[MBZ] OM606 Timing Chain Wear Measure
Dieselvolk, I'm trying to measure the timing chain wear on my '95 E300 (OM606). I cannot for the life of me find any marks on the camshaft at the #1 bearing tower. I've made this check on OM617 and OM603 engines, so I know what I'm looking for, but this OM606 has got me stumped. Anyone know the trick? There is a set of marks on the third cam bearing tower and the primary camshaft (two camshafts on this engine, remember), but they are not easily aligned for a precise measurement. When I line them up, it looks like timing chain wear is about 4 degrees. There's also a hole in the gear on the second camshaft, and that hole can be aligned with a hole in the #1 cam bearing tower. When I line that up, I measure about 10 degrees of wear! Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 320k miles '95 E300 274k miles project '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM606 Timing Chain Wear Measure
Answering my own post here. Searched the archives and found an exchange between Ned Kleinhenz and Marshall Booth, here's the key part below. Ned if you're still on this list, I'd like permission to also post this great tidbit on the MBCA forum and credit to your name. -Max -- Glad I took Marshall's advice and replicated the chain stretch measurement on my '95 E300D with the OM 606.910 engine. My first measurement on Saturday was 4 deg. The subsequent measurements, today, were 3 deg, 2 deg and 2.5 deg. Think I'll keep this chain and check it again in 30 or 50k miles. I discovered an important trick that other 606 engine owners may want to know - The cam can be indexed for #1 piston TDC by running a pin through holes that align the left cam gear and the front cam tower. One of the bolts that holds the cam cover on the head is the perfect size to use as this pin. This bolt will fit tightly enough that I estimate the bolt will only fit through both holes within 1/2 deg of crank rotation. When looking at the engine from the front of the car, correct crank rotation is clockwise. To measure chain stretch, you must approach the index postion only from the clockwise direction. Backing the crank off a fraction of a degee reverses the play in the chain and makes the measurement meaningless. Ned Kleinhenz '95 E300D x2 '85 300D '80 300TD --- -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:37 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OM606 Timing Chain Wear Measure Dieselvolk, I'm trying to measure the timing chain wear on my '95 E300 (OM606). I cannot for the life of me find any marks on the camshaft at the #1 bearing tower. I've made this check on OM617 and OM603 engines, so I know what I'm looking for, but this OM606 has got me stumped. Anyone know the trick? There is a set of marks on the third cam bearing tower and the primary camshaft (two camshafts on this engine, remember), but they are not easily aligned for a precise measurement. When I line them up, it looks like timing chain wear is about 4 degrees. There's also a hole in the gear on the second camshaft, and that hole can be aligned with a hole in the #1 cam bearing tower. When I line that up, I measure about 10 degrees of wear! Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 320k miles '95 E300 274k miles project '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] cold weather conspiracy?
Yesterday our household suffered two vehicle casualties. First SWMBO's car, a '96 Infiniti with about 200k miles, had the left rear caliper lock up while out and about in town. She recognized that something was wrong and handled it pretty well, but the tow company took about 2 hours to get her car towed to the tire brake place (Gerald's in Mount Pleasant) that was about 1 block away - rather frustrating. I had to leave work and assist to get her home so she could use the '87 300TD which has a child seat mounted (she needed to pick up our daughter from day care). I dropped her at the house and departed quickly to get back to work, but she called a few minutes later to report that the wagon wouldn't start - dead battery. I had to divert to the Infiniti location, retrieve that child car seat, pick the daughter and return to house, where I put the wagon's battery on the charger. Haven't had time to figure out the wagon yet - I suspect the trickle charger which I'd used on it for several weeks ago has failed. Infiniti needed a rebuilt rear caliper, which was done by 5 p.m. for $163. I'm sure I could have done that myself for less, but not by 5 p.m. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cold weather conspiracy?
If the wagon was fully ready for daily service (need all those suspension parts you just sent me plus four new tires) I would have had the car towed to our house so I could fix at leisure... Next time I certainly hope that will be the case! -Max From: Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, December 9, 2010 10:39:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold weather conspiracy? yeah, I have the caliper for $85.00 but it would have been a day away. Too bad. maybe next time. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz www.buyEUROparts.biz www.buyASIANparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 10:29 AM Subject: [MBZ] cold weather conspiracy? Yesterday our household suffered two vehicle casualties. First SWMBO's car, a '96 Infiniti with about 200k miles, had the left rear caliper lock up while out and about in town. She recognized that something was wrong and handled it pretty well, but the tow company took about 2 hours to get her car towed to the tire brake place (Gerald's in Mount Pleasant) that was about 1 block away - rather frustrating. I had to leave work and assist to get her home so she could use the '87 300TD which has a child seat mounted (she needed to pick up our daughter from day care). I dropped her at the house and departed quickly to get back to work, but she called a few minutes later to report that the wagon wouldn't start - dead battery. I had to divert to the Infiniti location, retrieve that child car seat, pick the daughter and return to house, where I put the wagon's battery on the charger. Haven't had time to figure out the wagon yet - I suspect the trickle charger which I'd used on it for several weeks ago has failed. Infiniti needed a rebuilt rear caliper, which was done by 5 p.m. for $163. I'm sure I could have done that myself for less, but not by 5 p.m. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ain't our old MBs great
I know for my SWMBO's Infiniti, the code is a fixed code from the transmitter, so theoretically the transmission could be listened to and copied, and the car would not know the difference. What does Snopes have to say -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 4:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ain't our old MBs great It does seem like it. I thought modern keyless entry systems used rotating codes so that even if you captured a code from one event it would be useless to try to replay it. Allan On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:09 -0500, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm I wonder if this is an urban MYTH. On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:49 PM, glenn brown g_010...@hotmail.com wrote: Forwarded from a friend: How to Lock Your Car and Why I locked my car. As I walked away I heard my car door unlock. I went back and locked my car again three times. Each time, as soon as I started to walk away, I would hear it unlock again!! Naturally alarmed, I looked around and there were two guys sitting in a car in the fire lane next to the store. They were obviously watching me intently, and there was no doubt they were somehow involved in this very weird situation. I quickly chucked the errand I was on, jumped in my car and sped away. I went straight to the police station, told them what had happened, and found out I was part of a new, and very successful, scheme being used to gain entry into cars. Two weeks later, my friend's son had a similar happening While traveling, my friend's son stopped at a roadside rest to use the bathroom. When he came out to his car less than 4-5 minutes later, someone had gotten into his car and stolen his cell phone, laptop computer, GPS navigator, briefcase.you name it. He called the police and since there were no signs of his car being broken into, the police told him he had been a victim of the latest robbery tactic -- there is a device that robbers are using now to clone your security code when you lock your doors on your car using your key-chain locking device.. They sit a distance away and watch for their next victim. They know you are going inside of the store, restaurant, or bathroom and that they now have a few minutes to steal and run. The police officer said to manually lock your car door-by hitting the lock button inside the car -- that way if there is someone sitting in a parking lot watching for their next victim, it will not be you. When you hit the lock button on your car upon exiting, it does not send the security code, but if you walk away and use the door lock on your key chain, it sends the code through the airwaves where it can be instantly stolen. This is very real. Be wisely aware of what you just read and please pass this note on. Look how many times we all lock our doors with our remote just to be sure we remembered to lock them -- and bingo, someone has our code...and whatever was in our car. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ain't our old MBs great
Snopes says it is mostly an urban myth - no confirmed police reports to substantiate. http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/lockcode.asp -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 4:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ain't our old MBs great It does seem like it. I thought modern keyless entry systems used rotating codes so that even if you captured a code from one event it would be useless to try to replay it. Allan On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:09 -0500, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm I wonder if this is an urban MYTH. On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:49 PM, glenn brown g_010...@hotmail.com wrote: Forwarded from a friend: How to Lock Your Car and Why I locked my car. As I walked away I heard my car door unlock. I went back and locked my car again three times. Each time, as soon as I started to walk away, I would hear it unlock again!! Naturally alarmed, I looked around and there were two guys sitting in a car in the fire lane next to the store. They were obviously watching me intently, and there was no doubt they were somehow involved in this very weird situation. I quickly chucked the errand I was on, jumped in my car and sped away. I went straight to the police station, told them what had happened, and found out I was part of a new, and very successful, scheme being used to gain entry into cars. Two weeks later, my friend's son had a similar happening While traveling, my friend's son stopped at a roadside rest to use the bathroom. When he came out to his car less than 4-5 minutes later, someone had gotten into his car and stolen his cell phone, laptop computer, GPS navigator, briefcase.you name it. He called the police and since there were no signs of his car being broken into, the police told him he had been a victim of the latest robbery tactic -- there is a device that robbers are using now to clone your security code when you lock your doors on your car using your key-chain locking device.. They sit a distance away and watch for their next victim. They know you are going inside of the store, restaurant, or bathroom and that they now have a few minutes to steal and run. The police officer said to manually lock your car door-by hitting the lock button inside the car -- that way if there is someone sitting in a parking lot watching for their next victim, it will not be you. When you hit the lock button on your car upon exiting, it does not send the security code, but if you walk away and use the door lock on your key chain, it sends the code through the airwaves where it can be instantly stolen. This is very real. Be wisely aware of what you just read and please pass this note on. Look how many times we all lock our doors with our remote just to be sure we remembered to lock them -- and bingo, someone has our code...and whatever was in our car. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ain't our old MBs great
Bob - you may want to submit your story to Snopes so that they can update their web page. http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/lockcode.asp -Max On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: Nope.it happened to me. I have FB pictures of my car getting fingerprinted. Stole everything out of the cabin and the trunk. Bob R On Dec 9, 2010 1:09 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm I wonder if this is an urban MYTH. On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:49 PM, glenn brown g_010...@hotmail.com wrote: Forwarded from a friend: How to Lock Your Car and Why I locked my car. As I walked away I heard my car door unlock. I went back and locked my car again three times. Each time, as soon as I started to walk away, I would hear it unlock again!! Naturally alarmed, I looked around and there were two guys sitting in a car in the fire lane next to the store. They were obviously watching me intently, and there was no doubt they were somehow involved in this very weird situation. I quickly chucked the errand I was on, jumped in my car and sped away. I went straight to the police station, told them what had happened, and found out I was part of a new, and very successful, scheme being used to gain entry into cars. Two weeks later, my friend's son had a similar happening While traveling, my friend's son stopped at a roadside rest to use the bathroom. When he came out to his car less than 4-5 minutes later, someone had gotten into his car and stolen his cell phone, laptop computer, GPS navigator, briefcase.you name it. He called the police and since there were no signs of his car being broken into, the police told him he had been a victim of the latest robbery tactic -- there is a device that robbers are using now to clone your security code when you lock your doors on your car using your key-chain locking device.. They sit a distance away and watch for their next victim. They know you are going inside of the store, restaurant, or bathroom and that they now have a few minutes to steal and run. The police officer said to manually lock your car door-by hitting the lock button inside the car -- that way if there is someone sitting in a parking lot watching for their next victim, it will not be you. When you hit the lock button on your car upon exiting, it does not send the security code, but if you walk away and use the door lock on your key chain, it sends the code through the airwaves where it can be instantly stolen. This is very real. Be wisely aware of what you just read and please pass this note on. Look how many times we all lock our doors with our remote just to be sure we remembered to lock them -- and bingo, someone has our code...and whatever was in our car. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Violent shudder
Sounds a lot like either flex disc or center carrier bearing mount or
something else in the drive shaft. 50k miles on an aftermarket flex disc is
a reasonable life if a little on the short side - did you get OE or OEM?
-Max
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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Ralph W
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 8:07 PM
To: Mercedes List
Subject: [MBZ] Violent shudder
Hello All,
Sorry for the long absence from the list. I haven't had much time for the
diesel fleet the last few years due to extended overseas work assignments. I
also moved recently and had to clear out the parts cars.
Things are back to normal now and I have started driving the old coupe again
('83 300CD). The car has developed a very violent shudder when accelerating
between 5 to 20 mph under a reasonable load. Above 20 mph everything is
smooth again. If I accelerate very slowly the shudder is also not
noticeable. It feels as if something is banging in the area of the center
console. The vehicle is currently at my Indy for a new exhaust system. That
has been installed and can be ruled out. The drive line was also overhauled
about 50k ago with the flex discs and driveshaft hanger bearing replaced.
Indy also put the vehicle up in the air and accelerated the engine and could
not reproduce the shudder so the engine has to be under load. The engine
mounts do not seem to be in too bad of shape but haven't been ruled out as
the cause. Indy has had numerous friends check the car out as they visit and
nobody has come up with a clearcut solution yet. Vehicle was also driven in
reverse at a fairly high speed without experiencing the condition.
Has anyone experienced this condition before? We are hoping to pinpoint the
cause before randomly starting to replace components. It's almost x-mas and
I'm trying to keep the finances in control.
Thanks in advance.
