Re: [MBZ] Booth Cold Method (BCM) Rationale
And where is the coil wire on a diesel? :-) ...Kevin 87 300TD 278k mi Christopher McCann said: although accurate, not very convenient on a regular basis! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you should not really concern your self with 1/2 qt of oil the way to accurately check oil is to a change oil using 8 qt of oiland filter crank the engine with the dist coil wire off and placed nest to a ground point to get the oil pumped up in to the filter and tensioners maybe 15 or so sec. replace coil wire start engine and check for leaks because you added 8 qts. of oil you know exactly what is in the engine collins 1985 500 sec In a message dated 11/15/2005 6:16:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SO, the GOAL OF THE DIPSTICK is that when it reads halfway between min and max AFTER FOLLOWING MB's INSTRUCTIONS, you will indeed have the correct quantity of oil in the engine. I imagine that Marshall would not insist on the BCM without having years of experience behind him on this...so I must ask. Marshall, are you saying that if my eninge calls for 8 quarts and by Divine Revelation I know there are exactly 8 quarts of M1 in the engine AND I follow the procedure above, the reading on the dipstick will read low? And if I top it off so that the dipstick reads dead center, I have now 8+ quarts of M1? I know you have said that you don't know why this is, it just is. Any elaboration would be appreciated, because I can't see how it makes sense either. If anything, would not M1 return to the crankcase MORE QUICKLY than dino oil causing the dipstick, if anything, to READ HIGHER when following the above instructions. This just doesn't make sense to me. My own experience with M1 in the SD is that it reads the same following the MB instructions as when using the BCM. Which is sort of what lead me to this e-mail...the only way that can be the case is that M1 does indeed, after a few minutes, LARGELY flow back into the crankcase...giving nearly the same reading at 2 minutes as at 8 hours. Additionally, if we were saying that the BCM applies only to some obscure oil, that might make sense, but it's M1...MB's oil of choice...how can they not know how to use a dipstick? It seems a bit absurd. Now, the memo is 10 years old, maybe a new one has superceded it...maybe M1 has changed since then...don't know. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 209K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] carfax help please
Here's a link: http://www.pinebluff.dyndns.org/~kslater/sunil/carfax.htm Good luck. Sunil Hari wrote: Could someone run this VIN for me? WDBEB28E7NB762506 It -should- be a 1992 300D 2.5T -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Lunch walk double take..
Just strolled by a black 320 CDI in the little town that I work in. I saw the CDI and thought a second before turning back to look a second time. Yep a new E class diesel. Was parked along the street. I'll bet few realize it's a diesel.. ...Kevin -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
[MBZ] Looking for a W123 for new driver in the family..
Dieslers, I'm looking for a W123 (preferrably a 240D) for my 16 y/o son. He's actually requesting it be a Mercedes. (I think he wrote a 240D into a novel he wrote - haven't read it myself yet..) In any case, he can't drive on his own until late spring when he's able to take his test so I'm not in a great rush. I'd consider travelling somewhat to find one, but I don't want to go more than about a 1/2 day's drive. ...Kevin 87 300TD 82 300D RIP -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] Looking for a W123 for new driver in the family..
Thanks Lt Don, both for the translation AND the answer.. ...Kevin OK Don wrote: The Frapper Benzbunch puts him in Mars, PA. On 1/12/06, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whence cometh though? --R Kevin J. Slater wrote: -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, '87 300SDL 290K, '81 240D 173K, '78 450SLC 67K, '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] who here has a carfax account?
Kleb, here's a link to the report: carfax report http://www.pinebluff.dyndns.org/%7Ekslater/kaleb/carfax.html ...Kevin Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: here is the vin: WDB1230281A006171 Thanks, Kaleb Lee Levitt wrote: Kaleb, I've got a carfax account for another couple of days... Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:03 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] who here has a carfax account? IF so, let me know, I need a vin run thru carfax. The service I use wont do euro vins but carfax will. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] FS: W124 Euro light lenses - new
How much Dave? I have TYC lights on my wagon. (Wanted to get Hellas or Bosch, but the financial situation at the time wouldn't support it.) ...Kevin 87 300TD Dave M. said: Hi all, I found a pair of new lenses floating around my shop that I don't need. They are TYC brand, in original boxes, and will fit all Euro lights. They're the 1994/95 style but will fit 86-95 cars. No, they won't fit DOT lights. They look like this (this is an old photo of my car with a set if lights that are now gone): http://www.w124performance.com/images/W124_headlights/Standard_Hella_Euro.jpg You guys have first crack at them, next they're posted on the forums, then off to eBay... :-) -- Dave M. Boise, ID 1994 E500 - 95kmi (Q-ship) 1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] taking the bull by the horns - 87 300TD head gasket
Chris, if you want to talk about this job at any point; including when you're in the middle of it up to your neck, I'll be happy to chat with you. (Either online or via the phone.) Just drop me a line and I'll send you my home phone. I did this job myself last year. (And it turned out to be a cracked head, but I pretty much knew it going into the job.) ...Kevin 87 300TD 282k mi Christopher McCann said: Won't bet either way, we'll have to see. I still don't think it is, esp since the gaskets tend to fail behind cylinder # 6 in the exact spot mine has failed. THe failed gasket is new (the failure is new, not the gasket) and it did not overheat since. BUT, I would not be shocked if it were. Part of the big excitement! Chris Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can almost guarantee your head is cracked, 90% chance it is. Christopher McCann wrote: IF the head is cracked, which I doubt, but realize it is VERY POSSIBLE, I will get a new one and we'll get the valve job done, etc. Charlie has done all this several times before. The TD will be beached in the driveway for a while till I get a good head, but that's OK. I can ride my bike the entire 6 blocks to work and wifey can drive the SD. My Indy offered Charlie a job, he knows what he is doing (and he's psyched about the OkieQ this year - a MOPAR convert to diesel Benzes). Kaleb, you just want me to give up and sell the car for $500! :-) Thanks to all for advice and for the relevant job descriptions. Oh, I know I need more than a head gasket. I ordered everything I will need. They come in sets, ya know: head gasket set and valve cover set. Tchüß! Chris -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] 240D
Jim, I'm way down in western PA, but my 16 y/o son almost has his license and he'd actually like a 240D! Do you still have it and can you give me some particulars? ...Kevin Jim Keefe said: Can't keep 3 cars! This 240D is now $500. It's in central MA, runs well, doesn't like cold weather. Has a little rust, otherwise good body, dark blue, 1982 with 160K miles. [EMAIL PROTECTED],com ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
[MBZ] OT: 300E stalling intermittently..
Kind and Knowledgable List Members, My Mom has my brother's old 1987 300E. It's in pretty good shape overall and I've been helping to care for it since she took posession about a 1 1/2 years back. Lately, she's been telling me that it stalls every once in a while. It usually happens when she's either idling or creeping along slowly but after the cars been running for some time. (It happened to her most recently at a turn pike easy pass drive thru; she slowed to about 5 mph after driving at speed for about 25 minutes and it stalled on her.) I took the car for a test drive with her and sure enough it happened to me too. After we drove around my neighborhood for about 15 minutes, I was coasting downhill to a stop sign. As I went to pull away, it just died. No sputtering or anything like that, almost like the spark was removed. A while back she was having trouble with the car's performance (lack of power and very poor fuel economy) and I replaced the rotor arm and rotor cap. I don't recall replacing the plug wires, but I examined them after coming back from the test drive and they're pretty good looking, so they can't be very old. I pulled a spark plug and it looked like a well functioning plug should. Any ideas where to begin? I seem to recall that the car has about 160k miles on the clock. ...Kevin
Re: [MBZ] Parts 92 300TE in MA
Wow, that's really tempting. How hard to take my 300TD drive train and fit it to that 92 chassis? Might have to call on it for the int/ext colors. It's about 25 minutes from my sister's place in Braintree.. ...Kevin 87 300TD 282k mi Frederick Moir said: Hi, All. Ad reads:- 1992 Mercedes 300IE WGN. Vy gd body int. New catalytic converter, new snow tires,cracked oil pan front susp. damaged. Have title. $600. (Cohasset) 781-383-2345. No Affiliation etc. Body parts for the TD's out there? Fred Moir Lynn MA Dieselitis Horribilis - New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] Parts 92 300TE in MA
I've considered picking it up just to have parts from. I sort of have a place to store it. If it was really nice and complete inside, it would probably mean I'd part out the 87 instead. All of this is probably just dreaming as the wife has a long list of things that would be in front of any such adventure.. ...Kevin Jeff Zedic said: If you pick that car up I'd like the taillights! Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon
Page comes back to me as mime type text/plain. Not sure if it's on my end (proxy) or on yours. I assume most of folks on this list use IE to view your pages. I'm using Firefox 1.5 FWIW.. ...Kevin Jim Cathey said: Drum roll please. For sale, 1979 240D. 302kmi, auxiliary fuel tank. Perfect for biodiesel operation, has 1000 mile range. Not perfect, but looks pretty good. Rust-free. Reluctant cold-starter, but has started every time for me so far. Very clean inside, you can date with this car and not be ashamed. $2500 See http://cathey.dogear.com/mb240dsale.html for pictures and more information. OK, I don't expect you guys to buy it, I'm planning to list it on nearby Craigs lists to start, especially in Seattle. But I'd appreciate feedback on the web site, etc. I'm planning to redo the pictures if I can get a nice overcast day while it's still clean. The hazy sun resulted in pictures that are much more washed-out looking than the car deserves. Also need to get an engine compartment shot, I seem to have forgotten that one. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
[MBZ] Cooling problem with my 87 300TD
Folks, I have a few problems with my 1987 300TD and I could really use some list wisdom tracking them down. The foremost, and the one I've forgotten about since the last warm days of last fall, is that my auxillary fan never comes on. On the way home from work last evening (outside temperature around 68 degrees F) after I got off the highway and was making my way through some local lights, the temperature gauge went about 110 (probably over 115) and no aux fan. I made it home without incident and decided to check out what I could. Last night, with the key in the run position, I shorted the pins on the temperature sensor on thermostat housing and the fan came on as it should. (Didn't sound great, but it hasn't run in months either.) I did the same with the pins on the high pressure switch and again the fan ran as expected. A couple of other datapoints: 1) the car has had the #14 head replaced (by me) with a #17. 2) I don't have any coolant in the oil or oil in the coolant problems. 3) previous owner was a hack and I think the aux fan resistor is missing, or maybe I don't know where to find it. 4) my viscous clutch for the rad fan is probably mostly dead. What diagnosis do I need to do to find why the aux fan isn't running? Eventhough this might not be the only problem, I think if it was working correctly, I'd get some relief from those high coolant temps in stop and go traffic. I know the aux fan used to come on at times when the a/c was on and I was pulling into the garage b/c I would hear it as I pulled in. ...Kevin (Slater, Mars, PA - Marshall I'm extra-signing for you and I'll come and cut your grass if you help me out!) 87 300TD 282k miles
Re: [MBZ] Cooling problem with my 87 300TD
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Marshall Booth wrote: Kevin J. Slater wrote: Folks, I have a few problems with my 1987 300TD and I could really use some list wisdom tracking them down. Last night, with the key in the run position, I shorted the pins on the temperature sensor on thermostat housing and the fan came on as it should. (Didn't sound great, but it hasn't run in months either.) I did the same with the pins on the high pressure switch and again the fan ran as expected. A couple of other datapoints: 1) the car has had the #14 head replaced (by me) with a #17. 2) I don't have any coolant in the oil or oil in the coolant problems. 3) previous owner was a hack and I think the aux fan resistor is missing, or maybe I don't know where to find it. 4) my viscous clutch for the rad fan is probably mostly dead. What diagnosis do I need to do to find why the aux fan isn't running? Eventhough this might not be the only problem, I think if it was working correctly, I'd get some relief from those high coolant temps in stop and go traffic. I know the aux fan used to come on at times when the a/c was on and I was pulling into the garage b/c I would hear it as I pulled in. ...Kevin (Slater, Mars, PA - Marshall I'm extra-signing for you and I'll come and cut your grass if you help me out!) 87 300TD 282k miles Replace the temp switch if shorting it makes the fan run! When the AC turns on and pressure rises to 250-280 psi, the fan should also run at slower speed (unless the big resistor is burned out). I've attached an electrical diagram of the circuit (will be stripped from the list copy). Marshall Ok, maybe I misstated what I did. I'll pulled the connector from the temperature switch on the thermostat housing and I shorted the sockets that connect to the pins on the temp sensor. This made the fan kick on. Are you saying it shouldn't have? ...Kevin Mars, PA 87 300TD 282k mi
Re: [MBZ] Cooling problem with my 87 300TD
Andrew, thanks for the offer. I need to get this and a bunch of other stuff that I've been saving up for a Rusty order. If I wasn't concerned about getting this in a hurry I'd take you up on the offer. ...Kevin andrew strasfogel said: I have a temp. switch really cheep if that's what you need. On 4/11/06, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/11/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Replace the temp switch if shorting it makes the fan run! When the AC turns on and pressure rises to 250-280 psi, the fan should also run at slower speed (unless the big resistor is burned out). I've attached an electrical diagram of the circuit (will be stripped from the list copy). Hmm, interesting! I have the ETM but somehow I never looked at that page before. My aux fan definitely comes on at full blast when coolant temp gets high, but I've never observed it to come on at *low* speed (although I guess I could have missed it since there would be other simultanous A/C-related noises masking it). How common is it for R15 to burn out? Where's it located and what value is it supposed to be? (My VOM finger is already itching.) And which relay in the fusebox is K10, the auxiliary fan preresistor relay? I seem to recall that nothing back there is labeled and all the relays look the same. (But I'd love to test that little critter too.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] Cooling problem with my 87 300TD
Marshall Booth wrote: Kevin J. Slater wrote: Ok, maybe I misstated what I did. I'll pulled the connector from the temperature switch on the thermostat housing and I shorted the sockets that connect to the pins on the temp sensor. This made the fan kick on. Are you saying it shouldn't have? If shorting the pins produces fan action (that shows that the relay and fan are working) then the temp sensor isn't closing when it gets hot and that suggests the sensor/switch is BAD. All of the engine compartment temp sensors or sensors/switches are touchy about getting wet or being soaked with cleaners. They often fail following a good engine cleaning if you haven't shielded them. The fan should only operate at low speed IF the AC system high side pressure reaches 250-280 psi and that may take 5-10 minutes or even NEVER happen on a day when temps are much below 75-80 deg. F. Marshall Ok, I know that I need to order a new switch. Which I'll do once I finish entering some tax data. I think I caused at least part of the cooling issue by leaving out part of the fan shroud the last time I was working in that area. It's the part that extends the shroud out towards the fan itself and, knowing a small amount about aerodynamics, I'm sure it's quite important to the flow of air through the radiator. Things are better now, but I still need to see what else I need to do. Thanks to all for the help. ...Kevin 87 300TD 283k mi
[MBZ] Harbor Freight R-134 guages?
