Re: [MBZ] W123 sideshafts
Where do I find DaveM website for dealer prices? Cheers Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 sideshafts
Yep its South Africa - was wondering if VW beetle OM split boots would work? Anyone coming to the soccer world cup here in June Peter On 6 April 2010 06:05, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 22:41:03 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Ah - forgot that. On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Easy to say in the US, but I believe Peter is in the land of OZ, so it is not so simple. Actually, I think he's in South Africa, not Australia. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 sideshafts
What does a kit cost back in the US? Peter On 6 April 2010 18:44, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: Someone did the boot/metal can replacement without the special press for the metal can, I think they managed with vice grips, hammer, pliers, etc. Order three or four of the real MB kits, apply some shade-tree ingenuity and I'll bet you can figure it out. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Merle Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 12:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 sideshafts Yep its South Africa - was wondering if VW beetle OM split boots would work? Anyone coming to the soccer world cup here in June Peter On 6 April 2010 06:05, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 22:41:03 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Ah - forgot that. On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Easy to say in the US, but I believe Peter is in the land of OZ, so it is not so simple. Actually, I think he's in South Africa, not Australia. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W123 sideshafts
Besides the complicated boot replacement according to the book is there a simplified solution. A friend has had two boot failures in quick succession and up to no we have just replaced entire shaft from a scrap yard but supply is limited. Does the joint get lubricated from the diff? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OM617 using water / oil in water
A friend of mine has an Om617 in a Gwagen that he wants to sell . Unfortunately it uses water and oil appears in coolant. Now this engine was running well untill cam chain broke. Engine was repaired at great expense ( ~$5000 ) but has used water ever since. Now he has taken head off the engine and all appears OK - not pitting , no cracks visible. I would be interested in the head if it proves to be sound but the question is how to tell without doing a pressure test. Oh another thing - 3 of the cyl head stretch bolts nearest the ip show signs of heat damage - blue discoloration - never heard of that one before ! Any comments PEter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fitting a 240D W123 engine in to W115
I'm sure it can be done with a little surgery , I have a friend that has a toasted 240D in a W115 chassis and now wants to replace it with a W123 240D engine. I know the oil filter housing from the W123 will not fit - but can one transfer the oil filter unit from the broken engine to the new one? Any other issues PEter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Injector Nozzles
HAve any of you used Monark injector nozzles ? I wonder ho wthey compaed to the Indian made Bosch's . Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Viscous fan coupler
I am attempting to repair my OM603 fan coupler - it unit does not appear to have more resistance when hot ( 90deg + ) hot or with control pin ( under the bi-mettalic strip ) removed. How does one inject for silicone fluid into the unit and how does one know when its enough? PEter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Febi Parts
Febi Bilstein are not related at all to the Bilstein comapany that makes shockabsorbers. Their website is www.febi.de. Have used their branded parts and they are very good often from the OEM supplier. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Removing, was: Balancing a drive shaft, etc.
diese seite zu gelenkw - translates to this side towards driveshaft. Getriebe is gearbox, kw has nothing whatsoever to do with power in this context Peter 2009/9/27 OK Don okd...@gmail.com My thanks to all - I'll install it with the writing towards the shaft --- On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:57:50 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: THe only clues I see are the following molded into one side of the disk - DIESE SEITE Z. GELENKW I'm guessing that it translates into This side to ? The on-line translators give GELENKW as the English equalivilent, as I suspected they would. http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt says Gelenkwelle is Drive Shaft. (It also says driveshaft is Getriebewelle, but that's a different story.) Anyway, DIESE SEITE Z. GELENKW, means, This side toward driveshaft. Craig -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090927/aff6ad17/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090927/57eee934/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil cooler bypass
The 240D's in S Africa did not come with oil coolers, only 300D ( non turbo ) So I'm sure its quite same to run without the cooler Peter 2009/9/8 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Assuming this repair makes the massive oil leak quit I probably will switch to Mobil 1 again, at least for the winter. This car was wicked hard to start in the cold last winter. Wasn't so bad back when I used Mobil 1... If the massive oil leak has quit I'll probably even analyze the oil and see how long it can go on a change with mostly highway driving. Based on Kaleb saying its all turbo cars hes seen broke I'll probably run it as is, at least for now. Once the oil cooler fairy comes through I'll fix it right. -Curt Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 18:07:13 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil cooler bypass To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4aa58411.9070...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: So lets go over this oil cooler importance again. If I remember correctly Kaleb's position is that lack of an oil cooler will ruin the car post haste. But I seem to also remember his data being from turbo cars... Mine is a 240D, you wanna back that one up Kaleb? My car has been sitting with my Indy for a week while Kaleb scrounges around Okieland for a good oil cooler of which he supposedly has plenty. Prices on these are all over the map but I'm at the point where I just want my car back. So decisions: 1. Just get the car and drive it. If the engine blows up who cares it was a $400 car. B. Wait on Kaleb, support the list, have a warm glow. III. Order from Potomac German. 4. Run mobil one and assume it can't possibly get hot enough to break down? I suspect those dead Okie cars had 10W40 or 15W40 in them that turned into 10W or 15W when the viscosity extenders got cooked out of the oil. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090908/fb52b9c1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090908/88844e98/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bye bye Marshall
When did the list actually start? I have been on /off over many years . Marshall always helped out and made sense of many things than perflexed one Peter 2009/8/13 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net But we have you now. --R Gary Hurst wrote: marshall is historically the only reason this list exists. the whole mbz.org list system (apart from banned) was contingent upon marshall's agreed participation. had marhall said no, the plan was to never start the diesel list. just a bit of old school trivia for those of you who might still care = ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090813/c1fcdb2a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Transmission #
yes 2009/8/9 LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net Hi Gang - My transmission # is 722418 02 978225 - Does that mean I have a 722.4 transmission? Thanks to all - LarryT 91 300D Demand that any Health care reform that gets passed, must force members of the Legislative, Judicial Executive Branches of government to be included as well! -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090809/848c11ab/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090809/6992badc/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] hole in block 240D
Bought a Gwagen with an additional blown 240D engine , big end failure at #1 which threw a rod and punched a hole in block . Was wondering if the block is repairable? Main bearing foundations not affected . I don't want it but was hoping someone might be able to use it - or do I sell it for metal content. #1 crankpin was 40 thou smaller than the other 3 ! I guess conrod ran steel to steel for a while until it let go. Peter Capetown -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090602/46a21253/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler
So Mercedes Lost another wack of money through Chrysler. Here in South Africa Mercedes currently markets and distributes Chrysler products - I wonder what happens now ? Peter 2009/4/29 Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net UAW will have 55%, FIAT will start with less than 20% but will eventually hold 35%, The lien holders have agreed to walk away from 6.9B in debt with 2B in cash in hand, The Government will hold a stake (probably 10%) and the rest will be Cebrus. Daimler has already surrendered their 19.9% to Cebrus agreed to pay 600M to the pension fund over the next few years. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/ 256-656-1924 http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/%0A256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler What I heard was that the UAW will have a 55% stake, Fiat 35%, and the Government 10%. What happens to all the current shareholders I don't know. On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:09 -0400, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Bloomberg reports that according to people with direct knowledge of the situation, President Obama aims to announce a Chrysler bankruptcy tomorrow and say a Chrysler-Fiat alliance would be created in bankruptcy. :theflyonthewall.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.7/2085 - Release Date: 4/28/2009 6:02 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.7/2085 - Release Date: 4/28/2009 6:02 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090501/22eeea35/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OIl Analysis - High Copper and Iron
Did my first oil analysis on my Om617 300D. This engine I overhauled some 5 years and 8 km ago ( I assembled all myself ) . After initial fill its run on Mobil 1 only . Oil analysis came up with high Copper - @ 29 ppm and Iron @ 71 ppm . Lab report said that this could possibly be pump wear ( Injector or oil - not sure ) . Oil had only done 1800 km since oil change . Any suggestions where to go from here. I'm keen to change to Dino oil as the oil leaks are driving me mad! ( My other 3 cars were all OK - OM617 *2 and Om603 - they are all on Dino oil ) Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090425/b2d43a92/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OIl Analysis - High Copper and Iron