--
Ralph Wasserbaech
2001 E320 wagon
1983 300CD
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Re: [MBZ] Way OT -- Food disposer/composter
The house I grew up in had a grey water discharge (i.e. from the sinks, clothes washer, shower, and tub) that simply went down and out over a forested hill side, and a septic tank for the toilet. The grey water discharge must have been well designed, as it never blocked up in the Wisconsin winter time when the ground was frozen. I'll bet if your septic tank and field are large enough, they could handle the additional discharge of the sink disposer, if you routed all the rest of the grey water to a different drainage field. I've seen kitchen sinks with a smaller separate basin for the disposer, so normal water flow doesn't reach it without an effort. Your dishwasher discharge has some food scraps in it - where does that go now? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:06 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Way OT -- Food disposer/composter After the county inspector had finished his business at the house that I designed and built 32 years ago, I installed a disposer dumping into the septic tank with the rest of the stuff, but we still put the much greater percentage of compostable stuff in a compost bucket; most meats, etc., into haul-away garbage. 'Still do it that way on the city system. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 9:38 AM Subject: [MBZ] Way OT -- Food disposer/composter I am working on the new kitchen. We live out in the fringe and have a septic system, so no running a food disposer into it. I compost most of the veggie waste and such, but was thinking it would be convenient to cobble up some sort of sink disposer into some separate composting system -- just run a pipe directly from a separate disposer sink into this device. Since it might include meat scraps and such in the stream, it would be a somewhat different system from just putting the veggie scraps into the compost bin. Googling does not suggest any sort of solution (aside from doing what I do now), but it seems like there would be some sort of system that would take all that stuff and turn it into compost without anaerobic nastiness. The basic idea would be to make it fairly easy to dump stuff in the disposer and it goes into something that I could deal with at my leisure, and not be filling up a can by the sink with veggie stuff, and dumping other scraps in the garbage, and cleaning the sink strainer of nasty goop every now and then. Anyone know of any such system or would I have to figure it out? Or will it not work? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal
OK folks, check my work here. After rebuilding the calipers on my '95 E300, the service manual says to apply hard pressure to the brake pedal for a short period of time, and then check for evidence of leaks. When I did this test, no sign of any leakage, but the brake pedal slowly sank while I stood on the pedal. I think the master cylinder is probably bad. This car also has a very soft brake pedal feel compared to my '87 wagon; feels a lot more like the '72 Buick I used to drive in high school. I've bled the system with my pressure bleeder, and now it has new rotors and new Akebono ceramic pads at all four corners. All this work did little to improve the pedal feel (had Pagid pads on it when I got the car). The car stops just fine, but the pedal is too soft in my opinion. This car was driven by the PO with a failed vacuum pump, so maybe something was damaged by too much driving with no vacuum assist? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal
Peter - yes, a MC is definitely cheaper than no brakes! In John Muir's Idiots guide to keeping your Volkswagen ALIVE! he offered that the ability to stop is more important than the ability to go, a philosophy I subscribe to. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 4:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal If there is no fluid leak, the master cylinder is bad. Not a big job to replace, and not anywhere near as expensive and suddenly loosing your brakes all together! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal
Fred, That's my thought. Rusty's quote shows rebuild kit is not too much cheaper than a new MC, so I'll probably go that route. (sigh). The power steering pump is also leaking... -Max (with a very expensive cheap Mercedes) -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fred Moir Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 4:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal Max, et al. M/cyl bypassing its' seals. Rebuild or replace. Worse in the cold, seals not as flexible. Fred Moir Lynn MA On 12/10/2010 3:59 PM, Max Dillon wrote: OK folks, check my work here. After rebuilding the calipers on my '95 E300, the service manual says to apply hard pressure to the brake pedal for a short period of time, and then check for evidence of leaks. When I did this test, no sign of any leakage, but the brake pedal slowly sank while I stood on the pedal. I think the master cylinder is probably bad. This car also has a very soft brake pedal feel compared to my '87 wagon; feels a lot more like the '72 Buick I used to drive in high school. I've bled the system with my pressure bleeder, and now it has new rotors and new Akebono ceramic pads at all four corners. All this work did little to improve the pedal feel (had Pagid pads on it when I got the car). The car stops just fine, but the pedal is too soft in my opinion. This car was driven by the PO with a failed vacuum pump, so maybe something was damaged by too much driving with no vacuum assist? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal
Pete, Yes, here's to not falling into Dale E's wreck some category... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter T. Arnold Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 5:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal Sounds like an internal leak on M/C. O'haul or change it. Alternative, get a big surprise when going down a hill... -- Pete Arnold You win some, You loose some and You wreck some! -Dale Earnhardt- On 12/10/2010 3:59 PM, Max Dillon wrote: OK folks, check my work here. After rebuilding the calipers on my '95 E300, the service manual says to apply hard pressure to the brake pedal for a short period of time, and then check for evidence of leaks. When I did this test, no sign of any leakage, but the brake pedal slowly sank while I stood on the pedal. I think the master cylinder is probably bad. This car also has a very soft brake pedal feel compared to my '87 wagon; feels a lot more like the '72 Buick I used to drive in high school. I've bled the system with my pressure bleeder, and now it has new rotors and new Akebono ceramic pads at all four corners. All this work did little to improve the pedal feel (had Pagid pads on it when I got the car). The car stops just fine, but the pedal is too soft in my opinion. This car was driven by the PO with a failed vacuum pump, so maybe something was damaged by too much driving with no vacuum assist? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal
Greg, tell me more about this test for the power assist unit. Have Mity-vac! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Greg Fiorentino Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 5:06 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal A failed vacuum pump can damage the power assist unit. This can be easily tested with the Mity-Vac. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 1:00 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal OK folks, check my work here. After rebuilding the calipers on my '95 E300, the service manual says to apply hard pressure to the brake pedal for a short period of time, and then check for evidence of leaks. When I did this test, no sign of any leakage, but the brake pedal slowly sank while I stood on the pedal. I think the master cylinder is probably bad. This car also has a very soft brake pedal feel compared to my '87 wagon; feels a lot more like the '72 Buick I used to drive in high school. I've bled the system with my pressure bleeder, and now it has new rotors and new Akebono ceramic pads at all four corners. All this work did little to improve the pedal feel (had Pagid pads on it when I got the car). The car stops just fine, but the pedal is too soft in my opinion. This car was driven by the PO with a failed vacuum pump, so maybe something was damaged by too much driving with no vacuum assist? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal
Peter, No sign of loss of brake fluid from the reservoir, and the engine oil level is holding steady, so I don't think I'm in that condition yet... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 5:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal More to the point, a bad MC will fill the brake booster with brake fluid, which is a bad thing. I'm not sure I want brake fluid in the oil Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1987 Veggie Oil Mercedes - $600 (Centerville)
Peter, Road taxes depend on the state, I believe, and unfortunately some of them have changed tax code to allow waivers for folks who make their own fuel. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 5:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1987 Veggie Oil Mercedes - $600 (Centerville) Actually, it's pretty nasty in soil -- it will wash out and coat local waterways with a film that prevents oxygen getting into the water, making the waterway anaerobic and killing all the water creatures. On top of that, it's going to spoil and stink to high heaven for a couple years -- very poor air exchange in oil saturated soil, after all, so the anaerobic bugs will do the job. Think a rancid sewer line. Very bad. And yes, you do owe road taxes on all vehicle fuel, even if you make it yourself. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Worn suspension on my '87 wagon has killed the Continental ContiProContact tires after about 40k miles. I'm in the process of rebuilding rear suspension and installing new front struts, and I need to decide which replacement tires to get. Unfortunately Tire Rack had the latest version of the ContiProContact is on back order (195/65R15 in the 91H service rating), so I've spent some time looking for something else. Should I go with the 205/60 tires? It looks like there's more variety and lower prices for that profile tire. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal
Rich, OK, I can probably do that. Wouldn't it be similar to test the brake pedal before starting the engine to see if the power assist still works after the car has sat overnight? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 5:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal You can just put the Mityvac on the suction side of the booster, suck it down and see if it holds vac. If it doesn't then the diaphragm is bad. I replaced to MC on the TD, getting those line fittings back on the part was a nasty unpleasant job. They are pretty tight anyway with the lines being the way they are, and getting them lined up just right to get the fittings started can either take 10sec or 30min. While brake fluid is all over. Guess which they took... --R On 12/10/2010 5:48 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Greg, tell me more about this test for the power assist unit. Have Mity-vac! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Greg Fiorentino Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 5:06 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal A failed vacuum pump can damage the power assist unit. This can be easily tested with the Mity-Vac. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 1:00 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal OK folks, check my work here. After rebuilding the calipers on my '95 E300, the service manual says to apply hard pressure to the brake pedal for a short period of time, and then check for evidence of leaks. When I did this test, no sign of any leakage, but the brake pedal slowly sank while I stood on the pedal. I think the master cylinder is probably bad. This car also has a very soft brake pedal feel compared to my '87 wagon; feels a lot more like the '72 Buick I used to drive in high school. I've bled the system with my pressure bleeder, and now it has new rotors and new Akebono ceramic pads at all four corners. All this work did little to improve the pedal feel (had Pagid pads on it when I got the car). The car stops just fine, but the pedal is too soft in my opinion. This car was driven by the PO with a failed vacuum pump, so maybe something was damaged by too much driving with no vacuum assist? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] is this worth messing with
Kaleb, Looks to me like if you get this S320, you'd have paid $1200 and done a lot of work to make marginal improvements to a marginal car. I wouldn't do that - I'd sell the S500 or keep looking for a cheaper interior. What would the S500 be worth if you fixed everything but the paint? If you do get it, would those wheels fit on my '87 wagon? What size are they? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 7:01 PM To: mercedes Mailing List; Dave M. Subject: [MBZ] is this worth messing with I think I have asked this before but what is the list opinion, is this car worth messing with at $1200 and about 4 hours of time to go get? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=230541510629s sPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT It looks like the damage is probably going to be more than just swapping a fender, Im betting the metal behind the bolt on fender is also bent up. I have that 94 S500 I have been working on that has the cheap 2 tone vinyl seats I would love to get rid of, this car has a complete interior in the exact color i need. The S500 also needs tires, this car has new tires. Even if I take the parts off this car and put on the S500, it still has 200k miles, it still has some check engine light problems to track down, and it still has some clear coat peeling off the top. So is this car worth it? Do I use the parts to fix up the 500 a little, or do I just get rid of the 500 as it as break even on it? Am I talking to myself or just thinking out loud? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I cant even read this
im loosing to much money but its a grat deal How can you resist Kaleb?
-Max
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1987 Veggie Oil Mercedes - $600 (Centerville)
In WI the state used to prop up milk prices by purchasing from dairy farmers, and then had the milk made into cheese to distribute to welfare recipients and others who relied on state aid. One summer, one of the state cheese storage facilities in Madison caught fire; picture tons and tons of liquid burning cheese. The fire was tough to put out, and the area absolutely stank for weeks afterward. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1987 Veggie Oil Mercedes - $600 (Centerville) So are sewage and garbage, but I don't hear anyone recommending just dumping either and waiting for nature to take it's course! 1000 gal or so of rancid veg oil is going to STINK. That meets the definition of a noxious substance, hence the clean-up. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] EPC
Yes, you can have my copies, one of the euro and one of the North American version. They are REALLY fiddly and difficult to get working, and now the part numbers will be long out of date (I think my copies are from 2002 or so). Send me your address, and I'll mail you what I've got. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 9:19 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] EPC I recall the EPC being discussed here before. But I mostly just ignored it. But I think I care now. So is there a way to get, install, and use a version of EPC on a local computer thus making an internet connection un-necessary? Google's results are not being helpful, so I figure someone here would know all the answers. *grin* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
There is a General Altimax HP tire in 195/65R15 91H for only $66 per tire, but no test results to see objective data about how it stacks up... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 9:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Mitch Haley wrote: For $194 plus shipping/mounting, I'd be all over these if I needed tires and didn't see a lot of snow. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BridgestonetireModel=Poten za+RE960AS+Pole+Positionpartnum=965HR5RE960PPvehicleSearch=falsefromCompa re1=yestab=Survey This reminds me. I'm a bit slow here, but Mitch and his tire-hunting ability found me 205/70R14 General Altimax RT for my 123 TD. What makes these special is the 1635 lb (750 kg) load rating. I haul heavy in my wagon, and there seem to be few 14 inch tires made now with the higher load rating. I'm quite please with the tires. They ride well, handle wet roads well, seem to do fair in the little snow they've seen. Thanks Mitch! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal
OK, so to diagnose that condition, once I've got the MC off, I presume there is an opening to the booster through which I can test for presence of brake fluid? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:38 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:50:15 -0500 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Peter, No sign of loss of brake fluid from the reservoir, and the engine oil level is holding steady, so I don't think I'm in that condition yet... But you don't need enough brake fluid in the brake booster to cause it to be sucked into the engine to have enough brake fluid in the booster to ruin it. Craig -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 5:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal More to the point, a bad MC will fill the brake booster with brake fluid, which is a bad thing. I'm not sure I want brake fluid in the oil Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Craig -- Present:'94 E420117 kmi '82 240D/3.0264 kmi Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc '72 220D/8 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Loren, Can you tell me the exact model/size? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? I have similar BS Potenza tires on my 300D 124. They seem to grip well, but don't look like they will set records for long mileage, but I prefer grip over uber high mile tires the slip when wet and are worthless on snow and ice. I think they are a good all round choice for safety. For $194 plus shipping/mounting, I'd be all over these if I needed tires and didn't see a lot of snow. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BridgestonetireModel=Pote nza+RE960AS+Pole+Positionpartnum=965HR5RE960PPvehicleSearch=falsefromComp are1=yestab=Survey ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] EPC
Maybe what you really want is the parts book for your car(s)? The parts book has all the exploded diagrams found in the EPC showing all the parts, but no numbers, just a picture. Very useful at the Dealer parts counter. I have one for my wagon, will probably try to get one for my E300. The part numbers get superseded, so the number changes. If you tried to order the old part, I'll bet that Rusty or the dealer should be able to tell you the new part number rather easily. Some things like interior parts are NLA, but the EPC doesn't tell you that, Tom Hanson at the Classic Center is the ultimate authority for those parts. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] EPC Max Dillon wrote: Yes, you can have my copies, one of the euro and one of the North American version. They are REALLY fiddly and difficult to get working, and now the part numbers will be long out of date (I think my copies are from 2002 or so). Send me your address, and I'll mail you what I've got. Part numbers get out of date? Like part become unavailable, or are merged with other numbers, or superseded? Or do they actually change a number? I suspect that an old number is easier to cross-reference than description like the little seal like piece at the back of the shaft on the pump itself, on the inboard side of the drive coupler --Philip, now with two offers... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
