Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business long
You are right regarding in not being statisfied with no intervention, military or not But in the end the situation is that moral issues are left to the individual and not to the collective That is one of the main hurdles to be taken as a responsible individual, sadly most of western governments and cooperations are showing a extreme lack of even the most basic morality and are showing a deeply felt disrespect towards its citizens and employees See the extreme budget cuts in all area's i.e. education, unemployment, ecology related (energy spending costs) mountain toppling ( usa) housing (mortgage scandal), Mexican Gulf disaster, Japan's extremely endangering the whole world fed by commercial interests How is it be possible that governements exorting their powers by the people mandate (democracy) justify the extreme exploitation of its own electorate? Remember that Cameron was on tour selling weapons in the ME? Weapons for peace or for profit? Me think that these power structures went wrong and are NOT the right bodies to take decisions regarding life and death simply because they are not mentally equiped for taking this decisions at all The last twenty years of international politics are showing just one thing: not taking care for the benefits of the people, neglecting the basic needs of the people, not acting according a shared common moral attitude, ignoring the rights of minorities, brutalizing 'normal' people, aggresively promoting self interest and self enrichment. This so called human live saving operation is an ordinary way of protecting the OIL supplies to the western hemisphere Where is the 'peace' corps in Bahrain or in Yemen, how about the normal practise of slavery in Saudi Arabia? We call the above Neo Liberalism, and it is Evil! Politics is the Architecture of Death Best Andreas Maria Jacobs w: http://www.nictoglobe.com w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl On Mar 31, 2011, at 3:37, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote: Its hard to stand on either side of the fence on these issues. Again, saying that we knew that one thing would prevail over another is easy to state after the fact. If nothing had been done, we would be complaining that the world is just standing there watching as a madman slaughters his constituents. Now that something has been done, we complain that its all for commercial interests. Its a no win situation. On Mar 30, 2011 9:17 PM, Andreas Maria Jacobs aj...@xs4all.nl wrote: Mmm I mean it, we knew beforehand that the military commercial interests prevail the humanitarian and also knew the enormous amounts of money involved Think about Afghanistan, Vietnam, The Black Water affair, the privatisation of the American - and in the near future European - prison system , Fort Europe, which is excesevely handed over to private security companies, the US base in Bahrain, the ownership of more than halve of Londons real estate by the dreadful Saudis etc etc We knew and when we did not we were ignorant Ignorance is a Crime Andreas Maria Jacobs w: http://www.nictoglobe.com w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl On Mar 31, 2011, at 2:39, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote: That's easy to say now. On Mar 30, 2011 8:36 PM, Andreas Maria Jacobs aj...@xs4all.nl wrote: The same Andreas Maria Jacobs w: http://www.nictoglobe.com w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl On Mar 31, 2011, at 2:30, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote: And if no one had intervened... I wonder what these same people would be saying. On Mar 30, 2011 8:10 PM, Joel Weishaus weish...@pdx.edu wrote: I think we can say that any military adventure the US government (and others) embark on is less for humanitarian reasons, or democacy, and more for corporate profits. Only one thing has changed since the days of the Golden Hoard: the Khan family was more honest in its objectives. -Joel - Original Message - From: Andreas Maria Jacobs To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business long From Asia Times by Pepe Escobar In English but should not be a problem for you well educated elitists; - ) http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MC30Ak01.html?sms_ss=emailat_xt=4d93ac6f72f55db1%2C0 --- Andreas Maria Jacobs w: http://www.nictoglobe.com w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl --- --- --- - ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] I don't know what to think anymore
The days when an artist could rely on ACE for an income are long gone. 1998/99 was the key period, when major restructuring of ACE (at the behest of the new Labour government) meant that direct funding to artists was replaced by a focus on funding institutions and regional areas. The closing off of the tap for direct funding to artists from the National Lottery, specifically the closure of the Film Councils support for experimental practice, was the single most negative hit the new media arts sector has taken over the past decades (along with the closure of the Film and Video unit of ACE). Since that time it hasn't been possible for an artist to make a living from ACE supported activities. Artists that had benefitted from ACE's prior largesse (happily I was amongst them) had to find alternate means to support their work. That doesn't make what happened yesterday any more palatable. The cuts made are amongst the most profound that I can remember and many worthy groups and companies have suffered. This has happened as the direct result of government policy. ACE had little choice when its budget was cut by a third - the big question was whether to cut everyone a little or a few a lot. They went for the latter option. There are arguments for and against either option. Understanding why this has happened doesn't dull the pain for those that have lost out. Best Simon On 30/03/2011 23:09, Antonio Roberts anto...@hellocatfood.com wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hellocatfood/5575389294/ After reading the Arts Council's funding decisions today I'm really not sure how I feel about them and the whole art world in general. I should just give up now. An artists' income is largely dependent on the government/Arts Council and they currently are more keen on cutting funding and trying to convince us that it'll be great challenge for our creativity. What a load of crap. A challenge is good, unemployment is not. What a crap day ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Simon Biggs si...@littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ s.bi...@eca.ac.uk http://www.elmcip.net/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business long
On 31/03/11 02:37, Pall Thayer wrote: Its hard to stand on either side of the fence on these issues. Again, saying that we knew that one thing would prevail over another is easy to state after the fact. If nothing had been done, we would be complaining that the world is just standing there watching as a madman slaughters his constituents. Now that something has been done, we complain that its all for commercial interests. Its a no win situation. You are evaluating this politically, though. ;-) The important thing about opposing intervention is not the political effects, it's how it makes us *feel*. From that point of view opposing intervention is win-win, as we get to feel morally superior either way. It's the politics of affect, in which we judge politicians not for their actions but for what we imagine to be in their hearts, and in which we see the world as a source of opportunities to emote rather than moral decisions to be faced. - Rob. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] I don't know what to think anymore
Hi Simon Antonio, Yesterday was a significant day. A big shift politically, where the ideology of a neo-liberalist agenda successfully disarmed half of the media art world in the UK. Some excellent groups who were grass roots, doing amazing stuff were attacked. I can't even bring myself to mention their names at present, because it feels too raw. Already in the UK, artist groups have been just about surviving on minimal amounts of income. This recent attack has lessened their power to make 'real' change in the world. Currently, my toleration for those who say that 'if you are arts council funded you are not radical', as they themselves are about as socially engaged as a wet muppet - all mouth no trousers. There has been some excellent art collectives and groups receiving revenue in the UK from Arts Council funding, whilst actively changing things via their own, critical approaches. What has happened is, those who are already supported by and part of, an established elite have gained even more power. If we thought that things were bad before, get ready for next wave of corporatized zombie led manouvering, implementations of conservative ideologies flooding the art world. Already the established art world was propping up useless and culturally vapid artists via protocols, defined from top-down initiatives. It was already hard to convince galleries and art magazines to allow media context and its practice to be seen in their frameworks, now they have yet another excuse to stay in the same state of denial, and escape the responsibility of having an awareness of work more relevant than their own limited remits, let alone a small glimmer of imagination. marc. wishing you well. The days when an artist could rely on ACE for an income are long gone. 1998/99 was the key period, when major restructuring of ACE (at the behest of the new Labour government) meant that direct funding to artists was replaced by a focus on funding institutions and regional areas. The closing off of the tap for direct funding to artists from the National Lottery, specifically the closure of the Film Councils support for experimental practice, was the single most negative hit the new media arts sector has taken over the past decades (along with the closure of the Film and Video unit of ACE). Since that time it hasn't been possible for an artist to make a living from ACE supported activities. Artists that had benefitted from ACE's prior largesse (happily I was amongst them) had to find alternate means to support their work. That doesn't make what happened yesterday any more palatable. The cuts made are amongst the most profound that I can remember and many worthy groups and companies have suffered. This has happened as the direct result of government policy. ACE had little choice when its budget was cut by a third - the big question was whether to cut everyone a little or a few a lot. They went for the latter option. There are arguments for and against either option. Understanding why this has happened doesn't dull the pain for those that have lost out. Best Simon On 30/03/2011 23:09, Antonio Roberts anto...@hellocatfood.com wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hellocatfood/5575389294/ After reading the Arts Council's funding decisions today I'm really not sure how I feel about them and the whole art world in general. I should just give up now. An artists' income is largely dependent on the government/Arts Council and they currently are more keen on cutting funding and trying to convince us that it'll be great challenge for our creativity. What a load of crap. A challenge is good, unemployment is not. What a crap day ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Simon Biggs si...@littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ s.bi...@eca.ac.uk http://www.elmcip.net/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Reminder: Workshop: Moving in extended spaces - CALL FOR PARTICIPANTS