The car is well run in at 5miles! I ran dino in it for about 3000 miles. BTW the OEM oil filter is a bypass filter , the top 2/3 of the filter is the bypass section , the lower section is full flow. I'm really concerned about the Copper and Iron wear components - BTW my other OM617 engine tested has only done about 3000miles since rebuild and its Copper is 13 ppm and Iron 33 ppm, so its not normal initial wear metal problem I have on my 5miler. Peter 2009/4/25 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com 80,000 km is about 50,000 miles? Its possible the engine is still breaking in, how long was the original fill oil in the engine? How bad are the oil leaks? My 190D (OM601) has Mobil 1 5w40 and leaks a quart of oil in about 1,500 miles (so say 1 liter in ~2,400km) and is still improving. If you have more serious leaks might I suggest fixing them? I use Mobil 1 because I drive a lot and this way I only need to change the oil 2 or 3 times a year @ 15,000 mile intervals which my analysis supports. Marshall said that without a bypass oil filter you couldn't really do long change intervals on a 617 engine because the soot loading would get too high and I believe that. In my 240D I run Delvac 1300 because of that. Of course that car leaks a quart in ~200 miles because of bad oil cooler lines... -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:00:08 +0200 From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] OIl Analysis - High Copper and Iron To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 2ea1fde20904250800vd534288ib0f291c680318...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Did my first oil analysis on my Om617 300D. This engine I overhauled some 5 years and 8 km ago ( I assembled all myself ) . After initial fill its run on Mobil 1 only . Oil analysis came up with high Copper - @ 29 ppm and Iron @ 71 ppm . Lab report said that this could possibly be pump wear ( Injector or oil - not sure ) . Oil had only done 1800 km since oil change . Any suggestions where to go from here. I'm keen to change to Dino oil as the oil leaks are driving me mad! ( My other 3 cars were all OK - OM617 *2 and Om603 - they are all on Dino oil ) Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090425/b2d43a92/attachment.html -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090425/4f309f9c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090425/28b48641/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 280SE W126
After having lived on MB diesels ranging from the 180D ponton to the W124 300D I will probably take the plunge and buy a W126 280SE. ( The car is low mileage 5miles ) . Firstly how does one adapt to not having to wait to glow before starting ! I might have to see a therapist ! Seriously what issues are there with the M110 ( euro ) version and the W126 drivetrain. Thanks Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090324/9779307c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 280SE W126
2009/3/25 OK Don okd...@gmail.com I always considered that time as dedicated to letting the fuel pump get the system up to ooperating pressure before starting the car. Same sequence as the Diesels - get in, turn key on, curse the buzzer, fasten seat belt, start the car. . Firstly how does one adapt to not having to wait to glow before starting ! -- OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO Yes I like that one , its has a similar feeling! PEter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090324/64d6e370/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/b78ddadd/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Got my OM617 running on trolley
Check it out - my OM617 ( Car's name Blommie given by previous owner ) running on a stand need to make a dashboard for it and would like to run it as a generator one day Peter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muPUAyaw1H8 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090223/59cc78ef/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300GD
617's ran up to 1990 in the G's ( 460 series ) . There are some 300GD 463's in the USA. For the best english language G forum go to http://www.pointedthree.com/disc/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=57 Peter 2009/1/16 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Would this have a 60x engine? One presumes the 300GD followed the 300D for engines. Probably a 617. Wasn't it the G300D's that got the 603? I want a 463 G300D, but they basically don't exist here. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090116/72e556da/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300GD
Can't be 616's if its a 300. Up to 1990 - 617 , post 1990 603, 606 Peter 2009/1/16 ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org from what i've seen, early 300GDs seemed to have either the 616 or 617 (non-turbo). cheers! e Curt Raymond wrote: Drl... Would this have a 60x engine? One presumes the 300GD followed the 300D for engines. -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090116/37ba30ed/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090116/ab568fb4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New repair DVD's available
Only came across the infoaccess DVD's for $95 - there could not find the part numbers you listed on site? PEter 2009/1/9 relng...@aol.com MBUSA has released 2 new DVD's for W203 W211 chassis...first time they have released customer(client) repair info before the models were replaced! List price is only $60... Part number for the W203 chassis is P-2700-203-06 For the W211 chassis P-2700-211-06 Go to: www.mercedestechstore.com/index.htm RLE ** New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews0002) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090108/c8d3/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090109/73fefe57/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum
Which merc are they based on? Here in SA no one is interested in buying American vehicles - the Japs , European and now Chinese have the market Peter 2009/1/7 Steve MacSween steve.macsw...@videotron.ca There are no reasonably priced competent wrenches left in my area for the older cars. The only shop that is left has a shop rate of $90 per hour and they take bookings for two weeks down the road. They charged me $440 (P L) to replace the shift cable on my w126. Nay nay. I'm turning 50 this year and have an older house that also demands my time, so I'm too old and tired to spend time on old cars anymore, except as a hobby. I did keep my w111 and my cherry Texan w123 240d, both of which need engines. But driving a newer car with no issues is SO much more relaxing, in daily driver terms. I paid my dues over decades with old used Volvos and then Benzes, now I've 'retired' to Chrysler. You do know that the 300/Magnum/Charger were developed off Benz chassis, right? The Magnum is a nice piece of work. They eat them up in Europe, apparently. Mac on 1/7/09 11:57, Kaleb C. Striplin at ka...@striplin.net wrote: What is it with you long term hard core MB people buying crap american cars? First toad goes all chrysler on us, now you. Steve MacSween wrote: Had it two months and no complaints so far. SXT with 3.5 HO. I came to it for reasons of price/value/kick for buck in today's market. After the test drive there was no way I was not buying it. The alternatives (all 2004-2007 models): Ford Ranger (what I set out to buy): not enough headroom, BUMMER Subaru Forester: pricey for what you get, slightly cramped for me Subaru Outback: nice once I folded myself in two to get into it Volkswagen Passat: put me to sleep in 5 minutes Scion Van: kewl but unbearably cheap inside and you can hear every suspension movement every moment you drive Mazda 5: too cramped Volvo xc70: WOW best seats of any car anywhere, decent handling, scary repair stories so I ran away 300e: they are all scary movie time up here now, no decent ones left 300td: only decent one I have seen for months blew up (no joke) the day before I was to go see it Nissan Rogue: too cramped, nice package tho Dodge Caliber: Drove it as a rental for 3 weeks while I shopped. CVT sounds like a roto rooter half the time. Huge inside but I got tired of banging my head every time I got in, really quick. You can start the flames now ;). Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1878 - Release Date: 1/6/2009 7:56 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090107/d780e6f9/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Idle speed control w124 300D
My 87 300D idle speed control stops working when under the hood temps get high. Idle then runs up to around 1700 rpm . The voltage going to the idle servo on the inj pump also then increases to 12V from the normal 2.5 - 3.5 V. Anyone got any idea what the cause of this is? Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081229/f5430afb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing
2008/12/24 Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com Peter Merle wrote: Here in S .Africa one got a Chrome ( Stainless Steel ? ) backing plate , very much the same as the front one thats on the EPC. I'l try and find out what the part number is. PEter I've never seen a euro 123s with a rear bracket, and the EPC doesn't show one. But, the EPC doesn't show a rear bracket for South Africa, either. There's probably an SA code for that; do you have the VIN for a South African car handy? The front bracket is P/N 123 817 03 78 with two of 116 810 06 14 between the bracket and the bumper. Good Christmas, everyone. Tom Off to Indiana for a few days. Tom, A lot of the S.Africa parts are captured on the EPC ( eg radiator ) so I am not surprised its not there. My car is 1979 and does not register a datacard on the EPC. EPC for W123 's I believe only started arround 1982 Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081226/56603e18/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Rear License plate backing
I'm trying to find out if US and / or European W123 sedans came with a chromed rear license plate backing plate. Local - South African ones did but I have a German import and that one appears not to have one - not sure if that's correct for that car or not. Anyone know ? PEter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081223/ca7f680a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing
Here in S .Africa one got a Chrome ( Stainless Steel ? ) backing plate , very much the same as the front one thats on the EPC. I'l try and find out what the part number is. PEter 2008/12/24 Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.com Yes, I know. Wilton - Original Message - From: Robert Rentfro rrent...@cox.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing That's what Chuck is talking about. Out here it seems every dealer has to slap on their plate frame on your car when you buy it. Or, any other type like the ones that say My other car is a Mooney or I heart my dog head. Now when the speeding cameras take your picture they can tack on the extra $135 for covering up Arizona Bob R -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 8:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing That's why I've never seen one on a 123 - only the aftermarket crap. Wilton - Original Message - From: TE ban...@carolina.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing I think hes talking about the mounting bracket... not a license plate frame. I know my W126 had one, but both W123s ive owned only had the machine screw holes in the body. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing Any such backing plates or frames that I've seen here in NC, USA, are after market, often also displaying somebody's advertisement/dealership, etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing I'm trying to find out if US and / or European W123 sedans came with a chromed rear license plate backing plate. Local - South African ones did but I have a German import and that one appears not to have one - not sure if that's correct for that car or not. Anyone know ? PEter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081223/ca 7f680a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081224/6c845d5b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Preserving hydraulics
I am busy stripping a W123 and would like some advice on the preservation storage of brake hydraulic components . Can I use paraffin or ATF in the hydraulics to prevent corrosion? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics
What about the insides of the cylinders ? eg master cylinders - the parts are all operational - I was hoping to keep it all together and not strip the hydraulics Peter 2008/12/13 LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com No, I believe that's exactly what you describe - a wax-based preservative intended to prevent corrosion, but it's not Cosmoline. Any major engine manufacturer, especially in the industrial engine world, offers some sort of preservative oil for long term storage. I used to use it some years ago with Cummins and John Deere engines. Both companies offered the product, and it was nothing more than a really heavy oil that was really viscous that you sprayed on the exposed metal parts of the engines before you mothballed them. You could probably accomplish the same thing with some machine oil in a spray bottle. As long as the exposed surfaces are covered and there is something to keep the stuff in place (wrapping in some heavy oiled paper, like grocery bags are made of) it should be fine. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 11:09 AM Isn't cosmoline the product used in the engine bay of our cars when they leave the factory. Kind of a yellowy waxy looking coating? Drop LarryT a note, I think he has some stuff from England which is similar and may fit the bill. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com Peter, Try and find some preservative oil, known around these parts by the brand name Cosmoline. This, along with heavy brown paper soaked in the same, is often used for long term storage of metal parts. You basically spray the stuff all over the part and wrap it up in brown paper. I'm sure there are similar preservative sprays available in your part of the world. Try a marine engine supplier - they would have something, I'm sure. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 9:36 AM I am busy stripping a W123 and would like some advice on the preservation storage of brake hydraulic components . Can I use paraffin or ATF in the hydraulics to prevent corrosion? Peter ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on
Hope you get a job soon , its happening down here in South Africa a lot as well Regards Peter 2008/12/10 Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got whacked today at work. I at least have 30 days left there, could have been worse. Will get a severance package after that, but the buying freeze is now back on. As much as I would love to, I guess Im not going to go after that 140 with the broken valve cover etc like I planned. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Compression measurement
After having bought a diesel compression gauge - not the motometer one unfortunately- I find I always got low compression values - around 16 bar. The instrument has a long ( 430 mm ) 1/4 ID pipe going to the non-return value which is at the base of the gauge. Well I did some calculations and the volume of the pipe leading up to the gauge is about 13.8 cm3 ! When compared to the combustion chamber volume of around 27.2 cm3 it is quite significant as the pipe volume can be considered as part of the combustion chamber . This reduces the effective compression ratio to about 14.6! - no wonder the pressures are always pretty low. Are my assumptions correct ? Does the motometer instrument have the non return valve at the engine end ? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Compression measurement
The check valve is at the gauge end! This is riduculous as you say. Chinese piece of crap that I paid a lot of money for. PEter 2008/12/11 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did some calculations and the volume of the pipe leading up to the gauge is about 13.8 cm3! So what? That's why there is a check valve in the part that screws into the head. If there isn't, the gauge is of course a POS, as you've calculated. But even my $18 Harbor Freight diesel compression set has the check valves in the right places. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Towing W123 with no Rear Diff
Sorry not turbo - there are propably only 1 or 2 in this country Peter 2008/11/24 andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter, If it's a 1981 - 1985 turbo W123 how about removing the temp. and blower motor regulators and shipping them to me for a pittance (unless you KNOW they don't work). My ACC is erratic but acts the same with two different push button modules, so it must be something else. The monovalve isn't suspect either. On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a scrap W123 which I am stripping and eventually I will tow it to the breakers yard . Now I want to keep the diff but I see the diff is integral part of the rear suspension and it seems that if the diff it out there is a strong possibility that the rear suspension will fall apart when towing the vehicle . Any solutions to my dilema? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Towing W123 with no Rear Diff
Its a 1982 model with a large compressor at the lower left of the engine ( not york ) - not sure if that helps Peter 2008/11/24 andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] They don't weigh much, and slow ocean freight might not be all that dear. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: My correct qualifier question should have been whether it had Type III ACC (horizontal push buttons). Still a long shot Also a long shot that shipping from South Africa would be a pittance. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Towing W123 with no Rear Diff
I have a scrap W123 which I am stripping and eventually I will tow it to the breakers yard . Now I want to keep the diff but I see the diff is integral part of the rear suspension and it seems that if the diff it out there is a strong possibility that the rear suspension will fall apart when towing the vehicle . Any solutions to my dilema? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Towing W123 with no Rear Diff
All I want is the diff the suspension arms can get thrown away- mind you the shocks are Ok , so I might salvage those - the diff seems to also locate the axle in the fore - aft direction ie going through a pot-hole might rip the suspension off. Flat bed call out is expensive here - will cost more than the scrap value Peter 2008/11/23 Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 08:37:21 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a scrap W123 which I am stripping and eventually I will tow it to the breakers yard. If you want to keep the diff and suspension parts, the only way to do that is to roll it up on a flatbed trailer, then finish stripping it on the trailer. I dont see anyway of hauling it off on its own wheels if you want to keep those parts. If you remove the rear half-shafts, won't the hubs still stay in the ends of the trailing arms? I think so. If you remove the differential, won't the part of rear suspension that holds the differential bump up against the body of the car? Answering my own question, maybe not. I recall taking the rear differential support off and the whole thing lowering toward the ground. So, if you could wire or some other way keep the rear of the part that holds the differential up against the body, it would work (and you would want to tow really slowly). A piece of wood (here in the States, a 2x4; I don't know what they have in South Africa) running between the rear bumper and the driveshaft intermediate bearing support and tied to each with steel wire would do the trick. Without the differential, there isn't that much weight to support. If you don't like that way of jury-rigging (hey, it's a one-way trip to the knackers, after all), you could tow it backwards on two wheels with something like a tow truck. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Towing W123 with no Rear Diff
Thanks guys , the wood substitute should work well. Peter 2008/11/23 Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:35:05 +0200 Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a scrap W123 which I am stripping and eventually I will tow it to the breakers yard . Now I want to keep the diff but I see the diff is integral part of the rear suspension and it seems that if the diff it out there is a strong possibility that the rear suspension will fall apart when towing the vehicle . Any solutions to my dilema? Yes, here's what you do: 1. Remove the differential and lay the rear subframe (the U shaped piece) down. 2. Remove both rear axle half-shafts. 3. Get a piece of wood that is wider than the differential bolt pattern to the subframe and wider than the rear differential support bolt pattern to the body (probably 20 cm wide would do it). The wood has to be thick enough to carry the load (probably 4 cm). 4. Cut the wood longer than the distance from the front bolt holes on the subframe to the rear bolt holes on the body. 5. Match drill the front end of the wood to the diff bolt holes in the subframe. 6. Bolt the wood to the subframe. 7. Drill holes for the rear bolts to allow the bolts for the rear diff support holes to go through the wood and bolt the wood to the body. 8. Tow the car, with its driver, slowly to the knackers. In lieu of 7, you could leave the rear diff support in place and lash the wood to that. In lieu of 3 - 7 you could use a long piece of wood tied to the bumper and the driveshaft intermediate bearing support. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Flexidiscs W123
Bought new OEM replacement rubber discs for the propshaft for my W123 and I see no marking indicating orientation. Are they now bi-directional? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Flexidiscs W123
In the past they had more strength in the driven by the engine direction than the opposite direction so had a directionality indicted on the unit , but I see the new one's don't have it . Peter 2008/11/19 OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] The disks I installed in the 107 didn't have any markings, and the FSM didn't mention anything related to orientation. On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:23:39 +0200 Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bought new OEM replacement rubber discs for the propshaft for my W123 and I see no marking indicating orientation. Are they now bi-directional? Peter I bought new OEM replacement flex disks when I modified our 240D (to turn it into its present 240D/3.0) 7 years ago. Those disks never had any orientation marking. In fact, I can't see how they would ever have had any preferred rotation direction. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Sorry about late response but mine is the non turbo 617.912 engine -no oil spray jets to cool pistons. I seemto recall that the oil pump thrust bearing that screws in at the top was quite worn when I overhauled the engine and was replaced with a new one. This thrust piece has a copper face that wears -perhaps this is the source of the copper? I think I will have to remove the current it and see if its worn On 28/10/2008, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, and if the tops are not kept cool, oil can burn on the rings and in the grooves. This will create a problem similar to what Peter described. As always, it is just something to check, and not a diagnosis At 05:37 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote: The oil spray nozzles are used for cooling the piston tops. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Is it possible the piston oil spray nozzles were not cleaned and working during the previous rebuild? That might account for the rings being carboned up the first time, and again now. At 04:40 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote: Hi Peter -- You asked what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? IIRC you wrote that a 300 W123 was the problem (in your fleet ;-) and I believe - not 100% sure - the 300D Turbo had squirters under the pistons and the non turbo did not - I believe those squirters cool the piston crowns and provide some lubrication to the cylinders - otherwise it comes from splashing of the crank. The carbon on the rings certainly sound like a strong likelyhood. What kind of driving does this car see? Any long distance/high speed stuff? I do not believe it has anything to do with your rebuilding technique. I suspect you are right about the machine shop not having enough crosshatch to get good ring bedding. It's also extremely important to have a shop that is xperienced with MB - hopeflly yours was. When I rebuilt my 240D I replaced the sleeves and pistons/rings - I had to replace the pistons because several rings had broken and damaged the piston grooves/lands. But when honing for new rings it's not all that difficult to do - Let me ponder this some -but those carboned rings really sound like the problem - but I wonder what caused it the 1st time? Any idea? Later -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Larry , compression is down - around 18 bar all round and starting has become more slightly more difficult. It did not achieve full 24 bar when newly overhauled and I can only ascribe this to not optimal machining. honing by engineering shop - perhaps this is the cause of the malay?? Oil pressure is 2 bar at idle hot and it pegs at 3 immediately. Was thinking - what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? What is also unusual is that when I overhauled the engine all the rings where carboned up onto the piston on all 5 pistons. I suspect the same might be happening again. I was not however my driveing that contributed to this as I had just bought the car when I overahuauled it. My other Om617's show now sighn of similar problems - I also overhauled my 300GD ( a crack in head that had been repaired by previous owner was starting to leak ) and thats going well. Oil consumption is still low ( arround 0.2 l/ 1000 km ) PEter 2008/10/27 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the oil consumption from leaks or is it being burned? If burning, the time it is burning will help understand what might be wrong. If after idling for a few minutes you accelerate and leave a smoke trail bad valve guides are indicated. If it has white oil smoke whiledriving at a steady speed, rings are likely the problem - or something related to the pistons. A single oil sample is not as informative as several - preferably at intervals of 1500 miles or more. As Curt pointed out, results are best evaluated over time. The history of the engine is helpful info also - if used for short trips where it was not warmed enough to burn off carbon deposits a misleading indication can ccur -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Larry , compression is down - around 18 bar all round and starting has become more slightly more difficult. It did not achieve full 24 bar when newly overhauled and I can only ascribe this to not optimal machining. honing by engineering shop - perhaps this is the cause of the malay?? Oil pressure is 2 bar at idle hot and it pegs at 3 immediately. Was thinking - what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? What is also unusual is that when I overhauled the engine all the rings where carboned up onto the piston on all 5 pistons. I suspect the same might be happening again. I was not however my driveing that contributed to this as I had just bought the car when I overahuauled it. My other Om617's show now sighn of similar problems - I also overhauled my 300GD ( a crack in head that had been repaired by previous owner was starting to leak ) and thats going well. Oil consumption is still low ( arround 0.2 l/ 1000 km ) PEter 2008/10/27 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the oil consumption from leaks or is it being burned? If burning, the time it is burning will help understand what might be wrong. If after idling for a few minutes you accelerate and leave a smoke trail bad valve guides are indicated. If it has white oil smoke whiledriving at a steady speed, rings are likely the problem - or something related to the pistons. A single oil sample is not as informative as several - preferably at intervals of 1500 miles or more. As Curt pointed out, results are best evaluated over time. The history of the engine is helpful info also - if used for short trips where it was not warmed enough to burn off carbon deposits a misleading indication can ccur -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Yes indeed I rebuilt the engine myself 5 years ago. I was meticulous and used OEM parts throughout. Used dino oil for the first two changes 500, 5000 km then switched to Mobil 1 . It never ran low in oil. Running in was carefully done follwing recommended practice. Peter 2008/10/26 Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] The one with high iron levels, did you do the rebuild yourself? Sounds like a bad job was done and the rings are breaking down... When I first got my 190D oil analysis showed high iron levels and would force an oil change at ~8000 miles. Over the next 20,000 miles or so the iron levels reduced at each change so that now after ~75,000 miles of ownership iron levels are normal at 15,000 mile oil changes and I'm pondering 20,000... During the time of high iron levels the car started fine and had normal power. I theorized the car was carboned up and had sludge from the previous owner using cheap oil... -Curt Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:04:15 +0200 From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Peter's 300GD
They were offically sold here so is not grey market. Can be used as daily driver - I get 10 -11 l/100 km. Peter 2008/10/26 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Max Dillon wrote: Peter, How do you like your 300GD? Is it a grey-market truck? I think they were officially exported to South Africa. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Remember this?
Its definitely a non turbo -can tell by the vin number and engine number Peter 2008/10/10 Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] My wife loves this color combination and adores the interior so I was interested in it. Then the price when crazy and the questions started. The guy is obviously not being up front. Any good seller would have made a note about being told by LOTS of potential bidders that the car obviously has something up. That and the fact that he never lists the replies to emails and doesn't post engine pics makes me very nervous of this one... -Curt --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Remember this? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 7:38 PM First of all, I have NO interest in buying another car right now. I need to SELL cars. But as an anti-bozo service to all on the list, I am helping to discover what this turkey really is. He did send me pictures of the engine bay, and as previously posted, it is either a .12. turbo engine, not original, or worse yet, some bozo hung a turbo on the .10. euro non-turbo engine, a recipe for disaster. In response to the engine photos I sent him this: Thank you. Can you send me a picture of the engine number plate, if the numbers are readable, or an email with the engine number form the plate? Thanks. This is either not the original engine, or the original engine has been improperly modified. Therefore, I can't bid without knowing the engine number. If anyone on the list buys it or looks at the car, please inform the list. (after the conclusion of the sale, if you are bidding). At 03:37 PM 10/9/2008, you wrote: Interesting, he wouldn't send them to me and he won't add them to the listing... --- On Thu, 10/9/08, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Remember this? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 3:09 PM He forwarded me pictures of the engine. It has a turbo. -Dave Walton Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange intermittent idling problem
Just a view from South Africa - here biodiesel is priced as just below regular diesel so its not worth it ( energy density is some 10 % less ) + its quality is dubious. WVO is arround a third of the price of diesel here it become pure economics ( if you don't count all the hassels with WVO) ) to run WVO - the break even point is arround 2km with a W123 300D - you could literally throw the car away at that distance and you will have broken even when compared it to a car running diesel! For the record I run all my diesels ( 5 off ) on 500 ppm diesel - the 50ppm stuff here cause in O- ring damage to my Om603 Peter 2008/10/9 Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Properly finalized biodiesel is pure, no water, methanol, or NaOH/KOH. Luther Peter Frederick wrote: Glycerine is much less of a problem than the accompanying water and sodium methoxide, which corrodes the bejesus out of everything. Peter On Oct 8, 2008, at 8:47 PM, Luther wrote: Home-brew biodiesel can be made to or greater than ASTM standards. I personally know several who have done it and had their samples officially tested. Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange intermittent idling problem
This engine has been driven has been using WVO for arround 12000 km . It is using a 1micro filter. He has another W123 300D also on WVo and its been going for arround 32000 km now without issues. What gets damaged in the pump? Surely it would be terminal and not intermittant. Thanks Peter 2008/10/8 Mathieu J. Cama [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter, Intermittent missing can be a sign of weak compression on a particular cylinder. Cover your bases and do a compression test or, better yet, a leak down test if you have the equipment. Prior to checking compression, make sure valve lash has been set properly for all valves. While checking valve lash, also carefully inspect each cam lobe for wear/scoring. A worn cam lobe can also cause this symptom. FYI, per the factory 1980 TDM, the specs are as follows: Wear limit for compression is 15 bar (220.50 psi), below that the motor will likely not run. (Installation tolerance is 22-24 bar (323-352 psi)) Maximum loss for leakdown test is: 25%. Maximum compression differential between cylinders at operating temperature is 3 bar (~45 psi). If compression/ leak down checks out OK, make sure the cam timing is on the mark. Is there any sort of smoke or other symptom(s) that would be indicative of the IP being off-time? If these check out fine, I would delve into the fuel side of the motor. Diesels are simple, with correct timing, good compression, and fuel, it has to ignite. Not many variables, here. If this car has been running WVO, the injection pump may have suffered damage and in turn cause this symptom. I have seen that before. Insufficiently heated or poorly filtered WVO will trash an IP in short order. Mathieu www.oldworldauto.com On Oct 7, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Peter Merle wrote: A friend of mine brought his W123 300D ( Non turbo ) to me to try and sort out his intermittent idle problem. - Usually the engine purrs nicely but then every now and then the idle speed drops and engine runs roughly. When this occurs I isolated the problem to #1 cyl - ( by disconnecting each fuel line in turn #1 did not have a affect ) . When engine runs #1 is fine as are all other cylinders. I initially checked spray pattern on the tester - Ok . I replaced the injector with a known good one and the problem was still there. I then replaced dellivery valve an dth eproblem is still present. I am now a bit stumped - coul dit be a stuck injection pump element? what about an engine valve not closing? Any ideas are welcome! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange intermittent idling problem
