Re: [MBZ] Climate control dims too much

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Guess I need to check this out - or does the base model ACC in the W211 even do 
this?

-D

> On Feb 21, 2024, at 7:44 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> I think there’s some way to adjust the brightness but I don’t recall 
> 
> --FT
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>> On Feb 21, 2024, at 10:28 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On my 2004 W211 E500, when the command lighting goes into "night" mode, the 
>> climate control display becomes way too dim. It's pretty much impossible to 
>> read unless it's actually dark outside. Since the "night" mode activates 
>> well before actual dark, this is annoying if I want to change anything, 
>> especially for my wife who fiddles with the temperature settings every 5 
>> minutes. Is there any way to make the dim mode a little brighter?
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[MBZ] A Rational Seller

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Not many of them around these days, or so it seems:2006 mercedes benz cls500 for sale by owner - Fort Myers, FL - craigslistfortmyers.craigslist.org-D___
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[MBZ] Nice Diesel?

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Re: [MBZ] Photography is not my strong suit - 2001 CLK320 - $500 (and others)

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We currently run an Azure environment. I’ve got a bunch of data scientists running their own environment in our tenant and they’re spinning stuff up daily. I’ve pointed out that every time they spin up a new instance of something the meter is running, but they don’t seem to care. Not sure who’s handling the accounting side of their stuff, but this just started a month or two ago, so I’m guessing they haven’t gotten the first invoice from Microsoft yet.-DOn Jun 18, 2021, at 10:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  wrote:Cap-ex vs Op-ex. When I first got out of college everything was supposed to be cap-ex. Buy hardware so we didn't have to spend people time on stuff. Now you're supposed to turn everything into op-ex. I've got a whole bunch of VM servers that would be great to train on but rather than getting me a $200/mo dedicated internet line we spend $2,000/mo in Microsoft Azure...-Curt  On Friday, June 18, 2021, 8:24:46 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  wrote:  But eventually someone has to buy the cars, which is less likely if they are overpriced.I'm sure it's some variant of the shit where they will pay more in operatingcosts, often many times over, rather than do a better job up front, becauseit would involve a slightly higher capital cost.  "Hey, not MY budget."  Evenif one corporate entity is who is paying ALL costs in the end.So, how you rig the game will result in how successful it is overall, over time.Ultimately I'm sure it's why big companies die, and small ones are formed.They get ossified and inefficient, and the new small sharks swoop in andeat the lunch, and eventually the carcass, of the big fish.  Ad infinitum.-- Jim___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] Engine number

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It does. Most won’t even acknowledge the existence of the VMI. Mine won’t let 
owners see it, and if a service writer catches you with one they freak out. I 
know because I showed one to a service writer for the now Okie E320 CDI to 
check for the sunroof recall and they freaked out. “Where did you get this? 
You’re not supposed to have this!!” Blah, blah blah.

I told the guy that I had been a commercial customer of theirs before he was 
born. Right then the GM walked by and said “Hi!” to me. That pretty much shut 
him down.

Hee.

-D

> On Jun 18, 2021, at 1:25 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> I had the $900 04E500 hauled to the stealer to fix the SBC pressure thingie 
> and asked some girl in the service area to run the VMI, she printed it right 
> off. Wasn’t a lot in it but there had been a fair amount of warranty work 
> done the first few years. Maybe it depends on the particular stealer. 
> 
> --FT
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>> On Jun 18, 2021, at 12:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Nope. Only place you would get that is in the Vehicle Master Inquiry (VMI), 
>> which Mercedes won’t give you in most cases. That and it only contains the 
>> events where a vehicle was serviced or seen by a dealer.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2021, at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Works great!  Is there also a site that includes MB dealer servicing
>>> records (other than Carfax)?
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 8:06 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>>> <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dimitri (and others):
>>>> 
>>>> If it’s a fairly modern car you can put the VIN into www.datamb.com 
>>>> <http://www.datamb.com/> <http://www.datamb.com/ <http://www.datamb.com/>> 
>>>> <
>>>> http://www.datamb.com/ <http://www.datamb.com/> <http://www.datamb.com/ 
>>>> <http://www.datamb.com/>>> and get the information.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2021, at 8:03 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you guys. You’re the best!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2021, at 7:18 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dan beat me to it!  And his numbers are correct, of course.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 7:12 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Engine should be: 602962 12 005092
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Transmission: 722418 02 912053
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -D
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 10:11 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> VIN: WDBEB28D0LB242197
>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 9:45 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Probably easier to find it on the data card.  Chat me the VIN and
>>>> i'll
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> it for you.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 9:42 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>>>>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Where do I find on om602 300D?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Engine number

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nope. Only place you would get that is in the Vehicle Master Inquiry (VMI), 
which Mercedes won’t give you in most cases. That and it only contains the 
events where a vehicle was serviced or seen by a dealer.

-D

> On Jun 18, 2021, at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Works great!  Is there also a site that includes MB dealer servicing
> records (other than Carfax)?
> 
> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 8:06 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Dimitri (and others):
>> 
>> If it’s a fairly modern car you can put the VIN into www.datamb.com 
>> <http://www.datamb.com/> <
>> http://www.datamb.com/ <http://www.datamb.com/>> and get the information.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2021, at 8:03 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you guys. You’re the best!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Jun 18, 2021, at 7:18 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dan beat me to it!  And his numbers are correct, of course.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 7:12 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Engine should be: 602962 12 005092
>>>>> 
>>>>> Transmission: 722418 02 912053
>>>>> 
>>>>> -D
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 10:11 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> VIN: WDBEB28D0LB242197
>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 9:45 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Probably easier to find it on the data card.  Chat me the VIN and
>> i'll
>>>>> get
>>>>>>> it for you.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 9:42 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Where do I find on om602 300D?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Engine number

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Dimitri (and others):

If it’s a fairly modern car you can put the VIN into www.datamb.com 
<http://www.datamb.com/> and get the information.

-D

> On Jun 18, 2021, at 8:03 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
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> Thank you guys. You’re the best!
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 18, 2021, at 7:18 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
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>> Dan beat me to it!  And his numbers are correct, of course.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 7:12 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Engine should be: 602962 12 005092
>>> 
>>> Transmission: 722418 02 912053
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 10:11 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> VIN: WDBEB28D0LB242197
>>>> Thank you!
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 9:45 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Probably easier to find it on the data card.  Chat me the VIN and i'll
>>> get
>>>>> it for you.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 9:42 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Where do I find on om602 300D?
>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Engine number

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Engine should be: 602962 12 005092

Transmission: 722418 02 912053

-D



> On Jun 17, 2021, at 10:11 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> VIN: WDBEB28D0LB242197
> Thank you!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 9:45 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Probably easier to find it on the data card.  Chat me the VIN and i'll get
>> it for you.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 9:42 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
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>>> Where do I find on om602 300D?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Poos needs to Martha this

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Beyond Marthaing. Martha should back up her Volvo into this and put it out of 
it’s misery.

-D

> On Jun 17, 2021, at 10:21 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/933615860754237/
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Re: [MBZ] Another One For Dan

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Saw it. Nothing older than 2000. The first couple model years had issues.

Thanks for pointing it out, though.

-D

> On Jun 17, 2021, at 7:02 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/thonotosassa-1998-mercedes-benz-ml-320/7338227334.html
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> A bit old, and about $1,500 too much. There really isn't much out there.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT proud papa

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True, but he was master of his domain.

-D

> On Jun 17, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Anyone recall that Seinfeld episode when George Costanza is selected as a 
> hand model? He's on cloud nine until he comes rudely down-to-earth due to an 
> unfortunate accident...
> 
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021, 3:24 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Wife’s breast surgeon, a self-professed “boob guy”, is into fishing and 
> Jeeps. Like many doctors, he has the mechanical agility of a small child. He 
> would come into the exam room with his hand/fingers bandaged up on a regular 
> basis, the result of him “changing the oil in the Jeep last weekend.”
> 
> Her reconstructive surgeon, who works directly with this guy and socializes 
> with him, often pondered to us as to why he would risk damaging his hands 
> since they’re how he makes a living…
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Jun 17, 2021, at 2:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > *Not really into expensive stuff although he did buy a pretty decent mtn
> > bike a year or so ago with money he made on moonlighting gigs. *
> > 
> > What does a surgeon do when moonlighting?  Volunteer in the ER?  Tutor
> > medical students?  Play in a jazz band?
> > 
> > On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 12:39 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> > 
> >> On 17/06/2021 11:35 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> It's kinda funny, he travels pretty light.  Not really into expensive
> >>> stuff although he did buy a pretty decent mtn bike a year or so ago
> >>> with money he made on moonlighting gigs.  Other than that he is pretty
> >>> basic in his wants.  It will be interesting to see how his lifestyle
> >>> develops *(or maybe he will take care of me!)*
> >>> 
> >>> --FT
> >> 
> >> 
> >> So, maybe he will buy you a bunch more old Mercedes. Be sure to hint
> >> openly.
> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] Becker radio codes

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The guy at the parts counter is probably looking up the VMI on his computer by 
searching the radio serial number field, I presume. Never asked if it’s 
searchable by the different fields in the document - I’ll ask next time I’m 
over there. It may also be searchable by the build sheet in the EPC, possibly.  
Still easiest way to get it is with the last 8 of the VIN.

-D

> On Jun 17, 2021, at 4:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I must have a good dealer then. I copy the serial number for the radio (or 
> maybe show the radio) and the guy at the parts counter gives me the code. I 
> must look honest.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021, 3:53 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Uh, yes it does. The code is in the VMI which is referenced by the VIN. You 
> give the dealer the VIN, they look up the VMI, which has the factory supplied 
> radio code in it.
> 
> That goes back well into the 1980s.
> 
> I’ve pasted a screen shot below of the VMI for my former 1990 350SDL’s VMI 
> with the radio code and serial number in it. As my posts with attachments 
> typically get stripped, it probably won’t show up, but I”m more than willing 
> to forward it to anyone who questions this.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jun 17, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > The radio code up to 199x has nothing to do with the VIN.
> > 
> > On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 9:38 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> >> On 2021-06-16 19:18, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> They need the VIN of the vehicle it was shipped in.
> >> 
> >> These days, just about everything you buy from a knackers (not a u-pull)
> >> has the VIN on the invoice. (and if you 'rebuild' a salvage car, you
> >> better have invoices for every part you used, with VINs on the paperwork
> >> for all used parts, or you're not getting a rebuilt title, at least not
> >> in Michigan)
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Re: [MBZ] OT. Omega Seamaster or a Rolex of Some Sort?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

My big brother has our Dad’s Longines self winder that he bought following 
WWII. Beautiful watch, very basic but with a timeless (no pun intended) design.

-D

> On Jun 17, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am partial to Vintage Longines,  Wittnauer, and Movado wrist watches.
> Especially the self-winding variety. I had a Grand Prix that would hold its
> time for 3 days after I took it off.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021, 4:31 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> When I feel that a watch will help me "look cool", I get my Dad's Accutron
>> -- I wear it about once every ten years - usually needs a new battery.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 3:24 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I used to buy really, really nice Rolex (and other) knockoffs in Taiwan
>>> and Singapore in the 90s. I would bring them back and hand them out as
>>> gifts to friends. Good quality ones with solid Seiko movements were
>> around
>>> $40 on the street. I showed one to our jeweler neighbor in WI and he was
>>> really surprised at the quality.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 4:19 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> And a few fake Rolex watches!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 17/06/2021 3:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> Amen! For that you could buy two or more…
>>>>> 
>>>>> -D
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just as I suggested earlier - Don't buy a Rolex - Buy a good classic
>>> Mercedes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Randy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 17/06/2021 3:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>>> Holy mother of pearl! My former watch now sells new for $40k! That’s
>>> totally insane.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -D
>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT. Omega Seamaster or a Rolex of Some Sort?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I used to buy really, really nice Rolex (and other) knockoffs in Taiwan and 
Singapore in the 90s. I would bring them back and hand them out as gifts to 
friends. Good quality ones with solid Seiko movements were around $40 on the 
street. I showed one to our jeweler neighbor in WI and he was really surprised 
at the quality.

