[MBZ] 124 Control Arm Bushings
I brought my '91 300D 2.5 74k miles in to the dealer to diagnose a slight clunking sound in the front end over uneven pavement. They say the noise is the control arm bushings, which sounds reasonable, but they say that they have to change the ball joints, that it is all one piece. Total price for job, $900 including 4 wheel alignment. I didn't want to let them do the work until I had a second opinion. Is this true that they have to change the ball joints along with the control arm bushings? They said the ball joints had no play at all in them. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 74k
Re: [MBZ] 124 Sway Bar Bushings?
Thank you all for your comments- wow, what a response! Here is an update. The sound can be described as the kind of sound / clunk that one would get by taking a rubber mallet and hitting the underside frame of the car while driving. It makes this sound when EITHER wheel hits an uneven patch of road. It is a kind of thump and hollow sound. Another obversation- the car tracks perfectly, as good as it gets. I'm going to go ahead and change the sway bar bushing out- they look a bit loose. Can I just take the bar off for a test? The bushings are cheap, but take a week to get. Thank for continued help. John John Petesron '91 300D 2.5 74k - Original Message - From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Sway Bar Bushings? John Peterson wrote: Regarding my front end clunk on bumps at low speeds, someone suggested that I check / replace the front anti-sway bar bushings. Parts are cheap, $30, and it is DIY job. Does anyone think this could be the clunk (dealer says new control arms and bushings but I doubt this at 74k) I am trying to get rid of? Any way to test the anti-sway bushings? I found the rubber hard, but not rock hard. It is very hard to tell where front end sounds are coming from There seems to be a rush to condemn the ball joints now. I've NEVER experienced clunks on bumps at low speeds when the ball joints were bad (but if they are REALLY bad they could I suppose). That HAS been a consistent presenting symptom with bad sway bar bushings. Bad ball joints (as well as bad rear suspension links) do permit the front end to seem nervous requiring a lot of attention when driving at highway speeds. In my experience, ball joints outlast sway bar bushings by at least 3:1. Control arm bushings and ball joints usually last AT LEAST 200kmi miles (and can last a lot longer if you drive 20+kmi a year). Early sway bar bushings however, often failed after 4-6 years and even the revised ones might not be expected to last more than 100-150kmi. I have revised bushings on two cars, but they don't have even 75kmi on them and that's true of MOST people that have replaced the bushings on 124s. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Resolved: Sway Bar Bushings on 124 (Clunk)
After my dealer quoted $900 for new control arms and bushings, I took my issue (a clunking from the front end on bumps, when uneven pavement on either tire) to the list for a second opinion. Advice from many was to check the sway bar bushings. Well, tonight I pulled the bar off and the bushings slid right off- very loose. Drove the car, CLUNK ELIMINATED. Those were the problem. Saved me $900. I really like my MB dealer here -- Carriage House of New London CT, and think they are very honest. BUT they can't diagnose better than the collective knowledge of this brainy list. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 74k Sans Sway Bar
Re: [MBZ] Opinions (was: WAY too much for this car)
Part of the fun of ebay is that some cars go for too little and some go for too much. It's all about what we think the item is worth (and being lucky.) I looked for my '91 for nearly a year on ebay, and in the end, price, condition, honest dealer, color, mbtex, 2.5 turbo all aligned and I won it. But in my opinion ebay gives (usually) a good take on what national value is on an item. But anyone notice that the MB diesels get way over book most of the time? It is a specialty car, not a '95 Taurus, and because they are tough to find they demand a premium on ebay. What I do find funny about the ebay MB's is how CONDITION dictates the price-- more so than in any other selling venue. I have seen identical mile and year cars go for 1/5 the price of the same car cream puff. But it is fun watching them- Dwight Giles (lister and neighbor) and I want to start a sales business selling MB diesels. We won't quite our day jobs, however! John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 74k - Original Message - From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Opinions (was: WAY too much for this car) Gabriel S. wrote: it is way overprice...read the blue book value...shit, you can even double that and it STILL isn't what it sold for. What it sold for was what it was worth!! Anyone that sold it for less would be a FOOL! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Storing for Winter
I bet there are lots of good opinions on this one- but here goes. What is the best procedure for storing a diesel? Will the tires develop flat spots if I leave it parked 3 months in the garage this winter? Should I take the battery into the warm house or leave it in the cold garage with a trickle charger. I bought a $130 Noah fabric MB cover at the dealer- considering the beautiful fit and the fabric used, it is a real bargain. I will cover the car in the garage because I always seem to hit the car with something. Thanks for the advice- this is my first storage of a car. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 75k - Original Message - From: redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1964 280SE And you did not take this beauty home, Why? On Wednesday, November 23, 2005, at 09:46 AM, Sunil Hari wrote: I went to look at the 1964 220SE coupe advertised in the paper, and it turned out to be a Euro 280SE coupe with 4-speed manual. Took a bunch of pictures - what do you think of it? http://www.sanjayhari.com/SE/ -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Speaker Repair
Fred, google stereo speaker driver repair and you'll see there are loads of places that will do it for a reasonable fee ($20 or so and shipping) As you might guess, it is a common failure. Same failure theory as the MB vacuum actuators for the door locks!! Good luck. John Peterson - Original Message - From: frederick w moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT Speaker Repair Hi,All. This is an OT request for info about Stereo speaker repairs. I have an old, circa 1980, pair of made in Poland stereo speakers that need repair/replacement of the foam plastic suspension stuff around the speaker cone. The speaker cone itself is in as new condition, the foam has partly separated and is very fragile. These 10 speakers have a mount (body?) ring of machined aluminum about 1 thick. Questions, are these worth fixing, does anyone still do this? or should I just buy new speakers? As you can tell, I'm not at all knowledgeable about audio bits and thingys. TIA Fred Moir Lynn MA Old diesels, old stereos, old body, ancient brain. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Nice 300SD
I don't usually post these, but this one is REAL nice. I can't have another MB right now, but I bet someone can. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1,1item=4594239163sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT He has it for sale locally for $5800. My bet is that when the auction ends it will go for much more. He will take the local price. No affiliation or interest other than helping out etc. Would love to have this deal, however. Let me know if anyone buys it- I'd like to see it. John Peterson Kingston, RI 1991 300D 2.5 74k
Re: [MBZ] Bought a 190D, now what?
Congrats, Curt. Ready for a Winter reunion of NE diesel buffs? John Peterson Kingston RI 91 300D 2.5 74k - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bought a 190D, now what? I've been looking for awhile. In fact I didn't expect to get this one, I put in my bid and headed home as the auction was ending during my commute. On the way home I made up my mind that it didn't matter if I lost the auction, what I REALLY wanted was a 2.5l 5spd. I foolishly passed on a nice '84 2.2l 5spd last summer just because it was black with a black interior (and another $500 than I'm paying for this one) that was second owner. Thanks for all the suggestions, I think I'll drive down Friday night and dolly the car back Saturday. I'd love to have the 400 mile shakedown tour but my wife works Saturday morning and I'd like to have the time Sunday to change the oil and give it whole car a good hard look. -Curt '83 240D Hammie 248kmi - for sale '85 190D 2.2l 5spd 2xxkmi Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:29:13 -0800 From: Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bought a 190D, now what? To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Geez, I want a 190D 5speed too. Dang hard to find. Rory - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] I cant believe what people will try to sell
But it has a clean title I'm suprised they didn't say as they often do, easy fix John Peterson - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: [MBZ] I cant believe what people will try to sell http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1986-Mercedes-Benz-420-SEL-CLEAN-TITLE-FOR-PARTS-SALE_W0QQitemZ8019202132QQcategoryZ6783QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Utah 190 2.5 - $2200
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/190D-2-5L-1986-Mercedes-Benz-Mechanic-Owned-Diesel_W0QQitemZ4595141371QQcategoryZ6328QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem These don't come up that often! No afiliation etc. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 75k
[MBZ] Vin check anyone?
Can anyone run a check for VIN WDBDA28D9HF319406 for me? Thanks in advance! John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 75k
[MBZ] Gasser 2.3 190E's
I'm considering a beater 2.3 gasser 190E from 1987 for Winter use. Does anyone have one and can speak for it? It has 87k miles. The 300D is officially off the road (salty NE and SNOW yesterday!) John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 75k - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300SD STABILIZER FIXED!! Shouldnt take too long to cut off the ends with a cutting torch. Thats what I would have used. Dan Weeks wrote: Ya'll may remember some months ago the end rusted off my front stabilizer. Thanks to many of you, I learned this was not an easy fix, and was one that has reduced many otherwise good drivers to parts cars. Thanks to Loren Faeth, of this list, I was able to get mine repaired by Doug at Import Auto Limited in Ames, Iowa (515 296 2723) for $466. He cut off the end of the bar where it is thick, then machined a new end which slides over the bar. He ground flats in the bar first, and secured the new tip with six set screws and JB Weld (inside the collar), then replaced with new Mercedes bushings, bushing washers, and nut. Handles as new. Since the break was at the relatively small diameter tip and the repair is on the thick part of the stabilizer with a good thick machined collar, I think it should hold up fine. Doug, the shop owner, engineered the fix for his daily driver 126, and says it's held fine for 7 months and counting. Time will tell, but I'm very pleased. If you have a car in a similar condition, I'm guessing Doug would sell you the machined rod end, if you wanted to attempt cutting the stabilizer yourself, but he says be aware the stabilizer is harder than anything he's ever cut before, and is quite a challenge. Thanks, Loren, for the referral! -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Gasser 2.3 190E's
How is the 201 ride? I've been reading on them and it seems that the suspension is similar if not nearly equal. I can live with the reduced room inside, but want a nice ride. I also like the 2.3 because there is room to work under the hood (as there is with my diesel) The 2.6 looks awful tight. Is the tranny the same as the 124 gassers? I know they can las 150k+ in the 124's. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 75k - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gasser 2.3 190E's Not a W124 by any means, but not bad. The are a bit cramped, but otherwise similar. No major problems at 87,000 miles except rear links and swaybar mounts. Peter ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] 15 inch steel rims for 124?
Has anyone found steel rims for a 124? We're trying to find some for Dwight (lister) for use with snow tires. We found these, which we are unsure they will fit- can anyone help? http://www.autoguide.net/apf/mercedes-wheels_rims/ 15x6 steel wheel. John Peterson Dwight Giles Rhode Island Listers 1990, 1991 300D 2.5's
[MBZ] 124 Steel Wheels?
Has anyone found steel rims for a 124? We're trying to find some for Dwight (lister) for use with snow tires. We found these, which we are unsure they will fit- can anyone help? http://www.autoguide.net/apf/mercedes-wheels_rims/ 15x6 steel wheel. John Peterson Dwight Giles Rhode Island Listers 1990, 1991 300D 2.5's
Re: [MBZ] Former taxi?