So does anyone on this list run 205/60R15 tires on a 124? I'd like to stay with the factory rating, but I'm considering whatever trade-off may be required if I can save $100 or so. I suspect the trade-off will be in fuel consumption (worse), speedometer accuracy, and handling; I'd like to know more about the handling part. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? These 195 tires are getting to be a problem to find if my experience is any indication. And MBs seem to require a particular load rating due to the general heavy nature and handling requirements, which are even more difficult to find in a 195 (if you follow the rules) for these older cars. 205s seem easier to find for the application, I'm not sure that small difference will make much difference to anything noticeable, but I'm sure there is some aspect to that I am not aware of. --R On 12/10/2010 6:34 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Worn suspension on my '87 wagon has killed the Continental ContiProContact tires after about 40k miles. I'm in the process of rebuilding rear suspension and installing new front struts, and I need to decide which replacement tires to get. Unfortunately Tire Rack had the latest version of the ContiProContact is on back order (195/65R15 in the 91H service rating), so I've spent some time looking for something else. Should I go with the 205/60 tires? It looks like there's more variety and lower prices for that profile tire. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
I've been playing with the review sorting option for the General and the Potenza in 195/65R15, sorting on Mercedes owners, and find that many of the complainers have symptoms consistent with either no rotations, poor alignment, worn out suspension, or under inflation. The rest of the MB owners really like the tires, but many of those are newer cars which almost certainly means larger tires. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Max Dillon wrote: There is a General Altimax HP tire in 195/65R15 91H for only $66 per tire, but no test results to see objective data about how it stacks up... I have those on an Olds Achieva. Rated at 51psi, I keep them at least 40psi. Hmm, that gives me an idea. I blew them up to 51 last month, maybe I'll regain some snow traction if I drop them back to 40. If you run them on a Mercedes weight car at 30psi it will probably feel like you're driving on flat tires. I sorted the tire rack reviews lowest first, and most of what I see people complaining about could be explained by under inflation. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out
That is very disappointing. Some of the Asian car makers are offering superior roadside assistance compared to MB, and it also goes with the car regardless of owner. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 1:35 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out I got a letter from MBNA saying that they are expanding coverage by dropping the service for anyone who does not get their car regularly serviced at a MB stealership. If your car is under warranty, you are still covered. If you don't buy your car from a stealership you will never be covered. The MB Roadside Assistance was a cool thing. Now it is not. RIP MB Roadside Assistance. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] More W124 rear suspension rebuilding
Dieselvolk, This a.m. I dove into rebuilding the rear suspension on my '87 wagon. Started by pulling the spring link on the right side, and replaced the inner bushing using a piece of 3/8 acme threaded rod. Took about 2.5 hours to do that. Incidentally, the sleeve for the inner bushing is not tapered on this car like it was on my '95 E300. Replacement bushing is same part number as for the '95. The original bushing in this '87 300TD has a head at one end of the inner-most sleeve, which I had to cut off in order to get clearance to push the bushing out. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal
Thanks Fred. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fred Moir Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:30 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Symptom - sinking brake pedal Yup. Fred Moir Lynn MA On 12/11/2010 7:37 AM, Max Dillon wrote: OK, so to diagnose that condition, once I've got the MC off, I presume there is an opening to the booster through which I can test for presence of brake fluid? -Max Peter, No sign of loss of brake fluid from the reservoir, and the engine oil level is holding steady, so I don't think I'm in that condition yet... But you don't need enough brake fluid in the brake booster to cause it to be sucked into the engine to have enough brake fluid in the booster to ruin it. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price for December) -or- General Altimax HP ($264 for 4 tires). Methinks I'll go with the Bridgestone... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 9:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? I put 205s I got for the 126 on the front of the 300TD. THey did not rub, but they don't handl right and they don't look right. They won't help anything (except your wallet if you already own 205s) I do not recommend 205s on a 124. So does anyone on this list run 205/60R15 tires on a 124? I'd like to stay with the factory rating, but I'm considering whatever trade-off may be required if I can save $100 or so. I suspect the trade-off will be in fuel consumption (worse), speedometer accuracy, and handling; I'd like to know more about the handling part. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? These 195 tires are getting to be a problem to find if my experience is any indication. And MBs seem to require a particular load rating due to the general heavy nature and handling requirements, which are even more difficult to find in a 195 (if you follow the rules) for these older cars. 205s seem easier to find for the application, I'm not sure that small difference will make much difference to anything noticeable, but I'm sure there is some aspect to that I am not aware of. --R On 12/10/2010 6:34 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Worn suspension on my '87 wagon has killed the Continental ContiProContact tires after about 40k miles. I'm in the process of rebuilding rear suspension and installing new front struts, and I need to decide which replacement tires to get. Unfortunately Tire Rack had the latest version of the ContiProContact is on back order (195/65R15 in the 91H service rating), so I've spent some time looking for something else. Should I go with the 205/60 tires? It looks like there's more variety and lower prices for that profile tire. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Well, TireRack couldn't deliver the tires before early January, and I need them earlier. TireBuyer has them in stock for a higher price ($78) and no rebate, but free shipping, so I'll pay about $75 more but get a tire that looks decent. Better, TireBuyer will deliver them to my favorite tire/brake place, Geralds, while TireRack uses a different local installer that is OK but I really like Geralds. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 2:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Max Dillon wrote: OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price for December) -or- General Altimax HP ($264 for 4 tires). Methinks I'll go with the Bridgestone... I live where it snows, and there was a $50 rebate on the Altimax HP when I bought them. You live where it doesn't snow much and melts fast, and there's a $70 rebate on Michelin and Bridgestone right now. The Generals are ranked a bit higher in the snow, but the Bridgestones are the #3 tire in the 'ultra high performance all season' category, and the highest ranked UHP tire that's sold in 15. Yeah, I'd be all over those Bridgestones, if I lived in the Carolinas and I could wait for the backorder status. Or if I lived anywhere else and used a separate set of snow tires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
$264 - $70 December special rebate. Look closely - I missed it at first myself. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 4:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Where do you see those for $194, I see them at $264 on tirerack On 12/11/2010 1:33 PM, Max Dillon wrote: OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price for December) -or- General Altimax HP ($264 for 4 tires). Methinks I'll go with the Bridgestone... -Max -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Will let you know how it goes... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 4:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? I have never heard of tire buyer before, but I checked the Altimax HP, which I run on my 140SD and they are the same price as tirerack, but they have free shipping, so I would be saving about $70. Do they always have free shipping? Anybody used them before? On 12/11/2010 2:34 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Well, TireRack couldn't deliver the tires before early January, and I need them earlier. TireBuyer has them in stock for a higher price ($78) and no rebate, but free shipping, so I'll pay about $75 more but get a tire that looks decent. Better, TireBuyer will deliver them to my favorite tire/brake place, Geralds, while TireRack uses a different local installer that is OK but I really like Geralds. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 2:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Max Dillon wrote: OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price for December) -or- General Altimax HP ($264 for 4 tires). Methinks I'll go with the Bridgestone... I live where it snows, and there was a $50 rebate on the Altimax HP when I bought them. You live where it doesn't snow much and melts fast, and there's a $70 rebate on Michelin and Bridgestone right now. The Generals are ranked a bit higher in the snow, but the Bridgestones are the #3 tire in the 'ultra high performance all season' category, and the highest ranked UHP tire that's sold in 15. Yeah, I'd be all over those Bridgestones, if I lived in the Carolinas and I could wait for the backorder status. Or if I lived anywhere else and used a separate set of snow tires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 426/3305 - Release Date: 12/09/10 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out
Well, I guess that's helpful to keep folks in MBCA. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dimitri Seretakis Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 7:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] MBNA Cheaps out Apparently if you've been an MBCA member for at least twelve months prior to the initiation of this new policy which begins in January 2011 then you are still covered by roadside assistance. You have to currently be a member in good standing. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 11, 2010, at 6:18 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Well, I'll give you the other side. I've purchased two old MBs used from private owners. I've received MB roadside assistance on both (dead battery and a flat tire change). So, I didn't pay big bucks up front...I've let you other fellows do that and I've benefited from you wealth...thank you folks! Anyway, my point was again, that I need an alignment anyway, so I'll get it, which I need, get the free roadside assistance, and NOT pay AAA or Allstate or whoever for roadside assistance. But as always, everyone is free to make their own decision and choice. Best wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The E420 Lives!
Very Cool - thanks for sharing that trick! Now that I have a proper blue wrench, I can do neat stuff like this... -Max From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 1:25:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The E420 Lives! Craig wrote: I did not have the correct size of copper sealing rings for the banjo fittings, so I re-used the old ones. There is a slow weeping of gasoline from the lower banjo on the lower fuel pump. I got a new one of the smaller, check valve-to-pump copper sealing rings and installed that. Then I redid the banjo fitting and tried running the engine again. The torrent of gasoline had stopped, but the banjo fitting on the lower pump was weeping gasoline. After REALLY TIGHTENING that, the weeping stopped and I called it good. Reusing copper seal rings generally works fine _IF_ you anneal the copper before re-installing. Since copper work hardens, and hardens if it is heated and allowed to cool slowly (opposite of iron) then the process to anneal is to get it hot and cool it quickly. I learned this trick when working on light aircraft. 1. Fire up a propane torch (gas stove, ox-acetylene, etc) 2. Hold the ring in the flame. Don't use your fingers. :) I like using a wire 'cause it doesn't act as a heat sink and the ring heats up pretty evenly. 3. Once the copper reaches glowing red, quench it in water. (Be careful in sunlight. It can be harder to see the glow and its possible to make the copper molten.) Now the copper is full-soft and will easily conform to the sealing surfaces. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake line flush
I'd only use brake fluid; anything that doesn't move when you flush with brake fluid will not move once the system is back together. -Max From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, December 12, 2010 6:53:25 PM Subject: [MBZ] Brake line flush Actually, clutch line, not brake line this time - but I'm thinking about brakes too. So I'm about to replace the clutch master and slave cylinder (parts in route from Rusty). So while I have the cylinders off the line, I was thinking it could be a good idea to flush any rust, crud, etc. Any suggestions on a suitable fluid? Water? I'm concerned about getting it _all_ out before the real stuff goes back in. Brake fluid? Will it dissolve any of the crud? Denature alcohol? Acetone? Diesel/kerosene? Thoughts and suggestions welcome. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh Sh....
So what did you get? -Max From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, December 12, 2010 11:40:48 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oh Sh http://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/2108702727.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More W124 rear suspension rebuilding
Update: after about 15(!) hours I finished the job. Stopped twice to eat. I was rather sore on Sunday morning... Sad news for OK Don: the Sir Tools $100 bushing press did not survive unscathed. It worked great on the '95 car, but my '87 wagon proved to be made of firmer stuff (or perhaps rustier/older). The center bolt, with Acme threads, stripped while trying to pull out the old bushing. I finally figured out a way to use the HF ball joint C-clamp in combination with the ST press and got'er done, but probably lost a few hours messing around with that bushing alone. A new center bolt will make the tool usable again - have sent inquiry to seller to see if they can do a warranty replacement. I was also slowed down because I ordered one wrong strut - I was confused about the whole M10 vs. M12 issue and mis-matched the bolt kit vs. the strut. I think that for future reference, the proper thing to do is order all M12 stuff when replacing all the struts - the wheel carrier mounting points will accept the M12 but would need the sleeves for the M10 bolts. While figuring out the problem, I spent some time consulting the FSM and then my order vs. the EPC and found my mistake. New order to Rusty forthcoming; next side SHOULD go faster. Of note, the outer bushing for the spring link was totally shot; these joints have accordion rubber boots on each side, and the old joint had no rubber boots left and thus no grease but lots and lots of play. -Max From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sat, December 11, 2010 2:26:07 PM Subject: [MBZ] More W124 rear suspension rebuilding Dieselvolk, This a.m. I dove into rebuilding the rear suspension on my '87 wagon. Started by pulling the spring link on the right side, and replaced the inner bushing using a piece of 3/8 acme threaded rod. Took about 2.5 hours to do that. Incidentally, the sleeve for the inner bushing is not tapered on this car like it was on my '95 E300. Replacement bushing is same part number as for the '95. The original bushing in this '87 300TD has a head at one end of the inner-most sleeve, which I had to cut off in order to get clearance to push the bushing out. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] who wanted a 300D?
My theory is that the 124 wagons are more complex / more expensive to maintain and repair, but the owners for the most part are frugal (compared to average MB owner) and don't keep them up well so the end result is a car that will need a lot of $$ and time invested to bring back to a reasonable driving condition, where as a 123 wagon is much less costly to make the same repairs (one can easily spend $1000 on rear suspension parts for a 124, as I've recently discovered, twice...). -Max From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 11:00:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] who wanted a 300D? I can't figure out why the W1241987 300TD wagons are going so cheap compared to the W123 300TDs. Marshall Booth always insisted the 124s were way superior in many ways to the 123 technology. I hate their looks, which is why I am a W123 300TD collector instead of seeking that perfect W124 300TD... On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Read your mail from a coupla days ago about whoever was looking for a new diesel. --R On 12/11/2010 6:42 PM, Mountain Man wrote: --R wrote: What white one? You talking about the one the guy I know is selling? That car is probably as close to perfect as one can be for its age, this one, who knows... What is the price of the 20-minute-away one that you know? The seller has another white 1992 300D for twice the money. Tell us more about the perfect one 20 minutes away? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Unhappy Brake Noises
Can you apply a little air pressure and get the stuck piston to move out? Once you can see the bore, you can condemn or rebuild. I finally have a small air compressor and used this method when I rebuilt the calipers on my '95 E300, works pretty slick but you need to modulate the pressure and use something other than fingers to 'catch' the piston. -Max (fingers much better now, thank you). From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 12:04:43 PM Subject: [MBZ] Unhappy Brake Noises Last night I drove the 300SD (the mamabenz) and noticed it was making a grinding sound from the right rear brake. Checked it out, the inner pad was down to about 1/8 and the other was about 1/4. Rotor was OK. I was able to use a C-clamp to compress the outer piston a bit but the inner was not moving. I'm guessing the one piston is seized? Time for a new caliper? Not sure why that would make Unhappy Noises but is the only thing I can see. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] who wanted a 300D?