-D

> On Jun 17, 2021, at 4:19 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> And a few fake Rolex watches!
> 
> 
> On 17/06/2021 3:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Amen! For that you could buy two or more…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just as I suggested earlier - Don't buy a Rolex - Buy a good classic 
>>> Mercedes.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
>>> On 17/06/2021 3:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> Holy mother of pearl! My former watch now sells new for $40k! That’s 
>>>> totally insane.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT. Omega Seamaster or a Rolex of Some Sort?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Amen! For that you could buy two or more…

-D

> On Jun 17, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just as I suggested earlier - Don't buy a Rolex - Buy a good classic Mercedes.
> 
> Randy
> 
> On 17/06/2021 3:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Holy mother of pearl! My former watch now sells new for $40k! That’s totally 
>> insane.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT. Omega Seamaster or a Rolex of Some Sort?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Holy mother of pearl! My former watch now sells new for $40k! That’s totally 
insane.

-D

> On Jun 17, 2021, at 4:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It’s a “Day-Date” 40 in white gold, a somewhat plebeian Rolex that is nice 
> but not over the top like the models in the Professional line. I wanted a 
> Rolex but didn’t want some super fancy version that I was going to get mugged 
> for. The Oyster Perpetual is a nice basic one, too, without the day/date 
> functions. I bought mine back in the early 1990s.
> 
> I will say that I found Rolexs’ don’t seem to be held in high regard by most 
> watch people. They require regular maintenance and can be easily buggered up 
> by an untrained repair person. Shane more or less reconditioned mine after it 
> sat for easily a decade. I gave it to the youngest son, who doesn’t wear it 
> now, either. At least not often, as far as I know. Just like Dad!
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 3:53 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, bud. I will likely call him. 
>> So Dan, what made you choose the particular Rolex you no longer wear? 
>> 
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 12:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>> <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, knock me over with a feather! Shane has a web site, but you still 
>>> have to call him if you want to make contact.
>>> 
>>> http://torontowatchrepair.ca/ <http://torontowatchrepair.ca/> 
>>> <http://torontowatchrepair.ca/ <http://torontowatchrepair.ca/>> 
>>> <http://torontowatchrepair.ca/ <http://torontowatchrepair.ca/> 
>>> <http://torontowatchrepair.ca/ <http://torontowatchrepair.ca/>>>
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 3:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Richarde pops up on the Vet’s list every once in a while. You could always 
>>>> call Shane, his watch guy in Toronto. He would gladly speak to you and 
>>>> give recommendations, and who better since he makes a living fixing high 
>>>> end timepieces. No email or Internet, he’s totally old school. Phone or 
>>>> snail mail only.
>>>> 
>>>> If you want his contact information let me know. Nice guy, easy to speak 
>>>> with, definitely a subject matter expert many times over. Did a heck of a 
>>>> job on a rebuild for a Rolex I have that I no longer wear.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 3:22 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are many times I don’t have my phone with me. Several years ago 
>>>>> Santa brought my an Apple Watch 3, that usurped my Shinola for everyday 
>>>>> use. I am so over the Apple Watch; seems silly to have, essentially, a 
>>>>> second phone on your wrist. 
>>>>> I feel I want something nice and substantial to wear to know the 
>>>>> time….maybe. It seems most of the watch guys are long gone. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> AZBob
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 11:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Sure but a watch is a lot classier than a cell phone. Which reminds me 
>>>>>> I should have worn my watch to the office today. I normally don't wear 
>>>>>> it because I can't be trusted to not put it into harms way...
>>>>>> -Curt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 12:17:52 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>>>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You don't need a watch if you carry a cellphone.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Buy yourself a nice classic Mercedes diesel.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Randy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 16/06/2021 8:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>>> Without Jabba to chime in it will be slightly more pedestrian.
>>>>>>> Since my company, to whom I whor

Re: [MBZ] OT. Omega Seamaster or a Rolex of Some Sort?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s a “Day-Date” 40 in white gold, a somewhat plebeian Rolex that is nice but 
not over the top like the models in the Professional line. I wanted a Rolex but 
didn’t want some super fancy version that I was going to get mugged for. The 
Oyster Perpetual is a nice basic one, too, without the day/date functions. I 
bought mine back in the early 1990s.

I will say that I found Rolexs’ don’t seem to be held in high regard by most 
watch people. They require regular maintenance and can be easily buggered up by 
an untrained repair person. Shane more or less reconditioned mine after it sat 
for easily a decade. I gave it to the youngest son, who doesn’t wear it now, 
either. At least not often, as far as I know. Just like Dad!

-D

> On Jun 17, 2021, at 3:53 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, bud. I will likely call him. 
> So Dan, what made you choose the particular Rolex you no longer wear? 
> 
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 12:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, knock me over with a feather! Shane has a web site, but you still 
>> have to call him if you want to make contact.
>> 
>> http://torontowatchrepair.ca/ <http://torontowatchrepair.ca/> 
>> <http://torontowatchrepair.ca/ <http://torontowatchrepair.ca/>>
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 3:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Richarde pops up on the Vet’s list every once in a while. You could always 
>>> call Shane, his watch guy in Toronto. He would gladly speak to you and give 
>>> recommendations, and who better since he makes a living fixing high end 
>>> timepieces. No email or Internet, he’s totally old school. Phone or snail 
>>> mail only.
>>> 
>>> If you want his contact information let me know. Nice guy, easy to speak 
>>> with, definitely a subject matter expert many times over. Did a heck of a 
>>> job on a rebuild for a Rolex I have that I no longer wear.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 3:22 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> There are many times I don’t have my phone with me. Several years ago 
>>>> Santa brought my an Apple Watch 3, that usurped my Shinola for everyday 
>>>> use. I am so over the Apple Watch; seems silly to have, essentially, a 
>>>> second phone on your wrist. 
>>>> I feel I want something nice and substantial to wear to know the 
>>>> time….maybe. It seems most of the watch guys are long gone. 
>>>> 
>>>> AZBob
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 11:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Sure but a watch is a lot classier than a cell phone. Which reminds me 
>>>>> I should have worn my watch to the office today. I normally don't wear it 
>>>>> because I can't be trusted to not put it into harms way...
>>>>> -Curt
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 12:17:52 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:  
>>>>> 
>>>>> You don't need a watch if you carry a cellphone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Buy yourself a nice classic Mercedes diesel.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Randy
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 16/06/2021 8:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>> Without Jabba to chime in it will be slightly more pedestrian.
>>>>>> Since my company, to whom I whored out the last 38 years of my life, has 
>>>>>> never done service awards or does nothing for someone retiring, I’m 
>>>>>> thinking of buying myself a retirement gift.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> AZBob
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Becker radio codes

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Uh, yes it does. The code is in the VMI which is referenced by the VIN. You 
give the dealer the VIN, they look up the VMI, which has the factory supplied 
radio code in it.

That goes back well into the 1980s.

I’ve pasted a screen shot below of the VMI for my former 1990 350SDL’s VMI with 
the radio code and serial number in it. As my posts with attachments typically 
get stripped, it probably won’t show up, but I”m more than willing to forward 
it to anyone who questions this.

-D




> On Jun 17, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The radio code up to 199x has nothing to do with the VIN.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 9:38 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2021-06-16 19:18, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> They need the VIN of the vehicle it was shipped in.
>> 
>> These days, just about everything you buy from a knackers (not a u-pull)
>> has the VIN on the invoice. (and if you 'rebuild' a salvage car, you
>> better have invoices for every part you used, with VINs on the paperwork
>> for all used parts, or you're not getting a rebuilt title, at least not
>> in Michigan)
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Re: [MBZ] OT OK this just really p1$$e$ me off to no end

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Local Frod dealer does this in their “$25 quicky oil change lane. When I used 
to have a couple of Focii in the stable I would take them there for oil 
changes, as it was cheaper than the local oil change place, and I knew the 
materials would be better quality. A couple of times they went through the hard 
core upsell thing until I told them I was a former NIASE certified mechanic 
that didn’t currently have a place to the do the work myself. After that I just 
got the, “Hey, looks like you’ve got a worn belt, want us to change it?” and we 
were good. And I had them do some minor work, as I didn’t have time or a place 
to do it then.

I agree, however, it’s clear they prey on various types of people to get work 
into the shop.

-D

> On Jun 17, 2021, at 3:23 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is how service writers make money. They intimidate and they pick on 
> people that they think don't know any better, especially women.
> I had my mother's 2008 Honda Civic with 22,000 kilometers on it, for a while 
> a couple of years ago. It got recalled for the air bag inflators so I went to 
> the dealer.
> They insisted on having the exact mileage so I read it out to him in the 
> drive through bay. He informed me that it needed an alignment. I told him I 
> did not really think so.
> He did his best to persuade me and when I declined he insisted I sign a 
> waiver because it was dangerous not to do it and he did not want the 
> dealership to be liable.
> I told him my son was a red seal licenced auto tech and I would discuss the 
> matter with him. Then he gave up.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 17/06/2021 2:11 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> A lady friend takes her 08? (I think) Nissan Armada 186kmi, to the stealer 
>> for her free oil change (for life!), and this vid is what she gets along 
>> with a quote for $5k to go through and basically do everything, change 
>> trans, PS, rear diff fluids, $900, $1658 to replace valve cover gaskets, 
>> $150 to replace tie rod boots, $423 to replace those AC o-rings, $850 to 
>> replace UCA boots, $278 for an "oil cooler" o-ring. $5k total, she freaked 
>> out. Looking at the list there is nothing particularly compelling, the AC 
>> probably needs to be fixed but that is like an hour job if you have an AC 
>> machine, the fluids and such are a PITA but no big deal.  Oh and $350 to put 
>> in a new fog light ($75 part)...
>> 
>> This is so crazy.  She was freaking out, trying to figure out how to sell 
>> this thing and come up with enough money to buy something newer.  I look at 
>> this sh*t and tell her to calm down, fix the AC if it is not BLOWING ICE 
>> COLD and deal with the other stuff if need be, or just drive the thing 
>> another 10 years...  Plus a buddy works for a good indy not far from where 
>> she lives, take it to him and get the AC fixed and keep driving...
>> 
>> https://video.37483.net/timeline/pc3kD2VD
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT. Omega Seamaster or a Rolex of Some Sort?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Well, knock me over with a feather! Shane has a web site, but you still have to 
call him if you want to make contact.

http://torontowatchrepair.ca/ <http://torontowatchrepair.ca/>

-D

> On Jun 17, 2021, at 3:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Richarde pops up on the Vet’s list every once in a while. You could always 
> call Shane, his watch guy in Toronto. He would gladly speak to you and give 
> recommendations, and who better since he makes a living fixing high end 
> timepieces. No email or Internet, he’s totally old school. Phone or snail 
> mail only.
> 
> If you want his contact information let me know. Nice guy, easy to speak 
> with, definitely a subject matter expert many times over. Did a heck of a job 
> on a rebuild for a Rolex I have that I no longer wear.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 3:22 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There are many times I don’t have my phone with me. Several years ago Santa 
>> brought my an Apple Watch 3, that usurped my Shinola for everyday use. I am 
>> so over the Apple Watch; seems silly to have, essentially, a second phone on 
>> your wrist. 
>> I feel I want something nice and substantial to wear to know the 
>> time….maybe. It seems most of the watch guys are long gone. 
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 11:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Sure but a watch is a lot classier than a cell phone. Which reminds me I 
>>> should have worn my watch to the office today. I normally don't wear it 
>>> because I can't be trusted to not put it into harms way...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>  On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 12:17:52 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:  
>>> 
>>> You don't need a watch if you carry a cellphone.
>>> 
>>> Buy yourself a nice classic Mercedes diesel.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
>>>> On 16/06/2021 8:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> Without Jabba to chime in it will be slightly more pedestrian.
>>>> Since my company, to whom I whored out the last 38 years of my life, has 
>>>> never done service awards or does nothing for someone retiring, I’m 
>>>> thinking of buying myself a retirement gift.
>>>> 
>>>> AZBob
>>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT. Omega Seamaster or a Rolex of Some Sort?

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Richarde pops up on the Vet’s list every once in a while. You could always call 
Shane, his watch guy in Toronto. He would gladly speak to you and give 
recommendations, and who better since he makes a living fixing high end 
timepieces. No email or Internet, he’s totally old school. Phone or snail mail 
only.

If you want his contact information let me know. Nice guy, easy to speak with, 
definitely a subject matter expert many times over. Did a heck of a job on a 
rebuild for a Rolex I have that I no longer wear.

