Theo's new compiler and etiquette both in cyberspace and the 'real world' (was: Re: OT: Re: version info )
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Thus Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake Thu, 01 Nov 2007 05:43:06 -0600: Where's the diffs Timo? Are you going to continue preaching bullshit, and then not showing diffs? (Please see the bottom of the email for my reply. As it used to be.) Thus Coleman Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:03:05 -0400: Timo Schoeler wrote: Thus Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:04:31 -0600: Perfect. You were the last person I suspected to post an answer like this. However: Arguments? Or just polemics and poo? Tough Shit, Timo. Thus Kjell Wooding [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:29:51 -0600: @ragge: please don't top-post and full-quote ;) //mirabilos STOP. there is NOTHING BLOODY WRONG with top-posting. It's like arguing big-endian, little-endian. (and it's his own bloody mailing list) -kj I tend to disagree, mainly because of following (IMHO most important reasons mentioned on that site): *snip* http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html Best regards, Timo (- Big Endian. Like Nature :) *snip sig* Um, I tend to prefer bottom posting myself for many of the reasons outlined. However, I've never had problems parsing or navigating the emails of those who do top-post. But it's annoying and wastes time. I tend to agree with Theo and others here, more time is wasted by dealing with discussions on top vs. bottom posting by numerous email formatting Nazis. I agree with you and others that a useless thread popped up, BUT: I don't agree with Theo as I don't go down onto his crappy discussion level. (I now save much time by now writing what I wanted to.) Generally, I expect plain-text email on a list and as few flame-wars about off-topic points, the merits of which are not a science and more personal preference. True. But this does NOT legitimate offenses. Period. I mean, we're all volunteers here, and we really care more to focus on the project at hand. True. But does that mean to scream at each other like overly civilized people? -- Coleman Best regards, Timo Hi list, hi Theo, IMO it's worse than annoying when language like the one you really like to use is used on a (public) mailing list where grown up people try to do some work -- regardless of being _paid_ for doing this work or doing it _voluntarily_. It's just a question of being _nice_ and paying attention to something like an _etiquette_ people around the world usually do. It's just a matter of fact that _you_ are well known for being 'difficult', having an 'abrasive personality', etc. [0] Also well known (and documented) is your use of language on (not only OpenBSD's) mailing lists. Everybody on the net can use her/his favorite search engine and will get gazillions of hits. Or go to slashdot. Your 'use' of language is almost legendary (but not in a sense that it's positive). There are some things I'd like to point out (mainly to show _why_ this _bothers_ me, and why _you_ should pay attention, too): i) Theo, you are the (main) representative of the OpenBSD project. As such, you have _a mission_. Neither I nor anybody else on the planet thinks it would be an advantage for you or the OpenBSD project to kiss about six billion butts on this planet; but this does NOT mean that you should do quite the opposite of it and scream at everybody except your best 20 developer buddies. Theo, you are well-known thoughout the internet, as well as your use of language which is more coprolalia [1] than communicating. Noteworthy is the fact that, mostly in contrast to the GNU/Linux community, BSD folks are well-known as _mature_ people who know how to behave. It's not only about the work a developer does, but also _how_ he does it -- this includes communications with the rest of the world. This behaviour of yours leads directly to problems with ii) OpenBSD (and the OpenBSD project), and its deployability (also, but not exclusively, at customers). In the past I tried to support the OpenBSD project (this includes _yourself_, just to remind you) as much as I could; I wrote articles in _the_ german Unix magazine [2],[3] covering OpenBSD; I bought the OpenBSD install media, T-Shirts, and other gimmicks; I spread the word, and installed OpenBSD (sometimes even to replace another BSD) instead of GNU/Linux or other OSes at customers' sites; I encouraged customers to support the project by buying the OpenBSD install media or donating money. I could continue this list. BUT: How to explain to a customer why I use an OS and support a project, even try to encourage _others_ to do so, when, at the same time, the main representative of this project -- you, Theo -- bitches around like this. For more than
Re: Theo's new compiler and etiquette both in cyberspace and the 'real world' (was: Re: OT: Re: version info )
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Thus ropers [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:36:24 +0100: I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but Sorry, Could Not Resist: Timo-- There are two ways to read your email: 1. You are trying to make a point about how to best lead the OpenBSD project. 2. You're being a jerk who's venting some kind of irrational pent up anger, and you're trying to publicly smear and humuliate Theo. In case it's (1): I don't know if you noticed, but OpenBSD is under the BSD license. Theo and most OpenBSD developers espouse a no-nonsense, tell-the-truth-consequences-be-darned, code-is-better-than-emails, shut-up-and-hack, it's-about-the-fucking-code-stupid approach. If you really believe that your way works better, go ahead and fork. Make your TimoBSD, where you are absolutely free to set the tone in any way you want. If you really believe that your way works better, then prove your point. Put your words into action and see if you attract more and better developers and if you can produce better code with TimoBSD. OpenBSD is widely considered the most secure OS bar none, has only had 2 remote exploits in over 10 years, yadda, yadda, yadda. The NetBSD bellends argued similarly to what's in your email, and OpenBSD, after starting as a NetBSD fork, is now twice as popular as NetBSD, without even ever trying to win any kind of popularity contests. ( http://tinyurl.com/28zowl ) I dare say, Theo has been proved correct. But again, if you want to revisit the old and lame style-vs-substance debate, go right ahead. Code is better than emails. Try to make TimoBSD have better code than OpenBSD with your style over substance approach. I dare you and I double-dare you. See how far you get. Which part of my email did you actually read _and_ understand? The subject? In case it's (2): I have recently learned that it can on occasion be quite helpful to seek assistance from qualified mental health professionals. I would kindly suggest you do the same. Too little, too late, pal. You have to _learn_ polemics before trying to use it. Sincerely, --ropers Best regards, Timo iD8DBQFHLayjUY3eBSqOgOMRCnoPAJ0YNmy88nHnz2bxdDB9nUFdU0ckRQCdFbPj qcVnuYYDkxdrOvPZp7HxN8k= =NUjT -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Theo's new compiler and etiquette both in cyberspace and the 'real world' (was: Re: OT: Re: version info )
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Thus Graham Gower [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:29:06 +1030: On 04/11/2007, Timo Schoeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Hi Timo, Could you please stop spamming the mailing lists I subscribe to. Your list? Or have something to hide? :) I'm only interested in the technical discussions. No, you are not, that's why you responded. Just hitting the 'delete' button of you MUA or pressing the appropriate keystrokes would have deleted the message you are complaining about loudly; responding eats many more CPU cycles. Thanks, Graham You're welcome, Timo :) iD8DBQFHLa1lUY3eBSqOgOMRCkZPAJwMeltAz2s9V74Nh87jSadNiCguOQCgii7c aWGdpFuydLNmQtAqcMmfMuE= =ZQcy -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Theo's new compiler and etiquette both in cyberspace and the 'real world' (was: Re: OT: Re: version info )
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Thus vivek khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:40:35 +: On 11/4/07, ropers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but Sorry, Could Not Resist: Not feeding a troll is better than posting childish replies like the one you posted. regards VK What is a troll, btw? Someone who's raising a discussion to keep something alive or enhance things? Best regards, Timo iD8DBQFHLb3rUY3eBSqOgOMRCgr4AKCI71WibABmEynLYmI5Cr1ukxeu5gCdE/uM gbefugBE2pQ7aQMVKpfJUQg= =Ep1E -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: OT: Re: Theo's new compiler and etiquette both in cyberspace and the 'real world'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Thus Simon 'corecode' Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake Sun, 04 Nov 2007 13:15:27 +0100: Timo Schoeler wrote: Thus Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake Thu, 01 Nov 2007 05:43:06 -0600: Where's the diffs Timo? Are you going to continue preaching bullshit, and then not showing diffs? (Please see the bottom of the email for my reply. As it used to be.) [massive fullquote] Hi list, hi Theo, [OT rant] Who are you to complain about top-posting and then running in a fullquote? A member of this fucking email lists. :) Who are you to waste precious developer time by writing such a nonsensical mail to multiple(!) mailing lists? Dito. Who are you wanting to teach manners to a grown up? Ouch. Who is the grown up? Theo? No, he continually uses the language of a three-year-old child stuck in the anal phase. You? No. Grown ups are able to _discuss_. You are not. Your goal might be noble, See. but in this context you're nothing but a troll, since the moment you appeared on this list. Fuck! (sic) Ah. That hurts s much. Grow up and ignore the stuff you don't like or simply walk away. What part of my email did *you* read _and_ understand? Obviously _not_ the part that I _like_ OpenBSD, but I _dislike_ how it's being destroyed? :) That was the last brownie from me, no more food for you. I don't take food from you either, so don't mind. simon Have a nice day! Timo iD8DBQFHLb11UY3eBSqOgOMRCmiwAJ0fRAsQjz5kcPBYShgSpwlfPtDBoACfQ3a7 tjCaqEDTHALSAi72YwGdbWg= =tOjm -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Theo's new compiler and etiquette both in cyberspace and the 'real world' (was: Re: OT: Re: version info )
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Thus ropers [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake Sun, 4 Nov 2007 14:22:43 +0100: On 04/11/2007, ropers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but Sorry, Could Not Resist: (...) If you really believe that your way works better, go ahead and fork. Make your TimoBSD, where you are absolutely free to set the tone in any way you want. If you really believe that your way works better, then prove your point. Put your words into action and see if you attract more and better developers and if you can produce better code with TimoBSD. OpenBSD is widely considered the most secure OS bar none, has only had 2 remote exploits in over 10 years, yadda, yadda, yadda. The NetBSD bellends argued similarly to what's in your email, and OpenBSD, after starting as a NetBSD fork, is now twice as popular as NetBSD, without even ever trying to win any kind of popularity contests. ( http://tinyurl.com/28zowl ) I dare say, Theo has been proved correct. But again, if you want to revisit the old and lame style-vs-substance debate, go right ahead. Code is better than emails. Try to make TimoBSD have better code than OpenBSD with your style over substance approach. I dare you and I double-dare you. See how far you get. Second thought, you don't even have to fork. Your TimoBSD already exists. It's called NetBSD. You developer are _that_ bad in logic? YMMD, thanks. You can go right ahead and join them. Where's your facts? I pointed out how OpenBSD could receive more donations. They rule by committee, You missed the recent developments WRT Wasabi. You obviously miss the point that without NetBSD OpenBSD would just _not exist_. (There's it again, this 'logic' thingie.) they are known to have been nice (i.e. politically correct but inhumane and bonkers**), and I'm sure with your masterful efforts you will lead them to world domination. Talk to your psychiatrist, maybe (s)he really can fix your problem, just to paraphrase you. --ropers **For crissakes, they even substituted their really cool logo with a bland flag, for fear of offending their valued anti-swearing, evolution-denying reborn US-American Christian audience. Is that _my_ problem? Best wishes, Timo iD8DBQFHLeFbUY3eBSqOgOMRCqi/AJ9XE44WQLru5oq3OSas0lsmGkPHJwCdESmX 095eKaY0EVYzb64rhVSoRCM= =Sq0s -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: OT: Re: Theo's new compiler and etiquette both in cyberspace and the 'real world'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Thus William Pitcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake Sun, 04 Nov 2007 09:17:53 -0600: On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 13:39 +0100, Timo Schoeler wrote: What part of my email did *you* read _and_ understand? Obviously _not_ the part that I _like_ OpenBSD, but I _dislike_ how it's being destroyed? :) Then fork OpenBSD. No reason. Sitting here and whining about how it is being destroyed just makes you look like a jerk. First, I'm not whining. I pointed something out. That's a big difference even a developer should know. (I do.) Second, it does not really affect _me_ if OpenBSD passes by. But it will affect others. Being Cassandra always was a job nobody wanted to have. BSD puts the power in the your hands to fix things when you don't like how they are going. This is done by forking. Then why don't you fork instead of answering to this email? If everything was a perfect world, then there would only be one version of BSD which solved everybody's problems, one distribution of Linux which solved everybody's problems, etcetera, but it isn't. (No. There were no computers.) If you're not willing to fork, or provide objective criticism What part of my email did you actually read _and_ understand? (I like this sentence!) of something other than Theo is an asshole I _did_ _not_ _write_ this. (I mean come on, we've heard about this for like 15+ years), Obviously, there must be a reason for this, no? then that makes you an asshole too. Logic. While Theo might not have the best etiquette, at least he gives a damn, and really when it comes to it, that's all that matters, because BSD and free software in general are about _computing_, not manners and etiquette. What a tiny world you live in. Who uses computers? Think of Henry Ford. Best wishes, Timo iD8DBQFHLecDUY3eBSqOgOMRCu7WAKCtwy0qC/TmhZqzIbMKZEPy0+uqAgCffh+C Yg7jMg1F+EvUiK4xPprWiSI= =qMJx -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Idle sessions dying on crappy router: How to increase TCP keepalive?