I looked at a few real junkers before I bought my junker, $3000 on Ebay at the peak of the MB-diesel market frenzy a few years ago. -Max From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 12:14:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] who wanted a 300D? Really? I'm thinking of a 124 wagon, actually. Bob R On Dec 13, 2010 9:12 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: My theory is that the 124 wagons are more complex / more expensive to maintain and repair, but the owners for the most part are frugal (compared to average MB owner) and don't keep them up well so the end result is a car that will need a lot of $$ and time invested to bring back to a reasonable driving condition, where as a 123 wagon is much less costly to make the same repairs (one can easily spend $1000 on rear suspension parts for a 124, as I've recently discovered, twice...). -Max From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 11:00:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] who wanted a 300D? I can't figure out why the W1241987 300TD wagons are going so cheap compared to the W123 300TDs. Marshall Booth always insisted the 124s were way superior in many ways to the 123 technology. I hate their looks, which is why I am a W123 300TD collector instead of seeking that perfect W124 300TD... On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Read your mail from a coupla days ago about whoever was looking for a new diesel. --R On 12/11/2010 6:42 PM, Mountain Man wrote: --R wrote: What white one? You talking about the one the guy I know is selling? That car is probably as close to perfect as one can be for its age, this one, who knows... What is the price of the 20-minute-away one that you know? The seller has another white 1992 300D for twice the money. Tell us more about the perfect one 20 minutes away? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More W124 rear suspension rebuilding
~$650 for a complete set of links and bushings and hardware, ~$300 for the subframe mounts and rear shocks for the sedan. The SLS struts for the 124 wagon are not the same as the 123 I'm pretty sure; I replaced my leaking struts last summer with a $150 used set in really nice condition. I'm sure I wouldn't pay the price for new struts, but I never asked. -Max From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 12:41:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] More W124 rear suspension rebuilding How much did the parts cost, roughly? Are the rear SLS struts the same as on the W123 300TD? On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Update: after about 15(!) hours I finished the job. Stopped twice to eat. I was rather sore on Sunday morning... Sad news for OK Don: the Sir Tools $100 bushing press did not survive unscathed. It worked great on the '95 car, but my '87 wagon proved to be made of firmer stuff (or perhaps rustier/older). The center bolt, with Acme threads, stripped while trying to pull out the old bushing. I finally figured out a way to use the HF ball joint C-clamp in combination with the ST press and got'er done, but probably lost a few hours messing around with that bushing alone. A new center bolt will make the tool usable again - have sent inquiry to seller to see if they can do a warranty replacement. I was also slowed down because I ordered one wrong strut - I was confused about the whole M10 vs. M12 issue and mis-matched the bolt kit vs. the strut. I think that for future reference, the proper thing to do is order all M12 stuff when replacing all the struts - the wheel carrier mounting points will accept the M12 but would need the sleeves for the M10 bolts. While figuring out the problem, I spent some time consulting the FSM and then my order vs. the EPC and found my mistake. New order to Rusty forthcoming; next side SHOULD go faster. Of note, the outer bushing for the spring link was totally shot; these joints have accordion rubber boots on each side, and the old joint had no rubber boots left and thus no grease but lots and lots of play. -Max From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sat, December 11, 2010 2:26:07 PM Subject: [MBZ] More W124 rear suspension rebuilding Dieselvolk, This a.m. I dove into rebuilding the rear suspension on my '87 wagon. Started by pulling the spring link on the right side, and replaced the inner bushing using a piece of 3/8 acme threaded rod. Took about 2.5 hours to do that. Incidentally, the sleeve for the inner bushing is not tapered on this car like it was on my '95 E300. Replacement bushing is same part number as for the '95. The original bushing in this '87 300TD has a head at one end of the inner-most sleeve, which I had to cut off in order to get clearance to push the bushing out. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The E420 Lives!
I've been told that torches and concrete don't play well together - the concrete can explode if heated too fast - but a mini-butane is probably safe... -Max From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 2:02:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The E420 Lives! On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Max Dillon wrote: Very Cool - thanks for sharing that trick! Now that I have a proper blue wrench, I can do neat stuff like this... It does not take much to get a little copper ring hot enough. A little jewelers butane torch would likely be enough. That's how I do it. Mini butane torch in one hand, can of circuit-board freeze spray in the other. Lay the washer down on a clean patch of concrete and have at it. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hey Max
Can I keep it at your place? :) -Max From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 9:05:54 AM Subject: [MBZ] Hey Max Either make bio-d or meth http://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/2111385209.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] E420 and windshield replacement
No gasket - just a good bead of urethane. Check for any signs of rust around the frame; the two fore/aft trim pieces pull up at the base of the hood hinge point to remove, you can tie them off to each side view mirror to hold out of the way, and then use a plastic wedge to pry out the top frame piece - all three trim pieces are simply pushed down into friction fit clamps. My '95 E300 had a poorly done replacement windshield; the installers did not properly prime/paint the scratches from removing the old glass, and so I had a lot of rust, which in one bad spot had bubbled up and caused a crack. $230 job turned into a $800 job plus time required for shop to weld in a piece of replacement steel. Check the rubber gasket going across the base of the windshield - it should be laying flat all the way across. If it won't lay flat, odds are you've got a replacement which was not done correctly OR somebody has been working on the w.wiper. The plastic gutters on the left and right of the w.wiper are also fragile and subject to breakage by heavy-handed technicians - I had to replace the right-hand side gutter on my car. -Max From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 9:11:34 AM Subject: [MBZ] E420 and windshield replacement The windshield on the E420 has some cracks running across it and I think I'm going to have to replace it. Q says there is no gasket like on the W123. Anything else I should know about before I get it done? Craig -- Present:'94 E420117 kmi '82 240D/3.0264 kmi Past:'86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc '72 220D/8 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] E420 and windshield replacement
No gasket - just a good bead of urethane. Check for any signs of rust around the frame; the two fore/aft trim pieces pull up at the base of the hood hinge point to remove, you can tie them off to each side view mirror to hold out of the way, and then use a plastic wedge to pry out the top frame piece - all three trim pieces are simply pushed down into friction fit clamps. My '95 E300 had a poorly done replacement windshield; the installers did not properly prime/paint the scratches in the metal frame prior to installing the new glass, so a $250 job turned into a $800 job. Also look at the rubber gasket along the base of the windshield on either side of the mono-wiper; if it doesn't lay flat, you may have to replace that. The plastic gutters underneath are also fragile and subject to breaking. -Max From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 9:11:34 AM Subject: [MBZ] E420 and windshield replacement The windshield on the E420 has some cracks running across it and I think I'm going to have to replace it. Q says there is no gasket like on the W123. Anything else I should know about before I get it done? Craig -- Present:'94 E420117 kmi '82 240D/3.0264 kmi Past:'86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc '72 220D/8 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hard starting 300TD
If using the block heater will make it fire right up, I think that would indicate compression improves with heat, which could be poorly adjusted valves or worn out piston rings. -Max From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 1:14:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hard starting 300TD The valves were adjusted COLD. I see no reason to R/R the glow plug fuse (it either works or it doesn't - right?) but I could R/R the glow plug RELAY if you think that is worth a try. I don't have the wherewithal (unheated garage) to remove and test the glow plugs. Not aware of any leaks either either but I could pump the primer while SWMBO is cranking. If I plugged in the car prior to starting and it fired right up, what would that mean with regard to these other possible issues? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Never heard of winter clearances, except I dimly recall something about clearances for *really* cold/arctic conditions. I've always heard the need to be adjusted dead cold. As in, sitting overnight, and not even started to pull into the garage/service area. Allan On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:33 -0500, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: Were the valves adjusted hot or cold? Were they set at the winter or summer clearances? -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Dec 14, 2010, at 10:14, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: This is a new problem for me. The 1985 300TD recently had a valve adjustment so I wasn't too worried about it starting in the cold. Well, I should have been! Yesterday, with a temp of around 23 F., after sitting in the street for a mere 6 hours the 300TD barely started up without running down the (relatively new) battery. I had to key the glow cycle three times for an additional 10-20 seconds each time before it fired up. So how do I diagnose whether this is bad glow plugs or low compression? Or could it be something else? The car never fires up quickly in the best of circumstances, compared to the '83 turbo diesel wagon, although it has adequate power and acceleration. Fuel is clean, too (I recently changed the tank strainer and other filters). As always, TIA. Andrew 1983 300TD starts like a 300TE 1985 300TD needs to be wound up ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT?
Larry, Yes, I have the list on paper and I'll send you a copy. The '95 finally was all together back at Thanksgiving, and performed beautifully on a trip to NYC and back since then. The car is an absolute pleasure to drive now, and soon my '87 wagon will have the same treatment. I did not replace the subframe mounts yet, that will wait for a less busy time. Before I started, riding in the car was like riding on springs on a piano dolly; very bouncy and lots of rear-end steering. After new rear shocks and new struts/bushings and an alignment (and front end work including lower ball joints and tie rods and steering shock), all that is fixed. If you're planning to do this work, the most difficult parts are the two bushings for the spring link (aka lower control arm). The inner bushing is mounted in the spring link, the outer bushing is mounted in the wheel carrier. I purchased a $100 Sir Tools copy of the special MB tool for the outer bushing; it requires that the brake rotor and parking brake assembly be removed, and the dust shield taken loose so that you can get proper access and clearance around the bushing. Tool worked great on the '95, but broke on my wagon. The inner bushings are also a bear. On my '95, I ended up taking them to a shop to have the old pressed out and new pressed in for $40. On my wagon, I have a shop made tool consisting of a foot of 3/8-12 Acme threaded rod and some nuts, a piece of pipe with the ends cut absolutely square, and an assortment of sockets; the tool just barely is enough to do the inner bushings. I've finished the right side of the wagon; when I do the left side, I'm going to use a torch to heat up things so that life for the tools will be a little easier. -Max From: l02tur...@comcast.net l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 9:42:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT? Hi Max, Last Summer you were prepping for a rear suspension repair upgrade. At the time several people (incl. me) requested a list parts needed. Were you ever able to put that list onto paper? Would love to see it - still no specific problems but it's one of those problems that sneak up on you without noticing. I assume the '95 is all back together by now? Driving nicely I hope? Sorry if you have gone over this - there are so many MBZ posts I often get behind in reading all of them. Hope I don't miss something important... Did you notice a big improvement? TIA - Larry T 91 300D -Original Message- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 7:41 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT? I'll send it directly (anyone else need it?) but I'm not sure it will all apply to you, as the hardware changed at some point, increasing the bolt size from M10 to M12 I believe. Maybe someone here is smart enough to know if the larger bolts will be fine as long as ALL the camber/torque/strut/etc arms are replaced along with bushings and sleeves? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Larry T Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT? Hey Max - When you get that list, please share it, OK?? My '91 300D might need a similar rebuild one of these days Thx LarryT 91 300D In God We Trust -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT? Dieselvolk, I'm putting together a Rusty-gram to get the rubber and hardware bits so that I can rebuild the rear suspension on my '95 E300. I'm planning to go whole hog: differential to sub frame mounts, sub frame to body mounts, and all the various bushings and torque arms and struts that hold the wheel carrier in position. I'm expecting at least a boat ride at this year's Rusty-Q, as I've probably already made two or three of his boat payments. Someone, I believe it was Dieselhead, recently shared their observations, and I remember that removing the mounts that hold sub frame to body was loads of fun and games. What tools/hardware should I gather in advance to help this procedure along? Can I rent the $$$ tools somewhere? Any other tidbits of wisdom will be appreciated. Still smoking, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 328k miles '95 E300 275k miles (project) '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe
Re: [MBZ] hose heater versus block heater?!!
The block heater should seal up just fine - I don't think I've ever heard of one leaking. Have you checked to make sure it's not already there? Many times they were installed from the factory, but no cord was included; original owner received a coupon for the cord at purchase. Block heater will be on the right side of the block, under the exhaust manifold but above the engine mount, and can be pretty difficult to reach let alone see. As you can imagine, if it's not present it will also be difficult to install. -Max From: Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 11:27:29 AM Subject: [MBZ] hose heater versus block heater?!! Hi, everyone We too are having issues with our car starting this winter (1980 300 SD). Hubbie put about 4 different hose heaters on it last winter. The last one finally worked once or twice. (We won't mention the local car parts store) We tried it again in November and it seemed to be doing fine and then the morning we had appointments to keep 80 miles away and temp was -20, guess what? Yep-- it didn't work at all. We made it to appointments, but used up our easy travel margin of time for sure!! So, my question is: the block heaters sound more dependable and efficient but hubbie is concerned about problems installing in the old car. He thinks it will be hard to seal up after removing the old plug, which seems to be another big concern, too. Any feedback from you experts? Should we keep trying the hose heaters, and is there one that really works long term?? Thanks for advice! Wishing you all a Wonderful Christmas Season and a Great New Year to come, Christy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hose heater versus block heater?!!