-D

> On Jun 17, 2021, at 3:22 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> There are many times I don’t have my phone with me. Several years ago Santa 
> brought my an Apple Watch 3, that usurped my Shinola for everyday use. I am 
> so over the Apple Watch; seems silly to have, essentially, a second phone on 
> your wrist. 
> I feel I want something nice and substantial to wear to know the time….maybe. 
> It seems most of the watch guys are long gone. 
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 11:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Sure but a watch is a lot classier than a cell phone. Which reminds me I 
>> should have worn my watch to the office today. I normally don't wear it 
>> because I can't be trusted to not put it into harms way...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 12:17:52 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> You don't need a watch if you carry a cellphone.
>> 
>> Buy yourself a nice classic Mercedes diesel.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>>> On 16/06/2021 8:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Without Jabba to chime in it will be slightly more pedestrian.
>>> Since my company, to whom I whored out the last 38 years of my life, has 
>>> never done service awards or does nothing for someone retiring, I’m 
>>> thinking of buying myself a retirement gift.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT proud papa

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Wife’s breast surgeon, a self-professed “boob guy”, is into fishing and Jeeps. 
Like many doctors, he has the mechanical agility of a small child. He would 
come into the exam room with his hand/fingers bandaged up on a regular basis, 
the result of him “changing the oil in the Jeep last weekend.”

Her reconstructive surgeon, who works directly with this guy and socializes 
with him, often pondered to us as to why he would risk damaging his hands since 
they’re how he makes a living…

-D

> On Jun 17, 2021, at 2:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> *Not really into expensive stuff although he did buy a pretty decent mtn
> bike a year or so ago with money he made on moonlighting gigs. *
> 
> What does a surgeon do when moonlighting?  Volunteer in the ER?  Tutor
> medical students?  Play in a jazz band?
> 
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 12:39 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 17/06/2021 11:35 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>> It's kinda funny, he travels pretty light.  Not really into expensive
>>> stuff although he did buy a pretty decent mtn bike a year or so ago
>>> with money he made on moonlighting gigs.  Other than that he is pretty
>>> basic in his wants.  It will be interesting to see how his lifestyle
>>> develops *(or maybe he will take care of me!)*
>>> 
>>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>> So, maybe he will buy you a bunch more old Mercedes. Be sure to hint
>> openly.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Brain damage

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I think they were snorting it.

And why would you put a Cummins sticker on an MB? To make people think there 
was a 4BT under the hood??

-D

> On Jun 17, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> From drinkin' too much corn likkah!
> 
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 2:17 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/847887612815004/
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT. Omega Seamaster or a Rolex of Some Sort?

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That’s why I stopped wearing watches, even before cellphones became common. I 
tended to bang them up.

I like the Apple watch for the health and fitness tracking features, but not 
enough to wear one.

-D

> On Jun 17, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sure but a watch is a lot classier than a cell phone. Which reminds me I 
> should have worn my watch to the office today. I normally don't wear it 
> because I can't be trusted to not put it into harms way...
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 12:17:52 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> You don't need a watch if you carry a cellphone.
> 
> Buy yourself a nice classic Mercedes diesel.
> 
> Randy
> 
> On 16/06/2021 8:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> Without Jabba to chime in it will be slightly more pedestrian.
>> Since my company, to whom I whored out the last 38 years of my life, has 
>> never done service awards or does nothing for someone retiring, I’m thinking 
>> of buying myself a retirement gift.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT proud papa

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Awesome! Congrats!

Makes it all worthwhile, doesn’t it?

-D

> On Jun 17, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The boy child graduated his pulmonary critical care fellowship at Stanford 
> yesterday as Chief Fellow. Off to DC area for “real” job in a few weeks. If 
> you’re ever in Fairfax VA and find yourself dying, look him up!
> 
> Somehow I guess I managed to raise him fairly good. 
> 
> Oh, and he drove his 84 300SD for a few years...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT. Omega Seamaster or a Rolex of Some Sort?

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Sage advice.

-D

> On Jun 17, 2021, at 1:04 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Once you retire, why would you ever want to look at a watch or clock again,
> are you going to be late for work?
> 
> Buy a nice fishing rod instead, or something you will truly enjoy.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 6:32 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Without Jabba to chime in it will be slightly more pedestrian.
>> Since my company, to whom I whored out the last 38 years of my life, has
>> never done service awards or does nothing for someone retiring, I’m
>> thinking of buying myself a retirement gift.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Becker radio codes

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They need the VIN of the vehicle it was shipped in.

-D

> On Jun 16, 2021, at 7:17 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Or you can call MBUSA and they will give it to you
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 6/16/21 6:57 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Rick,
>> 
>> Email me the serial number and I’ll get you the code.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 16, 2021, at 6:55 PM, Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon 
>>> via Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Folks
>>> 
>>> I am still alive on Tybee Island
>>> 
>>> I bought a $25 sprinter radio ... Becker  with of course no code
>>> 
>>> I am told that there is a .pdf with all the serial numbers and codes, does 
>>> anyone have that?
>>> 
>>> I hope you are all well
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Becker radio codes

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Rick,

Email me the serial number and I’ll get you the code.

-D

> On Jun 16, 2021, at 6:55 PM, Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
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> Folks
> 
> I am still alive on Tybee Island
> 
> I bought a $25 sprinter radio ... Becker  with of course no code
> 
> I am told that there is a .pdf with all the serial numbers and codes, does 
> anyone have that?
> 
> I hope you are all well
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Issue......Online Parts Vendor www.mercedesgenuineparts.com !

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Clay,

I think you’re talking about the guys in Oregon who strip older cars, like 
W123s. This is a dealer that’s selling online using the Mercedes Rev Parts web 
front end.

-D

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 8:52 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Poos has had run in with this fellow.  So has Kent Bergsma.  I did give a 
> thought to using their serviced a few years back, but declined due to the 
> excessive pricing and lack of integrity of the vendor.  He destroys cars that 
> could remain on the road and prices things close to retail.
> 
> Clay
> 
> 
> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 4:41 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I vaguely recall something about some parts vendor going out of business, 
>> not sure if it is that one or not
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> On 6/15/21 8:17 AM, Robert Koziak via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> Anyone purchase Mercedes parts from an online vendor 
>>> www.mercedesgenuineparts.com?  I purchased a Genuine Mercedes belt 
>>> tensioner and pulley for my 2004 Mercedes 320E on April 30th and they 
>>> arrived on May 13th.  I decided not to change the tensioner so I called the 
>>> company and they said to send it back and they would refund the cost minus 
>>> the shipping.
>>> I sent it back priority mail with delivery confirmation.  It was 
>>> received on May 20th and I called to confirm that it was received and find 
>>> out when I would be reimbursed.  The phone number listed on the website now 
>>> goes directly to voicemail with no voice message and emails go unanswered.  
>>> I tried a few letters vis US Mail with no luck either.
>>> After weeks of daily calls and emails I assumed the company went out of 
>>> business and I was out the over $200.   It's frustrating so I wanted to 
>>> warn others about this vendor. The website is active and you can still 
>>> place orders???
>>>Any suggestions?
>>> Vendor:   www.mercedesgenuineparts.com9275 S.W. Canyon RoadPortland OR, 
>>> 97225(503) 296-1747
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[MBZ] Words Don't Describe This

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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/517507812718884/ 


For those without FB access, it’s a 200 E320 wagon with 200K in lousy shape and 
an ugly woman posing seductively in front of it. For $10k.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] OT reverse crank call - missed oportunity

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Exactly. But they have been known to show up in person if you dodge them. I 
worked for a guy who failed to pay his employee’s withholding taxes for some 
time, and regularly dodged the collection calls. One day (after I had left his 
employ) a GSA car rolls up, two IRS employees get out, walk in, tell everyone 
to leave after which they padlocked the doors and posted an order of attachment.

“Vishing” is the practice of calling someone and claiming to be someone you’re 
not to get money out of them, such as posing as an IRS agent and threatening 
the recipient with arrest if they don’t whip out their credit card and pay the 
“taxes owed”.

“Voice phishing”.

-D

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 6:40 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Basically the IRS will never call you cold. Maybe they will if it's
> regarding an ongoing matter. They will always initiate contact by
> mail. Or so has been my experience.
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Here is a reference to it in IRS docs:
>> 
>> https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/how-to-know-its-really-the-irs-calling-or-knocking-on-your-door
>> 
>> Buddy in the DIA also has something similar that they use when challenged, 
>> often when doing security clearance checks. The old “door to door” thing 
>> where they chat up my neighbors and ask them if you would trust me with the 
>> secrets of the country and if I am doing anything wild or bizarre. With a 
>> number of neighbors who are contractors at MacDill AFB with TS clearances, I 
>> get them every year or two when someone’s clearance needs to be renewed.
>> 
>> I check credentials and validate them every time. They’re usually quite 
>> gracious about it, too. 
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT reverse crank call - missed oportunity

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Here is a reference to it in IRS docs:

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/how-to-know-its-really-the-irs-calling-or-knocking-on-your-door
 


Buddy in the DIA also has something similar that they use when challenged, 
often when doing security clearance checks. The old “door to door” thing where 
they chat up my neighbors and ask them if you would trust me with the secrets 
of the country and if I am doing anything wild or bizarre. With a number of 
neighbors who are contractors at MacDill AFB with TS clearances, I get them 
every year or two when someone’s clearance needs to be renewed.

I check credentials and validate them every time. They’re usually quite 
gracious about it, too. 

-D

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 6:18 PM, greg via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Um...this is the first I've heard of this. Apparently this directive was
> issued in '04, and I retired in '08 after 32 years in DOJ and DHS.
> 
> From what I see on the 'netz, the order is about consistency of
> credentials; so to be able to confirm identity from looking at
> credentials.
> 
> I'm not sure how this could be done by phone.
> 
> When I was "on the job" I would sometimes ask for their boss's name, then
> call the publicly available number and ask to speak to that person.
> 
> One time a manager asked me to help a female Interpol agent. My spidey
> senses were tingling a little, so I told her I had never seen Interpol
> creds and was curious. She was a phony!
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
>> I just ask them for their HSPD-12 ID information.
>> 
>> U.S. Government employees, such as with the IRS or other agencies are
>> provided an HSPD-12 upon employment for verification of their employment.
>> On the HSPD-12 is a number you can call to give the information on the
>> HSPD-12 to and get a confirmation that the person is a real U.S.
>> Government employee.
>> 
>> They typically donâ?Tt have any idea of what Iâ?Tm talking about so they
>> hang up.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So I just got a robocall from the Federal Reserve, there has been some
>>> illegal activity on my accounts, press 1 to speak to a Federal Reserve
>>> Officer.
>>> 
>>> OK, this could be FUN! I press 1...
>>> 
>>> And they drop the call.  Darn!  I was all ready with "Special Agent
>>> Kellog
>>> here, FBI Charleston, what seems to be the problem?"
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Re: [MBZ] OT reverse crank call - missed oportunity

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I just ask them for their HSPD-12 ID information.

U.S. Government employees, such as with the IRS or other agencies are provided 
an HSPD-12 upon employment for verification of their employment. On the HSPD-12 
is a number you can call to give the information on the HSPD-12 to and get a 
confirmation that the person is a real U.S. Government employee.

They typically don’t have any idea of what I’m talking about so they hang up.

-D

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So I just got a robocall from the Federal Reserve, there has been some
> illegal activity on my accounts, press 1 to speak to a Federal Reserve
> Officer.
> 
> OK, this could be FUN! I press 1...
> 
> And they drop the call.  Darn!  I was all ready with "Special Agent Kellog
> here, FBI Charleston, what seems to be the problem?"
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Re: [MBZ] Issue......Online Parts Vendor www.mercedesgenuineparts.com !

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Bob,

Glad you were able to work things out.

For reference, all of those pretty but consistent looking web sites you see out 
there for Mercedes parts are nothing more than a web “front end” that Mercedes 
offers to it’s dealers for online parts sales call “Revolution Parts”, often 
abbreviated as “RevParts”. Each dealer has to maintain the inventory offered on 
their respective instance as well as determining the pricing model to use as 
well. Because the domains they use for these sites don’t necessarily tie back 
to the dealer who is hosting it, it can be difficult to determine who is 
actually behind it.

-D


> On Jun 15, 2021, at 11:58 AM, Robert Koziak  wrote:
> 
> Dan,
> 
>   Thanks for the information!  I did call Mercedes Benz of Beaverton Oregon 
> and spoke to a parts manager who was very helpful and will resolve the issue. 
>  Apparently there are major issues with their website and it's management!  
> The website makes no mention of it's affiliation with Mercedes Benz of 
> Beaverton Oregon?
> 
> I failed to mention I did contact Mercedes Benz of America customer support a 
> few weeks ago and forwarded all information about the website.   They said 
> they couldn't help because it was an independent seller.   The only advise 
> they gave me was to order directly from Mercedes Benz dealers in the 
> futureamazing!!!
> 
> Bob K
> 
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> To: Okie Benz 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Sent: Tue, Jun 15, 2021 8:57 am
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Issue..Online Parts Vendor 
> www.mercedesgenuineparts.com !
> 
> That’s the OE front end (RevParts) for all dealers. This one just happens to 
> belong to Mercedes-Benz of Beaverton, OR. I would call them directly and ask 
> for the accounting department. 971.340.4589
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Jun 15, 2021, at 8:17 AM, Robert Koziak via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > 9275 S.W. Canyon RoadPortland OR
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Re: [MBZ] Issue......Online Parts Vendor www.mercedesgenuineparts.com !