Hi list, on a customers' site I have a problem connecting from within their LAN (OpenBSD machine) crossing their router (Linksys BEFSX41, doing NAT) to a machine on the internet via SSH: Sessions die after some time due to 'timeouts'. If the connection is not used heavily (e.g. showing top(1)) it dies (the router clearing it's session cache); it's a well-known issue with this kind of customer-class devices (lots of entries on your favorite search engine). A solution (for GNU/Linux) would be to increase /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time as I got from a newsgroup; however, on OpenBSD I just see net.inet.tcp.keepinittime net.inet.tcp.keepidle net.inet.tcp.keepintvl I tried to increase (and decrease, just to determine if there's any difference) net.inet.tcp.keepidle, but it didn't make a difference. Think I'm using the wrong knob -- is there something similar on OpenBSD (like tcp_keepalive_time) to cheat on the NAT thing? (And, yes, using a WRAP board running OpenBSD as router works perfectly well in the same environment; however, the Linksys has to stay there...) TIA, Timo
Re: Idle sessions dying on crappy router: How to increase TCP keepalive?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Thus Tony Sarendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:16:21 +0100: On 10/20/07, Timo Schoeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list, on a customers' site I have a problem connecting from within their LAN (OpenBSD machine) crossing their router (Linksys BEFSX41, doing NAT) to a machine on the internet via SSH: Sessions die after some time due to 'timeouts'. If the connection is not used heavily (e.g. showing top(1)) it dies (the router clearing it's session cache); it's a well-known issue with this kind of customer-class devices (lots of entries on your favorite search engine). A solution (for GNU/Linux) would be to increase /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time as I got from a newsgroup; however, on OpenBSD I just see net.inet.tcp.keepinittime net.inet.tcp.keepidle net.inet.tcp.keepintvl I tried to increase (and decrease, just to determine if there's any difference) net.inet.tcp.keepidle, but it didn't make a difference. Think I'm using the wrong knob -- is there something similar on OpenBSD (like tcp_keepalive_time) to cheat on the NAT thing? (And, yes, using a WRAP board running OpenBSD as router works perfectly well in the same environment; however, the Linksys has to stay there...) TIA, Timo You can ask ssh to do keepalives for you. Look at the ServerAliveInterval and ClientAliveInterval in ssh. /Tony Thanks! :) Timo iD8DBQFHGjySUY3eBSqOgOMRCmtlAJ420lPBP+YXuqoEdBdCD6nUja2RwgCeJUJ+ SpVAuNTY5Eq8JAAffMbwgvY= =+OzY -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Get developers some big machines to support more RAM
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi list, myself in need to build some big, phat machines (8GByte, or even 16GByte RAM) for a customer that run OpenBSD *and* having seen (again) a discussion on 'how much RAM is supported' [0] I decided to i) write this email to see if there's more people interested in having the ability to address more RAM running OpenBSD; ii) just sent my donation to the project. - From 'want.html' [1]: An amd64 with more than 4 GB RAM for hacking on large memory support in i386 and amd64, needed in London, UK. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] AMD64 or EM64T machine with 8GB+ of RAM (or $1700 to buy one) needed in Edmonton. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] So it'd be nice to reach $1700 (or more, obviously ;)... Anyone? [0] -- http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=articlesid=20071007002942pid=6mode=expanded [1] -- http://www.openbsd.org/want.html iD8DBQFHCfFuUY3eBSqOgOMRChPnAJ46iQwhZ8+R3uaFXvnUqtjS9ZfM3gCgphex +ec+lWhOKP2XvHNA/lc41mo= =IhwU -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Any users in Portugal?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi lists, I'd very much appreciate it to hear from BSD users in Portugal as I'm relocating there. :) Any response very much appreciated (please PM me directly). Cheers, Timo iD8DBQFHA591UY3eBSqOgOMRCjV5AJ46RY/LrNWfCwL73yMBZsiZ8gLh+QCdEwCW 2DuijKxPyyuHUkxEoi/mXgo= =6Lfi -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Soekris vpn1401 and vpn1411 (use Hi/fn 7955 security accelerator chip) supported?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi list, I'd like to speed up SSL/TLS connections to my tiny WRAP-based [0] server; from what I got from the net, Soekris vpn1201 and vpn1211 are 'discontinued' (those use a Hi/fn 7951 security accelerator chip) [1], but are listed as supported by OpenBSD [2]. Is there anyone using the *newer* boards, vpn1401 and vpn1411 (Hi/fn 7955 security accelerator chip) [3], successfully (I found some people reporting weird behaviour with these boards [4])? [0] -- http://pcengines.ch/wrap.htm [1] -- http://www.soekris.com/vpn1201.htm [2] -- http://openbsd.org/crypto.html#hardware http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=hifnsektion=4 [3] -- http://www.soekris.com/vpn1401.htm [4] -- http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/2007-05/thread.html#295 iD8DBQFG/5LkqPA9prlyiHMRAsltAJ9dk0Fsii0KbUMpkJbJ4MvcfEwMeQCeMxnK pqL3/lqytpkxdSuVuL41oUE= =YwTo -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Show your appreciation and get your 4.2 DVD
thus Julian Leyh spake: On 19:03 Thu 06 Sep , Daniel Ouellet wrote: So, what are you waiting for... Go do it! done. Ordered CD Set and T-Shirt. Same here. Finally, as I didn't celebrate my birthday this year due to total lack of time, some packet to be excited of to receive :)
Re: communism is good
thus Jack J. Woehr spake: On Sep 5, 2007, at 1:08 PM, Timo Schoeler wrote: thus Jack J. Woehr spake: On Sep 5, 2007, at 11:32 AM, Gaby Vanhegan wrote: On 5 Sep 2007, at 18:13, Nick Guenther wrote: On 9/5/07, Josef Stalin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: communism is good, openbsd comrades. it is very nice. Party on. In communist russia, OpenBSD develops you! Efter the rewolution, kumrad, all will be havink BSD-licensed open source and you will be likink it! Err, Russia != U.S.A. People are NOT illiterates in Russia. Da, ja ponimaju! That's just a punchline from a corny old English joke circa 1920 about Hyde Park revolutionary orators. Ah, I see. The 'in communist russia' thing was understood, but not the BSD part :) Patria o muerte! Venceremos! :)
Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
Thus Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Tue, 4 Sep 2007 18:38:09 +0100: On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 11:37:00AM -0500, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: On Saturday 01 September 2007 17:49, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 04:40:53PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: Most dictionaries I had at my hand define alternative as choices. You can get http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alternative Wow. Let's all go practice law with a dictionary. ? But you mentioned dictionaries first... You do realize that when it comes to legal documents, such as licenses, that general-purpose dictionaries are inadequate, right? If you want to look up legal terms, you need a law dictionary. I think that if one is ignorant enough of law that one needs to consult a legal dictionary for more than one or two terms in order to understand a document, then perhaps it would be best to either do a lot of studying to become more knowledgeable, or find someone with more legal training to interpret the document. As a layperson with little in-depth knowledge of legal code, that's how i see things anyway. I think that if *alternative* means both at the same time in any reputable dictionary (legal or not), Show those. Besides this, it is WRONG. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alternative Hence the meaning of ALTERNATIVE: NOT all at the same time. Maybe you need a Heisenberg experience to understand? then I'm on a parallel reality for sure. Obviously, yes. Other than that, you're just being pretentious. Please, let this thread die. Timo
Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
Thus Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:52:59 +0100: On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 09:41:04PM +0200, Timo Schoeler wrote: I think that if *alternative* means both at the same time in any reputable dictionary (legal or not), Show those. Besides this, it is WRONG. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alternative Hence the meaning of ALTERNATIVE: NOT all at the same time. Maybe you need a Heisenberg experience to understand? Are you lying intentionally? Given that you live in a parallel world where everything is *^-1, I'm saying the truth. Fine, good that you realize that. NOT all at the same time is far from the definition of the word in that page (which I had already linked to). Huh? 1. A situation which allows a choice between two or more possibilities. You are standing at the edge of Niagara Falls (as a matter of fact, your parallel reality might not know something like this, so have a look here [0]). You have the CHOICE of jumping OR stepping back. You do NOT have the possibility to do BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. (Given your not at least an Angel or something similar.) 2. A choice between two or more possibilities. Aha. 3. One of several things which can be chosen. One. Of N. Very clear, isn't it? All implying only one, and not both. Yes, and why do you state the opposite? then I'm on a parallel reality for sure. Obviously, yes. Glad to. Yes, you'd be an all-time winner of the Darwin Awards [1] in this universe. Other than that, you're just being pretentious. Please, let this thread die. Glad you're helping it. Even your universe surely knows people use polemics when running out of facts. Rui Timo [0] -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niagara_Falls [1] -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_Awards
Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
thus Rui Miguel Silva Seabra spake: On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 10:32:05AM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote: Because of the choice between licenses you can either choose to adhere to the GPL (thus forcing you to open up your changes) ^^^ That is false, only if software is distributed. What is of course not your intention... :D or alternatively you can choose the BSD and either give your patches back or not. Either give your patches back or not is also available on the GNU GPL as long as you don't distribute software. Dito. Totally pointless, this discussion. Still, you can't remove either of the licenses, you have to pass on the rights you have gotten from the original copyright holder down to anybody else you are giving this too. Well, no. The original copyright holder gave you a choice: either BSD or GPL Yes, BUT (s)he thought that the guy choosing has morals and a brain; obviously (s)he didn't think of the GNU/Linux lunatics. And especially if you would be giving the file down to the author only under GPL your are limiting their freedom, which is not the intent of the original copyright holder and also something you fortunately can't be doing. Tough luck. If you don't like the licensing, then don't use the code at all, don't even look at it. Likewise, if you don't like the GPL, don't let it be a choice for other users. If your problem is that people don't give back, You did not understand; it's not about DOING, it's about BEING ALLOWED TO USE WHAT IS GIVEN BACK. Reread this in the original post until you understand it (and beware of deadlocks). go knock on certain vendors who profit from OpenSSH without contributin anything back. Oh wait... they don't have to, have they? :) No, they don't have to, and that has been clear from the start of the project; the issue discussed that you're trying to raise is a MORAL thing. YOU are introducing the one-way street here, nobody else. Rui Timo
Re: 10G cards for 4.2
Stephan Andre' schrieb: I'm looking at the possibility of helping get a 10G speed network running. This is new territory to me--for OpenBSD purposes, are there more solid drivers out there? I'm told that the machine would want to exchange a lot of data, constantly (video stuff). Part of my consideration would also be what 10G companies have been open source friendly with hardware, etc. If I can I'd like to spend money somewhere that deserves it. Ideas? Thanks, STeve Andre' Hi, there was something on undeadly recently: http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=articlesid=20070430050134 furthermore, there's 10G adapters listed on the appropriate platforms' site (e.g., http://www.openbsd.org/amd64.html). HTH, Timo
Re: pagedaemon: deadlock detected
thus Chris Kuethe spake: On 8/2/07, Timo Schoeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, i have an amd64 system running for about six months now flawlessly (however, due to following -current, not with uptimes 10 days). today it crashed twice when i had two torrents active (not very big ones, one 900MByte and one 1300MByte in size -- i did use this machine for far bigger ones, with rtorrent running several instances in parallel, without problems). check out PRs 5517 and 5496 - they include a diff which may help you. CK hi, i applied the patch to a -current system checked out and built about twelve hours ago; since then the machine runs happily with both rtorrent instances. if i can provide more information on this issue especially with regards to why it did *not* fix the problem on Frank Denis' Net4801, please let me know. thanks again best, timo
pagedaemon: deadlock detected
hi, i have an amd64 system running for about six months now flawlessly (however, due to following -current, not with uptimes 10 days). today it crashed twice when i had two torrents active (not very big ones, one 900MByte and one 1300MByte in size -- i did use this machine for far bigger ones, with rtorrent running several instances in parallel, without problems). the hardware is okay, i'm sure it is; the machine uses ECC RAM and is cooled very good (besides running on an Athlon64 3500+ EE SFF, which means a TDP of 35Watt) with several big fans and a gigantic copper/heatpipe heatspreader on the CPU to make it SILENT. unfortunately, the machine does NOT have a serial port that could provide some more information, i'm stuck on the console which spits out: 'pagedaemon: deadlock detected' in very high speed. i can still change between the tty's, but cannot type to login or anything else. ssh is dead. apache dies. didn't try ICMP, though. dmesg applied -- thanks for any hint! timo --- OpenBSD 4.2-beta (GENERIC) #6: Tue Jul 31 10:43:55 CEST 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC real mem = 1055444992 (1006MB) avail mem = 1013542912 (966MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xf (70 entries) bios0: ASUSTek Computer INC. M2NPV-VM acpi0 at mainbus0: rev 0 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP SSDT MCFG APIC acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 4 (HUB0) acpicpu0 at acpi0 PSS acpicpu1 at acpi0 acpitz0 at acpi0, critical temperature: 75 degC acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB cpu0 at mainbus0: (uniprocessor) cpu0: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+, 2204.92 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SSE3,CX16,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: PowerNow! K8 2204 MHz: speeds: 2200 2000 1800 1000 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 NVIDIA C51 Host rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 not configured NVIDIA C51 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 1 not configured NVIDIA C51 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 2 not configured NVIDIA C51 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 3 not configured NVIDIA C51 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 4 not configured NVIDIA C51 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 5 not configured NVIDIA C51 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 6 not configured NVIDIA C51 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 7 not configured ppb0 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 NVIDIA C51 PCIE rev 0xa1 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 ppb1 at pci0 dev 3 function 0 NVIDIA C51 PCIE rev 0xa1 pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 ppb2 at pci0 dev 4 function 0 NVIDIA C51 PCIE rev 0xa1 pci3 at ppb2 bus 3 vga1 at pci0 dev 5 function 0 NVIDIA GeForce 6150 rev 0xa2 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) NVIDIA MCP51 Host rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 9 function 0 not configured pcib0 at pci0 dev 10 function 0 NVIDIA MCP51 ISA rev 0xa3 nviic0 at pci0 dev 10 function 1 NVIDIA MCP51 SMBus rev 0xa3 iic0 at nviic0 iic1 at nviic0 NVIDIA MCP51 Memory rev 0xa3 at pci0 dev 10 function 2 not configured ohci0 at pci0 dev 11 function 0 NVIDIA MCP51 USB rev 0xa3: irq 5, version 1.0, legacy support ehci0 at pci0 dev 11 function 1 NVIDIA MCP51 USB rev 0xa3: irq 10 usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0: NVIDIA EHCI root hub, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 pciide0 at pci0 dev 13 function 0 NVIDIA MCP51 IDE rev 0xa1: DMA, channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility pciide0: channel 0 disabled (no drives) atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0 scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: _NEC, DVD_RW ND-4570A, 1.02 SCSI0 5/cdrom removable cd0(pciide0:1:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2 pciide1 at pci0 dev 14 function 0 NVIDIA MCP51 SATA rev 0xa1: DMA pciide1: using irq 5 for native-PCI interrupt wd0 at pciide1 channel 0 drive 0: WDC WD2500YD-01NVB1 wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 239372MB, 490234752 sectors wd0(pciide1:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 5 pciide2 at pci0 dev 15 function 0 NVIDIA MCP51 SATA rev 0xa1: DMA pciide2: using irq 11 for native-PCI interrupt ppb3 at pci0 dev 16 function 0 NVIDIA MCP51 PCI-PCI rev 0xa2 pci4 at ppb3 bus 4 TI TSB43AB22 FireWire rev 0x00 at pci4 dev 5 function 0 not configured pciide3 at pci4 dev 8 function 0 Promise PDC40718 rev 0x02: DMA wd1 at pciide3 channel 3 drive 0: WDC WD2500YD-01NVB1 wd1: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 239372MB, 490234752 sectors wd1(pciide3:3:0): using BIOS timings, Ultra-DMA mode 6 pciide3: using irq 5 for native-PCI interrupt fxp0 at pci4 dev 9 function 0 Intel 8255x rev 0x0c, i82550: irq 11, address 00:02:b3:8e:29:83 inphy0 at fxp0 phy 1: i82555 10/100
[followup] pagedaemon: deadlock detected
hi, maybe this is somewhat connected to kernel/5496 and kernel/5517? i'll apply the patch and track this issue. any hints appreciated. thanks, timo
Re: pagedaemon: deadlock detected
thus xSAPPYx spake: What does df -i show? maybe you filled up a disk or ran out of inodes? no, the hard drives are barely used; maximum inodes used is 15% (on /); the rest is way lower than 10%. On 8/2/07, Timo Schoeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, i have an amd64 system running for about six months now flawlessly (however, due to following -current, not with uptimes 10 days). today it crashed twice when i had two torrents active (not very big ones, one 900MByte and one 1300MByte in size -- i did use this machine for far bigger ones, with rtorrent running several instances in parallel, without problems). the hardware is okay, i'm sure it is; the machine uses ECC RAM and is cooled very good (besides running on an Athlon64 3500+ EE SFF, which means a TDP of 35Watt) with several big fans and a gigantic copper/heatpipe heatspreader on the CPU to make it SILENT. unfortunately, the machine does NOT have a serial port that could provide some more information, i'm stuck on the console which spits out: 'pagedaemon: deadlock detected' in very high speed. i can still change between the tty's, but cannot type to login or anything else. ssh is dead. apache dies. didn't try ICMP, though. dmesg applied -- thanks for any hint!
