Re: Newsgroups restructure

2001-06-12 Thread jesus X

JTK wrote:
 
 So what's the ETA on getting the netscape. out of the names of these
 groups, seeing as everyone keeps telling me that Netscape and Mozilla
 are entirely unrelated?

Whoever said they're TOTALLY unrelated is a pinhead, much like yourself.

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Re: Netscape has pulled secnews.netscape.com service

2001-06-12 Thread Christian Mattar

Hi!

It seems secnews is back on its feet, even on the secure port.

Christian




Re: Netscape 6.1 instead of 6.5?

2001-06-12 Thread Holger Metzger

JTK wrote:

 But... then why did NETSCAPE 6.01, which as I keep getting told is
 TOTALLY UNRELATED TO MOZILLA, leave behind something with MOZ in the
 name?!?!??!  That seems contrary to reason, doesn't it?

Excuse me? Netscape 6.01 is based on the same Mozilla branch as Mozilla
0.6 - Netscape 6.01 is a Netscape customized version of Mozilla 0.6.


Holger
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Another suggestion: part II

2001-06-12 Thread Alex Usero

Well, here I am again, with another suggestion I have:

This time is related mail responsing, again inside a mailing list. 
Suppose that I want to answer a mail that I've received from a mailing 
list. How can I do it if I just want to answer to the mailing list?, not 
to the person that has written it.

Well I have two options:

1) Reply All:
With this option the message is adressed to (for instance inside this 
mailing list): the person who has written it, the mailing list's 
address, and the newsgroup. Well, this is ok, but I just wanna answer to 
the mailing list. If I want to do it I have to delete two of the 
adresses it indicates.

2) Reply:
With this option, the message is adressed to the person who has written 
it. Well, this is another choice. But as I said before, I want to write 
only to the mailing list, but not to the one who has written it.

- Here is where I find the BUG, when you change the address to write, 
i.e. you change the person who has written it to the address of the 
mailing list, everything seems ok, but the message is adressed ONLY to 
the person who has written it.

Well that's all. Thanks





Re: Netscape 6.1 instead of 6.5?

2001-06-12 Thread Gavin Long

jesus X wrote
 JTK wrote:
  Carlfish wrote:
   HTH, HAND, *plonk*
  Anyway, didn't you *plonk* me already Charlie?

 When people reply to you, that's a good sign you haven't been
plonked yet.

This particular troll has changed his (faked) e-mail address more than
once, presumably _because_ he noticed that no-one was replying.

I *plonked* with as much prejudice as this crappy MS news client would
allow me, but I suspect that many others just blocked the moving
target.

The didn't you plonk me already was presumably a childish
nose-thumbing.

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Re: Mozilla Mail/Newsgroup and Proxy+

2001-06-12 Thread Henno Buschmann

Hi,

Fulvio Perini schrieb:
 
 Henno Buschmann wrote:
 
 i just downloaded Mozilla 0.91 on my Workstation, which has no direct
 Internetconnection. The Computer connects through a Proxy on my Server
 to the internet. For HTTP it works fine. But not for Mail and
 Newsgroups.
 
 I configured the Proxy for Socks 5 and HTTP Proxy, so i did in Mozilla,
 but Mail doesn't work. Which protocol is to use?

 I have been successful with Direct connection to Internet,although,I
 always get the Alert:Connection refused to server.
 But,then comes the Password box,and I am ok.
I get:
Connection refused to the server.
Than i press ok and nothing happen :(

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[Offtopic] Re: Netscape 6.1 instead of 6.5?

2001-06-12 Thread Carlfish

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:19:17 +0100, Gavin Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 somehow managed to type:

I *plonked* with as much prejudice as this crappy MS news client would
allow me, but I suspect that many others just blocked the moving
target.

When someone finds me a GUI client that does even half the things slrn
does, I'll be amazed, but probably still won't use it. (because I wouldn't
be able to detach it in screen[1] and take it to work.)

Things like being able to gradually reduce the priority of messages based
on how many newsgroups they're cross-posted to, or whether they've got
all-caps subject lines become invaluable very quickly. And being able to
automagically highlight anything that's a follow-up to your own post is
nice for busy groups. (or when you just need an ego-boost)

Charles Miller
   [1] The author of screen should be sainted.