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As long as it’s been 30 days or less, I believe.

-D

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 11:53 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Any major credit card company will refund your payment when you explain what 
> happened.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 8:58 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> That’s the OE front end (RevParts) for all dealers. This one just happens to 
> belong to Mercedes-Benz of Beaverton, OR. I would call them directly and ask 
> for the accounting department. 971.340.4589
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Jun 15, 2021, at 8:17 AM, Robert Koziak via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > 9275 S.W. Canyon RoadPortland OR
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Re: [MBZ] Issue......Online Parts Vendor www.mercedesgenuineparts.com !

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That’s the OE front end (RevParts) for all dealers. This one just happens to 
belong to Mercedes-Benz of Beaverton, OR. I would call them directly and ask 
for the accounting department. 971.340.4589

-D


> On Jun 15, 2021, at 8:17 AM, Robert Koziak via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 9275 S.W. Canyon RoadPortland OR

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Re: [MBZ] EVERYONE GETS THE SAME LOW PRICE. 2016 MERCEDES E350 4MATIC ROSE GOLD 54K MILES - $29, 950 (S. RALEIGH / GARNER)

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I think the photo is messed up. The sills and edges look fine in the next 
picture. Maybe.

-D

> On Jun 14, 2021, at 3:40 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2021-06-14 12:34, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I texted them yesterday asking for the VIN so I could run a CarFax. I
>> got a response - “As-is, where is - no CarFax”.
> 
> You think the Carfax would tell you who, or at least when, painted the left 
> side of it?
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Re: [MBZ] EVERYONE GETS THE SAME LOW PRICE. 2016 MERCEDES E350 4MATIC ROSE GOLD 54K MILES - $29, 950 (S. RALEIGH / GARNER)

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Agreed. With an ad like that my expectations were low right out of the gate.

-D

> On Jun 14, 2021, at 3:10 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> No, I completely agree. I was just saying that when I see "As-is, where-is" 
> in an ad it is a red flag for me, and this just confirms it.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> I would assume much the same, but that doesn’t mean you have to be a douche 
>> about it. I texted, asking for the VIN and if there were any issues with the 
>> top hydraulics, and that was the response I got. They could of just as 
>> easily replied that I can come and look at it. I get being lazy, but not 
>> being a d*ck - at least when you’re trying to get people to buy something 
>> you’re selling.
>> 
>> Or do I have unrealistic expectations?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> "As-is, where-is" I read to mean "has significant issues I don't want to 
>>> list in the ad"
>>> 
>>> Another scam I've started to see on CL are ads that lift the copy and 
>>> photos from recent BaT auctions.
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
>>> 
>>>> No worse than this idiot:
>>>> 
>>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/riverview-2001-mercedes-benz-slk320/7335804202.html
>>>> 
>>>> I texted them yesterday asking for the VIN so I could run a CarFax. I got 
>>>> a response - “As-is, where is - no CarFax”.
>>>> 
>>>> Someone needs to flag the crap out of this ad.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] EVERYONE GETS THE SAME LOW PRICE. 2016 MERCEDES E350 4MATIC ROSE GOLD 54K MILES - $29, 950 (S. RALEIGH / GARNER)

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I would assume much the same, but that doesn’t mean you have to be a douche 
about it. I texted, asking for the VIN and if there were any issues with the 
top hydraulics, and that was the response I got. They could of just as easily 
replied that I can come and look at it. I get being lazy, but not being a d*ck 
- at least when you’re trying to get people to buy something you’re selling.

Or do I have unrealistic expectations?

-D

> On Jun 14, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> "As-is, where-is" I read to mean "has significant issues I don't want to list 
> in the ad"
> 
> Another scam I've started to see on CL are ads that lift the copy and photos 
> from recent BaT auctions.
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> No worse than this idiot:
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/riverview-2001-mercedes-benz-slk320/7335804202.html
>> 
>> I texted them yesterday asking for the VIN so I could run a CarFax. I got a 
>> response - “As-is, where is - no CarFax”.
>> 
>> Someone needs to flag the crap out of this ad.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] EVERYONE GETS THE SAME LOW PRICE. 2016 MERCEDES E350 4MATIC ROSE GOLD 54K MILES - $29, 950 (S. RALEIGH / GARNER)

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No worse than this idiot:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/riverview-2001-mercedes-benz-slk320/7335804202.html
 


I texted them yesterday asking for the VIN so I could run a CarFax. I got a 
response - “As-is, where is - no CarFax”.

Someone needs to flag the crap out of this ad.

-D

> On Jun 14, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Must be difficult to make an appt. with this Great Man.
> 
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 11:10 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> you clearly did not read the part "OUR CUSTOMERS CAN REST ASSURED THAT
>> THEY ARE
>> GETTING THE VERY BEST PRICE, AND NO ONE ELSE COULD HAVE GOTTEN A BETTER
>> DEAL THAN THEY DID BASED ON NEGOTIATIONS."
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> On 6/14/21 11:06 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>> Not even a 2016 low miles Bluetec E250 sedan is worth that much.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 10:15 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Better act fast, it is still available but WE INVEST A TON OF TIME
>>>AND
>>>ENERGY RESEARCHING THE MARKET, ASSISTED BY STATE OF THE ART
>>>TECHNOLOGY
>>>AND SOFTWARE TO OFFER UNBEATABLE PRICES ON OUR CARS. OUR
>>>PHILOSOPHY OF
>>>LOW MARGIN ON A HIGH VOLUME OF CARS HAS SET RECORDS IN THE
>>>INDUSTRY. WE
>>>BELIEVE IN PRICING THE CAR FAIR THE FIRST TIME, TAKING THE STRESS AND
>>>ANXIETY OUT OF CAR BUYING. OUR CUSTOMERS CAN REST ASSURED THAT
>>>THEY ARE
>>>GETTING THE VERY BEST PRICE, AND NO ONE ELSE COULD HAVE GOTTEN A
>>>BETTER
>>>DEAL THAN THEY DID BASED ON NEGOTIATIONS.
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/ctd/d/raleigh-2016-mercedes-e350-4matic-rose/7336424764.html
>>><
>> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/ctd/d/raleigh-2016-mercedes-e350-4matic-rose/7336424764.html
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Humdrum 560SL in Marco Island

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There ya go. You’ve got it right now.

-D

> On Jun 13, 2021, at 12:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Is this better?
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1987-mercedes-benz-560sl-197/?
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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I do need to sell mine

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Andrew,

When you get an email notification from BaT, it’s got metadata embedded in the 
link that identifies you and your connection with BaT so that when it’s clicked 
on they know it was you who “clicked back”.

If you click on a BaT link that you got in an email notification from them, 
there’s a bunch of additional metadata on the end of the link. Click on one and 
look at the address field in your browser.

Open another browser window or tab, and navigate directly to BaT and search for 
the auction they sent you the link for. Once you get there, look at the address 
in the browser window now.

A lot shorter, eh?

This is how they gather metrics to see how effective an email campaign is, or 
what auctions are getting the most attention from members, for example.

Just another way that Big Brother is looking over your shoulder.

-D

> On Jun 12, 2021, at 11:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> Kindly explain, Mitch.
> 
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 10:30 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2021-06-12 21:09, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-mercedes-benz-300sd-3/
>> 
>> I used to complain about the BAT UTM tracking that Andrew left on his
>> links, but at least he didn't include facebook tracking crap.
>> 
>> Anyway, wasn't that car about $25-26k new?
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Re: [MBZ] Engine partially disassembled by previous owner. 1971 Mercedes Benz 300 SEL 3.5 W109 - $3, 800 (Mooresville)

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Don’t forget you’ve air suspension to deal with on this, too. That can be $$$ 
to get operational.

-D



> On Jun 12, 2021, at 4:01 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> I wondered about that too. They don’t look rusty. I wonder if the engine 
> jumped timing or something and buggered the camshafts 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe. Those buggers can set up housekeeping in a matter of days
>> sometimes.
>> 
>> Wondering about the camshafts in the trunk but valve covers in place?
>> Is that an extra set of cams? Or why were they removed?
>> 
>> It does look like it needs a lot of work but not beyond saving.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> Are those a colony of mud dauber wasp nests on the underside??  That
>>> suggests the car has been sitting for awhile...
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 10:03 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> That car looks familiar for some reason. Pretty far gone, would take a LOT
>>>> of $$ to bring it back.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 12, 2021, at 9:44 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/mooresville-1971-mercedes-benz-300-sel/7335090924.html
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2008 Mercedes GL320 CDI Diesel - $7,700 (Hillsborough)

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The difference in the R129s was that it was hydraulic and not pneumatic.

-D

> On Jun 12, 2021, at 12:09 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> You can push the button to raise the air bags a coupla inches for more ground 
> clearance.  The 04E500 has this feature too I think or maybe it just stiffens 
> them for a "sportier" ride, I think that is it, I tried it once and it seemed 
> stiffer, there are 2 settings.  Some of the R129 SL600s had this feature too 
> too raise the car a bit, I think after 95 because mine doesn't have it.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 6/12/21 11:47 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> Maybe for $6500 given the miles and condition.  Whas it "selectable air 
>> lift"?
>> 
>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 9:43 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>
>> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/hillsborough-2008-mercedes-gl320-cdi/7335299176.html
>>
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Engine partially disassembled by previous owner. 1971 Mercedes Benz 300 SEL 3.5 W109 - $3, 800 (Mooresville)

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That car looks familiar for some reason. Pretty far gone, would take a LOT of 
$$ to bring it back.

-D

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Re: [MBZ] '85 TD

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The blue plastic device that was on the side of the engine compartment. I’m 
thinking it was part of the pollution control stuff.

-D

> On Jun 11, 2021, at 2:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> I'm lost.  Was bedeutet das "flying saucer"?
> 
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 12:45 PM Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
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>> Q. Is the blue flying saucer available?
>> Replaced the one on the car with my only spare (used) to restore boost.
>> New from MBZ has to be expensive.
>> Any ideas?
>> Fred.
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Re: [MBZ] 2011 Mercedes C300 Air Conditioner issue

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If it’s the pressure switch you would need to evacuate the system, replace the 
switch, pull a vacuum and charge. Do you have the tools necessary to do these 
things? If not, leave it to your mechanic.

AC work isn’t rocket science, but you have to have the proper tools to do it. 
It’s not something you can swag.

-D

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> Hi all,
> My daughter's 2011 Mercedes Benz C300 4matic (w/90K) air conditioner 
> stopped working a few days ago during a heatwave.  I checked the R134 charge 
> and the charge is fine.  I cannot see if the clutch is engaging because it's  
> internal.  I assumed that the compressor was bad so I decided to take it to 
> my local mechanic for an estimate.  He will diagnose it today but said he 
> rarely sees a bad compressor on that model but rather one of two sensors (AC 
> Refrigerant Pressure Switch or AC Evaporator Temperature Switch) is probably 
> bad.  If that's the case I might change myself if it's not too difficult.  
>Does anyone have instructions or know of a resource on how to replace the 
> two sensors?  I know one is under the condenser and the other is near the 
> evaporator in the dash.  
>   Thanks in advance!
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Re: [MBZ] The ignition is broken and needs to be replaced 1984 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D, $1, 550

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Classic W123 issue - I’m betting the ignition lock cylinder is borked.

-D

> On Jun 10, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> sent a message asking what "ignition is broken" means.  Starter? (I have a 
> brand new one)
> 
> Probably bought it for a lot less, trying to flip it.  Could still be a good 
> flip once fixed.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 6/10/21 9:32 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> That could be a decent deal if rust free.  Too bad about the bad repaint.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 9:11 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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>> 
>>> looks a little sketchy but could be a good deal.  I wonder what
>>> "ignition is broken" means.  Cheap respray from silver to blue?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Seller's Description
>>> 
>>> I had bought this from an estate where it had been sitting for a couple
>>> years. Was told it ran when parked but I can’t confirm that. My plans
>>> were to hire a mobile mechanic to get it going and drive it on Sundays
>>> but after several failed attempts at hiring one I’ve now given up. The
>>> ignition is broken and needs to be replaced (I have a brand new one) If
>>> you know these engines they never die. Comes with clean Georgia title
>>> last issues in 1999 (miles exempt marked on title) These are really
>>> starting to increase in value and this would be an easy restore since
>>> the body looks rust free and straight and even the interior is in pretty
>>> good condition. I will not entertain 50% offers so don’t waste my time
>>> or yours the price is slightly negotiable. Cash , Cashapp or credit
>>> cards only (3% fee on cc)
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1935224996625867
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] One For Dan

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I’ve done it, it’s a pig of a job because of where the ABS unit is located. 
Cheap repair, but really unpleasant to do, like motor mounts.