I think that is an old Volvo console- placed in the MB. - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Former taxi? I have never seen anything like that before. tom savage wrote: http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4595521056 Anyone ever seen a 123 interior like this? I'm wondering if the meter went where the dummy vent panel is on the dash. And the console...? Tom, Curieux ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Ignition key problems (best way to start engine without ?)
ditto on the VIN key- that solved a tough lock on my '91. John Peterson - Original Message - From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ignition key problems (best way to start engine without ?) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He asked me if there is a safe way to start the engine bypassing the ignition lock. On a diesel, probably. If it's a gasoline engine car, it would be much trickier. I doubt that's likely to help, though. At most it won't do much more than you could do by warming the key with a pocket lighter and then sticking it in the lock. Has he tried getting a new VIN-cut key from the dealer, and attempting to turn the lock with it? My lock turned *much* easier with a new key. It may give him the extra edge he needs to get the tumbler turned to position 1. All the usual tricks, sliding the key in and out a little, jiggling it, etc. apply. Otherwise, it's time to start drilling. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Looks to be a fine daily driver
It is such a pretty car- I don't think I'd spend 7k for it. Where do we guess it will end? I saw a 300SD online for 17k or something like that. Why are people paying these crazy sums? I should put up my 300D 2.5 74k miles on Ebay, ask $15k for it. Retire early. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 74k - Original Message - From: Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looks to be a fine daily driver andrew may have said Looks awesome, though The car ooozes class and regality strikes me as a bit of hyperbole... After all, it's only an entry level car for that year and probably listed for about $5 grand I am a 123 chassis sort of diesel guy, but that era low fin body style and simple 4 banger appeals to me for some reason. Regards Tom Scordato From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looks to be a fine daily driver Looks awesome, though The car ooozes class and regality strikes me as a bit of hyperbole... After all, it's only an entry level car for that year and probably listed for about $5 grand. On 12/22/05, Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-200D-diesel-66K-miles-Like-new-True-Survivor_W0QQitemZ4598627758QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Glasruit Paint
Does anyone know a source for Glasruit paint for MB's? I have tried several body shops and searched online and can't find a supplier. I need about a pint. John Peterson 1991 300D 2.5 77k
[MBZ] Importation Rules
How many years old must a car be to be imported without EPA regulation? Is it 20 years? I'm thinking about importing a 124 diesel wagon from Germany. I know I need to pay 2.5% customs, but I am not sure about the year cutoff. Happy New Year to All! John Peterson Kingston RI 300D 2.5 77k
Re: [MBZ] Importation Rules
I'm waiting to buy a 124 diesel wagon- a 1985 would work, and next year, I'll be able to import a 1986. There are loads of them on ebay.de. About $1000 to ship plus 2.5% for customs. I can't imagine a more useful car than the 124 diesel wagon. John Peterson - Original Message - From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Importation Rules So, could you theoretically import a 21 year old vehicle, sans running gear to avoid the EPA timeline? On 12/31/05, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you are correct. 21 years for NHTSA/DOT and 25 years for EPA Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Wood Refinish Guy
Does anyone remember the contact info for the wood refinish guy that mbz.org used to recommend? I'm looking for him. John Peterson 1991 300D 2.5 77k
[MBZ] It's a Gas
So, don't beat me up too hard. I bought a '91 190E 2.6 gasser this week. It has 99k. Everything works on it. I haven't picked it up yet. I plan to use it winters while the diesel is hibernating from the road salt here in RI. It is a 201 with one owner- all records, original paint. Accident cracked front bumper plastic, which was replaced. Owner showed all body panels and matching numbers etc. It has the blue MBtex which I love- and I hear that the 2.6 is a reliable and powerful motor. Yes, I know there is little space under the hood and that the water pumps tend to fail with 120k on them. Does anyone have a gasser 190? What experiences have you had? I wanted a diesel, but the diesel 190's go for foolish prices and I just can't afford them. See photos at http://www.immersionstudio.com/190.asp Anyways, it is a benz and that means fun driving and pulling it apart. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 77k
Re: [MBZ] glue oozing mirror
I had a friend with a 1999 Jetta that oozed from the bottoms of the door. I guess it was the sound insulation. He had it drip on his date's new heels, and that was the end of the date. He phoned the VW dealership and they said Oh, that was a problem with the 1999 Jettas. VW the problem immediately and only a few cars were affected. I bet him $5 that they would say to me the same thing if I said I had a 2004. SO, I called the next day with an obviously different voice. Guess what, same line from the dealership. Oh, that was a problem with the 2004's. They fixed the problem... I don't trust any one of them. I justify my tool purchases with logic like this. Happy New Year! John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 77k - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] glue oozing mirror Must be the adhesive holding the glass to the plastic frame that is deconstructiing/melting/dribbling away... On 1/6/06, Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My '85 300TD has an oozing mirror...same yellow foamy stuff. The first owner bought it in OKC and sold it to a guy in Houston after a couple of years, and I bought it when it was 5 years old, so it's been in Houston for the better part of its 20 year life. I know I never did anything to the mirror, and owner #2 was a banker who barely knew how to open the hood, if you get my drift, so I don't think it's a PO done thing. My vote would be that it's from being baked in the sun...probably the same thing that causes the Grand Canyon cracks on my dash. Although...my wife might say that the air pollution in Houston had something to do with it. Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K -Original Message- From: Christopher McCann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glue oozing mirror Yes, Interior rear view mirror. The cases I have seen are IDENTICAL and that makes me think it is not a PO done thing. Chris ned kleinhenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you guys talking about the INTERIOR rear view mirror? My '95 E300D (W124) has that yellow foamy stuff around the edge of the interior mirror glass. I figured the glass must have fell out sometime. And a PO reglued it with propylene glue or whatever that expanding yellow persistent glue is called. This car came from Texas. Maybe the summer heat did it? Ned Kleinhenz ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 210K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] It's a Gas
Was there any year those badges were reversed? The owner says all panels match with serial numbers and that there has been no repainting except the front bumper. I'm suspicious- why would the numbers be backwards if not repainted? - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] It's a Gas The trunk badges are backwards. Looks nice otherwise. Its insane what 190D's go for. John Peterson wrote: So, don't beat me up too hard. I bought a '91 190E 2.6 gasser this week. It has 99k. Everything works on it. I haven't picked it up yet. I plan to use it winters while the diesel is hibernating from the road salt here in RI. It is a 201 with one owner- all records, original paint. Accident cracked front bumper plastic, which was replaced. Owner showed all body panels and matching numbers etc. It has the blue MBtex which I love- and I hear that the 2.6 is a reliable and powerful motor. Yes, I know there is little space under the hood and that the water pumps tend to fail with 120k on them. Does anyone have a gasser 190? What experiences have you had? I wanted a diesel, but the diesel 190's go for foolish prices and I just can't afford them. See photos at http://www.immersionstudio.com/190.asp Anyways, it is a benz and that means fun driving and pulling it apart. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 77k ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] It's a Gas
Here is the listing for the car- and the guy seems very clean (feedback excellent and knows his stuff on the phone, honest sounding) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1,1item=4602642462sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT Can anyone run a vin check for me? wdbda29d2mf790838 Thanks friends. John Peterson 1991 300D 2.5 77k - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] It's a Gas The trunk badges are backwards. Looks nice otherwise. Its insane what 190D's go for. John Peterson wrote: So, don't beat me up too hard. I bought a '91 190E 2.6 gasser this week. It has 99k. Everything works on it. I haven't picked it up yet. I plan to use it winters while the diesel is hibernating from the road salt here in RI. It is a 201 with one owner- all records, original paint. Accident cracked front bumper plastic, which was replaced. Owner showed all body panels and matching numbers etc. It has the blue MBtex which I love- and I hear that the 2.6 is a reliable and powerful motor. Yes, I know there is little space under the hood and that the water pumps tend to fail with 120k on them. Does anyone have a gasser 190? What experiences have you had? I wanted a diesel, but the diesel 190's go for foolish prices and I just can't afford them. See photos at http://www.immersionstudio.com/190.asp Anyways, it is a benz and that means fun driving and pulling it apart. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 77k ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Tighten Trans Cooler lines?
I have a pretty good leak in my garage of trans. fluid that is coming from the supply hose to the radiator. It is coming from the joint where the hose meets the metal tubing. Would it be okay to try to tighten it or does this mean the rubber hose is shot. Will I hurt anything by tightening it...I figure it is worth a try. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 77k
Re: [MBZ] 1990 Mercedes Benz 300D 2.5 Turbodiesel
Method worked perfectly. I used only my clean, paranoid fingers to check the level. It was half way between the marks - just fine. Thanks to all. - Original Message - From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 Mercedes Benz 300D 2.5 Turbodiesel Tom Hargrave wrote: Possibly because the 2.5 turbo is the best diesel Mercedes ever made. The 602.96 engine was about the most powerful (re displacement) of the mechanical injection diesel engines while still remaining just plain reliable. No serious flaws. I don't like the EGR control system (used in the '90s) and all 124s have the problem of having to remove the entire dash, steering wheel and console to replace the AC evaporator and the outrageously expensive Nippondenso compressor, but the '90-'93 124.128 300D 2.5s are really VERY refined cars. Many of the things that were introduced in '94 to the 124 E300D (like the biodegradable wiring harness, the tuned resonance air intake system, the complex afterstart glow system, etc.) detracted from long term reliability and made repair more complex than it should have been. All of that said, I still prefer driving my '87 300TD with it's OM603.96 engine on the highway and while many, many fewer than half of the OM603.96 engines developed cracked heads - but that potential problem IS still real. That extra 25 hp really makes a difference even in a car that weights 660 lb more than my 190D 2.5t. The difference between the weight of an '87 300D and a '90s 300D 2.5 is MUCH smaller so the 300D with the 6 cylinder engine is a ROCKET by comparison. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Wheel Fell off Sister's Car at 60mph
Agreed. - Original Message - From: Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel Fell off Sister's Car at 60mph It could have been a deadly accident. Hendrik - Original Message - From: John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:51 AM Subject: [MBZ] Wheel Fell off Sister's Car at 60mph I think the service managers are pushing the mechanics so hard to do 3x the normal work in the same time- the result is, of course, human error. It could have been a costly accident. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 78k - Original Message - From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] .net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Wheel Fell off Sister's Car at 60mph
I am seeing this never admit guilt in more and more businesses. My question is, how do people and businesses learn to do better if they are never wrong? I don't think I could work in a business that requires such filth to be profitable. - Original Message - From: Richard Murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel Fell off Sister's Car at 60mph John, The loose lugs could be attributed to simple negligence, bad work habits, being distracted and what else. But the used rim - I call that fraud. Considering what could have happened they ought to buy your sister off with the deal of a lifetime on a new car (which she could have serviced elsewhere). But then one of the things my wife came to hate after being in real estate for many years was the never admit guilt directive. Richard Murdoch From: John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/03/18 Sat PM 05:21:47 EST To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Wheel Fell off Sister's Car at 60mph My younger sister has a 2000 Volvo which she brought in for service at the Volvo dealership. They told her she needed a new rim, so she said okay and paid up the $400 to put it on and balance (existing tire) They let her leave. Down the road she hears a dragging sound and brings the car back. She brings it in and they said oh, we forgot to put your sway bar on DUH But the story gets better. They put the sway bar on and she went on the highway. The car did a nose dive and she went off the road. She watched her wheel roll down the highway lane. State cops come, tow the car back to the Volvo dealership (not too bright) and they say You must have had an accident, it wasn't the wheel's fault. So the insurance company says they'll pay for the wheel and they will sue the dealership (so my sister doesn't have to.) THEY hire an investigator who notices that not only were the lug nuts not tightened but IT WAS A USED, DEFECTIVE WHEEL. Now remember, she had paid $400 for a New Volvo Wheel. So for those of you that remember my transmission overfill story from last year- combine that with this and MAKE SURE you check EVERYTHING before leaving any dealership!! I think the service managers are pushing the mechanics so hard to do 3x the normal work in the same time- the result is, of course, human error. It could have been a costly accident. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 78k - Original Message - From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 Mercedes Benz 300D 2.5 Turbodiesel I'd guess double current bid. 8K wouldn't surprise me-these have been rising in value the last year or so that I have been watching them. And since I have been driving mine more now and phasing out the 240D as the only daily driver, I think they might be worth it. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 1:40 AM To: mercedes Subject: [MBZ] 1990 Mercedes Benz 300D 2.5 Turbodiesel http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4621351682 rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT Any idea what it should go for? Craig ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] 1994 S Class Diesels, Bad Heads?