Re: carp: knocked out by adding cables?
thus Jacob Yocom-Piatt spake: i was redoing some ethernet cabling in the office and made 2 connections between 2 switches before i pulled one connection. shortly after plugging in the second cable the pair of webservers that use carp sans preemption got confused, causing a failover to the backup machine. here is a quick clarification of the cabling switch 1A---switch 2 \--B--/ where making connection B caused the drama. switch 1 is a nice managed switch and switch 2 is a random POS. is this the expected behavior with carp when a cabling topology like this comes up sans trunking, etc? clues about what happened would be great. cheers, jake Since 'A' is a managed switch: What about STP (Spanning Tree, 802.1D), is it enabled? Is 'A' the root bridge (should be, if it's the only one)? Timo
Re: Macbook on Openbsd
thus Karl SjC6dahl - dunceor spake: Because I like the design? And I liked the challenge that everything didn't work 100%? That's a standard feature of Apple hardware (at least since Mr. Jobs returned; this said by an ex-ACSE)... On 7/28/07, Greg Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/28/07, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want an OS-war, go and play on some other maillist, I do not like it and I do not want to have it on my laptop. Easy as that. If you mean that you don't want to run OS X then why didn't you get a Thinkpad? Why did you get a Mac if you want to run only OpenBSD on it? Greg
Re: OpenBSD Berlin?
change president with mild dictator, if you please Forget it. ok, that makes it: hard dictator ... in this case I will look for a nice wall and a AK47 ;-) i recently watched four documentaries on atomic and hydrogen bombs... errr. ooops. WHO'S INTERESTED? - he screamed I do So, there is not OpenBSD user group in berlin yet? there has been a Berlin Unix User Group a while ago ... what i got from several forums (archives) it died in 2004 it seems we're two of us... three ... at least (it's even more in the meantime :) If there was a group in Berlin they'd read these emails, wouldn't they I admit: I don't like the german 'Pils' either; wine is fine, especially portuguese wine. wrong: especially _Spanish_ wine :) freedom of choice is a nice thing, as long as we still have it :/ So this is the last call: --- anybody interested? --- yes, obviously If so, please email Timo and me, so that we do not overwhelm this mailing list with our messages [there were much worse threads than this ;) ] Cheers, Pau greez from Prenzlauer Berg ... timo, near virchow
Re: GENERIC: #option MTRR
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thus Die Gestalt [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:21:52 +0200: Everytime you use the option MTRR a kitten dies. Bad Pentium Pro-Charma? On 7/19/07, Timo Schoeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi misc@, just out of curiosity: What's the reason for MTRR being disabled by default? Thanks for enlightment, Timo :) iD8DBQFGoLrh689t39h/zfARAs7CAJ9RliH4FNkkPp+uJc6W4KaMzTK5VACgxXeS 6GUSASrydo73o+5++6WmlvQ= =bZdw -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: OpenBSD Berlin?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thus Vim Visual [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:35:39 +0200: I am using ion/wmii either, Timo... and my site is more... elaborated than yours, it's not incompatible. But I like simplicity too! Nah, it means that if you're using a desktop heavily overl0ad3d with eyecandy (Aqua, Vista, KDE, ...) you'll be annoyed by the very lightweight appearance of the site ;) if you get into the S1 from Schoeneberg in direction to Potsdam in ~15 min you'll see somebody wearing the obsd 3.6 t-shirt cool. i guess i should choose one of mine and take a trip, eh? (some beer near you? :) well, it's nice to see I'm not alone in this mailing list Pau Is there something like an OpenBSD user group in berlin? If not, why not fund it? Timo 2007/7/18, Timo Schoeler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: thus Vim Visual spake: Hi, inspired by the Zurich email, I would like to ask here whether there is somebody from / living in Berlin in this list Cheers, Pau Always wanted to post this: We have some really addicted OpenBSD freaks here in Berlin -- this guy opened Wim's packet after it arrived at my house even before I had the chance to check its content... http://riscworks.net/images/OpenBSD/checking1.jpg http://riscworks.net/images/OpenBSD/checking2.jpg Seems he also likes Puffy a lot ;) Timo iD8DBQFGn2Ou689t39h/zfARAvYUAJ9S8wf3FcAVWywCn6+1Ew+W1b3UmgCfb3Ga 9xJ6mV1kDm9gXJKXTAM3OAg= =BuR3 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: OpenBSD Berlin?
Thus Vim Visual [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:18:37 +0200: well, it's nice to see I'm not alone in this mailing list Pau Is there something like an OpenBSD user group in berlin? If not, why not fund it? Timo good idea! I'll be the president for life, ok? 'I've said it before, and I'll say it again: democracy just doesn't work. (Kent Brockman, anchorman of Channel 6) next step? * Find more people interested? * choose a beer supplier. Pau Timo
Re: OpenBSD Berlin?
Thus Vim Visual [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:57:29 +0200: 'I've said it before, and I'll say it again: democracy just doesn't work. (Kent Brockman, anchorman of Channel 6) change president with mild dictator, if you please Forget it. * Find more people interested? WHO'S INTERESTED? - he screamed So, there is not OpenBSD user group in berlin yet? * choose a beer supplier. what about wine? I'll be it if it's wine I admit: I don't like the german 'Pils' either; wine is fine, especially portuguese wine.
GENERIC: #option MTRR
Hi misc@, just out of curiosity: What's the reason for MTRR being disabled by default? Thanks for enlightment, Timo :)
Re: Zurich OpenBSD
thus Peter N. M. Hansteen spake: Anton Karpov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People who don't know each other but wears PUFFY, should salute each other. It's an OpenBSD thing. You wouldn't understand ;-) obviously the salute would need to be clearly specified or at least set to sensible defaults (for Monty Python values of) RFC, anyone? :) My coffee had just run out, so no keyboard harmed. Timo
Re: OpenBSD Berlin?
howdy, Hi, inspired by the Zurich email, I would like to ask here whether there is somebody from / living in Berlin in this list Cheers, Pau yap, me: http://timo-schoeler.de http://riscworks.net (sometimes on the metro wearing one of several puffy t-shirts ;) cheers, timo
Re: OpenBSD Berlin?
thus Vim Visual spake: Hi, inspired by the Zurich email, I would like to ask here whether there is somebody from / living in Berlin in this list Cheers, Pau Always wanted to post this: We have some really addicted OpenBSD freaks here in Berlin -- this guy opened Wim's packet after it arrived at my house even before I had the chance to check its content... http://riscworks.net/images/OpenBSD/checking1.jpg http://riscworks.net/images/OpenBSD/checking2.jpg Seems he also likes Puffy a lot ;) Timo
Port to IBM RS/6000?
Hi, if there's anyone interested in doing a port to RS/6000, I'd like to donate some hardware for this, e.g. a 7044-170 (Power3-II) machine, or RAM for some 7028 server. Timo
Re: Port to IBM RS/6000?
Douglas Allan Tutty schrieb: On Sat, Jul 14, 2007 at 12:54:12PM +0100, Timo Schoeler wrote: if there's anyone interested in doing a port to RS/6000, I'd like to donate some hardware for this, e.g. a 7044-170 (Power3-II) machine, or RAM for some 7028 server. I can't do a port but I wish there were one. I have a specific need for a/some powerful but low-frequency computer(s). I had the option of getting some 7025-H50s but I couldn't find any free OS that would boot on the test machine. Netbooting isn't an option for me so I need the installer to media to boot. Good luck. Doug. Well, at the moment I have AIX 5.3 on that machine (before that, it was 5.1 with which it was delivered to me). I also tried G*ntoo, but well, *cough* ;) Timo
Re: Port to IBM RS/6000?