Thanks for that valuable info , will recommend to friend to check compressions / valve clearance etc . Peter 2008/10/8 Mathieu J. Cama [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Oct 8, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Peter Merle wrote: This engine has been driven has been using WVO for arround 12000 km . It is using a 1micro filter. He has another W123 300D also on WVo and its been going for arround 32000 km now without issues. What gets damaged in the pump? Surely it would be terminal and not intermittant. Thanks Peter Peter, I have a number of clients that run/have run WVO. One has amassed in excess of 80k miles on WVO and is only now beginning to show signs of problems, while others traveled only a few thousand miles and ended up with damaged IPs. The viability of running WVO is only as good as the conversion. Most conversions do not heat the WVO to a high enough temperature (min. 160 F) and this is the number one cause for IP failure based on my experience. The viscosity of properly heated WVO is close to that of cold diesel. As temperature of the WVO decreases its viscosity rises at a near exponential rate. Our IPs were designed to operate with fuel having a viscosity lower than that of cold diesel, i.e. warm diesel. It was never expected that these IPs would be continually running cold diesel; it would only see such until the motor reached running temperature and was able to warm the fuel. If in doubt, feel your spin-on fuel filter after a 20 minute drive,, it will be downright warm, even without an auxiliary fuel heater. Given this, my hypothesis is IP failure is a question of when and not if when running WVO. I owned a Euro 300td, non-turbo OM617. It saw WVO under the previous owner's tenure (+/- 10k miles) and the oil was not sufficiently heated. That motor would often, not always, suffer hard starting when hot and an intermittent miss, only at idle, hot and/or cold. The miss was without rhyme or reason with the exception it was more prevalent at higher ambient temperatures. However, once running, it exhibited excellent power, textbook fuel economy, and did not miss off idle. All of this running diesel. I replaced the IP with a known good unit and all the problems went away. Of course, I did my homework to verify the rest of the motor and fuel system was sound before proceeding with the IP. However, the majority of the MB diesels I have come across with an intermittent miss at idle either have defective fuel injector(s) or a cylinder with out of spec compression on one or more cylinders (be it due to rings, valves, etc). It would be foolish to conclude a faulty IP based on your symptoms without doing further diagnostic on the motor. In conclusion, the IP issue can be intermittent based on my experience. MB IPs seldom fail catastrophically and without warning. Almost always, they show signs long before complete failure. As to what fails in the IP, there are a myriad of possibilities. Truth is, it really does not matter, as IPs are meant to be serviced only by those with the equipment and experience necessary to repair them. IPs are not meant to be repaired by the general mechanic or the casual DIYer (outside of delivery valves and seals, the feed pump, and oil servicing for the M pumps with self contained oil systems). Proper diagnosis and repair of the IP requires a calibration bench among many other things. Some things are best left to the professionals. There are only two outfits in the US I would trust my IPs to. Mathieu www.oldworldauto.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Strange intermittent idling problem
A friend of mine brought his W123 300D ( Non turbo ) to me to try and sort out his intermittent idle problem. - Usually the engine purrs nicely but then every now and then the idle speed drops and engine runs roughly. When this occurs I isolated the problem to #1 cyl - ( by disconnecting each fuel line in turn #1 did not have a affect ) . When engine runs #1 is fine as are all other cylinders. I initially checked spray pattern on the tester - Ok . I replaced the injector with a known good one and the problem was still there. I then replaced dellivery valve an dth eproblem is still present. I am now a bit stumped - coul dit be a stuck injection pump element? what about an engine valve not closing? Any ideas are welcome! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange intermittent idling problem
What do you think it is Mitch? I have introduced a new injector to #1 and it made no difference. Peter 2008/10/7 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Swap #1 and #2 injectors, see what happens. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spill timing an OM603
Thanks guys Peter On 11/09/2008, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No Peter Merle wrote: Can one time an OM603 using the spill timing method? If so what are the specs. Thanks Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 6:00 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Spill timing an OM603
Can one time an OM603 using the spill timing method? If so what are the specs. Thanks Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spill timing an OM603
Do you have a link for the tool supplier? Have you tried using the eyeball method described in the Haynes MAnual? Peter 2008/9/10 John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter Merle wrote: Can one time an OM603 using the spill timing method? If so what are the specs. Not to my knowledge. I don't think there are any specs posted... which is a good part of the reason. The only way I know to do it is using a nearly $300 tool. There are two other ways, but they required a lot more time and effort. So I bought the tool and was done with it. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spill timing an OM603
How would you do the timing using the lock tool? I guess the steps would be 1. Remove IP ( do you need to remove Manifold and or oil filter housing? 2. Set IP to 15 deg BTDC using lock tool 3. Set engine to 15 deg BTDC 4. By playing with the timing adjustment screw get the pump to slot in Are my assumptions right? Peter 2008/9/10 John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter Merle wrote: Do you have a link for the tool supplier? Have you tried using the eyeball method described in the Haynes MAnual? http://www.w124performance.com/images/tools/IP__RIV_tool.jpg Here is one of the other tools... you have to remove the IP to set the timing using this method http://www.w124performance.com/images/tools/IP__lock_tool.jpg Call Rusty. Should be a number on the bottom of this email. Never heard of the eyeball method... I'm hesitant to trust it from the name, and the Haynes manual doesn't help much ;) BTW, you can call 1-800-4MERCEDES and you can get the official W124 service manuals mailed to you on CD. Cost is about $75. Contact me offlist for some more information on a 'discount'. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spill timing an OM603
why do you have to remove the fan though? Peter 2008/9/10 John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter Merle wrote: How would you do the timing using the lock tool? I guess the steps would be 1. Remove IP ( do you need to remove Manifold and or oil filter housing? 2. Set IP to 15 deg BTDC using lock tool 3. Set engine to 15 deg BTDC 4. By playing with the timing adjustment screw get the pump to slot in Are my assumptions right? Look like it to me! The other thing is if you have any timing chain stretch you'll have to play with it some. The other thing I don't know is how you actually check it. I guess you set the engine to 15 ATDC and make sure the tool fits? With the expensive tool it takes longer to remove the fan than it does to check the timing. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Om617 fitting into W126
How difficult will it be to get a manual tranny Om617 ( non -turbo ) to fit into a W126 ? Here in SA we did not get the 300SD 's and furthur the 300SD only came in auto tranny. I have a spare OM617 non turbo and gearbox thay I was thinking of fitting into a 280SE body. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Om617 fitting into W126
Will the W123 / or the W126 280SE manual tranny linkages work? 280Se manuals I believe are available here. PEter 2008/8/23 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter Merle wrote: How difficult will it be to get a manual tranny Om617 ( non -turbo ) to fit into a W126 ? Here in SA we did not get the 300SD 's and furthur the 300SD only came in auto tranny. I have a spare OM617 non turbo and gearbox thay I was thinking of fitting into a 280SE body. I'm thinking you'd need 300SD front motor mounts (maybe from Rusty), gearshift linkages and clutch pedal/cylinder assembly (are those common 126 items in SA?), a crossmember that puts the tranny mount under the back of the tranny, and a driveshaft of the appropriate length. Those last two items might require modification/fabrication. Oh, and it might be easiest to use radiator and hoses and exhaust parts for a real 300SD so that all the plumbing fits right. (I'd probably just have a local fabricator handle the exhaust as a custom job) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] best way to start worn out diesel
Unfortunately my SA spec OM617 does not have a threaded hole for the block heater - there is a normal welsch plug . Thanks for the tips Peter 2008/7/10 Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It seems than at Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:19:45 +0200, Peter wrote: My old w123 300D is on its last 10km , compression +- 15 bar and it currently requires about 12 sec of glowing ( new type plugs ) and seconds of cranking at 10degC ambient. Now the question is do you glow twice and possibly reduce cranking time , or reduce glow time and crank more - there is a compromise between glowplug life , starter motor life and battery life. I wonder what the best compromise is. Further throttling help with cold starting ? - the idea being that all that excess air drawn in when starting cools the intake charge unnecessarily. Regards Peter I quite driving one of my 240s when it required two glow cycles and the starter plus a good sized hill if the air temperature was below 10 C (50 F). The block heater is big help. In my experience, more glow and less crank seems to work best. But as summer turned into autumn, and daytime temperatures stayed below 15 C (60 F), I retired the car. It's one of my best parts cars now! --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] best way to start worn out diesel
My old w123 300D is on its last 10km , compression +- 15 bar and it currently requires about 12 sec of glowing ( new type plugs ) and seconds of cranking at 10degC ambient. Now the question is do you glow twice and possibly reduce cranking time , or reduce glow time and crank more - there is a compromise between glowplug life , starter motor life and battery life. I wonder what the best compromise is. Further throttling help with cold starting ? - the idea being that all that excess air drawn in when starting cools the intake charge unnecessarily. Regards Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W123 with 2.3 millon km for sale
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[MBZ] W124 300D anti jerk
I see that according to the epc my vehicle should have the anti jerk unit mounted on the inj pump. Mine does not have it and its not very pleasant to drive in that in surges when shifting gears ( manual tranny ). can the pump work without the anti jerk? Not sure if previous owner removed it but I somewhat I doubt it Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W124 300D rough start
My W124 300D has a slight roughness/ engine speed wouble for the first 5 sec after a cold start - otherwise smooth. HAve checked injector spray pattern and balanced pressures. Checked glowplugs all draw +_18A. Is this normal? - i have a friend that has the same phenomenen. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug testing
It's a Beru plug and glowing at the base of the tip and not the end - see picture - so when you look down the injector hole you see no glowing tip. I suspect its not effective anymore as the car suddenly battled to start . I only visually checked glowplugs as I was about to reinsert the injectors after having done a compression check. I also changed delivery valves on the pump from another one as I thought perhaps they were leaking . http://s285.photobucket.com/albums/ll57/petermerle/?action=viewcurrent=IMG_3414.jpg Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] MW Pump delivery valves