Did Mercedes fix the bad head issues with the S's by the 1994 year? I was looking at the biggie http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-S-350-DIESEL-S350-94-MERCEDES-RARE-IMMACULATE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6336QQitemZ4622935201QQrdZ1 It is sad that such a comfortable body had such a vulnerable motor. John Peterson 1991 300D 2.5 78k Kingston RI From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Mar 19 02:48:18 2006 Received: from pproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.166.176]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FKnxq-0006FV-Et for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 02:48:18 + Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x66so2859272pye for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:48:13 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s¾ta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=I9g4BculeVFZMEBrIc57n9v6SM7NqQgU9/lJua8xfHZ9GfIoUBWkJ+g2I8htjxrUlQisuJAU7EBocTkjG/FUKkkQkmSEGtQ8/3TppLGTc02rpNnzTwqTRcIdxt7SExmj1loqYYf8SVUJ1+hOd0F02qeyMkaDjIYnmOKcaGw5OM8Received: by 10.64.143.12 with SMTP id q12mr998143qbd; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:48:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.15 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:48:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:48:12 -0500 From: Tony Wirtel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel Fell off Sister's Car at 60mph X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 02:48:19 - On 3/18/06, John Petersonwrote: snip So the insurance company says they'll pay for the wheel and they will sue the dealership (so my sister doesn't have to.) THEY hire an investigator who notices that not only were the lug nuts not tightened but IT WAS A USED, DEFECTIVE WHEEL. Now remember, she had paid $400 for a New Volvo Wheel. So for those of you that remember my transmission overfill story from last year- combine that with this and MAKE SURE you check EVERYTHING before leaving any dealership!! John: My GUESS is that the insurance co would only be interested in the fraud as an supporting element of their case, and not as a standalone issue. Might be worth some digging, as it sounds like you've got a clear case for fraud, with independent data that someone else has collected for you and that you might be able to use. I'm not a lawyer, but triple damages and then possibly punative on top of that might be meaningful. Glad that nobody was hurt. Freakin' weasels at that dealer (not that most are any different). Tony Wirtel
[MBZ] 124 Trans Cooler Lines 2.5 300D
I'm changing mine today- my only fear going into this was that if I disconnect the lines to replace them, will the fluid in the transmission leak out or just dribble?? I don't want to guess how much transmission fluid is in the transmission after and overfill or underfill. I'm paranoid about fluid levels. Has anyone changed them? Does the fluid come pouring out? John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 78k
[MBZ] Belt Noise
Hello Listers! I have a lot of noise coming from what I think is the serpentine belt- seems to happen when it is damp outside. Belt dressing quiets things down to total silence for about 5 minutes, then the sound comes back. Any ideas? Could this be belt tension? Can I adjust belt tension or is it automatic with the tensioner? Anything I can check? I have a replacment belt. Thanks. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 78k
[MBZ] Good Prices on IP's / Germany
http://cgi.ebay.de/Mercedes-Einspritzpumpe-E-Klasse-w124-300D-24V-w463-AMG_W0QQitemZ8055341801QQcategoryZ61258QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem No afiliation etc. John Peterson Kingston, RI 1991 300D 2.5 78k
[MBZ] Chirp Chirp
Has anyone had a bird chirp like sound combined with the sound of marbles in a can coming from the front of the car near the serp. belt? Here is the description- when first started the sound is definitely there- when the car is warm, no sound at all. If I spray a bit of belt dressing it disappears and becomes silent- but comes back when it cools down and I restart. I am correct to suspect water pump, tensioner, belt ?? Any advice how to find out which one without buying all of them? I have the belt. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 78k
[MBZ] Largest Diesel Engine in the World
Is this for real? A friend passed it on to me. http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ccsshb/12cyl/ John Peterson 1991 300D 2.5 78k - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Old squeaky This squeak's frequency sounds like the frequency of the engine rotation at idle. When I give it just the slightest bit of fuel, it goes away. When I let off the fuel it resumes as soon as the engine is at idle. I've determined it's not the AC compressor You slopped some coolant on the belt. Just hose it off. RLE ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Parts
I had no luck taking off my shutoff valve- without taking off the alda or intake. I'm not daring enough to take off the alda or intake, so I'm going to take it to the shop. We also have a new baby and I just don't have the time this month. I had already ordered the following parts, if anyone is interested- my mechanic won't put them on for me: For Sale: Shutoff Valve $35.77 Idler Pulley $38.33 Idler Shock $41.32 All new, in box. Make me fair offer and I'll mail to you. Any offers? Anyone need the above? Thanks friends, John Peterson 1991 300D 2.5 79k
Re: [MBZ] Jeep Adding Diesel Grand Cherokee
I never owned a new car- but I've had 16 used ones. If I had a new one I wouldn't be rigging a piece of string to my shutoff valve and feeding it through the radiator grill so that I can shut the car off without opening the hood (my shutoff valve is spoiled.) But new cars are no fun, they just smell nice for a year or so. I had the satisfaction of changing my idler pulley and shock yesterday. Now I wouldn't be doing that on a new one! Also, buying used ones has been much cheaper for me over the years- and has allowed this poor man to drive some very nice cars, albeit broken in. John Peterson 1991 300D 2.5 79k Robert Massmann wrote: When is a new car reasonable? The last new car purchase of mine was 1991. 13 grand for a Honda Accord LX. Regards, Robert Massmann Wilmington, Ohio 87 190D 2.5 Turbo 255K? 85 300CD 327K 82 300D 327K 81 VW Rabbit Pickup 210K (Diesel) - Original Message - From: kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jeep Adding Diesel Grand Cherokee Jeep Adding Diesel Grand Cherokee Well it's about time! I hope that it's priced reasonably though. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Wheel Paint
Those are good prices- I did all 4 wheels this year, prep is key as with any paint job. Light coats of the paint, sanding slightly with 400 between. Then the lacquer, 4 coats and sand before the last one. I think they turned out perfect- hard pressed to see the difference from factory. Durability is unknown at this point, they have lasted 6 mo so far. John Peterson 1991 300D 2.5 79k Wurth Wheels Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: John Peterson posted a while ago about his experience with 124 wheel paint. Can't remember the source. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles Wickford, RI Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. Has anyone found any place with low prices on Wurth or equivilent silver paint for alloy wheels? I'll need the clear also - Griots has a Wurth equiv individually or as a package for $60 including 2 cans of silver and 2 of clear, a silicone, etc cleaner and zinc spray to stabilize the surface. The individual can of ciler and clear are $9.99 each. In the past, listers have given good reports about both products. Most important seems to be preparation of the wheels and using VERY many light coats. Marshall
[MBZ] Sensor in Injection Pump '90 300D
I've been trying to diagnose a loss in boost in my '90 300D. I brought it to the indie who found that (1) a vacuum tranducer is out and (2) he thinks a sensor on the injection pump is giving no electronic signal to the ECU. He says a 2k injection pump is necessary. Is there any more economical way of changing this sensor? Rebuilt IP? Seems hard to believe it would be so buried inside that it can't be replaced if necessary. Thanks Friends! John Peterson Kingston RI 1990 300D 2.5 127k 1991 300D 2.5 72k
Re: [MBZ] Sensor in Injection Pump '90 300D
Does anyone know the correct volts or amps or ohms or stucatto signals this sensor should have so that I can throw a meter onto it? I have the MB service CD's, but I can't find mention of the rack sensor. Thanks Dave - Original Message - From: Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Aaron Lam [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Joe Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sensor in Injection Pump '90 300D John, I'm not an expert on the 2.5T engine controls, but I have a hard time buying the claim that an injection pump sensor is bad. I believe the only sensor on those pumps is a rack position sensor, and I think there's a procedure in the manual explaining how to test it. If it's bad, yes it requires pump disassembly to repair, or basically installing a rebuilt pump () or a used pump (only $$$). I'd make VERY sure that is the problem before doing the swap, and even then I'd most likely just get a used pump rather than a $2k new/rebuilt. Rusty might be able to get you a rebuilt unit cheaper, if you do need one. If you have the time, I would swap pumps between your 2 cars and see if the problem follows the pump or not. It could be done in one weekend as DIY. :-) -Dave M. -- Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 16:28:44 -0400 From: John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Sensor in Injection Pump '90 300D I've been trying to diagnose a loss in boost in my '90 300D. I brought it to the indie who found that (1) a vacuum tranducer is out and (2) he thinks a sensor on the injection pump is giving no electronic signal to the ECU. He says a 2k injection pump is necessary. Is there any more economical way of changing this sensor? Rebuilt IP? Seems hard to believe it would be so buried inside that it can't be replaced if necessary. Thanks Friends! John Peterson Kingston RI 1990 300D 2.5 127k 1991 300D 2.5 72k ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Topsider
It works super on my MB, but I tried it on a 2000 Volvo S70 and it was a failure- slurp, adjust, slurp, adjust, oh forget it I'm just gonna open the bolt down below. But it is tops on my MB. Oil change in 8 minutes and a good arm workout. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: [MBZ] Topsider audio Here's a question about sucking oil-how does one tell when the oil is done sucking when the inside of your oile tube is black? Listening at the dipstick tube, you will hear the same sound you got when when you were a kid, sucking the last drop from a root-beer float. Sluuurp. Even with M1 in a gasser, you can't see much in the tube. RLE ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] tnx
Thanks for your insight as usual, Dr. Booth. John Peterson - Original Message - From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Turbo Boost on 1990 2.5 John Peterson wrote: Does anyone know the correct boost pressure and how to read on a 2.5? My indie has been trying to find a lack of performance in my '90, and he first suspected the ECU, which is okay, then he found a bad transducer, which we replaced, and he thinks the injection pump sensor is bad as well, resulting in a low boost. Today he phoned to say that they put the transducer in and that there is now 12 pounds of boost, up from 2. He says that the correct amount is 14 pounds. He thinks the sensor in the IP could account for the slight lack of measureable boost. I want to be REAL sure before spending on a sensor replacement in the IP, which requires opening up and recalibration, I think. I'm going to drive the car this week- which might tell me more than boost pressures! PS, did anyone get a MB E320 Diesel brochure in the mail? I got one today- addressed to me, a beautiful brochure for a car I can't afford. I wish I knew how knew I had a diesel! The difference in pressure between 12 vs 14 psi of boost will result in almost NO difference in power (and is well within spec even for a NEW car). Sounds more like the boost isn't reaching the ALDA or the ALDA isn't responding with enhanced fuel delivery. Any where between 800 millibar (11.6 psi) and 950 millibar (13.8 psi) is the range of boost under FULL LOAD at any engine rpm between 2000-4800. Boost will be lower to considerably lower at less than full load, so won't be meaningful except at FULL LOAD. It's outlined in section 9-0500 of the OM602/603 engine manual, the 201 126 and 124 CDs. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] 300D 2.5 12 PSI
It is back -- boost at 12 PSI and let me say it is PLENTY. It is a rocket. Boy, did I miss the turbo. It is hard to believe how much the turbo helps these motors. At least we know that 12 PSI is okay- and the lesson learned is that the ECU can shut down and cut boost if ONE of the transducers is bad or even intermittent. Anyway, I don't think there is an IP sensor issue- it was probably the transducer all along. Well, it is time to put some miles on this bird- it has been sitting since July!!! John Peterson, Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 74k www.immersionstudio.com/1991.asp 1990 300D 2.5 127k www.immersionstudio.com/1990 (southern car, for sale, wife didn't want it)
[MBZ] Dealer Cut VIN Keys They're Cheap!