thus Douglas Allan Tutty spake: On Sat, Jul 14, 2007 at 02:55:32PM +0100, Timo Schoeler wrote: Well, at the moment I have AIX 5.3 on that machine (before that, it was 5.1 with which it was delivered to me). I also tried G*ntoo, but well, *cough* ;) AIX isn't free in any sense. I would be happy if IBM wanted to keep me in up-to-date AIX without me continually spending money but that's not going to happen. Doug. Didn't write that AIX is free; wrote of GNU/Linux because it is 'sort of free', in some weird minds at least. ;)
weird sysctl sensors output
hi misc@, i'm working on getting the sensors' output into some nice graphs; however, having a look at their output now and then, i get some strange values: hw.sensors.acpitz0.temp0=40.05 degC (zone temperature) hw.sensors.it0.temp0=28.00 degC hw.sensors.it0.temp1=37.00 degC hw.sensors.it0.temp2=25.00 degC hw.sensors.it0.fan0=10546 RPM (here the fan is obviously much too fast; occasionally i see 25.000RPM) seconds later: hw.sensors.acpitz0.temp0=40.05 degC (zone temperature) hw.sensors.it0.temp0=7.00 degC hw.sensors.it0.temp1=34.00 degC hw.sensors.it0.temp2=24.00 degC hw.sensors.it0.fan0=2636 RPM (there temp0 is far too low; fan is okay) dmesg below; this machine idles around almost all of its time, doing some mail server stuff for a small site -- that's all. some hints (or a single, problem-solving one ;) very much appreciated. thanks, timo ps: this happens running very recent -current from yesterday as well as running 4.1-RELEASE... --- OpenBSD 4.1-current (GENERIC) #0: Thu Jul 5 20:44:48 CEST 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC real mem = 1055444992 (1006MB) avail mem = 1013592064 (966MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xf (70 entries) bios0: ASUSTek Computer INC. M2NPV-VM acpi0 at mainbus0: rev 0 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP SSDT MCFG APIC acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 4 (HUB0) acpicpu0 at acpi0 PSS acpicpu1 at acpi0 acpitz0 at acpi0, critical temperature: 75 degC acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB cpu0 at mainbus0: (uniprocessor) cpu0: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+, 2204.94 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SSE3,CX16,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: PowerNow! K8 2204 MHz: speeds: 2200 2000 1800 1000 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 NVIDIA C51 Host rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 not configured NVIDIA C51 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 1 not configured NVIDIA C51 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 2 not configured NVIDIA C51 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 3 not configured NVIDIA C51 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 4 not configured NVIDIA C51 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 5 not configured NVIDIA C51 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 6 not configured NVIDIA C51 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 7 not configured ppb0 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 NVIDIA C51 PCIE rev 0xa1 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 ppb1 at pci0 dev 3 function 0 NVIDIA C51 PCIE rev 0xa1 pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 ppb2 at pci0 dev 4 function 0 NVIDIA C51 PCIE rev 0xa1 pci3 at ppb2 bus 3 vga1 at pci0 dev 5 function 0 NVIDIA GeForce 6150 rev 0xa2 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) NVIDIA MCP51 Host rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 9 function 0 not configured pcib0 at pci0 dev 10 function 0 NVIDIA MCP51 ISA rev 0xa3 nviic0 at pci0 dev 10 function 1 NVIDIA MCP51 SMBus rev 0xa3 iic0 at nviic0 iic1 at nviic0 NVIDIA MCP51 Memory rev 0xa3 at pci0 dev 10 function 2 not configured ohci0 at pci0 dev 11 function 0 NVIDIA MCP51 USB rev 0xa3: irq 5, version 1.0, legacy support ehci0 at pci0 dev 11 function 1 NVIDIA MCP51 USB rev 0xa3: irq 11 usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0: NVIDIA EHCI root hub, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 pciide0 at pci0 dev 13 function 0 NVIDIA MCP51 IDE rev 0xa1: DMA, channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0 scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: _NEC, DVD_RW ND-4570A, 1.02 SCSI0 5/cdrom removable cd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2 pciide0: channel 1 disabled (no drives) pciide1 at pci0 dev 14 function 0 NVIDIA MCP51 SATA rev 0xa1: DMA pciide1: using irq 5 for native-PCI interrupt wd0 at pciide1 channel 0 drive 0: WDC WD2500YD-01NVB1 wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 239372MB, 490234752 sectors wd0(pciide1:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 5 pciide2 at pci0 dev 15 function 0 NVIDIA MCP51 SATA rev 0xa1: DMA pciide2: using irq 10 for native-PCI interrupt ppb3 at pci0 dev 16 function 0 NVIDIA MCP51 PCI-PCI rev 0xa2 pci4 at ppb3 bus 4 TI TSB43AB22 FireWire rev 0x00 at pci4 dev 5 function 0 not configured pciide3 at pci4 dev 8 function 0 Promise PDC40718 rev 0x02: DMA wd1 at pciide3 channel 3 drive 0: WDC WD2500YD-01NVB1 wd1: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 239372MB, 490234752 sectors wd1(pciide3:3:0): using BIOS timings, Ultra-DMA mode 6 pciide3: using irq 5 for native-PCI interrupt fxp0 at pci4 dev 9 function 0 Intel 8255x rev 0x0c, i82550: irq 11, address 00:02:b3:8e:29:83 inphy0 at fxp0 phy 1: i82555 10/100 PHY, rev. 4 pchb0 at pci0 dev 24 function 0 AMD AMD64
Re: how to clear dmesg outpout
Thus Dimitry Andric spake: smonek wrote: How to clear kern msg buffer (dmesg output ) without restart system Turn computer off. Breathe out calmly for a few minutes. Turn computer on. maybe /var/run/dmesg.boot can be of help? remember to breath...
Re: Intel Core 2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thus Leonardo Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:25:08 -0300: http://www.geek.com/images/geeknews/2006Jan/core_duo_errata__2006_01_21__full.gif Show stopper Potentially Catastrophic Those are some warm and fuzzy words =) Geez, that's a whole lot of bugs... I never imagined that processors could be so bugged. Theo says that AMD is getting less helpful towards open source OS. Well, that's great. We only have 2 big proc developers for i386, and now those two are turning out crap products with diminishing documentation =( I wonder where this road will lead us. MIPS64. Just wait for the chinese to save the world from Chipzilla :) (And yes, MIPS is a really nice design, btw) iD8DBQFGgs/P689t39h/zfARAhiVAJ9WNAVmt9Ncv98Kycm1/VJ6dJ6zfwCg5Apu vwVNYZxxmaLhOVCZeg8ySBc= =BzkT -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Mail server in that environment, possible ?
thus Joachim Schipper spake: On Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 12:07:03AM +0100, Timo Schoeler wrote: thus Firas Kraiem spake: This is not really an OBSD-specific question but since the machine I plan to do this on is running OBSD, I figured out I would post here, please don't throw pointing objects at me ;) So, here's the deal, I have a few machines behind a NAT gateway (router/modem provided by my ISP) and I have a no-ip.org domain for it - can't afford a real domain name at the moment. One of those is an OpenBSD (4.1) system which I've been happily running an Apache/PHP/MySQL and a FTP server on for a few months. Now, what I would like to do, just for the fun and hopefully to learn a few things in the process, is whether it would be possible to setup a mail server on it so people can send me mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED], and if so, I'd much appreciate if someone could point me to a few nice tutorials to set this up - I've already googled for that and tried a few howto's but without much success. although this is not a typical topic for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, it's called misc@ for a reason. It's also called misc@openbsd.org for a reason, but this person uses OpenBSD, so why not? Deep apologies from my side; however, the threshold of when a topic starts to be a valid one here fluctuates extremely. one day, a malfunctioning browser on a OBSD box is not a valid one, while on the other day someone mailing from the highway who run out of gas (but has OBSD running his home brew MP3 player) *is* a valid one... first, you have to get yourself the skills to set up a MTA (mail transfer agent) such as sendmail (included in OpenBSD base system), or postfix (packages/ports), or exim... IMHO, you should take 'the hard way' and learn sendmail Everyone has his/her own preference here. There are no really wrong choices, though. (At least not for simple setups.) 'IMHO' second, you need a POP3 and/or IMAP4 server; there's a bunch of them (packages/ports, again) like dovecot, cyrus, etc. for me, cyrus works like a charm for many many years now Again, no really wrong picks. Dovecot is secure, easy to configure, and fast, but doesn't handle concurrent mailbox access very well, and you might need/want some of the additional options of cyrus. You can also do without an IMAP server if so inclined; particularly the older *NIX mail clients will happily read their mail from a spool. Especially if you prefer such a client, making sure the MTA is set up properly before even trying to set up the IMAP server is a good idea. Depending on tastes, you might also want to set up a webmail package. I can recommend Hastymail for not sucking. (It's not particularly shiny or full-featured, but it manages not to suck, at least to the extent that webmail can not suck. Mutt still sucks less, though.) third, you have to get some knowledge about the appropriate DNS entries (the MX entry for your domain, even when using DynIP services) you have to set. again, there's tutorials on the net. Certainly. And note that this isn't going to work particularly well if you switch IPs often (or at all). The problem is that DNS updates take a while to reach every corner of the internet (and very, very long to reach some broken MS-based setups). If another user takes your IP address in the meanwhile, and that other user also runs something on port 25, MTAs sending you mail will think it's you. In almost all cases (those where no account has been configured to collect all mail), the other mail server would permanently reject mail to you, since there's no such user at that mail server. This would cause random mail loss. For this, one can use the mentioned VPS. four, please take into account that sending from your own mail server being in a dynamically assigned IP range is a bad idea because most RBLs (realtime blackhole lists, used by other MTAs to check whether your MTA is likely to be a spammer or not, etc) list those IP ranges as very likely to be a spam source. so, if possible, use your ISPs mail server for relaying (as a 'smart host' in sendmail speak), or get yourself a machine at a rack hoster; there are decent priced 'virtual root servers' nowadays. (unfortunately, most of them are Linux machines; virtual root means that you're put into a container, or 'jail' like environment, where you are root and can set up that machine as you like; however, you don't have 'full control' over the hardware, but this is not needed anyways.) The whole virtual private server thing has the added advantage of having a fixed IP address, which solves the problem I described above. Exactly. Unless you want to go for a VPS or some such, I'd not recommend running an MTA on port 25. It *is*, however, quite useful to set up fetchmail or one of the alternatives to feed mail to a MTA, and use that MTA to handle outgoing mail. It's doable without those hassles just by defining the MTA as the primary MX which then is configured to relay
Re: Mail server in that environment, possible ?
thus Firas Kraiem spake: Greetings, people :) This is not really an OBSD-specific question but since the machine I plan to do this on is running OBSD, I figured out I would post here, please don't throw pointing objects at me ;) So, here's the deal, I have a few machines behind a NAT gateway (router/modem provided by my ISP) and I have a no-ip.org domain for it - can't afford a real domain name at the moment. One of those is an OpenBSD (4.1) system which I've been happily running an Apache/PHP/MySQL and a FTP server on for a few months. Now, what I would like to do, just for the fun and hopefully to learn a few things in the process, is whether it would be possible to setup a mail server on it so people can send me mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED], and if so, I'd much appreciate if someone could point me to a few nice tutorials to set this up - I've already googled for that and tried a few howto's but without much success. Firas hi, although this is not a typical topic for [EMAIL PROTECTED] first, you have to get yourself the skills to set up a MTA (mail transfer agent) such as sendmail (included in OpenBSD base system), or postfix (packages/ports), or exim... IMHO, you should take 'the hard way' and learn sendmail; it's not as hard as it seems, there are pretty good tutorials on the web, OpenBSD's documentation is awesome, and it has a decent license. If you need quick results and get it up and running very fast, have a look at postfix (license sucks) or exim. second, you need a POP3 and/or IMAP4 server; there's a bunch of them (packages/ports, again) like dovecot, cyrus, etc. for me, cyrus works like a charm for many many years now, it's very efficient (i still run a mail server -- sendmail/cyrus, some anti-spam procedures -- in an art gallery with about 15 employees; believe it or not, it handles their email traffic without problems and feels smooth and quick being based on a 68040/40 Amiga 1200 :) and in active development. your favorite search engine will provide you information how to set it up and how to interoperate with sendmail, postfix, ... third, you have to get some knowledge about the appropriate DNS entries (the MX entry for your domain, even when using DynIP services) you have to set. again, there's tutorials on the net. four, please take into account that sending from your own mail server being in a dynamically assigned IP range is a bad idea because most RBLs (realtime blackhole lists, used by other MTAs to check whether your MTA is likely to be a spammer or not, etc) list those IP ranges as very likely to be a spam source. so, if possible, use your ISPs mail server for relaying (as a 'smart host' in sendmail speak), or get yourself a machine at a rack hoster; there are decent priced 'virtual root servers' nowadays. (unfortunately, most of them are Linux machines; virtual root means that you're put into a container, or 'jail' like environment, where you are root and can set up that machine as you like; however, you don't have 'full control' over the hardware, but this is not needed anyways.) HTH, timo
TV tuner that works