Re: Another suggestion: part II

2001-06-12 Thread Christopher Jahn

And it came to pass that Alex Usero wrote:

 Well, here I am again, with another suggestion I have:
 
 This time is related mail responsing, again inside a mailing
 list. Suppose that I want to answer a mail that I've
 received from a mailing list. How can I do it if I just want
 to answer to the mailing list?, not to the person that has
 written it. 
 
 Well I have two options:
 
 1) Reply All:
 With this option the message is adressed to (for instance
 inside this mailing list): the person who has written it,
 the mailing list's address, and the newsgroup. Well, this is
 ok, but I just wanna answer to the mailing list. If I want
 to do it I have to delete two of the adresses it indicates.
 
 2) Reply:
 With this option, the message is adressed to the person who
 has written it. Well, this is another choice. But as I said
 before, I want to write only to the mailing list, but not to
 the one who has written it. 
 
 - Here is where I find the BUG, when you change the address
 to write, i.e. you change the person who has written it to
 the address of the mailing list, everything seems ok, but
 the message is adressed ONLY to the person who has written
 it. 
 
 Well that's all. Thanks
 

I filed a bug on this last year, presumably it's in the works 
somewhere.



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Re: Java Flash dont work!!

2001-06-12 Thread Andrew Bevitt

Andrew Bevitt wrote:

 Im new to mozilla, and im entirely confused to why it wont wrok properly.
 I am running mozilla 0.9.1 on debian (woody), now 
 I installed the program to /usr/local/mozilla and then made a symlink to
 my java runtimes
 ln -s /usr/local/java/jre /usr/local/mozilla/plugins/java2
 and then another link to libjavaplugin_oji.so
 in the same directory
 I then downloaded the Flash files extracted them and placed them in the
 directory aswell
 This didnt work niether java or flash were detect (java jdk 1.3.1) so I
 proceeded under a friends advise to install mozilla in my home dir
 I have done that now and done all the links again
 lo and behold it dont work
 
 Someone help please
 
 Thankz!!
 
Yeah that worked thankz!!




How to move the profile folder to another drive???

2001-06-12 Thread Tom

time!  The mail and LDAP is now really usable.  However, under WinNT it
migrates my Netscape Navigator profile over to Mozilla, but puts it under my
WinNT profile on my hard drive (i.e. C:\WINNT\PROFILES\username\APPLICATION
DATA\MOZILLA).  It cannot be put there, because we use NT roaming profiles
and it increases the size of my profile beyond what the limits imposed upon
us are.  And when doing the import/conversion of the Netscape profile, it
never asks you where you would like to store it.

We have a network folder where these things need to go... So, what does
one do to MOVE the Mozilla profile folder over to another drive and still
retain all your settings?  Or is there a way I can reinstall it (or re-run
the Netscape converter) and have Mozilla ask me where I want to put the
folder? Thanks in advance.

Tom
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Re: Netscape has pulled secnews.netscape.com service

2001-06-12 Thread Jay Garcia

Christian Mattar wrote:
 
 Hi!
 
 It seems secnews is back on its feet, even on the secure port.
 
 Christian

And not only that, we're still in the Browser business .. fancy that !! 
:o)

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Re: Netscape has pulled secnews.netscape.com service

2001-06-12 Thread Christian Mattar

Hi!

Jay Garcia wrote:
 
 Christian Mattar wrote:
 
  Hi!
 
  It seems secnews is back on its feet, even on the secure port.
 
  Christian
 
 And not only that, we're still in the Browser business .. fancy that !!
 :o)

It gets better and better - Imagine: Netscape is != Mozilla, although
they share some registry keys! Can things get even more implausible? :-P

Christian




weird rendering

2001-06-12 Thread Torgeir Veimo

On pdabuzz the forums are rendered very weird with the latest nightly.
See http://www2.pdabuzz.com/Forums/showthread.php?s=threadid=18715

Don't know if this is a bug in the design though.
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DIV: Re: General Question

2001-06-12 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.