I have 3 cars which have R-134 systems in some sort of state of charge. Is it worth it to get an inexpensive set of guages to help me determine the health of the systems? Only 1 of the 3 vehicles would merit serious repair and even that is somewhat of a question at this point. Does anyone have a pointer to a general R-134 A/C system checkup / howto? ...Kevin 87 300TD 283k mi
Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD cooling problems redux
Jim, Casey, Dave, Tan, Johnny, (anyone I missed) Thanks for the answers. I figured the pump was the suspect, but it's always good to go to the list for confirmation. There is a wealth of knowledge here on the list and I'm just happy to be along for the ride. ...Kevin 87 300TD 283k mi Dave M. said: It's either the water pump, or something related the water pump housing, which is a separate item from the block. The water pump and the t-stat cover both attach to this housing. Photo below: http://www.w124performance.com/images/OM603_timing_cover/engine_stand3.jpg http://www.w124performance.com/images/OM603_exhaust/thermo-tec4.jpg Here's a photo of Casey's new housing: http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/MB%20Repairs/H2O-pump%20housing-front.jpg -- Dave M. Boise, ID 1994 E500 - 95kmi (Q-ship) 1987 300D - 263kmi (Sportline) -- Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:51:02 -0400 From: Kevin J. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 87 300TD cooling problems redux Well, when it rains it pours. I put the 87 300TD up on the ramps Saturday and removed the sound sheild after seeing a small puddle of coolant under the car. (My wife says that she noticed a puddle the other day as well and neglected to tell me about it.) After having a look at various hoses and connections underneath and up top, nothing looked bad or appeared to be leaking. I started the engine and immediately saw a trickle / dribbling of coolant from around the bottom of the alternator bracket. It looked to be coming out from behind where it attaches to the block. It wasn't the hose that attaches to the side of the engine where the thermostat is, nor was it from the thermostat housing itself. In short, I couldn't spot the leak, but it's definately there and a concern. Could this be the water pump failing? Anything else I should consider before ordering a new water pump and tearing into the area of the leak? ...Kevin 87 300TD 283k mi. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
[MBZ] Why no 320CDI choice for the new GL?
I don't get MB. You'd think they'd start putting diesel engines in more cars. I know that folks who buy a new MB can usually afford to put gasoline in the tank, but at the same time, there must be a large cross section that would like to be able to say they get really good mileage in their new XX class MB. Donchathink? ...Kevin 87 300TD 283k mi -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD cooling problems redux
Ok, last night I replace the old water pump with a shiny new (Geba) one from Rusty. When I was disassebmling I had a heck of a time getting the metal fan past the viscous clutch on the front of the water pump. I was able to get it past with a little bit of wiggle and force. The same can't be said for the reassembly. I can't see how it's possible to get the fan back on the front of the viscous clutch without removing the radiator. (Which I was trying to avoid.) Anyone been there and done that and have a clue for me before I bite the bullet and pull the radiator tonight? ...Kevin 87 300TD 283k mi (and holding) Kevin J. Slater said: Well, when it rains it pours. I put the 87 300TD up on the ramps Saturday and removed the sound sheild after seeing a small puddle of coolant under the car. (My wife says that she noticed a puddle the other day as well and neglected to tell me about it.) After having a look at various hoses and connections underneath and up top, nothing looked bad or appeared to be leaking. I started the engine and immediately saw a trickle / dribbling of coolant from around the bottom of the alternator bracket. It looked to be coming out from behind where it attaches to the block. It wasn't the hose that attaches to the side of the engine where the thermostat is, nor was it from the thermostat housing itself. In short, I couldn't spot the leak, but it's definately there and a concern. Could this be the water pump failing? Anything else I should consider before ordering a new water pump and tearing into the area of the leak? ...Kevin 87 300TD 283k mi. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD cooling problems redux
Dave (and the others that responded), Typical Mercedes thing. Take the fan off the clutch and it's possible, though hard to remove. Separated, it's impossible to replace without removing the radiator. Put it back on the clutch and it's possible to replace; and I didn't even buy the custom tools. Thanks for the help Dave. ...Kevin Dave M. said: Kevin, It sounds like you are trying to mount the clutch to the water pump, then attach the fan blade separately? That would be awfully hard, if not impossible. The blade and clutch should stay attached. You install the water pump by itself, then drop the clutch+fan down the front and bolt it on with the single 8mm Allen-head bolt. This is very, very hard to do with the radiator in place if you don't have the bolt spinner tool, and the stubby socket. You've got two options: 1) Pull the radiator. It will be easier in the long run, and gives you an excuse to blow the radiator condenser fins out with compressed air. 2) Buy the stubby socket and fabricate the spinner tool. Photos are here: http://www.w124performance.com/images/tools/OM60x_serp_belt_tools.jpg With the correct tools (shown in the photo above), I can have the fan + clutch removed in literally less than 5 minutes. It's worth the tool cost for the time savings if you own a 124/603 and do your own work... :-) -dm -- Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:21:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin J. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD cooling problems redux Ok, last night I replace the old water pump with a shiny new (Geba) one from Rusty. When I was disassebmling I had a heck of a time getting the metal fan past the viscous clutch on the front of the water pump. I was able to get it past with a little bit of wiggle and force. The same can't be said for the reassembly. I can't see how it's possible to get the fan back on the front of the viscous clutch without removing the radiator. (Which I was trying to avoid.) Anyone been there and done that and have a clue for me before I bite the bullet and pull the radiator tonight? ...Kevin 87 300TD 283k mi (and holding) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
[MBZ] Starting a 240D that's been sitting for a year..
Dieslers, it would seem that my 16 y/o son with his newly minted driver's license have an adventure lined up for this weekend. We've been made aware of a 1979 240D with an owner that would like to move it. The car has been sitting for a year and hasn't been started in that timeframe. I don't know whether it has serial or parallel plugs. I've been told it has no major mechanical problems. So the questions: 1) What plan of attack should I take in getting it started? Hints? Things not to do? Think to do? (I know not to use ether for example.) 2) If anyone is familiar with the DMV regulations in VA, what are the requirements for buying and transporting a car out of state? Obviously, this assumes driving it away; putting it on a trailer is a known quantity. ...Kevin '87 300D 282k mi
Re: [MBZ] Quick fix for freewheeling fan clutch
Once again, Peter get's the gold star for the most useful information in a thread. So I just found out my fan clutch is shot, which I suspected, but wasn't sure how to test. I recall a while back that Joe had a method for adding silicone oil back into an empty fan clutch? Is that method detailed anywhere? ...Kevin 87 300TD 282k mi Peter Frederick said: Actually, the MB test for the fan clutch is even easier -- with engine hot (so the clutch should be engaged), shut the engine off. If the fan rotates more than a single revolution more after the engine stops, the clutch is bad (i.e. out of fluid). Sitting more than a couple minutes, it will ALWAYS be stiff to turn unless out of fluid-- the clutch works by filling a slot with high viscosity silicone oil to drag the fan blade. The fluid drains into the slot with the engine off, so the fan will drag cold and after sitting. This a good way to tell if the fluid has all leaked out, though -- if the fan spins freely cold, the clutch is shot. Unfortunately, it can drag cold but not work if the bimetallic spring is stuck or no longer springs as the temp changes so that the fluid is not directed into the slot. It should also roar and move a lot of air for a few seconds when first started, then go quiet. When engaged, it should also roar and move large quantities of air. Easy to tell in my old Volvo, as the fan sounds like a jet engine, but not so obvious on a Benz. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Starting a 240D that's been sitting for a year..
To everyone that took the time to comment on my questions - Thanks. We got it started and put some money down to hold it. It took a lot of cranking and we had to purchase a new group 49 battery to get it going. It has the dreaded loop glowplugs. We dropped in a clear fuel filter that I had in a box, turns out no worries about algae yet. It does have a few issues I'll need to address: 1) The passenger side wiper arm is not moving, but the driver's side does. Is this a common issue? (I hope not expensive to fix.) 2) The left side turn signals worked fine, when the right side turn signal was activated, it just buzzed from under the dash near the glove box? 3) Where do I get the loop to parallel glow plug conversion kit? Rusty/Hursty; you have these? 4) The passenger rear door had no interior door lock / unlock thingy and the door doesn't open. Apparently, manually locked and power locks aren't working. Any ideas on approaches to getting this door unlocked and open? Also, we noticed that the fog lights were clear, this doesn't seem typical. Comments? ...Kevin 87 300TD 282k mi 79 240D soon?
Re: [MBZ] Starting a 240D that's been sitting for a year..
That could well be the problem. I did try to re-thread the door lock pull knob for a minute and it didn't catch. Since we were just starting our look at the car at that time I didn't peer down the hole in the top of the door to see if the threaded rod was anywhere to be found. ...Kevin Trampas said: The door problem could be that the metal rod for the unlock knob inside the car is stuck under the door panel keeping door locked. Use a coat hanger to free it up such that it is centered in hole then have someone unlock doors. This will allow it to pop up and you can open door. Yes I have had this happen more than once. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting a 240D that's been sitting for a year.. 1) The passenger side wiper arm is not moving, but the driver's side does. Is this a common issue? (I hope not expensive to fix.) Not common. Linkage popped off under the cowl? 2) The left side turn signals worked fine, when the right side turn signal was activated, it just buzzed from under the dash near the glove box? All bulbs good? How's hazard lights work? It's all the same circuit. 4) The passenger rear door had no interior door lock / unlock thingy and the door doesn't open. Apparently, manually locked and power locks aren't working. Any ideas on approaches to getting this door unlocked and open? Pull inside handle while kicking the door open. Hope that this works! Also, we noticed that the fog lights were clear, this doesn't seem typical. Comments? Some were clear, some were yellow. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Starting a 240D that's been sitting for a year..