Hi misc@, surely I checked http://openbsd.org/amd64.html#hardware, but I'd like to know if any of you can really *recommend* a TV tuner card. thanks, Timo --- OpenBSD 4.1-current (GENE [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC real mem = 1055444992 (1006MB) avail mem = 1013604352 (966MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xf (70 entries) bios0: ASUSTek Computer INC. M2NPV-VM acpi at mainbus0 not configured cpu0 at mainbus0: (uniprocessor) cpu0: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+, 2204.88 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SSE3,CX16,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative couldnt fetch acpicpu_softc cpu0: PowerNow! K8 2204 MHz: speeds: 2200 2000 1800 1000 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 NVIDIA C51 Host rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 not configured NVIDIA C51 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 1 not configured NVIDIA C51 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 2 not configured NVIDIA C51 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 3 not configured NVIDIA C51 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 4 not configured NVIDIA C51 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 5 not configured NVIDIA C51 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 6 not configured NVIDIA C51 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 7 not configured ppb0 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 NVIDIA C51 PCIE rev 0xa1 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 ppb1 at pci0 dev 3 function 0 NVIDIA C51 PCIE rev 0xa1 pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 ppb2 at pci0 dev 4 function 0 NVIDIA C51 PCIE rev 0xa1 pci3 at ppb2 bus 3 vga1 at pci0 dev 5 function 0 NVIDIA GeForce 6150 rev 0xa2 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) NVIDIA MCP51 Host rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 9 function 0 not configured pcib0 at pci0 dev 10 function 0 NVIDIA MCP51 ISA rev 0xa3 nviic0 at pci0 dev 10 function 1 NVIDIA MCP51 SMBus rev 0xa3 iic0 at nviic0 iic1 at nviic0 NVIDIA MCP51 Memory rev 0xa3 at pci0 dev 10 function 2 not configured ohci0 at pci0 dev 11 function 0 NVIDIA MCP51 USB rev 0xa3: irq 5, version 1.0, legacy support ehci0 at pci0 dev 11 function 1 NVIDIA MCP51 USB rev 0xa3: irq 11 usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0: NVIDIA EHCI root hub, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 pciide0 at pci0 dev 13 function 0 NVIDIA MCP51 IDE rev 0xa1: DMA, channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0 scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: _NEC, DVD_RW ND-4570A, 1.02 SCSI0 5/cdrom removable cd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2 pciide0: channel 1 disabled (no drives) pciide1 at pci0 dev 14 function 0 NVIDIA MCP51 SATA rev 0xa1: DMA pciide1: using irq 5 for native-PCI interrupt wd0 at pciide1 channel 0 drive 0: WDC WD2500YD-01NVB1 wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 239372MB, 490234752 sectors wd0(pciide1:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 5 pciide2 at pci0 dev 15 function 0 NVIDIA MCP51 SATA rev 0xa1: DMA pciide2: using irq 10 for native-PCI interrupt ppb3 at pci0 dev 16 function 0 NVIDIA MCP51 PCI-PCI rev 0xa2 pci4 at ppb3 bus 4 TI TSB43AB22 FireWire rev 0x00 at pci4 dev 5 function 0 not configured pciide3 at pci4 dev 8 function 0 Promise PDC40718 rev 0x02: DMA wd1 at pciide3 channel 3 drive 0: WDC WD2500YD-01NVB1 wd1: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 239372MB, 490234752 sectors wd1(pciide3:3:0): using BIOS timings, Ultra-DMA mode 6 pciide3: using irq 5 for native-PCI interrupt fxp0 at pci4 dev 9 function 0 Intel 8255x rev 0x0c, i82550: irq 11, address 00:02:b3:8e:29:83 inphy0 at fxp0 phy 1: i82555 10/100 PHY, rev. 4 pchb0 at pci0 dev 24 function 0 AMD AMD64 HyperTransport rev 0x00 pchb1 at pci0 dev 24 function 1 AMD AMD64 Address Map rev 0x00 pchb2 at pci0 dev 24 function 2 AMD AMD64 DRAM Cfg rev 0x00 pchb3 at pci0 dev 24 function 3 AMD AMD64 Misc Cfg rev 0x00 isa0 at pcib0 isadma0 at isa0 com0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo com1 at isa0 port 0x2f8/8 irq 3: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pmsi0 at pckbc0 (aux slot) pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot wsmouse0 at pmsi0 mux 0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 midi0 at pcppi0: PC speaker spkr0 at pcppi0 lpt0 at isa0 port 0x378/4 irq 7 it0 at isa0 port 0x290/8: IT87 usb1 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub1 at usb1: NVIDIA OHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub2 at uhub1 port 3: Alps Electric Hub in Apple USB Keyboard, rev 1.10/2.10, addr 2 uhidev0 at uhub2 port 1 configuration 1 interface 0 uhidev0: Alps Electric Apple USB Keyboard, rev 1.10/1.03, addr 3, iclass 3/1 ukbd0 at uhidev0: 8 modifier keys, 6 key codes, country
Re: samba: really low throughput
Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: got a 4.1-release machine that shares its disks via samba to a few windows xp workstations and is transferring files slow as molasses (1 GB file takes ~30 min to transfer). this machine serves FTP at ~10 MBps, close to linespeed for 100 Mbit, so disk speed is not the bottleneck on the server side. i expect to go gigabit on this stuff in another week or two so any further tips that apply in that regime would be nice to see. have read through the samba howto doc section on performance tuning and have tried a number of the suggested knobs to no avail. here is what has been added to the mostly default smb.conf that's being used: read raw = yes write raw = yes oplocks = yes max xmit = 65535 dead time = 15 getwd cache = yes socket options = TCP_NODELAY the share sections of smb.conf look like so: [d] comment = d unencrypted path = /d valid users = @smb write list = @smb read list = @smb force group = smb public = no writable = yes printable = nocreate mask = 0770 directory mask = 0770 read only = no i'm sure there are some of you out there using samba sans shite performance like this, would appreciate clues on how to fix this. cheers, jake what about a dmesg? maybe there something is hiding. what's your network setup (switches, topology, etc)? Timo
Matrox G200 Quad supported?
Hi, although I had a bunch of dual-head (or more) setups in my life, it was all in the sgi, Sun or Apple universe. I never did this on OpenBSD; however, as everything I touched during the years on OpenBSD machines ran out of the box :) I wonder whether a dual (or triple screen) setup is supported using an old, good Matrox G200 Quad. Especially, will xenocara help here? TIA, Timo -- Message will arrive in the mail. Destroy, before the FBI sees it.
Re: alternatives to sendmail
Thus [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter N. M. Hansteen) spake on Mon, 04 Jun 2007 15:17:26 +0200: Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, sendmail is a very steep and tall learning curve. I'm coming from Debian (which no longer installes with 32 MB ram) so I'm used to exim. I know that exim is GPL. I'm wondering if there are other BSD-licensed MTAs. exim is available as a package on OpenBSD as well, so if that's what you are used to, you should feel right at home. Exim ist GPL, Postfix is 'IBM public license'. Neither is BSD compatible. Honestly, Postfix' license (or my moral on BSD :) convinced me to switch back to sendmail... :) Cheers, Timo -- First things first -- but not necessarily in that order -- The Doctor, Doctor Who
Re: alternatives to sendmail
Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: Diana Eichert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ I'm concerned about any harm done to the Avian Carriers during RFC 1149 implementation. An excerpt from the RFC, A band of duct tape is used to secure the datagram's edges. , how barbaric! we did not use duct tape, IIRC we used some soft type of masking tape instead. Don't lie! You used staples! (SCNR)
Re: OpenBSD sucks
Thus Manuel Ravasio [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Fri, 1 Jun 2007 01:41:34 -0700 (PDT): --- qw er [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It really sucks. it is slow. While you are extremely fast, as your girlfriend can witness... What girlfriend? SCNR
Re: postfix mailq command mixup on OpenBSD
Thus Juan Miscaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:21:27 -0400 (EDT): For my OpenBSD 4.0 mailserver I have the following packages installed: postfix-2.3.2-mysql mailman-2.1.8p3-postfix courier-imap-3.0.5p4 courier-mysql-3.0.5p1 courier-pop3-3.0.5p1 courier-utils-1.7.0p2 Now I noticed that when I issue the 'mailq' command it shows my queues are empty but when I use the 'postqueue' command it shows my queues are quite full. My findings: $ which mailq /usr/bin/mailq $ ls -l /usr/bin/mailq lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel21B Mar 6 08:23 /usr/bin/mailq - /usr/sbin/mailwrapper $ grep mailq /etc/mailer.conf mailq /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail Should this be pointing to /usr/local/sbin/mailq since $ pkg_info -L postfix-2.3.2-mysql | grep sbin/mailq /usr/local/sbin/mailq The /usr/local/sbin/mailq command does provide a correct view of my queues. Juan Hi, you read what postfix-enable said? NOTE: do not forget to add sendmail_flags=-bd to /etc/rc.conf.local to startup postfix correctly. NOTE: do not forget to add -a /var/spool/postfix/dev/log to syslogd_flags in /etc/rc.conf.local and restart syslogd. NOTE: do not forget to remove the sendmail clientmqueue runner from root's crontab. HTH, Timo -- It wasn't that she had a rose in her teeth, exactly. It was more like the rose and the teeth were in the same glass.
Re: OpenBSD www
thus Robert C Wittig spake: Ioan Nemes wrote: No problem here. Ioan Ikmal Ahmad [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/25 1:18 pm Hi, http://www.openbsd.org/ Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. Apache/1.3.34 Server at www.openbsd.org Port 80 anything wrong there? On http://openbsd.org/ was ok. I saw this yesterday evening, when looking up something with Google. Removing 'www.' cured the problem. Gees, what is this discussion about?! $ nslookup openbsd.org Server: 192.168.1.159 Address:192.168.1.159#53 Non-authoritative answer: Name: openbsd.org Address: 199.185.137.3 $ nslookup www.openbsd.org Server: 192.168.1.159 Address:192.168.1.159#53 Non-authoritative answer: Name: www.openbsd.org Address: 129.128.5.191 This thread shall die. :) Timo
Re: CVS hosed
thus Peter N. M. Hansteen spake: Steve Shockley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought they traded the baby-mulching machine for half of a cruise missle... Actually it's the baby mulching machine's upgraded AI module which decided disks taste better than babies after all No, that was a maneuver to mislead you: Skynet just woke up (about ten years late, tho). :)
Re: CVS hosed
www.openbsd.org also seems to be having problems. I get a 403 Forbidden error whenever I try to access it. try http://openbsd.org/ this is a mirror; using it does not fix www :)
Re: General Question about OpenBSD
thus Ben Calvert spake: On May 24, 2007, at 1:13 PM, Karl R. Balsmeier wrote: Suzuki Kawasaki wrote: If OpenBSD is the most uber secure why does it run on Solaris? http://www.openbsd.org was running Apache on Solaris when last queried at 18-May-2007 19:52:41 GMT - refresh now Site Report Also, is someone going to change the topic on #openbsd on all servers worldwide? /topic Secure for the past `date` hm. dunno. probably because of the ankle-biters would be my guess. which motorcycle is better? Triumph Moto Guzzi
Re: solar power / openbsd handheld
Thus Austin Hook [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Tue, 22 May 2007 15:54:32 -0700 (MST): We have a need for a low power OpenBSD device or handheld that can connect to a small SCADA device (serial or USB) to collect some temperature and voltage data, plus control one light switch, on a remote solar powered wifi repeater tower. Any suggestions on the lowest powered OpenBSD runnable box we can expect to find for such a job, one that we can connect to the repeater by ethernet, or even wireless? Austin Hi, have a look at http://pcengines.ch/alix.htm It's predecessor, WRAP, works still very very well for me as OpenBSD router (for years now); as alix is the next thing to come, I guess the superb outdoor enclosures will be 'ported' for it ;) http://pcengines.ch/case2c1.htm HTH, Timo btw: Mine runs as a way-below 10 Watts SMTP, IMAP, DNS, DHCP server using a MicroDrive ;) -- Hello, he lied. -- Don Carpenter quoting a Hollywood agent
Re: US Export of Cryptography
thus Mark Reitblatt spake: On 5/19/07, Chris Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Theo de Raadt wrote: Yeah, right. Those of us looking from the outside do not have such simplistic views of the US, sorry. But our viewpoint is not purely about OpenBSD as open source. We make our code available for people to use in a commercial setting, so we must meet a higher standard. As the only completely operating system focused on staying outside the realm of US crypto export POLICY, we don't intend to change our approach. How does current US law/policy affect someone traveling with OpenBSD? Is having OpenBSD on my laptop a problem? Does downloading in the US from a server outside the US solve travel problems? Is carrying OpenBSD on cd's also a problem? I will soon be traveling and want to avoid problems. You fall under section 740.14 of the EAR. Excepting travel to one of the prohibited countries (illegal for a US citizen anyways), you are ok if it is under personal ownership and in usual and reasonable quantities. IOW, you have nothing to worry about. Unless of course you are unwilling to restrict yourself to current US policy, in which case you'd better not bring any computer HW, cell phone, or advanced electronic device at all. After all, it might become restricted in the unforeseeable future. Nobody cares about 'laws', regardless of location. However, especially the US gives a shit about 'law', see 'human rights' and all this nonsense. Thanks for keeping OpenBSD clean from US control. If I understand the laws correctly, what I propose would not change OpenBSD's freedom from US control. You think that the US is a stable region, hm? LOL Have a look in some history books and draw your conclusions; the US (among others) is just one step away from a very big bang. As an American citizen, I am absolutely terrified with the Fascist direction my country is headed. Then do something about it. It's a democracy for a reason. The US? DEMOCRACY? ROTFL Quoting from an email I recently wrote 'In classic terms, fascism is defined by five characteristics of governance: * nationalist aggression; * fusing of the state with corporate interests; * single party rule; * the suppression of civil liberties; * pervasive propaganda. All of these inhered in the Italian, German, and Japanese governments of the 1930s and '40s. All of them would have to be present before the label fascism could legitimately be applied to a modern regime.' So, looking at the definition of fascism, the US is a fascist country, as almost any other of the 'free, democratic, peaceful western countries'. I think OpenBSD would have problems in the near future if it became entangled with US cryptography laws. I'm sure that you base this assumption on specific, relevant court cases/laws effective since source code received protected speech status? Or just the same sort of gut feeling that tells people that evolution isn't true? Let's relocate OpenBSD's servers to Baghdad city as this is the most democratic place on earth after the US bombed^Wled it there. (The sarcasm in this eMail is for free.)
Re: OT: 32bit vs 64bit network card question
On Tue, 15 May 2007 13:38:10 +0200 Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-15 00:03]: * bofh [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-14 21:54]: I have a question. Some 64 bit cards (PCI-X?) seem to work in 32 bit slots (PCI 2.2?). Is this a feature, or am I looking at possible issues down the road? Specifically, I am trying to build a n old(er) box, and on a whim (and vague memories about this working), stuck an em card into it. Box seems to boot, and network traffic seems to flow. Not sure if I should spend some $ $ to buy another network card. yes, may 64bit PCI cards (from 64/33 to PCI-X 133) wor just fine in ^^^ that should read many. there are cards that are NOT backwards compatible. also, the ones that are need 3.3V pci slots, not the ancient 5V ones. as a rule of thumb one can say that cards that won't work guaranteed also should NOT fit into that slot; at least not without using a hammer or similar tools ;) timo -- Line Printer paper is strongest at the perforations.