I had a look at the delivery valves as I suspected that these could be one of the reasons fro the poor starting of my $750 300D now named Vuka after a Chinese scooter that sells for the same price here. There are are light markings on the valve surface - see picture . Does this look OK or should they be throw away? I did find a glow plug defective ( see previous post ) . Having also set the injector pressures to around 130 - 135 bar the cold idling is a bit rough - it used to be amazingly smooth before ( 3 injectors were at 100 bar and 2 at 120 bar ) . Is this due to other perhaps worse delivery valves or the higher injector pressures? http://s285.photobucket.com/albums/ll57/petermerle/?action=viewcurrent=IMG_2790.jpg Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Afterglow
Which mercedes series did they introduce afterglow to assist smooth idling when cold? For how long does it afterglow for ? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking for 220V Om617 block heater
Normal = pressed cap This engine is for the South African market so I guess they decided a block heater is not required even though it can get to -12 deg here in winter Peter 2008/5/31 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Discovered my block has a normal core plug where the threaded block heater should go . I guess those engined destined to warmer climates did not have an option to mount a heater What is 'normal'? A pressed-in cap? My engine has three threaded plugs, only one of which was removed to install the block heater. As I doubt that they intended to mount more than one, I wonder why this engine was built without two 'normal' plugs. Could yours have been a license-built motor, thus explaining the difference? Seems that the 'normal' plug seen here is a 19mm allen threaded plug. If a block heater isn't in the cards, you could always go with the inline type. They work, too. Just not quite as well, nor as elegantly. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking for 220V Om617 block heater
You're right! Peter 2008/6/1 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Normal = pressed cap This engine is for the South African market so I guess they decided a block heater is not required even though it can get to -12 deg here in winter So, the real question is whether or not your cap was pressed into a threaded hole or not. Kinda suck to chisel that thing out of there only to find you couldn't screw in a block heater. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MW Pump delivery valves
Just some dust settling on them ! Peter 2008/6/1 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There are light markings on the [delivery] valve surface Does this look OK or should they be thrown away? I don't know anything about these, really, but that thing looks rough. (Nice shot with the EOS, though.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking for 220V Om617 block heater
Discovered my block has a normal core plug where the threaded block heater should go . I guess those engined destined to warmer climates did not have an option to mount a heater 2008/5/31 Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: actually he did Rusty Cullens wrote: Because he didn't say it was 220v Mr. Hurst/ Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for 220V Om617 block heater so why you telling this guy you have them then? On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I don't. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for 220V Om617 block heater you have 220 volt ones? On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have them for $49.95 Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: [MBZ] Looking for 220V Om617 block heater I'm looking for a block heater for my tired 300D to nurse it through the winter here in Capetown. The agents want $500 ! anyone know who sells aftermarket ones? BTW where does it mount on the block ? PEter Merle ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Glow plug testing
I discovered much to my amazement that one of my glow plugs measures OK ( +- 1 ohm ) and draws 17 A from the battery yet does not glow! Has anyone had this before ? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Looking for 220V Om617 block heater
I'm looking for a block heater for my tired 300D to nurse it through the winter here in Capetown. The agents want $500 ! anyone know who sells aftermarket ones? BTW where does it mount on the block ? PEter Merle ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking for 220V Om617 block heater
Do you have 220V ones Rusty? Where do these things fit? Peter 2008/5/30 Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]: of course he did. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because he didn't say it was 220v Mr. Hurst/ Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for 220V Om617 block heater so why you telling this guy you have them then? On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I don't. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for 220V Om617 block heater you have 220 volt ones? On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have them for $49.95 Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: [MBZ] Looking for 220V Om617 block heater I'm looking for a block heater for my tired 300D to nurse it through the winter here in Capetown. The agents want $500 ! anyone know who sells aftermarket ones? BTW where does it mount on the block ? PEter Merle ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking for 220V Om617 block heater
Seems like you get 2 kinds , one that fits in the M14 threaded hole near starter motor and another in the M38 ? threaded hole in the cylinder head? Any know for sure. Rusty what size thread does your have ? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking for 220V Om617 block heater
came accross this picture - not sure what thread size is - will this fit in the block drain hole? http://s285.photobucket.com/albums/ll57/petermerle/?action=viewcurrent=M617BlockHeater.jpg Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 300D losing compression??
compression is low - 16 bar all round at sea level Peter 2008/5/11 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It seems the next step would be to check compression. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Merle Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 1:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 300D losing compression?? Engine was bored to 91.5mm ( Yes it is allowed check EPC and Mercedes OEM piston A6170301917 ) was used. HEad was redone using only OEM parts , including new guides all round . Oil consumption has increased from and initial 0.2 to approx 0.5 l /1000 km. Engineering shop was one that services the local Mercedes Dealership here in Capetown , South Africa so they should know what they are doing. Crank was sized up one repair size. Oil pressure is good ( 1.8 bar idle hot ) Running in used Dino oil initially ( 1000km ) and then switched to M1 . Valve clearances are all in spec. I am using DNOSD240 nozzles ( should really be using DNOSD220 nozzles as car is early 1979 ) . Shoud I do a major hill climb burnout? Add some magic potion to the fuel / oil? Peter 2008/5/10 Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you don't have increased oil consuption, it's definitely the valves, but if the valve guides were not installed and sized correctly, you now have worn over-size guides, and the valve seats, especially on the exhaust valves, are shot, causing low compression. The only way to tell is to do a proper leak-down test and see where the compression is leaking out. On a Benz, you really MUST rebuild exactly to factory specs -- in the case of the diesel this usually means new pistons, new liners, and proper clearance --- 0.001 on the pistons (this is NOT a misprint) and ZERO to 0.0005 on the valve guides. They are correct size if you can barely get the valve in the guide by hand, oiled. They won't go in dry. Any looser, and it will both burn oil and wear out much faster. Also, you MUST use bronze exhaust guides on the 61x engines -- steel ones wear out unblieveably fast (sometimes in less than 10,000 miles), causing low compression, hard starts, and ruined exhaust valves. Crank can be ground twice before you go through the factory nitride IF it's done correctly. The shop simply has to be using metric measuring tools, calculated from SAE results in undersized crank journals every time. Don't know the story of the rebuild -- what was the assembly clearance on pistons, valve stems, main bearings, crankpin bearings? New oil pump? Properly done, with correctly matched rings and liners (there are several different materials, some are NOT compatible!) a 61x engine ought to make 250,000 miles before it needs valves on Mobil 1. Lots of low speed low load driving can sludge it up and cause the rings to stick, but that's only a problem on a worn engine usually, and can be cleared by a nice, hard drive on the interstate. Sadly, stuck rings usually means worn out cylinder walls. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.14/1425 - Release Date: 5/9/2008 12:38 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.14/1425 - Release Date: 5/9/2008 12:38 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 300D losing compression??
Engine was bored to 91.5mm ( Yes it is allowed check EPC and Mercedes OEM piston A6170301917 ) was used. HEad was redone using only OEM parts , including new guides all round . Oil consumption has increased from and initial 0.2 to approx 0.5 l /1000 km. Engineering shop was one that services the local Mercedes Dealership here in Capetown , South Africa so they should know what they are doing. Crank was sized up one repair size. Oil pressure is good ( 1.8 bar idle hot ) Running in used Dino oil initially ( 1000km ) and then switched to M1 . Valve clearances are all in spec. I am using DNOSD240 nozzles ( should really be using DNOSD220 nozzles as car is early 1979 ) . Shoud I do a major hill climb burnout? Add some magic potion to the fuel / oil? Peter 2008/5/10 Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you don't have increased oil consuption, it's definitely the valves, but if the valve guides were not installed and sized correctly, you now have worn over-size guides, and the valve seats, especially on the exhaust valves, are shot, causing low compression. The only way to tell is to do a proper leak-down test and see where the compression is leaking out. On a Benz, you really MUST rebuild exactly to factory specs -- in the case of the diesel this usually means new pistons, new liners, and proper clearance --- 0.001 on the pistons (this is NOT a misprint) and ZERO to 0.0005 on the valve guides. They are correct size if you can barely get the valve in the guide by hand, oiled. They won't go in dry. Any looser, and it will both burn oil and wear out much faster. Also, you MUST use bronze exhaust guides on the 61x engines -- steel ones wear out unblieveably fast (sometimes in less than 10,000 miles), causing low compression, hard starts, and ruined exhaust valves. Crank can be ground twice before you go through the factory nitride IF it's done correctly. The shop simply has to be using metric measuring tools, calculated from SAE results in undersized crank journals every time. Don't know the story of the rebuild -- what was the assembly clearance on pistons, valve stems, main bearings, crankpin bearings? New oil pump? Properly done, with correctly matched rings and liners (there are several different materials, some are NOT compatible!) a 61x engine ought to make 250,000 miles before it needs valves on Mobil 1. Lots of low speed low load driving can sludge it up and cause the rings to stick, but that's only a problem on a worn engine usually, and can be cleared by a nice, hard drive on the interstate. Sadly, stuck rings usually means worn out cylinder walls. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W123 300D loosing compression??