David Brodbeck said: Kevin J. Slater wrote: 1) The passenger side wiper arm is not moving, but the driver's side does. Is this a common issue? (I hope not expensive to fix.) Haven't heard of that one on a Benz, but I've had it happen on a Volvo. If you're lucky maybe it's just stripped the wiper arm. On most cars I've had, the wiper shaft is splined, tapered, and made of steel, while the wiper arm's center is very soft aluminum. The steel shaft actually cuts splines into the arm when the nut is tightened. If the arm is a little bit loose and the wiper gets frozen to the windshield, the arm will strip. The cure is to remove the arm, clean any metal shreds out of the splines on the shaft, and reinstall. Every time you do this the arm will sit a little lower on the taper. If it gets to the point where it won't fit snugly anymore, shim with aluminum foil. (That said, I don't know if Benzes use this particular arrangement.) If you're unlucky the linkage has come apart under the cowl. It still might not be too hard to fix. I suspect you've correctly diagnosed this. On the way home my son and I were discussing this and he mentioned to me that when the wiper arm was pulled back from the window, it did move some. That indicates to me that the linkage under the cowl is ok and maybe the arm is just in need of remounting. At worst possibly a new arm. 2) The left side turn signals worked fine, when the right side turn signal was activated, it just buzzed from under the dash near the glove box? Buzzing relays often are a symptom of a bad ground somewhere. I'd clean the ground connections and bulb sockets at the fixtures. If you've got one where the parking lamp or four-way flasher doesn't work, start there. Some people have also reported successfully curing turn signal problems by cycling the four-way flasher switch repeatedly for a while, like a couple hundred times. The turn signals are routed through there and dirty contacts sometimes cause problems, since that switch is rarely used. I believe the right front marker light was out as well as that turn signal didn't work so we'll start looking there. Hopefully either just bulbs or dirty contacts. Also, we noticed that the fog lights were clear, this doesn't seem typical. Comments? Could be they're clear fogs, or maybe someone replaced them with driving lights. Do they throw a wide, flat beam like a fog lamp, or a longer, more penetrating one like a driving light? Bright, sunny, middle of the day lighting made this difficult to determine. But I think we'll have a chance to check it in the coming weeks. ...Kevin
[MBZ] 240D from VA to PA, need advice..
I'm in need of some advice. I have a car I want to buy that's located in Virginia. It's been sitting for a while so it's not inspected and it doesn't have plates. I live in PA and I'd like to drive it back. (Towing isn't an option b/c of other complications for this trip.) I don't think I can get plates for it in PA since I don't have the title. I don't think I want to try to get plates in VA since that would entail paying a bunch of fees that I'll just have to pay again in PA. You guys that buy a lot of cars, what do you do? Once I get it back in PA it's an easy process to get it properly inspected, get the title transferred and get new plates for it. ...Kevin 87 300TD 284k miles -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] 240D from VA to PA, need advice..
David Brodbeck said: Marshall Booth wrote: Have you contacted PennDOT? I'm pretty sure there IS a way to do what you want, but I can't recall what it is. When I bought a car in Pennsylvania, I was able to get a temporary cardboard plate. I went with the seller to the local AAA office and they took care of it. They also notarized the title and bill of sale. One stop shopping! That would be great, but I'm buying a car in Virginia and will be bringing it back to Pennsylvania (travelling through the Peoples Republic of Maryland for a short distance on the way). ...Kevin 87 300TD 284k mi
Re: [MBZ] 240D from VA to PA, need advice..
John Ervine said: John Ervine wrote: More responsible individuals, on the other hand, tend to have better things to do with their time. ;-) Forgot to add - all three trips were done sans license plates, but with valid insurance on the cars phoned in before I left. Never had a second glance from any of the fine law enforcement personnel I encountered along the way. Some states offer temp tags, but Georgia is not one of them. With insurance, a title, and a bill of sale, I felt I'd be just fine if any situation arose. And maybe THAT'S a better approach then what I've been toying with; which is to take the PA plate off my 87 wagon and put that on the 79 240D for the trip back. Complications for this retrieval are that I'm going to be in the area with my family camping (so that rules out trailering it back since the popup camper will be attached to the Trailblazer) and I don't want to make another trip down there just to pick up a car. Also, the sale isn't complete yet. I have given the seller some hand money to hold it, but I don't have the title, etc. ...Kevin 87 300TD 284k mi
Re: [MBZ] need advice A possibly entertaining story.
Part of that trip reminds me of a trip I took from State College to Virginia Beach one night while attending Penn State. The rest of my family was down there at a house along the beach and I wanted to join them. My car at the time was an old Austin Marina 4 door, 4 cylinder, 4 speed. Sometime after I left I lost the brakes or at least most of them. Since I was driving in the very early morning during the week on mostly 2 lane roads through the countryside, I made it without incident. REALLY STUPID, REALLY FORTUNATE (God's grace if you ask me) and I hope my own kids are smarter than that. ...Kevin John Berryman said: This is why I ship UPS, Fed-Ex, etc. I sometimes ship my luggage and personal effects to travel destinations and travel real light on the plane. I had my luggage misplaced and as a result, had to spend a couple of days in a hotel in New Orleans. On the airline's tab, meals and drinks included. This was when I bought a 300CD from Jason Stearn. It was the day after Christmas 2001 when I flew out, they had just started checking peoples shoes for explosives. I was checked. Being right after 9/11/01 their was a lot of tension regarding security. I knew I was'nt getting on the plane carrying tools and license plates. All legal paperwork and stickers were in there too. I NEVER, EVER checked luggage up to then and since. The airline delivered it to the hotel intact. It was an adventure from the start. There was noise, sounded like the diff was gonna blow, it didn't change no matter how I hammered it so I sucked it and kept moving. I'm heading out of Baton Rouge to the Adirondack Region of NY (note the date). I did'nt realize that there's no heat until...yup, you got it. There right rear caliper blew. Brakes, who needs 'em? I'm running all Interstates all 90-95mph until Tennessee, they'll tolerate 80-85 in a 75. The driver's seat is shot, BAD and there's a nasty winter storm coming. If I drive straight through, with no sleep I can miss the worst of it. Did I mention window regulator broke leaving the window jammed in a cocked position? Well any way, I'll have some nice crisp air to help keep me awake, no time to fix, gotta beat the storm. Worn Michelin MXVs don't do much on snow and ice. You should always behave while driving through Virginia, somehow this always slips my mind. The weather got uncooperative in Northern Va. and stayed that way for the duration of the adventure. It was a weak attempt at a Wintery Mix but still enough to keep one from becoming bored riding on those skins. The Norther I go the Colder and icier it gets. I'm getting a hint of warm air to the defroster vents so I had some de-icing capability and a somewhat clear area for forward vision most of the time. I- 81 through Pa was no day at the beach, the icy hilly roads are unforgiving and cause massive pile-ups, often with resultant fatalities. Those familiar can give testimony to that. Fate would have it, as I crest a hill I see about 1/4mile ahead that there's a car on its side , half on the median and two young guys who stopped to help. I was driving way ahead of myself and keeping the speed real sane but it was a real challenge to get her stopped on front brakes only and those lovely tires. The kids waved me on saying help was on the way and no one was seriously injured. In my mirror, I watch a 17 car pile-up as I drive off, I heard the number on the news. There were two more pile-ups which I was able to navigate around to avoid being the next crushed car. Finally I hit the NY border and settle into a good groove, only 3 1/2 hours from home and my Sugar Pie. Now that the Demo-Derby on ice is far behind me, I realize it's colder than a mother-in-laws kiss and my feet are numb. I stop in Binghampton for fuel and drive the rest of the way home with sweaters wrapped around my legs. We're real generous with the salt up here and this coupe had no idea what she was being driven into, as she spent her rust-free life between SoCal and The Big Easy. She hasn't seen road salt since that night. The rest of the ride was relatively uneventful. I got in before the brunt of the storm and awoke the next morning to 18 of snow. I'm always happy to be home after my many sojourns but I was ecstatic after this one. Aside for the few mechanical inconveniences I mentioned earlier, I had no mechanical trouble, no need to pick up a single tool. The horrendous sound that I listened to, trying to ignore all the way home wound up being a broken tranny mount. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus
Re: [MBZ] 240D from VA to PA, need advice..
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Not sure if this has been completely answered yet... I live in PA and I picked up my car in Boston with a Maine title. Have the owner send you the title, take it to any tag place in PA and get a licence plate. Take the plate with you when you go to pick up the car. Put insurance on the car before you leave and take some proof of insurance when you go to pick up the car. When you get back in PA you will have something like a month to get an inspection. Put the temporary registration in the window of the car. Hope this helps, Now we're talking! That sounds like good advice. I'll call the seller and complete the sale so I can get the title. Thanks for chiming in. ...Kevin 87 300TD 284k mi
Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.
Ha! I remember taking two cross country trips with my family as a youth. Both times we took 9 kids (leaving either the eldest or youngest of 10 behind) and 2 parents and all fit into a single chevy station wagon. One lucky small child got to take the space between the middle and rear bench seats as his own space. (Rear facing rear seat.) That leaves 3 up front, 4 in the middle row and 3 in the rear. And I don't think any of us had proper restraint. Half of time in the middle row, we turned around backwards and used the seat as a table to keep us busy. Today both of parents would be in shackles and the 10 kids would be wards of the state.. ...Kevin Rich Thomas said: Damn, how did the human race ever survive without AC in our cars? Babies dying everywhere from no AC in cars. It's a wonder I survived, I think my parents had a 49 Ford or some such POS that brought me home, and the leaded-gas pollution that thing belched, drum brakes, no power steering, NO SEAT BELTS, NO CPSC-approved CAR SEAT, no electric windows, no auto tranny, no rear-view video camera, no cell phone or ipod attachments, no drop-down vid screens and DVD player, no R stickers, no pedestrian-friendly bumpers, no warning chimes telling them to buckle up, no DOT-approved tires, no ABS, no radar-powered adaptive cruise control, I must be some statistical aberration (in regards to riding home in the car anyway). They told me that they organized the back seat with a sheet of plywood over the foot well so they could put blankets and such there to make a bed for me to sleep on on long trips (and I think there is a photo of that somewhere). HORRORS --R Bob Rentfro wrote: I had a '62 Falcon with the little 170 (?) 6 in it and the 3 on the tree tranny. My favorite thing was lifting the hood and seeing more driveway than engine. The thing that sucked a bit was that all the '60s Mustangs used the same AC parts as the Falcon. The Mustang boys generally had more sweet moola to lay down for scarce AC parts than young Falcon drivers did. All of yous guys have your how I about froze story...well the old Fal-coon, with its no AC, gives me an it's too hot story. When boy child was born (7/21/89) I was ready to take him home because my wife stayed in the hsp for a spell batteling Krohn's, the crusty old nurse would not let me take him cross town in my piece of crap with no air...you wanna cook this kid? Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] need advice A possibly entertaining story. Falcons were near the model T for simplicity. I had a friend in HS who had one with a gazillion miles. The auto trans got to where it would not shift out of low, so he drove it around (slowly) in low with the engine screamin' He later graduated to a 62 falcon van named Butch. Butch finally went to the crusher last fall. At 08:44 AM 6/7/2006, you wrote: car at the time was an old Austin Marina 4 door, 4 cylinder, 4 speed. Sometime after I left I lost the brakes or at least most of them. Since I was driving in the very early morning during the week on mostly 2 lane roads through the countryside, I made it without incident. REALLY STUPID, I've got one of those. '60 Falcon, returning cross-state to Cow College (mostly 2-lane roads) after Christmas break with my girlfriend, Saturday night. Next to no money, of course. Partway through the trip I started hearing odd little noises, and shortly after passing through a small town the noises got not so odd and not so little. Rear wheel bearing went out. Returned to small town to find only service station now closed. Decided to press through, figured we could sleep in the car if necessary. Bearing chewed itself to small pieces, the heat took out the brakes (single-circuit), and the geometry change took out the parking brake. We'd go about 15 MPH for 15 minutes, then stop for 15 minutes and throw snow on the rear wheel until it stopped hissing. The trip was interminable, and definitely a strain on the relationship. One of the games I'd like to play in that car was to see how far I could get on my trips without using the brakes, so I was well-practiced with a now-needed skill! (The tractors on our farmlet had bad brakes, so this was something you needed to know how to do.) By the time we got to the next (and only) big town the situation had stabilized, and we decided to continue on (after a very late dinner) the final 30 miles. The repair (at the Ford dealership) was actually quite reasonable. One wheel bearing, a brake slave cylinder rebuild, and a bit of metal or two for the parking brake. I think they knew they couldn't put the bite too hard on college students, and word of mouth definitely works in a place like that. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:
Re: [MBZ] 240D from VA to PA, need advice..