Re: OT: 32bit vs 64bit network card question
On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:29:02 +0200 Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Timo Schoeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-15 13:47]: On Tue, 15 May 2007 13:38:10 +0200 Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-15 00:03]: * bofh [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-14 21:54]: I have a question. Some 64 bit cards (PCI-X?) seem to work in 32 bit slots (PCI 2.2?). Is this a feature, or am I looking at possible issues down the road? Specifically, I am trying to build a n old(er) box, and on a whim (and vague memories about this working), stuck an em card into it. Box seems to boot, and network traffic seems to flow. Not sure if I should spend some $ $ to buy another network card. yes, may 64bit PCI cards (from 64/33 to PCI-X 133) wor just fine in ^^^ that should read many. there are cards that are NOT backwards compatible. also, the ones that are need 3.3V pci slots, not the ancient 5V ones. as a rule of thumb one can say that cards that won't work guaranteed also should NOT fit into that slot; at least not without using a hammer or similar tools ;) no, that is not true. there are some that fir physically but just do not work unless they are in a 64bit slot. they will not be damanged by inserting them in a 32bit one, they'll just not work. then one should throw them away anyways as being not compliant to specs. -- Henning Brauer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting - Hamburg Amsterdam
Re: what's the best way to configure a 3.75TB datastore?
On Thu, 10 May 2007 14:21:23 -0500 Matt Bettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/10/07, John Brahy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, We're the proud new owner of a 10x750GB appliance. We're going to put OpenBSD on it and I was looking for suggestions or feedback on a configuration we were considering. This server is going to be stored at our colo and we have a point to point T1 directly connected to it. (We're going to initially populate it here and only have to rsync daily differences after hours.) Hi, I believe in using the right tool for the job and, to be honest I wouldn't use OpenBSD for a large data store like that. If it were me I'd get a real SAN or NAS but you have what you have so my top choice would be an OS that you can run an Volume manager on, Linux with LVM2 or Veritas VM. FreeBSD has some Volume Management capabilities but I have no experience using them. Sorry if my answer offends you. Matt I second that, except for GNU/Linux and FreeBSD; I'd really recommend to run, if possible, Solaris and take advantage of ZFS with all its nice tools and features. Btw, can you specify what this appliance is? I have an EMC Cellerra at work which /could/ be used as a highly redundant and nice performing CIFS server (authentication to be done by another machine, though). We found this out after figuring out weeks of how to add a second/third machine to our *cough* RHEL *cough* server infrastructure to get a redundant setup (the file server is connected to another EMC, a 3TByte CX300, using FC) using 'a' cluster filesystem. This turned out to be a real PITA -- and then someone told us that the Cellerra can do this most conveniently. Guess what it is doing right now? It exports a 3TByte NFSv3 FS. gs... To make a long story short: Really THINK VERY HARD on this setup. Once you decided which way you go and store 3TByte of data there (regardless of the way *how* you do it, using GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris or DR-DOS ;) be sure it will be a real PITA to get this corrected IF you have to... timo
Re: cvsync broken?
On Thu, 10 May 2007 20:48:28 + (UTC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Weisgerber) wrote: Hannah Schroeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just trying to cvsync my stuff. And it wants to remove quite much: The same mirroring problem that affected www.openbsd.org also affected the master repository mirror. The damage propagated to cvsync.de.openbsd.org and probably some other public mirrors. -- Christian naddy Weisgerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ouch.
Chances of this hardware running OpenBSD?
Hi list, during the last days news popped up [0] verifying that the new 'Power System' (aka Amiga) will be based on PA Semi's very nice PowerPC chip. I was disappointed quite often by vaporware in the Amiga universe, especially during the hard, long time of agony of this system. However, as this really might become reality, how are chances to port OpenBSD to this machine? I'd like to be able to replace my x86/amd64 workstation at work by something non-SPARCy [I *like* SPARC] ;) [0] -- http://www.amiga.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=7310 -- I think sex is better than logic, but I can't prove it.
Re: Chances of this hardware running OpenBSD?
On Tue, 8 May 2007 17:59:13 +0200 Johan M:son Lindman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 08 May 2007, you wrote: Hi list, during the last days news popped up [0] verifying that the new 'Power System' (aka Amiga) will be based on PA Semi's very nice PowerPC chip. I was disappointed quite often by vaporware in the Amiga universe, especially during the hard, long time of agony of this system. However, as this really might become reality, how are chances to port OpenBSD to this machine? I'd like to be able to replace my x86/amd64 workstation at work by something non-SPARCy [I *like* SPARC] ;) [0] -- http://www.amiga.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=7310 -- I think sex is better than logic, but I can't prove it. Timo, Please check the URL you provided yourself. I never do such things ;) It is the same scam and con artists behind this scheme as in the other cases of amiga vapoware that we've seen over the course of the last ten years or so. So please, don't start foaming at the mouth before you actually hold one of these units in your hand. IMHO this attitude destroys (not only) their business model; of course one need pre-orders before they really start to create PCBs et al. out of nothing. The Pegasos story ought to have taught us all a very valuable lesson about the fraudsters that have been (and I believe still are) dealing with what is left of Amiga. So did Phase 5. Regards Johan M:son If you don't have a dream .. Then you'll never have a dream come true (South Pacific) ;)
Re: Chances of this hardware running OpenBSD?
On Tue, 8 May 2007 11:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Lars D. Noodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been an awfully long time since the last model. What's the expected timeline on the release date for the hardware? The press release states 'Winter 2007'. A reasonable time frame for this project, AFAICS. It looks interesting. I'd be even more interested in a PPC-based equivalent of the MacMini. http://openbsd.org/macppc.html -Lars Lars Noodin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Ensure access to your data now and in the future http://opendocumentfellowship.org/about_us/contribute
Using a DVD-RAM drive with OpenBSD
hi, i have a nice DVD-RAM drive in my Power Mac, which i'd like to put in my (amd64) home server for doing backups on this very nice medium. however, i wonder what's the best way to use it running OpenBSD; use it like a hard disc, or is there a way to use UDF (like the Mac does, and is the preferred format for DVD-RAM media)? [0] says that OpenBSD 3.8 supports read access to UDF; has there been progress on this (read: read + write)? thanks, timo schoeler -- The best cure for insomnia is to get a lot of sleep. -- W. C. Fields
Re: Using a DVD-RAM drive with OpenBSD
[adding footnote] hi, i have a nice DVD-RAM drive in my Power Mac, which i'd like to put in my (amd64) home server for doing backups on this very nice medium. however, i wonder what's the best way to use it running OpenBSD; use it like a hard disc, or is there a way to use UDF (like the Mac does, and is the preferred format for DVD-RAM media)? [0] says that OpenBSD 3.8 supports read access to UDF; has there been progress on this (read: read + write)? thanks, timo schoeler -- The best cure for insomnia is to get a lot of sleep. -- W. C. Fields [0] -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format
Re: Prevent circumventing dansguardian with pf
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:29:17 -0600 Tobias Weingartner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, April 25, Timo Schoeler wrote: actually, me thinks the same about allowing/denying ICMP as you, tobias. however, we recently had a CCIE/NSA certified blahblah guy in our company, tuning our, err, Cizcoooeee equipment. guess what he did -- he violated 'the RFCs'. unfortunately, i wasn't able to find them on the net. do you have them handy? i'm very curious about that :) The RFCs? Google will point you to them. Or go to the source at IETF google is evil. :) http://ietf.org/rfc.html actually, i know this source and i was looking for this: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=117754000230466w=2 as we're talking about TCP/ICMP issues, and not RFCs in general. thanks, timo
Re: Prevent circumventing dansguardian with pf
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:19:42 + (UTC) Tobias Weingartner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chad M Stewart wrote: On Apr 25, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Allen Theobald wrote: pass in inet proto icmp all icmp-type $icmp_types keep state This can be used as a covert communication channel. Allowing internal IPs to send/receive ping is bad. Bull. Not allowing ICMP is just as bad. Worse actually, as you are violating RFCs. Quit spreading this FUD. hi, actually, me thinks the same about allowing/denying ICMP as you, tobias. however, we recently had a CCIE/NSA certified blahblah guy in our company, tuning our, err, Cizcoooeee equipment. guess what he did -- he violated 'the RFCs'. unfortunately, i wasn't able to find them on the net. do you have them handy? i'm very curious about that :) tia, -- Timo Schoeler | http://riscworks.net/~tis | [EMAIL PROTECTED] RISCworks -- Perfection is a powerful message Ex-ISP | RISC afficinados | Networking, Security, BSD services GPG Key fingerprint = 76E0 BEAF 762A BD1B 383C F88C EBCF 6DDF D87F CDF0 You can fly away to the end of the world But where does it get you to? (Tennant/Lowe)
Re: Prevent circumventing dansguardian with pf
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 23:56:50 +0200 Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 10:40:45PM +0200, Timo Schoeler wrote: On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:19:42 + (UTC) Tobias Weingartner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chad M Stewart wrote: On Apr 25, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Allen Theobald wrote: pass in inet proto icmp all icmp-type $icmp_types keep state This can be used as a covert communication channel. Allowing internal IPs to send/receive ping is bad. Bull. Not allowing ICMP is just as bad. Worse actually, as you are violating RFCs. Quit spreading this FUD. hi, actually, me thinks the same about allowing/denying ICMP as you, tobias. however, we recently had a CCIE/NSA certified blahblah guy in our company, tuning our, err, Cizcoooeee equipment. guess what he did -- he violated 'the RFCs'. unfortunately, i wasn't able to find them on the net. do you have them handy? i'm very curious about that :) In general, though, it will almost always be possible to get data in/out of the network. IP-over-DNS comes to mind. If this particular vector is used by a widely deployed worm, it might be worth it; but otherwise, just ignore it. yeah, i know -- that's why i watched him doing in my typical skeptical way... Do you intend to ask where 'the RFCs' are? (If so, www.ietf.org is a good choice.) Or in what RFC this particular requirement is? (No real idea...) the latter one... Joachim -- TFMotD: kadmin (8) - Kerberos administration utility timo
Re: Back again with funny network interfaces
Maybe it's something with old PCMCIA cardbus? pcmcia cardbus is an oxymoron. pcmcia is a 16bit isa-like bus w/ 3.3v and 5v power. cardbus is a pci-like 32bit bus w/ 3.3v power only. pccard is a form factor for this devices also. people can't memorize computer industries acronyms... qed. (Andrew Steven Grove)
Re: Mail Server (seeking recommendations)
Throwing in another vote for Dovecot for IMAP. I'm stuck with Qmail at the moment (works fine), but Postfix is nice. As for webmail, I haven't heard Roundcube mentioned yet. We use it, and it's at least pretty enough. Requires a database, unfortunately, but it works with LDAP and our staff like it. http://roundcube.net/ I have looked at Roundcube in the past but just never installed it. I am sick and tired of CommuniGate Pro and its ridiculous upgrade prices which is why I have been testing different servers. A big part of the equation is webmail. One choice is Squirrelmail which works well enough but I am really not happy with it. Its performance is not so great with large IMAP mailboxes either. I just looked at the Roundcube site again and the it looks promising. I'll have to try it out. Bryan I can just vote for postfix/cyrus, or even better (from a licensing PoV), sendmail/cyrus. Speaking of Squirrelmail: Did you enable server-side sorting? 4. General Options - 10. Allow server thread sort: true 11. Allow server-side sorting : true That should speed up things very much ;) HTH, timo
Re: Mail Server (seeking recommendations)
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:06:57 -0700 Bryan Vyhmeister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 16, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Timo Schoeler wrote: I can just vote for postfix/cyrus, or even better (from a licensing PoV), sendmail/cyrus. Speaking of Squirrelmail: Did you enable server-side sorting? 4. General Options - 10. Allow server thread sort: true 11. Allow server-side sorting : true That should speed up things very much ;) Thanks for that tip. Unfortunately, it was with a server that did not support server-side sorting. The server was EIMS (http:// www.eudora.co.nz), a mail server that runs on Mac OS X. I know it; I worked for an ISP looong ago (mid 90s to 2003) which used Macs as one of two platforms (the other was, obviously, Sun ;). However, I discarded Apple in 2005 after another bad move they made, but hey, not ranting ;) I have been evaluating it as a possible option in addition to dovecot and other choices. Its lack of support for THREAD and SORT bothers me a little. I need to just bite the bullet and use dovecot with postfix/qmail/ sendmail and run everything off of LDAP. Bryan After that much noise about dovecot, at least I'll have a look at it; cyrus is hard to beat, though. I did run a not-so-small user base on it on really weak hardware, and it performed very very well. I even ran it so serve an art gallery (about 25 to 30 IMAP users) on an Amiga 1200 with 68040 Turbo board and 128MByte RAM. It was running NetBSD, because this was my main platform back then (and OpenBSD discarded this port with 3.2, IIRC). Luckily, things have changed :) -- Timo Schoeler | http://riscworks.net/~tis | [EMAIL PROTECTED] RISCworks -- Perfection is a powerful message Ex-ISP | RISC afficinados | Networking, Security, BSD services GPG Key fingerprint = 76E0 BEAF 762A BD1B 383C F88C EBCF 6DDF D87F CDF0 You can fly away to the end of the world But where does it get you to? (Tennant/Lowe) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
Re: Why Linus Torvalds won't donate to OpenSSH
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:27:55 +0930 Adam Hawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently wrote Linus Torvalds asking why I don't see his name listed on the OpenBSD donations page (http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html), since I figured he uses OpenSSH. Apart from the fact that was a private email from Linus to you and you broadcast it publically (if you really did email him and he really did reply) who cares what Linus thinks? He is over there with his little chubby baby called Linux. He's like any other parent. He thinks his chubby wrinkly bubby is the best one. Let him have that - his chubby baby is a damned sight better behaved than the babies of a certain ugly commercial parent. Which commercial *NIX that's still alive is more of a security thread and covered with the same level of stability problems as GNU/Linux? One really stops counting remote exploits for GNU/Linux very soon, otherwise one would have to dedicate one's whole life to do so, it's that time consuming. If Linus comes in here and starts demanding features be added to OpenSSH then you can pull him up on whether he donates or not. Until then live and let live. (and what Damian said) A
Re: Why Linus Torvalds won't donate to OpenSSH
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:27:48 +1000 (EST) Damien Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, Timo Schoeler wrote: Which commercial *NIX that's still alive is more of a security thread and covered with the same level of stability problems as GNU/Linux? One really stops counting remote exploits for GNU/Linux very soon, otherwise one would have to dedicate one's whole life to do so, it's that time consuming. That's nice, but what does bashing other operating systems have to do with OpenBSD? bashing? me? never! just facing the truth. timo :) [now let's stop abusing electrons for discussing the totally meaningless opinion of a selfish loser -- linus']
Re: Routerboard 532 Bounty
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:57:45 -0400 bofh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of curiousity, why do a routerboard, when you can use something like the following: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813185094 maybe some are not that convinced using x86? ;)
Re: bcw(4) is gone
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:25:14 +0200 Massimo Lusetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:20:33 -0500 Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GPL is as free as communism. Please add this to fortune! -- Massimo.run(); She's the kind of girl who climbed the ladder of success wrong by wrong. -- Mae West [ ] -- you read about and understood what communism is (both of you) [X] -- I replied that late because I was busy laughing after Marco's post [X] -- communism isn't as bad as the GPL ;)
Re: bcw(4) is gone
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:08:44 +0200 Marc Balmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Timo Schoeler wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:25:14 +0200 Massimo Lusetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:20:33 -0500 Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GPL is as free as communism. Please add this to fortune! -- Massimo.run(); She's the kind of girl who climbed the ladder of success wrong by wrong. -- Mae West [ ] -- you read about and understood what communism is (both of you) [X] -- I replied that late because I was busy laughing after Marco's post [X] -- communism isn't as bad as the GPL ;) [X] marco is a communist no; if so, he's as good as communist as George W. Bush as president.