A CALL FOR PARTICIPANTS 12-13 April Moving in extended spaces I’m looking for 3-4 people with interest of working with projections and body-space awareness. Preferably I would like to work with people who have movement background (dance, physical theatre, Mime and alike) The workshop is built to explore our perception, sensors and movement in spaces that combines projections of another site which has other performers. We will explore the tensions between the projection that functions as an object or as part of the scenography and as spatial bridge which creates a kind of an extension of the room. The workshop addresses the developing movement in performance to create a link or an extension of space using projections and a live streaming of a different site with other performers. It aims to find a realization and to deepen an understanding of relations among the two spaces and the bodies in each space. During the first day we will focus more on learning a common body-movement-space3 language Starting from a movement in one space and expanding to others. The second day will take the learning further leaving space for experimentation and bring in the influence, knowledge, inspirations and aspirations of the participants. . Participants are required to be available for 12th of April, 10:30am-6pm 13th of April, 10am-6.30pm There is no fee for taking part in the workshop. Deadline for applications is 7th of April. Please write in short why would you like to attend this workshop and how would you like to contribute the exploration. For further information please contact Hedva Hedva_joy(at)yahoo (dot) com 07502287312 The workshop will take place at: Furtherfield Unit A2 Arena Design Centre 71 Ashfield Road London N4 1NY www.furtherfield.org I’m a performance practitioner who create both online and offline work. I explore performance/participants relationships and the way digital technology affects these relationships. I graduated MA Advanced Theatre Practice from Central School of Speech and Drama. I have presented my research in various performance conferences and events like TaPRA 2010 and DRHA 2010, Thursday Club in Goldsmith University. I performed in venues like A-Foundation in Liverpool, Shunt in London, Poly centre in Falmouth, HTTP studio on London and in site specific productions such as “HALL” by 19;29 in the city hall of Harnigay borough in London and small performances in The Oubliette Arthouse and Derive Lab. www.hedvastheatre.com ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Quadrocopters juggle balls cooperatively, mesmerize with their lethal accuracy (video)
On 29/03/11 22:14, manik wrote: - Original Message - From: Simon Mclennan mitjafash...@hotmail.com Yes, I imagined a scenario of the copter throwing a grenade back at a combatant and him tossing it back and so on backwards and forwards a nice game of catch... ...IT'S MORE HITBIT THAN 'CATCH'...FIRST TWO EXPRESSIONS CORRESPONDING TO GAME WE'VE SEEN IN VIDEO...*CATCH*IS MORE BASEBALL OR FOOTBALL...OR SOMETHING EVEN WORST...AND CHOPPER[SUDDENLY]...AND GRENADE INSTEAD ATOMIC BOMB... http://www.suasnews.com/2011/03/4851/mit-slam-quad-using-kinect/ MIT drone makes a map of a room in real time using an X Box Kinect and is able to navigate through it. All calculations performed on board the multicopter. (This reminded me of Alan's point clouds as well as of MANIK's video game metaphor.) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Open Source Culture
http://robmyers.org/weblog/2011/03/open-source-culture/ I had a great time talking about Open Source Culture with Marc Garrett on Furtherfield's Resonance FM radio show last night. Here's a mini Open Source Culture reader for anyone who wants to find out more about this area: * Culture is Public Because Meaning Is Sal Randolph http://salrandolph.com/text/9/culture-is-public-because-meaning-is * In Their Own Words Joy Garnett http://www.nyfa.org/level3.asp?id=349fid=6sid=17 * Open Source and Collective Art Practice Saul Albert http://twenteenthcentury.com/saul/os.htm * Open Source Art Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/writings/openSourceArt/openSourceArt-phillips.pdf * Open Source Art Again Rob Myers https://github.com/robmyers/opensourceart/ (Original, shorter version) http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/09/20/open-source-art-again/ * Why Art Should Be Free Jon Ippolito http://three.org/ippolito/writing/whyartshouldbefree/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] FYI - 10 Internet Rights and Principles launched today
This is certainly of interest to all of us, and many of us will already know of or already be part of this global initiative. The 10 Internet Rights and Principles are launched today by the Internet Governance Forum Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles at the 2nd expert meeting in Sweden 30-31 March on human rights and the Internet, co-organized by the Swedish Ministry for Foreign Affairs and the UN Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Opinion and Expression Mr Frank La Rue. The 10 Internet Rights and Principles is one outcome of the initiative undertaken by the IGF Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles to develop a comprehensive Charter of Human Rights and Principles for the Internet. IRP coalition website is at: http://internetrightsandprinciples.org Dedicated website to its Charter of Human Rights and Principles for the Internet and related 10 Rights and Principles for Internet governance is at: http://irpcharter.org/ Different language versions of the 10 Internet Rights and Principles are already available, and more are expected: English (original) - http://internetrightsandprinciples.org/node/397 Italian - http://internetrightsandprinciples.org/node/398 Filipino - http://internetrightsandprinciples.org/node/401 French - http://internetrightsandprinciples.org/node/400 Portuguese - http://internetrightsandprinciples.org/node/402 Spanish - http://internetrightsandprinciples.org/node/403 Swahili - http://internetrightsandprinciples.org/node/404 Swedish - http://internetrightsandprinciples.org/node/399 Thai - http://internetrightsandprinciples.org/node/405 Please disseminate. You can, inter alia, do this via twitter. Your own message is obviously preferable, but here are some ready to send tweets that you might want to use: 10 Rights and Principles to govern the #Internet launched today #fxinternet. Check them out bit.ly/fglRas or 10 Rights and Principles for an Internet governance based on human rights and social justice bit.ly/fglRas #fxinternet In French: 10 Droits et Principes pour une gouvernance d'Internet fondée sur les droits de l'homme et la justice sociale bit.ly/fglRas #fxinternet ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] me and more about work
after 3 or 4 or more hours at work i'm allowed a half hour unpaid break. if i've been lazy before leaving home for work then i need to spend my break time in the supermarket next door to the factory hunting for food (that won't poison me through sloppy preparation). after working on a machine in the factory it seems that people in the supermarket, especially the tills, move in slow motion. i'm standing there watching the man pull money out of his wallet in slow motion. it seems to take 5 minutes. i could have made 4 and a half buckets in that time. speed the fuck up. move goddam you. i don't want to spend my break stood in this queue. i'm angry. the checkout girl looks young and i don't want to intimidate her. she spends an age fiddling about with the cash drawer. what is she doing? i feel i'll intimidate through my impatience and feeling alive and pumped up ready to move right now. move. then i go back to the factory and sit in the mess room in silence because its rare for people to speak to each other in there and almost everyone sits alone to a table. then i go back to work for another 3 or 4 hours. if i'm lucky i'm on a machine i can walk away from if i need the toilet. if i'm lucky i can just stop the machine without it fucking up. i'll work in silence on automatic alone in my head listening to music letting it transport me away from the factory. then i'll go home and it'll be half ten at night if i'm on lates like i am this week. i'll be home and speak to my girlfriend cuddle and kiss and then sit at my computer and write code. my girlfriend is usually tired at this time and it's not long before she goes to bed. i write code til two am. debugging. can't find the problem. i don't know the solution yet. it's a tough one. -- _ : http://jwm-art.net/ -audio/image/text/code/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] me and more about work