That reminds me - on my '87 wagon, the cordless block heater had a plastic cover over it making it rather blend in with the block. Once I felt it, I knew what it was. -Max From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 12:38:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] hose heater versus block heater?!! Me jumping on a 5 foot breaker bar on says, if the block comes with it, the block was no good to begin with. I transfered mine from a 2.4 to the 3.0 with both engines out, it just takes time and a willingness to not listen to that something's going to break... feeling for once. If you have the engine in the car, as you do, it should go easier. Check for the heater first, depending on the year/version, they can look quite like a freeze plug at first glance, and can be overlooked easily. Walt On Dec 15, 2010 12:20 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Difficult to install? Not if you have a hoist and a 8' long wrench. Difficult to seal? Not unless a big piece of the engine block comes out with the old plug when you try to unscrew it. (has this ever happened, or is it something we irrationally worry about when the torque goes north of 500 ft-lb?) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SLS pump for a 123 wanted
Andrew's got one attached to an engine with really bad compression that won't start... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 9:24 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] SLS pump for a 123 wanted The Self Leveling Suspension pump on my '85 wagon is in pretty rough shape. So too is the one from the parts car. And I'm trying to avoid spending on a new one. Anyone here know of a used one in decent shape? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hard starting 300TD
No. You still could have bad glow plugs, low compression (valve adjustment or rings), bad injectors, leaking fuel lines. Your car is trying to tell you that it needs attention; that is all we know so far. The easiest thing to try first is measuring the resistance of the glow plugs. Next would be pulling the pre-glow relay fuse to see if it has cracks or crumbles in your fingers. After that, try operating the manual primer pump; if it leaks, it needs to be replaced. If it doesn't leak, keep pumping while SWMBO tries to start the car (already recommended; if that helps, then you know you have a leak in the fuel system. I'd say the valve adjustment is 3rd from last, as you say it was done recently. After that, pull the injectors and have the compression checked and have the injectors tested while they're out (don't forget to use new heat shields when you put the injectors back in). -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 4:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hard starting 300TD Another question. The good 300TD starts without glowing when the engine is warm. The bad 85 300TD always needs to be glowed before starting, regardless of engine temperature. It starts quicker when it's warm, but I still need to glow it or it cranks a lot. Does this observation mean the glow plugs aren't the problem? On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Yeah that sounds right. I forget these things, maybe I should use a notebook or something when doing these jobs. But those gearwrenches are great tools. --R On 12/14/2010 10:35 AM, John Reames wrote: An 8mm gearwrench for the electrical connections, and a 10mm for the plugs proper. -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Dec 14, 2010, at 10:28, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Might want to check your glow plugs, relay, and CHECK YOUR FUSE. The 84 SD was getting a bit balky, even in warm weather, I replaced a couple of glow plugs and the relay (which did not appear to be relaying very well for reasons unclear), and it fires right up (though I have not yet tried it today after last night way down in the 20s). I CHANGED THE FUSE too, first thing, but it was OK so that was not the issue. Sort of minimal stuff that you should probably check as a matter of course, but makes quite the difference. Note: changing the glow plugs really benefits from a 10mm (I think) gearwrench as that is about the only thing I could fit in there easily to loosen/tighten everything. The relay is easy to change, make sure you disconnect the battery first. --R On 12/14/2010 10:14 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: This is a new problem for me. The 1985 300TD recently had a valve adjustment so I wasn't too worried about it starting in the cold. Well, I should have been! Yesterday, with a temp of around 23 F., after sitting in the street for a mere 6 hours the 300TD barely started up without running down the (relatively new) battery. I had to key the glow cycle three times for an additional 10-20 seconds each time before it fired up. So how do I diagnose whether this is bad glow plugs or low compression? Or could it be something else? The car never fires up quickly in the best of circumstances, compared to the '83 turbo diesel wagon, although it has adequate power and acceleration. Fuel is clean, too (I recently changed the tank strainer and other filters). As always, TIA. Andrew 1983 300TD starts like a 300TE 1985 300TD needs to be wound up ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search
Re: [MBZ] Hard starting 300TD
I've had good luck with the local Bosch diesel service shop - look in your yellow pages or google them. Also, if you've got a good independent MB shop, they may offer that service as well. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 11:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hard starting 300TD Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net writes: After that, pull the injectors and have the compression checked and have the injectors tested while they're out (don't forget to use new heat shields when you put the injectors back in). Does anyone know of a good injector service shop (can test, balance, and if necessary rebuild injectors using quality components). Or is this something that any diesel service shop normally does fairly well? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SLS pump for a 123 wanted
PGA = Potomac German Auto (now part of the LKQ Empire but still has lots of MB stuff at fair prices and they ship. http://www.pgauto.com/ -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:27 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] SLS pump for a 123 wanted David Bruckmann wrote: I'm not sure what rough shape means. I opened it up, with the plan to replace the shaft seal. The shaft is stuck in the cover and the cover bushing-to-shaft is _way_ to loose. And the shaft has worn grooves, and scoring from the body bushing. The pump from the parts car is actually in better shape - except the seal grooves are deeper. Both, I suspect, ran for a considerably amount of time without sufficient clean oil in the system. :( I haven't bought used parts since Atlanta Stutgard closed shop... Is there a respectable used parts supplier? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Windshield Wiper W124
Did you lubricate because the movement is too slow? On my '95, the plastic cover over the reticulating mechanism is easy to pop-off - there are two catches at the bottom, you simply pull a little and it should pop off. You'll have access to clean and lube everything but the shaft which comes out of the motor. On my '87, the cover is screwed down and the entire WW assembly must be removed in order to properly clean/lubricate. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of l02tur...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 9:57 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Windshield Wiper W124 Hi Gang, My wife told me the WW was acting funny (she always talks in highly technical terms) so I checked it out tonight – because we’re having a snow storm tomorrow. Great timing, huh? Anyway, it sounds like the wiper blade is dry and dragging across the glass. It wasn’t as I sprayed it with cleaner fluid. I lubricated the mechanism as much as I could without disassembling anything. It’s a bit better. But I worry. Anyone BTDT? TIA - LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Beam patterns from different times and and countries.
Did you forget to paste in the URL? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of l02tur...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 9:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Beam patterns from different times and and countries. This website has a excellent explanation of the different bulbs - their wattage, useage, etc along with images of many different lens'.Very informative. This guy makes a great relay kit for Porsche (and others) headlights so they can take more power safely. LarryT 91 300D -Original Message- From: relng...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:14 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Beam patterns from different times and and countries. ..Isn't the lamp lens customized for lighting patterns in different countries? Maybe 4 was the US pattern?.. It is for right or left hand traffic. Beyond that, the beam patterns with H-4s have been the same for decades. For the one example I know about, the stock headlights in my '95 W202 C280 used H-4 (100/160W) bulbs producing the Euro beam pattern with the low beam sharp cutoff which is the same beam pattern my 2008 C300's Bi-Xenon low beams have. And the old Cibie Z-Beams in my Porsche with JC Whitney 100/160W H-4s (four relays) have the exact same pattern. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Windshield Wiper W124
I'm not sure of the official lube; I used some plain old wheel bearing grease on my '95, and it still is too slow. I'm not sure if that is the grease or a problem with the motor. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:12 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Windshield Wiper W124 What do you lube it with? On 12/16/2010 6:41 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Did you lubricate because the movement is too slow? On my '95, the plastic cover over the reticulating mechanism is easy to pop-off - there are two catches at the bottom, you simply pull a little and it should pop off. You'll have access to clean and lube everything but the shaft which comes out of the motor. On my '87, the cover is screwed down and the entire WW assembly must be removed in order to properly clean/lubricate. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of l02tur...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 9:57 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Windshield Wiper W124 Hi Gang, My wife told me the WW was acting funny (she always talks in highly technical terms) so I checked it out tonight – because we’re having a snow storm tomorrow. Great timing, huh? Anyway, it sounds like the wiper blade is dry and dragging across the glass. It wasn’t as I sprayed it with cleaner fluid. I lubricated the mechanism as much as I could without disassembling anything. It’s a bit better. But I worry. Anyone BTDT? TIA - LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3317 - Release Date: 12/15/10 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Windshield Wiper W124
PGA may be our friend - see my earlier post with their URL. On my foray to the pick-n-pull a few weeks ago, I noticed that all the MB WW's had been violently stripped of their motors. Very sad - all the transmission arms bent, all the plastic/rubber covers ripped and broken off. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of l02tur...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 3:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Windshield Wiper W124 Hi Max, The movement is slow and sounds like it's on a dry surface - even though I wet it down.I removed the cover you mentioned and lubed the shaft under the cover - helped a little. See my reply to Allan where I discuss Rusty's phone call. Sounds like we both have a new transmission in out future. I'm starting a search for a used one at Rusty's suggestion... New one's are over $500. Take care -- LarryT 91 300D -Original Message- From: Max Dillon Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 7:41 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Windshield Wiper W124 Did you lubricate because the movement is too slow? On my '95, the plastic cover over the reticulating mechanism is easy to pop-off - there are two catches at the bottom, you simply pull a little and it should pop off. You'll have access to clean and lube everything but the shaft which comes out of the motor. On my '87, the cover is screwed down and the entire WW assembly must be removed in order to properly clean/lubricate. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of l02tur...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 9:57 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Windshield Wiper W124 Hi Gang, My wife told me the WW was acting funny (she always talks in highly technical terms) so I checked it out tonight – because we’re having a snow storm tomorrow. Great timing, huh? Anyway, it sounds like the wiper blade is dry and dragging across the glass. It wasn’t as I sprayed it with cleaner fluid. I lubricated the mechanism as much as I could without disassembling anything. It’s a bit better. But I worry. Anyone BTDT? TIA - LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Windshield Wiper W124
Allen, Yes, grease undoubtably too thick. I think that some type of silicon lubricant has been recommended. ATF would probably work fine too, just keep it away from the glass and wiper. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Windshield Wiper W124 Wheel bearing grease is pretty thick. What about synthetic motor oil or ATF? On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 09:44 -0500, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm not sure of the official lube; I used some plain old wheel bearing grease on my '95, and it still is too slow. I'm not sure if that is the grease or a problem with the motor. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:12 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Windshield Wiper W124 What do you lube it with? On 12/16/2010 6:41 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Did you lubricate because the movement is too slow? On my '95, the plastic cover over the reticulating mechanism is easy to pop-off - there are two catches at the bottom, you simply pull a little and it should pop off. You'll have access to clean and lube everything but the shaft which comes out of the motor. On my '87, the cover is screwed down and the entire WW assembly must be removed in order to properly clean/lubricate. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of l02tur...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 9:57 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Windshield Wiper W124 Hi Gang, My wife told me the WW was acting funny (she always talks in highly technical terms) so I checked it out tonight – because we’re having a snow storm tomorrow. Great timing, huh? Anyway, it sounds like the wiper blade is dry and dragging across the glass. It wasn’t as I sprayed it with cleaner fluid. I lubricated the mechanism as much as I could without disassembling anything. It’s a bit better. But I worry. Anyone BTDT? TIA - LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3317 - Release Date: 12/15/10 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
Over the last couple of nights I've been pecking away at the left side links/bushings on my 300TD. I started by pulling the wheel, brake caliper, and rotor, and then taking loose the parking brake shoes and the brake backing plate/dust shield. On my '95, I didn't need to loosen the brake backing plate, but on this '87 car it is required and makes the whole job much easier. The spring link came off next, using a trolley jack to lower it to let the spring relax so it could be safely removed. I used the Sir Tools M0085 bushing press (with stripped threads on the bolt) in combination with the Harbor Freight ball joint tool to press out the outer spring link bushing which is in the bottom of the wheel carrier. On this side of the car, the wheel carrier casting was different which made placing the cups of the M0085 much easier so that it sat perfectly flush on the edge of the bushing and it came out quite nicely. Cleaned up the hole with wire brush, lubricated with anti-seize paste, and pulled the new bushing in with the M0085 (the end threads are still good enough to do this part of the job). Next I replaced the thrust link and the tie-rod link; again I used the MB special tool for removing tied rod ends, which easily popped off the tie rod from the wheel carrier. Pulling link and camber link were next, but couldn't complete the installation of these without new hardware, coming in the next box of goodies from Rusty. Good news for OK Don: Both Toolsource and Sir Tools have offered to replace the broken M0085 under warranty, so you will be getting either a new tool or a new bolt. Toolsource says they've already shipped a replacement tool, but I've got to return the broken tool to ensure it's covered by the warranty. Sir Tools says that they won't have a replacement bolt until January, but we probably won't have to wait for that. If a certain box is delivered this afternoon, I may be able to entertain you all with a happy ending later tonight! Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
Yes, I thought about that, but I don't have a place to share the pictures. Lousy excuse - I'm sure someone on this list could have helped me out, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I do plan to write up a comprehensive step-by-step with lessons learned, tools, part numbers, etc, but don't anyone hold their breath. Maybe that will be a good project for the Christmas break. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga You need to take some pics and post all this on a web site or blog. I guess it is too late, but it would be nice if everyone did that. Doesn't take long and is very helpful to see the actual job with comments. --R On 12/16/2010 5:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Over the last couple of nights I've been pecking away at the left side links/bushings on my 300TD. I started by pulling the wheel, brake caliper, and rotor, and then taking loose the parking brake shoes and the brake backing plate/dust shield. On my '95, I didn't need to loosen the brake backing plate, but on this '87 car it is required and makes the whole job much easier. The spring link came off next, using a trolley jack to lower it to let the spring relax so it could be safely removed. I used the Sir Tools M0085 bushing press (with stripped threads on the bolt) in combination with the Harbor Freight ball joint tool to press out the outer spring link bushing which is in the bottom of the wheel carrier. On this side of the car, the wheel carrier casting was different which made placing the cups of the M0085 much easier so that it sat perfectly flush on the edge of the bushing and it came out quite nicely. Cleaned up the hole with wire brush, lubricated with anti-seize paste, and pulled the new bushing in with the M0085 (the end threads are still good enough to do this part of the job). Next I replaced the thrust link and the tie-rod link; again I used the MB special tool for removing tied rod ends, which easily popped off the tie rod from the wheel carrier. Pulling link and camber link were next, but couldn't complete the installation of these without new hardware, coming in the next box of goodies from Rusty. Good news for OK Don: Both Toolsource and Sir Tools have offered to replace the broken M0085 under warranty, so you will be getting either a new tool or a new bolt. Toolsource says they've already shipped a replacement tool, but I've got to return the broken tool to ensure it's covered by the warranty. Sir Tools says that they won't have a replacement bolt until January, but we probably won't have to wait for that. If a certain box is delivered this afternoon, I may be able to entertain you all with a happy ending later tonight! Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