Re: bcw(4) is gone
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:15:36 -0400 Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tobias Weisserth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who the hell do you think you are that you can impose a definition of free on me? Freedom is also a matter of perception and perspective. No, its the FSF trying to redefine the word free. The english language has had the word for a long time, and its meanings are quite clear. None of those meanings include being restricted. Its not a matter of perception or perspective, you can't just pretend words meaning other things and expect everyone to go along. GPL your code all you want, just stop claiming it has anything to do with freedom. Adam 1984. Newspeak. Slavery (GPL) is freedom. ;) timo
Re: Problem installing DSPAM (with postfix)
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:36:08 -0400 Jean-Daniel Beaubien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi eveyrone, I am having a bit of trouble installing DSPAM with Postfix. The problem seems to be with the unix socket (and my lack of knowledge on the subjecT). Here is a small snippet of the config fordspam and postfix: # grep -R -e 'dspam.sock' /etc/* /etc/dspam.conf:ServerDomainSocketPath /tmp/dspam.sock /etc/dspam.conf:#ClientHost /tmp/dspam.sock /etc/postfix/master.cf:-o content_filter=lmtp:unix:/tmp/dspam.sock And here is the content of /tmp: -- # ls -l total 0 srwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 Apr 9 20:11 dspam.sock And unfortunately I get the following errors in /var/log/maillog: Apr 10 00:22:17 mail_server postfix/lmtp[21514]: 2E9682B6: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], orig_to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=none, delay=15444, delays=15444/0.22/0/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to mail_server.mydomain.com[/tmp/dspam.sock]: No such file or directory) This strikes me as odd since the file /tmp/dspam.sock seems to be there. Anyone has an idea what's going on? Thank you for your time, -Jd Check if your postfix runs chrooted(8) (check master.conf for this). If so, /tmp should be in /var/spool/postfix/tmp HTH, timo
Re: Booting a Thinkpad T23
I'm trying into install OpenBSD 4.0 onto my laptop. It's a Pentium 3 1.13 MHz with 768MB RAM. I burned an install CD following the installation instructions. I buned the cd40.iso first, started a multisession CD. Then afterwards, burned the rest of the packages and finished the multisession CD. This setup boots fine on my desktop system. On my laptop, however, it reads the CD, but it does not boot, and goes straight into the hard disk boot (Lilo in my case). I've tried disabling hard drive boot, enabling the floppy disk, enabling superdisk boot, updated the BIOS to the latest release, all to no avail. Does anyone know how I can boot onto my Thinkpad? Any help would be greatly appreciated. :) -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Booting-a-Thinkpad-T23-tf3525744.html#a9836727 Sent from the openbsd user - misc mailing list archive at Nabble.com. i bet the CD is crap.
Re: Dell 1950 under OpenBSD
On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:36:48 +0200
carlopmart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
Somebody have test it this Dell server under OpenBSD 4.0? this server use
SAS
or SATA disk with PERC 5/i controller, are they supported under OpenBSD 4.0?
Many thanks.
--
CL Martinez
carlopmart {at} gmail {d0t} com
yep,
works for me like a charm; however, i tested with 4.1 snapshots. if you like i
can verify it with 4.0.
best,
timo
Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops
In epistula a Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] die horaque Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:53:00 +0100: On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 10:06:43PM +0100, Joachim Schipper wrote: On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 12:36:00PM -0500, R. Fumione wrote: (...) I would like to point out here that the idea of optimization is that an equivalent code that executes faster is produced. Optimizations don't permit generating code that is not equivalent, unless specifically stated in the flag description (-ffast-math). It's therefore not the responsibility of the programmer to check whether the result of optimization is correct. Therefore it's not the optimizations that are source of bugs, but bugs in GCC. CL so, it's not the rain that makes you wet, but the water, right? (ges)
Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops
Karel Kulhavy wrote: On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 12:36:00PM -0500, R. Fumione wrote: Hello, I am using OpenBSD on server since few years now, and I am very happy with it's easy maintenance and it's stability. I want to try on desktop, and I am having trouble. Everything is much slower than existing Linux system. For example, Firefox takes 3-5 seconds to start on Linux but ~10 seconds on OpenBSD on same machine! I have the same problem. The FFS doesn't seem to be as fast as ext2. CL Most interestingly, after I moved from NetBSD to FreeBSD (performance-wise) on my Web cluster, I found that FreeBSD, being _faster_ than GNU/Linux, was not that much faster. Being totally pissed off of FreeBSDs and NetBSDs opinion about 'free' software and selling themselves as cheap whores to companies (read: deploying BLOB) I moved (again) to OpenBSD (on _all_ machines, not just on the crucial ones like firewalls etc). Surprise: Performance is on par. Security is much better. Karma is perfect :)
Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops
In epistula a Manuel Ravasio [EMAIL PROTECTED] die horaque Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:47:46 -0700 (PDT): Really? I have a completely different experience: I never managed to completely loose a filesystem, except by on OpenBSD... I've been using slackware linux on reiserfs and xfs for many years now, on my home PCs and company laptop (so, no real production environment) and I'm happy with both their speed and reliability. I caused many crashes, mostly by suddenly turning the PCs off in the middle of data transfer and I never lost a single file. Recently I decided to give OpenBSD a try, just to taste something different, and I'm really enthusiastic about it as firewall/proxy/DNS/DHCP server as well as desktop environment for my laptop. I really love the solidity and internal coherence of the system, its ease of management and the general impression of good, old, solid computing for real men that most current linux distributions completely lack (that's why I stick to slackware :-) ). The only shortcomings I found up to now are FFS fragility with respect to sudden poweroffs (I've already lost root filesystem twice, beyond fsck recovery capabilities, so I had to reinstall/restore from scratch), and a general sluggishness of X11 lacking DRI support. Probably it all depends on my lack of experience, so maybe my boxes are far from perfectly tuned up; I hope that spending more and more time tampering with OpenBSD and following this mailing list, I will eventually get proficient enough to tune up my systems as well as I got to do with linux :-) . Thank you all, byee Manuel interestingly, i just had an experience at a customer's site i want to share in this respect: they use *cough* GNU/Linux *cough*, RHEL. and XFS. XFS is pretty cool. however, they lost data. but it was not only about 'losing' data, it was about a hidden data loss. some data was lost, some not. some had weird ctime, some not. this is surely thanks to the most perfect implementation of an *opened* FS (here: XFS) by the GNU/Linux guys. pretty well done. what happened? a server had a backplane crash, an externally mounted XFS volume was shut down 'unclean'. although it was not that big (1TByte), the desaster happened. in more than ten years of using IRIX (and thusly, XFS) i never lost one single sucking file. :)
Re: No Blob without Puffy
In epistula a Matthew Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] die horaque Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:54:24 -0500: Jason George wrote: This was sabre-rattling. Daniel made a pre-emptive tactical strike. There's a big difference. No, there's not a difference. Theo said he was willing to take the emails public; this Daniel guy took him at his word, and made them public. The only foul I see is Theo threatening to take Daniel's emails public in the first place. there really *was* (in ancient times? where the term 'politician' was not an insult?) and should be a difference. people with a total lack of so called 'soft skills' won't see them, tho, but that is neither Theo's problem nor anyone else's. -- Matthew Weigel hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No Blob without Puffy
In epistula a Pawel Jakub Dawidek [EMAIL PROTECTED] die horaque Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:02:47 +0100: On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:38:05PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: So isn't it rather hypocritical to have a anti-Blob campaign, backed by projects which embrace the Blob? So isn't it rather hypocritical to claim GPL license is bad and BSD license is good and ship operating system with GPLed code? How do you feel about having pro-GPL operating system? Why do you lie to your users by having 'BSD' in operating system's name? I'm sure you get the point, but I'm also sure you won't admit it. Anyway, I just had to do it, because... Daniel Seuffert got very angry, and instead of removing operating systems which are pro-Blob from an anti-Blob posted, they instead deleted us. Isn't that just incredible? The only incredible thing I find in this thread is how easy for you is to insult such a great BSD advocate as Daniel Seuffert is. did i miss the sarcasm tags here? Daniel Seuffert shoots himself as well as others, both sympathising and not sympathising people, into the foot. mid-term as well as long-term. so where's the 'great BSD advocate'? is everything here *(-1)? PS. This e-mail is for Theo. The only reason I'm sending it to the list is to publicly support Daniel, who is doing a great job for BSD systems in many areas. Feel free not to respond. i felt more than *FREE* (in the *real* sense of freedom) to respond. and i see the need for spam filters to get some algorithms to react to nonsense, too. in the sense of freedom, FreeBSD (among others) is a ultra-cheap whore, as this fat pengiun is. accept it and live with it, or leave crying. nobody will care. -- Pawel Jakub Dawidek http://www.wheel.pl [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer Am I Evil? Yes, I Am!
Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops
In epistula a Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] die horaque Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:59:06 +0100: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:15:16AM -0400, Jason Beaudoin wrote: snip Everything is much slower than existing Linux system. For example, Firefox takes 3-5 seconds to start on Linux but ~10 seconds on OpenBSD on same machine! I have the same problem. The FFS doesn't seem to be as fast as ext2. The issue is not filesystem speed, but rather prelinking and the differences in how libraries are loaded. Trying comparing transfer times for a given set of (differing) files on both filesystems.. I have also a feeling that deleting huge files or large directories with loads of tiny files in subdirectories is slower. CL Y slower than JFS2, XFS, ext3 or X than ReiserFS 4, HPFS or what? 'feeling'? huh? this is about zeroes and ones, or what happened to IT?