This is a private seller that plans to simply sign the title over to me. I checked with the VA DMV's hotline and the helpful person on the phone said that the temporary transport tag (good for 3 days and a specified start and end point pair) is good for out-of-state transport as well. This can be picked up at any DMV service center and requires proof of insurance, the signed title and payment of the fee. So eventhough the website says VA residents only, I'm going with that plan. Thanks to Marshall for pointing out the link on the VA DMV site. ...Kevin 87 300TD 284k mi Tan Qu said: Usually you can get a temporary tag from where you buy the car by explaining to them that you want to register the car in a different state but want something to transport the car legally. You will need the title signed over to your name and insurance proof for the car. Tan --- Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin J. Slater wrote: I'm in need of some advice. I have a car I want to buy that's located in Virginia. It's been sitting for a while so it's not inspected and it doesn't have plates. I live in PA and I'd like to drive it back. (Towing isn't an option b/c of other complications for this trip.) I don't think I can get plates for it in PA since I don't have the title. I don't think I want to try to get plates in VA since that would entail paying a bunch of fees that I'll just have to pay again in PA. You guys that buy a lot of cars, what do you do? Once I get it back in PA it's an easy process to get it properly inspected, get the title transferred and get new plates for it. ...Kevin 87 300TD 284k miles Have you contacted PennDOT? I'm pretty sure there IS a way to do what you want, but I can't recall what it is. Check THIS site - esp the next to last paragraph! http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/citizen/vehicles/temp_permit.asp Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
[MBZ] annoying exhaust leak on OM 603
Ever since I swapped my bad #14 head for a better #17 head, I've had a engine compartment leak of some sort. It's somewhere on the exhaust side, but I haven't been able to find it. It's rather minor but really annoying, especially now with fuel prices rising we'll be driving this vehicle (87 300TD) much more. Any pointers on where I should start looking or even how to help find it? ...Kevin 87 300TD -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] W124 sunroof kaput
Go ahead Marshall, you tell him.. ...Kevin Dave M. wrote: Hi all, I just had a sickening experience... hearing unnatural noises when trying to open my sunroof (down back) from a popped-up state. Something is broken but I can't tell what exactly. There's a bar that goes across the width, on the rear of the opening... the left side moves back, the right side stays put. Right now it's stuck/jammed in the popped-up state, which I guess is better than wide open, but still doesn't make the car useful in wet weather. Fiddling with it, I can get the left side to lower partially but not the right. Anyone have tips on how to get it closed without screwing things up worse? At the moment I'd be content with getting it shut and then disconnecting the motor. I know the general wisdom is to NOT attempt a DIY repair, and take it directly to a shop that knows how to fix this type of sunroof (very different than the simple, old W123 style). I'm probably going to end up doing that but not right away, if possible. I looked up the prices for some of the parts, and if it needs a new frame (eek), cost of everything will be $1000 *wholesale* - plus labor!!! (The old frame was superceded to a new style, which requires a half-dozen extra updated items, hence the higher cost.) BTW - this is on my 87 300D. The updated sunroofs started, I think, in late 1987 model year. Hmm... maybe I could rape the sunroof mechanism from my parts car! Anyone attemped a DIY repair on these and lived to tell the story? :-(
Re: [MBZ] W124 sunroof kaput
I have no story to tell because I heeded the advice of the wise. It's just that from time to time, across the 3 mercedes diesel lists that I've been on for these last many years, every time someone asks my W124 sunroof isn't straight/doesn't close/needs adjustment/needs work Marshall chimes in with I know of too many people that attempted repair only to humbly take the parts in a basket to the dealer for proper repair. (Apologies Marshall, but I gave you your lead in and you didn't take it..) ...Kevin Gabriel S. said: I would like to hear that story, I'm trying to decide what to do with my sunroof as well. On 9/6/05, Kevin J. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go ahead Marshall, you tell him.. ...Kevin Dave M. wrote: Hi all, I just had a sickening experience... hearing unnatural noises when trying to open my sunroof (down back) from a popped-up state. Something is broken but I can't tell what exactly. There's a bar that goes across the width, on the rear of the opening... the left side moves back, the right side stays put. Right now it's stuck/jammed in the popped-up state, which I guess is better than wide open, but still doesn't make the car useful in wet weather. Fiddling with it, I can get the left side to lower partially but not the right. Anyone have tips on how to get it closed without screwing things up worse? At the moment I'd be content with getting it shut and then disconnecting the motor. I know the general wisdom is to NOT attempt a DIY repair, and take it directly to a shop that knows how to fix this type of sunroof (very different than the simple, old W123 style). I'm probably going to end up doing that but not right away, if possible. I looked up the prices for some of the parts, and if it needs a new frame (eek), cost of everything will be $1000 *wholesale* - plus labor!!! (The old frame was superceded to a new style, which requires a half-dozen extra updated items, hence the higher cost.) BTW - this is on my 87 300D. The updated sunroofs started, I think, in late 1987 model year. Hmm... maybe I could rape the sunroof mechanism from my parts car! Anyone attemped a DIY repair on these and lived to tell the story? :-( ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=-
Re: [MBZ] W124 sunroof kaput
Bravo! I knew there had to be folks who could and did tackle this job. The German in me says it should be possible for non-factory trained souls, but I'm too afraid to leave a gaping hole in the roof of my Mom's 300E to be a pioneer in this endeavor.. ...Kevin Mike Boerner said: Gabriel, Mine went about two years ago, same symptoms. Fixed it myself, but the parts aren't inexpensive. Look at the sunroof RR procedure in the manual, it'll get you far enough into removal so you can see what's wrong, and how to remove the sunroof. ( This involves popping the sunroof headliner loose at the front with a flat bladed object, and sliding it forward til it's free). IIRC, the failed parts appear to be approximately $5 worth of plastic, namely an item that serves as a ramp for the pop-up feature (probably the angle bracket, although I don't have the parts catalog. You should buy and install both sides at the same time, as you don't want to do this job twice. I think I wound up with a parts cost of $300-$400, from EMB in Fairfax, VA, at good prices. The only problem I had was that one of the parts came fully dressed, i.e., with piece parts attached, and I had ordered the piece parts as well, due to the uncertainty caused by the part number/nomenclature changes associated with the new design. I found I was able to work around the special tool requirement (I believe a screw and wedges served the function), but I also scribed the position of every adjustment bolt to aid in its reassembly/adjustment. Exclusive of awaiting parts time, this repair consumed the better part of an entire day (once you've removed the headliner, you should be able to figure out how to lower the roof-I remember removing the roof panel, removing the broken brackets, then re-inserting the roof panel, shimming at the front sides to match the outside contour, and taping it shut for about a week til I ordered parts). Maybe I'll get it done it in 1/2 the time when my 300 sdl sunroof goes. Maybe not, judging by how little I can recall now! Mike Boerner 87 300sdl, 87 300d, 01 320ml
Re: [MBZ] OM603 cylinder head removal - special tools?
Much easier, IMHO, is to get a couple of lengths of M6 bolt and a big flat washer that the head of the bolt won't pass through. Then you take a socket, shallow first, later deep well and thread the bolt with washer through the socket and into the timing chain guide pin. Then it's a simple matter of tightening the bolt and pulling the pin. You'll have to add washers and switch to a deep socket (probably), but it's a pretty foolproof method. (And believe me, I'm a big fool, so I know.) Also, I didn't find the amount of force required to break loose the head bolts to be that bad. It's a bit scary on the first one or two, but after that it goes pretty easy. ...Kevin dave walton said: I used a dent puller for the slide rails with a metric bolt that fit inside the tip. The bolt will get bent. Don't use one you need. -Dave Walton On 9/18/05, Aaron Lam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Tomorrow morning I'm attempting to remove a cylinder head from an 87 300D that's in a local junkyard. Besides the triple square socket, what other special tools are absolutely required? The FSM makes note of a few such as the timing chain slide-rail puller, but I figured I'd ask because sometimes alternatives can be improvised. Also, can part of the exhaust manifold (and the turbo possibly) be left attached to the cylinder head when it's being removed? PS: If anyone's in the SF Bay Area and can possibly lend a hand tomorrow morning, shoot me an email off list... Thanks in advance for any assistance, Aaron ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
[MBZ] Removing the bumper cover on W124?
I have some minor rust issues that I want to deal with before fall/winter on my 87 300TD. I need to remove the bumper cover from the right rear fender well area. Any tips for the body work impaired? ...Kevin
[MBZ] hard fuel return line leak, how to fix?
My 87 300TD has a leak in what I assume to be the metal fuel return line (judging from the position it eventually connects to the tank). The leak appears to be under the clamp that holds the fuel lines to the rear of the car, just above and behind the rear axle. From what I can see those lines are one piece from way up front to the back. What's the normal mode for repair? Cut out a chunk and put a flare compression fitting in? Argh. Just what I need more time under the car.. ...Kevin '87 300TD 276.9k miles
Re: [MBZ] Removing the bumper cover on W124?
I asked about this a while back and only got one reply from a W123 owner. I don't remember the W123 wagon have the same type of bumper as a W124 wagon, so I figure I'd ask again. If anyone could give me some pointers before the weekend mechanic work starts, it would be greatly appreciated. ...Kevin Kevin J. Slater said: I have some minor rust issues that I want to deal with before fall/winter on my 87 300TD. I need to remove the bumper cover from the right rear fender well area. Any tips for the body work impaired?
Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
I had almost the same symtoms. I have records from the previous owner but it doesn't show when the trap was replaced. I had a bad temp sensor in car (plus other issues) and managed to overheat the engine on the way home one time. That was enough to start the process of coolant loss. I was only using the 300TD to go back and forth to the bus stop so I lived with it for a while, but the clouds of white smoke in the cool mornings were really getting outrageous and so I went out and found a #17 head. I think I paid $850 + shipping from TN to PA. And that was my cheapest find and it took a while to locate. I'd pay attention to what Dave's saying. He may be overly cautious on this one, but you don't want to have to find a head, take it from me. ...Kevin 87 300TD 277k miles Dave M. said: My 617 also likes to keep some pressure in the system when cold, but it's not the 15-20psi that I observed with the 603 cracked heads. I wouldn't worry about it on a 61x engine, or even 601/602, unless there are other symptoms. On a 603 however I'd be monitoring the situation very closely. Some of you may remember Justin Dobbs from a previous MB email list, who had the perssure syndrome and ignored it, as most people do. About a year later it started using coolant and then hydrolocked. I think he ended up getting a used engine to swap in, something about damage to the block surface (I forget though.) I think I heard of nearly a dozen failed heads in the past 18 months or so, from the email list and various MB web forums. FWIW, a brand new head is about $1600 (wholesale) from Rusty... less than half that for a good used #17 head. =) -dm -- Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:01:21 -0700 From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD! My '84 OM617 also maintains pressure in the cooling system for long periods, and it hasn't shown any signs of overheating or coolant loss to date. Until I observe some other signs of cooling system anomalies, I'll continue to happily drive both engine types like I stole em. MMMV unter Druck Casey Olympia, WA ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
what's a troll? Gabriel S. wrote: whats a subject? On 9/28/05, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't you guys put a SUBJECT in .??? Might encourage folks to look at what you have to say!! Just a short rant/request. Take care, Chuck Phoenix, AZ On Sep 28, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Donald Snook wrote: Harry wrote: Skip the 420 and 560, if I was going that far for my money I'd go all the way to a S500. Much nicer than a 560, more power and better fuel economy The S500 is a nice car, but I like the lines of the 420 and 560 much better than the new body. I think the 560 represents what a fantastic Mercedes used to be. What is chassis number for the S500 (the older one 92-?)? Is it the 140? Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have recieved this message in error, please delete it and notify me. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net why ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=- ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] zero oil pressure this am..