I admire your courage James! Love Andreas -- w: http://nictoglobe.com w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl w: http://nictoglobe.com/new/agam e: aj...@xs4all.nl e: a.andr...@nictoglobe.com On Thu, March 31, 2011 14:16, James Morris wrote: after 3 or 4 or more hours at work i'm allowed a half hour unpaid break. if i've been lazy before leaving home for work then i need to spend my break time in the supermarket next door to the factory hunting for food (that won't poison me through sloppy preparation). after working on a machine in the factory it seems that people in the supermarket, especially the tills, move in slow motion. i'm standing there watching the man pull money out of his wallet in slow motion. it seems to take 5 minutes. i could have made 4 and a half buckets in that time. speed the fuck up. move goddam you. i don't want to spend my break stood in this queue. i'm angry. the checkout girl looks young and i don't want to intimidate her. she spends an age fiddling about with the cash drawer. what is she doing? i feel i'll intimidate through my impatience and feeling alive and pumped up ready to move right now. move. then i go back to the factory and sit in the mess room in silence because its rare for people to speak to each other in there and almost everyone sits alone to a table. then i go back to work for another 3 or 4 hours. if i'm lucky i'm on a machine i can walk away from if i need the toilet. if i'm lucky i can just stop the machine without it fucking up. i'll work in silence on automatic alone in my head listening to music letting it transport me away from the factory. then i'll go home and it'll be half ten at night if i'm on lates like i am this week. i'll be home and speak to my girlfriend cuddle and kiss and then sit at my computer and write code. my girlfriend is usually tired at this time and it's not long before she goes to bed. i write code til two am. debugging. can't find the problem. i don't know the solution yet. it's a tough one. -- _ : http://jwm-art.net/ -audio/image/text/code/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Open Source Culture
On 03/31/2011 11:54 AM, Rob Myers wrote: http://robmyers.org/weblog/2011/03/open-source-culture/ Here's a mini Open Source Culture reader for anyone who wants to find out more about this area: Fixed links (thanks Ale!): https://github.com/robmyers/open_source_art/ http://three.org/ippolito/writing/why_art_should_be_free/ - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Tristan Perich, 1-bit Symphony
I'm listening to this very cool cd right now. It's not really a cd as such. It's a jewel case with electronics glued inside. You plug headphones or speakers into the side of it and flip the on switch and then sit back and listen. The music is really very good and considering the limited electronics involved, it's very impressive. And to top it all off, the cd sleeve contains all of the code used to program the microchip driving the album. Very nice touch. http://www.1bitsymphony.com/ -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] I don't know what to think anymore
Marc; I think what's happening was inevitable, as wealth and power becomes concentrated into a few hands, the population grows, and resources become scarce. So perhaps its time for artists to drop out of the art scene and not feed the monster. Not a bad thing, as it can mean a rebirth of work over which the Art Market has no power. -Joel - Original Message - From: marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] I don't know what to think anymore Hi Simon Antonio, Yesterday was a significant day. A big shift politically, where the ideology of a neo-liberalist agenda successfully disarmed half of the media art world in the UK. Some excellent groups who were grass roots, doing amazing stuff were attacked. I can't even bring myself to mention their names at present, because it feels too raw. Already in the UK, artist groups have been just about surviving on minimal amounts of income. This recent attack has lessened their power to make 'real' change in the world. Currently, my toleration for those who say that 'if you are arts council funded you are not radical', as they themselves are about as socially engaged as a wet muppet - all mouth no trousers. There has been some excellent art collectives and groups receiving revenue in the UK from Arts Council funding, whilst actively changing things via their own, critical approaches. What has happened is, those who are already supported by and part of, an established elite have gained even more power. If we thought that things were bad before, get ready for next wave of corporatized zombie led manouvering, implementations of conservative ideologies flooding the art world. Already the established art world was propping up useless and culturally vapid artists via protocols, defined from top-down initiatives. It was already hard to convince galleries and art magazines to allow media context and its practice to be seen in their frameworks, now they have yet another excuse to stay in the same state of denial, and escape the responsibility of having an awareness of work more relevant than their own limited remits, let alone a small glimmer of imagination. marc. wishing you well. The days when an artist could rely on ACE for an income are long gone. 1998/99 was the key period, when major restructuring of ACE (at the behest of the new Labour government) meant that direct funding to artists was replaced by a focus on funding institutions and regional areas. The closing off of the tap for direct funding to artists from the National Lottery, specifically the closure of the Film Councils support for experimental practice, was the single most negative hit the new media arts sector has taken over the past decades (along with the closure of the Film and Video unit of ACE). Since that time it hasn't been possible for an artist to make a living from ACE supported activities. Artists that had benefitted from ACE's prior largesse (happily I was amongst them) had to find alternate means to support their work. That doesn't make what happened yesterday any more palatable. The cuts made are amongst the most profound that I can remember and many worthy groups and companies have suffered. This has happened as the direct result of government policy. ACE had little choice when its budget was cut by a third - the big question was whether to cut everyone a little or a few a lot. They went for the latter option. There are arguments for and against either option. Understanding why this has happened doesn't dull the pain for those that have lost out. Best Simon On 30/03/2011 23:09, Antonio Roberts anto...@hellocatfood.com wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hellocatfood/5575389294/ After reading the Arts Council's funding decisions today I'm really not sure how I feel about them and the whole art world in general. I should just give up now. An artists' income is largely dependent on the government/Arts Council and they currently are more keen on cutting funding and trying to convince us that it'll be great challenge for our creativity. What a load of crap. A challenge is good, unemployment is not. What a crap day ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Simon Biggs si...@littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ s.bi...@eca.ac.uk http://www.elmcip.net/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org
Re: [NetBehaviour] I don't know what to think anymore
So, should we shut down furtherfield on-line projects and the gallery? marc Marc; I think what's happening was inevitable, as wealth and power becomes concentrated into a few hands, the population grows, and resources become scarce. So perhaps its time for artists to drop out of the art scene and not feed the monster. Not a bad thing, as it can mean a rebirth of work over which the Art Market has no power. -Joel - Original Message - From: marc garrettmarc.garr...@furtherfield.org To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] I don't know what to think anymore Hi Simon Antonio, Yesterday was a significant day. A big shift politically, where the ideology of a neo-liberalist agenda successfully disarmed half of the media art world in the UK. Some excellent groups who were grass roots, doing amazing stuff were attacked. I can't even bring myself to mention their names at present, because it feels too raw. Already in the UK, artist groups have been just about surviving on minimal amounts of income. This recent attack has lessened their power to make 'real' change in the world. Currently, my toleration for those who say that 'if you are arts council funded you are not radical', as they themselves are about as socially engaged as a wet muppet - all mouth no trousers. There has been some excellent art collectives and groups receiving revenue in the UK from Arts Council funding, whilst actively changing things via their own, critical approaches. What has happened is, those who are already supported by and part of, an established elite have gained even more power. If we thought that things were bad before, get ready for next wave of corporatized zombie led manouvering, implementations of conservative ideologies flooding the art world. Already the established art world was propping up useless and culturally vapid artists via protocols, defined from top-down initiatives. It was already hard to convince galleries and art magazines to allow media context and its practice to be seen in their frameworks, now they have yet another excuse to stay in the same state of denial, and escape the responsibility of having an awareness of work more relevant than their own limited remits, let alone a small glimmer of imagination. marc. wishing you well. The days when an artist could rely on ACE for an income are long gone. 1998/99 was the key period, when major restructuring of ACE (at the behest of the new Labour government) meant that direct funding to artists was replaced by a focus on funding institutions and regional areas. The closing off of the tap for direct funding to artists from the National Lottery, specifically the closure of the Film Councils support for experimental practice, was the single most negative hit the new media arts sector has taken over the past decades (along with the closure of the Film and Video unit of ACE). Since that time it hasn't been possible for an artist to make a living from ACE supported activities. Artists that had benefitted from ACE's prior largesse (happily I was amongst them) had to find alternate means to support their work. That doesn't make what happened yesterday any more palatable. The cuts made are amongst the most profound that I can remember and many worthy groups and companies have suffered. This has happened as the direct result of government policy. ACE had little choice when its budget was cut by a third - the big question was whether to cut everyone a little or a few a lot. They went for the latter option. There are arguments for and against either option. Understanding why this has happened doesn't dull the pain for those that have lost out. Best Simon On 30/03/2011 23:09, Antonio Robertsanto...@hellocatfood.com wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hellocatfood/5575389294/ After reading the Arts Council's funding decisions today I'm really not sure how I feel about them and the whole art world in general. I should just give up now. An artists' income is largely dependent on the government/Arts Council and they currently are more keen on cutting funding and trying to convince us that it'll be great challenge for our creativity. What a load of crap. A challenge is good, unemployment is not. What a crap day ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Simon Biggs si...@littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ s.bi...@eca.ac.uk http://www.elmcip.net/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/