Re: No Blob without Puffy
In epistula a Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] die horaque Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:27:29 +0100: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 11:35:14AM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote: * SW [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-19 03:21]: Free as in FreeBSD ahh, I finally get it. dry like water hot like ice free like freebsd FreeBSD is released under BSD licence and therefore is free software, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software CL ah, then Wikipedia's definition of 'free' is wrong. The US is a democracy, isn't it? does the majority back the Iraq invasion? :) FreeBSD may be -- as GNU/Linux -- 'free as in beer', you can get it (almost) for free (you have to pay your DSL line/electricity to download it, or media and shipping, etc). But try to brew your own beer -- then GNU/Linux and FreeBSD biogenetic engineers will teach you what 'freedom' is. SCNR
Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops
In epistula a Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] die horaque Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:00:49 +0100: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:26:56AM -0400, Nick ! wrote: On 3/19/07, Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 10:06:43PM +0100, Joachim Schipper wrote: Aggressive compiler optimizations are not generally a good idea. The developers believe they are an unnecessary source of bugs, and since I would like to point out here that the idea of optimization is that an equivalent code that executes faster is produced. Optimizations don't permit generating code that is not equivalent, unless specifically stated in the flag description (-ffast-math). It's therefore not the responsibility of the programmer to check whether the result of optimization is correct. Therefore it's not the optimizations that are source of bugs, but bugs in GCC. But the practical fact is that GCC has these bugs and so optimizations are an unnecessary source of bugs. But the proper way to handle these bugs is not work around them, but report them to the GCC developer so they can fix it. Otherwise we'll never get rid of them. CL http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=30785 no comment required, as 'it rains outside -- you get wet'. ;D
Re: No Blob without Puffy
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:26:18 -0500 Matthew Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Timo Schoeler wrote: people with a total lack of so called 'soft skills' won't see them, tho, but that is neither Theo's problem nor anyone else's. Give me a break. If anyone posted here saying that they would post some private correspondence with Theo unless he took some action, misc@ would be all over them. -- Matthew Weigel hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] you didn't get the point, again; q.e.d. let's stop abusing electrons :)
Re: Seeking opinion about OpenBSD
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 07:08:16 -0700 (PDT) satimis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, CPU - AMD Athlon64 X2 AM2 512Kx2 3,800 Mobo - ASUS M2N-E with onboard NIC, nVidia chipsets Vedio Card - ASUS EN7600 with nVidia chipsets I have been searching around for a 64 bit OS to run as server. The OS will be easy to install, rigid and w/o driver problem. In the last 3 weeks I have been testing 64 bit FreeBSD 6.2, archlinux 0.8, slamd64 11.0, CentOS 4.4, etc. All of them have nvidia driver problem, FreeBSD being the worst. I'll install X and Xfce-4.2 as desktop. They won't start at boot. The only reason for me retaining X is for communication via Internet. I'm not feeling comfortable on running text browse such as Elinks, etc. Also on Internet browsing the websites complain requesting me to run GUI browser. Please advise will OpenBSD serve my need. TIA B.R. satimis i have a similar setup here serving me as a low energy personal file, email server and misc task machine (i have an Athlon64 AM2 3800+ EE SFF with 35 Watt power drawing maximum, and 2GByte Kingston ECC DDR2 RAM). the first i did was to disable the onboard NIC (nVidia crap) of my ASUS M2NPV-VM and put an intel-based board into that machine. honestly, this was the also last thing i did. the machine runs an amd64 snapshot of 4.1 Beta very happily. HTH, timo
Re: Seeking opinion about OpenBSD
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 23:20:08 +0800 (CST) Stephen Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Timo, Tks for your advice. you're welcome :) - snip - i have a similar setup here serving me as a low energy personal file, email server and misc task machine (i have an Athlon64 AM2 3800+ EE SFF with 35 Watt power drawing maximum, and 2GByte Kingston ECC DDR2 RAM). the first i did was to disable the onboard NIC (nVidia crap) of my ASUS M2NPV-VM and put an intel-based board into that machine. I did the same plugging in a NIC with realtek chipset. It worked. Another problem on X still existed. Although I can run X on incorrect resolution because I don't do graphic editing on server. But the problem was the fonts on desktop being too tiny to read. I can't adjust them. did you try xorgconfig or xorgcfg? (i myself didn't even try to run X on that machine; i redirected console output to serial interface at installation time. my bet always is to install a good old Matrox card and be happy ;) B.R. Stephen Liu HTH, timo
Re: will Tandberg StorageLoader play nice?
In epistula a [EMAIL PROTECTED] die horaque Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:43:35 +1300: Henrik Hellerstedt wrote: According to ch(4) virtually any tape changer / scsi juke box will work, but before I order one it would be nice if the community could recommend a juke box they know works well. Something like Tandbergs StorageLoader is what I had i mind: http://www.tandbergdatacorp.com/products/products_automation_StorageLoaderLTO2.htm Sincerely Henrik Hellerstedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] what h/w underneath you are going to have to drive that? LTO requires a high level of throughput from both the underlying disk subsystem and also the backup app - e.g. tar/cpio are lousy compared to the commercial products. blocksize 256k also helps a lot, but needs to be benchmarked for _your_ system. a+ scorch i just tested a Tandberg T40 Tape Library (LTO3, 40 Slots). it's connected to a RHEL 5 Beta machine as backup server using FC. as test i did backup my OpenBSD workstation (there's an official Arkeia client for OpenBSD, though 3.8 is the most recent) connected via GBit Ethernet. this setup -- Arkeia 6.0.3, Tandberg T40 and OpenBSD 4.0 -- turned out to be the best backup system i ever touched. awesome! HTH, timo
Programming Ada on OpenBSD?
hi list, does anybody use OpenBSD as Ada programming platform? i'd love to, but it seems to require tweaking of GCC. any hints? tia, timo
Re: Programming Ada on OpenBSD?
In epistula a Markus Hennecke [EMAIL PROTECTED] die horaque Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:14:14 +0100: Trond Danielsen wrote: 2007/2/25, Timo Schoeler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi list, does anybody use OpenBSD as Ada programming platform? Take a look at the list of availble packages - http://www.openbsd.org/4.0_packages/i386.html - and search for gnat. Last time I looked into gnat on OpenBSD I stumbled across some problems. The fpu was not initialized, so using floating point arithmetic lead to interesting results. Also there was no support for tasking in the gnat package. I did make a patch that resolved those issues, but other things distracted me from making it final. I will try to rework this on a machine running current, so that those patches could go into ports. Greetings Markus hi, i'd appreciate this effort very much! :) best, timo
Re: web sites not accessible
In epistula a Gustavo Rios [EMAIL PROTECTED] die horaque Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:08:08 -0200: Dear gentelmen/madams, i would like to thank you all for you suggestion. They were to the point. Now, one doubt raised up in regards to man 4 pppoe and the link suggested below. In theory, what should it be the maximum MSS over a PPPoE interface; 1452 or 1454 ? Thanks once more. hi, see the article. it explains fairly well that it depends on the network _behind_, mostly ATM, which works based on so-called cells. if your paket fits in N cells without using an additional cell only partly, it's perfect. HTH, timo On 2/11/07, Timo Schoeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In epistula a Gustavo Rios [EMAIL PROTECTED] die horaque Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:55:14 -0200: Thanks, but i am using kernel pppoe! How can it be changed? i'm not top-posting ;) might be of help http://www.mynetwatchman.com/kb/adsl/pppoemtu.htm /i'm not top-posting ;) HTH, timo On 2/11/07, Paul D. Ouderkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/10/07, Gustavo Rios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list members, i am trying to build a firewall. Up to now, everything is ok, except for some http sites that cannot be shown. ... I can ping world outside my private network, as also telnet, ssh, etc ... This may be a long-shot, but I once had similar symptoms on a network with a PPPoE DSL connection. Everything would work as I expected, but certain web sites would just never load. Try lowering the MTU on the PPPoE interface, it worked for me. In /etc/ppp/ppp.conf: set mtu max 1480 Try setting various values starting at 1480 and lowering the value until the web page problem is fixed. -- -- Paul D. Ouderkirk Senior UNIX System Administrator JadedPixel Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- laughing, in the mechanism -- William Gibson
Re: Broadcom Gigabit NIC Interface Translation From Debian/Linux To OpenBSD
In epistula a Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] die horaque Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:57:42 +0100: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-02-11 02:15]: I have two OpenBSD machines connected with 2Mbps thru a leased-lines in different locations, A B. Both machines colocated at location A and location B has a bge0 NIC card with 100/1000Mbps speed and each of these interfaces shall be connected to a device between the sites. This NIC card is detected and configured in Debian/Linux as: eth1 speed 10 duplex full autoneg off inet 192.168.111.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 NONE What stumbled me is that I cannot ping location A from location B vice-versa. Any classic autoneg vs hard set issue... since apparently your device is set to 10Mbit/s full-duplex, and no autoneg, you need to do the same on the openbsd box. sth like inet 1.2.3.4 255.255.255.0 NONE media 10baseT mediaopt full-duplex now of course spending half a minute with the relevant manpages (i. e. hostname.if and ifconfig) makes that crystal clear. for GNU/Linux(TM) guys it seems near to impossible to ask man pages; that's more than obvious, as their man pages are worse than crappy. i have to deal at work with GNU/Linux(TM) and that's why i have at least my 'workstation' converted to OpenBSD -- my home is my castle. GNU/Linux(TM)'s 'documentation' is one of the reasons for search engines. SCNR, but it was worth it ;) timo -- Henning Brauer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting - Hamburg Amsterdam
Re: web sites not accessible
In epistula a Gustavo Rios [EMAIL PROTECTED] die horaque Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:55:14 -0200: Thanks, but i am using kernel pppoe! How can it be changed? i'm not top-posting ;) might be of help http://www.mynetwatchman.com/kb/adsl/pppoemtu.htm /i'm not top-posting ;) HTH, timo On 2/11/07, Paul D. Ouderkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/10/07, Gustavo Rios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list members, i am trying to build a firewall. Up to now, everything is ok, except for some http sites that cannot be shown. ... I can ping world outside my private network, as also telnet, ssh, etc ... This may be a long-shot, but I once had similar symptoms on a network with a PPPoE DSL connection. Everything would work as I expected, but certain web sites would just never load. Try lowering the MTU on the PPPoE interface, it worked for me. In /etc/ppp/ppp.conf: set mtu max 1480 Try setting various values starting at 1480 and lowering the value until the web page problem is fixed. -- -- Paul D. Ouderkirk Senior UNIX System Administrator JadedPixel Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- laughing, in the mechanism -- William Gibson
Re: bsd.mp on sparc64?
In epistula a [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason George) die horaque Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:11:44 GMT: Somebady knows will bsd.mp be (when) on sparc64 prcessors? Since no developer is currently working on multiprocessor sparc64 code, it could be a while. It's been almost 2 years since I gave Theo the original machines to get the Ultrasparc III working, 9 months since Mark K starting hacking at the cache issues in order to bring the processor up to full speed, and 2 months since Jason W got a Cassini network card to beat on. Clearly, it can take time to get things started and to the point where there is some traction. This is not to say that a few developers aren't potentially interested at one level or another, though. Once there is more formal development interest, developer free-time, AND appropriate hardware is available, things may change. --Jason so, e.g. donating two 450MHz UltraSPARC II CPUs for claudio@'s 420R would help? is there something not listed in http://openbsd.org/want.html that would be of some use in this issue? best, timo
Re: bsd.mp on sparc64?
In epistula a [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason George) die horaque Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:05:02 GMT: Somebady knows will bsd.mp be (when) on sparc64 prcessors? Since no developer is currently working on multiprocessor sparc64 code, it could be a while. It's been almost 2 years since I gave Theo the original machines to get the Ultrasparc III working, 9 months since Mark K starting hacking at the cache issues in order to bring the processor up to full speed, and 2 months since Jason W got a Cassini network card to beat on. Clearly, it can take time to get things started and to the point where there is some traction. This is not to say that a few developers aren't potentially interested at one level or another, though. Once there is more formal development interest, developer free-time, AND appropriate hardware is available, things may change. --Jason so, e.g. donating two 450MHz UltraSPARC II CPUs for claudio@'s 420R would help? is there something not listed in http://openbsd.org/want.html that would be of some use in this issue? I suspect that there are enough multiprocessor-capable machines out there that simply require additional processors to be inserted. yeah, sure. and there already may be a lot of machines /with/ PM config, as my Ultra 2 Model 2400 here. ;) Fulfilling a developer request just takes care of the request. The only way to determine why Claudio is asking for a pair of processors is to ask Claudio. sure. The thing that is always helpful for greasing the wheels is cash. This has been true in some form or another for thousands of years. Lots of things can occur when there's someone providing the piggy bank for a project. errr, okay, i don't want to join into this discussion. i have my opinion on money and money-related things. :)
how does RAIDframe on macppc perform 'in the real world'?
hi list, i'm about to build a RAID1 using RAIDframe (OpenBSD 4.0) on a good, old Power Mac G4. i'll be using two WD Caviar RE hard discs as well as a Promise TX4 300 HBA. are there any issues known for RAID1/RAIDframe on macppc or does it run as intended? thanks, timo
Re: Sun Fire X2100 M2
In epistula a [EMAIL PROTECTED] die horaque Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:02:44 +0200: Hi, Does anyone have any experience with this HW on OpenBSD. I can't find specifics on the NICs used on Suns webpage. What are they and are they well supported? This seems like the perfect package for my purposes. Regards, Edvard http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-miscw=2r=1s=x2100q=b HTH, timo
Re: macppc SMP fundraising
howdy, Good morning misc@ In some private emails with gwk@, he has said that he'd like to work on getting SMP on the macppc platform working, but lacks a good, fast machine with which to do the work. what is 'fast' here? That's where we come in. I'm looking around, and we can get a useful machine to him on the cheap. If you're interested in helping out with this, please contact me off-list. will do. Thanks :) - Bert ps - of course, anything collected beyond the purchase/shipping price will go to OpenBSD :)