-D

> On Jun 9, 2021, at 10:53 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I see guys saying they fix the motors with hardware store brushes and all is 
> good
> 
> --FT
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>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I investigated this one a couple of days ago. Not sure why it’s relisted. 
>> Don’t recall the reason for rejecting it after corresponding with the 
>> seller. Probably because of miles.
>> 
>> Found a 2002 ML320 on the local FB Marketplace. Has BAS light and the owner 
>> says it needs a yaw sensor, even had the part number. This is a common 
>> failure on these but the part is now NLA from Mercedes but it can be found 
>> in the aftermarket for around $130. Only problem is that a BAS fault is 
>> usually a precursor to an ABS pump motor with bad brushes. It just goes 
>> downhill from there. Too bad, as it only like 130k on the clock.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 3:10 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Miles are a bit high. I wonder if has the factory tow package.
>>> 
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/pinellas-park-2002-mercedes-benz-ml320/7334199499.html
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] My Friends Last Ride

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A couple of very nice things…

It’s such a raucous movie, and Robert Preston just steals the show.

-D

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> On Jun 9, 2021, at 10:31 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Worth a shot. All I could think of was the movie S.O.B. If you haven’t seen 
>> it that won’t mean anything. A great Blake Edwards film. Robert Preston was 
>> awesome in that film. "I could sue you for calling me that, Polly! A shyster 
>> is a disreputable lawyer. I'M a QUACK!”
> 
> As I recall, there's a couple of things you learn about Julie Andrews, too.  
> :-)
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Re: [MBZ] My Friends Last Ride

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Point well taken. I don’t care what they do when I’m expired, as I’ll be dead.

When we lived in WI and I was traveling a lot, Mrs. Dan had a pact with a 
neighbor lady to assist her in moving my body should I expire at home. The plan 
was to transport me to Chicago and put me in a hotel at O’Hare, after which she 
would call work and ask where I was. The idea being that my life insurance had 
something like triple indemnity if I kicked it while traveling for work.

Worth a shot. All I could think of was the movie S.O.B. If you haven’t seen it 
that won’t mean anything. A great Blake Edwards film. Robert Preston was 
awesome in that film. "I could sue you for calling me that, Polly! A shyster is 
a disreputable lawyer. I'M a QUACK!”

-D



> On Jun 9, 2021, at 9:47 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm a peasant. So, freshly washed garbage truck for me, bin extra.
> "Light the blue touch-paper and retire immediately." Wording on
> Firecrackers/Bangers in UK.
> Fred.
> p.s. I will not care if I am dead. Funerals are for the living.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 8:47 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> 
>> I would like mine to be in a 123 Todeswagen
>> 
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>> 
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>> 
>>> Nice last ride. I would want mine to be in a Universal or Binz
>> conversion.
>>> 
>>> -D
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>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] One For Dan

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I investigated this one a couple of days ago. Not sure why it’s relisted. Don’t 
recall the reason for rejecting it after corresponding with the seller. 
Probably because of miles.

Found a 2002 ML320 on the local FB Marketplace. Has BAS light and the owner 
says it needs a yaw sensor, even had the part number. This is a common failure 
on these but the part is now NLA from Mercedes but it can be found in the 
aftermarket for around $130. Only problem is that a BAS fault is usually a 
precursor to an ABS pump motor with bad brushes. It just goes downhill from 
there. Too bad, as it only like 130k on the clock.

-D

> On Jun 9, 2021, at 3:10 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> 
> Miles are a bit high. I wonder if has the factory tow package.
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/pinellas-park-2002-mercedes-benz-ml320/7334199499.html
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Re: [MBZ] Shed Lights

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What if you have two sheds?

Asking for a friend (Arthur “Two Sheds” Jackson)

-D

> On Jun 9, 2021, at 9:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I've installed a couple of Harbor Freight bar lights in my garage. They're 
> very bright for fairly little power. Next time I'm up north I plan to put a 
> few in the basement of the new house.
> -Curt
> 
>On Wednesday, June 9, 2021, 9:13:34 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> I’ve been seeing ads on the book of faces for these kinds of really bright 
> LED shop lights. Intriguing. You don’t need but a few. This guy is putting 
> some in from one vendor. 
> 
> https://youtu.be/Cuam5xMnu24
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Re: [MBZ] Yesterday was...

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s why I stopped riding a motorcycle. Too many inattentive people who would 
run you off the road and not even realize it because they’re too busy looking 
at their $#@& cell phones.

-D

> On Jun 9, 2021, at 7:54 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Reason I stopped riding.  Too many blind dames in rolling coffins pulling 
> stupid moves that failed to kill me.  Being run over at the grocery store 
> parking lot sealed the deal.  I were stopped and she just plowed in, T bone 
> style.
> 
> 
> Clay
> 
> 
> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 3:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I always thought about that when I was motorcycling, right of way doesn't 
>> count for much if you're dead.
>> The closest call I've ever had on 2 wheels was when my then neighbor turned 
>> right in front of me. No blinker, not so much as a "how do you do." I 
>> slapped the rear of the car HARD with my hand as I passed it by inches. The 
>> guy stopped and jumped out "What did you do that for?" he hadn't seen me, 
>> had no idea I was there...
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] My Friends Last Ride

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Nice last ride. I would want mine to be in a Universal or Binz conversion.

-D

> On Jun 9, 2021, at 3:26 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> Wow. When did hearses become so fancy?
> 
> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap Chinese lifts

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And with a four post you might have enough height to stack cars. My brother 
in-law’s neighbor has two of these in his three car garage. He keeps four cars 
in those two bays - one on each lift, one parked below. You can’t have 
something like an SUV, but I think he has Mustangs and Camaros.

-D

> On Jun 9, 2021, at 7:15 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A Mohawk lift is designed to work with low ceiling clearance. 10” will 
> suffice I believe. The other conventional two post lifts do require higher 
> ceilings as you mentioned. The slightly more budget friendly (and it’s not 
> budget friendly)  7K Mohawk is no longer in production so you’re stuck 
> forking up even more for a 10K lb capacity Mohawk System 1A lift which is 
> outrageously expensive.
> 
> There are cheap or cheaper 4 post lifts out there that will work with low 
> ceiling clearances though.
> 
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>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 3:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So what expense (ballpark) would I be looking at to put in a two-post
>> lift?
>> 
>> I am guessing it's not justified by the amount of work that I do, on the
>> other hand maybe I'd keep up on stuff better if it was less of a PITA to
>> actually do the work.
>> 
>> I do have a three-bay garage but ceiling is 10' and mostly I see 12' as
>> the minimum. In theory I could box out another 2' of height over the
>> center bay, but that would be more .
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> Allan,
>>> Trial and error and some common sense!
>>> 
>>> I have a Mohawk asymmetrical lift and a balanced load isn't always obvious
>>> due to the angle of the columns.  But you can determine if you're heavy in
>>> one direction or the other based on the load felt on some of the rollers.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Yesterday was...

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This is a problem we’ve had in my neighborhood for some years. We have 
excellent sidewalks, but the bike riders who choose to ride in the street, 
often the “Tour de France” wanna-bes, ride in the middle of the road, won’t 
yield, and rarely, if ever, signal or observe signs, like stop signs.

I was driving my 220SEb one day and discovered the fuel pump was starting to 
crap out. I was nursing the car home, hoping to make it all the way and not 
being terribly attentive (my fault.) A local rider went through a three-way 
intersection in front of me without stopping, and I nearly hit him. He 
proceeded to yell at me and express his displeasure non-verbally. Pulled up 
along side him and asked if he would like to get a ticket for running a stop 
sign, to which he said, “I don’t have to stop if I don’t want to.”

It’s this mentality that pits people against idiots like this.

There was a section of a major road in our neighborhood that was three lanes 
wide, marked as a two lane road with very wide lanes. Local bike advocates 
bitched constantly to the local government about how dangerous it was because 
of speeding cars along this stretch. They actually got the County to put in a 
center median to close down the road to two regular width lanes, which no 
longer accommodate bikers. Along with this they went around the whole 
neighborhood and put down these green reflective “bike lane” markers on the 
road, despite the roads all being standard two lane widths. not sure what 
that’s supposed to accomplish.

To put a cherry on top of these improvements, a couple of months after the 
center median was put in a speeding car wrecked along this stretch of road, 
running into a tree and killing the driver. They also hit a bicyclist when they 
wrecked, having to airlift them to the local trauma center for their injuries.

So much for that bright idea, eh?

As a former cross country cyclist when I lived in WI, like trips of 20-50 miles 
a day, I have nothing but respect for other users of the road and did my best 
to comply with the rules and regulations. That being said, I truly believe 
there are idiots out there driving cars who purposely brush riders back or 
attempt to sideswipe them on purpose.

-D



> On Jun 9, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
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> 
> I was glad to see that the law does mention some rider responsibilities too. 
> Around where my folks live there were a few riding groups that also wanted to 
> go out and see the sights, its the coast of Maine, seems nice right? Well 
> these folks thought they could just get out of work a little early and go for 
> a ride. So every Friday night around 4:30pm 20 or so riders would go 5 
> abreast all around town, during rush hour. They wouldn't yield for anybody 
> and you had to creep along behind them until you parted ways with them. They 
> were totally obnoxious. If you were sitting at a stop sign they would swarm 
> around you and then take off ahead of you, often cutting off traffic and 
> nearly causing accidents.
> This went on for about a month until enough people called the police that the 
> group was met by a group of officers whole explained that they could ride 
> politely or not ride at all. They tried to keep up their antics and were 
> quickly shut down, IIRC bikes were impounded, charges were filed. It got 
> quite messy for awhile...
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] 1964 Mercedes-Benz 300 SE,$4,444

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Agreed. Are distributor caps still unobtainium or stupid expensive if you can 
find them?

I see a lot of zeros with this car. Easily five zeros preceded by a single 
digit larger than one or two.

-D

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
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> 
> Thats an excellent price already for a very rare car.
> 
> Not for the faint of heart.  But I see a lot of positives there.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 11:26 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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>> A little rough but  could be interesting at a lower price
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/855276535203028
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Re: [MBZ] Can I buy a left handle drive car in Japan?

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It’s not left hand drive, but…

https://jalopnik.com/i-ordered-a-brand-new-chinese-900-ev-online-1842363027

You can get a good idea of what’s involved in getting a car stateside from 
reading this.

-D



> On Jun 7, 2021, at 12:35 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
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> 
> Go for it. It will be an experience you will never forget.
> Car ... $500.00
> Shipping $5000.00
> Port fees ...
> Ocean shipping fees ... $
> Loading $1,200.00
> Unloading $1,400.00  [union labor stateside]
> Japan customs fees  $ export
> US customs fees $ import + taxes.
> DOT compliance before import is approved .. $xxx
> Land shipping $ XXX  [guess]
> The experience of buying a car unseen in a foreign country ... Priceless
> It will make you the man you always wondered if you could be, and give you
> a new appreciation of the parking lot panhandlers at WallMart..
> 
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>> Should I?
>> 
>> https://respectmotors.com/en/auctions/1/Z4qZkHS1GT76TZ/
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Re: [MBZ] Is This Dan's Next ML?

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Details? If it’s got an M272, no thank you.

-D

> On Jun 7, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> I forgot Poos was looking for an ML. I have one that just came into stock 
> that is available 
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>> On Jun 7, 2021, at 10:23 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> No beaters, thank you. I’ll pony up for a decent example.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/orlando-used-2005-mercedes-ml350/7332979125.html
>>> 
>>> A bit rough for the money, but nothing Dan hasn't done before. Pre timing 
>>> gear issues.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Is This Dan's Next ML?

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No beaters, thank you. I’ll pony up for a decent example.

Thanks!