Re: [NetBehaviour] I don't know what to think anymore
Not talking about Furtherfield, Marc. Unless you are part of the Wall Street propelled Art Market. -Joel - Original Message - From: marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] I don't know what to think anymore So, should we shut down furtherfield on-line projects and the gallery? marc Marc; I think what's happening was inevitable, as wealth and power becomes concentrated into a few hands, the population grows, and resources become scarce. So perhaps its time for artists to drop out of the art scene and not feed the monster. Not a bad thing, as it can mean a rebirth of work over which the Art Market has no power. -Joel - Original Message - From: marc garrettmarc.garr...@furtherfield.org To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] I don't know what to think anymore Hi Simon Antonio, Yesterday was a significant day. A big shift politically, where the ideology of a neo-liberalist agenda successfully disarmed half of the media art world in the UK. Some excellent groups who were grass roots, doing amazing stuff were attacked. I can't even bring myself to mention their names at present, because it feels too raw. Already in the UK, artist groups have been just about surviving on minimal amounts of income. This recent attack has lessened their power to make 'real' change in the world. Currently, my toleration for those who say that 'if you are arts council funded you are not radical', as they themselves are about as socially engaged as a wet muppet - all mouth no trousers. There has been some excellent art collectives and groups receiving revenue in the UK from Arts Council funding, whilst actively changing things via their own, critical approaches. What has happened is, those who are already supported by and part of, an established elite have gained even more power. If we thought that things were bad before, get ready for next wave of corporatized zombie led manouvering, implementations of conservative ideologies flooding the art world. Already the established art world was propping up useless and culturally vapid artists via protocols, defined from top-down initiatives. It was already hard to convince galleries and art magazines to allow media context and its practice to be seen in their frameworks, now they have yet another excuse to stay in the same state of denial, and escape the responsibility of having an awareness of work more relevant than their own limited remits, let alone a small glimmer of imagination. marc. wishing you well. The days when an artist could rely on ACE for an income are long gone. 1998/99 was the key period, when major restructuring of ACE (at the behest of the new Labour government) meant that direct funding to artists was replaced by a focus on funding institutions and regional areas. The closing off of the tap for direct funding to artists from the National Lottery, specifically the closure of the Film Councils support for experimental practice, was the single most negative hit the new media arts sector has taken over the past decades (along with the closure of the Film and Video unit of ACE). Since that time it hasn't been possible for an artist to make a living from ACE supported activities. Artists that had benefitted from ACE's prior largesse (happily I was amongst them) had to find alternate means to support their work. That doesn't make what happened yesterday any more palatable. The cuts made are amongst the most profound that I can remember and many worthy groups and companies have suffered. This has happened as the direct result of government policy. ACE had little choice when its budget was cut by a third - the big question was whether to cut everyone a little or a few a lot. They went for the latter option. There are arguments for and against either option. Understanding why this has happened doesn't dull the pain for those that have lost out. Best Simon On 30/03/2011 23:09, Antonio Robertsanto...@hellocatfood.com wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hellocatfood/5575389294/ After reading the Arts Council's funding decisions today I'm really not sure how I feel about them and the whole art world in general. I should just give up now. An artists' income is largely dependent on the government/Arts Council and they currently are more keen on cutting funding and trying to convince us that it'll be great challenge for our creativity. What a load of crap. A challenge is good, unemployment is not. What a crap day
Re: [NetBehaviour] I don't know what to think anymore
Aha... Get your drift ;-) marc Not talking about Furtherfield, Marc. Unless you are part of the Wall Street propelled Art Market. -Joel - Original Message - From: marc garrettmarc.garr...@furtherfield.org To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] I don't know what to think anymore So, should we shut down furtherfield on-line projects and the gallery? marc Marc; I think what's happening was inevitable, as wealth and power becomes concentrated into a few hands, the population grows, and resources become scarce. So perhaps its time for artists to drop out of the art scene and not feed the monster. Not a bad thing, as it can mean a rebirth of work over which the Art Market has no power. -Joel - Original Message - From: marc garrettmarc.garr...@furtherfield.org To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] I don't know what to think anymore Hi Simon Antonio, Yesterday was a significant day. A big shift politically, where the ideology of a neo-liberalist agenda successfully disarmed half of the media art world in the UK. Some excellent groups who were grass roots, doing amazing stuff were attacked. I can't even bring myself to mention their names at present, because it feels too raw. Already in the UK, artist groups have been just about surviving on minimal amounts of income. This recent attack has lessened their power to make 'real' change in the world. Currently, my toleration for those who say that 'if you are arts council funded you are not radical', as they themselves are about as socially engaged as a wet muppet - all mouth no trousers. There has been some excellent art collectives and groups receiving revenue in the UK from Arts Council funding, whilst actively changing things via their own, critical approaches. What has happened is, those who are already supported by and part of, an established elite have gained even more power. If we thought that things were bad before, get ready for next wave of corporatized zombie led manouvering, implementations of conservative ideologies flooding the art world. Already the established art world was propping up useless and culturally vapid artists via protocols, defined from top-down initiatives. It was already hard to convince galleries and art magazines to allow media context and its practice to be seen in their frameworks, now they have yet another excuse to stay in the same state of denial, and escape the responsibility of having an awareness of work more relevant than their own limited remits, let alone a small glimmer of imagination. marc. wishing you well. The days when an artist could rely on ACE for an income are long gone. 1998/99 was the key period, when major restructuring of ACE (at the behest of the new Labour government) meant that direct funding to artists was replaced by a focus on funding institutions and regional areas. The closing off of the tap for direct funding to artists from the National Lottery, specifically the closure of the Film Councils support for experimental practice, was the single most negative hit the new media arts sector has taken over the past decades (along with the closure of the Film and Video unit of ACE). Since that time it hasn't been possible for an artist to make a living from ACE supported activities. Artists that had benefitted from ACE's prior largesse (happily I was amongst them) had to find alternate means to support their work. That doesn't make what happened yesterday any more palatable. The cuts made are amongst the most profound that I can remember and many worthy groups and companies have suffered. This has happened as the direct result of government policy. ACE had little choice when its budget was cut by a third - the big question was whether to cut everyone a little or a few a lot. They went for the latter option. There are arguments for and against either option. Understanding why this has happened doesn't dull the pain for those that have lost out. Best Simon On 30/03/2011 23:09, Antonio Robertsanto...@hellocatfood.com wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hellocatfood/5575389294/ After reading the Arts Council's funding decisions today I'm really not sure how I feel about them and the whole art world in general. I should just give up now. An artists' income is largely dependent on the government/Arts Council and they currently are more keen on cutting funding and trying to convince us that it'll be great challenge for our creativity.