I phoned the not-so-local MB dealership to order a key for my '91, and was shocked that the keys only cost $19. I had a Saab that had a funny key that cost me $70. In general, I find MB parts very inexpensive given the quality- I paid $160 for a rear muffler that last 15 years. - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trunk lock When it comes to rust PB Blaster is more amazing and its in an spray can so its easier to squirt into the lock. A couple years ago the locks in my 240D got sticky as it got cold out. I shot a bunch of carb cleaner into the lock to move the grease (yes grease) and then followed up with PB Blaster to get rid of some rust and lubricate things. -Curt Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:51:43 -0500 From: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trunk lock To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 don't try to make a copy of a crappy key. Get a new one from your local MB dealer. If that doesn't work, try squirting some Marvel Mystery Oil in it. Stuff does wonders, and has been since my Grandpa started using it many years ago. - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] 1990 Gasser 300 w/ 79k miles
I looked at, but didn't buy, a 1990 300D cream puff here in RI- no rust, on= e = owner, garaged, dealer maintained machine. I really liked it, but couldn't = justify another car to my wife. If anyone is looking for a gasser, this on= e = is pristine. I'd be willing to look / take photos if anyone wants. He's = asking $5900 No interest or affiliation! John Peterson Kingston, RI = -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1990 mercedes.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 54963 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20051= 026/5d2c1ee2/1990mercedes.jpg
Re: [MBZ] Why are the newer (96-99) benzes prone to rust?
I think the trouble is that MB is trying to hit a different price point- and killing their brand in the process. Unionized, quality labor would put the MB back where it was in price -- here is an example. My 300D cost 41,000 in 1991. A new CDI? 55k. 15 years of inflation have happened in other cars but not in MB. Remember how much a Corolla cost in '91??? Oh what a feeling, $7995. Price a new one today! Having said all this, I couldn't afford a new CDI or a 300D 2.5 in 1991 for that matter. I have to wait 15 years for them to come down to my price range. The good news is that the older ones (123, 124) are built in a way that even after 15+ years they are WONDEFUL and reliable, and a GREAT used car buy. John Peterson 1991 300D 2.5 74k Kingston, RI - Original Message - From: TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why are the newer (96-99) benzes prone to rust? Finally! Someone who understands that there IS a place for unionized work environments in the 21st century! Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 10/31/05, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll have to comment on the overpaid, under educated union workers comment since has Wife works for Daimler-Chrysler for over 20 years and I've been a guest in 6 of their facilities. Although many would argue that they are over paid, I can say for a fact that most of the work force is educated, understands their jobs very well and can SPELL OR UNDERSTAND THE PART THAT THEY ARE INSTALLING. The company has an excellent training / motivation program and they expect nothing less from their work force. They also involve their hourly work force in ongoing Quality improvement programs. All of these programs were in place before the Mercedes - Chrysler merger, which is one reason the merger took place. The two companies cultures aren't so different. This program has nothing to do with the company caring for their Employees. Chrysler discovered during their rebuilding period that a motivated work force turns out a Quality product. This is one reason that Chrysler is doing well and Ford GM are loosing market share. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 7:58 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why are the newer (96-99) benzes prone to rust? I think you have to add the workforce and the short term profit demands to the list of responsible parties. From the overpaid union guy who can't spell the part he puts on the car (and doesn't care ifit's there or not) to the share holders who demand a higher profit each quarter, to the management who let's all this happen, ther's enough blame to go around. We, at least, vote with our pocket books and feet, and buy old MBs. I disagree about the 60's to 70's cars - they needed valve jobs around 50k, and it was rare to see one on the streets with over 100k. On 10/31/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you know guys that was one of my original points about all autos not just benzes . from bean counters to green weenies( nice one) to governmental regulations the auto industry has changed radically we have witnessed American cars autos go form actually reasonably priced reliable autos in the early 60's or so until the late 70's .. to total krap now these were no engineering marvels! but there were simple, usually rugged, easy and inexpensive to repair ...however, i will never forget seeing early 90's Cadillacs ...never driven, right off of a car carrier at a dealer, and having a MAJOR repair , ...new cars! if something like this happened to a Toyota where i worked man heads would roll big time! it seems the addition of so called new business ideas,AND governmental interference has and is plaguing the auto industry it is my understanding that the after 91(?) Mercedes autos are not as reliable as the pre 91 years ,and the new cars seem to have a great many problems that brands like Lexus ( GASP) does not have ( i never liked those cars never!) I was told don't buy anything after 91 and from 99 to 2005 get a long warranty! its a damn shame however... i am happy with my 85... collins 1985 500 sec -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Soot / Muffler life
A chimney fire? :) John Peterson 1991 300D 2.5 74k Kingston, RI - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Soot / Muffler life You are experiencing the typical life of a Benz exhaust system -- at least 150,000 miles. Diesel engines produce somewhat less acid due to leaner mixtures and better combustion. I don't know if the soot is protective, I'd guess not, actually. It WILL greatly shorten the life of the muffler if the soot is thick enough to catch fire, by the way -- I fried an exhaust on the Volvo that way due to a leaking turbo. Peter ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Off Topic: Used Mobil 1 in Furnace?
Someone might have asked this but can I burn my used Mobil One in my home's oil heater without damage? It's 300 gal tank. Any thoughts? John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 74k
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic: Used Mobil 1 in Furnace?
I was actually told that it will burn in a regular old oil furnace without problem. I wanted to float the idea to the real experts before trying it out!! John Peterson 1991 300D 2.5 74k
[MBZ] Leaky Glow Plug or Oil Pressure Sensor?
Hello folks, I'm getting what appears to be engine oil but smells like diesel around the area of my front most glow plug directly next to the oil sensor. It appears to be coming from the glow plug, but I am not sure. Could be oil from the larger sensor next to the GP. Should I try to retorque the glow plug, or replace it? Do I need special tool to tighten GP? Anyone had this? John Peterson 1991 300D 2.5 74k miles Kingston RI
Re: [MBZ] Leaky Glow Plug or Oil Pressure Sensor?
I'll check the return line this evening - it sure looked like it was coming from the GP - it was built up there around the plug in what appeared to be a mix of oil residue smelling of diesel. Enough of it to flow down to the floor under the car, with a viscosity more of diesel than motor oil. I might have to just clean the engine off to see where it is coming from. The return line should be easy to check, by just looking for evidence of soaking, no? - Original Message - From: Ron Dwelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky Glow Plug or Oil Pressure Sensor? John-- Are you sure it's not coming from the fuel return line? That's the usual culprit. Ron Dwelle On Nov 10, 2005, at 4:26 PM, John Peterson wrote: Hello folks, I'm getting what appears to be engine oil but smells like diesel around the area of my front most glow plug directly next to the oil sensor. It appears to be coming from the glow plug, but I am not sure. Could be oil from the larger sensor next to the GP. Should I try to retorque the glow plug, or replace it? Do I need special tool to tighten GP? Anyone had this? ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] cheap SD
That is a time warp car. I bet it goes for 10k - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cheap SD Bet it won't be cheap for long Bob Rentfro '77 300D 142K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 6:33 PM Subject: [MBZ] cheap SD http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300SD-TD-1979-Mercedes-300SD-LOW-MILES-82K-Nicest-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ4589181711QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Vin Check?
Can anyone run WDBDB26D2JF441580 for me? I'm looking for a diesel 190. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 77k Hunting a 190D
[MBZ] Vin Check?
Can anyone run WDBDB26D2JF441580 for me? I'm looking for a diesel 190. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 77k Hunting a 190D
Re: [MBZ] are 190s as generally bad as I've heard?