I was getting ready to back out of the garage this morning and for whatever reason I decided to watch the oil pressure gauge come up on my 87 300TD. It didn't. I thought maybe it was just slower to come alive than I remember. Popped the hood and didn't see or hear anything odd. Popped the oil fill cap and didn't see the normal amount of blowby. Shutdown the engine. I did do some work on checking the wiring to the aux fan, maybe I managed to knock the oil pressure sender line out of whack? What else should I start checking? ...Kevin 87 300TD 277k mi
Re: [MBZ] zero oil pressure this am..
right, but this is a W124 and uses a signal wire from a pressure sending unit on the driver's side of the oil pan. It's the first thing I'll check when I get time to look at the car properly. ...Kevin Mike Canfield wrote: If it is like my 123's the oil pressure is a line rather than a wireIf it were disconnected you would know about it in short order from the oil squirting out of the line or fittings.Mike - Original Message - From: Kevin J. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:56 AM Subject: [MBZ] zero oil pressure this am.. I was getting ready to back out of the garage this morning and for whatever reason I decided to watch the oil pressure gauge come up on my 87 300TD. It didn't. I thought maybe it was just slower to come alive than I remember. Popped the hood and didn't see or hear anything odd. Popped the oil fill cap and didn't see the normal amount of blowby. Shutdown the engine. I did do some work on checking the wiring to the aux fan, maybe I managed to knock the oil pressure sender line out of whack? What else should I start checking? ...Kevin 87 300TD 277k mi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] zero oil pressure this am..
Looks like I'm stuck on stupid this morning. The oil level sender is in the oil pan and has a wire. The oil pressure sender is on the bottom of the oil filter canister. ...Kevin Mike Canfield wrote: CoolHope it's just a wire knocked loose then.Mike - Original Message - From: Kevin J. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] zero oil pressure this am.. right, but this is a W124 and uses a signal wire from a pressure sending unit on the driver's side of the oil pan. It's the first thing I'll check when I get time to look at the car properly. ...Kevin Mike Canfield wrote: If it is like my 123's the oil pressure is a line rather than a wireIf it were disconnected you would know about it in short order from the oil squirting out of the line or fittings.Mike - Original Message - From: Kevin J. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:56 AM Subject: [MBZ] zero oil pressure this am.. I was getting ready to back out of the garage this morning and for whatever reason I decided to watch the oil pressure gauge come up on my 87 300TD. It didn't. I thought maybe it was just slower to come alive than I remember. Popped the hood and didn't see or hear anything odd. Popped the oil fill cap and didn't see the normal amount of blowby. Shutdown the engine. I did do some work on checking the wiring to the aux fan, maybe I managed to knock the oil pressure sender line out of whack? What else should I start checking? ...Kevin 87 300TD 277k mi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Booth Cold Method (BCM) and the OM603
Mine isn't very accurate. Shows low even when the level is right between the add and full marks. Marshall says that sometimes Mobil 1 will bring a flaky sender back around after a while. I replaced the one in the 300E to get it back into proper order. Probably do the same with the 300TD sooner or later. ...Kevin 87 300TD 277k mi Christopher McCann wrote: Herr Doktor, You will recall the BCM is checking Mobil 1 oil level after the car has sat for at least 8 hours (cooled down)...was that advice JUST for the OM617 or does it also apply to the OM603? How reliable, in general, is the oil level indicator in the 87 300TD? Thanks! Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 149K miles, Rotkäppchen -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, The Van - FOR SALE $6500 (and that's a good deal). __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] zero oil pressure this am..
Marshall Booth wrote: Kevin J. Slater wrote: I was getting ready to back out of the garage this morning and for whatever reason I decided to watch the oil pressure gauge come up on my 87 300TD. It didn't. I thought maybe it was just slower to come alive than I remember. Popped the hood and didn't see or hear anything odd. Popped the oil fill cap and didn't see the normal amount of blowby. Shutdown the engine. I did do some work on checking the wiring to the aux fan, maybe I managed to knock the oil pressure sender line out of whack? What else should I start checking? The electrical oil pressure sender on the bottom of the oil filter housing measures the pressure. IF the sender opens (electrically) or the wire fall off, pressure reads maximum (even with then engine off) whenever the ignition key is turned on! If the sender (or wiring to it) shorts, the pressure read zero (no matter what). It is VERY unlikely that you have zero oil pressure, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE. Until you measure the resistance of the sender (it should read about 10 ohms with NO pressure and jump to about 185 at 3 bar pressure) I would NOT run the engine for more than a moment or two at a time. The circuit is described in section 54-0254 of the manual/CD and is powered (along with the fuel and coolant temp gauges) by fuse 5. A displaced rubber seal inside the oil filter CAN result in LOW (but seldom NO) oil pressure. A stuck over pressure valve (there's one in the oil filter and one at the oil pump) can result in low to very low oil pressure (but seldom ZERO). This is rather rare, but I can recall maybe half a dozen reports (out of about half a million total reports received) of this in the last 10+ years. Driving with either of these conditions CAN destroy the engine. Marshall Marshall, thanks for the reply. DON'T add this report to the list of zero oil pressure. Turns out that operator of the vehicle in a fog/haze caused by rushing out the door at 0'dark thirty read the wrong instrument. Oil pressure is in bar on this vehicle not psi.. Enough said.. ...Kevin 87 300TD 277k mi
Re: [MBZ] 80 240D For Sale Cheap
Larry,
I might be interested. I'll be needing something for my 15 y/o son to
drive in the next 2 or 3 months and this would fit the bill. What is the
condition of the body?
...Kevin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
You wrote:Not to be a pessimist, but idf all it needed was a new battery
they would
have bought one for $50 at Advance Auto. The cynic in me says no start =
low
compreession = tired engine.
You may be right, but the story I was told was the owner was leaving for
Germany post haste didn't/couldn't take the time to get a battery
install it or have the car taken somwhere fixed. Also, at $500, the
parts
would be worth more than that - although the trouble to sell stuff may not
make it worthwhile. But that's my laziness speaking ;-)
But I've had a couple of people express interest - maybe we'll find out --
Actually I would have bought it myself but I hardly drive my 78 240D
enough
to justify keeping it...
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 78 240D)
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[MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?
I need to replace our people mover 1992 Pontiac Transport van. (Only has 178k miles, but it's getting tired for my beleagured wife.) We need seating for 6 people and it would be nice if it could tow our popup camper (about 2200 lbs loaded). So we're looking at Chevy Trailblazers, etc. I got to wondering, how hard would it be to swap out their inline 4.2l 6 and drop in a 2.7l turbo diesel from MB? I realize this is completely pie in the sky, but it's a combo that I could live with! ...Kevin 87 300TD 278k mi
Re: [MBZ] something fishy with this
I scanned the referenced url story, but I didn't see anything directly related to the price if diesel rising. Usually, the reason that's given for the price of diesel rising in the fall is the increase in use of home heating oil in the north east. (I was just up at my sister's in Boston and I noticed the level in her tank was about 2/5ths. I asked her about it and she noted that they hadn't filled it for the winter yet, but I'll bet they've been thinking about it.) George Gregory wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5612507/ ___ GG - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 1:53 PM Subject: [MBZ] something fishy with this Gas went from 2.39 to 2.29 today, diesel went from 2.94 to 2.99, WTF? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Torsion Bar Bracket
I had a failure of one of my front swaybar brackets. Not sure that it wasn't damage from the previous owner, but it finally failed when I owned the car. ...Kevin 87 300TD 278k mi Marshall Booth said: frederick w moir wrote: Hi, All. Question:- On my '87 190Dt the left front torsion bar bracket fractured, signalled by an odd and intermittent clunking up front. This car has been in an accident (front) and repaired, though the clunk started only recently. Is this a common event or is this more likely the result of the previous accident? Enquiring idiot want's to know. TIA Torsion bar failures are rare except from accident or occasionally after 20 years from rust in earlier models. I've not had any problems in any of my 201s and reports of such failures (except for bushings requiring replacement - especially in early 124s) are very rare. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] new fuel record
For once I'm feeling fortunate to be in Western PA and shopping diesel. I can get it for 2.999 or 2.959 at a couple of places within a few miles of home. Regular gasoline is coming in at about 2.499 at the same stations. ...Kevin 87 300TD 277k mi Ron Dwelle said: New record here in Michigan. Today, diesel was $1.20/gallon higher than regular gas--$3.499 for diesel and $2.299 for regular unleaded. Ron Dwelle (feeling ripped off) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] 240D for sale (still)
Would also be a suitable first car for my son. Sounds like better
condition than the one Gregg mentioned a few hours ago, but automatic
(even better, it'll be slower still!).
...Kevin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Sorry- the first attempt didn't work right - ;-\
Howdy -
Spoke to my friend and he says the 240D is still there - I sent this out
on
a weekend before and maybe everyine didn't see it - Sorry about the repeat
but we'd really like to see someone get this who will get some use from
it.
A friend has a '80 240D with about 150k miles on it located in
Richmond Va
he'd like to get sell. He bought it for his daughter who drove it
for
several years before buying something else and selling it to a
neighbor.
The car was driven until several months ago when it wouldn;t start
and the
owner left it in the driveway needing a battery we think. The owner
moved
to Germany and didn't want to spend $100 on a new battery. The title
has
been signed and will not be a problem.
The car is light yellow with tan interior (IIRC) - auto trans, manual
windows, -
fast glow plug kit and was serviced by the book until it failed to
start.
The engine smokes slightly at startup but runs well and the AT shifts
fine.
If interested, send me a note directly and I'll provide a phone
number.
He wants to get $500 for it. Would be an excellent driver or parts
car.
It's
such a nice car I'd really like someone to buy it drive it instead
of
parting it out
but what happens, happens. ;-)
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 78 240D)
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Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis
I think if you re-read what you wrote about the person in the original report, and couple that with your obvious ignorance about the Mercedes Roadside Assistance program, then you could understand why Luther would be prompted to use strong language to attract your attention. Also, this Mercedes ownership journey we're on is a fellowship. Perhaps Luther feels that when you offend someone else in the fellowship, you offend him? (Not trying to put words in your mouth Luther.) ...Kevin 87 300TD 277k mi Gabriel S. said: Wow, i don't remember ever personally offending you. On 10/28/05, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YOU IDIOT! This is not about free service for driver error! This is about Mercedes corporate guaranteeing several free items. 5 gallons of fuel, a free jump start, free roadside battery replacement (you pay for the battery). This is purely as a thank you for being a loyal MBZ owner. You totally missed the whole point of his post Think on that for a while. -Original Message- From: Gabriel S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 28, 2005 11:16 AM To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis there were a few contributing factors to my running out of fuel, not all of which were my fault If you run out of fuel on the side of the road I feel that it is completely your fault and once again, you should be fined for being on the side of the road due to that. You should be fined on an hourly basis for creating *UNNECESSARY LOSS* because of your poor judgement. There is *absolutely no* reason for running out of fuel other than negligence and stupidity on the drivers side. *NONE*. Imagine airplane pilots just running out of fuel due to things ...no all of which were my fault *MORON*. On top of that he expects Mercedes to bail him out of this situation for *FREE?* This guy needs to wake up and smell the fresh coffee, if Mercedes is willing to help out, than fine, but if they don't, who the hell is he complaining? There are no free rides! Both the tow company and Mercedes Benz are in the business to make money. What an F'ing loser! I don't know where he's from, but around here if you want a service, you have to pay for it, that's what AAA is for, you pay and they *have to* tow. I suspect this is the type of person who goes to McDonald's and takes back food because it isn't 3 minutes fresh or is on welfare. I have to admit, I myself ran out of gas once but I do acknowledge that it was 100% my fault and would have never expected for someone to bail me out of it for free or complain about someone who didn't do it for free. Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix) '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=- ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] Cracked #17 head!? (was: Portland wagon)
Hmmm. I think I'll keep my old #14 head that I swapped out for my current used #17 head. If the #17 starts behaving like it's kaput, I'll go get some of that aluminum welding/brazing rod and attempt a repair. The dudes at the company that sells the stuff figured it would be good for 1200 degrees F anyway. ...Kevin 87 300TD 278k mi, #17 head Alex Chamberlain said: On 11/5/05, Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow - that's one of the first, if not THE first, cracked #17 head that I've heard of. Could you give us any more details? How it happened, where the crack was (beteween valves or valve to prechamber), etc? Good question where the crack was. I never saw the failed head---all the work was done by my indy (MBI Motors in Portland, a very well-respected shop, and I trust them that it really was a cracked head and not just a blown gasket). Sig, the shop foreman there, said that it was not the first post-#14 cracked 603 head he'd seen, either. I am seeing him tomorrow (for unrelated issues), so can ask him for details then. BTW, this was the very same 300D that you had posted about two years or so ago---the white one for sale in Sacramento with lots of suspension work, good paint, cold AC, etc. It was in great shape when I got it (and still is!), and I bought it partly because it had the #17 head and was showing no sign of cooling problems. After a few months it began to show occasional mysterious coolant loss but no other symptoms of note before the head failed catastrophically earlier this year (suddenly overheating and staying that way when driven more than a few hundred feet at a time---just enough to get it on a tow truck and to my indy). :( All better now with the brand new #22 head, of course---hopefully for good. Alex Chamberlain expensive but worth it '87 300D Turbo ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] 124 parts needed Deer vs Benz battle to a 27-49 end
I thought the rule of thumb was, if it's lower than the hood, run it over and if it's over the hood try to avoid it. Obviously, if there's no room or if there are obstacles in the way, you have to plow into the creature. I've got a new driver coming on line and 3 more to follow and that's what I plan to teach them. And no, I don't subscribe to the theory that people are too stupid to learn proper driving techniques (like our 3rd political party, the bureaucrats do). It's a matter of training and thinking when you find yourself in a bad situation. ...Kevin 87 300TD 278k mi Mike Canfield said: I have seen the same thing done to miss deer around here.What idiots! Mike - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes mailing list' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 parts needed Deer vs Benz battle to a 27-49 end True story. A lady I used to work with swerved to avoid a rabbit had a head on collision with a mini-van. She justified her actions by stating that She did not want to hurt the poor rabbit. Fortunately, no one was seriously hurt, except for the poor rabbit. She hit the rabbit anyway! I wasn't at the scene of the crime but others told me that She picked up the poor rabbit and cried. I threatened to paint small rabbits down the side of Her car and the conversation went down hill from there. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Brodbeck Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 11:57 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 parts needed Deer vs Benz battle to a 27-49 end Loren Faeth wrote: The state has been blasting out ads to ruin your car, don't swerve in an attempt to lower the population they refuse to let people shoot, except in limited circumstances. The reason they tell people not to swerve is because most people have trouble maitaining control of their cars in sudden swerving maneuvers. Hitting a deer is rarely lethal, but people *do* get killed when they try to avoid a deer and hit a tree or telephone pole instead. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] Columbus CL 240D
I'm in the market for a w123 for my almost licensed son. Columbus is an easy enough drive. If you could have a look for us, that would be great! ...Kevin Sunil Hari said: does anyone want me to take a look at this car? On 1/18/06, Brian Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sort of contradictory to say that the engine needed replacing after 150k, but these engines run forever. I ran into this claim about my 240D when I bought it. What up??? Brian 83 240D From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Columbus CL 240D Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:55:32 -0500 Rick Knoble wrote: http://columbus.craigslist.org/car/126140059.html Hey Sunil! What is that, parchment seats and palamino door panels? ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] Sprinter Registration...