WOW We have a genious in our midst! Anyone that can understand Unix
and Windows. Plus experince the joy of using Mac as well.  Must be up
there with Einstein!!

What little I have fiddled with it (helping a Windows friend trouble
shoot a problem. I do like the looks of 98 better than 95.

Asa Dotzler wrote:
 
 JTK wrote:
 
 snip
  NOBODY uses Win9x because they like it!  They use it only because they
  have no other realistic option, and nobody seems to be willing to give
  them one.
 
 I'm nobody. I like Windows 98 more than NT, 2K or XP.  I have them all
 running, along with Mac OS 8.5, 9.1 and X, and RedHat 6.1 (I'll have 7.1
 rsn). I like all of them. They all have strong points.  They all have
 weak points.
 
 --Asa

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Re: Netscape has pulled secnews.netscape.com service

2001-06-12 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.


Jay Garcia wrote:
 
 Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
 
 
  DeMoN_LaG wrote:
 
 Holger Metzger wrote:
 
 
 On 6/10/01 6:20 PM, Chuck Simmons wrote:
 
 
 
 Holger Metzger wrote:
 
 
 
 On 6/10/01 4:19 PM, Mark wrote:
 
 
 
 
 After calling Netscape Communications on Friday evening when
 Netscape's secured news servers (secnews.netscape.com, port 563)
 when it become inaccessible, John from Netscape Communications
 informed me that Netscape is no longer interested in continuing
 the news server service and has pulled the service.  He asked me
 if I read the recent news story about Netscape no longer being in
 the web browser business.  I said Yes and he said that is probably
 why Netscape has ceased the secnews.netscape.com service.
 
 What are we supposed to do for good end user support for
 Netscape Communicator 4.x support?
 
 Contacting Netscape Communications
 http://home.netscape.com/company/contacts/index.html?cp=cmp
 
 
 
 
 
 The news server still works on port 119. They should make
 netscape.communicator and the netscape.netscape6.* groups available for
 that port as well.
 
 Holger
 
 
 
 They were specifically asked not to. The news admins, however, are not
 answering pages and fail to reply to email. I think one may be on
 sabatical but there should be coverage. I suspect either a DNS screwup
 or apathy. History says the latter is fairly likely but the former is
 possible.
 
 
 The latter sounds logical, yes. Most ISPs use the oldest machines they
 have to set up a news server, and then it stands in the corner. When I
 was asked to set up a news server for the company I work for they gave
 me a Pentium/133mhz with 64mb and a 2 gig hard drive. If it breaks, and
 I'm on vacation it won't be fixed until I'm back. Maybe same thing
 happened at Netscape. Let's hope :)
 
 Holger
 
 
 well it can't be completely down...  I'm reading this via
 secnews.netscape.com
 
 
  You must have got it when they were preforming a test. because I tried
  just a few minutes ago and received messge that the server was not
  accepting messages as per a previous .jpg image I sent further back in
  this thread.
 
 
 secnews.netscape.com:119 is up and active/accessible .. :563 is down due
 to cert renewal difficulties. There, no more rumor milling now !! :-)
 
 --
 Jay Garcia - Netscape Champion
 Novell MCNE-5/CNI
 UFAQ - http://www.UFAQ.org
 Post To Group ONLY, No Email Please!!

This moring was able to receive secnews.netscape.com groups on on port
583. So eveidently they have got their certificate problems fixed.

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Bugzilla

2001-06-12 Thread Stuart Ballard

There is a note on bugzilla saying:

Bugzilla will be unavailable on Tuesday, June 12 for up to two hours
starting at 6pm for a system upgrade

But there's no mention of what timezone this 6pm refers to.

I'm assuming that this is in Pacific Time, but since Mozilla has
contributors from all over the world, it would be polite to make this
explicit.

/mini-rant

Stuart.




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2001-06-12 Thread heatherr

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Gringos (this is a friendly term here)
is mutual. There is an abundance
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young ladies in this small 
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are especially interested in
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of this group. That is the
reason for the post.
 
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Please take a moment to visit.

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Re: DIV: Re: General Question

2001-06-12 Thread jesus X

Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
 
 WOW We have a genious in our midst! Anyone that can understand Unix
 and Windows. Plus experince the joy of using Mac as well.  Must be up
 there with Einstein!!