-D

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> https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/orlando-used-2005-mercedes-ml350/7332979125.html
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> A bit rough for the money, but nothing Dan hasn't done before. Pre timing 
> gear issues.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

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Inefficient because in low ambient situations they fall back onto resistive 
heating elements and are no more efficient than a “regular” resistive element 
heater.

-D

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 4:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2021-06-06 12:36, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I would research this heavily, as one of the things I saw when I was
>> looking into them was complaints from people in northern climes who
>> mistakenly installed these in unheated areas of the house that
>> ultimately discovered they were horribly inefficient if the ambient
>> air temps dropped below a certain point.
> 
> Inefficient or ineffective? I can't imagine them ever being less efficient 
> than a plain electric water heater.
> One might think that they would turn into electric water heaters if the 
> basement got too cold, and produce little heat just above the switchover 
> point.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

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Interestingly, I did some research only to find out that the industry has 
established a standard (CTA-2045) for the connectivity of water heaters, 
boilers, etc., but initial research shows that control of such devices doesn’t 
suggest that the investment is worth the effort. I found a bunch of 
presentations and papers on it from a couple of utilities who did studies using 
it a few years ago, and the outcomes weren’t that great.

A.O. Smith had a deal with Lowe’s starting back in 2014 with a platform called 
“Iris” for connectivity to such devices, and it’s dead. There’s a third party 
that’s running with the CTA-2045 specification who has an app available but 
there doesn’t seem to be many manufacturers on board with it. You can drop $220 
to get a communications module and interface, but there’s not a lot of 
documentation on what exactly you can do with it.

I’m not a big believer in IOT devices mainly because their security often 
stinks. I’ve used them from time to time, but I wouldn’t go to a lot of effort 
to deploy any on my home environment.

-D

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> 
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Is yours "smart"? I'm wondering if I could turn ours off when we're
>> not there and then tell it to heat water via the app a day or so in
>> advance of our arrival.
> 
> Honestly that seems like needless complexity for something rarely if
> ever needed. How often do you need hot water immediately after arriving?
> It should not take more than a few hours to get up to temp if you switch
> it on when you arrive. Of course, I'm opposed to most "smart" devices by
> default so take that into account.
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Re: [MBZ] Diff fluid filler

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have one similar to it that I bought from Advance Auto. It’s really great for 
filling differentials as you can screw it on the top of the bottle and just 
pump away. Takes a bot of time, but does the job well and with minimal mess.

I used to use one of those oil “sucker” things to do it and it was always a 
mess. This method is far superior.

-D

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 3:31 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
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> 
> Anyone have this? Any good?
> 
> https://www.harborfreight.com/gear-oil-and-fluid-pump-61746.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

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Mine isn’t “smart” in that it’s an IOT device, no. It does have a socket for 
some sort of module for a utility to “talk” to it to make it shut off or turn 
it down, however. I never investigated those functions as my utility doesn’t 
offer them. Maybe if one got one of the modules you could do that, I don’t know.

Mine does have “vacation” settings that you can do though the front panel. It 
will also come out of certain settings after a predetermined time as well, but 
I don’t recall the details. I would have to go back and read through the 
documentation.

-D

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 3:05 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> A sort of dehumidifier too right?
> 
> Is yours "smart"? I'm wondering if I could turn ours off when we're not there 
> and then tell it to heat water via the app a day or so in advance of our 
> arrival.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 2:14:34 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> And just to clarify, it’s a little heat pump that just sits on top of the 
> tank, hence the height that these units have. That and it dups cold air as a 
> product of the operation, so in climates like mine, it acts as a sort of air 
> conditioner in my garage.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Jun 6, 2021, at 2:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > A hybrid water heater uses a heat pump, just like you would have on a 
> > house, to extract heat from the surrounding atmosphere and use it to heat 
> > the water. Very efficient compared to a resistive heating element.
> > 
> > My hybrid water heater costs about $150-$200/year to operate, if that. 
> > Compare that to a similarly sized heater with resistive elements that will 
> > cost 2x-3x that.
> > 
> > -D
> > 
> >> On Jun 6, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
> >> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Curt Raymond via Mercedes  >> <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> writes:
> >> 
> >>> I also discovered that Maine has a $750 rebate on a hybrid hot water 
> >>> heater.
> >> 
> >> What is a "hybrid" water heater? Gas and electric? Solar and something
> >> else?
> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

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And just to clarify, it’s a little heat pump that just sits on top of the tank, 
hence the height that these units have. That and it dups cold air as a product 
of the operation, so in climates like mine, it acts as a sort of air 
conditioner in my garage.

-D

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 2:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A hybrid water heater uses a heat pump, just like you would have on a house, 
> to extract heat from the surrounding atmosphere and use it to heat the water. 
> Very efficient compared to a resistive heating element.
> 
> My hybrid water heater costs about $150-$200/year to operate, if that. 
> Compare that to a similarly sized heater with resistive elements that will 
> cost 2x-3x that.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> I also discovered that Maine has a $750 rebate on a hybrid hot water heater.
>> 
>> What is a "hybrid" water heater? Gas and electric? Solar and something
>> else?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

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A hybrid water heater uses a heat pump, just like you would have on a house, to 
extract heat from the surrounding atmosphere and use it to heat the water. Very 
efficient compared to a resistive heating element.

My hybrid water heater costs about $150-$200/year to operate, if that. Compare 
that to a similarly sized heater with resistive elements that will cost 2x-3x 
that.

-D

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
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> 
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> I also discovered that Maine has a $750 rebate on a hybrid hot water heater.
> 
> What is a "hybrid" water heater? Gas and electric? Solar and something
> else?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

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Mine does as well. Functionally, they’re no doubt very similar.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/A-O-Smith-Signature-Premier-50-Gallon-Tall-10-year-Limited-4500-Watt-Double-Element-Electric-Water-Heater-with-Hybrid-Heat-Pump/1000213655
 
<https://www.lowes.com/pd/A-O-Smith-Signature-Premier-50-Gallon-Tall-10-year-Limited-4500-Watt-Double-Element-Electric-Water-Heater-with-Hybrid-Heat-Pump/1000213655>

-D

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> At least for now it'll be a summer house only so I don't forsee any problem. 
> At -33F (last winter's coldest temp) it might have an issue but there is a 
> basement wood stove we could potentially fire up if we decided to live there 
> full time. It was 50F in the basement last week when it was 60F upstairs.
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rheem-Performance-Platinum-40-Gal-10-Year-Hybrid-High-Efficiency-Smart-Tank-Electric-Water-Heater-XE40T10H45U0/312742067
>  
> <https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rheem-Performance-Platinum-40-Gal-10-Year-Hybrid-High-Efficiency-Smart-Tank-Electric-Water-Heater-XE40T10H45U0/312742067>
> 
> The one I was looking at has pretty fantastic reviews...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 12:37:16 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I would research this heavily, as one of the things I saw when I was looking 
> into them was complaints from people in northern climes who mistakenly 
> installed these in unheated areas of the house that ultimately discovered 
> they were horribly inefficient if the ambient air temps dropped below a 
> certain point. They have heating elements like a conventional heater, too, 
> which kick in if it can’t get enough heat out of the heat pump section.
> 
> You can look at the various review sites as well as reviews for them on 
> Lowe’s and Home Despot’s web sites for more information.
> 
> They do a great job with decent ambient air temperature. Understand that both 
> of mine have been in the garage, where today it’s easily 90+ if not more. My 
> hot water costs dropped easily in half when I changed from a conventional 
> water heater to a hybrid one in my last house. I’ve got one in my “new” 
> house, too. With your rebate that’s a heck of a deal.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > So one great story I got out of the trip up north. About 30 years ago 
> > Caldon thought that the electric water heater was "too expensive" to run so 
> > he shut it off.
> > Yeah, think about that one for a second, he lived for 30 years with no hot 
> > water. "If I wanted hot water I put a pan on the stove." he told me.
> > He also didn't drain it for all that time, they did drain it last winter 
> > thankfully. When I turned on the water what came out of the water heater 
> > looked like cafe latte...
> > Anyway our eventual plan was to replace the electric stove and oil furnace 
> > with propane and probably to do on-demand propane hot water too. That's 3-5 
> > years into the future though so I was planning to replace the old hot water 
> > heater with a shorty one. Then I priced hot water heaters. Turns out the 
> > little ones are MORE expensive.I also discovered that Maine has a $750 
> > rebate on a hybrid hot water heater. It seems to me like that is a perfect 
> > solution for a summer house. Home Depot lists a 40 gallon Rheem with a 10 
> > year warranty for $1200, with the rebate it puts us maybe $100 over what I 
> > would pay for a conventional hot water heater. It'll be basement mounted, I 
> > don't see any problems, if it gets too cold I could just put a fire in the 
> > wood stove, or maybe run a circulation fan from upstairs.
> > Am I missing something? I know these have been mentioned here before.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would research this heavily, as one of the things I saw when I was looking 
into them was complaints from people in northern climes who mistakenly 
installed these in unheated areas of the house that ultimately discovered they 
were horribly inefficient if the ambient air temps dropped below a certain 
point. They have heating elements like a conventional heater, too, which kick 
in if it can’t get enough heat out of the heat pump section.

You can look at the various review sites as well as reviews for them on Lowe’s 
and Home Despot’s web sites for more information.

They do a great job with decent ambient air temperature. Understand that both 
of mine have been in the garage, where today it’s easily 90+ if not more. My 
hot water costs dropped easily in half when I changed from a conventional water 
heater to a hybrid one in my last house. I’ve got one in my “new” house, too. 
With your rebate that’s a heck of a deal.

-D

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So one great story I got out of the trip up north. About 30 years ago Caldon 
> thought that the electric water heater was "too expensive" to run so he shut 
> it off.
> Yeah, think about that one for a second, he lived for 30 years with no hot 
> water. "If I wanted hot water I put a pan on the stove." he told me.
> He also didn't drain it for all that time, they did drain it last winter 
> thankfully. When I turned on the water what came out of the water heater 
> looked like cafe latte...
> Anyway our eventual plan was to replace the electric stove and oil furnace 
> with propane and probably to do on-demand propane hot water too. That's 3-5 
> years into the future though so I was planning to replace the old hot water 
> heater with a shorty one. Then I priced hot water heaters. Turns out the 
> little ones are MORE expensive.I also discovered that Maine has a $750 rebate 
> on a hybrid hot water heater. It seems to me like that is a perfect solution 
> for a summer house. Home Depot lists a 40 gallon Rheem with a 10 year 
> warranty for $1200, with the rebate it puts us maybe $100 over what I would 
> pay for a conventional hot water heater. It'll be basement mounted, I don't 
> see any problems, if it gets too cold I could just put a fire in the wood 
> stove, or maybe run a circulation fan from upstairs.
> Am I missing something? I know these have been mentioned here before.
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Re: [MBZ] OT AWD and tire wear

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Either that or just carry them in as you suggested. I’ve done that on a couple 
of cars with my local tire guys. They don’t seem to care as far as the 
application if you carry in. You just tell them what tires you want and they do 
the rest.

-D

> On Jun 5, 2021, at 11:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Order done from TireRack or wherever 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2021, at 10:43 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I really need to just get two new front tires, but most tire shops will
>> not sell me two tires for this car.
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for an ML?

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This thread on Banz Whirled explains it all:

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/all-mls-are-awd.1437096/ 


-D

> On Jun 5, 2021, at 2:50 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't think I have ever seen a 2WD 163 although I have read that AWD was a 
> delete option.  I would imagine they are pretty rare.  I also don't recall 
> seeing a 163 with a 4MATIC badge, that might have been some later marketing 
> invention when the system was put on Ss and Es and whatever else it was put 
> on. My 211 05E320 wagon had one until the DAPO took off the rear badges for 
> reasons unclear, you can still see the paint is darker where they were.  164s 
> had it although the dizzel we bought did not, in favor of a Bluetech badge 
> (and I think that was maybe only for that year?), although it was still a 4M
> 
> I doubt if many were ordered/purchased with fuel economy in mind.  Most of 
> them were mommyvan poseurs I think, even though they are very capable 
> off-road vehicles.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 6/5/21 2:36 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> If you don't need heavy snow/off-road ability, would there be a reason
>> to prefer 4Matic over RWD? Seems like RWD saves complexity and weight.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> I thought that all the early (all 163) versions are 4matic, but not
>>> badged (don't need no stinking badges!).  Later models offered the
>>> choice, RWD or 4matic (badges, look for the stinking badges!).
>>> 
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for an ML?

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True. Up to 2003 or possibly later you can do the towing thing with some 
aftermarket bits that are relatively inexpensive - I did it with the 2002 I 
had, and it’s easy, took me all of maybe 20 minutes to install everything.