Re: [NetBehaviour] I don't know what to think anymore
On 31/03/11 16:05, marc garrett wrote: So, should we shut down furtherfield on-line projects and the gallery? o_O - Rob. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] I don't know what to think anymore
... when things get worst, humans are able to move to higher levels of equilibrium ... and not feed the monster. How many out there? [quote] get ready for next wave of corporatized zombie led manouvering, implementations of conservative ideologies flooding the art world [/quote] (Mr. Mark, that's powerful) i would take this sentence and build a reactive world around it. another burned pixel, r On 31/03/2011 16:59, Joel Weishaus wrote: Marc; I think what's happening was inevitable, as wealth and power becomes concentrated into a few hands, the population grows, and resources become scarce. So perhaps its time for artists to drop out of the art scene and not feed the monster. Not a bad thing, as it can mean a rebirth of work over which the Art Market has no power. -Joel - Original Message - From: marc garrettmarc.garr...@furtherfield.org To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] I don't know what to think anymore Hi Simon Antonio, Yesterday was a significant day. A big shift politically, where the ideology of a neo-liberalist agenda successfully disarmed half of the media art world in the UK. Some excellent groups who were grass roots, doing amazing stuff were attacked. I can't even bring myself to mention their names at present, because it feels too raw. Already in the UK, artist groups have been just about surviving on minimal amounts of income. This recent attack has lessened their power to make 'real' change in the world. Currently, my toleration for those who say that 'if you are arts council funded you are not radical', as they themselves are about as socially engaged as a wet muppet - all mouth no trousers. There has been some excellent art collectives and groups receiving revenue in the UK from Arts Council funding, whilst actively changing things via their own, critical approaches. What has happened is, those who are already supported by and part of, an established elite have gained even more power. If we thought that things were bad before, get ready for next wave of corporatized zombie led manouvering, implementations of conservative ideologies flooding the art world. Already the established art world was propping up useless and culturally vapid artists via protocols, defined from top-down initiatives. It was already hard to convince galleries and art magazines to allow media context and its practice to be seen in their frameworks, now they have yet another excuse to stay in the same state of denial, and escape the responsibility of having an awareness of work more relevant than their own limited remits, let alone a small glimmer of imagination. marc. wishing you well. The days when an artist could rely on ACE for an income are long gone. 1998/99 was the key period, when major restructuring of ACE (at the behest of the new Labour government) meant that direct funding to artists was replaced by a focus on funding institutions and regional areas. The closing off of the tap for direct funding to artists from the National Lottery, specifically the closure of the Film Councils support for experimental practice, was the single most negative hit the new media arts sector has taken over the past decades (along with the closure of the Film and Video unit of ACE). Since that time it hasn't been possible for an artist to make a living from ACE supported activities. Artists that had benefitted from ACE's prior largesse (happily I was amongst them) had to find alternate means to support their work. That doesn't make what happened yesterday any more palatable. The cuts made are amongst the most profound that I can remember and many worthy groups and companies have suffered. This has happened as the direct result of government policy. ACE had little choice when its budget was cut by a third - the big question was whether to cut everyone a little or a few a lot. They went for the latter option. There are arguments for and against either option. Understanding why this has happened doesn't dull the pain for those that have lost out. Best Simon On 30/03/2011 23:09, Antonio Robertsanto...@hellocatfood.com wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hellocatfood/5575389294/ After reading the Arts Council's funding decisions today I'm really not sure how I feel about them and the whole art world in general. I should just give up now. An artists' income is largely dependent on the government/Arts Council and they currently are more keen on cutting funding and trying to convince us that it'll be great challenge for our creativity. What a load of crap. A challenge is good, unemployment is not. What a crap day ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org
[NetBehaviour] Podcast mp3 Jake Harries Felicie d'Estienne d'Orves on Resonance FM.
Podcast mp3 Download of interview with Jake Harries Felicie d'Estienne d'Orves on Resonance FM. Jake Harries Felicie d'Estienne d'Orves are interviewed live on Resonance FM this week by Marc Garrett, Irini Papdimitriou Jonathan Munro. Jake is Digital Arts Programme Manager at open access media lab, Access Space, and the current curator of the LOSS (Linux Open Source Sound) a website dedicated to music made with FLOSS. Felicie, a French installation artist who explores the meaning and impact of light through her work. She uses light and sound technologies to create a mysterious art of beauty and power, challenging the boundaries of her materials and our own perceptions of them. http://www.furtherfield.org/radio/160311-jake-harries-felicie-destienne-dorves This critically acclaimed broadcast on Resonance FM, is every Wednesday evening at 7-8pm, a series of hour long live interviews with people working at the edge of contemporary practices in art, technology social change; discussing events and controversies, exhibitions, artworks and their social contexts. Also showcasing music and noise, providing a rolling lineup of experimental creative adventures for your amusement. Regularly joined by hosts Marc Garrett, Ruth Catlow, Irini Papdimitriou, Jonathan Munro Charlotte Frost. http://www.furtherfield.org/programmes/radio Also showcasing music and noise, providing a rolling lineup of experimental creative adventures for your amusement. http://www.furtherfield.org http://resonancefm.com ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] I don't know what to think anymore
just a little reminder of how things probably developed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3HyRtdu1o0 On 31 Mar 2011, at 16:38, renato wrote: ... when things get worst, humans are able to move to higher levels of equilibrium ... and not feed the monster. How many out there? [quote] get ready for next wave of corporatized zombie led manouvering, implementations of conservative ideologies flooding the art world [/quote] (Mr. Mark, that's powerful) i would take this sentence and build a reactive world around it. another burned pixel, r On 31/03/2011 16:59, Joel Weishaus wrote: Marc; I think what's happening was inevitable, as wealth and power becomes concentrated into a few hands, the population grows, and resources become scarce. So perhaps its time for artists to drop out of the art scene and not feed the monster. Not a bad thing, as it can mean a rebirth of work over which the Art Market has no power. -Joel - Original Message - From: marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] I don't know what to think anymore Hi Simon Antonio, Yesterday was a significant day. A big shift politically, where the ideology of a neo-liberalist agenda successfully disarmed half of the media art world in the UK. Some excellent groups who were grass roots, doing amazing stuff were attacked. I can't even bring myself to mention their names at present, because it feels too raw. Already in the UK, artist groups have been just about surviving on minimal amounts of income. This recent attack has lessened their power to make 'real' change in the world. Currently, my toleration for those who say that 'if you are arts council funded you are not radical', as they themselves are about as socially engaged as a wet muppet - all mouth no trousers. There has been some excellent art collectives and groups receiving revenue in the UK from Arts Council funding, whilst actively changing things via their own, critical approaches. What has happened is, those who are already supported by and part of, an established elite have gained even more power. If we thought that things were bad before, get ready for next wave of corporatized zombie led manouvering, implementations of conservative ideologies flooding the art world. Already the established art world was propping up useless and culturally vapid artists via protocols, defined from top-down initiatives. It was already hard to convince galleries and art magazines to allow media context and its practice to be seen in their frameworks, now they have yet another excuse to stay in the same state of denial, and escape the responsibility of having an awareness of work more relevant than their own limited remits, let alone a small glimmer of imagination. marc. wishing you well. The days when an artist could rely on ACE for an income are long gone. 1998/99 was the key period, when major restructuring of ACE (at the behest of the new Labour government) meant that direct funding to artists was replaced by a focus on funding institutions and regional areas. The closing off of the tap for direct funding to artists from the National Lottery, specifically the closure of the Film Councils support for experimental practice, was the single most negative hit the new media arts sector has taken over the past decades (along with the closure of the Film and Video unit of ACE). Since that time it hasn't been possible for an artist to make a living from ACE supported activities. Artists that had benefitted from ACE's prior largesse (happily I was amongst them) had to find alternate means to support their work. That doesn't make what happened yesterday any more palatable. The cuts made are amongst the most profound that I can remember and many worthy groups and companies have suffered. This has happened as the direct result of government policy. ACE had little choice when its budget was cut by a third - the big question was whether to cut everyone a little or a few a lot. They went for the latter option. There are arguments for and against either option. Understanding why this has happened doesn't dull the pain for those that have lost out. Best Simon On 30/03/2011 23:09, Antonio Roberts anto...@hellocatfood.com wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hellocatfood/5575389294/ After reading the Arts Council's funding decisions today I'm really not sure how I feel about them and the whole art world in general. I should just give up now. An artists' income is largely dependent on the government/Arts Council and they currently are more keen on cutting funding and trying to convince us that it'll be great challenge for our creativity. What a load of crap. A challenge is good, unemployment is not.