My bet would be it would be registered as it was sold originally, Dodge, Freightliner or Mercedes; but Mercedes isn't selling them in the US, right? The do-dads are just that, external emblems. You don't think all those boy-racers that put a big R in their Civic's back window get to register them as Acura's, do you? ;-) ...Kevin Christopher McCann said: So does a Sprinter get registered as a Dodge, Freightliner or Merc? What if all the Dodge do-dads are gone and replaced with stars? (kit's about $250, grille, badges, wheel caps, steering wheel emblem, everything) Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, Nanook -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 211K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] sun roof removal (W124)
Way cool Dave! My mom's 300E needs to have some sunroof work. It's a bit cockeyed in the lift position. I didn't want to tackle in the past given Marshall's prudent, dire warnings. But if you have pictures and with the expanded PDF instructions I might try it after all. ...Kevin Dave M. said: Hi Constantine, The funky looking Vise-Grip pliers are not really needed. They are to get the roof fully seated forward before tightening the bolts. The two little plastic install guides are needed, but they're cheap - $1 each. And, they take the place of the 'self-made' L-shaped pin mentioned in one of the procedures. I got the sunroof completely repaired, it works GREAT now. Not nearly as hard as expected. The worst part is trying to disassemble it when it's frozen shut. Once you're past that, it's just a matter of following directions in the manual. I'll be posting more info shortly, with a bunch of photos. :) -Dave M. -- Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:27:02 -0500 From: Constantine N. Polites [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] sun roof removal Do you need the special tool ( illustrated) to perform the job? Constantine ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
[MBZ] OT: 190E questions
My son is itching to get a vehicle to cal his own. He has found a local guy selling an 1989 190E. What are things to look for and look out for. I wish it was a 190D, but it's a gasser. I had a 300E (1986) that was totalled (by a driver piling into someone who piled into me), so I know a bit about the M103. What were the engine options in a 190E in '89? Is this going to be a destroked M103 in this beast? Any advice or warnings appreciated. ...Kevin 87 300TD 282k mi
Re: [MBZ] Motor Oil Saver
Brother, YOU are on a ROLL this morning! ...Kevin Curt Raymond said: This is an oil thread, and you're doomed. I for one believe that most oil additives are snake oil. In fact most of them are just viscosity enhancers, you could do the same thing by moving to heavier oil. I don't think thats what this stuff is, I think this is a cleaner and seal rejuvenator. I agree with an earlier poster who speculated that Rusty had gummed up rings. Maybe this stuff helped loosen them up. Most people don't use Mobil 1 because its expensive and they have no idea how long they can run it to recoup the extra cost. Most people have no idea about oil analysis and the advantages of having their oil tested for a variety of reasons other than just extended oil changes. Quite frankly most people are idiots. Think for a second about how dumb average American is and then remember that half the people are dumber than that... Then remember that we're all dumb about something and you realize its amazing that the world has gone on this long. -Curt Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:41:08 -0700 From: Brian Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor Oil Saver To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed You know, I gotta say that I have long wondered if I should be using one of these oil additives. They sound so great. (Like ProLong, Slick 50, and the like. There's one that I'm forgetting, the infomercial for which I just love - has me convinced ever time). I just wish I could try them out on someone else's vehicle. Seems like there has to be a catch. Sort of like switching to Mobil 1. It's like, if it was so beneficial, why isn't everyone doing it? My wife's Honda CRV makes tapping noises every time it's started up. Makes me want to have something in there to keep things coated. And if I could extend the life of my old cars, I'd sure do it. Just wonder about the side effects, e.g. you put this stuff in your engine or tranny and half a year later something goes caput, leaving you to wonder if it would've happened had you not made that choice. Note: this is technically not an oil thread, so I cannot be excommunicated. Brian 83 240D - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
[MBZ] 1996 300D for sale in Pittsburgh area..
Saw an ad by a private(?) owner in the (PG) Sunday classifieds for a 1996 300D. I think the asking price was under 9k. I can get the phone number and the specifics if anyone likes. ...Kevin 87 300TD 280k mi
[MBZ] 240D engine is REALLY *LOUD*..
My son sent me an instant message yesterday saying the 240D was trailing some blue smoke and smelled like it was burning oil. When I got home last night I started it up and popped the hood. Engine is running a lot louder than it had been. It was night, so it's hard to be definitive but it did seem to be spewing a little more smoke than normal and it did smell of burning oil. The oil level (I checked it before I started after the car sat on the flat for 7 hours) was down a bit from where it was when I brought the level back up a few days back. We checked under the air filter and there wasn't much oil sitting there, so I don't think that's the culprit. I did notice pretty significant blow-by when I pulled the oil fill cap while the engine was running at fast idle. So I have more smoke, some oil smell in the exhaust, lower oil level on the dipstick, more noise - almost like a loud rap, and lots of cam oil pressure. Any thoughts? Could it be as simple as a valve nut that wasn't tightened up enough and now has moved? The sound I'm hearing seems to be coming from a single piston - that is, it's regular but I don't think it happens every time a piston fires. ...Kevin (who'll be checking valve clearances tonight) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D engine is REALLY *LOUD*..
No. It idles about the same as it always has. It runs a little rough at startup, but that could be a number of things. Smooths out pretty quickly. ...Kevin On Thu, 10 Jan 2008, Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: #1 piston probably has a problem. Does it idle rough too? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Kevin J. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:43 PM Subject: [MBZ] 240D engine is REALLY *LOUD*.. My son sent me an instant message yesterday saying the 240D was trailing some blue smoke and smelled like it was burning oil. When I got home last night I started it up and popped the hood. Engine is running a lot louder than it had been. It was night, so it's hard to be definitive but it did seem to be spewing a little more smoke than normal and it did smell of burning oil. The oil level (I checked it before I started after the car sat on the flat for 7 hours) was down a bit from where it was when I brought the level back up a few days back. We checked under the air filter and there wasn't much oil sitting there, so I don't think that's the culprit. I did notice pretty significant blow-by when I pulled the oil fill cap while the engine was running at fast idle. So I have more smoke, some oil smell in the exhaust, lower oil level on the dipstick, more noise - almost like a loud rap, and lots of cam oil pressure. Any thoughts? Could it be as simple as a valve nut that wasn't tightened up enough and now has moved? The sound I'm hearing seems to be coming from a single piston - that is, it's regular but I don't think it happens every time a piston fires. ...Kevin (who'll be checking valve clearances tonight) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: anybody have the chevette pulling the trailer video?
Since it's Friday, does anyone have the link to that woefully over-worked compact car pulling the camping trailer up the mountain? I want to help my brother start the weekend laughing.. ...Kevin
Re: [MBZ] ethanol and biodiesel - waste of energy?
Cornell and Berkeley, those two bastions of conservative thought. ...Kevin Loren Faeth wrote: WHO funded the study? At 03:52 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ethanol_study ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals..
Folks, I have a question or two regarding the replacement of the stem seals on my 87 300TD's engine. From emails to/from Dave M. I gather that this is the problem causing my exhaust smoke when leaving from a stop with a warmed up engine. My question is: what exactly is happening to cause this smoke? I have the old #14 head from my vehicle that I can look at as a reference for any explanations. I took a couple of valves out last night and removed the stem seals. From my old head I can say that the valve guides on the intake side had less play than the ones from my exhaust side. Is this by design? I have no desire to even do the valve stem seals at this point and there's no way I'm removing the head (again), so I guess to some degree it doesn't matter how worn my current head's valve guides are. But I remain curious as to how likely a valve stem seal replacement job will be at reducing my neighbors distaste for my beloved diesel. ...Kevin '87 300TD 272k miles
Re: [MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals..
Peter, past emails traded with Dave M. (aka Spudboy) have led me to believe that it's either the guides or the seals. What I don't get is if it's a seal (or guide) problem, how does that lead to the puff of blue smoke at takeoff (and the generally burnt odor of the exhaust as well)? Peter Frederick wrote: Kevin: You can also get blue smoke on acceleration from a bad turbo, along with fairly sluggish performance. A puff of blue smoke on takeoff is probably valve guides or seals, but black is something else -- possibly late injection timing. Peter ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals..
Joe, a couple of things: 1) Looking at Dave's website and then looking at Rusty's site and comparing, it looks to me like the shop installed OEM seals in Dave's car, but used the ones for a M103 head rather than a OM603. Check it out and let me know if you concur. 2) I have a source that will rent me the real deal MB tool. I don't want to give up my source as I don't know that he would make the offer to just anyone. (Not that I'm anyone special to this chap..) ...Kevin Joe Knight wrote: I don't find anything directly relating to allowable 'play', Kevin, but the manual does stipulate that the allowable tolerance for the id of the exhaust guides is almost double that for the intakes. I do remember that Dave experienced very similar symptoms after installing a new head. Turned out this machinist had installed aftermkt seals and one of the exhaust valve seals hadn't been properly seated. Does seem slightly bizarre but it's difficult to argue with success. What have you come up with in the way of tools for valve removal/replacement? joe On 7/27/05, Kevin J. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, I have a question or two regarding the replacement of the stem seals on my 87 300TD's engine. From emails to/from Dave M. I gather that this is the problem causing my exhaust smoke when leaving from a stop with a warmed up engine. My question is: what exactly is happening to cause this smoke? I have the old #14 head from my vehicle that I can look at as a reference for any explanations. I took a couple of valves out last night and removed the stem seals. From my old head I can say that the valve guides on the intake side had less play than the ones from my exhaust side. Is this by design? I have no desire to even do the valve stem seals at this point and there's no way I'm removing the head (again), so I guess to some degree it doesn't matter how worn my current head's valve guides are. But I remain curious as to how likely a valve stem seal replacement job will be at reducing my neighbors distaste for my beloved diesel. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals..