I like the trailer idea, too. Thanks!

-D

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> 
>> Other than the gremlins, it was a good car/truck. Mileage sucked, but it’s a 
>> truck, so that wasn’t unexpected.
> 
> I have gotten 30 mpg consistently on the highway with a rwd E320. That's 
> probably not going to happen with any ML.
> 
> IIRC, Floyd (and Mitch) have said later models have nanny issues if the truck 
> is not set up for towing from Ma Benz. I have a friend that buys these things 
> new (multi millionaire) and he gets them with the tow package, not for 
> towing, but for all the stuff that comes with the tow package, i.e. brakes, 
> cooling system, trans cooler, etc. That is a consideration. Also, a small 5X9 
> trailer can do nearly as much as the small pickup you were in the market for.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for an ML?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I did. A 2002 ML500 that was a beater bought for beater stuff. It had some 
bizarre gremlins that I was never able to get sorted, but it did what I wanted 
during my ownership and I sold it at break-even, so I’m not at all unhappy with 
the experience.

Other than the gremlins, it was a good car/truck. Mileage sucked, but it’s a 
truck, so that wasn’t unexpected.

-D

> On Jun 5, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Didn't you have an ML V8? I wouldn't know where to even begin to look for 
> information on these, except maybe Kaleb, or Mitch.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
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> Subject: [MBZ] Looking for an ML?
> 
> I may be going nuts, but I’m seriously considering adding an ML to the stable 
> or possibly as a replacement of the 98 W210 wagon if I could find a decent 
> one. 2000 MY or later, a 320 would be preferred but I would go larger if it 
> was a good deal.
> 
> I’ve seen a few in my neighborhood but they’ve had issues, like peeling 
> clearcoat or poor maintenance. I could go as late as a 2005 most likely.
> 
> And what’s with an ML that has 4Matic? Don’t they all have AWD anyway? What 
> would the benefit of 4Matic be over the standard AWD setup?
> 
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[MBZ] Looking for an ML?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I may be going nuts, but I’m seriously considering adding an ML to the stable 
or possibly as a replacement of the 98 W210 wagon if I could find a decent one. 
2000 MY or later, a 320 would be preferred but I would go larger if it was a 
good deal.

I’ve seen a few in my neighborhood but they’ve had issues, like peeling 
clearcoat or poor maintenance. I could go as late as a 2005 most likely.

And what’s with an ML that has 4Matic? Don’t they all have AWD anyway? What 
would the benefit of 4Matic be over the standard AWD setup?

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Re: [MBZ] OT part of an estate 1961 Austin Healey Bug Eye Sprite, $12, 345

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

2005 Mazda 6 has a 1.5 hour flat rate time for changing the left front 
headlight bulb. I tried to do it and gave up, it was so convoluted.

-D

> On Jun 4, 2021, at 4:56 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Friend just told me he had to remove the whole front bumper cover assembly 
> and loosen a motor mount and jack up the engine in order to change a 
> headlight bulb in a 2006 VW Passat.
> 
> On 04/06/2021 3:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> Back when I was in High School and toying with the idea of getting an
>> MGB, a friend told me you had to remove the driver's side fender to
>> change the oil filter. Not sure if that was right, but seems believable.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Naples, 22,688mi 1989 Mercedes-Benz 420 SEL,$26,900

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These guys are one of the big dealers in Naples who get all sorts of amazing 
garage queens from the estates of the dead rich people who lived there.

-D

> On Jun 3, 2021, at 2:50 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> wow.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/5573601226045548
> 
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Re: [MBZ] FB sales guy of the day This is a beautiful Mercedes 250c. 1970 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 SL Roadster 2D, $90, 000

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Conversion. No such thing in the product line that I know of. It’s a bad 
unicorn.

Dash is cracked. No deal.

-D

> On Jun 3, 2021, at 2:45 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> He doesn't know what he got.  123 bundts?
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/215049313593389
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT part of an estate 1961 Austin Healey Bug Eye Sprite, $12, 345

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While I don’t have a huge affinity for British sports cars, I’ve always thought 
that the Triumph TR3 would be a cool car to have. It somewhat resembles the 
bug-eyed Sprite.

I was doing some work at Wallops Island for the nearby Naval Surface Weapons 
facility, and a guy I worked with there had a TR3 completely disassembled for 
restoration in his garage. He had gotten bored with the project and asked me if 
I wanted it for $3k. I went so far as to inspect it and check everything out, 
which was well catalogued and sorted (he was an engineer) but I couldn’t figure 
out a way to get everything back to WI for a reasonable price or minimal effort.

Oh well…

-D

> On Jun 3, 2021, at 11:38 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Amazing price. I have a bugeye setting in one of my storage vans, with [If
> I recall correctly] two spare engines and a load of other spares. It was
> last used as a race car, and has been in my storage/ownership for over 10
> years.
> It's been on the "when I get around to it list" ... and I've never gotten
> "around to it"..
> 
> At the prices currently... Perhaps I should move it up the work list..
> 
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 6:47 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> A neighbor kid had one of these when I was maybe 13 or so, it was a
>> total POS but fun to ride in.  It was parked out front of his house one
>> day and I noticed smoke coming out from under the front.  I went and
>> banged on the door, he came running out and opened the bonnet and
>> started pulling out smoking wires.  That put a stop to it, all the
>> wiring was bodged up under there, insulation cracked and missing.  he
>> got it running again though and kept it for awhile.
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/172442341397943
>> 
>> --
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] I don’t know why but I think poos should buy this

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Love the upholstery.

-D

> On Jun 2, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/258677816016074/
> 
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Re: [MBZ] In working condition when parked

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I believe more were done using the Pinto/Mustang II platform than VW Beetle. 
These were offered in a later time when Beetles were becoming less common and 
the Ford drivetrains more popular.

-D

> On Jun 2, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> For a long time I thought they were all built on a Beetle chassis. I
> only found out about the Pinto version recently.
> 
> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> so that one has a beedub engine and chassis not the pinto engine in a frame
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> On 6/2/21 10:38 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Another '29 Gazelle kit actually doesn't look too bad cosmetically.
>>> 
>>> https://bn.craigslist.org/cto/d/el-paso-mercedes-benz-gazelle-1929-kit/7330150168.html
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Rich Old Guy is Too Cheap to Fix Car

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Around that time, I believe. I was wondering the same. If the gear is goobered 
on the balance shaft I would think it could cause issues like this since it 
affects timing.

-D

> On Jun 1, 2021, at 9:07 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Did they fix the balance shaft issue before 2008?
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[MBZ] Rich Old Guy is Too Cheap to Fix Car

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Go for it, Kaleb!

https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/col/cto/d/naples-2008-mercedes-benz-r350-as-is/7329763421.html
 


-D
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Re: [MBZ] G63 v ML500 musings

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The ML500 isn’t a bad ride if you don’t mind the clearly truck-like aspect of 
it. Just driving on the interstate isn’t bad, but if the roads are dodgy 
prepare for a visit to the chiropractor afterwards.

If I have to source a vehicle for a future home in Flagstaff I may very well 
consider an ML. It would be ideal for the area, and stand out amongst all the 
Subarus.

-D

> On May 31, 2021, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Took a little road trip the last coupla days, was driving up north a bit on 
> I-95, a matte black G63 (Florida plates) was driving like a fool near me for 
> quite some time, speeding up, slowing down, passing me, me passing it, 
> blocking left lane, etc etc. Anyway, I got a chance to take a good look at it 
> in various poses.  I was driving the 05ML500 so was able to kinda compare the 
> two vehicles.  The G was a bit bigger than the ML but the more I looked at it 
> the uglier it was.  It basically looked like a short shoe box with protruding 
> wheels and big plastic fender flares over them.  Was not particularly 
> aesthetically pleasing.  The ML is a better looking vehicle and for most 
> off-road situations is probably about as good.  I wouldn't turn one down but 
> no strong desire to ever have one except for maybe some fun off-roading etc.  
> I saw some GLs too and those are nice-looking vehicles, good proportions.  A 
> bit larger than I would need these days but I wouldn't mind having one.
> 
> It also made me wonder why someone would spend $200k on a vehicle and not use 
> simple features like cruise control.  And it probably has the fancy nanny 
> version that keeps you in your lane and measures what's ahead etc. and will 
> take care of most tasks in that regard.
> 
> The ML did OK on the road, got around 18mpg cruising 70-80 which I guess is 
> OK.  It is noisier and stiffer than the 211 05E320 wagon but the seat space 
> is a bit roomier so I liked that.  I had driven that E320 up there once 
> before and that was pleasant enough but tighter for me to move around a bit 
> on longer drives.  The engine has great torque and acceleration 60-80 is 
> quite satisfying.  I'd give it a B+
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Re: [MBZ] W124 rear brake job

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I’ve never bought non-OE brake discs. The OE ones are typically as inexpensive 
or less than aftermarket discs.

-D

> On May 30, 2021, at 3:03 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Leave it to Mercedes to innovate. The time saved wiping the nasty grease off 
> the aftermarket ones is justification enough to warrant the slight premium 
> paid for original parts.
> 
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>> On May 30, 2021, at 2:55 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The coating is meant to be left on, it's some sort of rust prevention that 
>> is hard enough to wear off very quickly and not damage pads.
>> 
>> It's there to replace the cosmoline that requires volatile solvents to 
>> remove.  Reduces volatile emission and the hassle of cleaning the rotors.
>> 
>> I love it, saves all that spraying and scrubbing and roughing up the surface.
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Re: [MBZ] W124 rear brake job

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It wears off with use. No need to remove. Just there to protect the machined 
surfaces from rust while in storage.

-D

> On May 30, 2021, at 1:27 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m replacing rear pads and rotors on the 90 300D 2.5 Turbo. I bought 
> original MB rotors and pads. The rotors have a thin gray paint coating on 
> them. I’ve never seen painted rotors before. Is this coating meant to be 
> removed?
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[MBZ] W123 Coupe Rear Window

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Got a buddy in AL looking for one. Anyone know of one?

Thanks!

-D

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Re: [MBZ] 2003 ML320 - 150k miles - $3,500

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They all do. The upholstery in the W163s was not exactly “robust” from my 
experience.

-D

> On May 27, 2021, at 8:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Needs new driver's seat cover
> 
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/d/markham-2003-mercedes-benz-ml320-suv/7327853654.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1989 190E 2.6 - 130k miles - $2,700

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Never owned one, but other than rust issues, which this one clearly doesn’t 
have, at least not on the surface, I think they were pretty robust. I’ll defer 
to those who know more about them. It’s one MB model I’ve never had an interest 
in.

-D

> On May 27, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What is the W201 like as far as servicability/reliability? Is it anything 
> like the "Camry" W210/211?
> 
> Allan
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> I’m not a 190E fan, but that’s a pretty nice one for the money. It’s in 
>> Zionsville, which is an upscale new and old money area, so it was probably 
>> well cared for.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 27, 2021, at 4:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Looks to be in nice condition...
>>> 
>>> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/zionsville-mercedes-benz-190e-26/7327861231.html
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1989 190E 2.6 - 130k miles - $2,700

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I’m not a 190E fan, but that’s a pretty nice one for the money. It’s in 
Zionsville, which is an upscale new and old money area, so it was probably well 
cared for.

-D

> On May 27, 2021, at 4:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> Looks to be in nice condition...
> 
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/zionsville-mercedes-benz-190e-26/7327861231.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT insurance, full coverage or no?

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I’m in absolute agreement with you. My point was as my Dad always said when we 
were school aged people:

“Your “job” as it were is to focus on your studies and become educated.”

We had to work for spending money, but things that weren’t easily attainable 
working no more than 20 hours a week at minimum wage were either provided to us 
or subsidized in some manner. The point being is that it’s easy for a young 
person to lose focus on what’s important at that time in life and go off the 
rails, for example, work too much in order to generate money and let education 
slip. That was not acceptable in my household, as everyone was expected to have 
their nose in the books and be a successful student.

Providing funding for essential needs, like car insurance, doesn’t derail or 
redirect someone’s performance. Not only that, making sure there is an 
understanding of the significance of such benefits has value as well. And no 
one gets a free ride - that assistance comes with strings attached, such as 
responsibilities around the house.