The only part I'm missing is the joy of the MacOS part. I can use it, and can
understand some of it's advantages over most x86 operating systems, I just don't
ENJOY using it. I feel too confined and protected in it.

As I've said though, Mac OS X changes all that. I LIKE Mac OS X.

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Re: Another suggestion.

2001-06-12 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.

Yes I save copies of all correspondence on newsgroups and email That I have.

I have an electronics newsgroup (that's sent in email format). I save
everyone of those messages and then compress them in groups of two
hundred in .sit format. Then when i get a group of 10 or more of the sit
files I then move them to zip 250 cartridges for backup.

Communicator picks up the titles of the messages automatically (at least
the mac version does)
 Mozilla doesn't do that it forces you to remember the title and spell
everything correctly. when I save such items I just scan read them and
save them. If I save several hundred in a day that takes a long time.

As for sending original response I thought I sent it to list (at least I
read it in the list). If it was sent to you in error my appologies.

I am sending a copy of this to you and the newsgroup this time. It's
deliberate this time. 

Alex Usero wrote:
 
 Ok Phillip,
 I didn't understand your message, sorry.
 
 What you mean is when you want to save a message, but I don't
 understand what you say. You mean that you want to save it on disk?
 
 You sent me the message directly to me, if you want to add another
 suggestion, please adress it to the mailing list.
 
 Have a nice day!
 
 Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
 
  I was not criticizing your suggestion. I was only adding another
  suggestion as well.
  Alex Usero wrote:
 
  Hello, I refer when you are in the browser, not in the mail
  programme.
  Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
 
   What I would to see is when you do a save as for an email is
   that
   it
   uses the same action as in Communicator. automatically pickup
   the
   title of the email or news message from the header information.
   Mozilla, you have to type in the title.
   Alex Usero wrote:
  
Hello, I have another suggestion to Mozilla ...
when you select Save as or Save Image, it appears a Save
File
dialog box with the Look in: and the .. buttons.
I consider that a Create a new Directory would be useful, and
another
button that points to your Home directory (now it remembers the
last
directory you used to save). This option could be set up in the
Preferences dialog box or be the home directory from your user.
I've detected a minor bug (while I'm writing this message :),
when
you
select Save as and you don't press the ok or cancel button
Mozilla
waits for you (not only the browser, the mail too.. )
Bye
  

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Re: DIV: Re: General Question

2001-06-12 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.


jesus X wrote:
 
 Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
 
  WOW We have a genious in our midst! Anyone that can understand Unix
  and Windows. Plus experince the joy of using Mac as well.  Must be up
  there with Einstein!!
 
 The only part I'm missing is the joy of the MacOS part. I can use it, and can
 understand some of it's advantages over most x86 operating systems, I just don't
 ENJOY using it. I feel too confined and protected in it.
 
 As I've said though, Mac OS X changes all that. I LIKE Mac OS X.
 
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That's one of the things I've liked the Mac system up until OS-X is
that you can't wipe out all the contents of the hard drive you are
working on by accident. It has to be a deliberate act.

You must boot either from system CD or another Hard Drive to do so.

On windows use of the Init C: command and poof! all the contents is
unceremoniously wiped off the face of the startup up drive.

On Unix its my understanding you have to login is root first before you
can do the same thing. Although I have 18 years experience on Computers
PC's and Mac's. I am still human and could accidently do something
wrong. So I like a system that attempts to save me from myself.

When I first started out I was uncomfortable mucking around in
programing in DOS even creating autoexec.bat and config.sys files.

Despite my ablities in Electronics and Hardware repair. I always felt
inadaquate trying frograming even in the mildest of Basic. I always felt
that people that had those abilities were more of the MIT types.

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Re: Netscape has pulled secnews.netscape.com service

2001-06-12 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.


Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
 
 Jay Garcia wrote:
 
  Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
 
  
   DeMoN_LaG wrote:
  
  Holger Metzger wrote:
  
  
  On 6/10/01 6:20 PM, Chuck Simmons wrote:
  
  
  
  Holger Metzger wrote:
  
  
  
  On 6/10/01 4:19 PM, Mark wrote:
  
  
  
  
  After calling Netscape Communications on Friday evening when
  Netscape's secured news servers (secnews.netscape.com, port 563)
  when it become inaccessible, John from Netscape Communications
  informed me that Netscape is no longer interested in continuing
  the news server service and has pulled the service.  He asked me
  if I read the recent news story about Netscape no longer being in
  the web browser business.  I said Yes and he said that is probably
  why Netscape has ceased the secnews.netscape.com service.
  
  What are we supposed to do for good end user support for
  Netscape Communicator 4.x support?
  
  Contacting Netscape Communications
  http://home.netscape.com/company/contacts/index.html?cp=cmp
  
  
  
  
  
  The news server still works on port 119. They should make
  netscape.communicator and the netscape.netscape6.* groups available for
  that port as well.
  
  Holger
  
  
  
  They were specifically asked not to. The news admins, however, are not
  answering pages and fail to reply to email. I think one may be on
  sabatical but there should be coverage. I suspect either a DNS screwup
  or apathy. History says the latter is fairly likely but the former is
  possible.
  
  
  The latter sounds logical, yes. Most ISPs use the oldest machines they
  have to set up a news server, and then it stands in the corner. When I
  was asked to set up a news server for the company I work for they gave
  me a Pentium/133mhz with 64mb and a 2 gig hard drive. If it breaks, and
  I'm on vacation it won't be fixed until I'm back. Maybe same thing
  happened at Netscape. Let's hope :)
  
  Holger
  
  
  well it can't be completely down...  I'm reading this via
  secnews.netscape.com
  
  
   You must have got it when they were preforming a test. because I tried
   just a few minutes ago and received messge that the server was not
   accepting messages as per a previous .jpg image I sent further back in
   this thread.
  
 
  secnews.netscape.com:119 is up and active/accessible .. :563 is down due
  to cert renewal difficulties. There, no more rumor milling now !! :-)
 
  --
  Jay Garcia - Netscape Champion
  Novell MCNE-5/CNI
  UFAQ - http://www.UFAQ.org
  Post To Group ONLY, No Email Please!!
 
 This moring was able to receive secnews.netscape.com groups on on port
 583. So eveidently they have got their certificate problems fixed.
 

Sorry about that the old arthritis is kicking up should be port 563 not 583.
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Re: Netscape has pulled secnews.netscape.com service

2001-06-12 Thread Jay Garcia

Christian Mattar wrote:
 
 Hi!
 
 Jay Garcia wrote:
 
  Christian Mattar wrote:
  
   Hi!
  
   It seems secnews is back on its feet, even on the secure port.
  
   Christian
 
  And not only that, we're still in the Browser business .. fancy that !!
  :o)
 
 It gets better and better - Imagine: Netscape is != Mozilla, although
 they share some registry keys! Can things get even more implausible? :-P
 
 Christian

I think folks are a tad confused. Communicator and Mozilla/6.x are
totally unrelated. Mozilla is open source and 6.xx is a branded
version of Mozilla 

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Re: Bugzilla

2001-06-12 Thread Jay Garcia

Stuart Ballard wrote:
 
 There is a note on bugzilla saying:
 
 Bugzilla will be unavailable on Tuesday, June 12 for up to two hours
 starting at 6pm for a system upgrade
 
 But there's no mention of what timezone this 6pm refers to.
 
 I'm assuming that this is in Pacific Time, but since Mozilla has
 contributors from all over the world, it would be polite to make this
 explicit.
 
 /mini-rant
 
 Stuart.

The 6pm referred to is PST

crosspost cancelled


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Re: Netscape 6.1 instead of 6.5?

2001-06-12 Thread JTK

jesus X wrote:
 
 JTK wrote:
  Carlfish wrote:
   HTH, HAND, *plonk*
  Anyway, didn't you *plonk* me already Charlie?
 
 When people reply to you, that's a good sign you haven't been plonked yet.


Well you'd think that, but many people seem to have a habit of saying
they've *plonk*ed me, and yet still somehow manage to read and respond
to my posts.
 
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Re: Netscape 6.1 instead of 6.5?