Joe, leave the originals alone is just what I did. My #17 head was from a wrecker down in TN somewhere south of Nashville. I needed to get my car back on the road so I guess I took the shortcut of not even looking at the seals. It was Dave M that put me on to the consideration that they may be my blue smoke problem. The smoke only shows up on a warmed engine, after idling for a while and then starting off, it produces blue smoke. The exhaust odor isn't the normal diesel smell either. It has a burnt oil smell, but worse, maybe b/c of the Mobil 1? (Never burned that stuff so I don't know what it should smell like.) I did have the foresight to replace the bad hydraulic valve caps/lifters/whateverthey'recalled. In any case I still have the question of where is the oil actually going during this process that produces blue smoke? Is it leaking down into the combustion chamber and being ignited? Leaked into the exhaust manifold and vaporizing from the heat? Understanding that process and having a look at the old head would go a long way towards my confidence about tackling this job. ...Kevin Joe Knight said: On 7/28/05, Kevin J. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... 2) I have a source that will rent me the real deal MB tool. I don't want to give up my source as I don't know that he would make the offer to just anyone. (Not that I'm anyone special to this chap..) Good for you, Kevin. Color me green. ;) As for the seals, you may well be correct. Can you verify that the seals used in your new head are the right stuff and properly installed? With a used head that looked to be in good condition and w/o easy access to the valve tools, I might well have been tempted to leave the originals alone. ...Kevin 87 300TD 271k miles
Re: [MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals..
Oh great, sounds like I'll be getting the wrong ones then. Hursty or Rusty can one of you comment? Sku on my order was A8069-23971. ...Kevin Dave M. said: I looked up the part number for OM603 valve seals and ordered them (aftermarket) from Rusty wy back during the head replacement job. When I replaced them due to the smoking, I ordered the same part number from Rusty but this time specified OE dealer parts, and got the other style that time. If you look at the EPC, the original OM603 part was superceded and MB now specifies the same seal kit for both M103 and OM603 engines. =) +dm -- Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:42:10 -0400 From: Kevin J. Slater Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals.. Joe, a couple of things: 1) Looking at Dave's website and then looking at Rusty's site and comparing, it looks to me like the shop installed OEM seals in Dave's car, but used the ones for a M103 head rather than a OM603. Check it out and let me know if you concur.
Re: [MBZ] OM603.960 question on valve stem seals..
Kevin wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 06:42:10AM -0400, Kevin J. Slater wrote: 1) Looking at Dave's website and then looking at Rusty's site and comparing, it looks to me like the shop installed OEM seals in Dave's car, but used the ones for a M103 head rather than a OM603. Check it out and let me know if you concur. FWIW, the receipt from the machine shop for valve seals has a 103 part number. I chatted with Rusty (nice new feature by the way) about this late this afternoon. He tells me that the only way Dave got different seals from him was because they still had some in inventory (somewhere). When I asked him whether I could get the same ones he said no chance. And went as far as saying if I go to the stealer, they'll give me the M103 versions and not the OM603 version that shows on Dave's site and on the WorldPac site too. Oh well, I guess I'll have to see what they fit like. Luckily I have a spare head with some valves still in place so I can at least get a clue as to whether they'll fit. ...Kevin (Slater - getting to be too many of us, Kevin's that is, although probably true for Slaters as well..) Mars, PA 87 300TD 272k miles
Re: [MBZ] Expedition opinion
Kevin wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 06:54:00PM -0400, Wilton Strickland wrote: Expedition = RBV (ridiculously big vehicle). Not really. If you have seven people and are towing a trailer, expeditions are actually on the small size. If it's just you, and you're still towing a trailer, it still might be on the small size. The expedition I drove was certainly on the small size for the last three trailers I pulled. The project truck (88 chevy crew cab dually 4x4) and the backup tow rig (85 F350 crew cab dually) both dwarf the expedition. Even the infamous powerchoke (96 F250 extra cab 4x4) is noticeably larger than an expedition. The catch is that it is a teense ridiculous for someone who doesn't have to deal with a trailer, and instead has to take their two kids to school, and that's it. As I understand it, this one will be used to move a load of kids, a boat on a trailer, an ice house in the winter and whatever else my resourceful brother can drag behind it. I'm not buying one, but I have different needs and concerns. I don't really care if this thread goes into the SUV / anti SUV discussion, I really was just looking for some opinions on whether this was a ticking timebomb or rather something that could be serviceable. Thanks to all who've taken time to respond. ...Kevin
Re: [MBZ] Pictures from Gary
Pretty nice looking car. The rust is getting started in a few places, but other than that it seems to be in good shape. I can't recall from the original posting; is the mileage accurate? I'd seriously consider it for my 15 y/o son, but I think it's too spendy for us. ...Kevin Gary Schisler wrote: Pictures for you! View http://share.shutterfly.com/action/welcome?sid=9AZuGjZk3cuLg Pictures from Gary Schisler http://share.shutterfly.com/action/welcome?sid=9AZuGjZk3cuLg I have included a Shutterfly website with a handfull of photos taken recently of my 79 240D. If th ... more #more *From*: Gary Schisler View album http://share.shutterfly.com/action/welcome?sid=9AZuGjZk3cuLg (1 of 38 pictures) I have included a Shutterfly website with a handfull of photos taken recently of my 79 240D. If this doesn't work, email me off-list and I will email you the photos. *View album* http://share.shutterfly.com/action/welcome?sid=9AZuGjZk3cuLg Sign up -- Get 15 FREE 4x6 prints http://www.shutterfly.com/jump/sign_up_os.jsp?cid=SHAR2NSSUSUM If the ‘View album’ button doesn’t work, copy and paste this link into your browser: http://share.shutterfly.com/action/welcome?sid=9AZuGjZk3cuLg Questions? http://www.shutterfly.com/support/form8.jsp ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] eBay #4567424013 my 240D
Gary, good luck on the auction. I hope it goes well for you. Looks like the car I should be buying for my 15 3/4 y/o son, but the wife wouldn't see eye-to-eye with me on it and I don't want to use the political capital required to win the decision. IYKWIM. ;-) ...Kevin 87 300TD 275.8k mi Schisler, Gary said: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-1979-Mercedes-24 0D-diesel_W0QQitemZ4567424013QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Listing my 79 240D on eBay. Come one, come all. Bid high! ;) Gary ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] SLR vs E55 video
Happened to catch a british car show on one of the Discovery channels (not sure which one). They drove an SLR pretty hard around a track. Their test driver set a new lap record, besting a Porsche GT3 by 1 1/2 seconds. (20 vs 21.5 or so). The sound from the cockpit when he wound that badboy out were incredible. Not on par with that supercharged 16 cylinder formula one motor from the 50/60's, but close. ...Kevin Dave M. said: Warning - 20MB file: http://www.err0neous.org/mbz/slrvideo4.wmv You just know how fast that SLR Mclaren is when you see it totally annihilated a car with 476bhp...! E55 AMG 5439 cc V8 476 bhp @ 516.3 ft lbs 0-60 4.6sec 155mph (governed) Price - $78,550 SLR McLaren == 5438 cc 90 Degree AMG V8 626.0 BHP @ 575.3 ft lbs 0-60 3.8 207mph Price - $535,281 :-) -- Dave M. Boise, ID 1994 E500 - 94kmi (Q-ship) 1987 300D - 258kmi (Sportline) ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] eBay #4567424013 my 240D
If You Know What I Mean IYKWIM Schisler, Gary said: Yep, IYKWIM is what someone put in their signature line. Sort of like LOL, laughing out loud and ROFL, rolling on the floor laughing, but I didn't know what was. So, I posted it here hoping the author or anyone else could enlighten me. ;) Gary huh? Schisler, Gary wrote: IYKWIM ??? ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] 300E head removal
I guess that depends on how much mechanical ability you feel you have. It's not a simple job, but it's not all that difficult either. I pulled did mine (popped a head gasket) and had a shop clean and check it. It took me a good while, but I had other wheels to drive at the time so I wasn't in a hurry. Redoing the valve guides on M103 Mercedes heads is supposedly a bit tricky. I'd make sure you have a shop lined up that has done them and is trusted. ...Kevin 86 300E (RIP) [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: My mechanic thinks the valve guides might be bad, and gave me a quote for a valve job. After I recovered, I started thinking about pulling the head myself. How big a job is this? It's a 1986 300E. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] One last question on blue smoke before I commit to the valve seals..
Marshall, I did as you suggested and disconnected the breather tube from the valve cover to the intake. Didn't seem to make a noticable difference. There does seem to be a fair amount of pressure under the valve cover though. More than I'd like to see and it could be a contributor. The head gasket was replaced when the #14 head was replaced by the used #17 head. I guess I could have screwed it up and I could be getting leaking past the area between the #1 cylinder and the oil passage next to the chain vault. I guess I'm still leaning towards the seals as being the culprit, although I'd love for it to be something else simpler and easier to fix! ...Kevin 87 300TD 275k mi. Marshall Booth said: Kevin J. Slater wrote: Folks, I figured I'd ask one last time before I commit to replacing the valve stem seals on my 300TD's OM603. To recap, the symptoms are: - Blue smoke when pulling away from a stop after the engine warms up. - Amount of smoke seems to grow with length of time spent idling. - Very little or no blue smoke during starting after sitting overnight. (I don't notice it when backing out of the garage/driveway.) - Off odor burning smell in the exhaust. (Keeps people off the bumper though!) Marshall and Dave M have both given invaluable input into the situation. What I'm wondering is, could this be something else? Some folks seem to mention the turbo; which may be easier to service than the replacing the stem seals with the head on the motor? Any input welcome and appreciated. ...Kevin 87 300TD 275.8k mi (and pissing off 'environmentalists' everywhere it goes..) The blue smoke could be from the valve stems/seals or any other point of access to the air ingested. This is a RARE symptom. I would disconnect the breather line from the valve cover to the air intake, do a few hard acceleration runs to clear out any possible oil accumulation in the air intake path and then see if the blue smoke is diminished. If there is NO change you can certainly try new seals as that seems to be the next logical step, but except for Dave's case (where the seal - perhaps an incorrect one - was improperly installed) new seals seldom corrects oil consumption problems on diesels. Still, the replacement of the seals DID cure Dave's problem. The VERY early stages of a blown head gasket (between the #1 cylinder and the oil passage next to the chain vault) can produce symptoms not unlike what you describe (the phrase, (o)ff odor burning smell in the exhaust describes the smell from the exhaust from my 601 engine with the blown head gasket). As it gets worse the smoke gets worse and whiter and oil consumption increases - mine reached a qt/200 miles before I finally replaced the head gasket! Are you SURE that the air filter and air intake is unrestricted?? When was the air cleaner changed? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] Something practical to combat high fuel prices
Yes, cartels (which is basically what's being suggested, a cartel of buyers of gasoline) work just great on the open market, just ask any decent economics professor. So let's think this through a bit. We're supposed to stop buying gas from Exxon and Mobil until the prices hit $1.30. Do the people that suggest such plans really think that people are going to wait around for the price to drop to the target? If the price that Exxon and Mobil charge drops $.10 below what the surrounding vendors are charging, do they REALLY believe that everyone won't switch over in droves?! What about if it was $.50 cheaper?! How many would hold out at that price? Think about it. ...Kevin andrew strasfogel said: I received this from a friend in NY today (slightly edited to reduce the length) WAR ON GAS/DIESEL PRICES Do you have a spark of rebellion in you? Would you like to start a modern day Boston Tea Party? THEN JOIN the RESISTANCE We are ALREADY close to $3.00 a gallon and it might go higher!! Want gasoline or diesel prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the don't buy gas on a certain day campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read it and join with us! By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market place not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. HOW? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the TWO BIGGEST COMPANIES (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. If each of us sends it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 do the same, it won't take long before millions of drivers have been contacted! Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
[MBZ] spin on filter interchangable from 87 300TD to 79 240D?