Re: [NetBehaviour] I am so fucking confused, is James real? is MANIK real?
The stuff about work is based on my experiences at work. I write from memory obviously and things are omitted and some get mildly exaggerated and it makes me feel a bit better. It tends to always be the bad experiences at work that inspire me to write about the work at the plastic factory. Some jobs simply grate on me but not all of them nor all the time. It takes more courage to earn a living as an artist. Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange -Original Message- From: Andreas Maria Jacobs aj...@xs4all.nl Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:31:27 To: jwm.art@gmail.comjwm.art@gmail.com; NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativitynetbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] I am so fucking confused, is James real? is MANIK real? Hi James I was wondering if - just a mental experiment - you just made your confessional statements up, like in a kind of performative artsy way, and in reality being someone completely else, without your described existential way of life and that Manik are in 'reality' a nice and communicating persons, who are acting out their performative artsy way of exposing their work by overacting it like for instance Laibach et al. do What are our personal feelings worth then? Nothing I think! So the only 'right' way to handle these 'exercises' is to accept it as 'performative communication', which I will do and thereby maintaining respect for both myself and others The picture is something that came up after googling 'slaughtering' as I wanted to be sure that the spelling is correct, as a side effect it connects the image with the works of Herman Nitsch a 'performance artist' from the dark innerrooms of Austria, occupied with the sincere attempt to open up the underlying mechanism of the Fascistoid personality and as a vector towards the problematic nature of human expression Best Andreas Maria Jacobs w: http://www.nictoglobe.com w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl On Mar 31, 2011, at 17:10, jwm.art@gmail.com wrote: What makes you think I'm not real? interesting picture. Thanks James Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange -Original Message- From: Andreas Maria Jacobs aj...@xs4all.nl Sender: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:30:44 To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativitynetbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: [NetBehaviour] I am so fucking confused, is James real? is MANIK real? ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] I am so fucking confused, is James real? is MANIK real?
These words feel accurate here.. Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange -Original Message- From: Andreas Maria Jacobs aj...@xs4all.nl Sender: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:30:44 To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativitynetbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: [NetBehaviour] I am so fucking confused, is James real? is MANIK real? ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business long
If the USA, Britain, France c had been serious about the emancipation of the Libyan people they would have immediately selectively lifted the arms embargo to supply the rebels free of charge or at preferential rates with the weaponry needed to finish the job. The fact that they are prepared to rain down relatively random destruction from the air but even now cannot agree on this elementary step ( for despite all their democratic talk they are shit scared of the self activity of the Arab masses -listen to them on Yemen, for example) shows they, as always, are acting only from self interest cloaked in humanitarian rhetoric. michael --- On Thu, 3/31/11, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote: From: Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business long To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 2:37 AM Its hard to stand on either side of the fence on these issues. Again, saying that we knew that one thing would prevail over another is easy to state after the fact. If nothing had been done, we would be complaining that the world is just standing there watching as a madman slaughters his constituents. Now that something has been done, we complain that its all for commercial interests. Its a no win situation. On Mar 30, 2011 9:17 PM, Andreas Maria Jacobs aj...@xs4all.nl wrote: Mmm I mean it, we knew beforehand that the military commercial interests prevail the humanitarian and also knew the enormous amounts of money involved Think about Afghanistan, Vietnam, The Black Water affair, the privatisation of the American - and in the near future European - prison system , Fort Europe, which is excesevely handed over to private security companies, the US base in Bahrain, the ownership of more than halve of Londons real estate by the dreadful Saudis etc etc We knew and when we did not we were ignorant Ignorance is a Crime Andreas Maria Jacobs w: http://www.nictoglobe.com w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl On Mar 31, 2011, at 2:39, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote: That's easy to say now. On Mar 30, 2011 8:36 PM, Andreas Maria Jacobs aj...@xs4all.nl wrote: The same Andreas Maria Jacobs w: http://www.nictoglobe.com w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl On Mar 31, 2011, at 2:30, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote: And if no one had intervened... I wonder what these same people would be saying. On Mar 30, 2011 8:10 PM, Joel Weishaus weish...@pdx.edu wrote: I think we can say that any military adventure the US government (and others) embark on is less for humanitarian reasons, or democacy, and more for corporate profits. Only one thing has changed since the days of the Golden Hoard: the Khan family was more honest in its objectives. -Joel - Original Message - From: Andreas Maria Jacobs To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business long From Asia Times by Pepe Escobar In English but should not be a problem for you well educated elitists; - ) http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MC30Ak01.html?sms_ss=emailat_xt=4d93ac6f72f55db1%2C0 --- Andreas Maria Jacobs w: http://www.nictoglobe.com w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl --- --- --- - ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] I don't know what to think anymore
In January I was talking with my lecturer about the cuts and the effect they'd have and he said to me that I'm probably in a better position than older artists: I don't have anything (still in studies) so I have nothing to lose, whereas the older generation of artists who may have their own business and/or practice that is reliant on funding have everything to lose. I should state that he wasn't being completely serious with that remark, though there is some truth to it. The unfortunate side is that my/the younger generation of artists will grow up in a (art) world lacking funding and they'll believe that this is just how it is and I'm sure people/organisations will exploit that. Ant On 31 March 2011 17:29, Simon Mclennan mitjafash...@hotmail.com wrote: just a little reminder of how things probably developed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3HyRtdu1o0 On 31 Mar 2011, at 16:38, renato wrote: ... when things get worst, humans are able to move to higher levels of equilibrium ... and not feed the monster. How many out there? [quote] get ready for next wave of corporatized zombie led manouvering, implementations of conservative ideologies flooding the art world [/quote] (Mr. Mark, that's powerful) i would take this sentence and build a reactive world around it. another burned pixel, r On 31/03/2011 16:59, Joel Weishaus wrote: Marc; I think what's happening was inevitable, as wealth and power becomes concentrated into a few hands, the population grows, and resources become scarce. So perhaps its time for artists to drop out of the art scene and not feed the monster. Not a bad thing, as it can mean a rebirth of work over which the Art Market has no power. -Joel - Original Message - From: marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] I don't know what to think anymore Hi Simon Antonio, Yesterday was a significant day. A big shift politically, where the ideology of a neo-liberalist agenda successfully disarmed half of the media art world in the UK. Some excellent groups who were grass roots, doing amazing stuff were attacked. I