-D

> On May 27, 2021, at 12:53 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
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> 
> I am in total agreement with you, except on one point which I hold as very
> important.
> That point is, not all learning happens in school. Life does not give
> participation trophies for attendance, only for performance. The principle
> that adulthood is suddenly bestowed upon a young person because they have
> reached a certain age is not valid. The abilities of learning at school and
> performing in other areas concurrently are joint, not separate, in real
> life. As adult parents and mentors, I hold it is our duty to guide children
> to be "young adults in training" through the growth experience. We hold
> their hands while they learn to walk, but soon they take great pride in
> walking on their own.. The rest of growing up to adulthood is a strong
> parallel to that early moment.
> 
> My Grandmother [who was truly a saint who raised 11 highly successful
> children] said often, "There are no bad children, only bad parents."   I
> find wisdom and guidance in those words.
> 
> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 3:26 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> While in principle I agree with you, as when one is paying for something
>> out of their own money it suddenly has value, it’s not realistic in places
>> like Florida where a teenage driver’s insurance can be several thousand
>> dollars a year. That and I don’t want my kids having to work their bottoms
>> off trying to pay bills when they need to be focused on learning and
>> getting good grades. Once they get out in the workforce or leave home,
>> certainly, they can assume the mantle of adulthood and be responsible. AS
>> long as they’re at home and in school, I’ll subsidize some (not all) of
>> their expenses in order to keep them focused on learning.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 27, 2021, at 2:01 AM, G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My house rules on cars for kids was:  [all responsible adults now] :
>>> "If you are old enough and mature enough to drive, you are old enough and
>>> mature enough to earn enough money to buy and support your own car,
>>> including insurance and license expenses. "
>>> "Part of your training to become a responsible adult and be treated like
>>> one, is to take responsibility for your own actions and things. I'm only
>>> here to offer guidance about how you can accomplish those personal goals.
>>> If you want to have a car to drive, you have to want to support the
>>> expenses to keep it legally insured and safe to drive. "
>>> 
>>> Some call it the "tough love approach", however, my view is, childhood is
>>> best defined as "adults in training".
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 7:36 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'd say depends on the drivers too.  Youngish may mean expensive
>>>> insurance, but the driver has matured and can drive and care for a
>> decent
>>>> car.  25 years old is a number that the insco used to use as the
>> arbitrary
>>>> dividing line, may still be.
>>>> 
>>>> I would not carry full coverage on a $5k car, but I have a nice
>> emergency
>>>> fund that can cover a replacement.  I'm self insured, don't need to pay
>> the
>>>> insco beyond liability.
>>>> 
>>>> Are you the bank of Mom & Dad?
>>>> 
>>>> Max Dillon
>>>> Charleston SC
>>>> 
>>>> 
&

Re: [MBZ] Rollin Coal Bro! by Mercedes Streeter

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

More like “flinging coal”.

-D

> On May 27, 2021, at 8:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://jalopnik.com/pistons-rain-from-the-sky-after-cummins-dodge-ram-explo-1846973432
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Re: [MBZ] OT insurance, full coverage or no?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

While in principle I agree with you, as when one is paying for something out of 
their own money it suddenly has value, it’s not realistic in places like 
Florida where a teenage driver’s insurance can be several thousand dollars a 
year. That and I don’t want my kids having to work their bottoms off trying to 
pay bills when they need to be focused on learning and getting good grades. 
Once they get out in the workforce or leave home, certainly, they can assume 
the mantle of adulthood and be responsible. AS long as they’re at home and in 
school, I’ll subsidize some (not all) of their expenses in order to keep them 
focused on learning.

-D

> On May 27, 2021, at 2:01 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> My house rules on cars for kids was:  [all responsible adults now] :
> "If you are old enough and mature enough to drive, you are old enough and
> mature enough to earn enough money to buy and support your own car,
> including insurance and license expenses. "
> "Part of your training to become a responsible adult and be treated like
> one, is to take responsibility for your own actions and things. I'm only
> here to offer guidance about how you can accomplish those personal goals.
> If you want to have a car to drive, you have to want to support the
> expenses to keep it legally insured and safe to drive. "
> 
> Some call it the "tough love approach", however, my view is, childhood is
> best defined as "adults in training".
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 7:36 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'd say depends on the drivers too.  Youngish may mean expensive
>> insurance, but the driver has matured and can drive and care for a decent
>> car.  25 years old is a number that the insco used to use as the arbitrary
>> dividing line, may still be.
>> 
>> I would not carry full coverage on a $5k car, but I have a nice emergency
>> fund that can cover a replacement.  I'm self insured, don't need to pay the
>> insco beyond liability.
>> 
>> Are you the bank of Mom & Dad?
>> 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> May 26, 2021 9:29:21 PM Clay via Mercedes :
>> 
>>> Carry liability only for the car the younglings drive.  Ban them from
>> other examples which cost more and put full coverage.  Stock up some cash
>> to replace the kiddy car when it gets smashed up
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 26, 2021, at 11:56 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Would you carry full coverage on a $5,000 car, or liability only?
 
 Looking over the coverages on my fleet and trying to get the costs down
 with 3 "youthful" drivers.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT insurance, full coverage or no?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This is a loaded question. More importantly, what’s your level of comfort with 
the risk of having to replace a $5,000 car on short notice? And what’s the 
difference in cost between full coverage and minimal coverage?

I carry collision on both of our cars because the difference would take 3-4 
years to recoup. For that I would rather spend the money up front and transfer 
the risk to the insurance company. I can afford to lay out $5k on a “new” car 
on short notice, if necessary, but if it’s only costing me a few hundred 
dollars a year for full coverage, it will take a long time to use up that $5k.

-D

> On May 26, 2021, at 3:56 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Would you carry full coverage on a $5,000 car, or liability only?
> 
> Looking over the coverages on my fleet and trying to get the costs down
> with 3 "youthful" drivers.
> 
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[MBZ] I can't begin to explain this...

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

…today’s CL winner!!

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/clearwater-mercedes-c32-amg-2002/7326050706.html
 


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Re: [MBZ] OT short ghia update

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Look up House of Ghia. That use to be “the” place for everything Ghia. Not sure 
that’s still the case, but the guy that founded it (who has since passed on) 
was a major league fanatic about them and probably forgot more than anyone else 
ever knew.

-D

> On May 23, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You may recall I picked up a Karmann Ghia last November. Not wanting to
> subject it to any salt or winter it has been in the garage since then. I
> got it out today and it started up and ran nicely. It ran pretty rough
> in the driveway the few times I tried to run it during last winter so I
> figured I'd need to clean out the carbs and give it a general tune up.
> 
> However it is running much better now. I added about 5g of fresh gas and
> half a bottle of Techron but not sure that really made a difference.
> 
> It has a dual carb setup with Webers and I took a closer look and they
> don't seem to have any choke mechanism at all. So that would explain the
> rough running in the cold. I guess the car was set up as a summer
> driver. Not sure if such a thing is commonplace?
> 
> I found in the documentation that with the rebuilt the prior
> owner installed has a 9:1 compression ratio. So I guess I should
> probably buy at least mid-grade gas for it? Or premium?
> 
> I also discovered some rust on the passenger side rear floorpan. Not
> catastrophic but probably need to replace about a square foot of it. A
> project for next winter. The rest of the car seems solid.
> 
> Need to track down an extra wheel for a spare tire, as that is
> missing. Anyone know of a good Aircooled email list?
> 
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[MBZ] This Is A Pretty Good Deal

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

For someone that wants a 450SEL:

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/1975-w116-450sel-clean-california-title.3074965/
 


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Re: [MBZ] Just so you know, I’m not out trying to buy ever car I can find like normal.

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That works. No matter what the site, you’re not obligated and submitting costs 
you nothing while gaining you a wealth of feedback relative to your car and the 
current market.

-D

> On May 23, 2021, at 12:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was inclined toward the MB Market site as their audience might understand
> the irrelevance of high miles on a well maintained diesel.
> 
> On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 12:05 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> The problem with cars is like the problem with houses. They are seldom
>> worth much more than "average." Someone who puts a lot of upgrades on an
>> otherwise average house for their neighborhood is probably never going
>> to get that money back. It's called "overimproving."
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> I am not a "flake" but I do want a "fortune" for my 380K mile '83 300TD
>>> that reflects a percentage of the cost of maintenance on the car
>> including
>>> extensive body work.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 10:07 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Lately I’m gearing more toward buying specific cars I want to collect.
 Right now I’m wanting a 123 turbo or possible even and early pre 80 123
 diesel of some sort. Also possibly looking for a 124 or 126 diesel but
 really wanting a 123. Why I don’t know, I have been out of them for
>> years
 but suddenly want one again. People selling them are either flakes, or
 think they are worth a fortune.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Just so you know, I’m not out trying to buy ever car I can find like normal.

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Exactly. It’s like the old trope of putting a new set of tires, a tune-up and 
other maintenance items and expecting to add that to the value of the vehicle. 
It simply doesn’t work that way.

Andrew, I’m not picking on you, but the “extensive body work” doesn’t translate 
into significant added value. The condition of the car does, and that certainly 
reflects the added value the bodywork brings to it, but attempting to recoup a 
significant amount of the cost is usually a futile effort unless it’s something 
substantial such as a major restoration on a concours-quality car.

Best thing to do in my opinion is to test the waters with a submission to a 
good online auction site like Cars and Bids and see what the response is. 
They’ll have far more insight into the market and the value of the car relative 
to it and any of us ever will, and again, it costs you nothing but the time it 
takes to prepare everything, which you’re going to have to do anyway if you 
expect to net top dollar out of the car.

-D

> On May 23, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The problem with cars is like the problem with houses. They are seldom
> worth much more than "average." Someone who puts a lot of upgrades on an
> otherwise average house for their neighborhood is probably never going
> to get that money back. It's called "overimproving."
> 
> Allan
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> I am not a "flake" but I do want a "fortune" for my 380K mile '83 300TD
>> that reflects a percentage of the cost of maintenance on the car including
>> extensive body work.
>> 
>> On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 10:07 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Lately I’m gearing more toward buying specific cars I want to collect.
>>> Right now I’m wanting a 123 turbo or possible even and early pre 80 123
>>> diesel of some sort. Also possibly looking for a 124 or 126 diesel but
>>> really wanting a 123. Why I don’t know, I have been out of them for years
>>> but suddenly want one again. People selling them are either flakes, or
>>> think they are worth a fortune.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Just so you know, I’m not out trying to buy ever car I can find like normal.

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Agreed. I doubt it’s a BaT candidate because of the miles. Cars and Bids is a 
possibility, but I’m doubting they’ll give you a $10k reserve. Without knowing 
more about it and seeing extensive pictures, it’s tough to say, but the miles 
are going to be your biggest detriment. One thing that could potentially offset 
that is service records.

Put your information together along with lots of detailed pictures and submit 
it to C Worst case scenario is they turn you down, it doesn’t cost anything 
to try. The more effort you make to market it the more likely you are to get at 
or near your price.

Lastly is eBay. You could put it up there and cross your fingers, but you’ll be 
dealing with all of the BS that goes with it.

-D

> On May 23, 2021, at 11:28 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Put it on one of the auction sites with a reserve and see what happens
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 5/23/21 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> $10k and it's yours.
>> 
>> On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 11:20 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> What’s your ask, Andrew? You’ve been tap dancing around this for a while.
>>> Let’s hear what your expectations are and see if they’re realistic.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On May 23, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> I am not a "flake" but I do want a "fortune" for my 380K mile '83 300TD
>>>> that reflects a percentage of the cost of maintenance on the car
>>> including
>>>> extensive body work.
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 10:07 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Lately I’m gearing more toward buying specific cars I want to collect.
>>>>> Right now I’m wanting a 123 turbo or possible even and early pre 80 123
>>>>> diesel of some sort. Also possibly looking for a 124 or 126 diesel but
>>>>> really wanting a 123. Why I don’t know, I have been out of them for
>>> years
>>>>> but suddenly want one again. People selling them are either flakes, or
>>>>> think they are worth a fortune.
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Just so you know, I’m not out trying to buy ever car I can find like normal.

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

What’s your ask, Andrew? You’ve been tap dancing around this for a while. Let’s 
hear what your expectations are and see if they’re realistic.

-D

> On May 23, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> I am not a "flake" but I do want a "fortune" for my 380K mile '83 300TD
> that reflects a percentage of the cost of maintenance on the car including
> extensive body work.
> 
> On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 10:07 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Lately I’m gearing more toward buying specific cars I want to collect.
>> Right now I’m wanting a 123 turbo or possible even and early pre 80 123
>> diesel of some sort. Also possibly looking for a 124 or 126 diesel but
>> really wanting a 123. Why I don’t know, I have been out of them for years
>> but suddenly want one again. People selling them are either flakes, or
>> think they are worth a fortune.
>> 
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