My truck has a backup camera which 
is a wonderful device but sometimes (like right now) it is so dirty as 
to be useless.

Aircraft have been flying along on autopilot for a long while but 
professional people who are well trained to react in an emergency are at 
the controls ready to do their best to remedy any problem that may 
arise. If problems do arise, there is a fair bit of room to manoeuvre up 
there. Not so much on a 2 lane highway where one is only a few feet away 
from the truck going the other direction. We know people will not 
concentrate on the task of driving if the car is on autopilot. They 
don't do so good now. They text etc when they should be paying 
attention, so we cannot rely upon a "driver" in a driverless car to be 
ready to take over if the electronics are not doing a good job of it. We 
have already had the case of the Tesla owner who got himself killed by 
not paying attention to what the car was doing.

RB


On 22/02/2018 3:21 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:
> https://tinyurl.com/yaw7pkh8
>
>
>
> clay
>
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Good idea or will it kill

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

So, if this 2 or 3 ton driverless hunk of metal runs over your wife or 
one of your children, who do you sue? The owner who was asleep in the 
back seat or the car manufacturer who built the thing?


Call me old fashioned, but I don't trust high tech all that much. What 
happens when the sensors get dirty? My truck has a backup camera which 
is a wonderful device but sometimes (like right now) it is so dirty as 
to be useless.


Aircraft have been flying along on autopilot for a long while but 
professional people who are well trained to react in an emergency are at 
the controls ready to do their best to remedy any problem that may 
arise. If problems do arise, there is a fair bit of room to manoeuvre up 
there. Not so much on a 2 lane highway where one is only a few feet away 
from the truck going the other direction. We know people will not 
concentrate on the task of driving if the car is on autopilot. They 
don't do so good now. They text etc when they should be paying 
attention, so we cannot rely upon a "driver" in a driverless car to be 
ready to take over if the electronics are not doing a good job of it. We 
have already had the case of the Tesla owner who got himself killed by 
not paying attention to what the car was doing.


RB


On 22/02/2018 3:21 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:

https://tinyurl.com/yaw7pkh8



clay

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] CL idiot

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

OFFER is — I need to give this to a new home. 

WANTED - is for the specific items you desire

it is all free.  Some good stuff can be found, but lots of offers end up not 
being TAKEN


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Feb 22, 2018, at 1:47 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Andrew wrote:
>> FREECYCLE in my area is very picky.
> ...
>> And there is some great stuff on offers.
> 
> OFFER listings - does that mean things being given away FREE? or do
> OFFER listings mean give a price willing to be given?  i.e. if listed
> as OFFER can there be $$ exchanged?
> Thanks.
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Re: [MBZ] CL idiot

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:
> FREECYCLE in my area is very picky.
...
> And there is some great stuff on offers.

OFFER listings - does that mean things being given away FREE? or do
OFFER listings mean give a price willing to be given?  i.e. if listed
as OFFER can there be $$ exchanged?
Thanks.
tin.man

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[MBZ] Good idea or will it kill

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

https://tinyurl.com/yaw7pkh8



clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] CL idiot

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Well, I got a text back from the guy.  He decided to hold on to the not free 
stuff, and I picked up the rest.   Some of it garbage, but there is a Hella 
euro headlamp in adequate condition.  There is other stuff that is covered in 
oil, which I will need to cleanse before I can put in the parts area.  We had 
snow and cold overnight and will not be able to play with the hose for a few 
days.



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1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Feb 21, 2018, at 8:15 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:29:59 -0800 clay monroe via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I like when there is an ask for a high end item.   As if somebody is
>> going to willingly part with a new laptop or other pretty recent
>> item.   I guess it never hurts to try, but I have not seen anybody
>> actually respond.
> 
> I know the instructions for the Los Alamos group said to not do that.
> 
> I do see it time to time in the Albuquerque group.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 107 SL on BAT I might consider owning some day

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

This $300SEL I have is that color.  I kinda like it.

--R


On 2/22/18 11:10 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Love the color - desert taupe metallic - and the fact that it's the last
model year.

Expect bidding frenzy to send it toward $20K in the final hour.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-mercedes-benz-560sl-27/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-02-22
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[MBZ] 107 SL on BAT I might consider owning some day

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Love the color - desert taupe metallic - and the fact that it's the last
model year.

Expect bidding frenzy to send it toward $20K in the final hour.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-mercedes-benz-560sl-27/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-02-22
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Re: [MBZ] CL idiot

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

The demographics for our group cut across a wide swath of socioeconomics.  You 
would see people asking for clothing and stuff on a regular basis, but I had to 
put a stop to a lot of it, mainly because people would not make specific 
requests.  If you’re not familiar with FreeCycle, one of the tenets is to ask 
for specific items, not make a general request for something like “household 
goods” or “anything you can spare”.  This ends up having people try and turn 
the place into a charity, which is not the intent.

It was clear there were some who would try to get things just to resell them, 
which is also a no-no.  Same thing with pets. Most groups ban the FreeCycling 
of animals for this reason. Our group did the same, after a member was caught 
trying to sell puppies they had gotten (for free) from another member.

-D



> On Feb 21, 2018, at 11:15 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:29:59 -0800 clay monroe via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I like when there is an ask for a high end item.   As if somebody is
>> going to willingly part with a new laptop or other pretty recent
>> item.   I guess it never hurts to try, but I have not seen anybody
>> actually respond.
> 
> I know the instructions for the Los Alamos group said to not do that.
> 
> I do see it time to time in the Albuquerque group.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Kalling Kaleb

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Could be decent 

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> On Feb 21, 2018, at 10:37 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> A 240d Kaleb car
> 
> But may be solid enough to resurrect.
> 
> https://neworleans.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-240d/6485435233.html
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Re: [MBZ] Kalling Kaleb

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea, that’s the bad part

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> On Feb 21, 2018, at 10:56 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 22:37:52 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> A 240d Kaleb car
>> 
>> But may be solid enough to resurrect.
>> 
>> https://neworleans.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-240d/6485435233.html
> 
> 
> Northern California car ... clean Wisconsin title
> 
> valves need to be adjusted ... needs ether to start when cold
> 
> will need new glow plugs ... currently running off vegetable oil
> 
> 
> U .
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