can't even bring myself to mention their names at present, because it feels too raw. Already in the UK, artist groups have been just about surviving on minimal amounts of income. This recent attack has lessened their power to make 'real' change in the world. Currently, my toleration for those who say that 'if you are arts council funded you are not radical', as they themselves are about as socially engaged as a wet muppet - all mouth no trousers. There has been some excellent art collectives and groups receiving revenue in the UK from Arts Council funding, whilst actively changing things via their own, critical approaches. What has happened is, those who are already supported by and part of, an established elite have gained even more power. If we thought that things were bad before, get ready for next wave of corporatized zombie led manouvering, implementations of conservative ideologies flooding the art world. Already the established art world was propping up useless and culturally vapid artists via protocols, defined from top-down initiatives. It was already hard to convince galleries and art magazines to allow media context and its practice to be seen in their frameworks, now they have yet another excuse to stay in the same state of denial, and escape the responsibility of having an awareness of work more relevant than their own limited remits, let alone a small glimmer of imagination. marc. wishing you well. The days when an artist could rely on ACE for an income are long gone. 1998/99 was the key period, when major restructuring of ACE (at the behest of the new Labour government) meant that direct funding to artists was replaced by a focus on funding institutions and regional areas. The closing off of the tap for direct funding to artists from the National Lottery, specifically the closure of the Film Councils support for experimental practice, was the single most negative hit the new media arts sector has taken over the past decades (along with the closure of the Film and Video unit of ACE). Since that time it hasn't been possible for an artist to make a living from ACE supported activities. Artists that had benefitted from ACE's prior largesse (happily I was amongst them) had to find alternate means to support their work. That doesn't make what happened yesterday any more palatable. The cuts made are amongst the most profound that I can remember and many worthy groups and companies have suffered. This has happened as the direct result of government policy. ACE had little choice when its budget was cut by a third - the big question was whether to cut everyone a little or a few a lot. They
Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business long
On 03/31/2011 08:10 PM, Michael Szpakowski wrote: If the USA, Britain, Francec had been serious about the emancipation of the Libyan people they would have immediately selectively lifted the arms embargo to supply the rebels free of charge or at preferentialrates with the weaponry needed to finish the job. http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/16441 On Wednesday, government officials revealed to Reuters that President Barack Obama has signed a secret order that authorizes covert U.S. government support for rebel forces in Libya seeking to oust their country's leader, Moammar Khadafy. According to four government sources familiar with the matter, Obama signed the order within the last two or three weeks As will be pointed out in the future, Libya is a sovereign state that the West is intervening in. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business long
I am extremely opposed to military intervention. But, all of you who have added to this thread, please tell me what you think should have been done. How should this have been handled? On Mar 31, 2011 3:27 PM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 03/31/2011 08:10 PM, Michael Szpakowski wrote: If the USA, Britain, Francec had been serious about the emancipation of the Libyan people they would have immediately selectively lifted the arms embargo to supply the rebels free of charge or at preferentialrates with the weaponry needed to finish the job. http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/16441 On Wednesday, government officials revealed to Reuters that President Barack Obama has signed a secret order that authorizes covert U.S. government support for rebel forces in Libya seeking to oust their country's leader, Moammar Khadafy. According to four government sources familiar with the matter, Obama signed the order within the last two or three weeks As will be pointed out in the future, Libya is a sovereign state that the West is intervening in. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Open Source Culture
Do you have any more examples of artists writing about open source culture (e.g. the link you posted to Joy Garnett) I ask because a lot of the writing and statistics that I see concerning open source art/creative commons/free culture (including music) tends to be from writers and researchers and I rarely get to read an opinion from a practicing artists Ant On 31 March 2011 13:59, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 03/31/2011 11:54 AM, Rob Myers wrote: http://robmyers.org/weblog/2011/03/open-source-culture/ Here's a mini Open Source Culture reader for anyone who wants to find out more about this area: Fixed links (thanks Ale!): https://github.com/robmyers/open_source_art/ http://three.org/ippolito/writing/why_art_should_be_free/ - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business long
Pall; It's really not important for any of us to speculate on what should have been done, as it changes nothing. What's important, it seems to me, is to see clearly, not military strategy but who's behind it, and who's to benefit from it. Do you think our political leaders care the Libyan People on the same day they're cutting aid to the poor of their own country? It's about power, and (mostly) men with deep inferiority complexes who display their feathers in deadly ways. -Joel - Original Message - From: Pall Thayer To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business long I am extremely opposed to military intervention. But, all of you who have added to this thread, please tell me what you think should have been done. How should this have been handled? On Mar 31, 2011 3:27 PM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 03/31/2011 08:10 PM, Michael Szpakowski wrote: If the USA, Britain, Francec had been serious about the emancipation of the Libyan people they would have immediately selectively lifted the arms embargo to supply the rebels free of charge or at preferentialrates with the weaponry needed to finish the job. http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/16441 On Wednesday, government officials revealed to Reuters that President Barack Obama has signed a secret order that authorizes covert U.S. government support for rebel forces in Libya seeking to oust their country's leader, Moammar Khadafy. According to four government sources familiar with the matter, Obama signed the order within the last two or three weeks As will be pointed out in the future, Libya is a sovereign state that the West is intervening in. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business long
That doesn't answer my question. What do you feel would have been the right thing to do? On Mar 31, 2011 7:23 PM, Joel Weishaus weish...@pdx.edu wrote: Pall; It's really not important for any of us to speculate on what should have been done, as it changes nothing. What's important, it seems to me, is to see clearly, not military strategy but who's behind it, and who's to benefit from it. Do you think our political leaders care the Libyan People on the same day they're cutting aid to the poor of their own country? It's about power, and (mostly) men with deep inferiority complexes who display their feathers in deadly ways. -Joel - Original Message - From: Pall Thayer To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business long I am extremely opposed to military intervention. But, all of you who have added to this thread, please tell me what you think should have been done. How should this have been handled? On Mar 31, 2011 3:27 PM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 03/31/2011 08:10 PM, Michael Szpakowski wrote: If the USA, Britain, Francec had been serious about the emancipation of the Libyan people they would have immediately selectively lifted the arms embargo to supply the rebels free of charge or at preferentialrates with the weaponry needed to finish the job. http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/16441 On Wednesday, government officials revealed to Reuters that President Barack Obama has signed a secret order that authorizes covert U.S. government support for rebel forces in Libya seeking to oust their country's leader, Moammar Khadafy. According to four government sources familiar with the matter, Obama signed the order within the last two or three weeks As will be pointed out in the future, Libya is a sovereign state that the West is intervening in. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business long