Sure, I'll be free in February, my rate is only $55 per hour plus expenses. I think that if I'd only done the spring link bushings and the camber link on this car, all my troubles would have been solved. Replacing them all removes any doubt, and now I shouldn't have to touch them for another 150k miles or so. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 6:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga Maybe I should go down for a weekend and let you do mine and take you and your young ladies to dinner a coupla times. ;)) Wilton - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga Yes, I thought about that, but I don't have a place to share the pictures. Lousy excuse - I'm sure someone on this list could have helped me out, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I do plan to write up a comprehensive step-by-step with lessons learned, tools, part numbers, etc, but don't anyone hold their breath. Maybe that will be a good project for the Christmas break. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga You need to take some pics and post all this on a web site or blog. I guess it is too late, but it would be nice if everyone did that. Doesn't take long and is very helpful to see the actual job with comments. --R On 12/16/2010 5:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Over the last couple of nights I've been pecking away at the left side links/bushings on my 300TD. I started by pulling the wheel, brake caliper, and rotor, and then taking loose the parking brake shoes and the brake backing plate/dust shield. On my '95, I didn't need to loosen the brake backing plate, but on this '87 car it is required and makes the whole job much easier. The spring link came off next, using a trolley jack to lower it to let the spring relax so it could be safely removed. I used the Sir Tools M0085 bushing press (with stripped threads on the bolt) in combination with the Harbor Freight ball joint tool to press out the outer spring link bushing which is in the bottom of the wheel carrier. On this side of the car, the wheel carrier casting was different which made placing the cups of the M0085 much easier so that it sat perfectly flush on the edge of the bushing and it came out quite nicely. Cleaned up the hole with wire brush, lubricated with anti-seize paste, and pulled the new bushing in with the M0085 (the end threads are still good enough to do this part of the job). Next I replaced the thrust link and the tie-rod link; again I used the MB special tool for removing tied rod ends, which easily popped off the tie rod from the wheel carrier. Pulling link and camber link were next, but couldn't complete the installation of these without new hardware, coming in the next box of goodies from Rusty. Good news for OK Don: Both Toolsource and Sir Tools have offered to replace the broken M0085 under warranty, so you will be getting either a new tool or a new bolt. Toolsource says they've already shipped a replacement tool, but I've got to return the broken tool to ensure it's covered by the warranty. Sir Tools says that they won't have a replacement bolt until January, but we probably won't have to wait for that. If a certain box is delivered this afternoon, I may be able to entertain you all with a happy ending later tonight! Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
I'm considering rebuilding the power steering pump on my '95, which has developed a leak; that would be a nice project to post a blow-by-blow. Another place that I could put it would be on the MBCA forums. Maybe I should do both. -Max From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 10:37:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga Google Blogspot lets you set up a blog, you can post pictures and text and whatever. --R On 12/16/2010 5:53 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Yes, I thought about that, but I don't have a place to share the pictures. Lousy excuse - I'm sure someone on this list could have helped me out, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I do plan to write up a comprehensive step-by-step with lessons learned, tools, part numbers, etc, but don't anyone hold their breath. Maybe that will be a good project for the Christmas break. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga You need to take some pics and post all this on a web site or blog. I guess it is too late, but it would be nice if everyone did that. Doesn't take long and is very helpful to see the actual job with comments. --R On 12/16/2010 5:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Over the last couple of nights I've been pecking away at the left side links/bushings on my 300TD. I started by pulling the wheel, brake caliper, and rotor, and then taking loose the parking brake shoes and the brake backing plate/dust shield. On my '95, I didn't need to loosen the brake backing plate, but on this '87 car it is required and makes the whole job much easier. The spring link came off next, using a trolley jack to lower it to let the spring relax so it could be safely removed. I used the Sir Tools M0085 bushing press (with stripped threads on the bolt) in combination with the Harbor Freight ball joint tool to press out the outer spring link bushing which is in the bottom of the wheel carrier. On this side of the car, the wheel carrier casting was different which made placing the cups of the M0085 much easier so that it sat perfectly flush on the edge of the bushing and it came out quite nicely. Cleaned up the hole with wire brush, lubricated with anti-seize paste, and pulled the new bushing in with the M0085 (the end threads are still good enough to do this part of the job). Next I replaced the thrust link and the tie-rod link; again I used the MB special tool for removing tied rod ends, which easily popped off the tie rod from the wheel carrier. Pulling link and camber link were next, but couldn't complete the installation of these without new hardware, coming in the next box of goodies from Rusty. Good news for OK Don: Both Toolsource and Sir Tools have offered to replace the broken M0085 under warranty, so you will be getting either a new tool or a new bolt. Toolsource says they've already shipped a replacement tool, but I've got to return the broken tool to ensure it's covered by the warranty. Sir Tools says that they won't have a replacement bolt until January, but we probably won't have to wait for that. If a certain box is delivered this afternoon, I may be able to entertain you all with a happy ending later tonight! Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
Thanks Kaleb, perhaps I'll do that as well. I've never looked around on your sight after the great meltdown back when Dick (?) ran it for $2000 per month on Rusty's dime. -Max From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 10:54:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga send it to me and I will put it up On 12/16/2010 4:53 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Yes, I thought about that, but I don't have a place to share the pictures. Lousy excuse - I'm sure someone on this list could have helped me out, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I do plan to write up a comprehensive step-by-step with lessons learned, tools, part numbers, etc, but don't anyone hold their breath. Maybe that will be a good project for the Christmas break. -Max -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sil-Glyde
If you or anyone else wants to shorten the life from decades to maybe just years, perhaps you could sell some little 1x or 2x application amounts in ziplock bags? Where does one get some Sil-Glyde? -Max From: relng...@aol.com relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:40:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sil-Glyde Oh oh. Not Ru-Glyde, but Sil-Glyde. Had a tube of it for decades. Defintely superior to something that will run to the bottom. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
Speaking of posting pictures, FYI most gps-enabled cell phones (i.e. Blackberries, i-phones, etc) will geo-tag pictures with the location the picture was taken. If the photographer then shares that photo on-line, they've also posted the date/time and location of the photo. Folks with privacy (or OPSEC) considerations might not like to have such info in the public domain, where nefarious intentions can lead to bad results. From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 10:37:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga Google Blogspot lets you set up a blog, you can post pictures and text and whatever. --R On 12/16/2010 5:53 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Yes, I thought about that, but I don't have a place to share the pictures. Lousy excuse - I'm sure someone on this list could have helped me out, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I do plan to write up a comprehensive step-by-step with lessons learned, tools, part numbers, etc, but don't anyone hold their breath. Maybe that will be a good project for the Christmas break. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga You need to take some pics and post all this on a web site or blog. I guess it is too late, but it would be nice if everyone did that. Doesn't take long and is very helpful to see the actual job with comments. --R On 12/16/2010 5:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Over the last couple of nights I've been pecking away at the left side links/bushings on my 300TD. I started by pulling the wheel, brake caliper, and rotor, and then taking loose the parking brake shoes and the brake backing plate/dust shield. On my '95, I didn't need to loosen the brake backing plate, but on this '87 car it is required and makes the whole job much easier. The spring link came off next, using a trolley jack to lower it to let the spring relax so it could be safely removed. I used the Sir Tools M0085 bushing press (with stripped threads on the bolt) in combination with the Harbor Freight ball joint tool to press out the outer spring link bushing which is in the bottom of the wheel carrier. On this side of the car, the wheel carrier casting was different which made placing the cups of the M0085 much easier so that it sat perfectly flush on the edge of the bushing and it came out quite nicely. Cleaned up the hole with wire brush, lubricated with anti-seize paste, and pulled the new bushing in with the M0085 (the end threads are still good enough to do this part of the job). Next I replaced the thrust link and the tie-rod link; again I used the MB special tool for removing tied rod ends, which easily popped off the tie rod from the wheel carrier. Pulling link and camber link were next, but couldn't complete the installation of these without new hardware, coming in the next box of goodies from Rusty. Good news for OK Don: Both Toolsource and Sir Tools have offered to replace the broken M0085 under warranty, so you will be getting either a new tool or a new bolt. Toolsource says they've already shipped a replacement tool, but I've got to return the broken tool to ensure it's covered by the warranty. Sir Tools says that they won't have a replacement bolt until January, but we probably won't have to wait for that. If a certain box is delivered this afternoon, I may be able to entertain you all with a happy ending later tonight! Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
It's more fun being paranoid - did you put on your AFDB before reading my post? -Max From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 10:01:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga On the other hand, someone with an interest in working on cars might show up to help you. --R On 12/17/2010 9:31 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Speaking of posting pictures, FYI most gps-enabled cell phones (i.e. Blackberries, i-phones, etc) will geo-tag pictures with the location the picture was taken. If the photographer then shares that photo on-line, they've also posted the date/time and location of the photo. Folks with privacy (or OPSEC) considerations might not like to have such info in the public domain, where nefarious intentions can lead to bad results. From: Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 10:37:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga Google Blogspot lets you set up a blog, you can post pictures and text and whatever. --R On 12/16/2010 5:53 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Yes, I thought about that, but I don't have a place to share the pictures. Lousy excuse - I'm sure someone on this list could have helped me out, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I do plan to write up a comprehensive step-by-step with lessons learned, tools, part numbers, etc, but don't anyone hold their breath. Maybe that will be a good project for the Christmas break. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga You need to take some pics and post all this on a web site or blog. I guess it is too late, but it would be nice if everyone did that. Doesn't take long and is very helpful to see the actual job with comments. --R On 12/16/2010 5:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Over the last couple of nights I've been pecking away at the left side links/bushings on my 300TD. I started by pulling the wheel, brake caliper, and rotor, and then taking loose the parking brake shoes and the brake backing plate/dust shield. On my '95, I didn't need to loosen the brake backing plate, but on this '87 car it is required and makes the whole job much easier. The spring link came off next, using a trolley jack to lower it to let the spring relax so it could be safely removed. I used the Sir Tools M0085 bushing press (with stripped threads on the bolt) in combination with the Harbor Freight ball joint tool to press out the outer spring link bushing which is in the bottom of the wheel carrier. On this side of the car, the wheel carrier casting was different which made placing the cups of the M0085 much easier so that it sat perfectly flush on the edge of the bushing and it came out quite nicely. Cleaned up the hole with wire brush, lubricated with anti-seize paste, and pulled the new bushing in with the M0085 (the end threads are still good enough to do this part of the job). Next I replaced the thrust link and the tie-rod link; again I used the MB special tool for removing tied rod ends, which easily popped off the tie rod from the wheel carrier. Pulling link and camber link were next, but couldn't complete the installation of these without new hardware, coming in the next box of goodies from Rusty. Good news for OK Don: Both Toolsource and Sir Tools have offered to replace the broken M0085 under warranty, so you will be getting either a new tool or a new bolt. Toolsource says they've already shipped a replacement tool, but I've got to return the broken tool to ensure it's covered by the warranty. Sir Tools says that they won't have a replacement bolt until January, but we probably won't have to wait for that. If a certain box is delivered this afternoon, I may be able to entertain you all with a happy ending later tonight! Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
Maybe - some phones make it challenging, some are easy. Dig into the manual, or figure out if the data is embedded with your photo and see if that data changes or goes away when you change the setting. -Max (whose cell phone doesn't even take pictures). From: l02tur...@comcast.net l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 1:58:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga My cell phone (Verizon /Motorola) has a menu item saying Location on/off which means I can urn my location on or off - for 911 purposes IIRC. I wonder if that does the same thing you mentioned with photos? LarryT 91 300D -Original Message- From: Max Dillon Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:31 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga Speaking of posting pictures, FYI most gps-enabled cell phones (i.e. Blackberries, i-phones, etc) will geo-tag pictures with the location the picture was taken. If the photographer then shares that photo on-line, they've also posted the date/time and location of the photo. Folks with privacy (or OPSEC) considerations might not like to have such info in the public domain, where nefarious intentions can lead to bad results. From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 10:37:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga Google Blogspot lets you set up a blog, you can post pictures and text and whatever. --R On 12/16/2010 5:53 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Yes, I thought about that, but I don't have a place to share the pictures. Lousy excuse - I'm sure someone on this list could have helped me out, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I do plan to write up a comprehensive step-by-step with lessons learned, tools, part numbers, etc, but don't anyone hold their breath. Maybe that will be a good project for the Christmas break. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga You need to take some pics and post all this on a web site or blog. I guess it is too late, but it would be nice if everyone did that. Doesn't take long and is very helpful to see the actual job with comments. --R On 12/16/2010 5:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Over the last couple of nights I've been pecking away at the left side links/bushings on my 300TD. I started by pulling the wheel, brake caliper, and rotor, and then taking loose the parking brake shoes and the brake backing plate/dust shield. On my '95, I didn't need to loosen the brake backing plate, but on this '87 car it is required and makes the whole job much easier. The spring link came off next, using a trolley jack to lower it to let the spring relax so it could be safely removed. I used the Sir Tools M0085 bushing press (with stripped threads on the bolt) in combination with the Harbor Freight ball joint tool to press out the outer spring link bushing which is in the bottom of the wheel carrier. On this side of the car, the wheel carrier casting was different which made placing the cups of the M0085 much easier so that it sat perfectly flush on the edge of the bushing and it came out quite nicely. Cleaned up the hole with wire brush, lubricated with anti-seize paste, and pulled the new bushing in with the M0085 (the end threads are still good enough to do this part of the job). Next I replaced the thrust link and the tie-rod link; again I used the MB special tool for removing tied rod ends, which easily popped off the tie rod from the wheel carrier. Pulling link and camber link were next, but couldn't complete the installation of these without new hardware, coming in the next box of goodies from Rusty. Good news for OK Don: Both Toolsource and Sir Tools have offered to replace the broken M0085 under warranty, so you will be getting either a new tool or a new bolt. Toolsource says they've already shipped a replacement tool, but I've got to return the broken tool to ensure it's covered by the warranty. Sir Tools says that they won't have a replacement bolt until January, but we probably won't have to wait for that. If a certain box is delivered this afternoon, I may be able to entertain you all with a happy ending later tonight! Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
I wonder how much of that difference was due to the size (195/65 vs. 205/60)? Seems intuitive that the 205/60 would have better grip dry than a 195/65, all else being equal, but I suspect that there can be wide variation from batch to batch of tires from the same maker. However, even though purchasing tires seems like taking a chance no matter how much research one does, I'll bet the quality across the board is far higher now that it was decades ago (similar to improvements in motor oils). -Max From: l02tur...@comcast.net l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 2:41:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? I put Goodyear Eagles (195-65-15s) on the 91 300D shortly after we bought it and was very disappointed with their performance - poor wet, poor dry and rapid wear. The Kuhmo Extsa's on it now seem the opposite! I guess the car is very important when it comes to tire performance - we had exactly the opposite results -- Go figger - LarryT 91 300D -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Max Dillon wrote: So does anyone on this list run 205/60R15 tires on a 124? I'd like to stay with the factory rating, but I'm considering whatever trade-off may be required if I can save $100 or so. My 2.3-16v came with proper size worn out Goodyears (205/55vr15 on aftermarket rims.) Those Eagles were hard and shiny, but it cornered better than with the new Kumhos I put on it (195/65/15 on narrower 190D rims) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
So do I! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 4:54 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 03:52:06 -0800 (PST) Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm considering rebuilding the power steering pump on my '95, which has developed a leak; that would be a nice project to post a blow-by-blow. I sure hope it's easier getting it out of your '95 than it was getting it out of our '94. Craig -- Present:'94 E420117 kmi '82 240D/3.0264 kmi Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc '72 220D/8 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Where is everyone?
Have fresh box from Rusty - will be installing new bits for rest of the day... -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth?