2001-06-12 Thread JTK

Gavin Long wrote:
 
 jesus X wrote
  JTK wrote:
   Carlfish wrote:
HTH, HAND, *plonk*
   Anyway, didn't you *plonk* me already Charlie?
 
  When people reply to you, that's a good sign you haven't been
 plonked yet.
 
 This particular troll has changed his (faked) e-mail address more than
 once, presumably _because_ he noticed that no-one was replying.


Ah, no Gavin, I've posted from a grand total of two separate accounts. 
I will continue to do so, so your plonking will just have to take that
into account.  Sorry.
 
 I *plonked* with as much prejudice as this crappy MS news client would
 allow me, but I suspect that many others just blocked the moving
 target.
 

Well no wonder!  You're for some strange reason using a *Microsoft* news
client!  WHY ARE YOU NOT USING MOZILLA TO READ NEWS, GAVIN?  I'M SURE IT
HAS A *MUCH* BETTER PLONKING MECHANISM!

 The didn't you plonk me already was presumably a childish
 nose-thumbing.


Kinda like your post here Gav?  Or more like posting what games your
playing and books your reading and assuming anyone cares?  Come on.
 
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 Infinity, John Meaney; Thief Of Time, Terry Pratchett;




Re: [Offtopic] Re: Netscape 6.1 instead of 6.5?

2001-06-12 Thread JTK

Carlfish wrote:
 
 On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:19:17 +0100, Gavin Long [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  somehow managed to type:
 
 I *plonked* with as much prejudice as this crappy MS news client would
 allow me, but I suspect that many others just blocked the moving
 target.
 
 When someone finds me a GUI client that does even half the things slrn
 does, I'll be amazed,

So why don't we just take the slrn code and add it to Mozilla!  Oh wait,
then AOL couldn't use it, since it's GPLed.




Re: Netscape 6.1 instead of 6.5?

2001-06-12 Thread Mike Koenecke

How pathetic. Get a life, Junior. It is evident you have nothing
productive to contribute to the discussion, and have not for some
time. Yeah, I'm plonking you too now, as you're dreadfully boring.

(Yes, I use Agent for news, and Pegasus for mail. I use Mozilla only
for browsing, because I prefer separate components for these
functions.)

On or about Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:49:13 -0500, JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED]
allegedly wrote:

Gavin Long wrote:
 
 jesus X wrote
  JTK wrote:
   Carlfish wrote:
HTH, HAND, *plonk*
   Anyway, didn't you *plonk* me already Charlie?
 
  When people reply to you, that's a good sign you haven't been
 plonked yet.
 
 This particular troll has changed his (faked) e-mail address more than
 once, presumably _because_ he noticed that no-one was replying.


Ah, no Gavin, I've posted from a grand total of two separate accounts. 
I will continue to do so, so your plonking will just have to take that
into account.  Sorry.
 
 I *plonked* with as much prejudice as this crappy MS news client would
 allow me, but I suspect that many others just blocked the moving
 target.
 

Well no wonder!  You're for some strange reason using a *Microsoft* news
client!  WHY ARE YOU NOT USING MOZILLA TO READ NEWS, GAVIN?  I'M SURE IT
HAS A *MUCH* BETTER PLONKING MECHANISM!

 The didn't you plonk me already was presumably a childish
 nose-thumbing.


Kinda like your post here Gav?  Or more like posting what games your
playing and books your reading and assuming anyone cares?  Come on.
 
 --
 gav
 Playing: TFC1.5; Tachyon: The Fringe; Now reading: Fairyland, Paul J
 McAuley; Just read: Cosmonaut Keep, Ken MacLeod; Just Read: To Hold
 Infinity, John Meaney; Thief Of Time, Terry Pratchett;

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to reply, change nowhere to home




Re: DIV: Re: General Question

2001-06-12 Thread JTK

Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
 
 jesus X wrote:
 
  Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
  
   WOW We have a genious in our midst! Anyone that can understand Unix
   and Windows. Plus experince the joy of using Mac as well.  Must be up
   there with Einstein!!
 