My experience in the reviews of 190's is that the owners, ( many of whom buy the 190 because of the cheaper price and have had been entry-level) complain about the high price of parts and repairs. I think it is more an issue that they haven't paid for european parts before- or MB service. I don't think that the 190 requires any more service or repairs than the 123 or 124's IMHO John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 74k - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] are 190s as generally bad as I've heard? no, they aren't. they aren't bad at all. they tend to more commonly have bad owners though On 1/21/06, Tim C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious - is the 190 series all that bad? I've had several mechanics say this - avoid them entirely - but a friend picked one up (2.6 - I want to say '90 or so, 160-180k miles OSLT) and hasn't really had any serious issues in about the first year T ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] new addition
Sunil, a WONDERFUL car. I'd do the ATF with Mobil 1, big difference when cold. Fuel filters are easy to get at and take 15 minutes to change. I have started mine in 5 below here in Rhode Island with no block heater used. Just an incredible, reliable, FUN car. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 77k - Original Message - From: Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 2:55 PM Subject: [MBZ] new addition Just picked up my new-to-me 1992 300D. Drove it 100 miles back to my house without incident. A few questions: 1) For beginning maintenance issues - oil, air, ATF, fuel filters and fluids; diff fluid. Glow plugs are good. What else am I forgetting? 2) Will 123 parts work in a 124? I'm talking about oil, fuel, or air filters, as well as radiator hoses. Also, is it the same ATF? ... 3) I plugged in the block heater for 1.5 hours, and when I turned on the car I didn't notice a difference in startup temperature. Temp outside was 24 F. Is this normal or abnormal? What else am I forgetting? Thanks! -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Isolating small oil leak around radiator
Friends, my 300D came out of winter hibernation for a day yesterday and I noticed a small drip of oil (not trans fluid) from the bottom driver's side of the Behr radiator. It is very hard to see the origin of the drip- as chasing oil that is falling by gravity and wind is never easy. Here is my question for the savants of this group. What are likely places for this leak on that side of the radiator or nearby so that I can clean things and see where this is coming from? As a side note, one month of sitting in 10-40 degree temps here in Rhode Island and the MB fired after one glow and first compression turnover. I have had gas cars that won't start if left for 2 weeks. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 77k miles
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Larry, the easiest way to tell on a 2.5 is to check if there is any
vibration at idle in the wheel - along with a shake a shutdown. Dwight
Giles, a fellow lister and neighbor has a 1990 with 130k miles and I have a
1991 with 77k. His had vibration at idle and a harsh shutdown. Changing
the mounts out made a HUGE difference- to the point that there is no shutoff
vibration at all, and it would be nearly impossible to tell you're in a
diesel at idle.
My experience and in talking with others is that the mounts tend to last
about 80-100k miles. Unless they actually separate, however, you won't
notice striking symptoms, just a degradation. The 2.5 with working mounts
should feel, in terms of vibration, very much like a 4cyl gasser. At least
Dwight's does!
Hope this helps something.
PS, changing them is a breeze. I have the procedure in pdf if you need it.
John Peterson
Kingston RI
300D 2.5 77k
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Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:37 AM
Subject: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Was looking at the motor mounts - what little I could see of them at
least -
and was wondering how to tell if they're going/gone bad?
TIA -
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
That is my take- with new mounts there is no shutdown shake -- mine, with
77k, has shake. Dwights, with new mounts, no shake at all- idle or
shutdown. Amazing mounts, like shocks, really.
- Original Message -
From: Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
I had the motor mounts changed just before i bought it. I test drove it
before the change, and (of course) after the change - makes a big
difference
in shutdown and idle. Car now shuts down like a gasser.
On 2/25/06, John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Larry, the easiest way to tell on a 2.5 is to check if there is any
vibration at idle in the wheel - along with a shake a shutdown. Dwight
Giles, a fellow lister and neighbor has a 1990 with 130k miles and I have
a
1991 with 77k. His had vibration at idle and a harsh shutdown. Changing
the mounts out made a HUGE difference- to the point that there is no
shutoff
vibration at all, and it would be nearly impossible to tell you're in a
diesel at idle.
My experience and in talking with others is that the mounts tend to last
about 80-100k miles. Unless they actually separate, however, you won't
notice striking symptoms, just a degradation. The 2.5 with working
mounts
should feel, in terms of vibration, very much like a 4cyl gasser. At
least
Dwight's does!
Hope this helps something.
PS, changing them is a breeze. I have the procedure in pdf if you need
it.
John Peterson
Kingston RI
300D 2.5 77k
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:37 AM
Subject: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Was looking at the motor mounts - what little I could see of them at
least -
and was wondering how to tell if they're going/gone bad?
TIA -
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Re: [MBZ] 190D rides again!
I'm so jealous of your 190 stick. I'd do anything for one of those. They are so rare. Baby that thing. John Peterson Kingston RI - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D rides again! 40-45mph? Good lord I don't even think about 5th until I'm above 55. In actuality getting on the highway I don't get into 4th until around 50. Supposedly this car has like year old injectors which I think is possible, it sounds a bit more like a big rig diesel than either my 240D or 300TD did. It did quiet down a bit with Mobil 1 in the crankcase. I need to do return lines, in fact I put together a list on Rusty's site today (BTW the new site looks great guys but Hursty, if you're gonna say between you gotta have 2 numbers, between 30 Mercedes doesn't make sense) and with all my needs and *wants* filled in its like $400... Shoulda done that last month and gotten a specially good deal. Economy continues to improve as the old crappy fuel gets more diluted. I need to lay off the throttle some to get the economy way up. I started into that today, unlike my 240D I don't need to floor it every time I take off from a stop. -Curt '85 190D Dory 234kmi '83 240D Hammie 254kmi Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:37:55 -0500 From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D rides again! To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: So once again I've picked up my 190D from the Indy. Some of you might remember how it wouldn't shift into reverse. My Indy took the shifter all apart, cleaned out 21 years of crud and replaced the shift bushings. That took it from a super sloppy mystery shifter (you shift and hope the gear you get is the one you wanted) to a normal good shifting car. The reverse gate now works exactly as I'd expect it to, slide to the right, push down, pull back. 5th is now very easy to get into as well which is good I'm sure my fuel mileage was suffering by my not shifting into it before. ALSO now the shifter doesn't lean so far to the side in 1st and 5th so I can hook the boot to the base without it pulling the base up, nice. I like driving this car so much I'm now thinking I should turn down Fred's offer of a set of used seat bottoms and instead invest in brand new seat bottoms and pads for that new seat feel. Great to hear that you find the car so much fun to drive (I agree). Let me caution you. DO NOT hurry to shift into 5th or even 4th when driving at speeds less than 40-45 mph. Allow the engine to wind out to 3000+ in each gear. That will NOT increase fuel consumption (may even improve it slightly). I've been driving 190D 5 speeds (three of them with 2.0, 2.2 and 2.5 liter engines) for more than 12 years (and 250kmi) and have tried driving them almost every way they can be driven (including getting the gear box into 5th as soon as possible). The most common causes of poor fuel economy (after fuel leaks) are poor quality fuel (good fuel can improve fuel economy by 10-20%) and improper operating temp (a thermostat that's stuck even a little open can lower fuel economy in city/stop-and-go driving by 30% or more). Allowing the engine to lug can easily degrade economy by 10% or more. Shifting to a higher gear too soon - before the engine will be at least at the low end of the torque plateau in the gear (that's in the low/mid 2000 rpm range - the actual torque peak is at 2800, but it's very broad and almost flat) results in the excessive fuel consumption! Improper injection timing and poor injector condition (improper pressures or spray pattern) usually only have a minor effect of fuel economy until they are way off and usually there is some other presenting problem (noise, poor idle, smoke) before poor fuel economy is noticed. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Torque Spec, If Any
I had a one drip a week leak in my transmission cooler line where the transmission fluid line meets the radiator connector. I take the car off the road for the winter, and with the cold Winters it was I'll wait until Spring to fix. So yesterday I put two wrenches on the connection and give it a good tighten. It no longer leaks. So what is the point you ask? Well, my 32 years have taught me that nothing is ever this simple. I'm willing to be that by tightening it I am really overcompensating for some weakness in the connection - should I be replacing this line? I know they are not expensive and my instinct is telling me change it. But it could be that the fitting was just a bit loose. Anyone have experience with this? Is there a torque setting for the connection? I couldn't find on my MB CD. Thanks Friends John Peterson Kingston, RI 1991 300D 2.5 77k
Re: [MBZ] Fabric Dash Cover
I bought one of these http://www.global-accessories.com/dashmat/index.html for about $20. It looks like a grandpa's device, but it does block the hot sun. I only use it in the summertime. John Peterson 1991 300D 2.5 77k - Original Message - From: MICHAEL ESH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: [MBZ] Fabric Dash Cover Can anyone recommend a place to purchase a fabric dash cover for my 1982 300TD wagon? The original dash is really nasty. Or does anyone have one for sale. The car color is maroon. Thanks, Mike ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 1990 Mercedes Benz 300D 2.5 Turbodiesel
I have seen them go for as little as 8k with low miles like that and for as
much as 12k! Big range for some reason. I've been watching them for about
2 years. Another interesting obversation is that the 2.5 turbos with low
miles seem to command more than the 1995 E300D with similar miles.
John Peterson
300D 2.5 78k
Kingston, RI
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Yep, I think $8k and maybe even $9k if someone's been looking for a while.
It's a great color that doesn't show dirt, seems to be in excellent
condition and has low miles. It's much like the one I just bought for $8k
except mine's a year newer.
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I agree with Dwight.
I just looked, in the condition it appears to be in and with less than
100,000 miles on the clock, this one may go for 8K or even more.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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I'd guess double current bid. 8K wouldn't surprise me-these have been
rising in value the last year or so that I have been watching them. And
since I have been driving mine more now and phasing out the 240D as the
only daily driver, I think they might be worth it.
Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI
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Subject: [MBZ] 1990 Mercedes Benz 300D 2.5 Turbodiesel
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4621351682rd=
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Any idea what it should go for?
Craig
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[MBZ] It Arrived!
So, the 1990 300D 2.5 arrived via shipping from New Orleans for my wife- I'm sad to say that it has a few problems. I think they can be fixed at a reasonable cost- can anyone tell me rough numbers? 1.Broken Windshield 2.Rear Muffler 3.Motor Mounts 4.Alignment (steering wheel upside down!) 5.Fuel leak on a small piece under hood, photo at www.immersionstudio.com/images/fuel.jpg -- what is this piece?? Of course, the motor mounts make the thing sound like a Mack truck- unbelieveable difference between my 1991which has 71k. It shakes like crazy. In the end, the sad thing is that my wife will probably not want to keep the car and I'll need to sell it. She thinks it is just too rough for her. Should I sell it as is or do the above repairs? I paid 6k plus shipping. My 1991 was 7500, a much better deal as it turns out! It needed nothing. John Peterson Kingston, RI 1991 300D 2.5 71k www.immersionstudio.com/1991.asp 1990 300D 2.5 125k www.immersionstudio.com/1990 From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Jun 19 14:17:54 2005 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.195]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1Dk0cU-0003uq-Ay for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:17:54 + Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so325480wra for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 07:17:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s¾ta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mccwfrpKUsWvCBWOYcrPbv2FQ9LYk3zvGcPkNld6cJz8zonppedFp1s563vo1hE2oCSO8sBUFjyGrutmx/es/xAFqJfrHP0YOHmiR28hODcQHTiEoJNtiRub/Xj0XPOLbMgv1aK1sBfJZUv144nrahRPWTqjcQNZRxnIpefskaYReceived: by 10.54.35.19 with SMTP id i19mr2205436wri; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 07:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.26.7 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 07:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 07:17:53 -0700 From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] It Arrived! In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5p1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:17:55 - Looks like the fuel thermostat is leaking. Other than the windshield and muffler, the other items on your to do list don't strike me as either expensive or difficult to rectify. The car looks nice, and the price sure was right, so why not re-consider selling until you've had it a bit longer? Looks like a great deal to me. On 6/19/05, John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, the 1990 300D 2.5 arrived via shipping from New Orleans for my wife- I'm sad to say that it has a few problems. I think they can be fixed at a reasonable cost- can anyone tell me rough numbers? 1.Broken Windshield 2.Rear Muffler 3.Motor Mounts 4.Alignment (steering wheel upside down!) 5.Fuel leak on a small piece under hood, photo at Casey Biodiesel: '87 300TD intercooler (205k) '84 300D (201k) Gasser: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (184k) Olympia, WA
Re: [MBZ] It Arrived!