My father is offering a 'family price' for his '72 280SEL. It is very straight and rust free, and the interior is fresh (transplant from a different car), but has been poorly painted in a two-tone scheme which is now flaking off. Original color looks like ivory, some PO painted the lower half a caramel color. So, to make the car really nice, it will need to be sanded and painted. It has an automatic transmission, fuel injected V8, after-market AC, and he's put a lot of time and $$ into fixing it up and is now bored with it. He bought it in AZ a few years ago, so it is supposedly rust free, but I have not yet seen the car. I need a third MB like I need a hole in my head, but I really like the style of this car. SWMBO also thinks it is a beauty, but she is also leery of taking on another project. I'm thinking that an $80 roller-paint job would be in order, nice little summer project to keep me off the streets. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth?
HaHaHa. My Dad never keeps a car longer than about three years, almost like our Donald. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 1:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth? Max, that is your DAD's car! If you don't adopt it you will forever be kicking yourself. And your daughter is only a few years away from driving --R On 12/18/2010 1:40 PM, Max Dillon wrote: My father is offering a 'family price' for his '72 280SEL. It is very straight and rust free, and the interior is fresh (transplant from a different car), but has been poorly painted in a two-tone scheme which is now flaking off. Original color looks like ivory, some PO painted the lower half a caramel color. So, to make the car really nice, it will need to be sanded and painted. It has an automatic transmission, fuel injected V8, after-market AC, and he's put a lot of time and $$ into fixing it up and is now bored with it. He bought it in AZ a few years ago, so it is supposedly rust free, but I have not yet seen the car. I need a third MB like I need a hole in my head, but I really like the style of this car. SWMBO also thinks it is a beauty, but she is also leery of taking on another project. I'm thinking that an $80 roller-paint job would be in order, nice little summer project to keep me off the streets. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate
Here Here! I second the motion - almost coughed up my cereal reading that one! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate Kaleb, This belong on your famous quotes page. It is extremely hilarious, coming from the master of flaming. Hursty sez: you guys really act viciously and abnormally and i don't think you see it at all ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth?
Also, daughter has already claimed the '95; with my luck, I add another much better looking car, and she'll claim both! So no one has an opinion on the market for a solid but cosmetically challenged '72 280SEL? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 1:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth? Max, that is your DAD's car! If you don't adopt it you will forever be kicking yourself. And your daughter is only a few years away from driving --R On 12/18/2010 1:40 PM, Max Dillon wrote: My father is offering a 'family price' for his '72 280SEL. It is very straight and rust free, and the interior is fresh (transplant from a different car), but has been poorly painted in a two-tone scheme which is now flaking off. Original color looks like ivory, some PO painted the lower half a caramel color. So, to make the car really nice, it will need to be sanded and painted. It has an automatic transmission, fuel injected V8, after-market AC, and he's put a lot of time and $$ into fixing it up and is now bored with it. He bought it in AZ a few years ago, so it is supposedly rust free, but I have not yet seen the car. I need a third MB like I need a hole in my head, but I really like the style of this car. SWMBO also thinks it is a beauty, but she is also leery of taking on another project. I'm thinking that an $80 roller-paint job would be in order, nice little summer project to keep me off the streets. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth?
OK thanks Kaleb, generally you've got the true price of a car nailed. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth? The market is so screwed up right now I just dont want to say. Might be worth 1k, maybe more, maybe less. Look around the net and see what they are selling for. Max Dillon wrote: Also, daughter has already claimed the '95; with my luck, I add another much better looking car, and she'll claim both! So no one has an opinion on the market for a solid but cosmetically challenged '72 280SEL? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 1:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth? Max, that is your DAD's car! If you don't adopt it you will forever be kicking yourself. And your daughter is only a few years away from driving --R On 12/18/2010 1:40 PM, Max Dillon wrote: My father is offering a 'family price' for his '72 280SEL. It is very straight and rust free, and the interior is fresh (transplant from a different car), but has been poorly painted in a two-tone scheme which is now flaking off. Original color looks like ivory, some PO painted the lower half a caramel color. So, to make the car really nice, it will need to be sanded and painted. It has an automatic transmission, fuel injected V8, after-market AC, and he's put a lot of time and $$ into fixing it up and is now bored with it. He bought it in AZ a few years ago, so it is supposedly rust free, but I have not yet seen the car. I need a third MB like I need a hole in my head, but I really like the style of this car. SWMBO also thinks it is a beauty, but she is also leery of taking on another project. I'm thinking that an $80 roller-paint job would be in order, nice little summer project to keep me off the streets. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth?
Thanks Peter - good info re: mileage - hadn't considered that aspect. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 10:16 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth? All depends on the local market. It is no longer likely you will find a mechanic who can work on one unless they specialize in antiques, they get horrible milage (12-16, usually more to the low end), parts are getting scarce, too. Wonderful cars in good shape, but I think mine is sucumbing to rust disease at last. Sad, but I really can't use a car that gets 12 mpg. Fully restored they go for about $12000 if you can find a buyer, but sedans are never a collector's item. Mine is available if anyone wants one, I'm not driving it and hate to junk it, but need to get some cars out of the drive. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this a good of a deal as it looks
Only if it doesn't have serious problems, which I will predict that it does based on the price, gutted seat controls for the driver and the missing center cap on LF wheel. Locally there was a '95 wagon on CL a month ago that looked superb for $3500, THAT is the kind of deal that tempts me... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Bob Rentfro Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 10:21 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Is this a good of a deal as it looks http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/2119667411.html Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth?
Bingo - what price does SWMBO think is a good price? That is the question... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth? If you wanted a project car, and you knew you had to justify the price to your wife, pretty much figure that's the story some guys going to have to pitch to his wife. So, it's not what the car is worth, but what amount do you think some guy's wife would tolerate for a hobby for hubby? What would your wife let you pay for it, if it was a stray looking for a new home? Ed 300E On 19 December 2010 15:45, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: OK thanks Kaleb, generally you've got the true price of a car nailed. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth? The market is so screwed up right now I just dont want to say. Might be worth 1k, maybe more, maybe less. Look around the net and see what they are selling for. Max Dillon wrote: Also, daughter has already claimed the '95; with my luck, I add another much better looking car, and she'll claim both! So no one has an opinion on the market for a solid but cosmetically challenged '72 280SEL? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 1:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth? Max, that is your DAD's car! If you don't adopt it you will forever be kicking yourself. And your daughter is only a few years away from driving --R On 12/18/2010 1:40 PM, Max Dillon wrote: My father is offering a 'family price' for his '72 280SEL. It is very straight and rust free, and the interior is fresh (transplant from a different car), but has been poorly painted in a two-tone scheme which is now flaking off. Original color looks like ivory, some PO painted the lower half a caramel color. So, to make the car really nice, it will need to be sanded and painted. It has an automatic transmission, fuel injected V8, after-market AC, and he's put a lot of time and $$ into fixing it up and is now bored with it. He bought it in AZ a few years ago, so it is supposedly rust free, but I have not yet seen the car. I need a third MB like I need a hole in my head, but I really like the style of this car. SWMBO also thinks it is a beauty, but she is also leery of taking on another project. I'm thinking that an $80 roller-paint job would be in order, nice little summer project to keep me off the streets. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http
Re: [MBZ] modern automotive design (was W140)
I think the 124 evaporators went the other way; started out fine in 86/87, but in the 90's they went down hill. Basically the same as the wiring harnesses. -Max (with a '95 124 with new replacement harness, suspiciously low on r134...) -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 1:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] modern automotive design (was W140) John Freer wrote: People also equate the evaporator and wiring harness failures to the W140 but I suspect there are just a few W124 owners who have had some bad experiences in these areas as well. John But weren't the W124 evaporators pretty much straightened out by 1992? Seems like that would have taught them how to do the W140 evaps right by the time the W140 hit these shores. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth?
If I bought this car, it would mostly be a garage queen, used for Friday night dates and other social occasions, so I don't think the fuel consumption would be too much of an issue. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth? Not that they aren't a wonderful car to drive, and a great ride all round, it's just that they really aren't an economic means of transportation. Mine does much better in the snow and ice than my 87 300D, but I still hate to drive it at 14 mpg on premium. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
OK 124 (and 201) experts, here's my puzzle. After replacing the four links and also the bushings at each end of the spring link, I STILL have negative camber on my 124 wagon. It is better, but it's still there. :( So, I've thought of a couple of causes and options. 1) Eccentric bolt and elongated holes at the inner end of either the spring link or the camber link, and adjust the camber directly. There is a note in the Tech. Modification notes of the service manual that the very early 124 cars had such an adjustment, but it was eliminated. 2) Rear springs are worn out; Replace em! 3) Rear spring pads are worn out; Replace em! How can I measure the ride height to determine if the negative camber is due to decreased ride height? -Max (feeling a little negative) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth?
Ed, but you see, the low cost of the paint job figures into the true price of the car, which is How much will SWMBO let me spend? Let's say I spend $1000 on the car, and then $1000 (or more!!) on paint. Then I'll have a beautifully painted in car, in which I can sleep every night - NOT! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 10:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth? If it's going to be a garage queen and saved for special occasions, you might want to rethink that $70 bucket and roller paint job. hee hee. ;-) Ed 300E On 19 December 2010 22:40, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: If I bought this car, it would mostly be a garage queen, used for Friday night dates and other social occasions, so I don't think the fuel consumption would be too much of an issue. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth? Not that they aren't a wonderful car to drive, and a great ride all round, it's just that they really aren't an economic means of transportation. Mine does much better in the snow and ice than my 87 300D, but I still hate to drive it at 14 mpg on premium. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
Let me clarify: Option 1 should read Modify the rear suspension by adding eccentric bolt and making elongated holes at ... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 11:01 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga OK 124 (and 201) experts, here's my puzzle. After replacing the four links and also the bushings at each end of the spring link, I STILL have negative camber on my 124 wagon. It is better, but it's still there. :( So, I've thought of a couple of causes and options. 1) Eccentric bolt and elongated holes at the inner end of either the spring link or the camber link, and adjust the camber directly. There is a note in the Tech. Modification notes of the service manual that the very early 124 cars had such an adjustment, but it was eliminated. 2) Rear springs are worn out; Replace em! 3) Rear spring pads are worn out; Replace em! How can I measure the ride height to determine if the negative camber is due to decreased ride height? -Max (feeling a little negative) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
That's a great thought Ed - someone did exactly that (David Bruckman?) for the 123 wagons, I need a similar savior for my 124 wagon... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 11:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga Maybe someone on the list has a similar car, that they know for sure the suspension is setup right. If so, maybe they can take a measurement of a fixed point on the underside, to give you a baseline of what your car's ride height should be? Just a thought I'm throwing out there. I'm sitting on the side lines, reading and taking all this in and learning what I can. I figure soon or later, I'll need to do all this too if I keep the car long enough. Ed 300E On 19 December 2010 23:01, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: OK 124 (and 201) experts, here's my puzzle. After replacing the four links and also the bushings at each end of the spring link, I STILL have negative camber on my 124 wagon. It is better, but it's still there. :( So, I've thought of a couple of causes and options. 1) Eccentric bolt and elongated holes at the inner end of either the spring link or the camber link, and adjust the camber directly. There is a note in the Tech. Modification notes of the service manual that the very early 124 cars had such an adjustment, but it was eliminated. 2) Rear springs are worn out; Replace em! 3) Rear spring pads are worn out; Replace em! How can I measure the ride height to determine if the negative camber is due to decreased ride height? -Max (feeling a little negative) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
What!!?! An MB suspension that doesn't hold up for a million miles? Heresy!!! Burn him! Burn him! Actually, I was thinking the same - stretching or deforming somewhere - but that is a terrible thought. Taking the car in for new tires and alignment today, I'll ask the shop but they're tire/brake folks. Maybe I should call the local MB wizard shop to see what they think (they do a lot of body work). -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 11:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga I have pondered this phenomenon, but have no direct answer. My suspicion is that maybe somehow the spring link (LCA) stretches under high mileage. Perhaps the link mountings distort, but nothing is obvious. With this phenomenon, I have not suspected springs as the springs and rubber seats appear ok, and the height seems ok. I have NOT measured the height. Perhaps a really good frame straightening shop can help. They should have all the measurements etc. A friend has a 00 volvo that has been crabbing really bad, and pulling to the left. many alignment and vovlo only shops could not fix it or find a problem. I suggested he find a frame straightening shop. He took it in and they immediately found the problem and fixed it. He is very happy now. I CAN tell you that you are not alone. OK 124 (and 201) experts, here's my puzzle. After replacing the four links and also the bushings at each end of the spring link, I STILL have negative camber on my 124 wagon. It is better, but it's still there. :( So, I've thought of a couple of causes and options. 1) Eccentric bolt and elongated holes at the inner end of either the spring link or the camber link, and adjust the camber directly. There is a note in the Tech. Modification notes of the service manual that the very early 124 cars had such an adjustment, but it was eliminated. 2) Rear springs are worn out; Replace em! 3) Rear spring pads are worn out; Replace em! How can I measure the ride height to determine if the negative camber is due to decreased ride height? -Max (feeling a little negative) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
Yes, I forgot to order new spring pads. I may decide to replace those, fortunately now I know that getting out the springs is not a big deal at all. And yes, according to the technical data book, negative camber is normal, so maybe I'm making a fuss over nothing! Will ask tire shop to measure and report the camber. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 11:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga I would have replaced the spring pads when I did the links (as I plan to do on mine) -- if the rubber in the links is bad, the rubber in the pads is also bad. I know this was a problem with someone else's car a few years back but I don't know what the solution was. There is some negative camber that is normal, just like a BMW, the rear wheels are not supposed to stand straight up and normal ride height. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth?