  The only part I'm missing is the joy of the MacOS part. I can use it, and can
  understand some of it's advantages over most x86 operating systems, I just don't
  ENJOY using it. I feel too confined and protected in it.
 
  As I've said though, Mac OS X changes all that. I LIKE Mac OS X.
 
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 That's one of the things I've liked the Mac system up until OS-X is
 that you can't wipe out all the contents of the hard drive you are
 working on by accident. It has to be a deliberate act.
 

OS X lets you wipe out your root drive accidentally?  Wowzers.

 You must boot either from system CD or another Hard Drive to do so.
 
 On windows use of the Init C: command and poof! all the contents is
 unceremoniously wiped off the face of the startup up drive.
 

AFAIK, and IK quite a bit, there is no Init command on Windows. 
You're probably thinking of format or fdisk or something, both of which
go to great pains to make sure you really want to do what you say you
want to do.  And on NT/2000, you'll get nowhere trying to do so from
anything other than an admin acct.

And for the record, I've never once accidentally wiped out the contents
of any drive, root or otherwise, on any Windows system.  I know of
nobody who's done so.

 On Unix its my understanding you have to login is root first before you
 can do the same thing. Although I have 18 years experience on Computers
 PC's and Mac's. I am still human and could accidently do something
 wrong. So I like a system that attempts to save me from myself.


So after you've accidentally brought up a command.com and accidentally
typed format c:, you then accidentally answer yes to the question
Do you really want to format your root partition??  I think you'd
better stay away from computers altogether Phil.
 
 When I first started out I was uncomfortable mucking around in
 programing in DOS even creating autoexec.bat and config.sys files.
 
 Despite my ablities in Electronics and Hardware repair. I always felt
 inadaquate trying frograming even in the mildest of Basic. I always felt
 that people that had those abilities were more of the MIT types.
 

Not sure what any of that has to do with an illogical love of the Mac.

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Re: How to move the profile folder to another drive???

2001-06-12 Thread Gordon Ross

by the Cache directory. Take a look at 
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78480

GTG

Tom wrote

 We have a network folder where these things need to go... So, what does
 one do to MOVE the Mozilla profile folder over to another drive and still
 retain all your settings?  Or is there a way I can reinstall it (or re-run
 the Netscape converter) and have Mozilla ask me where I want to put the
 folder? Thanks in advance.
 
 Tom






Re: General Question

2001-06-12 Thread Asa Dotzler

JTK wrote:

snip 
 NOBODY uses Win9x because they like it!  They use it only because they
 have no other realistic option, and nobody seems to be willing to give
 them one.


I'm nobody. I like Windows 98 more than NT, 2K or XP.  I have them all 
running, along with Mac OS 8.5, 9.1 and X, and RedHat 6.1 (I'll have 7.1 
rsn). I like all of them. They all have strong points.  They all have 
weak points.


--Asa





loader.exe

2001-06-12 Thread Jeroen Roeterd

as far as I know, there would be a loader.exe to preload mozilla on 
windows startup. This would increase startup-time dramatically.

Is this only distributed in Mozilla 0.9.1 because I only dowloaden 
Nigthly's (latest is 2001060704) and I cana't find it.

Can't find anything else on the release notes.

Please inform me.

Greetings,
Jeroen Roeterd





Re: Netscape 6.1 instead of 6.5?

2001-06-12 Thread jesus X

JTK wrote:
 jesus X wrote:
  When people reply to you, that's a good sign you haven't been plonked yet.
 Well you'd think that, but many people seem to have a habit of saying
 they've *plonk*ed me, and yet still somehow manage to read and respond
 to my posts.

Like I said:
When people reply to you, that's a good sign you haven't been plonked yet.

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Re: loader.exe

2001-06-12 Thread N. Marshall


Jeroen Roeterd wrote:
 
 as far as I know, there would be a loader.exe to preload mozilla on
 windows startup. This would increase startup-time dramatically.
 
 Is this only distributed in Mozilla 0.9.1 because I only dowloaden
 Nigthly's (latest is 2001060704) and I cana't find it.
 
 Can't find anything else on the release notes.
 
 Please inform me.

Run:
mozilla.exe -turbo 

This will load mozilla into ram.  Then when you run:
mozilla.exe

it will load instantanously as everything it needs is already in ram.