I am trying! It is my wife who hates it! I'd like to keep two of them for myself, but she won't let me! Would 1000 fix the below repairs? John - Original Message - From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] It Arrived! Looks like the fuel thermostat is leaking. Other than the windshield and muffler, the other items on your to do list don't strike me as either expensive or difficult to rectify. The car looks nice, and the price sure was right, so why not re-consider selling until you've had it a bit longer? Looks like a great deal to me. On 6/19/05, John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, the 1990 300D 2.5 arrived via shipping from New Orleans for my wife- I'm sad to say that it has a few problems. I think they can be fixed at a reasonable cost- can anyone tell me rough numbers? 1.Broken Windshield 2.Rear Muffler 3.Motor Mounts 4.Alignment (steering wheel upside down!) 5.Fuel leak on a small piece under hood, photo at Casey Biodiesel: '87 300TD intercooler (205k) '84 300D (201k) Gasser: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (184k) Olympia, WA ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Changing fuel thermostat on a 300D 2.5
I ordered a fuel thermostat and muffler for the 1990 300D (hoping my wife will like the car with less noise!) and the muffler looks like the easiest thing in the world to change. The clamps are so well built and remove so easily. I've never seen such quality. Regarding the fuel thermostat, has anyone changed these? I looked on my service CD for info on the removal process- can't see how the thing comes off. Thanks Friends, John Peterson Kingston RI 1990, 1991 300D 2.5 - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice you can make your own pretty easy, lots of folks have. David Brodbeck wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: you need to get yours adjusted properly. Quite possibly. It shifts fine at light throttle and full throttle. Not so hot in between. I don't have the special gold-plated gauge to measure the internal trans pressure, though, so I'm afraid to monkey with it. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Changing fuel thermostat on a 300D 2.5
I see the allen bolts. I'll photograph the procedure for future list reference. Thanks! John - Original Message - From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Changing fuel thermostat on a 300D 2.5 I think Brian's referring to the coolant loop, where it enters the head. Your fuel thermostat should remove quite easily, since it's just held onto the block by two 5mm allen-head bolts, and of course the fuel and coolant lines themselves. A ball-head type allen wrench will assist in the removal process. Disconnecting the hoses will probably be the toughest part of the project. On 6/29/05, John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fuel thermostat has a clip? Casey Biodiesel: '87 300TD intercooler (205k) '84 300D (201k) Gasser: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (184k) Olympia, WA ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Stars in the Air
It was a great day in Rhode Island. Myself and lister Dwight Giles took to the wrenches and installed a new fuel thermostat and rear muffler in my '90. The fuel thermo was a PITA because it is a real tight fit- and the hoses (clamps) don't come off quickly. We also filled the fuel filter with Lubro and ran it out. The car is shaking quite a bit at idle, is lacking power, and from about halfway pressed down on the pedal to full throttle there is no increase in speed when driving- almost like it is bogging down. Could the violent idle and nailing along with the lack of power mean a bad spraying injector? ANY suggestions what to try next? Attached, a photo of THREE diesels in the driveway. My '90, '91 and Dwight's beautiful green machine. John Peterson Kingston, RI - Original Message - From: Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Time for a Test I may have failed, but the server passed... Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD - Original Message - From: Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 6:37 PM Subject: [MBZ] Time for a Test Only one email in 8 hours, time for a test Yes, I failed, BZZZT! Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net attachment: stars in the air.jpg
[MBZ] 1990 2.5 D Greasy Hands=Results
I've been slowly fixing the items on the 300D 2.5 I had shipped up from Louisana. The windshield was replaced in my driveway for $179 by Triumph Glass (national firm) and it looks perfect. I replaced the muffler with a dealer part (with help from Dwight Giles) I replaced the fuel thermostat (with help from Dwight Giles) And I was all worried because the car wasn't tracking straight- and the paranoid me was thinking alignment or other front end work and I discovered something funny yesterday. I was looking at the tires and they are all the same size, a matching set. But in looking at one of the rims, I noticed that it stuck out from the rotor a greater distance than the others. I took off the rim and compared it to the others and although it looks identical, the spacing for the lug nuts is different- the depth of the distance from wheel to rotor. This one was out by more than 1 inch. Must be a DIFFERENT wheel!! I pulled it off and put on the spare and voila! Perfect tracking. For the missing power issue, the Lubro Moly is doing magic- and it is gaining power DAILY. Car was sitting for some time. I'm doing motor mounts next and the thing will be like new. It is a beautiful riding car- with no difference in ride from my 1991 with 73k miles. Having fun. John Peterson Kingston RI 1990 300D 2.5 127k 1991 300D 2.5 73k - Original Message - From: Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: [MBZ] Test Test ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Alda Line
So, while I'm at the process of cleaning out the injectors I clean the banjo fitting- good. Then I check hoses from the Alda to the vacuum amplifier (blue disk shaped thing) and they let air pass okay. But here's the strange thing- with the Y adapter that attacheds to the ALDA disconnected the car drives equally slow. I have 2 2.5's -- this one has less power (although has gotten better with the purge) If I disconnect the Y at the ALDA, I should see some performance difference, no? What to check next? John Peterson Kingston RI 90 300D 2.5 127k 91 300D 2.5 73k
Re: [MBZ] Alda Line
Correction- yes, it runs from the ALDA to the electric valve. I will try to round up some hose to run from the banjo to the ALDA. The car feels like it is starving for fuel- but it could be that the turbo is running but the ALDA is not sending the signal to the pump for additional fuel. I also suspect a clogged intake screen in the tank could be a possibility- but wouldn't there be lots of air in the pre filter or other visible evidence of a clogged screen? Could this be as simple as clogged injectors, or is an ALDA / pressure issue more likely? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alda Line In a message dated 7/8/2005 2:21:38 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, while I'm at the process of cleaning out the injectors I clean the banjo fitting- good. Then I check hoses from the Alda to the vacuum amplifier (blue disk shaped thing) and they let air pass okay. But here's the strange thing- with the Y adapter that attacheds to the ALDA disconnected the car drives equally slow. I have 2 2.5's -- this one has less power (although has gotten better with the purge) If I disconnect the Y at the ALDA, I should see some performance difference, no? What to check next? John, I don't know why your ALDA would be connected to the vacuum amplifier (normally this is for the auto transmission modulator)! From the banjo on the intake manifold, the pressure signal should go through a normally open electric valve (part of over boost protection) and then to the ALDA. On yours there may be a tee in the line for an electronic sensor/monitor. For a GOOD test, you should run a pressure line directly from the banjo fitting to the ALDA. Please review your connections and try the test I mentioned. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 261 K miles 98 ML 320, 136 K miles -- ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Alda Line
I think that you are right, Marshall, and it could be in limp home mode.
It is driving at what I would describe as 2/3 power. The boost is probably
not happening. Is there any diagnosis procedure (where to begin) other than
buying fancy computer equipment? Are there any things to check manually?
Should I try resetting the computer by pulling the battery or other
procedure?
Thanks
John Peterson
1990 300D 2.5 127k
1991 300D 2.5 73k
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From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alda Line
John Peterson wrote:
Correction- yes, it runs from the ALDA to the electric valve. I will try
to round up some hose to run from the banjo to the ALDA.
The car feels like it is starving for fuel- but it could be that the
turbo is running but the ALDA is not sending the signal to the pump for
additional fuel. I also suspect a clogged intake screen in the tank could
be a possibility- but wouldn't there be lots of air in the pre filter or
other visible evidence of a clogged screen?
Could this be as simple as clogged injectors, or is an ALDA / pressure
issue more likely?
The later ('90+) OM60x.96 engines opened the wastegate when the emissions
control system was detected to be not properly operating or boost was
excessive. This of course leaves you with NO boost so NO fuel enrichment.
In addition, the wastegate OR the EGR could be stuck open!
Marshall
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[MBZ] Pulling Codes by Watching Blinks or peaks on Multimeter
On the 602 engine, I have heard that one can count flashes or blips on a multimeter to get at the codes being thrown by the motor. I bought a multimeter today, and am searching the archives and mercedeshop.com forum for information on how to use a multimeter to read the codes. On the service CD's, I have the procedure using the MB special tool, which I don't have. Has anyone used anything (like a multimeter, for example) to count codes on a 602? TIA John Peterson Kingston, RI 1990 300D 2.5 127k 1991 300D 2.5 73k - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 7:54 PM Subject: [MBZ] Re: Mercedes Digest, Vol 2, Issue 54 You are absolutely right. The CURRENT contracts were signed by Bush. The big smear campaign about no bid contracts for Haliburton was during the life of the original contract signed by Clinton. Just like the collapse of Enron happened during the Bush administration. BUT, when were the illegal acts taking place? And how on earth would the president know what some company was doing so he could be personally responsible for the collapse? Yet, who was blamed for the economic loss? The contracts were renewed by Bush at their expiration. Who were the other contractors who wanted the contract? If there was a buddy deal going, why didn't they go public with it? Couldn't they find a newspaper that had room? Or was all the space taken by stories about flushing the Koran down the toilet? Just like the collapse of Enron happened during the Bush administration. BUT, when were the illegal acts taking place? And how on earth would ANY president know what some company was doing so he could be personally responsible for the collapse? Yet, who was blamed for the economic loss? I'll take the blame for making an error. But let's talk about errors that were actually made by the person being blamed. AND, let's make sure they are actually errors, not just differences of opinion. I'll bet we could get an argument going about which class of MB is the prettiest, fastest, most reliable, or any other best. Ken owner of the prettiest, fastest, most reliable MB, an S class of course. ;-) In a message dated 7/9/2005 2:30:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Re: price of diesel...interesting theory... To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good question. Why did CLINTON sign a contract with Haliburton? Oh, I know, because they were the company that could do the job when Slick Willie needed something fast without bidding on it. Then the contract overlapped onto W's watch and it was all of a sudden wrong to have single source contracts. Uhm...actually, the current no-bid contracts with Halliburton were carried out in 2003. I don't think Clinton was still in office, then. ;) (See http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/01/cheney.halliburton/) It amazes me that Republicans still haven't seen a problem they can't find a way to blame on Clinton, even after he's been out of office for over five years. I thought they were supposed to be the ones who were against shifting blame and the culture of victimhood. -- ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] What I really Need, A Mercedes Amphibious SUV
Wouldn't it be nice to drive this, full of soccer ball crazed kids to the field for practice just to upset suburbia a bit? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=4560066838category=80765
Re: [MBZ] What I really Need, A Mercedes Amphibious SUV
What I really like about the MB diesel engine (located inside the driver's compartment, see the last photos in the ad) is that you can clean your ALDA while you drive-- just use your right hand! Really, look at the 2.5 diesel motor right next to the driver's seat! What a fun ride. - Original Message - From: John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:28 AM Subject: [MBZ] What I really Need, A Mercedes Amphibious SUV Wouldn't it be nice to drive this, full of soccer ball crazed kids to the field for practice just to upset suburbia a bit? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=4560066838category=80765 ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Using Duty Cycle to Measure ECU Codes
I am using the Sears duty cycle meter ($29) to read ECU codes on my 1990- trying to diagnose a no turbo boost situation. I am putting the positive lead on the (+) of the battery and the (-) lead to terminal #4. I am getting a 50% duty. Are these the correct pins to use to read duty? I have the MB manual of codes but I don't know which pins to read on. Can anyone help? Thanks Friends John Peterson Kingston, RI 1990 300D 2.5 127k 1991 300D 2.5 72k
Re: [MBZ] OT: anybody have the chevette pulling the trailer video?