Yes - that is the website which inspires me. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 9:33 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth? *Ahem* its actually a $50 paint job and have you seen the Corvair the guy did? http://www.rickwrench.com/index79.htm Its all about how much prep you do. Fred saw the hood I did on my 240D for ~$5 and it looked pretty okay if I do say so myself. If the rest of the car hadn't been a disaster it might have been worth painting to match. I'm convinced that if you take your time you can do just as good a job with a roller as with a gun. It takes longer sure but doesn't require any special amount of skill or equipment. Worst problem I had was that my garage is pretty dirty... -Curt Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 22:52:47 -0500 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] What is a '72 280SEL 4.5 worth? Message-ID: aanlktik8-pvh=p848cm4mz-q_tyld7wnrot2xgxxp...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If it's going to be a garage queen and saved for special occasions, you might want to rethink that $70 bucket and roller paint job. hee hee. ;-) Ed 300E On 19 December 2010 22:40, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: If I bought this car, it would mostly be a garage queen, used for Friday night dates and other social occasions, so I don't think the fuel consumption would be too much of an issue. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 wagon central locking repair
Dieselvolk, Several days ago I found that the central locking on my 124 wagon had ceased to function. It has always been partially crippled, only working from the driver's door, but that was good enough to limp along, but now even the driver's door didn't lock or unlock. I studied the manuals to see how it all works, and found a nice trouble shooting guide. Step 1: confirm power and ground to the pump. Pump is located under carpet under right rear seat, which requires removing the door jamb and pulling up the carpet. Chinee plastic wedges from Harbor Freight do the job nicely. Ground = OK, but power = 0.41 volts = fail. Fuse was fine. The only other connection point labeled is X30, a big junction under the dash somewhere. FSM has a picture which indicates behind the parking brake pedal, so I started removing layers there; driver's carpet, Styrofoam, floor padding, and finally the dead-pedal plastic, which revealed X30. Took a little testing to determine which connector of the six is the right one (hint: only has pin 1 with red/white for power, and pin 3 for ground which of course is brown). No continuity between pin 1 at the X30 connector and the power pin at the pump, so the wire is bad somewhere in between. Note that there is a multi-junction point somewhere between X30 and the pump which feeds power to driver's door, passenger door, and rear gate actuators, but no hint as to where that is in the FSM. Hand-over-hand along the wiring loom would require pulling out the seats and pulling up the carpet, which I don't have time for. If the inner panels for the doors were pulled, I could test at the actuators to see which ones are getting power, which might also help determine the fault location(s), but I don't want to do that yet. I decided to run a new power wire to see if I could restore function. I used a pin salvaged from the old '95 E300 wiring harness at the X30 end of the new wire to connect to 12v power, and then added the new wire to the pin at the pump, so that power is fed down both ends of the old wire. It works! Ran the new wire underneath the rear seat over the left rear door, and then pulled up the door jambs and fed the wire forward to the driver's foot well. Put all the layers and door jambs back in place, and the only place the new wire is visible is at the left rear door jamb (about two inches show between seat cushion and door jamb). Not a perfect fix, but good enough for now. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sil-Glyde
Don't think so - my 'puter displayed the Chinese characters just fine, no installations required. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Archer Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 7:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sil-Glyde Received an MBZ email from E M (Ed) that was followed by a series of characters and numbers. When I tried to open it, a field popped up saying: To display language characters correctly you need to install the following language pack. On the next line it said Chinese simplified. The line would not patch into this email and I didn't install the language pack. Malware? Gerry From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Hi Larry, There has been quite a bit of traffic on the Benz list. If you don't start to receive posts soon, drop me a note, and I'll forward it to Kaleb and see if he can help. I average about 25 or so posts a day from the B list. Take care Larry, Ed 300E On 20 December 2010 17:38, l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Ed - Haven't had any new posts since this one on 12/17 - I know ya'll aren't being THAT quiet. Kaleb -- Ever find a Drivers Door Lock actuator? Thx LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT?
OK Don, I used that with a coupling to press out the LBJs on my '95 E300, and used Rusty's rental press to install the new ($35 to rent it, cost me ~$18 to ship it insured back to Rusty). I also have a couple of sets of 3/4 and 1/2 impact sockets from HF, one of which I used to help press out the joint (socket on the top of the joint, coupling on the bottom to hold the control arm). I will send you the coupling with the M0085, please send it back when you're done. Is January OK to ship? Need to send me your address. A colleague who has a machine shop at his home made this coupling for me. He had a piece of scrap that was almost exactly the right size diameter. He said the material is harder than woodpecker lips and I believe him. I also used a oxygen/Mapp gas torch to heat the control arm at the LBJ to about 500 degrees F (measured using my HF non-contact thermometer) which made the old joints come out very easily. I bought the torch for $55 at our local Tractor Supply store, which is a pretty cool chain similar to Fleet Farm or Farm Fleet. Our local Lowes sells the fuel tanks for it; I've found that I used about four O2 tanks for each Mapp tank. I've used the torch many times now - it really is a nice addition to the tool box! -Max From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 9:54:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT? Is this the HF ball joint press tool that people are using? http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/steering/3-in-1-ball-joint-u-joint-c-frame-press-service-kit-38335.html Other than the fittings, how is it different from a large c-clamp (6)? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
I think your best shot is sending the note to Tom Hanson and asking him about such a demand list. I think that if you keep your continuing use of a Mercedes-Benz at a level of attention with MB (for instance, getting the high mileage badges, ordering parts at the dealer occasionally, maybe using the dealer service department once in a while or more often if inclined), they have a good idea of world-wide population for that model and can forecast parts demand so that they can decide when and how much of a part to put back into production. -Max From: David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 2:29:08 AM Subject: [MBZ] Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar The MB policy of actually supporting their classic community is brilliant, and I am willing to put my money (within reason) on it. As I posted before, I'm becoming impatient with aftermarket parts of questionable provenance and will pay a premium for OE quality. A couple of times now I've gone to order something for my W115 and have been told by the dealer that the part is NLA and we even checked with the Classic Centre. Two parts that come to mind are the rear seat pads and the speaker grill assembly (the one that always shrivels up) on later W114/5 dashboards. Demand for some items like seat pads must be increasing after being close to nil for many years. When I did the interior in my W115 I got what World Uplholstery said was their last set of rear pads, one of which was a NOS genuine part, the other had served as their fitting model when they were testing the covers. A friend is getting set to do his W115, and World confirmed that the pads are NLA. Same story from GAHH and Mercedes directly. A while ago I happened upon a note from Tom Hansen at the Classic Centre that the trim pieces for the R107 were once again available after being NLA for a while. So my question: if the part is NLA, but Mercedes-Benz is restarting production on certain items according to demand, how does one ensure that this demand is actually registered with the company. Is there a way of getting onto a list or something so that these parts become available? Or do I just send a note to Tom? D. PS: to the joy of W116 owners, it appears that those formerly NLA rear seat pads are once again available in the aftermarket (and a bargain!). Not sure how they'll hold up over time, but better than crumbling vestiges of the original... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT?
Yes - what Kaleb said, and it also applies to all the other bushings/joints. -Max From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 8:47:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT? That joint has to go in and out perfectly straight or it wont go at all or will be hard and will bend the press On 12/20/2010 11:01 PM, Fmiser wrote: OK Don wrote: Is this the HF ball joint press tool that people are using? http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/steering/3-in-1-ball-joint-u-joint-c-frame-press-service-kit-38335.html l Other than the fittings, how is it different from a large c-clamp (6)? It's the connection to the fittings that make the difference. Mine worked - once. I had to sledge-hammer it back into shape about 4 times during the pressing of one ball joint. The joint went in. I don't know that the C part is of any use. I have considered welding some _heavy_ side braces onto it... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3327 - Release Date: 12/20/10 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT?
Yes - another good method to use, both for removing and installing. Combined with heat and pressure applied straight/flush, the job isn't too bad at all. -Max From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 8:57:35 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT? I had one joint that didn't want to press in. Rather than springing the press, I put tension on it, maybe 50 ft-lb, then whacked the end of it with a 4 lb hammer, then tighten, whack etc. this way the press came out looking the same as it started. The other side went right in.(jus' like the book sez) OK Don wrote: Is this the HF ball joint press tool that people are using? http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/steering/3-in-1-ball-joint-u-joint-c-frame-press-service-kit-38335.html Other than the fittings, how is it different from a large c-clamp (6)? It's the connection to the fittings that make the difference. Mine worked - once. I had to sledge-hammer it back into shape about 4 times during the pressing of one ball joint. The joint went in. I don't know that the C part is of any use. I have considered welding some _heavy_ side braces onto it... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT?
Yes, I'm sure more economical in the long run, but what I've got is pretty much perfect for what I do now, and it is very compact - fits into a small canvas tool bag $7 from HF, and I can resupply both tanks at most hardware stores, as opposed to the big tanks which probably can only be filled/exchanged at a welding supply place, which around here is only open 8 to 5 on weekdays. -Max From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 9:37:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT? I've found that I used about four O2 tanks for each Mapp tank. At some point you're probably going to wish you'd gotten the full-on smoke wrench. Lots of uses. Heating things quickly, welding, cutting... and you can even use a bright white flame to get rid of a hornet's nest in your trailer hitch. (They attack the flame, not the holder thereof.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
Jaime, Thanks for your info on the W108 - I didn't even know it is a 108. I too think they're only going to go up in value, and I also agree that there's lots of folks on this list (me included) who are bottom feeders and thrive at the 'frugal' end of the scale. I really want to get this car, there's just this little problem of getting the Chairman of the Finance Committee to agree. -Max From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 10:22:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar Hi David, Max is right... the best thing to do it keep in contact with the classic center and Tom Hansen. They're quite dedicated to keeping the enthusiasts well supplied with what they need. There have been parts that go out of stock, then go back in production when demand is suitable. (For example, I think this happened with OM617 300D manual trans flywheels!) Some parts simply can't be produced anymore due to availability of materials, processes that become illegal due to environmental standards, etc. Interior parts are usually the first to go for this reason (for example, leather interiors). W114/5 /8 cars have a great following world wide... I'd expect lots of parts to remain available, even if they need to be sourced in Germany from some of the specialists there in some cases. Its important for us, as a community, to promote the value and collectiblity of these cars. Values of W110s, 111s, and 108s are already shooting up since people are treating them more as rare collectibles, rather than cheap drivers.. /8 cars have been under valued for years. W116s are next (believe me, start buying them!). In a few more years (maybe 10+), everyone will be collecting W123s, and even W126s. Just watch. Which brings up the question asked earlier on the list: How much is a W108 4.5 worth? I didn't say much, but I was shocked to hear $1000. A decent W108 around here is very hard to find, and anything without significant rust is worth $2000+ easy in my opinion. If you can drive it home, its worth $3500+. If there is no major issues, $5000-8000+. A W111 230S just sold locally on eBay for $4600... with a bad, not original, engine. A few years ago, this was a $1000 car. Have a look: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150517197572 Times are a changin' for old Mercedes, and its only going to get better as the values go up and more people start taking them seriously. (And I know lots of people on this list won't believe me!). Jaime On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:29 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: The MB policy of actually supporting their classic community is brilliant, and I am willing to put my money (within reason) on it. As I posted before, I'm becoming impatient with aftermarket parts of questionable provenance and will pay a premium for OE quality. A couple of times now I've gone to order something for my W115 and have been told by the dealer that the part is NLA and we even checked with the Classic Centre. Two parts that come to mind are the rear seat pads and the speaker grill assembly (the one that always shrivels up) on later W114/5 dashboards. Demand for some items like seat pads must be increasing after being close to nil for many years. When I did the interior in my W115 I got what World Uplholstery said was their last set of rear pads, one of which was a NOS genuine part, the other had served as their fitting model when they were testing the covers. A friend is getting set to do his W115, and World confirmed that the pads are NLA. Same story from GAHH and Mercedes directly. A while ago I happened upon a note from Tom Hansen at the Classic Centre that the trim pieces for the R107 were once again available after being NLA for a while. So my question: if the part is NLA, but Mercedes-Benz is restarting production on certain items according to demand, how does one ensure that this demand is actually registered with the company. Is there a way of getting onto a list or something so that these parts become available? Or do I just send a note to Tom? D. PS: to the joy of W116 owners, it appears that those formerly NLA rear seat pads are once again available in the aftermarket (and a bargain!). Not sure how they'll hold up over time, but better than crumbling vestiges of the original... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] Did I hose my rear SLS valve?
For your sake, I sure hope not! However, you still have the original problem to sort out. Perhaps the SLS valve was already dead? I would think that if there was air entrapped, you could loosen the lines at the top of the struts to bleed out the air - that is what I do on my 124 wagon SLS. -Max From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 1:06:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] Did I hose my rear SLS valve? I had to release pressure in the four-wheel SLS system (aka 6.9-style Hydramat) of my Euro 500SEL thanks to a leak at the banjo fitting on the high-pressure side of the hydraulic pump. For some reason the copper washers suddenly decided to not seal well. I used Philip M.'s trick with a propane torch and cold water (thanks, Philip!) to re-anneal them nice and soft. Put things back together, added some fluid, and there's no leak now that I can tell. However, although the suspension idiot light on the dash is out (indicating, I believe, that the overall pressure in the system is within specs), the back end of the car now won't rise up from kneeling-camel position. I had already disconnected the level control valve in the rear from the sway bar, so I was able to reach in from the side with a broom handle and move the arm on the valve slowly up and down for about a minute, which I thought was the proper way to quickly bleed the system. The back end is still all the way down, though. Is there still air in the system, maybe? A greater concern, though, is that, looking at the FSM, I was horrified to see that you're only supposed to move the arm on the level control valve no more than 45 degrees from the central position---too far, and it may result in damage to valve balls and therefore in internal leaking of level controller. I was definitely moving the darn thing past that point. Did I break something? Why didn't they just design the valve so that the arm's range of motion is limited to the safe area? The last one of those valves I saw on eBay went for $850, and while there's a place now that rebuilds SLS and Hydramat parts---www.activesuspensionsystems.com---I haven't even dared to ask them what a valve rebuild would cost. Ack! Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear
The Goon Show! I'd forgotten all about that. Of course, I'm too young to have heard the original broadcasts, but it was re-broadcast well into the '80s. http://www.thegoonshow.net/downloads.asp Have to share this with my brother. -Max From: Fred Moir fred.s...@verizon.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 5:05:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear Alles. Ah! You young whippersnappers! The best was The Goon Show on the radio! Spike Milligan, Peter Sellers, Harry Secombe and Michael Bentine. Those were the days! You really had to exercise your imagination. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 12/21/2010 4:51 PM, E M wrote: Coronation Street gets my vote. It's pretty much a religion over there! Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 16:18, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I think for my generation Dr. Who is the definition of British TV... but I knew about British TV, I grew up on Dr. Who... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