All you need to do is add an icon for mozilla -turbo in your startup
folder, and place an icon for mozilla on your desktop and you're set.




Re: DIV: Re: General Question

2001-06-12 Thread Ian Hickson

On 12 Jun 2001, Carlfish wrote:

(And if you haven't then sat through the story of how they rescued the
 whole system without requiring a restore, through the use of only
 emacs, a pocket-knife and a roll of duct-tape, then you're a luckier
 man than I)

only emacs ?!

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Re: Identify browser as Internet Exploder

2001-06-12 Thread Alex

powerballz wrote:

 Is there any way to fake your browser version like you can in Opera? The 
 problem with doing this though is that webmasters will be getting skewed 
 demographics and continue to force non-standard MS-HTML on us. But on 
 the other hand, if the company is deliberately denying non-MS browsers 
 because of illegal contractual obligations either implied or expressed 
 with M$FT, then there is little we can do by either complying or LYING 
 about our browser.  I'd rather lie than be assimlated with all the 
 sheep, how about you?
 

user_pref(general.useragent.override, Mozilla/9.0 (some OS of your 
choice));

Put that in your user.js file in your profile (create it if its not 
present) and edit the agent string as whatever you like, but it takes a 
restart of the browser for it to take affect.

-- 
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Re: DIV: Re: General Question

2001-06-12 Thread jesus X

Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
 That's one of the things I've liked the Mac system up until OS-X is
 that you can't wipe out all the contents of the hard drive you are
 working on by accident. It has to be a deliberate act.

Same in OS X. there's not way to do it by accident, unless you're a complete
freaking idiot. GW Bush might be able to do it, but I've yet to see someone do
it by accident.
 
 On windows use of the Init C: command and poof! all the contents is
 unceremoniously wiped off the face of the startup up drive.

Nope. It's Format c: and even then it asks for confirmation. And even then you
can quit without damage. Until it gets to 99%, nothing is actually written to
the drive. Hit Ctrl-C, Ctrl-Break, Ctrl-Alt-Del, the reset or power buttons and
you're safe.

And that's only from a command prompt. Inside the GUI itself, right click on the
drive, select format, and it'll tell you that it can't do that, and not let you
continue. Even if it did, you'd STILL have to click another button confirming
you're choice.

 So I like a system that attempts to save me from myself.

The rest of us hate being treated like idiots.
 
 Despite my ablities in Electronics and Hardware repair. I always felt
 inadaquate trying frograming even in the mildest of Basic. I always felt
 that people that had those abilities were more of the MIT types.

Phil, I know 6 years old who can edit an autoexec.bat file with the greatest of
comforts.

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Re: Netscape 6.1 instead of 6.5?

2001-06-12 Thread jesus X

Henrik Lynggaard wrote:
 So you need to sniff to allow for the bug ridden today, and the pleasent
 future since the customer wont pay you a second time 1/2 year after to
 recode the thing for ns 6.5.

If they want to pay me for the extra work of coding poorly, fine. Otherwise I
code it so that it looks good in the majority of browsers without butt-ugly
code. I've never used LAYERs for a client site, because even in NS4 they were
deprecated. I've never used document.all (even though it's handy) but found
other more compatible means. Anything I've written will look great in NS6.5, and
IE6, as well as NS4.5 and higher and IE4 and higher. No ugly hacks needed.

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Re: Mozilla 0.9.1 Cookies

2001-06-12 Thread dcr

Sören Kress wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I upgraded my mozilla to 0.9.1 (running on linux). Now I have problems
 on some pages with cookies. Specifically I have problems with a simple
 JSP page that displays all HTTP header fields. After reloading this page
 I used to see a cookie. This is not the case with mozilla 0.9.1. The
 servlet engine is Tomcat 3.2.


Hi,

I have also a problem with Tomcat 3.2, cookies and Mozilla 0.9.1, the
mozilla browser is the only browser not working with the session cookie
set by my application. It looks like timeout is reached immediatly ! I
will investigate more and may be I encounter the same problem.
Did you add a bug report in bugzilla for this problem ?

David.


 
 Sören