My W123 300D seems to be slowly deteriorating. Oil consumption has increased , compression is down to min 16 bar. I had overhauled this engine myself about 4 years and 7km ago . Did all the correct stuff , new pistons , timing chain , oil pump etc etc , pump recalibrated , injectors checked and set to 130bar , . Been running on Mobil1 so I am very upset about the state of events. I can only thing that perhaps is the moderate driving that has contributed as my regular trips is a 20 minute drive to work at a cruise of 60 - 80 km/h . Everynow and again I would give stick up a long hill on the way home . Any thoughts of perhaps getting compression up again ? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Go Vote Tomorrow - How does it work
Seems bazaar that a non party member can vote for a candidate - In those states can you vote in both the Rep and Dem primary? If not who controls this? Peter -Original Message- From: Tom Hargrave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 February 2008 08:46 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Go Vote Tomorrow - How does it work This is handled state by state. In Alabama, I can vote for anyone I want in the election primary. In other some states you must register to a party when you register then you can only vote in that party's primary. But you can still vote for whomever you want in the general election. In no case do you actually have to be a party member. When I actually go to the polls tomorrow, I'll be asked if I need a Democrat or Republican ballot. In case anyone's wondering, I will draw a Republican ballot. I'm no happier with the current president than most of my friends but our current foreign policy failures are no excuse to vote a Socialist with a GOD complex into office (sorry, couldn't resist). Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Merle Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Go Vote Tomorrow - How does it work As an outsider residing in South Africa I battle to understand the US voting system - Can any registered voter take part in the Democratic or Rep run-off elections or must you be a party member? PEter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1257 - Release Date: 2/3/2008 5:49 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OM617 Standy Genset
Can one modify the MW injector pump governer such that it will govern the engine at 1500 rpm instead of the idle idle speed of about 750rpm? Was thinking of using one as part of a genset. PEter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 Standy Genset
That's a thought mitch ? Who makes aftermarcket cruise controllers? PEter -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 February 2008 13:45 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 Standy Genset Peter Merle wrote: Can one modify the MW injector pump governer such that it will govern the engine at 1500 rpm instead of the idle idle speed of about 750rpm? Was thinking of using one as part of a genset. You could try running up the idle stop screw. If it's turbo, you will have to defeat the ALDA, which overrides the idle circuit. The early ones, up through 1979, had a dash mounted idle control. The idle governor wasn't made to hold constant speed under heavy loads, so I don't think the speed regulation will be constant enough to run a genny and maintain reasonable voltage/frequency control. I'd be tempted to get an aftermarked cruise control and run it off the tach amp. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Go Vote Tomorrow - How does it work
As an outsider residing in South Africa I battle to understand the US voting system - Can any registered voter take part in the Democratic or Rep run-off elections or must you be a party member? PEter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Running on empty
How long do you have to crank for? Peter -Original Message- From: Alex Chamberlain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 January 2008 09:27 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running on empty On Jan 23, 2008 10:37 PM, Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I ould like to know is how do you prime the W124 when you do run out ? Do you just crank and crank and eventally the fuel picks up ? Or the battery dies. Ask me how I know! Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Running on empty/BTDT!
What side of the car is the pick up - left or right , if going up a hill and you run out will going downhill pick the fuel up? Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 January 2008 17:11 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running on empty/BTDT! Peter, and all, I have run out of fuel in my diesels several times over the last 35 years, both on purpose, and not!? If you cut the engine at the very first stumble, it will restart quite easily, no priming pump needed, after fuel is added.? If you try to milk it, sway the car to slosh the remaining fuel, you are asking for trouble.? I have run out of diesel in the middle of the night, in the middle of Montana, because stations were closed in the towns I was passing through.? Did you know that 2 quarts of oil will get you at least 20 miles down the road when added to an empty tank?? Driven gently, of course.? Beats walking!? Just don't pull off the road?to a?steeply cambered area, or the fuel pickup might just suck air! Regards, Jim in Phoenix How long do you have to crank for? -Original Message- From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 7:18 am Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running on empty How long do you have to crank for? Peter -Original Message- From: Alex Chamberlain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 January 2008 09:27 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running on empty On Jan 23, 2008 10:37 PM, Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I ould like to know is how do you prime the W124 when you do run out ? Do you just crank and crank and eventally the fuel picks up ? Or the battery dies. Ask me how I know! Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Running on empty
I managed to achieve 1000 km on a single tank of diesel in my W124 300D . It did not consist of any long cruisin trips just my daily commute and trips arround town. In fact when I topped up there still was 5 litres in the tank ( assuming the 70 litre tank size is correct) . What I ould like to know is how do you prime the W124 when you do run out ? Do you just crank and crank and eventally the fuel picks up ? This one does not have a hand primer like the older diesels. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] EPC hardware
The website indicates that it does not cover the 460 series ( Gwagen ) . Can someone please check if it accepts datacard for Vin WDB46033227021345? Peter CapeTown South Africa Anyone prepared to loan me their log on credentials ? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning enigine inside with synthetic oil
For comparison M1 is South Africa goes for about US$35 for 4 litre or US$45 for 5 litre . Only sold in 4 l containers. PEter -Original Message- From: tom savage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 November 2007 06:02 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cleaning enigine inside with synthetic oil LarryT wrote: I get 5 qts (~ liters) of Mobil 1 for around $22 at Walmart/ Please don't tell me you're really paying $60/5 Liters unless it's monopoly money ;-) It could be worse. Mobil 1 was, IIRC, US$18/L at Carrefour (French WalMart) in Singapore a few years ago. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Parking car in gear
There appears to still be a lot of confusion even to myself as to how the compression effect holds the car. I'm sure if you remove the spark plugs ( glow plugs for us guys ) the internal friction is not a significant contributor to keep the car stationary on a slope. If compression has an affect why after xxx no of secs/hrs/days does the vehicle not crank over to the next compression cycle? It means eventually no matter how new the engine is air will leak past the rings/valves. BTW does a diesel parked hold it better on a slope that a gasser? PEter -Original Message- From: Craig McCluskey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 November 2007 07:05 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Parking car in gear On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:27:35 +1030 Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hendrik who likes the RHD 123 dash mounted hand brake and wonders how you do a smooth hill start in a manual car with a foot operated park brake (eg. the 124's) Make sure the foot operated brake is well set. Put transmission in neutral. Depress clutch. Start engine and put transmission in gear. Let out clutch and feed throttle to keep engine RPMs up. Feel car lift off parking brake and start to move forward. Pull parking (emergency) brake release knob and drive off smoothly.\ Works every time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Parking car in gear
I have always been puzzelled how a car can continiously by held in position by the compression of 1 cylinder by leaving it in gear ( manual tranny ) . One would think that eventually ( after a few seconds/minutes ) the rings will leak air and the car would then lurch fwd and then start a runway. This does not seem to happen though. Any thoughts on the physics involved? PEter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Will 617 and 603 operate at compression of 15 bar
Regardless of the number of compression cycles if there is additional volume in the guage that will lower the effective compression ration and hence the peak pressure reading. Anyone have the OEM Motometer compression guage? Just wonder where the check valve is. Peter -Original Message- From: Loren Faeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 November 2007 19:46 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will 617 and 603 operate at compression of 15 bar When I checked the compression on my SDL at 330k miles, I used my cheapo tester and a sun tester. I had trouble getting repeatable readings with the cheapo. With the sun, I was able to get repeatable readings in the 425psi range. I didn't believe any reading until I could get within 1-2 psi three times in a row. I tested with a cold engine with I think 4 compression strokes per cylinder. You need to use several compression strokes, 3-4, to get a true reading, because the reading is taken of compressible gas mixture. Pressure varies with volume. adding the gauge and hose adds volume, thus the reason to used several compression strokes. At 12:23 AM 11/22/2007, you wrote: Good point Mitch , sorry have been away for a while. The guage has the check valve at the instrument end of a pipe about a foot long. I have a revcently overhauled engine to try my hands on and check it out. Peter -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 November 2007 14:34 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will 617 and 603 operate at compression of 15 bar Peter Merle wrote: Hi, yes starting hot is not that great. Strange that it doesn ot use oil ( my two 617's used a lot of oil before compression dropped to low levels) and the fact that the pressures are even all round. Makes me wonder if the gauge has too much air volume between the check valve and the combustion chamber, thereby lowering the compression ratio. Do you have a known good mbz diesel handy to try the gauge on? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Will 617 and 603 operate at compression of 15 bar