it is on big-boys.com -- there is a search on the site to find it and other funny ones! - Original Message - From: Kevin J. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 12:59 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT: anybody have the chevette pulling the trailer video? Since it's Friday, does anyone have the link to that woefully over-worked compact car pulling the camping trailer up the mountain? I want to help my brother start the weekend laughing.. ...Kevin ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] MBZ.ORG articles
The articles are archived on http://web.archive.org/web/20040610132627/www.mbz.org/info/articles/ It is a fun site- www.waybackmachine.org Has websites archived in time! John Peterson Kingston RI 1990 300D 2.5 125k 1991 300D 2.5 73k - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] for a no name list, we are sure growing As long as it's not the same name, you could easily have a cooler site. Who cares what he thinks? Unless he PAID the authors for their articles, they belong to the authors. Get their permission and it's up. Richard can either let us use his (he will probably want $1,000/months for article rental) or we just re-write them. I have needed those articles a couple times. And it would YOUR site, Kaleb. You could do WHATEVER you want with it - like list ALL the cars and parts you have for sale...plug in paypal and it would be awesome...or just list the cars and people could submit queries as to whether you have the part they want. If you do, they can pay via paypal...or however you want. www.okiebenz.com! --- Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well Im still waiting to see what dickarde does as to if I set up a website or not. Steve MacSween wrote: omg, multilevel marketing comes to claremore seriously, congratulations kaleb and we all owe you a thank you for resurrecting the lists mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a link in my ebay auctions. JabbaHursty wrote: how did they get here if they werne't on mbz.org? At 10:36 PM 7/20/2005, you wrote: Getting new folks everyday, we are now up to around 260 subscribers. At least 100 of which are new people who were not on mbz.org. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 207K miles, Wulf http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] For Sale: 1991 350SDL with Improved Head No Affiliation
http://www.carriagehouse.mercedescenter.com/mbcenter/b/preowned/vehiclespecs2.jhtml?poVin=WDBCB35EXMA574603listIndex=1pageNum=1 This 1991 350SDL (135k, asking 12,900) is at a local MB dealership here- an honest dealership that I deal with. I phoned about this one and it is a one owner with all service records. The sales rep says that the head was replaced. The fellow has photos he can email if anyone is interested. If anyone flies in I can put you up for the night in RI. http://www.carriagehouse.mercedescenter.com/mbcenter/b/preowned/vehiclespecs2.jhtml?poVin=WDBCB35EXMA574603listIndex=1pageNum=1 Mark Gaudette Carriage House Mercedes Benz Internet Sales Manager 545 Broad Street New London, CT. 06320 (800)-437-3361 EXT 118 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mercedesct.com No affiliation etc. John Peterson
Re: [MBZ] MB Tech companion
Quite a good read. Worth the $$ Ditto Ditto John Peterson - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Tech companion ditto. Christopher --- Dennis Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just received my new copy of the Mercedes-Benz Technical Companion through Amazon.com. I paid $28.63 and after perusing through it I find it an exceptional book. It covers many different models and each section has tech ramblings which are short articles from the Star plus entries out of the technical and restoration forum. For people on this list I would highly recommend it. Just my two cents, Dennis Perkins 84 300SD ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 208K miles, Wulf http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Carmel NY
Is anyone close enough to Carmel NY and would be willing to check out a car for me? Dinner gift certificate for the favor! Email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Peterson 1991 300D 2.5 81k Kingston, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Carfax Anyone
Can anyone run WDBJF20F3VA342481 for me? Thanks Friends, John Peterson John Peterson 1991 300D 2.5 87k Kingston, RI Friend of Dwight Giles That Other RI Guy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carfax request
Hello Dwight, it is a E300 up in Holyoke MA. I'm always tempted when the price is low. It is at a Buick dealership there, 46k miles. I'd love to test drive it! When does your white one arrive? Sam Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Thanks Kaleb. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. In transit. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carfax request IN:WDBJF20F3VA342481 Class: Upscale - Luxury Year: 1997Engine: Unspecified Make: Mercedes-Benz Country of Assembly:Germany Model:E Class Vehicle Age:10 year(s) Style/Body: Unspecified Calculated Owners: 3 This vehicle's AutoCheck Score 86 65-82 http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] When Did Turbo Come back to E300? '98?
I'm wondering when the turbo came back to the E300. Does anyone know? Was it '98? John Peterson Kingston RI Tom Hargrave wrote: Reminds me of a friend of mine. He's in love with the Civil War period, so much so that he wishes he was around back then. One day I walked into his office and he was complaining about modern times I stated Do you really wish you were dead? He said what do you mean. Where I replied with Do you remember your appendix surgery 4 months ago? Back in the late 1860's, a burst appendix meant a slow, painful death. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 12:21 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] big thank you to list and Rusty's assistant;engine overheating etc Exactly. Life was much simpler back then. Only the strong survived. We really should have stopped all the progress back in the 1920s when women stayed home and had babies and washed the families clothes on washboards. If they had to do that nowadays they wouldn't have time to go to the mall. Well, I better get some sleep tonight since I've got to go to the hospital tomorrow and get the battery in my pacemarker changed. (-:] Gerry - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess you are correct, us baby boomers really screwed up the world with inventions like heart Bypass Surgery, organ transplants, several cancer cures, drugs to manage Diabetes, orthoscopic surgery - just to mention a few.. Tom www.kegkits.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] there were once old guys at napa who could do anything. i presume they are all gone now. but you know what i've learned? as long as everyone is politically correct, nothing else matters. anyone over 50 owes the rest of us a massive apology for what they have done to our country. --- Now, wait a minute. Don't lump us geezers from the pre-WW-2 generation with the 50 year old baby boomers from the post-WW-2 generation. We tried to teach them but they wouldn't listen; went off and invented things like computers and automatic washing machines. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ATF for 91 W124 300D 2.5
The Mobil 1 made a great improvement in my 300D 2.5. The dealer put it in when I had a factory refurbished transmission installed. They recommended it. It shifts much better when cold. John Peterson 1991 300D 2.5 81k LarryT wrote: I plan to use Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF but need to confirm that's the proper fluid - I believe I need a Dexron III equivilent? TIA - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Steel Wheels??
Does anyone know where I can get steel wheels for my 300D 2.5? (1991) I have found 15x6 steel wheels- and 16 inch steel ones, but none 15x6.5 which is the original size I have. Here are some for sale- would anyone of these work? I would like a set for snow tires. http://theserviceadvisor.com/part/steelwheelbestmercedes/index.html John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 81k
[MBZ] Dasher Diesel
My first car was a 1981 Dasher Diesel. Wonderful driving car- standard shift, had MBTex-like perforated vinyl seats, and had no horsepower, perfect for a 16 year old. I had only one problem with it, it wouldn't start in the cold. It had plenty of compression, and I changed the plugs, injectors etc. and never got it to start properly here in the cold. But now that I have a family, I'd love a manual shift 124 Diesel. I want one so badly I'm willing to pay to have one shipped from Europe when they are able to be imported legally. All in all that Dasher was a very reliable car. Easy to work on too. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 81k Alex Chamberlain wrote: On 2/23/07, kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm glad that you had such wonderful luck with your Quantum Diesel. The longitudinal engine configuration sure is different than the Rabbits and Caddy PU's, and the guy said that the radiator is actually beside the engine rather than in front of it although I wasn't paying much attention to it until she blew off steam. Makes some sense, since the Dasher is the predecessor of the Quantum (they were all Passats or Santanas in the rest of the world) and the gas Quanta (and the Audi 4000) use longitudinal engines. On the Audi 4000 Quattro I used to have, as on a friend's Quantum Syncro, the radiator is definitely to the driver's side of the block. Only way the inline five could be squeezed in there with the relatively short hood those cars have (compared to other cars with inline fives and sixes, like Mercedes or BMW). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1991 turbo questions
Lisa, unless you have a Mity vac, you might not be able to test them, but I have found the vacuum transducers that control Alda etc. can develop a hole and leak pressure, which can give mixed performance. Excuse the question, but is there a clean pre and main fuel filter on there? John Peterson 1991 300D 2.5 81k Miles Kingston RI Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: on the 2.5 turbo, you cant bypass any of the emmissions stuff or it will go in the limp mode and you will have no power. All the vacuum lines, etc also have to be leak free or it will reduce power quite a bit. Lisa Strang wrote: I am hoping one of you can shed some light on a problem I am having with my 124 1991 300 2.5 turbo diesel. The turbo works but not all the time- so it is just a dog when it decides not to work.(especially when trying to pass the tourist that is seeing the sights and you are late to work.) I have tried the following with no success: blocked off the EGR valve, by passed boost controls(emissions), no results from trying this. I did notice I have many little holes in the rear muffler which I plan on replacing this week. I know the car runs life a gas engine when the catalytic converter is a mess so maybe this will help. I am hoping someone else has had a similar problem and has another answer. Any help graciously accepted. Thanks Lisa ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] caught by winter's fury!