I don't think you can criticize what is going on without offering an alternative. On Mar 31, 2011 7:23 PM, Joel Weishaus weish...@pdx.edu wrote: Pall; It's really not important for any of us to speculate on what should have been done, as it changes nothing. What's important, it seems to me, is to see clearly, not military strategy but who's behind it, and who's to benefit from it. Do you think our political leaders care the Libyan People on the same day they're cutting aid to the poor of their own country? It's about power, and (mostly) men with deep inferiority complexes who display their feathers in deadly ways. -Joel - Original Message - From: Pall Thayer To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business long I am extremely opposed to military intervention. But, all of you who have added to this thread, please tell me what you think should have been done. How should this have been handled? On Mar 31, 2011 3:27 PM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 03/31/2011 08:10 PM, Michael Szpakowski wrote: If the USA, Britain, Francec had been serious about the emancipation of the Libyan people they would have immediately selectively lifted the arms embargo to supply the rebels free of charge or at preferentialrates with the weaponry needed to finish the job. http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/16441 On Wednesday, government officials revealed to Reuters that President Barack Obama has signed a secret order that authorizes covert U.S. government support for rebel forces in Libya seeking to oust their country's leader, Moammar Khadafy. According to four government sources familiar with the matter, Obama signed the order within the last two or three weeks As will be pointed out in the future, Libya is a sovereign state that the West is intervening in. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business long
...WE TEACH IN LAST TWO DECADE TO SHUT UP OUR MOUTH WHEN OTHER LIFE DEPEND IN
SOME FAR,FAR PROJECTION FROM WHAT ARE YOU,WE,THEY HAVE TO SAY...FOR THIS
PARTICULAR OCCASION WE MUST BROKE THAT RULE AND SAY THAT OBAMA HARDLY CAN DO
MORE THAN YOU,WE,THEY... TO CHANGE 'UNWROTEN' SCENARIO FOR LIBYA...DOES HE LOOK
TO YOU LIKE MAN WHO'S WORDS WORTH SOMETHING MORE THAN YOURS...?...IN OUR
OPINION [ I O H O ] IT GOES THAT WAY:ARMED KHADAFY'S ENEMY/ HEAP OF
RABBLE,GARBAGE/...HELP THEM TO WIN IN STAGED 'POCKET REVOLUTION'...{/AIR
SUPPORT,PROPAGANDA[SATAN/ISOLATION/OF KHADAFY],INSTRUCTORS-''WAR DOGS'',IN ONE
WORD -NATO-...AFTER THAT-GIVE THEM SOME GIFTS AFTER OVERTHROW OF KHADAFY...THAN
STEP BY STEP...LOYAL *SCROTUM*/ WE DEDICATED THIS WORD TO OUR OVER 4
MILL.J.MORRIS|EX FRIENDS/...OTHER PARTICIPANTS DEPEND ON THEIR ROLE AND
INSIGHT IN MASSACRE HAPPENINGS{DE FACTO DE JURE INTER-FARE WITH ILLEGAL
ATTACK ON SOVEREIGN COUNTRY}WILL BE TERMINATE OR PUT ON SOME STATE BUREAUCRACY
POSITION FROM WHERE THEY COULD BE MANIPULATE...GOAL OF MANIPULATOR'S TO GET
CONTROL OVER OIL/WHICH IS THE BEST QUALITY/ AND CONTROL OVER 2000KM.OF COAST OF
MEDITERRANEAN SEE AND SEE DIRECTIONS...THAT MEAN DOMINATION OVER NORTH AFRICA
AND MIDDLE EAST...WHAT ARE YOUR PROGNOSIS|?|LOOK LIKE|?|...THAT'S THE KEY OF
ALL STORY AND PLACE WHERE OUR RESPONSIBILITY MUST BE LOCKED FOR
PUBLIC...MANIK...APRIL...2011...
- Original Message -
From: Pall Thayer
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business long
I am extremely opposed to military intervention. But, all of you who have
added to this thread, please tell me what you think should have been done. How
should this have been handled?
On Mar 31, 2011 3:27 PM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote:
On 03/31/2011 08:10 PM, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
If the USA, Britain, Francec had been serious about the
emancipation of the Libyan people they would have immediately
selectively lifted the arms embargo to supply the rebels free of
charge or at preferentialrates with the weaponry needed to finish the job.
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/16441
On Wednesday, government officials revealed to Reuters that President
Barack Obama has signed a secret order that authorizes covert U.S.
government support for rebel forces in Libya seeking to oust their
country's leader, Moammar Khadafy.
According to four government sources familiar with the matter, Obama
signed the order within the last two or three weeks
As will be pointed out in the future, Libya is a sovereign state that
the West is intervening in.
- Rob.
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[NetBehaviour] ORIGINAL STATEMENTS XXXI
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Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business long
PALL, PLEASE DON'T BREAK MY FINGERS, I NEED THEM FOR TYPING! I'D TELL YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO KNOW, BUT I SWEAR I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. I WAS MILES AWAY WHEN IT HAPPENED. I HAVE WITNESSES! THE BARTENDER WILL REMEMEBER ME, BECAUSE I DON'T DRINK. THE WAITRESS WILL REMEMBER ME, BECAUSE I DON'T EAT. THE WOMAN I WAS WITH WILL REMEMBER ME, BECAUSE I STARED AT HER ALL EVENING WITHOUT HAVING ANYTHING TO SAY. I REMEMBER THAT OBAMA WAS TALKING ON THE TV, SOMETHING ABOUT ANOTHER WAR. IS THAT NINE OR TEN? NO ONE PAID ATTENTION, AND SOON SOMEONE TURNED ON A BALLGAME. BUT OBAMA WAS THERE TOO, IN SHORTS AND SHOOTING HOOPS! THEN EVERYBODY WALKED OUT, INCLUDING THE BARTENDER AND WAITRESS. THAT'S ALL I REMEMBER. -Joel - Original Message - From: Pall Thayer To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity ; Joel Weishaus Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business long That doesn't answer my question. What do you feel would have been the right thing to do? On Mar 31, 2011 7:23 PM, Joel Weishaus weish...@pdx.edu wrote: Pall; It's really not important for any of us to speculate on what should have been done, as it changes nothing. What's important, it seems to me, is to see clearly, not military strategy but who's behind it, and who's to benefit from it. Do you think our political leaders care the Libyan People on the same day they're cutting aid to the poor of their own country? It's about power, and (mostly) men with deep inferiority complexes who display their feathers in deadly ways. -Joel - Original Message - From: Pall Thayer To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business long I am extremely opposed to military intervention. But, all of you who have added to this thread, please tell me what you think should have been done. How should this have been handled? On Mar 31, 2011 3:27 PM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 03/31/2011 08:10 PM, Michael Szpakowski wrote: If the USA, Britain, Francec had been serious about the emancipation of the Libyan people they would have immediately selectively lifted the arms embargo to supply the rebels free of charge or at preferentialrates with the weaponry needed to finish the job. http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/16441 On Wednesday, government officials revealed to Reuters that President Barack Obama has signed a secret order that authorizes covert U.S. government support for rebel forces in Libya seeking to oust their country's leader, Moammar Khadafy. According to four government sources familiar with the matter, Obama signed the order within the last two or three weeks As will be pointed out in the future, Libya is a sovereign state that the West is intervening in. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] oboe and performance in OpenSim
oboe and performance in OpenSim http://www.alansondheim.org/hautbois.mov structure become bone-flesh-blood bone ^ ( flesh v blood ) |= ( bone ^ flesh ) v ( bone ^ blood ) this is where the gesture comes in ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] and this: solo oboe doubled inverted:
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