I have a need to replace the spin-on fuel filter in the 240D. I have one on hand that I must've ordered for my 87 300TD. Can anyone tell me if their interchangable between the 2 motors? ...Kevin
Re: [MBZ] local benz for sale
Sunil Hari said: Local guy selling a 1984 300D- says it has a tranny issue and a coked injector. If I buy it and part it out, who needs what? If the interior is brown (not sure the official name) we could use the front passenger side upper seat cover and the cover for the arm rest. ...Kevin
Re: [MBZ] Gutter moulding removal
I'd like the know the same thing. There are some screws on our W123, but I don't think these are the only thing holding it in place. Peter Merle said: How does the chrome gutter moulding come off on the W123's? I need to take it off due to the rust raising its ugly head there! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
[MBZ] Key / Starter / Starting woes 79 240D
Hopefully I can convey what I need to in a coherent manner such that I can get some advice on a set of interdepedent, related issues with our 240D. We bought the car used and got 1 regular key and 1 valet key. We have since managed to misplace the regular key leaving us with only the valet key. The keyswitch is a bit dicey and requires a touch to operate at times - I know from past reading that this needs to addressed sooner rather than later. At times the ignition switch stays in the 'energize starter' position. The solenoid seems to let go but you can hear the starter still spinning. (I saw my son completely remove the key this morning and the starter was still spinning.) At other times eventhough the key is in the 'energize starter' position the starter will kick out like you released the key. Obviously, in cold start situations in low temps this is not a good thing. So it would seem I need a new ignition keyswitch. But I also have the need for some new keys and I'd like to keep a single key for everything (ignition, doors, trunk, glove box). What are my options? ...Kevin 87 300TD 79 240D
[MBZ] OT: Mom's 87 300E hard starting puzzler..
I have a plea for the list. I'm trying to keep my Mom's 87 300E on the road and I only get word when things are bad. Recently she called to tell me that one day she went to start the car (was probably about 50 F that day) and it would turn over easily but it wouldn't catch and run. She stated that the day before all was fine and dandy. She managed to get it started and came down to my house. She was there for several hours and we went out to start it in my driveway. When you could get it to catch and run it ran very rough unless you took the tach up to about 1800 - 2000 rpms where upon it would smooth out. If you dropped it down into the 1000 rpm range, if you could keep it from stalling, it bucked and I could intermittently hear something like a backfiring sound through the air cleaner (I was standing outside the car). If you kept the engine in that higher rpm range for about 5 minutes until the coolant temp came up to about 60 C, then it would run pretty much normally at all rpm ranges. Once warmed up there was no loss of power or misfiring that I could detect. I checked the air filter and it seemed normal enough. Not sure what to check next. She did mention that her ABS light has come on now and doesn't go off. I could be connected or just a weird coincidence. She added fuel injector cleaner prior to coming down to my house (about 35 miles of highway). I thought about changing out the fuel filter, but that doesn't make sense in light of the improvement in running once warmed up. I would appreciate any ideas. The rest of the family is anxious to get her into some other car which she won't be able to afford and no doubt will turn out to be a death trap tin can. ...Kevin 79 240D 87 300TD
Re: [MBZ] OT: Mom's 87 300E hard starting puzzler..
Don, since the car will fire up and run given proper pedal input and cranking time, I'm leaning more towards a sensor. Even once it does start it takes a good couple of minutes about 1800 rpm (or else it will sputter and die) to warm up to the point where you can let the engine drop back towards idle. What you're describing would seem to point more at the starting difficulty, but we seem to have something more along the lines of timing or fuel management issues during start and for a while once running. The fact that it works after warming up might also point in the direction of a sensor - flaky when cold, but works better when warm. OK Don said: I'd check the cold start injector (when cold) to see that it is indeed squirting fuel. You remove it from the manifold, re-connect the fuel line and wire - hold it over a jar or something to collect the fuel (should it be working) - and have Mom crank the engine as if starting it. If fuel is coming out - that's not the problem. I'm writing all this on the blind assumption that the '87 CIS is very simliar to my '78 CIS injection system - YMMV. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] OT: Mom's 87 300E hard starting puzzler..
Mathieu, thanks for the pointers. I'm thinking you're correct in looking at the sensors. Makes sense from the perspective of something failing overnight (so to speak) and fits in with the symptoms going away after the engine has warmed up. You mentioned the temperature sensor for the fuel injection. I can't seem to find that specifically on Rusty's site although there are a few temp sensors listed for this car. Any chance you could be more specific or give me a pointer to find the correct one? Rusty / Hursty? ...Kevin Mathieu J.Cama said: Kevin, Things to check: Check the fuse on the top of the OVP relay. It is a 10 amp ATC fuse. This can cause hard starting when cold and explain the ABS light. It is a silver box relay, located near the battery with a fuse (red) on the top of it, iirc on a w124. Sometimes, the OVP will still have its clear plastic cover on the top. Temp sensor for the fuel injection.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Mom's 87 300E hard starting puzzler..
Mathieu, you nailed the problem. I pulled the OVP and it fell apart in my hands. My brother ordered a new one from Rusty and shipped it to my house. Dropped in the new one and it fixed the problem completely. ...Kevin Mathieu J.Cama said: Kevin, Things to check: Check the fuse on the top of the OVP relay. It is a 10 amp ATC fuse. This can cause hard starting when cold and explain the ABS light. It is a silver box relay, located near the battery with a fuse (red) on the top of it, iirc on a w124. Sometimes, the OVP will still have its clear plastic cover on the top. Temp sensor for the fuel injection. Ignition rotor and distributor cap, but this would cause poor running at all temps if things were really bad. Good luck, Mathieu On Apr 9, 2007, at 3:43 PM, Kevin J. Slater wrote: I have a plea for the list. I'm trying to keep my Mom's 87 300E on the road and I only get word when things are bad. Recently she called to tell me that one day she went to start the car (was probably about 50 F that day) and it would turn over easily but it wouldn't catch and run. She stated that the day before all was fine and dandy. She managed to get it started and came down to my house. She was there for several hours and we went out to start it in my driveway. When you could get it to catch and run it ran very rough unless you took the tach up to about 1800 - 2000 rpms where upon it would smooth out. If you dropped it down into the 1000 rpm range, if you could keep it from stalling, it bucked and I could intermittently hear something like a backfiring sound through the air cleaner (I was standing outside the car). If you kept the engine in that higher rpm range for about 5 minutes until the coolant temp came up to about 60 C, then it would run pretty much normally at all rpm ranges. Once warmed up there was no loss of power or misfiring that I could detect. I checked the air filter and it seemed normal enough. Not sure what to check next. She did mention that her ABS light has come on now and doesn't go off. I could be connected or just a weird coincidence. She added fuel injector cleaner prior to coming down to my house (about 35 miles of highway). I thought about changing out the fuel filter, but that doesn't make sense in light of the improvement in running once warmed up. I would appreciate any ideas. The rest of the family is anxious to get her into some other car which she won't be able to afford and no doubt will turn out to be a death trap tin can. ...Kevin 79 240D 87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
[MBZ] 79 240D blowing #1 fuse?
One of my other (non-mb) fleet vehicles conked out and thus I had an opportunity to drive the 240D again. I noticed that the glowplug light on the dash came on a few times during a short drive. Later that evening when headlights were required I noticed that the instrument panel lights were out. Sure enough the #1 fuse blew. This happened a few weeks back to my son. I didn't think anything about it at the time. When I went to replace the fuse, I noticed a white-ish coating on some of the copper supports for the end of the fuses which to me said there was some arcing going on under the fuse cover. I looked at the wiring for the glowplugs and I didn't see anything that looked like it might have shorted. Anyone have a clue what I should be looking for? I'm pretty sure that the glowplug light coming on and the fuse blowing are related, but I'm clueless as to how. ...Kevin 79 240D 160k miles
Re: [MBZ] 124 wagons by the score
Curt, isn't beantown your stomping ground? I know there is at least a couple of listers up that way. Someone want to have a look and see what the real scoop is? ...Kevin Curt Raymond said: http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/car/331061885.html Something fishy about this, but I'd be interested to know the real scoop. -Curt
Re: [MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist....
Gump is a 220D, right? We can't seem to break out of the 22 - 24 mpg range with out '79 240D. The driving isn't highway, more like secondary 2 lane roads with a 45 - 55 mph range for the limit. What do you get when you drive it around town? ...Kevin Redghost said: Gump uses excess gravity, astoglide, and a tail wind. She is able to get up to 31mpg. Not every day, but at speed for hours on end. On May 21, 2007, at 6:19 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i'm amazed by how many of these OM61x cars are advertised as getting 40+mpg per gallon. i've owned a number for them and have always been between 20 and 25mpg. maybe they are harnessing the power of magnetism or something like that? On 5/21/07, Tony Wirtel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 300SD: Rare Gas Saver that gets 45 MPG- don't miss the interior shots... http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/car/330303412.html Same guy jerked my chain on my former 300sd. Tony Wirtel -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
[MBZ] 79 240D A/C - where to start?
Our 240D has inoperable A/C (manual controls though). We did a quick check by starting the car and turning the A/C dial to high. Compressor didn't even attempt to kick in. Aux fan didn't start running either, but it does spin easily. Can someone give me a quick list of things to check to get started in diagnosing this? ...Kevin 1979 240D 161k mi 1987 300TD 262k mi (in the shop getting inspected)
Re: [MBZ] Question for list about 300TD fixer
87's? Or are we talking W123's? Kaleb C. Striplin said: Yea, it would have been worth 5-600, its WAY too much right now considering a guy has 2 of them he wants me to buy, $2500 for one and $3500 for the other. Both run and drive fine, one has a new head Allan Streib wrote: It's up to almost $1,300. I was thinking if I could get it for $500 it might have be worth sorting out all the problems, but it was past that price days ago. Allan -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
[MBZ] WIS part # lookup?
I need part numbers for some obscure items on my 1987 300TD: 1) The (plastic?) bushings that go where the gear selection pushrod connects to the transmission or the bottom of the gearshift lever 2) The boot that covers the bottom of the gearshift lever (under the gear selection gate in the center console) If anyone has this and could look them up, it would sure help me out. ...Kevin 79 240D - 179k mi 87 300TD - 287k mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W115 240D 4 Speed for sale in SouthWest PA
My wife spotted this car in a lot near Cranberry Township, PA. I went by and had a look. The car is in pretty good shape. There is a small amount of bubbling beneath the paint at the back of each wheel well. Paint is very nice overall, chrome is shiny and not pitted. 4 speed manual transmission. I didn't catch the mileage (forgot to look if you can believe it), but I do have a phone number should anyone be interested. And since I'm just down the road I'll even volunteer to check it out further if anyone wants me to. ...Kevin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 240D wheel question..
One of the items I need to take care of before I attempt to retrieve the '79 240D I've been looking at is a spare tire. There wasn't one in the trunk. This car has the wheels with the painted hubcaps (so cool looking) which I assume means steel wheels? I have a bundt cake wheel from my RIP 82 300D, does the W123 have the same issue with different length wheel bolts like the W124's do? ...Kevin 87 300TD 284k mi
Re: [MBZ] 240D wheel question..
Any chance the wheel bolts from my W124 alloys would work? ...Kevin Jim Cathey said: This car has the wheels with the painted hubcaps (so cool looking) which I assume means steel wheels? Yes. does the W123 have the same issue with different length wheel bolts like the W124's do? Yes. If you have an alloy spare you'll need a set of compatible longer bolts to go with it. -- Jim -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] Insurance rates and cheap living
Gerry, I'm right along that route if you want a place to stop for a bite to eat or whatever. (Depending on your timing.) I'm 25 minutes north of Pittsburgh and 10 minutes from I-79 on your way up to Erie and points north. ...Kevin 87 300TD 284k mi Curt Raymond said: Let us know if you come through MA. I've also got 85 acres of prime nothing in northern Maine you're welcome to check out if you'd like. -Curt Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:46:28 -0400 From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Insurance rates and cheap living To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Feel free to come and inspect our mountains in the Adirondack Region of NY, if the wind blows you that far off course. the Adirondack Park is comprised of 6,000,000 acres of public and private lands. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am Looked Adirondack Park up on an Eastern US map. That place is big and its way up there. It looks like that from Dave Gilmores place in W.Va I could go to Pittsburgh, take I-79 to Erie, and I-90 to I-87 which goes right through the Park. From there I'm guessing one could pick a route to Maine that would avoid heavy traffic nearer the coast. Never have been further north in New England than Boston. Thanks, Gerry __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