Curt, do you use the block heater? I ask because I ordered an electric block heater thinking I would need it for my 300D and it starts perfectly without it. It is new in box. You can have it if you're interested and it will fit your 190. JP Curt Raymond wrote: I'm off on a business trip for the rest of the week so I suggested my wife drive the 190D. It was cold last night but I didn't think anything of it until she couldn't get the car to start. She wasn't keeping her foot into the throttle so it would fire but wouldn't catch. I went out to help and of course the battery had already been run down some and once you fail starting a couple times it just keeps getting harder. Anyway it did finally fire up and I put out the heater cord for her so it won't have this trouble again while I'm gone. Just checked the weather, our high for today is predicted to be 9... But tomorrow it'll be in the 20s and with the block heater on she shouldn't have any troubles. -Curt - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 722.4 / 1991 300D 2.5 Transmission Question
Hello Listers- I have a question, I have a 722.4 transmission in my '91 300D, 81k miles. I had a MB rebuilt put in 2 years ago, 8k miles ago. I have noticed for the last couple of months that the 1-2 shift is a bit soft, and I know the language of these descriptions can be difficult, but by soft I mean that there is a small overlap of 1 and 2, it is by no means a crisp shift as is the remaining shifts that come next. Those shifts are so tight and immediate that I often get put back in my chair. The 1-2 shift doesn't sound like a slip, I have experienced this before with the previous faulty transmission. This is more of a sort of sensation that is only about 1 second or so where one would think the shift is just a bit late, and not definite. I am paranoid about automatics- the car has 81k and this is the 3rd one. The first was spoiled by an indy overfilling by 2 quarts, the 2nd was installed (factory rebuilt) and was defective 50 miles down the road. This one, the third, is most likely fine by I want to hear from the list on this 1-2 shift and if it is softer than the other shifts. Maybe I just need medication. Thanks friends, John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 81k
Re: [MBZ] 722.4 / 1991 300D 2.5 Transmission Question
I think it has a 2 year warranty. It expires very soon, April I think. There is no flare at all, just a sort of overlap I guess the only way to describe it is that all other changes are snappy and this one is rather slushy, almost like the time itself to change between the gears is 1 second or so while the others are a fraction of a sec. Regarding if it is a 1-2 or 2-3, I'm not sure. It is the first actual change of gears that happens after starting off. I was never sure it it starts in 1st or 2nd. Hendrik Riessen wrote: Do you mean 1-2 or 2-3 shift? Do the engine revs flare up during the shift? Is there any difference between a cold box and operating temp box? May pay to pull the pan to see if there is debris in there, while it is off a new filter and fluid can't hurt. Is there any warranty left on the box? - Original Message - From: John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 12:03 PM Subject: [MBZ] 722.4 / 1991 300D 2.5 Transmission Question Hello Listers- I have a question, I have a 722.4 transmission in my '91 300D, 81k miles. I had a MB rebuilt put in 2 years ago, 8k miles ago. SNIPPED ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 722.4 / 1991 300D 2.5 Transmission Question
Thanks to all for the wonderful expert advice. I'll keep people posted. I did the diesel purge last week on the 2.5, and WOW, it sounds like a swiss watch. During the purge process the nailing went away about 1/2 way through the bottle of purge. It was amazing- like now you hear it now you don't. I'm getting better gas mileage too. I keep thinking I just need to beat it up a bit more when driving- pedal to the floor etc. But the $10 can of magic liquid has it sounding like a gas engine- and has more power etc. too. I was over Lister Dwight Giles' house today and we checked the transmission fluid in my 300D and it was a bit low so we added a couple of ounces. This might have been part of the slow 1-2 shift. We'll see. Happy motoring to all. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 81k LarryT wrote: Hi John, A large % of shifting faults are caused by fluid/filter contaminated with some kind of debris - for example, a piece of lint is lodged in the slide for the valve controlling the shift in question. A fluid/filter change *might* fix the problem - it certainly won't hurt. Of course, the adjustment Joe K. mentioned may be the cure also -- Good luck -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 722.4 / 1991 300D 2.5 Transmission Question I think it has a 2 year warranty. It expires very soon, April I think. There is no flare at all, just a sort of overlap I guess the only way to describe it is that all other changes are snappy and this one is rather slushy, almost like the time itself to change between the gears is 1 second or so while the others are a fraction of a sec. Regarding if it is a 1-2 or 2-3, I'm not sure. It is the first actual change of gears that happens after starting off. I was never sure it it starts in 1st or 2nd. Hendrik Riessen wrote: Do you mean 1-2 or 2-3 shift? Do the engine revs flare up during the shift? Is there any difference between a cold box and operating temp box? May pay to pull the pan to see if there is debris in there, while it is off a new filter and fluid can't hurt. Is there any warranty left on the box? - Original Message - From: John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 12:03 PM Subject: [MBZ] 722.4 / 1991 300D 2.5 Transmission Question Hello Listers- I have a question, I have a 722.4 transmission in my '91 300D, 81k miles. I had a MB rebuilt put in 2 years ago, 8k miles ago. SNIPPED ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 722.4 / 1991 300D 2.5 Transmission Question
1/2 way through the can the sound changed so much that I thought something was wrong. It was dramatic. But my diesel was clogged. I don't think I run it hot enough. I'm going to change that and give it a real work out. Best $10 you can spend. And you only get your hands a little smelly of diesel. I used rubber gloves, but they broke. LarryT wrote: I bought a can of Diesel Purge from Rusty but haven't used it on my 2.5 yet. Although my 2.5 300D is running pretty good it sounds like something I should try to do ASAP. It sounds like the difference was amazing -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 722.4 / 1991 300D 2.5 Transmission Question Thanks to all for the wonderful expert advice. I'll keep people posted. I did the diesel purge last week on the 2.5, and WOW, it sounds like a swiss watch. During the purge process the nailing went away about 1/2 way through the bottle of purge. It was amazing- like now you hear it now you don't. I'm getting better gas mileage too. I keep thinking I just need to beat it up a bit more when driving- pedal to the floor etc. But the $10 can of magic liquid has it sounding like a gas engine- and has more power etc. too. I was over Lister Dwight Giles' house today and we checked the transmission fluid in my 300D and it was a bit low so we added a couple of ounces. This might have been part of the slow 1-2 shift. We'll see. Happy motoring to all. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 81k LarryT wrote: Hi John, A large % of shifting faults are caused by fluid/filter contaminated with some kind of debris - for example, a piece of lint is lodged in the slide for the valve controlling the shift in question. A fluid/filter change *might* fix the problem - it certainly won't hurt. Of course, the adjustment Joe K. mentioned may be the cure also -- Good luck -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 722.4 / 1991 300D 2.5 Transmission Question I think it has a 2 year warranty. It expires very soon, April I think. There is no flare at all, just a sort of overlap I guess the only way to describe it is that all other changes are snappy and this one is rather slushy, almost like the time itself to change between the gears is 1 second or so while the others are a fraction of a sec. Regarding if it is a 1-2 or 2-3, I'm not sure. It is the first actual change of gears that happens after starting off. I was never sure it it starts in 1st or 2nd. Hendrik Riessen wrote: Do you mean 1-2 or 2-3 shift? Do the engine revs flare up during the shift? Is there any difference between a cold box and operating temp box? May pay to pull the pan to see if there is debris in there, while it is off a new filter and fluid can't hurt. Is there any warranty left on the box? - Original Message - From: John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 12:03 PM Subject: [MBZ] 722.4 / 1991 300D 2.5 Transmission Question Hello Listers- I have a question, I have a 722.4 transmission in my '91 300D, 81k miles. I had a MB rebuilt put in 2 years ago, 8k miles ago. SNIPPED ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http
[MBZ] Slightly Wandering Posterior
I'm having the control arms changed out in the front of my 124, BUT what can I do about the slightly wandering rear end? I get a slight side to side wandering above 40mph Is this the rear end or could it be related to my spoiled control arms? If it is the rear, which bushing do I need to change out. I might do them at the same time. Thanks friends! John Peterson 1991 300D 2.5 81k Kingston RI
Re: [MBZ] Slightly Wandering Posterior
I'm wondering if the wander isn't just the front ball joint I have out. It has only recently started to really wander, and this has overlapped the time the ball joint has been squeaking like the Michael Jackson song (creaky door sound.) Regarding the control arms, I got the control arm because my MB dealer discouraged the changing of the ball joint alone. Maybe it is overkill. I bought both sides with the (maybe flawed) logic that it would be cost effective to change both at once. Roads are really bad here in the winter and early spring until they fix 'em. I noticed a huge degradation of the car since 3 years ago when I got it from Florida. I know I have one ball joint out, I was able to isolate this for sure, maybe I should shelve the other side control arm with ball joint for later? Not knowing what the job entails I still don't know if it makes sense to just swap them both out. I'm going to look at the repair CD and take a look. Anyone change both control arms at once? Have I been listening to too many MB dealers? Best investment I made in my ride was that damn $10 of Purge. Per dollar investment pays off 100 fold in acceleration etc. Not so sure about the $200 ea. control arms! John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 81k Purged and mean Werner - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slightly Wandering Posterior Early links are prone to failure. The bushing is vulcanized in place and acts as a spring, so they cannot be replaced separately. The rubber fails. Replacements are the new style and require a sleeve and bolt kit, but replacement isn't bad and will greatly improve handling. I have replaced most of them on both W124 chassis cars, and expect to get the rear subframe mounts, which also go bad on the earlier cars, soon. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1996 E300
Hello Friends, I have a friend with more money than I do who is looking at the /1996-1998 E class diesels/. Am I wrong to be telling him that MB diesels are wonderful and he is going to love them? I warned him that the '96 non turbo would be slow, but as far as reliability and what we have all come to expect from our 123's and 124's, do these compare? Are they a quality item? I personally have been toying with the idea of getting a 190 2.6 gasser for a third car here, along with my question about the later Diesels above, anybody have a 190? Opinions? Thanks John Peterson 1991 300D 2.5 84k Kingston, RI
Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freighter
I think it is built and open, the one in Warwick RI. I saw it last weekend. I didn't go in, but it appeared to be open for business. Curt Raymond wrote: None in New England yet, purportedly one being built in Warwick, RI. Maybe the RI listers and I should plan a group event on opening day? I fairly frequently see stuff there I'd like, and IR thermometer jumps to mind but hearing other stories of mailorder disaster makes me wary... However I did go to a Cummins Tool show last Sunday. Picked up a decent cellphone carrier, a good set of magnetic parts and tool holders and an poor quality dutch oven that in 5 or 10 years might season up to acceptable. -Curt Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:01:04 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freighter To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Fortunately, the one here is 14 miles away. The distance keeps my trips down to once a week.. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 - Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Shake at 60MPH after Control Arm R+R
After having both of my control arms replaced, I get a pretty severe shake in the wheel at 60+ mph. Same tires and rims etc. The indy didn't know if I would need an alignment after the control arm job, but could this be the cause of the shake? I thought alignment didn't have to do with wheel shake and that this was mostly a result of wheel balance etc. Help! Thanks, John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 84k
Re: [MBZ] Shake at 60MPH after Control Arm R+R
I'll check the wheel weights. I'm just ticked because I brought it in with no shake at all- but a blown ball joint. Now it shakes like a s.o.g. Could alignment do this? John Peterson John Peterson wrote: After having both of my control arms replaced, I get a pretty severe shake in the wheel at 60+ mph. Same tires and rims etc. The indy didn't know if I would need an alignment after the control arm job, but could this be the cause of the shake? I thought alignment didn't have to do with wheel shake and that this was mostly a result of wheel balance etc. Help! Thanks, John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 84k ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