Good point Mitch , sorry have been away for a while. The guage has the check valve at the instrument end of a pipe about a foot long. I have a revcently overhauled engine to try my hands on and check it out. Peter -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 November 2007 14:34 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will 617 and 603 operate at compression of 15 bar Peter Merle wrote: Hi, yes starting hot is not that great. Strange that it doesn ot use oil ( my two 617's used a lot of oil before compression dropped to low levels) and the fact that the pressures are even all round. Makes me wonder if the gauge has too much air volume between the check valve and the combustion chamber, thereby lowering the compression ratio. Do you have a known good mbz diesel handy to try the gauge on? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Will 617 and 603 operate at compression of 15 bar
Hi, yes starting hot is not that great. Strange that it doesn ot use oil ( my two 617's used a lot of oil before compression dropped to low levels) and the fact that the pressures are even all round. PEter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 November 2007 02:52 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will 617 and 603 operate at compression of 15 bar In a message dated 11/12/2007 2:22:28 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did compression test on my 124 and I getting an even 15 bar all round. Had the gauge itself ( without non-return valve ) tested and it actually was slightly overreading ! The question is will these engine start and run well with such a low compression. Oil consumption is close to zero. Peter, I think you have answered your own question, the 603, with 6 cylinders, will start with good reliability, even though it is somewhat below the factory recommendation for overhaul. The 603, with fast acting glow plugs, would put less of a drain on the battery, and good cranking speed can be obtained, a critical factor in good starting. Curiously, I have found that one of the first clues that the MB diesel engine is nearing the overhaul point, is that it won't start at normal operating temperature without glowing. This was true of my 200D (66 with 243,000 miles on the odometer) my 240D (74 @110,000 miles,with bad rings due to the PO loaning it to some guy who drove it up a mountain without water) and my current diesel (79 300SD with 234,000 miles). The 79 had zero compression in one cylinder, the other four were about 240PSI, A broken ring ate the top land of the piston, but it would still start and run to the speed mark in top gear Two batteries in series were used towards the very end. The mileages quoted are when I overhauled the engines. Just my $0.02 Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 152 K miles ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Will 617 and 603 operate at compression of 15 bar
Did compression test on my 124 and I getting an even 15 bar all round. Had the gauge itself ( without non-return valve ) tested and it actually was slightly overreading ! The question is will these engine start and run well with such a low compression. Oil consumption is close to zero. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles
Had the nozzles tested at local Bosch Diesel shop and they seem to think spray is OK. Fitted them and combustion noise ( the diesel sound ) seems a lot noisier ? Seems like you can't get German nozzles here , will look out for Bosio Peter -Original Message- From: Peter Merle Sent: 09 November 2007 10:32 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles Whent to my local Mercedes Dealer and bought new nozzles DNSOD-265 for the W124 300D ( non turbo ) and these to my horror are made in India. Upon opening the sealed capsule they came in I see under magnification that its covered in dirt and visible machining marks. Spray is also poor as is opening pressure which has dropped 1500 kpa. Then phoned the local Bosch dealer and they also only sell the Indian version. Can one still get 265's made in Europe? Peter ( South Africa ) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?
Peter , how was crash protection poorer in later W124's than earlier ones Peter -Original Message- From: Peter Frederick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 November 2007 20:15 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes? First run of W140s, except the electronics. The last really good ones were the W124 chassis, KE-Jet models. The newer ones suffer from lousy sheet metal and poor crash protection. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?
Dimitri As the owner of 2 G's I under stand your sentiment, however the current G's ( G55 etc cannot really be called a G , with all that electronics etc you will too scared to venter into Africa as the originals G's do so well. Furthur the car newer started as a Mercdedes ( Was a joint venture with Steyr-puch ) so its pedigree is somewhat not pure. Peter -Original Message- From: Dimitri Seretakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 November 2007 22:58 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes? The last real mercedes still being made today, if you want to be a purist, is the G-wagen. Dimitri Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The last real Mercedes is still being built today. Go to the dealership test drive a new S class and you will understand why. I little trivia that I've told to the list several times: I remember when I was a kid in Germany and the new square line came out. That's the 114 / 115 body for those who don't know. My parents their friends were all complaining it's not a real Mercedes, it doesn't have the Mercedes grill, it will never sell, they are cheap Mercedes imitations, the quality isn't the same, etc, etc, etc. And some swore to never buy a Mercedes again - they did. Then the replacement for the 108 / 109 body came out in 1972 and guess what? It was the same complaints all over again. Don't we all collect, restore drive these Mercedes classics today? Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Trampas Sent: 11/10/07 01:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 126 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes? 140 Steve MacSween wrote: This is based on price/quality accordance overall, suitability for DIY, and parts prices. I vote w124. Flames off list pls. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 94 E320, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?
I also have both 123 and 124 diesels and although the 124 is fancier and more smooth I actually prefer the 123. There is a lot more plastic in the 124 - see for instance the fuel line clips and parts are not made as well eg fuel lines are much thinner and more finiky. Complexity is a lot higher in w124 with electric cooloant pump, electronc idel speed , electroic climate control etc etc Peter -Original Message- From: LarryT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 November 2007 02:09 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes? When this thread started my 1st response, without giving it any thought at all, was the W108 is all it's variants - incl the 109 and 111. Especially the late production 280SEL with the 6 cyl FI engine although the 4.5 V8 is very high on the list. Then, I started thinking about my 123 and 124 (I've been lucky enough to have one of each) - both are amazing cars with few quality problems. Not many -- Of course, we're comparing gas to diesels - I'd like to try a new S class - as T Hargrave suggested - I'll bet it's awesome. But I wouldn't want to have to pay for its maintanence after it's 5 or 10 years old - which is my yardstick for labelling something Great in terms of something I might buy. As for as everyone complaining whenever a new model comes out - I think that behaviour is universal - When the Porsche 911 was introduced in 1963 the 356 group said they were Real Porsches, same thing happened again and agin as new series were introduced. And when, God,forbid, a front engine potential 911 replacement should come out, stand back and watch the arrows fly. IMHO, MB is growing with the industry - changing to stay competitive. Again - Watching old video of the Porsche assy lines in the 50s compared to the lines of today and the so-called Hand Built Porsches are called such with a wink. Sure, they are more Hands-On that your typical CHevy but new ones could never be called Hand-Built in the tradition of the 356s. As someone once said, It's all relative. Later -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes? The last real Mercedes is still being built today. Go to the dealership test drive a new S class and you will understand why. I little trivia that I've told to the list several times: I remember when I was a kid in Germany and the new square line came out. That's the 114 / 115 body for those who don't know. My parents their friends were all complaining it's not a real Mercedes, it doesn't have the Mercedes grill, it will never sell, they are cheap Mercedes imitations, the quality isn't the same, etc, etc, etc. And some swore to never buy a Mercedes again - they did. Then the replacement for the 108 / 109 body came out in 1972 and guess what? It was the same complaints all over again. Don't we all collect, restore drive these Mercedes classics today? Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/10/07 01:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 126 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes? 140 Steve MacSween wrote: This is based on price/quality accordance overall, suitability for DIY, and parts prices. I vote w124. Flames off list pls. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 94 E320, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used
[MBZ] Bosch Nozzles
Whent to my local Mercedes Dealer and bought new nozzles DNSOD-265 for the W124 300D ( non turbo ) and these to my horror are made in India. Upon opening the sealed capsule they came in I see under magnification that its covered in dirt and visible machining marks. Spray is also poor as is opening pressure which has dropped 1500 kpa. Then phoned the local Bosch dealer and they also only sell the Indian version. Can one still get 265's made in Europe? Peter ( South Africa ) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Harmonic Balancer
What are the symptons of a harmonic balancer failing ? Do the balancers of the OM 60x's ever fail? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harmonic Balancer
Jim , is the pulley attached to the balancer via 6 bolts - is that what has a tendency to loosen , or is it the large 27mm bolt in the centre? Peter -Original Message- From: Jim Cathey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 October 2007 16:42 To: Peter Frederick; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harmonic Balancer All parts fail in some circumstance, somewhere, but I don't remember the harmonic balancer on the 60x being a problem. The crank pulley has a distressing tendency to come loose from the harmonic balancer. Makes all kinds of weird noise at first, and then causes all sorts of harm when it finally lets loose. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
